The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► how's that low-level see audio codec how does your working on I'm making progress [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► do you have any hair left to pull out of your head Marco know this is why I cut [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► it short to make to make that possible I knew I was gonna be working on car audio [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► this week so I got a fresh haircut number two on the razor nice and that [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► that means it's too short to realistically grab hold of my god I'm so [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► that a handful maybe he might have been a little fingers extensors any free [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► follow-up stuff we need to worry about there is no pre follow-up only post [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► followup and follow-up and more follow follow up maybe the show is pre follow [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► at this point she just called this the axonal follow-up podcast will this [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► follow-up and then the main topics are really just pre follow up for next week [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► its so true so let's do our follow up so we can get to the pre follow-up now we [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► should probably start with it [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► talking about our discussion about how to attract or encourage women and girls [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► to listen to the show and unsurprisingly we got a lot of feedback about this and [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► I i appreciate and I know we appreciate all the feedback [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► a lot of it was really good pretty much all of it was really interesting in it [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► it certainly opened my eyes a bit on with regard to how men reacted to it how [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► women react to it and and so just a few things I think we should talk about [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► upfront I think first and foremost we i I would say we caught a little bit of [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► flak about spending so much time talking about advertisers and Harry's [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► specifically and I think that's reasonable I think the the problem with [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► the way the last episode when is that because we spent so much time talking [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► about talking about the advertisers it appeared as though that was the thing we [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► thought was the biggest priority just by virtue of the fact we spent so much time [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► on it [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► in reality that's not at all what any of us think is the biggest priority the [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► first thing to change its just as per usual we got wrapped around the axle on [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► that topic in I don't know if any of you ever heard the show but we sometimes get [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► off in the weeds and that's exactly what happened and in I think while the [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► discussion I think was good I don't mean for it and I am pretty sure you guys [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► don't mean for it to be representative of what we think is the right approach [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► to fix this problem it just so happens we got off in the weeds I think actually [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► have it back up as I can [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► here's how I maybe you all have different opinions of this feedback but [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► here's how I would characterize the first person I want to say that I still [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► feel like I'm I'm still processing that feedback I agree I'd like an ottoman [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► partly because it still coming in and probably become as I think it was like [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► the most upsetting to me feedback that we've ever gotten the show and there was [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► a wide wide range of responses feedback was all over the map but the title of [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► the top of that map was probably like you guys are dummies I got people like [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► this was skewed way negative like consensus is we are dummies and it's not [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► to say that it's not useful but like sometimes we get feedback that's like [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► just providing information or supportive or whatever but pretty much all this [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► feedback was telling us things that we missed our area I mean some of it was I [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► guess feedback from solicited feedback but it was fairly negative I do not that [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► surprised me I think I was kind of dreading discussing this topic because I [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► kind of figured this would be the the feedback we would get but the fact that [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► I'm still processing it makes me feel like I don't I don't quite know what to [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► think I'm and you i think what you highlighted is probably the only [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► dominant theme that I saw in it because I guess even though it was mostly [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► negative to a wide-ranging people have very different ideas about what we got [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► wrong right so I was a wide range on the negative round but the one thing a lot [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► of people seem to agree on your head is that [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► regardless of how they felt about the ads the dad was not the core issue [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► people who said you absolutely have to get rid of the ads also tends not the [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► core issue people said you absolutely have to keep the ads also the added that [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► the core issue right so that I feel like it's the only consensus that I could dry [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► out of this so far two things one that we didn't do a very good job and to that [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► the ad is a distraction regardless of how people feel about it what did you [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► think of the name and I am I being too negative on the negativity Marco where [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► did you get that impression as well now that was that was pretty much it i mean [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► this was I mean I'm also still processing a lot of this I I would say [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► just anecdotally added you guys feel the same way I would say anecdotally this is [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► probably the most words we've gotten feedback on any topic it just it it has [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► taken me a long time to even just reread the feedback email has been so much of [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► it and and most of it has been had been very informative I mean overall you know [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► there was definitely a prominent pattern to a lot of it that began with I'm a man [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► but Anna giant ball of the text that showed really a pretty poor [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► understanding of gender issues and technology or ever in life and that I'm [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► a little saddened by that you feel like though that was like the easiest [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► feedback and all yeah I ignored most of the amine it's it's depressing that you [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► know we're going to get that type of thing but it's a type of bacteria and [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► you like alright well so I know these people are out there I know they're [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► listening they have different opinions and ideas than we do but it's easier to [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► I don't know it's like it's easier to process because they in many respects [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► they are who they are who we are most capable of reaching right like if we can [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► reach those people that will affect change right if we can we can turn those [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► people around or just even more than more towards what we think you know our [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► value system that will be a success and they were sort of showing us here we are [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► over here if you feel like moving us [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► towards your way of thinking this is where we are so now you know what you've [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► got your work cut out for you [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► yeah it was surprising to me I think most of the email while negative was [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► informative there were certainly a lot of Hayama dude and blah blah blah blah [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► blah ok so you should really improve it but the thing that struck me was as the [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► immediate Twitter replies to the ATP account were disappointing and I'm sorry [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► I was certainly and remain taken aback by it because I was very surprised about [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► how many replies we saw which basically made me think that we were all members [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► of the he-man woman haters club which I don't remember signing up for and I [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► don't remember that being a thing and that was that was a little bit [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► disappointing not all of them of course but a lot of them well I mean I think [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► that that is the most much more interesting feedback to me also more [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► upsetting but much more interesting and because it's it's it's giving us new [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► information as opposed to just saying hey there are people out there with [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► regressive ideas about women in technology like eddie knew that but the [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► other side of the coin is more enlightening and I i would say for the [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► feedback and trying to characterize it we get more feedback from women than [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► usual which is expected and this type of topic and the reason I was emphasizing [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► the wider range is as I tried to emphasize on a show like women are not a [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► monolith no individual woman who treats it as it writes devices is purporting to [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► speak for all women they're just individuals right and that's why getting [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► a lot of feedback is good because otherwise if you had to get feedback [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► from three people and they all three different things you have no idea dude [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► could be a feedback from 300 people then maybe you can start sort of you know [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► slicing and dicing in trying to figure things out and you know soliciting [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► feedback is one thing and the second thing which you know many ppl emphasize [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► like you so was it the feedback and then you have to actually read it and listen [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► to it right the difficulty in doing that correctly as I love my son talk about 11 [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► difficulty is [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► try not to be defensive trying to be like you have to answer everything try [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► to be like every piece of advice is an accusation so on and so forth [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► you know trying not to suffer from a Lancer syndrome all these all these bad [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► instincts that are in me definitely and maybe you too as well you have to fight [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► those but the second thing is with this huge range even talk about something so [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► is the average of room or less agreed was not the core issue here just looking [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► at the women who get feedback and the add you know you can't possibly do what [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► quote unquote everyone wants because they want contradictory things some [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► women said you absolutely have to keep the ad removing it would be insulting [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► some women said you actually have to remove the ad its presence is insulting [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► so you get their feedback and we listened to it at some point we have to [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► do something and there is no course of action seems to me that a lot of the [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► people writing in all caps no matter what their opinion believe the day they [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► didn't seem to leave a lot of room for other possibilities of many people wrote [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► in to say this is the situation you guys at dummies are not seeing it and the [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► answer is obvious just do what I say but it's like but you know it's just that [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► one me emails fine but like you read one email after the next after the next at [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► an accident like if I do what you want then these ten people are gonna be upset [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► by do what they want them is fifty people are going to you know that's [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► that's that's our job our job is to solicit feedback accepted read it listen [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► to a try to understand it and then decide what the right thing to do for us [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► is right and that's why I feel like I'm still processing because it's difficult [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► to sort of being the people pleaser mobile you're like we're trying to do [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► the right thing you're right we're trying to solicit feedback if only there [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► was a quote unquote answer but there is not there is lots of people's opinions [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► and lots of people's answers and we have to figure out how how do we make forward [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► progress on [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► on you know on our goals based on this feedback and it's just it's kinda makes [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► my head spin at this point I think one one thing I think that we can all agree [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► on besides cheese thing is that we got a lot of feedback because we asked for it [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► and and that's exactly what we wanted we were asking the question to our audience [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► especially to the women in our audience what can we do to help address this [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► massive gender imbalance that our audience and you know it in tech [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► podcasting Anandtech as a whole this is a big problem and I i you know i i don't [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► pretend to be an expert on this I'm far from it I do however want to improve it [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► and as as a guy who is a smart ass and has always been a smartass I've always [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► had the problem of I rush right to thinking I have an answer to something [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► and as we saw in the email and as many women see every single day that's a very [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► common thing in this business and it's a very common thing among men in general [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► the you know the the attitude that we could have an immediate answer for [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► everything and we know everything about everything and we can quickly explain [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► away ever anything any problem and one of the things that I think everyone [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► would agree on which there isn't much in in this argument that everyone will [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► agree on it but I think everyone was on the right side of this can probably [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► agree that especially we men need to be listening more to be asking and [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► listening more we just need to be listening to what women are actually [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► telling us and it was very valuable to see even though a lot of it was [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► contradictory from women about what we should or shouldn't do the fact is we [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► asked we are listening and we're going to continue to ask him listen and to all [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► the men out there who responded in that matter of fact way this is going to be [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► hard for you to change in your in your life it's certainly hard for us but you [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► have to be open to the idea that the first step when this question is asked [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► is to listen to what women are telling you listen to what they have to say to [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► ask them [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► listening to care not just to jump to thinking you know the answer because [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► really is that is such a big problem for so many people and it is really this is [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► this is really primarily a problem with men that do this like the fact is the [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► world is not a perfectly balanced a place for everything is equal it's far [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► from it and that's the whole problem we're trying to address it is ok to [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► recognize that even even if you think you're being good and even if you think [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► that you are helping there are gonna be things in johnnie time there's gonna be [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► things that you subconsciously do or that you just do because you've always [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► done them and that's just the way you think that you think are normal in [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► neutral but they're not and so it's really is of utmost importance that men [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► in particular don't just jump to think you know the answers here that you know [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► really sit back and listen there's a lot that that we need to hear that's what I [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► talked about on the game gate episode one of the suggestions I made to the [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► audience of people who may have been sort of sympathizing with a gamer gate [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► and I'm just trying to look for something that I could suggest that [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► would be like actionable and that I felt like would make real change based on [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► what has worked for me and I was suggesting like Twitter account size [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► it's suggested that a bunch of people Twitter accounts like the everyday [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► sexism Twitter accounts a problem sure I suggested briana was the Twitter account [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► like just follow these to put our council was my suggestion but then don't [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► ever reply to them just like the tweets are going to make you angry sometimes [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► you're gonna disagree with a lot of fun the whole idea is like a one-year plan [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► of like subscribe and read the tweets economic don't get crazy but I'm just [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► haven't in the mix it and I'm doing this in terms of what we could do anything [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► blog posts you know who you [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► his facebook post you read what sites are either whatever just read them even [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► if the entire year you absolutely hundred percent disagree with every [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► single thing that you read because I feel like most of that like sort of just [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► being in contact with those ideas will slowly affect your worldview because [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► it's essentially force listen I cannot realistically maybe reading them like [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► hey treating them like a look at these dummies I disagree with everything they [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► so dumb that I know anything about anything right if you just keep reading [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► them like an everyday sexism on it is a great example it's like you just read [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► day after day after day of like minor things that happen to people situations [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► they ran I feel like it will eventually get through to you like this is not made [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► up stuff and I like it because I think the volume is important right and so we [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► are subjecting ourselves to this essentially voluntarily to try it you [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► know you know bring us bring out the feedback [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► tell us what you think give us your ideas and we just kind of have to soak [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► in it like you know it's like buying you know we're soaking it in some degree but [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► like actually inviting it'd be kind of getting a big dose of it dumped on her [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► head and that's part of the process of course this is a podcast and follow up [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► and of course we do have responses to things so kind of violating our rules [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► here but that the reason I suggest that all that stuff like that I feel like I [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► got into like just gamer game was a big part but even before that reading like [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► every single post about these things reading people following new people [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► looking at their tumblers following them on Twitter just just reading everything [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► mostly not responding to a mostly not engaging with people on Twitter mostly [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► but just like reading it and gave a gate was like the peak was just like every [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► day like seventeen new things to read write and then following the links on [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► the threads following the different people to you know where they come from [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► where what's their background what have they written before what have they done [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► you know like that kind of sort of it's not so they can be in research or [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► whatever on the topic is I thought that in most influential in my life and [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► changing my cell phone [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► on these topics and feedback is is part of that and now that I've said all those [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► things to try to be differentially everything I have to go and ruin it by [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► responding to what I think was the the harshest criticism we got because I [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► think the one thing he doesn't like this was the most common but I look back over [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► to the most negative event of the spectrum above the feedback we got its [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► not believe it or not from the people who have progressive ideas about women [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► in tech their feedback but tended not to be harsh tended to be condescending and [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► patronizing but like that's the most harsh ones in the one that felt the [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► worst feedback from women who did the gist of this feedback was on the topic [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► of changing the host lineup and changing the format of the show saying [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► essentially if you don't do one of those two things then it shows you don't care [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► about women at all and this is all BS front and that's the harshest version of [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► that just like you know saying these two things are are the test you if you don't [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► if you refuse to do things as we SAT and talked about last night we didn't want [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► to change the hostname the show with internal injuries show we basically [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► ruled those out and I feel like people hearing that people hearing I say we [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► read through this big list of suggestions that people suggested to us [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► and then we ruled out those two right off the bat and it just feels like every [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► other encounter women have had in technology where it's like the people in [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► the position of power [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► hear their concerns and immediately dismiss that sounds like slamming the [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► door in their face and I understand why people are angry about that understand [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► why why we got that the people are feeling the way they did why they felt [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► compelled to go to the feedback form and and write those things in but I you know [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► the I responded to some of these people and what I said all the responses of a [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► similar as I said on the show that would that would absolutely make the show more [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► appealing [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► you know given granted like this is feedback we received I agree with them [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► I'm where I disagree is by us not doing those two specific things and only those [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► two specific things change the host lineup during the show changes show [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► format to be an interview show that somehow there's nothing else we can do [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► to make this show more appealing to women to get more women listless I [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► totally disagree with that i think there are a ton of things we could do to find [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► more you know to make the show more inclusive to find attract more women to [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► the show is just a tremendous amount we read a whole bunch of tons of people [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► send us feedback with the with ideas [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► only two things we ruled out for changing the host lineup and changing [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► the formula Jeremy individual everything else including the harry said I might [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► point out on the table right and so that feedback like like it because it shows [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► that those people but they came away with was that we were that we were [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► dismissing them that we were just doing exactly what has been done to them in [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► the entire technology industry for their entire life which is just like this [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► population they listen to is going to address my concerns from home and are [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► slanted face right that we experience they got out of the show which is [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► terrible and not our intention obviously we did a bad job but I still have to say [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► that like I feel like our show can exist in its current form and be better than [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► it is that we can then we can make positive progress towards our goal of [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► inclusiveness and maybe that's not enough progress maybe we can make more [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► progress by changing the show on those ways but I feel like it's like that the [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► show has value and can be better in its current form I don't that like it a lot [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► of the worst again made it sound as if you like maybe feel like that our show [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► just should not exist like that it is an affront to the cause and that the world [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► does not need another three dudes tech podcast and the best thing we could do [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► is just change it in a fundamental way so it's a different show and if we don't [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► do that it shows you really don't care and you were just we don't do anything [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► they will they will return by happy little home in any way and I feel like [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► that is a mischaracterization and we were totally willing to do anything [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► within the bounds of the current show again provided you know granting [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► entirely that it would be make the show more attractive to women if we [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► those things but we want to have our show that the three of us this is our [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► show I feel like I you know it's a valid thing to do to have the show the three [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► of us I don't know I don't know how else do you characterize that without without [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► just sort of reinforcing everything I think it's basically like oh you just [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► want to have your show and that's that I do have the show with the three of us [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► and I do I feel like that show can be better and I feel like some positive [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► progress and make me feel better is if it's positive right is it as positive as [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► it could be if we you know and i dont wanna go into these damn that's why [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► should I still getting more defensive by the moment but if you go into the you [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► know I stopped myself here but what do you guys have to think about this topic [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► yeah i of all the feedback we got a lot of it hurt in the sense that it made me [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► very angry because I was disappointed in in the very chauvinistic things that I [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► saw but the stuff that actually hurt to end cut the deepest was when a woman [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► would write in and say like you said John basically if you don't [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► fundamentally change the show is then you're just a bunch of liars and well [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► just like you said John that absolutely would be the number one best way to put [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► our money where our mouth is that is I don't think it's unreasonable for us to [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► take that off the table and I even though the show isn't so many ways about [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► binary the show itself is not binary and there is a lot of in the middle that we [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► can do to improve ourselves and to improve the way we handle the show and [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► just generally make things more inclusive without changing the three of [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► us in and I should point out that we got a fair bit of women that road in that [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► said I understand why someone would ask you to change the lineup but don't do [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► that because the reason I listen says several women that road in the reason I [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► listen is because of the three of you and because of the chemistry you happen [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► because of the way you beat each other up over white cars and fish and so on [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► and so forth [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► and if you change that lineup it could ruin everything in so if this is the [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► most hurt I've gotten I'm still coming from a place of indescribable privilege [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► and I recognize that but it was it was really really bummed me out because I [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► feel like I wanna work together the three of us and the three of us in in [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► the women that listen and then the men that was then and i just want to work [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► together to make this a more inclusive happy place and it I feel like just like [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► you said John there is somewhere in the middle between doing nothing in [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► completely eviscerating lineup as it is as an existing go even farther because [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► like [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► from my perspective like as I said do you know that women are underrepresented [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► in tech podcasts and the like we should be linked to rock out last week we [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► should have more Lincoln the shouts of other podcast tech podcast that are very [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► similar DDP but have women on the list but the vector podcast Georgia now I'm [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► or the time our podcast with a friend and ally and then rocketed like the fact [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► that I can't name more than a handful these on top ad shows you there's not a [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► lot of them but they are out there and so women looking to hear their women's [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► voices on the topic of TAC you know there are options and I think there [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► should be more of them you know should our show be one of them like our show is [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► our show is that the three of us right but from my perspective i think is very [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► possible that we can do maybe not more good but a tremendous amount of good by [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► talking to are you know making a show more inclusive so it doesn't feel like [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► that if your woman listening to you somehow shouldn't be this is the place [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► for you right so that a lot of things like what can we do to change tons of [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► things like what can we stop doing that is bad what can we do that is that is [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► propelling women right can we talk about a certain number of things he tweaked [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► out of the huge range of things we could talk about by picking different things [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► and talk about you can we change the show and most importantly I feel like [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► even if we are completely unsuccessful in her to get more women and girls [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► listen to the show by talking to the men who listen to the show [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► that is probably realistically speaking our best avenue for positive change [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► because if we could snap my fingers and convince all the men on the show to you [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► know get on board with our way of thinking about this as ours even maybe [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► but just like to move them along the continuum that would be a tremendous [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► benefit and that's one of the pieces feedback i've heard from a lot of people [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► especially people deeply entrenched in this issue is that if you can check it's [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► the men's behavior that needs to change right so you we're all about like it can [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► make the show more inclusive can make sure we're not doing anything to repel [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► women we had to get through to the men to say to you in a nice way we can tell [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► I go you guys are all bad people you shouldn't listen like that is not it [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► that is not did all we want to be able to like bring bring people along with [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► the ideas that we have and even if we're only just talking to men that that is a [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► huge way that we can we can make a positive change in this area you know so [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► I just I feel like the three of us if if we change the show while keeping the [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► format and while keeping the three of us there I still feel like we can do a [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► massive massive gonna be just figure out how to do a better idea that we also got [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► a lot of feedback that that was suggesting what would make the show more [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► appealing to women but like but yeah that's how to people presented it but in [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► reality it's not about like it would make the show it more attractive to [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► anybody of any gender it had nothing to do with women so you know things like [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► just making it easier for new listeners to go into the show so you know not [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► spending the entire show on follow-up not being too much inside jokes like [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► stuff like that nobody said don't text into the other topic nice job you did [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► you think that's a great idea I don't know you know there are things about our [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► show format and that we can definitely improve on things that will make it [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► easier for any new listeners to come in and to end to stick with us and that's [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► like a lot of people from those things as here's why women don't like your show [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► which is complete BS over its at least not the whole story [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► it's like here's why a new listener might not stick around [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► that's the real story and so there are things there that we need to end should [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► improve to get more women listening mostly because that's how we get more [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► people this is like it has nothing to do with women [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► well I mean like like like I said in the past show you can like some of them were [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► you know like they said this but as I said last time we talked about politics [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► who have much broader broader appeal than ever talk about program and a lot [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► of people we've always got complaints we going to the Super programming stuff but [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► bottom line is that's one of the things that we want to talk about 35 [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► programmers on a podcast we're going to talk about programming some people love [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► the programming some people hate it that's not that's more of just a narrow [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► vs broad issue does not specifically gender issue but but a lot of you a lot [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► of people say like I'm not super into programming so whenever you talk about [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► programming I tuned out and we didn't get much feedback the life of the [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► program like there is a ceiling on on our appeal we you know if we did a show [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► about politics it would have way broader appeal and like but that's not the show [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► we're doing so in in in many ways like it's the same type of thing I also you [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► want you want to broaden your gonna get more women to listen will change what [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► you talked about like yes ok change we talked about in what way well I would [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► love it if you didn't talk about programming anymore [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► well you know there are lots of women remember to listen to like we talked [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► about programs like we're doing a program like I would love to talk about [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► Apple may be more people would listen if we didn't talk about what we talked [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► about something with you know with much broader appeal that's that's something [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► we have to deal with like we're always going to say well you know within the [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► confines of all you want to broaden his appeal show but you don't want to change [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► your show we do want to change it within the confines of the topic area right and [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► the three of us and everything and that's like so many people that is [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► basically sort of like you don't really want to change you say you want to [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► change you say you wanted to make the show more includes you say you want to [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► make it more appealing but you don't want to actually change anything about [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► the show and I and I reiterate again I think there are just so many things we [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► could change within this format to do better just a tremendous amount of [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► things we can change that we will hopefully be working on moving forward [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► that can make this show more inclusive [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► and and you know and and change people's hearts and minds who do listen to the [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► show men or women undermine whatever you know and i know i just i just feel I [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► feel somewhat defeated by this entire topic and I think we should probably put [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► a fork in it for today in a couple of quick thoughts first of all if you are [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► listening to this and don't care for it I'm sorry to hear that please do not [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► bother writing in to tell us that you don't care for it because this is going [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► to continue to happen and you can either carry on with the show or not but this [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► is something that's very important to the three of us and it's we're going to [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► keep talking about it and that's just the way it is and it's absolutely on [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► topic this is major is a major problem in the tech industry it is definitely [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► relevant for tech podcast to talk about this issue and the other thing I'm [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► seeing a lot of angst in the chat room right now that we're doing a lot of [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► navel-gazing and talking about the show and talking about oh what could we do [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► what could we do but not doing anything too quick thoughts on that first of all [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► i think is talking about this is doing something I mean would you rather us not [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► to talk about this I don't think that's really a solution and secondly outside [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► of the show in private conversations between the three of us we are [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► absolutely disgusting pretty much anything that we've gotten in email we [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► are discussing and considering pretty much everything even things we probably [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► don't want to do or may not do are on the table in private conversations [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► between the three of us I ask only that you bear with us and give us a chance to [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► get our heads around everything give us a chance to put things together and [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► watch the space I know it's probably not happening as quick as it should [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► it's probably not happening as quick as it could but we are working on it and in [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► we are trying as hard as we can and and and expect us to screw up like a expect [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► us to do badly again you know I mean like it's not don't don't expect [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► miracles right and we will never go as far as some people want to go people [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► will always be disappointed [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► like people will be disappointed that the show exists at all [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► clear from the feedback sometimes right but you know some people like it it's [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► like I just feel like you know the one of the trap that mental and when they [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► get into this topic is like I'm gonna I'm gonna do good here I am going to [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► champion the rights of whatever you know oppressed people that I am getting down [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► this caused by the block and then they get told that what they're doing is [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► wrong and they're like but but I was trying to help [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► well forget you guys now I'm not even gonna help anymore and it's like that's [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► exactly you just have to think we're trying mightily to avoid that like its [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► you have to understand that everyone is not going to agree with you [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► everyone is not going to like you and the closer you get to trying to make [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► some kind of progress the more anger people bTW you didn't go far enough and [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► that is that is a positive force I feel like pushing us in the right direction [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► that the wrong direction trying to get that as as a wind behind this as ever as [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► we become ever more disappointing to the people who are really invested in this [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► cause I'm hoping you were actually moving more towards like we're making [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► positive progress in that direction right now we're not going down that way [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► that we don't get repelled by that to be down there we don't start to resent the [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► idea that boo people said mean things to us who are quote unquote on our side I [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► wanted to be a wind at our back rather than something to tearing us from [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► pursuing us so Plex yeah I'd spoke last week about how the Synology Synology [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► specifically I think I cited the ds2 14 play as having the proper hardware to [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► transcode [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► video and do so quickly which makes it really great fourplex a handful of [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► people very gently pointed out to me that I am full of crap and that he 214 [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► does indeed have the right hardware however Plex does not have access to it [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► because of whatever is going on within the Synology I don't know the technical [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► details but suffice to say I'm full of crap so what I have found her I think a [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► listener listener to actually pointed out to me is a list of all the different [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► network attached storage devices that blacks will run on and it will end it [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► shows exactly what these devices can and cannot transcode in a reasonably [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► performance way so we will put that in the show notes I apologize if you took [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► any action on my BS recommendation I did not realize that I was dead wrong but [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► hopefully have caught you before you spend any money I do love my psychology [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► I do not have a 214 anymore I have one that is not at all well suited for [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► transcoding in so I do recommends analogies in general but I cannot [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► recommend the 214 that I previously recommended because as it turns out they [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► are a terrible idea for blacks so check out that list and and buy one that [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► actually works to do the things I thought the 214 would have high hopes [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► that hardware transcoding but but I don't use Plaxo what I found was that [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► when the hardware transcoding with useful it was good but if you are [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► downloading more exotic weird formats are you have no idea what the hell [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► formats you are downloading legally of course very often the hardware [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► transcoding can't handle it and there's one thing but software Transcona may be [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► slower but it is it can do a much broader range of things so I find myself [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► wishing that rather than hardware decoding I really had faster faster CPU [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► to do software decoding software transcoding alright what is going on [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► with iPhoto and Time Machine I think this is right after last week's show we [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► got this feedback and direct link to an Apple support article saying whatever [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► happened to the thing that I imagine that time machine integration apparently [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► I did not imagine and although this thing doesn't have screenshots as of [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► iPhoto 11 which was version 9.2 obviously and I was 10 lion 10720 or [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► later [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► that's when I thought I lost the ability to browse backups as they caught a [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► political this means that instead of restoring specific photos within your [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► iPhoto library you must restore your entire iPhoto library so I forget when [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► iPhoto 11 was I'm assuming 2011 but that's when this feature run away and [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► there is no more integration and I assume this is a feature that was never [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► public for like their party out there was something only I photo could do it [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► was written by Apple and it has fallen by the wayside said or maybe it's a good [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► thing on our first bunch of this week is cards against humanity and as usual they [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► have sent John a toaster to review in lieu of a sponsor read here so John what [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► is the toaster the crowd against humanity sent you to review this week [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► this week we've got the Cuisinart Custom Classic toaster oven broiler which I [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► guess is a sensible name in his model number key capitulo capital be hyphen 40 [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► another model number with both in 20 in it boggles my mind and how they keep [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► anything straight this is about the same size as my level 60 lol whatever model [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► numbers that I was forget it is a legit 4 slice toaster oven it's got four [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► unshielded resistive heating elements inside it has a very straightforward you [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► I this is the first poster that I did not ever need to look at the [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► instructions for which is saying something shouldn't be but it is that's [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► really sick three knobs on the day you look at the instructions like figure out [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► this new on some missing operate the any toaster but unlike ok but then what [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► about you know there's some new ones here that I'm probably missing any to [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► look at the menu this one is just had three knobs 14 function like toast broil [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► bake in preheated whatever 14 temperature that goes from you know that [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► normal range of toaster oven temperatures in degrees Fahrenheit and [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► 14 toast shade and associated one you said to like a big range you said it [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► what you want and then there is a start-stop button so if you find the [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► correct setting for your toast every morning you don't have to adjust that [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► you just press the button it does it repeals that's all there is no time at [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► all which I didn't notice until a little later like you know what there's no way [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► for me to set this thing for a 10-15 with no time at all which is a very [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► interesting simplification almost a polite moved like it's very difficult to [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► incorporate all those things together and have all the desirable features of [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► not having to figure out what's the setting is the diet going to something [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► did you like the Breville you have you know here display LCD display or making [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► things complicated there's just no time at all this or if there is I didn't find [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► much because there was read the manual but I'm pretty sure that no timer just a [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► start stop on how does that make it harder to use the other new features [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► obviously with the toaster you don't really need a timer you start the [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► darkness not but it does have but does the lack of a timer make the other in [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► future less useful to you it depends like you should know that it doesn't [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► have a timeline that something you rely on I find that with with any future [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► except for toasting existing toaster oven I don't tend to use the time I just [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► kinda like put it in if anything it kind of annoys me at the time was to locate [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► reading something and then the time was like six minutes and I'll actually I [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► want to just I just turn the nominees to just 30 60 minutes I'm never gonna take [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► it out when I feel like it's done I'm not gonna forget about it right but if [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► you wanna time rather than up to interview the knob themselves really [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► good at Nob Hill actually it's fairly average not feel compared to the knob [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► feel on these other posters it is phenomenal right and about if you don't [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► know what the Nob Hill YouTube channel conditions should check it out it's just [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► that's the thing that really you never heard of the novel YouTube account are [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► you honestly surprised that we have never heard of that yes because it's [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► like a meanness I it's not like an obscure you know it's supposed to be [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► funny like the guy who just filmed himself killing with knobs and I think [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► he made it terrible mistake at the beginning like the format is he found [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► his hand filling with knobs and then he doesn't see any word he makes noises [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► like runs like [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► like that's that's it and he has been really confined himself by not having [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► words like this [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► tons of these videos only incorporated words it would be a much richer [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► experience anyway [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► mood and I feel expensive and like the best comparison is my Breville toaster [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► like the worst feeling I've ever felt on a plant in my life I understand why [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► that's all I do because they're made of plastic and their friends that you know [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► but like why wasn't this done more money anyway great number one problem with [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► these knobs though you can't tell where the knobs are pointing because like that [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► they're not something I'm at black plastic around them with riches and one [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► reaches ever so slightly taller than all the other ridges and you can tell by [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► feel where that ridge's by looking at it forget it like and there's no markings [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► on the front of the knob like little red triangle or something so figuring out [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► where the knobs are pointing like what what function is this set to what [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► temperatures is set to you basically have to feel on the thing especially if [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► you're toasters and slightly darker undercounter type area they really great [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► now feel not great and it's got a tray and it's kind of like you shaped like [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► dip down which seems weird to me but then I realize what they want to do and [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► actually confirm this by looking at the little pictures inside of the boxes you [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► can this two different sets of slots you can slide the train to but then with any [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► slight you can flip the trail over to do plus or minus like an inch because of [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► the dip in the thing it's hard to explain what about a picture in the show [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► but anyway [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► essentially four different positions you can put the thing in just 22 slot then [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► each slide you can put into different positions that seems like an interesting [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► idea to give more flexibility of different positions but overall I think [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► it's worth it because like things get caught on the little U-shaped thing you [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► try to slide you to tell us that if you have four slices in there so clever idea [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► but in the end I would say that this does everything that tries to pull the [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► trailer and open and close the door but because you can reposition the trade [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► they can't make a single mechanism to do that they have to put kind of like metal [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► hook that catches the the trade in both positions of things really high really [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► low catch a different areas like it's a difficult problem that's all they [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► understand if you want to make a movie portray how do you connect something to [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► it so comes out [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► but again like technically kinda works but if you ever have to you move the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► train manually when you close the door again the little hooks to re-engage in [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► the tray up while we're talking about a minute slower than my toaster toaster [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► piece of bread but it all the way as it is very comfortable to my toaster just a [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► bit and then click here but that are not feel so that was kinda long I'm sorry [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► but this is actually a very interesting better not feel but worse overall knobs [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► because of the difficulty in detecting yes yes [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► whereas worse overall not right he totally because you can't tell where the [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► pointing to determine so in summary this is better or worse than the trouble was [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► worse than the Breville has like digital timers and like it you know it's just [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► way better today [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► adjustments for a number of slices and and auto adjust the time based on the [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► temperature inside the Breville the better toast their functionally this [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► just has an interesting aspect and it is very similar to the Breville in terms of [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► size and even appearance [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► do you think this is a good value for 80 bucks it sounds like you're saying yes [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► yeah I mean it's a little slow like a minute slower to toast that's that's in [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► the borderline of like a light i feel like im still probably take the Black [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► and Decker 39 over this because that's my big hang out with my personal thing I [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► feel I don't wanna wait that long for toast to the four men arranged for [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► people to know you know I would still probably take the smaller more [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► conventional also three now by the way [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► Black and Decker over this thing it's just kind of a dead ringer for the [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► Breville but like I can see where that extra you know whatever dollars went [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► remind thank you very much too cards against humanity for sponsoring our show [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► once again alright we got some pretty good feedback from kitty Johnny Mathis [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► yeah this is on the topic of watches replacing phones I think we have another [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► piece of feedback about this as well [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► heard there was one of the features that the phone has the phone as the watch has [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► the don't necessarily seem to be watch related specifically all the little you [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► know things about [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► out sending pictures to be born in the 3d emoji and all the different fitness [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► app typings obviously need to have an accelerometer and their whatever but the [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► phone has an accelerometer the phone has a screen phone has all these things why [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► are they on the watch now and that aspect this is true of a lot of Apple [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► products whatever the new glory product is seems to get a lot of the cool [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► features forest in a trickle down this happened along time with like hey I was [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► got some cool features that eventually came to the Mac in the reverse direction [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► of your guns there I don't know if those things lever come to the phone right now [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► there's nothing stopping you from being alone including all the fitness tracking [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► stuff because he owns got an accelerometer and everything to you [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► can't do that obviously the blood pressure pulse stuff but everything else [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► could happen on the phone it will be a shame if all the advanced features [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► happens on the watch instead of the phone but I was trying to understand it [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► and then the second one is like things like watch faces with the complications [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► on them everything [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► the IRS home screen as a bazillion people like that many many times [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► including many Android fans the iOS home screen could be a lot cooler if it [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► supported essentially complications otherwise known as widgets are you know [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► any kind of customization so you can make your lock screen or your homescreen [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► more customizable and you can call has been moving slightly in that direction [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► let you know the Notification Center and the ability to adjust their and stuff [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► but in the end the home screens you know springboard to soldiers have been great [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► of icons with some clumsy faltering thrown in and I i think i would you know [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► if I get up complications [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► you know in scarecrows on the screen I think that would be a plus but we'll see [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► if that ever comes back to the Mac back to the iPhone this case and part of the [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► reason why I think we don't have you know we have complications in the [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► watches we don't complications on your lockscreen your phone I think part of [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► the reason why is just another show you know it first of all you do have the [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► today view which is which I personally don't use they don't use debut and I [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► would definitely use lockscreen complications long before I used a few [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► stuff but keep in mind so not only do they have like an existing thing that [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► kind of does that [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► because I always been around for so long and is so powerful within the company [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► even though it is not like the glory products you know that the watches right [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► now there's there's inertia with like managerial decisions they're so [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► somewhere in Apple probably pretty high up there some manager VP holding tight [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► to the idea that there should not be widget on an iPhone home screen as far [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► as you know I mean maybe I will change this who knows but I doubt it so [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► somewhere there somebody who decided that a long time ago and is sticking [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► with that decision is not letting a change it and like any anything that's [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► been around for a while gonna have used many people like there's been a lot of [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► discussion this week about the Mac App Store because there is there is an app [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► called review redacted redacted [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► that hit number one and made very little money being number one and even though [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► it's not quite number one it's not quite anyway doesn't matter a lot of [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► discussion about the Mac App Store and how much sucks personally I think the [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► Mac App Store situation can be blamed on one major thing that's a boxing you know [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► the ABS a preview 30% cut black upgrade pressing all those things hurt but none [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► of them hurt as much as sandboxing today in my opinion I think sandboxing on the [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► Mac has been a massive loss of a massive net loss overall and that and it has [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► cost the Mac App Store a lot of a lot of good apps and a lot of developers will [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► but somewhere and Apple there's clearly somebody who has power who is keeping [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► sandboxing there and keeping sandboxing a requirement to be in the Mac App Store [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► and so even though it looks like it might not be the best idea for the [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► product just the fact is when you have a big company you have people you have [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► power you have power struggle sometimes you have debates internally there's this [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► other factors that keep things the way they are even if it's not ideal so in [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► this case the watch comes up in the water is kind of a clean slate I mean [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► you know it seems to run some some variant of iOS but it is basically a [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► clean slate in like the things that offer the things it doesn't the UI it [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► offers where things are allowed where things aren't allowed and so it was able [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► to do things that [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► we might not see for a while and iOS sidetrack on this thing but in the [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► sandbox think the guy who thinks that I think I mostly agree with that [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► like I think sandboxing is a positive direction for the back to go but the [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► execution of that of the implementation of that policy [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► left a lot to be desired having to become mandatory before his full [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► featured right [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► having having their be so few ways for apps 22 you know like to do things [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► outside of San boxing on a case-by-case basis with exceptions like just ideal [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► gifts and even if sandbox and get sprung into existence in its current state [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► immediately like nothing you can do that because you know you need to be [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► developed to some degree but like the capabilities that were possible in [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► sandbox and early on but just so limited and so broken so weird in so buggy to [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► mandate people going to that was just that was getting off on the wrong foot I [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► think you do have to bring them back towards a sandbox intake environment but [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► the way to get there is like not the way they've done it so I feel like that as [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► more of a and execution fumble than a theoretical and I do think there will [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► always be things that are outside the sandbox and should be allowed to be on [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► the Mac App Store with caveat but some kind of warning blah blah blah but like [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► moving in a direction is good maybe it's similar with all the other decisions [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► that like you may agree with the end state to go but you don't agree that the [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► way that plans to get there is going to be successful or has been beneficial [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► basically how I feel like sandboxing in theory is a huge security improvement [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► and and I i would like to be in the place where everything is sandbox [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► properly but I agree that the way it's been done has been pretty miserable and [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► and the result the reality is you have this system that is you know opt-in by a [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► very small number of apps it's not preventing Mac malware it's not [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► preventing major abstract is going around the App Store insan themselves [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► elsewhere there's still tons of [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► other software that is made and run every day that's not sandbox including a [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► lot of Apple's software because they're not sandbox or sandbox technically but [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► is given like these blanket permission to do anything at once not really send [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► so they're like in theory it's a great idea if everything was system can be [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► properly sandboxed in practice how to get there and what they've done so far [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► has been miserable the best thing for sandboxing like the best used to [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► sandboxing and Apple is doing this as well as for Apple to stand by that stuff [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► and it has been its been sandboxing tons of its daemon processes parts of the OS [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► like sandbagging has to exist [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► Apple should be the primary user of it they should be applying it pretty [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► strictly to all parts of the OS they possibly can to have the police [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► privileges at least access to and during that process [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► apply it to their GUI applying it to you know they should be dog from this like [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► crazy they should be reined it out for everything and then offering it to [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► developers as this is a way for you to write your apt in a way that you don't [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► have to worry about somebody hosing the entire person's computer like so it is a [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► benefit not as like you have to do this because we say so and if your app [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► doesn't work because of it oh well you get an exception at that time attacking [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► time bomb that's gonna run out in about a year so stop selling crap or make a [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► new act like it was just it was just done so badly and I feel like the [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► technology had to be developed Apple should be using it all app developers [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► can use it should be using it but it should not be that should have been [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► awarding the Mac App Store in the way that is pushing out good apps entirely [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► out of the store making people discouraged tonight even want develop a [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► Mac out because I know [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► to the matter my idea anymore anyway so I don't even bother just been not great [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► yeah it seems to me that a lot of times Apple is do as I say not as I do and I [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► think sandboxing is a great example of that and it's unfortunate because I [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► think a lot of the pain that developers feel Apple either fields and says I will [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► just not deal with that you know all this and boxing you I we can't do we [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► want sandbox and most group [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► we don't need to bother or you know there are some kinds like with with [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► cloud kit where it's embraced its cloud Kingdom think you're right that that [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► photos runs on you ok so the club kid gets embraced in from everything I've [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► heard loud kids actually really solid because Apple dog food it's so it's [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► unfortunate to me that that more of that doesn't happen or maybe if it is [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► happening but nobody knows it because we're left to assume it's not happening [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► and blame that as one of the big issues with say sandboxing but but maybe it is [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► happening we're just not aware of it and I mean to me like that the Mac App Store [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► as a whole to me and i dont have never had an appt for sale the Mac App Store [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► so I haven't seen that side of it but just from reading with our friends say [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► who do who are in it and some from using it as a user it just it seems like the [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► Mac App Store is like Apple at its worst like all of Apple's I like the worst [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► things they do they do most of those things in the Mac App Store and also [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► there's very little up site so lucky [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► the iOS App Store you have to put up with 30% you have to put up with all [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► these rules and restrictions you have to do a preview but the upside is you get [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► access to this massive massive customer base that is just incredibly high in [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► volume and there's tons of money floating around and it's fairly easy you [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► know it's possible for me for many people to make a good living there [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► the Mac App Store has all the same downside of the iOS App Store plus it [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► has a way smaller installed base than that I O S even among people who use [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► Macs a smaller percentage of them use the Mac App Store also the Mac App Store [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► app is I think one of the worst at the ships with OS 10 I mean it's just a [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► terrible at its buggy it is confusing to navigate even when it works properly it [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► is visually really wacky and inconsistent and dated looking i mean [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► they're so it's a terrible at the mental model of those opposed my mind [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► how many people know that if you click the Update button and immediately quit [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► the app to the Upstate still continues in the background Michael who would who [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► would guess that based on the model of any app they've ever use like this [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► because it's so integrated into the system of the software update deal where [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► the hell is running in the background like the fact that it could be [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► downloading updates like it just totally breaks the model of an app that most [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► people are you still on the max supercomputers yeah I mean so so the Mac [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► App Store like it has all the downsides of the iOS App Store plus a number of [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► additional downsides and very little of the same upside and so it's no wonder [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► that know that a No in it and there's no activity their biggest downside is sadly [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► that said before everybody involved that they're all alternatives to it like for [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► all the things that developers had about the iOS App Store about 30% about not [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► having your own customers about cutting be able to respond to reviews like just [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► all those terrible things on the Mac people like herself right we are already [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► big company where do you know how to sell things we turn to sell the Mac App [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► Store we have the alternative right and so that means that they get all the [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► benefits of you know be able to talk directly to customers balance updates [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► like all that stuff but they also get all the downside that Apple is trying to [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► help them to avoid like essentially if there had been only one place where you [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► get software for your Mac and I'm not recommending this because I am an old [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► man who likes things the old way but anyway that had been the case the Mac [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► App Store ironically would actually be much better because people will be [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► forced to get into it that will probably force Apple to deal with some of its [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► rules you know like that hasn't happened in iOS it has no place like anything [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► about the Ono interpreters ok well I guess games gonna have interpreters [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► because they are you skipping like that's a that's a perfect example of [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► let's make a bunch of really strict rules and then that's how unforeseen [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► consequences in da says you gotta let us run Lua scripts that's how our home [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► games work he is big enough for them to go all right all right you can run [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► interpreter unless your game running a blog about line like every other place [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► where something has been restricted in the iOS App Store if a big enough for [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► enough important companies you know if it's [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► at stopping them from selling in there or if they if they can't get their [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► applications and they just think about the Mac App Store be like if that was [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► the only way dobie could get Photoshop onto the Mac it would have to be very [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► different sandboxing cannot existence was gonna say we're not interested in [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► Photoshop for the Mac anymore sorry you know something will have to give this is [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► all just a fantasy hypothetical scenario not something I recommend you can never [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► actually happened for the Mac being with it is a general-purpose computer is not [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► a closed system like I was blah blah blah understand all of this I'm just [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► saying like due to that reality the Mac App Store is even worse even further [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► handicapped by by the existence of a better readily available alternative the [TS]

00:57:43 ◼   ► Mac developers already experienced with your last piece of follow-up is from [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► Sarah and she had some very interesting points with regard to the watch which [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► John you alluded to earlier you wanna tell us about these yeah this is about [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► my market talking about the again the watch replacing the phone and I said [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► that I hadn't heard anyone say that again markets a dozen people looking to [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► have a lot to say no that's the thing that scary place the phone now right [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► which is really just sort of excitement about anything and not a particular plan [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► to do so here is an actual plan to do so she says as soon as the watch has a [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► cellular radio I'll be ditching my phone and going with a watch + iPad set up and [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► the reasons for this are things that hadn't occurred to me because i dont [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► have these problems and the problems are women's clothing don't have as many [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► pockets so you don't always have a place to your phone and the alternative of [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► putting in a bag is a pain she refers to the email to the tyranny of the handbag [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► is it real thing [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► describes a phenomenon that I admit I also have not seen the ever been to a [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► nightclub you'll see in women dancing awkwardly unable to move properly [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► because they can put their baghdad anywhere [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► our group of women dancing in a circle with their bags on the floor in the [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► center so they can keep them safe for the women can still dance this is not a [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► good situation and not something that comes up with the idea is if you can [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► have a watch on your wrist you not to worry about a pocket to find to put the [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► things you don't worry about that putting something valuable in your [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► personal find someplace safe to put your purse [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► seen a lot of water views and a lot of it is about like the freedom of your [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► phone in your pocket I think there is a potential freedom in not only not run [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► into your pocket but maybe not having to have your phone to perform some limited [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► set of tasks like if you just want to sort of be in touch by phone and be able [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► to send and receive text messages and some rudimentary way he may be the [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► freedom that affords is worth the massive drop in in functionality to you [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► would be sacrificing by not having a phone but only having a lot so there [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► there's one vote four person is willing to do that as soon as the watch becomes [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► a little bit more independent [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► that's a very good point that you know we didn't think of because we didn't ask [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► and this is what we want two things are trying to improve even you if you want a [TS]

00:59:59 ◼   ► dog walk right if you go on a dog walk with Bluetooth headphones and meat [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► products now it just promoting stuff onto the watch our adorable I wouldn't [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► it be nice you said like I don't don't think my why don't you take my keys but [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► I do is take my phone would you feel like you could get into a place where [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► you gonna go out for dog and just like not have just had to watch on and that's [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► it [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► like if you what would what would they need to add to your watch for you to do [TS]

01:00:22 ◼   ► that and not have to feel like it didn't give me well it would need to be able to [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► run overcast that's number one like independently of the phones are not [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► worth watching [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► natural native overcast Apple would have my stuff on it saying everything's [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► that's you know that's that's what I would need to do that the reality is I [TS]

01:00:36 ◼   ► wouldn't face is probably personally pocket for your phone but I'm saying [TS]

01:00:40 ◼   ► like what if you didn't if you didn't have to take it like oh well as be [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► overcast like is not an app to your costly interacting with like you're [TS]

01:00:47 ◼   ► listening right you know it's the ideal case of like oh that's all you need your [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► podcast if you just need a native overcast and you're watching your [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► watches you know I still radio whatever like if you got all that it's not your [TS]

01:00:58 ◼   ► fingers and have it would you find yourself like you be taken from that had [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► been eventually be like a maybe use it if you want to send a long text somebody [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► on a dictator and arrest I don't have watched I can make all this yeah I don't [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► know I mean if I I see why a lot of other people would want this [TS]

01:01:16 ◼   ► runners joggers like the it they would they could do the kids like the chances [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► of a phone flying idea pocket if you try to keep it in jogging shorts is way [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► higher [TS]

01:01:25 ◼   ► then if you keep it in like the jeans and terrible cargo shorts that I wear [TS]

01:01:29 ◼   ► when I walk my dog they don't even need some new GPS yeah and and a lot of a lot [TS]

01:01:34 ◼   ► of the exercise trackers have GPS for that reason yet but we'll see about that [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► at that and that's why I like I can see the Apple watch adding GPS before I see [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► it adding a cell radio necessarily as lower power at my wife has a big Garmin [TS]

01:01:51 ◼   ► you know a Garmin like basically wrist watches the ugliest thing I've ever seen [TS]

01:01:54 ◼   ► a big Garmin GPS she has an iPhone 5s right but she doesn't like to run with [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► the phone with its big right so she put the government and why is she just to [TS]

01:02:03 ◼   ► have a step tracking like she wants to know exactly how far she ran and maybe [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► the route you took and tracking is not as accurate as UPS for measuring the [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► things she wears the big bulky government thing so she didn't want to [TS]

01:02:15 ◼   ► watch but maybe if that is if the Apple watch had GPS I think she could be [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► compelled to buy one of you become more interested and I'll tell you I mean I [TS]

01:02:24 ◼   ► don't know I don't think Apple what does can do distance accurately without the [TS]

01:02:29 ◼   ► phone present his I don't know how it would well the documentation that I've [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► read although I haven't tried this is that if you keep the phone with you [TS]

01:02:37 ◼   ► it'll obviously use the phone's GPS to kind of cross referencing corroborate [TS]

01:02:42 ◼   ► what it thinks but it knows how tall you are in knows how many steps you're [TS]

01:02:45 ◼   ► taking and so it makes the best guesstimate based on what it thinks your [TS]

01:02:49 ◼   ► stride is and how many steps he's taken to guess how far you've run and I think [TS]

01:02:56 ◼   ► that it will kind of train itself based on the times are you actually have your [TS]

01:03:01 ◼   ► phone with you and do the same things [TS]

01:03:03 ◼   ► yeah I think that's our end tweet something like showing she brought a GPS [TS]

01:03:07 ◼   ► with air and also the also the Apple watch after she calibrated and show they [TS]

01:03:11 ◼   ► were only off by like you know fraction of a mile or something to try to show [TS]

01:03:14 ◼   ► that you would think that step tracking could always but always be off by some [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► but actually it can get pretty close but you know it not just distance people [TS]

01:03:22 ◼   ► want GPS as they wanted a route they want to see a map I ran through the park [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► I did this year I was going slow here is where I was going fast if that's what [TS]

01:03:29 ◼   ► you want so you need you need to know [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► two-dimensional position and forever throughout the 2012 National positioning [TS]

01:03:36 ◼   ► and and distant tracking when I have the phone with me on my [TS]

01:03:38 ◼   ► dog walks is great like I verified this site called gmap pedometer that lets you [TS]

01:03:45 ◼   ► just like it's an elite and Google Maps and you can click out the route you took [TS]

01:03:50 ◼   ► it and tell you how long that was I love tracking this now so I have never been [TS]

01:03:55 ◼   ► into activity before I've never tracked anything about my activity I've never [TS]

01:03:59 ◼   ► cared about fitness have never regularly done any fitness except I do walk my dog [TS]

01:04:04 ◼   ► most days and we have a very hilly town and I and we walk between three quarters [TS]

01:04:10 ◼   ► of a mile and a half miles depending on whether the ability and everything so [TS]

01:04:15 ◼   ► I've now actually been really enjoying tracking that and seeing oh I have I've [TS]

01:04:20 ◼   ► only gone and 1.2 miles maybe I should take this turn here in this block and [TS]

01:04:25 ◼   ► added and I keep finding myself like adding to the route just to to help you [TS]

01:04:31 ◼   ► know finish up my circles in the watch or to to beat yesterday's record of [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► never it's really you know this unification stuff of fitness I know that [TS]

01:04:40 ◼   ► it might not work for every day this stuff tends to work for a week and then [TS]

01:04:43 ◼   ► you give up on it you don't have the antibodies that's that's what happened [TS]

01:04:47 ◼   ► here you've been infected by the information you need to it from having [TS]

01:04:52 ◼   ► had 17 different debates go through the washer whatever else so this is your [TS]

01:04:56 ◼   ► first your first experience with this and it does have a it does have the [TS]

01:05:00 ◼   ► Hawks looks like this you know I'm under no impression that this will last [TS]

01:05:04 ◼   ► forever I hope it does but I know myself and how easy I am and how much I hate [TS]

01:05:09 ◼   ► fitness so this will probably wear off the right now just wanted to finish [TS]

01:05:14 ◼   ► those circles has gotten me to move more and to to complete my goals everyday [TS]

01:05:20 ◼   ► like it is like I i have on my watch face I have only a couple complications [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► and one of them is the activity rings and so I [TS]

01:05:30 ◼   ► whenever I look at the watch I'm seeing so it's not like this thing I have to [TS]

01:05:34 ◼   ► remember to check like a Fitbit or a pin or even like a pedometer affidavits [TS]

01:05:38 ◼   ► pedometer up I have remember to check those this I don't even have to remember [TS]

01:05:42 ◼   ► to check its its annoying me on the watch face every day until it's complete [TS]

01:05:47 ◼   ► and so that like it actually does work I [TS]

01:05:52 ◼   ► before the watch came out I was concerned about the big sensor bulge in [TS]

01:05:56 ◼   ► the bottom of it for the fitness centers and I and I made a couple are marked as [TS]

01:05:58 ◼   ► friends saying like you know if they made a version that didn't have that [TS]

01:06:02 ◼   ► sensor bulge and lacked all the fitness features I'd rather have that version [TS]

01:06:06 ◼   ► because it would be thinner it might be more comfortable and having that bulge [TS]

01:06:09 ◼   ► there might be lighter blah blah blah yeah turns out I use those features I [TS]

01:06:14 ◼   ► love those features so I'm really glad there is no option not to have them [TS]

01:06:19 ◼   ► because they would have picked that option and I would have missed all this [TS]

01:06:21 ◼   ► and missed out on the health benefits and stuff there are so so yeah I'm I'm [TS]

01:06:25 ◼   ► very happy with this real-time follow up on my wife on an Apple ID she emphasizes [TS]

01:06:30 ◼   ► that the main reason why she doesn't want the watch is because you can wear [TS]

01:06:33 ◼   ► it work for security reasons I should have thought of that why it does have a [TS]

01:06:39 ◼   ► camera anything at the microphone thanks again everything with Bluetooth or [TS]

01:06:43 ◼   ► something that's so peculiar that lots of shows lots of security but anyway [TS]

01:06:48 ◼   ► yeah otherwise I assume she would get it just to try it out to see what it's like [TS]

01:06:53 ◼   ► yeah I would I'd like to echo everything I Marko said and we're gonna buy gas [TS]

01:06:59 ◼   ► rather than talk about a minute we'll just talk about it right now I did get [TS]

01:07:02 ◼   ► an apple watch I ended up i think i dirty talk about how he had ordered one [TS]

01:07:07 ◼   ► on launch day at about 7:10 after seven in the morning eastern time what ended [TS]

01:07:12 ◼   ► up happening was always loved this show that I'm sure was nice enough to offer [TS]

01:07:16 ◼   ► me a spare watch that he had had he became upon the spare watch because he [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► had ordered to the one that I always wanted which is the 42 millimeters space [TS]

01:07:24 ◼   ► black sports space great sport he ordered one of those and then ordered a [TS]

01:07:29 ◼   ► different want to believe it was the forty two millimeter white sport and [TS]

01:07:33 ◼   ► decided that he actually liked the white sport or whatever it was I'm pretty sure [TS]

01:07:38 ◼   ► that's right though and he was kind enough to offer to sell me the extra 42 [TS]

01:07:43 ◼   ► million no need space grey sport that he had and so that's what I did it was [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► extremely gracious of him he didn't need to do that he could have absolutely [TS]

01:07:53 ◼   ► raked over the coals in terms of cost so I am forever indebted to meet on but [TS]

01:07:58 ◼   ► anyways I got my Apple watch and I really like it [TS]

01:08:02 ◼   ► and hopefully by the time this airs I will put up my review of the Apple watch [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► on my blog and so hopefully you will see a link in the show notes if you don't [TS]

01:08:10 ◼   ► then yell at me to publish it but either way I completely agree with everything [TS]

01:08:14 ◼   ► you said that having the Rings as a complication which I do and seeing the [TS]

01:08:20 ◼   ► knowledge to stand up in seeing God I really need to just go for like a 10 [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► minute power walk around the neighborhood that absolutely has gotten [TS]

01:08:28 ◼   ► me moving more than I did before and yes maybe in a month or even in a week that [TS]

01:08:33 ◼   ► all go away and I'll just find this to be silly but today I love it and it's [TS]

01:08:39 ◼   ► absolutely causing me to move more our second bunch of this week is igloo igloo [TS]

01:08:45 ◼   ► isn't internet you will actually like with a glue you can share news organize [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► your files coordinate counters and manage projects all in one place it's [TS]

01:08:54 ◼   ► like taking the best of the web and productivity apps counters where like [TS]

01:08:58 ◼   ► microblogs file-sharing task management wikis and more all available privately [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► and securely for your company or group [TS]

01:09:06 ◼   ► internets are highly functional stylish easy to use with widget based [TS]

01:09:10 ◼   ► drag-n-drop interfaces they also have a have an upgrade this past fall and [TS]

01:09:15 ◼   ► spring called Viking which evolves around documents and how you interact [TS]

01:09:19 ◼   ► with them gather feedback and make changes they've even had the ability to [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► track who has read critical information on your internet to keep everyone on the [TS]

01:09:27 ◼   ► same page and Allegri receipts an email though it's annoying to help you track [TS]

01:09:31 ◼   ► whether employees have read it and acknowledged policies sign off on legal [TS]

01:09:35 ◼   ► agreements or confirm completion of training materials very important for [TS]

01:09:39 ◼   ► businesses to be able to have confirmation of those things and all [TS]

01:09:43 ◼   ► they do is built on a very advanced html5 platform it's fully responsive and [TS]

01:09:49 ◼   ► offers all the all these features all the features the the document tracking [TS]

01:09:53 ◼   ► annotations document viewing all sorts of stuff track things with it offers all [TS]

01:09:58 ◼   ► of this in html5 so you can do although their mobile devices it's really quite [TS]

01:10:03 ◼   ► impressive you can preview and edit documents and attractions all this stuff [TS]

01:10:07 ◼   ► no matter what device you're on full functionality whether it's computer [TS]

01:10:10 ◼   ► iPhone Android phone or even a blackberry they make it work on all [TS]

01:10:14 ◼   ► these devices [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► html5 and also because it's responsive it looks good and all those devices and [TS]

01:10:20 ◼   ► the new devices come out new screen sizes come out already works on them so [TS]

01:10:25 ◼   ► if your company has a legacy internet look it was built in the nineties you [TS]

01:10:28 ◼   ► should definitely give it a try [TS]

01:10:30 ◼   ► they are even completely free to use for as long as you want for groups of 10 or [TS]

01:10:35 ◼   ► fewer people so really if you have a small company or group for 10 if your [TS]

01:10:39 ◼   ► people in it you gotta give it a try but it's free what you have nothing to lose [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► if not you can go check it out and you should still give a try because it is [TS]

01:10:47 ◼   ► really very reasonably priced after that and really you can get and you get a [TS]

01:10:51 ◼   ► free trial of course so there's so much about a clue to like it is really for [TS]

01:10:55 ◼   ► businesses that needed internet which is most businesses you gotta check it out [TS]

01:10:59 ◼   ► it's so much better than everything else out there that does this so sign up for [TS]

01:11:02 ◼   ► a free trial today at igloo software dot com slash ATP igloo the internet you [TS]

01:11:08 ◼   ► will actually like thank you very much to a clue igloo software dot com slash [TS]

01:11:12 ◼   ► ATP yes please resist the urge to write your own Internet plays for everyone [TS]

01:11:17 ◼   ► involved and never works out [TS]

01:11:19 ◼   ► amen to that alright so Facebook came out with instant articles the gist of it [TS]

01:11:26 ◼   ► is that Facebook has now launched this platform system whatever you want to [TS]

01:11:32 ◼   ► call it for publishers like the new york times and BuzzFeed in TechCrunch like [TS]

01:11:36 ◼   ► four major publishers and I think it works by page but we'll see anyway [TS]

01:11:41 ◼   ► they've launched thing for publishers can now have articles that pop up and [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► can be read completely within the Facebook apps and the Facebook site at [TS]

01:11:52 ◼   ► least the apps after what matters most in demand for mobile stuff and and so [TS]

01:11:56 ◼   ► any idea here is interesting so you know there's so publishers so that the idea [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► is they don't want you going to the publishers websites to read them are [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► popping up a a WebView in the app on the New York Times dot com whatever they [TS]

01:12:12 ◼   ► want the article to display directly within the Facebook app natively in the [TS]

01:12:16 ◼   ► interface have have all the images and stuff loaded up there and and be able to [TS]

01:12:20 ◼   ► do dynamic cool animated stuff and everything else i I have a pretty [TS]

01:12:26 ◼   ► cynical view of this but i i think it's inevitable John Germany think so [TS]

01:12:31 ◼   ► the first part of those interested in with the instant part because just [TS]

01:12:34 ◼   ► technologically like you know this is a native app looks like it's by the simple [TS]

01:12:39 ◼   ► to the paper app I saw tweeted by Mike Matusow find out about us assume he's [TS]

01:12:43 ◼   ► involved it's very slick looking at the pitch to the user is your gonna launched [TS]

01:12:51 ◼   ► Facebook anyway you're going to school three years here you know your Facebook [TS]

01:12:54 ◼   ► feed right that's something you're going to do anyway when you see something [TS]

01:12:58 ◼   ► interesting in your Facebook feed [TS]

01:12:59 ◼   ► like someone posted I can article I go I saw this girl can you might wanna check [TS]

01:13:03 ◼   ► it out to Reston commentary when you tap on that whether it's like a movie [TS]

01:13:07 ◼   ► reviewer you know some things for you to be outraged about and then yelled out on [TS]

01:13:11 ◼   ► Facebook revered as they want you to be able to tap on that thing and not have [TS]

01:13:15 ◼   ► to wait for a web page they want you to tap and immediately be reading your [TS]

01:13:19 ◼   ► article right and of course all the demos thereof [TS]

01:13:21 ◼   ► from national geographic or something with a beautiful picture and or whatever [TS]

01:13:25 ◼   ► but as i think i emphasize like unlike marcos traditional criticism of paper [TS]

01:13:31 ◼   ► which is that the app looks great of all your friends are beautiful people who [TS]

01:13:34 ◼   ► are always on vacation in California adding that to the instant thing is like [TS]

01:13:41 ◼   ► okay well this is not articles to your friends made 20 articles in The New York [TS]

01:13:46 ◼   ► Times or you know poster whatever like these are professionally produced things [TS]

01:13:51 ◼   ► you know and the chances of them looking nice and enticing your timeline is [TS]

01:13:55 ◼   ► really high but they want to make it so that when you're going through a [TS]

01:13:58 ◼   ► timeline that you can consume knows as easily as you can read a comment for [TS]

01:14:02 ◼   ► somebody is going to tap on it and it instantly there and that is a if that [TS]

01:14:07 ◼   ► works as advertised [TS]

01:14:08 ◼   ► that's a great and user benefit because people do scroll through timelines and [TS]

01:14:13 ◼   ► people do want occasionally things and I know that I often feel I would like to [TS]

01:14:18 ◼   ► read that but I don't wanna wait for them to lower it sounds stupid it's like [TS]

01:14:20 ◼   ► you can't wait 2 seconds or something you like you're on wifi your iPhone 6 [TS]

01:14:24 ◼   ► not going to take any age too low but sometimes just like just the idea of the [TS]

01:14:27 ◼   ► screen blanking going through a spinner and having hit the back [TS]

01:14:30 ◼   ► blah blah just waiting for that number all spoiled but I wouldn't use the [TS]

01:14:36 ◼   ► analogy of like the studies that I think Google Yahoo did it ever like what does [TS]

01:14:40 ◼   ► an extra 200 milliseconds response time on a server due to the the purchase [TS]

01:14:44 ◼   ► rates of items in a store and it's like tremendous effects of a tiny speed [TS]

01:14:50 ◼   ► change of speed page loading you would think like shaving 200 milliseconds off [TS]

01:14:57 ◼   ► of the products page make a difference in sales and the answer was like yes a [TS]

01:15:02 ◼   ► tremendous difference like there's a huge cliff after which people just [TS]

01:15:04 ◼   ► aren't interested in lose you know and so that effect i think is real for [TS]

01:15:08 ◼   ► people as they say [TS]

01:15:10 ◼   ► Marco can filter the next my voice and my kids here [TS]

01:15:13 ◼   ► engaging with content as reading at a staff meeting the stuff that's in the [TS]

01:15:18 ◼   ► time like someone post a link to an article are you can actually read that [TS]

01:15:20 ◼   ► are going to go right past it if it loads quote-unquote instantly then you [TS]

01:15:25 ◼   ► won't and the reason I think this is an interesting reframing is because as we [TS]

01:15:28 ◼   ► all know I can't actually like this nothing instant all doing is preloading [TS]

01:15:33 ◼   ► it right that's all you know is just spending a different time doing it [TS]

01:15:37 ◼   ► rather than waiting and you know tons of browsers do is chrome I think was the [TS]

01:15:41 ◼   ► first one to really aggressively do it like prefetching all the pages link for [TS]

01:15:44 ◼   ► a page Google Prefecture as the first search results or chrome that you like [TS]

01:15:48 ◼   ► we're going to load it before you tap it so that by the time you tap it is loaded [TS]

01:15:52 ◼   ► it's also it's also presumably looking less stuff like you know it's probably [TS]

01:15:56 ◼   ► also not loading the million different JavaScript trackers a load some of them [TS]

01:16:01 ◼   ► because that is compatible with publishers tracking system that [TS]

01:16:04 ◼   ► publishers ad systems so it will be loading some of that stuff but I think I [TS]

01:16:08 ◼   ► think I would bet and you know it's not loading giant stylesheet giant [TS]

01:16:12 ◼   ► JavaScript includes for the site theme in the header and everything like you [TS]

01:16:16 ◼   ► don't think I'm I'm betting that it's it's only loading the article + tracking [TS]

01:16:23 ◼   ► stuff and add stuff like not necessarily the tremendous sidebars the all the [TS]

01:16:27 ◼   ► related content if you look at if you look at the typical article page 44 a [TS]

01:16:30 ◼   ► major site there's so much other crap on that page and so many includes for style [TS]

01:16:37 ◼   ► and Java stuff like this so much stuff a lot that's going to be there in the [TS]

01:16:41 ◼   ► Facebook version cuz they're gonna want their tracking [TS]

01:16:43 ◼   ► want their money and Facebook support those things but I bet it's going to be [TS]

01:16:47 ◼   ► a lot less than having like the headers and footers the sidebars all that crap [TS]

01:16:51 ◼   ► that though is loaded I was just thinking they're going to be more pills [TS]

01:16:54 ◼   ► again a richer experience which is code for gonna take it year downloads who's [TS]

01:16:58 ◼   ► gonna have a lot of stuff in it but you know it could it could be better there [TS]

01:17:01 ◼   ► is it's conceivable it'll be lighter weight due to the shared resources among [TS]

01:17:05 ◼   ► all the articles but but basically it's time shifting gets its clever pre [TS]

01:17:10 ◼   ► cashing of things that they that you know we will fetch it for you so that [TS]

01:17:14 ◼   ► when you tap it is there which is a great idea for thing but trying for an [TS]

01:17:18 ◼   ► application benefit but trying to sell that is instant I don't see how that can [TS]

01:17:22 ◼   ► can fulfill its promise because it's got it down the sink some time and if your [TS]

01:17:28 ◼   ► connection is slow and you launch the app and you scroll through it it's not [TS]

01:17:31 ◼   ► get any tap on the first thing you see and if it doesn't have you you know it's [TS]

01:17:35 ◼   ► gonna background downloading like I'm sure they do everything in their power [TS]

01:17:37 ◼   ► and that was a platform to try to get us that download it before you tap on it [TS]

01:17:40 ◼   ► but sometimes you're going to win the race and when you do that it's going to [TS]

01:17:44 ◼   ► be like to be instant because it won't it won't be instant is a reasonable [TS]

01:17:49 ◼   ► selling point that they can but like putting it right in the name may end up [TS]

01:17:53 ◼   ► backfiring so that's that's one thing just the simple technology behind what [TS]

01:17:58 ◼   ► is this thing what do the selling point for use of pepper well I mean do you [TS]

01:18:02 ◼   ► think the name is actually meant to be like this is why Facebook is doing it or [TS]

01:18:08 ◼   ► do you think the name is a red herring to convince people that they should do [TS]

01:18:11 ◼   ► this thing that massively benefits Facebook that's what I'm gas like this [TS]

01:18:15 ◼   ► this is the end user this is the end user story why would you be interested [TS]

01:18:19 ◼   ► in the future hinson articles you want to read them you know have to wait good [TS]

01:18:22 ◼   ► but it is it is the least interesting aspect of this feature from the sort of [TS]

01:18:26 ◼   ► strategic perspective the user's perspective is Facebook saying we want [TS]

01:18:32 ◼   ► to be the the place where people get your content don't send them to your [TS]

01:18:36 ◼   ► website in fact why even bother having website once you do everything through [TS]

01:18:39 ◼   ► us be able to create a network we can do kool ad targeting you could advertise [TS]

01:18:42 ◼   ► 300 percent of the revenue from all the people who go through but it's totally [TS]

01:18:46 ◼   ► great guys come right in [TS]

01:18:47 ◼   ► you know like I hope all the content providers are smart enough to not sort [TS]

01:18:53 ◼   ► of fall into this trap because [TS]

01:18:55 ◼   ► it's giving Facebook if this if this was super successful and it became one of [TS]

01:18:59 ◼   ► those things like well you gotta have a facebook is an article you can't there's [TS]

01:19:02 ◼   ► no way you can get in traffic about doing that that spells bad news for [TS]

01:19:06 ◼   ► everybody several Facebook everybody consumers you know websites everybody [TS]

01:19:11 ◼   ► and so I really hope it doesn't succeed in 16 but like I kinda like and to do it [TS]

01:19:18 ◼   ► doesn't succeed not because it's not a benefit to the end user because I don't [TS]

01:19:22 ◼   ► want Facebook to be the the gateway for most of the things that people read [TS]

01:19:29 ◼   ► because no I don't I mean unfortunately I think that's the reality you know and [TS]

01:19:36 ◼   ► that you know i i think we've been feeling for a while and a lot of people [TS]

01:19:40 ◼   ► I don't think are are ready to to see or admit this yet but the web is really [TS]

01:19:46 ◼   ► dramatically losing relevance not the internet but the web [TS]

01:19:51 ◼   ► the the web is viewed in web browsers that is so dramatically losing relevance [TS]

01:19:56 ◼   ► in in the age of mobile and absent and they have stuff now and social stuff at [TS]

01:20:01 ◼   ► the web is losing its not going to die over the losing I feel like as it goes [TS]

01:20:08 ◼   ► in cycles and I you know I guess it's not gonna die you can't kill it because [TS]

01:20:13 ◼   ► it is available right but it does does going so it's kind of the same things [TS]

01:20:17 ◼   ► people said about giving Apple power by like you shouldn't have a website you [TS]

01:20:20 ◼   ► should just have a nap right and that's the same as I situation you would want [TS]

01:20:24 ◼   ► to get out of that power at all but the way it looks like a check out to me is [TS]

01:20:28 ◼   ► that every website has an appt but it is not made the websites go away and this [TS]

01:20:32 ◼   ► Facebook thing looks much more capable of making the web site's become like the [TS]

01:20:38 ◼   ► new york times out but there's no way the New York Times out is ever going to [TS]

01:20:41 ◼   ► make the New Times website go away as New York Times if there was a New York [TS]

01:20:45 ◼   ► Times instant article thing to Facebook just so much bigger than a pond already [TS]

01:20:48 ◼   ► has already succeeded so far gotten so far getting everybody to consume [TS]

01:20:53 ◼   ► everything through the Facebook feed that terrify like they're closer to [TS]

01:20:57 ◼   ► being able to suck publications in and make their websites irrelevant I mean [TS]

01:21:02 ◼   ► this is like this is way bigger than Google News ever was back in the day [TS]

01:21:06 ◼   ► that was a man that was a big deal and publishers were [TS]

01:21:08 ◼   ► trying to threaten to sue them but then they didn't want to block by them are [TS]

01:21:12 ◼   ► committed to that would be even more even more disastrous this is like that [TS]

01:21:15 ◼   ► times 10 I really do think that web browsing is really in trouble and as a [TS]

01:21:21 ◼   ► result publishers are in trouble I i read article with a terrible title about [TS]

01:21:26 ◼   ► this about a year ago or something I i think is very clear that all of this [TS]

01:21:31 ◼   ► social usage all the time people are spending using apps and using social [TS]

01:21:38 ◼   ► networks on their phones and stuff is some of that is attitude when people are [TS]

01:21:42 ◼   ► just waiting in line at the bank or something where they weren't doing these [TS]

01:21:45 ◼   ► things before but a lot of that is also time that has been taken away from [TS]

01:21:50 ◼   ► browsing the web reading publisher sites reading RSS and stuff like that for the [TS]

01:21:55 ◼   ► geeks like this is actually been all this this social activity is competing [TS]

01:22:03 ◼   ► with that and has taken a lot of it I do I worry a lot about the future of the [TS]

01:22:08 ◼   ► web I really don't think this is a small trend or a temporary thing or something [TS]

01:22:12 ◼   ► that that is guaranteed to just had the pendulum swing back the other way [TS]

01:22:16 ◼   ► eventually I think this is a major shift that people have voted with their time [TS]

01:22:22 ◼   ► and with their activity in with their attention they have voted for [TS]

01:22:26 ◼   ► centralized proprietary ecosystems focused on social and snack a political [TS]

01:22:32 ◼   ► traffic in these social networks Facebook mostly some Twitter stuff like [TS]

01:22:37 ◼   ► that like that people have voted that's what they're going that's what they want [TS]

01:22:41 ◼   ► the internet to be people on the whole don't care about the open web they don't [TS]

01:22:45 ◼   ► care about everyone having their own site of the only control and being able [TS]

01:22:49 ◼   ► to browse things through open standards people don't care a few keeps care even [TS]

01:22:53 ◼   ► we have moved so much of our activity to Twitter and stuff like this this is a [TS]

01:22:58 ◼   ► massive trend that I think it would be unwise to ignore and unfortunately you [TS]

01:23:04 ◼   ► know just like just like when we moved from the previous systems that we had to [TS]

01:23:09 ◼   ► the web [TS]

01:23:11 ◼   ► there was a lot of good that came from that a lot of big numbers that came with [TS]

01:23:15 ◼   ► that letter new abilities that came with that [TS]

01:23:17 ◼   ► but not everything transitioned over not everybody was a winner there and and a [TS]

01:23:23 ◼   ► lot of things just well you know that that that thing that used to work now [TS]

01:23:26 ◼   ► doesn't or that role that used to have now we don't need you anymore that is [TS]

01:23:31 ◼   ► that is happening now with with the move towards apps to move towards social [TS]

01:23:35 ◼   ► stuff and with so much traffic to web publishers now coming from mobile and [TS]

01:23:41 ◼   ► social music not coming from blog links and search engines and people browsing [TS]

01:23:47 ◼   ► and web browsers on the computers like that shift is happening and has happened [TS]

01:23:52 ◼   ► like that we are already very much into that shift characterized it does a [TS]

01:23:57 ◼   ► series of swings but not so much the pendulum one thing does supplant the [TS]

01:24:02 ◼   ► other but like almost in terms of that we're getting into a more balanced [TS]

01:24:06 ◼   ► situation now and the supremacy of the web was actually on balance because what [TS]

01:24:13 ◼   ► the website you do [TS]

01:24:14 ◼   ► originally was read stuff like articles ride and for a long time since that was [TS]

01:24:21 ◼   ► so dominant was like that defined the internet was the web right and what the [TS]

01:24:24 ◼   ► weather to do is read stuff people are spending a lot more of their time [TS]

01:24:28 ◼   ► reading stuff even if you want to RSS that and now we've shifted because [TS]

01:24:37 ◼   ► there's ways to do things other than read stuff you can text people text [TS]

01:24:41 ◼   ► messaging was one of the first steps now I'm writing stuff right you can play [TS]

01:24:45 ◼   ► games you can watch movies you can keep you know use native apps to do things [TS]

01:24:51 ◼   ► that are very different then you're reading a big page of stuff and so I [TS]

01:24:56 ◼   ► feel like this is an adjustment in terms of activity choices like people read the [TS]

01:25:01 ◼   ► web less because they're doing things more what are they doing on the phone [TS]

01:25:04 ◼   ► they're not doing the equivalent to bring the web they're doing something [TS]

01:25:06 ◼   ► different and why couldn't they do it on the web because the web take a long time [TS]

01:25:09 ◼   ► to get that kind of interactivity and everything [TS]

01:25:11 ◼   ► so I think maybe we're more in balance now the reason this instant article [TS]

01:25:16 ◼   ► thing is is scary because it is asking people to do the one thing that the web [TS]

01:25:22 ◼   ► you know is best suited for like you know reading stuff public publishing or [TS]

01:25:27 ◼   ► publishing platform anybody can make a website you can start publishing stuff [TS]

01:25:30 ◼   ► at the entire world can read it and what kind of stuff about a bunch of texts and [TS]

01:25:35 ◼   ► pictures right that is likely core competency of attacks reading things of [TS]

01:25:40 ◼   ► the web reading things if Facebook can get that into their you know it's not [TS]

01:25:44 ◼   ► even interactive things on a social network like for you know like a tard [TS]

01:25:47 ◼   ► the articles in The Social Network you're reading the article right if they [TS]

01:25:51 ◼   ► can pull that away from the web now you're really starting to pull the core [TS]

01:25:56 ◼   ► of like what the web what the web does in a non-proprietary way it's as if [TS]

01:26:01 ◼   ► someone tried to replace the email with the system that was exactly like email [TS]

01:26:04 ◼   ► but a hundred percent proprietary and that so far hasn't worked despite you [TS]

01:26:07 ◼   ► know being super terrible way worse than the weather wasn't terms of no [TS]

01:26:11 ◼   ► authentication spam and all the things that we had about email the weather like [TS]

01:26:15 ◼   ► up on that [TS]

01:26:16 ◼   ► well has that not worked how about I message not email like emails when you [TS]

01:26:20 ◼   ► write a long form thing but even text message like you would think that go [TS]

01:26:24 ◼   ► ahead a hundred ways I can write to somebody academic Twitter DMI corrected [TS]

01:26:27 ◼   ► them and slack I could do this like you that email survives despite it being [TS]

01:26:30 ◼   ► terrible Facebook messages are pretty big I know but you know i mean perhaps [TS]

01:26:36 ◼   ► the main thing keeping him alive is that you can even sign up for any service [TS]

01:26:39 ◼   ► that an email like it is the linchpin system right when you gonna put in the [TS]

01:26:42 ◼   ► you know i mean and I thought the web has the same longevity but it would be a [TS]

01:26:47 ◼   ► huge mistake for anybody publishing on the web to give Facebook too much power [TS]

01:26:50 ◼   ► and with web publication struggling to figure out their minds they sent [TS]

01:26:54 ◼   ► strategies and all this other stuff they are vulnerable to to do you know to [TS]

01:27:00 ◼   ► being like well we gotta do something and that's because the great advertising [TS]

01:27:03 ◼   ► platform that hoe gillian users and then you know you just wait a year in [TS]

01:27:06 ◼   ► Facebook's turning the screws me like actually show you are a lot of people as [TS]

01:27:10 ◼   ► you pass which is the whole big thing and just yeah that's the thing I mean [TS]

01:27:13 ◼   ► this is why this is such a terrible situation I mean I think because of the [TS]

01:27:20 ◼   ► move toward everything being mobile because so much [TS]

01:27:24 ◼   ► traffic to publishers websites now has to come from social services I'm not [TS]

01:27:28 ◼   ► sure the publishers have much of a choice you know it's it's just like when [TS]

01:27:31 ◼   ► Google News [TS]

01:27:32 ◼   ► you know when people threatened in middle block them and then like beg to [TS]

01:27:36 ◼   ► be let back in [TS]

01:27:37 ◼   ► there's all these like you know situation where one party has just [TS]

01:27:40 ◼   ► tremendous power on the web and publishers much have to play ball at [TS]

01:27:45 ◼   ► them because they can't afford not to have that audience on to have that [TS]

01:27:48 ◼   ► traffic Facebook is that platform today and publishers depends so much on [TS]

01:27:55 ◼   ► getting social traffic and Facebook is so good at delivering that traffic [TS]

01:28:01 ◼   ► sometimes only if you pay and being really cagey about it like this is of [TS]

01:28:07 ◼   ► course that's their plan of course their plan is to have is to move even more [TS]

01:28:11 ◼   ► activity in to Facebook its it comes from not only a position of greed but [TS]

01:28:18 ◼   ► also position of just arrogance like our appt is better than your website you [TS]

01:28:24 ◼   ► know you you're incapable of making pages to load quickly even though this [TS]

01:28:28 ◼   ► can be solved by smart web design and a good CD and a lot of times they're right [TS]

01:28:31 ◼   ► though unfortunately that's yet but not every time but anyway you know like they [TS]

01:28:35 ◼   ► this move is them just you know annexing more of the web like hey you know what [TS]

01:28:40 ◼   ► we are so powerful that you have to play ball with us we're going to offer this [TS]

01:28:44 ◼   ► thing now and our partners who use this their stuff is gonna ranked a lot higher [TS]

01:28:49 ◼   ► than a random link to an arbitrary site now and the timelines and turn the [TS]

01:28:55 ◼   ► screws right they are so good at that that's what they do you would think they [TS]

01:28:59 ◼   ► would figure it out by now my kind of music labels figured out after the [TS]

01:29:02 ◼   ► iTunes thing like maybe don't give one company too much power right you last [TS]

01:29:06 ◼   ► minute labels how they're doing right now [TS]

01:29:07 ◼   ► well but like I mean they eventually figured out and now it's kind of like [TS]

01:29:10 ◼   ► accepted wisdom in the in the digital publishing [TS]

01:29:13 ◼   ► you know digital media like music movies or whatever that it is a huge mistake to [TS]

01:29:18 ◼   ► put all your eggs in the basket one technology company despite the fact that [TS]

01:29:20 ◼   ► all the media companies have proven they can do the technology themselves they've [TS]

01:29:23 ◼   ► learned I think just just received wisdom now even if you can't just take [TS]

01:29:29 ◼   ► yourself but you can't because you never give one company all your stuff never [TS]

01:29:34 ◼   ► level get too big never let Amazon get too big never let you know like and they [TS]

01:29:37 ◼   ► all know that right and maybe they know it too well and are being stubborn with [TS]

01:29:42 ◼   ► things like TV with a view to making progress bottle blob you would think in [TS]

01:29:45 ◼   ► the web they would also know that by now as well that like any of those look at [TS]

01:29:48 ◼   ► your books on Amazon like oh boy that was a big mistake they give Amazon a [TS]

01:29:52 ◼   ► much power in the book industry and they tried to balance it with apple and you [TS]

01:29:56 ◼   ► know that I'm quite work out the way they wanted to read so I'm hoping [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► everybody web publishing even though they're in the same dire situation of [TS]

01:30:02 ◼   ► like we can't figure out how to monetize became reach our audience socialist [TS]

01:30:05 ◼   ► takeover Baba hope that someone in the meeting like raises their hand and says [TS]

01:30:10 ◼   ► this is all good and all and I love these numbers in the projections and [TS]

01:30:14 ◼   ► blah blah blah but we really need to hedge because if we put all our eggs in [TS]

01:30:18 ◼   ► the Facebook basket they will own us it will be bad I I think you're right they [TS]

01:30:23 ◼   ► should be saying that however I don't they have another choice that's and [TS]

01:30:27 ◼   ► that's why Facebook can do this this is like the Internet is really a week we [TS]

01:30:31 ◼   ► like to think that the Internet is this platform that enables all this openness [TS]

01:30:34 ◼   ► in everything it does and it can but it also enables massive consolidation of [TS]

01:30:40 ◼   ► power and consolidation of attention and using proprietary lockdown systems we [TS]

01:30:45 ◼   ► keep seeing it again and and that's only going to continue and it's a very clear [TS]

01:30:51 ◼   ► that when you have these centralized systems like facebook like Twitter like [TS]

01:30:56 ◼   ► Amazon you you can you can offer benefits that like Google you can even [TS]

01:31:00 ◼   ► offer benefit the get people in in such massive numbers that you could get a [TS]

01:31:05 ◼   ► trip like that that private company gets a tremendous amount of power and can [TS]

01:31:09 ◼   ► basically dictator terms to the rest of the world then everything like we're [TS]

01:31:13 ◼   ► saying this is really potentially really bad and they shouldn't give Facebook [TS]

01:31:16 ◼   ► overpowered the Fed is Facebook already has power and if someone's not gonna [TS]

01:31:20 ◼   ► play ball with Facebook they're gonna start losing Facebook search traffic or [TS]

01:31:24 ◼   ► Facebook social traffic [TS]

01:31:25 ◼   ► and they're gonna be there gonna be forced to play ball they're going to [TS]

01:31:28 ◼   ► their hands are gonna be forced well they've got the same game plan as the [TS]

01:31:32 ◼   ► music label that you're going to find a projection [TS]

01:31:35 ◼   ► they're only they're they're best in their only hedges unfortunately to try [TS]

01:31:39 ◼   ► to spread a little bit of your content to another proprietary centralized [TS]

01:31:44 ◼   ► things like in other words Twitter with the cards and whatever like a plate [TS]

01:31:48 ◼   ► whatever baseballs and each other [TS]

01:31:50 ◼   ► Facebook just some of the bigger than that anyway but that's what they've got [TS]

01:31:54 ◼   ► the option is let's also keep talking to Twitter about their thing and whatever [TS]

01:31:58 ◼   ► new social network thing like let's also talk to them about like no exclusivity [TS]

01:32:02 ◼   ► deals try to hedge your bets the best you can Zoe music was nothing when [TS]

01:32:09 ◼   ► iTunes was done it but by being given tons of attention by being given DRM [TS]

01:32:14 ◼   ► free music before I was given it by all the music labels and everything it [TS]

01:32:17 ◼   ► helped to make Amazon into perhaps not the competitive they all wish it was but [TS]

01:32:21 ◼   ► at least iTunes is now not the only game in town or Spotify and other streaming [TS]

01:32:26 ◼   ► services even that the streaming services I I bet music labels want to [TS]

01:32:30 ◼   ► spread things around the difference dreams are as they wouldn't like one to [TS]

01:32:32 ◼   ► be dominated just something that tends to happen Amazon is a massively dominant [TS]

01:32:38 ◼   ► online commerce Walmart is massively diamond in the USA and retail Facebook [TS]

01:32:42 ◼   ► is massively dominant online social a bummer but there's something else here [TS]

01:32:47 ◼   ► though which i think is is worth pointing out that there's a difference [TS]

01:32:49 ◼   ► in the power balance between your example that you just gave the most part [TS]

01:32:52 ◼   ► and and this which is like you know if if if you're popular kind of product is [TS]

01:32:57 ◼   ► constantly being searched for on Amazon and Amazon doesn't have it that makes [TS]

01:33:00 ◼   ► them look bad and was like 10 needs that it was the music label negotiations but [TS]

01:33:04 ◼   ► there's only one for music labels you know if if a big music store launches [TS]

01:33:09 ◼   ► and they don't have one of them that's a big problem that's like it's going to [TS]

01:33:12 ◼   ► result in a lot of people looking for stuff not finding it and that negatively [TS]

01:33:16 ◼   ► affecting the chance they're going to keep you in the music service or keep [TS]

01:33:19 ◼   ► buying that store even keep bothering to search their with Facebook and these [TS]

01:33:23 ◼   ► publishers Facebook doesn't really need any of them like at all like this is [TS]

01:33:27 ◼   ► this is purely for the publishers benefit to be in this system if the [TS]

01:33:32 ◼   ► publishers if anyone publisher or any group publishes decide they're not gonna [TS]

01:33:35 ◼   ► do it [TS]

01:33:36 ◼   ► Facebook couldn't possibly care lest they don't need them [TS]

01:33:39 ◼   ► need them but they want them they want they want their place to be the gateway [TS]

01:33:42 ◼   ► to that they don't want i mean you know share on Facebook like you can go to [TS]

01:33:45 ◼   ► website and the share on the news every article share article in every possible [TS]

01:33:48 ◼   ► social service but that's not the integration of people but Facebook want [TS]

01:33:53 ◼   ► they want you to go to Facebook to find our cannot go to the website to find the [TS]

01:33:56 ◼   ► article minute share button to share with people typically do want to do that [TS]

01:33:59 ◼   ► because they want people to be you know looking at things on Facebook but it's [TS]

01:34:02 ◼   ► the inversion of like you know website what website we only knew the only you [TS]

01:34:07 ◼   ► publish your content to our system on our terms to the people we say you can [TS]

01:34:10 ◼   ► you can retried and I guess the web [TS]

01:34:12 ◼   ► keeping the website themselves their edge on that but like I don't know what [TS]

01:34:18 ◼   ► the best move for them as they do need to reach people like I can think about [TS]

01:34:21 ◼   ► is how much it could be worse like imagine if Facebook and YouTube like [TS]

01:34:26 ◼   ► we'd all be screwed like it's game over just is and YouTube itself is pretty [TS]

01:34:32 ◼   ► dominant but then you said twitchy like well maybe you to achieve YouTube Google [TS]

01:34:37 ◼   ► aunt which now I keep my forget didn't have any way to consolidation is evil [TS]

01:34:43 ◼   ► everything old is new again and so I suspect that before too long will be [TS]

01:34:48 ◼   ► seen keywords on commercials and we'll talk about that right after this [TS]

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01:35:23 ◼   ► space 7 launched last fall and now it's even more integrated with what you see [TS]

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01:35:36 ◼   ► just edit the site right there like you hit a little anything in the corner and [TS]

01:35:40 ◼   ► the toolbar slides in and you're editing the site live right there and you don't [TS]

01:35:45 ◼   ► have to publish or change you can keep track of everything but the fact is this [TS]

01:35:49 ◼   ► bouncing between these two totally different [TS]

01:35:52 ◼   ► worlds of the editing versus the live site it's all just right there very well [TS]

01:35:56 ◼   ► integrated and of course where space gives you fully responsive design [TS]

01:36:01 ◼   ► optimized for mobile you can now even preview the Mobile layout in a regular [TS]

01:36:05 ◼   ► browser can simulate those with for you and and you know it's it's just so [TS]

01:36:09 ◼   ► powerful so easy everything is graphical drag-n-drop widgets you can put in photo [TS]

01:36:15 ◼   ► galleries blog post whatever the case headlines whatever whatever you wanna do [TS]

01:36:18 ◼   ► you can put all of that right into your site drag-n-drop very easy if you do [TS]

01:36:23 ◼   ► want to customize things even further like the geeks like us you can insert [TS]

01:36:27 ◼   ► JavaScript and CSS and just arbitrary HTML into your headers and footers right [TS]

01:36:32 ◼   ► in this Christmas interface so we do a couple of minor tweaks like that to our [TS]

01:36:35 ◼   ► site tomorrow you know tonight with some of the layout stuff and it's great you [TS]

01:36:40 ◼   ► know you just inject JavaScript in his works it's so much power with where [TS]

01:36:45 ◼   ► space is really incredible you can also they have you know all these great [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► templates for you to use so you don't have to really worry that much about [TS]

01:36:53 ◼   ► your design if you don't want to and if you do want to you can customize them [TS]

01:36:57 ◼   ► like crazy if you want to put in images you can of course upload your own and [TS]

01:37:02 ◼   ► you can also they have a partnership with Getty Images where you can search a [TS]

01:37:06 ◼   ► very big portion of Katie's catalog and you can buy a stock photo for only 10 [TS]

01:37:10 ◼   ► bucks to use anywhere in your site on Squarespace so whether it's you know a [TS]

01:37:15 ◼   ► header footer background to a big splash cover pages are really cool features a [TS]

01:37:20 ◼   ► big cover pages you can get this nice cool look forward and image for a blog [TS]

01:37:25 ◼   ► post you can do all that right within their with Getty Images partnership [TS]

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01:38:33 ◼   ► Verizon bought a oh well which is weird what's that all about [TS]

01:38:41 ◼   ► I don't know some people said it was about ad technology I i dont know that [TS]

01:38:45 ◼   ► seems to make sense to me cuz what else could it be about dial-up I don't mean [TS]

01:38:50 ◼   ► they do have a bunch of popular websites and some of the spin has been like I was [TS]

01:38:54 ◼   ► content with that like having them posters TechCrunch there's two like they [TS]

01:38:58 ◼   ► have a bunch of properties like it would be like holding company at this point [TS]

01:39:01 ◼   ► but from everything I've read about the CEO did to make the the the company [TS]

01:39:07 ◼   ► desirable as acquisition is focused on how like trying to make this company a [TS]

01:39:14 ◼   ► compliment for the things that other companies I need to know so that their [TS]

01:39:17 ◼   ► advertising technology to serve serve rich as video and the people targeted [TS]

01:39:24 ◼   ► you know if someone is looking for that ability and the ability to reach a large [TS]

01:39:29 ◼   ► number of people that's what aol has backed themselves up into an exalted [TS]

01:39:33 ◼   ► depressing numbers of like how lol stolen from you know the time and they [TS]

01:39:37 ◼   ► were doing the time-warner merger for 380 billion or whatever they sold [TS]

01:39:41 ◼   ► himself or part of it is like the name AOL like the company's always been [TS]

01:39:46 ◼   ► increasingly more than what we think overall we think of AOL [TS]

01:39:50 ◼   ► but then I just think about all those people to start charging for diabetes [TS]

01:39:53 ◼   ► angry is the locus to lowercase who had just like looks like AOL and angry and [TS]

01:39:59 ◼   ► well not because I think like that its people shouldn't have dialogue but I'm [TS]

01:40:04 ◼   ► angry like at our situation in this country that if your best internet [TS]

01:40:08 ◼   ► option within your budget is is dialogue on AOL we are failing as a as a country [TS]

01:40:14 ◼   ► you know like I feel like this plane broadband affordable broadband access [TS]

01:40:20 ◼   ► should be important enough that it should be subsidized you know maybe not [TS]

01:40:26 ◼   ► subsidize but like we should whatever we have to do to make it affordable as at [TS]

01:40:30 ◼   ► as at affordable as having a telephone line is that's what internet access [TS]

01:40:33 ◼   ► should be and if your only option is literal dial up over a modem to AOL then [TS]

01:40:39 ◼   ► things have gone horribly wrong [TS]

01:40:40 ◼   ► yeah I'd say so I don't have been Thompson a pretty good take on this that [TS]

01:40:45 ◼   ► I skimmed very quickly before we recorded and it seems like it is about [TS]

01:40:51 ◼   ► and technology I don't know it's just there has a bunch of internet properties [TS]

01:40:58 ◼   ► like TechCrunch for example in there was a time where I really hated TechCrunch [TS]

01:41:01 ◼   ► but I actually have come back around and it helps that our friend Matt pincer [TS]

01:41:06 ◼   ► knows there there's a lot of really good properties there and I'm gonna be fairly [TS]

01:41:12 ◼   ► sad when Verizon inevitably forces editorial opinions on all of them but [TS]

01:41:17 ◼   ► they will sell them before they do that I would assume that if not interesting [TS]

01:41:21 ◼   ► content themselves things off maybe I mean they they probably do make money [TS]

01:41:25 ◼   ► though I don't know it I've never worked in a bit publisher I have no idea how [TS]

01:41:31 ◼   ► you know in theory they all attempt to maintain editorial independence from [TS]

01:41:36 ◼   ► their corporate donors it in practice I don't know how hard that is it if I had [TS]

01:41:42 ◼   ► to guess I'm guessing that they can usually do that most of the time but [TS]

01:41:47 ◼   ► maybe some time to get we are too hard I don't know I don't have Verizon is like [TS]

01:41:51 ◼   ► roger ailes I don't think they have a big you know ideological slanted they're [TS]

01:41:55 ◼   ► going to impose on the Huffington Post in tech [TS]

01:41:57 ◼   ► yeah probably not the Verizon tracking cookies all the sites you know that [TS]

01:42:03 ◼   ► because already on their network anyway like Verizon just want your eyeballs and [TS]

01:42:08 ◼   ► your monthly check right and so this is just furthering their goals they would [TS]

01:42:13 ◼   ► it be to me think of someone who would rather have had bio AOL will be rather a [TS]

01:42:18 ◼   ► table go bankrupt like what is the alternative scenarios for the future of [TS]

01:42:23 ◼   ► AOL that we would like better than Verizon I mean I got him getting out is [TS]

01:42:28 ◼   ► that it's not I didn't you know sort of cringe when I saw this announcement the [TS]

01:42:34 ◼   ► same way I did when I saw like Facebook bought Instagram right sometimes you see [TS]

01:42:37 ◼   ► a consolidation like I know right [TS]

01:42:40 ◼   ► this one it's like yeah alright I mean like to be worse right like Verizon [TS]

01:42:45 ◼   ► could murder of Comcast like to share many more storms they scenarios than [TS]

01:42:48 ◼   ► than Verizon by the AOL any Verizon could just agree to just stop competing [TS]

01:42:53 ◼   ► with comcast is not putting out fires can only do that with billions and [TS]

01:42:59 ◼   ► billions of speaking of subsidies of billions and billions of dollars and the [TS]

01:43:02 ◼   ► government they need more billions now well could talk I guess doing is a [TS]

01:43:09 ◼   ► result the same [TS]

01:43:10 ◼   ► Verizon Business had to say is that it's of all the murders that have taken place [TS]

01:43:15 ◼   ► June big companies this one seems like all right whatever is this so the AOL [TS]

01:43:26 ◼   ► Time Warner thing between that and HP Compaq which was the worst merger in [TS]

01:43:32 ◼   ► history [TS]

01:43:33 ◼   ► AOL Time Warner that was bigger than XP compact yeah because HP Compaq of these [TS]

01:43:37 ◼   ► like were similar indeed similar things and its consolidation that made some [TS]

01:43:42 ◼   ► sense especially in a market where Microsoft was grabbing ever larger [TS]

01:43:45 ◼   ► values of the PC market and hardware vendors are being pushed harder and [TS]

01:43:49 ◼   ► harder that is going to be consolidation among them and they both had 10 of an [TS]

01:43:52 ◼   ► enterprise angle like HP Compaq make some sense and it looks bad because the [TS]

01:43:56 ◼   ► entire PC sector is contracting as Microsoft sucked all the oxygen out of [TS]

01:44:00 ◼   ► it [TS]

01:44:00 ◼   ► fantasy of life the Internet in Hollywood are together [TS]

01:44:04 ◼   ► and TV shows like this is just a fantasy of some c-level executives had like [TS]

01:44:10 ◼   ► billions of dollars in little birdies and starts spinning around people's [TS]

01:44:14 ◼   ► heads thinking this is going to be the new journey not just like you know I [TS]

01:44:21 ◼   ► thought that was a much bigger disaster response this week [TS]

01:44:26 ◼   ► cards against humanity igloo and Squarespace and we will see you next [TS]

01:44:30 ◼   ► week now the show is over they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [TS]

01:44:42 ◼   ► john Kasay [TS]

01:44:49 ◼   ► it was accidental and a team markle [TS]

01:45:32 ◼   ► talk about your audio engine talk about that now to say I'm working on my [TS]

01:45:38 ◼   ► streaming engine which engine is this 141 number one attempt number for every [TS]

01:45:46 ◼   ► every couple of days on Twitter somebody asks the overcast account when you get [TS]

01:45:51 ◼   ► ahead streaming God finally you know someone that and they do have a point to [TS]

01:45:55 ◼   ► you and you doing the voice for the final thing but streaming was discussed [TS]

01:45:59 ◼   ► on this very program along time ago as an important upcoming feature for [TS]

01:46:03 ◼   ► overcast yeah my goal was to add it like last fall that hasn't happened yet and [TS]

01:46:08 ◼   ► it's not because I have been working on it it's because I haven't cut it to work [TS]

01:46:12 ◼   ► I making progress and I haven't you know I have been working on only streaming in [TS]

01:46:19 ◼   ► overcast for the last year or whatever like I've been doing other things as [TS]

01:46:23 ◼   ► well yeah like walking near talk like walking might as well as testing of [TS]

01:46:27 ◼   ► against the simple stuff like you know like the entire rest of the appetite [TS]

01:46:33 ◼   ► been working on something that I have I have tried to write a streaming engine [TS]

01:46:39 ◼   ► for overcast on a number of occasions and I keep doing it badly the 17 writing [TS]

01:46:45 ◼   ► over the last two weeks is significantly better ever gotten significantly further [TS]

01:46:51 ◼   ► and got with any other attempts before I think I'll be able to do it I i think [TS]

01:46:57 ◼   ► the 1 I'm writing now is going to be the one so John deals in the chat asking is [TS]

01:47:03 ◼   ► there an off the shelf streaming solution I have looked at a couple of [TS]

01:47:06 ◼   ► package to have even tried to integrate some of them that that claim to offer [TS]

01:47:10 ◼   ► this none of them have worked for me and and some of them some of them they [TS]

01:47:15 ◼   ► haven't worked for me because they have just annoying shortcomings that that [TS]

01:47:20 ◼   ► would be a problem in my app things like oh we you know this will support [TS]

01:47:24 ◼   ► streaming of everything except mp4 files that's a bit of a problem for podcasts [TS]

01:47:29 ◼   ► and any AAC encoder podcast is wrapped in an mp4 container simple things like [TS]

01:47:34 ◼   ► no way to get id3 information that might be a problem for me in the future I [TS]

01:47:39 ◼   ► wanna parts that you know no ability to stoop to jump around [TS]

01:47:44 ◼   ► in certain formats in certain cases like there's there's there's problems [TS]

01:47:47 ◼   ► limitation with a lot of the package is out there that if you're writing an app [TS]

01:47:51 ◼   ► where you are streaming from a known set of sources that you know like if you [TS]

01:47:56 ◼   ► control the source and then you can say well we're only going to serve mp3 [TS]

01:48:00 ◼   ► format streams for instance and so you know what you're gonna be reading and [TS]

01:48:04 ◼   ► you have control over that you love more options [TS]

01:48:07 ◼   ► first of all if you don't need smart speed you need a player like that the [TS]

01:48:12 ◼   ► basic things like for for most people you don't need to be working at this [TS]

01:48:17 ◼   ► level because most applications eighty player will work just fine for you the [TS]

01:48:24 ◼   ► only reason they need to get this level is to get smart speed working now [TS]

01:48:27 ◼   ► another option they can make soros has a radio this this is the this is one of [TS]

01:48:32 ◼   ► the only other apps that has silenced getting as a feature I met him at a news [TS]

01:48:37 ◼   ► conference this year is really nice guy and I asked him why I know that he [TS]

01:48:41 ◼   ► supports streaming and he has found skipping and asked him how he did it and [TS]

01:48:44 ◼   ► he said he just doesn't have sound skipping and effects when its treatment [TS]

01:48:50 ◼   ► and he he just has two different paths in the code we're like if he's playing a [TS]

01:48:55 ◼   ► video or playing audio file office stream he just uses every player and [TS]

01:49:01 ◼   ► then if he's not uses his other audio effects and I could do I could go down [TS]

01:49:06 ◼   ► that route 2 I'm just choosing not to so I could have offered streaming at the [TS]

01:49:11 ◼   ► very beginning and just say well you can stream but just then smart speed won't [TS]

01:49:16 ◼   ► work in a few street I just choosing I don't want that like i don't i don't [TS]

01:49:20 ◼   ► want that to my solution I want I want smart speed invoice boost and other [TS]

01:49:24 ◼   ► affected you in the future I want those all to be available no matter what the [TS]

01:49:28 ◼   ► source of the of the audio is whether you're streaming it whether you know [TS]

01:49:31 ◼   ► whether you're playing off a local file etc also a TV Player you can't save the [TS]

01:49:35 ◼   ► contents of a stream and I don't like that I would like I think if your gonna [TS]

01:49:40 ◼   ► stream data ones you should be able to write that data to local disk and you [TS]

01:49:44 ◼   ► know be able to play it offline afterwards if you want to so again [TS]

01:49:49 ◼   ► limitation with the built-in stuff I could have used different modes wrestled [TS]

01:49:53 ◼   ► well this moody up his limitations I'd rather not do that [TS]

01:49:56 ◼   ► I'll just have one smart solid system that applies the same rules a matter of [TS]

01:50:01 ◼   ► the data comes from and give you the same features of the data comes so [TS]

01:50:05 ◼   ► that's why I'm doing it the hard way and it's very hard and that that might not [TS]

01:50:08 ◼   ► be the right answer that this might be a terrible idea it might not be worth it [TS]

01:50:13 ◼   ► but this is how you do it like once you kind of really from reading your [TS]

01:50:19 ◼   ► messages seems like if any of the steering frameworks gave you a place to [TS]

01:50:23 ◼   ► sort of insert your own code into the stream where you could do you smart [TS]

01:50:27 ◼   ► sweet stuff you'd you'd be all set but never none of them seem to give you that [TS]

01:50:30 ◼   ► low-level access because they always assume you know will take everything for [TS]

01:50:34 ◼   ► you just pointed to the stream and we'll get the others like no I won't I need to [TS]

01:50:37 ◼   ► be in there any to look at the bites close by and do stuff with it right so [TS]

01:50:41 ◼   ► what you're essentially doing is a lot of work to be done for you and other [TS]

01:50:45 ◼   ► frameworks just even get that one access point is this correct characterization [TS]

01:50:48 ◼   ► oh yeah that's that's that's part of it and even just like just the way the [TS]

01:50:54 ◼   ► frameworks work the way they're structured the way I like how the code [TS]

01:50:57 ◼   ► does certain things there's there's a couple of different low-level audio AP [TS]

01:51:01 ◼   ► eyes that you could be using I have to be working at basically the lowest level [TS]

01:51:06 ◼   ► to do what I do and and so some of them don't work at a level that low some of [TS]

01:51:11 ◼   ► them do but in a weird way that has limitations like this [TS]

01:51:14 ◼   ► some of them are basically is doing what I'm doing and I can just look at them [TS]

01:51:16 ◼   ► and see you know some tricks they do or something you know somewhere thing but [TS]

01:51:20 ◼   ► for the most part now another figure out the right way to do it I think I think [TS]

01:51:26 ◼   ► I'm making good progress so I'll get there has to be your new Instapaper [TS]

01:51:30 ◼   ► tableview gridview it's like you do this thing you found out you gotta think I am [TS]

01:51:35 ◼   ► streaming engine supports all the features to iOS releases later they [TS]

01:51:38 ◼   ► ad looks taller API's that you could do smart like that's just that's gotta do [TS]

01:51:44 ◼   ► what you gotta do but I don't know maybe maybe this will never be important [TS]

01:51:47 ◼   ► enough for them to do like the collection views was eventually [TS]

01:51:50 ◼   ► important nothing to do but it's tons of apps have abused like that of arbitrary [TS]

01:51:54 ◼   ► grades of items reordering and blah blah blah but I'm not sure how many apps care [TS]

01:51:58 ◼   ► about the low-level audio access that you need so maybe your be safe yeah and [TS]

01:52:03 ◼   ► and like you know eighty player can support voice boost even like you can do [TS]

01:52:08 ◼   ► audio effects and TV Player you guys can adjust the time scale of the audio so [TS]

01:52:12 ◼   ► you can do any effect that that take in and out put the same number of samples [TS]

01:52:16 ◼   ► you can do that maybe player no problem [TS]

01:52:19 ◼   ► well it's not easy but you can do it but anything that is just the timescale [TS]

01:52:23 ◼   ► dynamically you can't and that is what smart speed needs to do one of the [TS]

01:52:29 ◼   ► questions in the chat let me see Cody explorer s that's why is streaming in [TS]

01:52:34 ◼   ► such demand if you have wifi downloading an individual facilitates a 10 seconds [TS]

01:52:38 ◼   ► when its low that's a good point you know I've gotten along this far without [TS]

01:52:43 ◼   ► having streaming one could argue as I've asked myself many times as I keep [TS]

01:52:47 ◼   ► failing to do it properly [TS]

01:52:49 ◼   ► one could ask like do I do I ever need streaming and the answer is I think I [TS]

01:52:56 ◼   ► can get away without it forever if I need to but it would be better with it [TS]

01:53:00 ◼   ► for two or three main reasons 11 very big use case that people always ask for [TS]

01:53:06 ◼   ► the night can satisfy is a lot of you prefer to run their clients and [TS]

01:53:10 ◼   ► streaming only mode and the big advantage here is that you never have to [TS]

01:53:14 ◼   ► download big chunks so many like an episode that comes in that you don't [TS]

01:53:19 ◼   ► actually listening to you didn't download that CD that data and also it [TS]

01:53:23 ◼   ► takes up no disk space basically you have some space for like cashing in [TS]

01:53:27 ◼   ► artwork and database stuff like that but compared to when you're down an entire [TS]

01:53:31 ◼   ► episode like fifty or a hundred megs that's a very little space and people so [TS]

01:53:36 ◼   ► often who have like the 16 gig iPhone that for some reason Apple is still [TS]

01:53:39 ◼   ► selling they can be very low on space so if you can have a motive your podcast [TS]

01:53:45 ◼   ► app that doesn't utilize disk space that's there's a lot of people who want [TS]

01:53:48 ◼   ► that [TS]

01:53:48 ◼   ► secondarily no matter how fast your connection [TS]

01:53:51 ◼   ► is if there's an episode that you want to listen to right now and it is not [TS]

01:53:54 ◼   ► downloaded to tap it and to have to sit there and wait for the whole thing to [TS]

01:53:58 ◼   ► download before you even start sucks even if it only sucks for five seconds [TS]

01:54:03 ◼   ► that still sucks many and many cases it's gonna suck for longer than the [TS]

01:54:07 ◼   ► reality is not everybody has fast wifi not everybody is on wifi not everyone [TS]

01:54:12 ◼   ► some connection to that fast so if you can tap and start playback soon [TS]

01:54:18 ◼   ► immediately if that is better like no question that is better forget about the [TS]

01:54:22 ◼   ► wifi in the cell connections my I have fast all of those things it takes [TS]

01:54:27 ◼   ► forever to download some podcasts because the hosting is slow [TS]

01:54:31 ◼   ► that is my biggest complaint about streaming is like if I forget to [TS]

01:54:33 ◼   ► download a podcast and I have to you know go to work [TS]

01:54:36 ◼   ► you look at it it's like what is this doing 200 k per second forget it will [TS]

01:54:40 ◼   ► I'm not going to sit here and wait 15 minutes and is not because of my [TS]

01:54:43 ◼   ► connection that's because the server can't feed me the bites fast enough and [TS]

01:54:47 ◼   ► I blame your background downloader yeah if I had to pick one time I'm not big on [TS]

01:54:52 ◼   ► stream I like the fact that will be able to play play i I would like a hybrid [TS]

01:54:57 ◼   ► mode where it starts playing as soon as possible but it still down but that [TS]

01:55:00 ◼   ► featured I must get it tonight about it overcast is why isn't this downloading I [TS]

01:55:05 ◼   ► don't know why it's downloading I know you have to like start all stop all [TS]

01:55:08 ◼   ► thing happens sometimes I know you thought about that but the background [TS]

01:55:11 ◼   ► download firmware everything you do [TS]

01:55:13 ◼   ► mysterious to me there is no indication in the UI and nothing I can do about it [TS]

01:55:17 ◼   ► to say other than sometimes pause and restart pause and restart do something [TS]

01:55:20 ◼   ► starts happening I always want to know what are you waiting to download just [TS]

01:55:24 ◼   ► thought I would also like to know that [TS]

01:55:26 ◼   ► yeah unfortunately this framework do not give you that information you could sell [TS]

01:55:31 ◼   ► it start downloading this and you know it started when you get the first bite [TS]

01:55:34 ◼   ► right unlike a software update running in the background ahead of you in the [TS]

01:55:37 ◼   ► queue you know taking your spot in the background cute and eight and he's in [TS]