00:00:00 ◼ ► those brief moments of time when I listen to the two of you go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► forth and fermented I'm like man I'm not even here anymore and I feel ever so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3">TS</a>]
00:00:09 ◼ ► slightly sad but then I continue to listen to you too going back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/9">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► and I just don't even care anymore cuz I'm entertained as hell we had recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/13">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► received an email as recently as about two hours ago about how we say to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/18">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► other or say actually to you the listener please email anyone other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/24">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► us or please don't send us email etc would you like to talk a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/29">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► the first time since I'm a little surprised about your whole email topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► now this is already kind of like spreading the topic water because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/38">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► started with Marco getting specific feedback and bug reports about overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/43">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► right but in this sort of expanded into like the entire topic of us getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/48">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► email and so this feedback is not about Marco and his bug reports really it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/52">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► really about when we say on the show please don't know about whatever right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/57">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► so I already think this is kind of off-topic missus like it it's related to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/62">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► the discussion but whatever you want to do this not interested in really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/66">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► discussing how marker handle his feedback is more interest in discussing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/69">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► the joke that we do as they please don't send us your email and he says it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/73">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► him feel like that we don't appreciate the listeners that you know a good sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/77">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► here he says he loves us all to show it doesn't make me feel entitled anything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/81">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► know that obviously and I know that it's possible to get back to everybody but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/85">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► what is it impossible to appreciate your position to appreciate the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/89">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► people devote their time to actually tell you what they think to appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/92">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► that people are the are the ones that are attracting sponsors etc to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/95">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► appreciate that a podcast by nit pickers is going to attract nit pickers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/99">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► appreciate that so many people really care and I do appreciate you listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/102">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► the whole email joke the whole annoyances need to find a respectable it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/105">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► strange off-putting very arrogant and makes me kind of angry and makes my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/108">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► engagement feel pathetic and needy it's really not that hard to say a few nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/112">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► words you know this I would say that we don't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► ignoring the fact that most of the time were just joking right because Joe could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► be hurtful to we don't have a blanket ban on an email we don't say a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/123">TS</a>]
00:02:10 ◼ ► prohibition played in fact we encourage tacitly encouraged email by responding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/130">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► to emails on the show and a lot of the follow-up is about things that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/135">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► send us the corrections for things are expansions on topics we take real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/139">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► feedback and real-time follow-up from the chat room from people saying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/143">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► same thing right so it's clear that we're not like nobody ever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/146">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► anything you know for whatever reason we don't say that I mean there's a feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/149">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► form on our site that I made like we have this form on the site that says and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/153">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► feedback if we wanted to not actually receive any feedback we would just take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/159">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► the form now like Marco and providing support he destroyed the feedback so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/163">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► that first of all I was at the premise that the idea that we just are saying we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/169">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► not that's not our messages all we do very frequently though say please don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/173">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► email us about whatever topic and that is specifically focused on whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/178">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► was we were talking about so it's like you know I'm I'm going to tell you about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/183">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► this toaster oven I got please don't send me e-mail about slide toasters the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/188">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► reason and then I by saying I know about so I know slide doses exists I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/192">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► they're different than toaster ovens I am reviewing toaster oven it's right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► there were like and part of that is like the police on email thing is a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/201">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► running gag for many pockets that we've listened to and been on a fast as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/208">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► know I'm not contact me it doesn't make much that it's also kind of a joke like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/211">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► God I don't wanna hear most people it is going to tell you about the slightest is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► right but is very specifically focused on this one thing you did not think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/216">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► please email me ever about anything if you know something cool about new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/220">TS</a>]
00:03:45 ◼ ► DisplayPort specification yes send email about it if you say I have been an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/225">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► Genius for X number of years and this is my experience and yes send us e-mail by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/230">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► of course we want that email query done the show we appreciate it we appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► our listeners so I don't want people listening to think I don't think most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/237">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► people do but it's a person does it really that we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/240">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► want feedback from anybody it's 50% I'm a joke and the other 50% I'm very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/243">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► focused kind of exasperation at any particular type of feedback that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/248">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► expect to get because we said something that we know leaves us open to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/253">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► particular kind of correction and we're trying to say you don't need to send us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/257">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► that correction because we are fully aware that we have either intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/260">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► ignored this thing or whatever right it's it's a wait I use it as a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/263">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► preempt getting a whole bunch of emails that begin with well you know and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/268">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► big argument about something that like I know I think I just said is contentious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► or I know there is something that other people are gonna tell me about what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/279">TS</a>]
00:04:42 ◼ ► just said and I'm just like I don't want to engage the entire discussion right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/282">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► now I don't like it's a way for me to basically try to try to pre-empt getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/286">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► a whole bunch of duplicate emails telling me something I already know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/291">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► that says everybody time and that's not to say it's not annoying if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/295">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► annoyed by it is totally right to be annoyed but it can be annoying I fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/297">TS</a>]
00:05:01 ◼ ► admit that but we are human and we get exasperated sometimes to express that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/301">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► the show ya so this email was from hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► d I'm assuming him in what i'd i'd replied to him or her I'm thinking him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/309">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► and saying what I said was we don't worry we say don't email us either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/316">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► because we really don't care about the minutiae manush a militia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/322">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► all the nuances topic at hand on me about bezel but you're gonna go minutiae [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/326">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► and that I was the emails to people not email you about the correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/333">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► pronunciation of minutiae so pleased that the Supreme abused the privilege to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/345">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► use it anyway let me try this again we we say please don't either because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/352">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► really don't care about the minutiae of the topic at hand or because we know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/359">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► won't be able to respond to everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► and actually at that reminded me as we were talking of another piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/365">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► follow-up which is I saw a handful of people generally speaking from Europe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/368">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► who seemed confused about the whole toaster oven thing isn't that just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/373">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► grill and then I realized we had a language barrier between your speakers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/379">TS</a>]
00:06:22 ◼ ► with someone from the UK are one of the some other thing that Marco can tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/382">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► the correct name of dewey maybe just put a you somewhere and it would that make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/389">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► them know what we're talking about a toaster oven now who is great it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/392">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► great because someone said it's not just the grill and I replied no I didn't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/396">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► up like where they're from or something but I was confused by and then another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/400">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► person who obviously knows who speaks the variant of English at that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/403">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► mister speaking tweeted back to them said I think that what you mean by grill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/407">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► language barrier we don't know the words for things but we put links in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/412">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► notes right click on them and see what it is it's a thing toaster ovens are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/417">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► things in America anyway and so if you live in one of these barbaric countries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/421">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► that doesn't really have a toaster toaster ovens basically it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/425">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► little tiny oven that can serve either as a toaster or in oven hands toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/430">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► oven and they're extremely convenient if you'd like to reheat something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/435">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► especially something brady Heslip being the most obvious example french fries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/439">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► anything like that if you want to eat something bready but you don't wanna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/445">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► so in the microwave because then it'll end up all gummy toaster oven is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/449">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► way to do it now yes you could use a traditional open but why in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/453">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► would you start up what is probably multiple square feet of space to heat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/456">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► one slice of pizza or two slices of pizza and so toaster oven is the best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/461">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► both worlds because big enough for usually a slice of pizza of Spitzer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/465">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► or it's a toaster big enough for a baby a couple bagels or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/470">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► where an intense it tends to hit up just about as quickly as doing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/474">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► microwave for me like if you're gonna mean it's it's not thirty seconds but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/478">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► you're going to reheat slice of pizza a toaster oven has it done in like two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/482">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► three minutes at most and so that's its way faster than using a full size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/485">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► nobody should ever put a pizza in a microwave I just wanna say completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/489">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► agreed but anyway so if you don't know what its host Robin is well perhaps it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► time to to move to a different country but nevertheless may be imported or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/497">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► nationalized health care or toaster oven toaster ovens I think I might to brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/505">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► of my toaster oven bread no apparently that's a proprietary eponym see I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/510">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► remember that the past episode it's pronounced Brazil that that its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/514">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► proprietary Eminem in the UK like Kleenex or whatever and so someone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/518">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► sharon says a Breville refers to something we would call a grill in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/522">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► UK percent which so they've taken that tire brand interned in do you know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/526">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► for the entire category of things like a panini grill type of thing but maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/531">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► that's definitely going but again follow the links mission its show you exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► last week shows yeah we're not gonna put in this week so now it's because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/540">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► already there you shoulda click the links kids are for sponsor before we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/545">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► done a single topic is a Glu Glu is an internet you actually like Spotify this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/549">TS</a>]
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00:09:27 ◼ ► like counters twitter-like microblogs file-sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/567">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► wikis and more all available privately and securely for your company or group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/570">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► internet interests are highly functional style is an easy to use with a widget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/575">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► based drag-and-drop interface their latest upgrade Viking revolves around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/579">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► documents and how you interact with them gather feedback and make changes even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/583">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► added the ability to track who has read critical information to keep everyone on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/587">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► the same page it kind of agree beseeching your email but less annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/591">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► and it helps you track whether employees have read and acknowledged policies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/594">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► signed off a legal agreements or confirmed completion of training [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► materials all very useful stuff of your unaccompanied includes all built on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/601">TS</a>]
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00:10:10 ◼ ► these features think even things like previewing an anti-aging documents have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/610">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► to render an office document have annotations on all that is done in html5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/614">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► so it works matter what device you're off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► all the functionality all the antisense all the anime controls everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/620">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► whether you're on a computer iPhone Android phone or even a blackberry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/624">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► the new devices in screen sizes hit the market already works on them so if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/628">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► company has a legacy internet that looks like it was built in the nineties you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/632">TS</a>]
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00:10:43 ◼ ► you have a group of 10 or fewer people and if you get past 10 people it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/643">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► reasonably priced after that so really if you have a group of 10 or fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/647">TS</a>]
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00:10:59 ◼ ► glue software dot com slash ATP thanks a lot to a leaper sponsoring our show once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/659">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► again been a longtime sponsor friend Mr show very much thank you we should talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/664">TS</a>]
00:11:10 ◼ ► about the photos that that we all thought may have kind of gone away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/670">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► real-time follow up on the Bravo it's not happening it's not a panini press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/675">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► look at the thing I just put in the shower now it's it's the thing like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/679">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► like a clamshell thing that closes and has two little compartments for bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/684">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► like it to be spread and I know the kind of like keeps them from both sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/690">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► different than the panini press badges on the flat services we deliver rages on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/694">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► this is a common thing like that when they prefer older I've seen them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/697">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► USA just don't think many people have them but that's what they call it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► what they call a Breville and if you read the history of the thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/703">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► really i mean I've seen them before but it looking at the chat room it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/706">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► like in the UK and Australia everyone has one of these and I cannot think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/711">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► any one of my friends or family that has won it so it's labeled there as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/715">TS</a>]
00:11:59 ◼ ► durable stainless steel Jack filmmakers are those chapel's is that like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/719">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► what we call this a try to pronounce that word maybe it's just lay job like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/723">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► waffle so quick aside I was at work this year ago now and somebody was one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/729">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► coworkers is talking about doing something in javascript and at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/738">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► he said something about just saw and I was like oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/742">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► I think he was saying it you know comically and are ironically whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/750">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► my boss used to say it's over it's over that's when you put your age over an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/759">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► item and the nature of her style the links but he was supporting trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/766">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► pronounce pronounce that word because you knew that a problem that's true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/772">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► because you never know when that'll go wrong but for the record it's like about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/777">TS</a>]
00:13:02 ◼ ► them in 20 minutes alright sorry for the derail photos back to ya so let's talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/782">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► about photos we at all not genuinely be kind of wonder day what happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/786">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► photos because somebody pointed out to us that it disappeared from Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/792">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► website well apparently it's back it's back in a big way because it actually in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/795">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► the latest beta now have either of you guys tried but you crazy I was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/800">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► gonna try like not on my computer with my actual photos but just just a load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/807">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► the program and throw some sample photos that or whatever but then I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► that I'm pretty sure that you have to upgrade to 10 10 3 beta and I wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/814">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► willing to do that just just a try the photos that I just yet the reason I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/821">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► using it it's like I'm not gonna run a date OS on my main computer that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/825">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► that's not gonna happen I'm very open a lot of time doing stuff like deserve a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/829">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► break I also I feel like this is a good opportunity that I really should take to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/836">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► go back and clean out some of my photo library because there's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/841">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► sometimes I'm sure this happens a lot of people go on a trip or something or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/844">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► know we'll do a shoot with the care of the dog or both or whatever and I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/849">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► just dumped all the photos into iPhoto library and then just never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/853">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► picked them so I have your judgment like 30 gig folder is full of some shooters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/856">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► I'm like that it's like do I do if I just took an hour to go through this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/862">TS</a>]
00:14:26 ◼ ► would probably delete 95% of pictures and just keep like the five percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/866">TS</a>]
00:14:30 ◼ ► the best ones that actually want to see again and basically I need to apply that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/870">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► process to like five years of photos I it's like sprinkling I keep meaning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/875">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► maybe this is my motivation to do it finally do get their problem I used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/881">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► use iPhoto this was no 34 years ago now and i felt it was nothing but a burden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/886">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► and there's probably a million in seven ways that you can blame that on me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/893">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► probably million in six of them are correct for whatever reason I just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/897">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► a workflow that that really worked well for me and what I ended up doing since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/902">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► then is just issuing that's how I pronounce that word right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/905">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► issuing iPhoto altogether this is the axonal pronunciation podcasts and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/908">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► now what I'm doing is and i think is Bradley chambers learning tool of photo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/914">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► management in combination with some some scripts from Dr drang and so basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/918">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► what I do is I have all of my pictures renamed consistently and stored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/923">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► consistently my file system and that's as close as I get any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/929">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► organization and I wish I had a better organization system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/932">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► insofar as something where maybe I tagged pictures that I think a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/936">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► good or a group them into events or what have you the sorts of things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/940">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► suspect photos that will be great for but for whatever reason just felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/944">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► such a pain in the butt with iPhoto that I never really did it now you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/948">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► described Mrs before I put them all in iPhoto and then I started them and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/953">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► only cleaning I really do I'm I tend to be like not want to get rid of pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/957">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► of my kids like they're not framed correctly or even if they're a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/963">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► focus sometimes they're so cute and I do is I would you rate them all and when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/966">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► feel like doing a little cleaning I just show all the ones stars in the ones are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/971">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► basically like you should really delete the lighting is really bad or its blurry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/974">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► or whatever they can I will delete as a look at every picture when they load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/978">TS</a>]
00:16:22 ◼ ► them into iPhoto like my footer like something you know totally dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/982">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► but all one-star ones and then when I want to clean it really easy for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/988">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► just show a smart album that shows one-star thing they just go through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/991">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► delete all your pussy then you can't see the ones around them that were better so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► you can really know which of these do I need to keep a one-star means I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/998">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► can look at the pictures like these are so blurry like they're not not one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► starring if it's in focus and people are in the front like those never get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► star 1 star basically means you should really do want stars thing that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► people would delete immediately I just let them stew and if I feel like doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► anyhow I i delete all I i think i deleted everyone start my collection of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► a couple years ago it was a lot of photos at been now I just can't let them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► build up maybe you're just letting them develop like a Polaroid like figuring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► maybe it'll get better if I just leave it here for hours and also like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► picture that is actually out of focus sometimes we do like family counters for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► you and you know make the calendar for the year with pictures and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:19 ◼ ► and had to settle collages we can put the pictures sometimes as little spots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1039">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► on the counter for small photos and even a picture of the two blurry like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► not in focus when you shrink it down to be like one of the small thumbnails kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► of an angle on the corner of a counter thing it doesn't actually even look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► bad so occasionally that's why I'm kind of keeping the one starter on Orbitz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► like me trying to see a picture of like what some would have on the shelf in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► this year where was that thing yeah I wish I wish this system was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► intelligent about finding things that I do keyword them but my keywords are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► limited to like a keyword region my children and then one keyword for me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► my wife made us individually and that's about it and the fees they going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► that doesn't faces feature find all the people that you want for you well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► start doing it this year existed long before her first and second of all no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► it's not reliable enough like me manually keyword in them is much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► reliable than faces I wish I could turn case officer was grinding away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► the fans spin up on the MacBook Air to try to take people's faces but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► the same thing I do what I do and start him and basically using the stars a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► threshold system easily let me sort of get more people are trying to get by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► cleaning things out but just like just show me three stars or better those of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► the good pictures there's very few of them something my collection become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► small and manageable and I want to share photos photostream or you know something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► to relatives and just show three stars it's super manageable people want their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► collections actually be like that I can't bring myself to throw up to star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► ones but the ones that want to delete that good for a second I think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► 11 thing that we were skeptical of our or hesitant or whatever the right word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1137">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► here is just asked her she was still sick I have a good reason is that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► were wondering like you know one of the issues with cloud service back things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► and and I club stuff in particular is that there's pretty much no visibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► into the storage and no recourse if it doesn't increase you like to leave your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► contact like it's pretty hard to recover from that in a lot of cases for audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► services and if you if you have this on your Mac and it has all these files in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► their local you can back up these files and then hopefully have some way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► import them if you had to like nuclear iCloud account and start clean or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► restore but just after was deleted and it seems really reports that the storage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► layout of it you can infer things on this and it does leave them where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► are not copy them in but by default it seems to maintain a very iPhoto like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► library structure so that these files are just sitting there as files on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► desk all of your photos are there by default it will only be smart strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► leads in the originals or you know catch things online only if you enable the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► special aglow space mode so you can just have one peter has the whole library on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► it and has always original sitting there as files and you can always reach import [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► them later so it does seem like it is durable enough in that way to be used as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► your main photo app at these ones they work out any glaring bugs actually even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► better than that like we should explain why the experience of this is my photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► temperature was an app that Apple had both discontinued both your place but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► functionality wise photos did not include all the functionality of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► preacher include the most of the functionality of iPhoto but so this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► application is coming into people's lives with the expectation that you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► already got all your photos in one of these other applications are in a folder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► of craps and it handles all those situations like if you have an iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► library when you started up it will import that I've our library and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► won't actually make duplicates in the files over to make hard links them put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► link in the shootout six-mile darlings are basically doesn't take up any more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► room on your disk but it makes a separate parallel structure of its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► at that point your libraries are divorced from each other and if you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► changes to either one of them the changes are no longer visible so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► it's a one-time kind of import process that doesn't actually take a bit much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► more disk space but at that point their diverse like they're not kept in sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► with each other if you have a powerful pictures that just like you organize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► yourself you can just start photos up make a new empty library and import [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► those pictures I believe it will copy them and know what happened in that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► you can tell it to leave the pictures where they are is a preference kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► guidance preference of copy media into library you can tell it don't move my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► stuff I have an arrangement folders just just referenced them from where they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► and it will do that it will leave them in your next organized folder structure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► will put a little thing in the app that shows you like oh by the way this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► picture is in in a library its reference from another location and if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► work that way which I would totally recommend not doing because it's crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► application will do that you have put you can organize your photos into little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1315">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► holders by date and name them whatever the heck he won and they just refuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► them from the Photos app and continue that crazy workflow where you act as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► partisan putting the boulders and then referenced from the application and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► like iPhoto you can hold down the option key online chats which among different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► libraries the only limitation you have is that this is all just like totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► local forget about network connection this assault walks totally locally no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► clouds that involved at all right if you want to do some cloud stuff then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► designate one library as like the system library like the iPhoto the iCloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► one library system can be loud backed up and then you have the choice do I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► to keep all the originals on my Mac and then also put them in the cloud or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:42 ◼ ► want to use like whatever called like smarter advanced storage where the sum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1362">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► of the preference says I don't care if they're all on my Mac you can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► take something off on that as long as they're in the cloud that's the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► option so this is extremely flexible application that does things in pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► much the smartest way possible given the current policies and technology we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► the leaves every person able to do whatever it is that they want with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► the only bad thing about a transition why's it this absolutely bug in like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► racist stuff and destroys your photos and they get lost in the crowd and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► everything any changes you made after that initial kind of one-time import [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► process will be lost because once you do that import you are now leaving iPhoto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► behind I suppose you could import your photos into both of them in parallel but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► then you will actually be duplicating because the one time in part with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► with the hard licking stuff doesn't take much more space that's not an ongoing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► thing so there is a transition points are expected to suspected I try out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► program I will try it out and then I don't know maybe just like bailout after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► importing the couple pictures into an entry import the same things into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► photo library like I still have a good transition plan but spec wise the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► application seems like it does all the right things to make everybody except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► for average users are screwed it will everybody everybody happy except the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1435">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► people who use that picture and will miss all the features that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► happen terms of advanced photo editing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► well the editing controls are actually not that far off this is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► reasons I'm very excited about this app that the the actual editing process and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► the controls you have for editing are very advanced and really are pro level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► editing tools compared to Aperture and Lightroom Lightroom is probably slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► more aggressive certain areas aperture I'm not sure haven't used in a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► years but it's probably very very closely matches editing tools where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► where it falls short is in the organizational tools of things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► Aperture and Lightroom and especially if you're coming from a picture I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► if you're if you really heavily using those organizational systems of faults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► and all these things like that's most of that is now can transfer over gracefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► so that's that's really where are you going to be very rightfully upset but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► besides that I it looks good I haven't used it yet but it sure looks like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► editing and processing of the photos is just as good as a preacher was but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► don't have like the interface like doing the pics like that a lot of average was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► about professional photographers taking lots of photos and then designating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► ones I think are good in serving efficient manner like it's not there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► no work flow like that as far as I can tell built-in decoders whereas a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► so much of a preacher was focused on you know the editing tools which is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► thing and then this whole you know I guess in the balls in the management and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► then the picking process i fair with a call is that the word they use I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► so I might be at a temperature but the average girl like her ability to be way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:36 ◼ ► better for what pro's actually do like my my wife TIFF is not going to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1536">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► phone as I can already tell you that she's not going to use it she has even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► Aperture and Lightroom are too heavy headed for her she uses bridge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► budget director is the one she does client shoots just want to break into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► some giant library program and had organized things for like she does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► all in the file system with bridge into the pic in that way it works great for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1555">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► most pros are going to have a system like that we're going to use one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► these pro apps to do all that organizational and stuff and managing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► the shoot and managing the picking and all that stuff there I could use a sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► but that's fine this isn't made for them this is made for the people like me who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► and of course everybody else but like people like me who were using aperture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► and or Lightroom for its advanced editing controls primarily and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► secondarily would occasionally took some of these library functions but we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:28 ◼ ► mainly therefore the editing controls that's that's definitely case for me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1588">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► know it's the case for a lot a lot of people who like bought a solarz in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► last eight years and got into photography as a hobby just having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► editing controls built into the main photos library mechanism on iOS devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► and Max is gonna be awesome because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► for all these years we've had to decide between something that's fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► integrated into Apple's ecosystem instincts everywhere is all in all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► photos pictures all that stuff or has a great editing controls and proof stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► and they were always these things you have to give up you know one way or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► other and this looks like it's perfect for people like me many many prosumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► who's really interesting ever talk about is not like doing pro photo shoots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► actually for clients every day on the weekends or whatever Lee this is for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► and I'm very much looking forward to meeting and roles like the adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► intelligence of the editing charles is really important because they like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► default for most photographs including apples with the exception of the magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:32 ◼ ► wand enhance button like to give you one but it's like you don't understand all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1652">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► these crazy controls press the magic wand to maybe we'll make your photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► look better or maybe even if you don't like it you like whatever when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► faced with ok well so the magic wand and Mark here's a thousand sliders good luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► right and if you don't know how to use those fighters it it's daunting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► figure out how to do you know if this million different combinations you tryin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► like I don't know do I move this and that or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► also photos has the sort of intelligent thing where they give you sliders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► they're sort of Medicine lighters that caused the other sliders to move in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► it hopes are pleasing way if you like all I that's bad I don't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► smart move the sliders around I wanna move the actual slightest of the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► thing is you can use these these medical trolls that influence the other sliders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► to try to like most people can do that I would never have thought to put those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► other side of this position but when I slide stop slide all these other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► move around but you still have the ability to edit every single one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► details sliders manually as well so if you want to use the sliders by hand you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► can but most people have no idea how to get good results with that so they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► use those other medicine later so it's a big step up from either magic wand or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► you're on your own and all these edits are fully synced not not just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► burning into a JPEG and thinking that the actual edit states are sick so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► you can go on your phone or iPad and make adjustments and that sinks back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► well in theory I mean let's be serious if this is all based on cloud get so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► are clock at stuff has been solid why didn't my contacts think Marco contact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► us like tiny Saturday and why that's a good question I have no idea my faith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► it seems it seems like you know I've heard rumblings and I'm sure everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► heard these rumblings that like any Q's team took over iCloud something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► something and was really like revolutionising in fixing stuff like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► year ago like that's what all the stuff started allegedly and it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► Cloud kid and the cloud photo library stuff and all the stuff that came out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► that all based on cloud it seems like that is most likely to be the result of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:31 ◼ ► that rumor and that we're seeing now like they're doing they're doing good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1771">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► things about stuff like they'd rather than the initial iCloud service stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► which was the documents suffixes you know fairly simple problem separate was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► done kinda ugly but mostly worked key-value store which works alright and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► then Core Data Sync which was a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► you know they they they try to tackle this incredibly complex problem that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► really can't be done well in the way they attempted to do it and of course so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► its cloud kid was like we don't have an answer back in the summer league cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► kid is Apple kind of saying okay we're gonna do a cloud service that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► is much easier to do well and they so far seems like they did so I'm pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► confident in in this service probably being good I mean you know we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► what happens in practice once launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► scale and everything we've been using it for a few months but I think it all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► pieces seem to be in place for this to actually be good and work pretty well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► most of the time all the time which is the fact that their dog food yet so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► heavily i think is a pretty big change from say iCloud with core data recorded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► with a clever whatever the terminology was the impression I had was a nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► was dog food that but just like you said Marco sounds like apples have lead dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:53 ◼ ► food eating cloud kid in and that's that's definitely a good thing for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1853">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► of us because I think Apple is fairly tolerant third-party developers having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► to jump through hoops and fairly intolerant of their own people having to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► jump through hoops oh yeah that's fair and as far as I know I don't think any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► Apple app ever used Core Data Sync I'm pretty sure we never found what I needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► some people were treated like a strain on Twitter like you know what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► going to be a political uses I don't think we ever found one but anyway I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:25 ◼ ► confident and also you know I wouldn't necessarily like be honest a logic for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1885">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► aperture because Apple has been a terrible steward of averages since the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► beginning like it it always had delays issues it was always pretty buggy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► always had terrible performance there's a most of all just it would just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► years without any major updates and everything was always too little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► late it was always getting better soon and never actually great that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:51 ◼ ► Lightroom does so well because Apple basically said hey we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1911">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► Apple I think they basically invented the category of apps that work like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:00 ◼ ► basically I think I'm not sure about that please email Casey and then Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1920">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► Lightroom and just ate their lunch because they were generated so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► faster and it was so much better you know Apple really dunno aperture was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► always pretty badly neglected so in a rose-colored glasses and everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► don't think we're going to see people looking back in six months ago I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:22 ◼ ► miss aperture like I think so and for the few who do said I think they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1942">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► probably gonna be mister rendering it how could it actually was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► I thought I saw someone might have been Jason snails review but I thought I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► so many it loaded just a crud load images of pictures into the new Photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► app and they said you could scroll that thing at a solid 60 frames-per-second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► like it was nothing I will be excited to see that if that's true that's why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► want to try to Mike I've gotta see this shit is so terrible I thought I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► maybe thirty forty maybe more than 40,000 photos fifty it may be that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► sixties anyway doesn't seem like that big number but i wanna see that's real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:00 ◼ ► nicely we also spotted this week by X over each other as the best way I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1980">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► also however or all of those things however is the best way to biomedical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► domain names go to hover dot com and you can get 10% off your first purchase by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► using promo code slot toaster people slot toaster people when you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► great idea you want agreed to maintain its catchy and memorable never gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► give you exactly what you need to find the perfect roommate for your idea you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► can get started actually working on it and I've mentioned before I guess I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► haven't if I am working on a new project I I need to find a name first I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► move forward without a name that's like that just block me until I get a name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► and domain names are the very first thing I go search and whoever is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► for that gives you easy to use powerful tools to buy a minute remains so anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► can do it and support team is always ready for you to hand they are known for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► their no wait no hold no transfer phone service to you when you call a real-life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► human being is ready to help pick up the phone that said they were at the ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► to help you don't put on hold or transfered to anybody that's it pick up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2039">TS</a>]
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00:34:25 ◼ ► companies make it very complicated by just what you need a try to upsell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► with crazy stuff to make you pay extra to upgrade for things that really should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2069">TS</a>]
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00:34:45 ◼ ► they even offer this service called the valley transfer service and what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► is if you will let them they will log into your own registrar and do any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► transfers for you to transfer all your DNS and everything so it's all corrected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► it very easy to get stuff for all your site's down for a few hours it sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► they will log in and do it for you as you want because some registrars make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2101">TS</a>]
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00:35:22 ◼ ► like a 2004 and that was revolutionary to have a gigabyte don't know could ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2122">TS</a>]
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00:36:02 ◼ ► recover ago another dot-com and use promo code slot toaster people all one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2162">TS</a>]
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00:36:12 ◼ ► so there was a little bit of a surprise within the Photos app and some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► went spelunking I'm assuming it was Steve Smith is that right Stephen Smith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► i sorry but that guy and we have day he they someone has discovered you execute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► it so you ask it appears to be kinda UI kit for the Mac market you want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:39 ◼ ► about this little bit yes so it's it's a private framework that is used only by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2199">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► the photos at the moment that Apple shipped with the photos at beta and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:48 ◼ ► appears you know you can't no ones like disassembly I think that you can class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2208">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► dumping you can kind of see just like what classes and methods are contained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► from there to see runtime it's not just for us by the way people say that Xcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► 6.3 bit also uses that's interesting if that's true I didn't know that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► tweet from Dunn Mary saying that both easy enough to confirm that interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► well anyway so and what it appears to be is a subset of you I take it to the MAC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► and so there are things just like it with the UI prefix replaced with you X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► and so there's things like you know you acting like a UX navigation controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► and stuff like that and you know those UX color aux fan all this like normally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► between you I can the iphone after on the Mac there are a lot of big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► differences but a lot of also get a little superficial differences like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► the prefix for for you I can just you are the perfect record is an S and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► you have some classes like you I color and a scholar and UIImage vs and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► image and many of these classes that have these like superficial name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► differences aren't that different or the the Mac version supports some ancient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► stuff that no one will use anymore so you might use them so there's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► lot of overlap that seems trivial and that and many people have written will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► see macros or utility classes to to have a unified code base share some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► scope between iOS and Mac more easily so this appears to be apples apples version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► of this on this one at in this one team where this is their translation layer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► have the same code probably did the same code running on iOS and Mac so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► question is is it just this one team is it just a small nap or is this gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► a more widespread thing is going to become public and is is this going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► the new unified UI framework to the you can share a lot more cookies when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► silence and Mac that's all basically nobody knows anything about perhaps just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► speculating but that's that's why this is interesting what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► English had a good point and it's the analogy today came to my daughter as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► setting aside a texaco 6.3 also appears to use it according to the sweet guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► pro-kit that framework remember that yeah the pro apps logic and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► amateur logic what are the other apps that use that maybe maybe shake was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► final cut mouth may be fun anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► a whole bunch of Apple's App Store look different like the window chrome was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► different it was darker and sometimes it was smaller and they had they had their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► own little weird set of controls and everything they use pro-kit framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► which was you know a framework shared among Apple applications that gave a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► different UI and I mean I simply wasn't just looking at the point is that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► a framework that was not republicans that Apple used on multiple applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► that never became the future get rite so the idea that you ask it could just be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► thing that Apple uses internally to make it applications this is a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2396">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► viable idea it's not crazy to think well now once they did you actually like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► could apple also does the opposite day they take frameworks that use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► privately for a release or two and then make them public rights and now we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► tell whether this is going to be one of those things that use private incomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► public or is it just another probe kit that will Apple used internally to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► it slightly easier when it makes it out of its applications but it is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► future of making you i SAT there is some debate around this from smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► programmers who are saying like look you really don't want to have the unified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► framework because the Mac and iOS UI wise are different and the very low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► level stuff the Foundation Classes that's like the data structures the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► networking stuff like that that all is unified already and what's namely not is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► UI stuff and there is a great argument to be made there many people have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► that you know that should be separate because like just pouring an iOS app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► directly to Mac and using a lot of the iOS interface paradigm is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► navigation controllers and things like that doesn't really work well in the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► it's it's really not that kind of a waste of what the Mac is good at and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► just kind of feels like you're clicking and iPad app basically things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► like to use that sort of reflow themselves and you know or even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► like a better table of you may know they've approved table you getting rid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► of an esoteric like those type of things kind of span the range I mean they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► still have Wii dpi is like you know touches begin inside so it's like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► do you mean like what you have to say is this this framework exists and the class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► names make you think it's very UIKit like why would Apple bother making this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► into the photos out the obvious answer to me is the photos for the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► looks like voters for iOS right down to assuming out and seeing that John grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► of like photos for this month a week or year like it is very clearly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:53 ◼ ► magnification of the iOS totals up so you I was you know ignoring the back end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2513">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► an outsourced photos and everything like that so much it looks much more like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► some imported by US Forest nachman anything like hey someone made a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► version of iPhoto like it is it is just so if you had the existing photos output [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► presumably uses you like it and you wanted to make a Mac version of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► being able to reuse if not that code correctly then like that code indirectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► the structure of the program it would be really convenient to have something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► UX get where you can get the benefit of all that you I could code and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► get some semblance of a Mac version up and running faster that doesn't answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► the question of why would be used in Xcode but historically Xcode is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► dog food all sorts of weird stuff like garbage collection and what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► other one that it was doctor er think the dog park first anyway that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► also just be Xcode dog putting things because if you can experiment with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► technology leader in the application that developers to write programs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:55 ◼ ► the argument of you should keep them separate is weekend when to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2575">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► looking at like what what things and I Westwood you not have on the Mac and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► vice versa and I think that list is actually a lot smaller than than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► might expect if you're starting to make this argument and if you if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► like you're having a collection of you that's that's applicable to both sooo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► many little components UI control UIImageView ImageView UILabel table you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► text you so many of these things actually like there's not a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► argument that they shouldn't be the same on both it's really just a very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► level structures the very high level like navigation concepts navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► layouts that kind of stuff should be different both but actually a very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► part of you like it in the grand scheme of things and you don't even know if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► don't really push new things like there's no reason you couldn't make him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► a cap that in one of its Windows does a sort of you I navigation controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► thing of of pushing a new view on and popping and often I get maybe might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► weird but arguably a lot of the existing OS 10 apps do a lot of Iowa see type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► thing to do and how I think messages has like buttons that are in buttons were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► just colored text you know I think I played here if I didn't I I meant to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► like there is like a details but the messages that is not a button and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► just blew texted you doing here but people accepted like alright whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► know when I click that I get details for certain certain interests as an iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► programmer who doesn't know much about the Mac it would make me way more likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► to start tackling a Mac App if this was more consistent and I know like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► just dive into the Mac and i really am committed to it I could work through you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► get pretty well I could figure it out you know that's not like that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► only reason I'm making him a cap but it would definitely make me a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► likely to make him a cap and sooner and it would make it a smaller undertaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► if a lot of the stuff is unified and instead of having all these little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► superficial differences something some small and that has to play in somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2694">TS</a>]
00:45:00 ◼ ► to a decision you make to this like if Apple wants to encourage more Mac apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2700">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► if they want to you know populate the desolate awful landscape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► of the Mac App Store which is really sad a lot of a lot of places if they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► help populate that with with more better apps if they want to get more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► making Mac apps more people using the Mac for a lot of the stuff they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► make it easier for developers like right now it's all the people who are saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► this shouldn't be unified are all longtime Mac programmers longtime iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► programmers I think are very excited about this idea because they're you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► we look at the Mac as like well we could go here fairly easily but all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► is needlessly different yeah like even if you made the core of your app like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► it's all written in sort of early platform agnostic manner and it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► really matter I'm using some framework with some both places like ordinary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:54 ◼ ► something that you I part is like he said I go I just noticed but different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2754">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► UI now but I'm not gonna say that the hard part but it's a surprising amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► of work and if you have to repeated and keep them in sync and every time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► want to add a feature you have to add in both places but totally different code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:08 ◼ ► using different APS is just it's a lot of extra work I'm not sure you ask it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2768">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► lowers the barrier enough to really move the needle on the Mac App Store has it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► has other problems you know just so this so few Mac users like I think you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► to really make it a little barrier for some of my can address the market like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► hundreds of millions of iOS devices or like a couple of Mac people like is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► 250 what you like it so the iPhone is such a monster and that's just one iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► device compared to the Mac right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:42 ◼ ► if this was their goal like their long-term goals like we're going to dogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2802">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► with this we're gonna see if it's possible because we have a bunch of iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► app so we've decided this is the right way to do photos wu's you mountains to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► everything is a big thing you put your finger in your cursor over and see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2813">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► know that the future photos we are you wrote that can we just get the run the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► Mac well no because XY and Z and well okay so we have a job to do we can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► USB framework to be the first people to try to do that but Apple has way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► resources to throw toward the successor to iPhoto than the average you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► developer with an iOS app you might be thinking about making him a cap so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► Apple runs this experiment decides boy this really make sporting much easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► than what do they do about it they just say like how how how would they assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► that this is accessible experiment inside a plan assumes that the goal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► it was see it as something that developers might want for the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:33 ◼ ► that Marco stated how does Apple than a WEC announced this as a thing and help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2853">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► like what is the messaging it's like So You Think me right back at if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► an iOS version then look at you excuse you could reuse lot of that same code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:48 ◼ ► changing over to capitalize to capitol axes or something but otherwise use at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2868">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► Couture is a message like this is the future of writing that complications it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:57 ◼ ► just happens to look like the iOS one but even if you never write an iOS Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2877">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► were telling you you should use your Mac apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► well I think if they actually unified it it would just be called you like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► everywhere but that's the direction they would go today would work from iOS back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► to the Mac and they would they would just bring over everything named UIKit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► that makes sense to have and also you know one of the things they would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► here is right now they're maintaining two different frameworks their meanings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► to different UI libraries and and after it is very very old and there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► Crofton there from the olden days you like it was like kind of like a rewrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► of app for the iPhone and to be more modern into Bmore in a more efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► have all these new capabilities and be simpler in a lot of ways UI kit is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► it is the rethink of activities the rewrite about it they just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► replace it with a quite yet they were going to call you I could everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► that is not comment because like the code is not the same like he led to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2935">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► believe is more or less just a wraparound existing to begin with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► maybe they would like that out later but I don't think you can pull it up as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► have to maintain support bracket prolong the future right so linking against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► UIKit you couldn't linking against framework if like if one set of code is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► like the native code for the iOS devices in another set of code is the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► wraparound a kid I don't know how you could do that with the same name it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► seems like it like that the reason the exit there like it just doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► sense to me like every time it's not going to be a single unified code base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► is going to be two separate code bases and two separate code bases with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► same name and to plan and I suppose you could put up his best to Kaiser in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► different folders you know this is the iOS SDK and the cable guy just looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► like looking at documentation for like surely they will be differences so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► don't like messaging wise though that's what we'll get those after the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► month but that is a weird message at like at kit we've been evolving and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► improving for a long time but now you know it's like i was wonder that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► they bought next like how long the NSP fix what I want to do they keep the ANS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► prefix and everything is kind of weird and its next step like water off one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► glass of NSB tons of people just starting out programming for the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:19 ◼ ► wondering what that was described as about but it's held on for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3019">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► you know they get out from under and they are right this is the new thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► UX kiddin maybe in the future of a unified before now we have you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► getting your ex kid and I still think they were there will be stuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► maintaining three things at a packet on top of a kid and you like it like so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► wouldn't be maybe long-term its unification but i dont the messaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:50 ◼ ► just seems weird to me that's fair but maintenance the message and I'll think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3050">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► that matter I mean look they have two languages now well but one of them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► one of them is clearly a successor to the other belongings and by the way a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► lot of people are speculating that UX kid might be swift lonelier swift native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► I think I think we can already tell it's not just by inspecting the the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► everything but if you look at the the timing of this put the Photos app was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► introduced at the same time as with beta 1 when Swift beta one was announced at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► very few people inside Apple had even used it yet so I think it's extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► unlikely if there's any swift code in the photos as well there's probably some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► that's the way they would but I don't think it's written from the ground up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► sweats and I think you're right to like this is a directive see framework which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► is you can call through to the objectives the remarks on that half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► the stuff they did him Swift 1.2 which team talked about with making it less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► painful less awkward to interoperate between certain objective seized up by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► adding annotations the markup and a boy missing is marking up with all his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► objectives CBI's with all these annotations the mean nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► Objective C but totally let you know how it needs to write the data quest to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► exactly and I think that's that's the biggest as anything that like Objective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► C is not going to go away like two years from now this is gonna be a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► long-term replacement it's in right now look look at how many Apple classes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► still using C++ as there has so many people that I don't think we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► worry anytime soon the difference is gonna be just ended well I mean like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► could be ended in the in the sense that they tell you when you're writing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► application the only code you ever I dismissed because you could get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► with that it's like I'm not limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► I can call the existing frameworks and API's I can call them all from right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► I can do weird seats last up to ISO you could say third-party developers if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► you're starting a fresh new application in opening a new project in Xcode right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► all your code swift and you'll be fine like they're not yet but that's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► way they want to get on that point to come way before she goes that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► take forever like the actual people at Apple again running ejector seat for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► long time but they could be telling all third-party developers we would like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► you just read all your code in swift and you won't be limited in which API's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► like the idea I guess with only a native API what's the selling point of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► ideological purity a disappointment and even in the near future I don't you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► surely that they will come but unless there's some big advantage in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► speed or interface it's going to be difficult to justify bigger than you be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► cutting off all the people of existing Objective C at a lot of them yet and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► I would I would not expect a swift exclusive API for anything important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► be available in the next two years at least I mean I think it'll be awhile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► likes to move fast they like to like it sooner than I expected I didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► you know and that they will probably do something important when they decide to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► do it but it seems like it's just way too soon now so it probably means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► whatever your esther was two years like maybe cut that in half like they had no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► prizes for its like you know the way the herd everybody into whatever new thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► they want to do is like the new hotness is only available with X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► and yeah but none of his first of all not necessarily on this level of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► language level of what you're doing with the API level not necessarily on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► level and also I think the last time they did that like with what was it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► carbon let me do that now that the best example i think is how you can't build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► applications for older versions with the newest version of Xcode they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► push everybody the newest version of Xcode and that's why people have to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► at seven bridges road running an old machines like they're like you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► even target you know Snow Leopard anymore with this thing like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► OS support change forcibly by saying look here and add that this is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► way you can develop for the iPhone 5 but you can't developer Snow Leopard with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► so you know those people keeping the GMC Engine version of Xcode availed SDKs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► that Apple aggressively pushing people way too fast like way soon as people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► running p.m. with over 20 yd you know you're going to that that is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► common thing that people to yeah actually a lot of developers need to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► that I think it'll be sooner I tend to come down on this closer john's point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► view the marcos I think the push to Swift is going to be more aggressive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► sooner than any of us expect I think I'm on the edge I almost want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► something will be swift specific or this year maybe at the end of the year I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► think perhaps it's more reasonable to say sometime in 2016 but I think it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► be soon be really soon and certainly Swift is making some some really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► significant steps and doing so very quickly when I keep thinking is the dose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► which is supposed to make a lot of the dangers of Objective C go away and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► that that of course causing a lot of drama but maybe doubt in the community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3357">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► especially amongst those who have worked with ejector seat for a long time but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► think I think that if if swift prevents really silly programming errors and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► it's a little more stable eventually and it runs faster eventually it's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► Apple's best interest push everyone that direction and and I think they will and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► aggressively yeah but I think most the drama is already really fizzling out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► I think you know it's it's only a matter it's only a couple more sleep provisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► I mean look at how much they did at one point it was a pretty substantial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► upgrade in a lot of ways and I don't even use yet but i can tell just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► looking at what they changed and other people's reactions to its a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► substantial upgrade I read a bunch of these blog posts lately switched our big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► project too swift we built a big project in swift and here's how it went and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► overall it seems to be people are kind of mostly ok with the language itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► with a few minor minor differences here and there but most things itself but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► they have complained that the tools are are immature still that's working itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► out pretty quickly really I mean like they had a compilation which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► probably the biggest complaint in its absence before you know it in less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► a year Apple has already eliminated almost everyone they've limited most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► major there's still some minor complaints and there's still some people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► who really objective certain things about it that will never change but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► the most part they've they've already addressed many many good complaints [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► about it in less than a year and then moving really fast like they're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► big big breaking changes almost so much like it's frustrating like reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► documentation for the language and trying to learn the language just at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► point you think you're actually learning things they change it I just learned how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► are totally different again and like they don't do it like in mind there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3475">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► minor with big fundamental just wait until they had exceptions and regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► expressions people's brains gonna explode right this is why I haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► learned it yet this language is moving fast and just 1.2 was a big change like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► well I program got five times faster and I didn't change anything and you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► compiled times it like it's still super young think it's probably still super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► buggy and they've got a long way to go but like I think the inclination to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► think well its young now and there's these big changes but the rate of change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► will slow down I expected to like to not slow down to make people uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► with the amount that it doesn't slow down the next couple of years like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► certain point it's going to be kind of like you know the change your teeth with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► the OS like alright already like my annoyances with whatever features and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► swift are now dwarfed by my noise that you keep changing the language we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► understand you could hear addressing all of our problems in trying to make things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:54 ◼ ► better than I just wanted to be stable so I can write some code be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3534">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► actually know the language that's that's going to happen in like eight months if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► they keep up this pace yeah hopefully I mean the guy you know I said like last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► year I was gonna wait about a year before even looked at it and so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► that's that's working out very well I can see in passing other making all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► these big changes but I have no investment in it I i haven't even read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► the the apples with book hitting the books for free I have you read that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► because every page of it has changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► kinda like and so I'd rather just wait until it settles down at least most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► the way and I would expect within the next couple years I think it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► pretty stable even in a year from now I think the reason I think it'll ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► released a list like built into his language is the idea that the language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► and backward there's no backwards compatibility their entire path forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► we'll see how this works is that like the idea is going to update your source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► code like they're not going to support with 1.0 1.1 wonder you know like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► source like I wrote this in swift 1.0 and I'm gonna be able to compile an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► Xcode 9 many years and I know you won't know you can do about it now but their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► whole strategy is sourced compatibility forget I mean maybe they'll change their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► policy like that's when it comes to the maturing point is that ok now the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► policy is actually respect the same source code require you to like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► you sorry factoring tools to upgrade to send texts but they're not in that phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► yet they were in the phase it says we told you were gonna break syntex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► compatibility we are going to we're never going to compile years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► 1.0 and Wednesday anymore so just get used to it but our greatest with 1.2 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:30 ◼ ► by the way 1.3 will do the same thing to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3630">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► our final budget this week is automatic your smart driving system on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► smartphone automatic dot com slash ATP so automatic is a little darling plugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► into your car's obd2 port is the same port the user at the mechanics are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► dealers with a check for error codes it's usually in the driver's footwell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► automatic plugs into that and so all the information that the dealers can get and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► the mechanics can get out of your car automatically get a smartphone app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► integrates with this and does cool stuff so one thing it does so whether this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► works on iPhones and Android phones which is pretty great and it can show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► you by combining the smarts in your car with the smarts in your phone it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► you things like where you've driven and how efficiently you drive give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► feedback on your driving in real time they can save hundreds of dollars a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► on gas they can even call emergency services for free in a serious crash so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► if your car if your car crashes and your phone you know is that all workable it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► can use your phone to call emergency services for you just can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► seriously you know be a better fit here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► automatic also conducting any check engine light codes so because it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► airport that all the mechanic use if there's any kind of area code that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► causes the check the check engine light to come on the car will act in the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► has a lower level error code than that it's just not showing you could you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► lacks the display for that that's why she says check engine but usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► there's some lower-level could a lot of those codes are really obvious things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► that you can fix things like the gas cap isn't sealed all the way you know stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► like that you can just fix it yourself or you know minor parts spots you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► you know you can go to a mechanic instead of going all the way to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► dealer paid all this money so it can save you lots of money but check engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► light codes it can give you lots of money saving on gas called emergency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► services for free in a crash and it even has little useful things like party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► reminders again it's combining your car with your phone so it knows where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► parked and you can use the log cabin your phone to go find your car again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► even if integration with a few different things so they integrate with the Nest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► Learning Thermostat so for example if you're going if your headed home and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► nest has you in a way modes your house is cold in the winter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► automatic knows you're getting close to your home so it will tell the next term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► and so then by the time you get home your house is nice and warm for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► arrival and even if you don't have a nest they have integration with ifttt if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► this than that so what that integration you can integrate countless other online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► services with your automatic device so it's really great that is also an API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► you can download driving data you can subscribe to events when you start and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► stop the car when you when your check engine light comes on etcetera as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► whole epi for use whatever you want and if you have an Android phone even have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► feature called do not disturb mode so that if you want you can have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► automatically mute your phone like buzzing or beeping while you're driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► so you don't get distracted by the notifications of great stuff here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► automatic dot com slash ATP and this is normally about a hundred bucks is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3804">TS</a>]
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01:04:01 ◼ ► automatic dot com slash ATP thanks a lot in speaking of different way is already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► a user interfaces a couple of things have happened over the last weeks or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► months that listeners have asked us to talk about and first actually might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:19 ◼ ► been a year ago now is a seng display kit do you want to tell us about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3859">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► john yeah I was talking about you execute has like the idea of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► successor to a kidnapping has this crafted you like it you know learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► format get into things better which is why it seems nice to do things you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► it but it is a nap get everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► and display kit and topically director about react reactive rather point to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► sort of a larger leap above the both the apt in the UIKit paradigm particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► having to do with the requirements that certain things only be done on the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3894">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► thread laying out the UI drawing there some acceptance of that or you can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► to some of those things off the main thread but generally that leads to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► sadness know what you doing and that's a limitation kind of built into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► framework a framework that if you trace its lineage through you know step in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► next step could go way back in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► made sense when you didn't have a multi-core CPU in your little hand-held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:23 ◼ ► crazy phone not symmetric multiprocessing was barely people's eyes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:28 ◼ ► back then forget about these 12 core CPUs and everything like that but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3928">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► reality is that we do have a multicore and everything and even if you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► offload some of that work to another Corey can be a big dent benefit so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► think this lake is a thing I think Facebook made for like its applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► that paper application where they wanted to lay out calculations just baseman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► matt Asay how wide is this how much is it gonna take a bottle blah and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► wanted to do it in parallel not on the main threat because they didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► block the main thread they want the main threat to be available to pick up events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► and process them and make the UI reactive printed anything and so amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► display kit which is a thing on top of a packet that lets you do you i'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:16 ◼ ► calculations the end asynchronously and possibly in parallel and other threads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► and then do it in a nice way so that the actual addy gets done on the main threat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► as it has to work with the thing but you can actually do the calculations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► elsewhere and that's what makes me look at you X didn't think like this can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► really be the future of anything it seems like an interim step because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► I would want to see a leap like you like it wasn't a step up from a tip it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► kind of like more like a cleaned up after you put it didn't it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► revisit some fundamental assumptions in light of the hardware realities that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► have today and I think something like something been incorporated something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► like icing display get into the fabric of the framework would be much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► than someone taking a bitter UIKit and layering another framework on top of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:03 ◼ ► dolls stuffed other threats yessuey Singh display kit was most gained most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4023">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► of its fame I guess from paper which was is an app that Facebook wrote as a kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► of alternative to their traditional Facebook app and it's actually the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► that I used my phone because it's freaking supports sending messages which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:26 ◼ ► is nice to have a separate app for that anyway it's very pretty and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4046">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► animations are very cool and it's very nice and that indexing to spike it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► lately Facebook has taken a different purpose react native is Facebook making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► that up here right now I will just assume I'm right why not email me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► tell me if I'm wrong anyway so you react native is also my Facebook and react [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► originated as at least to my knowledge as a javascript front-end framework kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4074">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► of sort of but not really tall like angular and then somebody facebook said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► well you know what we could do something on the natives side with this in so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► there's an unbelievably good video that then I had seen by way any material Shaq [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:20 ◼ ► who has been coming up a lot lately on the show and it's it's an overview by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4100">TS</a>]
01:08:26 ◼ ► one of the developers of react native at Facebook talking about how it works and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4106">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► kind of what it does and I have watched it for a week or two since the one ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► came out and so i i cant really get into specifics because all steers into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► but some of the stuff that it does was just unreal including being able to mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:48 ◼ ► about with your UI without doing another built in so you can have your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4128">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► running in the simulator or around with some stuff in Xcode and it will refresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4134">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► itself in the simulator without recompiling and additionally you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► actually connect chrome you the app the running out publicly talked about I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► think last episode with with web use but this is the web you this is all real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► honest-to-goodness needed stuff and so you can connect chrome may have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► sort of interpreter connector whatever you can connect chrome to your native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► app running react native in go inspecting it kind of like what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► third party thing that got Sherlock this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► thinking of the things that exploded views but yet so it's kinda somewhere to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► that end I guess I haven't played with it yet but just watching this half an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► hour video my mind exploded probably fifteen times reveal thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► chat room it was revealed that i was thinkin thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► person in the chatroom arias she that's totally wrong anyway this video is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► really really incredible and and Marcos special scenes nevermind so you're in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► defense I did spend all day today making the making of a good program so I I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► in this century ok well that's good I would like to hear about that if we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► time but John what are your thoughts on this react needed thing have you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► react the JavaScript framework at all I retweeted it thing from making joke like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► a sign that the W three see it was one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► there have been blank days since the new JavaScript framework ahead 0 like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► pretty sure I know reactors and it seemed like the jobs corporation for web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► applications you can correct me if I'm wrong case against you watch the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► is I have not yet the reactors the one where they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:47 ◼ ► where they have all is that the one where they have like the DOM sort of as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4247">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► a structure not actually connected to the dominate your differing against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► to figure out what actually needs to be updated in that ends up being faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4255">TS</a>]
01:10:58 ◼ ► it's like yep it's one of those crazy solutions that has to do with it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4258">TS</a>]
01:11:02 ◼ ► not shattered on crystal separate thing and web components are related but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4262">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► like you would think it would be so much slower to build these parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► structures in memory that aren't that dumb and then figure out what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:15 ◼ ► changes are by differing it again something else and then and then only at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4275">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► the end after you've done this crazy dipping thing and just add memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► structures that have no connection to the browser do you say now finally I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:25 ◼ ► know what I have to update in the damn you do the minimal but updating the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4285">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► dumbest so damn slow the doing the differing ends up being way faster than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► doing it like you know direct way it's worth pointing out also the football [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:37 ◼ ► thing and on this topic for Flipboard came out it was yesterday and the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4297">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► before is very recent and they they launched a web version and in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► engineering department posted this whole thing how they're basically doing a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► react like differing system in the middle of this whole system rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► basically he rewrote part of WebKit that just runs on a canvas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► it's a very small part but still make on a web version but scarecrows around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:05 ◼ ► web because once your entire just a big canvas tag but you draw stuff in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4325">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► your own framework like yeah I guess that's the web like you've just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► reinvented ActiveX controls like you know that that's terrible it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► insulting or not it's a difference if we start with the / like the web is we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► that the web is and anything that is a rectangle in a web page in which some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► the program runs is not the web and canvases like the borderline of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► well is that the web is it like you've written you know yes you have a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► display larry and you could do everything yourself and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► they're doing everything else would like to point out in terms of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► accessibility of a canvas native application like unless you're signing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:50 ◼ ► re-employment you know you like it around with all the accessibility things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4370">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► that are inherent there and support for it strikes me a lot as a big rectangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► webpage whether things happen which may be fine for Flipboard but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► it's that's right but the act is more like I'm we're going to take the web as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► it exists just going to find out a nicer way for you to write application fees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► for what they think it's a nice way to react as some weird stuff going on you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► know they they violated they sort of sacrifice a lot of sacred cows they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► the big things I think also where they like UNIX JavaScript handlers in line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► with these fake things look like tags but really aren't in freaks people out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► by the looks like you're doing like the old style on mouseover Eagles whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► but you're not really because that's not actually da markup is just a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► communicate with their like there's a lot of weird things about react but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► think thats all beside the point because I think the important part of it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:44 ◼ ► different model and it's a very different model frap continue like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4424">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► how to make a GUI applications and it's like well it that's for the web the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► so different than native it has to be different than react native is like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► if we take that same model and apply it to native things does that work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► actually better than using you I get around it and some people apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► think it is i think the jury's still out on this new paradigm is the way to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:09 ◼ ► but I think this combined with a display kit show two different potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4449">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► complementary approaches that are that show that are so different from getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► UIKit and UX get that it's like it makes you I continued acts get a napkin look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► like Objective C 2.0 and it makes these things look like potentially swift or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► something like it I just feel like there's a bigger lead to be had and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► would recommend an apple not invest some huge amount of time unit making pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► some unified you I could you acted type of thing for the future because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:43 ◼ ► transition will take a long time and you don't know what you've got is basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4483">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► now everything is as good as you like it and you like it may be nice to not get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► in important ways but it is not sort of a largely it's not as big a leap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► potentially as big a leap as swift potentially is over Objective C like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► looking for the next big step as a refinement you have now make appt get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► better as you've been doing the Qik better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:06 ◼ ► as you've been doing and get busy working on whatever the next big thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4506">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► is and if it's something like react made of fine if it's something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► incorporates the ideas are facing display it on if you think you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► retrofit those WI kit and a ticket and let people do more things off the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► thread maybe try that too but you know and like I said this is my next couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► in 2010 type of thing but I do look at other frameworks and I'm not convinced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► that they're the future but they look different enough from the president that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► I'm interested in potential ideas for the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► yeah I agree I think if you're totally right that like if you're going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► everyone do a big transition if there is this other thing that has come up like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► you know in computer science you type circles and everyone thinks this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► really great idea and it turns out of practice to really be really great idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► it is definitely worth considering like you know he is it worth like if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► gonna for people to go through a transition to make a bigger leap like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4555">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► swift you know it's not even like computer science you like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:00 ◼ ► recognizing the hardware hardware so different now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4560">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► frameworks we have are not a good match for everything being multicore because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:06 ◼ ► it because of the main threat constraints and GCD helps that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4566">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► like he does help it for you I code it doesn't help things like certain things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► you only you have to do on the main thread or bad things happen and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► that's like the basics like it it's like we're going to hang around that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► limitation of Apple's frameworks and say you just sit there will actually do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► UI updates on the main thread but we're going to do a whole bunch other math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► over here in our sort of play world and saying the reactor sort of play World of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► this is not the UI but this is our little fake model of the UI so we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► actually take advantage of parallel processing and then we'll get back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:40 ◼ ► you with I actually you are now your actual done please do this change and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4600">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► that is that is happy and clever but it shows that the current frameworks are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► just not a good fit for current hardware will I think the multi-core hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► rendering and main thread thing is kind of red herring it like in practice the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► reason why a lot of a lot of you know you I code now is tricky to write is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► because drawn calls have to have a threat it it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► she's declared a versus procedural whatever that it's a different paradigm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► say it's not that it's tricky to rate is just that it's just like if you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► have performance concerns like you want you wanna treat tomorrow at the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► ended where it's like if you're gonna do anything like you have to be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► because I had to pull the next event all you need to do you need to leave the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► main threat alone do not let the whole thing and BCD stop blocking the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► threat for crying out loud I don't care what you have to do get like get in get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► out I need to get the next event because it would feel if it's everyone its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► chrome it's super bad and that's why I think this place at the school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► you know the devices they have is like so you gonna show Big Bang great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:47 ◼ ► advantages and they're coming from the internet you can't wait to get all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4667">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► downloaded to figure out what size there so you can lay it out will take forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► so there's like this procedural thing like will download super low res [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► versions of those and asynchronously bring in the higher res version just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► you can get a scrollable correctly laid out thing as soon as possible so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► start scrolling it that's the type of thing that's very difficult to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► the existing framework with its like they don't expect sort of asynchronous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► updates all this to all these features it should be easier than it is and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► not it's not because of like a declared every procedure that's part of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► you could say I would be easier if I could describe IUI in this way instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► of writing a bunch of code to make my UI in this way but it's like four large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► grids with lots of things on them I don't want to block the main thread with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► it or not I don't want my main threat to be blocked if and is really large for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► something that performances depends on the number of item yet but i i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► it's it's more you know the GCD we can already stepped off the main thread come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► back later like it's it's more of a paradigm shift it's it's not it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► that like the API's have to happen on his main threat it's that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► paradigm for how you update the UI like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► react does it like if you look like I don't know react so whenever I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► snippets of react code it just breaks my mind I like i'm looking at it on my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► this is totally like backwards inside-out upside down and in French [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► like aids like I was so it looks so foreign to me it's so different from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► yet so let me jump in here so one of the links is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► that we're gonna put on the show notes while reacting need of matters in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► is by Josh Alper I'm guessing that's just cheaper anyway he says right now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► write you eyes by poking at them manually newt eating their properties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► when something changes and removing views etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:39 ◼ ► this is fragile and error-prone some tools exist to lessen the pain the pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4779">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► but they can only go so far wiser big mess immutable stateful bags of sadness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► react let's describe are you eyes for a given state and then it does the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► work of figuring out what needs to change it abstracts all the fragile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4793">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► error-prone code out away from us we describe what we want react figures out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4797">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► you eyes become composable immutable stateless value types react native is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► fantastic news and that's building it's Josh abernathy I'm sorry that's building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► on what you were saying mark over this is just a whole different model of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► you interact with user interfaces and it makes a lot of sense maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► particulars are a little bit wonky and I'll concede that but the premise of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► really this is just moving from one concrete state to another and it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► just be a finite state machine hopefully in theory that is a really cool premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► in in building on that I'm going back to India to Shaq he tweeted a few days ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► finally show notes I say with confidence as a former UIKit author reacts model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:44 ◼ ► for the UI layer is vastly better than you I kids react native is a huge deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4844">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► in another tweet they've just gotta figure out the interaction in animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► and so he goes on just briefly to all AskMe what's react filter bubble danger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► you must watch the broader development landscape don't get trapped in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► platform and I think that's that's a really good call and this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:03 ◼ ► very interesting that's that's influence from the from a web framework coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4863">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► into native and it's making some real making some really interesting moves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:13 ◼ ► I and I wouldn't be surprised if something along these lines gets adopted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4873">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► by Apple in the same way something online to reveal which isn't an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► apples-to-apples comparison but reveals how to sherlock didn't surprise me they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► took a very similar spiritual approach to whatever replaces you are you kidding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► me and our kids eventually one day maybe because you know react I mean it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► making big waves and it's it's making waves with a lot of the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► matter it's people like and people people who who are developing his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► framework people who are in important positions or where or no people or those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► are the new people in those positions do these are making big waves I've heard so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► much but react every JavaScript framework out there besides reacted come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4915">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► out in the last decade I hear nothing about because I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► react make bigger of waves that I keep hearing about it like I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► anything about anger is like a million different levels of factories and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► area let you know those those are confined to the clients I react is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► coming over to the natives I think need to tie this together with display it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► like you know we're talking in two different things like I was not talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► about anything just like it but the performance concerns and your dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► reacted the paradigm think they're connected though because reacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► functional thing we're like it you know you operate on state and its value type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► thing that sort of you know lack of side effects were used in operating your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► arguments return a value in it and everything is sort of you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► was something you thought it was well that allows you to paralyze the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► you don't have side effects if you're not it is not just one giant big balls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► mutable state that you can only update 132 time otherwise you get crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► conflicts that's what one of the many things that I that get to its current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► paradigm react said you know reactivated display connected because he views the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► reactor model it doesn't matter what three mutations are you could do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► mall in parallel the same thing like that their side effect read their peer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► functional and so it lends itself to that type of modeling as opposed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► current model but we had this one thing it is the state of the UI be super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► careful with it and go back to OKC you said like I it is not past Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► steal good ideas they do it all the time and if something is making this big wave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:29 ◼ ► and apples engineers and top people again if Apple thinks it's a good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5009">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► they will do it or they will do something similar to it you know some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► this is that this is a pretty big deal to change your entire UI API paradigm or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► to add a new one is a major deal and this you know this is a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► happen in a year this is this is a big undertaking it would have to be a skunk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:54 ◼ ► works but I think that the exciting thing about swift yeah it was but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► essentially one guy who won very powerful guy who would prove himself the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► many other things that he had done in the company's I just some random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► employee off in the corner somewhere but for a long time it was just one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► and I'm sure there's lots of other one person died projects that may or may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► go anywhere but like it just goes to show that you don't need like buy into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► the VP level to get the ball rolling and maybe the ball starts rolling and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► stop throwing my guys happened with ZFS or whatever the other things like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► not guaranteed is going to happen but it seems like Apple is currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► organization in which something like this could start happening and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► killed before we ever see it and something else comes along maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► reactors just the the hotness today and then two years it something else like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:38 ◼ ► it's not outside the realm of possibility that Apple can innovate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5078">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► his way on any subject of Infosys which they seem institutionally incapable not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► that I'm better than that but if they're going to do something like a react style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► UI framework that would be a really good thing to start with swift and to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► swift only one of the things that I that makes react could look so weird is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► it fits in very weirdly with existing languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► the syntax of of declaring it and using it just like using javascript like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► yeah it's really badly bolted on and I mean you know not by its own fault but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► really but you know Swift is is still squishy and and generally more potable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► but but but Swift is a much better fit the whole idea of so many things mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► value types and swift like not that that is a direct parallel to the idea of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► UI state being a valued and everything but i just shows that the headspace like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► whereas with that in terms of like immutable data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► well it is it is much more on the Riak side of things in Objective C is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► subjective thing is all but everything to mutate and hey just declared a type I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► like no you know we're going to end things down a lot of things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► reference types of becoming value types just because we've learned that in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► string reference type just leaves in or headaches and don't forget to copy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► and you know like that is the mindset of swift and so something using the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► ideas and react in a st. display kid written entirely in swift would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► very interesting successor to both you I can get from Apple so someone should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► start writing that now and for years get back to me and give me reason to expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► that to be a yes or three sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► igloo hover and automatic and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin because it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5193">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► what we talked about what is this about you really get into this go thing yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► I'm getting faster with it now and today was the first I like my my previous the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► the polar to feed polar that's just one giant file I didn't want to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► you know how do I break up things in your files and manage that in go because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► it fit you know it's it's a pretty long files and I should bring up now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► longer ones I like you know finalized actually need to be in the in the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► fully but that's as you know so tonight I was working on something else so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► have these and these two servers at high velocity they bought their lowest are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► started leasing per month by month ago and I haven't done anything with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► yet because I I bought them because they were having an insane sale that was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► ridiculous for what you get for both hardware and bandwidth we're now I for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► few hundred dollars a month I now have an unmetered Gigabit of transfer a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► unmetered transfer what I asked them I'm like it before but unlike ours so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► know what's your actual policy like if I actually use all this what if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► hosting big podcast value of if I made a podcast file hosts for whoever else like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► you know if we actually used all this ballot would you cut it off for it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:58 ◼ ► and they're like nope we actually like you can use it that's the point so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5338">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► it's it's it's a pair of machines that are each 500 megabit and they're each as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► good as roughly as good as a six core Mac Pro dual SSD is raid with RAID 1 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► gigs of ram I mean it's insane machines six-core Xeon 1663 is actually faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► than the current Mac Pro CD is the Metra seem to have skipped a generation which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► they sometimes do so I'm not surprised but there is a newer version of the Xeon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► chips at the Met per uses that is out right now that Apple has not updated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► and seems like there probably is not going to at this point anyway so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► one thing I want to do is and the reason why I was so interested in having tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► and tons of bandwidth available is I want to be able to launch a Twitter card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► for overcast player pages so that you so that people who present Twitter app can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5395">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► play the podcast right there and Twitter cards store cards require that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► assets that are loaded with in them including media files are served over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► HTTPS some podcast host supporters TPS for their files but most adult so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► so the first thing a lot of the right was an HTTPS proxy and there are few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► these exist there's one called out as one that get her brood in Tahoe merit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► sorry forgot the name anyway so there's there's that one that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► briefly to make it for images but same way I decided to try to write that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► good basic as a proxy and it's it's so it's nothing it's like a hundred lie to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► me it's it's almost nothing it's great and I also have a few other things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► wanted to try the I mentioned last week that I was using image extra my son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► nailing but it was costing me a fortune so I'm moving my artwork from Taylor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5454">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► these boxes as well so I wrote just one go program that contains those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► functions the proxy and the other just those two functions including it listens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► of Rick's DPS and its own services no server to forever there's no engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► extra patchy or anything reverse proxying to its just its own server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► wrong right to the internet and that's all these boxes do is run this program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► so I'm hopefully going to be playing that the next day or so then it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► take long to write it sounds like a few days I've been sick so my my work hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► I can I can only work a few hours of time before I get laid out which really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► sucks but I'm extremely annoyed about that that is by far the worst part about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► being sick is is not how I feel it's that I can't work like that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► drives me nuts the most anyway so that's at least so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► if I was working full time at full capacity is from going to take only two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► days it has actually taken something like four days but so how does your go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► server handle the like quite understand the concurrency model of how does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► handle like you know they're more incoming connections then like it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► it does do multiple processes there a single process event driven what does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► look like on the machine it it can do multiple cores but it is it is also seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► its for the most part of single process of entering its they use this kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► forgive me anyone who is an expert listening I'm not an expert yet on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► this is a newbie overview of what are the way it works but the uses these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:35 ◼ ► include good routines which which are these you know kind of the Reds during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5555">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► sequential processes or something like that yes I am i that so it's those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:44 ◼ ► things and it basically a very lightweight thread that exists within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5564">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► the app space it is not a little threat so how does it behave like at the limit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► of you overwhelmed with connections to just wait does they do you exhaust like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► number of you know I was looking at the behavior it limits like this only reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► I would ever put another server in front of like well I know how whatever will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► behave I can set these limits the number of connections I know people wait I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► what will happen I know when people start getting timeouts connection like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► whatever whatever the failure mode is i cant use my failure mode and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► know what the hell you wrote it all goes it never used it I so I I was earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► today to try to figure out why do I need to put engine X in front of it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► something I can I just go without it the responses to that question were for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► most part a few people who did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:33 ◼ ► who just did it brought the internet who said its fine a few people who said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5613">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► should put in connection front of it because of separation of roles which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► think is total BS honestly that that is not a good like the way those arguments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► presented none of them convince me that they were valid arguments that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► not like there's nothing saying that having engine X reverse proxying to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:58 ◼ ► go server is any more of a purity of roles than having to go server serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5638">TS</a>]
01:34:05 ◼ ► has functionality built into the language like it's not the only reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5645">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► can think of her like the old reason they were used to run proxy server is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:11 ◼ ► that if you don't want to slow down the process with a bunch of your clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5651">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► have slow connections you don't want to tie up your backend process doling out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► bits to the slow connections between an event driven thing that's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:27 ◼ ► valid anymore but you're not talking it up you doing out but slowly doing other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5667">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► things you know multithreaded then moving on to the next thing right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► and like and the way like it seems like you would like the difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► engine X being tied up with those connections and go be entitled to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► because they both have that same event driven style model I don't think one to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► be substantially better than the other that yeah and the failure modes the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► question for me is like does Google put anything in front of its service when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► really cool doesn't do it which I suspect they don't because it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► those designed to do this then like Google side doing it you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► do anything like their it if it's able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► designed to handle the traffic that Google expects surely you can do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► podcast image thing about having to go out talk during the day I know nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► about this I'll be interested to see what the results are experimentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► that's probably about as simple just because Google is such an incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:21 ◼ ► skill they have lots of stuff in between the public Internet and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5721">TS</a>]
01:35:26 ◼ ► application server so that that's probably about example but I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5726">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► interested to see like you know medium sized sites to see like what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► like Google do they intentionally put a layer there whose only purpose is to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► you know I mean like I respect of the machines of their things are running on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:44 ◼ ► the go process is listening on the parts and yes there's nothing between but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5744">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► do they do they strive and Jackson there is essentially a proxy server for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► it makes much more sense to do that if you have a multi-process back and do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► think he would be tying up the entire trial process when really you just put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► big buffer in the proxy have the child process should bite out of the proxy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:04 ◼ ► then that child process is free to serve another request while the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5764">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► forward old up as business local that's like nineteen nineties error of state of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► the art web technology but we've done from the right then and there was I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:14 ◼ ► there was one benchmark that somebody posted where they they they should they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5774">TS</a>]
01:36:18 ◼ ► should have the code the use and there are few if you complain in the Commons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5778">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► but it seemed pretty pretty valid where they they benchmarks like a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► simple go program like a hello world kind of thing really simple go program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► raw vs and connects with a few different configurations and tweaks and the ngo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► program just had it destroyed engine X in in in request rate per second with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:42 ◼ ► either a be or whether they're similar tools it was WAY faster with just pure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5802">TS</a>]
01:36:46 ◼ ► go cause of course it's doing less like and your synchronizing to event driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5806">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► things like one thing is handling and they're not going to be in sync of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:54 ◼ ► when 1 I'm doing the work on behalf of this request then handing out like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► just you're just it's not just adding overhead it's like these 2d synchronized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:01 ◼ ► event driven things trying to talk to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5821">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► exactly so that's what I mean so what these servers are set up they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► have none of my app on them they don't have any access to my main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:14 ◼ ► infrastructure they don't they don't even read the database they they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5834">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► have anything on them except this go program there's they don't even have PHP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:21 ◼ ► installed so they don't even have private net access that of the line owed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5841">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► servers they have no connection whatsoever to the app just my app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:31 ◼ ► able to write its files into it and it only has the Gulf I also like the risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5851">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► of these things it comprises pretty small and if they go down the these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:40 ◼ ► really kind of accessory features its I'm gonna have a CDN effort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5860">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► artwork thumbnail her anyway I'm not much of a CDN in front of the park has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► been with the podcast SSL thing for two reasons number 12 bandwidth costs of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:55 ◼ ► extraordinary and I don't think I would be able to afford it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5875">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► number to the way this is working overcast does not proxy the files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:04 ◼ ► and I only want to use this in areas where SSL really required for usability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5884">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► or functionality so that would be things like Twitter cards the web player to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► avoid mix content warnings things like that in reality that's not most uses of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► overcast that's not most players and it will never be but regardless I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► don't wanna like steel hits from people's files and so the way they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► set up that there is absolutely no caching of that some proxies assets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► every request that is made through that proxy has a has a corresponding request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:40 ◼ ► that the origin server and and I know you know they're probably not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5920">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► count my IP is unique I am sending the exported for an extra IP headers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► the standard for proxies I would imagine like to prevent fraudulent download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► count increases most at services probably ignore those are some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5935">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► big hosokawa I already talked to his lips in and I know SoundCloud I won't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► don't need to use it with them because I know how I know how to do secure URLs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► for them reliably so that that should be fine but either way I still want like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► still want the damage to be counted in some way as as much as possible for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► origin servers so anyway there's no cash involved there that's intentional but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► for the art work there is cash involved there's gonna be a CD in front of it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► if these servers go down for any reason it's not gonna be a massive deal it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► not gonna be like the whole app stops working or something big is like ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► and broken it's gonna be a really small deal and so I'm just gonna try it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► you know I have just this 17 megabyte go binary to to put into service and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► it there's no dependencies there's no at this very much if there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► configuration really the only sensitive thing on there is gonna be the private [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► key to the SSL certificate that uses that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► like so I will be interesting that was much more in depth than I expected that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► what's going on titles I think minutiae that has to mean that has to be it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► binding is that's gonna break a whole bunch of podcast klein's isn't it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► shell script might break to the title yeah well it's not really on August 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:29 ◼ ► I'll use iTunes to deliver something else can you believe a lot of high-cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6029">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► producers that's how the embedded III tags is the import the mp3 into iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► and hit him and I for the info panel and type in the stuff and an expert like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► that's crazy to me that anybody does that issues mp3 rage and pretend its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► well I'm using lame on the command line which is pretending like it's 2004 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:54 ◼ ► similar area yeah exactly what the heck center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6054">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► well then you have to know UTF eight converting that that karen is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► the best one here is that is that little a simple actually pronounced like shake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► dat the let me know how to pronounce the little well depends on what language you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► talking about if you're talking about Latin or Greek which is probably where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► it's from the answer is nobody actually knows and everyone's gonna think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:25 ◼ ► know and they're making it up so I think we'll use the wonderful a ligature and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6085">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► we will just tolerate the emails they come in because we love everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► email so much going to be able to tell you that I think it is a litre isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► I don't know I'm just speculating about potential you know we could get as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► Holgate in the chatroom points out the HTML entity name for it is 80 leg so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► pretty sure that the ligature I don't know I don't know the technology you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► know it's fun to type face and everything that lots of distinctions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRDsv7Q/6117">TS</a>]