00:00:06 ◼ ► I don't have to talk to you about your drink before we start this is the preflight we're doing off the air. [TS]
00:00:18 ◼ ► You talking about your stupid cup thing that we have old wobble but they don't fall down. [TS]
00:00:22 ◼ ► Technology is employed in it and I think you kind of missing the point. The point is not to get a cup. [TS]
00:00:29 ◼ ► If you knock it over on top your computer will hopefully through the design of the cop. [TS]
00:00:36 ◼ ► Or some magical Cup that is impossible to knock over that you can hit it with the oncoming freight train in this couple. [TS]
00:00:50 ◼ ► and still water I'd even if you think your company won't tip over Be won't spill liquid just accept that both of those [TS]
00:00:57 ◼ ► Servers will fail hardware will fail just accept it and then build a system where when your cup. [TS]
00:01:10 ◼ ► That was not the Cup Don't worry I'll show you the second. All right. That the liquid. Does come out. [TS]
00:01:19 ◼ ► So this is the system I implore you to get it going on so I'm going to. I'm going to tweet at you too. [TS]
00:01:27 ◼ ► Because I don't want to make a public. Public public tweet. A picture of my set up at mom and dad. Ads. [TS]
00:01:33 ◼ ► And let me show you something that will be Q. Even more excited over my set up here. [TS]
00:01:47 ◼ ► Put it up above the computer so it spills directly onto the computer that's the idea. [TS]
00:01:54 ◼ ► I think I like the fact that you had to reach across both your my front on a computer to get there. [TS]
00:02:02 ◼ ► So I put that there just temper what do you may be tied the microphone cable around the base of the cup goodness. [TS]
00:02:09 ◼ ► No I did that just temporarily just for you. Anyway my point is don't put your faith in where cops. [TS]
00:02:16 ◼ ► I by the way I love that like that we kicked out of the show for one episode. And he goes and forms to do podcasts. [TS]
00:02:23 ◼ ► Yes seriously apparently talking to new pot informed her new body has been talking about robot or not. [TS]
00:02:28 ◼ ► Oh that wasn't when I was. Whatever the timelines are all the things happened way before last episode. [TS]
00:02:40 ◼ ► One with Marilyn man and one with Jason Snell to equal the Often if that is a T.P.A. [TS]
00:02:45 ◼ ► Reconcilable differences the other one. That's the one that wants to day I relate which is often. [TS]
00:02:56 ◼ ► Actually at all but it is really really really good and I absolutely love the first episode yet. [TS]
00:03:11 ◼ ► I'm genuinely surprised that you signed up for doing even one new podcast regularly let alone two although my [TS]
00:03:21 ◼ ► or not a little bit on the all of this likely to be as the standard one every week we show up we recorded goes out. [TS]
00:03:28 ◼ ► but the other ones are done in creative ways to fit into all of our schedules we're all busy people [TS]
00:03:40 ◼ ► So it gives me an outlet aside from the incomparable which I continue to do. To talk about non tech stuff. Excellent. [TS]
00:03:47 ◼ ► All right so. We should probably do a little bit a follow up and. I might have skipped over a little bit. [TS]
00:03:58 ◼ ► Well now it's probably it's probably too late right we don't have to talk about it no it does not too late for a bunch [TS]
00:04:03 ◼ ► of stuff last time and you guys were so busy like patting yourself on the back for getting the ball back. [TS]
00:04:09 ◼ ► when you end a follow up it was the same kind of times usually just spend a lot of time complaining about follow up [TS]
00:04:14 ◼ ► and not doing follow up until you said OK now finally follow up study of time. Anyway. All I wanted to do for the. [TS]
00:04:24 ◼ ► Phone accuracy watch accuracy things was to note the put in this link that both support article about this. [TS]
00:04:33 ◼ ► And note that the interesting bit about tracking your distance. When running with both a watch and a phone. [TS]
00:04:41 ◼ ► Is that the reason. It might be off. Is because the device is apparently and hinted at by this Apple document. [TS]
00:04:52 ◼ ► By trying to use the stop tracker by trying to calibrate the step tracker either in the phone or in the watch [TS]
00:04:56 ◼ ► or both and just use the accelerometer to count your steps rather than having the G.P.S. [TS]
00:05:00 ◼ ► Going the whole time tracing your route. Because a lot of people are asking. How can if you. [TS]
00:05:04 ◼ ► If you go with the watch on the phone. How can it be any worse or different in any way than a Garmin G.P.S. [TS]
00:05:09 ◼ ► Watch wouldn't be exactly the same as an G.P.S. G.P.S. What is the big difference here. [TS]
00:05:17 ◼ ► and people's experience that the Apple devices are trying to cheat to save battery and say well. [TS]
00:05:23 ◼ ► Once we get calibrated stepping for the accelerometer they will use that most of the time and maybe check into a G.P.S. [TS]
00:05:31 ◼ ► and I think something that Apple will probably adjust to time as they get more battery strength [TS]
00:05:38 ◼ ► and the sort of a hardcore sports fitness market those type of people I look just use my battery the whole point of [TS]
00:05:53 ◼ ► but it's kind of all now we had a bunch of people write in about it with blanks we'll put them in the in the show know [TS]
00:05:58 ◼ ► if there's a couple of tweeted about the people's upcoming reviews. Like sort of hardcore fitness device. [TS]
00:06:13 ◼ ► when they do come out maybe it will finally pin down these devices that just how I Q What are they what are their [TS]
00:06:21 ◼ ► I did some exercise with some collection of Apple devices and I feel like you did or didn't count. [TS]
00:06:30 ◼ ► and of course because these people are in the same zone as Marco where there are slave to the green rings. [TS]
00:06:39 ◼ ► And so they're upset by man's agreements or get her to feel like now. I had to walk for an hour today to get I think. [TS]
00:06:50 ◼ ► Because like because it well part of it you know might be the weight measuring a bigger part of it is that because I'm [TS]
00:07:02 ◼ ► but I think my body is having to exert itself less to do the same hills. Every day. [TS]
00:07:09 ◼ ► It's scales that it scales the amount it starts you off with a small goal you only have to do X. [TS]
00:07:13 ◼ ► Amount of activity and if you keep meeting that goal say OK now you gotta do expose to expose three X. Plus for it. [TS]
00:07:19 ◼ ► Well it's. I don't think that's the first of all I don't think it automatically adjusts it prompts you to adjust it. [TS]
00:07:25 ◼ ► I think it doesn't automatically adjust I remember reading that other people saying like that the activity that you [TS]
00:07:37 ◼ ► and you're also right about the heart rate stuff as well yeah I don't first of all I don't. [TS]
00:07:41 ◼ ► I question whether that's true but the heart rate is thirty minutes like the goals at least thirty minutes. [TS]
00:07:59 ◼ ► and had was from the episode I wasn't on where you're talking about the Johnny I have promotion [TS]
00:08:04 ◼ ► or whatever you want to call it to. From his boat was his previous position like Chief. [TS]
00:08:10 ◼ ► Senior Vice President of design I think or something like that right and now he's a collateralized debt obligation. [TS]
00:08:15 ◼ ► Instead. Right. So his. His new title I think the various articles written about this covered all the points. [TS]
00:08:23 ◼ ► But as always it's like the mixture and you guys when you talk about the mixture of what to emphasize. [TS]
00:08:29 ◼ ► I mostly agree that this change in title is making up for the fact that he not that he wants to leave. But that he. [TS]
00:08:44 ◼ ► He wants to do different things and that it's can turn into wanting to leave. But it just seems like. [TS]
00:08:53 ◼ ► Well I keep thinking of as if you were Johnny Ive and you've done all the things that he's done. [TS]
00:08:57 ◼ ► What do you have left to prove in the making Aleck trying to vises space maybe the car. [TS]
00:09:04 ◼ ► As like again if you're thinking of what would keep Johnny operand what would keep him. Excited. [TS]
00:09:15 ◼ ► but I was going to say that he has nothing left to prove in those categories like if you never doesn't designs another [TS]
00:09:19 ◼ ► thing he's still going to be one of the most well known designers of the century who have done right. [TS]
00:09:29 ◼ ► and you want to new challenges interesting things that's why I think the holder like he's going to participate in [TS]
00:09:34 ◼ ► I bet he really wants to do that because that's slightly different than what he's been doing before. [TS]
00:09:41 ◼ ► and I bet he was super into the watch because it's a little bit different so I don't think he's like he was out the [TS]
00:09:50 ◼ ► He's he's stepping towards the door slowly finding interesting things to pick up on his way to the door. [TS]
00:09:56 ◼ ► and the other thing is talking about this position of like well if you're delegating to these people at the Allen dire [TS]
00:10:03 ◼ ► what ever is doing the software and let the other guy's name how are things something. Richard Howard. [TS]
00:10:08 ◼ ► Yeah he's and he's going to do the hardware and it's like like you're just telling getting everything [TS]
00:10:14 ◼ ► and how how can you be the chief of design the design chief of anything if everyone else is doing the actual work and. [TS]
00:10:26 ◼ ► His article on this topic was one of those cases where he hit every single point I would if I was writing a thing about [TS]
00:10:33 ◼ ► You have a two going to say this yeah OK I want to this point you know what he hit every single point I was going to [TS]
00:10:39 ◼ ► Just read that article that is exactly my opinion and the the one point that I saw a few people hit [TS]
00:10:43 ◼ ► but he did was C.D.O. Who was the previous C.E.O. Steve Jobs he didn't do anything. [TS]
00:10:51 ◼ ► How can you have how can you have any influence on design if you know design is and that's basically what Steve Jobs. [TS]
00:11:00 ◼ ► And the other people did all the actual work of making the hardware making the software doing different mockups. [TS]
00:11:12 ◼ ► Johnny I moved into a century the exact same position of Steve Jobs that people I call God He can have any influence [TS]
00:11:17 ◼ ► he's out the door with Steve Jobs out the door because he didn't do any of the work. [TS]
00:11:24 ◼ ► but I think it is perfectly possible for Johnny Ive in its current position to exert the same amount if not more [TS]
00:11:32 ◼ ► Because he will have more authority and he is a higher level position even if it is a step towards the door. So. [TS]
00:11:38 ◼ ► And then like you I said I don't. I don't think it's the end of the world if he leaves because I think at this point. [TS]
00:11:44 ◼ ► He should go do more interesting things and he wants to design. Thermostats or airplanes. More power to him. [TS]
00:11:53 ◼ ► and it's kind of like any car company that has a designer that sort of defines a signature look of the car company [TS]
00:11:59 ◼ ► The car company wants a different look and just hope the next day I come comes in is and you know a bangle or whatever. [TS]
00:12:04 ◼ ► The I was going to say crisp angle though everyone kind of wanted him out. And in this case. [TS]
00:12:09 ◼ ► Everyone wants Johnny to stay. So it's similar but yet. Very different all the same time. [TS]
00:12:14 ◼ ► Well but like bangle was a change from the old B.M.W. Look which is very conservative. [TS]
00:12:22 ◼ ► but it was a change Same thing with Mercedes which on the other direction they used to look like kind of boring cars [TS]
00:12:26 ◼ ► and then their new design direction was much more daring. Seriously you think the new Mercedes looked daring. Oh yeah. [TS]
00:12:33 ◼ ► Much more dare you kidding go look at what they look like and in the eighty's and even the early ninety's [TS]
00:12:37 ◼ ► and all of a sudden they got swoopy and much more interesting looking designs that don't then Alex [TS]
00:12:42 ◼ ► and I don't like the new ones are way better than the old ones. Yep. But anyway. Like it regardless of your opinion. [TS]
00:12:55 ◼ ► You can't use the same design forever and we talk about this in terms of the material science like aluminum [TS]
00:12:59 ◼ ► and glass is probably going to ask your last a really long time that a certain point. [TS]
00:13:03 ◼ ► Maybe three design revisions are now like three three look revolutions three decades or. [TS]
00:13:10 ◼ ► They'll be a materials revolution and I actually now it's not a question of how we shape. [TS]
00:13:16 ◼ ► but entirely different materials that have different properties and. Johnny have a good long gone by them but anyway. [TS]
00:13:21 ◼ ► I don't see it as the end of the world if he leaves and a couple of years. All right. Any other follow up. [TS]
00:13:27 ◼ ► Jeff Williams is the senior vice president of operations not the C.E.O. As previously stated on the program. You know. [TS]
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00:17:27 ◼ ► All right. So not to take a page out Have. Connected to playbook. But since we are also a photo management podcast. [TS]
00:17:36 ◼ ► There's been some news and Google photos. Is a thing. So Google had Iowa was it. Last week is all right. [TS]
00:17:44 ◼ ► It was it was the day after we recorded last week's episode. But of course it was. That was well point head. [TS]
00:17:51 ◼ ► And so they really school photos which. From what I gather is what everyone wanted from photo management. [TS]
00:17:59 ◼ ► Maybe him and. So what allows you to do is it allows you to up a blow to all of your photos. [TS]
00:18:05 ◼ ► You can have an unlimited amount of storage an unlimited amount of storage if you allow Google to recommit press your [TS]
00:18:12 ◼ ► pictures. It's very cheap if you want to give the money to give to store full Reza pictures and. [TS]
00:18:21 ◼ ► From everything I've heard I have a chance to try this yet. From everything I've heard. [TS]
00:18:26 ◼ ► It has an believable search capabilities so I think it might have been Russell vantage that had searched for sleeping [TS]
00:18:33 ◼ ► or something like that. And there were a bunch of pictures of him in other people. Asleep and. All I am sure was him. [TS]
00:18:48 ◼ ► but it found a picture of a picture of the city of which I guess in a lot of ways it makes sense [TS]
00:19:12 ◼ ► There's only so much you can reasonably try and put real effort and spend real time with and. [TS]
00:19:23 ◼ ► And I never will I will never have time for that. Nor is that really interesting to me. [TS]
00:19:30 ◼ ► As a person who uses Apple's version of this as a person who's Apple versions of most things. [TS]
00:19:39 ◼ ► First of all I think it's worth noting that this is basically the only thing anybody's talking about from Google IOW [TS]
00:19:46 ◼ ► this was the big announcement I think you know. I think it's worth pointing out that Google is is kind of taking this. [TS]
00:19:52 ◼ ► It seems like taking this year to mature things and do do some less interesting but necessary improvements everywhere. [TS]
00:20:04 ◼ ► So that that I think is interesting and I'm I'm I hope Apple takes the same opportunity. But anyway so. [TS]
00:20:13 ◼ ► I think the the big things everyone seems to be talking about are what you said are the the pricing [TS]
00:20:19 ◼ ► and the a limited storage here with the asterisk of re compressing and not supporting raw. [TS]
00:20:25 ◼ ► But the unlimited star storage tier and the really really good intelligence of recognizing things [TS]
00:20:31 ◼ ► and being able to search for things. Those are really nice. However neither of those really appeal to me. [TS]
00:20:49 ◼ ► So I browse things just by day and I find I finally looking for that way. Very very easily. [TS]
00:21:05 ◼ ► And then the limited storage thing with the asterisk. Is nice a lot of people will use that. [TS]
00:21:12 ◼ ► I I don't want that I want if I'm going to have it I'm going to invest time and bandwidth and data [TS]
00:21:28 ◼ ► and that's only like you know their limit right now is sixteen megapixel I believe and. [TS]
00:21:33 ◼ ► It's using shipping Rican pression to lower the lower the rate even further. That to me like. Again. [TS]
00:21:46 ◼ ► My camera for the last god I don't know six seven years has been a five the mark two. And that's all that's already. [TS]
00:21:53 ◼ ► You know from six seven years ago granted it was a high end camera back then but that already is twenty two [TS]
00:22:07 ◼ ► Usually starts at sixteen megapixels just like all the. All of the Micro Four Thirds camera. [TS]
00:22:14 ◼ ► And the food yak system and the little Sony's that are NOT be a not the alpha. Seven full frame series. [TS]
00:22:21 ◼ ► Almost all of those are sixty megapixels starting. And many of them are now twenty four. [TS]
00:22:28 ◼ ► Some of them are even thirty six now and Canon just released a fifty megapixel camera so. Like there's. [TS]
00:22:39 ◼ ► And the all these consumer level solutions are going to either limit you're not appeal to you. [TS]
00:22:48 ◼ ► Unfortunately I kind of fall on that on that side of that line. Just by a little bit like I fall in the Pro line. [TS]
00:22:59 ◼ ► And just enough to have a nice enough camera or I want to shoot twenty four make pixel images. [TS]
00:23:06 ◼ ► and give up all the cool sync stuff that they offer you know of two minds on this the sort of asterisk. Re compression. [TS]
00:23:13 ◼ ► Thing one the one side you say boy this is actually kind of dangerous because a lot of people ask when this came out. [TS]
00:23:18 ◼ ► Oh hey can I use Google photos to back up my photos and the answer is if you're using the free thing. [TS]
00:23:23 ◼ ► No because you're not really getting a backup what you're getting is a place where you can see your pictures [TS]
00:23:28 ◼ ► but it is changing them it's very compressing and so it's not really a backup. But on the other hand. [TS]
00:23:35 ◼ ► and is way more attractive to people who would otherwise do nothing to organize their photos. [TS]
00:23:44 ◼ ► Kind of backup for the people who previously just left all the pictures on their phone for an For instance right. [TS]
00:23:48 ◼ ► Like all just all the pictures are on their Android phone and they drop their phone in a lake [TS]
00:23:53 ◼ ► This is a great solution for those people because even though Reagan presses. The fact that it's. [TS]
00:24:00 ◼ ► They don't care about the asterisk going to way better than what they were doing before which is probably nothing. [TS]
00:24:04 ◼ ► So I think this probably has the sweet spot of Google's target user which is the mass market [TS]
00:24:10 ◼ ► and not people who have fancy cameras basically people who take pictures with their phones [TS]
00:24:13 ◼ ► and phones aren't yet sixteen megapixels they will be in a few years but you know it. [TS]
00:24:23 ◼ ► It also has the added benefit of making Apple's pricing look terrible because even though it's not apples to apples [TS]
00:24:28 ◼ ► nobody knows or cares about that if you were to explain to buy now you don't you know get a Google re compresses [TS]
00:24:33 ◼ ► or image and you try to explain what that means myself Show me the pictures. They like all the same to me. [TS]
00:24:40 ◼ ► and who's the megapixel image to show them to see how Google Reagan president looks like a master like. [TS]
00:24:45 ◼ ► but I look at him like this made a find that look the same so I think this is the the right compromise even though it [TS]
00:24:51 ◼ ► was disappointing when I learned for you know limited with that Asterix was there for me personally [TS]
00:24:54 ◼ ► but for everybody else. Definitely a good deal. Real quick real time follow up the Galaxy S six. Is sixteen megapixel. [TS]
00:25:09 ◼ ► Megapixel camera couple years ago probably couple of years into that there's also I think we might be about to have a [TS]
00:25:16 ◼ ► Because there's a couple of cameras in the Mark and I think one or two phones that even do this where. [TS]
00:25:22 ◼ ► So you know we seen over the last few years how many of the many of cameras in many smaller phone there are many phones [TS]
00:25:32 ◼ ► and they do this by sensor shift they basically have to tell robbers and they shift the sensor around. [TS]
00:25:43 ◼ ► Somebody figured out recently that you can use sensor shift to basically. Interpol eight. [TS]
00:25:53 ◼ ► So what they do is in very quick succession when you hit the shutter button the special mode. [TS]
00:25:58 ◼ ► Some of these cameras can basically use the image stable their system to shift the sensor very slightly in different [TS]
00:26:05 ◼ ► directions over the course of a few seconds to kind of interplay to higher megapixel mode. [TS]
00:26:10 ◼ ► That can to that can make a sixteen megapixel sensor take like a fifty megapixel image. [TS]
00:26:15 ◼ ► This could get specially in the spec obsessed. Hypercompetitive camera best smartphone market. [TS]
00:26:21 ◼ ► It would not surprise me at all if this becomes a very very common feature among smartphone cameras [TS]
00:26:35 ◼ ► This will be a way for many phones and many cameras to claim ridiculous megapixel counts and. [TS]
00:26:44 ◼ ► It isn't as good as if you actually had a giant center that big in most cases but it's. [TS]
00:26:52 ◼ ► So I think people will use that for digital zoom because I see people do all the time they don't understand the quality [TS]
00:26:59 ◼ ► But if you had a fifty megapixel does not you know why do you need fifty megapixel less you're printing out something [TS]
00:27:05 ◼ ► You're going to printed super high the be like no one's going to do that they just want pictures that are like human [TS]
00:27:12 ◼ ► Eight megapixels is fine for that sixteen megapixels is fine so if you have fifty What is that by you that by used by [TS]
00:27:19 ◼ ► To zoom in and out instead of like walking closer farther away. And still get a ten megapixel image out of it. [TS]
00:27:25 ◼ ► You know I think the key piece to me is what you had said Marco a little while ago that I really. [TS]
00:27:33 ◼ ► I personally love the idea of having this really robust search engine on my pictures. [TS]
00:27:37 ◼ ► I'm not I'm not really interested in weighing the pros and cons of giving my pictures to Google. [TS]
00:27:42 ◼ ► But the problem I have with it is if I'm going to get into this position where I have all of my pictures on Google [TS]
00:27:49 ◼ ► photos. I'm going to want that to also serve as a backup in addition to being a really robust search engine and. [TS]
00:27:56 ◼ ► I know I've talked about picture life quite a lot on and off over the last few months but I really love picture life. [TS]
00:28:01 ◼ ► For bunch of reasons including them having a good search engine mostly around dates [TS]
00:28:07 ◼ ► or locations nothing is that advanced as what Google photos is doing. But also because they'll take every file. [TS]
00:28:19 ◼ ► and I think I pay fifteen bucks a month for limited storage I think I might be quoting that wrong. [TS]
00:28:25 ◼ ► But it serves not only as a nice repository it does the time hop style thing where it says oh this day. [TS]
00:28:33 ◼ ► One year ago two years ago three years ago this is what you were doing but it also allows me to search for pictures [TS]
00:28:42 ◼ ► It does a lot of the stuff that Google photos and actually photos happen i Cloud photos. I call it a library whatever. [TS]
00:28:49 ◼ ► She should intends to do but man I would absolutely. Pay for in switch to google photos. If if if I was confident. [TS]
00:29:01 ◼ ► If I felt like it got me things that picture life didn't and right now it's getting me a search engine [TS]
00:29:06 ◼ ► but it's not getting me I don't think a lot of the other stuff that I really love like the time hop. [TS]
00:29:10 ◼ ► So gets you like better face recognition and does some weird A I thing where it composes a nice picture for you [TS]
00:29:16 ◼ ► and makes albums based on. Because A But I you can get this you can pay. You can pay Google. [TS]
00:29:20 ◼ ► You know it just goes your Google account storage if you pay for the terabyte of storage then a backup of the hell you [TS]
00:29:26 ◼ ► And that's that's the other thing is the shame of the asterisk is people might dismiss it then the nerdy give listeners [TS]
00:29:31 ◼ ► that oh I don't want to Rican breast manages. That's just for the free one if you pay Google money. [TS]
00:29:38 ◼ ► Because they charge you for the amount of storage for use and the rates for storage. [TS]
00:29:41 ◼ ► Are not they're not cheap but they're cheaper than Apple still. Yeah it's about half the price. Yeah. [TS]
00:29:46 ◼ ► And you know as many of the competitors are as always one of the last time I was still little bit out of whack in this [TS]
00:29:54 ◼ ► That's that's Dropbox or I don't remember the price of a drawback is still below Apple. [TS]
00:29:59 ◼ ► For the big special for the big tier. Yeah I think I'm tempted by this Google thing. [TS]
00:30:06 ◼ ► and more importantly the performance characteristics that I assume it has based on all my experience with server side [TS]
00:30:14 ◼ ► It doesn't matter how fast my computer is because most of the magic is happening on the server side a sort of like why [TS]
00:30:18 ◼ ► use G. Mail. I have a ton of e-mail pun of filters. All I ever see on my screen is one set of in. Well things. [TS]
00:30:25 ◼ ► So it doesn't matter that this label or folder or whatever has sixty thousand. You males in it. [TS]
00:30:31 ◼ ► I can switch to it and immediately see what's there. Because it just shows one screenful. And I can. [TS]
00:30:36 ◼ ► I don't mind cooking next to go to the next screen thought as opposed to clicking something in outlook [TS]
00:30:40 ◼ ► and watching a grinding beach ball my thing so we can display a scrolling list view was sixty thousand email messages [TS]
00:30:45 ◼ ► right there is the advantage of the server side of hearses client side a disadvantage is you don't get a nice crowbar [TS]
00:30:50 ◼ ► to the over the advantages everything is always responsive so I would imagine that Google photos. [TS]
00:30:56 ◼ ► Like Google search would let me find all the pictures of a particular person with its face recognition which I have to [TS]
00:31:02 ◼ ► assume is superior to apples even if just in that it doesn't grind my computer to death [TS]
00:31:06 ◼ ► when it's technique faces the grounds of Google's computer wanted to the thing faces and same for all the other stuff [TS]
00:31:12 ◼ ► and find all your receipts you can type in Sydney Opera House you can type in statue you can type [TS]
00:31:18 ◼ ► They have lots of smarts behind those that are not going to be duplicated in a local computer. [TS]
00:31:23 ◼ ► It's like Google giant computing cluster in the fact that they share all the information about image section is that it [TS]
00:31:28 ◼ ► makes the whole system smarter and all that all these are features I like and their rates are cheaper than Apple [TS]
00:31:37 ◼ ► Going to give Apple's Photos app despite it being super slow everything a little bit more time to mature because this [TS]
00:31:43 ◼ ► is the one point zero It's basically a complete rewrite. So far it has been reliable. [TS]
00:31:49 ◼ ► If all need incredibly slow and maddening and. There's one Update on my Apple photos complaints. [TS]
00:31:56 ◼ ► There's one new behavior that's really pissing me off in addition to being super slow. [TS]
00:32:01 ◼ ► When I'm going through pictures of like at the right hour the left are a bit at a key word. [TS]
00:32:05 ◼ ► The period key to favor I'm trying to come up with like a nice keyboard only workflow for sort of going through right [TS]
00:32:09 ◼ ► pictures. After I take them to organize them tag them frequently I'll come upon one that. [TS]
00:32:14 ◼ ► I want to delete because it's crappy and I'm not doing like the one star thing anymore I just delete. [TS]
00:32:18 ◼ ► Now because I have just a favour non-fat So if I see something as one stars delete immediately delete of course takes [TS]
00:32:25 ◼ ► Sit there for sometimes I count one two three four all their what if you had only had it right [TS]
00:32:36 ◼ ► I'll hit the hit the arrow key or hit delete all at the are OK and then I'll see the next picture I want to delete. [TS]
00:32:41 ◼ ► And I delete and a look up at the screen I'll see what has happened is after I went to the next picture. [TS]
00:32:48 ◼ ► Deleted one and then I went to the next picture. Now like my delete like i Cloud has caught up with my delete. [TS]
00:32:55 ◼ ► And it has moved. Sort of my cursor from the picture I was looking at to the one that was before the one I deleted. [TS]
00:33:03 ◼ ► Applies to the picture before the one I just leads instead of the next one. Like like it doesn't preserve my position. [TS]
00:33:09 ◼ ► You know my selection state in the thing because the collection of you like reshuffles behind the scenes [TS]
00:33:13 ◼ ► and I will find myself looking at a picture I was looking at before. Maddening like that's. That's a potential for. [TS]
00:33:23 ◼ ► They might not realize what happened I might not realize that you thought you were on the next picture really after you [TS]
00:33:50 ◼ ► So it's like Alec two thousand and eleven all over again. Reflection status changing underneath my. [TS]
00:33:59 ◼ ► Other than the fact that it is accepting all of my uploads and presumably preserving them and they're all in a cloud [TS]
00:34:06 ◼ ► and blah blah. Want to me like that that I think is the most important part like if you have an Android phone. [TS]
00:34:13 ◼ ► And you use google stuff. Then by all means use Google's photo thing that makes the most sense. [TS]
00:34:23 ◼ ► And the fact is that nothing integrates better with my most frequently used camera. Than Apple's photos. [TS]
00:34:31 ◼ ► And so I like Apple's photo storage thing would have to be really bad for me to not use it [TS]
00:34:37 ◼ ► and to instead go over to something else. Because the convenience aspect is really incredibly powerful. [TS]
00:34:44 ◼ ► Of just having that having integration having things like just instantly be over at my big computer on different [TS]
00:34:49 ◼ ► devices like oh let's not say instantly because one of the complaints like performance eventually becomes a feature [TS]
00:34:54 ◼ ► deficit. One of the complaints for people over the large libraries you take a photo with your i Phone. And then you. [TS]
00:35:00 ◼ ► You know. Maybe a couple seconds pass and then you want to see that photo. In your photos collection. [TS]
00:35:08 ◼ ► And why isn't there you just took it why why is it not there yet because you have a giant collection it takes a while [TS]
00:35:15 ◼ ► I don't think it's going anywhere you took it on the phone surely it should show up in your photos collection. [TS]
00:35:19 ◼ ► But there's a lag if you have a large photo collection and that's a like that wasn't there before like. [TS]
00:35:24 ◼ ► There's one of my wife's can like you turned on this i Photo a library whatever thing. [TS]
00:35:29 ◼ ► and because Apple does understand how families work photos have to be on one computer and blah blah blah. [TS]
00:35:36 ◼ ► And all it has done is made her camera on her phone. Last pleasant and made her photo pictures in every single out. [TS]
00:35:43 ◼ ► One point I'll hopefully this will be addressed This is a perfect thing for them to do [TS]
00:35:52 ◼ ► but I don't have many hang ups about Google photos especially the ones where I'm paying for the storage because I feel [TS]
00:35:58 ◼ ► like that is a. I understand the relationship there. I give you money you start my photos. [TS]
00:36:05 ◼ ► And I love all the features they have for all their searching face that action and organization. [TS]
00:36:16 ◼ ► Because it's leveraging all of its machine learning all of its humongous server farms and whatnot. [TS]
00:36:30 ◼ ► but I'll probably be checking it out at some point or another with that said. What else is also Marco. [TS]
00:36:36 ◼ ► So our seconds bunch of this week is our friends the nicest people in the world really our friends at Studio need. [TS]
00:36:44 ◼ ► They're just they're such nice guys really I mean they genuinely nice people and they make really cool stuff so. [TS]
00:36:49 ◼ ► Studio neat dot com slash A.T.P. Is where you go to see all this cool stuff. Do you need to com slash A.T.P. [TS]
00:37:01 ◼ ► Because they're they're going to probably have a big rush for Father's Day if I can take a guess because their stuff [TS]
00:37:13 ◼ ► You know cool i Phone things on their stuff is cool stuff about drinks making drinks at home. Father's Day graduation. [TS]
00:37:19 ◼ ► Really big holidays for the kind of stuff they make they'll have a new app before I get their stuff they have a new app [TS]
00:37:33 ◼ ► When you download the app you can tap in the plus but on the home screen an ad from library. [TS]
00:37:37 ◼ ► And then you can actually find special cocktail recipes inspired by the three A.T.P. Hosts. [TS]
00:37:51 ◼ ► I love the stuff I have a lot of the stuff they have the glyph. Which is an i Phone. [TS]
00:37:58 ◼ ► Really great very very handy this came out a while ago they've updated a couple times since then [TS]
00:38:03 ◼ ► and the new one is adjustable so it can work with multiple phone generations most likely doesn't have the cars not [TS]
00:38:12 ◼ ► I've tried a bunch of the various stylize that exist for the touchscreens the cause [TS]
00:38:18 ◼ ► So good now their cocktail products are really interesting too they have the neat. [TS]
00:38:24 ◼ ► Ice kit and this is what we're talking about a lot last time I sponsored I believe. [TS]
00:38:35 ◼ ► That attempt to make clear I have various you know Kickstarter project and stuff and. [TS]
00:38:40 ◼ ► None of them have been have been as as nicely working and as easy to use as the neat ice kit which I also have [TS]
00:38:46 ◼ ► and it's just so much better. And it's. It's easy it's friendly you know it's the neat. [TS]
00:38:51 ◼ ► Ice kit is very very simple all you do is they have like this. This like cylinder of water that you put in the freezer. [TS]
00:39:03 ◼ ► And one half of it is cloudy and want to have that it's clear. And so you take the included. Chisel. [TS]
00:39:12 ◼ ► And then you have a perfectly clear ice cube you can then cut and shape whatever you want [TS]
00:39:24 ◼ ► I make simple Sarah Paula time I make simple serve in the summer mostly for my iced coffee recipe which I'll go into [TS]
00:39:30 ◼ ► somewhere simple syrup. You would think that making it without making it yourself without a custom kit. It's. [TS]
00:39:37 ◼ ► You know pretty straightforward you combine water and sugar and mix it up and put in the bottle somehow. [TS]
00:39:42 ◼ ► So you would think that part of it wouldn't be necessary. I cannot tell you how good says. [TS]
00:39:47 ◼ ► I was I was smiling the whole time I was and I was using it because it's like yeah. [TS]
00:39:50 ◼ ► You can make simple Sarah but out this. But there are parts of it that are annoying. [TS]
00:39:54 ◼ ► There are parts of it that are kind of hard. Kind of tricky to get right. And once you make it. [TS]
00:39:59 ◼ ► You still have to have some kind of container to put it in and pour it out of and really like. [TS]
00:40:06 ◼ ► They nailed it like every part of the simple serve kit. They completely. Knelt it. The. [TS]
00:40:12 ◼ ► Process of making it is simple they have. They have a little jar that's labeled perfectly for the ratios. [TS]
00:40:21 ◼ ► You can swish it around with that no utensils needed. The poor spout. That they have on this bottle is perfect. [TS]
00:40:27 ◼ ► It doesn't dribble it doesn't leak. You can shake it and nothing comes out. It does. Like it's. [TS]
00:40:32 ◼ ► They thought of everything. The bottle is exactly the right size to fit on any fridge else. [TS]
00:40:40 ◼ ► And they made it better so much so that I will never make simple syrup again without using their product like it's just [TS]
00:40:47 ◼ ► so good. This also makes a great gift. Holidays wedding gifts graduation Father's Day whatever you want. [TS]
00:40:53 ◼ ► This is great so check out studio neat. These are such cool things. They're just cool products made by cool people. [TS]
00:41:01 ◼ ► I've tried think I've tried most of their products now. Or even all of their products now. And they're all great. [TS]
00:41:11 ◼ ► Check it out really great stuff reasonably priced great gifts for Father's Day graduations birthdays whatever. [TS]
00:41:18 ◼ ► Studio dot com slash A.T.P. That studio neat. Dot com slash A.T.P. A newsgroup on code A.T.P. [TS]
00:41:26 ◼ ► For ten percent off anything in their store Thanks a lot once again the studio need for sponsoring our show we just [TS]
00:41:39 ◼ ► It's just very very well done and very clever and they had a blog post about it at some point [TS]
00:41:44 ◼ ► or another about how they did it and that's also very interesting so you should check that out. In other news. [TS]
00:41:49 ◼ ► So apparently we know what sort of all three is and in. It looks just like us B C. Not just like us P.C. [TS]
00:41:57 ◼ ► The difference of it will get through in a bit but yes. If you didn't think it was confusing enough. [TS]
00:42:05 ◼ ► Now we have two different things these same connector it's kind of like. We finally got rid of the U.S.B. [TS]
00:42:12 ◼ ► On the outside but a symmetrical in the insides you have tried three times to get it plugged in there right way. [TS]
00:42:21 ◼ ► and problems we've now swapped that for plug in this adapter. Plug it into the display It is a not work. [TS]
00:42:27 ◼ ► Oh there must be the Thunderball want to doesn't work with MacBook one try the other one plugs. [TS]
00:42:30 ◼ ► You have to tried two different things the plug in doesn't matter what you plug it in. [TS]
00:42:39 ◼ ► but it just a little bit frustrating that Apple I faced shipped machines with us P.C. [TS]
00:42:51 ◼ ► They'll be this weird machine that has a connector that's not a thunderbolt connector [TS]
00:42:55 ◼ ► but it looks like all the other machines that have a thunderbolt connector. Yeah it is a little bit weird. Yeah. [TS]
00:43:00 ◼ ► It does seem like kind of a kind of weird timing to have released the mac book one. [TS]
00:43:09 ◼ ► There was there was not like a massive pressure for them to release the MacBook one when they did you know. [TS]
00:43:27 ◼ ► When that will be available so it seems like they released the map a quote like six months too early. [TS]
00:43:32 ◼ ► Yeah the should have just made a Retina MacBook Air as we talked about that before [TS]
00:43:37 ◼ ► but now forget about who would like what machine better just in terms of product line planning and succession [TS]
00:43:43 ◼ ► It would have been better overall for everybody now to knowing what we now know about sky like availability [TS]
00:43:52 ◼ ► Not book errors like any exact form they are now same connector same everything same battery just put a retina screen [TS]
00:44:02 ◼ ► Abort more boring machine but then you'd have a clean transition from these with the old world. [TS]
00:44:06 ◼ ► Laptops and then hear the new ones and they all have the under-vote three and US P.C. Connectors and it's all uniform. [TS]
00:44:15 ◼ ► and more like this weird sort of transitional platypus things that as you know it. And like and. [TS]
00:44:24 ◼ ► You can't you can't tell the future is like all they should have known exactly what Intel's availability bit like the [TS]
00:44:29 ◼ ► schedule has slipped. When all these things were planned many months or years ago. [TS]
00:44:38 ◼ ► We'll get over it but as it happens on one schedule slip you end up doing strange things. And apparently this supports. [TS]
00:44:56 ◼ ► If you if you do enough tricks that is also one of them with to support a single five K. [TS]
00:45:00 ◼ ► Display or one cable and but the weird thing is they keep saying it's display part one point two not one point three [TS]
00:45:06 ◼ ► and I don't remember the limitations of the spec but the man. Does that that all fit together. A single five K. [TS]
00:45:12 ◼ ► Display over the spot I guess it's a good gang to display part one point two connections over the single cable right [TS]
00:45:18 ◼ ► like technically speaking that's what it's doing you don't have to have two wires connected anymore. [TS]
00:45:22 ◼ ► But under the covers do you imagine that it is basically to display part one point two channels. [TS]
00:45:27 ◼ ► That's certainly how that's how the little information we have about it that's how it reads to me. [TS]
00:45:32 ◼ ► If that's what it's doing that it is it is doing. Dual display port one point two is because it can do for K. [TS]
00:45:49 ◼ ► or the seventy's even like that someday they'll be one interconnect to rule everything that was there are some of the [TS]
00:45:56 ◼ ► Those of us who are around back before fire was actually a thing it was like I know you got all these connections in [TS]
00:46:01 ◼ ► the back of your mac. But there's one boss is going to do everything forget about us B.S. From I think he boards. [TS]
00:46:08 ◼ ► This Firewire thing because it's like peer to peer and daisy chain a bull and doesn't require the the van. [TS]
00:46:19 ◼ ► and it's serial instead of parallel the connectors are small they're easy to plug and unplug and. [TS]
00:46:25 ◼ ► but the slow consolidation of all the differently shaped holes in the sides of our computers into a single kind of. [TS]
00:46:33 ◼ ► There's only one kind of hole and we can have multiple ones of the minutes uniform and they can do everything. [TS]
00:46:38 ◼ ► That's what we're finally finally getting to and I think it was an incredibly wise. Smart forward looking. [TS]
00:46:45 ◼ ► Sorry move for Thunderbolt to to to do both of the things they did the first thing it did was we're not going to make a [TS]
00:46:52 ◼ ► new connection with under bolt we're going to take it back a mini display parkas by the way we support display so it's [TS]
00:46:57 ◼ ► like you can connect your drives but also your display and also kind of your docking station or whatever. [TS]
00:47:09 ◼ ► but the actual word for the little sucker fish a thing that stick on the side of a shark we're going to we're going to [TS]
00:47:24 ◼ ► But also your display and in fact both at once. And now it has found a much more attractive host. [TS]
00:47:32 ◼ ► It's delicious it's an awesome connector we love it were super jealous of that symmetrical connector it's smaller. [TS]
00:47:39 ◼ ► We get on that train and then finally we can legitimately have computers a just have one [TS]
00:47:49 ◼ ► Tech connector that literally does everything that the computer can do with a series of adapters [TS]
00:47:58 ◼ ► but it is the the future that we expected the only difference is it is not one magical bus instead it is one magical [TS]
00:48:05 ◼ ► wire. Over which we shove all the existing old stuff so Display Port is still going over there. [TS]
00:48:14 ◼ ► Express lanes for your graphics card every other stuff you have externally so it's. It's one cable. [TS]
00:48:23 ◼ ► and buses all going over that one cable which I guess is better than nothing is still not quite the you know from world [TS]
00:48:28 ◼ ► where we imagine everything would be speaking one protocol they'd all be jumping on this one big beautiful. [TS]
00:48:37 ◼ ► And it is definitely an improvement over what we have today which is you know a thunderbolt first of all. [TS]
00:48:48 ◼ ► As a physical port as a cable and better than Scotty. Yeah. But that's not a very high bar. [TS]
00:48:55 ◼ ► I would say it's also better than U.S.B. Taipei. Because it is smaller and next turn only asymmetrical. [TS]
00:49:00 ◼ ► Well it may be but it also doesn't feel like it's very securely inserted most of the time. [TS]
00:49:05 ◼ ► If you look at it can slide out partially very very easily. Whereas U.S.B. Has always been there pretty well. [TS]
00:49:14 ◼ ► Because I have you know there are some your speed type a thing to feel very secure [TS]
00:49:18 ◼ ► and some that feel looser get looser over time so I it's hard to tell that is a construction. [TS]
00:49:23 ◼ ► Thing or it's the fault of the port itself. I believe it's possible to have a secure feeling thunderbolt port. [TS]
00:49:41 ◼ ► and you know the kind of stuff you're plugging in there. Usually it's stuff like you know. [TS]
00:49:45 ◼ ► Advance driver raise or like like a network adapter for the laptop or something that. [TS]
00:49:50 ◼ ► It's things where you really don't want to just randomly fall out as you're using it like that would be inconvenient [TS]
00:49:57 ◼ ► or cause problems so it is always kind of makes me feel weird about it but us P.C. Really like locks in place of us P.C. [TS]
00:50:07 ◼ ► It does not at all have that problem as far as far as I can tell from my brief time with one so that I think is a [TS]
00:50:16 ◼ ► massive improvement. You know also now you know we have the five K. Issue. Fairly solved it looks like. [TS]
00:50:23 ◼ ► So that's that also helps. Again I think that you're right that the problem is now. The complexity of. [TS]
00:50:35 ◼ ► Seaport and there's no visual way to identify which is which and you're going to have that a U.S.B. [TS]
00:50:43 ◼ ► Because is it the thunderbolt three port need call it by the name of the highest speed bus the can run over a wire that [TS]
00:50:51 ◼ ► Like when when presume sky like mac for pros come out with sports whose connector is the shape of the U.S.B. [TS]
00:51:00 ◼ ► Type see connector. Well all those ports be called thunderbolt ports. Will be call them all U.S.B. Ports. [TS]
00:51:09 ◼ ► When to Display Port one point two things change to to display part one point three than you can have for four K. [TS]
00:51:17 ◼ ► It's still a thunderbolt three porters a thunderbolt three point one port like names becoming less it is just a wire [TS]
00:51:24 ◼ ► over which we multiplex all sorts of signals the standards and protocols of those signals advance over time. [TS]
00:51:34 ◼ ► But we just keep calling the middle what is called them. Ports. Like Mabel than just our grandkids a little bit like. [TS]
00:51:41 ◼ ► And how fast of the portfolio and it becomes less important to have a name for it I don't even know. [TS]
00:51:45 ◼ ► But it's going to make it very difficult for everybody not you know especially you know non super informed geeks like [TS]
00:51:54 ◼ ► But you know it's going to be a big problem for everybody where like OK I have a computer that has this port on it. [TS]
00:52:02 ◼ ► or I want to I want to know I I'm out of ports I want to buy a hub to give me more ports [TS]
00:52:07 ◼ ► and then have your devices stop working because it's us B.C. Hub and half your devices are vulnerable. Like. [TS]
00:52:11 ◼ ► And you know and you have no way to know that really ahead of time like things. Right now you can. [TS]
00:52:17 ◼ ► You can look at the ports that you haven't you can look at devices and cables and peripherals and hubs and you. [TS]
00:52:22 ◼ ► And you could you use no oh this is a. This is the shape or. I have two of those are my computer. [TS]
00:52:27 ◼ ► I can plug that into that and it will probably work. Use your skills learned on the shapes order when you're a toddler. [TS]
00:52:34 ◼ ► In this in this new world where we have this. We have one port. That is most likely going to be very common and. [TS]
00:52:44 ◼ ► There's already tons of cables and hubs and devices on the market for us P.C. Now. There's already tons of them. [TS]
00:52:53 ◼ ► And all those hubs that exist now that everyone is buying now at their mac book ones. They're going to. [TS]
00:52:58 ◼ ► You know in two years or so going to have that they're going to have a different laptop maybe [TS]
00:53:04 ◼ ► It's going to be a weird situation that I'm not I'm not sure is a good thing overall. [TS]
00:53:12 ◼ ► And as Intel has been pushing with the technologies that is trying to attach to skyll a car make part of the same sort [TS]
00:53:19 ◼ ► of push for new products. We talked about the past so is the whole idea of wireless connectivity. Which may be a. [TS]
00:53:26 ◼ ► And here yet maybe isn't up to snuff for Apple's standards yet but we're going to uniform. [TS]
00:53:34 ◼ ► Connector everywhere with different protocols but over it is an improvement over the status quo [TS]
00:53:37 ◼ ► and eventually you would imagine that the things that can be wireless sort of high speed high bandwidth near field. [TS]
00:53:55 ◼ ► You know sort of the dear old port thing that we talked about with that with the mac book one. That's not. [TS]
00:54:05 ◼ ► The good old five to ten years thing so I think this is a step up from where we were. [TS]
00:54:12 ◼ ► and what comes out of the other side of it is not a final unification on a single protocol on a single wire [TS]
00:54:17 ◼ ► but rather the slow deterioration of the wire is an important thing that you plug into your devices for anything other [TS]
00:54:24 ◼ ► than charge and we're already there with i OS devices were just convinced the entire world. [TS]
00:54:28 ◼ ► You don't plug in a thing into this thing except for a cable. To charge it. Everything else. [TS]
00:54:33 ◼ ► You do with it you do wirelessly. Even though that's not technically true you can plug all sorts of things into it. [TS]
00:54:38 ◼ ► I think people like the idea of the wireless stuff even has flake you know I'm reliable at it as it is now. [TS]
00:54:48 ◼ ► Future protocols that do similar things for displaying and you know doing doing air with air display with help Michael. [TS]
00:54:56 ◼ ► Airplay airplay and doing airplay over different protocols look at calling it airplay but whatever the weird. You know. [TS]
00:55:02 ◼ ► Wireless. High Definition display standard that Intel it comes up with several years from now. [TS]
00:55:09 ◼ ► Building that instead of doing it though Apple does it now with H two six or compression over. [TS]
00:55:14 ◼ ► Regular old wife I like that I think is the long term ends that of us but in the meantime. [TS]
00:55:25 ◼ ► but I'm excited about a new trash can MacPro with a bunch of thunderbolt three ports on the back whatever the hell you [TS]
00:55:32 ◼ ► want to call it like just the back of this machine will just be bristling with little tiny U.S.B. [TS]
00:55:36 ◼ ► Should three sit shaped holes. Even more than there are thunderbolt ports. And you'll have more capabilities. [TS]
00:55:42 ◼ ► And it will be less of a hassle to plug them into this is that the final point on Thunderbolt three. [TS]
00:55:49 ◼ ► They've finally seen the light on another thing which is the stupid Thunderball cables across a few bucks because they [TS]
00:55:55 ◼ ► have chips in the connectors and it makes the connectors really long like one inch. [TS]
00:55:58 ◼ ► One inch long stiff part they can't bend because that's where the chip isn't actually get warm and use them. [TS]
00:56:03 ◼ ► They have a standard for passive wires and. It only goes half the speed. Twenty to give it's instead of forty. [TS]
00:56:12 ◼ ► I'll take that right so basically for the for the current speed. That you have now. You can get cheap. Fly flexible. [TS]
00:56:21 ◼ ► Wires don't heat up when you use them with no chips in them. And you're twenty two you bit. [TS]
00:56:27 ◼ ► This is the fastest turn around time of ever seeing on a interconnect standard learning from all the mistakes the [TS]
00:56:32 ◼ ► previous iteration is entering extender made because first of all thunderbolt already have the version three. [TS]
00:56:47 ◼ ► While still pushing the envelope of like actually we have double that speed if you're going to use the chip connector [TS]
00:56:53 ◼ ► things are never so I'm really excited about next year's crop of Macs. One of which I am actually by. [TS]
00:57:06 ◼ ► Because there because they're attaching a thunderbolt to U.S.B. and. We know that Apple is very unlikely. [TS]
00:57:14 ◼ ► Extremely unlikely to ship to ship a computer where like you know these ports or U.S.B. Three by. These ports are U.S.B. [TS]
00:57:21 ◼ ► Two like they're going to go all out in one of the other thunderbolt requires direct P.C.I. [TS]
00:57:30 ◼ ► It's most likely I would imagine I don't know offhand I would imagine it's much more expensive to have a thunderbolt [TS]
00:57:39 ◼ ► It might not be possible to have more than two U.S.B. Sea ports on anything but a macro. [TS]
00:57:45 ◼ ► Just because of the chipset limitations. So like you know look look at the IMAX today. I Macs have four U.S.B. [TS]
00:57:51 ◼ ► Ports in the back. Are they going to have for us P.C. Ports on the next version. I kind of doubt it because I kind of. [TS]
00:58:04 ◼ ► I think their list of the chipsets like they were going to make one super low power one this is a lot of people writing [TS]
00:58:13 ◼ ► but anyway they're going have one low power chipset they can only support one of these ports. [TS]
00:58:20 ◼ ► but it is a true thunderbolt three Paul that does everything and you know it's for the mac book one class of machine [TS]
00:58:25 ◼ ► and it really only does support one so you can have a second one the like you said as well this one isn't thunderbolt I. [TS]
00:58:34 ◼ ► They didn't have that with the current mac book when they didn't have that problem. [TS]
00:58:38 ◼ ► but with a new one with under both Are you going to one hundred both report with this chipset. [TS]
00:58:42 ◼ ► Because that's all we have the lanes for and then you can have other like plain U.S.B. [TS]
00:58:45 ◼ ► Ports which Apple may or may not to within the next step up with the sort of better laptop things I think it was like. [TS]
00:58:52 ◼ ► Now you can have two Thunderbolts reports it. Did you know if that will qualify for the mac book air. [TS]
00:58:57 ◼ ► The mac book what I like to do we think that is machine is still going to be a thing. [TS]
00:59:03 ◼ ► Not without a retina screen I don't see that live I don't see a twenty six new iteration of the medical care coming in [TS]
00:59:08 ◼ ► twenty six being left about a retina screen it and I tire Lee convinced they're going to do that yet. But. But yeah. [TS]
00:59:15 ◼ ► You're right they will be faced with this problem especially for the I Am i could be I'm like you don't have the excuse [TS]
00:59:19 ◼ ► of like what. Then I could just basically put an internal hub. Inside there and have one of the. [TS]
00:59:25 ◼ ► Thunderball three things branching out into basically an internal U.S.B. Hub and you have one. [TS]
00:59:29 ◼ ► I mean this still face with the same problem you're going to have a bunch of connectors that are all shaped the same [TS]
00:59:37 ◼ ► and nobody can see back there because it's dark. Right. But if you swivel it toward you to light up. Oh God yeah. [TS]
00:59:45 ◼ ► and there plenty room inside the Imax to have five ports on the back of one of them is going to be like the good port.. [TS]
00:59:52 ◼ ► Like the thunderbolt port. And all the rest of them are going to be these are just plain old U.S.B. [TS]
01:00:01 ◼ ► Or just like I said they could have two Thunderbolts reports and then five. U.S.B. [TS]
01:00:09 ◼ ► Ports running off like a plain old U.S.B. Three control like me. Technologically this is all possible. [TS]
01:00:17 ◼ ► And on the back of the IMAX I think if you separated them even though the same shape if you separated them from each [TS]
01:00:24 ◼ ► and the other ones are even put them on separate sides of the machine I don't know. [TS]
01:00:31 ◼ ► Even if some of them are only differentiated by stenciled Stamboul symbol like a laser etched on to eleven am. [TS]
01:00:37 ◼ ► But I'm not entirely sure that that's what Apple's do on I would imagine Apple's going to put a smaller number of ports [TS]
01:00:52 ◼ ► and matching of things you're definitely looking at the wrong brand of computers. And the Metro. You know. [TS]
01:01:05 ◼ ► And that will just continue in its current form but the shape and size of the ports in the back will shrink. [TS]
01:01:12 ◼ ► On the macro that is the only model I can actually imagine and saying. These are all thunderbolt three parts. [TS]
01:01:22 ◼ ► Because by the hell not like they're also tiny there's so much stuff inside that computer. [TS]
01:01:27 ◼ ► It wouldn't be a big deal to do that and it would free up like the good reports for your crazy multi S.S.D. [TS]
01:01:41 ◼ ► An infinite time because I don't know that one terabyte as they really did. Give us mac new life I do not. [TS]
01:01:49 ◼ ► When I sit down of one of the computer now the only thing I notice is that you know. [TS]
01:01:55 ◼ ► I suspect you're going to keep using it until until it drops of support for the latest oh S. That would probably do it. [TS]
01:02:06 ◼ ► They haven't even been advancing that the first last US is of all. Not change the hardware requirements. [TS]
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01:05:48 ◼ ► From the late breaking a rumor the Seems like a lot less is going on then we thought that you know it's also you're [TS]
01:06:00 ◼ ► and software in things we're going to talk about in the late breaking stories in The New York Times is. [TS]
01:06:05 ◼ ► But seems like the final in a series of stories about the ever rumored Apple T.V. Replacement. [TS]
01:06:22 ◼ ► Dream is going to come true for everyone except are doing Monster because it's not an actual television set [TS]
01:06:27 ◼ ► and then the final one post of the New York Times shortly before you. Recording began it was looks like Apple T.V. [TS]
01:06:33 ◼ ► Dualities not going to devotee after all this follows on the previous story which is like looks like Apple's having [TS]
01:06:42 ◼ ► And they're like well even though the content deals they can release new hardware. [TS]
01:06:47 ◼ ► Still the new remote might be cool and they can was released Arbor now and then later on [TS]
01:06:55 ◼ ► Than they were just your hardware that you have would get better but if this rumors to be you believed. [TS]
01:07:00 ◼ ► No new Apple T.V. Hardware. No Apple T.V. S.T.K. Off the menu for W W C Again it seems like the past three years. [TS]
01:07:13 ◼ ► and well like this one was like All they did a price drop on the old one that means a new one is coming [TS]
01:07:19 ◼ ► and so I obviously entirely pessimistically believe these rumors of there will be level T.V. [TS]
01:07:24 ◼ ► I hope I'm wrong and I'm really excited and pleasantly surprised because my current Apple T.V. [TS]
01:07:28 ◼ ► Is flaking out big time and I've been I've switched to using Tivo for Netflix that's how far it's. It's gone. [TS]
01:07:34 ◼ ► So yeah let's what do you guys think about it you are you basically crossing off the Apple T.V. and Your heart's. Well. [TS]
01:07:43 ◼ ► Recommendation of Dan more and I think we talk about this on the show. So I got an Amazon Fire T.V. Stick and. [TS]
01:07:49 ◼ ► I love it. It is the first thing I turn to to do any sort of media consumption what I'm trying to do that at home or. [TS]
01:07:57 ◼ ► When I'm traveling if I choose to take it with me. It has been far more reliable than my Apple T.V. Has been. [TS]
01:08:08 ◼ ► Plaques actually exists on it which is wonderful and that works really well. So I rarely use my Apple T.V. [TS]
01:08:15 ◼ ► Anymore about the only thing I use it for is for air play like we were talking about earlier. And even then in a pinch. [TS]
01:08:23 ◼ ► I can do that using a really hacky third party app on the fire T.V. Stick. So I would love to see a new Apple T.V. [TS]
01:08:32 ◼ ► and See what they're going to do with it but I don't know I went from a loving my Apple T.V. [TS]
01:08:37 ◼ ► To kind of not really caring about it in the span of about a year now maybe this is all. Discovery D.S. Use Masquerier. [TS]
01:08:44 ◼ ► You know this is discovery the issues causing me to hate it and it's really not the Apple T.V. [TS]
01:08:52 ◼ ► In a while now marker you just posted something recently about yours. Not working for the millionth time is that right. [TS]
01:09:13 ◼ ► Like it's an A five a how this ship that was released in two thousand and eleven is now still in the non retina. [TS]
01:09:22 ◼ ► I Pad Mini was just a for sale. The current generation of i Pod Touch. Which is still for sale. [TS]
01:09:29 ◼ ► The current generation of the Apple T.V. Which is now. Also still for sale. The A five. [TS]
01:09:35 ◼ ► And we don't even know what the watching maybe the watch using a five is chip will not die. [TS]
01:09:40 ◼ ► And developers keep having to support it forever. But anyway. And I think. I think that's probably. Honestly. [TS]
01:09:56 ◼ ► and is just holding the company hostage now that that's why does no Apple two of all the things that are wrong with the [TS]
01:10:01 ◼ ► the current Apple T.V. Pock the the incredibly weak C.B. You have actually I think not one of them. [TS]
01:10:11 ◼ ► Video which is basically what's expected of a of a puck like device at this point. [TS]
01:10:16 ◼ ► And everything we complain about is bugs like it's not like oh everything is slow because C.P.U. [TS]
01:10:22 ◼ ► Is slow the response of ness is still OK as far as the thousand boxes go. When things work. [TS]
01:10:28 ◼ ► And so you know we just really do need a new pocket that like. And the reason. You know like what you say our door.. [TS]
01:10:37 ◼ ► But it's not us doing that it's Tim Cook and Apple. Speaking with the corporate voice saying. We still believe in T.V.. [TS]
01:10:44 ◼ ► Like they're not just like not saying anything and then just left us to figure out the i Pod touch isn't coming back [TS]
01:10:49 ◼ ► or whatever. Like they keep talking about T.V. and Like how they're still pursuing that and I think there's a. [TS]
01:10:58 ◼ ► Disruption and advancement whatever that like they keep talking about it so if you keep talking about it [TS]
01:11:03 ◼ ► and you're just a much like art So what are you talking about you talk about the stupid seventy nine dollars pocket we [TS]
01:11:06 ◼ ► all hate now because it's buggy and old and slow and getting worse with time instead of better [TS]
01:11:19 ◼ ► And one of the messages we really care about television and we're interested in the future television [TS]
01:11:27 ◼ ► Just keeping the same product around way past its prime and you know if you have done is drop the price. [TS]
01:11:33 ◼ ► Well you know I think it's very clear that they are you know there's so much smoke around. Around the there. [TS]
01:11:39 ◼ ► They are definitely working on some kind of major update to it. But it's just not done yet. [TS]
01:11:49 ◼ ► or whether everyone was mis picked in the long before I mean. Or it could come out like it was just a rumor but it. [TS]
01:11:57 ◼ ► We believe the New York Times story now we are completely prepared for there to be no Apple T.V. Well.. [TS]
01:12:02 ◼ ► It has everything about a controlled leak written all over it like this sure looks like Apple P.R. [TS]
01:12:08 ◼ ► This is a controlled leak no question so you know that I believe that it's been kicked out of the queue know whether it [TS]
01:12:15 ◼ ► was there or not in the first place we don't know whether this is heading as we taste is based on. [TS]
01:12:22 ◼ ► You know rumors and gotten out of hand and would disappoint people who knows doesn't matter. [TS]
01:12:26 ◼ ► The fact is I believe that I believe the thing to say it's not going to be there. Anyway. [TS]
01:12:36 ◼ ► Everyone always assumes that Apple has to release new platforms. At the B.B.C. That that will have S.T.K. [TS]
01:12:45 ◼ ► Look at the watch the watch was an entirely new platform. That has now. Many apps for it. [TS]
01:12:55 ◼ ► But you know it's all the entire watching it as DK was launched last November. With no event. [TS]
01:13:04 ◼ ► No no developer gatherings of any sort because the fact is. Do you do see holds about five thousand people. [TS]
01:13:15 ◼ ► So there never they can never satisfy everybody at these events so they have to do things online they have to have [TS]
01:13:21 ◼ ► these different systems and everything. So they can launch an Apple as an Apple T.V. With an S D K whatever they want. [TS]
01:13:26 ◼ ► They don't have to do it next week. So if. If something has slipped where it's not quite ideal. Timing for P.R. [TS]
01:13:32 ◼ ► Reasons like they're going to want to ship this device. Along with a really compelling. [TS]
01:13:39 ◼ ► Customer story a really compelling reason why people want to buy it. Besides. Hey we made a different box. [TS]
01:13:45 ◼ ► You know it runs the same crappy software that you're used to do you always need that reason though because I you know. [TS]
01:13:52 ◼ ► They released a new mac hardware. Without a new all Wes are any new capabilities like. This is what happens if you. [TS]
01:13:59 ◼ ► If you neglect your products into say well the Apple T.V. Have a spine like. There's something to be said for. [TS]
01:14:13 ◼ ► or less heat smaller size like just basic hardware advancement I'm not saying you do that every year for the Apple T.V. [TS]
01:14:22 ◼ ► That type of change you can't you can't put that off where you can't understand the like oh we want to have content [TS]
01:14:30 ◼ ► Like there's all these things that we see for the future of our little baby Apple T.V. [TS]
01:14:33 ◼ ► But if those things keep getting delayed for whatever reason that's fine but in the meantime. [TS]
01:14:38 ◼ ► It's OK just to do a hard rabbit and they did when they bonded to ten. But then they just said that's it. [TS]
01:14:45 ◼ ► Like like now they're being stubborn we're not going to touch anything until we have everything to show you. [TS]
01:14:55 ◼ ► and I can imagine some of those well why would we bother releasing that's like our headline feature. Like the S.T.K. [TS]
01:15:04 ◼ ► and you can actually use to watch like quote unquote real T.V. And it seems like they're saving it all up to. [TS]
01:15:09 ◼ ► You know imaginative but the watch management they said you know if we are not launching this without pulse ox. Right. [TS]
01:15:14 ◼ ► And the F.D.A. Thing is holding up fine we're just not going to go bold lay it for another year. [TS]
01:15:19 ◼ ► They didn't do that with the watch because it's seen as a much more important product in there was no existing one. [TS]
01:15:25 ◼ ► Is so long in the tooth that I just wish they would they know they don't have to pull back Book want to release [TS]
01:15:32 ◼ ► but like release the hardware that you know will work for your future software plants at this point. [TS]
01:15:40 ◼ ► And if the software is not ready for it like they should have if they had a contingency plan like this is just the new [TS]
01:15:45 ◼ ► hardware with the old software and yet now a lot of show time thing that you can pay loving dollars a month [TS]
01:15:58 ◼ ► So help sell this one for one forty nine or something maybe don't sell a lot of them. [TS]
01:16:01 ◼ ► but eventually you'll have a selling proposition or you can say oh if you have the new Apple T.V. [TS]
01:16:17 ◼ ► And the fact that Apple put out a new one and the reason for that is gets into a question I have or Casey is. [TS]
01:16:25 ◼ ► and I guess because it's really easy I just go and press the button and the kids are watching a movie. But now. [TS]
01:16:37 ◼ ► Yes I knew but I always assumed there would be some passable Apple device that I could use to watch it. [TS]
01:16:43 ◼ ► Because the kids want to watch a movie that we have purchased from i Tunes So Casey do you have a lot of i Tunes [TS]
01:16:52 ◼ ► I have a fair bit of i Tunes music purchases but those were already abandoned in favor Spotify. [TS]
01:16:58 ◼ ► I know for some people that works for some people that doesn't but that's what I've done. I have. [TS]
01:17:03 ◼ ► I don't know that I've ever purchased a movie on i Tunes I do have a couple of ultra violet move. [TS]
01:17:11 ◼ ► And that comes with a digital copy and you can typically redeem that in one of several pursue proprietary systems [TS]
01:17:30 ◼ ► Generally speaking what I'll do as a last word on Blu ray. And then I will rip it and stick it on my NASS using. [TS]
01:17:39 ◼ ► In order to get it so that it's accessible without the desk though if I were to sit down and watch a movie. [TS]
01:17:48 ◼ ► I would put in the Blu ray if I have it available which I know makes me weird in a lot of ways as your bouncing baby [TS]
01:17:55 ◼ ► You will find yourself in a similar situation to most parents which is gives one a large movie your service I'm not [TS]
01:18:02 ◼ ► Get a drip apply can have them show it watch it later you're going to you're going to pull up whatever you need to pull [TS]
01:18:06 ◼ ► up to buy the movie now and start watching it maybe a few that will be your Amazon. Whatever Fire T.V. Stick. [TS]
01:18:13 ◼ ► You know that that your impulse purchases of movies that you're not interested enough in to watch on Blu ray that you [TS]
01:18:19 ◼ ► want your kid to see and want to be always available. You'll buy them on the stick. [TS]
01:18:22 ◼ ► Rather than buying on the able to be but for us. We've already bought a ton of then awful T.V. [TS]
01:18:34 ◼ ► Those are important to me that I get the fancy Blu rays for but I'm just talking about like other random stuff [TS]
01:18:39 ◼ ► or even movies for myself like. I don't know just like a Marvel movie that I'm not that into. [TS]
01:18:47 ◼ ► and I've even done i Tunes rentals which I thought I would never do because they're so Expect. [TS]
01:18:53 ◼ ► And I have Netflix like why you renting a movie or my tunes is just were so unclear. [TS]
01:19:00 ◼ ► and if it's not available on streaming you're just going to you know what I mean just rented I turns. [TS]
01:19:04 ◼ ► Three ninety nine for two people to watch a movie it's way cheaper than going to movies. It's fine and then. [TS]
01:19:12 ◼ ► and the kids want to see it it's good that family movie than you rented twice should just bought it anyway. [TS]
01:19:16 ◼ ► So I know anyway the point is all of my movies are trapped in the i Tunes ecosystem so I desperately want Apple to at [TS]
01:19:24 ◼ ► and update the hardware so I can continue to watch the movies that I paid for because unlike music. [TS]
01:19:31 ◼ ► and put them someplace else to put in perspective just a few days ago I decided to buy the movie Sneakers from the [TS]
01:19:39 ◼ ► early ninety's and it did not even cross my mind to weaken i Tunes I mediately went to Amazon found a Blu ray [TS]
01:19:45 ◼ ► and shipped it to myself. That was the first thing I did I didn't even consider doing anything else. [TS]
01:19:49 ◼ ► Well you should get sneakers on Blu ray because at the Newport movie. I agree. It's a wonderful movie. [TS]
01:19:57 ◼ ► I don't know if I've seen or I might have seen it like. Back when it was back when it was current I might have seen it. [TS]
01:20:04 ◼ ► It's a great great movie have you seen wargames Marco. Yes. You're not completely without hope than says pot kettle. [TS]
01:20:14 ◼ ► After two thousand and two and all this was ninety two so you don't really have any excuses. Right exactly. [TS]
01:20:24 ◼ ► What else do you think is happening at the read every D.C. What are we getting on the watch. [TS]
01:20:34 ◼ ► and said Yes I don't know I mean I'm right now like I made my big post last week about like you know I have so many. [TS]
01:20:40 ◼ ► questions about the about the Apple Watch native S.T.K. We know that we're getting it like that's been confirmed. [TS]
01:20:45 ◼ ► So we know that we are getting the native watch as DK We don't know how limited it will be what it will [TS]
01:20:51 ◼ ► and won't be able to do what it will and won't be allowed to do by policy. There are so many questions on that. [TS]
01:21:03 ◼ ► But like I I have no idea from my point of view whether an overcast app will be possible. Whether it will not suck. [TS]
01:21:10 ◼ ► You know like I have whether it whether it's possible to make one of those and suck. I have no idea. [TS]
01:21:15 ◼ ► So I'm looking forward to it. It's very impressive to me it sounded very aggressive timing. [TS]
01:21:20 ◼ ► To have this already with so soon after the launch of the watch. But hey if they can do it. Great. [TS]
01:21:26 ◼ ► As a kind of weird that they pre-announced like I mean. I'm trying to think why why bother. Pre-announce and. [TS]
01:21:33 ◼ ► I read all kind of expected it was coming I want to save the surprise like it was so pressing that there was pressure [TS]
01:21:38 ◼ ► on them to have to say No seriously it's coming because they tell you they told us it was coming they said like this is [TS]
01:21:51 ◼ ► Would it have been slightly more exciting for them not to have confirmed shortly before they viewed as the way memory [TS]
01:21:59 ◼ ► Well the future is that you never do see it as exactly when you're going to see it why bother. [TS]
01:22:02 ◼ ► Spoiling that minor surprise. Yes sure but you know. Maybe maybe when they decided to say that publicly. [TS]
01:22:10 ◼ ► Which is what about a week ago when this item maybe that's also when they decided the Apple T.V. [TS]
01:22:15 ◼ ► Was going to make the cut. Or maybe they know I I hope they knew by then whether the Apple T.V. [TS]
01:22:19 ◼ ► Wasn't going to make the cut. And so maybe that was maybe this is kind of a two stage. P.R. Management move. [TS]
01:22:36 ◼ ► You know it used to be that Apple or keep every possible secret could even when everybody knew. [TS]
01:22:40 ◼ ► Like it so obvious they were going to do something they wouldn't say that. I mean and speaking of obvious. [TS]
01:22:46 ◼ ► I was nine and in a new version or Stan everyone I guess assumes that there was what they call exist. [TS]
01:22:51 ◼ ► Apple is has announced that maybe they probably have bikes come see what's new in the next version of i OS A know [TS]
01:23:03 ◼ ► They won't tell you what they're going to be called or names of the still a little bit of surprise there. [TS]
01:23:09 ◼ ► Do we think you know one of those things are going off the early scheduled we just assume there will be new major [TS]
01:23:14 ◼ ► versions of both of those they'll be there. Yeah. All right so now. What's in them. [TS]
01:23:19 ◼ ► What a survey by us not what is what is what characterizes I was like that's a tough thing I don't I don't know of any [TS]
01:23:28 ◼ ► low hanging fruit that. I really really really want to see changed. For the life me I can think of anything that. [TS]
01:23:42 ◼ ► You know taking watch style complications and putting them in the lock screen or perceived [TS]
01:23:49 ◼ ► I don't know maybe that's one of those things that once it arrives I'll be like oh yes I can't imagine not having this [TS]
01:24:02 ◼ ► I just feel like I want everything to be a little less buggy and a little more reliable and. [TS]
01:24:07 ◼ ► I don't know if I mean I was specifically I don't know if i mean i Cloud since I've been burned by that over the last [TS]
01:24:17 ◼ ► and I think that's what we're going to get I think we're going to get less whiz bang features than we do you generally [TS]
01:24:27 ◼ ► But I think that there will be a plus a public admission isn't the word I'm looking for [TS]
01:24:32 ◼ ► but a public statement that this is about tuning things up in cleaning things out. And what do you think Marco. [TS]
01:24:39 ◼ ► I'm mostly with you. I do think there. That there's a lot of stuff they could do to improve things user facing that. [TS]
01:24:46 ◼ ► That wouldn't be. You know totally of the blue like last year they introduce this amazing extension system. [TS]
01:24:53 ◼ ► There are still a few places verse engines could be useful and welcome. So possibly new extension points. [TS]
01:25:09 ◼ ► but very helpful things such as apps being able to launch specific extensions from specific people that would be nice [TS]
01:25:22 ◼ ► and really annoying that it doesn't fit the Apple Mail app could launch extensions that would be amazing. [TS]
01:25:29 ◼ ► So there's stuff like that there's a lot of enhanced Missa things we already have generally. [TS]
01:25:37 ◼ ► Lots of that stuff is what I'm looking forward to hoping for in addition to. You know the refinement. [TS]
01:25:43 ◼ ► I mean if you look. If you just look at what we're seeing over the last few days with the. The ten ten for bad. [TS]
01:25:55 ◼ ► I think based on what I've what I've read in the research I've done whatever else been saying. [TS]
01:26:01 ◼ ► I think that replacing discovery deal with the old reliable emptiness responder. Is going to solve. [TS]
01:26:08 ◼ ► More than half of the issues I face every day with Apple products where I agree I. [TS]
01:26:26 ◼ ► To me that the a lot of the issues you guys have like you had said Marco about your printer was constantly having And [TS]
01:26:41 ◼ ► but my gut tells me that some of these things that I can't really attribute what they're for like Apple T.V. [TS]
01:26:51 ◼ ► When I try to airplay to it I have to go over to it and turn it on and then half the time [TS]
01:27:01 ◼ ► Starting to wonder if a lot of these little kooky weird things that are starting to drive me up a wall are Discovery [TS]
01:27:09 ◼ ► You know I don't know how widespread these problems are because from what I've seen from all the reports on the nature [TS]
01:27:15 ◼ ► of the problems the make them so incredibly maddening is that they're sort of like a poisoning of your environment a. [TS]
01:27:21 ◼ ► lot of the fixes like look. Unplug your Apple T.V. Turn off your router. Shut everything down and then turn. [TS]
01:27:32 ◼ ► A feature of the new discovery do you think whatever are existing features of the various Apple devices of they will [TS]
01:27:37 ◼ ► hang onto mappings between MAC addresses and names and other stuff they will. They'll keep that information. [TS]
01:27:49 ◼ ► Off in the corner that you forgot about that's holding onto those poisoned addresses [TS]
01:27:53 ◼ ► and forcing your mac pick a different number whatever like I don't understand the details of it [TS]
01:28:02 ◼ ► or it's not just a local problem on your machine where some software that's behaving badly. [TS]
01:28:18 ◼ ► but it also means that I think there are a lot of people myself included who have never had any problems at all because [TS]
01:28:25 ◼ ► the poison has not seeped into our network for whatever reason. I remember when I had the loaner mac book at W.W. C. [TS]
01:28:33 ◼ ► Last year with Yosemite on it. I immediately saw the two three four numbers going up. [TS]
01:28:39 ◼ ► Just from using that can use machine alone by itself A W W D C C My number increase [TS]
01:28:43 ◼ ► and I'm like oh well that's a bug right. But when I got everything home on my home network. [TS]
01:28:51 ◼ ► and with the oh seventy my entire usage of Yosemite I haven't had any why five problems I haven't had any printing [TS]
01:29:00 ◼ ► I have seen the numbers every once in awhile but they've never gone over two or something so I don't know. [TS]
01:29:13 ◼ ► I don't know like an infestation of insect or somebody doesn't burn the house down and then. [TS]
01:29:28 ◼ ► and one who has spent a long time ago is ten remembers the complaints about M.D.'s responder being flaky [TS]
01:29:34 ◼ ► and installing old versions Amanda asked responder because the old version was better than the new version like that [TS]
01:29:39 ◼ ► that was the thing and many years past that and the as responder was a source of all sorts of bugs and stuff [TS]
01:29:47 ◼ ► and says look the reason M.D.'s responder was all buggy is because actually have the wrong design in the future [TS]
01:29:58 ◼ ► And then discovered is there queen's you to purge it gets a new name it does different things but. [TS]
01:30:02 ◼ ► But it's bugging it's got some terrible bugs in manifest in terrible ways and everybody hates it right. [TS]
01:30:06 ◼ ► And the wrong lesson to take from this is never try to radically change anything ever. [TS]
01:30:12 ◼ ► and those are the type of moves from A Chorus group that I want to see that's why I wrote an entire section about. [TS]
01:30:17 ◼ ► launch D. Which is a replacement for the a net. Program which is like old school Unix. How can your place in it. [TS]
01:30:24 ◼ ► Why would you get rid of that it works perfectly fine it's been around for decades part of free vs the M.B.'s the [TS]
01:30:29 ◼ ► and everything like you're going to get rid of a net you're going to replace it with what some weird thing that sort of [TS]
01:30:37 ◼ ► and triggers jobs based on device like on even know what you're doing here you're biting off more than you can chew [TS]
01:30:41 ◼ ► with second system syndrome. Launch these a stupid idea but I totally applaud launch day. That's why I wrote about it. [TS]
01:30:51 ◼ ► but once results running all your Macs now. That is a success. Discovery D. Not so much a success. [TS]
01:30:57 ◼ ► So I stoped Apple's core US group or whoever is responsible discovery keep doing things like Discovery Day. [TS]
01:31:09 ◼ ► They should not be resting on their laurels they should not accept the Unix underpinnings as a that they should always [TS]
01:31:19 ◼ ► Right underneath it one more thing I know it's not as unlikely. This is a release where we you know. [TS]
01:31:24 ◼ ► Focus on stability and make things nice involve law. You know and like Marco said. [TS]
01:31:29 ◼ ► In addition to doing all the usual stuff like a million bucks fixes and all the frameworks and small new features. [TS]
01:31:34 ◼ ► Stuff like that. This is kind of. Not so they did it on purpose as way but it is it is a beautiful symmetrical P.R. [TS]
01:31:42 ◼ ► Win for Apple because last year. We were all jazz a devilry see that look all new language. Crazy new awareness. [TS]
01:31:56 ◼ ► and there was an extensions like wow just stars in our eyes everything we always wanted from Apple. [TS]
01:32:01 ◼ ► This is great right. And this year. You know after the long year of bugs and weirdness and stuff like that this year. [TS]
01:32:13 ◼ ► and good feelings from developers by saying the exact opposite this year we're going to buckle down [TS]
01:32:17 ◼ ► and make everything better and everyone will applaud and applaud. Like they have that. [TS]
01:32:21 ◼ ► It's two totally different messages both years they're going to make developers happy and. [TS]
01:32:26 ◼ ► It's not like this evil plot to do it but it's like. That's what you have to do like. [TS]
01:32:33 ◼ ► Well they had to do was give them all the things they've been withholding for a long time. [TS]
01:32:40 ◼ ► And we're going to really buckle down and we're going to make this like a polishing your make everything better [TS]
01:32:45 ◼ ► and they'll get the exact amount of pauses they got last year. So that's totally what I expect to happen. [TS]
01:33:00 ◼ ► I can't imagine this year that they would say we're going even faster into the future [TS]
01:33:04 ◼ ► and I was not going to have more new features than I was a dozen It's going to be crazy because developers will be like [TS]
01:33:11 ◼ ► Can you just six the bugs in the framework that you have like this is one of those here. [TS]
01:33:14 ◼ ► And so I think the cycle is natural and just maybe exaggerated because of the huge bonanza last year [TS]
01:33:20 ◼ ► and what I imagine to be the sort of doubling down on reliability and refinement and polish this year. [TS]
01:33:32 ◼ ► Burden to to to to be a big part of like the wow factor this year so that I'll S. and Macko S. Can. [TS]
01:33:44 ◼ ► But they can they can like you know take a brief nap. While the watch does its thing and Apna. Well. [TS]
01:33:54 ◼ ► Yeah yeah that'll be nice like the watch. I'd also be fun to see the. The phone not be the hottest product of W.B.C. [TS]
01:34:02 ◼ ► How that affects the poor phones you go back had already like this used to be my comrades and I was I was this [TS]
01:34:09 ◼ ► and I was that and there have more sessions than we do a number on cares about the mac. [TS]
01:34:13 ◼ ► And now it's going to be like all the watches the new I guess the phone still belongs is like a like watch you get [TS]
01:34:17 ◼ ► nothing without mail your apps come from the south out of all the still work out. But and. [TS]
01:34:22 ◼ ► As for us ten people come at all they did ten ten. If they're going to change the X. [TS]
01:34:30 ◼ ► To an eleven or some bogus crap like that this would be the time to do it I don't know I don't I don't. [TS]
01:34:35 ◼ ► I don't think there's any pressure to rename the thing I think it will be ten eleven will be a different California [TS]
01:34:39 ◼ ► place name. What will be and it. I think they can get away with the same thing. Saying you know. Discovery deal loan. [TS]
01:34:47 ◼ ► Enough reason that people in their own would applaud if they emphasize that the new version of Office ten refine the [TS]
01:34:56 ◼ ► Tend to have something new like every year they have something they want to show you. [TS]
01:35:02 ◼ ► If they're like last year payback and I say it so much as I call extensions and share things and whatever [TS]
01:35:07 ◼ ► and you can you share a lot of the same code like it was. It was as a writer Mary view. To us is moving together. [TS]
01:35:13 ◼ ► Forward like we all have the same features the other hand off of the future that we share extensions is a future that [TS]
01:35:18 ◼ ► we share alike even though they manifest in different ways. The feature. The abilities are the same and. [TS]
01:35:24 ◼ ► They only make sense together. If I was nine says this is this is like a rebuilding polishing here. [TS]
01:35:33 ◼ ► Can you give us ten Peters at this point without them having problems and US nine. [TS]
01:35:39 ◼ ► I don't even know I can't out of an obviously in the file system whatever. But you know thing. [TS]
01:35:44 ◼ ► Like I'm not going to ever got it everywhere I go one year the Make a new alliance [TS]
01:35:48 ◼ ► or go now the other make a new file system I should just never bother going again because it's all downhill from there. [TS]
01:35:52 ◼ ► Or you should go every year. See what else they come up with. Yeah. No I mean like. [TS]
01:35:59 ◼ ► You know you have similar opportunities as you do with I.O.U.'s for things like enhanced means to the extension system. [TS]
01:36:10 ◼ ► Just stop right there is lots of room for little things that I mean a long time says as no one knows better than you [TS]
01:36:16 ◼ ► John. A lot of times with the oh S. Is the the big headlining features of macro S. [TS]
01:36:27 ◼ ► Like you know enhanced miss to like some of the basics to Master Builders O.-S. Features. [TS]
01:36:31 ◼ ► And then there's also a bunch of. You know underlying changes to to nice stuff for a new A.P.I. [TS]
01:36:39 ◼ ► This year like a couple of marketing features like in some of the built in apps or in Finder or something. [TS]
01:36:45 ◼ ► Not you know not like a really heavy duty kind of thing. And then just a whole bunch of A.P.I. [TS]
01:36:51 ◼ ► and Handsome and under the hood and refinements to extension the stuff like that. You know. [TS]
01:36:55 ◼ ► I'm not expecting big stuff if they do a new file system that would be amazing for you and for the show. [TS]
01:37:04 ◼ ► Yeah and I don't expect to be there so long people asking about the Follistim slab I didn't check last year schedule [TS]
01:37:12 ◼ ► I think so yeah like it's not the just there to talk about like you know how to use K.Q. [TS]
01:37:17 ◼ ► or Whatever to watch for file changes or the. You know all the different. Cocoa A.P.I. [TS]
01:37:22 ◼ ► Is for for monitoring file changes in dealing with extended actually use and how to copy fall I could just. [TS]
01:37:28 ◼ ► I think it's a standard thing to have every year so I did I read nothing into it I don't expect a new file system. [TS]
01:37:33 ◼ ► I never expect no files of them. So whatever. Whatever happened. I'm mad. It's just a simple. Hi. [TS]
01:37:48 ◼ ► We could kind of figure out what was coming with hardware based on what kind of got winks and nudges. [TS]
01:37:58 ◼ ► As the classic example of this and the only one I can think of of Tama head is the auto layout and size classes. [TS]
01:38:05 ◼ ► Work holier Lee indicating that you need to start as a developer thinking about sizes that aren't. The the. [TS]
01:38:15 ◼ ► And then the next thing you know the you know when that fall we got. I Phone six and six pause. [TS]
01:38:22 ◼ ► I thought I was thinking. As I was driving around earlier today. You know what is it that. [TS]
01:38:32 ◼ ► That indicates what new hardware might might bring and the thing that jumped to my mind was forced touch. [TS]
01:38:45 ◼ ► For the potential for force touch without tipping their hand the next i Phone will have forced touch [TS]
01:38:54 ◼ ► and Watch kit in so maybe what they'll do is there won't be any mention of it during W T C. [TS]
01:39:01 ◼ ► But when the time comes for this to be spreading across I.O.'s you it'll be a very similar looking A.P.I. [TS]
01:39:08 ◼ ► Hopefully that make sense so my question to you guys is is there anything you can think of that would be like the [TS]
01:39:20 ◼ ► and pieces for the big i Pad like that that code was in there for what it was in every way fate [TS]
01:39:44 ◼ ► and I with nano like wait a second I thought I was nine was a rebuilding year it's like. [TS]
01:39:47 ◼ ► Yeah but we've basically had features Iowa state it just wasn't ready didn't make the cut [TS]
01:39:55 ◼ ► Releasing that without telling you that they're also going to make a bigger i Pad air [TS]
01:40:00 ◼ ► and on phone the FOR SUCH THING I think you nailed it I think that will be the for such a POS for native watch things. [TS]
01:40:04 ◼ ► We all know for such as coming to other devices. When it does come a bit like a and it's the same A.B.I. [TS]
01:40:09 ◼ ► There used to from Watch get done and done. Well the only trick about that though.. [TS]
01:40:13 ◼ ► Is first of all I mean you know on the watch probably gonna be a really simple A.P.I. [TS]
01:40:20 ◼ ► The big trick it with that is that on the watch for structure is only the entire screen. [TS]
01:40:29 ◼ ► But that's not a limitation of the hardware that's how they've chosen that moment right.. [TS]
01:40:35 ◼ ► The forced touch is a positional thing it's basically an alternate click at wherever the mouse currently is on I.O.'s [TS]
01:40:46 ◼ ► I would expect for stocks and I was to also be positional the way it is on the mac. [TS]
01:40:51 ◼ ► So I would actually guess it has very little to do with the watch implementation. That being said it's also such a. [TS]
01:41:04 ◼ ► or another touch event you can respond to so that's the kind of thing that you know like like in previous years like. [TS]
01:41:11 ◼ ► Like when underscore or plus plus. He wrote that entire app. In like. Week. Because Apple Apple added the motion A.P.I.. [TS]
01:41:24 ◼ ► But you know that September when everyone the i Phones were announced it had the new M seven chip in them that. [TS]
01:41:29 ◼ ► when they added that so they could do the same thing this year where they could totally leave it out of everybody C. [TS]
01:41:35 ◼ ► and Just you know in September whenever they have the i Phone event. Announce it then release I.I.S. [TS]
01:41:40 ◼ ► Nine point one beta. With that and our nine point one G.M. Even with that and just have you submit apps within that. [TS]
01:41:47 ◼ ► Week or two that you have. And that. And that would be like they don't they don't really need to do it at this event. [TS]
01:41:53 ◼ ► You know I think those are the differences for the M seven it was maybe you were kind of hinting at this [TS]
01:41:58 ◼ ► but it was a very very simple A.P.I. Whereas like you had said. The forced touch A.P.I. [TS]
01:42:04 ◼ ► Well it's pretty simple on watch kit. That may be less simple. For when it hits I.O.'s and. [TS]
01:42:11 ◼ ► So I think that they could hold on to some things like the M seven and told the eleventh hour. [TS]
01:42:21 ◼ ► and science classes are a great example this. They had to at least tip their hat a little bit about it and. [TS]
01:42:32 ◼ ► You know what might we see in the what smoke might we see in the A.P.I. That indicates a fire coming this fall. [TS]
01:42:38 ◼ ► Well the two aspects of it one is like the different callbacks and delegate methods and event types or whatever [TS]
01:42:43 ◼ ► and they don't have to really reveal those but the other is you would imagine. When for such comes Tylwyth devices. [TS]
01:42:49 ◼ ► What will come with it is least a handful of places where the where you I could state of controls that is responsive to [TS]
01:43:02 ◼ ► or some existing control that for such as a function on because I also agree with Mark that I believe it will be [TS]
01:43:06 ◼ ► positional although I would be fun to have the toddler fist gesture for your i Pad [TS]
01:43:10 ◼ ► or that of smack the whole hand that holds your responses you know what I'm interpreting that like a watch forced touch [TS]
01:43:15 ◼ ► right wrist and whole screen. Like that should take you home or something you know about them anyway. [TS]
01:43:20 ◼ ► That type of thing where they're trying to show you what the hell because they're not going to force touch on their i [TS]
01:43:32 ◼ ► It's going to have uses in I.O.'s in native controls in the apps that Apple ships. [TS]
01:43:40 ◼ ► For the event and here the callbacks message that you can get for on the to be an end of these type of things [TS]
01:43:46 ◼ ► and positions and until it's the. But by the way. These native controls these particular things are these zero S. [TS]
01:43:59 ◼ ► You hook up your stuff to here to do that and by the way if they for such here it brings of the most desk which are. [TS]
01:44:04 ◼ ► And you may have to be ready for that could happen during the screen where previously couldn't stuff like that. [TS]
01:44:09 ◼ ► So I expect Apple to lead on the fourth touch and I was devices. And I think it can do that leaving without much. [TS]
01:44:18 ◼ ► Preannouncement of an A.P.I. Because I really do think that the vast majority of the new surface area of the A.P.I. [TS]
01:44:29 ◼ ► and everything else is like well in your own thing if you want to handle these events yourself this is a new kind of [TS]
01:44:41 ◼ ► You know about the max to like I I'm not that excited about force Tuck's I don't really see it changing things [TS]
01:44:49 ◼ ► dramatically for the better for much. I see where it was necessary. On the watch and it isn't great. [TS]
01:44:55 ◼ ► On the watch even but I can see why it's it's you look at the compromise where you have a very very small screen. [TS]
01:45:01 ◼ ► And not a lot of room for buttons or menus or anything so this is like the compromise of. [TS]
01:45:05 ◼ ► Well you don't have room for buttons and menus and your app so you can do the special jester in most places [TS]
01:45:11 ◼ ► and you'll get some additional options. On i OS devices though I think there's enough screen space and there's enough. [TS]
01:45:20 ◼ ► That you really don't need for stocks you really don't need like the secondary gesture. [TS]
01:45:28 ◼ ► and combos you can do in Iowa devices to do certain things that are almost nobody knows about. [TS]
01:45:32 ◼ ► And just serve to confuse people. I fear this might just be another one of those things like. [TS]
01:45:37 ◼ ► We we really don't need this ability to like basically right click everywhere and I.O.'s [TS]
01:45:47 ◼ ► It worries me a little bit seems like kind of a thing that is something cool that they figure out how to do in the [TS]
01:45:57 ◼ ► And it seems like it's going to be overused for a while in the short term and. You know. [TS]
01:46:01 ◼ ► But again I'm also a skeptic about forced talk from the MAC I also think that. You know it. [TS]
01:46:15 ◼ ► and is additional thing that does different things depending on what you click and how you click it just. [TS]
01:46:20 ◼ ► It seems to me. Forced talk seems like this kind of like. It seems like it's like Apple's fad of the year. [TS]
01:46:28 ◼ ► And I I don't like it as much as they seem to I think you're thinking of it too much as a binary thing I get is on the [TS]
01:46:34 ◼ ► watch. Because I know I don't know. I don't know what the limitations of the sensors. [TS]
01:46:38 ◼ ► But I can imagine on something the size of an i Pad or even a phone that the sensors can be better [TS]
01:46:45 ◼ ► and more sophisticated it stops being a binary thing where it's either you're tapping or you're forced touching [TS]
01:46:49 ◼ ► and it starts being how can we approximate pressure sensitive tablets or pressure sensitive finger presses. [TS]
01:46:55 ◼ ► To make a finger pointing up or a little kid can smash with their finger around and make thicker [TS]
01:46:58 ◼ ► and thicker lines with their finger is it sensitive enough to do that because again you have the position [TS]
01:47:02 ◼ ► and you have the force. It's just a question of whether the sensors have that kind of resolution. [TS]
01:47:07 ◼ ► No matter where you press on the thing if you stop thinking of it as a binary on off thing. It makes actually the. [TS]
01:47:13 ◼ ► Most sense on i OS devices on the watch is like yeah the whole services for such because it's. [TS]
01:47:17 ◼ ► You know it's too small for you to be precisely doing whatever it's a decision they made. [TS]
01:47:20 ◼ ► There may be limited by the size of the sensors they have to have on the mac. Same deal like it's your. [TS]
01:47:26 ◼ ► You're not writing on the screen you're not touching the screen it's this other thing or whatever. [TS]
01:47:34 ◼ ► Can Be think of it instead of instead of being for such Think of it as the screen is now pressure sensitive. [TS]
01:47:46 ◼ ► Different degrees of pressure not just on or off but a whole gradation of you know to fifty six. [TS]
01:47:53 ◼ ► Couple thousand levels of pressure depending on how sensitive they are for drawing apps for games. [TS]
01:47:59 ◼ ► Even for if they can come up with a control in the same way that the current standard controls for scrolling [TS]
01:48:07 ◼ ► And how how long your path is a a long slow swipe moves a thing differently than a short fast one [TS]
01:48:14 ◼ ► and tapping it stops it like those are all. Gestures where velocity is used as an interface element. [TS]
01:48:24 ◼ ► So if they can use a great nation and pressure to provide interface elements that behave. [TS]
01:48:29 ◼ ► Even more sort of in a way that is familiar to being under our fingers like it feels. [TS]
01:48:36 ◼ ► or new gestures that involve pressing a little bit harder a little bit lighter influencing how how things move [TS]
01:48:42 ◼ ► or maybe how much friction there is between your finger in the imaginary service that's being stimulated by the lights [TS]
01:48:46 ◼ ► under the screen. I'm a little bit more optimistic about it but I really all depends on. [TS]
01:48:51 ◼ ► I don't know the capabilities of what they consider there for such hardware ever really is binary. [TS]
01:48:56 ◼ ► And I still think they could use it to do stuff like in the interface and show the stupid home but [TS]
01:49:01 ◼ ► when you can tap a million different ways I don't know for a touch makes that worse or better [TS]
01:49:05 ◼ ► but it's clear the kind of overloading a lot of things with multi tap multi finger gestures I would probably trade. [TS]
01:49:16 ◼ ► But maybe that just makes it worse maybe they'll never give up things they those keep adding more [TS]
01:49:19 ◼ ► and more testers this is like a hard three finger force touch in the upper left corner and that would be crazy [TS]
01:49:25 ◼ ► but I'm really hoping that the capabilities. And the sensors they can fit in a device that size. [TS]
01:49:30 ◼ ► Have more capabilities and that it can finally be the sort of input device that reads different degrees of pressure [TS]
01:49:41 ◼ ► I think it does have a talk about how you can draw the signature with pressure sensitivity and stuff. [TS]
01:49:55 ◼ ► and it's a lot easier to do multi levels on the trackpad than it is to do on a big. I like on a big i Pad screen. [TS]
01:50:06 ◼ ► Does that register the same as pressing in the lower left corner with the exact same amount of force. [TS]
01:50:10 ◼ ► Maybe you need more than centers of the corners may need centers all around me many times I don't know the tech behind [TS]
01:50:15 ◼ ► it. You know. You would hope that it's going to be like one of those awake on tablets or whatever. [TS]
01:50:20 ◼ ► They put the pressure sensitivity of the pen which is the clever way around this entire problem [TS]
01:50:28 ◼ ► or causing a how to whatever the using to poke at there a capacitive touch screen. [TS]
01:50:38 ◼ ► and I was devices is a sure thing yet because if you look at the tear downs the way it works it basically puts string [TS]
01:50:45 ◼ ► gauges on the four corners of the of the glass surface that it's being put on glass. Flexes. When you push it. [TS]
01:50:56 ◼ ► You know the watches it wears glasses the fire it's a pretty small surface area and it's a pretty thick. [TS]
01:51:08 ◼ ► but it's also arc which helps the strength like the watch is like a like a like a tent that helps [TS]
01:51:16 ◼ ► when you see them in the store if you haven't you can see you can see the thickness of the glass like if you look on on [TS]
01:51:22 ◼ ► on the edge of the trackpad you can you notice that oh this is this is actually a visibly thick piece of glass. [TS]
01:51:29 ◼ ► That I'm pushing here and. If you think about the sizing the trackpad these for such trackpads are. [TS]
01:51:36 ◼ ► I think they're all smaller than the i Phone six Plus. And they're definitely smaller than. [TS]
01:51:41 ◼ ► I Pad So if you think about force text coming to Phones and i Pads. The the ratio of the thickness of the glass. [TS]
01:51:48 ◼ ► That covers Phones and i Pads to the relatively large surface area is very different it's much thinner. Glass. [TS]
01:51:56 ◼ ► Then than the for such trackpads or the Apple Watch green. And so I wonder then like. [TS]
01:52:01 ◼ ► Can you just put strangers on the corners of those things and have the natch. Like if you. [TS]
01:52:06 ◼ ► If you force touch in the middle of the display in a strange in all four corners. We are pretty far from them. [TS]
01:52:12 ◼ ► Will it be able to reliably like consider the the flexing of the glass or will that be a problem. [TS]
01:52:18 ◼ ► Not only will of course. My to be a problem for breaking the class. But that's another problem. [TS]
01:52:25 ◼ ► So I wonder if they really can do this for the say and i Pad Air or. If they do make a twelve inch i Pad at the. [TS]
01:52:33 ◼ ► The problem is even worse as the saying like rather than just the four corners may be all around the edges [TS]
01:52:41 ◼ ► or maybe you have to senses underneath the screen to do have way more room to work with than the watch so your OP I [TS]
01:52:46 ◼ ► magine you have more options. Especially on the i Pad but I think also on the phone. And on the phone. [TS]
01:52:59 ◼ ► but again I don't know they're there for such as a marketing term so it could be that they have several different [TS]
01:53:06 ◼ ► approaches to achieving this feature on the different devices and that's that's what I'm hoping for best case and. [TS]
01:53:22 ◼ ► Across people so that about apps the for years and it took forever to come to but I really do expect for such to come. [TS]
01:53:27 ◼ ► Even if it is the stupid Right click that nobody uses just because I think they have the room to use it. [TS]
01:53:38 ◼ ► or whatever they seem pretty convinced that it is an important thing that I mean the hell they brought to the macro. [TS]
01:53:51 ◼ ► So ever and of question are we seeing code samples in swift Objective C. or Both regular sessions. Both always both. [TS]
01:54:00 ◼ ► I was. Yeah. I would say. Knowing and knowing Apple. Knowing how they work. I would say it depends on the session. [TS]
01:54:08 ◼ ► You see him and C. Plus plus. I would say you're probably see one language per session. [TS]
01:54:14 ◼ ► But that will vary depending on like what framework. The the team is working on like. [TS]
01:54:19 ◼ ► What department they're going to feel like I expect to see slides or they say. And the A.P.I. Looks like this. [TS]
01:54:25 ◼ ► And again if you have to do to object or say looks like this which is a little ugly or the reverse [TS]
01:54:29 ◼ ► and the a palette like this and then switch to can look a little bit nicer like for the people who are on one side [TS]
01:54:33 ◼ ► or the other of like they're excited about how their A.B.I. Can be cleaner and swift. [TS]
01:54:44 ◼ ► and say oh by the way this is how it looks in the other. I think that will vary from presentation to presentation and. [TS]
01:54:49 ◼ ► In my experience. Apple does not speak with one voice. At doubled every D.C. when It comes to. [TS]
01:54:59 ◼ ► and teams have opinions about those opinions are expressed through. You know subtle. [TS]
01:55:11 ◼ ► So I fully expect that each individual presentation and framework and team will take a slightly different approach to. [TS]
01:55:27 ◼ ► and some of the next will be like will have a slant to the mix like you'll be able to tell is someone really excited [TS]
01:55:33 ◼ ► about how this looks and swifter than Lloyd. That that you can also do it in switching had to show you the slide to. [TS]
01:55:40 ◼ ► I think that is Swift is only one year old in the public eye and a lot of Apple hadn't seen it before we saw it. [TS]
01:55:50 ◼ ► And so like. People were speculating like oh well the watch native app S.T.K. Be swift only. [TS]
01:55:55 ◼ ► And technically there's no reason for that they might do a policy things that I doubt it but they might. [TS]
01:56:02 ◼ ► But there is technically no reason for that because the watch is older than Swift. [TS]
01:56:10 ◼ ► And so you know the the watch is code that runs on the watch that Apple wrote is almost certainly using very little [TS]
01:56:16 ◼ ► or no Swift. We also heard from a number of people that Apple's internal build system didn't even support swift as of. [TS]
01:56:31 ◼ ► and by the way the watch isn't technically older than Swift It is older than Swifts revelation to the wider Apple. [TS]
01:56:45 ◼ ► For the switch and everything is now Swift. It's going to keep happening slowly I am. I am though. [TS]
01:56:50 ◼ ► Very interested to see what. What Swift has become like you know what are nonsense do we see about swift next week. [TS]
01:56:57 ◼ ► You know how has it changed. They've done a number of revisions. Over the over the last year. [TS]
01:57:08 ◼ ► That are now it's next next week is that on Twitter like the officials with the count was like oh exciting things in [TS]
01:57:17 ◼ ► Being better I expect to see some silly performance bake off showing how much faster sort. [TS]
01:57:21 ◼ ► As become and maybe how much faster it is an object received and it had to last year they're going to have them again. [TS]
01:57:31 ◼ ► You know all of the crazy stuff they've added to swift to bridge the object of Sea World to all the sort of attributes [TS]
01:57:42 ◼ ► So here you can add to annotate all our objective see things in all our swift bridges so they all do the right things [TS]
01:57:53 ◼ ► They'll probably talk about how to do that how how to make your Objective C. A.P.I. [TS]
01:58:01 ◼ ► So I imagine of a loss actions about that but certainly Swift has advanced so much and it's one year of life. [TS]
01:58:10 ◼ ► To show off so I will be a lot of that of like look how much better Swift is now than it was before the come much [TS]
01:58:16 ◼ ► cooler playgrounds are here look at this demo of the thing you couldn't do in playgrounds for even though we all think [TS]
01:58:20 ◼ ► we've seen it all like haven't we seen a lot of stuff they've been releasing a version of us with all year like what is [TS]
01:58:25 ◼ ► there left to show us I imagine there is enough left to show to make for some fun demos [TS]
01:58:30 ◼ ► and there's also going to be enhancements the tools you know use you know some playgrounds. [TS]
01:58:34 ◼ ► There's almost certainly going to be X. Code wife ID bugging. Just for the watch the you can do native watch apps. [TS]
01:58:40 ◼ ► Stuff like that like there's going to be enhancements that thought to be exciting like oftentimes what you hear in the [TS]
01:58:55 ◼ ► and what you hear in the keynote because that's where the user talk about things like major Xcode improvements [TS]
01:59:04 ◼ ► Some look I was looking forward to all the stuff like even if there even if there aren't a lot of major headlining [TS]
01:59:09 ◼ ► features that are important to me. Every year Apple does. Really Useful things in the tools and the A.P.I. [TS]
01:59:25 ◼ ► Is that an appropriate to mean everything announcing it I guess if you can't develop for it. Maybe could drive it. [TS]
01:59:30 ◼ ► I'm going to say no car was world wide drivers' championship. Well. They had to have a had a Ferrari. W.C. Last year. [TS]
01:59:40 ◼ ► They did a yeah it was it was on the third floor. Somehow for. I don't know how to get there. [TS]
01:59:48 ◼ ► and I can go over in LOT lovingly stroke it in between sessions. Period so quickly. [TS]
01:59:52 ◼ ► I barely I feel like one picture of it on my blog touch and then we came out of recession it was gone. [TS]
01:59:57 ◼ ► Well can you imagine like you know a developer like Ridge you know the big bowl of Skittles in the afternoon than going [TS]
02:00:01 ◼ ► over to talk to the Ferrari like that's. Yeah that they don't want that come on. They can wash the car. [TS]
02:01:22 ◼ ► Which was the Velveeta shells and she has to like melted P.V.C. Plastic crap Mike and she is forever. [TS]
02:01:35 ◼ ► I don't even know what. What to say here because crafter back in she's has no taste. It doesn't taste like anything.. [TS]
02:01:43 ◼ ► Oh. In fairness a taste like salt keep in mind that I'm a super taster K.Z. So I don't have a problem. [TS]
02:01:52 ◼ ► It actually must suck to be a know it's great taste like a thousand Paris likes will tell you what we pair is in the [TS]
02:01:59 ◼ ► fruit. That's a reference. Don't worry about sort of know what kind of parrot has different pairs taste different. [TS]
02:02:09 ◼ ► You to have me doubting I shouldn't they shouldn't be able to make me doubt about my reference. [TS]
02:02:16 ◼ ► I genuinely obviously taste is completely subjective I'm not as much as I joke I'm not saying that you're wrong. [TS]
02:02:32 ◼ ► Like I can understand if you said well maybe the consistency of eat is not my thing or perhaps. [TS]
02:02:36 ◼ ► I don't maybe you just don't like the taste but with Kraft. It's like there's nothing to taste it's just they are. [TS]
02:02:51 ◼ ► I was not joking with the taste like melted plastic it has a weird plastic aftertaste which maybe you're not picking up [TS]
02:02:57 ◼ ► but it is definitely there right and it looks like it's Mel's liking to me it tastes like plastic. [TS]
02:03:04 ◼ ► The grass I can see is not high in our understanding of if you can pick your junk food. [TS]
02:03:09 ◼ ► I would not pick junk food that has a weird aftertaste is like the Lester potato chips like Just give me regular [TS]
02:03:14 ◼ ► pretentious Oh yeah it has a right to the regular voted ships. And this analogy is the craft one. Yeah. [TS]
02:03:29 ◼ ► and yeah I'd like it's like you understand I'm less bothered by people not liking Velveeta. [TS]
02:03:38 ◼ ► and cheese is so much tastier because it just doesn't taste like freakin anything. [TS]
02:03:45 ◼ ► That's what it is it's like it's not we're not moving craft up the Continuum to say this is like great food we're just [TS]
02:03:51 ◼ ► and by the way I had to go for it I was close to two hundred pairs in a million pairs not of thousands of I was right [TS]
02:03:56 ◼ ► in the middle or. I have no idea what you're talking about a Stillman had a bus pairs of the best pairs Also I don't. [TS]
02:04:02 ◼ ► I don't understand hard pair people. Yeah. I don't are they're hard pair people like. Yes I'll eat a hard pair. [TS]
02:04:11 ◼ ► But you think people who like don't like software like goes to software like a lot that I can handle it. [TS]
02:04:16 ◼ ► Yeah people who just basically tree Pears like apples and just buy them and they're solid as a rock. [TS]
02:04:25 ◼ ► They get it's like banana ripeness even using the variability in the rightness of bananas people are willing to eat [TS]
02:04:31 ◼ ► some people eat them super green where you feel like they're going to have a stomach ache some people weigh them to go [TS]
02:04:44 ◼ ► when it's way too hard because better than not having a pear and I will reject a pair when it's gone way too soft. [TS]
02:04:50 ◼ ► But I'm probably more towards your opinion of where the sweet spot as we're just definitely on the soft and. [TS]
02:04:56 ◼ ► I will I would rather not have a pair. Hard pair. Well there's hard and there is like. [TS]
02:05:01 ◼ ► I am having trouble by doing this you know like apples apples you can always buy Apple hardness I will eat the pair. [TS]
02:05:07 ◼ ► I will wait for a boss compare I will wait until it is almost a soft as a ripe avocado before eating it [TS]
02:05:15 ◼ ► and it is delicious that way. That's maybe a little too far for me. I just don't like Piers. [TS]
02:05:20 ◼ ► I have nothing to add to this conversation you don't like pears know what kind of person doesn't like pears what is [TS]
02:05:27 ◼ ► objectionable but do not like apples No I love apples. Like Paris What does objectional out them. [TS]
02:05:38 ◼ ► I just I don't care I don't care for Piers I don't know what you want me to say I just don't think they're very tasty [TS]
02:05:44 ◼ ► Plums or weird plums look like a gel fruit I can understand you being turned on her just like an apple [TS]
02:05:58 ◼ ► I never seen that kind peers you know they have a little like three texture on the outside. [TS]
02:06:02 ◼ ► I don't think it's ever seen a fairy pair. They're out there. Crazy right accidental food pod cast you know. [TS]
02:06:10 ◼ ► Well you started to know you did what you do you know his follow up that was fall from last week in your big [TS]
02:06:16 ◼ ► conversation talking about mac and cheese and and fast food chains and stuff I'm following up that. [TS]
02:06:27 ◼ ► I think I think Declan's teething and so I slept for like three or four hours yesterday and I want to die. [TS]
02:06:34 ◼ ► That's my sob story the day. I was potty training. I guess we're supposed to start that way. [TS]
02:06:52 ◼ ► You know the government I don't know what you know that come in the night and potty train your child if only [TS]