00:00:00 ◼ ► how's that low-level see audio codec how does your working on I'm making progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► do you have any hair left to pull out of your head Marco know this is why I cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/5">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► it short to make to make that possible I knew I was gonna be working on car audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/11">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► this week so I got a fresh haircut number two on the razor nice and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/16">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► that means it's too short to realistically grab hold of my god I'm so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/20">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► that a handful maybe he might have been a little fingers extensors any free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/24">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► follow-up stuff we need to worry about there is no pre follow-up only post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/32">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► followup and follow-up and more follow follow up maybe the show is pre follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/36">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► at this point she just called this the axonal follow-up podcast will this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► follow-up and then the main topics are really just pre follow up for next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/46">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► its so true so let's do our follow up so we can get to the pre follow-up now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/50">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► talking about our discussion about how to attract or encourage women and girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/58">TS</a>]
00:01:05 ◼ ► to listen to the show and unsurprisingly we got a lot of feedback about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/65">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► I i appreciate and I know we appreciate all the feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/71">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► a lot of it was really good pretty much all of it was really interesting in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/74">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► it certainly opened my eyes a bit on with regard to how men reacted to it how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/81">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► women react to it and and so just a few things I think we should talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/87">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► upfront I think first and foremost we i I would say we caught a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/92">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► flak about spending so much time talking about advertisers and Harry's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/99">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► specifically and I think that's reasonable I think the the problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/103">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► the way the last episode when is that because we spent so much time talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/108">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► about talking about the advertisers it appeared as though that was the thing we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/112">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► thought was the biggest priority just by virtue of the fact we spent so much time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/119">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► in reality that's not at all what any of us think is the biggest priority the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► first thing to change its just as per usual we got wrapped around the axle on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/128">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► that topic in I don't know if any of you ever heard the show but we sometimes get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/134">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► off in the weeds and that's exactly what happened and in I think while the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/138">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► discussion I think was good I don't mean for it and I am pretty sure you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/144">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► don't mean for it to be representative of what we think is the right approach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/148">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► to fix this problem it just so happens we got off in the weeds I think actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/152">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► here's how I maybe you all have different opinions of this feedback but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/158">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► here's how I would characterize the first person I want to say that I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/162">TS</a>]
00:02:45 ◼ ► feel like I'm I'm still processing that feedback I agree I'd like an ottoman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/165">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► partly because it still coming in and probably become as I think it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/169">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► the most upsetting to me feedback that we've ever gotten the show and there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/173">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► a wide wide range of responses feedback was all over the map but the title of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/179">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► the top of that map was probably like you guys are dummies I got people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/184">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► this was skewed way negative like consensus is we are dummies and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/188">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► to say that it's not useful but like sometimes we get feedback that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/194">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► just providing information or supportive or whatever but pretty much all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/198">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► feedback was telling us things that we missed our area I mean some of it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/202">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► guess feedback from solicited feedback but it was fairly negative I do not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/207">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► surprised me I think I was kind of dreading discussing this topic because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/213">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► kind of figured this would be the the feedback we would get but the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/217">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► I'm still processing it makes me feel like I don't I don't quite know what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/222">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► think I'm and you i think what you highlighted is probably the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► dominant theme that I saw in it because I guess even though it was mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► negative to a wide-ranging people have very different ideas about what we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/235">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► wrong right so I was a wide range on the negative round but the one thing a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/239">TS</a>]
00:04:03 ◼ ► of people seem to agree on your head is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/243">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► regardless of how they felt about the ads the dad was not the core issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/246">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► people who said you absolutely have to get rid of the ads also tends not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► core issue people said you absolutely have to keep the ads also the added that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► the core issue right so that I feel like it's the only consensus that I could dry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/258">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► out of this so far two things one that we didn't do a very good job and to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/261">TS</a>]
00:04:28 ◼ ► the ad is a distraction regardless of how people feel about it what did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/268">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► think of the name and I am I being too negative on the negativity Marco where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► did you get that impression as well now that was that was pretty much it i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► this was I mean I'm also still processing a lot of this I I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/279">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► just anecdotally added you guys feel the same way I would say anecdotally this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/285">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► probably the most words we've gotten feedback on any topic it just it it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/289">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► taken me a long time to even just reread the feedback email has been so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/295">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► it and and most of it has been had been very informative I mean overall you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/299">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► there was definitely a prominent pattern to a lot of it that began with I'm a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/304">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► but Anna giant ball of the text that showed really a pretty poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/312">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► understanding of gender issues and technology or ever in life and that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/318">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► a little saddened by that you feel like though that was like the easiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/325">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► feedback and all yeah I ignored most of the amine it's it's depressing that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/328">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► know we're going to get that type of thing but it's a type of bacteria and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/334">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► you like alright well so I know these people are out there I know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/338">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► listening they have different opinions and ideas than we do but it's easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/342">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► I don't know it's like it's easier to process because they in many respects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/347">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► they are who they are who we are most capable of reaching right like if we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/353">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► reach those people that will affect change right if we can we can turn those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/362">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► people around or just even more than more towards what we think you know our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/367">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► value system that will be a success and they were sort of showing us here we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/371">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► over here if you feel like moving us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/376">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► towards your way of thinking this is where we are so now you know what you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/379">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► yeah it was surprising to me I think most of the email while negative was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/385">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► informative there were certainly a lot of Hayama dude and blah blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/391">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► blah ok so you should really improve it but the thing that struck me was as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/397">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► immediate Twitter replies to the ATP account were disappointing and I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/402">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► I was certainly and remain taken aback by it because I was very surprised about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/411">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► how many replies we saw which basically made me think that we were all members [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/420">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► of the he-man woman haters club which I don't remember signing up for and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/426">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► don't remember that being a thing and that was that was a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/431">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► disappointing not all of them of course but a lot of them well I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/434">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► that that is the most much more interesting feedback to me also more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/437">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► upsetting but much more interesting and because it's it's it's giving us new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/441">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► information as opposed to just saying hey there are people out there with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/446">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► regressive ideas about women in technology like eddie knew that but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/449">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► other side of the coin is more enlightening and I i would say for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/454">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► feedback and trying to characterize it we get more feedback from women than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/457">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► usual which is expected and this type of topic and the reason I was emphasizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/461">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► the wider range is as I tried to emphasize on a show like women are not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/466">TS</a>]
00:07:53 ◼ ► monolith no individual woman who treats it as it writes devices is purporting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/473">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► speak for all women they're just individuals right and that's why getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/477">TS</a>]
00:08:01 ◼ ► a lot of feedback is good because otherwise if you had to get feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/481">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► from three people and they all three different things you have no idea dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/486">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► could be a feedback from 300 people then maybe you can start sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/489">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► slicing and dicing in trying to figure things out and you know soliciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/493">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► feedback is one thing and the second thing which you know many ppl emphasize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/498">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► like you so was it the feedback and then you have to actually read it and listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/502">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► to it right the difficulty in doing that correctly as I love my son talk about 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/505">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► try not to be defensive trying to be like you have to answer everything try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/512">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► to be like every piece of advice is an accusation so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/515">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► you know trying not to suffer from a Lancer syndrome all these all these bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/519">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► instincts that are in me definitely and maybe you too as well you have to fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/523">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► those but the second thing is with this huge range even talk about something so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/528">TS</a>]
00:08:53 ◼ ► is the average of room or less agreed was not the core issue here just looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/533">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► at the women who get feedback and the add you know you can't possibly do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/538">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► quote unquote everyone wants because they want contradictory things some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/543">TS</a>]
00:09:08 ◼ ► women said you absolutely have to keep the ad removing it would be insulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/548">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► some women said you actually have to remove the ad its presence is insulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/551">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► so you get their feedback and we listened to it at some point we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/554">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► do something and there is no course of action seems to me that a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► people writing in all caps no matter what their opinion believe the day they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/565">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► didn't seem to leave a lot of room for other possibilities of many people wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/570">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► in to say this is the situation you guys at dummies are not seeing it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/574">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► answer is obvious just do what I say but it's like but you know it's just that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/579">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► one me emails fine but like you read one email after the next after the next at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/585">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► an accident like if I do what you want then these ten people are gonna be upset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/589">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► by do what they want them is fifty people are going to you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/592">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► that's that's our job our job is to solicit feedback accepted read it listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/595">TS</a>]
00:10:00 ◼ ► to a try to understand it and then decide what the right thing to do for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/600">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► is right and that's why I feel like I'm still processing because it's difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/606">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► to sort of being the people pleaser mobile you're like we're trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/610">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► the right thing you're right we're trying to solicit feedback if only there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/614">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► was a quote unquote answer but there is not there is lots of people's opinions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/617">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► and lots of people's answers and we have to figure out how how do we make forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/621">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► on you know on our goals based on this feedback and it's just it's kinda makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/628">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► my head spin at this point I think one one thing I think that we can all agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/633">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► on besides cheese thing is that we got a lot of feedback because we asked for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/638">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► and and that's exactly what we wanted we were asking the question to our audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/645">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► especially to the women in our audience what can we do to help address this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/650">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► massive gender imbalance that our audience and you know it in tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► podcasting Anandtech as a whole this is a big problem and I i you know i i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/659">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► pretend to be an expert on this I'm far from it I do however want to improve it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/667">TS</a>]
00:11:11 ◼ ► and as as a guy who is a smart ass and has always been a smartass I've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/671">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► had the problem of I rush right to thinking I have an answer to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/680">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► and as we saw in the email and as many women see every single day that's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/684">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► common thing in this business and it's a very common thing among men in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/691">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► the you know the the attitude that we could have an immediate answer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/694">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► everything and we know everything about everything and we can quickly explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► away ever anything any problem and one of the things that I think everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/702">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► would agree on which there isn't much in in this argument that everyone will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/709">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► agree on it but I think everyone was on the right side of this can probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/713">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► agree that especially we men need to be listening more to be asking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/716">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► listening more we just need to be listening to what women are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/723">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► telling us and it was very valuable to see even though a lot of it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/726">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► contradictory from women about what we should or shouldn't do the fact is we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/732">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► asked we are listening and we're going to continue to ask him listen and to all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/736">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► the men out there who responded in that matter of fact way this is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/741">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► hard for you to change in your in your life it's certainly hard for us but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/747">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► have to be open to the idea that the first step when this question is asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/751">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► is to listen to what women are telling you listen to what they have to say to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/756">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► listening to care not just to jump to thinking you know the answer because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/761">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► really is that is such a big problem for so many people and it is really this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/766">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► this is really primarily a problem with men that do this like the fact is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/774">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► world is not a perfectly balanced a place for everything is equal it's far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/781">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► from it and that's the whole problem we're trying to address it is ok to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/784">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► recognize that even even if you think you're being good and even if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/788">TS</a>]
00:13:15 ◼ ► that you are helping there are gonna be things in johnnie time there's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/795">TS</a>]
00:13:20 ◼ ► things that you subconsciously do or that you just do because you've always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/800">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► done them and that's just the way you think that you think are normal in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/805">TS</a>]
00:13:27 ◼ ► neutral but they're not and so it's really is of utmost importance that men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/807">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► in particular don't just jump to think you know the answers here that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/812">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► really sit back and listen there's a lot that that we need to hear that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/817">TS</a>]
00:13:42 ◼ ► talked about on the game gate episode one of the suggestions I made to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/822">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► audience of people who may have been sort of sympathizing with a gamer gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/825">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► and I'm just trying to look for something that I could suggest that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/828">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► would be like actionable and that I felt like would make real change based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/832">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► what has worked for me and I was suggesting like Twitter account size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/839">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► it's suggested that a bunch of people Twitter accounts like the everyday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/844">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► sexism Twitter accounts a problem sure I suggested briana was the Twitter account [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/847">TS</a>]
00:14:10 ◼ ► like just follow these to put our council was my suggestion but then don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/850">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► ever reply to them just like the tweets are going to make you angry sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/854">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► you're gonna disagree with a lot of fun the whole idea is like a one-year plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/862">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► of like subscribe and read the tweets economic don't get crazy but I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► haven't in the mix it and I'm doing this in terms of what we could do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/871">TS</a>]
00:14:36 ◼ ► his facebook post you read what sites are either whatever just read them even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/876">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► if the entire year you absolutely hundred percent disagree with every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/881">TS</a>]
00:14:44 ◼ ► single thing that you read because I feel like most of that like sort of just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/884">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► being in contact with those ideas will slowly affect your worldview because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/889">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► it's essentially force listen I cannot realistically maybe reading them like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/894">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► hey treating them like a look at these dummies I disagree with everything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► so dumb that I know anything about anything right if you just keep reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► them like an everyday sexism on it is a great example it's like you just read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/902">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► day after day after day of like minor things that happen to people situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/907">TS</a>]
00:15:11 ◼ ► they ran I feel like it will eventually get through to you like this is not made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/911">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► up stuff and I like it because I think the volume is important right and so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/915">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► are subjecting ourselves to this essentially voluntarily to try it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/920">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► know you know bring us bring out the feedback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/923">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► tell us what you think give us your ideas and we just kind of have to soak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/926">TS</a>]
00:15:32 ◼ ► in it like you know it's like buying you know we're soaking it in some degree but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/932">TS</a>]
00:15:37 ◼ ► like actually inviting it'd be kind of getting a big dose of it dumped on her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/937">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► head and that's part of the process of course this is a podcast and follow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/940">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► and of course we do have responses to things so kind of violating our rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/947">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► here but that the reason I suggest that all that stuff like that I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/951">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► got into like just gamer game was a big part but even before that reading like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/956">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► every single post about these things reading people following new people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/961">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► looking at their tumblers following them on Twitter just just reading everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/966">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► mostly not responding to a mostly not engaging with people on Twitter mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/970">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► but just like reading it and gave a gate was like the peak was just like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/973">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► day like seventeen new things to read write and then following the links on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/976">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► the threads following the different people to you know where they come from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/980">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► where what's their background what have they written before what have they done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/984">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► you know like that kind of sort of it's not so they can be in research or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/987">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► whatever on the topic is I thought that in most influential in my life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/993">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► on these topics and feedback is is part of that and now that I've said all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/999">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► things to try to be differentially everything I have to go and ruin it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► responding to what I think was the the harshest criticism we got because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► think the one thing he doesn't like this was the most common but I look back over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:56 ◼ ► to the most negative event of the spectrum above the feedback we got its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1016">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► not believe it or not from the people who have progressive ideas about women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► in tech their feedback but tended not to be harsh tended to be condescending and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► patronizing but like that's the most harsh ones in the one that felt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► worst feedback from women who did the gist of this feedback was on the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► of changing the host lineup and changing the format of the show saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:26 ◼ ► essentially if you don't do one of those two things then it shows you don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1046">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► about women at all and this is all BS front and that's the harshest version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► that just like you know saying these two things are are the test you if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► if you refuse to do things as we SAT and talked about last night we didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► to change the hostname the show with internal injuries show we basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► ruled those out and I feel like people hearing that people hearing I say we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► read through this big list of suggestions that people suggested to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► and then we ruled out those two right off the bat and it just feels like every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► other encounter women have had in technology where it's like the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► hear their concerns and immediately dismiss that sounds like slamming the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:11 ◼ ► door in their face and I understand why people are angry about that understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1091">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► why why we got that the people are feeling the way they did why they felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► compelled to go to the feedback form and and write those things in but I you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► the I responded to some of these people and what I said all the responses of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► similar as I said on the show that would that would absolutely make the show more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► you know given granted like this is feedback we received I agree with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► I'm where I disagree is by us not doing those two specific things and only those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► two specific things change the host lineup during the show changes show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► format to be an interview show that somehow there's nothing else we can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► to make this show more appealing to women to get more women listless I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► totally disagree with that i think there are a ton of things we could do to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► more you know to make the show more inclusive to find attract more women to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► the show is just a tremendous amount we read a whole bunch of tons of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► send us feedback with the with ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► only two things we ruled out for changing the host lineup and changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► the formula Jeremy individual everything else including the harry said I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► point out on the table right and so that feedback like like it because it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► that those people but they came away with was that we were that we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► dismissing them that we were just doing exactly what has been done to them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► the entire technology industry for their entire life which is just like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► population they listen to is going to address my concerns from home and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► slanted face right that we experience they got out of the show which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► terrible and not our intention obviously we did a bad job but I still have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► that like I feel like our show can exist in its current form and be better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► it is that we can then we can make positive progress towards our goal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► inclusiveness and maybe that's not enough progress maybe we can make more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► progress by changing the show on those ways but I feel like it's like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► show has value and can be better in its current form I don't that like it a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► of the worst again made it sound as if you like maybe feel like that our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► just should not exist like that it is an affront to the cause and that the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► does not need another three dudes tech podcast and the best thing we could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► is just change it in a fundamental way so it's a different show and if we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► do that it shows you really don't care and you were just we don't do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► they will they will return by happy little home in any way and I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► that is a mischaracterization and we were totally willing to do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► within the bounds of the current show again provided you know granting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► entirely that it would be make the show more attractive to women if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► those things but we want to have our show that the three of us this is our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► show I feel like I you know it's a valid thing to do to have the show the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► of us I don't know I don't know how else do you characterize that without without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► just sort of reinforcing everything I think it's basically like oh you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► want to have your show and that's that I do have the show with the three of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:20 ◼ ► and I do I feel like that show can be better and I feel like some positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1280">TS</a>]
00:21:24 ◼ ► progress and make me feel better is if it's positive right is it as positive as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1284">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► it could be if we you know and i dont wanna go into these damn that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► should I still getting more defensive by the moment but if you go into the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► know I stopped myself here but what do you guys have to think about this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► yeah i of all the feedback we got a lot of it hurt in the sense that it made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► very angry because I was disappointed in in the very chauvinistic things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► saw but the stuff that actually hurt to end cut the deepest was when a woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:06 ◼ ► would write in and say like you said John basically if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1326">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► fundamentally change the show is then you're just a bunch of liars and well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► just like you said John that absolutely would be the number one best way to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► our money where our mouth is that is I don't think it's unreasonable for us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► take that off the table and I even though the show isn't so many ways about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► binary the show itself is not binary and there is a lot of in the middle that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:35 ◼ ► can do to improve ourselves and to improve the way we handle the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1355">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► just generally make things more inclusive without changing the three of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► us in and I should point out that we got a fair bit of women that road in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► said I understand why someone would ask you to change the lineup but don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► that because the reason I listen says several women that road in the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► listen is because of the three of you and because of the chemistry you happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► because of the way you beat each other up over white cars and fish and so on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► and if you change that lineup it could ruin everything in so if this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► most hurt I've gotten I'm still coming from a place of indescribable privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► and I recognize that but it was it was really really bummed me out because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► feel like I wanna work together the three of us and the three of us in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► the women that listen and then the men that was then and i just want to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► together to make this a more inclusive happy place and it I feel like just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► you said John there is somewhere in the middle between doing nothing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► completely eviscerating lineup as it is as an existing go even farther because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► from my perspective like as I said do you know that women are underrepresented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► in tech podcasts and the like we should be linked to rock out last week we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► should have more Lincoln the shouts of other podcast tech podcast that are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► similar DDP but have women on the list but the vector podcast Georgia now I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► or the time our podcast with a friend and ally and then rocketed like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► that I can't name more than a handful these on top ad shows you there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► lot of them but they are out there and so women looking to hear their women's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► voices on the topic of TAC you know there are options and I think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► should be more of them you know should our show be one of them like our show is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► our show is that the three of us right but from my perspective i think is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► possible that we can do maybe not more good but a tremendous amount of good by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► talking to are you know making a show more inclusive so it doesn't feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► that if your woman listening to you somehow shouldn't be this is the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:52 ◼ ► for you right so that a lot of things like what can we do to change tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1492">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► things like what can we stop doing that is bad what can we do that is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► propelling women right can we talk about a certain number of things he tweaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► out of the huge range of things we could talk about by picking different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► and talk about you can we change the show and most importantly I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► even if we are completely unsuccessful in her to get more women and girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► listen to the show by talking to the men who listen to the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► that is probably realistically speaking our best avenue for positive change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► because if we could snap my fingers and convince all the men on the show to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► know get on board with our way of thinking about this as ours even maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► but just like to move them along the continuum that would be a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► benefit and that's one of the pieces feedback i've heard from a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► especially people deeply entrenched in this issue is that if you can check it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:47 ◼ ► the men's behavior that needs to change right so you we're all about like it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1547">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► make the show more inclusive can make sure we're not doing anything to repel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► women we had to get through to the men to say to you in a nice way we can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► I go you guys are all bad people you shouldn't listen like that is not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► that is not did all we want to be able to like bring bring people along with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► the ideas that we have and even if we're only just talking to men that that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► huge way that we can we can make a positive change in this area you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► I just I feel like the three of us if if we change the show while keeping the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► format and while keeping the three of us there I still feel like we can do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► massive massive gonna be just figure out how to do a better idea that we also got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► a lot of feedback that that was suggesting what would make the show more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► appealing to women but like but yeah that's how to people presented it but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► reality it's not about like it would make the show it more attractive to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► anybody of any gender it had nothing to do with women so you know things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► just making it easier for new listeners to go into the show so you know not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► spending the entire show on follow-up not being too much inside jokes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► stuff like that nobody said don't text into the other topic nice job you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► you think that's a great idea I don't know you know there are things about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► show format and that we can definitely improve on things that will make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► easier for any new listeners to come in and to end to stick with us and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► like a lot of people from those things as here's why women don't like your show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► which is complete BS over its at least not the whole story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► it's like here's why a new listener might not stick around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► that's the real story and so there are things there that we need to end should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► improve to get more women listening mostly because that's how we get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► people this is like it has nothing to do with women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► well I mean like like like I said in the past show you can like some of them were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► you know like they said this but as I said last time we talked about politics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► who have much broader broader appeal than ever talk about program and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:00 ◼ ► of people we've always got complaints we going to the Super programming stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1680">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► bottom line is that's one of the things that we want to talk about 35 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► programmers on a podcast we're going to talk about programming some people love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► the programming some people hate it that's not that's more of just a narrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► vs broad issue does not specifically gender issue but but a lot of you a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► of people say like I'm not super into programming so whenever you talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► programming I tuned out and we didn't get much feedback the life of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► program like there is a ceiling on on our appeal we you know if we did a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► about politics it would have way broader appeal and like but that's not the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► we're doing so in in in many ways like it's the same type of thing I also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► want you want to broaden your gonna get more women to listen will change what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:46 ◼ ► you talked about like yes ok change we talked about in what way well I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1726">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► love it if you didn't talk about programming anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► well you know there are lots of women remember to listen to like we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► about programs like we're doing a program like I would love to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► Apple may be more people would listen if we didn't talk about what we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► about something with you know with much broader appeal that's that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► we have to deal with like we're always going to say well you know within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► confines of all you want to broaden his appeal show but you don't want to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► your show we do want to change it within the confines of the topic area right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► the three of us and everything and that's like so many people that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► basically sort of like you don't really want to change you say you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► change you say you wanted to make the show more includes you say you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► make it more appealing but you don't want to actually change anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► the show and I and I reiterate again I think there are just so many things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► could change within this format to do better just a tremendous amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► things we can change that we will hopefully be working on moving forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► that can make this show more inclusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► and and you know and and change people's hearts and minds who do listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► show men or women undermine whatever you know and i know i just i just feel I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► feel somewhat defeated by this entire topic and I think we should probably put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1794">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► a fork in it for today in a couple of quick thoughts first of all if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► listening to this and don't care for it I'm sorry to hear that please do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► bother writing in to tell us that you don't care for it because this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► to continue to happen and you can either carry on with the show or not but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► is something that's very important to the three of us and it's we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► keep talking about it and that's just the way it is and it's absolutely on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► topic this is major is a major problem in the tech industry it is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:32 ◼ ► relevant for tech podcast to talk about this issue and the other thing I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1832">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► seeing a lot of angst in the chat room right now that we're doing a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► navel-gazing and talking about the show and talking about oh what could we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► what could we do but not doing anything too quick thoughts on that first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► i think is talking about this is doing something I mean would you rather us not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► to talk about this I don't think that's really a solution and secondly outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► of the show in private conversations between the three of us we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► absolutely disgusting pretty much anything that we've gotten in email we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► are discussing and considering pretty much everything even things we probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► don't want to do or may not do are on the table in private conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► between the three of us I ask only that you bear with us and give us a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► get our heads around everything give us a chance to put things together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► watch the space I know it's probably not happening as quick as it should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► it's probably not happening as quick as it could but we are working on it and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► we are trying as hard as we can and and and expect us to screw up like a expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► us to do badly again you know I mean like it's not don't don't expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► miracles right and we will never go as far as some people want to go people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► like people will be disappointed that the show exists at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► clear from the feedback sometimes right but you know some people like it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1915">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► like I just feel like you know the one of the trap that mental and when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► get into this topic is like I'm gonna I'm gonna do good here I am going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► champion the rights of whatever you know oppressed people that I am getting down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► this caused by the block and then they get told that what they're doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► wrong and they're like but but I was trying to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► well forget you guys now I'm not even gonna help anymore and it's like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► exactly you just have to think we're trying mightily to avoid that like its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► you have to understand that everyone is not going to agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► everyone is not going to like you and the closer you get to trying to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► some kind of progress the more anger people bTW you didn't go far enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► that is that is a positive force I feel like pushing us in the right direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► that the wrong direction trying to get that as as a wind behind this as ever as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► we become ever more disappointing to the people who are really invested in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1974">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► cause I'm hoping you were actually moving more towards like we're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► positive progress in that direction right now we're not going down that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► that we don't get repelled by that to be down there we don't start to resent the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► idea that boo people said mean things to us who are quote unquote on our side I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► wanted to be a wind at our back rather than something to tearing us from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:17 ◼ ► pursuing us so Plex yeah I'd spoke last week about how the Synology Synology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/1997">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► specifically I think I cited the ds2 14 play as having the proper hardware to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► video and do so quickly which makes it really great fourplex a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► people very gently pointed out to me that I am full of crap and that he 214 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► does indeed have the right hardware however Plex does not have access to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► because of whatever is going on within the Synology I don't know the technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► details but suffice to say I'm full of crap so what I have found her I think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► listener listener to actually pointed out to me is a list of all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► network attached storage devices that blacks will run on and it will end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► shows exactly what these devices can and cannot transcode in a reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► performance way so we will put that in the show notes I apologize if you took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► any action on my BS recommendation I did not realize that I was dead wrong but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► hopefully have caught you before you spend any money I do love my psychology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► I do not have a 214 anymore I have one that is not at all well suited for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► transcoding in so I do recommends analogies in general but I cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► recommend the 214 that I previously recommended because as it turns out they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► are a terrible idea for blacks so check out that list and and buy one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► actually works to do the things I thought the 214 would have high hopes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► that hardware transcoding but but I don't use Plaxo what I found was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► when the hardware transcoding with useful it was good but if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► downloading more exotic weird formats are you have no idea what the hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► formats you are downloading legally of course very often the hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:10 ◼ ► transcoding can't handle it and there's one thing but software Transcona may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2110">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► slower but it is it can do a much broader range of things so I find myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► wishing that rather than hardware decoding I really had faster faster CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► to do software decoding software transcoding alright what is going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► with iPhoto and Time Machine I think this is right after last week's show we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► got this feedback and direct link to an Apple support article saying whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► happened to the thing that I imagine that time machine integration apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► I did not imagine and although this thing doesn't have screenshots as of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► iPhoto 11 which was version 9.2 obviously and I was 10 lion 10720 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► that's when I thought I lost the ability to browse backups as they caught a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► political this means that instead of restoring specific photos within your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► iPhoto library you must restore your entire iPhoto library so I forget when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► iPhoto 11 was I'm assuming 2011 but that's when this feature run away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► there is no more integration and I assume this is a feature that was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► public for like their party out there was something only I photo could do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► was written by Apple and it has fallen by the wayside said or maybe it's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► thing on our first bunch of this week is cards against humanity and as usual they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► have sent John a toaster to review in lieu of a sponsor read here so John what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► is the toaster the crowd against humanity sent you to review this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:35 ◼ ► this week we've got the Cuisinart Custom Classic toaster oven broiler which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2195">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► guess is a sensible name in his model number key capitulo capital be hyphen 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► another model number with both in 20 in it boggles my mind and how they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► anything straight this is about the same size as my level 60 lol whatever model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► numbers that I was forget it is a legit 4 slice toaster oven it's got four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2218">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► unshielded resistive heating elements inside it has a very straightforward you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► I this is the first poster that I did not ever need to look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► instructions for which is saying something shouldn't be but it is that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:17 ◼ ► really sick three knobs on the day you look at the instructions like figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2237">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► this new on some missing operate the any toaster but unlike ok but then what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► about you know there's some new ones here that I'm probably missing any to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► look at the menu this one is just had three knobs 14 function like toast broil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► bake in preheated whatever 14 temperature that goes from you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► normal range of toaster oven temperatures in degrees Fahrenheit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► 14 toast shade and associated one you said to like a big range you said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► what you want and then there is a start-stop button so if you find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► correct setting for your toast every morning you don't have to adjust that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► you just press the button it does it repeals that's all there is no time at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► all which I didn't notice until a little later like you know what there's no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► for me to set this thing for a 10-15 with no time at all which is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► interesting simplification almost a polite moved like it's very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:09 ◼ ► incorporate all those things together and have all the desirable features of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2289">TS</a>]
00:38:12 ◼ ► not having to figure out what's the setting is the diet going to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2292">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► did you like the Breville you have you know here display LCD display or making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► things complicated there's just no time at all this or if there is I didn't find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:25 ◼ ► much because there was read the manual but I'm pretty sure that no timer just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2305">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► start stop on how does that make it harder to use the other new features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► obviously with the toaster you don't really need a timer you start the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► darkness not but it does have but does the lack of a timer make the other in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:39 ◼ ► future less useful to you it depends like you should know that it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2319">TS</a>]
00:38:43 ◼ ► have a timeline that something you rely on I find that with with any future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2323">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► except for toasting existing toaster oven I don't tend to use the time I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► kinda like put it in if anything it kind of annoys me at the time was to locate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► reading something and then the time was like six minutes and I'll actually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► want to just I just turn the nominees to just 30 60 minutes I'm never gonna take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2336">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► it out when I feel like it's done I'm not gonna forget about it right but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► you wanna time rather than up to interview the knob themselves really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► good at Nob Hill actually it's fairly average not feel compared to the knob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► feel on these other posters it is phenomenal right and about if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► know what the Nob Hill YouTube channel conditions should check it out it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► that's the thing that really you never heard of the novel YouTube account are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► you honestly surprised that we have never heard of that yes because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:27 ◼ ► like a meanness I it's not like an obscure you know it's supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2367">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► funny like the guy who just filmed himself killing with knobs and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► he made it terrible mistake at the beginning like the format is he found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► his hand filling with knobs and then he doesn't see any word he makes noises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► like that's that's it and he has been really confined himself by not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► tons of these videos only incorporated words it would be a much richer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► mood and I feel expensive and like the best comparison is my Breville toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:04 ◼ ► like the worst feeling I've ever felt on a plant in my life I understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► that's all I do because they're made of plastic and their friends that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► but like why wasn't this done more money anyway great number one problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► these knobs though you can't tell where the knobs are pointing because like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► they're not something I'm at black plastic around them with riches and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:24 ◼ ► reaches ever so slightly taller than all the other ridges and you can tell by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2424">TS</a>]
00:40:28 ◼ ► feel where that ridge's by looking at it forget it like and there's no markings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2428">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► on the front of the knob like little red triangle or something so figuring out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► where the knobs are pointing like what what function is this set to what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► temperatures is set to you basically have to feel on the thing especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► you're toasters and slightly darker undercounter type area they really great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► now feel not great and it's got a tray and it's kind of like you shaped like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► dip down which seems weird to me but then I realize what they want to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► actually confirm this by looking at the little pictures inside of the boxes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► can this two different sets of slots you can slide the train to but then with any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► slight you can flip the trail over to do plus or minus like an inch because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► the dip in the thing it's hard to explain what about a picture in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► essentially four different positions you can put the thing in just 22 slot then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► each slide you can put into different positions that seems like an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► idea to give more flexibility of different positions but overall I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► it's worth it because like things get caught on the little U-shaped thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► try to slide you to tell us that if you have four slices in there so clever idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:32 ◼ ► but in the end I would say that this does everything that tries to pull the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2492">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► trailer and open and close the door but because you can reposition the trade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► they can't make a single mechanism to do that they have to put kind of like metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► hook that catches the the trade in both positions of things really high really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► low catch a different areas like it's a difficult problem that's all they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► understand if you want to make a movie portray how do you connect something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► but again like technically kinda works but if you ever have to you move the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2516">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► train manually when you close the door again the little hooks to re-engage in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► the tray up while we're talking about a minute slower than my toaster toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:10 ◼ ► piece of bread but it all the way as it is very comfortable to my toaster just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2530">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► bit and then click here but that are not feel so that was kinda long I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► but this is actually a very interesting better not feel but worse overall knobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► because of the difficulty in detecting yes yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► whereas worse overall not right he totally because you can't tell where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► pointing to determine so in summary this is better or worse than the trouble was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:38 ◼ ► worse than the Breville has like digital timers and like it you know it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2558">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► adjustments for a number of slices and and auto adjust the time based on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► temperature inside the Breville the better toast their functionally this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► just has an interesting aspect and it is very similar to the Breville in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► do you think this is a good value for 80 bucks it sounds like you're saying yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► yeah I mean it's a little slow like a minute slower to toast that's that's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► the borderline of like a light i feel like im still probably take the Black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► and Decker 39 over this because that's my big hang out with my personal thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► feel I don't wanna wait that long for toast to the four men arranged for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► people to know you know I would still probably take the smaller more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► conventional also three now by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► Black and Decker over this thing it's just kind of a dead ringer for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► Breville but like I can see where that extra you know whatever dollars went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► remind thank you very much too cards against humanity for sponsoring our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:38 ◼ ► once again alright we got some pretty good feedback from kitty Johnny Mathis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2618">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► yeah this is on the topic of watches replacing phones I think we have another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► piece of feedback about this as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► heard there was one of the features that the phone has the phone as the watch has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► the don't necessarily seem to be watch related specifically all the little you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► out sending pictures to be born in the 3d emoji and all the different fitness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► app typings obviously need to have an accelerometer and their whatever but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► phone has an accelerometer the phone has a screen phone has all these things why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► are they on the watch now and that aspect this is true of a lot of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► products whatever the new glory product is seems to get a lot of the cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► features forest in a trickle down this happened along time with like hey I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► got some cool features that eventually came to the Mac in the reverse direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► of your guns there I don't know if those things lever come to the phone right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► there's nothing stopping you from being alone including all the fitness tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► stuff because he owns got an accelerometer and everything to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► can't do that obviously the blood pressure pulse stuff but everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► could happen on the phone it will be a shame if all the advanced features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► happens on the watch instead of the phone but I was trying to understand it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2694">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► and then the second one is like things like watch faces with the complications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► the IRS home screen as a bazillion people like that many many times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► including many Android fans the iOS home screen could be a lot cooler if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:12 ◼ ► supported essentially complications otherwise known as widgets are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► any kind of customization so you can make your lock screen or your homescreen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► more customizable and you can call has been moving slightly in that direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► let you know the Notification Center and the ability to adjust their and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► but in the end the home screens you know springboard to soldiers have been great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► of icons with some clumsy faltering thrown in and I i think i would you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► you know in scarecrows on the screen I think that would be a plus but we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:46 ◼ ► if that ever comes back to the Mac back to the iPhone this case and part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2746">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► reason why I think we don't have you know we have complications in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► watches we don't complications on your lockscreen your phone I think part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► the reason why is just another show you know it first of all you do have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:03 ◼ ► today view which is which I personally don't use they don't use debut and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2763">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► would definitely use lockscreen complications long before I used a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► stuff but keep in mind so not only do they have like an existing thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► because I always been around for so long and is so powerful within the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► even though it is not like the glory products you know that the watches right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:27 ◼ ► now there's there's inertia with like managerial decisions they're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2787">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► somewhere in Apple probably pretty high up there some manager VP holding tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► to the idea that there should not be widget on an iPhone home screen as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► as you know I mean maybe I will change this who knows but I doubt it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► somewhere there somebody who decided that a long time ago and is sticking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► with that decision is not letting a change it and like any anything that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► been around for a while gonna have used many people like there's been a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► discussion this week about the Mac App Store because there is there is an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► that hit number one and made very little money being number one and even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► it's not quite number one it's not quite anyway doesn't matter a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► discussion about the Mac App Store and how much sucks personally I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:16 ◼ ► Mac App Store situation can be blamed on one major thing that's a boxing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2836">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► the ABS a preview 30% cut black upgrade pressing all those things hurt but none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► of them hurt as much as sandboxing today in my opinion I think sandboxing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► Mac has been a massive loss of a massive net loss overall and that and it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► cost the Mac App Store a lot of a lot of good apps and a lot of developers will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► but somewhere and Apple there's clearly somebody who has power who is keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► sandboxing there and keeping sandboxing a requirement to be in the Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:54 ◼ ► and so even though it looks like it might not be the best idea for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2874">TS</a>]
00:48:00 ◼ ► product just the fact is when you have a big company you have people you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2880">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► power you have power struggle sometimes you have debates internally there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► other factors that keep things the way they are even if it's not ideal so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► this case the watch comes up in the water is kind of a clean slate I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► you know it seems to run some some variant of iOS but it is basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► clean slate in like the things that offer the things it doesn't the UI it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► offers where things are allowed where things aren't allowed and so it was able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:27 ◼ ► we might not see for a while and iOS sidetrack on this thing but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2907">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► sandbox think the guy who thinks that I think I mostly agree with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► like I think sandboxing is a positive direction for the back to go but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► execution of that of the implementation of that policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► left a lot to be desired having to become mandatory before his full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► having having their be so few ways for apps 22 you know like to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2933">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► outside of San boxing on a case-by-case basis with exceptions like just ideal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► gifts and even if sandbox and get sprung into existence in its current state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► immediately like nothing you can do that because you know you need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► developed to some degree but like the capabilities that were possible in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:19 ◼ ► sandbox and early on but just so limited and so broken so weird in so buggy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2959">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► mandate people going to that was just that was getting off on the wrong foot I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► think you do have to bring them back towards a sandbox intake environment but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► the way to get there is like not the way they've done it so I feel like that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► more of a and execution fumble than a theoretical and I do think there will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► always be things that are outside the sandbox and should be allowed to be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► the Mac App Store with caveat but some kind of warning blah blah blah but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► moving in a direction is good maybe it's similar with all the other decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► that like you may agree with the end state to go but you don't agree that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► way that plans to get there is going to be successful or has been beneficial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► basically how I feel like sandboxing in theory is a huge security improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► and and I i would like to be in the place where everything is sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► properly but I agree that the way it's been done has been pretty miserable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► and the result the reality is you have this system that is you know opt-in by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► very small number of apps it's not preventing Mac malware it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► preventing major abstract is going around the App Store insan themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:38 ◼ ► other software that is made and run every day that's not sandbox including a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3038">TS</a>]
00:50:42 ◼ ► lot of Apple's software because they're not sandbox or sandbox technically but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3042">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► is given like these blanket permission to do anything at once not really send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► so they're like in theory it's a great idea if everything was system can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► properly sandboxed in practice how to get there and what they've done so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► has been miserable the best thing for sandboxing like the best used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► sandboxing and Apple is doing this as well as for Apple to stand by that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► and it has been its been sandboxing tons of its daemon processes parts of the OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► Apple should be the primary user of it they should be applying it pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► strictly to all parts of the OS they possibly can to have the police [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► privileges at least access to and during that process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► apply it to their GUI applying it to you know they should be dog from this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► crazy they should be reined it out for everything and then offering it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► developers as this is a way for you to write your apt in a way that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► have to worry about somebody hosing the entire person's computer like so it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► benefit not as like you have to do this because we say so and if your app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► doesn't work because of it oh well you get an exception at that time attacking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:53 ◼ ► time bomb that's gonna run out in about a year so stop selling crap or make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3113">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► new act like it was just it was just done so badly and I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:01 ◼ ► technology had to be developed Apple should be using it all app developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3121">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► can use it should be using it but it should not be that should have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► awarding the Mac App Store in the way that is pushing out good apps entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► out of the store making people discouraged tonight even want develop a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► to the matter my idea anymore anyway so I don't even bother just been not great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► yeah it seems to me that a lot of times Apple is do as I say not as I do and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► think sandboxing is a great example of that and it's unfortunate because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► think a lot of the pain that developers feel Apple either fields and says I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► just not deal with that you know all this and boxing you I we can't do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► we don't need to bother or you know there are some kinds like with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► cloud kit where it's embraced its cloud Kingdom think you're right that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► photos runs on you ok so the club kid gets embraced in from everything I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► heard loud kids actually really solid because Apple dog food it's so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► unfortunate to me that that more of that doesn't happen or maybe if it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► happening but nobody knows it because we're left to assume it's not happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► and blame that as one of the big issues with say sandboxing but but maybe it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► happening we're just not aware of it and I mean to me like that the Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► as a whole to me and i dont have never had an appt for sale the Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► so I haven't seen that side of it but just from reading with our friends say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► who do who are in it and some from using it as a user it just it seems like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► Mac App Store is like Apple at its worst like all of Apple's I like the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► things they do they do most of those things in the Mac App Store and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► there's very little up site so lucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► the iOS App Store you have to put up with 30% you have to put up with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► these rules and restrictions you have to do a preview but the upside is you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3235">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► access to this massive massive customer base that is just incredibly high in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► volume and there's tons of money floating around and it's fairly easy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:10 ◼ ► know it's possible for me for many people to make a good living there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3250">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► the Mac App Store has all the same downside of the iOS App Store plus it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:21 ◼ ► has a way smaller installed base than that I O S even among people who use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3261">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► Macs a smaller percentage of them use the Mac App Store also the Mac App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► app is I think one of the worst at the ships with OS 10 I mean it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► terrible at its buggy it is confusing to navigate even when it works properly it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:43 ◼ ► is visually really wacky and inconsistent and dated looking i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3283">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► they're so it's a terrible at the mental model of those opposed my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► how many people know that if you click the Update button and immediately quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► the app to the Upstate still continues in the background Michael who would who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3296">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► would guess that based on the model of any app they've ever use like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► because it's so integrated into the system of the software update deal where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► the hell is running in the background like the fact that it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:07 ◼ ► downloading updates like it just totally breaks the model of an app that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3307">TS</a>]
00:55:12 ◼ ► people are you still on the max supercomputers yeah I mean so so the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3312">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► App Store like it has all the downsides of the iOS App Store plus a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► additional downsides and very little of the same upside and so it's no wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► that know that a No in it and there's no activity their biggest downside is sadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► that said before everybody involved that they're all alternatives to it like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► all the things that developers had about the iOS App Store about 30% about not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► having your own customers about cutting be able to respond to reviews like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► all those terrible things on the Mac people like herself right we are already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:51 ◼ ► big company where do you know how to sell things we turn to sell the Mac App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3351">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► Store we have the alternative right and so that means that they get all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► benefits of you know be able to talk directly to customers balance updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► like all that stuff but they also get all the downside that Apple is trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► help them to avoid like essentially if there had been only one place where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► get software for your Mac and I'm not recommending this because I am an old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► man who likes things the old way but anyway that had been the case the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► App Store ironically would actually be much better because people will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► forced to get into it that will probably force Apple to deal with some of its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► rules you know like that hasn't happened in iOS it has no place like anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► about the Ono interpreters ok well I guess games gonna have interpreters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► because they are you skipping like that's a that's a perfect example of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► let's make a bunch of really strict rules and then that's how unforeseen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► consequences in da says you gotta let us run Lua scripts that's how our home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► games work he is big enough for them to go all right all right you can run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► interpreter unless your game running a blog about line like every other place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► where something has been restricted in the iOS App Store if a big enough for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► enough important companies you know if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:02 ◼ ► at stopping them from selling in there or if they if they can't get their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3422">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► applications and they just think about the Mac App Store be like if that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► the only way dobie could get Photoshop onto the Mac it would have to be very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► different sandboxing cannot existence was gonna say we're not interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► Photoshop for the Mac anymore sorry you know something will have to give this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► all just a fantasy hypothetical scenario not something I recommend you can never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► actually happened for the Mac being with it is a general-purpose computer is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► a closed system like I was blah blah blah understand all of this I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► saying like due to that reality the Mac App Store is even worse even further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► handicapped by by the existence of a better readily available alternative the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► Mac developers already experienced with your last piece of follow-up is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► Sarah and she had some very interesting points with regard to the watch which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► John you alluded to earlier you wanna tell us about these yeah this is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:58 ◼ ► my market talking about the again the watch replacing the phone and I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3478">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► that I hadn't heard anyone say that again markets a dozen people looking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► have a lot to say no that's the thing that scary place the phone now right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► which is really just sort of excitement about anything and not a particular plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► to do so here is an actual plan to do so she says as soon as the watch has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► cellular radio I'll be ditching my phone and going with a watch + iPad set up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► the reasons for this are things that hadn't occurred to me because i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► have these problems and the problems are women's clothing don't have as many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► pockets so you don't always have a place to your phone and the alternative of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► putting in a bag is a pain she refers to the email to the tyranny of the handbag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► describes a phenomenon that I admit I also have not seen the ever been to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► nightclub you'll see in women dancing awkwardly unable to move properly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► because they can put their baghdad anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► our group of women dancing in a circle with their bags on the floor in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► center so they can keep them safe for the women can still dance this is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► good situation and not something that comes up with the idea is if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3537">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► have a watch on your wrist you not to worry about a pocket to find to put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► things you don't worry about that putting something valuable in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► personal find someplace safe to put your purse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:12 ◼ ► seen a lot of water views and a lot of it is about like the freedom of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3552">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► phone in your pocket I think there is a potential freedom in not only not run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► into your pocket but maybe not having to have your phone to perform some limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► set of tasks like if you just want to sort of be in touch by phone and be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► to send and receive text messages and some rudimentary way he may be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► freedom that affords is worth the massive drop in in functionality to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► would be sacrificing by not having a phone but only having a lot so there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► there's one vote four person is willing to do that as soon as the watch becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3583">TS</a>]
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01:03:18 ◼ ► but actually it can get pretty close but you know it not just distance people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3798">TS</a>]
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01:03:59 ◼ ► cared about fitness have never regularly done any fitness except I do walk my dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3839">TS</a>]
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01:05:09 ◼ ► fitness so this will probably wear off the right now just wanted to finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► those circles has gotten me to move more and to to complete my goals everyday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► like it is like I i have on my watch face I have only a couple complications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► and one of them is the activity rings and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► whenever I look at the watch I'm seeing so it's not like this thing I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:34 ◼ ► remember to check like a Fitbit or a pin or even like a pedometer affidavits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3934">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► pedometer up I have remember to check those this I don't even have to remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► to check its its annoying me on the watch face every day until it's complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► and so that like it actually does work I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► before the watch came out I was concerned about the big sensor bulge in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► the bottom of it for the fitness centers and I and I made a couple are marked as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:58 ◼ ► friends saying like you know if they made a version that didn't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3958">TS</a>]
01:06:02 ◼ ► sensor bulge and lacked all the fitness features I'd rather have that version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3962">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► because it would be thinner it might be more comfortable and having that bulge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3966">TS</a>]
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01:06:14 ◼ ► love those features so I'm really glad there is no option not to have them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3974">TS</a>]
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01:06:25 ◼ ► very happy with this real-time follow up on my wife on an Apple ID she emphasizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3985">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► that the main reason why she doesn't want the watch is because you can wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► it work for security reasons I should have thought of that why it does have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► camera anything at the microphone thanks again everything with Bluetooth or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► something that's so peculiar that lots of shows lots of security but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4003">TS</a>]
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01:07:33 ◼ ► decided that he actually liked the white sport or whatever it was I'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4053">TS</a>]
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01:11:19 ◼ ► amen to that alright so Facebook came out with instant articles the gist of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► is that Facebook has now launched this platform system whatever you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► call it for publishers like the new york times and BuzzFeed in TechCrunch like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► four major publishers and I think it works by page but we'll see anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► they've launched thing for publishers can now have articles that pop up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► can be read completely within the Facebook apps and the Facebook site at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► least the apps after what matters most in demand for mobile stuff and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► any idea here is interesting so you know there's so publishers so that the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4316">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► is they don't want you going to the publishers websites to read them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► popping up a a WebView in the app on the New York Times dot com whatever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:12 ◼ ► want the article to display directly within the Facebook app natively in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4332">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► interface have have all the images and stuff loaded up there and and be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► do dynamic cool animated stuff and everything else i I have a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► cynical view of this but i i think it's inevitable John Germany think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:31 ◼ ► the first part of those interested in with the instant part because just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4351">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► technologically like you know this is a native app looks like it's by the simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► to the paper app I saw tweeted by Mike Matusow find out about us assume he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:43 ◼ ► involved it's very slick looking at the pitch to the user is your gonna launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4363">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► Facebook anyway you're going to school three years here you know your Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► feed right that's something you're going to do anyway when you see something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► interesting in your Facebook feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4378">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► like someone posted I can article I go I saw this girl can you might wanna check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:03 ◼ ► it out to Reston commentary when you tap on that whether it's like a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4383">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► reviewer you know some things for you to be outraged about and then yelled out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► Facebook revered as they want you to be able to tap on that thing and not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► to wait for a web page they want you to tap and immediately be reading your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► article right and of course all the demos thereof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:21 ◼ ► from national geographic or something with a beautiful picture and or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4401">TS</a>]
01:13:25 ◼ ► but as i think i emphasize like unlike marcos traditional criticism of paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4405">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► which is that the app looks great of all your friends are beautiful people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► are always on vacation in California adding that to the instant thing is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► okay well this is not articles to your friends made 20 articles in The New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► Times or you know poster whatever like these are professionally produced things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:51 ◼ ► you know and the chances of them looking nice and enticing your timeline is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4431">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► really high but they want to make it so that when you're going through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► timeline that you can consume knows as easily as you can read a comment for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:02 ◼ ► somebody is going to tap on it and it instantly there and that is a if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4442">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► that's a great and user benefit because people do scroll through timelines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► people do want occasionally things and I know that I often feel I would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► read that but I don't wanna wait for them to lower it sounds stupid it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:20 ◼ ► you can't wait 2 seconds or something you like you're on wifi your iPhone 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4460">TS</a>]
01:14:24 ◼ ► not going to take any age too low but sometimes just like just the idea of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4464">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► screen blanking going through a spinner and having hit the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:30 ◼ ► blah blah just waiting for that number all spoiled but I wouldn't use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4470">TS</a>]
01:14:36 ◼ ► analogy of like the studies that I think Google Yahoo did it ever like what does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4476">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► an extra 200 milliseconds response time on a server due to the the purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► rates of items in a store and it's like tremendous effects of a tiny speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:50 ◼ ► change of speed page loading you would think like shaving 200 milliseconds off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4490">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► of the products page make a difference in sales and the answer was like yes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► tremendous difference like there's a huge cliff after which people just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:04 ◼ ► aren't interested in lose you know and so that effect i think is real for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4504">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► Marco can filter the next my voice and my kids here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► engaging with content as reading at a staff meeting the stuff that's in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► time like someone post a link to an article are you can actually read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► are going to go right past it if it loads quote-unquote instantly then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:25 ◼ ► won't and the reason I think this is an interesting reframing is because as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4525">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► all know I can't actually like this nothing instant all doing is preloading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► it right that's all you know is just spending a different time doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► rather than waiting and you know tons of browsers do is chrome I think was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► first one to really aggressively do it like prefetching all the pages link for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:44 ◼ ► a page Google Prefecture as the first search results or chrome that you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4544">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► we're going to load it before you tap it so that by the time you tap it is loaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► it's also it's also presumably looking less stuff like you know it's probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:56 ◼ ► also not loading the million different JavaScript trackers a load some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4556">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► because that is compatible with publishers tracking system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► publishers ad systems so it will be loading some of that stuff but I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► think I would bet and you know it's not loading giant stylesheet giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:12 ◼ ► JavaScript includes for the site theme in the header and everything like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4572">TS</a>]
01:16:16 ◼ ► don't think I'm I'm betting that it's it's only loading the article + tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4576">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► stuff and add stuff like not necessarily the tremendous sidebars the all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:27 ◼ ► related content if you look at if you look at the typical article page 44 a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4587">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► major site there's so much other crap on that page and so many includes for style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:37 ◼ ► and Java stuff like this so much stuff a lot that's going to be there in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4597">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► Facebook version cuz they're gonna want their tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► want their money and Facebook support those things but I bet it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► a lot less than having like the headers and footers the sidebars all that crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► that though is loaded I was just thinking they're going to be more pills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► again a richer experience which is code for gonna take it year downloads who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► gonna have a lot of stuff in it but you know it could it could be better there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► is it's conceivable it'll be lighter weight due to the shared resources among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:05 ◼ ► all the articles but but basically it's time shifting gets its clever pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4625">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► cashing of things that they that you know we will fetch it for you so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► when you tap it is there which is a great idea for thing but trying for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► application benefit but trying to sell that is instant I don't see how that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► can fulfill its promise because it's got it down the sink some time and if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► connection is slow and you launch the app and you scroll through it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► get any tap on the first thing you see and if it doesn't have you you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► gonna background downloading like I'm sure they do everything in their power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:37 ◼ ► and that was a platform to try to get us that download it before you tap on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4657">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► but sometimes you're going to win the race and when you do that it's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:44 ◼ ► be like to be instant because it won't it won't be instant is a reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4664">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► selling point that they can but like putting it right in the name may end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► backfiring so that's that's one thing just the simple technology behind what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:58 ◼ ► is this thing what do the selling point for use of pepper well I mean do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4678">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► think the name is actually meant to be like this is why Facebook is doing it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► do you think the name is a red herring to convince people that they should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► this thing that massively benefits Facebook that's what I'm gas like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:15 ◼ ► this is the end user this is the end user story why would you be interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4695">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► in the future hinson articles you want to read them you know have to wait good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► but it is it is the least interesting aspect of this feature from the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► strategic perspective the user's perspective is Facebook saying we want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► to be the the place where people get your content don't send them to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► website in fact why even bother having website once you do everything through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► us be able to create a network we can do kool ad targeting you could advertise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► 300 percent of the revenue from all the people who go through but it's totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:47 ◼ ► you know like I hope all the content providers are smart enough to not sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4727">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► it's giving Facebook if this if this was super successful and it became one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► those things like well you gotta have a facebook is an article you can't there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:02 ◼ ► no way you can get in traffic about doing that that spells bad news for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4742">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► everybody several Facebook everybody consumers you know websites everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► and so I really hope it doesn't succeed in 16 but like I kinda like and to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► doesn't succeed not because it's not a benefit to the end user because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► want Facebook to be the the gateway for most of the things that people read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► because no I don't I mean unfortunately I think that's the reality you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► that you know i i think we've been feeling for a while and a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► I don't think are are ready to to see or admit this yet but the web is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► dramatically losing relevance not the internet but the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► the the web is viewed in web browsers that is so dramatically losing relevance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► in in the age of mobile and absent and they have stuff now and social stuff at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► the web is losing its not going to die over the losing I feel like as it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:08 ◼ ► in cycles and I you know I guess it's not gonna die you can't kill it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4808">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► it is available right but it does does going so it's kind of the same things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► people said about giving Apple power by like you shouldn't have a website you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► should just have a nap right and that's the same as I situation you would want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► to get out of that power at all but the way it looks like a check out to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► that every website has an appt but it is not made the websites go away and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► Facebook thing looks much more capable of making the web site's become like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► new york times out but there's no way the New York Times out is ever going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► make the New Times website go away as New York Times if there was a New York [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:45 ◼ ► Times instant article thing to Facebook just so much bigger than a pond already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4845">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► has already succeeded so far gotten so far getting everybody to consume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► everything through the Facebook feed that terrify like they're closer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► being able to suck publications in and make their websites irrelevant I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4857">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► this is like this is way bigger than Google News ever was back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► that was a man that was a big deal and publishers were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► trying to threaten to sue them but then they didn't want to block by them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► committed to that would be even more even more disastrous this is like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► times 10 I really do think that web browsing is really in trouble and as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► result publishers are in trouble I i read article with a terrible title about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► this about a year ago or something I i think is very clear that all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► social usage all the time people are spending using apps and using social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► networks on their phones and stuff is some of that is attitude when people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► just waiting in line at the bank or something where they weren't doing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► things before but a lot of that is also time that has been taken away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► browsing the web reading publisher sites reading RSS and stuff like that for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:55 ◼ ► geeks like this is actually been all this this social activity is competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4915">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► with that and has taken a lot of it I do I worry a lot about the future of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► web I really don't think this is a small trend or a temporary thing or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► that that is guaranteed to just had the pendulum swing back the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► eventually I think this is a major shift that people have voted with their time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► and with their activity in with their attention they have voted for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/4942">TS</a>]
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01:28:35 ◼ ► this move is them just you know annexing more of the web like hey you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/5315">TS</a>]
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01:47:03 ◼ ► there an off the shelf streaming solution I have looked at a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6423">TS</a>]
01:47:06 ◼ ► package to have even tried to integrate some of them that that claim to offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6426">TS</a>]
01:47:10 ◼ ► this none of them have worked for me and and some of them some of them they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6430">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► haven't worked for me because they have just annoying shortcomings that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:20 ◼ ► would be a problem in my app things like oh we you know this will support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6440">TS</a>]
01:47:24 ◼ ► streaming of everything except mp4 files that's a bit of a problem for podcasts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6444">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► and any AAC encoder podcast is wrapped in an mp4 container simple things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:34 ◼ ► no way to get id3 information that might be a problem for me in the future I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6454">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► wanna parts that you know no ability to stoop to jump around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:44 ◼ ► in certain formats in certain cases like there's there's there's problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6464">TS</a>]
01:47:47 ◼ ► limitation with a lot of the package is out there that if you're writing an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6467">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► where you are streaming from a known set of sources that you know like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:56 ◼ ► control the source and then you can say well we're only going to serve mp3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6476">TS</a>]
01:48:00 ◼ ► format streams for instance and so you know what you're gonna be reading and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6480">TS</a>]
01:48:04 ◼ ► you have control over that you love more options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6484">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► first of all if you don't need smart speed you need a player like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► basic things like for for most people you don't need to be working at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► level because most applications eighty player will work just fine for you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► only reason they need to get this level is to get smart speed working now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► another option they can make soros has a radio this this is the this is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► the only other apps that has silenced getting as a feature I met him at a news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:37 ◼ ► conference this year is really nice guy and I asked him why I know that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6517">TS</a>]
01:48:41 ◼ ► supports streaming and he has found skipping and asked him how he did it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6521">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► he said he just doesn't have sound skipping and effects when its treatment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:50 ◼ ► and he he just has two different paths in the code we're like if he's playing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6530">TS</a>]
01:48:55 ◼ ► video or playing audio file office stream he just uses every player and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6535">TS</a>]
01:49:01 ◼ ► then if he's not uses his other audio effects and I could do I could go down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6541">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► that route 2 I'm just choosing not to so I could have offered streaming at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:11 ◼ ► very beginning and just say well you can stream but just then smart speed won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6551">TS</a>]
01:49:16 ◼ ► work in a few street I just choosing I don't want that like i don't i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6556">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► want that to my solution I want I want smart speed invoice boost and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► affected you in the future I want those all to be available no matter what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:28 ◼ ► source of the of the audio is whether you're streaming it whether you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6568">TS</a>]
01:49:31 ◼ ► whether you're playing off a local file etc also a TV Player you can't save the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6571">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► contents of a stream and I don't like that I would like I think if your gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:40 ◼ ► stream data ones you should be able to write that data to local disk and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6580">TS</a>]
01:49:44 ◼ ► know be able to play it offline afterwards if you want to so again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6584">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► limitation with the built-in stuff I could have used different modes wrestled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:53 ◼ ► well this moody up his limitations I'd rather not do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6593">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► I'll just have one smart solid system that applies the same rules a matter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► the data comes from and give you the same features of the data comes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:05 ◼ ► that's why I'm doing it the hard way and it's very hard and that that might not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6605">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► be the right answer that this might be a terrible idea it might not be worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:13 ◼ ► but this is how you do it like once you kind of really from reading your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6613">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► messages seems like if any of the steering frameworks gave you a place to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:23 ◼ ► sort of insert your own code into the stream where you could do you smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6623">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► sweet stuff you'd you'd be all set but never none of them seem to give you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► low-level access because they always assume you know will take everything for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:34 ◼ ► you just pointed to the stream and we'll get the others like no I won't I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6634">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► be in there any to look at the bites close by and do stuff with it right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► what you're essentially doing is a lot of work to be done for you and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► frameworks just even get that one access point is this correct characterization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► oh yeah that's that's that's part of it and even just like just the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► frameworks work the way they're structured the way I like how the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6654">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► does certain things there's there's a couple of different low-level audio AP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► eyes that you could be using I have to be working at basically the lowest level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► to do what I do and and so some of them don't work at a level that low some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► them do but in a weird way that has limitations like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:14 ◼ ► some of them are basically is doing what I'm doing and I can just look at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6674">TS</a>]
01:51:16 ◼ ► and see you know some tricks they do or something you know somewhere thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6676">TS</a>]
01:51:20 ◼ ► for the most part now another figure out the right way to do it I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6680">TS</a>]
01:51:26 ◼ ► I'm making good progress so I'll get there has to be your new Instapaper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6686">TS</a>]
01:51:30 ◼ ► tableview gridview it's like you do this thing you found out you gotta think I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6690">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► streaming engine supports all the features to iOS releases later they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:38 ◼ ► ad looks taller API's that you could do smart like that's just that's gotta do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6698">TS</a>]
01:51:44 ◼ ► what you gotta do but I don't know maybe maybe this will never be important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6704">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► enough for them to do like the collection views was eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:50 ◼ ► important nothing to do but it's tons of apps have abused like that of arbitrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6710">TS</a>]
01:51:54 ◼ ► grades of items reordering and blah blah blah but I'm not sure how many apps care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6714">TS</a>]
01:51:58 ◼ ► about the low-level audio access that you need so maybe your be safe yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6718">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► and like you know eighty player can support voice boost even like you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:08 ◼ ► audio effects and TV Player you guys can adjust the time scale of the audio so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6728">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► you can do any effect that that take in and out put the same number of samples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► you can do that maybe player no problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:19 ◼ ► well it's not easy but you can do it but anything that is just the timescale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6739">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► dynamically you can't and that is what smart speed needs to do one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► questions in the chat let me see Cody explorer s that's why is streaming in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► such demand if you have wifi downloading an individual facilitates a 10 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► when its low that's a good point you know I've gotten along this far without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► having streaming one could argue as I've asked myself many times as I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:49 ◼ ► one could ask like do I do I ever need streaming and the answer is I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6769">TS</a>]
01:52:56 ◼ ► can get away without it forever if I need to but it would be better with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6776">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► for two or three main reasons 11 very big use case that people always ask for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:06 ◼ ► the night can satisfy is a lot of you prefer to run their clients and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6786">TS</a>]
01:53:10 ◼ ► streaming only mode and the big advantage here is that you never have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6790">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► download big chunks so many like an episode that comes in that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:19 ◼ ► actually listening to you didn't download that CD that data and also it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6799">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► takes up no disk space basically you have some space for like cashing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:27 ◼ ► artwork and database stuff like that but compared to when you're down an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6807">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► episode like fifty or a hundred megs that's a very little space and people so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:36 ◼ ► often who have like the 16 gig iPhone that for some reason Apple is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6816">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► selling they can be very low on space so if you can have a motive your podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:45 ◼ ► app that doesn't utilize disk space that's there's a lot of people who want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6825">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► secondarily no matter how fast your connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:51 ◼ ► is if there's an episode that you want to listen to right now and it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6831">TS</a>]
01:53:54 ◼ ► downloaded to tap it and to have to sit there and wait for the whole thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6834">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► download before you even start sucks even if it only sucks for five seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:03 ◼ ► that still sucks many and many cases it's gonna suck for longer than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6843">TS</a>]
01:54:07 ◼ ► reality is not everybody has fast wifi not everybody is on wifi not everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6847">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► some connection to that fast so if you can tap and start playback soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► immediately if that is better like no question that is better forget about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:22 ◼ ► wifi in the cell connections my I have fast all of those things it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6862">TS</a>]
01:54:27 ◼ ► forever to download some podcasts because the hosting is slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6867">TS</a>]
01:54:31 ◼ ► that is my biggest complaint about streaming is like if I forget to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6871">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► download a podcast and I have to you know go to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:36 ◼ ► you look at it it's like what is this doing 200 k per second forget it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6876">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► I'm not going to sit here and wait 15 minutes and is not because of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:43 ◼ ► connection that's because the server can't feed me the bites fast enough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6883">TS</a>]
01:54:47 ◼ ► I blame your background downloader yeah if I had to pick one time I'm not big on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6887">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► stream I like the fact that will be able to play play i I would like a hybrid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6892">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► mode where it starts playing as soon as possible but it still down but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6897">TS</a>]
01:55:00 ◼ ► featured I must get it tonight about it overcast is why isn't this downloading I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6900">TS</a>]
01:55:05 ◼ ► don't know why it's downloading I know you have to like start all stop all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6905">TS</a>]
01:55:08 ◼ ► thing happens sometimes I know you thought about that but the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6908">TS</a>]
01:55:11 ◼ ► download firmware everything you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6911">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► mysterious to me there is no indication in the UI and nothing I can do about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:17 ◼ ► to say other than sometimes pause and restart pause and restart do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6917">TS</a>]
01:55:20 ◼ ► starts happening I always want to know what are you waiting to download just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6920">TS</a>]
01:55:24 ◼ ► thought I would also like to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6924">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► yeah unfortunately this framework do not give you that information you could sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► it start downloading this and you know it started when you get the first bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:34 ◼ ► right unlike a software update running in the background ahead of you in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6934">TS</a>]
01:55:37 ◼ ► queue you know taking your spot in the background cute and eight and he's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6937">TS</a>]
01:55:42 ◼ ► the changes mentioned within my third point which is you know let's say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6942">TS</a>]
01:55:46 ◼ ► wanna be a feature where you can view a share link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6946">TS</a>]
01:55:48 ◼ ► natively in the abbot somebody says check out this podcast they was so funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6948">TS</a>]
01:55:52 ◼ ► at this minute and that middle is an hour into the show if you can open up at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6952">TS</a>]
01:55:57 ◼ ► Lincoln overcast and start that play back at that point you have to download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6957">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► the entire file before that the whole first hour of the show you can download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:04 ◼ ► a few bites get the header information and then jump ahead with a range request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6964">TS</a>]
01:56:08 ◼ ► and get like and then only download the part from your play head forward so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6968">TS</a>]
01:56:15 ◼ ► that's also a very compelling case that could be very useful in the future if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6975">TS</a>]
01:56:19 ◼ ► if i do more social features and stuff like that so there there are all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6979">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► features even right now like when a new download comes in youth notification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► right now the only thing can offer on that is a dismissed but I can't wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:32 ◼ ► until the download it and then notify the local don't like that and the timely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6992">TS</a>]
01:56:35 ◼ ► what people want most of the time they want to know when it out so I notify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6995">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► when it out it would be ideal if I could have a button on the notification that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► said play for the people who want to play and medially and again it's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:47 ◼ ► more feature I can't do really well until they have streaming so there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7007">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► there's a whole bunch of these like little feature alumni cities that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:54 ◼ ► all being held up by my lack of streaming and so that's that's why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7014">TS</a>]
01:57:00 ◼ ► yes I can get along forever about it but the Apple be a lot better with it and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7020">TS</a>]
01:57:06 ◼ ► that's why I'm doing it that's why it's worth all the trouble and I think I i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7026">TS</a>]
01:57:10 ◼ ► gotten pretty far with this latest attempt by I think I really onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7030">TS</a>]
01:57:14 ◼ ► something here I think this might be this might be the one guys might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7034">TS</a>]
01:57:18 ◼ ► found the one number 42 you sit you looked at a bunch of different packages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7038">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► in order to do this for you and you said that they didn't work out of curiosity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► did you create anything particularly useful for many of these different open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:32 ◼ ► source packages or was that basically wasted time I looked at some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7052">TS</a>]
01:57:36 ◼ ► just like just like how they use some of the API is right but I don't i didnt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7056">TS</a>]
01:57:41 ◼ ► even copy and paste the code out from them at different or that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7061">TS</a>]
01:57:46 ◼ ► unsuitable for my task like it was more like a general overview of like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7066">TS</a>]
01:57:50 ◼ ► interesting like they don't use a buffer here or order using the audio file AP I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTTAD2o/7070">TS</a>]
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