00:00:00 ◼ ► how do you pronounce STA HP wow that's a word yesterday as well not really but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/0">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► it's what the kids say when they really want you to stop doing some visits tap I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/6">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► guess tap I don't know what might that I don't know I'm gonna go with staff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/10">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► maybe maybe like the the Great Lakes accent staff yes because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/16">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► this podcast needs is more talk about regional accents yes definitely I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/21">TS</a>]
00:00:26 ◼ ► actually got called out of work today in a happy way some co-worker asked me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/26">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► coworker that I just started working life asked me if I was from Jersey well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/32">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► that part wasn't happy at all that was miserable but but point being I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/35">TS</a>]
00:00:40 ◼ ► mash on something as until like it emphatically or repeatedly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/40">TS</a>]
00:00:45 ◼ ► apparently that's a northeastern thing or so I'm told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/45">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► well that's a drink in Great Britain smoke sure whatever that was squash that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/48">TS</a>]
00:00:53 ◼ ► you're thinking of squash so so Def's when she heard that she said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/53">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► probably like getting like frozen fruit concentrate here if the fruit juice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/61">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► concentrate I think that's correct from the most I can piece together but as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/64">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► talked about on the last episode of analog I emergency I sent an emergency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/69">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► tax to underscore David Smith the internets arbiter of all things UK vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/74">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► American and also the internets historian and he indicated to me that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/79">TS</a>]
00:01:25 ◼ ► do not have anything that's really equipment to squash but we have things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/85">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► that have that name but it's different like football but we have that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/89">TS</a>]
00:01:32 ◼ ► that's not what you think it is it's either football or vegetable yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/92">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► so anyway I was asking you what's going on with cellular downloads on overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/98">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► and in this is ok because I see in the show notes it says pre follow-up market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/103">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► stocks I do not type at this time I don't know who did clearly it was John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/108">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► just keep adding sections but about pre preval will get there maybe next episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/113">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► what happens if the pre follow-up generates follow-up next episode where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/118">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► do we put it then they get sucked into regular follow it as yet brief follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/123">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► follow-up I don't think so he's getting recursive no I was asking you what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/127">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► going on with your downloads an overcast because he seemed to be stressing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/134">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► well it's you know if this is a constant battle I have with designing overcast is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/138">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► like how to strike the balance between offering settings for customization vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/144">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► complexity of the app because if you look like so many well featured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/152">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► well-regarded podcast apps have just these massive setting screens and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/157">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► not because they're badly designed by idiots it's because it's a hard problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/162">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► and when you make a podcast app everybody asked for all these features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/167">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► and it's really hard to please a large number of people without adding a ton of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/170">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► options and customizations and features I have always tried to differentiate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/175">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► overcast from the other well-established compliance by being simpler in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/180">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► regards its really really hard to keep that up to to manage that is like right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/186">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► now I'm working on version 2.0 one of the big features of to point out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/190">TS</a>]
00:03:14 ◼ ► willing to talk about is streaming I've been working and screaming for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/194">TS</a>]
00:03:19 ◼ ► couple times in various after shows it does finally work it is working I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/199">TS</a>]
00:03:24 ◼ ► been using it myself for the last couple weeks ago we like it it works well it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/204">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► solid and it is awesome and to be clear it works with smart see course I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/210">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► that's what I thought just wanna make sure now I have to have to face the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/216">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► other issues of having streaming in the app so there there are certain options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/219">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► that it needs things like you know what do you do when a new episode comes into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/224">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► downloaded automatically there has to be some choice there has to be sure like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/231">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► what do you do if you're playing a playlist and the episode ends and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/237">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► next episode is a streaming episode but you are offline what do you do no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/241">TS</a>]
00:04:07 ◼ ► what you pick your gonna gonna anger some people and you're gonna play some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/247">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► people and it's really hard to know a lot of times ahead of time which one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/252">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► the question I have now is should I permit cellular data usage for his right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/261">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► now I have cellular downloads and so in a world where you at that you have mixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/267">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► streaming and downloads now you have to have a little more control over that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/272">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► it's it's questionable so no question that the thing that I agree on no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/278">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► question is that cellular data not only will be allowed for streaming but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/284">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► will be allowed by default and will be on by default because in the world we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/289">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► live in today I think people widely expect things to just work when you tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/293">TS</a>]
00:04:59 ◼ ► them and lots of other media app stream by default over cellular and don't ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/299">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► you first things like YouTube or most of the streaming music services although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/304">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► think Apple music does not think they've they asked you first but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/308">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► almost all media streaming apps they will just do it if you if you say play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/312">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► this video and you're on cellular in your phone it will just do it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► cellular animal and that's fine you know so no question streaming has to be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/321">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► and it has to be enabled by default over over cellular the problem is there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/325">TS</a>]
00:05:30 ◼ ► lots of these tweets 20 everybody thinks that they have the most advanced world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/330">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► view on this issue and so and of course I'm the stupid Americans I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► what the rest of the road is like so I have heard from about equal numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/340">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► of people saying both in my country we have very bad data plans are you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/345">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► have restrictions and the rest of the world works this way and therefore you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/350">TS</a>]
00:05:54 ◼ ► to have very strong restrictions and I've also heard from other people saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/354">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► well in my country everybody has unlimited data and that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/358">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► world we live in now and so you don't need to even bother with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/361">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► I've heard both ends of a lot but right now I have to cellular options in the ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/364">TS</a>]
00:06:12 ◼ ► and I wish I could get away with just one but right now I have to say that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/372">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► big one the main one is whether I allow background or foreground and whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/376">TS</a>]
00:06:23 ◼ ► when the app downloads full episodes ahead of time already getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/383">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► notification or whatever when it that would split the serbs do you down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/386">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► whole thing over cellular or dua for wifi so that is an option and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/389">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► that option is good that that deserves to stick around because if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/393">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► street and you say I play this right now has an action you're taking your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/398">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► deliberately saying play this episode right now and I i recognizing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/402">TS</a>]
00:06:47 ◼ ► playing a podcast while my phone on its own network this might use data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/407">TS</a>]
00:06:51 ◼ ► you know but if you background download things that just come in like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/411">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► overnight somebody could blow their data cap if released by their favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/415">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► podcast you know maybe to feed messes up and they'd release like 10 new episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/420">TS</a>]
00:07:04 ◼ ► accidentally in the phone downloads 10 things over cellular without them even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/424">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► knowing initiating it so it makes sense to differentiate between automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/426">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► background downloads using it and things that you initiate the user for playback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/431">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► using it so that makes sense you should have an option to disable cellular on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/435">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► background that's fine but then there's an iOS annoyance that I have its I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/440">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► consider it a bug I'm not sure that Apple does for every app that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/447">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► on your phone that uses data at all you can go into settings and you can turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/452">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► off cellular data usage for the appt at the at the iOS level so the app doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/456">TS</a>]
00:07:41 ◼ ► have to have an option for that you can just go on the disabled and many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/461">TS</a>]
00:07:44 ◼ ► do for unlimited plans who really need to watch they're they're so the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/464">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► is in previous versions of iOS you've always had this this so-called reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/470">TS</a>]
00:07:55 ◼ ► ability API it actually has a long CFO network whatever name but it's short and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/475">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► everyone says the reachability API and this is the API the can notify you of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/480">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► changes in Internet connectivity so that you can for instance your app can know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/484">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► whether the connections offline and when it goes back online and you can also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/489">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► tell whether it's online via cellular or wi-fi or neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/493">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► you can make a whole bunch of intelligent decisions and it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/497">TS</a>]
00:08:19 ◼ ► perfect sometimes it isn't that reliable but it's pretty close its pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/499">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► most the time in previous versions before iOS eight if somebody turned off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/502">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► that cellular option for you in system settings so that they say this Afghan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/508">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► your app would see when an API and I online the system would say no you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/513">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► couldn't help us which was on it just seemed like it was offline and so if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/522">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► app tried something it would show that our knowing dialog box that everyone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/528">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► seen that says cellular data is disabled for appname you you can enable it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/532">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► settings and there's no way for a nap to initiate a network connection that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/537">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► not show that box so there's no way that I can say like I'm gonna do a background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/543">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► sync here if it fails the user doesn't even need to know doesn't matter it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/547">TS</a>]
00:09:11 ◼ ► not it's not important or download some artwork for the show that's showing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/551">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► the stable cell if that fails it doesn't matter either just you know you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/555">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► have to alert the user with a modal dialog box saying so they don't offer me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► downloading artwork to show a table so doesn't matter that smart thing to do as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/562">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► a developer in that case was too before you do something optional that the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/567">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► didn't really initiate you know something like a background check reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/572">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► ability and if it says it's offline don't even try and then that dialogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/577">TS</a>]
00:09:41 ◼ ► will never show up because if you don't do that every time somebody goes to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/581">TS</a>]
00:09:45 ◼ ► appetite for us to do background sync and they've disabled cell data for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/585">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► appt the connection bodily failed but also that box in Illinois the crap out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/589">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► of them and so then they will write you saying why does your app keeps showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/592">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► this box if they don't know if it's a system box you have any control over so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/596">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► that's that's bad anyway with iOS ate there is what I consider a bug which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/599">TS</a>]
00:10:05 ◼ ► if someone has disabled cellular data for your app in iOS settings reach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/605">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► ability API will tell you that you are online it will not say you're offline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/610">TS</a>]
00:10:15 ◼ ► anymore so that you have no way to tell whether you are online unrestricted or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/615">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► whether you are online but was celebrated disabled and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/621">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► you can't avoid making those requests and you also still can't make a request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/625">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► that's marked as some kind of option also doesn't get a dialog box so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/631">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► therefore if someone disables that for your appt and you try to make connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/635">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► it will shut up box every time or at least like you know once every 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/640">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► minutes or whatever the intent of throwing on citizenship and constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/643">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► but it still shows them enough that it annoys people in the email so in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► to the 22 work around this slightly I I had to add the second option called sync [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/650">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► over cellular that's it picky details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/657">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► settings level is very very other options and the reason why this is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/660">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► is not to let people save data because it doesn't say that Makita its to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/665">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► people avoid that dialog box if they disabled cell data from my whole apt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/669">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► because it with that if you trigger that option then I won't even attempt to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/673">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► those connections over cellular because again I can't distinguish between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/678">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► cellular the time allowed to use and so and so they're not allowed these so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/681">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► setting that's what that whole thing is for it to work around this giant bug in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/686">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► iOS aid that i think is still there in nineteen you know how to do some tests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/690">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► maybe I really hoping I fixed it but I don't think it did but I'll double check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► before next weekend before next week's show and report back because if if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/698">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► fixes I can remove option and that that we also anyway for the look very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/705">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► winded thing here anyway so now faced with the question of of adding streaming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/710">TS</a>]
00:11:57 ◼ ► to dissident and having spent of solar controller streaming do I have 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/717">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► cellular data options that's terrible I have to give me a whole separate screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/721">TS</a>]
00:12:07 ◼ ► for them and explain its I mean I will if I have to but that sounds terrible or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/727">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► my best idea so far is to keep the two options I have now and just attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/732">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► streaming to the second one so that the background download still separately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/738">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► controllable is that something I can see somebody wanting to do background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/742">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► download only when their MiFi but be willing to stream wherever they are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/746">TS</a>]
00:12:30 ◼ ► actually asked for it the second option rather than calling it sink over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/750">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► cellular rename it to stream and sync over cellular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/754">TS</a>]
00:12:39 ◼ ► that makes sense that this is very long very boring this is that although that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/759">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► does make sense I would probably agree with you that think over cellular could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/763">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► becomes stream in sync over study where I know it's interesting because I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/769">TS</a>]
00:12:56 ◼ ► an unlimited data plan from AT&T my iphone have gotten grandfathered in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/776">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► I'm never had a terribly compelling reason reason to walk away from it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/780">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► know that I could probably save a few bucks a month if I didn't keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/784">TS</a>]
00:13:08 ◼ ► anymore but whatever it is what it is however on my iPad as I've said numerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/788">TS</a>]
00:13:13 ◼ ► times in the past I have the 300 makes a month from t-mobile and that's typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/793">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► how I use cellular on my iPad if I'm going to use it at all and occasionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/799">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► all on vacation for example actually pay for a few gigs for that month or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/805">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► whatever but generally speaking I just live on the 220 a month and so I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/810">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► gone in on my iPad and turned off cellular data at the Iowa State level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/815">TS</a>]
00:13:39 ◼ ► pretty much everywhere and I can assure you that if I saw that dialog all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/819">TS</a>]
00:13:45 ◼ ► time when using overcast are driving not so I think you need to stick around with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/825">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► Nikki detailed version and I see no reason not to put sink in their excuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/828">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► me a stream in there especially since anytime you're streaming from what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/834">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► have gathered from you any single time you're streaming like you've said a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/838">TS</a>]
00:14:02 ◼ ► couple times it's based on user action so at that point I should know what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/842">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► doing and I should know no matter how advanced user I am if I'm trying to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/847">TS</a>]
00:14:12 ◼ ► a podcast that is not on my device it's gonna have to come from somewhere and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/852">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► I'm not on wifi if I'm not on the fan jokingly called around these parts then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/856">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► I know that it's gonna have to go via cellular and I should be able to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/862">TS</a>]
00:14:28 ◼ ► that out so I think you've got the right approach medicare is here with john has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/868">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► failed and there is one little complexity that you said as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/871">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► you're streaming and you always shows that there are scenarios in which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/875">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► so for instance suppose you are on a trip that you know suppose you have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/885">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► set to the new episodes come in in streaming basically you disable auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/892">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► download right so the new episodes coming in March for streaming on me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/897">TS</a>]
00:15:01 ◼ ► they're not automatically download it by default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/901">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► ok so you have it set that way you will listen to a playlist and you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/903">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► downloaded everything on the playlist anyway cuz you're gonna go somewhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/907">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► so you like a lot of want to burn on my data trips on a download everything in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/910">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► advance while you're listening to something and the screen is off a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/914">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► episode comes in its march for streaming by default and it's inserted right after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/918">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► so as you're listening the the episode the two ends it starts up the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/923">TS</a>]
00:15:28 ◼ ► episode which is a streaming-only episode so it is possible for seeming to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/928">TS</a>]
00:15:35 ◼ ► somewhat unexpectedly it's not going to be the common case but it is possible so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/935">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► like the web it just happens to read exactly so you see there there are a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/939">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► of the complexities like a lot of people said you guys probably dialog asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/945">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► people to approve streaming when you're on sailor have an option to that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/950">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► problem is lots of times when when I have to make that decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/953">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► the display of the phone is office in somebody's pocket or in somebody's doc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/958">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► somewhere on in a car in their house and lot of times when you're driving really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/962">TS</a>]
00:16:05 ◼ ► I really shouldn't be asking people to interact with the UI that's dangerous or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/965">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► you know you or your like exercising and it's in your pocket and you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/970">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► it's there's all these situations where I have to make a decision without asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/974">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► the user with a dialog box so I I think the way to do it is to just have it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/980">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► to just never prompt the user for this decision just have a setting that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/986">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► can change either on or off and John what do you have to say about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/990">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► he talked about all these settings makes me think that like the key point here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► not the wrong account of little toggle switches you have in your settings I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/998">TS</a>]
00:16:42 ◼ ► know this sort of you know combinatorial explosion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1002">TS</a>]
00:16:46 ◼ ► possibility bugs of giving the counter under control is a good first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1006">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► approximation of how you should keep from going crazy but for the cellular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► stuff setting aside the bugs which you know what can you do just follow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► radars and keep your fingers crossed the settings did come to mind when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► describing all the functionality that I can imagine users feeling comfortable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► the way of conceptualizing is somewhere in the settings screen there's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► be a list of their split into wifi and cellular just do celular like wi-fi as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► disabling wifi here the things I want this out to be a lot to do in cellular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► as justice it's a fairly long list of things to say yes to that noted that yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► then they get increasingly specific about them you could start for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► future and that's when I hear like stream in sync over cellular to see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► cellular section what amounted to oversell you download new episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► stream episodes that have asked you to stream and download stream episodes they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► come in while this new Potter know what the options are you can you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► through all the possibilities than just because I think that's a lot of options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► and it's like who wants to answer these questions you can accomplish some set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► the false do you think are appropriate for most people don't someone go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► settings I can imagine I'm going down list going yes no no yes and if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► to help them you can't even put like average of X number of megabytes over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► the past month which party will help them initially he can't be populated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► areas you don't know what do you suggest that you click here for everybody but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► after months of usage they can go down that list and sell it was using all my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:12 ◼ ► cell didn't like I want overcast to you know the only guests like what things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1092">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► don't understand is just a couple of Dayton you can see over the past month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► because you allowed to download new episodes over cellular its use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► amount of data right and then they can you know it's just a bunch of us going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► gets no no no yes no I feel like six seven eight nine and ten options in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► type of thing isn't crazy especially look at the actual iOS settings means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:35 ◼ ► they're just a wall tiles which is that people are ok go on who can use location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1115">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► at you like I think that's a reasonable interaction even though it seems really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► complicated if you're going to have this complexity anyway because you've got all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► these conditions in the hood like when do I do so when do I do that and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► gonna pick defaults for them just throw in the switches buried in a section if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► it makes you feel better but I think that is actually the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► straightforward way as long as you sort of organized these fleets of switches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► into logical groups then people feel like they're you know that each one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► because like this topic the topic is not yet rated like this is what overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:13 ◼ ► allowed to do over your cell connection like anyone there in that frame of mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1153">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► I feel like they're in the mode to go down those questions and just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:21 ◼ ► you know give Yes or Nothe rather than just going down it listed options at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1161">TS</a>]
00:19:26 ◼ ► having to reach one and see what topic is what is it discussing whether the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1166">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► decision not to make me go to the next one which is entirely unrelated to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► one talking about what is it discussing you know whatever I don't know why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► maybe I haven't thought of all the options but of all the ones you listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► so far Mike those are all reasonable things that people could conceivably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► want settings for but I think there's no way to to express that in the UI without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► that really big long list of options are going to try to combine them into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► single line enemy gets confusing because it's less clear what's going on you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1195">TS</a>]
00:20:01 ◼ ► like people might want different options for the two things you combine into one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1201">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► of your settings we'll end there's there's more complexity to it than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► look like it it isn't as simple as do i have you know combating to do I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► whole bunch of settings and a big long list is one of the biggest problems is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► it with a big long list there is a cost to having that in the app in in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► like people will see that screen it will confuse them and it will give them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:26 ◼ ► general impression that either this app is too complex for my taste or I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1226">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► understand this and therefore I don't feel good about it and it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► people to be made to feel don't be confused by your burying it you buried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► in the advanced turn it picky or whatever section like I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► anyone's gonna go to Settings period unless the app doesn't do it by default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► so it's all about picking the good to discuss thank you have a good handle on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► what the reasonable defaults are you just want to have a go to section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► them and someone gets in tonight mobile they feel like this happens doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► something that I don't that's why I mentioned the sizes on the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:58 ◼ ► because what they really want is stop using so much of my data and just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1258">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► bunch of switches or even one or two options even if just two options which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► one of those if I change will make it use less of my data that's why stats on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:11 ◼ ► like because this thing has been enabled we have downloaded this number of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1271">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► over your cell connection over this period of time so and even if just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► settings and two numbers and ok well that's the one that using my dad is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:22 ◼ ► internet one friend and I probably its stature tricky because I don't know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1282">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► can really guarantee them like like I think it'd be hard to measure total [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► bytes used accurately there's there's things like redirects and header sizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► and everything that like you know I have to go very low level in the API is to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► able to actually count all of those accurately so like I wouldn't I want I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► don't really want to be in the game of being incredibly specific is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► there's there's some degree of liability there you know maybe not sure legally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► wouldn't cause any problems with it might anger people like if I if I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► something that is wrong so if I say for instance like if I had been the app age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► a big target says all cell data off I don't offer that because I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► guarantee that my Apple use no soda the iOS at the system level option can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► can't because there are things like wk web you and a WebView the tries to load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► images I can't prevent that from hitting the cell network easily I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► guarantee that my Apple use noted so that's why I don't offer that option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► also I don't I don't show the file sizes of the podcasts before their downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► a lot of people request this is the big problem that is it really busy at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:37 ◼ ► we're doing it had requested the files for you downloaded and like right before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1357">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► you download it to really get to really get it accurately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► there is a field for in feed for people to specify that we do in our feed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► that is manually entered by a human being so it is unreliable and is often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:52 ◼ ► absent the only way to do it is to head request and I could do this herbicide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1372">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► for every single thing that's that's complicated and that's also kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1376">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► you know what if one of these things block me that every port 0 for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:04 ◼ ► everything what if my information is out of date rape the first crawl media is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1384">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► just one megabyte because they uploaded on the part of the file and then you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► to download it in two hours later and it's a hundred magazine then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► angry at me as I said only one mag there's like there's all these like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► are complex edge cases that I don't want to make a promise I can't keep them low [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► medium high percentages I'm trying to just be conceptualized this whole so do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► their thing from user's perspective what they're concerned about is you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:35 ◼ ► can get the idea from the settings thing of which apps are using most of my data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1415">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► like Apple provide that but then if they find out okay overcast is a big consumer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► things described a lot of podcasts and the settings that says it does a lot I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► like podcast I don't want to uninstall overcast I want to continue to listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:51 ◼ ► the band now I have to go into overcast so how can I make overcast use less they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1431">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► had another the big giants which is no cell data at all they're going into over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► gas but the mission in the mission is figure out what the thing is I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► flip to make it uses less data and the state you know I'm just anything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/1444">TS</a>]
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00:48:05 ◼ ► done with follow-up really shows out of control it was an hour in a really only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2885">TS</a>]
00:48:12 ◼ ► an hour and we're done with follow-up boy wonder what made that takes on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2892">TS</a>]
00:48:18 ◼ ► god I'm staying out of this so are we talking about the end of tech doctors at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2898">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► all so if not for right now I think of the prefix on I'll fix it so the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► of us in the Senate next week end of tick tock which kinda makes it sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► like Tik Tok is ending next week I could be this is the end of the computer age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► we we might as well to stop the show now because we're all out of control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► John try to bring us back if you please and tell us about tick tock of white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2930">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► sandy I know the one hundred and put in the Genesis partners forget it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► intel has its strategy that they called Tik Tok where they they make a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► microarchitecture and then the next round of chips they offer for sale is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► 2007 intel has been operating on a staggered release schedule that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► alternates manufacturing process shrinks sticks with major micro architectural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:31 ◼ ► me know which is which sometimes they just do a shrink that would be at stake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2971">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► and sometimes they they they changed the microarchitecture thats attack all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:41 ◼ ► how long the voice of reason between the three of us what is going on I can they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2981">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► picked a bad name is the point of the alternate and some of this has been sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► of regular schedule what it meant that every other round of chips you would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► a new process you have 32 nanometer chips and those that of the region enemy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/2995">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► ships and I had to go to the next size smaller but 2828 to this kind of 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► anyway we've had 40 nanometer chips for two generations now and so in theory the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► next round of chips should be there next process eyes which is supposed to be 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:15 ◼ ► but intel's basically said the next round ships will not be 10 then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3015">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► there will be a third round of 40 nanometer chips basically a bigger than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:24 ◼ ► 10 men manufacturing processes not ready so bland also it's worth pointing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3024">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► that the fourteen in me to process it is just barely coming online now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► like it it was also look at that whatever wednesday was the probable a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► much of that or any although much of that was the process the process of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:44 ◼ ► being so delayed and so they had a huge delay just trying to get this and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3044">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► a bit about a yearly or year and a half lead right yeah it so this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:52 ◼ ► getting out ahead of the next on by saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3052">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► not gonna do it we did it go kind of on schedule but things are kind of late in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► the cum out of whatever it's like look just 10 nanometers is not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► ready but we're also not going to you know delay having a new line of chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► but we are going to make one more rounded tips on 40 nanometers and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:12 ◼ ► had to come up with a new name for them greatly during the names these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3072">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► it's gonna be sky lake and then it was followed by Canon lake so in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► them the third line 40 nanometers things is going to be kab while a candy wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► take a swing at that he be advanced over baby cabey I'm sure it's probably Kb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► anyway that's what they're going to call the third round of 40 nanometer chips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► which is pretty weird as we discussed on previous shows Moore's law can continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► forever because there as far as modern science knows there is the minimum size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► that things can be we're always trying to smash them up into smaller and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► smaller pieces find out what can be smaller but the rules but exchange in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► crazy ways when you get really small so we were not going to double the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► of things we can fit in a unit of space every 18 months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:04 ◼ ► forever and ever this is not mean the end of more than just a slow down I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3124">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► think I'm fine with that I like the fact that Intel's owning up to this rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► than just saying might be a little bit late cause then it just you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► digging into shifting a whole year over and i'm glad that they're going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► another round of 40 nanometer chips rather than just delaying forever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► ever until 10 nanometers ready so well but I mean they basically did that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► has well known as bad weather yet well I'm using one right now if if you bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:38 ◼ ► a Mac in the last couple of years you've gotten has well unless you bought one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3158">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► the 2015 provisions of only the retina MacBook 13 the MacBook Air or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► network won the 15 still using as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► the iMac still has well these the Mac Pro is using the pentium pro I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3175">TS</a>]
00:53:02 ◼ ► everything is is delayed an old because this one was so so delayed like 240 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3182">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► mister delayed and so what Intel did in the last in the last year and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► while Broadwell is being delayed they released a kind of like 1.5 version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► has well you know it's the same core but they just like give us like higher being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► higher clock parts just a kind of Titus over and over their partners like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► they're trying to sell computers around these things and trying to make bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► decisions on these things that's why I'm using a forged her computer right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► because I have heard that it probably I'm sure Apple's margins on the forehead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► gigahertz chips are not that great is the various bidding annual issues that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► are typical business but they had to give us some kind of minor increase like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► our ticket we think we have reached the clocks as much as we can without sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► the process and we'll do something given give people something new to tide them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:58 ◼ ► over while we work out our next revisions delays so they already did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3238">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► third division kind of with as well so what they're basically saying here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► that this is going to happen again this time workers warning you in advance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► giving it a new name and I don't think much is known about the new line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► chips like will it just be like you said just you know that higher bend versions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► of those things that maybe a couple of little errors sticks in them or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► something or will it be you know with a bunt the GPU is actually be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:31 ◼ ► seems like that by giving it a new name and new Lake name that it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3271">TS</a>]
00:54:36 ◼ ► going to be like I 1.5 but it's certainly not going to be a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3276">TS</a>]
00:54:39 ◼ ► architecture a talk radio architecture I guess they're saving that for its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3279">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► like the relationship between Intel roadmap and when Apple releases in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:52 ◼ ► ways it seems like it's tied tightly together like oh that became really some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3292">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► scenes because the Intel doesn't have the chips ready but in other respects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:00 ◼ ► they're totally unrelated see the Mac Pro well no that's not entirely true the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3300">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► Mac Pro is very belated but it's really too busy on road map I know but they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► behind an entire year on the on ships they are but the last revision of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:13 ◼ ► ions was a little bit questionable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3313">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► the problem is that I saw but looking at like you know what you would do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► chips on the Xeon Intel sells most of these things in service and the server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► business is very different from the desktop workstation business at the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► Pro sets in and on servers what you really know what you generally what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► market demands is more and more cores even if each coarseness fast and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► that's why you have most of the online up the ones at least the high ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► sell nicely and have a nice profit margins and have all the PCI Express [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► Lanes everything most of those optimized for core count and have a clock speed of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► like two girls you know that's it you're getting like relatively low clock speeds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► have very high score counts the Mac Pro its users of a very small number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3354">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► these chips it offers 344 them and they're they're like the highest clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► version they can get addicts core count basically without blowing thermals seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► when they moved from the previous ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► pictures anybody P I think into has really happy when he came out sorry for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► the generation that they've skipped they really was not much of a game to be had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► in the areas that the Mac Pro actually sells chips from like in those parts it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► really was it was like they the the core counts went up slightly like you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► ten core and like a 14 or so they were they were like a small core count of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► great but like all the clock speeds went down or hit the same and power was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► little bit weird so it was it was not a great update and so that might have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► why Apple seemingly hasn't and seemingly won't use those I don't know but it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► you know the Mac Pro also has kept generations before this won't be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► first time and so it might also just be partly that that that it wasn't a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3415">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► upgrade from Intel and partly Apple doesn't care that strongly about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► upgrading these on the basis of my good old days when a new jet came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► everybody voted in their machines because you had to be there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► competitive pressure to and for the most part that was a pretty good thing even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:19 ◼ ► if these are not a big upgrade over the old ones especially on things like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3439">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► Mac Pro Mark Morris who cares but like thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:26 ◼ ► that what people are buying this for like that the Super parallel test where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3446">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► extra Corazon be significant difference of all the machines that are actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► gonna care that you have you know 12 vs 10 chorus the Mac Pro is the one the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► tips are saying they didn't have any good GPU option so that would bump the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► historically is not like the play the game and they're like well let me have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► an impressive new machine or not just gonna give you new CPUs except I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► and the laptops where they'll do that as well 1.5 I don't know oh yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► they they i don't i don't know if they've ever skipped bail at a major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► laptop CPU generation until now where they at where they appear to be skipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► quad-core broad wells and going to slightly but I did and this is a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► situation with timing of those things I don't think it ever skip one before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► so what does this mean if hypothetically you have two copies I think it's a late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:20 ◼ ► 2011 high res antiglare 15 inch MacBook Pro and there is not a singular there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3500">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► not one retina Mac in your entire household into thinking you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:30 ◼ ► hold on for the next major MacBook Pro provision or shouldn't say major but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3510">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► know the next big chips at last I heard that was theoretically coming this fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► know is that what they're saying is that the generation of chips that were moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► into the 40 nanometer like this is this is what started with Broadwell this past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► spring with the MacBook one and in the air and then later on the 13 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► generation is the 14 nanometer one and that's like we're just in the infancy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► that there are going to be a fourteen for a while just fine parently you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► a big deal gets nice power savings like I don't think it's the end of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► and it's not you know if you're waiting for a new line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► max the Bible as colic max come out they ought to be pretty nice machines so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► that's not a big deal is just the next year and the year after I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► what the the strategy is for me it's just going to be three years of 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► nanometer chips well I mean we've had what two and a half years of as well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► you know it it hasn't been great but we've been we've been kind of stalled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► performance for a long time but they're still good chips I mean like this I'm at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► this this for gigahertz for core iMac dad is amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► like it is by far the best computer I've ever owned and by far and it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► the fastest I I did briefly have these six core so under Mac Pro and that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3596">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► that was faster in parallel tasks but this actually beaten single threaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► another problem is the online has that the consumer desktop chips because there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:11 ◼ ► are newer in their in their core revision usually be the Mac Pro Z Hons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3611">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► in single-threaded tasks which is embarrassing for the Metro anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► don't think this is going to be that bad of a thing I think it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► really just a continuation of what we've seen for the last few years just now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► again now they're just making it official now they're admitting up front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► ok this is what's going to happen again and we know we'll see what we can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/3633">TS</a>]
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01:25:15 ◼ ► just very aggressive hateful people who feel entitled to have their words all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5115">TS</a>]
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01:25:42 ◼ ► technically not making money off of the valujet subsidizing with the other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5142">TS</a>]
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01:25:50 ◼ ► why you bending over backwards to make sure these people have a place to share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5150">TS</a>]
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01:26:02 ◼ ► effects of allowing a place for people to reinforce each other's hateful ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5162">TS</a>]
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01:26:14 ◼ ► of people talking to each other constantly over and over again in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► sharing people pictures and videos and all sorts of terrible things there I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5177">TS</a>]
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01:26:24 ◼ ► this they would need terms this means no it's so ridiculous and so it so asinine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5184">TS</a>]
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01:26:31 ◼ ► make money for like for their parent company this is not the way to do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► using your middle school coffee shop example it's as if at a certain point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5195">TS</a>]
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01:26:46 ◼ ► customers like they're not at this point but like if you suddenly turning to well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5206">TS</a>]
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01:26:58 ◼ ► not at that point not even close to but like if you just keep going down this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► path I think I feel like the regular people will leave and you'll just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► left with like we are a community of hate speech bulletin boards because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► these people have no place else to go with its like a chance you know fortune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► to a lesser extent yeah that's not the kind of business you want to run is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► that's not a growth market that's not a lot of people without a spending power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► money wanna go mainstream and it just seems like the CEO is trying to preserve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► like this ideal we provide a forum for people to openly share ideas and I admit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► that that's sort of a high-minded ideals of read it but the consequences of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► are not going to be good for credits bottom line or for the popularity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► read it or read reputation or for his reputation anything really just seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► like all downside and again go ahead you know if that's what the company wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► do feel free to pursue that path but I don't see it turning into anything good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► for anyone involved so this probably doesn't mean anything for the purpose of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5276">TS</a>]
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01:28:04 ◼ ► wrong about this but the coffee shop closed last fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5284">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► shops closed all the time I know they sound at the building in Marin sold to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► get knocked down but somewhere like it that's part of the whole idea of the of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► the sort of someone who cherish that there really is eradicated I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► there's this is a stereotype of a typical Reddit user that's perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► somewhat a trip I think there are a lot of people like all three of us who don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► go to read it and let someone links to it and then we link to it we look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5312">TS</a>]
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01:28:47 ◼ ► look at something and then you go someplace else I think a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► traffic is from things like that I don't know maybe they know the breakdown if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► most of the traffic comes from people just posting hate each other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5336">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► re-enter getting a big arguments and 17 level indented comment thread attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► to things maybe that is where their stuff comes from just it just seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► me it's a bad decision I think less of the people who run read it every time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► hear one of the decisions are see them in the side of the satellite largely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:17 ◼ ► nuanced discussions as they tried to to parse what should and shouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5357">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► acceptable behavior and read it and just revealed themselves have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► of other people's experiences and you know it's late and I'm sure that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► specific examples I said in this podcast are not accurate feel free to wander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► ready yourself and try to find out what these people's opinions are but every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► time I see anything from them as I go to read it and see these discussions with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► the new leadership behind read it I just think I I was excited when the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:47 ◼ ► came in and started making changes like really straightforward sensible changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5387">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► get rid of the hate groups and was like I hate groups what do you mean like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:57 ◼ ► just I don't again I don't know the details I don't know why she was pushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5397">TS</a>]
01:30:01 ◼ ► out I know I'm sure she was subject to the same harassment that every woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5401">TS</a>]
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01:30:35 ◼ ► views of the new CEO is apparently one of the founders this just like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5435">TS</a>]
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01:31:28 ◼ ► isn't even really signatures but whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5488">TS</a>]
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01:32:20 ◼ ► that is just like the King journalism das Lied even that official story line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5540">TS</a>]
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01:33:05 ◼ ► happened if just some angry users who are you know he thought horrible people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5585">TS</a>]
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01:33:13 ◼ ► read into who they appointed instead this other co-founder we've been gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5593">TS</a>]
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01:33:57 ◼ ► out now because she was pushing indirection that not the users didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5637">TS</a>]
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01:34:14 ◼ ► obviously the people who own and control the company wanted to be the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5654">TS</a>]
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01:34:27 ◼ ► the most local users but the opposition thing and apparently a vote of no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzfNRI/5667">TS</a>]
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