00:00:00 ◼ ► John anything bad happen in the last week and did like the world and order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► any other negativity or horrible result happened in the last week I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► things happened everywhere in the last week did anything happen to our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/10">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► that was really horrible I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/14">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► ok because what was missing from last episode just getting the modem thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/18">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► the beginning no no no no that was there to keep trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/27">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► what did what it was completely missing from last episode any mention of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/33">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► thing that I was most excited about it wud say no now they talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/39">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► release show like the production processes phone down oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/43">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► John this out and you have I don't know I just listened to the most reasonable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/47">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► that had a song I guess it had the modem beat that have the ending noise yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/52">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► we'll just sit here patiently know all the ads no those are there to hire well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/56">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► I guess we should do something up front in the show as you would in a follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/64">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► and we never have always have someone to talk about we haven't had a nun any data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/69">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► shows like where would I get it from especially when we were live I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/77">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► have notes in front of me so come now John we always have something to follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/81">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► up on a day when we are in macro last year so maybe something in the city but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/85">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► like certainly I didn't have a laptop in front of me know you guys had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/90">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► tremendous while it no I mean like last year the Macworld City oh yeah you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/94">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► had a tremendous will let you know my number with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/100">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► hey I'm speaking of all its and now we can say going to follow up the markets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/104">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► we all went to dinner at our dear friend Jason snowless house and we left that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/109">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► house we left jasons house in got onto the interstate highway freeway whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/118">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► california calls it and then you had an epiphany john would you like to tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/124">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► what that epiphany was had left my backpack at Jason's house and somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/129">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► pointed out to me I don't i genuinely don't member who was since I'm sorry to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► whomever that is that at two minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/138">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► excuse me two hours to minutes and 45 seconds you explain to us in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/142">TS</a>]
00:02:25 ◼ ► episode how you would never lose your backpack does not act like briefly yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/145">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► because he said you had no they lost to find lost you didn't know where it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► within Jason's how I did know where I was and wasn't Jason's house was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► correct in believing it was Jason South yes I did I ever wonder where this no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/158">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► did not I think it briefly no I knew was Jason's house I just thought it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/162">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► funny that for that it turns out that after declaring authoritative Lee that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/168">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► you would never ok yes you said lose but but I will take it you'll never leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/173">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► your money you will take it by changing the world that I said to wear that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/178">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► baskin that imagine the glory this is the internet this is how these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/182">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► work anyway I didn't even if I got all the way back to the city I would still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/186">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► have known exactly where that is true that is true maybe you have a case if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/193">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► knew exactly where it was and that knowing was I know where it is it's on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► the BART platform I would give you a strong case for lost at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/201">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► because even though I believe it to be on the BART platform would probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/205">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► but Jason is a slightly more trustworthy than average but you know i i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/210">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► the big picture here the lesson here is that had you owned a wallet that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/217">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► fit in your pocket you probably wouldn't have brought a backpack to this dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/222">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► and therefore it wouldn't have been a problem and it wouldn't have I probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► would have bought it I don't go anywhere it's like this towel another reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/231">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► you know get them go anywhere without Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/234">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► Casey read a book anyway yeah I'm like that with the backpack even if it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/237">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► like the a little battery pack in there to recharge my phone you never know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/242">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► big is the battery itself but I a lot of crap in there I think even in my bed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/246">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► there and remember honestly I'm not I'm not trying to make fun of you hear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/254">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► you do keep anything in your pants pockets my phone I mean I tried but six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/259">TS</a>]
00:04:26 ◼ ► is a little bit big to have in my pocket but generally me and my phone is on me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/266">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► and it's in my front pocket I don't like to sit down a lot with it in my front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/270">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► pocket like when I get in the car I tend to lose I take it out and put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/274">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► losing in the car but yeah basically my phone I guess make use if I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/280">TS</a>]
00:04:45 ◼ ► my keys if I'm going to go to the store and a backpack with a right so that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/285">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► get when I go to store something unusual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/290">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► but WBC is a different different experience like going out into space at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/293">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► its base it on a good season anyway I don't know where you're going to like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/299">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► agree I need to thank everyone who has sent me all the suggestions I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/306">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► slightly overwhelmed by the million possible choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/312">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► thing I know is I don't want one that makes your money visible on the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/315">TS</a>]
00:05:18 ◼ ► makes me uncomfortable yeah that's why I like the one that I have which is AUB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/318">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► wallet Yub I discontinued yeah and that's the thing is after we talked I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/323">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► was looking on should go ahead and order a new one cuz some of the elastic after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/328">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► last couple of years is kind of a fallen off or whatever and it was originally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► Kickstarter then I believe it was either an individual or company was selling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► outside of Kickstarter and I went looking to try to find it and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/340">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► not find it anymore and I'm really bummed about that because part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/345">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► beauty of the UB was that you had cards on either side of the wallet and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/347">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► there was like a little hobby if you will it's a terrible description but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/351">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► little slot where you could stick bills and it was I thought was very clever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/355">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► really liked it and now I have to go figure out what you by John and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/360">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► for myself because I don't know what to do now i cant get another you be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/366">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► are a lot of choices though seriously it's it's overwhelming how many did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/371">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► is not a new trend at this number of the million of them everybody loves the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/375">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► they have been a look at the mall Mike they all look very similar I feel like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/379">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► needed something I need to see in person I can be difficult to buy online just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/383">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► looking at pictures he got a kind of feel it has to push it is and it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/386">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► really is how nicely credit cards and so I don't know I personally can very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/390">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► happy with my slim wallet by a company called Koyo no slimy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/397">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► black outside with red inside look really cool and it's relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/402">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► inexpensive I guess what's the right now to sign up for $45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► and it's really nice I have been using it now for something like 45 years this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► is this is a non-starter for me though because it's a front pocket wallet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/418">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► that's just barbaric what makes it a front pocket wat you can keep it in any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/421">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► part of it is minimal front pocket while you know what makes it into words what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/425">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► makes it a front pocket it doesn't have one of those weird curves and anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/431">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► it's still a rectangle you put it in your back pocket it will have one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/434">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► field notes that is very true when do I just giving you a hard time about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/439">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► backpack thing just a define I am already envisioning all the emails and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/445">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► getting about how wrong I am and how right you are because anytime anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/449">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► doubts huge on the internet comes to that I'm sorry to ruin your fun with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/452">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► ultimately though you know the wallet is not your problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/456">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► the it's the contents of the wall but you have to fix yourself before you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/460">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► fix the wall it obviously you know taking stuff I know I now believe helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/465">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► so much is it is a very large files obviously forgot us let's not everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/470">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► would make it from the old haunts clearly right now it's alright well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/474">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► anyways what lol the entire internet wrote to tell us and we observed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/480">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► ourselves the WBC that the notes as written by Apple the back end is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/485">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► indeed iCloud is no longer IMAP thank you to the entire day the internet for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/492">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► for letting us know that because that is the case and as a one-time porting of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/498">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► your data I kind of like what do they do it there in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/502">TS</a>]
00:08:25 ◼ ► yosemite like you like a library I know something else anyway that the documents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/505">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► move to a club Dr a change the storage and I you know that there's a one-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/511">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► operation we say are you ready to move everything over to the new system once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/516">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► you do that you have two sets information one visible on the pre El [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/519">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► Capitan systems and one visible in the post in their divorce that for that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/523">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► any way so I'm very happy to hear that is not specifically case you said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/527">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► specifically its cloud kit which is which is worth noting because you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/531">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► cloud is an umbrella term has a fairly mixed reliability history is the sum of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/535">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► the parts of it were not that great but the Core Data Sync for the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/540">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► document storage people had problems whereas cloud kit based things including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/543">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► the new Photos app and a lot of absurd and since last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► tend to be pretty well regarded I don't think anybody has really had major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/552">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► problems like it so far and even even like any issue people inhabit the Photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/556">TS</a>]
00:09:21 ◼ ► app seem to be related to the locally running code and in the app itself not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/561">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► the cloud back at which seems pretty solid another follow up item I'm pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/567">TS</a>]
00:09:31 ◼ ► sure I said this to you in person and not a podcast is the problem not seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/571">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► each other in person using photos on the MacBook one and the Apple Store how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/575">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► did it go so I went to the Apple store finally to see it and that go and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/580">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► keyboard and I could tell by the keyboard now me you'll save that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/586">TS</a>]
00:09:48 ◼ ► later the short answer on the keyboard is my results were inconclusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/588">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► it also had photos on I was trying to make things you don't like it's a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/593">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► block and I do something like this heat up and I thought of you running the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► photos that surely that will make it heat up will grind away when it launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/601">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► and everything like that and the MacBook one has very wimpy CPU I have a look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/604">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► the specs but I'm going to guess that it's probably the same ballpark as my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/609">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► MacPro like maybe even slower possibly it might imperil attacks it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/614">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► certainly slower in single-threaded it it's roughly equivalent to Lake a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/619">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► think it was a 2011 era MacBook Air CPU right and that's what we have here we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/625">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► actually do run photos on the 2011 arafat's blackberry hear the fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/629">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► wearing now because I wanted to try it out to heat up the MacBook one and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/634">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► shocked by how incredibly fast and responsive everything was MacBook one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/642">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► using photos I did all the normal stuff it launched fairly quickly I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/647">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► through pose isolated on my favorite of them added keywords and keyword the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/652">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► selections of things like everything was instant and the only thing you think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► as their photo library was a course like two thousand photos and minus sixty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/659">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► thousand and I see the MacBook moon 12 that of eight gigs of ram yes and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/662">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► twice the RAM so I still don't quite know exactly what it is about behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/667">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► 2011 MacBook Air that is so brutalized by my best guess now is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/672">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► like me you know I imported from iPhoto said I am part of my photo assuming it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/676">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► shoved all-in edited into whatever it's using probably maybe a sequel a database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/680">TS</a>]
00:11:23 ◼ ► or something maybe all the operations I'm doing 'cause a database operation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/683">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► that takes a ton of time because my database is stuffed with everything it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/688">TS</a>]
00:11:31 ◼ ► and if I took all these photos out in re- imported them freshmen no metadata [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/691">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► it will be fast I don't know I'm not excusing that because like I basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/694">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► did you expect me to do I bought their program I use it to start my family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/698">TS</a>]
00:11:43 ◼ ► photos for years the new one came out I did the import process and imported my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/703">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► photos and everything is super duper slow so I'm disappointed but I have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/706">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► amount of hope seeing that it's it's obviously not CPU related I can't tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/711">TS</a>]
00:11:56 ◼ ► the brain related I'm hoping somehow things get faster in a future version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/716">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► because the experience of using photos and everything else that is actually not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/721">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► horrible excellent the other peaceful up we have and I think we're done is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/724">TS</a>]
00:12:11 ◼ ► keyboard track pad thing I S 900 name for that wiped not to type I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/731">TS</a>]
00:12:20 ◼ ► I think it was called QuickTime well whatever it's called whatever that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/740">TS</a>]
00:12:25 ◼ ► is it apparently does work on not only the six plus in the iOS 9 beta but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/745">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► serenity Caldwell friend of the show has a six that she put I was nine on and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/753">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► was working in on her phone as well which was slightly surprising to me not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/759">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► a bad thing of course but a little surprising though we should point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/763">TS</a>]
00:12:47 ◼ ► out as well are you guys running I was not on your carry phones you know who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/767">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► would do that some people to actually have a lot to do for a living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/771">TS</a>]
00:12:57 ◼ ► we don't 34 years ago I would have done that but know this I I have it on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/777">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► iPad which I hardly ever use and it keeps I keep coming back to it every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/781">TS</a>]
00:13:07 ◼ ► couple of days to do something on it and the battery is completely dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/787">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► my experience of my beloved Redknapp had many hi steven hack it is not quite that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/792">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► bad but it is certainly very slow it is certainly randomly rebooting and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/797">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► that because it did it says when you reboot you know you have to enter your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/803">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► and it definitely is not getting the battery life I'm used to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/808">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► getting however I do like it and I did use picture-in-picture when I was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/812">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► plane back from San Francisco I was watching the complications video while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/816">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► doing something else I don't recall specifically what and the picture in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/821">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► picture even on my now almost two year old iPad Mini was really really cool and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/825">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► it works reasonably well the only problem is that only works as with all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/831">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► these new features it only works with Apple apps early that's been my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/834">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► experience so far but all in all truth comes up in principle for iOS 91 thumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/838">TS</a>]
00:14:03 ◼ ► up for the beta so far our first bunch of this week is automatic automatic is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/843">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► connected car adapter that plugs into your car's diagnostic port and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/849">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► smartphone apps that you couldn't do cool stuff with this and agreed to over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/854">TS</a>]
00:14:18 ◼ ► 20 different apps to give you a better driving experience they've sponsors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/858">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► before a bunch of new stuff since then so what it's always been able to do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/862">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► you pair it with the automatic iPhone or Android app and then it can do a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/867">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► cool things it can diagnose your check engine light I can tell you in plain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/871">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► let you clear the area code of the temporary era like you let your gas cap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/877">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► open or something like that it can give you a log of your trips and your parking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/881">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► locations so you can track things like your fuel efficiency you can never lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/885">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► your car parking lot if you have an accident [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/889">TS</a>]
00:14:53 ◼ ► automatically call emergency services for you to help get you the help that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/893">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► you might need and then it can also evaluate your driving efficiency and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/896">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► gives you a score you can match your goals so that you can save money on gas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/901">TS</a>]
00:15:04 ◼ ► can really add up to big savings over time now they actually launched their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/904">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► own little app store for the car they have over 20 apps available and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/910">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► allows you to use your card data in all kinds of ways so just a few examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/914">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► here they have an app called concur with that you pull your troops easily into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/918">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► your expense reports so if you work at a company casey you know you might have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/922">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► do things like this they also have integration with if this then that ifttt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/927">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► which gives you the power to build all kinds of recipes based on your driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/931">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► recipes of course is an apt term for you know various workflows and triggers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/935">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► based on certain events or stats happen while you are driving they also have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/941">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► developer platform so that you you developers can build apps using the card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/946">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► as well as three level of data available for developers there's a REST API a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/951">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► real-time events apims streaming SDK the REST API is very very full featured it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/956">TS</a>]
00:16:01 ◼ ► has you can request drivers trip histories distance routes times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/961">TS</a>]
00:16:06 ◼ ► occasions miles per gallon and then you can even cooking launcher app on Heroku [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/966">TS</a>]
00:16:09 ◼ ► casey you can use your dinosaurs or whatever and make that work anyway go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/969">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► developers are match.com to learn more about that so anyway back to automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/974">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► device check it out whether you're a developer or not if you are a developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/978">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► this is a pretty cool way to do new stuff that you can only do without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/981">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► something like this if you're not developer check out to help improve your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/984">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► driving and to give you all the cool features too maybe to use some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/988">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► cool apps use some of the API's you some of the triggers or just look at your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/992">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► metrics and get your measurements of check your engine light stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/995">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► very cool stuff normally this is a hundred bucks but for us it's 20% off on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/998">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► match.com / ATP automatic dot com slash ATP or 20% off wings at two just 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:50 ◼ ► bucks that's free shipping in just two business days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1010">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► 45 day return policy and there is no subscription fee per month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► you don't have to pay like you know five bucks a month the service or whatever no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► you buy that you buy the automatic device up front for 80 bucks with our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► coupon code on match.com / ATP 80 bucks up front and that's it no monthly fee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► ships in 2 business days check it out Automattic com slash ATT thanks a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► right soon we should probably talk a little more about what was released in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► disgust at WBC to the best of our ability I don't know what is and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► isn't in da anymore as far as I know nothings in da right you can download of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► the WBC videos without logging in Apple's website so I think we could talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► about anything that is in the tub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► EDC videos excellent so with that in mind let's talk a little bit about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► state of the union and some of the stuff that's been making the rounds over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► last couple of days in the really nerdy developer circles specifically around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► bit codes so John you wanna come to give us an overview as to what this is first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► like after re-recorded episode of ABDC I realized that we didn't talk about bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► like oh my god I totally spaced on that day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► forget because we didn't have any notes that I was just sitting there and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:04 ◼ ► because we said we were going to cover the keynote and we went through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1084">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► keynote and because it was not in the keynote so that in itself is a sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► thing but what does what I was referring to before the announcement that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:16 ◼ ► most excited intrigued about WWC was that code in state of the union and for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1096">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► the rest of the week like boy I can't wait to learn more about bit code in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► sessions and I you know you can't go to all the sessions the multi-track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► conference I didn't go to all the sessions none of the sessions I went to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► mention the word bit code nor I believe that any of them have the word on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:38 ◼ ► slide however never met someone treating screenshots that the a planning session [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1118">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► that I did go to previously had been coding the description of the session in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:46 ◼ ► a bit later removed and having gone to the session I don't think that code was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1126">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► mentioned there either so that didn't tell me much of a bit but the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► was excited by it is in the state of the union [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► video that we will link in the shots because everybody can download it or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► the you know like anything was that it was going to be a way to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► processor agnostic platform agnostic error slightly more representation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► your application that would be optimized for the specific platform that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► downloaded for and this was an intriguing announced a big is it free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► developers out because it is great fodder for speculation about rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► right now and you submitted to the App Store you can pilot you build a release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► build you uploaded in some ways it in Xcode right I've never done this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► the regular way to do it is in that used to be like bill dunno build IPAs it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► uploaded their terrible web interface now you leave the terrible web interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► to go to Xcode to prepare the uploaded do it off there there's probably a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► to do without that kind of like advanced enterprise tools yet but i dont the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:58 ◼ ► almost everyone does it is there but anyway it doesn't release build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1198">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► optimizations enabled enabled and it uploads the result to Apple and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► obviously it's signed by Apple they do some other things with it but in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:13 ◼ ► expectation that the thing you built on your machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1213">TS</a>]
00:20:17 ◼ ► especially for Mac App Store it's like literally running on the thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1217">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► maybe less over iOS apps where you're always running in a simulator than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► do there were these building the Iranian that on your device or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► expectations the binary that you have made and tested is going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:31 ◼ ► binary today lands on people's computers in a binary is compiled binary targeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1231">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► a specific architecture you make for x86 64 you can make a farm 7 on 7s like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► sorts of processors you can target to limit the harbour you can go on but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► bottom line is you are creating a native binary executable that can run in iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► iOS 10 exactly as it is and if you were to do a 95 checks on well maybe not for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► the signing I tried to express the idea that like the thing to you to bog down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1255">TS</a>]
00:21:00 ◼ ► your device you make a release build put on your device you use it that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1260">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► same codes gonna be executing on somebody else's device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:06 ◼ ► when they download the app from the store but but notice saying we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1266">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► to build something that is not native code for any processor and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:16 ◼ ► we're gonna have on the store and at some point in the future I assume at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1276">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► down download but it really could be almost any time that code will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► converted to native code that is specifically optimized for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► happens to be running on the code itself is not new as part of LVM since I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:35 ◼ ► version two previously called a bytecode I don't know if it ever was by code or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1295">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► they're just differences have a stream format is made but either way it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:44 ◼ ► a binary compact binary representation of how the mir which is the intermediary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1304">TS</a>]
00:21:48 ◼ ► representation and backgrounds or somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1308">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► LDM originally was an acronym that stood for low-level virtual machine and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► I'll be encompassed a much larger project that that's kind of a misnomer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1316">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► at this point but the mir really is kind of assembly code for an imaginary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► processor with some vaguely idealized characteristics link to my sweater thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► I think I talked about LG mir and they're so big code is just the mir but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► instead of looking like texted is a compact representation if you can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► of compiling the code starting source code and it being transformed several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► times till then she ends up in a binary view my eyes slightly before it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► changed into machine code so they're saying we're going to turn your program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► at lvl IR code that I love the mir bitte code and that's what will have on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► store and when someone you don't know when it's going to take place I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► it's on down low but you could you could take that big coat and download whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► device and when they run to compile just in time for their particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► architecture I assume theyre gonna do when you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► so that's the technique oh just of what they're doing here then they didn't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► a lot about so we don't know when this is all going to take place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► code is going from every year mandatory for what native watch get apps is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► I believe that's right and it said optional for iOS apps for now and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► say anything about the Mac but I mean there is nothing technical that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► big code not able to work on the Mac or needs it would have to be mandatory in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► to watch the policy decisions you know the why is it mandatory to watch what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► the newest platform nobody has made a native app for the watch except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► Apple so it's not like it's a big changes they look this is just the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► it doesn't know what she's gonna say it but you really spills are gonna upload [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► but go to us and anyone else who gets it is going to get a a executable binary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► optimized for the particular piece of hardware heaven on so when they made his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► announcement keen on him in a bunch of silly tweets about how this could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► obvious rumors he has all my god this means RMX because if you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► change the application representation to be this thing that's not specific to any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► one processor and the optimized it on the fly then you can change the process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► architecture and anytime right and then you were just three compile the code for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► the new architecture so they get everyone on tobacco and they changed our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► max developers who need to rebuild their absent resubmit and you would need that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► binaries would just be everything has been code and then you download to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► Mac and turns it into an armed executable you download to your x86 XA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► executable that is the immediate fantasy rumor and people hear about that good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► unfortunately as fun as that would be to speculate about that's not really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► although it is kind of imaginary assembling for an imaginary processor it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► has things in it that are specific to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► and instruction set architecture it's not complete pin down but it's it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► the type of thing where you brothers up we're talking about the Indian this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► my research I determined that there is much more instruction set specific stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1495">TS</a>]
00:25:02 ◼ ► in elevator RRR than you would imagine it's not just a wealthy almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1502">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► completely presses are not to give him when we turned into a single we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► turn into machine code for any processor that seems not to be the case I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► trying to find out what what are the the nature and number of those things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:17 ◼ ► that you know what is it about all of you are that that spin down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1517">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► particular instruction set and how deep does it go to find any good examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► above looking up I'm looking at the album source code I realize I'm in over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:30 ◼ ► my head and understand if you are entertaining fantasy is a bit code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1530">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► meaning that if all routes are updated code they can change processes that any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► problems that as far as I can tell us absolutely not the case so that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► the hell does not exist if not for my fantasy scenario enabling our max guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► are many theories well I mean there's a lot of other optimizations they could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► like you know maybe maybe this will just help them first of all there's like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► better optimizations for the next step in I don't know quite how low level the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► big code is but I imagine is not just like a text version of assembly code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► like I imagine it's like a little bit higher than that so you know if if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► develop new optimizations for think for how to translate that into the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► language even within the same CPU family just over time to develop some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► coordination they can apply that to ABS more significantly probably they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► you know when when you move when you make a minor update within a CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► architecture you go like you know from you know army the 70 S two armed v70 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► whatever I don't know all those names in which ones are minor but you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► know like when Intel releases a new CPU with new streaming instructions new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► vector instructions like you know if there's a way for them to use it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► to richer actually optimized apps for new instructions and and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► that for four more minor CPU provisions that could be useful I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► useful that is a No as a percentage of overall performance and I i dont think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► don't see why this is worth the trouble yet and I think over time we will see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► what it's worth the trouble but right now it is not immediately apparent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► because you're I like the big changes would involve things like by order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► change his hair like that that's a that's a bigger problem and this can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► automatically deal with that properly because of the level at which by order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► assumptions happened just can't do it I think it's even deeper that even if even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► if you had architecture that the same by a daughter ldmi are still pins things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► down with a target architecture in mind because that representation is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► that the optimizer can work on it like it's marked up more than assembly would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► be like the thing that consumes LLVM IR and and outputs machine code it knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► much more about the structure of things to tell them you are sort of annotated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► with much more information that assembly would be to say to indicate you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► types and from whence bit of code came and you know what a function is and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:15 ◼ ► not just it's not just a nasty representation machine code far from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1695">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► so that's that's why God can optimize it in a way that you can't optimize if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► just had a smile and so now optimized thoughts observations you can't do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► play all the family did you just don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► enough about the meaning of the original programs like well this assembly does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:34 ◼ ► what it does I don't know if it's safe to make this transformation but the mir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1714">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► has more information before we get into like the worth the trouble I program to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► the trouble aspect of it interesting to think about why this is even possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► error thing is this is only possible if only feasible because Apple controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► that means of distribution for all iOS and watch applications setting aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1735">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► jailbreaking blah blah right that means that they can they can mandate this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► say guess what you're going to bed cover the watch right to take over the life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► and be they know where everybody's getting there was kidnapped from so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► the only source for watch kidnaps only ever has been code any benefits are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:21 ◼ ► talking about a second that might that they may have will benefit the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1761">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► platforms i well it'll benefit like I'm a cat in the Mac well benefit for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► down for the Mac App Store but people can put DMD is up on their websites that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► do or don't have been code in it so you know like you're not getting at events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► across the platform before I was no watch whatever benefits thing is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► it gets everywhere I have to go through conversion the watch will be big coat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► off all because from the beginning so it lots of interesting things become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► possible when all your software finals to a single point what's a good things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► and bad things and I think Apple's hoping this is one of the good things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► and bad things I think about big code what scares me as a developer you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► like a lot of developers and saying well this is gonna change my binary I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► worried about crashing and so that that's valid I'm not necessarily worried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► about that myself although that doesn't reduce an interesting problem of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► would then reel like you know if if this assay crashing on an iPhone 5s and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► don't have an iPhone 5s because now at all and you don't have it anymore I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► then you might have to go get an iPhone 5s Stephen reproduce the crash if you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► even be able to so that that's a problem at the minor 10 to meet the bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► problem here is if you look at you know what you mentioned earlier about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► developers want people to build their final binary ship it to Apple and ensure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► that it had that have that the devices said they know the final bits they built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► in reality that has never quite been the case because of code signing and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1856">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► though it's not technically part of the a binary it's an important enough part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► that every so often as I ran into its paper on time ago and as as still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► happens with somebody every few months every so often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► code signing breaks I Apple side and something goes wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► where absolute reach the App Store with invalid code signing by Apple and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► what happens to the user is they tack to open them and they appear to just crash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► immediately on lunch you see you might see the the launch default image but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► the most part they just crash on launch they appear to be at least in reality it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► just failing and exiting but every so often you have this problem is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► developer where your app crashes because Apple messed up while modifying it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► the way to the store but code is now giving them another way to do that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► it's another opportunity for things to go wrong that worries me is not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► that it could abstraction would be insufficiently tested that it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► optimization would go wrong what worries me is like now there's another step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► between me and the customers regardless of what that step is there's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► step that can cause problems when it breaks and I'm not even using if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► breaks me know these things break sometimes that is what is the big risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► here is like yet another thing that Apple's going to modify about my app on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► the way the customers that might occasionally go wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► yeah that's what developers are wary about is a loss of control like already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► you know you're not controlling year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► distributed doing so on several different technical perspective you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► always want to have the ability to have the exact same thing running customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► have even if you can actually communicate with them you you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► know you want too predictable chain of events and there's always parts that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► not really even though Xcode is running on your system you know the internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► compiler bug in a planned release of Xcode that holds your binary that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► somehow makes it run you know there's always bugs but adding more of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► things makes developers feel uncomfortable and its uncertainty like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► everything battling with code signing for tens of years now and address book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► crazy for a variety of reasons but this is a dozen other things I was gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► worse than code signing is in terms of things get the fight with I think it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► probably be better just because especially in the short term this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► just sort of stopping short of that final step targeting at this point a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► single architecture because they're only is one apple watch rights of their some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► runway for them to work out the kinks in this guide is like I don't know how it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► going to be at what you will know how can we built because when you up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► big go to the store it's going to convert to binary exactly the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► doesn't everybody has the same watches only one watch right so it's an ideal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► platform to test this out on what people are worried about is I tested on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► devices but like you said that when when compared with a five turns out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:55 ◼ ► optimizer do something bad on the 85 and crashes and I don't have an 85 device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2035">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► maybe that will happen with the binary but you're not entirely sure like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:03 ◼ ► example the compiler limited instruction that has better performance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2043">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► characteristics are revealed a bug or something on the 85 you wouldn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► that unless you ran it done at five so not having an 85 could be a problem in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► trying to think about why Apple would want to do this again basically ruling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► out of this makes it this makes us able to change processor architectures easley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► helps or hurts in that regard but it does change as mara said the minor parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► of the architecture they make their own chips essentially at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► different chip set of different vector units maybe they had an instruction here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► to maybe the they tweak something maybe they try to change one of their you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► underlying framework so libraries to do something smarter on the new the a 98 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► end of the day 11 of these things may seem like minor concerns but from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► Apple's perspective if if they do something with a call me a 10 and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► you know change around a bunch of things having to do with like number register [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► pipeline debt size of the vector units like newark new specialized instruction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► for a particular thing they're helpless to change all day or the millions I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► don't know how many out there on the App Store lots and lots of apps on the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► Store that are already compiled into machine code and there's nothing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► can do short of Megan developer saying hey Europe not so much would run faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► but he rapidly much kinder to our battery if you just reading pilot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:42 ◼ ► because actually all of this whatever cardio core image whatever like a DSP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2142">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► whatever little library using in your app if you can reach him pilot for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► a10 it would be much nicer for better or for the estuarine ps3 or whatever I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2154">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► thinking mostly in terms of battery life and performance because that's where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► and they have no leverage to do that so you know it's such a control freak is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► accompanied by like you know it makes their products but how can they convince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► a million developers to rebuild out they can't and people just keep downloading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► apps to keep slaughtering their batteries even though Apple has done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► this super hard work in a 98 any 11 or whatever SNSD's for to try to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► more battery efficient architecture and because they do control the means of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► distribution of all the apps like we've got all these absurd ago these binaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► but they're not taking advantage of all the hard work we're doing it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► watch it then a good bit code from day one they can be assured that it in a ps2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► and ps3 massively more battery efficient by tweaking the particular instructions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:43 ◼ ► that they have that they don't need developers to rebuild the route they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2203">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► will do it they will when they optimize the code to make the native binary for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► the s3 they will do the transformation that uses the new instructions that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► nice run the battery on the s3 so you're saying map but you didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► recompile that you never looked at but you just put in the store whatever your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► you know will do here and a lot of games with that would be the ideal case will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:07 ◼ ► suddenly be more battery efficient on the history without you having to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2227">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► anything that may seem like a minor thing but I think that is more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► enough reason for Apple to want to do this because that's exactly what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► want to do what I can only Apple do only Apple makes us on CPU is makes its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► content roles the distribution of all the applications like they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► complete package here and this is one of those things you can do and you had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► complete package and i think thats probably much more exciting for Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► than it is for us on the outside and I think a bowl is going to endure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2256">TS</a>]
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00:37:48 ◼ ► code signing the developers were under it because that's where the customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► are and that's where the money is and you gotta do what you gotta do but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► definitely think this is the most interesting and probably least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► understood including by me because Apple said nothing about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► announcement WABC I'm very interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► and learning more about it from anyone who's going to tell me about it now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► think you hit the nail on the head John that basically this is about keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► keeping their options open and Apple tends from what we can tell to like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► keep their options open so I'm curious to see like you said where where this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► goes in and if we'll ever hear of a time where where apple says which I doubt but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► you know hey this is all possible because a bit code you know we've all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:30 ◼ ► kind of realize that say iPad multitasking is possible because of auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2310">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► layout and and size classes and that's kind of been a wink and a nod from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► that has obviously cannot put it together but also indicated that so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► anxious to hear more about this as time goes on I know I want to even mention it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► again but like in terms of like oh future possibilities it's not so its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► future from Apple's perspective because the you know the a 90 s to the s3 VA 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2335">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► those are all real things inside Apple with like probably you know some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► probably done some have designed so if they're going to dinner with some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► instructions for battery efficiency doesn't directions already exist they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► already in that situation but they say when released yes to all of our watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► binaries are not going to take advantage of these great new instructions that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► we've added or tweaked or these new execution units are the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► registry layered or whatever because the machine code is already been built and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► the lips have already been rolled and the you know all that stuff like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► can't rely on the Rename registers do all the shuffling for us like that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► only we could rebuild all the watch by Ares take advantage of what we know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► going to be a great feature two or three because it's already done there to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► those features so from our perspective it's like a couple of possibilities from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► Apple's respective is we're doing this now because we know for sure because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► we're making the chips that we don't want a bunch of binaries built for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► s1 to be stuck in the store for years and years because we can't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► developers to read them and and I was again that the transition that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2398">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► and the Mac they're stuck in a situation where the bottom line is I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► what's most but certainly not all Mac software comes from the Mac App Store so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► I'm not sure where they're going to there but I guess this technology they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► could do it in the nightcap store they get there are doing and I was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► watch it just seems like it has less less than advantage then frankly don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► care that much seems problematic like you know when to rebuild your binaries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:26 ◼ ► to take it be there to make the CPUs Intel does and so they're not as privy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2426">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► to Intel's remember the art to the a line of processors I wonder also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► know how much of this is in response to in preparation for the world we live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:42 ◼ ► now to the back in the olden days you know 2008 2009 early to the App Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2442">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► Apple could announce any change really or lease any new hardware and very large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:53 ◼ ► portion of apps in the store would be updated within a reasonable time to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2453">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► account there to accommodate that they could release like you know the iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► developers adapted to that they eventually released you know even even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► if it is the iPhone 5 they would release a new screen size and most absurd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► updated relatively quickly to it but I think either seeing the rate of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► slowing down dramatically so now we have apps like the iPhone 6 is now almost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► year old and six plus there are almost a year old we're seeing apps from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► people who have other users but don't necessarily care about their apps like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► thanks we're seeing absolutely I I still have so many apps on my phone from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► companies that have player resources to update them that don't even run natively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► on the iPhone 63 still some of them were even adding other features like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► somebody said their bank support Apple may now but their apps till 2006 I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► the iPhone 6 green like it there are so many things and the way Apple usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► adds new features or new support ads is they build instead of compatibility mode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► with the apt scales to the new screen size or whatever the case may be or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► doesn't get the new features or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► and only absurd are built with the new SDK that are compiled against the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► SDK only they get the new features and they do this so that when you add 800 S [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► is a whole bunch of apps don't break the limitation the downside to this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► right now everyone's installing the beta of iOS nine on their iPad air to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► screen and none of the third party apps work yet because only third-party added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► built with the week old I was nine SDK and other somehow I now available to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► their customers which can't even used in the App Store it's only through test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► flight only those will be running in split screen mode and so you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► new feature and then when when this when I was nine and released this fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► presumably with a larger iPad also maybe the vast majority of iPad apps out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► are not gonna be compatible with these new features there they might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► compatible with the new iPad screen size and that hurts Apple it hurts Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► hardware ambitions and and there and pushing the roadmap forward and pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► the software SDK for it hurts them that so many apps are not being updated in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► reason amount of time to their new stuff so they have to come up with ways to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► increase the chances they can stop everyone in rather than right now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► ever going to opt out of new changes and so one of those things it auto layout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► one of those things is launched image story boards instead of just flat images [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► and maybe because part of that too and in what is probably a small way but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► has related to this is a big problem Apple faces in the app library these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:55 ◼ ► days and I see that only getting worse in the future as not only as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2635">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► economics of the App Store get harder but also as Apple seems to be increasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► the rate at which they are adding new device capabilities and a new screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► sizes and on the watch maybe when you know wacho s3 comes out next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:15 ◼ ► presumably you know the watch layout is so simple it's this kind of like staff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2655">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► view-based higher killing what you get in to watch layout wise you I was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► that if they added a new watch screen size next year or the this fall or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► spring whatever if they added new screen size to the watch they might be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:36 ◼ ► just popped everyone in they might not have to the default opt out in scale to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2676">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► some stupid stupid Blair illusion they might be able to just about everyone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► and it just works because apps are so limited in what they could do layout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► wise they've been beaten over the head and a woman watch kissing don't assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► the screen size and with things like bit code and also let you know that maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► this is all going towards that goal only time will tell but what else is also me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2696">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► status our second budget this week is Squarespace Squarespace build it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2702">TS</a>]
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00:45:11 ◼ ► hard to justify the building a website any other way for so many types of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► things so let's say you're building a site for yourself your you know you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► a blog a portfolio of your photographer get a photo portfolio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► my wife uses for that she loves it you know maybe you have a restaurant or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► business you want to cite for that if you want you know if you want to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► store where you sell t-shirts you can do that if you want to have you know a site [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2734">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► for a book or an album or whatever you can do all this with Squarespace there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► are so many kind of site you can make the Squarespace now I use a lot of tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► for building that's before and I can build my own website from scratch I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► how to run servers but in so many cases it's just not worth it even for geeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► like us it is so often just worth posting on Squarespace rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2756">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► setting up your own server somewhere or building your own CNS from scratch it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2760">TS</a>]
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00:46:30 ◼ ► remember one that's pretty impressive for a free service that size all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2790">TS</a>]
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00:46:40 ◼ ► every device every time the screen sizes change over time and as new things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► added squares pieces on top of it as I mentioned earlier if you want to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:50 ◼ ► store with commerce you can sell digital or physical goods it's all included in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2810">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► the platform so check all this out there so much you can do in Squarespace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2815">TS</a>]
00:46:58 ◼ ► everything is WYSIWYG what you see is what you get I don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2818">TS</a>]
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00:48:24 ◼ ► marco was not suggesting that allow your applications to run a different screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2904">TS</a>]
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00:48:43 ◼ ► size that might have a new CPU they can make your device and they can opt apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► into the new features are rather than the right now we're absolutely opt out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2927">TS</a>]
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00:48:57 ◼ ► to themselves like well what do you mean you know i phone SDK I guess here let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2937">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► let the state like it was you know it's everything was fixed size and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2941">TS</a>]
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00:49:11 ◼ ► flexible layout system that can lend itself to features likes but took a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2951">TS</a>]
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00:49:22 ◼ ► like keep in mind that screen sizes may change so we should do everything we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2962">TS</a>]
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00:49:48 ◼ ► the sessions are talking about the complications sizes and the graphics the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/2988">TS</a>]
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00:50:20 ◼ ► with a different watch size good app developers are going to want to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► pixel perfect size for the new watch size of because they don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► that watch size is they just have one kind of fall by Clay County use and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3028">TS</a>]
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00:50:36 ◼ ► than scaling the 38 to 42 size up but you know it's just so there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► things that just have to be fixed for the advice you doing particular our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► fantasy back on a day like everything will be better than it will look good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3045">TS</a>]
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00:50:53 ◼ ► when they're microscopic watch someone's got to sit in there with the individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► think of the new size having something scales better than nothing but your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3057">TS</a>]
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00:51:09 ◼ ► advantage of all the new features such as doing trying to do everything they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► can and because the harbourside about like under the covers we keep doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► bunch of crap down there and we hate the fact that you buy an area that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► haven't updated in two years it's gonna be plugged into people's phones because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3077">TS</a>]
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00:51:54 ◼ ► to the experience of developers then boxes bugs get fixed bugs even when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3114">TS</a>]
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00:52:06 ◼ ► try to convince someone that it's about his future is it about is it intended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3126">TS</a>]
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00:52:28 ◼ ► it's going to be open source later this year including support for Linux coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3148">TS</a>]
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00:53:04 ◼ ► a good language to it since it's a phone the server but anyway the whole reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3184">TS</a>]
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00:53:19 ◼ ► can't change they go to the browser they're going to change it's it's a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3199">TS</a>]
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00:53:27 ◼ ► have never played pandemic but I imagine this is what the game board looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3207">TS</a>]
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00:54:11 ◼ ► tensions I wanted to say nothing about support for Linux like we did talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3251">TS</a>]
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00:54:21 ◼ ► didn't talk about it but you just mentioned like that Apple said hey we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3261">TS</a>]
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00:54:48 ◼ ► open source something with the idea of you know we talked about his last show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3288">TS</a>]
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00:55:07 ◼ ► it isn't enough to show that it's everywhere it helps to have a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3307">TS</a>]
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00:55:15 ◼ ► the source code you can even build anywhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3315">TS</a>]
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00:55:23 ◼ ► Linux version you can compile and run on Linux and do some things on Linux both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3323">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► approved ourselves that we are correctly open source of things which they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► yet by the way it's like by the end of the year and two to show that it's real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► to show that is not like an empty political gesture the other possibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► is that and getting us into the you are potentially the more likely possibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► is that Apple has a bunch of service to and I'm pretty sure Apple servers aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► a bunch of exercise at this point and I'm sure Apple probably has more swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► code than any other corporation in the world to this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► pretty much guarantee that one would hope and they might want to run the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:06 ◼ ► code or the same libraries on both their clients which are iOS devices and Max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3366">TS</a>]
00:56:11 ◼ ► and their servers which presumably again are not exercise running OS 10 so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3371">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► Apple has Linux servers and Apple has devices that you know libraries that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► they may cancel if they can run these devices will be nice if they could run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► to left on the server because they actually happened to have servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► so I don't know the lineage of suggestions for Linux if it was always a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:31 ◼ ► thing inside Apple ever came out of the open-source effort but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3391">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► reason Apple has to offer Linux is for their own use open-source the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► source again as the biggest they want the language to be bigger than just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► company but Smith for Linux being a thing really makes me think that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► want to run at least one experiment with maybe not going to be a thing maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► won't work out or whatever but at the very least it's something I wanna try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:57 ◼ ► internally and it makes perfect sense to them because we talk about the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3417">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► browser if you're if your Google may make sense to run job jobs do anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► having libraries that running ever in the browsers and being able to deny me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► to duplicate that in this area side and if Apple has a bunch of libraries are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:14 ◼ ► everybody's phones did do some operation or whatever it would be nice not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3434">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► occurred on the server side so you can do both lines oversight so that is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► tinfoil hat very forceful for Linux and is not a good start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► Apple really ever do anything out of the goodness of their heart open sourcing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► closed pretty much as close as you can get because that you could argue like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► I'm sure they had to happen like this it really bad apple also yeah we'll have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► more eyes on swifter more people using it and if it's with becomes the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► really popular language and it's you know adopted everywhere that's good for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► us because we've become better the more people use it all of that is true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► the counter argument is well Objective C technically was not like Apple provider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► it really was the only one using it interesting and and that seemed to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► out fine for us it's not like we suffered by the world not hiking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► objectives the for us even though they could have been in theory so what's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► big deal so can be proprietary language we don't care of the world outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► really care about what happens to a person out there and that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► so the open source thing like that all the arguments against that eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► straight into altruism and you know sort of the newly discovered this new message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► at the bottom of Apple's press releases did you guys know that every day footer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► of a press release it used to be apple ignited the personal computer revolution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► with the Apple to a blah blah blah blah then they took up the Apple to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► about the Mac and iPhone and iPod likely changes like a paragraph of the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:47 ◼ ► every press release this claim to that capitalist and the current version I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3527">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► believe start to the Mac and iPhone iPad blah blah blah watch this watch anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/3530">TS</a>]
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01:10:46 ◼ ► once again she gonna hear you have thoughts about protocol extensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► extensions are great but the protocol oriented programming talk like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► always a couple of weird talks W ABC it like that are structured as narratives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► are they have a framing device sir you know there is one of them is like a sink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:03 ◼ ► single present their framing device was like a hypothetical discussion between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4263">TS</a>]
01:11:08 ◼ ► an old cranky programmer any young one and used to demonstrate something in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4268">TS</a>]
01:11:12 ◼ ► reason I find these interesting I was joking about jumping up finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4272">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► interesting because these are these talks W davis specifically these talks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► about like I'm going to tell you the way the way that we think you should use our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► language to make your programs better are aimed at an audience that's not me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► it's aimed at people who I was and Mac apps it seemed like a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► Objective C developers is aimed at people whose programming culture is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► very different than mine and so sometimes that means the message goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► past me and sometimes it means that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:47 ◼ ► they're trying to the context is practices that I don't have never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4307">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► and they're trying to persuade me as hard as they can to not do this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► that I think it's crazy would never do anyway or vice versa tell me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:59 ◼ ► something that seems a lien to me and then try to convince me that it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4319">TS</a>]
01:12:03 ◼ ► and so protocol extensions was trying to show all the sort of traps that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4323">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► run into an unexpected way but like you're used to doing this in Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► and used these problems are why Objective C is the way it is like why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► did the delegate parents all over Objective C well because inherited these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► problems and so on and so forth and a lot of the stuff this is the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4341">TS</a>]
01:12:24 ◼ ► gets a lot of the stuff both have you do a swift abject CN everything WABC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4344">TS</a>]
01:12:29 ◼ ► focuses heavily on types interviews a language that does not have as dynamic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4349">TS</a>]
01:12:36 ◼ ► typing for you don't worry about types you don't worry about matching types of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4356">TS</a>]
01:12:40 ◼ ► you know that's not even a thing a lot of the stuff that is super important to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4360">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► be able to deal with languages with types is irrelevant like it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► things people talk about the Gang of Four patterns book there was an article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► about it years ago when their parents were first came out someone had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:54 ◼ ► epiphany the parents but you know what a lot of this crap is totally irrelevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4374">TS</a>]
01:12:58 ◼ ► to me because I don't use C++ or Java Rio strongly typed language a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4378">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► these patterns exist so that you can make your program flexible its way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► maintains that type safety everywhere and you hope your language of them has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:09 ◼ ► that type that you like better makes no sense you know how to do that parents do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4389">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► this and I have to worry works all the time and I need some versions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► concrete and abstract implantation I don't I don't need protocol extensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► of the type smack of all the all the problems they described in the protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:23 ◼ ► extensions thing a lot of those just don't exist in languages like Java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4403">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► Script you don't have to worry about right maybe it'll be a problem or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► whatever so that's one aspect there in the second one is I am heartened to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:34 ◼ ► ideas from the crazy highfalutin mumbo-jumbo languages that I use and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4414">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► even from things from Pearl sex and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► filtering down to the troglodytes who use these languages the pointers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► edged I was myself by skipping over anyway the lower level languages and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► think the idea that was sort of from my perspective the idea that was buried in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4436">TS</a>]
01:14:00 ◼ ► the program and the profane language thing was the idea of traits which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4440">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► roles and perot pollens another a better managed alternative to sharing code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:13 ◼ ► sharing interfacing code without screwing with your inheritance hierarchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4453">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► without forcing data to be shared without doing all those so it was a talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► that just seemed very alien to me but everyone who saw who was in the correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► audience you know who was this talk was meant for them seem to like it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► seemed to open their eyes to the possibility of how they can program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► differently and swift and how swift attempts to solve problems the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:41 ◼ ► problems that objective see-saw but sort of skirting them Swift has a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4481">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► way to you to take sampras I hope people watch that session and come away with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:49 ◼ ► new ideas about how they can structure their programs to satisfy all their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4489">TS</a>]
01:14:52 ◼ ► their their languages that type constraints and new ways to share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4492">TS</a>]
01:14:57 ◼ ► functionality and interfaces without inheritance and without a million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4497">TS</a>]
01:15:03 ◼ ► delegates everywhere now this is one of those talks that I wasn't as well and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4503">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► enjoyed it a lot of the framing whatever was a little bit weird crusty the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► programmer I think was the was the character they used anyway the tacos are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► good but it's one of those that I feel like I need to go back and watch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► again because it didn't entirely sink in and I think that's partially because I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:29 ◼ ► to and not necessarily the right audience because I don't live in breathe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4529">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► objective see every day but there are a lot of things and I've said this about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:36 ◼ ► swift in the past there's a lot of things that they talked about but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4536">TS</a>]
01:15:41 ◼ ► wreaked of C sharp style implementations of the same idea like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4541">TS</a>]
01:15:48 ◼ ► extensions smelled a lot like extension methods to me and I'm sure they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4548">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► different in nuance ways that are not considering as on talking but but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:55 ◼ ► they seem very similar and so I think that I I'd like to rewatch this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4555">TS</a>]
01:16:01 ◼ ► apps consider what what what patterns I can applied even my see short code that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4561">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► that maybe I can I can be inspired by from the stalk but it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► interesting and and like I said earlier just about anyone who's seen it has said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► well that was really cool and then you should definitely see it and I i concur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► Marco any thoughts you're you're probably the target audience when anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:24 ◼ ► did you see this one I didn't do my homework of course like it to be fair I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4584">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► didn't do it since I got home I just happened to be in that talk when we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► there now i I have also heard from anybody that I have to see this talk and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:35 ◼ ► so it is on my list of stocks to watch but I have not watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4595">TS</a>]
01:16:39 ◼ ► extensions are separate from this pro car into the protocol extensions are are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4599">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► mostly extensions are like categories such as always had extensions protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► extensions allows you to extend protocols which previously you couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► do it you look at this with standard library and see all the different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:59 ◼ ► they had to do to make things that are like well this is a credible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4619">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► sortable list inherits from that and this conforms to this like to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► make just a basic types of like you know raising dictionaries and in certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► things that they want to work with other map and sort things again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:14 ◼ ► problems don't exist if you don't have types like well how can we have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4634">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► still works in generic form of that and that is trying to get away from all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► angle bracket teed generic thing that was making swift look all super ugly oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► good I hate those yeah well that and like the standard library so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► that's probably the biggest source of Cisco Cisco in the world at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► as far as we know is this with standard library so it's all that stuff all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► hatches and dictionaries and install that's all written in swift that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:43 ◼ ► standard library right and having map and filter and all those things work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4663">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► all different types and also on your extensions of those types and your sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► categories of times and also instructional method [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:55 ◼ ► it's really complicated and in writing this with standard library they ran into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4675">TS</a>]
01:18:00 ◼ ► all of the unassuming they ran to all the part of the ways to the language is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4680">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► making things annoying I mean anyone who's done any sort of large during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► program has inevitably found themselves in a situation where either you start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► wishing for multiple inheritance or the flip side you start using it and in both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:19 ◼ ► cases you have regrets but I need to be that needs to be that and really there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4699">TS</a>]
01:18:24 ◼ ► no way to arrange a hierarchy of this or that you have to have these multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4704">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► inheritance I want dismayed to override that over there but this needs to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► from over here like you make a mess you know you don't foresee anything yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► making a mess that's that's an auntie pattern that anyone in the auditory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► delivered experience I feel like Apple must have experience that during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► standard libraries like well we need everything to be sortable inequitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► and and we need them to to be able to be met from one thing to the other but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► know we want all the types to match up we want people to be able to extend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► pretend to have their extended version is also work with all the built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4735">TS</a>]
01:18:57 ◼ ► things and you end up it's really complicated problem and protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4737">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► extensions give them one more victory for sharing like they define these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► protocols that don't affect the inheritance hierarchy and then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:07 ◼ ► extend the protocol that everything that conforms to the Pro Bowl get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4747">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► extension is different in each category will I go now all instances in a string [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► of this method you have like all instances of things that are equitable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► had this new extension right and that's that is a powerful feature that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► a lot of people wanted with a sauce with mine and I think the people probably one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► of the most people writing this with standard library and I think the spot me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:29 ◼ ► 20 then the protocol oriented programming is like a particles period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4769">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► like you can share code by instead of just making a series of some classes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► making a big inherent hard you can have this this unit of Cody can have liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► you know Java interface that has no code and that's powerful and then you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:46 ◼ ► can share those implementation is an override them among any classes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4786">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► you're not it's not part of the inheritance hierarchy everything you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► conform to this protocol and then when somebody sends the protocol Dave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4796">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► enhanced all the things that I keep trying to use propolis the problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► they're their roles and classes consume them which sounds weird and gross but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► it's nice to have a distinctive word for it though everybody who consume this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► role I guess the advanced there there are no role extensions and pearl and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:13 ◼ ► was like oh why don't we have real extensions when I thought about it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4813">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► think it's probably because we don't need them because they were just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► you know where the hell you want we stick to his class we won with screw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► inheritance hard target run time it's the Wild West but anyway it's an awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► yeah it is it is it is pretty awesome it's better than Ruby Ruby the nixons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:38 ◼ ► here's some methods band there in your class groups that I over ate something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4838">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► roles at least when you when your class consumes them it will tell you if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► know a class class composition time it consumes the roles and it will tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► you can consume those roles they conflicting this this and this right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► rolls can also read make requirements of the classes that consume them you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► consume me but you need to implement method XY and Z otherwise you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► that having that happen in class composition time is way better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► review thing we just keep loading review modules until like the integer class I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► seventy people fighting over the method it's called like whatever inverter first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► or like happy birthday or whatever the people of seven it you know and it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► sound overwrite each other and it's a more formalized system of nine and heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► interfacing co-chair anyway cool stuff with two looks really good thing I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► honestly very loud I haven't slept yet because they keep adding these they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► changing things and they keep adding really cool things and honestly like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► if you have a large body of swift code that to me seems more like a liability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► at this point even though they have you know they have a some of the translation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► tools and everything but like I I would rather come to Swift with a totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► clean mind and no existing code once it has stabilized a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4916">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► your mind is entirely clear about that PHP in there but I don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► existing knowledge of Swift really the tourney this of any use I don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► like bill to any like swift assumptions or swift design habit I've already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► started getting into like so when I do start using swift it'll be from a clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:20 ◼ ► slate as if that was version 1.0 the language well it's nice to I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4940">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► people who have used with one and run into all these problems AV appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► finding that for you know a long time and smoke one it's great to see them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► do and be I think it will help you understand the features of language if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► you haven't fought with all the foibles of Swift won they may not be clear why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► certain features in swift to exist so I I think experiences is still useful but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► like what I want to get to the point you brought up of like this what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► strategy they said this from the very beginning of some business right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► Swift is there gonna make swift and we're going to change the language in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4976">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► ways that are just entirely incompatible with this with Cody right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► furthermore that's what Cody wrote last year that's not evening to compile any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► more like not only is you know as I okay well my app is written so far no its not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► if you want to ship your a pic an appearance with one case with one will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► not build in the new version of Mexico their entire strategy at this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► anyway is we will take your shift one coat encumbered with two and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► that's they've been saying that the start they don't guarantee source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► compatibility which means they're compiler 121 don't care about you so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► have to convert dismissed to which is very aggressive and like you know all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► the work they did with a compiler infrastructure and Xcode and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► integration between them and the static analyzer allows them to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► conversion thing that does this in a sensible way and does most of the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► of people still kind of annoying but I'm not entirely sure this is a long-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► strategy ok so swift 250 252 253 at a certain point sweet sixteens 217 are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5035">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► really going to invalidate what hope what Apple would hope is the millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► lines a sweet 16 code that are out there any changes with 17 notes that end at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► some point so I don't know what point that is but for now the policy is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► only embargo by to have been wasting your time writing in a language in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► teams that are going to change in the next episode comes out but you also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► the task of converting all of your cellphone ko dismissed to like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► even an option to keep the soft one cobra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:29 ◼ ► and I think that will continue until the language reaches the point where Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5069">TS</a>]
01:24:35 ◼ ► like alright this is settling down now will start to I hope the legendary like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5075">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► everyday language where we don't need validate your objective seek open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► Objective C 2.0 comes out when I started reading it vigorously we try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► encourage you to 2.0 the 64 bit run down to is 2.0 only blah blah blah blah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► your old code will keep building for a long time we did they didn't force you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► to constantly Converter convert all your code and i cant tobacco about us like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5095">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► change some of the key words like do became repeat like this change anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► they want and now do you mean something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► yeah now it now basically means try this try inside the do there's the there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► Yoda joke in there somewhere but I cannot get out that's a reference to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► something that starts record yes that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► dictionaries this is this is a thing to watch for when people think swiftest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► only sell them when they stop doing the things that they always said they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► going to do they just never said how long they going to do it just seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► something that is not sustainable long term but certainly for stuff 12 in next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► year's with three maybe four maybe five maybe five it sells them so that some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► the human eye on but anyway I love seeing this this aggressive strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► like not doing the old Microsoft thing about well you can't break people down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► and you can view their source code to compile records I can I get always did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► like no we're racing for assessing can you better come along for the ride but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:59 ◼ ► and that's great I mean like there are so many languages that get you know kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5159">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► of unfortunate crushed almost immediately after their lunch because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► they don't do that and because they have no developers instantly who really well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► you know we're not gonna we're not going to tolerate you breaking the code for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► this two month old language last last month and apples willing to say yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► we'll break it and we'll we'll try to make it easy on you by having his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► that it's going to end up being a really good language all likelihood I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► even even the stuff to changes in the changes they made since last year since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► one point out they did a number of a bit over the winter in the spring and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► they they change some pretty big things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► and now we know with with the officially officially named swift to which seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► kinda more like 1.5 whatever you know that they've made some really big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► improvements since 10 last year and yeah you're right it's going to slow down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► that's fine and I'm totally fine to jump on when it slows down and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5217">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► people are some of the chapters and it hurt a lot of people they don't you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► help direct the language with your input and and get used to it now and become an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► expert on it now and the answer to all those is no I don't like I feel he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► you know first of all I think there is there like this this division of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► programmers like there's people who are really into the tools for their own sake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► and the science of the tools and and the design of languages the design of tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► like the the the Art behind the language design and other people who who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► really care that just want to use it and they get satisfaction out of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► they built with it rather than this sort of the way to build them I'm the letter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► I do not care about languages really much at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:55 ◼ ► that's why I try to learn as a few languages as possible and and choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5275">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► truly deeply master them rather than exploring tons of languages come to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:05 ◼ ► out and being Shelly familiar with lots of them and and in some ways that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5285">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► hurt me I think overall I think I'm making the right decision for what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► trying to accomplish which is one person trying to write like complete absence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:19 ◼ ► and try to maintain complete absence the two non trivial things I I think my way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5299">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► is is better for that approach but there are so many people who care so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:30 ◼ ► about the language and how it's designed and what it can do and how it does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5310">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► that they are willing to jump on early and they're willing to tolerate all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► bums and the source code crashes and the changes in the new in the syntax and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► change in the idiom things they're willing to do that that's great we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► them to exist but only to be one of them and I'm fine with that and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► and they probably think I'm India but that's fine yeah I agree I don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► about being a trailblazer anymore and you've talked about this a lot Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► being a trailblazer when it's something that is important when money is riding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:12 ◼ ► on it that's just not my cup of tea I'd rather use the golden boring technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5352">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► not as old and boring as PHP or Perl but older technology that is well proven and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► actually works well and in occasionally I'll feel like something that's wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► on the side like my website for example node is reasonably stable as JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► frameworks that change every 10 seconds go as long as you in just a small you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► don't need to have a lot of memory but no problem but that's not something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► I'm really making any money off of it was silly little but right now I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► think I would be as keen on using node if this was the sort of thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► where money is is relying Roman is riding on what I'm doing so I'm with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► I don't I don't get the architecture astronaut like you know total no just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5396">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► don't get off on that like I used to when I was a kid is not my thing anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► pearl is far from barbara casey was not boring I would say the same thing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► PHP PHP is far from boring as perhaps the most exciting language ever made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► because terrifying every 6 share on but you only need the edge I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► wraps it up for this week thanks to our there is violence this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► automatic Squarespace and a clue and we will see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5436">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► language walk as the freezer looking for an architecture yeah I couldn't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► was thank you I will take you there are working on Java and PHP PHP ID so badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► infected by Java people just peanut butter I am a language I like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► language stuff anyone who knows about the existence of and loves pearl sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:58 ◼ ► definitely language I mean I don't have a problem with language 13 if such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5518">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► thing is how you describe it like I enjoy learning about swift but goodness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► what I would I never consider that using that at least right now I think he got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:15 ◼ ► hit the nail on the head that the right time you Swift is when the velocity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5535">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► Swift kind of calmed down a little bit maybe doesn't you know stop moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► forward or anything but it just comes down now is not that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► well now might be that time honestly evidence close to that time like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:32 ◼ ► next year like it so that we didn't talk about their anybody got all air handling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5552">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► stuff was there is a bunch of things were obviously missing one and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:40 ◼ ► them was had to deal with errors caused the in our brands and error and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5560">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► crap us like it did look it was it look like a and was a thing that existed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► fit in with the Objective C language and at getting all that stuff it wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► good fit so now you've got the whole don't really call it accepted it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► really an exception but kind of exception handling and Smith to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► filled the big gap obviously still on regular expressions maybe just cause of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► course County process gramercy you be done to save some for next year but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► like that and now people looking at stuff too it's alright what's left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:16 ◼ ► beside his mansion now the picture is becoming clear and in the final thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5596">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► that the thing is alright who's going to be the first to write a swift only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► framework or like to use West in in earnest so that like all the API's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► you're calling from Smith are you know you I could get things that were written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► originally Objective C and they tried so hard to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► so that you can do things in a swift away not knowing that there is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► that our parameters going in there like that's a lots of magic having to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► bridging those two worlds eventually decide what does if you to read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► framework now starting her sketches with what would that look like right we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5635">TS</a>]
01:34:00 ◼ ► know the answer to that but that's like the final piece of the puzzle after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5640">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► is just just a matter of time so too swift 2.5 the dawning of Swift three I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► think that is probably the sweet spot for maybe not for Marco but I think for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:14 ◼ ► most people doing you know you're not a one-person shop and you have to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5654">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► make decisions based on what you don't have people like this guy can go often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:21 ◼ ► he'll just let us with this year and will teach you the rest of us doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5661">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► have that option but that's a reasonable time frame if you want to be on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:29 ◼ ► cutting edge or younger are you coming in like say you're gonna write your very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5669">TS</a>]
01:34:32 ◼ ► first application and you're just that a school that's the perfect time to learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5672">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► so you don't know Objective C there's no point in becoming Objective C expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► right now but you might have read so Marcos decisions as always are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► necessarily applicable to everyone listening I know that's like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:49 ◼ ► somebody asked me on Twitter I think two to three years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5689">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► like you know I'm just starting out should I learned should I start with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:55 ◼ ► swift and I said yeah probably because I think if you're starting from scratch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5695">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► a year ago I I had a much more complicated well depends maybe this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:06 ◼ ► I'm saying almost certainly yes he's just like it you're starting from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5706">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► scratch now start there but you know but if you if you already are addictive see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:18 ◼ ► expert and you're trying to get a lot of work done quickly it's hard to justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5718">TS</a>]
01:35:22 ◼ ► making the transition right now as opposed to you know any year to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5722">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► back to your go experience like you had the same thing like well is it worth new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:31 ◼ ► language what are the benefits and yet to speculate what is going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5731">TS</a>]
01:35:36 ◼ ► the risk-reward like what what is expected benefit of me spending the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5736">TS</a>]
01:35:40 ◼ ► to use GoDaddy really make that much difference anyways the budget I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5740">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► fighting with language and I know that will end up with a bunch of bugs and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:46 ◼ ► think the go experiment worked out pretty well for you but we're going into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► don't know for sure I think the uncertainty about swift when it first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:53 ◼ ► came out was seriously a positive thing a really good thing they didn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5753">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► believe a few people who don't have a lot of experience with Apple like know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5757">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► their deadly see if it could still be a disaster like is still room for disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:05 ◼ ► but so far signs are good that is not going to be entirely disaster and apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5765">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► is very dedicated to talk about this show but we did the pre ww2 hey do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:16 ◼ ► think we're gonna see swift all the slides our objectives in swift and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5776">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► think I said I thought it would be a mix I think this is watc Apple tried very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► hard to make all their example you so if they they failed there were plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► sessions with Objective C in some or all the examples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► some of them were exclusively objective state but you could see the effort was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:36 ◼ ► like wow I'm surprised at the amount of Swiss time seeing and I'm shocked at how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5796">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► little objectives again Apple can do that you know top-down command control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:45 ◼ ► their conference but they're clearly signaled their intent to West is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5805">TS</a>]
01:36:50 ◼ ► future you know unless something super terrible happens in all the sessions I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5810">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► went to I only noticed one and I don't recall which one it was that actually an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:59 ◼ ► Objective C in it and everything else either had both or in more cases than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5819">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► not only had swift which was totally surprised me that it was that quick but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► you're right john that they're pushing it and they're pushing hard it is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:13 ◼ ► lol WC PDF censorship square brackets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:17 ◼ ► find out how many sessions actually had one of the ones at all or what's new in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5837">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► sprite kidder something some one of the sessions I went to seem to not have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► Swiss I'm just square brackets corrective like going back in time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:32 ◼ ► realize how how many positions are just like they don't even mention it is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5852">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► and share this code is this news that it's amazing that done it made a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► language suited for a new API with totally new idioms but still able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► call into all the old stuff with you know with all these conventions in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► this crazy market they're doing to dig the old adage derek's to Objective C C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► get uptight collection is mostly the benefits with so they could tell that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► year and as far as Slovenia strings and I don't have to like make it followed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► any object in this world right but hey even if you just an Objective C Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5878">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► you can use the new generics thing if you feel like it can make you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► better about knowing that you have a modernist objects inside array instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► of god knows what ya know that when when i when i saw that I was very happy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► that i mean again like I'm gonna start writing zip code in the next year to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► like with majority of my effort but you know until then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► and while I still have this fairly large agency code base that's very good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:32 ◼ ► have you know I can edit it became pretty clear that like almost every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5912">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► before that they were adding interesting features to Objective C and then when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► came out last year and they added busily nothing to do just to see the writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:50 ◼ ► seemed like it was on the wall that well I guess that's the end of the line with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5930">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► his progress and you know obviously I think we're we are close to the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:59 ◼ ► his language is progress but I think this is a nice little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5939">TS</a>]
01:39:02 ◼ ► ok well even though it was in the service of making swift interact better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5942">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► with this language this language still is improving and that is nice the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► they added to get to see before you know it exists existed almost all were also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► in hindsight we now realize why does arc exist you know that's the way memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► manager is done in swift instead of garbage collection like they like test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► beds for things that would be necessary in this with her even just like you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:30 ◼ ► to go just talked about how do we converse with 10 dismissed to coach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5970">TS</a>]
01:39:34 ◼ ► static analyzer LDM I think about all those things like this is great they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5974">TS</a>]
01:39:38 ◼ ► really enhancing Objective C you know you can draw a line through all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5978">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► changes and say this was all the heat makes possible and if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► you know some of it may have been happy accidents but numbers clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► intentionally like I'm doing this left but it's going to be revealed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► world as an Objective C / compiler feature so that's well keep in mind also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/5998">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► that Apple still has the vast majority of their couldn't get to see it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:10 ◼ ► even like I i mean we're even hearing like not that long ago that their build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6010">TS</a>]
01:40:14 ◼ ► system couldn't even include swiftly their standard build procedure couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► even do swift yet as a fairly recently it probably can now I assume but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:24 ◼ ► fact is like Apple has probably the largest collection of Seco the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6024">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► they anything the benefit to see benefits apple and you know this so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:40 ◼ ► justify that like anything that helps advocacy coding get more efficient and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6040">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► have fewer bugs they could have been doing for that and you know I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► is not say you sell the features like I have a skunk works project at seven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:53 ◼ ► people know about a new language I here's what the new language need this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6053">TS</a>]
01:40:57 ◼ ► cycle well ok how do you sell that well even in my new language ends up bus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6057">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► these are all great things are vigorously so we just do them anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► it's like I keep going keep going just how you strategically picked the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► you're going to enhance objective they all seem to end their garbage collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► which by the way is finally deprecated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:14 ◼ ► it wasn't already not not deprecated removed as in your you can't deny that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6074">TS</a>]
01:41:19 ◼ ► the runtime doesn't support it anymore I'm pretty sure either won't run or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6079">TS</a>]
01:41:23 ◼ ► can't build a new one or both of us at the end of the supported life of garbage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6083">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► collection has now arisen deprecated for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► right now we're also gonna programming more of it that's that's going on I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► just saying that though does that was this episode ever on some while we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► this and we always get angry and people people who have to endure it I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► what WABC is a conference for developers and we are old albert is even if not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSChvO4/6107">TS</a>]