508: Six or Seven Websites
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Hello and welcome to Connected episode 508.
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It is made possible this week by our sponsors, ZocDoc, Tailscale, and KRCS.
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I am your keynote chairman, Stephen Hackett, and I'm joined by your annual chairman, Mike Hurley.
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Hello, I am the annual chairman, Mike Hurley, and I'm here to let you know
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that because of the DMA, unfortunately, we're unsure if we're allowed to have Federico anymore.
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Federico, I don't know if you're there.
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Are you allowed to confirm if you're allowed to be on the show anymore?
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Hi, I thought I was going to prank you for a second.
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Yeah, well, the DMA does not apply to me.
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Oh, wow, listen to this.
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No one can cage him in, you know?
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He's Federico Petici.
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No legislation can hold him down.
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I'm not a chairman, but I can still be on the show.
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That's right.
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Look, we all--
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Chairman of Europe.
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Chairman of Europe.
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We've all been in that season, right, where we don't hold a title, and part of you feels diminished, right?
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Like you feel cold in the morning.
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No, I don't.
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I don't have those problems.
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I don't think it's possible for Federico to feel diminished.
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I feel like the title was robbed from me, if anything.
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You're probably right.
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I feel like Federico is very "in-minished."
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Like, I don't know what the opposite of diminished is.
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I'm very augmented.
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He's a cyber teacher.
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He's got his hacks going on, and he's ready to go.
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Whatever the opposite of diminished is, that's what I am.
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Anyway, it's good to be back on the show.
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I listened to the previous episode, fun episode, so thank you guys for taking care of that.
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And I wanted to especially mention that from the pro show, I really loved the name "needle" as an idea for a Threads client.
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If those ever become a reality, I thought that was a really good suggestion.
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And Steven, your dead joke about the tapestry of clients was horrible.
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So thank you, I think.
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If you would like to hear all of these great suggestions and jokes, then you should become a Connected Pro member.
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Go to getconnectedpro.co, and you can sign up.
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That's right.
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I'm glad you enjoyed the show last week because part of that show is here this week in the form of follow up.
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That was nice.
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Chris wrote in, this is the last time we're going to talk about the today view.
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I wasn't going to do it, but I realized that I wanted to hear Federico's take on it.
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So Chris wrote in, I'm deep into focus modes and the today view is a place where the widgets stay consistent regardless of which focus mode I am in.
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I'm now interjecting.
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Do we think it's because Apple forgot about the today view when they were making focus modes?
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Yeah, me too.
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No, because it's not that they've forgotten about it.
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It's that they are not adding to it because they're going to remove it.
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All right, the clues are all here.
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OK, Red String Man on, you know.
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I am Charlie Day.
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I am connecting all of the points, but this is another one.
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That's why we named the show Connected, actually.
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I will add to that, that I think Mike is onto something and I will say they are not going to spend any more engineering efforts into the today view because that today view will eventually become a smart Apple intelligence view.
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Where instead of widgets, you can get just about anywhere else at this point on iOS.
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Instead of widgets, you will have some like Google has this, something similar to that, like Apple intelligence giving you an actual brief of the day or like a like a, you know, just an Apple intelligence page where you can get a bunch of AI features.
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Well, actually making it more like a today view, which it currently is just a widgets page.
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Like there's nothing else there.
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Federico, you may be able to answer a question for me now that I just thought.
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If you tint your home screen stuff and IOS 18, does it do anything to the today view?
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Oh, let's see.
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No, I don't think so.
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One of you beta boys can let me know.
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I got my beta right here.
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No, because when you tint the icons, it only applies to the icons.
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That's not true.
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Widgets tint. Widgets tint too.
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It does tint the today view.
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Yeah, it does.
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Okay. Cause I was going to say, if it didn't like, that's another big, big thing to connect some string to, you know?
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I never used the tinting.
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So, uh, for the first time in a few years, I think this year's, uh, home screen updates are like things that I, I think Apple is writing doing, but for the first time in a few years, things that are not for me, like, um, the tinting or the custom icon layouts.
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I think those are for a lot of people, very welcome.
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And for the first time in a few years, things that I will never use.
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So yeah, never used the tinting.
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These are not for the old man iPhone users that we have become.
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This is what I think we noticed immediately, which is like, this is great that you can do this, but I have spent like 15 years working on just having what I want on my home screen.
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Like I don't have space to have space.
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Although I will say I did have this thought.
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I think it was listening to Mac power users.
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I have a widget space on my iPhone for home screen widgets.
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So like on my, on my home screen, that's the home app.
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So I have home, hello, my name is Michael Hurley and I'm here with a scrambled brain.
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On my, on my iPhone home screen, you know, if you're familiar with the iPhone.
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Are you, are you?
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Here's the question.
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I am a professional.
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Like people pay me to speak.
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What are you trying to say?
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What are you trying to say?
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I'm too far in it now.
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So I have on my home screen, my second screen, a space for home widgets, right?
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Like a widget.
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Yes, yes, I get it.
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Home widgets.
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When I'm doing this and neither of you are saying anything, it gets worse.
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You have a second page on your home screen that you only use for homekit widgets.
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No, not only, but there is a spec, there is like, I have a, I have a medium widget there.
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There's a space for home widgets.
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For the home.
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For the home app, medium sized widget.
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And with the updates to control center, I feel like I'm not going to need that widget anymore
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because I expect I will be able to specifically define what I want, which was what I was asking
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for two years ago or a year ago.
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And then Apple gave me that widget where you can define what you want.
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So it was like, oh, that solved the problem.
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But I feel like not only will I be able to get the widgets, like, will I be able to specify
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exactly what controls and our actions I want in, in a view in control center for home that
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I'll also get the enhancements of being able to use those to change brightness levels and
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stuff rather than the way it is on the, uh, the home on like the widget right now for
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home where you can just turn things on and off.
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So that will actually give me some space that I don't currently have.
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And I wonder if I might like rearrange things to, because I'll have that space, but I don't
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know, I'll have the space, which is good is what I want to say.
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I'm glad you said that we're going to leave it all in exactly as it happened.
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I mean, there's no way to edit around it, like that's for sure.
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It's just in there.
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No, we don't pay any edit or enough money to try and make sense of that.
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I did the thing recently I was editing something and the person restarted a word, but halfway
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So I didn't have a clean moment like of the whole word.
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I did a thing where I cut the middle of it out and squish it together and you can't,
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you can't tell.
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It's like the best editing trick.
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It makes you feel like an AI or an AI.
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No, I think humans do it better than AI right now, but for now it makes you feel so powerful
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if you're able to do that.
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You never finished Chris's follow up, but like, by the way, well, we're halfway through
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So Chris continues.
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I get music, podcasts and contact widgets there.
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So don't have to keep them on main pages.
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I don't have to duplicate those in every focus mode.
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Just wanted to share an alternative use case.
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I think it's a very good alternative use case.
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I don't, the only focus mode I use asleep.
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And so I, I, I gave up on all the other side.
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I was not aware of this, the way that this worked, but a very cool.
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Well, I recommend that Chris creates the second home screen page of all of these things on
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because the today view is going to go away.
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You know, it's funny.
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I've been paying attention in the last week or so.
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Like I've used the today view a few times because I have like a shortcuts widget there.
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Like, so I'm aware that I'm doing it sometimes, but I actually think that these specific things
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I will also put in control center because the point is having access to them in more
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places when they'll be in control center.
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And then here's a thought, if this were to go away and Chris's use case would be obviously
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broken a little bit, if you really relied on this with the solution be, instead of using
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focus modes, you have an iPhone for each focus.
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So it was like, Oh, this is the phone I use at work.
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This is the phone I use at home.
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This is the phone I use when I'm running.
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And like, they're all sure how that solves Chris's problem or individually, it was just
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an alternative.
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Maybe that's what Apple wants.
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You know, they're going to get rid of the today view to sell more phones.
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Think about it.
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That is thinking about that, that on your corkboard mic.
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You know, the other meme, the one with the dominoes, you know, like the guys pushing
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That's what you're trying to, if that happened, then that's what you're building.
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Cause I don't know what those steps in the middle are, but I guess that's the point.
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You are today view user Federico?
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No, it's a, it used to be like an aspirational feature for me where I would put widgets and
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be like, Oh yeah, I put widgets there.
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Now I can use them.
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And then I never do.
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But there's something bigger at play here, which is I think actually like, I don't think
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I'm a big widget person on my iPhone at all.
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Like the thing is I do have one small widget on my home screen and that's about it.
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Because like I really don't like swiping and scrolling to access information.
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I use widgets on my iPad a bunch.
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Like I think, you know, the iPad with the extra space, I think widgets make more sense
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But on my iPhone, if I'm supposed to navigate between multiple pages to get to a widget,
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or if I'm supposed to scroll through a stack of widgets, like by the time I'm done scrolling
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or, or, you know, swiping between pages, like what I could do instead is pull down spotlight,
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open the app I'm looking for.
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Like why swipe multiple times or scroll multiple times to get to the calendar widget where
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I can just search for Cal, open calendar and I'm done.
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Like I'm a big spotlight user on the iPhone, much more than widgets.
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And this is something that I've started to really realize over, over the past year.
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Like I think widgets are better than ever, but on the iPhone, the way the home screen
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is designed and the way spotlight is so easily accessible.
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And now with control center becoming customizable, like I don't think I'm, I'm going to use widgets
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that much, honestly.
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Friendship ended with widget.
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Spotlight my new best friend.
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Control center.
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Oh, spotlight.
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I love spotlight.
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Like I use spotlight so much, especially because I like to keep a single screen.
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And since I started keeping a single home screen, I've also started using the app library
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I know you come around.
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Because when you're, yeah, I know it's actually pretty good because when you swipe left, it's
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immediately right there.
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If you have a single home screen, you swipe left and the next page is the app library.
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And so both spotlight and the app library, I guess I like search.
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I, it would be the, the, the, the big realization here.
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I like search more than glanceable info.
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So no, I don't use the today view.
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Mike, tell us about design apps for the iPad.
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Well, people wrote in, um, I, I tried out, uh, concepts, uh, and we had Michael who's
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an architect write in to say, I am an architect and I will buy an iPad for concepts alone.
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So I second the on air vote and hope you give it a deep look.
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And this is the thing.
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I gave it a quick look and is there's a lot going on in this application.
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It's like quite intimidating.
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I think, uh, like if you want to pick a color, uh, how about color swatches with every possible
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color in the world?
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It's like, okay, like there's a lot happening, uh, in the concepts app.
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And so I've downloaded it and I've put up my iPad home screen and I'm like gonna poke
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around of it.
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I feel like this is an application that's probably best served by watching a video course,
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but I also feel similar about procreate like procreate is another app, really powerful,
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but it's just like, there's so much that you'd have to dig into.
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Um, but that I, you know, I guess it's, I could go on, right?
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Like Photoshop to any of these applications that are intentionally deep.
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The learning curve is hard.
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Um, there was a, there was also another recommendation for an app called more folio trace from BG
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who was also an architect.
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Usually architects and iPads are best friends, which actually kind of makes sense.
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Uh, more folio trace gives you layers of, uh, like tracing paper.
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So it's a great way to set scale and a rule of, so like, you know, you're, instead of
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just like the layers are intentionally see-through, which I think is an interesting idea for design.
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So I've got all of these apps downloaded to try out.
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Uh, I see the benefit of concepts, but I do wonder if maybe I want to use free form for
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a bit first to graduate to something like concepts.
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Like I've never even used an app like this, like these infinite canvas apps for anything
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other than playing around, you know, like we've all set up free form boards and dump
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on stuff and shared them with people and drawn pictures in our vision pros or whatever.
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But the idea of actually using an app like this for work is something I've not done.
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And so I do feel like concepts might be a bit too high of a bar for me right now.
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And I'm going to try free form, but I put them both on my home, the home screen of my
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13 inch iPad pro next to each other to kind of like poke around with them when I have
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some time and a use for it, but very powerful applications and I appreciate the recommendations.
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Um, but yeah, just got to get away out a little bit first.
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I think it definitely seems like there's a whole world of apps in this category.
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I would just wasn't aware of, and some of them look bonkers.
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It's cool though.
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I mean, yeah.
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Uh, you know, if, if I were to design a building, right, I'd probably do it on an iPad.
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Here's like flinging windows around.
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I mean, I, I feel like anything where you're, you're doing something professionally with
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a drawing tool.
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It's very easy to move to the iPad.
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Like, because now you have so much more flexibility and power available to you than you had before
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because now you have a computer underneath you instead of pen and paper.
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Like I think that there is a very smart like scale there that gets you to that point.
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Federico, there's a line in the document that says Federico also has an app request.
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Yeah, so this is a pretty simple question.
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So I subscribe to a few websites that I enjoy reading their stuff and they have obviously
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subscription models.
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So what I'm looking for, and usually I like to read those websites in their original website
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Like I don't want to save them to a read later app.
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I just want to cycle through those websites like every night or every morning and see
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Now you may just say, well, just bookmark them in Safari and open a new tab for each
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of these websites.
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And sure that could work, but I'm curious to see if there's an iOS and iPadOS, like
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a quote unquote browser app that I can use just to read some specific websites.
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Like a stripped down version of Safari that puts the emphasis on this like 10 bookmarks
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that I have.
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And I'm not looking for an RSS replacement.
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I guess the closest analogy to what I'm looking for is like, like imagine a single site browser
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app, but it's not for a single site.
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It's just to browse, I don't know, five websites.
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I was thinking about the app feed with like five E's in the middle.
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It's called feed.
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I like sometimes when you say something like that, like, you know, I was thinking about
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I've never heard of this application, but it's just obviously you are just more plugged
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into the new apps, right?
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It's a pretty cool looking app.
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Nilayan reviewed this one on Mac stories a few months back.
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And it's sort of the idea of feed is to aggregate multiple news sources into one.
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So like you can bookmark websites, but you can also import RSS.
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You can follow YouTube channels, Reddit communities and read it all in one place.
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And that's more tool than I need.
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Literally what I'm looking for is like a separate browser that keeps my cookies and keeps my
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login session active for the seven websites that I pay a subscription for.
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And I want to read them in a separate UI from Safari.
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Is there a way to do this on iOS and iPadOS?
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I'm going to ask you the request that the suggestion that Kate put in Discord, which
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is like, have you considered a tab group for these?
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I don't really like using tab groups because then if you are in one of those websites and
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you open a tab, then it, you know, it's, I'm really not a fan of the tab group UI and how
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And then when I re-open Safari, I'm in the tab group.
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No, I want to keep my browser for opening link.
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Like and then if I close the tab group and I go to ivory and I click on a link in ivory,
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and it opens in the tab group and it has nothing to do with the websites that I want to read
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No, like if possible, I would prefer to avoid tab groups.
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And have you considered just using another browser like Arc or iCab?
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To which was that sound or was it to all?
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To Arc, which is the saddest story of 2024, an app that started with some really clever
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UI decisions and then had to screw it all up with AI.
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I'm just going to say I intentionally provoked you and I apologize for doing that.
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I intentionally said Arc first because I wanted to get your reaction.
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Yeah, that was the reaction.
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It's the most like at the end of the year, we'll give it an award for like most bummer
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of an app release in 2024.
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Started out with some genuinely incredible UI ideas.
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And then they had to do the AI thing.
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I mean, they did the thing that was the most obvious, right?
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For what they are, right?
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As a, I believe, venture-based new browser, the obvious thing that they would do is go
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Like that is the...
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I'm not saying it's the right thing, but it is the obvious thing that you would do as
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the company in their shoes.
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Yeah, so anyway, to answer your question, I could use another browser, but typically
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browsers have a whole series of functionalities that like...
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I'm looking for something really simple, ideally, where like here's your five websites.
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Open one, read it, open the second one, read it.
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Like something simple, you know, doesn't have to have a lot of features.
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I just want to take this, and I literally believe it's six or seven websites, take them
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out of Safari and read them in a standalone environment.
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That is not a read later app.
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Like I don't need a text parser.
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I don't need any of those features.
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I just need something simple to keep seven websites bookmarked and read them without
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AI, without text parser, without like...
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It's not even necessary to have an ad blocker because those websites don't have ads.
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Since I pay them.
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So yeah, it's like something like Fluid.
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Remember Fluid on macOS?
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But with support for multiple websites and a clean iOS and iPadOS UI.
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I'm going to make another really weird...
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I'm just going to make a weird suggestion.
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What about...
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You're going to hate it.
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A folder on your home screen that has each website saved as a program of attitude.
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Like honestly, if it comes to that, I think that's what I'm going to do.
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Like if I cannot find a dedicated browser app that does that, I think that's what I'm
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going to do.
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Just save them to the home screen, put them in a folder and have little icons for each.
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And that's what I'm going to do.
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So do these websites not offer RSS feeds?
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Is that the...
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But also like I subscribe to hundreds of RSS feeds and you know.
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The problem...
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It's all a matter of self-control.
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When I open Safari, then I get distracted by my other tabs.
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If I open my RSS client, then I get distracted by my other subscriptions.
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So you want like a clean room environment kind of thing.
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And then you have that where like, look, here's where you're going to read the platformer,
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aftermath, you know, all the other web...
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Steven Totino's newsletter, like all the things you pay for.
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This is the space where you read just those.
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Have you considered an eating tablet?
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Yeah, I see that now this is all...
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This is catching on.
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And I think I understand why.
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And I think it's an appealing device for a lot of people.
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But the thing is, I love my phone's display.
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Like I get it.
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I get why people are looking for a detox device from the phone.
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I don't have the problem because I love my phone and I love the way that it looks with
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You know, I understand why people prefer e-readers.
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I just really like the screen on my phone and my iPad.
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Like I would prefer...
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And also like I don't want to pocket another thing.
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I'm trying to get rid of things to put in my pocket, not to add an additional one.
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Well, let us know if you have suggestions.
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Yeah, thank you.
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I don't know if such a thing exists, but if it does, let us know.
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We had a note from listener Apollo who wanted a check in on Federico's Nomad Horine leather
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So how's that going?
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Yeah, it's going that I'm not using that anymore, but I'm using another Nomad product.
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So I switched from the leather case to the SUTI foam back case at the beginning of the
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Now this is a relatively...
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SUTI is the name of the company.
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Foam back is the name of the accessory.
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I thought you were using the Nomad leather back case.
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Give me a second.
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We've got to roll around.
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This is a story, all right?
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I started using that at the beginning of the year.
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I really liked the idea that was a silicone case.
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Well, not a case.
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There was a silicone back, like just the back cover made of pretty much the same material
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as a regular silicone case, but just the back.
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And I liked that so much.
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I used it for a couple of months.
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I put in a reservation for the Nomad back cover version.
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It was not available at the time, and I got it about a month ago.
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And I started using it since instead of the SUTI foam back.
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Now I'm using the...
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What's the official name of the Nomad back cover thing?
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What are they calling it?
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Magnetic leather back.
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That's what I'm using now.
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The Nomad magnetic leather back.
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And I absolutely love it.
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It gives me the texture that I like, and it frees the sides of the phone from being covered
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And yeah, I love this thing.
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I love how it feels.
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I love how it's aging, and I love that I can see my titanium edges of the phone.
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I highly recommend it.
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I tried one of these for a while, the magnetic leather back.
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And I don't... so it's magnetic, but it also uses the little micro suction adhesive to
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also kind of hold onto the phone.
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And maybe it's because I'm an Apple Wallet user now, like the leather wallet thing on
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the back of the phone.
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But I had trouble with this staying on the phone.
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Like the top part would want to come floppy after a while.
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That's weird.
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And so I stuck it in the drawer, unfortunately.
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And returned to my beloved Peak Design everyday iPhone case with the mount thing on the back.
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Me and Greg were talking about them at State of the Hardware because we were kind of commiserating
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Peak's action button lifecycle.
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Yes, I'm on the V2 now with the button.
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It's going to happen again though, right?
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With the capture button.
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And potentially the... if they go capacitive buttons, then they got to deal with that too.
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You would expect that they have learned a lesson now.
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I mean, what's the lesson though?
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Don't make a phone case until the phone's out.
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That's the whole play though, right?
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That's the problem.
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Unless you got to eat a bunch of inventory like they did.
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You know, I mean, I would love to know from them.
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And also don't make cutouts for buttons instead of making actual buttons that, you know, this
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case is they have buttons that press buttons.
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Here's a question I have, because I don't know this.
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I don't know if any of you know, I don't know if people know.
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If the buttons are capacitive in that they do not move, can you make a button that presses
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that button?
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I'm sure there's some material.
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I'm sure there's some material out there.
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That's like conductive.
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It's like those meat sticks people were using to touch their phones.
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I mean, we're sending people to the moon.
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Well, pretty sure we can figure out hopefully soon again.
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We used to send them.
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I guess, I don't know.
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We failed as a species because then we stopped sending them and we cannot make buttons that
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press capacitive buttons, but we can make a browser with five E's in the name.
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Yeah, but it doesn't solve federal records problems.
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You know, can we really do this?
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I don't know if we can do this.
00:31:12
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Look, maybe we failed as a species is the realization this week on this show.
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And the reason we know we failed is because Federico cannot find an app to look at six
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Look, I just need to look at six or seven websites.
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I'm not sure it's six or seven.
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And I just need a simple app to look at them and everybody wants to give me features.
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Everybody wants to give me features.
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Look, I don't want features.
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I just need to look at six or seven websites.
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I've got a bunch of websites here I want to look at and what's the problem?
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What if you got one iPad mini per website?
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All these apps are like, hey, don't you want ad blockers?
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Don't you want a key chain?
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Hey, do you want pin tabs?
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Do you want AI summaries?
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I'm like, look, I just need to look at six or seven websites.
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Six or seven tabs.
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It's just six or seven.
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I'm really, I'm kind of happy and at the same time sad that you detailed the websites.
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Like I think if you would have just saying it's just six websites, I'd never say what
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People would have assumptions, I think.
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That's why I'm sad that he didn't say it, but also happy that he said it.
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You know what I mean?
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It's just like a...
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I said three and it's basically all tech and gaming subscriptions.
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And basically chorus FM.
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Excellent website.
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The human race, right?
00:32:38
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So you were using the Nomad magnetic leatherback case.
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Not back, just the back.
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Just the back.
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I have broken free of the industrial case complex.
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Oh, you're free from big case?
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I'm free from big case.
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I'm free from big case.
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How's your phone?
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Absolutely fine.
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Absolutely fine.
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No problems here.
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I don't break phones like you do.
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See, you're a part of big case and you break everything.
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I've broken free from big case.
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The only thing I break is free from.
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What does that even mean?
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You know what it means.
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Everybody gets it.
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No, everyone knows.
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I'm just breaking free from.
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I ain't breaking phones.
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Beats is back.
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Everybody's favorite Apple owned company other than FileMaker, obviously.
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The Beats Pill, which is their standalone Bluetooth speaker is back.
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It was taken off the market, I don't even remember, 2022, I think.
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And it has shown up in a bunch of celebrity Instagram posts over the last few months.
00:34:00
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And it is now out.
00:34:01
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We have a couple links in the show notes, including to a hands-on from our buddy Chance
00:34:05
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Miller over at 9to5Mac.
00:34:07
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And it is very much like the old Beats, I think, in terms of shape and size.
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But Apple says it's basically all new inside and out with better speakers.
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It has better water resistance.
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You can use it by the pool and it's going to be okay or maybe like on a shelf in the
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shower and comes in a bunch of fun colors.
00:34:30
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I really like the champagne gold, but the matte black and the red also look pretty nice.
00:34:36
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But there are a couple things about this that are confusing to me.
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And I think the big one is the lack of AirPlay.
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Yeah, help me understand who would buy this product instead of literally any Sonos portable
00:34:56
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Because you're a fan of Beats as a brand?
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Like just Bluetooth for an Apple owned company seems wild to me.
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Well, I think what Steven said earlier about like, Beats obviously has a brand, right?
00:35:17
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Which I think that they have gone back to their roots a little bit with the marketing
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of this product in that it was being seen everywhere in the hands of musicians and athletes.
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And I think that's the whole thing.
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This is a pure like, you want to look like the influencer, right?
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You want to be carrying the Beats Pill around while you're walking from thing to thing.
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I think that's what this is.
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Apparently it's good, but it is weird not to have AirPlay.
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It's good that they have all the features that they have.
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It being a Bluetooth speaker, fantastic, right?
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I think it has USB-C, right?
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Does it have line in or anything like that?
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I don't think it has line in, but you can use a USB-C cable and get high fidelity audio
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That's what I was thinking of.
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So like it's an interesting product, but it is weird in that it has a bunch of Apple
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focus features, but not AirPlay.
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That is weird.
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I think the biggest example of this weirdness is in the YouTube design video of it, which
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is like an Apple video, but not.
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There's a section in it touting the setup process and it says, if you use Apple or if
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you use Android, they don't say the iPhone.
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It's super weird.
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It really jumped out at me as like, oh, they're talking to an audience that is much broader
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than just people buying iPhones, right?
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They're talking to the Beats audience.
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Yeah, it's their own thing.
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It's their own thing.
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But it's weird to say Apple though.
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I can't believe it made it out the door without them saying, you use Mac.
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Do you guys use Apple?
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You guys use Apple?
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I use no, I don't use Apple.
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But what I have yet to see, and I think it's a travesty.
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Where's the, where's the, where's the pill dude case?
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Where is it?
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They made an ad with, with them.
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I don't know if you saw that.
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They made like a little teaser ad and it's like three pill people talking to each other.
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But I don't see the pill person case.
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And I feel like at this point, what's the point, you know, why even bother?
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Make one and sell it on Etsy.
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I don't know how to do it, but I can, I can sure try.
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But yeah, they, they made an ad two days ago called pill people are back and it's a new
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version and it's actually pretty funny.
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The ad is pretty funny.
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And but I want to know where's the case.
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Let me, let me buy the bill people case.
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I do like that, that like you can tell the times have moved on because I, I'm pretty
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sure that the case was called pill dude, but now it's pill people.
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So good work beats, you know, moving with the times.
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Don't gender my speaker.
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You know what?
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Don't gender my speaker.
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That's what I say.
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You can't stop me saying that you can't, it's tattooed right on my arm.
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The the, the other thing kind of interesting thing about this is that this product did
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go away, right?
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It was, it was gone in 2022 and now it's back and, and that they use the inner leaving time,
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like the, the run-up to it of like an NBA player is like carrying it around because
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it has a strap on it where you can like carry it.
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Like the old, like the iPod touch had that for like one generation, remember that like
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the lanyard or whatever.
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And yeah, I mean, it got pulled from the market.
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I think there were a bunch of recalls.
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Is this the beat speaker that had all the recalls?
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And I think you know more about beats than I do.
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I mean, I walk into a Best Buy every once in a while and it's like an assault of beats
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It's, it's wild, but, but they're back and it's not for everybody.
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Clearly it'd be cool with airplay.
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I don't know if that's a cost thing or, or what.
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But I think that would make this more attractive to the Apple side of their customer base,
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but I'm sure they've got the information.
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Like if most of their users are interested in that or just going to use Bluetooth, then
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you know, focus on that.
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And if it gave them the budget to do the cool USB-C playback thing, then, Hey, that's, that's
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So all right.
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I have a question for you, right?
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Cause you mentioned about like it would make it better.
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Do you believe that the people they are marketing to, like the average consumer uses or knows
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about airplay or that they want to connect to a Bluetooth speaker?
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They just say Bluetooth speaker.
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So I think that while it is weird, I think if we're considering this product as a whole,
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like in its marketing and its messaging and who it is for, Bluetooth is actually the best
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thing for it rather than spending the effort and additional cost to put in the technology,
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which I believe is wifi to have airplay.
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So maybe they're just like, you know what?
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Everyone just wants a Bluetooth speaker.
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Let's just give them a Bluetooth speaker.
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No, you're probably right.
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What a weird word.
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I don't know how much we want to talk about this today, but I want to open the floor for
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discussion if is desired, which is a little update with Apple and the European union.
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So two big stories have occurred in the last four or five days.
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First was Apple announcing that they're holding back Apple intelligence, iPhone mirroring
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and share play screen sharing from the European union due to concerns about DMA interoperability
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rules and their impact on security because of it.
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And then also the European union has found Apple and announced that they have found Apple
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in breach of the DMA because of anti-steering rules and have announced that they're investigating
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Essentially to try and sum this up, which is very complicated to sum up, but I'll try.
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The EU is unhappy with the ways in which Apple is limiting the ability for developers to
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freely enable alternate payment methods and sideloading of apps.
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And then also that developers can't get any of this unless they accept to the new business
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terms, which they're also unhappy with because of the CTF.
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So they have announced that they are in breach due to anti-steering and they are going to
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launch a third investigation with I believe Spotify and music being the first one.
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This is the second one.
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And then the third one is the core technology fee as to whether that is something that should
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be an ongoing thing.
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In their press release, the European union is like, we accept that Apple can and should
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get paid, but like not on an ongoing basis and also not for every possible purchase that
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a developer can be made through an application.
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So they're the two big areas I would like to open up the floor for discussion to you
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to like, where are you feeling?
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What are the vibes?
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I don't know.
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I don't know what I think, honestly.
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On the DMA, I feel like, I don't know.
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Part of me feels like this whole thing is being mismanaged by Apple and I feel like
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there's a part of Apple that thinks they know better than European regulators and this is
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all unfair and they don't want to respect what is now a law.
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And they just feel like they should do everything they possibly can to try and get away with
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it with the bare minimum implementation of what the law is asking for.
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And then there's also a part of me that feels like, you know, this is all new and you want
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to give them the benefit of the doubt.
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And they're just trying to understand as they go along, what will be okay and what won't
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So I'm very torn.
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Like I don't know what to think, especially because I don't work at Apple.
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And I just know that from the outside looking in, it's hard not to feel like the customers
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are losing out, as always with these things.
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You know, I see a lot of people, this is all very political as a topic, obviously.
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It is actually politics.
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It is actually politics and there's people saying, "Oh, those damn Europeans and their
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silly stupid laws."
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And then I see other people saying, "Well, Apple is evil and it's an evil company.
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They fooled you into thinking they're a good company.
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The EU must go after them and do everything they can to regulate them out of existence."
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And I don't know, I feel like I'm somewhere in the middle.
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I feel like there's parts of the DMA that, yeah, are confusing.
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And companies need to navigate these waters now and understand what parts of the law actually
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And a part of me also thinks, "Well, you know Apple though, and especially App Store management,
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they absolutely hate the idea of sideloading and allowing customers to make purchases without
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Apple getting a cut."
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And so I just hope that as a customer, try and think about this from the perspective
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of somebody who doesn't care about tech news, somebody who doesn't listen to podcasts, just
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a regular iPhone person in the EU.
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I think as a person, I would prefer if I could save a little money on my Spotify subscription.
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I think I would like it if I could download all the emulators I wanted instead of being
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okay for some emulators but not others.
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And ultimately, I think you got to put people first.
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And so that's sort of the perspective I'm trying to follow.
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I like Apple.
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I like the products they make.
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I like the services they make.
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I don't like some of their decisions, especially for the App Store.
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And so that's what I think.
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I don't want to take a particular extremist side because it's not what I feel.
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And I also wanted to add for the features, for the Apple Intelligence features.
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There's an Italian saying, it's an expression, I'm not sure if there's an English version
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Basically, it says, "To think bad things is a sin, but every once in a while you're right"
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would be a rough translation of it.
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And so, yeah, I mean, maybe for real Apple is holding back Apple Intelligence because
00:48:12
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they don't understand how it relates to the DMA.
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But you know, you got to think that...
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I believe it's both things.
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Like I believe in regards to the way that the DMA speaks about interoperability, why
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they have picked these specific features, right?
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Because if interoperability is needed for them, this is either security risk or kind
00:48:43
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of impossible to do with the way that Apple has architected the features and the way that
00:48:48
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they want to do them, right?
00:48:50
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I also, I feel like it's kind of funny that, so this iPhone mirroring feature, for example,
00:48:58
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on my phone with the way that I've set up my phone, I am American enough to have access
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to iPhone mirroring, but I'm not European enough to have access to alternative app stores
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unless I switch accounts.
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It sees you as American then, right?
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Like your phone is being considered an American phone, right?
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Well, but for some things, yeah, I guess.
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And it goes to show that the theory that it's all mostly dictated by your app store account
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seems to be the correct theory.
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Like it seems to be on all the deciding factors that determine whether you are a European
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or not a European, it seems that the app store account, more than the Apple ID or Apple account,
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I should say, it seems that the app store account is the one with the most weight at
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Which I think there's a sense in that, right?
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Because to have the account, you have to have a billing address and payment method in the
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And so it's like, it feels like the thing which is most going to be tied to where are
00:50:13
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you now and like where are you basing your life now and also allowing to kind of ignore
00:50:20
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a VPN if such a VPN was in place, right?
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But like, I can imagine the scenario where these features, they don't know how to implement
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them or they don't have the guidance from the European Commission yet or whatever, or
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as I can imagine, the European Commission and Apple probably aren't on the best of terms.
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So I don't imagine they're getting a lot of consultation or at least not everybody's not
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coming to the consultation in the most helpful way on all sides would be my expectation of
00:50:52
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what's happening here.
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But also I can see the scenario where they may be happy that they get to hold Apple intelligence
00:50:59
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back because it's most likely going to be the thing that makes European iPhone users
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frustrated and that may get pushed back from the opposite side.
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I wonder if they were also this cautious with the European Union and Apple intelligence
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when they scraped websites.
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I'm sure they were.
00:51:21
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No, I don't think so.
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Yeah, I think they did that without caution.
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Yeah, as we've seen.
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Europe should make some AI lots as well.
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I'm in agreement with you all.
00:51:37
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I think a lot of people's knee jerk reaction to the Apple intelligence stuff not being
00:51:42
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in the European Union was, oh, they're doing it despite the EU.
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And if you just think about that for four seconds, you know, that's not a great take
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because why is Apple going to punish its users from a feature like try to get them to?
00:51:58
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Well, I mean, look at the App Store.
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Well, no, let me finish.
00:52:03
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You're feisty.
00:52:04
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Let me finish.
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I don't see it being a viable option for them to punish their users by not getting cool
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new features.
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So what they go to the representatives and say the DMA is bad.
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Please walk it back because like you open your argument with, I think a lot of sort
00:52:22
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of average people look at the DMA from a high level and say, yeah, looks like a lot of good
00:52:27
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stuff in there that I agree with.
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Like, yeah, why am I paying an extra 15 to 30 percent on stuff?
00:52:34
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Because Apple wants their cut.
00:52:35
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Why are there some things I can buy on my phone in an app but can't buy in a browser?
00:52:40
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Why are there some sort of apps my Android friends can use but I can't use right?
00:52:43
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DMA attempts to deal with all those things.
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But I think looking at Apple's decision making and saying, oh, they're doing it to spite
00:52:50
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the EU or despite their users.
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I just don't think that holds water for very long.
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If you actually consider what the ramifications of that would be.
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Maybe it's not spiked, but let me put it this way.
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Let's say that you live in an apartment complex and you have a bunch of neighbors and there's
00:53:07
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that one particular neighbor that you really dislike.
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And it just so happens that one day that neighbor asks you for something.
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And maybe you try to be a good person and everything, but maybe part of you thinks,
00:53:22
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you know, of all the people that are going to ask me a favor, am I really going to do
00:53:26
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a favor to the person I dislike the most in here?
00:53:29
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And so when it came to Apple intelligence, I mean, you've got to believe there were some
00:53:33
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people who were like, you know, these folks, they've been causing us so much trouble this
00:53:39
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Do we really feel like we need to rush Apple intelligence in there anyway?
00:53:44
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And I mean, the argument that, you know, politically speaking, Apple, is it a company that, you
00:53:50
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know, would be okay with just hurting their users in any way?
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I mean, not in the physical sense, obviously, but like, isn't it?
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Your phone shocks you in the EU.
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What I mean is like, aren't you hurting your users financially every time you make them
00:54:09
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pay more for a subscription that is available for less somewhere else?
00:54:13
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Yeah, but things can be separate, right?
00:54:15
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Like we don't have to tie those two points.
00:54:18
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I'm just saying that institutionally speaking, because a company is made of people and the
00:54:22
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same people make those decisions, they are capable of, you know, just a little hurt once
00:54:29
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Yeah, no, sure.
00:54:30
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And clearly Apple's attitude through this has been pretty bad at times.
00:54:34
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Like I'm not saying that.
00:54:37
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The other thing that I sort of think about in this conversation as it, as like we just
00:54:41
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do these cycles over and over is in build.
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So let's take, for instance, the chat GPT handoff that Apple intelligence would do, right?
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You get to a point, Siri can't do it.
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It says, Hey, do you want to ask chat GPT like that?
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Just that feature under and I'm not a lawyer.
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I don't know if anybody knows that and not go to law school, but under the DMA, would
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Apple be required to have more than one vendor for that where they would have to have also
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Google Gemini or you know, whatever Amazon's rumored to do that that Vrumer broke today
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that they're working on a chat bot?
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Like are there things in the DMA that are preventing or preventing Apple or maybe not
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completely like, right?
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It can both can be true.
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I don't think so.
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Cause this isn't a, like an exclusive partnership of open AI.
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Apple have been very clear that this is in practice.
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In practice it is because they're the only partner that have signed and, and so maybe
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that's a bad example.
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Maybe take the, the image generation stuff that Apple's doing on their own.
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Does the DMA say that, well, you have this feature, but you have to also open it up to
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other things and maybe Apple's just being like, you can read it one of two ways.
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I think you can read it.
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Oh, Apple's not playing ball here because they're have hurt feelings over the DMA or
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is Apple not doing it because the DMA makes it more complicated for them to build new
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Both can be true.
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I don't know what the ratio is there, but what I'm trying to get to here is it's a multifaceted
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situation and saying, just saying, Oh, Apple's butt hurt over the DMA or just saying the
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DMA is bad for competition or just saying the DMA is good for competition.
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Like where like any single statement I don't think works when applied to this stuff because
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it is so complicated and not to defend it, but it is really new and Apple and the EU
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clearly are still figuring out what does this document actually mean?
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Like we're getting ready to go through that all again over the CTF stuff.
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But yes, but I think that it is clear that they are not going about it in the simplest
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Like we have been talking about this the whole time, like their approach to the DMA, they
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are doing literally everything they can to comply the littlest, right?
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They are not entering into this with like earnestness or good faith.
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And I understand why because they are a corporation, but I believe that that goes back to what
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me and Federico saying of like, I think that the way that they are approaching the DMA
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and their compliance to the DMA would make it incredibly plausible that they are using
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the fact that the DMA makes it difficult for interoperability for these new features that
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they have to be able to also undermine the DMA to users, right?
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Like if you think the DMA is good, but now your iPhone will be held back, you may think
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it is less good.
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And like people talk about like, oh, the DMA was very popular in the European Parliament.
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The European Parliament is like any legislative body in which it is made up by elected officials.
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If these people believe that they're more likely to get voted in based upon changing
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their opinion on something, they will do that, right?
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Like if a European member of parliament believes that their constituents would like the DMA
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to be repealed because they're not getting the features that they want on their devices,
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the support will change for the DMA, right?
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So like I do believe that they are looking at this and like this is complicated, but
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I also believe that there is, that there are people inside of Apple who are looking at
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this as an opportunity to change hearts and minds over what the DMA is doing.
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And it's like Apple wants to change it, right?
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The EU wants to change it as well, like in different directions.
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And there's just going to be, I think it's just going to be a long time before we, that
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stuff, that sort of all settles out.
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I don't know.
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Because the other thing that they've got to be, look, all of this, the department of justice
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is saying some other stuff.
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Like the department of justice is main cases around Apple's lock-in.
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So I don't know.
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It's definitely coming here too.
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And so then what are they going to do?
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Like, you know, Apple intelligence in the U S like it would just be the UK.
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Like where, where is it going to be?
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Land of the free home of the brave, the United Kingdom, you know, getting, getting all the
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My, like if we fast forwarded a year, like let's just say we played a game making predictions
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about what the future could hold October, by the way, I double checked that today.
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I was wondering, I was wondering what it was forward to October.
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My suspicion is that some of these Apple intelligence features will indeed show up in the EU.
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That Apple is either overreacting to the DMA or they're not showing those features because
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they're sad and angry or something else.
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I suspect some of that stuff will surface and in the EU, maybe not all of it, but I
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can't, I just can't imagine a world where Apple will continue to introduce features.
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I'm doing huge air quotes, knowing that they won't be allowed in parts of the world.
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Like that just doesn't seem to make sense to me either.
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I don't know.
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It's all very confusing and hard and complicated.
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I'm glad I'm not a lawyer working for Apple or the European Union because it seems like
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this is a lawyer on podcasts.
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We just play it on podcasts.
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It does seem, I think wherever you stand on any of this, this huge spectrum of opinions
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about the DMA, I think we can all agree that it is so complicated.
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It has unintentional side effects, right?
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The way that it is actually written and some of the things are explained in the DMA don't
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actually make a lot of sense with the way the world actually works and are so open to
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interpretation that you have things like this, like, okay, Apple's not like that.
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Like, Oh no, for sure.
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And if it's coming to the U S is going to be just as bad, you know, like maybe even
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worse cause I don't think we have any elected officials that know anything about the internet,
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but it is because it's fuzzy.
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You end up in situations potentially like this good times though.
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So Federico, do you think that you will get access to Apple intelligence features during
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the beta period based upon the way that, uh, that you've got SharePlay and stuff?
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Seems like it.
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Cause I'm just wondering like for your review, like what do you, do you, have you thought
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about like say that any of these features are going to be in iOS 18.0 but you didn't
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have access to them?
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Like if I don't have your approach at all, if I don't have access to them, I can not
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review them.
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Simple as that.
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Um, I'm not traveling to the U S just to try those features.
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You know, I want that though.
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Like I just wonder like what is the level, you know,
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I'm actually like, I'm actually still thinking about the very fact of like a review in Apple
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intelligence to begin with.
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And I think I will, if I have access to those features, I'm not sure whether I will do image
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playgrounds.
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Um, I'm sure the whole chapter will have a giant disclaimer before it, but yeah, I'm
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leaning toward having the Apple intelligence chapter in my review, uh, provided that I
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do have access to it.
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And it seems like I should based on how things have been going so far with the way my iPhone
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is a set up.
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I guess people I'm sure are aware that none of this is in the betas yet.
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Like we had beta two just a couple of days ago and these features aren't there.
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Apple had said they're coming later this summer.
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We don't know exactly what that means in terms of time or what features come in the beta
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and what features maybe a year from now.
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Like nobody knows.
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So there's a beta 2 of everything iOS 18, iPadOS, MacOS, Sequoia, which I heard the
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show last week.
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You guys still don't like the name, especially Mike.
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I don't like it.
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It's hard to spell.
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I don't like the way it feels coming out of my mouth.
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WatchOS, which I also have on my Apple Watch Ultra, VisionOS, everything.
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And I just wanted to pull out some of the highlights, things that have changed.
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Starting with iPadOS, the alternative app stores in the EU, as well as the browser entitlement
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for browser, the one I use, the Just-In-Time compiler, those are available in iPadOS 18
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So, I'm sure at some point, the folks at AltStore will be making a native version of AltStore
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on the iPad, and it'll work natively with an iPadOS UI in iPadOS 18.
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I guess any of their apps need to get through notarization first.
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They can do that, you know?
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We don't need to get into that.
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But yeah, that's-
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The DMA, am I right?
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It's going so well.
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We just moved on from that topic.
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Let's keep it in the past.
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The other feature that has been enabled, I have not been able to use this one because
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I have not installed Sequoia on my half of the MacBook Air.
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iPhone mirroring is now available.
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And I have seen, obviously this is not in the EU, as we have discussed in the previous
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segment, but I have seen that iPhone mirroring works even if you are mirroring your Mac to
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the Vision Pro.
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So you can do a double mirror.
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You can mirror your phone to the Mac and then mirror the Mac to the Vision Pro.
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What is the next step?
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Mirror a Vision Pro to an iPad?
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I'm pretty sure I saw somebody mirroring their Apple Watch to their iPhone and then their
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iPhone to their Mac.
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I heard you like mirrors.
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So there is one more step, right?
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You can go watch to phone to phone to Mac to Mac to Vision Pro, and then you could call
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someone and share the screen with them.
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Do it all the way.
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But yeah, I'm very excited to try the iPhone mirroring.
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It seems like it's a very cool idea.
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I mean, we have talked about it, the way that it works when the phone is locked and everything.
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So yeah, even better that it works while wearing the Vision Pro, mirror to the Mac, and then
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mirror the Mac to the Vision Pro.
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Some shortcuts actions I want to mention, because shortcuts may not be changing much,
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but it seems like Apple is adding new actions to shortcuts this year, and actually actions
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that I like as opposed to last year.
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So there's a couple of new shortcuts, like meta actions, like shortcuts actions about shortcuts.
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One of them is add to home screen.
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So this is an action that you can drop in other shortcuts to add one of your shortcuts
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to the home screen.
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So imagine, for example, you're Matthew Cassinelli and you want to add, I don't know, 200 shortcuts
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to your home screen.
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Now you can create a shortcut that cycles through your shortcuts library and adds an
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icon for each of those shortcuts to your home screen.
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That's something you can do if you're Matthew or also if you're somebody else.
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Allow me for a moment to just ask the simple question.
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Like there are so many things that could be in shortcuts that could be added to shortcuts.
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Why is this the thing?
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Look, I agree with you.
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Like stability.
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Could they add that?
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Like the DMA disallow stability in shortcuts.
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Look, I agree.
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I'm just saying that somebody at the shortcuts team must have had the idea of like, hey,
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wouldn't it be nice if instead of adding 20 shortcuts from a folder manually one by one
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to your home screen, you could automate the process.
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Now that can be automated.
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Same with creating an iCloud link.
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Now you can also automate the process of creating an iCloud link for shortcuts.
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And you know, you want to share 20 shortcuts at once?
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Be my guest.
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With this action now you can.
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There are some new actions for the journal app.
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These are actually nice.
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You can search your journal entries.
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You can create a new journal entry from shortcuts.
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But the one I'm most excited about is the changes to reminders, which we'll get to in
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Also because Steven has thoughts about reminders.
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Apple, it seems to be that they are replacing the add new reminder action with a different
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action called create reminder.
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Now at the moment there's both of them in the shortcuts beta.
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I'm pretty convinced that one of them will go away or will become like deprecated with
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The new one called create reminder has more options than the old one.
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Specifically, finally, you can basically set almost every single property of a shortcut
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with a reminder with this action.
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The one that was most intriguing to me, finally, you can create a reminder from shortcuts and
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you can define which section of a reminders list it should go into.
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Remember they rolled out sections like columns last year in reminders?
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Now you can say when I create this reminder, not only should it go into my relay FM list,
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but it should also go under the upgrade section of that list.
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I wanted this so bad last year, but then I ended up just moving to things instead for
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the things that I needed.
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Yeah, and what's great is that because of the issues with the things actions that I
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was having with the beta, I was able to basically translate all of my things, automations and
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shortcuts to reminders, automations and shortcuts.
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And they basically now perform exactly the same functionality by just swapping the things
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actions with the reminders ones.
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And this was the final thing that I was missing.
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Like let me say which section it should go into.
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And now this is possible.
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So that's cool.
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You also have reminders.
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Before we get to that, I do just want to say like one thing that I just thought of when
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you were talking about that new shortcut.
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And we've talked about this before on the show, but I think it's probably in the last
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So I want to highlight it again.
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I really find it confounding that Apple will release some piece of software that like isn't
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integrated with the rest of their pieces of software.
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Like, okay, you added this feature in reminders, but your shortcut support for it didn't come
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until a year later.
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Are we stretched so thin internally that that's not possible?
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It's like there's no one.
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Like there should be a master list somewhere.
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Like if you release code at Apple, you know, in these sorts of categories, it should also
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support these types of things.
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And it really blows my mind.
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It feels so half done sometimes of like, oh, hey, we have this great feature, but we left
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out the one thing and maybe you'll get it next year.
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Based on their guidance from WWDC sessions, it seems like the one thing that will finally
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change this trend is Apple intelligence.
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Because they basically said they had a session in which they said, we're changing our guidance
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from what it used to be, which was some of your app actions should also be shortcuts
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So changing it to all of your app actions should also be available in shortcuts because
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that's what they want to do, right?
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With Apple intelligence and the semantic index and all the things that they will roll out
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Like you should be able to just say what you want to do and that request should be completed.
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So I would be shocked if what you just mentioned doesn't change because of Apple intelligence.
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Yeah, me too.
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Definitely hopeful for that.
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So yeah, so every year I pick something and reminders to ask for.
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It's kind of a bit of a tradition and this year I'm returning to one that has not been
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But before I talk about what that is, I, you know, in 2022 I asked for a badge to reflect
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the today count and we were able to get that in Iowa 16.
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And then last year I asked for better options in organizing the today view and that is in
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the beta of iOS 18.
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So I feel pretty good about my track record the last couple of years.
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You are like a reverse project manager.
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You're like a king of feedback.
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Well like they released the software and then Steven's like, what about this though?
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It goes backwards.
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I think some people who work with me in real life think that I do that anyways.
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Like, oh, we just pushed this thing to our CMS at work.
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Oh, can we do this thing instead?
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You know, sometimes it happens in reverse.
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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I know, but because you weren't on a conference call with a developer at 8 p.m. last night.
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Nothing you didn't know about right now.
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This year I could feel your blood pressure from here.
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It's awesome.
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Well, because usually it means that something's going to break, you know, that's where it
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ends up going.
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But it's time to do some things.
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So this year I'm returning to a well that I've asked for not on the blog, but in two
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previous feedbacks.
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All those numbers in the bottom of the blog post.
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But this year I ran to the press and I'm asking for the task inspector on the Mac to have
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the same functionality as the task inspector has on iOS and iPadOS.
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I understand why they're different.
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The reminders Mac app, as far as I know, is still the old app kit app.
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It has not been converted to like Mac catalyst, like messages and maps and some others.
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I think honestly reminders is a really good candidate for Mac catalyzation.
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But you know, there's also the question of like, how far into the future is Mac catalyst
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going to last?
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Lots of things there.
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So I understand why it's different.
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But the example that I highlight, because it's the one that bothers me the most is that
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in the reminders app on iOS and iPadOS, there's a drop down to change what list a task is on.
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And on the Mac, the only way to do that is drag and drop a task from one list to another.
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And like, it's fine, you can totally change where a task is based on that.
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But it's slower, because it's not in the inspector, I'm already you know, fiddling with due dates
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It's error prone, especially if you have a long list of lists, right, you can drop it
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on the wrong one easily, and then you don't know where it went.
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But lastly, and probably most importantly, I don't think most like normal kind of users
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are that familiar or maybe even comfortable with drag and drop to begin with.
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And so I would love for in lieu of give me the entire inspector from the iPhone on the
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Mac, I think that that's the ideal.
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Having the ability to change what list a task is in from the inspector really feels like
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something that should be there.
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And so that is my quest this year.
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So Steven, given your pedigree as someone who can work these reminders miracles, will you
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be my my priest in this case, and you know, put in a good word for a request that I have,
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with the reminders gods, if you will.
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So it's look, it's a very simple thing.
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So you know how you can create smart lists in reminders, right?
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You can like make a custom list with a bunch of rules.
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And I just want to make a smart list that shows me reminders from two lists at once.
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Like I have a Mac stories list and a club Mac stories list.
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And I just want to say make a smart view, you know, that shows me reminders from both,
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you know, so like I can make one that says, here's your Mac stories and your club Mac
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stories tasks for today.
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Unfortunately when you pick the list filter, you can say include a list, but it only lets
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you include one list at a time.
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Like just let me include two lists at the same time.
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You know, let me pick one or multiple ones.
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And it's been this way for like three years.
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And every year I keep mentioning it and it never works.
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So maybe if you will be, you know, my, my, you know, my middleman in this case, you know,
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given your, given your powers, maybe it'll work.
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I'm happy to, I'm happy to be your representative on this.
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I vote, I give you my vote.
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Thank you. For whatever you're applying for, you have my vote.
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That's good.
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You know, we're going to wedge the DMA straight into reminders.
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It's going to be sick.
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Maybe not for today, but like, I feel like there is a conversation to be had about the
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value of the feedback system and anytime you write something about this.
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Can you invite Casey when you want to do it?
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When there is an episode where both me and Federico aren't here, then like go crazy.
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My favorite thing in this blog post that Steven wrote was at the end, he said, this was filed
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as feedback, blah, blah, blah.
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The day this blog post was published.
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It can also be found as blah, blah, blah from 2022 and blah, blah, blah from 2023.
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I enjoyed the pettiness.
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I don't, I didn't mean for that to be petty.
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I meant for that to be like, I I've been asking for this repeatedly.
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Here's like, here are the receipts.
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But do you need to refile it though?
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Well, so that, that is like a question, right?
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I don't know because my feedback for the other things that have been fixed are still open.
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So like I closed them because they've been addressed.
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I don't know the hygiene of the feedback system once it's internal.
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You want to get back on the top of the pile.
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I want to get back on top of the pile.
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And, and obviously now in the summer is a good time to, to do that sort of thing.
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Well, maybe my, my reading of this as petty tells you why I'm maybe not the best person
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Well, that's always the, there's always people who feel like the feedback system is like,
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you're doing, no, we're talking about it.
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We're talking about it now.
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We actually did decide we weren't doing this.
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There's a feed, their feedback numbers in the blog post.
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The blog post is referenced in the feedback.
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Please please remind us team, please.
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In other news, RCS has appeared and is enabled in the U S for beta users on AT&T Verizon mobile,
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which is really cool.
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The Royal crown system.
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That is what it stands for.
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Cause it's the King over SMS.
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Go UK once again.
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It's the only way you can get to see the crown jewels.
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You need to receive an RCS.
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You know, I think I'm actually becoming a fan of the UK.
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Like you should realize this is something I've realized over the past few months.
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We'll all be there together in like three weeks.
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Tell me, yeah.
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Tell me why Federico I'm intrigued.
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Cause you can come, you're coming back and you'll be able to also like, you know, soak
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in more of the UK with people from the UK.
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I don't know.
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First of all, first of all, of all the countries that have that like begin with the U it seems
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to be like the most reasonable one.
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Don't talk about your way that way.
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I don't, I don't know anything about what's going on there.
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Well, I was not, I was not referring to Uruguay.
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This song's about me.
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They usually become, they usually start with United in the, yeah.
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Anyway, so obviously jokes aside, I don't know.
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It feels obviously like, so they speak English, but it's like people don't go around, you
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know, with guns, for example.
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They have the Royal family, which is pretty cool.
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And like you're going to go see the Royal Palance palace and there's the guards with
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the funny hats.
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You know, the South bank really surprised me in London.
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Really nice place.
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My favorite place.
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Federica's favorite place.
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One of my, one of my new favorite places.
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The company that we're going to talk about this next week that provided the lenses for
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my meta Ray bands is located in the UK.
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Mike lives in the UK.
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I don't know.
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It's just a bunch of factors contributing to my feelings toward the UK shifting.
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You know, as of late, you're welcome anytime.
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See, it's also what you need is your RCS message.
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It's trying to get in.
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You can go ahead.
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So you're getting, you know, the larger media files, rich messages with audio, read receipts
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and in the messages app, it has a little indication of whether it's SMS or RCS because the bubbles
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are still green.
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They didn't introduce a third color, still green, but you do get a little bit of an affordance.
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So you know, like, Oh, I'm going to drop this giant PDF in here.
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It'll go through.
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Whereas an SMS, it wouldn't in the past.
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So so yeah, super exciting.
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I am glad that the carriers are already on board with this, at least the big three.
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And I'm sure others will follow because there's also like a carrier thing that has to change.
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But very clearly, this is now on its way.
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And it's, I think it's good.
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Well, if you want to find more of us on the internet, if you want to be one of Federico's
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seven secret websites, you can if you want to make Federico one of your favorite seven
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secret websites, I said six or seven, six or seven.
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Like how that's the secret is like one number.
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I don't know.
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You can be in the seventh, you can be the seventh or take we are taking auditions for
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the seventh secret website.
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You can submit those to Federico on Mastodon of Viteeche at max stories.net or on threads
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as Viteeche.
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And of course, he's the editor in chief of max stories.net.
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Lots of super exciting stuff going on over there.
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I know y'all are all gearing up for review season.
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You know, sometimes John just appears in our group thread is like, I'm rebuilding my Mac
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for the fifth time this week.
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And then it disappears again.
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Yeah, he does that.
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That's that's so happy.
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I retired from reviews, you know?
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Well, you're fired more than retired.
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I was forced out actually.
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Unless I'm happy that I was forced out and then I retired.
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Maybe you could review a retired platform, but it's like the same review every year because
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it's been retired, you know?
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That feels like something you would do.
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It does seem like something I would do.
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If you want to see me do that.
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Steven just opened the reminders list and added that to it.
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Oh, it's on the wrong list.
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I can't change it easily.
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You can't do anything about it.
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If you want to maybe see what that could look like, you can find my writing at 512 pixels.net
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and I am ismh86 on Mastodon and threads.
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You can find Mike's work all across the relay FM podcast empire.
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You can also find it at Cortex brand and he is on Mastodon and threads as I Mike I M Y
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How do you cheerio?
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- Bye y'all.