00:00:00 ◼ ► John house renovation going let's go and a bunch of stuff is done about the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► still needs to be done sometimes it rains description of life is that Glee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/6">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► and now I'm just trying to now like made my peace with with the fact that things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/15">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► are not done to my standards and it's like just you know just let it go its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/20">TS</a>]
00:00:25 ◼ ► fine have you met a human being much less a contractor that can complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/25">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► anything the air standards like how does that go for you at work I allow myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/29">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► to do some amount of nagging and some amount of asking for things to be redone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/33">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► in a better way but a certain point yet to be like looked at it is what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/37">TS</a>]
00:00:41 ◼ ► go forward Friday they do in the front door thanks that'll that'll be that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/41">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► involves a lot of potential detail work and a lot of potential for me to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/47">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► disappointed in what ends up happening that's the way you look at this is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/51">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► not a lot of potential for you to be delighted it's a lot of potential for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/55">TS</a>]
00:00:58 ◼ ► you to be disappointed now forget about too late and then and then finally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/58">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► painting at the end I'm hoping even the painting I'm like I like you know well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/62">TS</a>]
00:01:06 ◼ ► the prep work be done to my satisfaction almost certainly not like you can cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/66">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► they're not stripping all the paint off just wanna paint the trim get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/74">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► there but I wanted you know demands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/77">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► really had no idea I mean as nice as well like I i just i cant imagine being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/81">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► you know you have things still beats up big time you know sometimes you make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/87">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► cut in the wrong spot sometimes something isn't square when it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/94">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► sometimes corners don't meet up the way it's supposed to anybody can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/97">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► is the question of the body you and sometimes you just gotta just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/101">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► just letting go and just be like I write whatever anyway I'm very particular how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/105">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► does this work out for you at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/112">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► given that you're so particular how do you how do you continue to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/113">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► co-workers or do you just do everything single-handedly programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/116">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► israeli particular to just does whatever you know you have to really get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/120">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► exactly right that you don't you don't work so you won't talk about Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/125">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► being the new IE some more nope there were actually a couple things about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/132">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► I wanted to get to this week we should have been in the follow-up then see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/136">TS</a>]
00:02:23 ◼ ► easy it is for those who are listening Marco Marco just typed into the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/143">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► notes in the very first entry of the follow-up section safari is the new I EF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/149">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► you yes so you don't need only the FU because it's in that section as we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/155">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► done john has deleted the letters a few min then added a sublet Marco talks yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/159">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► so since I will blindly read the document it appears Marco that we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/169">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► some follow-up with regard to safaris new ie would you like to tell us about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/175">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► that yeah sure first of all we did get a good email actually just like an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/179">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► ago from somebody Lauren who says don't be so dismissive of web applications I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/183">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► work in ocean freight my job involves using a wide variety of web apps almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/189">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► exclusively here she doesn't list a whole bunch of different things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/193">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► all like I believe these are these would be called line of business applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► that is that a fair judgement of all the stuff to talk about how like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/200">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► they're on Windows machines they use this like internal tracking app to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/205">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► well as other stuff and also talking about things like you know the general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/210">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► public access and government websites and everything so improvements web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/214">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► functionality are very very much appreciated by all this stuff and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/217">TS</a>]
00:03:41 ◼ ► I should I be dismissive of web apps and I i think this is this is the perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/221">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► example of where cross-platform you know write once run anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► universal accessibility kind of applications make perfect sense like any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► kind of line of business thing where you are a bank and your employees have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/235">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► use a management system from all the different branches to you know conduct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/240">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► business and enter information from customers and check on systems and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/245">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► that a web app that's great that that is the web is very good at that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/249">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► thing and and I i'm not arguing in whatever I've been reading about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/252">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► I'm not arguing that the web apps that the web is is useless today or that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/257">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► has no place in the market only that you know that native absurd replaced quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/263">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► lot of it as a probably the new hotness you know the same way like Visual Basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/269">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► apps for a long time for life business apps before we were really big thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/273">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► it was never like a huge you know massive amount of the software business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/278">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► in in like the part that he knew about but it was still like there is big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/283">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► business to be had there really wasn't you know Adobe Photoshop in Visual Basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/287">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► web apps serve a lot of that same role where there there is a lot of usefulness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/292">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► to them there's tons of of applications to which that is the right choice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/297">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► most of those are gonna be boring types of things that are you know internal two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/303">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► companies or government websites delegates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/306">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► it's this kind of stuff that there's not a lot of action happening there it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/310">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► doesn't get a lot of consumer attention and if you're launching a new consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/313">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► consumer focused service or application that probably isn't the right choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/317">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► today so that's mostly the ALS coming from and I think the difference is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/323">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► so much like they're boring or anything to the difference of the customers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/328">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► individual persons like consumers as they have a different value system then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/330">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► governments really big corporations or whatever caused those large those large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/337">TS</a>]
00:05:41 ◼ ► entities made up of lots of people there is institutional knowledge there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/341">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► know no one person has to be smarter wiser house for thought there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/346">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► there's a lot of experience with this type of thing if you are very large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/352">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► company has been around for any amount of time you've been burned by a vendor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/357">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► based your entire company in Visual Basic and having Microsoft like change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/361">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► things around and having their priorities change your doing everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/365">TS</a>]
00:06:07 ◼ ► in Java than having some get bought by Oracle like every big company has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/367">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► by some proprietary system under control by a single company and so they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/373">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► they react with different set of criteria they like the most important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/378">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► thing to us is not to get tied down to a single vendor sort of the masters of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/383">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► own destiny to not let this thing which is supporting thing that helps us run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/388">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► our business do we really want to be super tired and I said let us know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/393">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► stadium are they're trustworthy partner are their priorities aligned with our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/398">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► priorities or they just trying to sell us something like getting entangled with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/402">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► other big companies and making your company's fate will lie in some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/406">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► company's phase is something they want to avoid so big companies are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/409">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► incentivize to find a solution that they give them options so you do it that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/415">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► do on the web doesn't mean you have to develop you have to like it might rain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/421">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► all users from my browser to another and things are going to break maybe did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/424">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► everything and I six of ActiveX controls you realize you actually kind of tired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/427">TS</a>]
00:07:10 ◼ ► anyway or whatever but that is a very different value system that consumers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/430">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► individual consumers are not making the judgments like I don't want most of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/435">TS</a>]
00:07:19 ◼ ► in the we know the people who are like I don't want to tell myself to one company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/439">TS</a>]
00:07:22 ◼ ► vast majority of individual consumers just don't think that way just like is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/442">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► it easy to use and understand it is a nice is it can be mean is it popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/447">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► have heard about it so on and so forth so that i think is the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/451">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► difference in his not so much the things they're using a more or less boring than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► consumer applications because sometimes they really interesting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/458">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► sophisticated depending on like you know the business there in an uneven things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/461">TS</a>]
00:07:46 ◼ ► like government like government stuff I guess it's kind of boring by definition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/466">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► but be super important so much government stuff is moved to the web as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/469">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► opposed to moving to Visual Basic applications or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/474">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► sure every part of the government probably went through that phase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► Microsoft did convince them that light oh yeah I know if you do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/480">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► everyone has a Windows PC and it will be fine in the government loans like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► not a great plan it right so I think that the heavily influences the value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/487">TS</a>]
00:08:14 ◼ ► a solution based on like what your criteria and I think Marcos is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/494">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► that like you know all the people who complain about mark I don't think anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► denied the overall trend like you know and he said i shud we had visited web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► 2.0 phase where the consumer-facing sort of interesting things that got written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/506">TS</a>]
00:08:31 ◼ ► about their interesting to individuals with all a new website a new fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/511">TS</a>]
00:08:35 ◼ ► website and we're in sort of the a barrel of things that we read about our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/515">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► apps and maybe ten years now it'll be something else like that is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/519">TS</a>]
00:08:43 ◼ ► something that's going through a transition in a cycle and a trend but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/523">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► the web stuff the value it has two large entities and to anyone who doesn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/527">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► you pitch their star to some other company whose interests may or may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/532">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► continues to be a viable things like it I don't think anyone saying the web is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/537">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► going to go away at the web the web will probably be allowed around as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/542">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► email because like one something goes out there is widespread as the web and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/547">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► that is as the centralized is the web lots of people are incentivized to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/552">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► that being a thing like if it's something the web to include all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/555">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► consumers are using absurd ever many large entities and companies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► governments and everything are highly incentivized to make the web still be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/565">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► thing because they don't want to be you know can you imagine the chapel the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/569">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► did not want to do with the enterprise wants to do enterprise zone thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/574">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► mean Apple getting that role would be the worst for everybody including Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/579">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► wouldn't take whatever you can figure out how to use it like that they'd do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/584">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► you know they have the corporate thing you could send you can you can push this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/589">TS</a>]
00:09:53 ◼ ► application to all your employees and IBM wants to make iPad apps for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/593">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► everybody right now they're they're moving in that direction but I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/596">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► think that you know it's the same thing as good as IBM's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/603">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► iPad apps maybe I'm not saying it's a bad solution for everybody if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/607">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► some factory and they can give all your employees iPad news application to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/612">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► your business that's probably good but there's a there's a ticking time bomb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/616">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► like this time limit on that at some point in their iPads are going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/619">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► apples I can be a thing that I was not going to thing you're absolutely run in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/624">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► the new version of the OS like it's just a matter of time whereas the web you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/627">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► know no one can know one's decisions can you make your laptop working either you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/631">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► just know that I am signing up to keep my way up to working year after year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/638">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► after year but hopefully that will not be as drastic as like you know 5 p.m. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/642">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► totally change of strategy or the apple IBM partnership goes away or the sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► of the not making iPads anymore because they can't sell them and they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/650">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► everything it to be our goggles or whatever and all and most of these web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/653">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► standards that are pushing the envelope now are things that this massive class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► of applications generally doesn't really need i mean that isn't to say they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/662">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► be made better by them but much of the time they actually can't well it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/668">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► leading into here like these techniques technologies are not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/674">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► relevant to the enterprise for many many years the only thing ever becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/676">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► relevant to the enterprise is it's been around for many many years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/679">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► everyone's implemented this is the third and implementation and every web browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/682">TS</a>]
00:11:25 ◼ ► that's ok now finally had to prime it took so long just to get out by six like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/685">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► the longest time of the other guy six I don't care and while that was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/690">TS</a>]
00:11:33 ◼ ► every other browsers getting better and better and better so when I six miles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/693">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► away mostly because Microsoft you know sort of killed itself I realize it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/697">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► the start moving again everybody else had you know technologies that had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/700">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► worked out in the market for so many years that by the time the enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/705">TS</a>]
00:11:49 ◼ ► woke up and install the guys that and I aid or maybe gay people Chrome or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/709">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► Firefox or something but wow look at all these great new website where did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/713">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► come from well it had been developing the whole time when you were stuck and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/717">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► so I think all this this this web tech guy was not relevant to current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/720">TS</a>]
00:12:04 ◼ ► enterprise apps it's gonna be relevant enterprise out in five years if any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/724">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► these things actually gained widespread adoption I that's sort of true says I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/729">TS</a>]
00:12:13 ◼ ► glad you brought up by a six because the someone who writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/733">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► websites for other companies for a living I i dont i dont markets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/736">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► characterization wanna business apps on the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/742">TS</a>]
00:12:24 ◼ ► earlier was a hundred percent the way I see it the reason I see companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/744">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► deploying line of business apps to the web is because of easy deployment not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/749">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► necessarily because the technology of the web in and of itself is superior in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/754">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► so I cannot tell you the amount of times that up until very recently like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/759">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► were saying John we would be asked to do a website either internally can't run at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/763">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► or sometimes a public website and we would ask ok well what are the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/768">TS</a>]
00:12:52 ◼ ► browser requirements well the most modern version of Firefox +1 back the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/772">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► most modern version of from +1 back and the most modern version of Safari +1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/779">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► back all the way back to I six why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/784">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► well you don't understand all of our computers are standard billed for all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/789">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► our computers is still rocking I 6 because our security department has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/793">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► approved I S seven through 14 or whatever they're on now so yeah you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/797">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► so I think the reason they do this is because they want to have a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/803">TS</a>]
00:13:29 ◼ ► businesses want to have a way to very easily deploy software to their users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/809">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► particularly line of business software and so the easiest way to deploy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/812">TS</a>]
00:13:37 ◼ ► software is to not really deployed at all and just put it on a web server and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/817">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► tell people go to this URL and does that's why we were always targeting I 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/821">TS</a>]
00:13:46 ◼ ► longest time is because all of these standard builds on all these computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/826">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► were on ancient versions of IE and typically Windows XP sometimes even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/830">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► today and so because of that we would have to support these old versions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/834">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► i'd of IE and all of that was about deployment it that it's not about being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/839">TS</a>]
00:14:04 ◼ ► available everywhere in the sense that the web is available everywhere that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/844">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► played it makes sense what i'm saying is it was just about getting this software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/849">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► onto their users machines and the easiest way to do that is to put it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/852">TS</a>]
00:14:17 ◼ ► the web and target whatever browser they're using that's why all these old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/857">TS</a>]
00:14:21 ◼ ► government websites like you were saying John all target I six if that's what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/861">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► government was using and why all of these old websites reason active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/865">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► controls and then again you you for that privilege on all of this stuff was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/869">TS</a>]
00:14:32 ◼ ► because the only thing that these companies cared about was the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/872">TS</a>]
00:14:37 ◼ ► they themselves were using and so there was no incentive to make it better for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/877">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► anyone else except except very recently when they started to realize well having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/881">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► a really crappy website that's kind of a detriment we should really pay attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/889">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► that stuff then move slower but like I mean I I'm assuming you're right now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/892">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► see far fewer instances because Microsoft is moving like they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/897">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► they're killing it as best they can therefore installing a new versions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/901">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► IE stopping support of all this is that could run I L they're trying to kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/905">TS</a>]
00:15:09 ◼ ► seven and eight and a nice ass they can as well so Microsoft is moving again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/909">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► that people are going to have to catch up but yeah they're like it's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/913">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► reason we don't neglect the internet software frequently companies are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/917">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► incentivized to make their interests good so does move slower doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/920">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► that it's never gonna get better doesn't mean that like it just means that for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/924">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► really long time everyone else's web apps are going to be way better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/927">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► yours cuz no one cares about the internet but it is certain point just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► becomes embarrassing ridiculous and it's some some executive somewhere is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/933">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► to realize they can get a lot of points by making everyone in the company better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/938">TS</a>]
00:15:42 ◼ ► bring their their internet site or their line of business web application up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/942">TS</a>]
00:15:46 ◼ ► the standards of five years ago ten years ago never be like wow this is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/946">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► much better because it will be because they'll stop using you know ActiveX [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► controls in frames and whatever the hell they using their internet site so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/953">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► that's a slow motion type of thing but they could just as easily be using be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/958">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► deploying everything as Java applets or maybe it's because they do control both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/963">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► ends but they could do all sorts of crazy things like you know they could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/968">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► a Citrix thing running Windows that you can act like enterprise is going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/971">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► it because they can try both and it's not like they had to say we just need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/976">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► be available everywhere anita Blonde is lots of things that companies will tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/980">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► you that are you don't have to install any software people just click this icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/984">TS</a>]
00:16:28 ◼ ► on the desktop and then get your app and it automatically up-to-date doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/988">TS</a>]
00:16:31 ◼ ► to be the web but I like to think that enough companies have been burned by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/991">TS</a>]
00:16:35 ◼ ► proprietary solutions now that the web has a certain appeal that the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/995">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► solutions down and even going so far as to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► the web and also nothing like ActiveX in the web like we're not going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► everything and flashlight into everything Adobe AIR when I can you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► it and ActiveX because we've learned that is a mistake we're just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► stick to plain old web it's good enough for you know everything else we do on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► the web as consumers our site will be crap here it will be older it will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► clear but it won't be bumpy based on anything that we have to pay like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► annual fee to some other enterprises company for LSU running everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:09 ◼ ► I'm sorry that's my everyday John asked me what our internet is at our company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1029">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► that among other things does internets for other companies that match your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► point what version John I have no idea I don't know I don't try to go to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► SharePoint site and even though there were versions like it is it doing years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► for SharePoint 2013 keep tellin holding goes back to 2007 but we are mostly on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► 2010 it this is in the year 2015 that's that's pretty good but is usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:42 ◼ ► Microsoft standards like was the version 2010 actually true 2009 like our model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1062">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► years I think that's true I don't remember off top my head I totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► understand what you're asking I don't recall I do believe 2013 was introduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► in 2013 and and as with all things you know since your point 2007 was I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1075">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► that having my nails ripped out would have been a more pleasurable than coding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► for SharePoint 2007 SharePoint 2010 in three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► made it barely livable enough that I didn't immediately quit my job Wednesday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► said Oh you have a SharePoint 2010 project to do and supposedly 2013 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► decent so I hear from the people that do SharePoint all the time it's a desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► Linux it's always getting better it's always getting better now our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:33 ◼ ► bunch of this week I am NOT I'm actually serious this is not a joke our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1113">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► bunches week is a global nice a clue is an internet you will actually look igloo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► lets you share news organization files coordinate calendars and manage projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:48 ◼ ► all in one place and in that place is not SharePoint igloo software dot com [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1128">TS</a>]
00:18:55 ◼ ► now you are probably at your job you the public and OKC and John this is true for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1135">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► you your internet is probably something terrible it's probably built on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► SharePoint or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► the role of internets out there is a pretty rough except for a clue a clue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► really takes the best of the modern consumer web technologies and brings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► them into a corporate safe Internet private environment and so you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► things like twitter-like microblogging and annotations on court you know court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► document editing and stuff like that you can do all this stuff right inside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► your internet in your company privately for you they have a huge upgrade our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► recently that revolves around document tracking how you interact with documents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► you gather feedback you can use track changes comment on people's stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:43 ◼ ► can get now somebody wrote in last time I talked about read receipts for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1183">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► documents and it's supposed to be read receipts is that which one must be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► saying here I think I would have said read but I flip-flopped back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► ok well whether it's read receipts or read receipts igloo offers read read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► receipts on documents so that you can do things like you can you can make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► that that certain recipients have read and acknowledge new policies are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► disclosures any kind of you know handbook I think this is this is often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► useful for a char purposes regulatory system that all these things companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► that are real companies unlike what I do have to actually deal with it you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► also just you can do an amazing amount of functionality it with a glue things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► like you know I wasn't doing anything in documents all of that is built on html5 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► there is no flash it's not it's not Java there's no plugins it is all a 2005 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► so this allows you to work with all that functionality of viewing editing Office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► documents to fight at all the tracking all the microblogging all of that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► on mobile devices on every device so that even they even make it work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► blackberrys it works on everything and everything is fully responsive so all in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► all the way out of work on any screen size new screens come out already works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► and they also you can customize your igloo internet to you know give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:02 ◼ ► whatever design you want if the marketing department wants their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1262">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► it does all that for you sign up for a free trial today at a clue software dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► com slash ATT and if you have a group that is 10 or fewer people it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► free indefinitely forever give it a try to also a free trial so even if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► a bigger group give it a try free trial no reason not to if your company has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:27 ◼ ► legacy internet was like it was built in the nineties or in quote 2010 you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1287">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► definitely give a clue ate fried egg blue software dot com slash ATP thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► to a club sponsor and once again every other people think this was like plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► like we let into this for the internet talk you do not understand the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► works now we are not that deliberate vastly overestimate the organization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► speaking of organization one more thing I want to talk about websites I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:56 ◼ ► think deserve all of the abilities of native apps for one key reason there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1316">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► no a preview for websites and you frequently visit websites accidentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► or without opting into certain behavior the web kind of happens to you at your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:13 ◼ ► browsing around you click a link you know where it's going and so this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1333">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► link opens up and whatever PGA open is now executing code you know on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► computer not pulling out native code but it can whatever websites can do they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:30 ◼ ► who didn't even choose you know what I want to go to this website could they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1350">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► could be following a link or could even be a script running on somebody else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► page or an iframe embed it on someone else's page is all these considerations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► you have to have way tighter security for web stuff and you have to have much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► stronger restrictions and environment like that I S we're absolutely his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► review process which I know is controversial but I think even though it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:57 ◼ ► is imperfect I think it is definitely a net win you know ask missus review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1377">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► process and that's great for consumers because so much crap is it we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► protected from don't think the iOS philosophy is the reverse of that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► idea that apps should have the same restrictions as websites not their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► apps because he used to be asking do anything in their website Circuit held [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► in a little box and the iOS version is what about her own apps to their sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► you can't do those things the kinkajou location date unless they ask they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:30 ◼ ► them title review process is part of that it seems almost like it taking apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1410">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► and putting them in a box and websites varies in about another website trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► to get out of the box and the apps I don't know they're happy in their little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► box seems like they're trying to make their bucks bigger too but I they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:44 ◼ ► meet in the middle where you can imagine having a similar set of capabilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1424">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► with a similar set of restrictions and I can get a mean right now for example the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► website can get your location data without asking something they built into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► Safari if they ever did enable any of these like oh you could spawn background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► jobs are local storage it pops up a dialog was not a perfect system it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:03 ◼ ► as fancy as absent took a long time for us to even get like the whole you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1443">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► managing app notifications and Absa storage and which and can use my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► location when I'm in the app when I'm not in the App it seems like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► controls for both of these things about the web and the apps are evolving that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► after way ahead with the sophistication of the controls on stuff and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► you rob unless you like you can't do this because that's the controls are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► place to place you can go into settings to decide which website can do what in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► whatever but already the websites are pretty well confined and I was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► the complaints like oh I don't want to pop up that I will absolutely part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► dollars on a special occasion do but guess what they have to like this I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► think we're figuring out you know even though you opt into downloading apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► they're figuring out how to contain software that's actually topic ever get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► 20 capitan review stuff how to contain software in a safe way and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► much more contain the native apps and at this point the sophistication of how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► contain apps on iOS is well ahead of where it has 4 beds yeah also one issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► that we heard from a few people on which is it worth discussing is browser choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► on iOS and so this is a this is a a bit of a multi-faceted issue there there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► two main problems that people have it on the desktop you can write a browser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► using any rendering engine you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► and you can ship it to people that sit on iOS that is actually forbidden and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► iOS you you are not allowed to render web content with anything other than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► built in WebKit and so chrome for instance I mean let's be honest when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► everybody says we want brother Trevor I was what they're really saying and want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► chrome to be better on iOS and there there is a lot of things like its Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► dragged its feet on implementing some new standard chances are also won't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► it because it's it that part of the rendering engine that's it's sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► from the system that's one problem the other problem is that on the desktop you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► can set your default browser are you default mail client are your default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► calendar app iOS does not have the concept of default apps for these types [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► of things so and iOS the default app is always the built-in system app for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► kinda for this kind of rules and so you can't say if I click a link in an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:20 ◼ ► message open it up in chrome automatically you can't do that it'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1580">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► it'll always open up in the system default browser of Safari first and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► know anything that I just calls OpenURL on Iran's web URL same thing you'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:33 ◼ ► open up in Safari even if you use that's one of the things that we didn't get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1593">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► ISA they were still waiting for by the way yet and and so i'm i'm curious like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► you know on the desktop we have that system and it pretty much works fine I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► curious though what would be the reasons and iOS to never bring that over like at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► this point it seemed that that might be a conscious decision that they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:55 ◼ ► not doing and i can think of a few reasons for Apple point of view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1615">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► why not one of the biggest to me i mean you know you can you can argue things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► like security and everything those those are weak arguments once we have proper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► technological sandboxing in place as we just discussed but what about the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► renderings like JavaScript I think its security still down a reason for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► JavaScript because of the incredible contortions they go through to get Plano [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► JavaScript to run quickly with all just-in-time compilers and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► basically are turning in its native code and if you can exploit that that engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► you know that's because like you said you will be redirected to websites and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► once if someone finds an express exploit where they can somehow send up a load in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► a web page that confuses the the JavaScript engine and some third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► browser and causes you know code execution or the bases have to say like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► third-party web radio and you can make your own web browser fun but you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► you can't do we do with our jobs dependent so basically you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► every job engine to be slow except for ours we get to do the fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► insecure potentially insecure thing but it's just one of that and we fix the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► bugs no one else can make one in fact you can even interpreting let's do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► interpreters writing separately or whatever games you know so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► security is still potentially an issue for stupid slow JavaScript they try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:10 ◼ ► make that your choices like that I don't think you're allowed to have interpreted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1690">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► remember the exact rules but I think security still a reasonable answer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:18 ◼ ► the web browser but I would set aside the web browser and pick my pet peeve is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1698">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► a quite different fault email application I don't want to use Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:25 ◼ ► Mail I don't want to answer any accounts there yet every single application want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1705">TS</a>]
00:28:28 ◼ ► to send mails and me to that account email does not seem like something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1708">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► the just-in-time compiler assumed it was just a nap just to find a protocol that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► people have a third-party application for the email side you lose the security [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► reasons and I think your security reason there is a very good and there's a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► misconception that chrome is not allowed to be as fast as Safari that used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:48 ◼ ► the case that's not been the cases a year ago at least when every one of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1728">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► points using Apple's engine straight up right bulldoze was just before there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1736">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► only UIWebView wouldn't do the job thing as it was in process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► wk webview is way more restricted from from what the afternoon can access like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► if you have a font loaded in your at you I web you'll show it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► wk with you won't because it doesn't have access cuz it's raining it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► raining out a process that's why that's why it's allowing you to have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► native jobs accomplished because all the stuff is happening in their web you is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► not happening in your ass process because part parsing funds that have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► a terrible security all you find a good did you see that article today of Lehi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► Utah the headline so bad so but you know for male clients they don't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► kind of thing you're right there is a cost now clients integration so one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► the iOS API is is to to show a male compose sheet in a nap so to put up a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► sheet when somebody says shared channel never put up a sheet that you can pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► populate the subject you can add attachments you all the stuff that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► know you can do some of that with a mail to the subject but you can't do much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► what the attachments and body inside that very easily with mail to URL so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► some of that they actually wouldn't be able to do if there was a choice so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► can you can see areas like that where there is like some reason where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► say well for integration reasons it would kind of suck if the if the if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► system API would only work if their default mail client was the nail was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► lab have to define like you know to be to be conformant you know suitable like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► this they're not going to like the same pipe dream is saying I would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► replace the Finder I just tell me what sort of Apple event I have to respond to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► to be a comment find a replacement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► you know like maybe it's much more limited like to just you could you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► dictate you could pretty well dictate please you know respond to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► messages support this API support 20 per like whatever the Apple wants to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► do be a full-fledged Mail app replacement you know mail apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:58 ◼ ► applications would conform to cause it shouldn't be too onerous but leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1858">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► something for I was 15 or whatever they wouldn't do and I think it like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► so dazzled nobody cared that didn't do the picture to fall down and they might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► do that in the future i mean you saw this really could but the more I look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► this like it is also there's issues of first of all this competitive issues you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► know obviously when people say I want to shoot me an email app they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:27 ◼ ► looking to choose eudora they're looking to choose gmail like it and when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1887">TS</a>]
00:31:31 ◼ ► see my own browser they're looking at chrome like this is all Google stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1891">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► they want to switch to then the hit that is not I'm sure that was not lost on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► look like Microsoft Outlook yeah yeah whatever that that used to be and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► reading injury there is saying you know outlook for iOS is the best email client [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► that it may very well be because Google Gmail client for I was not that great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► but like because you again because the emails more less an open protocol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► gmail supports IMAP and POP there is hot and so that's why you can have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1918">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► different email client because the emails in November call and you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► need to exchange where you can exchange a positive change the port sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► we're almost there with the mela I don't have to use Apple's applications just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► that everytime I toppling go down and now that you know the great thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► likely to be four when after all right in their own shares sheets and compose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► view controller and I don't know I S five maybe the at the apt had to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► ok give here's a shared email option use the built-in system thing that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► has all these features all the functionality now everyone's just such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:36 ◼ ► as the default shares which includes mail and can also include any other mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1956">TS</a>]
00:32:40 ◼ ► after you have installed they have an extension so now the the need for 20 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1960">TS</a>]
00:32:47 ◼ ► Mail app is going down as more apps implement these shares sheets that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1967">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► system share she is now you know you can just plug into that from from any at ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► so I can mail to work on web pages but anyway like this she does help it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► but there is this still many things the system including parts of Apple's thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► that will check into the mail out cuz it's like oh you want to send an email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► and you know it just shaded areas is more democratic process that's true if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► only you would remember without a drag the icon says on the video to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► here's the thing about that the whole like it doesn't take much to make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► give up trying to arrange like you know those special things good springboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:31 ◼ ► into remember where you put your icons and no one would arrange their homes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2011">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► it does so you do care she was supposed to remember where you put things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:38 ◼ ► everyone drag them around when they first got the ability to do it and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2018">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► realize it doesn't keep track of what you doing them to everyone just gave up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► and I haven't tried it again either I have just given up right and so maybe 19 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► comes out and give it one more try but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► it it's very easy to be discouraged like I spent time thinking about what should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► be the first second and third one of this year's sheet and then I realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:56 ◼ ► the next time it comes up it scramble to get I'm not I'm never gonna try like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► yeah they tell us about trim finally our first real follow of topic why does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► take so long and landmark about things and that's what happens if Eric Gordon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► said to tell us about trimming I sees it as another way that as these can deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:19 ◼ ► with not knowing which space has been freed up and knowing what things can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2059">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► raised and that's over preside over a provisioning over four innings something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:28 ◼ ► I think I was due to some degree when you buy a system like 500 gigs you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2068">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► get a bunch of chips in there that are 500 gigs you get more than that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► her variety of reasons one the cells were out of use them alot so you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► some extras leftover occurs when you wear out a section of them are able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► or now but I can have these new ones here that are fresh and the part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► farmers are doing is we're leveling try to wear them out evenly or whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► the other thing you can do with our prison especially if it's massively over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► president like 20 or 30 percent over provisionally the clinical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► enterprise-class SSDs are in the you can use that empty space and then when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:01 ◼ ► drive is idle you can just sort of shift things around and compact them and as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2101">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► shift things around compaq's on make larger regions where the world knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► that there's nothing because it has moved everything from the space into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2109">TS</a>]
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00:46:49 ◼ ► sense because my prediction is there will be another fairly long gap before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:54 ◼ ► this is updated again so it's like this is a product line we're gonna have we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2814">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► think it's important to have this product line let's give it the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► longevity possible by sticking essentially last generation chip I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► it's the current one now but I guess that market like the new the new phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► coming with a nine everything this is kind of like oK we've ramped up on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:12 ◼ ► aid enough that we're not supply constraint for a proxy really care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2832">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► is another a leftover for the amount of iPod is going to sound pretty similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► flagships are going to be a nine anyway so let's give us an 88 that will give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► the most possible longevity so we don't have to revise it next year they put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► a seven and it would be aging much more rapidly the aid is a big bump up in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► maybe gives an extra year next year if you can like let it sit there cause I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► don't think it's important as important to be updated every single year given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► sales volume and it's kind of place in the lineup right and so and that's how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:44 ◼ ► think if you think back to why is this product still exists but wasn't updated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2864">TS</a>]
00:47:49 ◼ ► for three years and I think there's a couple of potential reasons for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2869">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► number one what you said it really does not sell very well relative to mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► it's a decent business in it's it's it's like the same thing where people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► well if you look at the iPad by itself it's bigger than me down for whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► it's a good business in isolation but compared to Apple's overall business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► it's a very tiny part of it and so that end and even know compared to Iowa's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:13 ◼ ► user I was using numbers like I know it with my appt the usage numbers of iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2893">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► touches are just vanishingly small compared to all the iPhones it it almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► no one use an iPod Touch for my at and and I think most developing talk to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► to its a very similar things now of course it does tend to skew younger kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► get them so maybe maybe if you have a team that appeals to kids maybe your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► number to be different but for the most part it does not sell in large volumes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:39 ◼ ► relative to iPhones and iPads and I think another part of me do I they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2919">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► gonna let it languish for a while and maybe why the six was cancelled the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► iPhone iPod Touch come along maybe it was cancelled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► if it existed I think maybe they were trying to see if they could move this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► system and/or this role in the lineup to the iPad Mini is if you think about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► what the iPod Touch is for an iOS device for people who don't have or can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► or just whatever reason are not going to get and I thought and when it was when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► it was launched there is no iPad now or you know once I'm out that it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► clear that you know a lot of people who would buy an iPod Touch especially young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► people buying it for kids a lot of that music is moving towards iPads especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:29 ◼ ► for things like games and I think I think what we've seen over the last few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2969">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► years as the iPad kind of petering out or at least leveling off to some degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► there and the iPod Touch is still very hot for for that use of kids games and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► developers test devices to fight that it's very useful for that and and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:48 ◼ ► think maybe maybe they were trying to see if the iPAQ ticket over energy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2988">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► just didn't pan out that way you know I was thinking is you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:57 ◼ ► especially when you said that none of your users are on iPod Touches I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/2997">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► that seems crazy because of kids like you were saying and I was just thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:07 ◼ ► about it in I haven't been like chronicling this in my head because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3007">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► hadn't really been thinking about it until today but as I reflect on going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► out to eat a regular restaurant panera bread or just going about my day outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► of work on the weekends whatever I'm thinking back to water kids using when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► their parents just want them to shut up and let let let mom and daddy and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► recollection there either using their parents phones or they're using iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► that seem to be dedicated for kid use in so I think you're onto something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► that may be interesting question why did Apple not really care for what was a two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► years three years how long was it three why did Apple not care for three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► which by the way isn't seen but anyway maybe that's because to your point Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:57 ◼ ► nobody's really buying these if they want something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3057">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► a portable kid device just like you said they're getting an iPad Mini and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► certainly my reflection on what I see day today is that they're buying iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► Mini's that's one reason why and why they might have done this now as opposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► to any other time another big reason they also recently quietly killed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► original iPad Mini that use the A five CPU so this the iPod touch was the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► day 5 iOS device Apple TVs that's kind of a different story but this this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► last a five base iOS device that was for sale and now they have no Mori five left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:33 ◼ ► there also now all 64 bit once the 25 C falls off the right upright as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3093">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► five-piece 11 sold as is the free one right now I thought so that the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► everything about this VAT probably had to make this harder anyway if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► going to make a sixty in the same form factors in five see this is basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► exactly and so you know they're gonna they're gonna have some economies of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► scale here even though this is a way smaller scale than e60 will likely sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3114">TS</a>]
00:51:58 ◼ ► but assuming they have a sexy it will have basically this I i've been at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3118">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► scene cuts just you know with the phone hardware added to it and if they can if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► they've managed to squeeze it into a $200 product here getting a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► more hardware for the phone features and maybe a slightly better camera into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► six see which might even have this ice cream we don't even know that that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► be a nice higher margin product to keep their margins up while still being able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► to be the cheap phone the lineup and they would have no they'd have fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► parts they're being manufactured together so that it would be a net win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► operationally and profit wise almost certainly as well but also software wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► they want to go all 64 bit I i am guessing that iOS 10 does not support 32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► bit operating system or 30 minutes of use is a requirement for like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► to upload a 64 bit for some thing what is the one of the carrot they were dying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► for their the stick you have to have a 64 bit binary for any Submission after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:00 ◼ ► like this past January something it was it was it was awhile ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3180">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► now but you can stop at 32 bit yes but also this year you can now if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:08 ◼ ► to you can now ship only 64 bit for the first time I believe that the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3188">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► you can do that we're now you can say you know what now my Apple devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► before you could not do that and so now they're going to have their gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► the whole lineup as far as I know it's a definite the five-seat but once the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► fights he's gone that know how the whole lineup now running 64 bit chips that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► also can run nettle so this is all what they did to the Mac moving much softer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► metal for El Capitan they can I do that so I S next year with iOS 10 and moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:42 ◼ ► stuff to requiring medal and if they if they just don't have any devices the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3222">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► can't run metal they can they can do that so that can be power savings next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► year the performance increases so there's a whole bunch of reasons to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► this and all of this is predicated on the entire currently active for sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► line-up having 64 bit chips that can run metal did they say at this year's WTC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► that in either 10 or iOS that coordination is now running on metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► yeah I think they've already I think they're already doing the thing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► like if metal is available they have a dual code path for a lot of the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► even I was not aware of metal is available they will use it if not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► they'll fall back to the other way I don't know if it's pervasive in mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► Parker said this is a big win to be out of like not even supporting other code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► Pathak if you could just say okay well I was ten you know is metal everywhere it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► doesn't support OpenGL doesn't mean it doesn't run on devices that couldn't run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► will it'll be interesting though also to see if they go this way if if iOS tennis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► 64 bit only is there still the ability to run applications that have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► updated since this requirement that are only 32 bit because right now with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► way the way the phone works now is if you run an app that does not have a 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:58 ◼ ► bit version of its binary which basically means it hasn't updated since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3298">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► this past January or earlier and the developer was really responsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► like the year before that if you if you have an appt is only 32 bit binary the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► system has two little bit frameworks into memory just for that having won 32 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► after running has an abnormally large costs associated with it for resource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► whereas if all your apps are 64 bit and there are no 32 bit apps loaded you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► save that giant chunk of memory and whatever performance and battery cost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► comes it that you know what to do to help that as a parameter overtime over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► like a multi-year period that the number could change anyway totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► time scales so yeah right anyway so so now you know if they go 64 bit only with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► iOS 10 it would this be the first time that they would actually cut off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► compatibility with running old apt to you can have an admitted it since 2008 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3353">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► you can still run that an iPhone six-plus today it won't look very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► but it will run and part of the App Store's appeal on paper at least is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► has this giant library about and I'm sure lots of people myself included I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► still very occasionally need to use some kind of obscure ancient app that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:21 ◼ ► in its giant under me on the current phones and has the iOS 6 keyboard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3381">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► everything that in forever if you lose the ability to run all those little kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:29 ◼ ► of her do you think they do that maybe not next year but like if only to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3389">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► have to support like the the old arm 7 instructions and to be able to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► you know or all 7s in seven cure they they come up with next liked it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► able to you know like an inspiring some right the little arm for like the tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► one like wasn't like to the original iPhone was there to instruction set so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:54 ◼ ► you can use like they would have loved that so it's like you know it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3414">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► don't do it eventually I was 10 might be like a nice round number turning point I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► feel like it'll be two more years before they pull the trigger on that but who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► knows Apple you know one or two years i think is a reasonable time frame for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► them deciding to can all those ancient apps that have been updated because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► really like they've had time it's like it's kind of like the whole 30 pin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► connector thing like where anyone anyone complain about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► like you know they kept that connector for almost a decade I think yeah that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► time like you know I know it might seem like well may have been a decade but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► just got my iPad last year and about all these cables and sometimes someone buys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► it just the transition that's a bummer for you but in the grand scheme of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► things if you're if you're saying bye mary has been running since day one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► the App Store and iOS 2.0 I think it's ok now for us to say okay well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:46 ◼ ► didn't updated in how many years it's been six years since they are seven yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3466">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► yeah that's that is that is that is a reasonable windows like its aided this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► year or next year I would not be surprised to see them doing that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► they'll do it basically in line with like when when do we have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► system-on-a-chip design that reaps the benefits and grabbing all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:07 ◼ ► instructions that's that's what I'm alive and well any other thoughts on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3487">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► touch yeah they unlike the poor suckers you get phones if you get an iPod touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:16 ◼ ► you can pick from 16 32 64 and 128 still the same crazy price range between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3496">TS</a>]
00:58:22 ◼ ► but whatever 10 30 50 bucks more so they actually like the inserted 32 where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3502">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► would go in the phone pressing it was there so you have 16 as the base 64 $400 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► more in the middle of thirty to fifty dollars more I know but it's like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► do the actual cars like how much this much less memory actually cost like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/3516">TS</a>]
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01:10:02 ◼ ► guess so it's just more of the same in different colors I think it's still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► good idea to sell these products new cars is a way to get more people to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► them it's another sort of started products like a little kid once listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► to music on a walk when are you gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:18 ◼ ► by the model iPod a little cheap iPod you don't care too much if they send it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4218">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► through the laundry or story especially like a shuttle to like 50 bucks or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► whatever it's going to these products and wound up I think of all of the iPod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:30 ◼ ► nanos and shuffles ever made these are not the best versions yeah I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4230">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► agree what's interesting though is that these are officially like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► updated and quotes but they can't use Apple music tracks like if you download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► music so anything that music is DRM deux and it's kind of time bombs so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:51 ◼ ► aren't supposed to play music tracks if you end your subscription to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4251">TS</a>]
01:10:55 ◼ ► music iPods I I guess they just decided to the DRAM like they can't really they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4255">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► can't really guarantee that an iPod will have its clock set properly or that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► it'll really ever check in once its eight-year anything that so do they even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► have clocks like they don't have wireless like what they have radios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► everybody's basically they can validate the files like if you if you got your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► Apple music files on your iPod Nano they were they would either never play which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► is the current up or play forever because as long as you just plug your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► iPod Nano in dating those the basis of the only choices so I don't get a chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► to surrender out about this whole thing I guess it's not surprising that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► you're you know streaming file that rely on you having a prescription cannot go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► on devices that can confirm that you have a subscription these things have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► way to tell if you have a subscription and they could have updated them to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► about them too but that would have been I guess more time and effort and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:49 ◼ ► technology and software that they're willing to invest in this product line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4309">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► and it and if group is right that like the recent the reason the the Nano still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► has the iOS 6 look to its fake iOS UI growers sources say that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► literally nobody left the team with the team that did that was pushed for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:09 ◼ ► watch team as it is basically there's nobody who can work on it right now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4329">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► that sounds plausible and you know imagine if you if you work at Apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:18 ◼ ► you do you really want the job of updating the iPod Nano software every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4338">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► three years to look more like fake iOS app that's probably not a great thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► differences they know that if you have trusted time of the device that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► still use that in there be you know if you tried to reset the time it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► invalidate things and so on and so forth the dogs that I would assume require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► investment in and software at very least and possibly also harbor that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► exist and so they're not gonna do that investment that you know they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► going to add a way for these devices to know maybe they may be saying they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► already have this feature it just seems like any kind of investment in changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:53 ◼ ► the feature set of these products was just not in the cards this revision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4373">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► changing the color is this something that you just doing manufacturing done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4376">TS</a>]
01:12:59 ◼ ► and done so the iPod Nano is 250 bucks 16 pics for 50 bucks more you get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4379">TS</a>]
01:13:07 ◼ ► iPod touch now granted as a larger device but otherwise like why does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4387">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► Nano still exist why would anybody get the Nano 450 bucks if for 50 bucks more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:20 ◼ ► you can get the same capacity in a full blown pretty good iOS device smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4400">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► lighter simpler has an FM radio I mean you know it's not a big areas not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:31 ◼ ► growth market but the shuttle I'm assuming you're excluding the shuttle so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4411">TS</a>]
01:13:36 ◼ ► damn small that if you want something like microscopic and weighs nothing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4416">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► is your only option the shuffle sucks but the trouble has always sucked I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► iphone multiple shuffles my life they've all sucked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► it's it's a terrible device it is awful I like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► sticking gum on the original owner it's too big still yeah they're all yes I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► to come on I was not one of them I'm said that one broke as I love that while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► there was a very clever design I mean obviously it's way too big by modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► standards but back then like I really like a design I like the fact that hello [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:06 ◼ ► you want on your neck I like the little stick of gum thing and it was nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4446">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► light way I like the shuttle before they pulled in the margins and so rapid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:16 ◼ ► shuffle more tightly around the circular control because that would have a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4456">TS</a>]
01:14:19 ◼ ► for you to put your fingers to open the little jumper like the little clamp on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4459">TS</a>]
01:14:23 ◼ ► the back without accidentally hitting the previous track button button you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4463">TS</a>]
01:14:27 ◼ ► know this one is just too small to do anything with that circular by number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4467">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► the shuttle's never really been great but it does have the advantage that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► the one that was like the Trident gum that no buttons on it yet that was short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► lived for good reason those were the days I I was a lot of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:44 ◼ ► innovation and I guess how small we can make this is just kinda sad to see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4484">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► not you know like this is dead this little square the clip onto things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► anyways I'm that bad but it's one of the Nano exists I think it is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► enough you know i think is differentiated differentiate from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► shuttle having a screen and a place where you can do stuff and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:01 ◼ ► differentiated phenotype awed by being I think from the perspective of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4501">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► want to jog with it or something the Nano is the size that you could like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► need you wouldn't notice it still I think below the threshold of of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:14 ◼ ► even if not so much from weight but just like having a big playing cards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4514">TS</a>]
01:15:18 ◼ ► sidestepping like strapped to her body somewhere where the Nano [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4518">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► i think is down in the range of you know more towards a shovel and of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:27 ◼ ► where you can find someplace and addressed to shove it you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4527">TS</a>]
01:15:30 ◼ ► buy a dedicated case for it I would imagine that maybe the shuffle to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4530">TS</a>]
01:15:35 ◼ ► the I'm going to do some sort of aggressive working out with this and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4535">TS</a>]
01:15:40 ◼ ► don't want to break any other device and if I do you break this nothing to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4540">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► earth the Nano though I agree with you guys it's kind of a weird gray area and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► the only thing I can think of is what if it's for a kid who doesn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:54 ◼ ► isn't a surly old enough to be able to handle or maybe you don't want them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4554">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► handle a full on iOS device but they are like the iPod Touch but maybe this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:04 ◼ ► sort of a half way that's more interesting and allows you afford you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4564">TS</a>]
01:16:09 ◼ ► some amount of control yet is still not a full on iPod touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4569">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► keep the cut off internet basically they want to listen to music is keeping his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:19 ◼ ► parents delay facing the inevitable which is how do I handle my child who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4579">TS</a>]
01:16:25 ◼ ► let's push to offer a couple more years right although they saw the video of mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4585">TS</a>]
01:16:31 ◼ ► can you put this music on my iPod police say they have no way to get music on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4591">TS</a>]
01:16:34 ◼ ► without you know the MSG was honestly do kids still care about music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4594">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► yeah I didn't know because it seems like music is very generational but also that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:49 ◼ ► in recent generations we're actually like even more away from it if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4609">TS</a>]
01:16:53 ◼ ► makes sense like we're like music is becoming less important as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4613">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► generational cultural entertainment media I guess I don't think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► same like my you know they they your kids one day will come home and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:07 ◼ ► will know a pop song that you've never played or heard of and they know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4627">TS</a>]
01:17:10 ◼ ► words to it like how did this happen is they have you know they they find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4630">TS</a>]
01:17:18 ◼ ► about music they get interested in music they eventually have demands for songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4638">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► that they want on their iPods and yeah it's not fair enough thanks let two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► Squarespace a clue and mail route and we will see you next week now the show they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► because it was accidental and a team markle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4672">TS</a>]
01:18:35 ◼ ► what's going on overcast these days even heard much about it man I i mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4715">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► working my butt off on a base I couple hours a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► yeah pretty much I am working on a big 2.0 and I am still i mean i times it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► not news I'm working on 2.0 for me 2.0 will have a few big new features but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4735">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► it's mostly about continuing down all the all the different parts like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► week I was working on general please the downloader as usual really so I finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:17 ◼ ► figured out that there's one of the problems that you'll keep reporting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4757">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► me is that storage using just seems to just keep growing over time for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4760">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► given installation its temp files that are created by the background download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► system another process and iOS which I hate with a passion there there are temp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:36 ◼ ► files at that generates and if the download is interrupted for a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4776">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► like it if you force quit the app or if the app crashes or sometimes even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► if the download fails an entry tries again it's creating a new filing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► starting over again and the old file YouTube and it is just like the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► tempfile where it was down to earth partially downloaded to is never delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► it and I I actually discovered his behavior months ago and I i issue to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► back then basically scan for these temp files and any any temp file that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► above a certain age that hadn't been touched for a couple days or something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► would delete that cause lots of problems that caused the download system does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► expect is filed under from under its health and also down at the design doc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► medication they are really pleased to know about inside the box they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► recently moved that location to a different location that's the problem so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► now all of a sudden I thought I had this problem to control and that people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► saying oh it's you know all the species it's mostly because of that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► they've moved location is files so now I'm so I'm scanning the old directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► not the new one and so I have to go look at that again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► and you know obviously changed where it's leading but also than a test to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:51 ◼ ► make sure it's not messing up too badly when it does the lead them to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4851">TS</a>]
01:20:54 ◼ ► that the downloader doesn't then have weird behavior or crash when it finds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4854">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► its files are gone it's a whole ordeal the background on system is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► incredibly unreliable for me I know that some developer seem to have good luck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► with it I it has been in simi unreliable for me and all my years ago but so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► you download more things and i think probably for more creaky servers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► you because you know tons of things are downloading all time of application and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► I've seen lots of really slow downloads however people are hosting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► products so it's a formula texas-size a downloader but if everything is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► caches folder like there are jobs I assume they're wondering that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:36 ◼ ► wandering your iOS like purging the cache folder when you understood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4896">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► discretion to there's no there's nothing you can do is an app developer to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► say hey system if you would like to come by and reclaim space from my caches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► folder please do that now I don't think you can trigger it automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► triggers when the spaces actually filling and then that's when if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► you were spotted an app that says that were the icon is deemed out for a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► and under a diff place this high with the word cleaning dot dot dot that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► what it's doing is it's it's the leading all the cash temporary files from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► same box in order to leave this place so I'm working on stuff like that also I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► overhauled the artwork system because it was not only buggy but it was causing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► bad schooling performance on the neon the main list of episodes that everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► was complaining about and they were right so I thinks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► a couple of sources of common crashes on a fixed and most importantly there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► been a bug for months literally like since I think february 24 months where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► you would occasionally if you if you manually reorder to playlist sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► that ordering would be reset back to the default ordering a letter that playlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► is what you know whatever the sort method is for it so your custom ordering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► would be lost and disk drives people crazy understandably drives me crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► happen to me to address me crazy because it is kind of a forum data loss it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4975">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► really annoying it's like you know i IR is a certain way and now just undid it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► and this took me months to find this bug and it turns out to be a concurrency bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► in the way so basically getting into the weeds for a brief minute here overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► data storage layer is built on a library that I've heard that open source code F [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► C model and it's basically a little a little model layer between sequel light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► and you and so it's not it does not use core data it uses that same model which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► replaces quartet in in this in the role here and the initial design of St model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► instances of of your models and memory were unique so that if you requested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► PostID one from one thread and it's another thread also requested PostID one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► if if the first one was still a memory the second member just getting to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:51 ◼ ► point of the same object so that there was only one posted I D one in memory at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5031">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► any given time so if you've modified that it would be the same with between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► all the places that was being accessed like this if you modify the value and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► didn't see it yet you would get that from everywhere in practice that caused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► a bunch of weird concurrency issues and weird potential bugs we are actual bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:17 ◼ ► so this past February I switched it so that if you request I D 14 months rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5057">TS</a>]
01:24:23 ◼ ► than from somewhere else does not separate copies and so all rights where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5063">TS</a>]
01:24:28 ◼ ► do we get done separately and there were some things in place to make sure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5068">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► wouldn't get stale data here and there and everything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► basically exchange without worked and that has for the most part it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:41 ◼ ► cause any problems and solve the problems unfortunately the planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5081">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► reordering bug is caused by this and I haven't quite nail down the details yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► it's it's taken me months to have this happen in a debugger once that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► worst yeah you know it is weird like concurrency related bug and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5097">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► hard to reproduce and i've i've asked you before months like if you find a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► to reliably reproduce this please tell me some sleep calls now that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► they're pretty sure that you know it has been confirmed by the Friends of sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► calls to to induce the race was the one time I caught in the debugger I i cant i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► I got a pretty good idea that was due to this new to this model being unique in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► memory kind of thing pretty sure was from that anyway so now I have I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► different branch IFSC model now called unique to that goes back to the unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► in memory model system is optimistic locking with the the woman than a unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:41 ◼ ► I don't think it is but it's like a virgin everything enemy go to the update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5141">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► you said you deserve day but only the update if the version is the version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► that was when I read it and if it's not then you know you have a conflict you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► know you've lost a race then you have to resolve it and some of its like instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:57 ◼ ► of checking everything along with two guys gotta think one guy's gonna write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5157">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► first and if you're not the guy who had to write first when you write your thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► you could be overriding other guys changes so you do this I mean it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:05 ◼ ► single thing like they've all while we're about a block and ideals all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5165">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► applaud you CBC zorz update you like oh actually I thought I read and then wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:13 ◼ ► it backwards someone else wrote back so I have to reread incorporate those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5173">TS</a>]
01:26:16 ◼ ► changes or I can write back it's just you know like or the brain Simmons read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5176">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► and only to update them out of her missing threat right well so database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► access has always been serialized on 21 threat you could use you could read them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:29 ◼ ► anywhere but it was all beings heroes behind the scenes on a serial key oh so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5189">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► you couldn't actually be doing simultaneous real reason rights but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► could like you know about the things that weren't quite say that have changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► under UN everything and then I i i did a few months back I did changes so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► rights for all being done inside serial blocks to so that rather than saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► know model . name was Bob model safe instead of that you would say model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► reload and save in this block and then the block you would say name eagleberger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5216">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► and so those Rossi rise as well so that way and and it was literally every load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► and save like you would first do a select then do your changes then save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► alternately on a serious threat so it should solve that problem and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:15 ◼ ► it's all there in lots of places but I guess for something was still happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5235">TS</a>]
01:27:20 ◼ ► that it wasn't quite getting it everywhere so the new system the unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5240">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► to also does the Brent Simmons think we're now it's all just happening on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► name threat and for a while I thought there is no way I should have did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:34 ◼ ► know database down the main thread that will cause you I performance problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5254">TS</a>]
01:27:38 ◼ ► and everything and I have such a big data bases for some users there's no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5258">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► I can afford that so I could never tried it and then last week I tried it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► turns out it's fine and there are so many problems it solves having all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► stuff on the main thread first of all fast enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► doesn't matter at all second of all lots of places where there was you I lag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5276">TS</a>]
01:28:00 ◼ ► before from block 9 database on a massive aid operation like that like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5280">TS</a>]
01:28:04 ◼ ► initial sync lot of times you know you think you're uploading it to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► background thread in the background thread triggers an update that post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► notification and the UI says oh the data change I have to reload the data to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► my UI so then is blocking the is blocking the UI anyway while waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► that reload come through so it turns out the whole idea of getting these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► operations off the main threat in practice usually didn't solve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► problem because usually the you I was still blocked waiting for the database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► threat to finish what it was doing anyway so once you move things to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► main thread all the data stuff then it like it home I got it becomes so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► simpler once again Brent Simmons is right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► he's really usually right and so with this like if you make a change on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► what happens with so many changes to the site is is the UI respond to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► notification and does something update something that's happened to me in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:07 ◼ ► thread it removes so many like dispatch chasing calls and so many you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5347">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► many potential deadlocks well the database did this now a bit of a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► other than the UN calls in database again there so it's a solve so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► problems so anyway this is very long and boring but that is why I double the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► pleasure during bug happened I'd made that change a week ago in development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:30 ◼ ► and used to hit me every few days it hasn't hit me want sets so I'm pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5370">TS</a>]
01:29:35 ◼ ► sure I got it and it sure looks like the rest of the app still works fine but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5375">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► reserving saying definitively but it sure looks like I'm not having any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► problems I think ask you about this before but now it's even more relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► if you doing today there is access on the main threat to you used any of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► people I pragmatist to fiddle with the defaults to make it faster I do yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► that I I started doing that about six months ago the return of the synchronous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► thing when we see the thing that makes it like it i think is like a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5401">TS</a>]
01:30:05 ◼ ► serious inflation today before you're done turning it off thats like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5405">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► yep no I'm totally done when really it isn't like because we're using flash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► like I mean that's the risk you are that's like the dangerous one and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► guess text or memory instead of time to start discord over it sometimes make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:20 ◼ ► big difference used to make a big difference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5420">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► back I was screaming with delight and someone's hearing on the main threat it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:25 ◼ ► probably worthwhile to revisit the pragma page and see if there's anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5425">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► else you can tweak I would probably not recommend the synchronous 1 2012 corrupt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► your database because then you're SOL but I am doing synchronous off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► general motors Journal mode memory there you go live in the live in the dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► life I mean I guess power failures like good just that's it's a battery-powered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► device that can get unplugged I guess but you know well and also this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► data that this is basically an offline cache of something that's the web so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► know if if local database gets corrupted somehow looks very unlikely but if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► gets corrupted and it can't be opened then it just redownload from the web so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► it's like it's not I'm not losing meaningful user data here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► journals the occasion that you had for fiddling with secret light out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► curiosity about the visions database backup applications in the database that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:17 ◼ ► backs them as in all sorts of things at various times too polite and I envy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5477">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► know if you just doing something you don't want to do database stuff with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:26 ◼ ► especially in languages that have sort of a uniform interface to any database [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5486">TS</a>]
01:31:30 ◼ ► is just a question of picking the driver like pearl doesn't like any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5490">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► languages do you like well a prototype of physical like thinking about starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:37 ◼ ► a server and all that crap be just you know it's just convenient I mean how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5497">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► even if just to see the light you know any memory database like it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► way to describe something it doesn't matter if I would kiss you just tell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdTPscaM/5505">TS</a>]