00:00:00 ◼ ► from relay this is connected episode 547 today's show is brought to you by netsuit zocdoc and ecam i'm your annual chairman federico vittici and it's my pleasure to be joined as always by steven hackett hello steven hello federico how are you i'm good it's you and me again it is you know yeah mike will be back
00:00:29 ◼ ► soon maybe and next week you have a special guest yes i do it's gonna be good because you you will be you will be doing something else and so i will have a special guest yeah in the show yeah me and a bunch of relay people and a bunch of other people are attending a conference at saint jude next week so very fancy very fancy yeah um steven do we have follow-up do we ever federico okay okay we're gonna start with mesas i know
00:00:59 ◼ ► oh god this is this is the last time okay i'm putting a cap on the mesa turret plateau conversation after this
00:01:10 ◼ ► uh sepe wrote in uh when we were talking about the macbook pro and like how hdmi is important but it's
00:01:17 ◼ ► also one of the thickest things on the side of the laptop uh they recommended an hdmi mesa you just have a
00:01:24 ◼ ► little that makes me think of like the the pc laptops that have like the camera it's like an
00:01:30 ◼ ► opposite notch like it's like a tab at the top of the lid you know i'm talking about you've seen these
00:01:37 ◼ ► this is horrible it's a bad idea bad idea andy wrote in okay that's all it's andy said hi no andy said
00:01:49 ◼ ► continuing the saga on the camera mesa plateau turret i want to chime in that the turret terminology
00:01:56 ◼ ► discussed in last week's episode is inspired by a contraption known as the lens turret oh no it is an
00:02:03 ◼ ► attachment that allows the operator to quickly rotate between different lenses without having to go through
00:02:08 ◼ ► the typical process of removing and inserting lenses i looked this up this is uh horrific right
00:02:18 ◼ ► it's pretty upsetting yeah yeah it looks like the eyes of a spider yeah to me yeah it's a spider-ish
00:02:28 ◼ ► contraption going on it is there'll be a link i don't like it there'll be a link to an article about it
00:02:34 ◼ ► if you have the thing what is it called with the eyeballs freak you out uh i don't know i don't know
00:02:41 ◼ ► i don't know about the eyeballs i don't i know about the holes that's what i'm thinking of i think it's
00:02:46 ◼ ► kind of the same thing is it trip trip of tryptophobia trypophobia is that's the holes though it's
00:02:55 ◼ ► what zoe says yeah yeah i mean what are lenses except holes for light we don't need to get into this
00:03:03 ◼ ► again okay well you remember when we were talking about like the eyeballs are actually holes in your
00:03:08 ◼ ► eyes oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah yeah oh thank you andy um for the useful slightly terrifying feedback
00:03:20 ◼ ► yeah andrew wrote in uh federico mentioned the idea of a ui that sort of looks at your surroundings
00:03:27 ◼ ► and integrates it into what's on screen this made me think about how true tone will change
00:03:33 ◼ ► the white balance on your screen depending on the warmth of your ambient lighting perhaps
00:03:38 ◼ ► new iphones will have truer tone which gathers the other colors of your surroundings somehow
00:03:47 ◼ ► or they could you know if it's multiple colors they could just call it true tones see plural
00:03:56 ◼ ► true like problem solved uh i love it i like the idea i like the idea like it would be so apple to come
00:04:05 ◼ ► up with like some weird technology like some i don't know i'm probably making this word up like some
00:04:11 ◼ ► spectrometer thing that like can gather the colors of your surroundings without actually being a camera
00:04:23 ◼ ► steven you're a man of you're you're a handy person sure you know you can you can work with things with
00:04:31 ◼ ► your hands have you ever needed like a custom color of paint yeah yeah just a couple weeks ago actually
00:04:39 ◼ ► okay so isn't a spectrometer like the the thing like it's it's a piece of equipment that sort of can scan
00:04:47 ◼ ► a color and reproduce it yeah in paint yep i think that's what it is like it would be so apple to take
00:04:54 ◼ ► a technology that is totally unrelated to smartphones and use it for ui design it would be cool there's
00:05:03 ◼ ► different types of spectrometers one of them spectrometers yes uh yes i had this recently i needed
00:05:10 ◼ ► uh to match paint on something so i took a little piece of wood up to the hardware store and i said i
00:05:16 ◼ ► need paint that looks like this yeah they stuck it in a machine they mixed me some paint and it looked
00:05:21 ◼ ► pretty good honestly i think i think i've designed a better iphone 17 pro than apple you know just in
00:05:28 ◼ ► talking about these rumors on connected yeah i now think this is the phone i want and it's not going to
00:05:33 ◼ ► be the phone i'm gonna get so that makes me a little sad um anyway thank you andrew thank you
00:05:40 ◼ ► and lastly we have feedback from alex wrote in uh enjoyed the special april 1st episode do you know
00:05:47 ◼ ► what that is refers to that we didn't do anything weird last week i i no idea well alex maybe got us
00:05:56 ◼ ► confused with another show yeah sure surely if the macbook pro becomes thinner the logical way to retain
00:06:03 ◼ ► the hdmi port is via a special door like the original macbook airports wait what's a special door do you
00:06:10 ◼ ► remember this on the original macbook air okay back in 2008 they had a little flip down door on the right
00:06:18 ◼ ► hand side and in that flip down door was a headphone jack a usb port and your display out
00:06:26 ◼ ► huh little door on the right macbook air what's it called flip out door yeah yeah i think i think door is fine
00:06:34 ◼ ► uh let's see oh oh i see it's like a little flap well yeah like a little okay little uh that's cool
00:06:44 ◼ ► they should bring it back a little thing did you let me ask you that did you like it when you had it
00:06:50 ◼ ► uh so i i did have an original macbook air for just a little while the job i was working at the time
00:06:57 ◼ ► was when i was consulting and we had one come in i was like oh i'm gonna use this because it's like
00:07:04 ◼ ► thin and light like the new hotness and then i realized that in my job at the time i really needed
00:07:08 ◼ ► firewire so i turned it back in and went back to a macbook pro the door was it was a clever way
00:07:15 ◼ ► to solve the problem that this laptop was like too curvy for ports but it didn't last very long
00:07:21 ◼ ► right because when they redesigned it to the good one a couple years later they just had
00:07:24 ◼ ► regular ports on it and i don't know how fragile it was the original macbook air its problem other than
00:07:31 ◼ ► overheating was that the hinges were kind of weak and so you could break the hinges on a macbook air
00:07:37 ◼ ► pretty easily as they aged i think the door was relatively resilient but i don't think this is the
00:07:43 ◼ ► solution apple's going to go with yeah i don't think so it'll be cool though like a little flip
00:07:49 ◼ ► outdoor little flip outdoor uh i got a merch update okay two two actually uh connected merch if you
00:07:58 ◼ ► ordered it is is mailing out i got mine yesterday it all looks really good super exciting thank you to
00:08:10 ◼ ► uh and then due to uh i don't want to say overwhelming demand due to some demand a relay has a new hat with
00:08:20 ◼ ► a new logo on it so and you can get it you can get it in in camo because mike's gone he can't tell me
00:08:27 ◼ ► what to do no i like the the model names like dad hat trucker hat yeah are are dad hats and trucker hats
00:08:37 ◼ ► different trucker hats are like mesh on the back dad hat is like cloth all the way around got it got
00:08:44 ◼ ► nice okay and uh snapback trucker hat with braid and then baseball cap which i'm i'm not really sure
00:08:52 ◼ ► the difference between a baseball cap and a dad hat but they look slightly different and are available
00:08:57 ◼ ► and slightly different colors speaking of colors steven can we talk about 512 pixels yeah each one
00:09:06 ◼ ► individually well yes let's let's start and we can get through you know probably 32 of them today
00:09:13 ◼ ► yeah what do you want to know so so i redesigned yeah well you have you have you have a new design
00:09:20 ◼ ► uh like uh it looks great thank you very very very retro i don't know very like very sort of 90s
00:09:29 ◼ ► apple vibes i i maybe it's the font i think it's the serif font that you're now using how how did this
00:09:35 ◼ ► come together so yes so i will say i was aiming for like 90s kind of look both with the color
00:09:44 ◼ ► and the the typeface which is a version of garamond it's not exactly the garamond apple used but it's
00:09:53 ◼ ► as close as i could get on google fonts and uh yeah so the the structure of the site's the same like
00:10:05 ◼ ► but new new colors uh the the new use of garamond and a new logo by our friend jelly who does all
00:10:14 ◼ ► the saint jude artwork uh for our campaign uh jelly did that mac for me and uh yeah i'm super happy with
00:10:21 ◼ ► it it it was a big change this is the first design of 512 pixels in a in like well over a decade
00:10:28 ◼ ► that doesn't have uh orange in the design uh actually going back i was looking back to screenshots the site
00:10:36 ◼ ► has always had orange initially it was just for links and then it kind of became the predominant color
00:10:41 ◼ ► especially in the navigation on the the most previous design to this uh but this is uh this is
00:10:48 ◼ ► now sort of a new era of this like this kind of blue cooler scheme with uh serif fonts and
00:10:56 ◼ ► there was a version that was all serifs and it was too much like it was too much and so
00:11:03 ◼ ► stuck with sans serif for the uh the body copy and i think it's a nice mix and yeah i feel like it does
00:11:10 ◼ ► kind of kind of feels like the 90s in here and that's that's what i that's what i wanted this time
00:11:15 ◼ ► around yeah it looks great well done thank you uh i did it all myself um for the first time in a long
00:11:24 ◼ ► time i think we've talked about this in the past i like finding uh folks to work on you know bespoke
00:11:31 ◼ ► wordpress sites can be tricky uh but this time because this is basically just a reskinning like
00:11:36 ◼ ► the structure of the theme is the same i was able to to do all this and that that was fun too like
00:11:42 ◼ ► really kind of getting uh getting my hands dirty in wordpress for the first time in a while was uh
00:11:48 ◼ ► was a lot of fun a lot of github uh commits you know just like change a few little things and commit
00:11:54 ◼ ► it so i could roll it back because i'm always a little unsure when i'm working on things like this but
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00:13:49 ◼ ► we got big thunderbolt news and you're just the man to talk to talk to about it yes cal digit announced
00:14:00 ◼ ► the ts5 and ts5 plus their new thunderbolt 5 docks i currently use the cal digit ts4 so up until this
00:14:12 ◼ ► announcement the the most recent cal digit is the most recent cal digit dock and it allows me to have
00:14:17 ◼ ► my macbook pro and everything on my desk is powered through that dock so the display the stream deck my
00:14:24 ◼ ► audio gear everything passes through the cal digit and i gotta say it has been it has been a rock solid
00:14:33 ◼ ► it has never let me down never same same same i'm even using it with like a power adapter plug because
00:14:43 ◼ ► i bought it from the us so it doesn't have an italian plug and i'm you know i'm using the like a thing
00:14:48 ◼ ► from amazon so and i was concerned oh is this gonna do something to the you know to the to the current
00:14:54 ◼ ► no it's been absolutely rock solid i've been using this thing for like four years or something at this
00:14:59 ◼ ► point going through multiple iterations of all the computers that i've used you know a mac and then an
00:15:05 ◼ ► ipad and then a microsoft surface like always it always worked it's incredible it's the it's sort of the
00:15:14 ◼ ► promise of thunderbolt right that this one connection can carry so many things and there are other and
00:15:22 ◼ ► honestly less expensive versions of this out there of like thunderbolt docks but it is definitely one
00:15:30 ◼ ► of those things that you get what you pay for and like i said the cal digit like i don't even think
00:15:36 ◼ ► about it federico it just like i can't see it it's like on the corner of my desk behind my laptop and
00:15:41 ◼ ► yeah it just does its thing it's like a piece of furniture which is exactly what i want
00:15:46 ◼ ► yeah so these new ones they come in two versions yeah and i kind of want to talk about these we use
00:15:52 ◼ ► to sort of understand which one do we need because i do think i'm going to upgrade um because you know
00:15:58 ◼ ► i want to take advantage of thunderbolt 5 and i'm realistically i think i'm going to get a thunderbolt 5
00:16:03 ◼ ► compatible monitor at some point later this year so uh we have the the ts5 and ts5 plus obviously the ts5
00:16:10 ◼ ► plus we'll get to in a minute it costs more neither of these are cheap uh like you're looking at the ts5
00:16:17 ◼ ► uh 369 or 349 euros uh and the plus is 499 or 460 euros so so you know there is a bit of a price difference
00:16:32 ◼ ► for a reason yeah so the standard ts5 we're looking at uh vanilla thunderbolt 5 compatibility uh
00:16:40 ◼ ► 140 140 140 watt charging so that allows you to charge at the maximum allowed speed a 16 inch
00:16:48 ◼ ► macbook pro like high-end the one that supports 140 watts you can charge it it's got pass-through
00:16:55 ◼ ► charging up to 100 uh 140 watts it takes advantage of the full thunderbolt 5 bandwidth so the 80 gigabit per
00:17:03 ◼ ► second boosting up to 120 gigabit per second uh it's which is wild yeah uh so fast it's it's obviously
00:17:12 ◼ ► compatible with a previous versions of thunderbolt as well as usb 4 v2 which we don't need to get into
00:17:19 ◼ ► the weird names of usb again we don't have time for that we don't have time for that you're looking at
00:17:26 ◼ ► support for two 8k displays at 60 hertz or i believe it's three 4k 120 i think i'm a math right yeah um
00:17:43 ◼ ► it's it's got three usb ports usb c ports at 10 gigabit per second and one usb c port that can charge
00:17:54 ◼ ► downstream at 20 watts and that's and that's without the computer present so what's cool about this uh
00:18:02 ◼ ► this 20 watt port and then on the the nicer one it's uh 36 watts is that those work as long as the
00:18:09 ◼ ► dock is powered so if you use this to like charge your phone or your ipad and you get up and like
00:18:17 ◼ ► take your laptop with you the thing will keep charging which is pretty cool yeah the ts5 has
00:18:24 ◼ ► 2.5 gigabit ethernet yep same as the ts4 i've got 2.5 and it's great yeah it comes with its own um
00:18:32 ◼ ► compact uh power supply 240 watts uh what else supports the uh sd cards with the uh uhs2 standard micro sd
00:18:44 ◼ ► uh yeah that's pretty much about it yeah you can also plug in an ssd in it and it supports um
00:18:52 ◼ ► uh 6.2 gigabit second uh transfer speed so that's you know pretty nice update if you're using thunderbolt 5
00:19:00 ◼ ► mm-hmm and i think for most people the standard ts5 is plenty what sets the more expensive one apart
00:19:09 ◼ ► is uh like we said the 36 watt usbc charging at the front it has 10 gigabit ethernet networking so if you have
00:19:19 ◼ ► a really fast network you can do that and it brings back display port 2.1 yeah which is a big deal
00:19:27 ◼ ► because it allows you to connect a whole bunch of like different peripherals right yeah and a whole
00:19:31 ◼ ► bunch of different displays i saw in the promo video that um this this fancier one you can do like things
00:19:39 ◼ ► like you can plug in monitors that support refresh rates like 544 hertz like something like that which
00:19:47 ◼ ► is in like i i don't like i'm not sure like like you gotta be you gotta be to have that kind of display
00:19:57 ◼ ► you gotta be a professional gamer i'm guessing and you gotta have a modern windows pc that has the complete
00:20:04 ◼ ► thunderbolt 5 spec and so in that case like you can imagine like a razer laptop or something
00:20:10 ◼ ► you could you could plug it into the ts5 plus and do your gaming you know do your call of duty or fortnite
00:20:18 ◼ ► on a 540 hertz refresh rate monitor which sounds wild and it is uh i think obviously most you know apple users
00:20:26 ◼ ► will just have like i think most people will just buy like a 240 hertz or even like 120 hertz refresh rate
00:20:33 ◼ ► display and it'll look great but in this case with this with this version version of the ts5 you can go
00:20:40 ◼ ► yeah the plus also has this cool trick where it actually has two usb controllers inside so it's got
00:20:48 ◼ ► a total of 20 ports it's got more usb a more usb ports and then it has the display port which we just talked
00:20:56 ◼ ► about but it means that all those ports can run at full speed and that there's not like uh contention in
00:21:03 ◼ ► there in terms of i've got everything plugged in like how do i negotiate the speeds like i said i think
00:21:09 ◼ ► for most people the ts5 at 369 if you need something like this is the way to go but the ts5 plus is
00:21:21 ◼ ► serious like it really kind of ups the game of what's doable uh and having 10 gig networking is really nice
00:21:28 ◼ ► like currently if you want that cal digit sells a standalone like 10 gigabit to thunderbolt adapter
00:21:34 ◼ ► ubiquity also has one uh as do other brands but to have 10 gig built into the dock you're already using
00:21:42 ◼ ► that list is really short and yet most people can't take advantage of 10 10 gig networking at their desk
00:21:49 ◼ ► but having 2.5 at my desk has been really sweet i've got that uh through my just through my single
00:21:56 ◼ ► thunderbolt cable and these things look great now they are expensive and the big one uh
00:22:03 ◼ ► the word compact is suspiciously missing from the power supply it's 330 watts it's going to be a a big
00:22:12 ◼ ► a big chunky thing i know the one for the ts4 is huge but it's you know pushing out 140 watts of power to
00:22:20 ◼ ► your laptop 36 watts out the front uh all these other thunderbolt ports stuff like they have power going
00:22:26 ◼ ► out it it really is doing a lot of things and these sorts of products like it is the dream to like
00:22:34 ◼ ► take your laptop and turn it into a desktop with one cable which i feel like from the very beginning
00:22:41 ◼ ► thunderbolt promised and i feel like with maybe thunderbolt 3 for the first time was actually doable
00:22:47 ◼ ► but now it's like it's like it's what i want to do like i want to have just one cable going to my macbook
00:22:56 ◼ ► and and that power everything else hmm now i i don't know i think i'm leaning ts5 plus yeah i can see the
00:23:06 ◼ ► the display port i think matters more to you i'm using a studio display that just has a thunderbolt cable going to
00:23:20 ◼ ► uh deeper waters when it comes to your displays i do dabble yeah i do yeah yeah i think i think
00:23:29 ◼ ► yeah um yeah i think it's because of the display port for sure yeah and the ts4 has a display port i think
00:23:40 ◼ ► yeah but not like this it's not 2.1 not 2.1 2.1 is some serious bandwidth and and like you said
00:23:47 ◼ ► you can run multiple displays at a slower refresh rate or like one at the 540 or whatever that's
00:23:55 ◼ ► because like display port gives you a set amount of data and that data can be allotted in different
00:24:00 ◼ ► ways is it resolution or is it speed and you can basically have different kind of presets along that
00:24:06 ◼ ► that spectrum but you know mac users we don't get to play and display port land very much uh it doesn't
00:24:13 ◼ ► look like there's an oled monitor at 540 hertz that i that you can purchase yeah it's pretty that's pretty
00:24:20 ◼ ► fast for oled isn't it you can purchase it seems an oled 360 hertz from asus okay how much does that thing run
00:24:31 ◼ ► uh where is it uh 800 euros that's not too bad no that's that i thought it would start i thought it'd be
00:24:42 ◼ ► four figures i just i found an alienware so that's a dell yeah right yes it's a dell dude it's that um
00:24:50 ◼ ► qd oled 360 hertz 27 inches uh 800 euros wow that's that's pretty good that's pretty good uh
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00:27:02 ◼ ► i thought we could do something fun with uh ios 19 rumors there's there's ongoing rumors and leaks and
00:27:14 ◼ ► people doing screenshots and renders and all sorts of stuff about this about this um this redesign
00:27:22 ◼ ► what is a leak anymore right yeah that that's a whole separate conversation and i see this like
00:27:28 ◼ ► renders being passed around as leaks like that's not a leak that's a reconstruction of something that
00:27:35 ◼ ► you've seen uh anyway we don't need to get into the semantics of it all no no but we're going to turn
00:27:41 ◼ ► this into a game so uh uh julie clover over at mac rumors had this blog post up on tuesday outlining
00:27:53 ◼ ► half a dozen or so things that that uh is are believed to come with ios 19 so i'm just going
00:28:00 ◼ ► to read this list to you and then then i'll explain the game that i've thought of okay so point one vision
00:28:06 ◼ ► os like design with translucency number two a glassier look uh with quote menu elements that
00:28:22 ◼ ► number four more rounded expanding buttons so you could have a button that you then you touch
00:28:31 ◼ ► or haptic touch and it expands and it's all nice and round looking uh the next one pill shaped tab bars
00:28:39 ◼ ► so uh and it's pointed out in this story that the app store and apple music and apple tv
00:28:50 ◼ ► uh round app icons which feels like a really big change simplified navigation and controls
00:28:59 ◼ ► and then lastly cross-platform cohesiveness so that these design changes aren't just an ios
00:29:08 ◼ ► but ipad os and mac os will get the same overhauled look so what i want to do federico is i want to rank
00:29:17 ◼ ► these items uh based on the order of most likely to least likely i just want to tell you that some
00:29:28 ◼ ► people in discord are already referring to this game as the leakies so i'm just saying well that's the name
00:29:44 ◼ ► how likely they're gonna be yeah and i guess so is this gonna be like a proper game where there's
00:29:53 ◼ ► gonna be a winner like you and i are gonna rank differently or is this gonna be like a joint
00:29:59 ◼ ► ranking and somehow i'm not sure how but somehow our adversary is mike when he comes back yeah that
00:30:12 ◼ ► become a thing then uh then maybe we can like do some real rules around it once he's back
00:30:20 ◼ ► okay so this is a this is a like like an open draft for the leakies okay okay we're brainstorming the
00:30:27 ◼ ► leakies all right um okay so what do you think is the most likely out of all of these things
00:30:41 ◼ ► let me make my case for it i guess and then i i want to hear what you think of your most likely and
00:30:46 ◼ ► we can come to a decision so john prosser in the front page tech video mentioned that they saw whatever
00:31:26 ◼ ► it's scared trans translated in in simple terms and less um youtubery terms i think that
00:31:36 ◼ ► means it was an animation bug where they long pressed on an icon and the shape of the icon glitched out
00:31:51 ◼ ► that's what i read that it was a you know don't get sniped over your shoulder kind of thing
00:31:56 ◼ ► right unless you long press in public in the case you know not no long pressing in public for apple
00:32:04 ◼ ► engineers uh only on zoom calls or whatever um but let me let me say this actually mkbhd uh tweeted this
00:32:14 ◼ ► today uh and just as i was thinking about this so i added it to our notes i think i agree with marques
00:32:20 ◼ ► i think it's kind of hilarious that we're making such a big deal of apple doing custom shape like new
00:32:26 ◼ ► shapes for icons on ios when it's been totally the norm on android for like a decade um not just to have
00:32:34 ◼ ► round icons but to be able to customize the shapes of the icons um the the multiple different
00:32:41 ◼ ► forks and versions of android like you know samsung's one um uh but the the oneplus one the the lenovo one
00:32:50 ◼ ► like each of these companies they have their own take on letting you customize these shapes of the icons
00:32:56 ◼ ► and it's no big deal you can choose to have a squircle you can choose to have a proper like round rack
00:33:01 ◼ ► you can choose to have a circle you can choose to have something that they call cookie shape
00:33:05 ◼ ► um and and it's been totally the norm and interesting enough just a couple of weeks ago
00:33:11 ◼ ► we saw this rumor that google is also supposedly bringing back with android 16 which is currently in
00:33:18 ◼ ► beta and launching at some point in june i think then bringing back this old android 11 feature
00:33:24 ◼ ► uh that was later removed they're bringing it back for 16 and it's a feature that lets you go in
00:33:30 ◼ ► settings and customize the shapes the shapes of the icons on your android home screen choosing from a
00:33:36 ◼ ► few presets like um ios style round rack circle uh what's it called like um cookie style with four
00:33:45 ◼ ► cookie style with six uh like you got a bunch of different options basically um and here's why i think
00:33:52 ◼ ► this is likely not just because google is doing it and not just because it's popular on android
00:33:57 ◼ ► apple already has that kind of customization menu right there on the home screen they already have
00:34:06 ◼ ► a ui element that lets you long press on the home screen right now you just get the menu to
00:34:12 ◼ ► choose whether you want to use the small icons the big icons or the what's it called like the the dark
00:34:20 ◼ ► automatic and tinted yeah just make that pop-up a little bit taller and add a shape option wow that's
00:34:29 ◼ ► it so really you're not saying round up icons maybe you're saying customizable customizable icon shapes
00:34:38 ◼ ► which is not like this is my flavor of it sure but i'm happy to go with like uh whatever is in the in
00:34:47 ◼ ► the leakies document like um round up icons maybe yeah i mean the way that it's phrased round up icons
00:34:54 ◼ ► maybe it's perfect uh but this is why i think it's likely because that ui is already there and it's
00:35:00 ◼ ► kind of empty right now i could see apple sort of fill out that menu with a new option in 19 which is now
00:35:06 ◼ ► you can choose to make your icons even more your own choosing the shape you want or something like that yeah
00:35:14 ◼ ► you know your passion has won me over so i'm okay with it being at the top okay uh so okay why not
00:35:44 ◼ ► some sheen some you know some translucency i think that the the the flat design that we've had which has
00:35:54 ◼ ► evolved i mean you look at ios 7 and ios 18 they are radically different but i think a little depth a
00:36:01 ◼ ► little texture a little sort of material is is due and i think it's going to look pretty nice
00:36:07 ◼ ► yeah i think it's likely uh we've had this conversation about apple doing all that work
00:36:14 ◼ ► on vision os and it would be a shame if that work just stayed and that style just stayed within the
00:36:21 ◼ ► constraints of vision os yeah if we are pulling that forward i think it also like it goes in tandem with
00:36:29 ◼ ► the vision as like design with the translucency i think so too like i think these two things are
00:36:35 ◼ ► related right uh whether apple decides to be fancy about it with my theoretical sensor for understanding
00:36:43 ◼ ► the context of your surroundings or not true or tone true or two tones like depending on what you want
00:36:49 ◼ ► to call them yeah um i think they go together like the glacier look and the vision os like design those
00:36:57 ◼ ► two things are yeah related and because of this i think there would be an argument to also pull forward
00:37:05 ◼ ► the cross-platform cohesiveness it's that's kind of in the definition right i think the big question there
00:37:12 ◼ ► is what about the mac like ipad os and iphone os they're gonna look the same right they're they're
00:37:19 ◼ ► basically the same operating system but uh the mac i think is is sort of the wild card and what what
00:37:27 ◼ ► comes to mind for me is the ios 7 change ios 7 came out and mac os 10 that you're i think was mavericks
00:37:37 ◼ ► it had the old it had like the lion uh you know what was after lion gosh sea lion you know like that
00:37:47 ◼ ► mountain lion mountain lion uh the sea lion was the joke in the keynote so that's what where my brain
00:37:53 ◼ ► always goes you know it took a year and then mac os got flat and they used helvetica as system font for
00:37:59 ◼ ► like one year and then uh and then san francisco was ready so i could see the mac lagging behind again
00:38:07 ◼ ► just but but you know that's a single point that's not a trend necessarily but i think in general like
00:38:14 ◼ ► the end of this iphone ipad vision and probably tv os really all look much more closely related i mean
00:38:24 ◼ ► that's the whole goal like anytime anyone reports on this like apple's goal is to make them more cohesive
00:38:29 ◼ ► like if you're doing this stuff that is what's going to happen so yeah that that like glassier look
00:38:36 ◼ ► vision os design with translucency cross-platform cohesiveness those are all kind of like three sides of a
00:38:42 ◼ ► coin are you getting it these are not three separate things these are not three separate design briefs
00:38:50 ◼ ► it's one design brief okay yeah vision os yeah um yeah um so these last four yeah i want to pull up
00:39:03 ◼ ► pill-shaped tab bars i think i would agree with that i would agree with that that is present on vision
00:39:11 ◼ ► os it's also present now on ipad os you know ipad os 18 yes brought the thing where like the sidebar can
00:39:18 ◼ ► become tabs across the top and those things are pill-shaped and honestly i think they look really
00:39:24 ◼ ► good and having them uh sort of populate around more places the os i think that's going to be
00:39:32 ◼ ► pretty nice and so i do you know the part of me is like a little unsure what happens like
00:39:39 ◼ ► right now like if you go in like if you go into an app like pedometer plus plus for instance right uh
00:39:46 ◼ ► you know we've got five kind of sections are all across the bottom like do those become sort of
00:39:52 ◼ ► floating at the bottom with like the background color extending past them like probably i think
00:39:56 ◼ ► that's what the the design language will call for so i think there will be a sort of natural flow to
00:40:09 ◼ ► to move to this and i think it's going to look really nice especially with like the use of
00:40:14 ◼ ► color or translucency to have that behind those controls um it's a small thing but tab bars like
00:40:22 ◼ ► once you start paying attention tab bars are all over the place in ios and i think changing that is going
00:40:29 ◼ ► that's going to really make things feel fresh let me tell you about something wild that i've noticed
00:40:35 ◼ ► over the last week on social media i have seen from some people nostalgia for get ready
00:40:44 ◼ ► do you remember the beta version of safari in ios 15 with the floating address bar at the bottom i do
00:41:03 ◼ ► finally apple is bringing back that floating top bar design that they had to scrap for safari because
00:41:11 ◼ ► people complained now they're bringing it back for top bars in ios 19 and it looks great
00:41:16 ◼ ► i don't know what these people have been consuming but could you bring some over after work
00:41:27 ◼ ► please i think i think the reason that didn't work so i'm looking at a mac rumors article that has an
00:41:33 ◼ ► example of this this didn't work because there's like no depth to it like it was just a white
00:41:40 ◼ ► round wrecked with some text in it literally just floating over the web page and it had a little bit
00:41:47 ◼ ► of shadow to it but it wasn't enough to set it apart and it was the biggest problem with it maybe these
00:41:54 ◼ ► people maybe this new generation of these new leakers and designers maybe they don't remember that that beta version of
00:42:00 ◼ ► safari in ios 15 that address bar that you so much love uh was messing with the viewport of mobile
00:42:08 ◼ ► websites yep and it was making very basic actions impossible like i remember struggling with like
00:42:14 ◼ ► the add to cart button on amazon because that top bar was constantly getting in the way and actually
00:42:21 ◼ ► yeah tech crunch has an article about this and they have a that tweet from you is in the tech
00:42:28 ◼ ► crunch article just this is you just another day being unable to order takeout because ios 15 safari
00:42:34 ◼ ► bottom bar makes this checkout button untappable thanks safari for not letting me have that bruschetta
00:42:39 ◼ ► yeah yeah yeah yeah that is hysterical so i think it was the wrong design in a browser because
00:42:47 ◼ ► like in a browser you're dealing with web pages and it's not an ecosystem that you control it's like
00:42:51 ◼ ► it may here's what i'm gonna say there may be something and i've always said this that you can
00:42:59 ◼ ► salvage from that design by the way parenthesis i think apple has landed on a really really good design
00:43:06 ◼ ► for safari after that beta so much so that other browsers have copied the design of safari for ios with
00:43:13 ◼ ► the bottom uh address bar right i think they've done an excellent job but that floating design
00:43:19 ◼ ► there may be something that you can salvage that maybe makes more sense as a top bar in native apps
00:43:28 ◼ ► because that's the kind of environment where developers can have more controls like you're
00:43:33 ◼ ► not dealing with the viewport of amazon.com you're dealing with your own ui and i'm sure
00:43:40 ◼ ► like i could see i guess what i'm saying is that i could see the potential for a top bar that
00:43:48 ◼ ► can be minimized and expanded on demand so that maybe you can have icons in a compact mode and icons
00:44:00 ◼ ► plus text labels in a full mode or that maybe it's a top bar that also lets you see some of the content
00:44:06 ◼ ► underneath but let me tell you like if it's a straight up copy of that safari design things
00:44:13 ◼ ► are going to get weird because you're going to be unable to see like you're going to have shadows
00:44:17 ◼ ► you're going to have animations constantly get in the way you're going to accidentally swipe that thing
00:44:22 ◼ ► with your finger with your thumb at the bottom of the screen all the time and i just wish that some of
00:44:26 ◼ ► these you know new leakers had a slightly better memory for what that beta of safari was actually like
00:44:32 ◼ ► yeah it was only four years ago it wasn't that far well yeah uh so i but i do think that the pill shaped
00:44:41 ◼ ► top bars rightfully should be there in there in the leakies list now now i have a problem because like
00:44:51 ◼ ► we have subtle lighting effects more rounded expanding buttons and simplified navigation
00:44:59 ◼ ► and controls and i'll just say that all these three i could see the simplified navigation going after the
00:45:05 ◼ ► top bars but the other two i absolutely have no idea yeah i could put simplified navigation i don't
00:45:12 ◼ ► really know what that means but sure like sure exactly like sure yeah sure yeah maybe buttons
00:45:20 ◼ ► look like buttons um all right so more rounded expanding buttons makes me think of path right
00:45:26 ◼ ► like you tap a button and then things fly out of it uh which is very exciting i don't know if that's
00:45:31 ◼ ► actually what's what's on uh uh what's here for this but you know the uh in this macrumors article that
00:45:41 ◼ ► we're kind of basing this on uh the photos app is brought up photos could be full screen with
00:45:45 ◼ ► controls and a slim drop down menu bar at the bottom rather than a full navigation strip like
00:45:50 ◼ ► different possible ways to interpret this um i think lighting effects where the glass would like
00:46:03 ◼ ► shimmer or like would look different with the phone moving like that's big ios 7 energy remember like
00:46:12 ◼ ► the icons would parallax over the wallpaper yeah i just don't know about that i think that could be
00:46:21 ◼ ► overdone and be kind of tacky kind of gaudy so i'm gonna put i want to put subtle lighting effects
00:46:27 ◼ ► last and put more rounded expanding buttons next to last i agree okay i think that the light like the
00:46:36 ◼ ► lighting effects well i mean happy to be proven wrong but you know if you want to make ios all shimmery i
00:46:44 ◼ ► mean be my guest uh uh but yeah so this list we're looking at from the top round app icons maybe
00:46:55 ◼ ► a glassier look vision has like design with translucency cross-platform cohesiveness pill
00:47:01 ◼ ► shaped tub bars simplified navigation and controls more rounded expanding buttons and subtle lighting
00:47:08 ◼ ► effects that's not too bad it's a good list no i continue to be excited about this though like i i
00:47:15 ◼ ► really want to see what apple's been cooking here i actually just used my vision pro for the first time
00:47:20 ◼ ► and forever the other day and in preparation for this like okay let me like relive vision
00:47:27 ◼ ► os for a little while so i spent maybe half an hour just kind of noodling around on it i was like
00:47:32 ◼ ► there's a lot of really good looking stuff in vision os like let me let me tell you about a
00:47:37 ◼ ► recent video as experience of mine i've been trying to use the vision pro as my night computer uh i think
00:47:42 ◼ ► i mentioned yeah did you slide away again with the screensaver no no here's what happened so i put on
00:47:47 ◼ ► the vision pro and i hadn't used it in a few days and so you know what happens when you don't use the
00:47:52 ◼ ► vision pro in a few days like you gotta charge it and then you know or maybe the battery is somewhat
00:47:56 ◼ ► dead and in this case it was like 10 battery i was like okay i guess i'll charge it i start using it
00:48:02 ◼ ► and at some point it just freezes like it just stops recognizing my gestures i cannot go back home
00:48:11 ◼ ► uh i cannot pinch anymore like my hands just don't get recognized anymore i was like okay i need to uh
00:48:18 ◼ ► shut this down somehow the um the shutdown menu works so i i shut it down now and this is probably my
00:48:35 ◼ ► i guess i should have googled it i didn't so i start long pressing the the top button which is not
00:48:42 ◼ ► the digital crown is the other one and i guess i long pressed too long and maybe too many times
00:48:52 ◼ ► but long story short i end up with this vision pro showing on the outer facing eyesight display
00:49:01 ◼ ► the icon of a cable connected to a mac i was like did i did i accidentally enter recovery mode
00:49:09 ◼ ► sounds like it because it was it was late at night and i was supposed to go to sleep i was like i'll
00:49:14 ◼ ► worry about this the next morning like i guess i'm not gonna use it so i googled it and i landed on a
00:49:21 ◼ ► reddit thread of course of people complaining about the same problem that they accidentally long pressed
00:49:28 ◼ ► well too long uh but it was just a matter of unplugging the battery plugging it back in
00:49:33 ◼ ► and it's not really recovery mode and a tip that i've read in that reddit section was that when you
00:49:42 ◼ ► power on a vision pro count to five when you press the top button and that's a pretty good system for
00:49:47 ◼ ► not accidentally doing what i did so whenever you need to power on the vision pro by pressing the button
00:49:53 ◼ ► count to five and not any longer than that like and it doesn't have to be a slow five like one
00:50:01 ◼ ► two like like like a normal five like a normal person five you know yeah yeah the vision pro is the
00:50:08 ◼ ► slowest computer i use like one of the things i did was like oh i should update to vision os 2.4
00:50:14 ◼ ► and they prepared that update forever like boot up takes forever i just i don't i don't get it it's
00:50:22 ◼ ► it's got an m2 in there should be plenty fast yeah well thank you for joining me on the leakies we'll see
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00:52:38 ◼ ► let me tell you let me tell you about some of the automations that have built lately before we go okay
00:52:43 ◼ ► i think i have entered one of the more creative faces of my life in terms of automation i've had some of
00:52:54 ◼ ► these faces in in my professional life uh when i started with url scheme that was a whole thing back in the
00:53:02 ◼ ► the days of launch center pro drafts um then there was the face of pythonista yeah then there was the
00:53:10 ◼ ► face of pythonista and editorial my beloved editorial of course then came workflow and that sort of began the
00:53:19 ◼ ► sort of the the modern age of automation that i do that later became shortcuts and i think i'm i've
00:53:27 ◼ ► entered this new slightly different and similar at the same time phase of the automations that i've built which
00:53:36 ◼ ► is automations plus some more scripting involved again plus some sort of ai sprinkled on top um that's
00:53:47 ◼ ► like this hybrid automation so to speak that i've been that i've been playing around with lately
00:53:52 ◼ ► and i've built a lot of uh a lot of things uh this past couple of weeks both for personal use and mac stories
00:54:01 ◼ ► use the first one i want to share uh this is a simple one i realized that i needed to this is a regular shortcut
00:54:13 ◼ ► a system to make sure that i create documents in obsidian that don't have illegal characters
00:54:22 ◼ ► in their file names that work both on ios and android turns out that ios mac os and android they have
00:54:32 ◼ ► different characters that are considered illegal characters like if you have a document that has one
00:54:38 ◼ ► one of those characters in the file name uh it's not going to sync with obsidian and it's going to tell
00:54:42 ◼ ► you you cannot use this file name and there's different characters across platforms so i created
00:54:48 ◼ ► a simple shortcut that runs as a function of all my other shortcuts it's called sanitize titles okay and
00:54:55 ◼ ► it uses it uses it uses a single regular expression that contains a whole bunch of these illegal characters
00:55:02 ◼ ► um separated by are you even slightly familiar with uh regular expressions just enough to be really really
00:55:10 ◼ ► dangerous okay so you know in regular expressions you can you can do like if this or this or this yeah and
00:55:19 ◼ ► the the the or is done by a vertical pipe character so this is basically what the regex looks like it's
00:55:27 ◼ ► a bunch of characters separated by the vertical pipe and so this shortcut is just one action it's that regular
00:55:34 ◼ ► expression and it runs as a function of my other shortcuts so for example i have a shortcut that saves a
00:55:41 ◼ ► web page in obsidian before saving the file it says okay i have this title run the sanitize titles shortcut
00:55:50 ◼ ► and then give me back an actual title that i can use that doesn't have any legal characters and this
00:55:56 ◼ ► completely fixed the issues that i was having with um some file names that work fine on ios and mac os
00:56:03 ◼ ► and others that do not work fine on android um so that's nice and especially nice how you can use the
00:56:09 ◼ ► run shortcut action to basically treat this like instead of duplicating the the same code over and
00:56:17 ◼ ► over in all of my shortcuts i can just invoke this one and it just runs externally you give it permission
00:56:23 ◼ ► once and then it always runs in the background it's cool yeah when did they add that that was just
00:56:28 ◼ ► a couple years ago oh a few few a few years ago a few years ago yeah yeah because it used to be like
00:56:34 ◼ ► in the old system and you did after you repeat that code as like a block and a bunch of shortcuts
00:56:39 ◼ ► then what happens if you you know you find a character that you missed and you're like you're going and
00:56:43 ◼ ► adding it to five different shortcuts like it's not exactly not exactly yeah um man i gotta say like that
00:56:51 ◼ ► team those those few years ago that workflow team and then shortcuts those folks were cooking
00:56:58 ◼ ► man they were doing thing after thing after thing and now we're just getting a bunch of
00:57:03 ◼ ► settings actions uh but anyway um then i want to tell you i wanted to give you an update
00:57:09 ◼ ► i wanted to give you an update about the transcription workflow that i told you about yeah so how i was uh
00:57:16 ◼ ► talking about myself like a crazy person while driving my car that's right right uh yeah um i finalized
00:57:24 ◼ ► this thing and i think it's ready to be written up for club members i think that's what i'm going
00:57:29 ◼ ► to do i realized something funny that i did not need to do the audio cleanup at all uh so out of curiosity
00:57:39 ◼ ► so if you recall i had this shortcut uh that uh it was this hazel automation there was a monitor in a
00:57:46 ◼ ► folder uh where i was uploading audio recordings right of me talking in my car and before processing
00:57:54 ◼ ► those audio recordings i was encoding encoding them to a different mp4 format because the default one was
00:58:01 ◼ ► not supported by shortcuts and i was also cleaning up the audio using an an ffm peg um like um uh silence
00:58:11 ◼ ► removal script out of curiosity a few days ago i thought well what happens if i take the raw
00:58:18 ◼ ► unedited file with the weird audio encoding and i just pass this along to gemini 2.5 pro
00:58:27 ◼ ► like does it care and the answer is it doesn't care like it doesn't care about the background noise
00:58:33 ◼ ► it doesn't care about the weird encoding it just takes that raw file from my earbuds and it just
00:58:40 ◼ ► transcribes the audio so i vastly simplified the approach by just using hazel to monitor the folder
00:58:49 ◼ ► when it sees the new audio file it gives the file to gemini uh later i run a shortcut that does a bunch
00:58:57 ◼ ► of things uh the shortcut uh takes the transcript and gives it to claude i'm using claude in this case
00:59:04 ◼ ► because i prefer the style uh it's i don't just i think you know we all have our little quirks and
00:59:10 ◼ ► preferences for these models some people prefer the way that chat gpt talks some people prefer the more
00:59:17 ◼ ► worse way that gemini produces text i prefer the way claude writes so i'm just using claude to process
00:59:25 ◼ ► the text uh i do use in the shortcut uh ffm peg to re-encode the audio because at the end
00:59:34 ◼ ► i finalize my template for these voice notes i save a markdown document in obsidian that has the summary of
00:59:44 ◼ ► of whatever i was talking about the actionable items and then a player an audio player to listen
00:59:52 ◼ ► back to the recording and a link to the full transcript so i finalized the whole thing and i
01:00:00 ◼ ► i think i'm it's ready to be shared with people um so that was very fun to put together actually to to play
01:00:08 ◼ ► around with like audio stuff and like and i think it's a perfect example of this new kind of like
01:00:14 ◼ ► hybrid automation where it used to be impossible for shortcuts power users or you know even apple
01:00:20 ◼ ► script power users back in the day to do any kind of like natural language processing because like
01:00:27 ◼ ► automate automation is always i guess what i'm trying to say is that automation has always been deterministic
01:00:32 ◼ ► right right it's it's always worked with a a precise set of rules and here with this new flavor of
01:00:39 ◼ ► automation you can sort of have this hybrid world where the input or the output are non-deterministic
01:00:46 ◼ ► but you can still use your regular actions like the terminal finder you know doing these things and
01:00:52 ◼ ► it's it's very fun it's actually very fun to to do i wanted to mention something that you put in the
01:00:58 ◼ ► notes listener steve recommended this beautiful piece of hardware by the folks at teenage engineering
01:01:06 ◼ ► the tp7 yeah it's a field recorder it's beautiful i love this i i love the look of this thing
01:01:13 ◼ ► i would feel bad for just using it it's so pretty i oh i'm looking at the price now oh god it's uh
01:01:22 ◼ ► 1500 euros oh yeah same in dollars 1500 okay all right yeah keep using your huawei earbuds i guess
01:01:33 ◼ ► yeah yeah um and yes then i guess i i will hint at something that i also mentioned in the pro show
01:01:44 ◼ ► for connected pro members that i think i should be able to finalize for this week's issue of the
01:01:52 ◼ ► newsletter which is uh a new flavor of something that i was doing uh three years ago in obsidian i in
01:02:01 ◼ ► obsidian in 2022 i had this system to have a little watch later queue for youtube videos in obsidian
01:02:10 ◼ ► okay i was doing this data view presentation to have like this this little grid with thumbnails
01:02:18 ◼ ► and basically saving videos as notes and that system didn't stick because like i was i was doing nothing
01:02:26 ◼ ► with those notes like they were just markdown documents with the url inside i'm putting a
01:02:32 ◼ ► different spin on it um i'm now saving again those videos in obsidian but alongside the video
01:02:40 ◼ ► like the link to the video i figured out how to embed the video itself with the with an embeddable youtube
01:02:49 ◼ ► player and i'm also saving a summarization of the video thanks to uh once again ai so it's sort of
01:02:57 ◼ ► i'm saving those videos as a way to not just like see them in obsidian and click play but also have some
01:03:08 ◼ ► future searchable knowledge and again that goes back to what we were talking about in the pro show so the
01:03:15 ◼ ► idea being that in the future at some point i will be able to ask obsidian hey did i ever watch a video
01:03:20 ◼ ► about topic uh and you know this idea of making the things that i read or making the things that i
01:03:28 ◼ ► watch or making the things that i write searchable down the road is something that i will that is always
01:03:33 ◼ ► been missing from whatever system i was using before and i'm slowly working my way toward building that so
01:03:41 ◼ ► these are some of the actually let me look in shortcuts if i have some more um oh i should mention i have
01:03:49 ◼ ► also been using the i don't know if like there's a beta version of this uh do you know push cut
01:03:57 ◼ ► i do like yeah yeah so they have a bit of a beta version of push cut on the mac that lets you run the
01:04:05 ◼ ► automation server on the mac the idea being that you you run this little server i do it on the mac mini
01:04:13 ◼ ► server that i that i'm renting and it's uh it's it's basically a utility that allows you to run shortcuts on
01:04:21 ◼ ► that computer remotely so they give you like a like a password and a private url and you can make an
01:04:29 ◼ ► authenticate an authenticated request to that url to a push cut execute a shortcut for you on that
01:04:36 ◼ ► computer yeah so i've been using this extensively um to send like links uh from my android device from
01:04:45 ◼ ► iphone from my computer to the mac mini basically using it as like a like as a shortcut uh traffic
01:04:55 ◼ ► controller so to speak like it's push cut is running and it's executing like this multiple branches
01:05:02 ◼ ► depending on what i remotely execute especially and that's especially useful for these long running
01:05:09 ◼ ► shortcuts that take like several minutes to complete like i wouldn't want to run those on my iphone and
01:05:14 ◼ ► just stare at the shortcut running you know also because i cannot run the shell script action in
01:05:23 ◼ ► shortcuts for ios so it's ideal if you if you have a mac server that is always on if you can join that
01:05:31 ◼ ► push cut beta uh it's very useful yeah yeah we've talked about hazel in that regard before too right
01:05:38 ◼ ► like this thing that's like running on a mac all the time can be very useful yeah yeah so that's that's all
01:05:46 ◼ ► you're you're busy over there i'm i've been very busy i've been and and i'm not making the mistake that i'm
01:05:53 ◼ ► made in the past now every time i build one of these things i document it so uh but for me and
01:05:59 ◼ ► like if it's something that i'm building for john like i create a little document for john so everything
01:06:03 ◼ ► is always documented and and that also helps if like i need to talk about it on connected or app stories
01:06:10 ◼ ► or if i want to turn it into an article i already have the documentation for it it's awesome
01:06:18 ◼ ► i think that does it federico i think so i think we're done uh thank you for listening to
01:06:24 ◼ ► this week's episode uh if you want to find more of us you can find uh federico he's the editor-in-chief
01:06:31 ◼ ► of mac stories.net and vatici across several social media websites uh you can find me at
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01:07:11 ◼ ► dev and think for and continued our sort of ongoing conversation about uh ai assistance in obsidian so