503: The King of Moderating
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Hello and welcome to episode 503 of the Connected Podcast from Relay FM.
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This episode is brought to you by NetSuite, Ecamm, 1Password and Fitbud.
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My name is Mike Hurley and I have the pleasure of welcoming to the show Federico Vittucci.
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Hello Mike, how are you?
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Hello Federico.
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It's good to be back here, it's good to talk to you.
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And I'm happy to be back.
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It's good to talk to Steven. Hello Steven.
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Hello boys, it is good.
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We're all together again.
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Which is nice.
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Mike, I hope you had a good time off.
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And now we're back.
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And that means we start with follow up.
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You got to do, someone's got to do the sound, you know.
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iOS 17.5.1 is out.
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This fixes an issue that it kind of fell between our episodes a little bit, where deleted pictures
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were reappearing for some users.
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A lot of people wrote the headlines of the iPhone is undeleting your nudes because obviously
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that's what people are going to recognize immediately in their photo rolls that have
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been deleted.
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If you took 17 pictures of your kids' soccer game and two show back up, you're not going
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to notice that, but nudity pictures, you probably will.
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Horrific bug.
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I really hope that everyone had to work late and over the weekend to fix this unexcusable,
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but it seems to be fixed in 17.5.1.
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So good job.
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But I would like to call attention to this and one other thing.
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So this bug happened.
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We also had that thing a few weeks ago, which I spoke about on upgrade where a bunch of
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Apple IDs got locked and had to reset the passwords, right?
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Both of these things have come and gone.
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Apple's not saying anything about it because this photos thing, how did this happen?
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I believe they need to answer this.
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Yes, they do.
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Because if I have deleted a photo, that photo should be gone, right?
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Why does it still exist?
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Where does it exist?
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The photos that I have chosen to delete, that Apple tells me will be deleted after 30 days,
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how did they come back?
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How did that happen?
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Like there were reports where, I don't know if this is true or not, but there were reports
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that I was reading that some people were getting photos from a previous device owner.
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Well that was like one report on Reddit.
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Yeah I mean, you can't be sure of that.
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I don't think that was a thing.
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It was enough to say that photos that were deleted were coming back and they were longer
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than 30 days even.
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So where and why are these photos being stored and how on earth did they come back again?
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I think there needs to be an explanation for this.
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You're right, you're totally right.
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I cannot believe Apple hasn't said anything about all that login reset stuff.
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But between the two, they need to have some sort of statement.
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Because like this is, it's serious.
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I mean the nude headlines are one thing, but like all sorts of terrible things can happen
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when this comes up.
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And it definitely raises the question in my mind as well, like does deleting not mean
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Like are these hanging out on a server somewhere?
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Are they still in my iCloud account just like hidden away somehow?
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There needs to be an explanation around this.
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But if there hasn't been by now, probably won't be.
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Because they've been pretty good recently at getting their statements out and these
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are things that people are asking for comment on and they're not giving any.
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That's not what you think.
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It's not what you think.
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Deleting, it's not what you think.
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That's so good.
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That's so good.
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T.G., you are the king of moderating, not moderating.
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Moderating, yes I'm moderating.
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You are the king of moderation.
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You better eke out the moderator.
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You are the king of modifying, geez, iPads.
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Moderatifying.
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Moderatifying magic keyboards and iPads and Macs.
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We're going to talk about MacPad 2.0 in a little while.
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Can you walk me through what's going on with this magic keyboard mod that's floating around?
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Yeah, so I saw this post on Threads.
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This person noticed that the magic keyboard felt more tippy when used on a desk compared
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to the previous one.
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The problem is that the redesign hinge of the magic keyboard doesn't touch the desk
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or like any flat surface when the keyboard is open and you're typing on your iPad.
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This person's solution, Chris Newman on Threads, was to just simply attach some clear silicon
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bumpers, like some clear rubber feet essentially, to the hinge and stabilize the keyboard.
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This is something that I also noticed.
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I'm going to do this mod myself, not exactly for this reason, but because the new hinge,
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I don't like how it scratches my kitchen table because it's this flat aluminum bar on my
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kitchen table.
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My kitchen table is made of ceramic, so I don't want this thing to get the hinge to
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be ruined by the texture of my kitchen table, so I'm just going to apply these clear plastic
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bumpers, exactly like Chris did on Threads, to solve that problem.
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So yeah, that's what I'm going to do.
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It's a clever, simple mod that doesn't involve voiding any warranty for your magic keyboard.
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So I have something that I think you'll enjoy Federico, those little rubber guys.
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3M created a product like this and they call them bumpons.
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Oh my god, bumpons?
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I think you'd like that word, bumpons.
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B-U-M-P-O-N, bumpon.
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Bumpon, I can get them Friday.
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And I know this because in keyboards this is what people just call them, so these are
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very, this type of little rubber feet that they're all mechanical keyboards because
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you don't want the metal on the desk and also it stops the keyboard from moving around.
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And so that's where I learned the term bumpons because I have a bunch of bumpons.
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Bumpons are great, I put them on everything.
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What you are for those rolling squares, I am for bumpons.
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I have them on tons of stuff in my house, things that go on kitchen counters and stuff
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to stop them moving around like cutting boards and I'm bumping on everything.
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I've used them to replace feet on computers I get into the collection because sometimes
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those rubber feet are really sticky or they come off and what's great about them, you
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can go to the hardware store and they come in all sorts of sizes.
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In clear or brown or black, round, square, it's a great technology.
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Listener Greg wrote in, in connected 502 Federico wondered why the body's default remedy to
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many situations is a throw up.
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Ah yes, yes I did.
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If what you see doesn't seem to agree with your other senses, what your other senses
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are telling you about your motion, one thing that can cause this is ingesting something
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The body simply decides to get rid of everything in case something in it is causing harm.
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There you go.
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Okay so this is like a natural reflex or something that the human body thinks that it ingested
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something and so it's like oh let me throw it up you know as a precaution.
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Makes sense.
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Yeah you eat some some wild mushrooms in the forest and suddenly the ground starts moving.
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Yeah it's a good thing just to toss it overboard.
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Yeah I was recently talking to a friend.
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She relocated to New Zealand a few years ago.
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Like the typical story of like abandoning all of her belongings from her previous life.
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She's a couple of years younger than me and she tried to sell me on this idea that it's
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actually good for you to micro dose on mushrooms.
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It's like if you do it in small qualities it's fine.
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It's like yeah I'm not gonna do it.
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I mean that's what they say.
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It's just like no it's actually great for your creativity.
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It's like yeah thank you but no I'm not gonna do that.
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I bet it is.
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I mean you know a hyper card came out of an LSD trip so.
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We should micro dose on mushrooms and see where it takes us.
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Maybe we should consider the mushrooms.
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Can you imagine how funny this show would be if we were all on mushrooms?
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Someone might cut a MacBook Air in half.
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Someone might.
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But in the other way it's not what you think.
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Just like half of the screen off the keyboard.
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Or you know like I take the screen out of my studio display and like stick an iPad to
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It's like the inverse of the Mac pad.
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I want an OLED.
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You just flip it around and you're just like you're reaching around and you're like touching
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the back you know and like what's happening on the front.
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It's like perfect.
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That's the way it's going.
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Speaking of micro dosing.
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Speaking of being high.
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Humane is looking for a buyer.
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This is according to Mark Gurman at Bloomberg.
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No they're going to need a big dose not a micro dose for this one.
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Yeah they're going to need a big dose of money.
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This is the whole basket of mushrooms.
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Tell us the price Mike.
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So Mark Gurman's reporting that they're trying to sell themselves so that they're engaging
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with financial middle people and they are looking for a price somewhere between 750 million
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to a billion.
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Which look I mean the thing is if they're going to sell this is the kind of money they
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need because of how much money they've raised.
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Like we can make a lot of arguments as to whether they're worth that money.
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I'm not sure that they are.
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They might have an amount of intellectual property that's interesting.
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I don't know how you would value any of that.
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But this is like they need to return money to the people that invested in them right.
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So like if they're going to sell it has to be for this.
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I think someone will buy them.
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I don't think someone will pay that amount of money.
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Like I think they'll probably end up just like everyone just gets what they paid in
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which is probably like half a billion or something.
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Someone's going to buy them I think.
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Yeah it's the world's most expensive laser.
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That's probably not true.
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I think that they are probably genuinely like interesting to some company because they did
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produce a piece of hardware that looked nice right.
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And there aren't a lot of people that can do that I feel.
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I'm not surprised by this.
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Where else are they going to go?
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It's either this or it goes out of business probably right.
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Realistically.
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I made the joke to you guys earlier when we were talking about this in iMessage that if
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I was Tim Cook I would buy them and force them to work on the iPhone.
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That's what I would do.
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You said the iPhone SE.
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I did say the iPhone SE specifically because it's the least exciting iPhone.
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Sorry iPhone SE users.
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You see I didn't want to say that because I didn't want the follow up.
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But yeah that's what I would do.
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I'd be like you had a lot to say about the smartphone.
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Get back to work on the smartphone.
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That's what I would do.
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But you know.
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Steven did you make a decision about your social media username yet?
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I am @therealmikehurley.
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Please stand up.
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Mike Hurley official.
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Mom's spaghetti.
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/therealmikehurley.
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You're a liar.
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Yeah I'm just sticking with ismh86.
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Oh so you've gone everywhere now.
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I don't know if I said this on the show.
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But you can't just change a Mastodon username.
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Which is bogus Mastodon fetaverse people.
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It's not surprising though.
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You have to think about it.
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You have to create a new account and then you can migrate the account.
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But the migration only moves your followers.
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So people who follow you will follow your new account.
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You have to export a CSV and then import it to your new account to have people you follow
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come over to your new account.
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Why is that not in the migration?
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And there's no way to move your contents like all your old posts just go away.
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Which is fine.
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I don't care.
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But it's very complicated.
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And this is now the second time I've done it because I went from mastodon.social to
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eWorld.social and now this.
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And it's kind of a pain.
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But you know open web.
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What are you going to do?
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It's fun to search for you right now.
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Yeah there's probably six of me.
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There's so many Stevens.
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So I have a couple of questions for you.
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Did you say that you lose the posts or you keep the posts?
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You lose them.
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Well they don't move to your new account so they're effectively gone.
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Oh because also when I search for you I find the threads version of you as well.
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Yeah because I have that federated and that is actually broken at the moment.
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So I went to the threads interface.
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It was like oh I changed what account I need to go to.
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So I turned it off and you can't turn it back on for like 30 days.
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Makes sense.
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Because you don't want to federate too hard.
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So it is not federating right now but it will again because I think that's good.
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Mums fed-getty.
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Fed-averse-getty.
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So yeah I don't you know it's not my favorite thing in the world but it's done.
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So it's done.
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So let this be a lesson to you and everyone.
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Don't delete accounts on social media right.
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If you want to take a break delete the app.
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Don't delete the account because then you end up in this scenario you know.
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I think it's rare that somebody changes a username to add numbers but Steven had to
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do it so don't delete accounts.
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Don't do it.
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I was mad because Instagram got bought and rage quit and I should have just.
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Now look at you.
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And that's what I do with my Twitter account.
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It's just like locked and private.
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Yeah my Twitter account is just like a ghost.
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It really is.
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I think I even changed my profile to black and white to make it look like I'm dead.
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I did that on Twitter.
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I have this thing if I ever see a black and white photo of someone I've immediately assumed
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that they've died.
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Do you ever feel this?
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Like if you're on Instagram if someone posts a black and white photo of someone I'm like
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oh no they're dead.
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That's my initial thought.
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I don't like that.
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I just went to Twitter because I was gonna look at my account.
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It redirected to x.com and one password doesn't work because all my URLs saved in one password
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are for twitter.com not x.com.
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I'll just never log in again.
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Yeah whatever.
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I did not change my account by going on it right now but what I find so funny right now
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is you go to like a Twitter page and you very quickly see it and then they pop up a thing
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that says log in and I find that so funny like it's so broken.
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It is so broken.
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Rest in peace.
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So we should talk about headphones.
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There's always a new headphone king in town, maybe?
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I don't know.
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Sonos, they have officially unveiled their widely speculated and previously rumored and
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shown on a bunch of websites, Sonos Ace headphones.
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These are over-ear wireless headphones that look pretty good, I would say.
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They are reminiscent of the AirPods Max in some ways, the design of the headband and
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the arms and the removable magnetic cups that you can remove and replace whenever you want.
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They have, of course, some unique integrations with the Sonos ecosystem.
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I will leave you to...there's a bunch of videos that you can go check out, but I think Chris
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Welch's first look on the verge is a pretty good one.
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Chris is the headphone guy on the verge.
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Excellent coverage all the time.
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He's also been breaking news about these products for their entire existence.
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It's very funny that they do continue.
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You know what I like about Sonos, actually, is they continue to give this access to Chris.
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And Chris is the key person posting the leaks.
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I respect that.
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I respect that about a company.
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This person is like, they are on your beat, but he's still there in the press events.
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I respect that about Sonos.
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More companies should be like that.
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So, yeah, these headphones, they have...so the first unique integration is, of course,
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the support for private listening.
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So if you're at home and you have Sonos soundbars or other Sonos equipment...
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Just Sonos soundbars.
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Just Sonos soundbars, okay.
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Yeah, just Sonos soundbars.
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You can put on your headphones and you can sort of transfer the audio from the soundbar
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to the headphones if you want to join in and just listen in using your headphones.
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They have these...what's the name of the button that they have?
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The content button?
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The content key.
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Content key.
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Yeah, the content key, which is this metal slider that you can use to adjust volume and
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press to play and pause, as well as to long press if you want to beam the audio from the
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TV to the headphones.
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They look pretty good, I think.
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They're not made of aluminum as the AirPods Max.
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They have a really cool-looking case that also uses magnets to line up the different
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parts that you need to store and carry.
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I'm not gonna buy this, but we do have a long time at this point, Sonos customer, the real
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Mike Hurley.
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What do you think about these Sonos headphones?
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I think that it's interesting, the decisions that they made.
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I think they made the right decisions, though.
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These headphones do not integrate with the Sonos system that you would be used to as
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a Sonos customer.
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So you can't be listening to something on Sonos speakers and then have that music also
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playing the headphones.
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It doesn't work like that.
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These are Bluetooth headphones, first and foremost, and then they have the one integration
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with the Sonos system, which is if you have, at the moment, it's just their most expensive
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soundbar but they're gonna be bringing it to their other soundbars where you can do
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this thing of like, "I'm watching something on TV and now I can just bring that audio
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These are fully featured headphones.
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They've got Dolby Atmos and surround sound and they say they have best in class noise
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cancellation, they have transparency mode.
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So if you are a Sonos customer, it's weird because here's a Sonos product that doesn't
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work like a Sonos product, but I actually think this was the right decision because
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I think it would have been weirder to be like, "Here's a pair of headphones and you can
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only listen to them in your house."
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That would have been very strange as a product to exist.
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So I think that this is a smart product of like, what I hope that they have done here
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is we have made an excellent pair of headphones that are Bluetooth headphones.
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You can listen to them on your phone, your iPad, when you're traveling, and then it
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may bring more people into the Sonos ecosystem, right?
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Where they're like, "I really like these, what else do they do?"
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So that might be a thing that we see more of.
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For me, I am obviously very intrigued about this product because I am a big fan of Sonos'
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We spoke about it in the pro show, but I know there's this big controversy about the app
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The app is fine for me because I don't use the features that are missing and I actually
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like the new design.
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And I'm intrigued about these headphones.
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I'm very intrigued to see the full reviews, like how good is the noise cancellation.
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But really what I want, what would be best for me is I want AirPods Max 2.
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That's what I want.
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Because what I want is all of the stuff that's in my AirPods Pro, but in my AirPods Max.
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I want active transparency, I want USB-C, I want voice, like conversation detection,
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like I want all that stuff.
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And that's obviously not what the Sonos has because that's Apple stuff.
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So I'm just going to sit hoping and waiting for the AirPods Max 2 because I don't want
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to buy two sets of $400 headphones within like a year or whatever.
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And I would say the AirPods Max, they are still excellent headphones, even though they
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miss a bunch of features.
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But they are still super good.
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So if I didn't have any of these and I was maybe making a decision about a pair of headphones
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to buy, I could see myself making this decision based on how good or not the reviews are.
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But I would struggle to replace my AirPods Max of these when if AirPods Max 2 come, which
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I do think they still will, then I would want those more, I reckon.
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But these are, this is an interesting product.
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I think they've done a, I think this, you know, looks way more compelling as a version
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one product than you would expect a version one product to be, right?
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Just like the overall finish of these look really, really good.
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Yeah, I agree.
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Mike, you have an iPad Pro.
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Tell us about it.
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So I love my iPad Pro.
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I have an 11 inch iPad Pro.
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I've had it since Saturday and I am enamored by this product.
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I am excited to use it.
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It makes me happy to use it.
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Which is a feeling that comes along not every time that I have a new Apple product, right?
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You know, like recently, like obviously the vision pro cause it was all brand new, but
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like I think about something like the iPhone 12, no 14.
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What was the one that went flat sides?
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No, I think it was the 12.
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So that one was like, Oh, I loved that phone.
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And I think about it, like this is so nice and new in its way or, um, even to an L to
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a point that the 15 because of the lightness, but not, it didn't have as much.
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Or I think about something like Apple watch ultra, which is like the first Apple watch
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in many years and, or the, uh, the M2 MacBook air, because like there are these devices
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that take these big leaps.
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And for me coming from an iPad mini huge leap, right?
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Like, and as well, like the last iPad pro that I used was a 2020 iPad pro.
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So the best screen technology I had was promotion.
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I never had many LEDs.
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So going to an OLED is fantastic.
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All of the new pencil stuff is incredible.
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I found last night that if you use, you know, I still, now I'm using an iPad pro again,
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I'm using my Apple pencil was for navigation as well as I am for like scribbling around,
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but they added a little haptic for if you long press on stuff.
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So if you long press on stuff, the pencil clicks, it's like, great.
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I love that.
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I want that.
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So these little details are just fantastic.
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I love, I love the new smart folio.
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The fact that I can put it in different orientations, it's a little fiddly, but it does the job.
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Um, yeah, this, I think this iPad is fantastic.
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I'm super, super happy with it.
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And you know, I spoke about this upgrade, but like, I don't have any real desire to
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use my iPad for more than what Apple wants you to use an iPad for.
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And like, this is no shade on any friends of mine, right?
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Like I have, I have lived that life.
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You're talking about me?
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You have a problem?
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I don't know anyone, you know, Steven maybe.
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But I've been in those trenches.
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I lived that life, but now I just, I use my iPad for content consumption and I'm very
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happy with that.
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And this one is like, it's fantastic.
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It's fantastic because it's all content looks and feels better on it.
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So thin, super light.
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Like I'm still having, I pick it up and I'm like, man, that's so light.
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Yeah, this is just for me, an incredible product and I'm very happy with it.
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Um, you know that Apple pencil squeezes never worked for me.
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Have you adjusted the sensitivity?
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What I mean is that I go in settings and I assign, run a shortcut as an action for the
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Then I back out of that page, right?
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I go to the previous screen and it says squeeze turned off.
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I opened the setting again.
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I say, when I squeeze run a shortcut, then I go back and it says off.
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And so I rebooted my iPad.
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I installed 17.5.1.
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I try it again.
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It's like the setting doesn't stick for me.
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Like, so the squeezes currently useless on my iPad.
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Have you played around with it without the shortcut?
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Like just, just in the notes and stuff like that.
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Why would I?
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I guarantee you it's shortcuts.
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I can barely hold the pencil in my hands.
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Like I don't even know.
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Like yesterday I had to fill out a form using a pen.
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I was like, do I even know how to write anymore?
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Well, I like it, but if it didn't work for me, I would also, I would be unhappy, you
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So hopefully it'll get fixed.
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That's fine.
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I apologize, right?
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I'm just kidding.
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Put Mac OS on it.
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No, I'm just kidding.
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Steven, have you kept yours?
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I got to say as a listener of the show last week, just a great moment.
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Just a great moment.
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That was a classic Steven moment.
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When Steven announced that he had an iPad, which I knew was going to happen.
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Like I was very confident it was going to happen, but it was beautiful the way it was
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unveiled to the world.
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Federico had asked me before we hit record, I just didn't answer.
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I just talked about something else.
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What is that?
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We're talking about it on the show.
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I was like, okay.
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Talk about it on the show.
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What about your iPad mini, Mike?
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Is it, is it going to be jettisoned to a family member or.
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I think it's going to have to be, I'm giving it a little bit more time because what I thought
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I would want to keep it for is for reading comics at night because the screen is so small
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and the products are so small.
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It makes it very easy to hold, right?
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Like the 11 inch while thin and light is still bigger, you know what I mean?
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And it's like, it makes it a bit more cumbersome, but the screen is just so much better.
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So like the comics I'm reading look better on an OLED screen than the, I would say sub
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par LCD screen of the iPad mini.
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It's not as good as the other iPads.
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And so I keep looking at that mini and I'm like, I love you little guy, but I'm just
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I don't think I can do it.
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Like I think I've got to go.
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You had a good time together.
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I think I've got to go with the 11 inch.
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Now it's time to move on.
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We had a great time together, me and Patrick.
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Like we had a wonderful love affair, but I think it's time to move on.
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Love affair you would say?
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I'm going to let go of my short king and I'm going for a tall guy now.
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Looking for some, something else.
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I wonder what you were going to say there, Stephen.
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I just, no, I just stopped.
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I just stopped.
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You just immediately just jettisoned out of that one.
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What have you done?
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You don't have the magic keyboard.
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You're just using the smart folio.
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I got a smart folio in denim.
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It's a useless color, but it's, it's nice.
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Like, and I think, I think it was an upgrade.
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Jason says something that blew my mind.
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It was like, I keep my iPad pro in the folio and then I put it in the magic keyboard.
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Do I need the keyboard?
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And I've always used mine the other way around.
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And so I'm going to give that a try.
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I'm going to leave the magic keyboard at my desk, like in the drawer, and then when it's
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time to like take it someplace to a meeting or something, or when, you know, do a little
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light email or something on it, then, uh, then slap it in the keyboard.
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See how that goes.
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Cause it doesn't feel drastically thinner with the magic keyboard on it compared to the old
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It is, but the smart folio really makes it feel thinner.
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That's a good idea.
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Keeping it because I've also been like, now that you mentioned it, I've also been doing
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it the other way around.
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Like it's always in the magic keyboard and I've been keeping like the smart folio usually
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on my nightstand because that's what I want to do.
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Like non-work things on the iPad at night, like watch a movie or play a video game or
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But I am intrigued by thinking about it the other way around actually.
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Interesting.
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Uh, it's a good iPad.
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Federico, we've all been holding our breath, waiting to see what you were going to do with
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the Mac pad with the new iPad Pro out.
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I know you went to the 13 inch this time.
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You have a story on Mac stories about some of this.
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How's that gone?
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Are you liking it?
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How's the OLED life with the Mac pad?
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It's incredible.
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OLED looks really, really nice on Mac OS.
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Being the iPad Pro ready for the Mac pad was like a 10 minute deal.
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I just, I knew that I was going to have to get, that I needed to get like this back cover
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that I had to cut just like I did with the previous one, attach three magnets to it and
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then it was good to go because like the MacBook was already, of course, half of the MacBook
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was already good to go.
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I just needed to prepare the mounting system, which will be the back cover on the iPad with
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three magnets lined up.
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And yeah, there was a 10 minute deal and I just ran my shortcut to enable sidecar and
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there it was, Mac OS on OLED, which looks fantastic.
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I mean, the wallpapers look especially good.
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And even like something that Jason mentioned in his review of the iPad Pro, which is you
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can tell the quality of OLED even just by looking at things like black text on a white
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Like, I also noticed that on Mac OS with like the names of folders and files in Finder when
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you're using light mode, like I can tell that the black color of the text is crisper and
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darker than before, which is nice.
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And yeah, then, then like, I guess the more interesting part of this experiment, which
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is something that I'm still working on, is something that is still a bit of a work in
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And that is, so in this current version of the Mac pad, when I detach the screen, so
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when I grab the iPad, the iPad, I only have a back cover for it, right?
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It doesn't have a front anymore.
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And I was thinking about this and I realized, well, it's not convenient.
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Like it works as a mounting system, but then I don't have a folio anymore.
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Like it's just the back because the front I cut with a knife.
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And so I started thinking, is there a way that I can actually keep the best of both
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worlds, which would be attach the iPad as a screen for the Mac pad, but also when I
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detach it, I can have a folio that does all the things that folio does, which is there's
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a front cover and you can fold it and you can prop it up on your lap or on a desk or
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you can use it to type in landscape or something.
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So I started playing around with these ideas and I had a first version based on a mod for
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the Apple Smart Folio.
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I attached three magnets to the front of the Smart Folio and I realized that if I fold
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the folio in a particular way, which is different from the default one, there was a way to attach,
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there's a photo on Mac stories that shows what I mean.
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There was a way to attach the folio without cutting anything to the Mac pad.
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But when I did that, I noticed that the iPad would tilt backwards because that folded section,
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the iPad essentially became a lever and it would cause that folded section to, well,
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unfold because of the weight.
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So I put together this very ugly, I gotta say it's very ugly, it works, but it's ugly,
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prototype that uses a Velcro strip to keep that folded section together.
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And so go check out the photos because it's easier to see in practice what I mean.
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This solution works and I've been using it.
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It's a way to keep a working Smart Folio that when you detach the iPad from the MacBook,
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it's still a Smart Folio that you can fold, that you can close on top of the iPad.
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I don't love this first version because I used magnets that are too big, so I want to
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do a second revision with smaller magnets and also I used too much Velcro.
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I tried, as I mentioned in the story, I tried replacing Velcro with micro suction tape.
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It doesn't work because the weight of the iPad is too much.
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So I will need to use Velcro again.
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Maybe I can find a thinner Velcro, but for sure I gotta use less of it because I was
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a little too concerned in this first take on this experiment and I used too much.
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And so in the second revision, if I can find a thinner Velcro, that would be ideal, but
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also use less of it.
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The Velcro is to kind of hold the cover of the Smart Cover out of the way basically,
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So if you take a look at the photos, when the front part of the cover folds on itself
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and I attach it to the magnets, without the Velcro, the iPad would tilt backwards.
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The magnets need to be stuck to the rigid part of the Smart Cover, which goes on the
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So that part, because of the weight of the iPad, it's because the iPad in that configuration
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is very top heavy, so the top part of the iPad would push the cover backwards and so
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the Velcro acts as a resistance in the bottom section.
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And so even though there's weight, the Velcro keeps it together.
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This is where I'm probably going to need Dr. Drang to design a magnet.
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You need a structural engineer at this point.
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I need an engineer to take care of this for me.
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So Dr, if you're listening, hit me with any tips as long as it doesn't involve any equations.
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But yeah, I'm liking this a lot.
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Go check out the pictures.
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And that's...
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Yeah, I've been using it.
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It's lovely with OLED.
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It works amazingly well.
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And yeah, the MacPad lives on, even with the new iPad Pro.
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It looks much better with the 13 inch.
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It's much more visually balanced than before.
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Mike saw the original version in real life and it looked funny with the 11 inch iPad
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Now it looks much better.
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So yeah, go MacPad.
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It's kind of the beauty of this product, right?
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Is that you can update it component by component.
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Imagine that.
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I'm just so curious to say, naked robotic core.
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That's right.
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It's like that.
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I don't think he was talking about cutting a MacBook Air in half, but...
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I mean, it's more naked if you're cutting the screen off.
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It's more naked than it was previously.
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It's more something.
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I feel like say that you want to update to an M4 MacBook Air or something.
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And they were like, yeah, you can do these things separately.
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That's pretty cool.
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Or maybe a Co-Pilot plus Windows PC.
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You know what I mean?
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Oh, we can talk about that.
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We're going to get to that.
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Don't you worry.
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You can do anything.
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You can do anything now.
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We're going to get to that.
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You put a Surface on top of the MacBook.
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It's like, you're free.
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I know, Federico, you've spoken about macOS being usable on the 11-inch display when you're
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in that mode.
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But is it better, noticeably better on the 13?
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I mean, yes, it is.
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It absolutely is.
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It's a traditional computer display.
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It was fine before.
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Like, I remember being a huge fan of the 11-inch MacBook Air a decade ago or something when
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it was around.
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What a beautiful time that was, you know?
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Great computer.
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They should do one again, but they won't.
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So it was usable.
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It's obviously much better on the 13.
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It makes more sense.
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And, yeah, the window sizes, they're more comfortable.
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The dock is the proper size.
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Like, everything makes more sense on the 13-inch.
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They've sold Macs smaller than that now, right?
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You are now fully in MacBook-size screen territory.
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We spoke last week a lot about OpenAI's announcements and commented that the voice sounded a little
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familiar and turns out that they done goofed or committed a crime.
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That's a way to say it.
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Done goofed.
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Would you mind if I give my attempt at an abridged version of the chain of events?
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OpenAI had a voice named Sky.
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This voice predated the GPT-4O launch.
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It was one of the pre-selected voices that you can have because they've had the voice
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thing for a while.
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This voice sounded an awful lot like Scarlett Johansson, essentially referencing her role
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in the movie, her where she plays a voice AI.
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During the launch of GPT-4O, they spent a lot more time with the voice stuff than they
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had previously.
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It's actually the entire presentation really, talking to and hearing it talk back.
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They were also showing off improvements that they were making to the voice technology to
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make it sound more real like breath and stuff like that.
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Lots of people also recognise the voice similarities to Johansson.
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They were like, "Oh, this sounds just like her.
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It was in media."
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There was an SNL joke about it, which is particularly funny because the person who said the joke
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is Scarlett's husband, Colin Jost.
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OpenAI will get lots of questions about this because it's like, "Hey, this sounds like
00:45:45
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that very famous actress who was in that movie."
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Sam Altman tweeted the word "her" after the presentation.
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OpenAI took the voice down after receiving lots of questions about it.
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Then Scarlett Johansson released a statement.
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Should I read the statement?
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Last September, I received an offer from Sam Altman who wanted to hire me to voice the
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current ChatGPT 4.0 system.
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So I've read this initially and thought, "Was that written wrong?
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Did that mean 4.0?"
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I was like, "No, actually that's GPT 4."
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Which is when they brought the voice in and also last September.
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He told me that he felt that by voicing the system, I could bridge the gap between tech
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companies and creatives and help consumers to feel comfortable with the seismic shift
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concerning humans and AI.
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He said he felt that my voice would be comforting to people.
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After much consideration and for personal reasons, I declined the offer.
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9 months later, my friends, family and the general public all noted how much the newest
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system named Sky sounded like me.
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When I heard the release demo, I was shocked, angered and disbelief that Mr Altman would
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pursue a voice that sounded so eerily similar to mine that my closest friends and news outlets
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could not tell the difference.
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Mr Altman even insinuated that the similarity was intentional to eating a single word "her",
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a reference to the film in which I voiced the chat system Samantha who forms an intimate
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relationship with a human.
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Two days before the chat GPT 4.0 demo was released, but Mr Altman contacted my agent
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asking me to reconsider.
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Before we would reconnect, the system was out there.
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As a result of their actions, I was forced to hire legal counsel who wrote two letters
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to Mr Altman and OpenAI, setting out what they had done and asking them to detail the
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exact process by which they recreated the Sky voice.
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Consequently, OpenAI reluctantly agreed to take down the Sky voice.
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In a time when we were all grappling with deep fakes and the protection of our own likeness,
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our own work, our own identities and I believe there are questions that deserve absolute
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clarity, I look forward to resolution in the form of transparency in the passage of appropriate
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legislation to help ensure that individual rights are protected.
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All time great statement, once again Scarlett Johansson is out there sticking it to the
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big companies, don't forget she sued Disney and won.
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I think they settled but nevertheless she was right in what she was doing at the time
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than she is right now.
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OpenAI are saying that this is a coincidence and that it is another voice actor who just
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so happens to sound like Scarlett Johansson.
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Which I just believe is a lie.
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One of these things is a lie.
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Either it's a lie that it is a voice actor who just so happens to sound like her or what
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I honestly think is happening is this is a synthetic voice that they created, trained
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on her voice.
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I don't know if you two had experienced it all but I have access to GPT 4.0 and so
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you can talk to it and the voice is still good but not as good and my voice was set
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to the sky voice and when I was on vacation I wanted to see how Adina would talk to it
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because she's not going to be kind to the machine where I might be in that way, she
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was just asking it questions where I might let things go or phrase things in such a way
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that I know I'm talking to a computer.
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She had a conversation with it for a couple of minutes and was asking it advice about
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what we could do on our trip.
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It just sounded like her.
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I don't believe for a second that this is a coincidence because it sounded just like
00:49:42
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So that's kind of the news as it is so far.
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The really damning part in my mind is that they contacted her agent two days before the
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This is like when my kids were younger and you come in and there's like a mess in the
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kitchen or in their room like hey did you make this mess you're the only one here like
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no I don't know who made this mess like well you did you're just lying to me very transparently
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and I mean as bad as this is and this is pretty bad really bad and boy to your point Mike
00:50:17
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they mess with the wrong person I would not want to be on the other end of Scarlett Johansson's
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lawyers but this is yet another example of this company and probably other companies
00:50:30
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in this field using information that's not theirs to build their products right remember
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the thing a couple of weeks ago when their CTO was asked if Sora was was trained on YouTube
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video YouTube videos and there's like it's not an answer like well yeah of course it
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was oh we trained different things we found on the internet yeah like the youtube.com
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website this is the same to me the same sort of we can do whatever we want get out of our
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way that I find increasingly distasteful from this company and it just they they think they
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can just do whatever they want to get away with it like I don't they may not in this
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case but it is it is really gross well they don't care right that it's this is their attitude
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I guess it's just we're the cool guys and and we are changing the tech industry we can
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do whatever we want which I think it's a that's a very toxic attitude honestly like just disregarding
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completely I mean getting in touch with her agent two days before and yeah just going
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ahead because hey what's what what are they gonna do to us you know like we have billions
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of dollars what like I really dislike everything about this honestly. The thing that like I
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think annoys me the most is the stupidity of it like you didn't need to do any of this
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and it would have been fine you know like none of these things had to happen you you
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didn't need to get Scarlett Johansson anyway like you didn't need to get her voice right
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like it doesn't matter it could just be any voice why does it need to be the voice from
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the movie which I know this is like an old joke at this point but like that movie ends
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real bad like I don't understand why you want to make that connection so much and also why
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like Altman thinks that like her like the her voice would be the right thing to bridge
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the gap like that doesn't make any sense. Yeah you missed the message of the film. Yes
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and like I just GPT 4.0 is really impressive no one cares now right this is completely
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overshadowed it and so like all of these people inside of open AI have done the work that
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they've done to make this technology. Well there's fewer people than there used to be
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did you see like the flood of people leaving in the wake of the demos? Yeah I don't know
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about all of that like I don't really know I heard about a couple of executives left
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right I don't know about anybody else personally but like yeah some of it was some of the people
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behind the coup like the the other executive that was part of that yeah and then some people
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apparently on the product safety team left as well. Okay I mean like I don't know what
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that was all in relation to I think that might just be like the fallout of the coup. Yeah
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yeah my point was just all the people working there and I was just like well there's fewer
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people than there used to be I don't think there was like a Scarlett Johansson protest
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within the company. Okay I was sorry I wasn't sure if that was what what you what you meant
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but like all of these people did this work and like now it kind of doesn't matter right
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and it's all just because of the the idiocy of Altman in this scenario right it's just
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like why even do any of this like what are you doing like you should be doing everything
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you possibly can to make people warm up to your company. Yeah. Because people are rightly
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so really hesitant of this right and like this is like this era of technology has promise
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there are interesting things that are going on but there's also a lot of really unsettling
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things that are going on you don't need to add to the unsettling by doing things that
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don't even make any sense like why would you do this? I want to read a quick quote from
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Casey Newton a platformer. It's narrative about so open AI's narrative about the Johansson
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debacle is essentially that its chief executive slipped on a series of banana peels over the
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last nine months until they were trapped in an uncanny valley between one of the world's
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most famous actresses and another actress whom it declines to name who sounds just like
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her. For me it's the slipped on a series of banana peels thing where it's just like whoa
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I didn't mean to do any of this like it's all just so happened to occur like it's just
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so stupid and juvenile it's like you're supposed to be in charge of this massive company just
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act like an adult. And if you hired somebody else to have that person come out and make
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a statement and it all goes away or it gets better at least. Like I'm sorry like to me
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look the idea of like we're protecting this person's privacy that doesn't hold water with
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no that feels like the kind of thing you would say when you're trying to protect the fact
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that nobody exists. Like what is the like what what's the issue here like voice actors
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all the time they're accredited well you can't credit this one what's the what's the concern
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around this like I don't I don't understand what that concern is. Yeah we know who did
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the original Siri voice like you know come on. To me that it just feels like we're trying
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to hide this. I mean look I don't know what scholar Janssen's move is going to be I don't
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know if she's going to try and file a lawsuit if she does and if she's successful to do
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so I think she has the ability to do it. Oh yeah. And maybe we'll find out the answer
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but it's going to be a long way in the future and maybe people won't care about it anymore
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but I think she's done a great job here of kind of exposing them I think done very well
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to be honest I think she's she's kind of crushed it but it just it just disappoints me it disappoints
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me and then I think about what are we four weeks away from from Sam Altman maybe appearing
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at WWDC. Hey everyone I made a new voice it's called Tim. It's called Tom. It's called Tom.
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I always wonder what happens at Microsoft when these sorts of things happen right Microsoft
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has put a lot of money in this company a lot of their co-pilot stuff which we're talking
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about next powered by this during the coup they offered Sam Altman a job and he turned
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it down to go back to the company that tried it I'll see him like I want to know everything
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about that relationship but you know someone at Microsoft like when this news broke they
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just they just slammed their head into their desk. Yeah I think they kind of expect it
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from them now though like I don't know how much you've you to follow this but like Microsoft
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is buying up more AI companies like they're essentially building within Microsoft a team
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where they can just plug them in yeah get rid of open AI as they should they should
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own their technology but like I think open AI has brought them to the dance right and
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like now they're building the infrastructure that they need to leave it's like you know
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after all this it's like yes I expect that every time something like this happens such
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as just like I don't want to have to deal with this right like you're you're like we're
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trying to do a thing over here and you know like he was at build like the next day after
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this and it's just like you're just you're embarrassing me but it at least seems like
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he is making the moves that he would need to try and get rid of them and move over to
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whatever there is but I think that it would be particularly awkward for Apple because
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if they're going if they are actually going to announce a brand new partnerships like
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oh so you decided still a brand new like that's going to be the question where it's like with
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Microsoft it's a little bit like well we're already in bed together like you know the
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the the it'd be weird it's going to be I think more complicated to be like no we made the
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So there was a Microsoft Surface event earlier this week followed by the Microsoft Build
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conference I believe.
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And of course at the Surface event the big news is the debut of these brand new AI PCs
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that Microsoft is not calling AI PCs, they're calling Co-Pilot Plus PCs.
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Which is an interesting name to say the least.
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Co-Pilot Plus...
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Are you guys familiar with the fact that they actually already have things that are called
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Co-Pilot PCs?
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No but I'm not surprised.
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It's a different thing.
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Oh my god that is so Microsoft.
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Isn't that great?
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It's so Microsoft.
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I really like the Co-Pilot branding.
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Me too I think it's great branding.
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But you got to deploy it in a more reasonable fashion at Microsoft.
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So this Co-Pilot Plus PCs obviously we know Microsoft is going all in on AI and they've
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been doing that for the past two years really.
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But what's different about these new computers, so there's a new Surface laptop and there's
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a new Surface Pro 11.
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They skipped the 10 right?
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Well they're actually not numbering them.
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They're not numbering it.
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The 10 is business only I believe.
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The Surface Pro 10 is just for business customers.
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They didn't number this one.
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The thing about these computers is that they're running on a brand new ARM based architecture.
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So this is the long rumored Qualcomm made Snapdragon X processors.
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They're going to power these Windows machines.
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And specifically there's two versions of the Snapdragon X.
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There's the Plus and the Elite.
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Now what's really remarkable here is that we can get to the details about like how Microsoft
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is doing this transition from the X86 architecture to an ARM based architecture.
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They tried years ago.
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It didn't exactly work out in terms of developer adoption, app compatibility and a bunch of
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other issues.
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It seems like this may be the time they actually do it.
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But what I find fascinating is the comparisons to the M series chips to Apple silicon and
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specifically Microsoft saying we are beating the MacBook Air with these computers.
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That I find interesting because from a certain perspective in terms of just raw AI numbers
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it may even be true if you consider how these processors perform and all the different large
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language models that Microsoft has embedded within Windows at this point.
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I believe there's about 40 different models that Microsoft has in Windows.
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But I still struggle to see these computers as having the kind of performance of a MacBook
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Air in terms of running cool and being thin and that's not even to mention of course the
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Surface Pro compared to the incredible thinness of an iPad Pro.
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But they're using different metrics to compare these copilot Plus PCs to MacBook Airs.
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And so I wanted to ask you guys first of all, silly name aside, do you find this interesting
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as an idea of an AI first computer?
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Well, I mean...
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Or do you find it silly?
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No, I don't find it silly.
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I mean, to me it's just like, well, I do believe I've come around to the idea that like, look,
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love it or hate it.
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This is the next phase of computing now.
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Like we're in it.
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And so like the idea of a AI focused PC is funny to me because it's just like, I do think
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that within five years that's just a PC.
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It's new now.
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It's like saying if the smartphone was invented now, oh, this is a camera phone.
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It's like, yeah, well...
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Or just like, what do you guys think about this new touch focused phone?
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You know, like I genuinely think we're just in it now.
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The thing that I find the most interesting, some of the stuff they're putting in Windows
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is interesting to me, but the thing I find the most interesting is how hard they are
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bringing it to Apple.
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I like this.
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I like this.
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Just go for it.
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And like they're saying, I mean, I listened to the Verge cast and Tom Warren was saying
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that like he was in a briefing with Microsoft for multiple hours where they would just,
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they had a MacBook Air and the Surface laptop next to each other and they were just doing
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benchmark after benchmark.
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Like they are not just saying that this is more powerful in AI.
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They're saying it is more powerful in everything.
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They're saying it has longer battery life.
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Like they're just saying like all in all, this machine is better.
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Now they probably have fans in them.
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You sound about the coolness thing.
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It's like, okay, like a lot of people are bringing this up.
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Like I think John Cooper wrote about it too.
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I don't know if that matters.
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Like I don't, you know, like, okay, like it does, you know, whatever.
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But like it's probably more powerful than a MacBook Pro then.
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Like, you know, it's just like, whatever.
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To me, the thing that is interesting here is that they are building computers that look
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compelling and they are putting these features into their operating system and then they're
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saying this is better than Apple's laptops.
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And I'm just like, all right, like this is it.
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I like this from Microsoft.
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Let's see what they got.
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Are you guys familiar with where these chips came from?
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So this is, they're Qualcomm chips, but a while back Qualcomm bought a company founded
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by a bunch of people who left Apple who worked on Apple Silicon.
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It's a company called Nuvia.
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Interesting.
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And Qualcomm just said, we'll give you whatever you need, make us the chips.
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And these are the chips.
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And they did.
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And this is a pretty remarkable chip.
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In terms of like for AI, they're saying like 40 trillion operations per second.
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Like this Snapdragon X architecture, like it is a serious thing.
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And the fact that Microsoft is saying we're not just comparable to a MacBook Air.
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We are superior in terms of performance to the M3.
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Like that is a serious claim.
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And they're saying that these computers, like they're claiming, like I was just checking
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the Surface Pro specs page.
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They're claiming 14 hours of battery life for a tablet, which, you know, different kind
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of tablet in many regards.
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But yeah, it's like this is a serious effort in terms of bringing an R base architecture
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to Windows and now will it work this time around?
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I think it will.
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The question remains, what is the app story?
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Like that is their issue of like how many apps are actually going to come?
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And they announced a bunch of important apps like Photoshop and others are like they're
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bringing, they're going to make native versions.
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Isn't Fantastical also coming to Windows because of this?
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It was on a slide and then there was a tweet or a thread post by somebody who said it was
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coming, but I don't, I would not be surprised.
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I mean, it makes sense for them to do that.
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To your point, Mike, and to yours, Frederick, really, the reason this is so interesting
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to me is that this is Windows on ARM in a way we've never seen it before.
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And the software and the hardware both have held it back, but in particular the software,
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if you go back, whatever it was, eight years or whatever, 10 years to the Surface RT, that
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thing failed because the hardware was underpowered, but also because there was no software for
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And Microsoft has taken their sweet, sweet time to get Windows ready to get their emulation
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And in that time, now they have this chip.
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So now things are coming together and either John or Ben said this on dithering, I forget
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which one, but this feels like a turning point in the decline of x86 and Intel is going to
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have with Lunar Lake, a next gen processor.
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They're going to have, you know, co-pilot plus PC stuff ready, but ARM is where these
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things are happening.
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And if these devices and the software do all really work as well as Microsoft says they
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do, this very well could be the turning point where, hey, x86, not on the Mac anymore.
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It's going to be a long time before it's not a Windows anywhere.
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Like it's a very long transition, but this feels like a very big step towards that future.
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I genuinely think the Intel thing is just there because Microsoft are being nice to
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I think so too.
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I think x86 is over.
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They can also still use them.
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Like Steven said, it's going to be a long transition and there's probably many reasons
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for Microsoft to remain partners with Intel for lower spec'd computers.
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The Windows world is so different from the Apple one.
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It makes sense, like they're the kind of company that is built to have multiple partners.
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But yeah, this is the question is how good is their emulation layer?
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Because if it's still not good enough, this won't work.
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So to give you like I posted on threads about the gaming angle, for example, which is obviously
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an interesting one because those are some of the along with 3D applications and like
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professional applications, like 3D graphics is one of the most intensive things that you
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can ask a system on a chip in this case.
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Like this is not a keep in mind, this is not a system with a discrete GPU.
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This is just like Apple Silicon.
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It's like a single system on a chip that has a GPU inside of it.
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The Mac Pro wins in the end.
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This is not these are not computers with a discrete dedicated GPU.
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It's just one Snapdragon X system on a chip.
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Now for the emulation layer, so I think Microsoft is telling a really compelling story, much,
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much more compelling than whatever Apple did last year with that Mac OS compatibility thing
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for gaming that nobody ever really took advantage of.
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So they're saying that they have a thousand games that are already sort of have already
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been tested and are playable or basically just complete like sort of like Steam's proton
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thing like they have passed the compatibility checks.
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So a thousand games and mostly you could expect these games without any optimizations to run
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at 720p or 1080p 30 frames per second.
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For example, they showed Baldur's Gate 3, which is a game from last year, like a massive
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game from last year running, I believe, somewhere in between 720p and 1080p at 30 frames per
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second. Now, you may say, well, that's not impressive. But, again, this is a system on
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a chip without a discrete GPU using an emulation layer and running that game at 1080p 30 frames
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per second in a tablet? It is pretty remarkable for a first take.
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That's pretty good. That's pretty good.
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It's pretty good. It's pretty good. And you can imagine that, like, I have a feeling that
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Microsoft and Qualcomm are absolutely going to take Apple to task here when it comes to
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gaming, because, like, they can tell and they can offer a much more compelling alternative
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than whatever Apple has in store for the App Store and Apple Arcade, because the signs
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are pretty much in the open that Microsoft, they're going to do a gaming handheld and
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it's going to be... Most likely at this point, it's going to be based on this chip on the
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Snapdragon X series. Now, you can imagine that sort of Xbox handheld that has full on compatibility
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with games on Windows with this kind of battery life. And also, I will point you to the...
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President of Xbox, Sarah Bond, I want to say?
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Saying that they have assembled a dedicated Xbox game preservation team for future backward
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compatibility. Now, why is that?
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I can think of something.
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I mean, they're also saying, like, as well, like, that the next Xbox that they're working
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on is going to be the most powerful games console ever made by a long margin. And yeah,
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maybe this is part of how they get to that, right? Like this kind of technology. I mean,
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we've seen it. We've seen what happens when you go to arm, like your power and your amount
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of power per watt and that kind of stuff. It just goes through the roof and that could
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be a big leap for this kind of system too.
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Yeah. So the final thing I will say is that over the past few years, and rightfully so
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in our community, because this is what we do for a living, we've been focused on the
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incredible improvements of the Apple Silicon and M series. But I just wanted to point out
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that, like, it's not like Qualcomm has been just resting on their laurels and doing nothing.
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You can get some pretty remarkable Android phones, like especially the Snapdragon 8 Gen
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3. That's just the amount of chip and the Adreno-based GPU that they have. You can play
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some Android games and do some emulation in 4K with some really remarkable performance.
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Now, of course, the app ecosystem is different between iOS and Android. But if I were Apple,
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you know, competition is good in this case. And Qualcomm proving that they can work with
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Microsoft to bring Snapdragon to a desktop operating system with a gaming angle. It's
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very remarkable. And yeah, it's competition is great.
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Over on Ars Technica, Andrew Cunningham has an article about Prism, which is Microsoft's
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emulation. You know, we have Rosetta 2 on Apple Silicon Macs. And Andrew writes that
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with a upcoming Windows 11 update, that those translated apps will run between 10 and 20%
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faster just with the Windows update. And that Prism's performance is, quote, similar to
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Rosetta's, although obviously this depends on the speed of the hardware you're running
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it on. And that's another benefit of these ARM chips. They are so fast. If there is any
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penalty for emulation, and it's not really like emulation is not really the word. It's
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translation. It's translating, not emulating. Then you make up the difference in the speed.
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And they've got a bunch of apps like you mentioned Adobe, but Dropbox and Chrome are native on
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ARM and Windows. This is happening. It does not answer the questions about dedicated GPUs.
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It doesn't really answer the question of like, you know, the the bajillion x86 PCs under
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people's work desks, like it's going to take a long time. But I'm telling you, I think
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we're gonna look back in a year or two. Like this, this is the time when the when the tide
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really started shifting for Windows on ARM. The other thing I want to talk to you all
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about is Microsoft recall. So this is a feature that was internally called AI Explorer. But
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it effectively looks at everything you're doing on your computer, and puts it on a timeline.
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So you can go back and see what's going on. If this sounds familiar, there was rewind
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AI, which was this Mac application that was going to do this. And that company has pivoted.
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But this is built into the OS into Windows. It will. There's some privacy stuff, you can
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say, you know, don't pay attention to these websites, you can pause or stop it. It's local
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and on device. But you can say, Hey, you know, I saw an email with this in it, or I was on
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a web page with that on it. Can you find it for me? And it scrolls back in time. I love
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the interface for it. I think the interface is really fun. Very reminiscent of time machine.
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Yeah, it is. And except like sideways instead of back into the screen.
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It's more colorful. And it's got my it looks like modern Microsoft. Like it looks great.
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But like, yeah.
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But this is this is a mean, it's a wild feature. I would imagine that there'll be a lot of
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people that turn this off, or a lot of companies that turn it off for their employees. But
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I'm curious, like, for us, is this something that you know, if this came to Mac OS, is
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this something that we would be interested in?
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This is the dream for me to have like the idea of total digital recall, without having
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to bookmark or like, explicitly save things. And I get it, I get it, the privacy concerns
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and everything. I'm sure if Apple ever did something similar, they would have better
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settings for things that you may want to exclude from your recall. But like, for me, this is
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exactly the perfect use of AI and a large language model. Like, see everything I do.
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I choose to let you see what I do. And then let me search using natural language things
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that I remember having seen on my computer, just not having saved them specifically anywhere.
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This is something that I really, really, really hope Apple does, not just on a Mac, like anywhere,
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like everywhere. I want to have this on all the devices that I use.
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We should note it does only work on some of these newer Co-Pilot Plus PCs with the Snapdragon
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X Elite chip. So this is a subset of new machines. The minimum storage space, Microsoft says
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hard drive space, but you know, solid storage space. The minimum required for the system
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is 256 gigs, but 50 gigs of available space, you know, for for this feature to work. And
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its default allocation is 25 gigs, which they say is about three months worth of snapshots,
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but you can change in the settings, how much storage allocation you you allow for this.
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So I'm interested to see how this is how this takes off if this is used in the world if
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people think this is creepy. We just don't know yet. And I think I think for me, like
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I am interested in something like this, but boy, I'd want to make sure that it's local
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because something like this, you know, basically screen reading everything you do. That's,
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you know, that's weird. It's not a very common thing at this point.
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Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm like struggling with it myself. I keep going backwards and forwards
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of like, I actually would really like to utility for what Federico's mentioning, like, I don't
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need to remember anything like it just remembers everything for me. Like, I love that. But
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there is also just this like, do I want the computer logging everything, like everything,
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every, you know, like, do I want that? I'm not sure that I do. And like, it's complicated.
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I think this is the thing I'm gonna have to like, come to terms with if something like
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this comes to Mac OS. It's just like a strange, it's just like a strange thing to think about
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that like, there is another thing that's watching every website I go to every app that I open
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every conversation I have, like if I have a an iMessage conversation with someone and
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delete the iMessage thread, like, it's still gonna, we're going back to that thing we were
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talking about earlier, right? Like the photos thing, like it's just reappearing. Like there
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is just this like another memory. It gets weird. It's just like a, it's a thing that
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we haven't had before other than web browsing history. And we all got used to web browsing
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history. So I'm sure we'd all get used to this. But yeah, I think this is something that
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I would eventually much prefer the utility of than a creepy thing. But there is also
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just like, security concerns, right? Like, real ones that we'd have to seriously consider
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that if someone got access to your computer, they have everything, everything now. Complicated.
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Yeah, it's new realm, right? It's just like a new thing we'd have to get used to. And
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yeah, it makes me uncomfortable. But also, I like the idea of it. So like, if this came
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to Mac OS, I would turn it on. But I would still be a bit like, sometimes when I'm thinking
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about the feature, so. Sure. Man, WWBC, a couple weeks away. Who knows? They're not going to
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get to this level. They're not going to do this. They're not going to do this. I'm still
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excited about WWBC. I want to see what they've got. But I'm starting to lower my expectations
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because everything is rising. And they're not going to be at this level. They're not.
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Because Microsoft started doing all this stuff ages ago. If you want to find links to the
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stories we spoke about, they're in your podcast player. They're also in the information super
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highway exit that is relay.fm/connected/503. Pull over. Check out those links. I got in
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trouble halfway through that sentence. I didn't know. No, I liked it. It was all really good.
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Like that's how we should say like, every website is an exit on the information super
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highway. And you've always got to turn on to that exit when you want to go to a website.
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That's great. That's right. If you want to find Federico, turn down Mac stories lane
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over at a macstories.net. Lots of great stories over there. I'm sure they're gearing up for
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WWBC. You can find Mike on a bunch of other shows here on relay FM and you can swing by
01:23:10
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Cortex brand on your way home and get something for the kids. Kids need notebooks and pens,
01:23:15
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right? Yeah. On the way home. Yeah. Pick up something for the kids. And I like 512pixels.net,
01:23:20
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which is Steven's home because it actually sounds like an address. It does. 512 pixels.
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Yes. Yes. You can, uh, you can stop by, you know, get a glass of tea, read about Emacs.
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Visit for a while, you know? Come on y'all. Visit for a while. That's one of my favorite
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Southern phrases. Like someone visits. Like we're just going to visit. I like that. It's
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cute. It's going to visit. If the, uh, the information super highways is not your thing
01:23:48
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and maybe you want to go down the social media expressway, you can do that. We're on Mastodon
01:23:56
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as Vitichi, iMike and ISMH 86 as a, as our own threads. It's all the same usernames everywhere
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now. It's all unified. Very, very exciting. You guys sound excited. Some of us have done
01:24:12
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that a while ago. Some of us didn't have that problem, but yes, it's very exciting that
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we're all unified now. You know, you're thinking about unification. What do you think about
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the three of us having just one social media account? What do you think? We just share
01:24:28
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it? Y'all can log in as connected. No, but what, will you want us all sending all of
01:24:32
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our thoughts in the connected account? No, like we all just, we'll just use it. What
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would our name be? Sti, Sti-Mike-o? Sti-Mike-o. Yeah, he sounds like a fine gentleman. Didn't
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we do this before? Probably. We've definitely done this before, but yeah, I think that would
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be a good idea. I think the three of us should have one account and we just post everything
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from it. So like one day it would be like, look at this thing I wrote about a Mac pad
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and then next day we're like, look at this podcast that I did. And the next day it would
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be like, look at this calendar that I'm selling, you know, that could be us. You have to look
01:25:08
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at that photo in the discord. Yeah, I mean, that could be us. Like that would be us, like
01:25:12
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final form, you know, where Mike and I got face melded to each other. Yeah. On top of
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Federico's buddy. Yeah. Who doesn't want to be there. Thank you to our sponsors this week.
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get, you know, the, the bonus episode of Mac power users and vice versa. All the shows,
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we just recorded ours today and it will be out tomorrow on May 23rd for members that's
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in the crossover feed. So go check that out. I think, uh, I think, I think people enjoy
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what we did. Tell them we talked about Titanic. Mike's favorite movie, Federico's favorite
01:26:22
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movie. Mike's favorite movie of Federico's Mike's favorite movie. He saw this week. Yeah.
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Yes. We talked about Titanic. Uh, it sinks spoiler alert. Oh, why would you do that?
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So many people were just like, well, they didn't know. They didn't know. It happened
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a hundred and 15 years ago. Okay. That's it. We'll be back next week until then say goodbye.
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I do this cheerio. Bye y'all.