510: The Ticcilympics (2024)
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Hello, and welcome to Connected, episode 510.
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My name is, I didn't know what number it was.
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I saw it was stalling while
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I was looking at the top of the document.
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It was good.
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It's pretty good, right?
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I'm your keynote chairman, Steven, that's me.
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That means I'm really good at a very specific game we play.
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It doesn't really matter.
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I'm joined by Annual Chairman Mike.
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He's very good at another game we play.
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Yeah, I'm good at predicting the year, it would seem.
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I just wanna let everybody know Federico is fine.
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We have OTJ here.
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Now, the reason I say this, hi, John, John Vois.
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Hello, how are you?
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Good to see you guys.
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Because we have set the rules,
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the triple J succession rules, right?
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That if one of us dies, right?
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Someone else will step in.
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So every time, if Federico's not here, but John's here,
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I feel like we have to make it clear
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that Federico's not dead.
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He's not dead.
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He's not dead.
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He's on a beach.
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He's on a beach.
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So John's here.
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Thank you for joining us, Mr. One True John.
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Well, thanks for having me, guys.
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It's always good to be here and chat with you guys.
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Yeah, gonna be good.
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We got some good stuff planned today.
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I should say, because I got derailed at the beginning,
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this episode is made possible by Ecamm, Fitbot, ExpressVPN.
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Thanks, guys.
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And John, John made this episode possible.
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Yeah, you guys wouldn't have a show
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if it weren't for me, obviously.
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I say that every week.
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I say that every week.
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Without the One True John, that'd be no show.
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John's like the air we breathe.
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The reason we get up in the morning.
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So that's probably going a little too far, Steven.
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Like, don't make it weird.
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Phil Schiller can't keep a job.
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Just eight days after it being announced
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that Apple would be taking an,
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what's the term, John, observatory role?
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What's the name of the board seat?
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Yeah, a board observer, really.
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A board server, if you will.
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Phil Schiller will not be taking that
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because Apple and Microsoft both
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have given up those board seats.
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So remember, I think we talked about last time,
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I know others did as well.
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I don't think we spoke about this a lot.
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I don't know.
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People know about it.
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It's out there.
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Okay, it's just weird follow up,
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where it's like, here's information
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about a news story we didn't discuss.
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It's follow up to the rest of the world, really.
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That both Microsoft and Apple had these roles
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because they both have partnerships,
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although very different partnerships with open AI.
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And both have given them up,
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potentially because of regulatory concern
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over big tech and AI and all of those things, who knows?
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But yeah, it's over.
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I wonder if he got to go to a meeting at all.
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Good question, I don't know.
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It's a weird story, right?
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I'm not sure I buy the regulatory thing,
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but this is not really that unusual in the corporate world,
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and it's not like Phil Schiller would have a right to vote
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on the board of open AI.
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He'd just be there kinda hanging out, right?
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And basically a babysitter for Sam Altman
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is essentially what I would have considered that role.
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But for whatever reason, they've decided
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that that wasn't a good idea.
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And companies generally don't like to do this kind of thing
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because you're there, you're discussing your secrets,
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and you don't wanna share that with the whole world.
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If these people aren't part of your company,
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why should they be there listening in
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on all your secret plans?
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So Phil doesn't get the dirt now.
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- I don't understand how this is a regulatory concern.
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- I don't either.
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- Because shouldn't it be more of a regulatory concern
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that Microsoft have invested tens of billions of dollars
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into this company, essentially owning their technology?
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Where Microsoft keeps doing,
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I don't know, there isn't a term for this yet,
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but this is happening so much more in Silicon Valley,
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these secret acquisitions.
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- Well, sure, but the FTC and the EU
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are already looking into open-ized deals
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with other companies.
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So the regulatory stuff is already happening.
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It's in the early stages.
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- I don't think this fixes it though,
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because this doesn't change the deals.
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All this means is they're not gonna be in the room
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with no vote.
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- That's why it's odd to me.
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- Look, Phil Schiller's very busy
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making everyone in Europe angry.
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And he just couldn't juggle it all.
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- He just wants us to think about the children, Steven,
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come on, let's all help the kids.
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So there you go.
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Follow up to a topic that maybe we didn't actually talk about
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but I thought we did.
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We did talk about Bluetooth having a funny name.
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And listener Matt wrote in talking about this.
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And back in 1997, Intel employee Jim Kardesh,
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I'm gonna pronounce that.
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- Kardesh was working with a special interest group
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which was forming a new wireless technology.
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Didn't have a name and he suggested the name Bluetooth.
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- Kardesh was inspired after speaking with Sven Matteson
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who was also on the SIG, the special interest group.
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Matteson was interested in Scandinavian history
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and had read about Harald Bluetooth,
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who was a king of Denmark and Norway in the ninth century.
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- The guys thought his reign was a great analogy
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for a technology that would unite devices
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the way that ye olde Bluetooth united the tribes of Denmark
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into a single kingdom.
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- The Bluetooth logo is made up of his two initials
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taken from the ancient runic alphabet in use at this time,
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which is why it has that very particular look,
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the Bluetooth logo.
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- And we don't have time to open that can of worms today,
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but yeah, runic alphabets are cool.
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- Steven, did you just do an ingenious Trojan horse
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inside of this episode?
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There's an ingenious slipped inside the envelope
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of connected this week.
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- Steven is very, Steven has gone pretty wild
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with the show document today.
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This is just part one of Steven's genius.
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But yes, if you like to hear us talk
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in that very specific way about weird things,
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you should go check out "Ungenious"
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which is a show that me and Steven do every two weeks
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where we pick a weird Wikipedia thing
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and share some information with you.
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- People in the discord are like,
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they're doing their ingenious voices,
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which we definitely do when we read those scripts.
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- I didn't know that and I don't like that that happens.
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- Yeah, you do it, you do it for sure.
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I think it's just the reading means we're faster.
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- Reading voices, yeah, reading voices.
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I think we have good reading voices,
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but they're still reading voices, you know?
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- Ivory 2.0 is out, an update to the really lovely
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Macedon client made from the folks behind
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rest in peace tweet bot.
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John, tell us a little bit about what's in Ivory 2.0.
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- So there are a couple of things here.
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There's a reworking of how the hashtags tab works.
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It's gonna let you create lists that contain
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up to four hashtags that you can follow, which is nice.
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I mean, I'm not really a hashtag person.
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I see that you have put some in here helpfully, Steven,
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like Relay 10 and OTJ Day.
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I didn't know there was such thing as OTJ Day,
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but if there is gonna be one, it ought to be today
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because here I am, right?
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In all my OTJ glory.
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So if you're a hashtag person, go for it, make your list.
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- This is one, like, I don't know,
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why did I think hashtags weren't even a thing in Macedon?
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- Because they're not very well surfaced in a lot of apps.
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And now they are, so maybe people,
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since so many people use Ivory, maybe they'll catch on,
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but it's probably not gonna catch on with me,
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just kind of spoiler.
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But the bigger feature here, I think,
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is a reworking of the share sheet.
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So it's just a lot nicer.
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I mean, it's easy to get to the controls
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for how public your post is gonna be,
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to get to the language, to see a little preview
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of the link that you're sharing,
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if you're sharing a link, that sort of thing.
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It's a very nice design and works really well
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in my experience.
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- What is, wait, what's the share sheet?
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- So in the iOS share sheet, so if you're like on the web
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and you decide you wanna share a link to a webpage
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or something, for instance, on Macedon.
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- When people say share sheet, I think of like
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where you get all your apps and your people,
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like the iOS system.
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- Oh, I see what you're saying.
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- You know what I mean?
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Like I'm sharing a post inside of Ivory,
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but no, this is like, okay, it's from the share sheet.
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Like if I'm on a website-- - It's a share extension.
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- Share extension, yeah. - It's a share extension
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inside of other apps.
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Right, right, right.
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So that's been reworked, much better design now.
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So I'll say again, this is another feature
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that I don't use a lot.
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For whatever reason, when I post something on Macedon,
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like a link or something, I tend to copy it
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and then just go into Ivory.
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- Yeah, me too, I'm not sure if that makes us old,
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but yeah, I feel like I wanna-- - Probably.
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- I wanna be in the app, like doing the thing
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and then posting it, you know what I mean?
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- First, you gotta go to your Google and you know,
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you gotta go to Google-- - Type in www.yahoo.com.
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- Yes, exactly.
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- See what Google gives me?
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- Get your Yahoo Finance link.
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Yeah, that's how it works, Mike.
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- You know, the other day, the other day,
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I saw someone post a link or maybe it was in our group chat
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or something and it was something Apple related,
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but it was a Yahoo Finance page
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that Reuters was embedded inside of.
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- Oh, that's weird.
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- I was like, what is going on?
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It was a very strange, like how is that,
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like there obviously is some content licensing deal,
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but it was very weird, very strange.
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- Yeah, that's really weird.
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There is a bug in there. - It was you, John.
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You sent it to me.
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Here it is, I found it in my group chat.
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It was the Apple OK's Epic Games Marketplace app in Europe.
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And it is a finance.yahoo.com,
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but it has the Reuters logo on the top.
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Like very strange, like a very strange thing to exist.
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So you are actually the person that goes in Yahoo Finance.
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- I am at fault.
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Yeah, I think I found that on Masterjohn in fact.
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So I'll blame the Don on that one.
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- Somebody used the share sheet straight from Yahoo Finance.
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- Probably, probably.
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There is one bug in Ivory worth noting,
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which is right now you can't access the profiles
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of people who are on subdomains.
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So that means that the entire MacStories team
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who are on our own subdomain for the MacStories server,
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if you tap on, for instance, @MacStories
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in a post in Ivory right now, you will not be taken
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to the MacStories profile.
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Or if you tap on my name or Federico's,
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you won't get to us, but I think they're working
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on a fix for that.
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- That's odd. - We're not the only ones
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who use a subdomain, that's a fairly common thing.
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But it's not so common that it obviously slipped through
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with the cracks on this one.
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- A subdomain's different to like custom servers?
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- Yeah, because ours is mastodon.macstories.net.
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- And so-- - You're safe.
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- Yeah, I'm not sure how it differs.
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Alex, you're okay. (laughing)
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But 'cause you didn't have Alex set up your server for you.
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- So Alex is the problem is what you're saying.
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- Yes, yes, yes.
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- If y'all had done mastodonstories.net
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as your server name, you would have been fine.
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- Yeah, we would have been fine.
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- Or mic.social, just to pull one out
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- Just to know, a word to associate,
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it's just that, just to, hey John, if you wanna come over,
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I'll offer you, if you wanna be the second
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and only person on mic.social, you just let me know, man.
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- Ooh, boy, that'd be cozy.
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That'd be really cozy, I'm looking forward to it, yeah.
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- OTJ@mic.social, that username is just ready for you
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whenever you want it.
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You can share as many Yahoo Finance links as you like.
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- So iOS 18 Beta 3 is out.
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I think all the Beta's are being revved,
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but obviously iOS is the one where the most is happening.
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And there are a couple of interesting features
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that have been released.
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I guess you guys, I'm assuming both of you guys
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have updated, but there are a couple of things
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I wanted to point out.
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I'm not using iOS on any device.
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I just have the Beta's on my iPad mini,
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which is not a great device to test.
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- No, it's not.
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- Anything, everything is real.
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I'm gonna tell you boys, it's getting real slow and hot
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on that iPad mini.
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Things are bad, it's a bad time.
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And the battery is dying very quickly.
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It's terrible, don't do it.
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The thing that is most interesting to me
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is Apple has made some tweaks and changes
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to the way that icons are working in dark mode.
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A thing that was previously seemed to be a bug,
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which was that you could separate widgets and icons
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from dark and light mode,
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it seems to have become just the way the system works.
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So you actually can't separate, which is kind of annoying.
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So if you want dark widgets, you have to,
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they're basically tied icons and widgets together
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in light and dark mode, which I don't love.
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But the thing that is of note is Apple is forcibly changing
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the look of icons if you choose dark mode.
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So developers will be able to supply to Apple
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a dark mode icon, but if they don't,
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Apple is doing something about it.
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And what I would love to know,
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and I don't know if anybody could tell us this,
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it seems like some icons are being particularly changed.
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Like somebody has made some decisions
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about how an app icon could be changed.
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And some just look like they're being darkened
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or like inverted or something.
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But like, for example, the Facebook icon, right?
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Currently it's blue with a white F.
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In dark mode, the background is black and the F is blue.
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Now that's not an invert.
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That feels like a decision that has been made to me, right?
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About the way that that is going to be displayed.
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And there are lots of instances of this.
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I'll put a couple in the show notes so people can see,
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but like some are simple, right?
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Like Google Maps, they just take the white
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that's in the background and change it black
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and keep the colors on the little pin the same and stuff.
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But to me, it feels like something's going on,
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whether it's Apple intelligence
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or a designer has made some choices, like I don't know.
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And then icons that are like full color,
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they have been dimmed a little bit.
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It's kind of weird, but yeah, Apple's making some choices.
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- Yeah, it's interesting.
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It seems like the rule tends to be that
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if it's a simple glyph with hard contrasting edges
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like the F in Facebook or I don't know,
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Slack's logo or something like that,
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or threads for instance,
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that those are being kind of inverted,
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although it's not strictly an inversion at all.
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It's pulling colors from the icon itself
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and replacing white areas with those colors
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and then darkening the other parts.
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So that seems to be where the biggest action is.
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And I got to imagine that's automatic
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because there's just too many icons on the store,
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except for maybe they're designing around
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some of the really biggest apps,
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like the top 100 or something.
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- That is what I think.
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I would love to understand the answer to this,
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but just like the Facebook one specifically
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really jumps out to me.
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- Yeah, I agree.
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- Because it's not an inversion.
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So I could imagine that there are some apps
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that they might be making some decisions on,
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but ultimately developers should be providing these
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to the system.
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And I think Apple wants it to happen,
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so they've now enacted this,
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so it will happen, so you should probably do it yourself.
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You know what I mean?
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So I think it's a smart way to do it,
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even though I think it's probably gonna upset some people.
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- The more skeuomorphic and 3D looking the icon is,
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the less likely it's going to change much.
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That's where the dimming really happens, I think.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- And developers still have the opportunity
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to do their own thing and supply them to the system.
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We're kind of talking about a couple of different things
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where the system is making some decisions,
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I think, in the absence of direct,
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like this is what I want you to do from the developer.
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So I'm not surprised there's like some hodgepodge,
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like mixed up things right now.
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Clearly, at least in beta one and two,
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Apple didn't have this finished.
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And I kind of suspect it's still not done,
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so we may still see some more changes.
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- It's definitely more polished now than it was in beta one,
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but it does have a ways to go yet.
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- Yeah, they did fix the bug
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where if you switch back and forth,
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sometimes just all of your icons would disappear
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and become like the default white round erect.
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It's like, well, all my icons are just white boxes.
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They got that going for them.
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- But the thing I'm maybe most excited about
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is they've finally done it.
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Stickers can be emoji.
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- They like look like emoji and act like emoji
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inside of messages, as well as in reactions and stuff.
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Like this is the thing that they've wanted them to forever.
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So now if you wanted, you could use me emoji,
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emoji instead of the human emojis that exist.
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So I think this is a very cool thing
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that they've finally done.
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- Yeah, I'm still not used to it.
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It's odd to look at your recently used
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or your most used emoji and see your stickers in there.
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I mean, it's not that I dislike it.
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I'm just, I'm a little surprised every time I see it.
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- Yeah, and I think to do this though,
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they have, I think, had a regression with the emoji picker
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where they've made the emoji bigger
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so you see less at the time.
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And I think they're doing that
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because obviously stickers tend to be more complicated.
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And so you maybe need a little bit more visual
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for seeing those.
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But I will take that for this
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because I think we could finally get
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what I think people have wanted for a really long time,
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which is maybe we're gonna get back
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on the old sticker roundup, John.
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Because this was the original promise
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of stickers and messages.
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Like people thought they were emoji, but they never were.
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- Never were.
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- But now you actually could use a Mickey Mouse emoji pack.
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Or like a, I don't know, insert your favorite character here,
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Or like, you know, people have created like chef kiss emoji
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and stuff like that.
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- And now you could have that.
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I mean, let alone the fact that we can all look forward
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to creating our own emoji with Genmoji.
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So I guess I would expect that they are essentially,
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what we can see here,
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like the Genmoji are essentially stickers,
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but they have now pushed the idea of stickers
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to act like emoji.
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And so they just decided to do it for everything.
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- I would imagine that was the impetus for this.
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Like, oh, we want to treat those as emoji.
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And so stickers get to come along.
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- I agree with you.
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The new layout is, the new visual layout is a little weird
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being more spaced out,
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but I kind of tend to think that may just be
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like an adjustment period, but.
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- Yeah, you get used to it.
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- Yeah, but it is good.
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Like you in particular, Mike,
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have talked about this for a long time.
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Like stickers are like, you know,
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they go on top of text and I know Jason
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has talked about this as well.
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And like they go on top of text and they block text
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and like, if I want to use something like this,
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I kind of have to make some decisions about where it goes.
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And sometimes that's fun.
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And you know, all that stuff still exists,
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but a lot of times I just want to inline
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with what I'm typing.
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And so I kind of felt like they finally done
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what we all want,
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even if it comes with some trade-offs
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in terms of the density visually,
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but I'm glad they're doing it.
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- And hey, this is a very helpful feature
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to add to iMessage when you add RCS to iMessage.
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- Yeah. - Oh yeah.
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- If people adopt this and really start using it,
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then it increases the iMessage experience
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and decreases the RCS experience.
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So. - Yeah, good point.
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- Which, you know, look, I'm not saying,
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I don't believe that they did this for that,
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but I bet when someone realized that they were like, great.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- Like Apple's saying is they need to increase
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the lock-in for iMessage.
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Like I understand it.
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Like I see what the point of that is.
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Like iMessage is one of the most important features
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on the iPhone for creating the Apple ecosystem.
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And so anything that they,
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it's why iMessage gets significant updates
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every single year, right?
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And so I think this is the thing
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that they've just keep pushing on
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to keep making iMessage better and better and better.
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And I do think these features make it better.
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- Anything you guys wanted to point out
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from developer beta three at all?
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Are you both using the betas on a lot of devices?
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John, I'm sure you're probably
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on everything everywhere, right?
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- Yeah, everything except for my Apple TV.
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So I have not tried the Insight yet thing,
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the Insight feature yet that showed up
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in this most recent beta,
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because that's one of those things where it's like,
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if I screw up my Apple TV
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and Jennifer sits down to watch TV at night,
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I'm gonna hear about it. - I think that it is
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available on the iPhone too though.
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- Yeah, I haven't, but I don't, yeah,
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I haven't tried it yet. - Like if you watch
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a show on your iPhone,
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I think you can also get that feature.
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But obviously it's just more natural to use on Apple TV.
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- Yeah, makes sense, makes sense.
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Yeah, I haven't tried it yet.
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I do have betas on iPads, Apple Watch, iPhone, and Mac.
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And as a result, I am recording on Mac hardware.
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That's not my normal setup.
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That's my, that's what I do in the summer.
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I replace my keyboard with my MacBook Pro
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and sit here looking at a MacBook Pro instead.
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- One of my favorite things listening to App Stories Plus
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around this time of the year is Federico
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wanting to install Mac OS and you trying to stop him.
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- Yes, thank you for that.
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I was thinking of you guys and myself.
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- For me, I'm kind of just like at this point,
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let it fly because I don't have to worry about it,
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but I know Stephen does.
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And so I work for Stephen.
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- It's all fun and games until we don't have a podcast.
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- Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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- You just have to worry about it.
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- Well, you know, I worry about my part.
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- Yeah, you have to have a good backup plan.
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And he's becoming kind of a minimalist
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and it concerns me that he's not,
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doesn't have a backup Mac really.
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And that's why I put the brakes on him
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this year a little bit.
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Plus there's not that much.
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- He doesn't even have a whole Mac, John.
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He has half of a Mac.
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- Yeah, he has half of a real Mac.
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That is pretty minimal, right?
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I have half of a computer.
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Like that is about as minimal as you can get.
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- That's pretty good.
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- The only thing I'll add here is I suspect
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that developer beta three will be public beta one next week.
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It feels pretty solid at this point.
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We're now basically halfway into July, you know,
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here at the end of the week.
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So I think we will see developer beta three
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get graduated to the public beta.
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And I would just say, you know,
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I think we do this every year.
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Just know what you're getting into.
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I think listeners of shows like this
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know what they're getting into,
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that your battery life's gonna be terrible.
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Some of your apps aren't gonna work right.
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And things may change out from underneath you.
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But if you live that exciting life, you know, go for it.
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I'll put the public beta on my phone after London.
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Right now it's on a secondary phone,
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but I'll make the move after our trip, I'm sure.
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- Yeah, one of the things that's interesting
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is that we didn't get a Sequoia update this week for--
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- It just came out.
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It is out now.
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- Oh, did it?
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Okay, all right.
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Look at that.
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I do not feel right now any desire to put iOS 18 on my phone.
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I just don't have it.
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- Is it because the AI stuff's not there?
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- It's not because the AI stuff isn't there.
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It's because there isn't a lot of stuff there currently.
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There's more of it, right?
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That like the majority of stuff that Apple
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is going to spend the most time talking about in iOS 18
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will probably not be in 18.0, right?
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And if they end up putting some intelligence features,
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which we believe they will, into 18,
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that's probably when I'll jump on
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because I think it's gonna be the biggest thing.
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But I'm looking forward to Control Center
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and having these emojis.
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But outside of that, there isn't really anything else
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that I'm dying to use because I think
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that the dark mode stuff is interesting,
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but it's not what I want.
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And I think right now it's gonna give me an experience
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that I'm not looking for, like where I want dark widgets
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and like dark UI elements
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that dark mode currently gives me on 17,
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but light icons, 'cause I don't like
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the majority of Apple's dark icons.
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I don't think that the colors are right
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and they're still not changing them.
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But if I choose light icons, all of the dark mode interface
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on the home screen doesn't exist, right?
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Like all of my widgets are brighter, my dock is brighter,
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and so I'm not keen on that.
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So I'm not super enthused to install the beta yet,
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but I just don't have the thing that's pulling me.
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- Yeah, there isn't much to it, I don't think,
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at least right now.
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I mean, I really do like the new Control Center
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and I like the ability to put those control widgets
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on my lock screen too.
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That's been really handy.
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But beyond that, not so much,
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but it's even less so on the Mac.
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The Mac is just, my day-to-day work on my Mac
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has not changed at all hardly.
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It's just like, it's really thin
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without the Apple intelligence stuff on there yet.
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- Is the iPhone mirroring in the Mac yet?
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- It is, and it broke with the last developer beta
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of iOS 18, although I'm assuming that today's Mac update
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will probably fix that. - Probably fix today, yeah.
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So I think it was interesting.
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I had a call with a friend and we wanted to do
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a persona call and it wouldn't work with them
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'cause they weren't on the beta.
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- Oh, interesting. - Which I thought
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was really weird, but there you go.
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- Our friend, the HomePod with display,
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the DisplayPod is back in the news.
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So this is a pair of stories, one from 9to5Mac,
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one from MacRumors, that tvOS 18 beta three,
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honestly, Mike, you should have brought this to the show
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as the tvOS guy.
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- No, I retired, no, sorry, I was fired
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from that position, if you remember.
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- Forced out.
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- You're ousted.
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- Yeah, you were part of the reason, John, don't come to me.
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- I was part of the cabal that got rid of you.
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- Yeah, there was--
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- You gotta pull the same off and just come back in.
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- You know what, I should do that,
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but I don't know who I'm appealing to.
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Who am I appealing to, you know?
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- That's the masses.
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The tvOS 18 beta three includes something called
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plasterboard, springboard is basically the background task
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that runs the home screen on the iPhone.
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And I forget what it's called on watchOS,
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but watchOS is a separate name for it, I think.
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But anyways, plasterboard apparently is what it's called
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here, and there's a touchscreen friendly UI,
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like go look at this article,
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it looks like an iPad unlocked screen.
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It's very basic, very simple, but obviously tvOS
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is not something that's touchscreen friendly,
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and this kind of is on the back of the idea
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that whatever a home pod with a display would be,
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would be based on tvOS.
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You know, that UI, sort of that stack of technology
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would move over.
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So this is showing up in beta three of tvOS 18,
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and then Aaron over at MacRumors reports that
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there is a product called home accessory 17,1
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that Apple has been working on,
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that's a string identifier that they have located,
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and this would be similar to the audio accessory identifier
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used by current home pods.
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So a new name, new internal name
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seems to kind of line up with this.
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What's interesting is the 17,1 would be,
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like 17, is gonna be used for the A18 chips
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coming in the iPhone 16.
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Yes, Apple's numbers and naming are out of control,
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we just, it is what it is.
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And so maybe this thing could be powered by something
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much more powerful than, you know,
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the Apple Watch chip found in something like
00:31:30
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the home pod mini, could also mean something like this
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could potentially pick up some Apple intelligence things,
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who knows, but it seems like there's a lot of smoke
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to this fire that Apple is working on something
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that combines something like a home pod and an iPad mini,
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and maybe we're beginning to see the pieces
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of that come together.
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The name in a smart plasterboard is used to make homes.
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Yeah, true. Oh yeah.
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I hadn't really thought about that.
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I think in America it's called sheetrock,
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but here we call it plasterboard.
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Sheetrock board.
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So like, you know, it is something that is used
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to build homes, so obviously they love their board names,
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right, like they've been doing forever.
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And like Carter in the Discord is saying posterboard,
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I remember this now, is the customizable lock screen
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on iOS, right, that has its own name.
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And so a home accessory being called plasterboard internally
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that would make a lot of sense for how they would
00:32:31
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call this UI.
00:32:32
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This product makes so much sense, right, like I,
00:32:35
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I believe it's coming because it's so logical as a product.
00:32:40
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Where Apple already make all of the things
00:32:44
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that you would need to make a product like this,
00:32:47
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they just need to physically connect them together.
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Put an iPod, you can put an iPod on it if you want to,
00:32:53
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but I meant to say put an iPad on a HomePod,
00:32:56
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you've done the thing, right, like you've done it.
00:32:59
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And you know, there's also all these things where like
00:33:02
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in the, I believe in the last Global Accessibility
00:33:05
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Awareness Day, one of the iOS 18 features is like
00:33:08
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an eye tracking feature for a iPad.
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I'm convinced that they're gonna do something,
00:33:12
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either eye or hand tracking based for controlling
00:33:16
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a device like this because I think that would be brilliant.
00:33:19
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Like I think all of the pieces are coming together
00:33:22
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to create something really nice and really expensive.
00:33:25
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Especially if it has the robot arm that Mark Gurman
00:33:30
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keeps talking about.
00:33:31
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- Right, that's what I was gonna say,
00:33:32
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this is gonna be the entree into tabletop robots.
00:33:36
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- Yes, yeah, he keeps talking about that, he loves it.
00:33:40
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But look, we are in an Echo Show family.
00:33:45
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- Echo. - I hate it.
00:33:48
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I hate it, but my wife loves it and I want to replace it
00:33:53
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and I think this could replace it.
00:33:56
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- What does she use it for?
00:33:57
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Is it for mostly photos or news or weather?
00:34:00
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- She likes it for photos. - Okay.
00:34:02
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- But she prefers to talk to the Echo
00:34:05
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to control the smart home devices.
00:34:08
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- We don't have any HomePods at home,
00:34:09
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so those devices really are the best way
00:34:13
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to communicate with things.
00:34:15
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And so if we had one, this would do it,
00:34:17
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but for me, there's no point just bringing a HomePod
00:34:21
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and setting it up at home for this thing
00:34:22
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because she's still gonna want to use the Echo.
00:34:25
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- Sure. - And she likes the combo
00:34:28
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of what the screen shows things to her
00:34:31
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that she finds interesting.
00:34:33
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- Sometimes new stuff or whatever, which I hate, but.
00:34:37
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It's just one of these things where I'm not,
00:34:39
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I don't have something to replace this product with
00:34:42
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that is better than this product
00:34:43
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at all of the things that it does.
00:34:45
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So I'm not gonna force it, there's no point.
00:34:47
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It doesn't harm me,
00:34:48
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but I would love to be able to do this right.
00:34:52
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Because the photos, we have to manually upload
00:34:55
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to Amazon photos, right?
00:34:57
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So I would prefer how I have photos on standby,
00:35:00
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which is just, it's just pulling from the library.
00:35:03
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I don't have to do anything about it, right?
00:35:05
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The same as calendars, right?
00:35:07
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I can't connect our family calendar
00:35:10
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to the Echo in a way that I'm happy.
00:35:13
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But if it was an iOS device,
00:35:14
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it could just pull the family calendar in
00:35:16
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and show it to me on a widget, right?
00:35:17
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Like it would be a fastly superior product
00:35:21
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in a bunch of ways that I know that she would appreciate,
00:35:25
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but right now there isn't anything.
00:35:27
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So why pull the rug from under the way
00:35:30
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that she's used to doing something?
00:35:31
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I'm happy that she wants to use the smart home devices.
00:35:34
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I don't wanna like.
00:35:35
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- I don't wanna make her.
00:35:36
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- Oh, the way you do this, you can't do it anymore.
00:35:39
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- You're holding it wrong.
00:35:40
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- Because I don't like this device, 'cause it's old.
00:35:42
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Like there's like kind of nothing.
00:35:44
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There's no reason.
00:35:45
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- Yeah, I get it.
00:35:46
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Yeah, I'm trying to figure out whether there's a place
00:35:48
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in my life for one of these type of devices.
00:35:50
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I don't really know if there is.
00:35:51
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I mean, a lot of that kind of stuff I use my phone for.
00:35:55
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And the way our house kind of works now,
00:35:59
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that we're on three floors,
00:36:00
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most of the technology is concentrated on the first floor
00:36:03
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where I work.
00:36:04
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And then it gradually lessens as you go up the floors.
00:36:08
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I was realizing this the other day.
00:36:08
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- There's no power in the attic.
00:36:10
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- No, right, well, so you go to the second floor,
00:36:13
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which is like where our living space and kitchen is.
00:36:15
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And yeah, there's some automatic lights there,
00:36:18
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but not all of them are automatic.
00:36:19
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And there's an Apple TV, but that's really about,
00:36:22
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and there's the HomePods, which are connected to the TV,
00:36:24
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but that's about it.
00:36:26
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And then you go upstairs to the third floor
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where the bedrooms are, and there's really nothing.
00:36:31
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I mean, other than when you bring something up there,
00:36:34
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whether it's a phone or whatever, iPad,
00:36:37
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but that's kind of just how it is.
00:36:39
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I also realized that I think my original HomePods,
00:36:41
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which are still kicking and are still a stereo pair
00:36:44
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with my television, are my first device that I've owned
00:36:48
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until they've been declared obsolete by Apple.
00:36:53
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I think that's the first Apple thing I ever had to do.
00:36:55
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- I think that's the same for me too.
00:36:56
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I'm still using my two original HomePods.
00:36:58
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They were ones that I had at home,
00:37:00
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and then I didn't know what to do with them for a while
00:37:02
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when we moved, 'cause we went Sonos,
00:37:04
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which I'm way happier with.
00:37:05
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But now I have them as a stereo pair here at the studio
00:37:07
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connected to my TV here at the studio.
00:37:10
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Way too loud, just in general.
00:37:13
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What's so loud?
00:37:14
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They're just so loud.
00:37:15
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There's no way to make them not loud, but I like them.
00:37:19
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You know, they are good, but I would not recommend it.
00:37:22
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I would not recommend HomePods as a stereo pair.
00:37:25
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I just would not.
00:37:26
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My recommendation now is Sonos for this stuff,
00:37:30
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because it's just so much more flexible.
00:37:34
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- I'm the opposite way.
00:37:35
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- Why? - I really am.
00:37:37
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I bought a Sonos portable speaker, and I was like,
00:37:41
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I hate this, I don't like the Sonos app.
00:37:44
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- But they made it so much better recently.
00:37:46
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- Well, you know, but what I'm saying,
00:37:48
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for connecting to your TV, you never use the app.
00:37:51
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- Yeah, that's true, that's true.
00:37:53
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- You connect it to the soundbar,
00:37:55
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and then you can also connect
00:37:56
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like left and right speakers in the app,
00:37:58
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and then once you configure them, that's it.
00:37:59
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And now like when we play Nintendo Switch, it uses Sonos.
00:38:03
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When we play PlayStation, it uses Sonos.
00:38:05
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- Yeah, that's nice.
00:38:06
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- It doesn't matter, and that's what I like about it.
00:38:08
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And I know that eARC exists.
00:38:10
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I've tried it out, and it's okay, but it's still a pain.
00:38:14
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Like it doesn't work reliably.
00:38:16
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There's zero problems with the Sonos system.
00:38:19
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- Yeah, eARC works for me.
00:38:20
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The trouble that I've been having
00:38:22
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for the last several months is with HDMI
00:38:26
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and the TV just turning on all by itself,
00:38:29
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which is really annoying throughout the day.
00:38:32
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All of a sudden, I'll hear someone watching television
00:38:35
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upstairs when no one's home except me,
00:38:37
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and I have to go shut it off
00:38:38
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or use my iPhone to shut it off.
00:38:39
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So that's a fun thing.
00:38:41
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That's some sort of conflict.
00:38:42
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- When that happens, what is the TV showing?
00:38:45
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- Whatever it was last on.
00:38:48
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Sometimes it turns on, this is a new thing.
00:38:52
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It used to turn on the Apple TV,
00:38:54
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which would then trigger the TV.
00:38:56
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That's really what was happening.
00:38:58
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Though yesterday I went upstairs and just the TV was on,
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and it was just like the LG screensaver or something.
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So I don't know what in the world is going on at this point.
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For a while, I thought it was because of the betas,
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and every time I updated my phone or opened my phone
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or did something, I guess, significant with my phone,
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like opened the home app or something,
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it would turn the television on by accident
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'cause it was connecting to the home hub or something.
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I'm not, because that Apple TV is our home hub.
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I think I need to try to move the home hub
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somewhere else in the house
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and see if that makes a difference.
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- I am so excited about the fact
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that you'll be able to choose home hubs.
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'Cause the Apple TV at the studio
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causes me so many problems, and I don't know why.
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It just does.
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And it's very frequent, not very,
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frequently enough, I'm away from the studio
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and I get the, "Your home hub isn't responding."
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And I open the home app,
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and it's like all the home pods are connected,
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but the TV is like, "No, it can't connect."
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But it won't change to the,
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like it won't move to the thing that is working.
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It's just like, "Oh no, there's no way.
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Like I'm dead now."
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And so I will just move it to my home pod mini,
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which is much more reliable for this stuff
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than the Apple TV has been for me.
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So I'm happy that they're adding that feature.
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And I guess this is why,
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because these devices can act weird.
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And when you're, then like you've got your security camera
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relying on this device being available on the network,
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like that's a problem, you know?
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I had a brainwave the other day.
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And I figured John's here, we should play a game.
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And I've titled this game the Teach Olympics.
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Yep, perfect.
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Teach Olympics.
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Very appropriate with the Olympics going on in Paris,
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just around the corner.
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We all know Federico's from Paris, so.
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He's very French.
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Makes sense.
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He's a man of the French people, really.
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He really is.
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Long bread and windmills.
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I don't know if I said it in French.
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That's very French.
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Yep, that was it.
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So this is a new game brought to you by the minds
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that brought you things like the Rickies
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and the Jeremy's and the Uy's.
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The Uy's and the Annie's.
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Yes, and the Annie's.
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We add today the Teach Olympics.
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So we are going to make picks
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on what sorts of technology experiments
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our friend may undertake in the next 12 months.
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And to avoid a space-time paradox,
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Federico has been forbidden
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from looking at our show planning document
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and is not allowed to listen to this episode.
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Federico, if you're listening, you gotta stop now.
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Time to stop.
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I will remind him in iMessage when this episode goes up
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that he cannot listen to it.
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'Cause if we make a pick and he hears it,
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he can influence the outcome.
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And we all know what happens--
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We should disable his connective pro membership, Stephen.
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You know, you should just shut him off for the week.
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So we will each make three picks
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and a correct prediction will earn one point
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when graded in July of 2025.
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We also have a set of passion picks.
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They are ungraded and just for bragging rights.
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Yeah, passion.
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So we're gonna do this round robin style
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because we don't have a precedent of who gets to go first.
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There's no winners or losers yet.
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So round robin it is.
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John, kick us off on round one.
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All right, I'm gonna go with what I think
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is kind of a gimme for the next 12 months,
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which is that Federico is going to find a way
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to use Thunderbolt 5.
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So Thunderbolt 5--
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It's the only man in the world excited by Thunderbolt 5.
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Yeah, right, right.
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I mean, look, this is the guy who recently ordered
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a 10 meter long USB 4 cable that was handmade
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for him in China, all right?
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That I think is not quite public knowledge yet,
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but listen to NPC on Mac stories.
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We'll be talking about it soon.
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But he loves himself a good cable.
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And Thunderbolt 5, I think it's 240 watts of power delivery
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and something like 120 gigabits per second.
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It's fast, delivers a lot of power.
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It's perfect for things like eGPUs,
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which is one of his favorite topics.
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And I think this is where he's going.
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Right now though, I mean, the problem is,
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is that I think that was Sean Hollister at The Verge
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who wrote about this cable that just was recently released,
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is that there's really only one thing you can do
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with it right now, which is you can connect
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two $4,500 Razer gaming laptops together
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and transfer files between them.
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Because Razer is using a proprietary controller
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for its Thunderbolt 5 ports because Intel hasn't released
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these to the general, I don't know, OEMs yet.
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And so it's gonna be a little while still, I think,
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before we see true Thunderbolt 5 accessories.
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But you know that the first person who is gonna get
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one of those controllers shipped to him from somewhere
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in China or wherever it comes from to Italy
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is gonna be Federico because he's gonna put it inside
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that eGPU of his and he's gonna find a way
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to get the longest Thunderbolt 5 cable in the world.
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I think that this is a lot like Thunderbolt 4
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where you really can't get yourself past like a meter or so.
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But where there's a will, there's a way.
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He did it with USB 4.
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I think he can do a Thunderbolt 5
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and he'll have a use for it.
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- Where there's an intelligent person in China,
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there's a way.
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Do you think he will spend a lot of time on Reddit
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trying to find a circuit board that is capable,
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that someone will make for him in a shed somewhere
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in Memphis or something?
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- Right, or like his friendly guy in Las Vegas
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who printed his eGPU case and all that.
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- Very friendly guy in Las Vegas.
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You know, I will say, I'm just gonna say
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for the record here, right?
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I know of a tichy surprise.
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I know you do know one that I don't know about yet.
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- It's not in my picks.
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- Right, so there is something I know that he's done
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and I know there's something that he's doing
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but I will not share it.
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And so, you know, this is all above board here, okay?
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- All right, my pick is actually somewhat related
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to yours, John, which is Federico drills a hole in a wall
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for running a cable to an external GPU.
00:48:23
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So currently Federico is playing video games in bed
00:48:28
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using an eGPU in another room.
00:48:35
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So he turns on his eGPU and he runs the cable
00:48:39
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through out of the hallway into the other room,
00:48:42
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sometimes causes small fires.
00:48:45
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Again, there's so much of this information available
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on MPC you should listen to it.
00:48:49
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Sometimes things catch fire in the middle of the night
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and Federico has to go investigate them in the other room.
00:48:54
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And I am convinced at some point he will run a cable
00:48:59
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through the wall because he will find the perfect cable
00:49:02
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like his Thunderbolt 5 cable,
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it'll do everything he wants,
00:49:06
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but it's like a meter too short.
00:49:07
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And so he will have somebody come to the house,
00:49:11
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probably when Sylvia's not there,
00:49:13
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drill a hole through the wall, run a cable,
00:49:16
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and pretend it never happened.
00:49:18
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- Yeah, that was one of my first questions to him was,
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is Sylvia okay with you unrolling this cable
00:49:24
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down the hall every night?
00:49:26
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Or is it there all day?
00:49:27
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I mean, what's going on here?
00:49:28
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He unrolls it every evening when he wants to play a game.
00:49:31
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- I bet she became less happy when the fire broke out.
00:49:34
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- Oh, she was not pleased about that, I can tell you that.
00:49:37
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- Yeah, me and him were texted in that day
00:49:39
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and it was the first thing I said to him
00:49:40
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when he told me about it.
00:49:41
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I was like, "Oh man, she's gonna be so mad at you."
00:49:44
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And she was. (laughs)
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- When he fixed it, when he fixed it,
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she made him fix it outside on the balcony.
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God bless her.
00:49:54
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- I did also, for the record,
00:49:58
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tell him to invest in a fire extinguisher.
00:50:01
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- I did, I actually did.
00:50:01
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- I think he's gotten to the point, he did, he did good.
00:50:04
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I recommended a brand to him that I own.
00:50:08
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I've never used, but I own.
00:50:10
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- Yeah, I got one of this.
00:50:12
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If it's the one from Cortex, I also have one in my office.
00:50:15
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- The Firexo, I think, or Fire Joe is the brand.
00:50:20
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Basically what I like about this company
00:50:22
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is their fire extinguishers are all purpose,
00:50:25
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which I think is one of the most insane things
00:50:28
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about fire extinguishers, is that you have to know
00:50:31
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that the one you're using is correct
00:50:33
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for the fire that you have, which is just like,
00:50:35
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"This is not a decision I wanna make
00:50:38
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"at the point that the fire's broke out."
00:50:40
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And that's their whole thing.
00:50:41
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- I think, you know, I think Mike of the four of us,
00:50:44
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he's the person who has to own this thing
00:50:46
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more than anybody else. - Oh, definitely.
00:50:48
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm not worried about causing a fire, but I have it.
00:50:51
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I'm worried he's gonna cause a fire,
00:50:53
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'cause he already has, so he needs it.
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I'm happy he's got it.
00:50:56
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- So I have a pick, but I'm gonna leave it
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to the two of you to see if it's still valid.
00:51:04
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So my pick that I wrote many days ago
00:51:07
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was Federico tries an e-ink phone
00:51:09
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to help reduce distractions and get more into reading.
00:51:12
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But then after I wrote it, but before we recorded,
00:51:16
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he on Threads asked the question we all ask ourselves,
00:51:20
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"Should I buy a Bux Palma?"
00:51:23
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Which is like this e-ink Android phone
00:51:25
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that's popular at the moment.
00:51:27
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So I don't, I would like to keep this pick.
00:51:30
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I feel like it's still okay,
00:51:31
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because he also talked about Thunderbolt 5,
00:51:33
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but I just wanted to double check with you all
00:51:35
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that you were okay with this.
00:51:36
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- I think you can keep it, but he has to say,
00:51:39
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"I'm using this to get more into reading," and like, keep it.
00:51:42
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- Okay. - Well, I will say this.
00:51:45
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I was very surprised when I saw that post,
00:51:47
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because I thought that he owned a Bux Palma,
00:51:50
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that he just never told me. (laughing)
00:51:51
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- No, I do, I do, but I don't think he does.
00:51:53
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- I don't know, I could swear he told me that he owned one,
00:51:58
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because I have one, and when I told him about it,
00:52:00
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like, "Oh, surprise, I have this Bux Palma,"
00:52:02
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he said, "Oh yeah, I've had one of those for six months
00:52:04
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"and never use it."
00:52:05
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Now, a Bux Palma is not an e-ink phone.
00:52:07
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There are e-ink phones out there.
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- No, it is an e-ink.
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It's just straight up Android phone.
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- It's like an e-ink iPod Touch.
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- Yeah, it's like more for reading.
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It's an Android device, but it doesn't have a SIM card in it,
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is I guess what I'm saying.
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- I still think this pick is fine.
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Even if it was just a Bux Palma,
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I think it would still be fine,
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'cause like, you know, it's basically a phone,
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because even if he owns one, he ain't talking about it.
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So he needs to state, right?
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He needs to state, "Oh, I got this thing,
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"and I'm using it for reading," you know?
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- Yeah, okay, yeah, no, I think that it's probably good,
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'cause if it, you're right.
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If he does have it, it's one of those many things
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that he has in storage.
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He has infinite storage.
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It's like Fred Flintstone going into the closet,
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and the Brock bowling ball falling down his head,
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that's Federico's closet.
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- But it's just an eGPU.
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- It's an eGPU, and it books Palma.
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- Yeah, okay, okay, so that's the end of round one.
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Mike said another, oh, sorry.
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John says Federico finds a useless Thunderbolt 5.
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Mike says he drills a hole in the wall for running a cable
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to an external GPU.
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Now I say he tries an e-ink phone to reduce distractions
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and get more into reading.
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I feel pretty good about those.
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- Mike, start us on round two.
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- So my round two pick is that Federico
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buys another Windows handheld and declares it to be the best,
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then sells his Legion Go.
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- I think that's a good pick.
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I think that's pretty much a lot.
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- This is the thing, he does this on an annual basis.
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- Well, yeah, and these devices are coming out so fast
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and furious these days that I'm sure there'll be
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something better within the next six months.
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- Yeah, I mean, do you know if he has any interest
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in the ROG Ally X?
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- Oh yeah, he definitely does.
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Yeah, he definitely has his eye on it.
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But I don't think, it's better in some ways,
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but because the chipset is basically the same as the Go,
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my guess is he won't go with the X,
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but I think there'll be something else that kind of--
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- There'll be something.
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- Goes the next step beyond that.
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- It could be from Xbox, honestly.
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- Yeah, absolutely.
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- But yeah, the key is for me,
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because I know that this is so likely,
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and it's not because of Federico,
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because of the rate of improvement in these devices,
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the key for me is that he sells the Legion Go.
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That's when he's committed, you know?
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And so that's what he's gonna have to do that.
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- Yeah, and he has a reason to do it now,
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a work reason now too with NBC.
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So I mean, I think that this is kind of a lock personally.
00:54:41
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- So all tax write-offs now, baby, you know?
00:54:43
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- That's right.
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It's not like it costs money if it's a tax write-off.
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- It's just free, it's free.
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You advise him on this, right John?
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- Yeah, I'm an accountant, a tax attorney,
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and all those things rolled into one.
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- My second round pick.
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Federico speaks before a government body
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in an official capacity about AI training.
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- So I have a couple of things feeding into this, right?
00:55:13
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Y'all are, I think, rightfully so,
00:55:16
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talking a lot about LLM training.
00:55:18
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I missed last week's episode, but it was a great one.
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You've written letters to your representatives,
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both in the US and in Italy,
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and Federico's been in the New York Times twice.
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And so I feel like the next step is to speak
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in front of, what do they have in Italy?
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Parliament, I guess, something?
00:55:39
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And, or maybe here, maybe, but something official, right?
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Not just like sending a letter or an email,
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but like an official something
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in front of a government body on this topic.
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- I think this is a long shot, but it's possible.
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- We don't have risky picks in this game.
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You know, the rules are set. - No, I know.
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My next one's kind of a risky one too.
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- Agreed. - But yeah,
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I think it's definitely a possibility.
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I mean, I think, I just can't wait for the content prospects
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of going to Brussels with Federico and marching
00:56:14
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into parliament or into a committee meeting
00:56:17
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and talking about AI, but yeah, it could be possible.
00:56:20
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I've heard back from at least one of the,
00:56:21
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from one of the senators that we wrote to already, so.
00:56:23
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- Awesome. - Oh yeah?
00:56:25
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- Yeah, yeah, one of the ones from North Carolina.
00:56:27
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I mean, you know, they, nothing committal in any kind of way
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but I mean, they definitely got some attention
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from a couple of people so far.
00:56:36
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- They're kind of like, I guess they're kind of happy, right?
00:56:39
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Like they want, they want you giving them,
00:56:41
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like if, I don't know if this senator specifically
00:56:44
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is like focused on AI legislation.
00:56:47
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I think Federico mentioned
00:56:48
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that you were targeting those people.
00:56:50
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- Yes, although at the last minute,
00:56:52
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I also sent it to both of the North Carolina US senators,
00:56:54
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because one of the problem, I mean,
00:56:56
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this is just a thing of American politics
00:56:58
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is that me writing to a senator from another state,
00:57:01
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they are more likely to throw that letter into the bin
00:57:03
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just because I'm not one of the constituents.
00:57:06
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So North Carolina has fairly conservative US senators
00:57:11
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and this guy was not particularly,
00:57:14
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he didn't strike me as particularly interested in AI
00:57:18
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or in regulating startups.
00:57:20
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- Anything? (laughs)
00:57:22
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- Right, anything probably.
00:57:26
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But I got a polite response back.
00:57:28
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- There you go. - Hey, it's great, you know.
00:57:30
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- Sometimes it's just nice to be noticed.
00:57:32
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- It is. - Right.
00:57:34
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- Two quick things, real-time follow-up,
00:57:35
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Italy does have a parliament.
00:57:37
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Thankfully, Federico never-- - Congratulations, Italy.
00:57:40
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- Never hear me make that.
00:57:41
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I put the Wikipedia page in the show notes,
00:57:43
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you can go check it out.
00:57:45
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They have sick logos for the Republican
00:57:47
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and Senate of the Republican Chamber of the Deputies.
00:57:50
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Very, very cool.
00:57:51
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Secondly, I, not over AI, but in the past,
00:57:56
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over other things have reached out to my Congress people.
00:58:00
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And heard back, had good conversations.
00:58:04
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They, in the end, disagreed with me
00:58:06
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on the particular issue of some healthcare stuff.
00:58:10
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But I will say, the people that you interact with
00:58:14
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in congressional offices and stuff
00:58:16
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generally are there to try to do a good job.
00:58:20
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Yes, some of them are nutty
00:58:22
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or may believe something that you don't,
00:58:23
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including in my case, where we came at the end
00:58:25
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to a disagreement, which I knew we were going to do,
00:58:28
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I felt listened to and had good conversations.
00:58:30
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And so it's an important thing to do.
00:58:32
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- Yep, same thing here.
00:58:34
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- In theory, and I do believe still in practice,
00:58:38
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the majority of these people are professionals.
00:58:42
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Their bosses may be insane, but the people in--
00:58:45
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- Even, I still think, not all,
00:58:48
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but I still think that a lot of people
00:58:49
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that appear crazy on the outside,
00:58:52
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they just do it for show, but anyway.
00:58:56
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- Maybe. - Not all.
00:58:57
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I will state that for the record.
00:58:59
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- You guys have some particularly nutty people.
00:59:02
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- Including in my state.
00:59:04
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- Yeah, yeah.
00:59:05
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- But really what I mean,
00:59:08
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like staff in congressional offices
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and parliamentarian offices,
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like people who are professional,
00:59:14
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like, yeah, it's good.
00:59:16
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- Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind
00:59:17
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that the letter that I got said it was signed
00:59:20
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by the senator, but it was written by somebody in his office.
00:59:23
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But it was well done.
00:59:25
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It was a thoughtful response,
00:59:26
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even though it wasn't really in line
00:59:28
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with my thinking on the issues,
00:59:30
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but I appreciated hearing back from them.
00:59:33
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- They're doing a better job
00:59:34
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than Apple is with the feedback system.
00:59:35
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At least you heard something back.
00:59:37
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So, there you go. - There you go.
00:59:38
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- Remember when we were gonna talk about that
00:59:40
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a couple weeks ago?
00:59:41
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Jam it in there.
00:59:42
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Okay, John, your round two pick out of all of these
00:59:46
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is the most wild to me, so please share it with the group.
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- Well, I think Federico's gonna break down
00:59:52
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and buy a 3D printer this year
00:59:53
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because he has been buying endless little adapters
00:59:58
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and other things from Etsy,
01:00:00
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whether it's the comfort thing for the Vision Pro
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or something to adapt his various game controllers
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and consoles and things like that.
01:00:12
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He's buying a lot of stuff on Etsy that's all 3D printed.
01:00:16
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And although he doesn't live in an apartment
01:00:20
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where I think particularly Silvia would like him
01:00:24
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setting up a 3D printer in his office,
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he does have some storage space in his garage
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that I think he could use for this or out on the balcony.
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I think he's gonna do it.
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I think he's gonna start printing things up.
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And I don't know.
01:00:36
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I mean, I think it is a long shot,
01:00:38
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but I do think there's a chance
01:00:39
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that Federico will start 3D printing things this year.
01:00:43
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- Federico needs a studio.
01:00:45
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- Oh, he definitely does.
01:00:46
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I've had this conversation with him
01:00:48
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and said this exact thing to him.
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It's like, why don't you just put it downstairs
01:00:51
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in your garage area or whatever?
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Like, if you have power down there.
01:00:55
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I don't know if he has, but he does.
01:00:56
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- He does. - He does have a camera.
01:00:58
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- Yeah, he does.
01:00:59
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He has, I think it's a little bit like a storage unit
01:01:01
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that he's got this car parked there
01:01:03
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and there's a little room that he has that has power.
01:01:06
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So I think he could probably do it.
01:01:08
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- 'Cause there's no way he's putting that.
01:01:09
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And there's no way actually he should put it in the house.
01:01:12
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'Cause I don't think the fumes of these things
01:01:15
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are particularly good.
01:01:17
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- It depends on what you're printing.
01:01:19
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Mine is in my studio.
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And if I'm printing--
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- Yeah, but you're not there all the time
01:01:23
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when it's running though.
01:01:25
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Usually I run it overnight.
01:01:26
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But it depends on the material you're running.
01:01:29
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I have had the thought before of all these Etsy things.
01:01:32
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I could design and print and ship a bunch of that stuff.
01:01:34
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But I already have a full-time job.
01:01:36
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I'm not gonna get into the Etsy world.
01:01:40
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But it is helpful.
01:01:42
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And it is a fun thing to have around.
01:01:44
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Over on MPU, David Sparks and I have talked a lot about it
01:01:47
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over the last year or so as we've gotten into it.
01:01:49
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So you can make 10,000 smiley, happy sponge faces
01:01:54
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for a podcast-a-thon, you know?
01:01:56
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It's a business expense, Jon.
01:01:58
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- It is, it is.
01:01:59
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It's a tax write-off.
01:02:00
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It's basically free.
01:02:01
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- It's basically free.
01:02:04
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- Remember everybody, Jon is alive.
01:02:06
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- That basically is carrying a lot of weight in that sentence
01:02:08
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the fact that it's basically free.
01:02:10
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- Connected is not legal advice.
01:02:13
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Nor has it ever been.
01:02:15
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- And then if you think about it in the long term,
01:02:17
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if you start spying things off of Etsy,
01:02:19
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then he's like making money.
01:02:21
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- It's paying for itself.
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- It's paying for, and that was,
01:02:24
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Taxes did that, it's free.
01:02:27
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- MaxStories is gonna compete with Etsy.
01:02:29
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That's the next thing that's coming, I'm telling you.
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It's our own little 3D shop.
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- Yep, love it.
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Round the third.
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I will start with this.
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Federico adds a water feature to his balcony.
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- I like this one a lot.
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- He's got lights. - Big balcony boy.
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- He's got plants.
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The other day, I sent us a photo where he was pulling up
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the tile and running power under there.
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It's just a matter of time before there's a fountain
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or some sort of shooting water thing.
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A water feature, it's coming.
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- I think so, and I think, like you said,
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he's got the lights.
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He'll get the colored lights going on in the evening,
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the water feature going, then he'll put on the Vision Pro,
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dive into one of those meditation sessions,
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and just, you know, that'll be how he unwinds.
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I think you're absolutely right about this one.
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- He's gonna become a man of Zen.
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- Yeah, I think he's pretty close to that,
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but it feels like this could push him over the edge.
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Not of the balcony, gosh, not of the balcony.
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- Yeah, he's got a lot of space out there,
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so I think he could definitely fit it.
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It's a huge balcony, and they've put a ton of plants
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out there already.
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- Yeah, it looks good.
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- It does look good.
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- I think he lives at a resort now.
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That's what I told him.
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I mean, it really is beautiful.
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- It looks like a resort.
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It just looks like a resort.
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Like, it's kind of incredible.
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- It's a beautiful building,
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and there's so many nice amenities there,
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a pool, and all kinds of things.
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All right, so for my third round pick,
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I think Federico is going to re-explore the world
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of AR glasses to use as an external display,
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because, as I'm sure listeners remember,
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last summer, he and I both were using the X-Reel glasses,
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and those fell by the wayside when the Vision Pro came out.
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And I recently got mine back out,
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and I think he did too, just to see how they worked
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with things like an Android gaming device.
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And it's really a pretty nice experience.
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I mean, the resolution's not anything close
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to the Vision Pro, but if you're playing pixelated
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retro games and things, it's totally fine,
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and it's actually quite nice.
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I think that he's going to look at these,
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and I think he's also had his eye on the Vitcher glasses,
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which came out, I don't know, one or two months ago or so.
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It's kind of like the X-Reels, but a little nicer.
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And so, it's a whole category that continues
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to evolve slowly over time, and it's only getting better.
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And I think that for times when he doesn't want
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to have a full-on Vision Pro helmet on,
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he might go back to the glasses.
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I mean, he's a glasses guy with the meta glasses now too.
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So, I think it kind of fits with the whole vibe.
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- Yeah, I think this is definitely something
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that's going to happen, and I feel like he has given up
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some of the flexibility he had with X-Reel, right?
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'Cause you could use it on, couldn't he?
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Was he using it with his iPad?
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- Yeah, he was.
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- Yeah, and you know, Vision Pro didn't have that, so.
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- You can use it with anything, yeah, anything.
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- That's good, that's good.
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All right, Mike, you're up.
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- My, so this is the final pick, right?
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This is the final pick of all three rounds.
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I've decided to do game inception,
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and pick the Federico makes more than 10 Flexi picks
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in one game of the Ricky's over the next year.
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- And I just, he just needs to be feeling
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particularly confident, and I think he'll do it.
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- I think so too.
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- That's really good.
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What's the record, seven or eight?
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- I think he got up to 10 once.
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- Maybe he did, maybe someone--
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- There was that one where we all went really high,
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you know, we all got a little bit excited,
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and Federico got the most excited.
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- Yeah, and the most wrong, I think, too.
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- Yeah, so I mean, that's natural,
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like that's just gonna happen, you know?
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- It seems like he's done 12.
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- That might be why he doesn't do it,
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like, oh, he's done 12 before?
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Yeah, see, this might be why he doesn't do it,
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but I'm still thinking at some point he's gonna do it.
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- We should also say, this has now come up in Discord,
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that Federico can't listen to this episode
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because we don't him shaping the future.
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We also are taking a pledge
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that we're not shaping the future, right?
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We're not gonna subtly push him into like,
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I'm not gonna be like, hey, look at this cool fountain
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I found, it'd be sick on your balcony.
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- Yeah, so we all take the pledge.
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- The pledge of the Teachy Olympics.
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- That's right, yeah, yeah, no doping in the Teachy Olympics.
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He has picked 12 two times in May 2024 and September 2022.
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And he picked 10 at WWBC 21,
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so this is a good pick, Mike, I like this.
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- I will do my best, like, 'cause you've also got to,
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I gotta remember this, right?
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Like, you know what I mean?
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Like, I've got to remember that I can't take him on,
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but also, if I don't egg him on,
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is that gonna be a problem?
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So we'll have to just see,
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we'll just have to see how we go on that one.
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I can't make any promises at this stage.
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- Just gotta play it as straight as you can, Mike.
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- Yeah, I will do my best.
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- All right, so those are the three rounds.
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We are now moving into Passion picks.
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These are ungraded just for the Passion.
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Jon, you got a couple, Mike has three and I have one.
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So Jon, what are your two?
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- All right, my first one is I think a pretty,
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pretty much a lock, which is he's gonna build something new
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with magnets, Federico and magnets are just like, you know,
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it's this thing. - Match made in Berlin.
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- Yeah, he loves the magnets.
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And there's always a good use,
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there's always something you can stick
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to the back of your phone, right?
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So, or your MacBook or whatever it happens to be.
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So I think he'll do something with the magnets.
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But I also think, and this is one's maybe a little riskier,
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I think he's finally gonna break down
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and admit that his friends were right
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and buy an Aionodent 2, which is that Android game device
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that we talked about a little earlier in the show.
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And I think there's a particular reason
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why he hasn't done this yet.
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And this is, you have to get into the mind of Titi
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for this, which is, he wasn't the one
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to come up with this idea.
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All right, this goes right to, right?
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This goes right to the humility and humbleness
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of Mr. Vititi, which is, which is,
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I bought one of these in late November
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around Thanksgiving last year,
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and I told him it was great.
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And he's like, "Oh yeah, that looks really cool."
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Then I kinda convinced Brendan Bigley to get one
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because he saw me writing about it
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and talking about it here and there.
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And he got it and he goes, "Oh, this is amazing,
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"this is great."
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And Federico's like, "Hmm, I don't know,
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"I think I'm gonna try this one,
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"I'm gonna try this other one."
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'Cause he has to be first, it's like bragging rights.
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He wants to be the one that people follow
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and not be the follower.
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- That's incredible.
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- Right, but I do think he's gonna get the Odin too
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because I don't think they're gonna come out
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with another Odin too soon.
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They just came out with a Mini,
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which is essentially the same device but thinner.
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And I don't know, I think he's gonna do it.
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I think he'll finally do it.
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'Cause he does break down once in a while.
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He just wants to be the person who discovers the thing.
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And this is one of those where
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he's not gonna be able to do that.
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He's just gonna have to say, "Oh, Mike's got it,
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"and John's got it, and Brendan's got it."
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I guess I'll get it too. - Maybe what he does
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is he gets the Mini and he's like,
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"Oh guys, you don't even know, this one's way better."
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- I know, I've thought about that.
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- That's the way he'll do it?
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- Yeah, Brendan already got the Mini,
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so he can't be first with the Mini either.
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- 'Cause he's buying that weird square one, right?
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- Yeah, the cube one, which is really weird looking.
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I mean, it looks pretty good,
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but it's gotten pretty well reviewed,
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but that's the Ambernic RG cube, as it's called.
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- Yeah, 'cause that's Android, right, that one?
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- Yeah, it is.
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I think it's their first Android.
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- I think it is, yeah.
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- Well, maybe it's not their first.
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They put out so much stuff, but it is Android, yeah.
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- That's hilarious, oh my God, I love it.
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All right, am I up?
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- Yeah. - Yep, you're up.
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- All right, Federico returns to WWDC
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and tries a new food, and he doesn't like it.
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- Yeah, it's good.
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- Yes, I think he's gonna hire you, Mike.
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I think he's gonna hire you as a taster next year
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to make sure that his food hasn't been poisoned
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because I'm convinced that he thinks I poisoned him
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because the last thing that happened--
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- I forgot about this until I read it in a document today.
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- Right, the last thing that happened in 2022
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before he went to the airport was he and I went off
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and got a sandwich at some local sandwich shop.
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We got different sandwiches.
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He got food poisoning and was violently ill
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all the way to Heathrow, and so I think that he--
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- On the flight.
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- On the flight. - Yeah, it was bad for him.
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- Like barely able, I mean, really badly sick,
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and I'm convinced he blames me for it
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and that he's gonna worry that I'm gonna poison him.
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Just like he's convinced that you stole
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his heart rate monitor, he's gonna be convinced
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that I tried to kill him.
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- The thing that made that worse, I think, in a way
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was I was trying to convince him to come to lunch
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with me that day because he was super busy,
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and I was worried that he wasn't gonna eat, right?
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'Cause he had a bunch of meat, and so I'm like,
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look, just, you know, instead of taking this time
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to write something or whatever, come get lunch with me
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and then you'll be good, and he was like, no, no, no,
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like I'm gonna go with John, like fine.
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'Cause yeah, it was bad.
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- And it was a big rush.
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We did this really quick sandwich right before
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he went to the airport, and he basically,
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we ate a sandwich, I said goodbye to him,
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he went to the airport, and he started throwing up.
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- Isn't that, it's kind of incredible
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that the body can respond that fast.
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- Right, yeah.
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- Like that was something terribly wrong with that sandwich.
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- Oh, it was something horrible wrong with that sandwich.
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- It was a media, it was an immediate issue.
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Oh man, do you remember what was in it?
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- I, no, I don't. - Do you remember?
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- I don't, it was like a sub shop that we went to
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that was somewhere near campus,
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but I don't remember what he had.
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- I think it was like the sub shop with the,
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it was like a cartoon mascot of a bald guy, right?
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Or something? - Yeah, I think so.
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I think so. - 'Cause I saw that shop
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a few times and was confused by it.
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- Yeah, I haven't gone back. - I think it is a small chain.
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- Yeah, don't, don't go back.
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- You won't be allowed to go back.
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All right, my second passion pic is that Federico
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creates another Frankenstein computer device.
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I think he's not gonna stop doing this now.
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He's gonna keep cutting up computers.
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Like that's gonna happen.
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And also Federico will discover a new kickstand technology.
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- Okay, what does that mean?
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- He'll find something from somewhere,
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either like from a 3D printer on Alibaba or I don't know,
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but he's gonna be like, guys, I've got a new kickstand.
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And we'll all be excited for him.
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- Maybe it's like a multi-angle
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or has some sort of like friction lock.
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There'll be something for sure.
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- I gotta say, by the way,
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I really want you to do this for me
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the next time I'm off the show.
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- Okay, yeah.
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- Because I wanna hear what people think about me.
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- You can't hear it, that's the thing.
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You can't hear it.
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- No, but he will hear it a year later.
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- Eventually, yeah.
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- Eventually I'll hear it.
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- But like I really wanna know like what are my memes
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that I may be unaware of.
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So it's exciting, very fun.
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All right, Steven, what's your passion pic?
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- I just had one and it was Federico gets
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a new technology related tattoo.
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- That is a good one.
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Maybe it gets kickstand tattoo.
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- Oh my God, he should get like a kickstand on his ankle.
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- That would be like the strangest tattoo to get.
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What is that on your ankle Federico?
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It's a kickstand.
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Get out of my house.
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- He should get a kickstand or a magnet.
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He should get a tattoo of a magnet.
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- Or like the costume magnet.
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- Hang on, I'm putting a second one in there.
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Federico considers,
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Federico considers implanting a magnet into his body.
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- Oh my God.
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- You know, to like unlock the door or do something.
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I'm gonna say magnet and or NFC.
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- Yeah, NFC chip.
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- There's gonna be like,
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there is the potential for great moments in the show here.
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- Where like-- - Oh yeah, for sure.
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- He just says it and me and Steven start screaming.
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- You lose it.
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- He said it, he said it.
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He's gonna have no idea.
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This is exciting.
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- It's very good.
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- What a great idea you had Steven.
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This is so good.
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- Yeah, this is brilliant.
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It has come out so much better than I ever hoped.
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So thank you for playing along.
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And we'll see how this goes.
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I have a thing to check in July of next year.
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So we'll see what happens.
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- And you know he's gonna take another vacation then too
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so we can bring John back on.
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- Exactly, it's perfect timing.
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- He's always gone in July.
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Yeah, this is perfect.
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- Yeah, okay, so that's the Teach Olympics.
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There we go.
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If you wanna find links to the stuff
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we spoke about this week, we have them in the show notes.
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They're in your podcast player.
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They're also on the web at relay.fm/connected/510.
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There's a link right in the show notes.
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which is a longer ad free version of the show
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This week we spoke about the CMF phone one,
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a new device from the folks over at nothing.
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And Mike gave us a solo top iPad, Vision Pro update.
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So all that's in there.
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- I didn't know where you're going with that.
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Honestly, like just pausing on solo.
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I was like, what did I do?
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But yeah, you can find out for yourself, I guess.
01:18:33
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- Yeah, get connected pro.co.
01:18:37
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- It's in the show notes, that's the whole point.
01:18:39
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You can also submit feedback or follow up.
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We have a form online.
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There's also a link to that in the show notes.
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We'd love to hear from all of y'all.
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And you can find us all online.
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You can find Mike on Mastodon and Threads as iMike.
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And he is the host of a bunch of other shows
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here on relay.fm.
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And of course does excellent work over at Cortex Brand.
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You can find me as ismh86 on social media.
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I write 512pixels.net and I co-host Mac Power Users.
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It comes out each and every Sunday here on relay.
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John, where can people find you?
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- They can find me on macstories.net
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and I am @JohnVoorhees on all the social media.
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And I'm on three podcasts these days
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or four podcasts actually.
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Now I can't even keep track of them all.
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There's App Stories, Mac Stories Unwind,
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NPC, which is Next Portable Console,
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and Ruminate all on Mac Stories.
01:19:35
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John, thank you for joining us today.
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- Thanks for having me guys.
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- This was a lot of fun.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,
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Ecamm, Fitbaud and ExpressVPN.
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And until next time guys, say goodbye.
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- See you later.
01:19:49
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- The problem was we wait for Federico,
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but Federico's not here.
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- And I think John would necessarily assume
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that he was going first.
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- It was a long pause.
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I had to fill the dead air.
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- I didn't know who was gonna do it.
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And it turned out it had to be you John.
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- It went exactly the way I wanted it to.
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- Ciao Mike.
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- Ciao John.
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- Bye y'all.