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So the name, it used to just be a tab in Notification Center.
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And they sort of kept the name and have remixed it in a bunch of ways.
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I do like there being a place for widgets that is not on a home screen.
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Like I think it's nice to sort of have like, oh, I have these other ones that I don't need all the time, but they're kind of stashed over here.
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And that I can scroll it so I can have a lot of things in Today View.
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The scrolling is a nice, is good, is a good point.
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So it's like easier to remember Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion, but California names are annual and like every basically everyone knows what a
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Okay, so we have this issue where we keep tying in the Ricky's right and some people have some feedback about that.
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So Mike wrote in have you considered adding a third round to the regular picks in the Ricky's most of the game end with the three hosts receiving their regular picks and not their risky.
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So an extra regular pick may force less Cernot picks in the regular round.
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I don't I think we would I don't think it would solve the tying issue and it would make the game solve the problem.
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We would just tie with three points every time instead of two because the regular pick rounds they're relatively easy to get like and and three picks.
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It's like for example me and Jason we do like 10 picks in the draft and like it comes down to one point being wrong.
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Right, so like we're clued in enough and there are enough rumors now that it's the whole point of the risky pick is to stop the tying from happening.
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I would expect by this is I know this sounds so ridiculous, but by the next WWDC someone will win a Ricky's by a score like it that they will actually do it like it won't come down to tie-breaking because I was really close this last time.
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I've had a potential rule idea in the event of a tie.
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What if everyone's name went onto a wheel or into a hat and Justin's opinion at three-way coin flip is weird because it just gives the odd one out a chance to instant victory, which what is what happened last time where I I won.
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I think this is interesting because if you put everybody's name is still an instant victory, but I think what they're saying is because two people have to pick one side of a coin and the third person has to pick the other right like it's always a one to two ratio and a hat makes it a one to one to one.
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Relationship not at this doesn't make any sense to me because sometimes with the coin flip we go for another round which is very fun.
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It goes to like a second round like all it's doing like and also it takes all agency away, right?
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If I if it becomes a hundred percent chance, I don't like that like in the scenario.
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We have the coin flip you at least got to choose if you wanted heads or tails and so you have agency in your decision and I'm thinking about this because if we tried to do this Federico would be so unhappy all the time.
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Because he would just constantly say it was rigged.
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At least this way with the coin flipping he has he has a decision to make and that decision is made and he has made it, you know, so this like that's the end of it.
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I will say one of my favorite things just in my entire career is that we have dice by pcalc as a person in our CMS.
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Someone named Jason Snell that can't be a real name had some flexi scoring feedback and basically wanting us to remove correct answers are worth one point and there's no penalty for wrong answers.
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And then we say winner will be judged by the percentage of correct answers.
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I get what he's saying, but I like that there.
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There's no penalty in the game, but this penalty.
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There's no point having that what sentence I think he's right.
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We could fix it because it doesn't matter that correct answers are worth one point when we only pay attention to the percentage and also there is in fact a penalty for wrong answers.
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Federico is gone so I have some headphones to review.
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Perfect someone's going to do it someone has to do it this came from both the conversation in real life with some friends and from listener Nathan going back a few weeks where I was talking about using a single air pod while bike riding or walking and Nathan and real life friends.
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Steven have you heard of bone connecting headphones these headphones leave your ears unstructured so you can hear your surroundings.
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I have some shocks open run and wear them whenever I'm walking running or riding my bike and I love them.
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Is this the company that used to sponsor ATP?
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Okay see this is interesting because I just recommended that Adina try these too because she sometimes she gets irritated if she wears air pods for too long but now she's wearing over ear Sony headphones and sometimes when I'm at home I come up the stairs and she jumps so hard she might hit the ceiling.
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Having taken all this feedback I ordered a pair of the shocks open run pro mini.
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I don't know the top of my head the difference between the pro and the regular ones the side the mini just is about the.
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The length of the band that goes around the back of your head and that's the one that fit me better so I've had these for about a week now and have used them on several workouts.
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If you just real quick before you do say that before we move on to your specific product they do like actual like AirPods style versions now.
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They don't have the band around the middle it's just like you just put these things on but these look like they go on your ears more than the other ones do but interesting.
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Yeah I think I think those are very new.
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The open fit I think is what they call those yeah open fit and they also have open swim which are waterproof and those have built in storage you can sync music to them because Bluetooth usually doesn't work through water.
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How did I say in your head though so they just like they go over your ear and go around the back your head I think it'd be okay but I feel like swimming like would they not get jostled off.
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I don't know I mean I'm assuming not but that's really cool that they have those.
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Yeah and they're like IP68 waterproof rating and they look pretty cool.
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We didn't bother with these ones gang we're just seeing how it goes.
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Yeah it's super cool you can sync music to those because yeah if you're you know changes all your phones in a locker or something you don't have it poolside and even if you did Bluetooth and water don't really mix so.
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Wow they also do one with a little microphone.
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Yeah and you can that's that's when you know you're a real professional you're like taking a conference call it's like oh I'm in the pool tell me about the quarterly numbers you know.
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Don't think the pool and the there's a different products.
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So the the open run pros they go over your ear and they have a little pod that sits in front of your ear kind of on your high cheekbone I guess like where your jaw bone you know right in front of your ear and it vibrates and you can hear what's going on the effect of this is that I've never used a product like this but the effect of this is the soundstage to me feels like it's somewhere inside my skull.
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You don't really notice it listening to podcasts but listening to music the it just it's it takes a little getting used to it's not bad it's just different from anything I've I've tried before the sound quality is fine like these things don't sound incredible but they're vibrating through your skull and not you know directly firing sound into your ear canals.
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But music is fine podcast or I think a little bit.
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I guess we're fine I found that I needed like I'm sensing a theme here it's just I mean they don't sound incredible you're making a trade off for I can hear the world around me right yeah I did I did feel like I need to have podcast of louder than the music to make it clear but both are.
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Fine the call my quality is not good like I called somebody and they said I sounded like I was across the room so does it have a microphone or is it also using the bones it it does have a microphone I think.
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Okay you need to get the one with the little expand expandable microphone yeah yeah dual noise cancelling mic for clear calls but it's just built in somewhere I guess.
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And these are IP 55 water resistant which basically means you can like sweat but you don't you don't want to get the the ones that I have you don't want to get them wet so.
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Right so yeah so comfort wise our glasses and that like I just feel like there's a lot going on over my ears with glasses and these.
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But that would be true for like what are the beats that go over your ears the beats fit or is it on these the ones your wife uses yes but I don't know what they're called.
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Okay because I mean their names are complicated yeah the beats branding is hard to keep up with but the beats Sequoia they.
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They are that's no different than those sorts of headphones but totally fine like it once you get used to it they're pretty lightweight the frame is made of titanium and like they're kind of plastic and rubbery so they're they're not heavy at all.
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And you can hear the world around you and so it's not something that I would wear you know if I was going to sit down and listen to some music but I think for.
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Exercising out in the world this is a nice a nice alternative and one thing that I realized after the second or third time I use them was.
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With AirPods at least if you get sweaty like it kind of feels gross after a while like maybe this is just me or TMI or something but it's like my ears feel hot and you know this is like.
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You know yours are just open and and it seems also to me I don't know.
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How true this actually is but as someone who is very mindful about his hearing I feel like this is a better alternative then.
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Wearing AirPods at a at a higher volume right.
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Yeah but some important follow up the open fit air they are not bone conduction.
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But they're open though like so they're they kind of don't go in they like go on your ears and they they kind of have a speaker that plays into your ear but they don't it's that they're closer to headphones.
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That's cool so it says open fit isn't a bone conduction headphone it uses direct pitch a brand new audio experience made for open fit it allows for premium audio quality that perfectly balances blah blah blah.
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That's weird to me though like you're the bone conduction company and now they're not doing that but these are still open so you can hear but I guess it probably sound better but it will sound better.
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Yeah and the bone conduction stuff but yeah interesting yeah so you think because you didn't I mean on like up until the very end of your little mini review that you didn't seem to keen on them but it sounds like you might use them instead of AirPods now when you're walking around.
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I think the trade-off is worth it I think is like a standalone in isolation thing like this is not something I'm going to use sitting at my desk.
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But I think on my bike the trade-offs are probably worth it to be able to hear more clearly around me.
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Yeah especially on the bike but what about when you're walking?
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I think the I think the walking could be like 50/50 AirPods or this I think both are fine and especially as I've talked about I'll just use one and switch it depending on what I'm doing.
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I could tell you if I were walking like I mean like in a city city like downtown Chicago or something I would wear these way before I ever wore AirPods on like busy city streets.
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You know you've been in my neighborhood like I live in a I live in the middle of the city but it's a suburban type neighborhood.
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Walking I don't ever feel like is a huge safety issue I'm probably more mindful of it than I need to be but in a big city or definitely on the bike I think these are these are gonna stick around.
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But they don't sound incredible because they're vibrating your bones.
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Feels like maybe more podcast than music would be the goal for the bone conduction ones.
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I think so. The spoken word maybe better than getting the crunchy mids and the tinny basses and the deep low highs.
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This is like you gotta turn them on and you gotta pair them and the auto pairing is really fast and they have their own volume controls separate from the phone which is like not something AirPods have.
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I think it just gives you a better or a bigger range because you can turn the headphones up and down and then also the phone up and down.
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Or maybe it's just because these things are universal right they work with all phones maybe that's more important on the Android side I'm not sure.
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AirPods Max only has its own audio control when it's plugged in via the cable.
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The information is reporting that Apple are shifting focus away from a Vision Pro 2 towards a Vision product, a cheaper, lighter, pared down version of a VisionOS headset.
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Apparently they are aiming for a $1,500 price tag which is $2,000 less than the current one.
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Although they are apparently struggling to decide what exactly gets cut from the experience with a product aim to be on the market by the end of 2025.
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What's your take on this? What's your initial feeling on this?
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I think a lot of the Vision Pros issues in the market are price based.
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I think a lot of it comes down to that $3,500 is a lot of money and that means the user base is small which means developers have a harder time justifying a big expensive development project to support it.
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And it means that the media stuff also isn't there because the user base is small. If it is cheaper, more people will use it.
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That doesn't fix all of the Vision Pros issues but it sure seems like it's the top of the list.
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I think if Apple can remix this product into something that is noticeably more affordable, it is good for everybody. Good for Apple, good for users, good for developers.
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I agree with your statement but I still think $1,500 is the same problem.
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I do not feel like a $1,500 price tag is going to result in materially different sales to $3,500 in a way that would make the platform significantly more successful.
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Yes, $1,500 is still expensive but it's MacBook iPad Pro territory not 16-inch MacBook Pro territory.
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Right, but the price to make a difference is $500. That's the point. If they can't get this product down to the price of a Quest, it won't work.
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I just don't think that the amount of people that are like, "Oh man, I would buy it if only it was $1,500" would be high enough to give them the critical mass that they want.
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That's the problem. The problem is there aren't a lot of apps and excitement about this thing because they can't sell enough of them.
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I personally am not convinced that $1,500 is that tipping point.
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Because that's still a lot of money. That's more than an iPhone.
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Well, not that much more than an iPhone.
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But it's still more than an iPhone. And you know what iPhones have? Apps. It's more than an iPad.
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iPads have apps. I just think that this is great. Get it down. But my feeling is don't expect that a $1,500 version of a vision headset is going to be the thing that "saves vision OS".
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That's my read on it anyway. I just don't think that $1,500 in that market is low enough.
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It may not be. To me though, looking at the Vision Pro, trying to figure out where $2,000 or to your point, I guess $3,000 worth of stuff is to take out is hard to work out for me.
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I think there's some things we could talk about. Can they make it out of cheaper material that would also be lighter? That would be great.
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I mean, I think they could use aluminium and glass. How much money does that cost? Does it cost $1,000? I don't think so.
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Well, the other thing is if they get rid of the eyesight feature, which I think they would because I don't think that's meaningful in the way Apple thinks it is, then you don't need glass on the front.
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You don't need the screen on the front. You don't need the processing for all that stuff.
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But it looks cool. I think that they will and I think should continue to have something on the front of the Vision, a Vision headset, which indicates that somebody is aware of you.
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I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing.
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And I feel like up until now, with the shows that we make, we have been able to kind of look at it, talk about it,
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make observations about AI, but the fact that Apple wasn't in this space, it was just like,
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"Oh, there's this thing, da da da da da, we move on."
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But now Apple is in this camp and they're in it big time, right?
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So I guess we have to start making choices and drawing lines.
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Like, do we use the features? How much do we use them? What do we use them for?
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Do we review these features? Do we talk about the features? If we like them, do we hype them up and say they're really good?
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And then I have a bunch of other questions, which are, do we lose audience for this? Do we gain audience for this?
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Do people care either way? Do we get tired of feedback? Does the type of feedback that we get change?
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Does our relevancy as content creators change as a result of how we approach these subjects?
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All of this is what I'm referring to in my mind right now, is like the AI fog.
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There are all these questions and opinions out there and I don't know what to do about it, but I feel like we have like three months to work it out.
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Maybe a little bit longer, actually. Maybe Apple's going to be gracious to us and give us a year.
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But what is your initial feeling about this idea at least, this nebulous thing that I'm talking around?
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No, I think it's definitely a thing. And that's what I was getting at a little bit last time.
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I was like, it's okay that we can have conflicting, complicated opinions and we just all need some grace with each other.
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Because look, having opinion about anything in technology that's cranked to 11 historically doesn't age well.
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I think we've all who do this for a living have learned that, that our minds will change on things as things change.
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And having an absolute stance on anything with few exceptions, generally that's not a long-term play that works out.
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What I really enjoyed in hearing you say that was how you realized you were making an absolute stance and then realized that the internet…
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But this is what it's like sometimes to create content.
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If you make any kind of statement, you have to qualify it. And at the moment…
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Which is ridiculous sometimes. I think everyone should just take a breath, first of all. Be like, this stuff is not going to kill us all. It's fine.
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But people do have strong feelings about it. And yeah, I don't know how to approach that on the shows.
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I think there's a path where we talk about the features and what they can do and like, hey, we've used them and we can talk about them.
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But even that in this case feels like a landmine and I wish that it didn't.
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My biggest wish is that people would just calm down because everyone's just amped up all the time now and that's not good for anybody.
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Everyone will calm down. I guarantee you that.
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Because you think about what it was like a year ago, it was worse than this. But it was just in different areas.
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The more people use these features, the more people are going to start calming down.
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And there will be some people that won't, but that's just with any technology change.
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You said a minute ago about making statements in an age where I understand what you mean by that, but I know who I am and I make a lot of really strong statements about everything all the time.
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But I don't care about that because I genuinely feel like if you can't accept that somebody might change their mind on something, I can't help you.
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I can feel very strongly about something today and feel differently about it now. You can go back and listen to me talk about generative AI from October or November of 2021.
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We did that doubleheader of Cortex, right?
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Yeah, and it was kind of gloomy from what I remember.
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I think one of the episodes is called something like "AI is making us into marionette puppets and we'll rule the world" which is something Grey said. Something along those lines.
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My opinion has definitely softened. My opinion has softened because I use the tools, right? Me of then thought that I would never use them, but I use them because I see benefit in them.
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I know that I'm going to use, and I look forward to using, some of the tools in Apple Intelligence.
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Because some of the features that they have shown off I'm very intrigued about. But I'm able to draw my own personal line where I've been very clear on this.
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I think the image generation stuff is terrible and they should use playgrounds specifically and they should not do it. They should not ship it.
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So what you're describing there is nuance. And that's what gets lost in YouTube comments and angry emails and pieces of feedback that are too heated.
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And how do we, I mean that is the question, right? How do we have nuance in these conversations when some people think that there is no room for nuance?
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And like that, my friend, is a question much bigger than AI.
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That is, and okay, to sound, whatever, that's Twitter's fault. That is short-form social media's fault.
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And you know, we used it as long as anybody else. And we have to, I think, or we should, I think, break free of that some. Because I actually, my personal stance is basically in line with yours.
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I think the tech stuff is good and interesting. And yes, some people will use it too much and send an email with AI to their boss and get fired because it has something inappropriate in it.
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So be it. I think for Apple, the image generation is something they shouldn't have done. I think that's a can of worms they should not have opened.
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But they did. And they'll have to deal with the consequences of that when it turns someone's grandmother into a Nazi or whatever.
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And I know Apple would say, oh, it can't. But like I'm telling you, whenever this stuff rolls out, there's going to be blog posts and YouTube videos of people, I got it to do this thing.
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And then Apple's going to have to apologize.
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I know what their problem's going to be. I think I said this on Cortex. I have established their issue. Because they have done, I'm sure, a very good job of their guardrails to make that stuff not happen.
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Because they've made their system so simple, right? That you can only do people you know, that you can only make people you know, and they're under these four styles.
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The issue they're going to run into is because they're recreating people, they're going to get facial features wrong. They're going to get skin tone wrong.
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And that will be offensive. That's going to be their problem. That they will give somebody, somebody's face won't look like their face. And they'll draw it in such a way that is offensive.
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I guarantee you right now, you can mark this today, that's the problem they're going to have. Because I genuinely don't think that they can stop that from happening.
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Because it's just chance. You're rolling the dice every single time, right? That you generate one of these images.
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And Kate has put it so succinctly, I predict that Apple intelligence is a racist headline. That's what it's going to be. That you're going to have somebody with dark skin and it's going to do their skin tone too light.
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Or something like that, right? And that's going to be their, in my opinion, that's going to be their issue.
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Because it's like, oh, you know, I don't know what, right? But it adds a lighting effect or something and makes somebody look strange compared to how they look in their photos or something like that. That's what I predict is going to be their issue.
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Because it's out of the user's control, right? If you want to change the way you look in an emoji, that's up to you. But with Apple intelligence, it's up to the computer.
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And I think that's what Apple is saying. I think that's what Apple is saying.
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And I think that's what Apple is saying.
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Because even sometimes, as Google so easily found out, the guardrails can be the problem. Like it wouldn't make white monarchy from Britain? Let me tell you something, if there's one thing the British monarchy has been, is white.
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It did the same thing with Nazis, right? It made a very diverse set up. I was like, whoa, okay, let's not go down that road.
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And so there are real problems with AI, in generative AI in particular. There will be problems with Apple's implementation just like everybody else's, despite Apple's best efforts.
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Very few people are going out like, I'm set out to make a racist AI. No, that's just what happens. Ask, what was it, Microsoft Tay or whatever it was, the first one.
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Whoa, that's a deep cut. Wow, yeah, man, that was a long time ago.
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You know, it's probably like 2018. It probably wasn't even that long ago. But it is inherent to these technologies that bad things can happen.
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And we have to be honest about that. And we have to be honest when it happens to talk about it truthfully.
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And at the end of the day, like there are going to be people upset no matter what we do. If we don't talk about it, or if we block crawlers from reading our websites, or if we only talk about it, and we embrace these LLMs.
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And cut deals for our content, no matter where we end up on those various spectrums. There will be people upset.
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And so I guess the way to do it is just to be as honest and open with where we think. The three of us on the show don't all agree on this.
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I'm not doing on 512 pixels or relay FM what they're doing on Mac stories about the crawling. Because it just doesn't work me up the way that it works them up. And that's totally fine.
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I think we can speak for both of us. We have absolute empathy and sympathy for the situation that Jon and Federico upset about.
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I think what Apple, and I think they can speak for it, but it was the Apple bot thing that seemed to spark this in them. And I understand why, because the way Apple did this was so underhanded.
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It was just bad. Like ethically bad to be like, we did this, you can opt out, but it's too late. The problem is giving me the opt out in that scenario. It's like a slap in the face.
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To me at least, that feels like the issue. I don't know what upset me. It wasn't even so much that they did it. It's that they knew that they had to offer an opt out, because that's the right thing to do.
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I'm convinced that Apple executives know they did it wrong. And that they're trying to sweep it under the rug. Because this is ethically, not even a grey area in my opinion.
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They just took advantage of everybody.
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Yeah, and I understand their response to that. It's just not my response to it. Even though I think they did it poorly, I'm not going out of my way to keep 512 out of those training models.
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Because that just doesn't push my buttons the way it does theirs. And so we can be in agreement that we can disagree on things. Again, nuance.
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I know that I, of everybody that I work with, am the most upset about image playgrounds. I am so upset about it. And I feel like that other people that I work with are just like, "Yeah, I mean, you know."
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What does Jason call it? "Fun on your phone?" Which I like that. It's fun on your phone. He can say that's what Apple's going for, but I just think it's a terrible thing.
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But I think that this is the key to this next chapter that we're all moving into. I don't expect that if we're going to talk about Apple intelligence that Federico's going to quit the show.
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Because I also, again, I feel like I'm speaking a lot for him. I don't really know his position on stuff right now. I don't know what he's going to do. I hope that he reviews these features. I hope that he uses them and likes them, honestly.
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But I don't know where he's going to be about that in September. But I think that's the key, right? I think the key is that we should all be entering into this phase of like, "We have these opinions right now, and these opinions aren't necessarily going to be the same as yesterday's or tomorrow's."
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Because the technology of yesterday is not the same as technology of tomorrow. And I think that is why we're in this scenario. In the age of social media and even podcasting, we have not gone through something like this.
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The AI moment that we're in right now is unlike anything since, I guess, the smartphone. How much it's going to change. And so I think to try and apply our thinking models of the last 10, 15 years on this is a fool's errand.
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That's kind of all I want to get at. I feel like I just need to keep talking this stuff out, and I want to be talking it out in front of our audiences. I think people need to understand that we don't have answers and that I don't think everybody should have answers. We should just be asking questions. I'm just asking the questions, you know?
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I think that's fair. And knowing that we're going to do so in a best-faith kind of way, right? It's the folks who come down 100% either way that I feel like are missing it.
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And I don't think this is just too broad, but also too important to do that, to not pick it apart and look at it piece by piece and not just at the 10,000th of you.
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Well, I think that does it. If you want to tell us how wrong we are, there's a bunch of ways to do it. You can find us all on threads as Viti, V-I-T-I-C-C-I. Mike is I, Mike, I-M-Y-K-E, and I am I7H86. You can also search for us on Macedon using those same handles.
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Mike is, of course, the host of a bunch of other shows here on Relay of Fame. We mentioned Cortex and Upgrade. Go check out his work over at Cortex Brand.
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Federico is the editor-in-chief of MaxStories.net. They're doing lots of great work over there. A growing team. I met a bunch of the new Max Stories people at WBCC, which was awesome.
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So they are just rocking and rolling over there. You can find my writing at 512pixels.net or in your favorite LLM of choice, I guess.
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I just searched through it. It's in there somewhere.
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