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00:00:05 ◼ ► lozenge or whatever they call her up it's pronounced listening right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► that was a reference on to you actually have a significant that one time I miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/11">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► pronounce the word it was closely anyway I have a question for you to how in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/17">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► name of Zeus's butthole also reference do you get healthy when you have a child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/23">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► that is waking up in the middle of the night more than occasionally because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/28">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► he's like no wonder we are teaching of sicker whatever how do you ever get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/33">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► healthy if you can't sleep waking up in the middle of the night implies that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/38">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► rest of the night the baby is sleeping so really you don't have anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/41">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► play about justice to this time the night when the baby wakes up at that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/44">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► significant that tells you that the rest of the night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/51">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► really you have a really good thing baby and you can't complain too much how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/54">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► you get better that you will eventually it will happen you'll say well to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/60">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► continue at the house keeping all kidding aside for the two of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► benefit your for your to benefit and for live listeners if I suddenly go silent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/68">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► in the middle of saying something just give me five to 10 seconds and assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/73">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► I'm hacking up a long and I'm just muted and just carry on I guess don't carry on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/77">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► just give me a moment and if I really have disappeared assuming that I poured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/82">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► more stuff on there and smack and its dead now don't poor cough syrup on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/87">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► for many reasons first of all there's no way it would survive that actually work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/92">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► that's probably true it really nothing like believe me I'm an expert in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/97">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► coughing like cough suppressants just don't work like the the only effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/101">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► ones are like the narcotic ones that just knock you out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/106">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► yeah that's that suppresses your graphics depositors label it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/109">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► really thinks the right problem it's like yet shooting you in the head but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/112">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► also stop your call you know it's not maybe not a good idea but you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/115">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► would that would do it so you get caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/120">TS</a>]
00:02:02 ◼ ► noting that the cough suppressant actually works the only thing that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/122">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► is that they're fixing the problem isn't always possible or if you're lucky just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/126">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► sheen sucking please don't make the title change sucking those cough drops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/132">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► but the menthol the traditional default flavor whatever it is not at the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/138">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► ones the regular like the brown ones that taste like mental that helps as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/143">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► got it stops working so that's why you have to have if you buy those just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/149">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► right for the big bag the one that has like 40 instead of 10 go right for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/155">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► John surged k road in and quoted you in saying that you said the Dr just see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/163">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► blocks it doesn't know about file systems surged wanted to tell us that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/174">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► firmware of modern tribes reaches 1 million lines of code and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/178">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► recognize common file systems obviously encryption breaks this but that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/182">TS</a>]
00:03:07 ◼ ► common especially data centers this allows the drive to reorder or delay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/187">TS</a>]
00:03:11 ◼ ► commit some metadata updates that are recoverable by checking disc in case of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/191">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► you would put this in the show notes tell us a little more about this place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/196">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► yeah I'm wondering I'm actually surprised by this because this implies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/199">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► some sort of synergy in the market between the people who sell these drives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/204">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► and machines they're expected to go into the filesystems they're going to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/210">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► like how can how can any firmware on a drive know about a file system like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/213">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► does it know what files and even being initialized with how does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/217">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► communication happen across the various layers of the storage system to say like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/220">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► he just buy one of these mechanisms taking anything for mothers day for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/224">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► whatever and then it knows that it's formatted 64 does everything is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/228">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► very interesting and is the type of thing that capitulo capital ATM only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/233">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► Apple can do but hey wait this is nothing to do with Apple iPhone only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/239">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► applicant had this kind of the connection between Harbor and software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/242">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► well family can also happen in the wild and woolly world of what I imagine our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/245">TS</a>]
00:04:10 ◼ ► Linux servers and random storage hardware so I'm always interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/250">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► cases where the supposedly rigid layers in the storage hierarchy are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/255">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► quarter-on-quarter violated as the the claim was about the FSE back in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/260">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► it was a rampant layering violation combining the file system in logical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/265">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► volume management and a bunch of other things andrade all into one thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► you know we have this nice layered approach reasoning is responsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► each layer I can mix and match my logical volume manager with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/276">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► filesystem with my raid thing I give us combine them all to I think great effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/279">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► by saying if we don't have that mix and match thing kinda like the way I called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/284">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► you know acts are not mix and match for you get to pick your own CPU and beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/288">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► the speaker on that and build your own Mac that toppled takes the components of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/293">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► you say my gfs by picking all these different layers and combining them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/296">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► a really interesting and cool things that sounds like an interesting cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/300">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► thing this is the first I've ever heard of this that an SSD drives there that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/303">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► SSD knows about the file system and I would love to learn more about how that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/309">TS</a>]
00:05:15 ◼ ► actually happens but they have at least one reported that this is now a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/315">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► alright we also had someone writing Ryan Road in apparently Ryan is the 105th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/321">TS</a>]
00:05:27 ◼ ► driver that listens to the show and he or she was not was wanted to correct us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/327">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► about cameras on the fit in as our resident Honda expert John which I tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/333">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► him or he was making a joke last time I like toast here is how you know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/337">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► make a decent austere for 50 bucks I can just concentrate on the important things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/342">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► the same way that you don't expect a Honda Fit to have the fancy camera that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/345">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► Marcos BMW has been expected to have all the bells and whistles just the basics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/349">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► right like the knob latch on to fit in and the controls on if it still feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/354">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► like their quality components cheap car apparently I don't this is an optional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/358">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► fond of it does have the cameras on the other side on all sides of it I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/363">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► know if it does that synergy thing maybe Ryan didn't understand the future that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/366">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► on Marcus car where yes it has cameras on the corners it also combines the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/370">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► cameras to show you as if there's like a virtual camera floating above your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/375">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► looking down on its you can see what's on all sides of your car and real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/380">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► the bird's eye view so I think this is just a bunch of cameras on the car show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/383">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► you like your blind spots and stuff or just cool and everything in it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/389">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► shows how this this text slowly creeping down and you know that once you have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/391">TS</a>]
00:06:36 ◼ ► cameras in place the extra bit of you know smarts to combine them into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/396">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► image isn't that complicated so it seems like it will eventually trickle down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/400">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► even the cheapest cars but show that either as standard equipment or possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/403">TS</a>]
00:06:48 ◼ ► optional on the Honda Fit you have a bunch of cameras that show you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/408">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► stephen Hunter cordova backup camera so you know their cameras are coming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/411">TS</a>]
00:06:56 ◼ ► cars near you and please please don't read in telling us about regulations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/416">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► our backup cameras to be there we know that those thank you also unrelated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/421">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► any of the other follow-up unknown has told us that there's lots of classical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► music in the iTunes Music Store Apple music I'm not sure why that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/430">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► significant but it's in the show notes and we have now covered it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/433">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► yeah I don't know who it was said that but a bunch of people and that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/436">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► quota is likely all that you know there's tons of classical music in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/439">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► very next thing from Frank hertz is for unknown reasons Apple iTunes Apple music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/442">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► Spotify anything are also a classical music vast archive studio recordings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/446">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► remain unavailable online so there are two opinions of classical music one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/450">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► person saying that one person's name I did not record saying there's tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/454">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► classical music and other person saying that there's not so I don't know what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/458">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► think but obviously at least one person is not satisfied with the selection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/463">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► you don't say yeah and then Chris wrote in to say that nothing was not on iTunes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/466">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► these hip hop mixtapes even mainstream mines almost never on streaming services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/470">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► are stories due to copyright for all the samples they include but I guess kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/475">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► falls in the same categories matchups this is my favorite piece of follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/478">TS</a>]
00:08:03 ◼ ► to this week we had somewhat comically somewhat flippantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/483">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► told underscore David Smith last episode or had assumed that underscore David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/488">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► Smith would figure out the origin of the phrase on an infinite time scale this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/493">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► was referenced about 43 minutes into the last episode underscored has reported it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/499">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► is totally unsurprising and yet kind of surprising and he has said that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/504">TS</a>]
00:08:29 ◼ ► first usage of the exact phrase infinite time scale wasn't boys by Marco on ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/509">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► 83 @ about an hour in 14 minutes however the concept was introduced in eighty p53 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/514">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► in about an hour and 16 minutes but in Allen quoting John never used be now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/523">TS</a>]
00:08:49 ◼ ► canonical phrasing himself I love to underscore David Smith I don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/529">TS</a>]
00:08:54 ◼ ► he figured this out I don't know what he did but he figured it out while he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/534">TS</a>]
00:08:58 ◼ ► the official show the story that is true he is the official show historian and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/538">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► the reason he looks up as my attention is that this infinite times killing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/542">TS</a>]
00:09:05 ◼ ► not the canonical praising him anything that it is what Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/545">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► made up to make fun of my argument that I made to him and I and probably in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/549">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► Episode III the concept once again was that if you agree with me that something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/554">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► will happen eventually but can never actually agree on any actual finite I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► like well you know and then at the market as well an infinite times the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/562">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► ideas that you not saying you know it will happen one time equals infinity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► you're saying we all agree that at some point in the future this thing will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/569">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► happen but it won't happen this year or next year or the year after that or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/572">TS</a>]
00:09:36 ◼ ► year after that or the year after that so you try to try to get the pin the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/576">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► person down you say well is it ever gonna happen or that never in as well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/579">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► gets gonna have a dimension of course we agree but then like five years 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/584">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► 15 years a hundred years and so intimate time scale infinity was is conceptually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/587">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► in there but I don't think I use that particular phrase again entirely sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/593">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► because can remember what you say so I had I would love for people to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/596">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► definitively the source of someone else wrote and said they thought it was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/601">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► debugging was going to say it may be said and done debug have made similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/605">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► arguments with stubborn people who refused to acknowledge the inevitability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/609">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► I believe by the way like arguing with marco was about another guy and Marcos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/612">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► both about how Jack you see needed to be replaced yep that's right I had and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/619">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► had to resort to like here we all agree it's gonna happen eventually right guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/623">TS</a>]
00:10:28 ◼ ► will eventually turn out to be like next year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/628">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► something yes it was yeah but that doesn't seem like you never sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/631">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► it's farther than you think like a new technologies can be held in five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/636">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► and years especially about to do with medicine it's always five to 10 years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/639">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► away and it just seems like it takes so you know so long to get there but intact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/643">TS</a>]
00:10:47 ◼ ► you can be caught by surprise because lots of things intact are feasible right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/647">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► now but we know there's a bunch of other things that are stopping them from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/654">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► happening and so it could happen tomorrow probably not and it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/657">TS</a>]
00:11:01 ◼ ► happen last year and didn't happen to you before I like we're with Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/661">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► and you know my whole thing like oakland 2010 2010 came and went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/665">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► director see right so that's the fun of the industry where end that unlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/669">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► medicine and other fields where things are very often and pure sciences things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/676">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► very often much farther out than you think their technology there are lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/682">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► things that we know are possible today but that sort of market forces are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/684">TS</a>]
00:11:28 ◼ ► momentum or you know just stubbornness of the people in charge of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/688">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► companies caused this not to happen when we want them to but then I could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/692">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► wake up one day and boom all of a sudden it's their room a positive files that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/697">TS</a>]
00:11:41 ◼ ► come from and what happened next year and could you could literally have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/701">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► could have happened this year could literally happening sure there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/709">TS</a>]
00:11:51 ◼ ► stopping it other than you know taking a long time to do something that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/711">TS</a>]
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00:24:12 ◼ ► open web to say hey it's kind of BS about wasn't there I don't think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1452">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► that I don't take any issue with that I do think he got a little bit aggressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► saying safaris in Hawaii and the way I read the original article was that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► was bitter that his favorite new features the web or the his favoured I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► don't know new technologies Apple doesn't seem to be supporting and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► seemed like he was pretty grumpy about that I don't think that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► necessary but like you said Marco sometimes you just fired up about stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► that he had a little aggressive in you to really kind of regret it afterwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► yet and it's important that you know he did write this follow-up peace and he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► addresses many of the common criticisms head-on and elaborate a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:57 ◼ ► and does kind of attract some of the severity of his original post and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1497">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► and you know he talked about the title like you know so far is the new IE is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► really catchy title it's 80 some people using it being linked bTW it sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► that was really his intent but you know it doesn't matter I think we can move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:12 ◼ ► past that analogy because that is irrelevant because it's really not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1512">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► accurate and we know we were all around developing for the old ideas that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:19 ◼ ► really bad and the new IDs are glorious compared to the old and they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1519">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► not quite right but they're much closer now than they used to me and it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► impossible to to understate how much of a pain it was to develop and you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► advanced web layout even or even any kind of symbol of any kind of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► here in like 2006 when you when you when there was all this great stuff moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► forward and you had to still support these terrible versions of IE that broke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► everything in such big ways like it was so much worse believe me so this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:55 ◼ ► that was a fair analogy but I think we can move past that as you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1555">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► well I think there is something to that the reason why but that's part of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► could be as you said i'm looking at this picture may be young enough that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► didn't live through the dark times and doesn't understand exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► exactly how grim situation was when you like i remember not being able to set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► the font with CSS and I like it was like seriously like i cant style text like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► forget about lab forget about the friggin box model forget about to text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► back in the bad old days like IE five could do it on the Mac but no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► soviet so there's obviously not in terms of area but why why would he pick this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:35 ◼ ► title that the frustration is feeling as a web developer and by the way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1595">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► still true even though they're so much better it still I still think I is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► new I like you want to do something on the web and when you do anything on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:53 ◼ ► web it's like it's not like Android fragmentation where you at ten different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1613">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► version sometimes there's just certain things you can't do because you know X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► percentage of users using a particular browser to access big effects even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► like high single-digit percentages like well we can't do because you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► are you gonna say about 5% of our users have you got a lot of users 5% as a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► of people like no one is going to agree to that you know and so I wish I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:15 ◼ ► use this thing about 5% of my views are still in ie8 and I it has a limit on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1635">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► number of selectors and CSS CSS files into multiple files or we don't use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► but there's always some stupid limitation for some technology you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► to use and there's always one browser that is like that is the one like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► you say hey we should do this you tried and all the browsers and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► month ago it supported everywhere but in this one and again I think I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► nothing changes the performance these days a lot of times things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► reasonably fast and all the WebKit based browsers are still not as fast night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► again I is getting much better really fast so it is not too bad I used to but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► I still catching up but the texts known as talking about our new things like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► shadow and web components and service workers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► like things that give new capabilities on the merits of a prelate in a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► focus on his articles have been like coherence right here on the right things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► that I like native apps but using web technologies but I think that's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► beside the point I think it's really there's a bunch of new web technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► inside ok well what browsers can what modern browsers can I use this deck with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:29 ◼ ► and he points to the site can I use dot com which gives the United grades like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1709">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► what browser support which thing and for a surprising number of these new things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:37 ◼ ► so far is the one that the lagging behind lagging behind chrome even which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1717">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► you know used to be WebKit bracing now is based on blank and even some of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► is implemented some of these things and more than Safari and so if you are web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► developer and every time you wanna do something cool you are stopped because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► either Mobile Safari or just a few people care about desktops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► if every time you go through this exercise you start seeing safari is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► one stopping you and Safari has a historical review the reputation as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► good standards-compliant browser you know WebKit is greater and let's webcam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► like it's the good web rendering engine right you start to feel like Safari is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► the one stopping you from doing what you want to do on the web and I i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► is separate from do you wanna make apps or whatever like you are using XDA be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► local stores even stuff like showdown with almost nothing to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► outsourced without having a sane way to plop in some content in another page not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► have to fight the the cascade of CSS you know like web components and showered on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► some like these are good technologies that it is beneficial to the web period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► having nothing to do with making web things like out like apps and safari is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► behind on a lot of these and the other part of it the casey was mentioning is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► like well I they really behind your head they're just not announced that support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1797">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► mike is is the next major version Safari gonna come out and help support for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► Ali's when new person so far come out tons of stuff isn't it and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► hear about the stuff until it comes out which is different than the most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► makers do so in these web conferences with all the other browser makers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:15 ◼ ► showing off their cool things Apple is not there because Apple doesn't go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1815">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► any conferences Apple goes to watc right they don't they tend not to show up at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► other places he's not in a public way and so it feels like they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► participating in the community so that combined with the fact that safari is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► behind on a lot of these things makes you feel like the thing the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► that's stopping you from doing what you wanna do it so far just like the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► you stop you from doing what you need to do is i in terms of degree it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► different because people don't realize how bad it was a time when I A sucked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► and be with not getting any better Safari does not suck and is getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► better it just possibly getting better slightly slower and these specific areas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► that web developers kerouac care about in terms of this president has support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:02 ◼ ► for this thing this president's overall Safari doesn't never mind and this also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1862">TS</a>]
00:31:06 ◼ ► spirals into like why can't I have other web rendering engines and iOS and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1866">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► some things but I think the kernel of truth behind the title is that this web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► developer feels like every time he wants to use a new technology so far is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► browser to stopping him because the party is on the list of browsers that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► cares about and has to support but doesn't have this new tech why I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► it's even it's even more specific than that I think it's that he's trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► make an elaborate more on the follow-up Lake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:36 ◼ ► he believes and this is not just him this is a very widespread belief that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1896">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► after velopment like native app development is you know one thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► it's kind of a bad thing it's kind of an efficient and that the way forward for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► mobile is to just write really advanced web ads and to have one web app that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► write that runs on all mobile platforms and that way you don't have to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1916">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► native apps that is that it that is seemingly his his main goal of position [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► here is like that that is the end goal that is the ideal and so what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► talking about is you know iowa is holding him back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► it's really it's it's a thousand percent about iOS Safari and not about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► desktop really it's about iOS Safari on iOS Safari being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► you know the only built in thing that you can use on iOS devices which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► kind of popular and he wants to write an app that he that can run on Android and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► iOS by by being in a web app and he wants that apt to have basically you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► know all the all the same abilities and quality and performance and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► as native apps and that is that is extremely common among among a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► large segments web developers to have that goal in that position and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► priorities in mind but I really don't think those are apples priorities and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:54 ◼ ► mean I have a whole lot to say about standards standards people but it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1974">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► because that is what all these people are pushing for does not mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► either that's what users care about or that's what Apple wants to enable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► there's lots of downside to that like one of things he cites in his blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► in the second post he's talking about he said you know I just one of many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:21 ◼ ► examples he says there's a problem using this local database interface which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2001">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► forgive me I have not followed the stuff so I don't know what is possible what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► not and what limits are but there is he he mentions how this local database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► thing he's using local storage iOS four website forbes's capped at 50 megs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► then it'll ask the user to confirm that they wanted to go past five megs once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► the past five megs and he saying this is really a problem for making it out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► make something if you're trying to store a whole bunch of data natively in a web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► app and you're limited to five megs without asking and then 50 megs total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2037">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► even after asking that is quite limiting for that purpose but rebels point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► view there any offer way to make apps it's called native apps and they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► have those stories on the patient's and I can see why I don't know if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► why this limits in place or or whether they just haven't gotten around to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► yet but I can see why they would look at this request it just to let you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► when big storm treatments data or whatever they want and and you could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► what I could be a problem because one part of a preview that occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► causes controversial issues is they actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:36 ◼ ► Norwich rules on how you use storage and you have to mark your files as backup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2076">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► you can't just like download excessive amounts of data or store excessive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:49 ◼ ► amounts of data without a good reason and storage management and iOS is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2089">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► about her apt controls so you can go to the general you 16 which still isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► great but you can go there and you can see a modest pays what apps using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► most and Apple give you these controls to say all right well you can you here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► your list of apps here's the story you can you delete or make choices based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► that so there's all these like all this baggage that comes along with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► ability to use lots of storage space on device and you have to when when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► enabling web technology and web capabilities you have to be much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► conservative and much more limiting for many good reasons performance battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► life but also security and usability and many of these features like modern web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► standards are are going way beyond what web standards meant ten years ago ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► years ago it was only talking about like how a page be laid out and different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► capabilities you have with CSS and end a little bit of javascript like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:54 ◼ ► really what webster about so back then the idea was lets you know fix all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2154">TS</a>]
00:35:59 ◼ ► girls you did in the past make things better for layout and enable a few small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2159">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► things and in javascript and let's make it we only had to make one that a markup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► and back then that made perfect sense back then it was very defensible and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► wasn't by the way it wasn't some like perfectly clean thing that just happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► all of a sudden everyone was on board that took years to hammer out and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► took your for that stuff is remotely usable but you know back then it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► much simpler think it was all about like how does the page render now what many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► of these standards are demanding or or or creating are requesting is much much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► harder things to make performance and secure and good for users and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► know some things like you know spawning background processes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► having any kind of native hardware access or more like a compiled code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► access any kind of interaction where you can break out of the browser so things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► like notifications access to the hardware sensors vibration something now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2217">TS</a>]
00:37:02 ◼ ► so many of these new standards are breaking out of the page that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2222">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► rendered and doing way more advanced stuff stuff that is usually only the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► realm of native absolutes in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► of apps so especially on iOS four apples very careful that these things for very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► good reasons I can totally see why they would not only moves slowly but also say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► noticing things because that actually if they actually let every web app create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► 500 Meg gigabyte large databases that are not under the under a preview and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► can do whatever they want and it's hard to people to be able to find and delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► that stories like that's a problem it you have to quit everything any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► capability that Apple adds to WebKit and the web engine and in Mobile Safari they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► have to assume the worst like assuming what what is the worst possible people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► were there were the result of gonna do with this on like some ad network that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► embed on every single web page or something like there are so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► ramifications of privacy there's battery there's usability this be a mean so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► considerations there that it is totally completely reasonable that Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:17 ◼ ► both moves slowly and say no to some things so I think that limiting web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2297">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► technologies the only things that show pages and not allowing a play things as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► shortsighted because a lot of a lot of things that web applications are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► today did a crappier because of the lack of progress and standards and even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► like this sort of the modern way of running web applications where a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► it happens clients over their century JavaScript applications that execute on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► the client which is better than I make securing the server fewer round trips in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► the client has faster CPU dedicated just to you and also the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:53 ◼ ► but still served up by loading a page that gives you this gigantic water of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2333">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► JavaScript that may be magnified in office Gaiden geez it can you bring it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► back to browse and across the brothers to compile it every time even if it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► a cached version doesn't catch to compile the copy and then that takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► time sometimes just you burn milliseconds just parsing and Lexington [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► compiling the jobs before you even start executing it and that's the type of crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► that makes just plain ol the web pages feel slower it it adds latency and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► everything has kind of like other web assembly stuff going on out there that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► what I always kind of been reading for something like dark but better or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► swift in the browser or something like that like that people are doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► with current technologies that are that are making making the web experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► worse for users and that's there are advances in those areas that are sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► separate from the like you're talking about it like oh you just give web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► developers fear and if your hardware and let them start times a day do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► just you know just chatted online and webcam points that's not nasty animal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► can do that in fact that enables technologies that allow you to have sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► of reusable components that are more isolated from each other that don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► access to other parts of the pages that are separate that that make web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► development easier just to kind of like do the things we're doing now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► technologies to do them better and it's not as if Apple isn't pursuing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:16 ◼ ► like if you talk about the web standards of apples in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2416">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► is and has been for many years active participant aw three see like they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► you should use for like serving upright and images for example Apple with heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► participate in that thing the canvas tag basically comes from Apple they do care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► about web standards and they have their permission position and they push their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► things and such as Microsoft on the other participants in the web standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► process is just that in the grand scheme of things if you had to rank the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► how aggressive they are pursuing standards for the most part the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► browsers are more aggressive than Apple and partly because they kind of have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► be because what would Firefox's claim to fame be there was both less popular and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2457">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► yes you know technologically advanced than Safari in kind of the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► but I E which is trying to like refurbish its reputation as the browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► doesn't imply anything so they're gung ho to jump on whatever they can and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► Google course which is everything it does web app so you know they chose to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► thing which was talking about why it was kind of natural for Google to go its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► way with WebKit because they were just they were driving the development to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► large extent and they wanted things and they wanted things now and they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► want to be held back by set of Apple's more cautious release schedule so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► think the frustration that all web developers told that whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► browser as its not letting them do the thing they want to do is real but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► don't know what the solution is because it's not as if you know all this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► frustration can be real and this position can be justified from the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► of view i have a web developer but I don't think any of it is compelling in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2517">TS</a>]
00:42:00 ◼ ► any way for Apple to change what it's doing because he just loved her and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2520">TS</a>]
00:42:03 ◼ ► well what is Apple's respective what do they care about what what role do they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2523">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► see the web browser taking what things are important to them and a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► people like sort of countering this article saying about this part is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► that bad take a look at this there was one showing the CSS for select their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► support with WebKit Knightley has like 53 percent support in the end the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► closest one is the Chrome Canary at 32% and everything tails off from there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► always care alot about CSS there was someone who is showing like a CSS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► spinner to showing a little shape spinning around with CSS looking at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:33 ◼ ► CPU usage if you just think spin Safari CPU usage is 20 firefighters 23% chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2553">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► is 20% design I was 10 not an iOS Apple's always cared about power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► efficiency so they want to do as many things as possible in an efficient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► manner they they emphasize a lot of the past couple WWC them to what should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► know what should our your web kid be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► a page is just open in the browser but you're not looking at your house apart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► not killing your CPU and waking up every few milliseconds to animate some stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► JavaScript thing how is it maintaining responsiveness but not kill your CPU [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:10 ◼ ► those things that happens concentrating on the spending a lot of engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2590">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► effort to things that are important to Apple for its platform and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► web developers complained that they can use particular technologies are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► come into Apple to add those technologies any faster because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:26 ◼ ► no sort of meeting of the minds who is no sort of like let me tell you why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2606">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► would be better for you Apple that's why you should do it all it is this would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► better for me and I will be better for us if your native apps and so they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► stand there are installed it and say well snapple's like well I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► add that thing we're adding the things that are like this party and stuff all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► the time I'm always amazed maneuvered his farrakhan that how much stuff isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► it is just not necessarily you things that you would want if your goal is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► be a web developer I do worry a little bit about Apple kind of falling behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2634">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► the other browsers to the point where it really is I E in terms of standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► apart when you know when like everybody else has had support for you no say in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:08 ◼ ► text me catches on it becomes like a big thing and everyone has it and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2648">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► has had it for five years and still is enough support for a new certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► kind of the web community sort of votes with their implementations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► just like well I can't do that cuz I he doesn't have eventually web community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► was like you know what I'm using using CSS the standard was released in 1996 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► I'm going to use the only way to stop texting my site is CSS screw I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► web community voted the city even though the version of IE that some huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► percentage of my users are using does not support this feature I'm still going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► to write my website and it and when I user complaints I'm gonna say you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► what screw you like that that can eventually happen I used you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:52 ◼ ► to ever get in a situation where they are the only ones refusing to implement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2692">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► some particular standard because it doesn't fit with this strategy and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► the wider community of web developers votes with their keyboards and says well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► fine Apple don't supported were writing went out to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:07 ◼ ► everyone comes in here in Mobile Safari is going to be a big thing that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2707">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► a modern browser I get the doomsday scenario that is we are far from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:14 ◼ ► today very far from it because most of these standards are talking about are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2714">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► barely implementing the other browsers are super bugs everywhere no Mirai any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► appetite right but I do worry about that happening simply because Apple party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:28 ◼ ► seems so different than the priorities of pretty much every other company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2728">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► makes a web browser even Microsoft at this point which maybe we'll talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► their their their difficulties with their own native platforms and how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► web may become more important to them as they go forward and the same with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► web is kind of the savior of Apple became safer received from being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► irrelevant because everybody can use the web and once the Maxi use the web that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:52 ◼ ► gave them you know an extension on their lifeline and gave ample time to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2752">TS</a>]
00:45:56 ◼ ► come back from the brink right back to be the situation then I guess that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2756">TS</a>]
00:45:59 ◼ ► going to now so even though yes this article is it's a channel and it's sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2759">TS</a>]
00:46:06 ◼ ► of dating one position but it is not particularly compelling Apple to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2766">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► what it's doing I do worry about the sort of kernel of truth underlying this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► this dissatisfaction and that's certainly fair but I think you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► if this does continue to get worse to the point where it's a big problem that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► Apple doesn't support things that people do the market will sort that out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:30 ◼ ► you know as you said that you know if somebody puts up the doomsday page is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2790">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► well sorry our this cool app everyone to use doesn't work on safari then Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► will will you know if that truly succeed that Apple be forced to respond and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:43 ◼ ► respond or to lose all of our business or lose our browser and that's fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2803">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► I think one of the problems with this is we certainly know what samples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:53 ◼ ► motivation here like the goal of having web apps replace native apps that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2813">TS</a>]
00:47:02 ◼ ► something that web developers are clamoring for but our users clamoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2822">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► for it are native app developers clamoring for it like it it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:13 ◼ ► this is the kind of thing that web developers are all saying in order for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2833">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► us to keep doing things the way we like best we need these things to make as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► relevant in this world that right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► are in first class citizens but that world and the people who use it don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► have that problem like me as as as a native as a native app developer and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► a user of native apps on my phone I don't have the problem of my wife s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► can't do enough like that is not a problem I have but you know you do have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► that I quentin offers obviously other users have it too because you have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► problem is that developers have two companies that had a software product or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/2870">TS</a>]
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01:21:55 ◼ ► microsoft also announced reduction of up to 7,800 positions primarily in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4915">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► phone business as a result the company will record an impairment charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► approximately six or seven point six billion dollars related tasks associated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► with the acquisition of the Nokia devices and services business in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► addition to a restructuring charge of approximately 750 million 250 million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► Yates and just for reference isn't that they're basically saying like the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► press repaid for Nokia as a write off isn't that basically what they paid for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:27 ◼ ► it since they bought a Nokia device that have been lost ten billion dollars on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4947">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► is not a great acquisition and like I always wonder why I don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► enough to know someone is highly motivated to make these things happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► right someone is highly motivated to marry to large companies together but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► for them right but anybody from the outside and probably most people on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:53 ◼ ► know that the joining of these two giant companies despite all the talk of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4973">TS</a>]
01:22:57 ◼ ► synergy is going to be a terrible idea like nothing you know nothing good is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4977">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► going to come from this multi-billion dollar acquisition that the chances are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► really really really high but instead what's going to happen is more losses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► more layoffs just like bad things will happen I mean it's possible to have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► possible that good acquisitions have a bye next was perhaps the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:19 ◼ ► acquisition in the history of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/4999">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► value value was like four hundred million dollars for next or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► was you look at what they gotta deal tremendous right all sorts of like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► bought a small company that was a great idea because it helped me make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► product that you know whatever buying the company that you liked hid sensor or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► strategic investments and other small companies but when it's like a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► that's in trouble buying some other company for a really really big amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► of money I just always seems like to me from the outside that seriously someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► thinks is a good idea like this is not going to save them this is going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► disaster and most of the time you're right but somebody in all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:59 ◼ ► companies must be both incentivize to do it and in the position where they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5039">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► make it happen and those people are laughing all the way to the bank are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► retiring to their private islands or whatever it is they're doing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► Microsoft is a company if you care about Microsoft is accompanied them by Nokia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► Google buying Motorola all seem like really bad ideas in retrospect it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► really bad ideas at the time like maybe there was nothing else they could do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► this is the best of the bunch of bad options but boys is very disappointing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► don't you think though that I do agree with you but don't you think in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► situation where Microsoft was arguably a little bit on the ropes was a year or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► two ago when they when they bought a Nokia Nokia I was pronounced it wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:44 ◼ ► sorry if they have a lot of money in the bank and their kind on the ropes why not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5084">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► give it a shot like I i agree that intellectually it didn't never seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► like it was going to work it just seemed like a bad idea but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► if you're if you're in a bad position but you have a pretty big war chest what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► else are you really supposed to do what you pull down on R&D and hope you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► out some good it kinda seemed like at the point that they bought Nokia their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► whole strategy about like are we going to make our own phones are we going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► make Windows phones that have other people make films like trying to waffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► between the Apple strategy and the Microsoft Windows strategy where do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► just make the software and you make other people like the hardware or have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► we decided that that doesn't work anymore and we need to make our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► hardware because he can't do both very well liked its cool in Andhra likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► make Nexus phones but they want anyone else to use Android but they let people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► do whatever they want then ribbon I really excellent have more tightly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► it is doubtful strategy but for the most part of his been straightforward and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:49 ◼ ► Microsoft has been in between strategies for a while the window strategy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5149">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► clear we make the software you make the hardware Usk each other into your march [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► 20 in your business we make money hand over fist right that is very clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► strategy they tried to do the same thing with mobile and it just never worked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► and so they doing this slow motion transition into kinda like the apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► right like once the bug Nokia was like so are you all in on the Apple strategy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► basically bought a phone company you're gonna make Windows phones running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► Windows that you make like that seems like we didn't but you're also still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► like what do you guys even do just it was it's like they didn't want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► what Steve Jobs did when he came back without Apple was immediately make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► super hard choices are we doing phones are we not doing and it seems like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► spent ten billion dollars to delay a few years in saying we're not doing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► least not this way this way where we make our own phones and I can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► understand like the next caught up in the show's here as such in the dumbest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:50 ◼ ► thing we're moving from a strategy to grow a stand-alone phone business to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5210">TS</a>]
01:26:54 ◼ ► strategy to grow and create a vibrant windows ecosystem including our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5214">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► first party family what the hell does that even mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► mean you're not going to have a stand-alone phone business you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► have a vibrant windows ecosystem fine including Iran first-party device family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► with no you just try to do this middle road like we want to have a vibrant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► ecosystem are also gonna make your own phones like he also wants to focus his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► phone business and making every kind of fun for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► either just say we lost in mobile we were too late we moved too slowly made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► too many mistakes were gone or pick one thing strategy and focus on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► laser-like and their current waffling it just seems like you're just dragging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► things out and really making things better I think you're right cases like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► the Nokia acquisitions like the one thing we don't have a lot of time but we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► do have a lot of money so let's just go for it maybe it will help maybe it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► maybe you could say well it's too late you never gonna get traction but who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► knows they could have maybe something could have happened they could have had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► a particular feature in a new Windows Phone that caught the public imagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► and suddenly you know I don't like it was it's conceivable but it just seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► that like they're not quite ready at these layoffs are actually kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:14 ◼ ► good thing we're not quite ready to do that crazy brutal immediate cuts that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5294">TS</a>]
01:28:18 ◼ ► apples with apples gonna banker Microsoft is not right so Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5298">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► better motivated to do the cuts that it did Microsoft probably needs to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:28 ◼ ► same kind of cutting it just is you know because they're not in such dire straits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5308">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► they're not quite ready to do that in like deciding to know a company like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► concentrates on as your mobile services and psych server-side backends kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:43 ◼ ► like a better friendlier less creepy Google where the hell they've been to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5323">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► you and of course they still on the desktop and Alyssa like that company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:55 ◼ ► doesn't seem to include mobile as an essential component that strategy they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5335">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► want to have that strategy they want to say we sell the enterprise we own the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► desktop PC space we also have windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► mobile services type things for for vendors of all platforms including other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► mobile platforms and by the way we also on her own phone platform and our own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► phones and have a phone operating system to other peoples phones like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:19 ◼ ► know microsoft today as the market something keep doing that so it's weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5359">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► that I'm rooting for Microsoft to to get it scrapped together a thought they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► really were but I mean I guess I'm just a retrospect yelling at them some more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► acquiring ok I guess this is the right move to move on but it's tough for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:39 ◼ ► the people who are getting laid off and I still don't understand these quotes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5379">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► this press release about this tragedy moving forward still seems like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► still crossing their fingers and hoping somehow that Windows Phone will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► viable in some form of a question why do you say it's weird for you to be rooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► for Microsoft wild why is that weird cuz I hate Microsoft a long time but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5395">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► have they done to you lately i dont im not gonna make the analogy I was making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► him because it's terrible and people should yell at me much more than they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► about making it so I'm not going to make it again but yeah I explain this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► nicer terms many times before when I was growing up it was so clear to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► Apple had the better operating system and technology and everything for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► desktop computing and the company that one in the market was Microsoft with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► inferior product as far as I was concerned and I'll never forgive them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► for destroyed like even though is only a span of like 10 or 20 years where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► Microsoft was the dominant force in desktop computing that was an important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:38 ◼ ► ten to twenty years in my particular lifespan and they've earned it all by by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5438">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► winning on the basis of merit that I did not consider important for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► one so I hold a grudge against them just silly and immature in reality I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:51 ◼ ► actually working for them so explain to you why do I ever have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5451">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► resistance to Microsoft that's why I well understand what you're saying it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► big of you and i'm not i'm not patronizing its big of you to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► you're holding a grudge being a baby about it but not to turn this into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:08 ◼ ► accidentally locked but do you feel don't you think that it that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5468">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► the domination of Microsoft and their daughter demise or near demise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:21 ◼ ► to to rise from the ashes and become the powerhouse there today it makes a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5481">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► dramatic story but they didn't need it to do with you know tonight if Apple had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► become the dominant force in desktop computing I would have had a happier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► lately I don't know that it really could have ended up this way like I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► there's no there's no way for us to know right but I'm not entirely sure that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► situation like this situation and that makes a really good story because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► company that almost goes out of business then becomes the biggest company in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► world is a great story right and the return of a leader as a great narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► but the current place where in with the current Apple I don't know if this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► the best of all possible worlds at this point right like i said im I'm rooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:09 ◼ ► for Microsoft to get its act together I would like to see it concentrate on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5529">TS</a>]
01:32:13 ◼ ► things that is actually good at I still have a a taste issue with Microsoft to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5533">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► use the old Steve Jobs slam on them in a lot of the things they do I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► technically and aesthetically displeasing for reasons that are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:28 ◼ ► probably teddy and silly but just even down to the use of backslashes in all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5548">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► capital letters like stuff like that matters to me it's stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:38 ◼ ► whatever it does I feel like my my sensibilities did not match up with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5558">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► sensibilities are much greater match 290 terrible sensibilities and unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► sensibilities and combine them to then you have modern Apple sensibilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► which I'm still pretty much you know on the same wavelength with not been on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► same way of life with Microsoft most things and you know the most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► major manifestation of my grudges have to admit in in the gaming world where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► still don't have an xbox and I can possibly help it and they bought bungee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:12 ◼ ► did I mention that anyway it was a lot of bitter for many years don't say so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5592">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► when I was in high school and middle school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► I was picked up by crazy they were there were so many people who picked on me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:26 ◼ ► some of it I wasn't helping but a lot of it just I was done you know so I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5606">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► rough time and so in college I was home for one of the summer's and I i was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:37 ◼ ► good internship at Nationwide Insurance and one morning I i stopped off at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5617">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► at the coffee shop in the neighborhood I grew up in and the guy behind the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:47 ◼ ► counter to serve me was one of the biggest bullies to me in in school and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5627">TS</a>]
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01:39:12 ◼ ► makes the hardware over into the Apple strategy being really late to the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5952">TS</a>]
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01:39:24 ◼ ► mobile is not like every year this new cell phones but doesn't give you a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► chance to see who's going to be on top this year like the market shares that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/5967">TS</a>]
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01:49:24 ◼ ► involves there you know kind of a swipe around and stuff and so the tiles idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/6564">TS</a>]
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01:49:34 ◼ ► icons like there were a lot of good ideas buried in there but it was a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:38 ◼ ► off a lot maybe not more than they get you but they did a whole lot and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTY_cwo/6578">TS</a>]
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