00:00:00 ◼ ► We're going live. I'm tired of this. She got a point with the reckon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► Yeah you know somewhere you've got to be here to be out in the backyard with a two by four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► If that's actually what happened and that actually worked since almost hitting the record with a two by four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► It has not come back here reckon with a two by four as a coat for something you did you really take a two by four to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/14">TS</a>]
00:00:19 ◼ ► raccoon like it's a friggin baseball bat. Yes. Have you ever played baseball in your life. I have played. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/19">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► I don't remember whether I've actually gotten a hit. It was probably more like polo really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/25">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► But the got a new sport that Marco knows exists. Oh yeah that's right that's it that's on horses the right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/29">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► Yeah but you're swinging down to a thing on the ground where you're writing hops. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/34">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► Someone please draw that marker like Don Quixote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/39">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► On top of the thing with a two by four rabid racoon and the core of the duck hiding. Guarding its eggs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/46">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► Now people think we're crazy oh don't fall you're going to are there. I mean I didn't like go and fetch a two by four. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/55">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► I happened to have a few in the backyard from Adam's party we were holding down a big tarp with them so I had a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/60">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► very long two by fours in the back yard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/66">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► and were standing the backyard with these two raccoons stalking the ducks It's nesting in our backyard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/68">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► And they already gone for once the duck made some crazy noise and scared on temporal they were just like sitting there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/75">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► Maybe twelve feet away wasn't very fun or an area sit in the tree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► and we tried like sharing the flashlight in their face during pine cones at them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/83">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► We hit the MUCH few times the pine cones. Didn't give two craps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/88">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► So eventually I realized oh maybe they don't like water so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/91">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► and made them slightly damp I mean it wasn't it wasn't even that much pressure because it was a terrible hose so I like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/97">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► I believe in the shower with Go put some conditioner and their hair. Yeah I mean it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/103">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► It was the least intimidating use of a hose probably in history and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/110">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► And they kind of seem to get annoyed by the hose and kind of like walked away slowly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/114">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► But then eventually they came back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/121">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► And that's they were within swing distance of this two before which is probably if I had to guess six feet long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/123">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► So I tried swinging at it. And I missed completely. But the area that I hit I had like hill into a tree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/128">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► And the area that I hit was. I don't know a couple of feet from the raccoon. Then they left. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/138">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► And they have not come back. That was and it was now two or three nights ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/143">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► So can you explain why you think of these unborn docs have a greater right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/148">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► Right to life than raccoons that are hungry. There's a lot of other food for their accidents to eat around here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/154">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► They have no shortage of food they'd have no trouble finding food. Used to be my trash. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/161">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► Now it's all the neighbors trash and I got a trash house. And it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/167">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► They If it wasn't this duck they would you go eat somebody's garbage and get a sandwich like they are fine with food. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/171">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► So I don't feel bad about this at all. Also reckons are kind of ducks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/178">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► I know that ducks can be both to some people but Ducks have not been to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/183">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► Reckons have that to me so I'm sure I have a bias here I'm sure we're going to hear from all the record rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/188">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► activists. I don't know I don't like residents and. I have no reason to dislike ducks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/193">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► Also it just seems like kind of a cheap shot like the mother duck. Is sitting on eleven eggs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/199">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► Shift to sit there for like a month to bake them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/204">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► That's like that like hitting somebody the back like it's a cheap shot to like to try to attack her. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/207">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► Like they're in that connection the situation might have a fair fight somewhere. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/213">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► Go fight until the well do dwell not the next time you're getting an omelet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/216">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► But that doesn't require murdering what we do to the chickens that we get eggs from is way worse than anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/220">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► or having to the doc that is true. That's a fair point no I mean and look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► This is why I'm not like you know making a big political stink about my animal policies here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► Because I know that whatever opinion I have of the animals in my backyard. Is completely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/235">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► It's completely hypocritical for me to keep having meat and animal products in my life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/241">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► I think the motivation for this. In the end. Is that the potential cuteness of baby ducks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/247">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► Outweighs everything and everyone to secure baby ducks. Well it's also the novelty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/254">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► You know we we've seen raccoons around our house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/258">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► Since we moved in here almost five years ago this is the first I've had dogs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► And we have never seen baby ducks and those were some We've seen any duck. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/264">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► And the adult book is pretty good pretty cool looking like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/269">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► But it is awesome pictures ever seen OK she's a mallard she has like the Big Blue Square on a ring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► and everything it's great for her are waiting. So yeah. So she was she looks awesome. Great picture opportunities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/275">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► Nobody wants a picture of a raccoon at night. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/281">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► You know if this was I guess I'm trying to think of Marlon be overcome with a reference I'm just going to go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/283">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► Adventure Time This is an episode of venture time those eggs but hats and tiny alligators are come out of all them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/287">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► Never seen no right so let's start the show. We have some follow up. Do we want to talk about some H.F.S. Plus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/292">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► That was fast today. You know was fast. We had a question about it. I think we're talking about our Sonali G.'s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/305">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► Aren't you guys concerned about a trust plus corruption why aren't you concerned about yaks T three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/316">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► or four corruption on your salary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/320">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► And my understanding is that the ex the three four don't have any of the functionality John wants built into the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/323">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► oath and file has an electric something so on and so forth I think that is correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/327">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► but I'm not sure either way I'm pretty sure this analogy does not have any check something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► So why aren't we concerned about corruption. When using each of us bus analogies I am. I am concerned about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/335">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► I'm exactly concerned about it as I am all the time I wish my phonology had data integrity I wish around the FS. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/342">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► Why don't you build your own ass and put the of us on a cause that sounds like a lot of work and really complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/347">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► and I should reiterate it maybe didn't save us unless show we should reiterate for the people who have listed all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/353">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► serious arsenal of his were given to us by this analogy Corp. So these were gifts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/357">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► I probably wouldn't about this for myself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/364">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► Now that I have it I think it's great but it's the only math of ever own so I can't tell you whether it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/367">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► or worse than any of the Nats I do know that I really wish had dated integrity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/371">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► And if someone made one of these things with the FS on it. At this point having lived with an ass for a long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/375">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► I think I would probably consider buying it but I already have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/381">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► and some was kind of living with the potential crappiness of what I've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/383">TS</a>]
00:06:27 ◼ ► and worrying about the same amount I worry about everything else I don't know if you guys are worrying about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/387">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► or just accepting your fate like so many other people don't care. No. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/391">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► And we should also mention Like John said these are all gifts from some knowledge e and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/397">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► I was in the same situation as John never had a NASA before I freaking love my son ology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/401">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► And I've been asked a lot lately. Lately I'm not sure why but we had we were all given D.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/406">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► and I believe the modern version of that box is the eight hundred fifteen plus senility has plenty of other models this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/415">TS</a>]
00:07:03 ◼ ► one is pretty large both physically and in terms of disk space because it takes eight disks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/423">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► But they have much more versions they also have a two fourteen play which they also sent me one of those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/430">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► Which is much better for doing things like posting plex if that's your cup of tea because it has the appropriate chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/436">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► for hardware transcoding. But. But we've been asked a lot lately. A lot lately and it's D.S. Eight hundred thirteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/442">TS</a>]
00:07:28 ◼ ► Is our model D.S. Eight hundred fifteen is the modern version of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/448">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► And I asked listeners I got mine I mean we're talking to the person who gave him to us like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/453">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► What's the outlook are you guys going to add data integrity features and you know then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/457">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► Don't talk about future products blah blah blah like that my request has been heard thus far I don't think anything has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/461">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► happened on one front but I remain hopeful that some point in the future they will come up with a new product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/467">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► or new software update or something that had that integrity features especially on a nast like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/471">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► I don't stress that Iowa was. I'd be fine for it to spend its time and energy doing check something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/476">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► It wouldn't wouldn't affect my use of. You know this I mean and it's not an issue of of your request being heard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/483">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► We know that your requests have been heard by people at Apple for years about their file system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/490">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► I think phonology slightly more motivated than Apple to because this is a common feature of NASA like they are a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/496">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► the a lot of mass products that are out there are built on the FS plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/502">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► or some other checks among file system release have it as an option. Like it's a good point right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/506">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► It's in you know one of the features that people look for an ass. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/510">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► and you know I think they're not adding this probably just a statement on the state of like Linux you have a support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/515">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► or you know just how many ties their current software stack as with the their current file system and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/521">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► but anyway. It could happen. All right so do we want to cover a few more things about photos. The app on no S ten. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/527">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► More questions about aren't we concerned he wants to know what we're concerned about are we concerned about the privacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/537">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► aspects of using cloud sync with Apple's photos that up. Specifically about like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/542">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► What kind of security they use to stop Apple employees or the N.S.A. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/548">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► or Whatever from viewing photos about their authorization out of there on the cloud. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/552">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► And my answer this one is similar to the amp about check something like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/556">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► I don't I have don't know what the situation is I assume the N.S.A. Can see all of my pictures. I think is a safe bet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/561">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► I assume that Apple is making a reasonable effort to keep them secure like they do with all their stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/569">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► but in the end you are uploading all of your pictures to a server controlled by a corporation that you have no control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/574">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► over. So I have no idea if they have access to have extras. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/581">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► I would recommend that if you have pictures that you don't want the world to see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► Don't put them into a cloud photo thinking service. Period. Yeah. That's basically my answer is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/589">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► I don't have any pictures that I would be that would be a huge problem. If somebody else saw them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/596">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► But if you did like the solution is like. There's nothing you can do the solutions do not applaud them to anybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/603">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► Like that's it that's your home that's your only solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/609">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► and even that like who knows they could be breaking into your computer and getting they were never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/611">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► but there is no I don't think there's any sort of technological guarantee that at this point that a company was well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/614">TS</a>]
00:10:22 ◼ ► meaning as they might be could give they were making I think oh I previously didn't want to upload these pictures on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/622">TS</a>]
00:10:26 ◼ ► tax returns and social security number two and one photo service. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/626">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► But now that I've heard this promise from this company. I will totally do it. It's just I've you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/629">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► I won't I just shouldn't do it. There's nothing you know as. It's not their fault they could be a hundred percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/634">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► Sincere that they're doing everything they can to protect your photos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/639">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► But I think history has shown that there are so many things between their promise and you. Namely the Internet that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/642">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► That need one of those parties has control over that the N.S.A. Perhaps does. So just yet just on a bullet Yep agreed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/648">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► All right. And what about if you were to edit things in photos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► That's from Hamp a three questions in a row don't you care about aren't you worried about. Aren't you concerned about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/662">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► Perhaps we are this is what you don't you care about your edits. Like so we talked about last time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/668">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► Having a bunch of photos. And they're all just a bunch of J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/674">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► or whatever in a big folder her he's a worse case scenario you could extract all those files from this crazy bundle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/678">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► And just have a bunch of pigs in folders like that by putting your photos into this system whether be i Photo the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/685">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► photos application or anything else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► You're not really losing is not because it's very good about preserving the originals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/694">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► and the originals are still there for you to get. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/698">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► You can always post originals out and go back that is a bunch of folders right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/700">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► But what about your added to that point what if you spent a long time editing your photos adjusting everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/703">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► or all those that had been adjustments are not in the photos that the whole point is it doesn't write them back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/707">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► photos that keep the edit separate That's a feature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/711">TS</a>]
00:11:54 ◼ ► But you know if you're if you're saying that you can just pull get rid of a library player for that you're losing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/714">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► your at it. My answer to this is that I rarely edit my photos. Because I have no idea had photos. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/720">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► So that's a problem like crop photos. Occasionally I will move some sliders a tiny little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/725">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► But in the most part I feel like I'm making the photos worse and not better and. I just don't I just don't edit them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/732">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► And so it's not a problem for me. If it's a problem for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/738">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► I'm not sure what the solution is because I like the idea of never altering the originals Obviously if there was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/741">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► But I don't know how you would save the edits in a way that is not specific to any one application that applies the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/749">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► edits. Yeah I mean that's that's kind of the problem like. You know Adobe and their apps they have as part of the D.M.G. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/756">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► Format they can embed. The edits. Into the D.M.G. Files and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/763">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► And so that's cool with that then you can bet to see any Adobe program. And load up. Those edits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/767">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► When they're embedded in the file and that's that's kind of what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/772">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► What I always wanted for so long which is give me one file that has everything in it that I can move around in the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/774">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► system and operate on as I need to the Apple ecosystem as far as you know has never had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/779">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► but it's a hard problem to solve. Because what do you do. If you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/783">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► Right now they just moved from my photo in Aperture. To New Photos app. I Photo aperture and the New Photos app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/789">TS</a>]
00:13:16 ◼ ► All have different. Editing controls. With different capabilities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/796">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► That probably many of these different algorithms from each other so you couldn't even say like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/799">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► You know reduce highlights by point two you know if you say that in the file then the next version the program might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/804">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► interpret that differently. Or a different program. Ten years from now will interpret that differently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► And it might not look the way you want so I think the only really sane long term solution here is to either not care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/815">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► about your at it's Or for this. For the one you edit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/822">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► When you're going to move platforms are going to you're going to move. Editors to like write them all out right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/826">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► The ones that you want to save as J. Packs or be doing that the whole time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/832">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► And just maintain separate copies that have the edits Big Dan if that's really important to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/835">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► It is a very good question. The problem is I don't think. I don't think there's a good way to solve it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/839">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► and be cross-platform uncross app for me it's very similar to what John said just a little bit step further I do know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/847">TS</a>]
00:14:13 ◼ ► how to add. Photos. A little bit. And I can make them look better. Sometimes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/853">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► But I don't edit most of the photos I take or if I do it's like a really basic crop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/859">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► and maybe a very small adjustment to exposure and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► but not you know not heavy edits that would that are you know that important. As I as time goes on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/865">TS</a>]
00:14:34 ◼ ► So if I was going to go back and pull up an old photo would probably want to redo my edits to it with the tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/874">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► and techniques and abilities that I have today rather than. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► You know when I first did the edit five years ago when I didn't know about white balance. You know stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/885">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► So this is it is a very valid question to ask Of what do you do with your editor moves isn't that is a very valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/892">TS</a>]
00:14:58 ◼ ► question to ask for a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/898">TS</a>]
00:15:00 ◼ ► But it sounds like none of the three of us are the kind of people who are that much about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/900">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► and also a great solution I don't think exists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/903">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► Well you know it's burn your editor copies to like a new copy like bring them to J. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/907">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► Vague or something but that's what I was saying Yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/912">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► but I think that's the only solution I wouldn't say that's a good solution but it like to put the programs offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/914">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► and I don't even know if i Phone or even offer that as an option. You could duplicate I don't know if it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/919">TS</a>]
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00:15:26 ◼ ► but I think what it did was a duplicate the original in the uterus have the same thing you just have a second fall for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/926">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► you to do a different set of and it's but it's still trying to keep them separate. Yeah I don't know I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/931">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► This is definitely like an advanced user feature that most people will not need or use or ever care about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/936">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► And so therefore Apple's apps probably will cover it very poorly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/943">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► And if you really are very concerned about that kind of stuff you probably are going to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/946">TS</a>]
00:15:52 ◼ ► Anyway like like my wife to you know she's a provocateur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/952">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► and she's very serious you've heard her personal photography [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/955">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► and so she doesn't use any of these programs she uses Adobe Bridge and manages things in the file system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/958">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► And she is very very happy with that she has no desire to go into one of these men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/964">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► Sinking library kind of program she said she tried apertures she tried Lightroom she hated them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/970">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► She's she's the kind of person who like her edits. Are so much work. And so important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/975">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► And she's so good at that like she wouldn't be able to to date to do the kind of move where shooter Sparrow Well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/980">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► he's ever done but she does things manually so. She has all her raw files and then when she does heavy edits.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/986">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► She saves them out of shape X. And so like. It wouldn't even be a problem for her in her system so anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/993">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► I think the answer is if you're pro enough. Or if you're really into it or not to have a lot of vets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/999">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► You probably need to come up with your own long term solution to this problem. We also got some feedback from Vincent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► Yawn John go. I'm so sorry that I probably butchered that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:54 ◼ ► But he said that he forgot to tweet this after episode one fourteen. But flicker gives a terabyte of storage free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1014">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► And you can auto sync photos from your phone. So that is something I don't think we covered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1021">TS</a>]
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00:17:17 ◼ ► and apparently the out of sync photos from your phone so bad ass on forgetting that they still exist and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1037">TS</a>]
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00:17:42 ◼ ► When you disable i Cloud for the library there's a grace period of thirty days you can start start from scratch within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► those thirty days. My library now has now thirty two days in thirty thousand empty thumbnails no image can be opened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1068">TS</a>]
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00:17:59 ◼ ► The out of this is a series of two tweets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1079">TS</a>]
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00:18:04 ◼ ► Should the grace period be over a lot of people tell me other thirty day grace period like if you turn I call for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► library off. Apple and just double your photos me if I say OK well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► I know you turn this thing off and you know want to use it anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► But will hang on to the photos that you have uploaded thirty day just in case you change your mind which is a nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:19 ◼ ► Safety features you don't like whoops I turned it off and delete all my photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1099">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► and I actually don't have local copies on. And don't have my local copies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► Like I have some copies are only in the cloud and I turned it off. Now they're all gone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► So they're saving it for thirty days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► but this makes it all the more difficult to Seems like to do the big reset button of saying look I'm telling you apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► I've got them all on my local machine. Please. Clear out your cloud I want to start over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► And it's probably wise that isn't easy to do because people don't actually know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► when they have all the photos in their computer and if you gave them the ability to do it they would do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► and feel sad when they realize they're missing years for the photos and Bob. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► You know gets back to the same from like about how do you restore from backup How does it synchronize things a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► people respond to that question as well showing us screenshots of what happens when you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► You know something gets screwed up and you go to a Time Machine backup and restore your photos library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► and you put the new files plop onto your desk and then you launch the app and how does it how does it reconcile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► Just you know this version on disk with what's in the cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► and apparently throws up this big like repairing photo library thing and it basically just goes through there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► So the reports of people who have sent me pictures of their libraries doing that seems to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► or less work originally albeit after waiting for a long time for it to go through all your photos that it will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1168">TS</a>]
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00:19:38 ◼ ► and I would still like to have some way to reset everything even if it's through nine different dialogue boxes that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1178">TS</a>]
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00:19:52 ◼ ► and I'm still a little bit worried about it I just hope I never have to find out how it behaves in that situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1192">TS</a>]
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00:20:02 ◼ ► So it's very different terms of code base but contact is such a small status that. I don't have a lot of contacts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1202">TS</a>]
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00:20:11 ◼ ► So I really don't want to do it for sixty thousand photos or to have all right. We also got. With regard to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1211">TS</a>]
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00:20:36 ◼ ► As a in another app to manage launch day jobs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1236">TS</a>]
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00:21:11 ◼ ► and for the most part it's it's what's been reported. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► But toward the end somebody in a question answer session imagine that a question and answer session in Moscone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► Isn't that weird. Anyway. Please file a bug him. Exactly. Somebody asked hey what are you doing about swift and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1281">TS</a>]
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00:22:03 ◼ ► and forth actually happened between the two of them on a couple of topics but it is a by Apple to have Q. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1323">TS</a>]
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00:24:30 ◼ ► Has been building and using glide professionally in their own consulting work for large corporate clients. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► Since two thousand and twelve. Now three of their clients of even one best of the App Store awards from Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► Wonders Of The Universe is a really famous and you probably heard of that also wonders of life the follow up and also. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► Jim govern polls the loop magazine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► All of these apps were built with glide they all want to words from Apple for how good they were also any of you who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► went to the old Conference this year the wool conference app was also a glide app that's where I saw the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► I'd be communication which was really cool. I was very impressed with how great that Apple is overall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► So I blogged about Glad it was announced. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► This is before they approached us for the sponsorship and I like them that much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► And I honestly think it's going to be a really big deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► The way I think about glide is I call it the Squarespace equivalent for apple tree a ship. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► It covers a lot of very common needs. And very common tasks for app building with way less time and money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► Then writing everything from scratch and the results are fantastic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► You don't even need to be a programmer to make a great app with glide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► The source files are literally just like a bunch of folders on Dropbox with text or images or media files on them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► And then when you make changes the app is updated live with those changes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► And you can do advanced logic there scripting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► You can do custom behaviour that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► but you don't have to what's a very big deal for people who want to focus on the content of their app like if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► making a magazine like Jim. And you know not have to worry about the code behind it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► And of course keeping up with Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► and glide is a huge deal for after Veltman consultants as well to me this is a no brainer if you're a consultant the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► You know this is not going to go away has going to kill your job but is a massive number of projects. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► That shouldn't be made from scratch or can't afford to be. So if you're a consultant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► Using glide you could offer clients fast small budget app creation. Far more efficiently impressively than before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► So that all this is what's driving glides creators. To bring this to Kickstarter and release it to the public. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► It's almost on their campaign is already succeeded. As he glide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► Glide believes everybody should be able to afford to make their own app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► And so that's why they want to kick started to make this happen basically be like a big capital reason pewters had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► get them to be able to release us after the public. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► So it was only a few more days left to support or pre-order go out on Kickstarter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► And be one of the very first people have access to it. I mean to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► If you're a consultant This is a pretty big competitive advantage to have to like this. So I recommend checking it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► Go to create glide dot com slash A.T.P. To see more info or pre-order it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► Thank you very much to glide for sponsoring our show. Yeah. We all are friends with the people that make why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► And so they're also doing the nice people in the world to God so nice. But even if we weren't French toast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► People genuinely This stuff is amazing and. Chris Harris who is. I think C.E.O. C.T.O. C.E.O. Of glide. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► He did a demo with me a long time ago now the probably a year plus ago. Of how glide works and this was via Face Time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► When he was in London I was in the states and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► Just watching things happen in Dropbox and then in the app changing moments there after it was mind blowing so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► Truly this is amazing stuff and if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:45 ◼ ► And if this is at all interesting to you I highly suggest checking it out it is very very cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1665">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► And they even like they think of so many little details I mean the things I've seen them do even like you have a drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► box. So they read the files of Dropbox but they don't post them there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► They host them on their own easy to stuff on Amazon Web Services because they you know they they want to make sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:05 ◼ ► Dropbox goes down your app doesn't go down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1685">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► So they actually copied over their stuff after they read it after OP Oxo you like even thought of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► So these are great people I'm pretty sure also still owe Chris a beer from Will. But these are great people and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► Yes here's a check of blood and. Hurry up because you're in on time. All right so we have a very important but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► But fairly serious topic. We have some real time follow up. And that is that Evan Hindraf in the chat. Has drawn. You. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► You are you writing hops trying to stave off the reckons kind of punted on the face there though he just trying to draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► a circle and Marco on it. I do appreciate the A.T.P. Sure though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► Oh I didn't even notice that that's a good call it got the hose the hose the pathetic O's the little puddle of water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► because they're actually running away. Yeah. The Apple what's given the time. And strengths. Yeah. I'm impressed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► Did a very impressed. All right so I was being slightly snarky about the seriousness of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► But all kidding aside we do really have a serious topic that we should discuss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► and we wanted to make sure we discussed in the main part of the show this. This week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► And this all started with a tweet from John so John you want to kick us off or this will last month. Shanda last month. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► Remember what motivated us but you know. Or just. No time like the president just tweeted and asked this question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► My tweet read it women and girls listen. Listen to A.T.P. Cohen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► What do you think we could do to get more women and girls to listen to a D.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► Kind of wordy to go women and girls but I was trying to be inclusive in this thing but I was anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► I too am addressing the question to. That was the question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► And you can open the link to the tweet in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► and you can look at all the replies there are a lot of replies A lot of good replies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► I plan to write a blog post about this. I tried to write a post about this. I had a lot of difficulty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► Because I thought it would be straightforward but then a being fairly long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► and kind of boring so I figure who can make an attempt to talk about it on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► Be nice to have a blog post that people can reference maybe I'll still try to make one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► But anyway what I was going to do in the blog post was explain what I felt like I couldn't explain. On Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► Which is why if you look at the giant thread you don't see a lot of replies for me to be ill Mostly I was just asked a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► question and I was getting input writes I was reading all the responses but not really. Replying to all of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► Most of us didn't feel like a need for vital. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► Like I asked a question and people give their opinions and I listen to them right. But it doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► I think require some explanation a lot of people had legitimate questions about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► and that's why I was trying to address my blog cause I think I'll probably start with those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► The first thing or like the the sort of the premises or the assumptions of all this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► My the premise of the question is that I think. Not a lot of women listen to a Tea Party. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► And many people as I How do you know that you take surveys a realist. Now we don't. You're basing it on T. Shirt sales. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► You know kind of but you know women come by men shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► and sometimes they don't even know what the breakdowns are green based on the names of people in who send feedback. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► The names of people who tweet the avatars on people Twitter accounts like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► We have some inputs into the system like we're not taking a completely wild guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► but the information we have is a middling imperfect What if ninety nine point nine percent of people listen are women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► And they never write. Because women never like to write into the show. For some reason. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► But and all we get is feedback from men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► and always tell melted like that with that would be a tone issue worth exploring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► It was going to see the ball that we could be totally wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► but I'm going to say the given the best information available to us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► I would put money on the fact that mostly men when they debate. Certainly the majority props the vast majority. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► I don't know if you two agree with that do you think you get that feeling absolutely. It's like what you said like the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► The the few inputs that we do have with. You know feedback and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► It certainly does suggest that it's mostly men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► Right so that's that's what we're starting from her wrong about that in this whole thing is is pointless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► and were barking up the wrong Korea but I have money on it that is just that's majority police in the Sharman. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► My second assumption is that of all the potential people in the world who might enjoy the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► If you say here that just put all those people on the board Those are all the people who potentially might enjoy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► show. What percentage of the men who might enjoy the show. Are currently listening to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► And what percentage of the women who might enjoy the show are countless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► and do it I think we have a larger proportion of the men who might enjoy the show listening to it than we do the women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► So we're going to grow our audience which I would like to do and here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► but this blog post like Suffice it to say that we want people to listen to the show I do you need to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► but like what you doing is Why do you care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► I personally want people to listen to the show because it's gratifying when lots of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► I don't know if I need to explain. As to be evil but it's one of the primary like listeners equals good right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► If you want to grow the audience. You feel like there is an untapped market. A women who you know. Say say we're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1974">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► Say we're getting like one percent of the men who might enjoy the show or listening to it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► I think like point zero zero zero one percent of the women who might enjoy the show are listening to it so that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► like where we should go like this so we can get one percent of the men and one for some of them as a big boost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► but maybe you know one percent of the men. One percent of any group is our cap you know what I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► So I feel like that's where we want to go to grow the audience first and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► There are other reasons to like you know all the other reasons you hear people talk about what people don't talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► as I was you know why does diversity matter why do you care how many men or women in the show like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► There are other really good reasons that many people talk to you about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► But I'm appealing to people's sense of like just logic like. We want listeners. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► If we if women are not listening to the show and much greater proportions than men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► Even though the woman who we think would like the show. That's that's bad we're not way. That is an untapped market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► We want those people to listen to right that's you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► Ignoring everything else which are very important points about like we should be encouraging women to technology in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► because of the culture of keeping them away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► and so it's like even just setting that aside if you think that is not important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► or whatever just purely by the numbers are they getting people to anybody and say look you know you're not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► There's an audience out there that we feel like is not listening to the show in much larger proportions another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► audience and I want to figure out why and change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► Right so that's that's the premise of this question that's why ask and. Why did I ask. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► The women and girls who do listen to a D.P. Well. I can't just ask somebody who doesn't listen to a D.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:31 ◼ ► Because they don't know what the show is about and the people who do were once women who didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2071">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► and basically they have the experience of say. I was once a woman who didn't listen to a G.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► and I listened to it and now it how did you go from a non listener to a listener. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► And you're listening to it now what do you think we're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► That might be keeping women away from it or making it seem like the show is not welcoming to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► And is not something they might be interested in and so on and so for or I did listen. And now I don't and here's why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► Right because this was done on Twitter like I mean you would assume this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► Basically I don't have any way to communicate with the women who don't follow me on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► and don't listen to the show but ever so I did what I could write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► but I specifically was addressing them because I wasn't particularly interested in hearing all the things that men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► thought we could do to get more women to listen to a D.P. Even though they may be entirely right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► I feel like I have the male perspective we three of us collectively have the Mel perspective of well here I was looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:23 ◼ ► for some. You know different but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2123">TS</a>]
00:35:25 ◼ ► So that that is a very long winded set up for for this question you guys want to add a things that to the I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2125">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► consult with your view on this question is that on my Twitter account not a D.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► Of Twitter account I just threw the question out there I don't know how you guys felt about her bits thing that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► thinking about or whether you agree this is a good thing to ask or have anything to add to my premises here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► I don't think I have anything to add other than that I believe marker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► when I both pretty much immediately retreated it and I think one of us retreated from the show account. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► Just as quickly. So I'm pretty sure I speak for Marco in saying that we are completely behind this line of thought and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2152">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► And I'm very curious to hear what it is we can do about about the. The women that listener don't listen I should say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► And we did definitely had some interesting feedback which I suspect we're about to go into yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► So before we talk about all the different you know how we feel about the message go through a lot of responses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► and us go through so them categorically frequent suggestions this is not really authored by frequency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► but I guess I probably wrote them down in the order they started coming and have women guests on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► Do a host swap with other woman tech podcasts were you know someone from a woman from another tech pockets of here one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► Talk about women in tech topics which are kind of doing now and we have kind of done in the past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► Read feedback from identifiable female listeners on the episodes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► Stay away from male focused ads that are alienating ask women to try the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► This is it I'm interesting suggestion that I would not of would not have guessed came someone said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► You're not going to get women to listen to the show unless you ask women to listen to the show which sounds stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► but is totally true and you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► Like you have to ask for it you have to say hey are you with an interest in technology we have a PA guess you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► like actually address them specifically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► Lots of mentions of like word of mouth as in like how they came to know the show like I heard from a friend who heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► from a friend. Talk about women who are in technology. Talk about things they're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► You know companies applications. Whatever than. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:33 ◼ ► You know Conference talks whatever the things that women are actually doing in tech talk about them the same way we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2253">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► talk about everything else write their blog link to them on Twitter blog memory tweet them follow them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► Things that are folks I'm like app camp for girls which I think they take an ass out of reach we didn't post about many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► times but other similar types of things that are trying to get more women into technology. See what else we have here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► One of the civic these a feedback was about how she thought that our show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► From the outside looks like it's just a bunch of dudes talking about tech which I'm going to say that pretty much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► but anyway I should mention her words not mine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► You just like another but do talk about tax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► but it's really much more I think they mean the part where we talk about Marco swatting raccoons in his backyard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► but the idea is that you know the optics from the outside of the show looks like it's a boring show by tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► but we do kind of cover. Slightly broader topics maybe. I don't know that you know that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► Getting that image out there getting that message out there could make the show. More appealing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► And I think that's it for the categories of if I was you remember any other particular large categories that you saw. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► Going by. I think you got I mean I think the. The biggest one by far is female host slash guest. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► And then I think the second biggest was probably the advertiser thing. Yeah. Policy gesture and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► Another reason I didn't respond to them on Twitter was because like. This is this is a trap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► You know it has many names like male answer syndrome. But there are many different names like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► It's not an invitation to debate all these thing. Like if you ask a question like this in Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► Your instinct and minds think that many instincts of many people on Twitter not just men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► but everybody who's got yours is to is to answer them to say. I think you should do X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► and Then to answer by saying well we can't do X. Because of this or. We don't want to do X. or We shouldn't do X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► or I disagree that X. Would help. Like. And that believe me that instinct is strong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► It is very strong because even though I invited the question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:39 ◼ ► Every one of these responses is like well I have a reason why you know. You know you get defensive right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2379">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► And so I thought that instinct. I think pretty successfully. And did NOT about everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► You know because basically what it comes down to I think every single one of these responses is right for the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► who answered. Right. No one person who answered represents all women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► But they represent themselves and they give a perspective that we don't have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► So I tried to take them as what they were now. Realistically speaking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► We're not going to do all these things and in particular I don't want to focus on the idea of having women host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► or having women guess. Host is the is the easiest one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► I think that her all the people who said we should have women holistic do it make it would get more of them interest on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► our hundred percent right. But a certain point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► You're not getting more people to listen to your show you're making a new show. That is more appealing to women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► And I just totally believe that show would be more appealing to women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► But that doesn't mean I want to change the show that I'm currently on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► I think the women audience is under-served I think shows like rocket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► Like there should be fifty more of those because this is an undershirt audience right there are as many what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► million shows of the bunch of guys talking about tech. But we are one of those shows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► I like the three of us on the show I think this is the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► I recognize that we are sacrificing some audience by doing that so the people who made the suggestion are not wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► but speaking for myself. I don't want to change the host's lineup of the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► Yeah I mean that I am totally with you on that I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► It is a great suggestion that is a big problem that we have three guys here but we have never had guest hosts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► We don't have like a regular format is the three of us talking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► It is like it is not a guest show we usually had times like my where my wife Tiffany popped in during the after show to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► talk about games and people married to us do not count as as either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► But that's you know and that's even at home like in the after show and it's like. It's like a fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► Occasional thing it's not like a regular feature the show that the show is not regularly having different people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► here. If it were and like. Like I know John Gruber for the talk show got criticized initially. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► I don't know maybe a year ago when people started becoming a lot more aware of this issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► Because the talk show is that format show it does have guests every week and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► Since then I think he took that to heart and. If you look at the list of hosts. Since you know since about a year ago. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2514">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► There's a lot more women on that list. And it's not even yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:05 ◼ ► But you can see the progression is going in the right direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2525">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► I think it does make sense for shows that have rotating hosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► or rotating guests to to really obey that really pay attention to their gender breakdown and their. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► You know breakdown and all sorts of diversity categories honestly but. For our show I think we can safely say you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► We can we can take with you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► but our show is always just the three of us it isn't like we're having different men every week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► We don't have anybody else in the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► And that's two things about that I think that feedback is kind of disheartening because it shows how underserved this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:43 ◼ ► market is that they're as they're asking the way they feel like they can get a show that appeals to them better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2563">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► asking for changes in and existing shows or. It's just like. It's like all the female gamers out there begging for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► You know female. Avatars and protagonists in games they just want to see themselves represented. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► And they did not enough out there it's an under-served market like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► And so they have to take the things they do like that are currently not catering to the needs I could you change a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► thing you're doing to cater to my needs because I'm so massively under-served that I can't go elsewhere for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► better than this I feel like there should be more podcasts. With three ladies talking about tech. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► But unfortunate there aren't and it's. And as I said. This feedback is correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► They are right that this would make our show more appealing but I just feel like it would be a different show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► And we're not doing that show but more people should wear and that's also you know like like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► You know we don't want to be condescending here and say Will. Women would listen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► Only if there's another woman on the show that's not true. Now if we did but we did get the feedback a lot like some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► Some people also said I like the show it is you don't need to add any women like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► None of these single women represent all of them and they're just wasting their own opinions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:46 ◼ ► but that's why I asked you if you want to hear other people's opinion that we did get a lot of people who said the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2626">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► be more appealing if there's a woman guess. We got fewer people who said I like the lamp exactly way it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► There are other things that you can do to make it more appealing but I agree the people who ask for that are correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► I just feel like it's not a thing we're going to do which is disappointing for us and disappointing for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► but that's that's how the Allen comes out and the second thing on this is you talk about like you mention different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:11 ◼ ► Diversity in different aspects that's another question that a try to get in my blog post was very difficult to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2651">TS</a>]
00:44:17 ◼ ► why you constraining woman. Why not. You know people of color or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2657">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► You know different sexual orientations or geographies or language or any other thing like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► I think we're terrible in all those categories in terms of in terms of how would our break down are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► and turns under market but here's the thing. Women are in a minority. Marry the planet. So again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► Like get deal with the biggest problem pursed our massive gender disparity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► Our massive under-representation that we feel it is just based on the data that we have is not for a minority group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► it's for half the planet. Right so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► Address the biggest problem first I thought this is our biggest problem I feel like all the problems are also there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► But this is the. This is the biggest bang for your buck this is the worst thing going on here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► I think all those things we should be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:06 ◼ ► Definitely aware of what are we doing to eliminate although there are groups that are that are minorities that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2706">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► marginalized that we should be trying not to do anything that excludes them. Android users. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► And it without That's not a. That's not sort of a category that choice. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► So I think that is worth addressing that is a real thing but just like it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► The fact the very fact that all those things come up in the same conversation is women it's like women are not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► minority. I struggle with I think there more than half the planet by like a tiny little bit. But anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► There are minority in tech and that's the problem. We're sort of trying to address or. So what do we do about sponsors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► Because one of the pieces of feedback that I saw most often. Other then you should have a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► You have a woman host or that women guess. The next bit of feedback that I think was the next most popular was well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► You should really try to stay away from advertisers that are clearly just for men. And I don't mean the hair coloring. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2757">TS</a>]
00:46:04 ◼ ► I mean. Designed for man. I have used. Not proud of it. Don't use it anymore. But I did use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2764">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► That's big of you Mark I'm very proud of you not recommended me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► and work we're getting deep into accidental analog right now. My curly soon be self-centered us but it's right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► But yeah we did get a lot of feedback of well you should really have sponsors that are that are more is unisex Unisex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► is either genders that right I always get it back when I would say gender neutral. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► Thank you that's much better way phrasing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► Gender neutral advertisers and we were the three of us were talking about this very briefly the i Message. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► and maybe there's others who were not thinking of the only sponsor that I think we've run released recently that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► clearly not general. Gender neutral is Harry's which is shaving stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► And in actuality that could very well be used for for women for the parts of their bodies that they shave but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:01 ◼ ► But certainly the ad read if nothing else is more aimed at men and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2821">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► Maybe it's as simple as just trying to be more inclusive on the ad reads which is another thing that the three of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► have talked about recently. So I'm not sure what the right answers on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► And I think Mark are you especially had some thoughts on this if you want to kind of take the mike. Yeah I mean. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► So I think this is a valid point. You know the idea that. You know again like it's not like women will run away. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► If we do. Read for products that are aimed at men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► But certainly contributes to an overall feeling of maybe this isn't maybe unwelcome this. Or like not fitting in or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► I've heard all those things from people who said of this kind of feedback and I get that I understand that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► The reality is we have very few sponsors that are dinner specific and so it wouldn't be a huge deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2873">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► To stop having them. And I mean the list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:05 ◼ ► but the only recurring sponsor that we've had that I can think of off the my head are Harry's and need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► You know need even now has for most like they have other businesses that are not just for men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► So really it's Harry's like that's really talking about here. And as you said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► Harry's like I did some research to see like you know having a problem is us with Harry's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► And yet there's no question it's aimed at men. But you know they sell razors that are like male styled and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► You know definitely aimed at men but women have used them and have blogged about using them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► and you know they work on women there's you know there's nothing about a razor that makes it just for a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► and women can use them too so you know there's a there's marketing choices or stylistic choices there's you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► Language choices anyway. But if it came down to. You know us telling Harry is. You know look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► We you know we look to America's new but we want to keep everything gender neutral now so you know call us back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► when you have. You know a women's option or something or when you. When it's no longer so. Males have AK. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► I'm fine with that. I think that would be a good idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► This is an easy one to solve this does not require changing the show. This requires changing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:16 ◼ ► Like to sponsors to basically say. You know sorry we're going to have this new policy now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2956">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► You know we have to work with you in the future. You know that we can work this out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► So I think that's an easy easy low hanging fruit to change that. I don't care at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► I don't think the language of the sponsor reads is itself a major part of the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► I've actually edited the reads a couple weeks ago we did a spot for Jack Threads which was very male focused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► and I had very heavily edited the read and to remove. You know things that were like. Obviously you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► Men in a style that I thought was not appropriate for like a gender neutral show. So I edited the script. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► No big deal i do i had every script I get to do be more in our style or to be easier to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:59 ◼ ► or to say things that I think should be said and delete things I think shouldn't be said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/2999">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► You know editing scripts in that deal. But I think the script is not the problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► The product of the problem what's being advertised. Is the problem here if you can make this argument. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► So it doesn't matter how I say it it matters. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► And I were advertising products that are clearly aimed at just men and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► You know what does that suggest to the women in our audience who are listening. And so yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► My argument is my idea was why don't we just drop these handful of sponsors the do this you know. It would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► It's never fun to drop a sponsor like. I feel bad it could hurt relationships. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► You know it's inconvenient for them if they are counting on you but I'd be perfectly fine to do this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► I am I disagreed because I don't think the problem is necessarily that the line of products that are am just a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► because there are these are men shaving supplies. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► First of all the reality is the most are audience as men so this is you know advertisers want to have ads targeted at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► the people who think of listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3057">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► but I thought the problem was basically having to do with the reeds because it's OK to have a product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► Focused on just I.O.'s users just just men just women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► Just people in a particular state just people who live a lot of our stuff is just people in the US. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► For example because a lot of people dogs companies as we hear. Don't ship overseas right so we hear about that too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► Right. Just for people in the U.S. or Whatever. I think the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:25 ◼ ► The problem actually is with how the reads can be done because. Just because you have a product for men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3085">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► Doesn't mean the ad read has to be targeted at MIT and that sounds great like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► when you mean of course as with argument to cry from an example some gave me on Twitter as. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► What if you were selling some sort of you know whether it be shaving or anything else product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► It was just for women a leg shaving razor with the handles are just for shaving woman's legs or something like what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► Whatever it is or like some kind of product that only or mostly women use if we did that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:56 ◼ ► and read the inclination would be the fairly shameful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3116">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► Inclination but I imagine would be to pitch it as in like oh it's like buy this for your wife or girlfriend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► or whatever as an as and you know assuming that our audience is mostly men which again we rethink it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► and just saying well you know of course only men listen to this do Deck pocket so let me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► If I ever do if it's a woman's product we have to do the ad read differently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:18 ◼ ► But it's meant product we say hey you will like this you as an M L thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3138">TS</a>]
00:52:22 ◼ ► And I think when you do and you know you said you would just add the language. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3142">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► When you do an ad read for a woman's product. You should pitch it. As if the person listening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► Might be a man or woman and not saying the woman is going to use themselves. By this for the man in your life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► but like if it's totally focused man's product like again you assume all our listeners are hundred percent women how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:45 ◼ ► Be different if it would be different than probably the ad read is as making people feel excluded because we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3165">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► used to living in a world where there are certain products and just that men are just it went right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► We always see ads on television or in the newspapers or whatever billboards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► That are specifically and men or at women for whatever reason if you want to say that these products are culturally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► The for men are mostly for women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► None of us feel like we get offended by that unless we listen there are watch the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► and every single ad is like you should buy this for yourself and it's a woman focused product I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► but I'm not a woman why do you keep saying you it's not me like you never you never pitched this product to me as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► you could buy this is a gift for a woman that you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:22 ◼ ► It's always you buy this for yourself it makes you feel like geez maybe I should be watching this program because all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3202">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► the dads for women stuff. Are telling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:29 ◼ ► Are telling me that I should buy it for myself don't they know I'm not a woman seems like maybe this is not the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3209">TS</a>]
00:53:33 ◼ ► for me. So I think the existence of gender specific products is perfectly fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3213">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► Especially of the not an overwhelming majority of like of all of our ads are men only products that's a big problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► but of one out of all of our sponsors all recurring sponsors men only. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► I don't see it as a big deal but I think the admin the reeds themselves. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:47 ◼ ► Have to be done in a way that's not like hey you should buy the stuff yourself because that's exclusive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3227">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► That's excluding people that the existence of the ad is not excluding people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► I think the way the edit pitches excluding people. And I think the fact that our audience mostly men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► You know that there is the root problem here in the symptom is the fact that advertisers who advertise things for only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► men want to advertise on our program. If we got our audience to fifty fifty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► Maybe Harry would be less interesting in advertising with us the Mets fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► But like they're interested now because they think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► I think most of our listeners the men are probably right and that's the root problem of trying to solve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► I'm not entirely sure getting rid of that ad would change the gender disparity I think you just need to be presented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► and. My idea for the past Harry Reid was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:27 ◼ ► We should read just like I said due to Harry Reid as if one hundred percent of our listeners are women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3267">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► and see if anyone notices. Like see people get confusing go. I didn't understand that had it wasn't for men's products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► Why are you out. Were tossing it to women it was all would assume hundred percent of the people isn't a short women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► Because you know talk pod cast. Listeners are mostly women we didn't we did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► Didn't get to that before we did the the I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► and read before I use communicated that idea to Mark about thought that would be a fun thing to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► But that just shows like The fact is that doesn't suck that's not how it's done shows that like everyone to serve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► tacitly agreeing that like yeah well we just assume most listeners are women. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► And that's the problem that's the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► or trying to solve so I'm I'm not entirely opposed to just in Harry's But I think that's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► It can be done in a way that is more inclusive than it is than it is done now. I agree with most of what you said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► The problem is most of the examples of the negative things that you used. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► Are things that we don't actually have in our at things that we don't say things that aren't in our ads aren't in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► scripts and I like aren't in our remarks usually even like yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► Most of them are pretty neutral but we never make the explicit pitch to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► You should buy this for some man that you know for your father for your friend who's a guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► For your husband for your boyfriend we never make that pitch. It's never you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► Because that would that would be explicitly saying I'm addressing now you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► Woman listening to this program we never do that it's always. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:55 ◼ ► You should buy it for yourself it's great it's much better than what you currently been buying it's all about YOU YOU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3355">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► YOU YOU are a man. Never the other side and so that I think that bounces off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► Even though you was like generic and not gender specific. When it's a male focused product it makes you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► We never go the other way. In any degree. I could see that. But I mean to me I think the solution there is not to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► Not to have to address that issue either direction. Like why. Why do we need to advertise products on our show No. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► That are only useful to men or only aimed at men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► But those products exist like Would you reject a product that was focused only on women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► Like I mean it's a saint there's just some products like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► and again who says it's only like you're always doing get pantyhose who says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► Men can't wear pantyhose they totally can but culturally speaking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► Percentage wise blah blah blah blah blah for the most part. Cetera et cetera lots of caviar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:46 ◼ ► Sons of oil that's a whole separate culture issue but fact is there are products that are more often bought by woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3406">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► Men only not women only there ought to be excluding from the definitions but we all know I mean about these. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► You know if Harry Potter is on their Web site is men's shaving products. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3418">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► That's what they're going for I don't think it's crazy to make a product focus specifically on the needs of either men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► or women and whatever particular things they want to do. I think you should have both of those things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► Shame we never we will never be able to get women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► Products for women things because we can't get more when listening to the pros. To the shows that we're trying to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► But I think if we ever got to distribution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► I would gladly take a quote unquote of women only advertiser any day of the week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► And just as much as I think it would take a men only one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► If it takes ditching the men only sponsors to get more women to listen I'd also be willing to do that but I feel like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► And some people also reply to this the like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► There's no need to ditch the hairy spots just be more inclusive in the reeds. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► But you said the problem is when you go to this site it's all right but it's the reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► The product is for men but women buy products that are for men as gifts. All the time. Well but see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:50 ◼ ► See I just I pulled up the Harry's read a discussion as I pulled of the you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3470">TS</a>]
00:57:55 ◼ ► My script that everyone we do these ads and. There's nothing in it that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3475">TS</a>]
00:58:00 ◼ ► That presupposes that you are a man directly I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3480">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► The only thing is the absence of something like oh get this for a man in your life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► Like I don't say anything like that but I also. Don't say Get this for a woman in your life like. It's like I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► The Had does not specify gender it does I agree it has the built in assumption that this ad I'm reading. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► Saying you know. You should go get this you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► You can do that but you've been annoyed by buying razors the normal way you should get this because it's better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► Women have also been annoyed at buying raises normal way like it's like that like looking at this like I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► This what I'm saying I don't think the script that I that I actually use and practice for these kind of ads. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► I don't think the script is really the problem I think the. What is being advertised. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► If this is going to be a problem at all if. If you can say we want to avoid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► You know advertisers that might suggest a male focus or a male bias or male only stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► I think the issue is the advertisers themselves. Because you know we can edit the scripts to be neutral. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► Or if they aren't already. But you know if. If a bunch of women go to the Harrys site. And it says these are for men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► Well that's why if you said by the sort of man your life you'd be explicit about the fact that it says a men's product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► or if that's how they frame it and women use it too but this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► This is their companies making product of their And specifically of men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► And it might be a good gift idea because if you know someone who has problems you know is complaining about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► shaving situation you can get this for them. Like and trying to be inclusive with the read. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► Is more than just leaving it neutral because neutral plus men's product equals not neutral. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► But if you're going to try to do go in the other direction make sure that people are included in like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► And the same thing with that you know. To balance things out if we can get a woman only sponsor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► but I don't know if we can do that with the audience breakdown that we all feel like we have the I would say that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:51 ◼ ► script editing is necessary but not sufficient to solve the problem. Well I mean you know like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3591">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► That's that's possible as well I just I just feel like I would rather add sponsors than remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► You know to me because Harris's like with the reason we keep doing here is read is because it's a good product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► and you know people know this but we are fairly picky about the sponsors that we take for the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► If we don't think it's actually a decent product we don't take it. But on the other hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:16 ◼ ► Of all the sponsors that we have we have I don't know maybe ten like regular recurring sponsors most of the time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3616">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► I think only one or two are gender specific like work tech show we're not a health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► and beauty show we're not a fashion show we're a tech show and tech. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► As much as it often isn't tech should be gender neutral. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► And so most of our sponsors like Squarespace and hover and fractionally these are all totally ignoring gender. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► We don't it doesn't matter what gender you are to use glide like it like I think there are enough people out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► It's a tech show. Like most responses or tech sponsors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:57 ◼ ► If you can say it's kind of a fluke that we have sponsors like Harry isn't already Parker. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3657">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► Because we're not a show about shaving our glasses you know like we have a certain kind of audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► but it is a lot more focused. To run a tech ad on our show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► Than to run an ad for anything outside of tech because you at least know that we have this many people who care a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► I agree with you that in practice mean in theory of the gender of ad should matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► and it can be attended to be neutralized or at least not you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:30 ◼ ► but we're a tech show we only have a couple of advertisers who are who are gender specific. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3690">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► We don't necessarily need to maintain that status quo. What I'm curious to hear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► And I can't pass judgment on this because I'm not a woman and so I don't really know. But what I'm curious to hear is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► Is it better to just quietly not have male focused sponsors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► Or is it better like John was saying to specifically call out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► This is for the women that are listening get this for the man in your life or even get this for yourself. I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► I feel like maybe it would almost be more inclusive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► and say that this ad which is sensibly is for men were making it for women because we want to be inclusive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► But I don't know I'm not a woman I don't know how that feels like a lot of a lot of the things that you do for her. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► Groups that are marginalized. As you know. To to try. You're trying to make them feel welcome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► Right and neutral things like Squarespace. Don't push them away. But also don't make them feel particularly welcome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► The best case would be as focused on women. Because that would really make them through this is a product for you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:47 ◼ ► We are advertising it at you. This is a thing for you. We're talking to you now. Right. That would be best. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3767">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► Second best I feel like is. If there is an ad that may be in aiding to try to be inclusive in that read to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3773">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► Even though it sounds like this is not for you this show is still for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► and in fact I'm talking to you as if as if you as if the hundred percent of the audience is women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► And I'm going to pitch this product for men to you specifically you would listen there as a woman is one of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:16 ◼ ► thing as using you know she pronouns and all of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3796">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► The you're wise you know why that she had all the time like what you're trying to balance the scales of the massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► inequity in the tech world. Throw a little pronouns in one direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► Is no reason to complain and it's more inclusive because people would say. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► Oh I'm used to every single vandal being a he water or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► and I'm guilty as anyone of constantly using hey you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► People take note that something used she and this example is not interesting. You know. Like I would. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► I wish I was on all the time they are trying you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► It is such a tiny drop in the bucket against all the other things that have stacked against them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► The least the very literally the very least you can do is try to make things like that. More equitable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► Dropping that entirely. But also kind of make it more equitable but then how do you how do you call out to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► I don't know. Right that's that's what I'm saying that's a really good summary of what I was trying to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► Speaking of advertisers it's been awhile since we should frog move along with the advertising part by talking about ads. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► And we have more to say in this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► but I think we can in the ad part of it with a gender neutral ad for our friends at hover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3860">TS</a>]
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01:05:08 ◼ ► And a real live human being picked up the phone immediately and is willing and able to help you. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3908">TS</a>]
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01:05:23 ◼ ► Across all the domain extensions out there and believe me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3923">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► There are a lot of demand extensions out there now if you haven't searched for domain recently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► Oh my God there's a lot a lot of new. Mostly terrible but sometimes good options for your the various fields you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► You can stick on the end of them. So now you can get you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► Glass half empty the plumbing that's probably out there somewhere. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► If you've ever used any other domain registrar as you probably have had at best a mediocre experience many of them are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:51 ◼ ► This is not it does not a great business usually. It's unpleasant often. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3951">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► It's also very complicated usually at most other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► Places to buy what you actually needed to record let me just regular domain I don't need a bunch of add on services. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► I don't need a bunch of like stuff to protect me from spammers. Like should not just come with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► Just you know give me a name. With reasonable settings please. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► This is what Hubbard specializes in they don't try to up sell you with all sorts of crazy stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► So for example that the protect me from spammers they know who is privacy. That just comes with hover names like they. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► They just give you that because they know it why would you not want that. So that's just included. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3982">TS</a>]
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01:06:37 ◼ ► You know most demand registrars are you would not call them good looking sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/3997">TS</a>]
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01:08:06 ◼ ► Finishing the general discussion both never finished but continuing the senator's question for the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► I think if we're talking about the content of the show. So I asked if my wife. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► Earlier this evening as I said we're going to talking about this and I asked her like you know what does she think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► What can we do to address this problem you know from her point of view. And what I've heard from a lot of people and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► and we heard from arguably even people in the chat have said this in the last half hour we've been talking with us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► We have a lot of listeners who have wives or girlfriends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► or who are themselves women who listen for the for like the more human general parts of the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► But don't don't like or don't listen for the in-depth programming stuff. And this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► This is certainly an issue we're talking about because it's not that there are no women programmers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4137">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► But as we know the ratio of. You know that the gender breakdown and in engineering jobs is really nowhere near even. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► So this is. This is a bigger problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► I will note that we often get the exact same feedback from men who are not programmers who listen to the show but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► But I would imagine it's. It's proportionally. We keep hearing this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► As one of the reasons why women don't like our show or don't listen to all of our show or listeners are consistently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► You guessed I mean to some degree we can say like well you know just like we said earlier the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► The format of the show is the three of us like we don't have guest hosts. We could look at this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► This topic and we can say well. Do we just say like well we are programming show sometimes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► Or it is something that we should change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► or some them both that will just always be this way what do you think this is explicitly outside the bounds of my goals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► My set up was of all the people in the world who I think would enjoy our show how many of them are not listening to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► And our show means our show as it exists. We could appeal to a much broader base if we talked about politics or sports. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► But that's not the show. Like anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► You know there's broad topics and is now our topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► and we only talk about the details of a specific kind of model train our audience would be way smaller right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► We're doing what we're talking about what we are passionate about it has a necessarily a narrow audience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► We can always broaden things up and get a larger audience and broaden things up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:33 ◼ ► And again I just pick politics a sport because those are pretty broad topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4233">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► Way more people care about politics and sports than care about any of the stuff we talk about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► But this is the show we want to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► I will never give up talking about the minutiae of programming languages than operating systems and an A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► Is a lot of stuff because that's what I want to talk about on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► My focus is entirely on their women out there who are interested in the minutiae of programming languages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► and file systems and crap like that who are listening to the show because of stuff we're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4257">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► To signal to the end of the show is not for them and that is entirely where my focus is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► I think we do talk about broader topics occasionally lot of that might be as some of the feedback was pointing out that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:14 ◼ ► That we occasionally talk about touchy feely things that occasionally gets a broader top maybe it's not clear from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4274">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► outside that occasionally we talk about programming language for half an hour and you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► Maybe that would bring in more people as well. But in general. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► I want the show to be about tech stuff and we're all interest that we all have our own little tech tech pet peeves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:33 ◼ ► and hangouts and things we want to go superintend up with and that's never going to change because that's the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4293">TS</a>]
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01:11:51 ◼ ► Not to say a big range but it's definitely you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4311">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► There it's not as narrow as it seems on the outside I think in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4315">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► or in some respects it's more narrow in particular areas but we do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► Sort of go to all these other islands and the different ends of the spectrum. Yeah. I completely agree. I think we. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► The three of us really love doing this show and. It's not that we are opposed to making tweaks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► But I think we're opposed to making tremendous changes and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► And I think that having the show be an accident having the show yes we have shown notes that we kind of work off of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:32 ◼ ► every week. But we just kind of throws things against the wall and sometimes they stick and sometimes they don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4352">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► And keeping that format is critical in much the same way is keeping the three of us is critical and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► I'm totally good with tweaking here and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► but to dramatically change the content of the show would be changing the show entirely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► And I think the best part of that specific we had about that is related to our recent revelation that people didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► know the after show existed because we would always put the stuff on the after show to try to maintain the balance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► Some semblance of like uniformity of like well there's mostly the tech stuff in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► and if we have something it's less tech related because the show is called axonal Tech podcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► We should save the most non techie stuff. Or the time we just want to talk about like cars or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► For the after show. But having learned that a lot of people did know the at the show even existed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► All of the feel like we've gotten and what we're doing now is say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► Don't leave stuff in the after show because have to leave alone even though it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► and because it makes it seem like it's not as important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► Move it to the main show which we are doing today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► and I think in the future will be less maybe will still keep the car stuff there. But you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► Nobody likes that except the biggest car is how I feel like the cars have your narrow appeal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► but then you've got to be a techno and be super into cars the your percentages start going down right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:45 ◼ ► But for things that have broader appeal than tech like little like women in tech I think hell is a broader topic than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4425">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► age of us plus. That should be in the main show I think that is definitely a change we're going to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► Because we were talking about that anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:57 ◼ ► But I have least was under the impression like this is the separation the show is like just dividing things up on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4437">TS</a>]
01:14:04 ◼ ► That's the get over there where things go and we don't really want to talk about them and you know like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4444">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► It wasn't a lesser part the after show was not lesser in any way but it's lesser people don't even know it exists. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► We definitely need to move that its main course versus desert really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► and you know we Last week we had this on the topic list. We had of the things in front of it because like of news. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► And we could have done it the after show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► and we chose not to because we wanted to give it the attention of being a main topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► That's why it was up first this week as the first main topic. Yep absolutely. One more thing in the chat room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► Says he's talking to someone who is both in there and saying three men discussing what women like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:46 ◼ ► and don't like Matter fact is very patronizing women are individuals which I tried to make that point in the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4486">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► that maybe missed that part of the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:53 ◼ ► Yes all the feedback we're getting is from a bunch of different people none of them represents all women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4493">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► They just are themselves which is why you need a lot of feedback from a lot of different people there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► None of the none of these women speak for all women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► We are trying to address woman as a group and so I have to discuss them as a group. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► But it's you just have to it we're talking about them collectively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► but every person is different every woman is different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► So I said the individual who backs a moment or someone is that they're individuals they're not a group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► but we are trying to address them as a group so you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► It's people not want to hear three men talking about we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:26 ◼ ► but what we're trying to do is address them as a group as a how can we make it's our show is not doing fewer things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4526">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► that make you feel like the show is not for you and you are the collective noun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► Not any particular individual because if we wanted to address an individual we could simply ask that individual. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► What do you specifically want and address them and get that one thing we are trying to address. Woman as a group. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:47 ◼ ► We're not going to do something that everybody likes and everybody hates we're just trying to do the best we can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4547">TS</a>]
01:15:51 ◼ ► You know I mean that's why we last a lot of people not just one person and this issue is so big and so important. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4551">TS</a>]
01:15:59 ◼ ► And so on everyone's mind right now especially like this has come up so much this year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4559">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► And you know with the whole game or gate. Horribleness and. This is affecting the entire industry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► We would be irresponsible of us not I would be weird if we didn't address this it would be weird if we didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► What can we do to improve this with our show like this is a full topic this is a relevant topic that we have to cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► and it actually is tech related because the tech industry of interesting with this massive problem is not just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► and lawyers have much more have representation of women than Is that going to like is a big problem in tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► and in gaming in these things like So it is totally attack topic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► Not that we need to be affected because we can talk about cars another healthy on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► but this is this is actually in fact opic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► And we're going to keep discussing it this is not for me the last time you hear about this topic on our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► and work on because like. You know. During the show. When I'm talking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► After the show when I listen to myself to hear all the things I did wrong. I know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► Like you know I I did it seventeen times in the show. Deferring to people as he by default. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► Using using male standard pronouns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► and discussions from Melbourne Specht of like happens all the time it is very different not that I'm saying is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► excuse but it's difficult to change we are working on it like. We're trying to like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► We just need to get way better at it and constantly hearing feedback from women to tell us when we're doing it wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► Like they will tell us things we don't notice ourselves like all the things that I notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► or things that people have told me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► and that's why I noticed the right so that feedback is essential in that engagement of like asking women to tell us you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► They're going to have conflicting opinions they don't speak with one voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:34 ◼ ► but you don't ask you're never going to know like like. What was the one that I highlighted from the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4654">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► The the ideas about asking women to listen to the show why they're not a current to me I don't know. But like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► If you don't expose who say women who love tech stuff we have attack pike as you might want to listen to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► They're not going to come and you know to me like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► That's called being inviting literally you're literally inviting them specifically them not just like people like out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► there people if you're interested in tech you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► People used to say to me that they you know they like the show whatever. And I would say that's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:05 ◼ ► Tell your nerdy friends about the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4685">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► and I would suppose I would say Tell your nerdy friends because under Tell your friends because your friends probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► aren't into. You know the minutia that we talk about a Tech podcast tell your nerdy friends right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:18 ◼ ► At this point I would modify that to do a specific cause tell your dirty friends including your nerdy girl friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4698">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► and like why do you have to call not specifically because I think most people just hear nerd and picture a guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► Which is wrong but like that's that's the stereotype right so you have to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► You have to actually make an actual assertive effort to combat the overwhelming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► Bias of the entire tech world towards analogous if you do nothing. It will just default to male everywhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► And that's what we're trying to avoid here and it's. It's difficult to do. We all do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► I know I'm trying not to do it. You know. Every call plea for getting better. A little bit maybe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► But yeah the discussions like this will hopefully produce some more feedback. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► And will get more ideas and do better things going forward. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► You know I'm just going to agree more and I mean all of us are trying all three of us are trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► and I'm sure we're all three of us have said some really dumb crap just no help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► but it's from a good place for what it's worth and we're trying to get better so if you are a woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► or girl because I want to be this is a just that's what it's cumbersome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► but like I don't have you know want to feedback I've gotten many many times that female is not a great way to refer it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► which I've done three times in the Charedi understand the like it's so clinical and just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► But women and girls as it were talking about because I don't want to exclude kids from kids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:42 ◼ ► I would love to show when I was a kid. Kids should listen to the show. Girl kids boy kids everybody and women and men. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4782">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► Show for everybody really. Well my dear nerd. If you sell to identify. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:53 ◼ ► If you self identify as a is someone who is female. Then please if you have feedback. Then let us know. And if your do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4793">TS</a>]
01:20:02 ◼ ► Then I'm sure you're going to give us or your feedback anyway because that's exactly what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4802">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► when John asked specifically for women and girls to get. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► I don't mind I don't want to call that I knew it was going to happen like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► I admit being had being the cynical person that I am I part of the reason I got excitement about explicitly tweeting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► To women and girls like their tweet was to them. The new a million guys would answer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► I just said it's my answer center. I have it. One hundred percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:29 ◼ ► I have a sufferer of this I'm not just a client on the president OK we all are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4829">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► And sure enough like you can go through the thread try to count up did more men than women. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► I mean Grant I probably have more male followers than women I looked at my collar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► or ratio with one of the tools to try to figure out of your man around just massively on balance of wrong doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► I've been trying to adjust my fall campaign to like the people I fall I've been on following men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► and following women to try to get even close like. I'm not even close to parity but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► Tons of men answered this question. And I'm not going to like shame them for answering. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► Because I understand why they did it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► And you know their input is just as you know useful as anyone else's I just have to understand their input is coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:10 ◼ ► from Melbourne specked if you want to think about a perspective which is what I was asking for look you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4870">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► There they could be saying the exact same things that the women are saying is also a good idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► Right but you know people jump on the bearing of like. I didn't ask you men to like. Bottom line on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► If I address the question to only people who have a Playstation four thousand X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► Box owners would answer me that has nothing to do with gender people just want to say what they want to say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:34 ◼ ► Like you know. It really doesn't you know. But you know. Male answer syndrome is a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4894">TS</a>]
01:21:39 ◼ ► And I don't want to shame any of the men who answered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4899">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► I swear I didn't reply to any of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:43 ◼ ► and telling them I didn't ask you I was asking like all feedback welcome you can control who answers your questions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4903">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► You know. Just my very person who gets pressure but this is a W Z. Jamie was names that when ski over the old. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► Yet he always has like tech questions on his blog and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► He's fairly famous and so when he asked a question like many of us he gets lots of different answers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► But he's so angry at people not answering the question he asked he always says. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► I want to figure out how to get extra work with why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► Don't tell me how I can do it by Kampala my own thing don't tell me how I can write a program to do a don't tell me if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:15 ◼ ► I use a different operating system I wouldn't have this problem don't tell me this program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4935">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► or do I want to use this program with this thing in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► And then a million people have terminated ignore me they just tell them that they are not really use Gentoo in Kampala [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► from source implants like it's impossible I don't know why fight that battle I don't fight that battle all feedback is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► I will gladly find the a feedback that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► and read it out read the other ones too I can file it away to my own mind please never feel like you shouldn't respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► anything even if I explicitly address the question to be asked for owners. If you are an X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► Box owner and you want to give me an answer. Just make it clear you're an X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:44 ◼ ► Box on her and I'll put it in the right been an O.B. Find our final sponsor this week. Which is also gender neutral. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4964">TS</a>]
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01:23:04 ◼ ► So fracture is great I have tons of fracture prints hang up all over my office all over our house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4984">TS</a>]
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01:23:14 ◼ ► People like a compliment to time people who see this in my office. People love these things they make great gifts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► You know any. You know holidays of course Mother's Day is coming up crap that generous with. Kind of. Well anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5001">TS</a>]
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01:23:40 ◼ ► Reason to give people give to exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► And if you want to get a picture printed fractures the way to do it because here's here's what's great about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5022">TS</a>]
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01:23:54 ◼ ► The ink is printed right on the back side of it and shining through the front so that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5034">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► That way you know the is not going to scratch off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► If anything happens to the front glass is not going to scratch off or anything to deserve durable things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► But also because the glass is really thin. It looks like the picture is printed on the top. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► So you use nice like reflective glossy photo printer looks like it is just the picture on the front glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► but it's nice and shiny and durable. And also because it's because the glass layer so thin. They're light. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► So you can have like a nice big nice big print that mean I want to have but my desk I have a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► I have a pair of them of my computer that I think are like eleven by seventeen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► And they don't weigh that much like a framed picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► That same size of way more because the frame with way more fracture prints they have this thing glass layer on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► behind it is like some foam that then like a some foam board. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► And so you can hang as you can put a little picture hangnail in there would ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:47 ◼ ► So the whole thing is actually pretty lightweight It looks like it's a solid piece of glass. But it's thin glass. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5087">TS</a>]
01:24:53 ◼ ► Adhere to foam board. So it really gives the best of everything from a practical point of view like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5093">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► I'm always afraid I'm hanging a big pictures have a couple of large free imprints Ameri my office two I'm always afraid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► They're going to shatter whatever they're going to get broken during shipping maybe fracture I've never had a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► They've never broken things and they never you know tore the nail out of the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:13 ◼ ► or anything you don't need a giant nail to hand in because they don't weigh that much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5113">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► They're just they're very practical they have desk mounts all sir desk stands and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► Again you I wouldn't feel bad like if I have one of the my desk. And I actually knocked it over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► Probably wouldn't break even felt from my desk onto the floor about it wouldn't break. Because they're just there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► They're durable they're well built and they're just looking credible others said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► Tons of compliments on these things and everybody sees no house with what that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► and people who are familiar with the people who heard the show who don't come to my house the first time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► They always look like or those fractures they look really nice. Like as actually happened numerous times now. So yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► I always hear about them they're fantastic. They're also really affordable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► So their prices start just fifteen bucks for the five by five square print. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► That's the kind that I kind of famously now I MADE my. My row of app. Icons hang about my window and using this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5157">TS</a>]
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01:26:24 ◼ ► There's lots of people take photos of the beast of the thought of it earlier. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5184">TS</a>]
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01:26:55 ◼ ► So you've been busy Marco and. You've been working on overcast. Specifically for the Apple Watch and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5215">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► From what we've gathered to John and I. John and me whatever. What. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► What who have gathered what you want to make a third to gas or now. Now I'll just quit while I'm behind. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► So what have you been up to lately and what is what is caused you to make all these changes. So I got the Apple Watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► I got I got the one that was shipped on the first day they were available so arrogant twenty fourth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► And I started using my. I had written the at before then. And I started using the app on the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► And within like a day. I already looked at it what I've made I'm like OK this works but not very good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:44 ◼ ► And there's a number of things about this I'm not going to go into a whole of like specific detail of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5264">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► worked and didn't because that's all that's better off as a blog post really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► and therefore I wrote a blog post with tons of images. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► And it's always bad to describe all that image stuff on a podcast so also that from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5275">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► when I published a blog post which will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► when the new versions approved I basically restructured the entire interface. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► The original interface of it mimicked the three level navigation hierarchy of the i Phone app so you have like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► Level is list of playlist and pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► Then you pick one of those an apostle unit the second level which is a list of episodes in the thing you picked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:22 ◼ ► And you pick an episode and push you to a third level which is the Now Playing screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5302">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► And you can go back to the other levels and changing whatever. So I replicated that structure on to the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► So I had you know launch the app an easy you know. List of things list of episodes and now playing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► In reality anyone who's had a watch has has probably seen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:40 ◼ ► Weird lags and delays with loading apps loading watch what apps watch kid is really slow at times and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5320">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► Like in general one things are loaded it's fine but the process of of loading a nap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► It's doing all sorts of crazy optimizations and power savings and everything. And so like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► Whatever it's doing to conserve power. It's it has occasional bugs still and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► I don't know if it's because going over Bluetooth or it's because this is just you know. Watch O.-S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:10 ◼ ► One point zero And these are one point zero bugs. Probably some combination of both. If I can take a guess. But anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5350">TS</a>]
01:29:18 ◼ ► Watch kit apps are fragile to some degree. Like. And they're inconsistent. The more you ask them to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5358">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► The more you exacerbate this problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► I had a number of issues with my three level navigation structure being given to the watch. One of the issues was that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► What I really wanted most of the time was the Now Playing a screen to show up first because it's usually what you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► to interact with like changing things on the Now Playing screen. Seeing what's playing seeing how much time is left. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► Seeking back and forth then it may be recommending it is something I frequently do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► Often times like I'll be out walking my dog or something and I love what I'm listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► and I want to commend it so I want to quickly go to watch it recommend him back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► but you know about what I was doing stuff like that that none of that is going back to the list of pod cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► and list of play lists like that's something I hardly ever do. On the Go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► And if I'm going to that I can take my phone out. I had built this app to mimic the structure of the I O. S. App. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► In practice. That was adding a lot of complexity to lots of things. Suffice to say. I restructured the whole app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► And now it is it is centered on rather than being a three level navigation hierarchy where the final level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► and I'm playing screen now is basically a single screen interface where the the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:32 ◼ ► The only the root level is the Now Playing screen and any any other functions are brought up by slide up model. Sheets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5432">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► That structure I this is not coming across well in a pod cast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:44 ◼ ► but that structure ends up working a lot better because it's simple because it's asking watch get to load a lot less on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5444">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► start up like rather than loading you through the of these medications hierarchy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:53 ◼ ► It is now loading one screen in my correct. Characterizing this change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5453">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► As you choosing to do the things the watch can do. Quickly or responsibly. Over the things the watch those slowly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► Yes so this. This is why this is the part I want to actually talk about on the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► That does translate well to a podcast which is like my initial inclination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► and I think what a lot of people would have initially tried to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► and did try to do with watch Kid My initial inclination was well here's this device that is a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► That is another app platform for i OS. So let's pored over the I O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► Interface to make the watch a version of the app. It's assuming that the watch version of the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► Should be like the i Phone version of the app. Not only is that wrong. But I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► I think there's a deeper thing that's even more wrong about it. I think you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► You can look at what happened with these platforms growing up so far. You know first Apple developers made mac apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► And then I.O.'s came along and so a lot of the mac developers. Some point. Have tried in the last seven years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► To to make an i O. S. Version of their mac app to see or and i OS counterparts their mac app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► Usually these have not gone that well you know there are some that work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► There are a lot that don't there's a lot of apps that can be perfectly great useful in demand apps on a mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► That just like. Just the realities of I O. S. Devices or the or I O. S. The platform the O.-S. Itself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► Age doesn't work well on I O. S. Like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► You know maybe maybe things that need precise mouse control keyboard shortcuts big screens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► That kind of stuff like I'm not going to edit the pod cast on an i Pad even though I can if there are tools to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► but I can do it so much better on a mac than I could ever do. On an i Pad that I'm going to learn a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:46 ◼ ► You know there are certain things like that where like something might be technically possible to migrate over to a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5566">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► platform. But not useful or compelling. Compared to just you know having a be on on one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► And same thing applies there in the opposite direction like a lot of I.O.'s things are not very compelling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► or useful on the Mac. They're there compelling you follow us and you can say the same thing between. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► I Phones and i Pads. Many things work better on one device and the other. It's cetera so from that point of view alone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► You can look at the watch and the assumption that the watch. Should have apps. Corresponding to your i Phone app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► You know whatever whatever app you make or whatever after thinking of using. Chances are most. I Phone apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► Don't need watch components. And probably shouldn't have watched components like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► For most i Phone apps a watch component is not that compelling. And not that useful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► In practice especially considering what the watch can do today like there's limitations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► You know just things watch it can do this quite a lot of things watch it can do it's a very simple system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:50 ◼ ► So there's no limitations of what Watch it can and can't do. Plus just you know it's speed and bugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5630">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► Is also just like inherent qualities of the watch as as a platform or as a physical device like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5636">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► I Phones have gotten bigger over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► but they're still relatively handheld touchscreen devices like they're still like the same general size class of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► they've always been there are things that can fit in your pocket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:17 ◼ ► That you can pick up and probably use with one hand and then put back in your pocket when you're done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5657">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► I Pads are bigger things they don't fit in most pockets. They can fit in most bags but not most pockets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► And you use them generally with two hands. And you know the and that the sidelines. Laptops are different laptops. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:35 ◼ ► You know. Even the super small ones like that like the MacBook one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5675">TS</a>]
01:34:39 ◼ ► Laptops are different like you generally don't put them in any pockets of any size garment. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5679">TS</a>]
01:34:44 ◼ ► So there's these different classes and as a technology progresses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5684">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► Most of those major lines between those different size classes don't change. You know. Laptops. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:56 ◼ ► Even the super small ones that the night book one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5696">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► Are generally not going to be brought in somebodies hand back to dinner. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► If they don't have two laptops are generally not going to be in your back pocket. You know like it's. This is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:09 ◼ ► This is just how it like how things work so a laptop is not going to be always with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5709">TS</a>]
01:35:14 ◼ ► and i Pad is not going to be always with you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5714">TS</a>]
01:35:17 ◼ ► You know you might have it in in your house but it might not be in the same room that you're in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5717">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► And no matter how much that knowledge of progress is no matter how you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:25 ◼ ► Thin and light these things get how good the batteries get whatever else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5725">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► Those broad strokes those broad lines tend not to shift. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:33 ◼ ► Blue whatever like inherent limitations of a form factor exist. Tend to stay there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5733">TS</a>]
01:35:38 ◼ ► I Pads and i Phones are inherently limited by not having physical keyboards and precise mice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5738">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► Like that limits the kind of apps that work well on them the kind of use of the work on them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:49 ◼ ► And even if you get a keyboard for your i Pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5749">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► or whatever it's not the same it doesn't like those lines always exist right. So looking at the watch now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:59 ◼ ► The watch is always going. To be a relatively small screen. A very small battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5759">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► Current The I fix it tear down the watch is approximately a tenth the size of the i Phone six battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:15 ◼ ► So there's literally an order of magnitude less better capacity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5775">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► Also you know much like a screen I probably I don't know maybe a tenth of the screen area or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► Probably not that bad but it's you know. Close maybe a fifth of the screen area. It's. It's a much smaller thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:28 ◼ ► It's also on. It's also strapped to your arm and strapped to your wrist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5788">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► And so it is necessarily as we discussed last episode a device that. One of your hands can't operate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► And so you know you have to operate with your other hand or your nose or John's tongue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► or whatever the case may be like. So these are these inherent limitations of this device net. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► No matter how good the hardware inside the watch gets. As technology will go over time no to how good that gets. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► It's still always going to be a small screen. Strapped to one of your wrists. That will have probably you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► An order of magnitude less battery life. That whatever we can put into the phone in your pocket. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:09 ◼ ► That's what So there's assumption that many people have made that the watch is eventually going to replace the Smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5829">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► Phone Over time the watch will get its own cell radios and G.P.S. and That that part might happen. Then that over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► The watch will become the dominant computing platform that everything is just moving smaller and smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► and first it was computers and it was your phones. Now it's going to be your watch or eventually to be your watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► And because of all these limitations of these the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► You know as I was talking to these physical limitations physical characteristics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► I don't think that's ever going to happen. You just said ever didn't you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► I did I know that if it's time scale I know I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► but it will have you heard this from like I haven't I haven't heard all the watch coverage people saying the watch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:50 ◼ ► going to replace the phone where do you like the most coverage talking like near term who's who's on that bandwagon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5870">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► I've heard a lot of tech comment. Commenter said especially before the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► Out a lot of people said that that's where they were going. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► What's more interesting is that I have heard that now for almost everybody in real life was talking about the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► like people who are not like regular people think like oh this is the next new thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► Literally every single person who has asked me about the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► and we start talking about it that this isn't a huge group. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:21 ◼ ► But they have all said that every every normal person out there in the world thinks that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5901">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► I do think this is this is a valid thing to discuss and essentially pertains to after helpers. So you know as I said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:35 ◼ ► No matter how good the technology gets the phone. That's in your pocket. Is always going to have you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► Ten times the battery life. Five to ten times the screen space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► The ability to be used one handed in either of your hands. At any time. Way faster processor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:52 ◼ ► Bigger more aggressive power hungry radios. Things like that you know less aggressive power saving measures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5932">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► There's always going to be that difference. Just because of the physical differences between those two roles. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► As long as humans. Still only have two hands and their wrists. Aren't a foot wide. That's going to keep being the case. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► Do you do you foresee a future in which risk get a foot Why didn't people grow third and know like and so the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► I don't think the some of these people are talking about. I think if people are coming up to you and saying that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:26 ◼ ► They think they're asking you is that what your bus your phone they're talking about what you're talking about a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5966">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► term the reason like that the future is visionary whatever people say that long term. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:35 ◼ ► and so on are the future is because what they're in Visioning is important helper methods being radically different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5975">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► Doesn't matter how big screen is it will be projected on to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► and I could be whatever size you want to whatever discern you had you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► Right that's what you basically have to do because like you said you're never going to do the stuff you do on a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► On a screen that's false it's not going to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► If you're touching it with your fingers and looking at it with your eyeballs but if the thing is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► Acted on to your retinas and a virtual nineteen inch screen in front of you that comes and goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:02 ◼ ► when you blink your eyes are wayward like input method have to check. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6002">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► Input not one of the changed radically from what they are now. If you envision a world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► They only contains capacitive touch screens of various sizes then everything you're saying is one hundred percent true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► And that is our future for the next like many decades probably right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:17 ◼ ► But long long term I think the reason you hear all this wearable hype most of the wearable have I read is that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6017">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► As the cost and size of compute goes down to zero. Other things become possible. When everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:28 ◼ ► Your entire body is still the tiny microprocessors that are fifteen times more powerful than the eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6028">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► and it's all powered by style actress city from your stuff on your feet on the carpet and you know like like that's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:37 ◼ ► You need new input in up methods though. And you know something that goes directly into your eyeballs or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6037">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► You know via our goggles are the first giant clunky versions that are things that are in your ears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:47 ◼ ► and waving your hands around in the air like a next style hold. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6047">TS</a>]
01:40:50 ◼ ► Like that's I think what people are talking about the tech the tech people who talk about future world where balls of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6050">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► But the people are coming up to you our religion only I seems like asking you Are you not going to use your phone now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6056">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► that you have a postage stamp size capacitor touch screen and your wrist I hope you're telling them No that is exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► People are making that assumption. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► and that's going to keep being a thing as smart watches grow in popularity over the next few years like that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► The reason I asked before about like you're making choices for overcast based on what the phone can do quickly is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► The watch that things just as fast as the phone like multi-level hierarchy they work just like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► and you know like are you making the choice because it's the best you I conceptually. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► Are you are you saying Conceptually we better this labor practically speaking is too damn slow with Watch get so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► Design that I wouldn't otherwise choose just because performances you know so much more important than like navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► hierarchy or whatever like all you know. The performance like I'm into the whole reason the i Phone was awesome like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► You know what's different thing i Phone although that's phones like the performance so massively better it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6115">TS</a>]
01:42:01 ◼ ► step jump it in an experience right. So you're definitely making the right choice but like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6121">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► I'm wondering you know any kind of a shame that if you're forced to make that choice by crappy performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:11 ◼ ► I'm wondering if the choices will change as they watch evolves because although obviously always be able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► something more powerful than something the size of a phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:18 ◼ ► The watch will get faster and phone get faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6138">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► and they will soon you know march forward down the line of getting faster and so on eventuality the watch will be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► Hopefully like it you know native apps or watch cable be better or like five versions of the watch from now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:33 ◼ ► I'm hoping performance will be way way better and then. You know what will happen along with like them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6153">TS</a>]
01:42:38 ◼ ► You know given given that watch the five years from now watch where you were visit you or your you why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6158">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► and say now the performance isn't a factor. I might how it might I do this you why differently and I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► I think for the most part you can tell me because you were I was over really early on when i was i Phone No US right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:53 ◼ ► Did you ever have to make that choice on i OS like that you're making you why choices based on what the phone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6173">TS</a>]
01:43:00 ◼ ► actual phone did quit maybe with table views [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6180">TS</a>]
01:43:02 ◼ ► when they were scrolling really slow I don't know like did you ever have to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6182">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► Not really usually it was the opposite direction usually the things I would. I would think in my head before I did it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► That probably won't be fast enough and I would try and I'm like oh this phone hardware is not as bad as I thought. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► Like the way out the crazy way I would then say but I do pagination and detection of where pages and it was crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:22 ◼ ► And it worked. And I'm shocked that it worked. Or even with overcast as I've said before like with overcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6202">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► When I first was prototyping the audio engine with smart speed in voice boost. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► And the visual was there and they realize they all those things I thought would be too slow on the real hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:35 ◼ ► and then I write tried them. And they all were like Oh yeah. Two percent C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6215">TS</a>]
01:43:40 ◼ ► Usage like wow OK the aisle to do it then it was like yet another reason I'm wrong so they all their own the already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6220">TS</a>]
01:43:46 ◼ ► listed that the watch is different because I think it's the first Apple platform in a while except for maybe O S ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6226">TS</a>]
01:43:50 ◼ ► which also but Sloan a beginning. That like. That is the opposite it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6230">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► Actually it's slower than you think it is actually watched it has more limitations and you thought it might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6235">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► and not just like limitations in capability but like yeah you can do is watch good but have you seen what it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► and how long it takes a lot of those things right. So it's just a different mindset it's kind of going back to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6245">TS</a>]
01:44:10 ◼ ► I don't know like old world mindset where you just assume the computer is really slow and you had to be like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6250">TS</a>]
01:44:16 ◼ ► I got a fair what's a computer can do fast. And then make my after that because especially when it comes to you eyes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6256">TS</a>]
01:44:22 ◼ ► That's so much more important than conceptual purity or as some wire frame that you have that you fall in love with. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6262">TS</a>]
01:44:28 ◼ ► Well. But the fact is. What we're talking we're talking but like you know C.P.U. Performance really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6268">TS</a>]
01:44:34 ◼ ► But that's not the problem on the watch. See a mean we don't know. Our apps are not running on the watch a C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6274">TS</a>]
01:44:39 ◼ ► At all like we we really can't tell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6279">TS</a>]
01:44:42 ◼ ► Right it's a the whole Bluetooth connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6282">TS</a>]
01:44:44 ◼ ► or wife I between I were talking to the before like of that is never going to get faster faster faster until the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6284">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► gets faster and you get native apps because you know our least anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► My collective experience with wife I am Bluetooth is there some inherent Lagan out this just never going to go you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:58 ◼ ► never get that down to a point where it feels as responsive as something running on a device. Exactly and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6298">TS</a>]
01:45:02 ◼ ► But you know. Even that being said like you know. The as of the. The performance for things like tapping buttons like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6302">TS</a>]
01:45:09 ◼ ► Yeah you can feel there's lag there. But it's acceptable. Overall it's not great. It's it's acceptable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6309">TS</a>]
01:45:15 ◼ ► I haven't used the watch for a grand total of three and a half minutes. So far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6315">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► One of the first thing that it was like swipe through like the glances or whatever. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► Just just doing a swipe test. And it. It didn't feel slow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► But it kind of felt like a couple generations ago i Phone like this is not a demanding task is all happening on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:34 ◼ ► phone it's not watch get apps like it's just there you know I'm assuming it's got a view is all in memory I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6334">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► asking it to Open G.L. If I transition things from one to the next and responses wipes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:43 ◼ ► And it felt Will bit like didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6343">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► It didn't feel as snappy certainly not as unhappy as like an i Phone six maybe it felt like one of my all the i Pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► Touches or whatever. So even with native apps like. I think we're we're kind of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► We've moved back in time to at best Apple's own apps are have moved back in time several generations in the aisles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► world. Even for simple completely on device completely open G.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► Accelerated core animation transition from one tiny view to a next. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:10 ◼ ► Now totally And you know like the rumors I mean I don't think we've had any confirmation on this now that we've had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6370">TS</a>]
01:46:15 ◼ ► thing but the rumors are were always that it was roughly eighty five performance which would match. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6375">TS</a>]
01:46:21 ◼ ► Was that the architecture they thought it was like it's a tiny a five because it's got to be so massively under clocked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6381">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► in there we don't know right but I asked her home just. We had to go point a clock. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:31 ◼ ► but look I mean the reality is what we've seen the want to do it does certainly appear that computational performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6391">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► is not limiting factor here. At least not for any watch get up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► But that is it isn't even seem to be the limiting factor for Apple's apps that you know that they do all sorts of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► and stuff that are probably not all pre render images the way the watch gets have to be like that you know they can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► stuff that that is clearly you know this is not running a forty six in there.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6415">TS</a>]
01:47:00 ◼ ► So you know that is being a mac person John I know I made a reference to an old C.P.U. Anyway I'm with you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6420">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► You know it was I was watching every movie under the sun to make other reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► and I will I will wager that I have written more I faced some of the balls and you can buy. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► Thousands and thousands of lines. Anyway so the point is like technology will get better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:26 ◼ ► Even if the watch hardware right now is too slow to do something that will change in a few years that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6446">TS</a>]
01:47:33 ◼ ► That's not going to a problem for a long. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6453">TS</a>]
01:47:35 ◼ ► My argument is that no matter how good the harbor gets the inherent limitations of like how how you interact with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6455">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► thing how. You know the. The interface being like the time. The time piece is the home screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► And the honeycomb of app icons of kind of like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:54 ◼ ► You kind of go there as a last resort to do something and many things are happening through the three glances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6474">TS</a>]
01:47:59 ◼ ► and watch complications instead of going out to the apps free and everything like this is and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6479">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► You know and it's still it's. It's a very small screen. That you can only access from one hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:08 ◼ ► That hand might be busy. There's always going to be limitations of this device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6488">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► So any way to go in but the reason I brought this up. Not every app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:16 ◼ ► Needs to be on the was not every app should be on the watch. And I would venture to say that overall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6496">TS</a>]
01:48:22 ◼ ► While the watch does add a lot of types of apps that are now compelling that weren't before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6502">TS</a>]
01:48:29 ◼ ► Like a lot of kinds of apps that I would love to have on the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6509">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► If they had an i Phone version I would have completely ignored them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► Before an alligator wouldn't like they wouldn't have been useful enough on an i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► or it wouldn't of been interesting on an i Phone It would have seemed too simple or whatever. On the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► I'm interested. Like the watch is definitely creating new opportunities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► But I would argue like there's like a continuum of computing devices that and like their use their uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► and on one hand you have like full blown. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6536">TS</a>]
01:48:59 ◼ ► Computer type devices where you can install applications you can run them you can do you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6539">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► It's like a general purpose it. It could be your main computer. For some people that is an i Phone or an i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:10 ◼ ► For most people it's going to be a P.C. or A mac actually probably not most anymore but the smartphone is winning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6550">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► But anyway. For a lot of gigs at least that's going to be a P.C. or Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► For a lot of people the world going to be as can be a smartphone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:23 ◼ ► And for some of the BE a tablet but I don't think the watchful ever get there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6563">TS</a>]
01:49:27 ◼ ► To me like the watch on this continuum you have like those kind of devices which can be general purpose computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6567">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► and then like on the other end you have like a Bluetooth headset. Which like. Is it has a computing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► Processor type thing. In it. But it's not an app platform. It doesn't. It will never be an app platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► It doesn't need to be an apple for. What about my Thunderball cables and run outs on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► I think you might be able to actually. But anyway so as panic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► So you have a discontinuing like on one and you have like full blown computers another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6595">TS</a>]
01:49:58 ◼ ► and you have like things that have computing harbor in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6598">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► but are really just like dedicated peripheral type things are dedicated. You know specialized things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:06 ◼ ► I would say the watch is. You know closer to the left in the right. I would say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6606">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► It's the watch is closer to a peripheral to an i Phone accessory. Than to its own independent. Standalone platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► Well that's going a little far it is running I us for cry a lot like on the technical side I think you're right on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:25 ◼ ► technical side. It has a C.P.U. It has a display you could has apps that you can access. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6625">TS</a>]
01:50:31 ◼ ► But I think the way you actually use a thing once everyone calms down once and I want is worn off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6631">TS</a>]
01:50:36 ◼ ► I think the way we're actually going to use this thing is. This is like every mote view on to the computing wife. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6636">TS</a>]
01:50:43 ◼ ► Of mine that lives on my i Phone. And that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6643">TS</a>]
01:50:49 ◼ ► Not every app is going to need to be on the watch a lot of uses we're now using the watch we're going to go back to the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6649">TS</a>]
01:50:56 ◼ ► phones A.O.L. Actually. It was easier to pull my phone out and do X. Y. or Z. Rather than doing those things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6656">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► You know clunky slow as in the watch and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► You know I think the watch is in general even though it does create new opportunities I think it's going to be a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:12 ◼ ► smaller at platform. In practice. Then what people might been hoping for before. Before we had them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6672">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► And that's not because Apple did a bad job with that. That's because of the realities of what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► Watches are and what they have to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► Well I hope that's just a temporary thing though because if I'm thinking of some specific applications that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► actually better suited to the watch than the phone.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► And we just can't do because the computing is not there and like you know. If you get a watch that has its own G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:43 ◼ ► That has a much faster C.P.U. and G.P.U. Any kind of like G.P.S. Based hiking are walking around the city type thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6703">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► It's the worst to try to walk around a city while holding up a phone in front of you to see where it is. If you had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:57 ◼ ► If you had to the base with you just unlimited computing about a city and onboard G.P.S. On your watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6717">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► You could navigate in a city with just a watch you know be an awesome experience better than fishing your phone out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:06 ◼ ► pocket every ten seconds to to find out what Rogers was a turn onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6726">TS</a>]
01:52:10 ◼ ► and so I think there is a potential for this computing platform to come into its own and be a full fledged computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6730">TS</a>]
01:52:17 ◼ ► but only for applications that are actually better on the watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6737">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► Not because not now all of a sudden everyone of your Iowa South computer watches that stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:25 ◼ ► but for things that are actually better are there on your watch that we just can't do now it is like well it's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6745">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► tell the phone if you tried to use that way. As a remote display for the Apple Maps application. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► Going to be slow and clunky and you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:36 ◼ ► Can you imagine like a watch that responded in basically real time to its orientation and direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6756">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► Like it had a map on it and as you raise your arm it would adjust in like three D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► To point the hour towards where you're supposed to go like them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:49 ◼ ► or how you wave your arm around the arrow constantly pointing to the left turn your supposed to make like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6769">TS</a>]
01:52:53 ◼ ► We're not even close to that kind of computing power and and battery to support that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6773">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► but it's conceivable in our lifetime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6776">TS</a>]
01:52:58 ◼ ► And that is a way cooler experience to just be able to glance down at your wrist put your arm and any position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6778">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► and have a big green arrow pointing exactly where you're supposed to go on the trail next or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► Or you know what blockers will turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► or little indicators to see you know how close the closest Starbucks is a runner Marconi's that up. Oh yeah. Every day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:17 ◼ ► You know like you know I'm I'm not willing to accept the the watch will be relegated to this forever because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6797">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► it's just we're just stuck with what we're stuck with now but if they just ramp up the technology. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► New classes of that was whatever install a new class that occasionally falls right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► Perhaps new classes are not possible like you said it's mostly just for a peripheral view of things that are going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► on your phone and you don't to tell time and tell your steps and do all that stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► But eventually several generations from now on an infinite time scale. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► Now this is a close timescale you know I mean like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:50 ◼ ► We'll get to this one right it doesn't take much more and obviously taking it out and then it takes you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6830">TS</a>]
01:53:55 ◼ ► Or piracy views involved blog a couple generations. New things will be possible in the watch and G.P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6835">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► Is just the one I thought thought that maybe that's not even true but like people will try everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:06 ◼ ► Like that's the good thing about it people will try. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6846">TS</a>]
01:54:08 ◼ ► Maybe we can have games on there and maybe that sucks maybe does like ever people try everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6848">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► and you know one of those things are going to have the same thing we did with the phone it's like no one knew it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:17 ◼ ► going to be great on the phone until we tried every possible thing quitting fart apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6857">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► and eventually it settles on of the things that it does well. It's just that you know right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:23 ◼ ► I mean it kind of happening right now everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6863">TS</a>]
01:54:25 ◼ ► But I'm going to make everything or watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6865">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► and you know as a lot of the viewers say there's like thousands of watch good apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:30 ◼ ► and most of them suck because people who are wrong about what would be good in a watch get up. But the watch good days. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6870">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► Hopefully will be gone in a few years and we'll move on to trying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:41 ◼ ► The equivalent of fart apps in the Washington someone had something good will day one of the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6881">TS</a>]
01:54:46 ◼ ► I don't John I don't remember the day one of the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6886">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► They were very similar to what people are saying now which is like yet the vast majority of these things are terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:54 ◼ ► A few are good. But the majority are terrible. What was the first app you download and the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6894">TS</a>]
01:55:01 ◼ ► I don't know I remember that first day I don't want a bunch of I downloaded Monkey Ball [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6901">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► and couple of other think Monkey Ball is probably my top three I think I had lights out. Member that one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► Yeah that was that was their only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► but I remember what I'm getting as the experience I remember like Oh so this is the app store where can we download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► and like Monkey Ball was like nine bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:19 ◼ ► or something wasn't it was the I think you know it's the old Dave that stores kids let me tell you Monkey Ball ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6919">TS</a>]
01:55:25 ◼ ► Yet the controls came with her well you know I Love Monkey Ball on the games you have awesome game. On the i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6925">TS</a>]
01:55:29 ◼ ► Terrible anyway. I downloaded tons of stuff like went for you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6929">TS</a>]
01:55:33 ◼ ► Big names things made by people an album and you write use all of them you're like. I guess try again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6933">TS</a>]
01:55:39 ◼ ► Roy you saw everybody with their like beer after beer pouring things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6939">TS</a>]
01:55:42 ◼ ► and like the lights out was the best game practically because that would have been developed for the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6942">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► and it was a good and. It was a game they knew would work on the phone because all you do is poke the screen which. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:50 ◼ ► You know that is actually something that the phone is good at a big. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6950">TS</a>]
01:55:53 ◼ ► You know sort of board game grid thing where you poke your screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6953">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► Good use of the phone that was like the best app that I remember on day one. Our thanks what the response of this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:03 ◼ ► Glide hover and fracture and we'll see you next week. Now the show is over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6963">TS</a>]
01:56:12 ◼ ► They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. It was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6972">TS</a>]
01:56:20 ◼ ► John didn't tell anyone the mom going to be seen with him. Because it was then going to dance to it was accidental. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6980">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► And you show that they be done and it's trending. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:42 ◼ ► He was no says that ski lifts and the team article are limited to free. Let's take the risk you know. I'm looking at. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7002">TS</a>]
01:57:11 ◼ ► You know I went into my i Phone to the app store to purchase a scroll to the bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7031">TS</a>]
01:57:16 ◼ ► You actually got to be on that list. Well. The very first one and all instant messenger. Noted that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7036">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► I know it's probably used for five minutes for side on your i didn't even room. Remember that I had it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► Next one lab or inthe light EDITION. I had that to you know. Next one Tap Tap Revenge classic paid version.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7050">TS</a>]
01:57:38 ◼ ► I had that one. And then couple of games. Restaurant nutrition. Air sharing. Couple of V.N. C.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7058">TS</a>]
01:57:47 ◼ ► Apple Remote in flight control which is what I was really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7067">TS</a>]
01:57:51 ◼ ► I thought flight control is the first one I downloaded because when I got my phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7071">TS</a>]
01:57:55 ◼ ► That was to my memory around the time the flight controls brand new and to my memory that was one of the first games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7075">TS</a>]
01:58:03 ◼ ► I took up revenge actually was kind of like this too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7083">TS</a>]
01:58:05 ◼ ► But one of the first games that just everyone had to have AND ALL MY GOD I LOVE fly control I play the thing for hours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7085">TS</a>]
01:58:12 ◼ ► New York Times. Apple Remote App Net News Wire chopper was like topless bar which I loved to prevent scribble light. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7092">TS</a>]
01:58:20 ◼ ► More cowbell. Yes I don't litter the cowbell app. Nice banner free black and white looks looks like a fellow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7100">TS</a>]
01:58:29 ◼ ► I wondered why add the banner app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7109">TS</a>]
01:58:30 ◼ ► and I guess it's because it was like one of those only optimistic hard day one that you have the same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7110">TS</a>]
01:58:35 ◼ ► And I'm I'm guessing it probably was originally just called banner. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7115">TS</a>]
01:58:38 ◼ ► And then they later added a paid version just got his vapor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7118">TS</a>]
01:58:41 ◼ ► Shouldn't I shouldn't those devices cool with on the like less of the scroll the message across your screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7121">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► I think that was actually a good idea for a day when up. Yeah. I Pads actually kind of useful as a big cube runner A.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:52 ◼ ► World nine pair me subway shuffle labyrinth white as we al the labyrinth games on day one peg jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7132">TS</a>]
01:58:57 ◼ ► and gal con is my first like. No reckon a known responsible game. Yes Oh yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7137">TS</a>]
01:59:02 ◼ ► Holy shit garbage basically did some good stuff. Did you have the physical version of labyrinth light. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7142">TS</a>]
01:59:07 ◼ ► You know the show on the icon for labyrinth. The marble labyrinth is made of wood. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7147">TS</a>]
01:59:11 ◼ ► Yeah I had if I had a few of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7151">TS</a>]
01:59:13 ◼ ► Yeah I love those things we have one through the physical one is much more satisfying than the. Yeah I was game. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7153">TS</a>]
01:59:19 ◼ ► Yeah. Of all these of all these things the thing I spent the most time playing was black and white the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7159">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► The Othello clone. Now until calc on camera. Definitely fly control for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► I probably haven't lived there and day one though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:30 ◼ ► No no no but it was my day one if you will because it was by the time I got an i Phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7170">TS</a>]
01:59:35 ◼ ► and i think i played flight control more than any other game. On my phone. Any of my phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7175">TS</a>]
01:59:40 ◼ ► After I love flight control although I did play a lot of RAM champ. That was much later. Yeah was it was launched. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7180">TS</a>]
01:59:47 ◼ ► When are you going to get my phone to do my apps are mine I'm curious you know if I can you can find items. Can you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7187">TS</a>]
01:59:54 ◼ ► Yeah go to the after page go to purchases. Area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7194">TS</a>]
01:59:57 ◼ ► So if you scroll all if you sort by most recent for all that the bottom of that giant page it's there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7197">TS</a>]
02:00:02 ◼ ► Newswire chopper tap tap scribble I penned or radio. Facebook I tell her Facebook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7202">TS</a>]
02:00:09 ◼ ► Super Monkey Ball is a New York Times. News Wire Apple Remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7209">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► Google am I should make fun of the name thing I've got to ANY the bap and then to I thought clones tapped Africa. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:23 ◼ ► Trizone banner free voice yeah. We hold out hope the same damn apps and they want labyrinth light. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7223">TS</a>]
02:00:28 ◼ ► My twelfth EPS was flight controllers previously discussed. Fifteenth that tumbler. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7228">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► Another classic from the old days space that be still out there very cool game I'm surprised. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:41 ◼ ► I mean maybe it's not a good not good fit for the phone but I really love the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7241">TS</a>]
02:00:45 ◼ ► And I wish there were more games like that if not for the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7245">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► and for the pie for the two biggest pieces of install just for me Flight Control icon. And the tweety icon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:55 ◼ ► I Miss Tweedie. But i Tunes even though I have my things that always show scroll bar i Tunes as I'm ignoring that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRoQUbE/7255">TS</a>]