512: The Simple Solution to Traffic 
   
   
 
 
 
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     Hello and welcome to Connected episode 512. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's made possible this week by our sponsors, ZocDoc, Vitaly, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and 1Password Extended Access Management. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am St. Jude Creator Achievement Award winner, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven Hackett, and I'm joined by St. Jude Creator Achievement Award winner, Mike Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, I am St. Jude Creator Achievement Award winner, Mike Hurley, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I would like to introduce the one true John, John Voorhees, who's back again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm just John. I mean, I don't have a title like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One true? One true is the title. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not quite the mouthful that you guys have, but hey, all right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No. Federica's still not dead. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's important to reference that as is referenced. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is not an act of succession. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is an act of vacation because it's the summer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And look, if you've been listening to this show for long enough, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know Federico in the summer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's here, he's back, he's here, he's back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's told us he'll be back and he's back for good, I think was the wording that he used. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So next week, so we can all look forward to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He told me that too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a rhythm to summer with Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's definitely a rhythm. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And look, I support a man's desire for vacation. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I support that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just came back from one myself, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really wish that I was on vacation this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This was a thought that I realized a couple of days ago where I thought, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh, I should have booked a vacation for this week, but I didn't. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You should have. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so here I am. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All your friends were on vacation last week and you guys were working. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     But I'm taking a long weekend this weekend. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what we're going to do instead, just like a London staycation. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But really, I should have had a vacation booked, but I didn't. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I'll figure that out later. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Stephen, what is the St. Jude Create Your Achievement Award? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, that's something that you and I were given last weekend at the Relay 10 event, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which I'm sure we're going to talk about in a second. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But during that event, we announced our sixth annual St. Jude campaign. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Our fundraiser we're going to do for them is going to start August 28th, so just four weeks away. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But in announcing that, you and I were surprised. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it was like genuine surprise. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In fact, one of the photos that somebody submitted at relay.fm/photos, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have this look on my face like a kid getting a Christmas present. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like I didn't know it was coming. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, you and I were awarded this for our work raising money and awareness for St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's this very lovely, very heavy glass piece. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And now it's in my office. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a very, very legit thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It feels significant. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's more than a paperweight. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, it was very big. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It could be used to weigh down a lot of paper. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Or someone's life. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, you could really commit a crime with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Maybe that's why Federico's not here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We dropped the Creator Award on him and that was the end. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Poor Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, so we just had our 10th anniversary show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thank you so much to everybody that was there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The audio of this event is available now in the Departures feed, which is where we put live shows. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven, I've already on a couple of shows this week spoken about Relay 10. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I thought I would want to ask you what Relay 10 meant to you a little bit if you wanted to share with a connected audience. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh man, it was incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, the company turning 10 is this amazing thing on its own. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm sure we'll talk more about it because the actual anniversary is a couple weeks from now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But being in this like sold out theater with 11 or 1200 people was awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And we haven't done one of these since 2019. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it meant seeing a lot of people we work with for the first time in a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was just it was so good and so much fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I had a blast. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And thank you for planning it all. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I'm sure people who listen to backstage and our other membership stuff know you planned all this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you and Adina did all the legwork and made it all happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it was it was incredible to be able to like walk in and be like, this thing is ready to go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have not had that experience before during our live event. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So thank you for making it special for everybody else. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was a pleasure. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it was it was the best night of my professional career. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it was extra special to me, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Being in London, like it made it like it took it like a level further for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it was just like that St. Jude award is like the cherry on the top. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it was already incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then to be given that too, it's just like, like, just absolutely wild. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like this was yeah, it was absolutely fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think it could have gone any better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm gonna I will apologize now for the fact that I will be posting photos from this event for like the next six months on Instagram. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because there's so many great photos that people are sending in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so yeah, I'm just gonna be just posting so many of these. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was just man, what a time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What a time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it was really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was great to have our families there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's great to have our coworkers there, our colleagues from St. Jude. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just all in all, just a real amazing experience. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And, you know, it was really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I suggest everyone start a company and let it run for 10 years. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Well, as someone who was there watching it, I loved it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, it was a lot of fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't make it to your fifth anniversary show in San Francisco because it was kind of in the middle of review time for us at Max Stories. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so this was my first time seeing you do kind of your Family Feud style thing live in person. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I loved it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it was a lot of fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The crowd was very into it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't see a single person who wasn't didn't have a big smile on their face and walked out of the theater happy and looking like they had enjoyed themselves. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We did a standing for the rules, which was like which was a day of show edition, which was incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My family were very confused about the stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They stood, but they had no idea why they were doing it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Is it time for the Pledge of Allegiance? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     I had to explain to my mom and my brother, like, this is just the thing that they do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just go along with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     It was so good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Such a good time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let's do some real follow up, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Real follow up dot MP3 dual display support has come to the M3 14 inch MacBook Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So people may remember that when the MacBook Pro was updated with the M3, there was a lot of like hand wringing because the base model system on a chip only will push two displays. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so on the notebooks, that means the built in display plus one external. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     People are like, no, it's a pro laptop. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You need more than one external display. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Look at this new character. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this prompted Apple to say, no, we're going to have a software update. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that came with Mac OS Sonoma 14.6, which shipped just a couple of days ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And now the MacBook Pro with M3 will run two external displays while in clamshell mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it doesn't allow three displays magically. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The system on chip is still limited to two, but if your laptop is closed, you could run two studio displays or whatever you wanted. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, Apple made good on this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What they said. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And here we go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When you read this headline, will you like me reminded that this was the thing that was like, oh, yeah, they did say that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I completely forgotten about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This was introduced for the MacBook Air. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this this was the timeline. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The machine was released in October of twenty three. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was like spooky Halloween event Apple did that was fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then the MacBook Air was updated and it had it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's when people really like what you could do with an air, not a pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so that was in March. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so it's been since March. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's only been three months as Apple said it, but, you know, almost nine months since the machine was released. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anyways, all all buttoned up now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if you're running Sonoma fourteen point six, I guess probably be the last major build, you know, unless something unexpected happens. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're getting close to the end for the Sonoma cycle, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I would think so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would think so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I mean, you'd hope so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it's August. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's August tomorrow. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Mike, tell us about your AirPods. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I got so I got so much follow up, like via the feedback form and on social media for people that have the exact same AirPods issue that I do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There were a lot of people who were trying to helpfully tell me about conversational awareness. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's not what I was talking about. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That is a feature that I choose to use. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But lots of people experience the same thing as me of basically feeling like your AirPods reboot. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I have not found any scenario from anybody sent in to reliably solve this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It tells me that there is a widespread enough issue that something's going on either with AirPods, with AirPods firmware or with its connection to the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I'm kind of just hoping that something will get fixed in the future. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, it's still happening to me and it seems like it's happening to many of the passionate ones. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I feel vindicated in that at least. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Have you started a gate? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What would it be? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Connected gate, connection gate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Connection gate? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like connected gate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let's do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, no, we don't need to drag the show into it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, no, no, no. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, we definitely do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Connected gate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't particularly want the clicks, you know, because I've seen what happens to people's lives when they have a gate for clicks. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Steven, come on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If I was going to do it for the clicks, it would have been a much better video. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven, it wasn't not for clicks. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It was to educate the public. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think it was super well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it was like a weekend thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I recorded that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay, so if people don't know, I had a gate once. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there's like the seven second video on YouTube I recorded literally in my bedroom with a phone doing a thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you could hear like birds chirping in the background because I recorded it in my bedroom on a Saturday for a blog post. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But, you know, these things are not helping. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There is a rule. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We've talked about this before. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And John, I know you're aware of this too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There is a relationship between the amount of time and energy you put into a project on the internet and sometimes how successful it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can work really hard at something and no one care at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or you film a seven second audio clip in your bedroom on a Saturday morning and it ends up on Good Morning America. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like sometimes those things happen on the internet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is one of those. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Look, 2016 was a different time for all of us, you know, and sometimes you just, you know, you just put something on YouTube, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And sometimes then it finds its way to NBC News. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:11:57
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     But my grandmother saw the news and called my mom wondering if I was in trouble. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, you weren't not. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wasn't in trouble. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:04
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     You weren't not in trouble. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:05
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     Like this is, I had a thing once, you know, I had a thing once with a, it was nowhere near this, but it was like something about an iPhone home button and gloves. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it was like the first capacitive home button. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I realized like, oh, it won't work if there's any kind of material in the way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that like became like a, it was nowhere, nowhere near this, but it was that moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And just like people writing articles about my tweet was like, yeah, I'm going to stop doing this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think Hissgate stopped even from doing this too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You kind of realize that it's not worth it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, unless what you really want is to generate this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There are people who this is what they want. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Like, click. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:49
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     And like clickbait is not about misleading people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just about trying to get attention for something. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And there are people whose careers are benefited by that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm definitely not. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't believe Steven is either. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I am definitely not because all I do is podcasts. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:08
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     And like clickbait does not help podcasts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And of course, you know, the two of you both right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And headlines, you do want a catchy headline to bring in people to an art call. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But catchy podcast titles I do not believe encourage listening. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's extremely hard for a podcast to go viral. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:27
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     And when they do happen, it happens in politics sometimes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:31
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     You know, someone says something they shouldn't. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:34
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     It's always actually just like video YouTube interview shows. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not what we do as podcasts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What we do is pretty antiviral, if you will. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The only clickbait that I can find success in in podcasting is naming a podcast episode after a video that Grey has done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That works pretty well. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Aside from that, if we name an episode of Cortex the name of the video he just published, it tends to do pretty good. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Outside of that, kind of nothing really. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If I just put state of the, that also helps me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I look forward to the next episode of Cortex, the simple solution to traffic. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or Canada and the United States bizarre border. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We may have done that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:21
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     I'm not kidding. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:22
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     We may have done that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, I actually don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if we spoke about that video, we probably named it that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:28
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     That's kind of like a thing we have done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Man, 40 million views. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:33
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     That's wild. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:35
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     So it helps, you know, to be successful. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, look, we have one here, like making, or we do this, like making and then the name of the thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:45
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     So we're like making the interstate's forgotten code in February 2022. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:49
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     That's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:50
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     Or call the episode AI Art Will Make Marionettes of Us All Before It Destroys the World. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:55
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     That was a good title. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:14:58
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     And it also generated a lot of views, but they weren't happy people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Speaking of clickbait articles and headlines, this is maybe the best headline I've written in quite a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This was published on June 26th. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm just a simple Macintosh user asking a bazillion dollar company for a better way to move tasks between lists and reminders. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:28
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     And I'm very happy to say that macOS Sequoia now includes the ability to move tasks between lists and reminders more easily. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:40
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     This is now example three or four, I think, of me asking for things for reminders and app that I don't use to be fixed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:48
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     Do you secretly work on the reminders? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:50
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     No, I think he does. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:52
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     But I run to the press every year and write a blog post and they've done this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:56
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     So now in the inspector and reminders and Sequoia, you can swap the list that a task is on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:03
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     Thank you, reminders team. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:05
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     Yeah, I would suggest that anybody who wants some feature in any OS that Apple makes just send an email to Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:12
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     That's what I do now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:14
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     I don't use the feedback app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:16
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     I ask him to write an article and that's because it seems to work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:20
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     Thanks, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:21
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     Thank you for your service, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:16:23
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     No, I mean, the trick is to ask for something small and logical. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:28
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     And sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:30
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     I still have a bunch of feedbacks that are still open to a bunch of other things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:34
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     But the reminders team seems very sensitive to good feedback. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:37
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     Can you write an article about the ability to have your device in dark mode but not have dark icons? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:46
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     Could you write that article, please? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:47
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     Dude, I have so many. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:50
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     Springboard in iOS 18 is a wild, wild place to be right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:54
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     Yeah, I'm sure you're very familiar with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:16:57
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     Yeah, I spent some time staring at the sun trying to understand. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:01
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     Springboard for your work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:02
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     I have not figured out the rhyme or reason to it myself. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:06
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     I don't understand it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:07
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     It doesn't make any sense to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:08
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     It's like, oh, you like dark mode and obviously you like everything dark. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:12
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     You are Batman. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:13
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     You must love everything in black. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:15
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     They've made some surprising decisions there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:18
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     Reminders, though, I got that dialed in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:22
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     All right, just got to work on the smart list next because that's the last thing that I think I really need is to have the ability to create a smart list that includes some lists but not all of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's pretty, yeah, it's, I mean, if you go back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:37
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     Fire up MozEdit, Steven, it's time to go. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:17:43
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     If you go back and look at some of Federico's old reviews, you'll see that he's mentioned it at least two or three times. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:48
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     Yeah, but see, that's buried in 180,000 words about iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:52
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     And the trick is to write a blog post with a good headline and include that in the feedback and include the feedback number in the blog post and then hope for the best. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you have a webinar I can sign Federico up for maybe? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:05
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     Well, it's a course. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:07
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     A good headline webinar. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:09
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     A little SEO webinar that I can send Federico to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:13
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     We'll pay for it with the, you know, out of the back story's budget. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:16
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     Yeah, John, sometimes when I'm writing, the headline comes first. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:22
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     What about you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:23
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     Are you a headline first person or? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:25
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     No, I am a person who writes title at the top and then just writes the article and does it at the end. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:18:32
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     Almost always. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:33
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     Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:34
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     You guys know about the way YouTubers work, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:37
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     They think about the thumbnail and then work backwards. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:39
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     Yeah, the thumbnail sometimes comes before the idea for the video. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:44
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     Like the idea is to title the thumbnail and then they make a video. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:49
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     I've wondered why I am the way that I am in this regard. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:53
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     ►  
     That's a bigger topic for another day overall. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:56
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     I've accidentally... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:57
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     I've paid a lot of money to work that problem out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:00
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     Let's get comfortable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:02
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     This is going to take all afternoon. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:05
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     I've accidentally... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:06
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     Stephen, just lay back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:07
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     Lay back on this couch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:08
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     ►  
     I've accidentally created reconcilable differences and therapy all at once. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:12
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     But I think it's because in high school college, the student newspaper thing and in college, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:18
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     one of my many tasks over the years was actually to write headlines because our reporters, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:25
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     they'd often mock something in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:27
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     But I was in charge of layout and design of the paper. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:29
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     And so I very often would take their headline and rewrite it or tweak it to make it fit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:34
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     or kind of flow better with what we were doing overall. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:37
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     And I think that is what... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:40
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     I still think that way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:42
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     That reminders post, I had it in my back of my mind because I'd written about it before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:47
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     It's like, "Oh, I need to revisit this." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:49
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     And the headline is what came first about the, "I'm just a simple user asking a bazillion 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:53
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     dollar company." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:54
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     Kind of like the boom box outside the window kind of feeling. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:59
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     Have you seen the movie? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:01
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     Do you know what movie that is? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:20:05
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     It's Notting Hill. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:06
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     It's Notting Hill. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:07
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     I have never seen it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:08
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     That's a great movie. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:09
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     You should watch it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:10
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     You've been in London now so you'll like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:11
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     Yeah, it's a good one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:12
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     Yeah, it's... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:13
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     Oh, what is the name of the actress in that movie? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:20:18
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     Let me look up in call sheet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:20
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     Notting Hill. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:21
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     Julia Roberts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:22
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     I could picture her, but I couldn't think of a name. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:24
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     ►  
     Julia Roberts standing in front of Hugh Grant. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:26
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     ►  
     Spoilers for Notting Hill from 1999. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:30
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     And it's like, I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy telling her to love him. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:35
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     Him to love her or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:36
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     ►  
     I've ruined that line. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:37
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     ►  
     Steven, go watch the movie and then report on the line. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:40
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     ►  
     This episode of Connected is brought to you by ZocDoc. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:47
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     ►  
     Being an adult has its high points. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:49
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     ►  
     Like you can eat ice cream for dinner or anytime, leave a social occasion early, or just not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:56
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     go and spend an easy early night at home. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:59
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     But it's not all fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:00
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     ►  
     You also have to figure out your taxes and what's for dinner every night and make doctor's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:04
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     ►  
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	 00:21:05
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     And for that one, there's ZocDoc, the healthcare app that makes adulting much easier. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:11
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	 00:21:16
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	 00:21:22
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	 00:21:28
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	 00:21:32
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	 00:21:36
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	 00:21:43
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	 00:21:49
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	 00:21:53
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     Using ZocDoc is a no brainer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:54
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     ►  
     You're looking for a new doctor or something new is going on in your life. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:57
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     ►  
     Maybe you moved, maybe your doctor retired. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:59
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     A whole bunch of things can lead into the need to find a new healthcare provider and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:03
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     ►  
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	 00:22:06
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	 00:22:14
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	 00:22:21
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     That's ZocDoc.com/connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:24
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     Our thanks to ZocDoc for sponsoring the show and all of Relay. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:28
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	 00:22:30
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     This is fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:32
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     Yo dog, I heard you like betas. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I could put betas on top of your betas. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven, what are these betas? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's 18.1, Sequoia 15.1, WatchOS 11.1, the WatchOS doesn't really have Apple intelligence 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff per se. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But this is the beta that brings along Apple intelligence. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now this is region locked as expected, not available in China or the EU. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple said as much earlier this summer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Weirdly there's a wait list in the developer beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now I did this the day after it came out because I was flying home when this was unfolding, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I was in in just a few minutes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So some people in our discord for members saying it was taking a little bit longer now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but basically you say, Hey, I want in and then you get notification that you're in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Jason was told that, Jason was briefed that for the developer beta, the approvals would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be basically instant. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And it seems so my read on that is they're just testing the approval system. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I think so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it took me about 10 minutes to get in I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mine was a little bit longer as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mine was like an hour or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But you know, I think maybe they were just like stretching it like, you know, short, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     long, short, long kind of thing, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But they're, I got the impression that for this beta they're not like wait listing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wait listing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I guess we'll see what happens if this will even still be a thing or what like later 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But the waitlist part of it is so weird to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you remember the mailbox waitlist? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like mailbox did so many things first and I think this was the first one and you'd 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get your number and you could like boost your number by sharing and like, it was absolute 
     
     
  
 
 
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     genius marketing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:24
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     Man, I miss mailbox so much. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Then it got sunsetted real hard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll never forget Dropbox for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anything else on mailbox you want to talk about? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:34
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     No, I think I've done my mailbox corner for this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:37
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     This is in conjunction with a bunch of in person Apple intelligence events. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The Cupertino, I think there's also, there are also some in Europe to bring developers 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Well, it's not Europe technically, I guess the UK to bring in developers to recap with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them what they're doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:58
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     Because there are some developer opportunities here to integrate with this stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it is a first beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:06
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     And so there are a bunch of things that are present. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:09
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     There's some other things that are not. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Some people are finding ways to work around the region locks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:18
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     You can see what the privacy stuff is doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:22
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     So there's actually like this report you can run showing you what's on device and what's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:26
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     been sent to the, what are they calling it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:28
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     The private compute cloud or private cloud computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:32
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     That's right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:33
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     Private the PCC or whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:35
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     That's what the kids call it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:37
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     I think private cloud compute PCC. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:39
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     When people say PCC, I always think of PRC and that's different. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:44
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     That's maybe not too different. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:25:47
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     You know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     We don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:25:51
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     Maybe it could be very similar or very different. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:56
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     So yeah, that's, should we talk about what is present in this release? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:26:05
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     So the summarization and writing tools are all here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:08
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     So if you're on a webpage and you go into reader mode, you can have it summarize it 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It pulls table of contents based on headers in an article, which is pretty nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:19
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     You can kind of click around pretty quickly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:22
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     The writing tools are here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:23
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     So that's the grammar checking, the tone shifting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:27
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     So Hey, I wrote this email to my boss. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Please make it sound friendly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:31
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     Please make it sound more professional. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:34
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     And on the Mac, at least those are all in line with kind of the other grammar and spell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:38
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     checking tools behind it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:39
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     Right click, which I think makes a lot of sense on the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:43
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     On iOS, it's like behind a button and you can kind of get to it, but the interface, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:47
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     what's your feeling in the keyboard in the keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:26:51
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     So if you select text, the little icon pops up in the quick type bar. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:26:56
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     But yeah, cause at first I was like, is it weird? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:58
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     Like you just put it in the cut, copy and paste thing, which has also made the cut, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:02
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     copy and paste thing hilariously larger. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I pad it's massive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:07
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     Yeah, it's massive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:08
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     But it's also like, cause also in quick type, like when you're, you know, you get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:13
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     like shiny, like colorful shiny text, which is recommendations from Apple intelligence, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:19
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     but it also has the little, I don't even know what to call that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did you in America, did you have something called the spiral graph? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:27:28
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     So the Apple intelligence logo looks like it was made on a spiral graph. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:32
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     Yeah, it does. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:33
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     It really does. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:34
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     Or yeah, it does. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:35
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     It looks like a seal, a tg seal approval too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it does look like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He does approve of all AI tools. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     He's well known for that actually. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     He's well known for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so yeah, it pops up as it shows the little spiral graph in the quick type thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can tap that and change the text off with it that way too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:56
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     In mail, you have the priority messages and summaries. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:02
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     For me, that's hilariously broken. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:03
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     I keep wanting to pull this email from my archive back into my inbox is like, this is 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:28:09
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     It's not, it's not even in my inbox, Apple like, I don't know what's going on there. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:28:13
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     I saw something like that too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:14
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     I have one today where it did the same thing and it got out my iPad and it had one email 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:20
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     and the, but then it made a box that was the entire width of the screen that was empty. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:24
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     So the whole width of my inbox was the priority thing and I have one email in it and you can't, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't, what I don't like is we're going to talk more about impressions in a minute, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:37
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     but like while we're on that, like you can't do anything with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:40
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     You can do is open the email. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:42
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     You can't like swipe it away. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:44
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     It's just open the email on nothing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:46
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     It's like, all right, thanks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:48
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     Yeah, it's early. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's beta one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:51
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     Yeah, I know. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:28:54
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     Phone calls can be recorded, transcribed and summarized. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I attempted this today and when I hit the button, nothing happened, but as I've seen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     online, people have gotten it working. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:04
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     So that's in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:07
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     You can type to Siri so you can double tap the bottom of the display and it brings up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:12
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     the type of Siri interface with just the keyboard, kind of a text box above the keyboard is all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:17
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     rainbowy showing that it's AI. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:20
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     Very exciting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:22
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     If you have not had that, had that working on your devices and you're running these betas, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:25
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     a restart should bring it, bring it back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:28
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     It did not work for me until I rebooted my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And then on the Mac, it's like command key twice or globe S because on the Mac, Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doesn't understand how keyboard shortcuts work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so some people use, some teams use command, other teams use the globe key. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very confusing over there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:46
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     And then, uh, some more summarization stuff and notes and messages, some better natural 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:52
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     language search and photos. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:54
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     And then what I think maybe the most interesting, and we'll talk about it in our impressions 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is the reduce interruptions focus mode is now, uh, now available to you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:05
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     What is, what's globus? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that like Siri? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:09
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     Like w is that what that is? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     I was like sitting here for ages. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:14
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     Like what could the S mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:15
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     I think it's intelligence. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:18
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     I got intelligence. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:21
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     So what's missing as of beta one, there's no image or emoji generation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:27
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     So no image playgrounds, no, you know, make an emoji of a dinosaur riding a space shuttle 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into the sun. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:34
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     There's no chat. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:30:36
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     GBT fallback is not here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:38
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     The AI photo editing is not here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:41
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     So the, you know, Oh, we move this in the background. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:43
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     You know, those were the tools that are basically kind of everywhere now for AI for nothing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:48
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     Those aren't there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:49
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     Uh, priority notifications and male categorization aren't here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:54
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     And then, uh, the entire world of like personal context, screen awareness type stuff also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lacking in beta one. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     I had some, some questions for the two of you. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:09
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     I want to get your, your expert opinions on this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:12
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     So this, this first one is like two questions in one, which is, will this come to the new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:19
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     so like, you know, we're assuming the iOS 18 is for new iPhones, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:23
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     Just when it always roughly launches, it's like around new iPhone time. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:28
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     Well, 18.1 ship on the new iPhones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:34
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     Will it come later and or could iOS 18 be released in like August? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:41
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     So I think that the new phones will ship with iOS 18. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:46
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     I think at the same time, 18 one will be in beta public beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:51
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     You'll be able to through the setup process, maybe add that if you want, uh, when you set 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:58
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     up a new iPhone 16. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:01
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     But I do think it's going to be later. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:03
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     I really do feel like these, especially given the state that these tools are in right now, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:08
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     I think it's going to be October easily before this, this stuff actually ships. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:12
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     What do you think, Steven? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:14
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     I think that's, I think that's about right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:16
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     I do not see them moving. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:18
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     I always say 18 forward. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:20
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     Uh, the normal timeframe. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:32:23
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     I think it'll come later. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:25
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     And I think even 18.1 won't include everything they've talked about. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:32:31
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     I think some of it may be 18.2. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:33
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     Vic Turner's discourse says if history is repeated itself, they'll release iOS 18 for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:37
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     a few days and then 18.1 will be on the new phones at launch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:40
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     That's been happening right in the last couple of years. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:43
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     It's been, it's been bug fixes though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:45
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     Not features. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:32:47
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     And then issues with the point O. Um, if this, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:53
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     Do you think there is a possibility that they may roll any of these features into 18? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:00
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     I don't think so. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:02
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     I think they want to keep these things separate. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:03
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     I, I really feel like this stuff is in alpha shape right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:06
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     It's not even really developer beta shape. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:08
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     I mean, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't work right or is weird or is just kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:13
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     not particularly useful at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:15
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     And I don't think they want to go out with new, with a new operating system on new phones 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:21
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     with something that's kind of semi broken. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:23
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     And I mean, yeah, it'll get a lot better over the next, you know, month and a half. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:28
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     But we're really, I mean, at this point we're like what, six, seven, eight weeks away from, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know, from 18 and from new iPhones. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I, you know, I really don't, I, yeah, I have a hard time seeing them putting it in 18, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anything of it really. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think too, they need to be mindful of first impressions with this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They've made a really big deal of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's a big deal in the industry, whether it should be or not, you know, side table that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for now, uh, Apple's made a big deal of it and they're going to want people's first uses 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of it to be as good as possible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't think that putting something early is like worth risking that because whenever 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they release it, there will be issues, I'm sure, but they want to minimize that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I could see them saying, look, uh, this is going to be an 18.1 and you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think like John said, it'd probably be in public beta by then. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So people will be able to get their hands on it if they really want to, because there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will be people who buy a new phone for this reason, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because this is not coming to older devices. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that gives a little bit of an escape hatch for those people who are like nerdy enough 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to know that and know how to get a public beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But for the rest of the world, it will just come out later. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm definitely coming around to what you said, John, about them maybe prompting people if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they want to install the public beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I could imagine maybe 18 on the new phones could have an Apple intelligence thing in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     settings that you would tap it, but you have to sign up for the beta for this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you want to, I mean, because that also tracks of what I think we'd all expected that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when these features launched to the public, they're being beta or anyway, and this would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just enforce that, like they're going to call this a beta even when it's available. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like even when 18.1 is shipping, they will still be calling this stuff a beta because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     why wouldn't you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like you have the opportunity to do that and nobody is going to be surprised about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you may as well just do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like they've done this stuff so many times, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like a lot of the photo stuff that they've done in the past, they've had, they've called 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it a beta when they put it out there, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As people that review, I don't know if you're doing any kind of reviewing this year, Steven, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I know obviously, Jon, you are, and you have, I'm sure some visibility to Federico's 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Doesn't this complicate things for you massively now? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I'm sure that you're running point one, but your review is about point O and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now you're like running a different, potentially running a different version of the operating 
     
     
  
 
 
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     system to the one you'll be reviewing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it does complicate things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know if it's massively though. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I haven't had a chance to talk to Federico about this because our vacations overlapped, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but he he's on 18.1, which I think the UI is separate enough that it's not going to cause 
     
     
  
 
 
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     him like some very technical issues with things like grading screenshots. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's like, I'm not on this, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like for him, it's, it's still 18. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, so there, there are a bunch of layers of issues here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One is he can't get this right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe he can, you know, figure out a trick to get into it at some point, but he doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have this available. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I suspect what we'll end up doing is he's going to publish his iOS and iPadOS 18 review 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day and date with its launch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then we'll do something different for 18.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe I'll write it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I haven't spoken to him about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, we, we should cover it, but if he can't cover it, then someone needs to cover 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And so maybe that'll be me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I've kind of been digging into it pretty deeply. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have not installed it on my Mac yet because of kind of the concerns you raised, Mike, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which are if I put this on my beta Mac, am I going to be polluting my environment in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a way that makes it more difficult for me to review 18? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I got to be really careful about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just don't have unlimited M1 Macs sitting around my house where I can have one, one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on each beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I don't know what I'm going to do yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've just been kind of playing wait and see because I was traveling the day this came 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I didn't put this on my devices until yesterday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm only like 24 hours into this anyway, but I'm kind of playing wait and see with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mac OS to kind of, to, to read a few articles, understand just if nothing else, how it changes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the way the system works. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I don't want to get into a position where I have trouble reviewing 18 because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've got 18 or 15 when I have 15 one on my Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that's kind of the things I'm thinking about right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a, it's complicated too in development land, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Cause I working on the iOS 18 releases of widget Smith and pedometer and everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:04
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     And so I have like one, my, my carry phone now is 18.1 because also I'm talking about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all this stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like we're doing it right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My test development phone is going to stay on the 18.0 track because that's what customers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are going to have. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what we're building against. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it is extremely complicated all of a sudden because it's unclear if the only difference 
     
     
  
 
 
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     between 0.0 and 0.1 is Apple intelligence or are there other things behind the scenes? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like you said, John, like pollute, I like polluting your environment accidentally even 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like not, you know, really having a full picture of what's what. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:46
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     So it is, it is complicated this year if you're covering this stuff or working in this space 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and even being a developer like Steven, what are you doing for testing of widget Smith? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So right now we're focused on 18.0 and so yeah, I've got a phone that's just running 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think we do not know is if 18.0 like a new beta of 18.0 comes out, will the 18.1 beta 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have the same stuff in it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are they running on different tracks? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Will there be some kind of conflict between them with some services or anything? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There could be all kinds of things that crop up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think where I am heading since I'm done with my big trip to Europe is I think I will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably run 18.0 on my desktop and 18.1 on my laptop and just cross my fingers that audio 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hijack continues to work on, I keep calling it 18, but 15. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I'll use 15.0 on my desktop, 15.1 on my laptop and hope that audio hijack keeps working. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I put 18.1 on the iPad that I have here at the studio because I was just really intrigued 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And this is because when we were recording upgrade and all this news dropped, a couple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of people in the Discord are like, "You probably shouldn't put this on your phone if you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     getting a new phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's going to potentially make that complicated because you're trying to do the setup process." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it does. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     No, it's not as bad as it could be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, but it's not terrible, but it's definitely not simple. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's definitely going to add complications. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so yeah, I actually do think that I'm leaning towards no beta on my iPhone this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     year because what I will probably want to use is 18.1 and I may just wait for my new 
     
     
  
 
 
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     phone and then put 18.1 on my new phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's probably the way that I'm going because 18 is not interesting to me, but 18.1, we'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talk about it in a minute, is more interesting to me than 18 is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't think I want to put it on my phone yet, but maybe I'll see how the next couple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of hours go and then just deal with this problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, for people who aren't familiar, the process now, if you're running a beta and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you migrate to a new phone, the new phone will say, "Hey, you're on a beta. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you want to download that beta here?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:12
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     And so it used to be you have to set the phone up, kind of fake it, like set the phone up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with no data transfer, install the beta, erase all content and settings on the phone, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then migrate to it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It used to be a true nightmare. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is better now, but it is an extra hoop to jump through still. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do wonder though, just the weirdness of having two beta tracks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know whether that's going to work, but you know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Oh, there's room for disaster for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It may be, I think there is a possibility where they don't... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I still don't think they're going to release iOS 18 early, but it may be that we get the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iOS 18 release candidate here pretty soon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And basically 18.0 is kind of done and put on the shelf, if you will. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It'll be on new phones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:03
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     It'll come out when it comes out in mid-September, but then moving forward, Apple's development 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is on the 0.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That could be a way to help alleviate some of these issues. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We just don't know because this is uncharted territory for everybody. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's so weird to be doing this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is unprecedented, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think this has ever happened before. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think there have been two betas this early. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     They run betas concurrently, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like 17.6 and 18.0. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But like two versions of the same unshipping operating system. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I don't think that's ever happened. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Especially as she says to him at this point, like when we're like midway through the cycle. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I want to guide us through some discussion of the things that are there, at least from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my perspective, the things that I've been able to use. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've not been able to use everything yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Some stuff for me is not working, like the creating of photos, movies, it's just not 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's just telling me it's analyzing my photo library. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I don't know what it's doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've seen video on threads of it working. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So some people weren't able to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The first part for me is Siri. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think they've messed up here by not making it, I feel like any noticeably better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know one of the things that it does. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's arguably worse, I'd say. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I like that take. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of the things that it does do now is apparently, you can ask multiple questions about the same 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing and it will hold some context. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I've seen some examples of that working. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've had some examples of that myself. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But there are certain things where it's like, they've created the new UI, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like the new UI and the typing to Siri. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And apparently, later on, as we spoke about earlier, there are going to be these personal 
     
     
  
 
 
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     context things and it will get smarter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I want to guide you through a conversation that I had with my assistant. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I asked, where is Steven? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it showed Steven on Find My. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I said, how's the weather there? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it showed me the weather for London. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I said, no, Memphis. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it did a Google search for Memphis. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now, that wasn't a great experience. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think launching Apple intelligence with the new look for Siri, but without any of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the major behind the scenes changes is a really bad idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I think people are going to think that it's going to be better and then immediately 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like say, oh, it still sucks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think that that is not great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think they had to do the Siri UI changes yet if they don't have the smarts behind it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think they should have waited to do that if it doesn't seem, at least to me, to be 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Like I even did the thing where it's like, what is 7 a.m. Pacific time, 7 a.m. U.S. Pacific 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time in London? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it still can't do that, but it just still can't understand that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so what I like, though, is have a little feedback button. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I tapped it and I fill out a thing and said, Siri should be able to do this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I submitted it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it came right to my email. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thank you for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     You're going to send it to a reminders team? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think that they're going to this isn't going to be great for them to have not improved, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not to not have the major Siri improvements ready, but to have changed all the UI and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be calling it Apple intelligence, because this is just the easy dunk of not that intelligent. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't really know why they'd open themselves up to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it is a very easy dunk. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the you're right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've had a very similar experience to you, Mike. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did the similar kind of thing with asking a series of questions, getting wrong answers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then saying, no, I mean this and getting the right answers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it it does have some of that contextual awareness. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     An awful lot of queries, though, are still responded with are still answered with with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     links to Google searches. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I I tried the thing like where you say, how do I turn on dark mode? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that works. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It does the it showed me the four steps from the iPhone user guide that you do for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you tap on it, it opens up in on the web, which is I asked it how to turn on Wi Fi and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it told me it couldn't. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, I was going to say that I asked it how to zap my PRAM in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it got you know what I just realized, like I was thinking to myself then I should 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talk to John like, oh, maybe maybe this like I think it series not answering things as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     good as a chat. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But then I remembered, oh, maybe when the church, you'd be tthing is that this might 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually get better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so like, maybe it maybe I am being too quick to judge. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And maybe when they enable that it might start to feel smarter because Apple will be pushing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a bunch of LLM stuff out to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It'll be a bad luck, though, because they'll be leaning really heavy on chat GPT. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think point is done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know what I was saying? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, yeah, they're going to lean into it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But you're gonna have to hit a prompt saying yes, send us a chat GPT. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's not that Siri is going to be better on. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm still hoping that if you have an account, that won't happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess we'll see. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I agree with you that overall, like the new UI plus the whole series a weird combination. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think I'm hoping that that's just like, because we're in this beta, like this, you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know, kind of already and not yet timeframe that we're living in at this moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But I think you're right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The new UI, which is beautiful, like whoever worked on all that, like just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All of the animation. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And they've really done a good job of like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They've killed it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Giving a look to AI. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I really like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think all that is obviously by design, because Apple's projecting, hey, this is different. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like this thing is new and exciting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it so far, the UI has written a check that the intelligence can't cache, but I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that will hopefully, hopefully change. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     There are a couple other things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I would mention too, that like, for instance, when I asked that question about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     turning on dark mode, when I said then show me how it on the iPhone took me straight to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     settings, it didn't actually show me how it just, it took me to, to settings. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then on the iPad, it actually showed me a toggle and the toggle, if I tapped on it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     didn't do anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's the advantage of a toggle that took me to settings. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So that was a little weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I may have actually gotten that backwards between the iPhone and the iPad, but you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's there's inconsistent UI and weird UI. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is what a toggle looks like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Show me a toggle. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like, well, okay, I get it that there's a toggle I have to do somewhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I thought that this, because it looks a lot like what you would get if you did a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Siri search, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you saw something from, from, you know, the app intense or whatever, but that was, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that was really funny. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I thought that was kind of crazy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Placeholder dot PNG. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There is something cool though, I think behind that, like if Apple can make that work where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you just ask your device, like, how do I do this or do it for me? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, that was the Bixby promise. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Remember that on Samsung phones? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     And no one's really delivered on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the thing that's, that's wild to me about that is that that's a known problem set, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like Apple knows all the features of iOS, like just make sure your, your robot knows 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about them all. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:32
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     And so I think, I think if anything, that will get straightened out because it seems 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:36
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     like such a low hanging fruit. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:39
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     Just use the URL schemes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, the, the, the other thing I tried was remind me to call Federico in things and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that, that kind of system with Siri has never worked super well where you're invoking other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     apps, but it doesn't work at all when you're typing to Siri. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And to Taoist. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Remember that you had to pronounce to Taoist. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Mike, tell me about the writing tools. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think out of the three of us, these are kind of most aimed at you. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     A real dullard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hi, welcome to the dance corner. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's me, Mike Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     John and I write professionally. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:52:22
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     Aimed at people like you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I feel like you pointing through the screen, but you are right though. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They are aimed at me because I don't want to put the effort in that you do too. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     See, that's the thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:33
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     I can't even speak. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:34
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     Make this more professional. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:35
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     Please rewrite like a podcaster. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:38
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     I think they work really well in the controls of the best that I've seen because, so when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you highlight the text, you highlight the text that you want to change and you press 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:47
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     the little button, you get given like a pop up, which is, you know, you can basically 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:52
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     rewrite this or, uh, I don't have it in part of me, but, and then you have things like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:58
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     they have a couple of different styles, like professional and friendly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:01
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     They have a couple of buttons too, which I like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:03
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     Make this a list, which I just think, yes, oh, I love that because I love a good list. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:08
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     And I think they, they work really well and I will be using them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:12
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     Like I've been using chat GPT to do this kind of stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:16
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     So for example, I will write a episode description for a show and I was just like, okay, take 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:21
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     this and clean it up, you know, like fix the grammar or maybe I want a different way to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:26
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     say it, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:27
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     And I liked that it has both of those. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:29
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     You can basically have proofread it, I think is the word that they use to, you know, fix 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:33
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     things, but then you can also change the tone if you want to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:37
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     When you do that, it takes over the quick type bar again and you have, you can actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:41
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     rate the response, which I don't know how long that will last for. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:45
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     Like if it will be into the release and probably, but you can have a button to like do it again, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:51
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     you know, like redo it again or revert back to how it was. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:55
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     And I did some comparisons. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:57
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     So like I took a look at some stuff that I'd asked chat GPT to do and I liked apples, not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:05
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     necessarily better, but I liked it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:06
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     Like, you know, I was like, oh, I would use that for episode description instead of what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:10
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     I would use to check GPT for. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:12
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     So, and I'm happier to use that in apples free built in tools than to, I mean, I could 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:18
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     use free check GPT too, if I wanted to, but that I don't have to use another service for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:22
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     this and what eventually I won't even need to copy and paste it into another app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:27
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     Like it would just be on my Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:29
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     I'll just select the text and just do it right there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:32
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     I think that these tools are as good as I would want from something like this with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:38
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     best UI that I've seen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:40
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     I don't need to say rewrite this in my style, you know, forget all previous instructions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:45
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     I don't have to do any of that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:47
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     There is no prompting because it is done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:50
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     And I think that's very smart from Apple's perspective too, because they are limiting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:54
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     the problem set for this with just all you can do is hit these buttons and we've trained 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:00
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     our LLM to understand what these buttons mean. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:04
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     And it also does a good job of like, if you do the proofreading, it like pops the words 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:08
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     or the punctuation in that it's changing so you can very clearly see what it's done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:15
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     And you know, the animations are good, but also a little bit janky, but I know that will 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Like the text at the moment kind of like flies out of the screen a little bit, which I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:26
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     think it's supposed to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:27
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     It's going to the cloud, mate. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:28
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     Again, I'm doing all this on my iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:30
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     This is not what you wanted? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:31
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     Just get rid of that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:32
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     That's terrible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:33
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     But yeah, I really like these tools and I will be using them for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:38
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     I think that there is a much better way of doing this kind of thing than other tools 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:43
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     that I've used. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:44
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     And the output is good enough. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:46
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     Yeah, it is nice having those tools wherever you are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:50
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     Like I use Grammarly's Safari plugin because I write a lot in our CMS and Grammarly is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:57
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     ►  
     just there like monitoring and making sure that I'm not doing anything silly with my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:02
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     typing there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:03
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     And I think for a lot of people, once it's built in and it's just there, it will be their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:08
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     first experience with tools like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:10
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     And that is going to put companies like Grammarly and other players, I think, on notice a little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bit now that something's baked in first party. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think a lot of people will be using these things in the fall who don't even know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they exist right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Never heard of a Grammarly or things like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think they're a little, the tools are a little hidden. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's weird that it's in a pop up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I guess there are the buttons, as you said, Mike, there's more than one way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to kind of get to these, but I think it is a little bit semi hidden at this point, which 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think is a little odd. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not sure why that is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's just an iOS UI problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like this is just like, they're just layering things on top of everything because, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what are they going to do? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I could imagine a world in which it's more built into the selection, like the text selection, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like maybe there's a little pop under rather than a pop over, which has this stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, if you don't have a keyboard, what are you going to do? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, the action menu is doing too much. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, it seems like the kind of thing that needs to be tied to one of those menu buttons 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or something where they can kind of do it in an outline form and have a bunch of different 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I'm kind of ambivalent about a lot of these tools. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the proofreading one is the best of the bunch and that it seems to be pretty accurate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it allows you to kind of step through the changes and understand why it's suggesting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the changes, which I think is good. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That, you know, that's very much just like Grammarly and other tools that are out there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that do something similar. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But as you said, it's built in, Steven, and it's, that's, that's great because I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Grammarly is an expensive subscription. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like $120, $130 a year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm sure there'll be a lot of people who, who moved to something like this, myself included. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know about the rewriting tools. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I found them to be okay at best. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They don't handle markdown particularly well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They do okay, but not, they, I've found the mangling URLs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I found the different tones to introduce grammar mistakes sometimes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the summaries are, are so general to be virtually useless to me throughout the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Especially when you're on a webpage. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean the, the writing ones I haven't used a lot yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I, I can't, you know, I mean, I have to heavily caveat all this by I've had this installed 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for 24 hours and I've only had it with everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And most you've had it 48 like this is all day, day two or three impressions. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So, so yeah, and like, look, I, I it's, I think there is a place for this kind of rewriting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff for certain kinds of writing and things like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just not something I'm ever going to use. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Not even for an email. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the email and messages summaries are the best features. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So email summaries, I love the inbox summary. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It seems inconsistent as to why or why not it may give that summary, but it's, it's doing 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But like for example, you can also open an email and there's a summary thing at the top 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it would do this for the entire thread if it's a threaded conversation or just for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     an individual email. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That I do actually think is very useful because you get a lot, especially when you get a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of HTML emails with a bunch of images and I don't know, I mean you just want to know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:43
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     what are the two pieces of information that are shoved way down the page that are in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I found that it did a pretty good job on a couple of emails I got from companies that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:51
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     were just like alerts about something that was happening. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Like I booked a hotel today and in the, like the subject, what would have been the subject, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess the subject summary or whatever they call it, it just said like booking made from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this date for this date, it costs this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:07
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     I was like, that is like, that's all I ever need. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:10
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     I don't need to open that email. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Also, like I, you know, I subscribe to email newsletters like we all do and I got an email 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:16
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     newsletter, it was very long and I had summarized this and it gave me the information and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:21
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     I was like, oh great, I do want to read this one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:24
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     And so like I liked that where like, you know, like an email newsletter that's about six 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:29
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     different topics rather than me scrolling through and seeing what those topics are, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:33
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     the summary could tell me. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:00:35
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     That button I think is actually very useful. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:36
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     I'm not so sure about the summaries that are in the list of your messages because, you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:44
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     know, it's still only three lines long and for the most part, if someone writes you a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:47
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     decent email, you're going to be able to, I get more out of who the email is from than 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:53
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     what the first three lines say anyway and I don't think that the summary is going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:57
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     change that behavior, but I think if you do open it because you do want to see what's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:02
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     in it, what you said with the button that's there, being able to summarize that and not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:06
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     scroll all the way through is a nice feature. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:09
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     I think it might be better when we have a situation where there's like back and forth 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:13
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     and we've not read them and so like, because I think the iMessage summaries are a good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:18
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     example of this because I've been getting those. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:21
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     So I feel like so far it's been hit and miss, but mostly hidden as given like a basic idea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:30
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     of what is going on in a group thread. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:32
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     So these show in notifications, but also in the message list. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:38
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     Again, it's still a little bit unclear to me to what exactly triggers a summary. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:43
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     Like I have had a summary for one message. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     And it wasn't a particularly long message, but it was a paragraph. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:54
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     Someone just sent me one message and they, I think what was particularly helpful is they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:59
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     were talking about having like a busy couple of days and maybe we should talk about this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:05
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     in a couple of days. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:06
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     So I think it was the kind of thing where the system could really easily give me that 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:02:11
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     But I've also had them for, I had one where it was a conversation I had with my two brothers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:18
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     and it says one of my brothers was sharing photos and screenshots of social media posts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:23
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     and I'm like, yep, that's what my brother does. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:25
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     Take screenshots of social media posts rather than sending them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:29
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     One was a conversation between me, Steven and James Thompson, where James is sending 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:34
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     us some pictures of the live show and it said shared photos of an auditorium of a stage 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:38
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     and a projector screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:39
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     Yeah, that's exactly what it was. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:41
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     There was a conversation between the three of us where I think it did the best of what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:45
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     it could, where it said connected this week despite John's absence. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:49
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     Now it was obviously Federico's absence, but we didn't give in the message that context, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:56
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     so I actually don't really think it could have gotten that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:00
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     And then another one was with me and Adina and the Liszt family talking about having 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:06
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     a civil entry into the United States and having to wait for the train that they were getting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:12
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     It was a 16 message iMessage thread and that was the general conversation that was going 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:03:18
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     So like I really like these for group threads, but there I have two kind of things that I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:24
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     not sure about. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:27
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     Obviously for group chats that I don't have notifications for, these summaries aren't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:32
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     there, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:34
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     Because I don't want notifications for them, but I would like the summaries. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:37
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     In fact, I would like the summaries more for those, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:42
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     And I don't think, I have not been able to confirm this, but if you have a, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:48
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     so like sometimes if you have it off for, you can still see it in the message list. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:53
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     It will still show the little summary in the message list, but if you have a conversation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:58
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     as a pinned, I don't think it shows them for pinned messages at the moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:02
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     And I don't know if it will. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:04
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     Oh, interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:06
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     That one, the notification that I mentioned that was a truncated one message, when I opened 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:12
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     it, I have that person as a pinned contact and it didn't show me the summary there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:18
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     It was the little bubble that was above their name. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:20
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     So I don't know if that's a decision or again, this stuff is early, but there is this funny 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:26
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     thing of like, but I would like, say like our group chat that the three of us in Federico 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:32
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     have, I have that muted because it can be very noisy, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:35
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     And it's, I assume we probably all have that muted notification wise. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:39
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     But I would really love it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:04:42
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     It's too busy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:43
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     It's too busy and we're all busy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:46
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     I would love to get that for this, but I don't know if I can because I don't get notifications 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:04:52
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     So interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:53
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     But yeah, I really like the summaries of the conversations. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:00
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     I think it's a really cool feature that works so far pretty well, like about as well as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:05
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     I would imagine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:06
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     Well, that explains why I haven't seen any of this because I really have my noisiest 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:11
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     group chats pinned as it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:13
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     So I haven't really in the last 24 hours, I haven't had any non pinned ones where they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:17
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     were like, you know, half a dozen messages or whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:21
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     See, this is the benefit of me setting this up on a device that I don't use all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:27
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     Like it's not on my iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:28
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     So like I haven't muted all of those notifications, all those messages, threads. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:33
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     So like I'm getting the things for them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:36
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     So yeah, it's a very interesting feature. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:40
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     And I think will be super useful for people that have a lot of message conversations going 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:48
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	 01:07:22
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     It's uh, it's Performa Month. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:24
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     Y'all excited? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:26
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     Performa Month. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:27
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     ►  
     Performa Month. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:28
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     I didn't know that was a thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:32
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     Performa Month. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:33
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     ►  
     What is now John? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:34
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     ►  
     Are you celebrating? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:36
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     ►  
     Can you feel it? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:38
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     ►  
     You require it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:39
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     ►  
     I do require it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:41
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     ►  
     Look, when chat GPT first came out, I did this thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:50
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     ►  
     I asked it a bunch of things about the Performa and it didn't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:54
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     ►  
     And so I'm writing a series of blog posts to train AI models to answer Performa questions 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:59
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     ►  
     better for the people that come after us. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:02
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     ►  
     Is this genuinely the reason you're doing this? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:04
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     ►  
     No, doing it because it's a really good idea that no one told me I shouldn't do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:09
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     ►  
     That's not true either. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:10
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     ►  
     Jason Snell begged me not to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:12
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     But really here we are. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you may be asking, what is Performa Month? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:17
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     I'm intrigued. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:18
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     What is Performa Month? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:19
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     Well, in the month of August. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:21
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     How would we celebrate? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:23
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     How do you celebrate? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:24
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     You celebrate by reading a series of blog posts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:27
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     The most exciting way to celebrate. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:29
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     Really the way that our founding fathers wanted us to celebrate as a nation is to read blog 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:35
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     posts via open RSS feeds. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:37
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     And as long as there's a drinking game involved with it too, I'd be okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:41
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     Drink every time I write the word Performa in August and you will be dead because in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:47
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     five years from 92 to 97, Apple shipped over 40 models with the Performa badge and no one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:54
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     knows anything about them except that they were bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:57
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     And so I wanted to help the people because I'm a man of the people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:03
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     And I've got a series of blog posts coming out in August covering every single one of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:08
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     those models and their history and where they came from and why they were bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:09:14
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     You have 40 machines in 31 days. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:19
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     It's about 13. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:20
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     Who are you doubling up? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:22
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     Well, it's about 13 or 14 blog posts and I'm about halfway through writing them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:28
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     I've been working on this for a while in the background. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:31
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     This explains some of the weird stuff you've dropped into our group chat. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:35
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     And if you've been reading 512, I've been like, there were several things like while 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:38
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     researching another project, this is the other project. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:42
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     So I've been deep in the Apple history archives in dev and think and online because when you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:48
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     covering stuff from the 90s is actually really hard to find sources and you really got to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:53
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     kind of like dig deep and things very often don't agree with each other. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:57
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     In fact, I wrote a post yesterday that you'll see in a couple of weeks and sources just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:03
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     don't agree on how much the thing cost. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:05
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     And so I just wrote I don't know how much this cost because sources disagree. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:10
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     But it the performance often pointed to is like everything wrong with Apple in the 90s. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:15
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     And the line itself right there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:20
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     There's no unique computers in the performer line. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:22
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     What the performer was, was rebadged other Mac models stuffed to the gills with bloatware 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:30
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     and then sold at a discount through big box retailers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:33
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     And for a lot of people, it was their first way into the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:37
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     So in some ways it did work right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:39
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     Apple wanted to reach more families with the Macintosh and this was the way they did it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:45
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     to bring prices down. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:46
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     They stuffed it full of software no one wanted or needed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:49
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     And it wasn't unsuccessful, but it was probably misguided. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:55
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     And as we get into this August unfold, you will see that Apple really didn't have a plan 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:03
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     going into this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:05
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     They basically would just like stroll through their own catalog of Macs and pick something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:12
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     and see what partners would be willing to put their software on it at a discount. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:17
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     And then they would sell it to Sears or to Montgomery Ward or whoever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:22
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     And it's very confusing and there's so many models because they would release like the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:28
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     465 and the 467 or whatever like those are the same computer but different size hard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:35
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     drives so they got different model names which is not how anything should work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:39
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     This has been built to order but it spawned a bunch of product names and a bunch of products 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:44
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     that didn't really make sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:46
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     And it's been fun but also kind of frustrating in places trying to untangle it all for everybody. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:52
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     But that's what's up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:53
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     That's what 512 pixels is going to be about in August. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:55
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     It's going to be all about the performer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:58
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     This is a joke just for John but maybe like Mac performers is basically like the Ioneo. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:04
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     They just had another one going on sale a couple of days ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:12
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     Of course they did. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:13
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     You can set your watch to that thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:15
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     Oh yeah for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:17
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     Stephen give me an example of bloatware on the performer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:20
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     Okay so the Performa 560 had Clarisworks 2.0, Mac link plus translators, Quicken 4.0, Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:30
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     and tax 1040, Wealth Builder 3.0, Personal Recordkeeper 3.0, Willmaker 4.0, After Dark 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:36
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     Starter Edition, Datebook Pro, Touch Base Pro, Apple Heritage Dictionary 3rd edition, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:43
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     Apple Edition of America Online, Groyler's Encyclopedia, Time Almanac of 1993, Monopoly, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:51
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     the World Tour Gold Edition. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:54
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     Those were all pre-installed on your hard drive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:58
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     And then you got on CD another encyclopedia or the Encyclopedia of the Almanac and Monopoly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:06
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     World Tour were all on on those CD-ROMs. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:10
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     So a bunch of software on the disk, a bunch of stuff on CDs. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:15
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     Not all performers came with CDs, CD drives so it varied obviously. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:21
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     But yeah it's a real situation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:25
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     I don't understand why somebody would need an app to make their will. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:30
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     Like how often are you doing it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:33
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     A lawyer might be a better choice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:35
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     Well I mean now you just ask Apple intelligence to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:40
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     Yes of course. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:13:43
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     See that's a little joke about AI taking people's jobs. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:48
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     No it's good, it's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:51
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     When Stephen told me he was doing this I said to him that seems like a lot of work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:55
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     I respect the commitment and if it makes you happy you should do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:58
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     That was my response and I messaged him and he told me he wanted to do this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:02
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     It does seem like a lot of work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:05
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     What did you say about performers that they were, what did you say misguided and what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:11
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     was it that you said? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:12
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     The performer? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:13
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     I mean to a degree it did its job of like getting people their first max but it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:20
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     a pretty weird way of doing it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:25
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     And Apple, what they should have done and what they did when Jobs came back and got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:29
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     rid of all this mess was just make a really good consumer Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:33
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     But they weren't able to do that back then and so they got a bunch of quadras and LCs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:40
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     and other machines and just literally just put a different name on them and sold them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:44
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     through a different channel. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:46
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     Do you think that this could end up in a scenario where you buy all of these? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:53
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     This was the path of the IMAX. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:56
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     I did buy one because I wanted a photo of something really specific but I've only bought 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:02
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     one computer so far and I'm like halfway through writing these. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:05
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     So far so good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:06
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     At least you said so far. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:08
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     You didn't say I've only bought one or I'll only buy one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:11
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     You said so far so you know yourself. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:14
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     There was one, it's actually the Performa 200 so that article comes out on the first. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:21
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     That one I really wanted a photo because that article is about like no these really were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:26
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     just other Mac models with new names and a bunch of bloatware. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:30
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     And so that one I wanted a photo of its actual counterpart but you never know what late night 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:37
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     eBay Steven may get into. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:40
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     Do you have a saved search for performers? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:43
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     No because it would be a lot of results. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:15:48
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     Yeah, I mean I don't imagine you'll actually buy a lot of Performas. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:54
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     Maybe I'll be proven wrong but at least with the IMAX it was a much more limited set of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:59
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     computers and they were actually nicely designed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:02
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     A lot of these are just beige boxes basically right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:06
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     Yeah, not a lot of inspired design work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:08
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     In fact the 500 series, that article comes out on the seventh is basically all about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:15
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     the design of the computer and the design is not good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:20
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     Yeah this is a sad eBay search. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:16:24
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     It's full of very uninspiring imagery. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:28
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     Dirty beige computers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:29
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     Yeah basically and they all look essentially the same. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:33
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     I did find a remote control with an Apple logo on it from a 1995 Macintosh LC 630 performer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:40
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     for 15 pounds. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:16:42
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     That's definitely not the name of the computer LC whatever you said 630 performer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:46
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     Someone's doing some clickbait in their eBay search. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:49
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     But it's just like this weird bit of Apple history that I have not explored. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:55
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     I have not done much work in the 92 to 97 era. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:59
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     A lot of work including like 20 max right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:02
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     Most of that stuff is in the Jobs 2.0 era or the very beginning right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:06
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     ►  
     These like middle years of just slog coming out of Apple is such a nightmare. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:13
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     So part of it was a challenge like you know what I haven't spent much time here and there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:18
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     ►  
     not a lot out there about these machines and it seemed like an opportunity to do something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:23
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     that probably for good reason no one else has done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:27
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     So here we are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:28
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     Yeah it seems like a real research challenge for sure given the time frame. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:33
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     Guess the price of an Apple Macintosh LC performer Quadra hard disk drive SCSI data cable on 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:17:41
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     What are they actually selling a cable? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:44
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     Yeah it's a SCSI data cable for a hard disk drive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:48
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     It should be like $8 but they're probably asking $100. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:52
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     Okay John do you want to guess? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 01:17:59
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     This is from John's vintage computer items. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:04
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     John is this you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:05
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     No it's not me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:06
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     Is this you John? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:18:08
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     I put a link to it in the Discord. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:09
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     No one should buy that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:11
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     That's ridiculous. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:12
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     It's just a data cable for a performer. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:18:15
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     So yeah performer month. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:19
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     Get psyched. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:18:21
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     That's right. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:18:23
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     Beige max all month. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:24
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     ►  
     Beige max all month. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:27
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     Beige let's go Beige. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:29
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     Let's go Beige. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:31
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     Let's go Beige. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:32
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     Steven no one has a commitment like you. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:18:36
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     Something like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:37
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     Because you must know you must know this isn't going to be the most popular thing you've 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:18:43
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     And probably like effort to clicks might be. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:47
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     It's going to be bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:18:50
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     ►  
     I respect you and your commitment you know for feeding the LLM. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:55
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     ►  
     It goes back to the conversation we had. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:57
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     I mean sometimes it's the things that you care about most that get the fewest views. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:02
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     I've been there a million times. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:05
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     ►  
     And look if you're out there and you want to sponsor this madness get in touch because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:09
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     I ain't making any money on this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:12
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     I'll sponsor it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:19:14
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     Okay we'll talk offline. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:17
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     Just a picture of me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:18
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     Oh just literally there's a picture of you on the page? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:21
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     Yeah yeah Mike is sponsoring this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:23
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     ►  
     Not any of my business endeavors just me. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:19:27
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     Come up with something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:30
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     We should sponsor it for Federico's birthday. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:19:35
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     This is brought to you by Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:38
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     You can do more real work on a performer than any of the iPads that he uses. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:43
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     I mean with all that software you know good luck making a will on an iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:47
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     ►  
     You can't do real legal work on a tablet. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:19:50
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     Great point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:51
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     Great point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:52
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     I think that does it for this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:54
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     ►  
     If you want to find links to things we spoke about especially performer month because my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:58
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     ►  
     gosh why would you not want to know about performer month check out the links there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:03
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     ►  
     in the show notes there on the web at relay.fm/connected/512. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:10
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     What a good episode number. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:13
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     Yeah we got pretty far into it about making lots of references to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:16
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     I know it's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:17
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     Although the header in Notion is a dock out this week which is fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 01:20:23
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     John thank you for joining us again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Where can people find you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can find me over at maxstories.net where I'm writing and doing a bunch of other podcasts. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Listen to MPC is so good. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     That's our portable handheld gaming podcast with Brendan Bigley, me and Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah that's. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not into gaming but it seems like a good time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not into performers but seems like good blog posts. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     We all have these things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thank you John for joining us once again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's always a pleasure to have you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thanks for having me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you want to find Mike his work is scattered across the relay universe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     A bunch of shows and he does a bunch of awesome work over at Cortex brand. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can find Mike on social media as imyke. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can find me at 512pixels.net home of performer month. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The best time of the year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Steven aren't you afraid that this is going to overshadow the St. Jude campaign? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's why this is in August and that's in September. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah but it starts August 28th. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     His last couple of days. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're not going to raise a cent. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The culmination of performer month. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let me tell you that past Steven has already thought about that and I have a solution to 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     You're going to destroy a performer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     John I will never do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Take that back. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     What sort of monster. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I actually already have the PCs plural we're going to smash this year for the podcastathon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you smashed a performer you might be able to find some $1,700 cables that you could 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     It's like a real good pinata. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What a pirate that person is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay you can find me at 512pixels.net and ismh86 on social media. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I also host MacPower users here on Relay each and every Sunday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'd like to thank our sponsors this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     1Password, Extended Access Management, Vitaly and ZocDoc. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'd like to thank our members who support us directly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you want to get connected pro which is the longer ad free version of the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a link in the show notes where you can sign up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:44
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     There's also a link in the show notes to leave feedback or follow up for this episode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We'd love to hear from you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Until next time guys. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Say goodbye. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:22:53
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     I did it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You guys wait too long. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I did it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     >> Thank you.