503: The King of Moderating
  
   
 
 
 
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     Hello and welcome to episode 503 of the Connected Podcast from Relay FM. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This episode is brought to you by NetSuite, Ecamm, 1Password and Fitbud. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My name is Mike Hurley and I have the pleasure of welcoming to the show Federico Vittucci. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello Mike, how are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's good to be back here, it's good to talk to you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm happy to be back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's good to talk to Steven. Hello Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello boys, it is good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're all together again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Which is nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mike, I hope you had a good time off. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And now we're back. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And that means we start with follow up. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You got to do, someone's got to do the sound, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     iOS 17.5.1 is out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This fixes an issue that it kind of fell between our episodes a little bit, where deleted pictures 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were reappearing for some users. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     A lot of people wrote the headlines of the iPhone is undeleting your nudes because obviously 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's what people are going to recognize immediately in their photo rolls that have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been deleted. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     If you took 17 pictures of your kids' soccer game and two show back up, you're not going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to notice that, but nudity pictures, you probably will. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Horrific bug. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really hope that everyone had to work late and over the weekend to fix this unexcusable, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it seems to be fixed in 17.5.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So good job. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I would like to call attention to this and one other thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So this bug happened. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We also had that thing a few weeks ago, which I spoke about on upgrade where a bunch of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple IDs got locked and had to reset the passwords, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Both of these things have come and gone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple's not saying anything about it because this photos thing, how did this happen? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I believe they need to answer this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, they do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because if I have deleted a photo, that photo should be gone, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Why does it still exist? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Where does it exist? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The photos that I have chosen to delete, that Apple tells me will be deleted after 30 days, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how did they come back? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How did that happen? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like there were reports where, I don't know if this is true or not, but there were reports 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I was reading that some people were getting photos from a previous device owner. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well that was like one report on Reddit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah I mean, you can't be sure of that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think that was a thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was enough to say that photos that were deleted were coming back and they were longer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than 30 days even. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So where and why are these photos being stored and how on earth did they come back again? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think there needs to be an explanation for this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You're right, you're totally right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I cannot believe Apple hasn't said anything about all that login reset stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But between the two, they need to have some sort of statement. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because like this is, it's serious. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean the nude headlines are one thing, but like all sorts of terrible things can happen 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when this comes up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it definitely raises the question in my mind as well, like does deleting not mean 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Like are these hanging out on a server somewhere? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are they still in my iCloud account just like hidden away somehow? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There needs to be an explanation around this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But if there hasn't been by now, probably won't be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because they've been pretty good recently at getting their statements out and these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are things that people are asking for comment on and they're not giving any. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's not what you think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not what you think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Deleting, it's not what you think. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's so good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's so good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     T.G., you are the king of moderating, not moderating. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Moderating, yes I'm moderating. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You are the king of moderation. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You better eke out the moderator. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You are the king of modifying, geez, iPads. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Moderatifying. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Moderatifying magic keyboards and iPads and Macs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're going to talk about MacPad 2.0 in a little while. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can you walk me through what's going on with this magic keyboard mod that's floating around? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, so I saw this post on Threads. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This person noticed that the magic keyboard felt more tippy when used on a desk compared 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the previous one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The problem is that the redesign hinge of the magic keyboard doesn't touch the desk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or like any flat surface when the keyboard is open and you're typing on your iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This person's solution, Chris Newman on Threads, was to just simply attach some clear silicon 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bumpers, like some clear rubber feet essentially, to the hinge and stabilize the keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     This is something that I also noticed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm going to do this mod myself, not exactly for this reason, but because the new hinge, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't like how it scratches my kitchen table because it's this flat aluminum bar on my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kitchen table. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My kitchen table is made of ceramic, so I don't want this thing to get the hinge to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be ruined by the texture of my kitchen table, so I'm just going to apply these clear plastic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bumpers, exactly like Chris did on Threads, to solve that problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, that's what I'm going to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a clever, simple mod that doesn't involve voiding any warranty for your magic keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I have something that I think you'll enjoy Federico, those little rubber guys. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     3M created a product like this and they call them bumpons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh my god, bumpons? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think you'd like that word, bumpons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     B-U-M-P-O-N, bumpon. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Bumpon, I can get them Friday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I know this because in keyboards this is what people just call them, so these are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very, this type of little rubber feet that they're all mechanical keyboards because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you don't want the metal on the desk and also it stops the keyboard from moving around. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so that's where I learned the term bumpons because I have a bunch of bumpons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Bumpons are great, I put them on everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What you are for those rolling squares, I am for bumpons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have them on tons of stuff in my house, things that go on kitchen counters and stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to stop them moving around like cutting boards and I'm bumping on everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I've used them to replace feet on computers I get into the collection because sometimes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those rubber feet are really sticky or they come off and what's great about them, you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can go to the hardware store and they come in all sorts of sizes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In clear or brown or black, round, square, it's a great technology. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     Listener Greg wrote in, in connected 502 Federico wondered why the body's default remedy to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     many situations is a throw up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Ah yes, yes I did. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If what you see doesn't seem to agree with your other senses, what your other senses 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are telling you about your motion, one thing that can cause this is ingesting something 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     The body simply decides to get rid of everything in case something in it is causing harm. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     There you go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay so this is like a natural reflex or something that the human body thinks that it ingested 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something and so it's like oh let me throw it up you know as a precaution. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Makes sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah you eat some some wild mushrooms in the forest and suddenly the ground starts moving. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah it's a good thing just to toss it overboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah I was recently talking to a friend. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     She relocated to New Zealand a few years ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like the typical story of like abandoning all of her belongings from her previous life. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     She's a couple of years younger than me and she tried to sell me on this idea that it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     actually good for you to micro dose on mushrooms. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like if you do it in small qualities it's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like yeah I'm not gonna do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean that's what they say. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's just like no it's actually great for your creativity. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like yeah thank you but no I'm not gonna do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I bet it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean you know a hyper card came out of an LSD trip so. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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     We should micro dose on mushrooms and see where it takes us. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe we should consider the mushrooms. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Can you imagine how funny this show would be if we were all on mushrooms? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Someone might cut a MacBook Air in half. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Someone might. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But in the other way it's not what you think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just like half of the screen off the keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or you know like I take the screen out of my studio display and like stick an iPad to 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's like the inverse of the Mac pad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want an OLED. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You just flip it around and you're just like you're reaching around and you're like touching 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the back you know and like what's happening on the front. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like perfect. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's the way it's going. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Speaking of micro dosing. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Speaking of being high. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Humane is looking for a buyer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is according to Mark Gurman at Bloomberg. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No they're going to need a big dose not a micro dose for this one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah they're going to need a big dose of money. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is the whole basket of mushrooms. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Tell us the price Mike. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Mark Gurman's reporting that they're trying to sell themselves so that they're engaging 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with financial middle people and they are looking for a price somewhere between 750 million 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to a billion. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Which look I mean the thing is if they're going to sell this is the kind of money they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     need because of how much money they've raised. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like we can make a lot of arguments as to whether they're worth that money. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not sure that they are. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They might have an amount of intellectual property that's interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know how you would value any of that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But this is like they need to return money to the people that invested in them right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like if they're going to sell it has to be for this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think someone will buy them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think someone will pay that amount of money. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I think they'll probably end up just like everyone just gets what they paid in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is probably like half a billion or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Someone's going to buy them I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah it's the world's most expensive laser. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's probably not true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that they are probably genuinely like interesting to some company because they did 
     
     
  
 
 
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     produce a piece of hardware that looked nice right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there aren't a lot of people that can do that I feel. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not surprised by this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Where else are they going to go? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's either this or it goes out of business probably right. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Realistically. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I made the joke to you guys earlier when we were talking about this in iMessage that if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was Tim Cook I would buy them and force them to work on the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what I would do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You said the iPhone SE. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did say the iPhone SE specifically because it's the least exciting iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sorry iPhone SE users. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You see I didn't want to say that because I didn't want the follow up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah that's what I would do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'd be like you had a lot to say about the smartphone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Get back to work on the smartphone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what I would do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:56
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     Steven did you make a decision about your social media username yet? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:12:04
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     I am @therealmikehurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:06
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     Please stand up. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:12:10
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     Mike Hurley official. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:12
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     Mom's spaghetti. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:14
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     /therealmikehurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:16
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     You're a liar. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:12:23
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     Yeah I'm just sticking with ismh86. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:12:29
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     Oh so you've gone everywhere now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:12:34
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     I don't know if I said this on the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:36
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     But you can't just change a Mastodon username. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:40
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     Which is bogus Mastodon fetaverse people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:44
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     It's not surprising though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:45
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     You have to think about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:46
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     ► 
     You have to create a new account and then you can migrate the account. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:50
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     But the migration only moves your followers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:54
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     ► 
     So people who follow you will follow your new account. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:57
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     ► 
     You have to export a CSV and then import it to your new account to have people you follow 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:02
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     ► 
     come over to your new account. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:04
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     ► 
     Why is that not in the migration? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:06
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     ► 
     And there's no way to move your contents like all your old posts just go away. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:09
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     Which is fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:10
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     I don't care. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:11
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     ► 
     But it's very complicated. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:13
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     ► 
     And this is now the second time I've done it because I went from mastodon.social to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:16
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     ► 
     eWorld.social and now this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:19
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     ► 
     And it's kind of a pain. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:23
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     But you know open web. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:24
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     What are you going to do? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:26
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     It's fun to search for you right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:27
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     ► 
     Yeah there's probably six of me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:29
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     ► 
     There's so many Stevens. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:31
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     ► 
     So I have a couple of questions for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:34
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     ► 
     Did you say that you lose the posts or you keep the posts? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:36
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     ► 
     You lose them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:37
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     ► 
     Well they don't move to your new account so they're effectively gone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:42
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     ► 
     Oh because also when I search for you I find the threads version of you as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:46
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     ► 
     Yeah because I have that federated and that is actually broken at the moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:53
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     ► 
     So I went to the threads interface. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:54
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     ► 
     It was like oh I changed what account I need to go to. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:58
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     ► 
     So I turned it off and you can't turn it back on for like 30 days. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:03
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     ► 
     Makes sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:04
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     ► 
     Because you don't want to federate too hard. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:05
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     ► 
     So it is not federating right now but it will again because I think that's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:13
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     Mums fed-getty. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:14:20
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     Fed-averse-getty. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:21
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     ► 
     So yeah I don't you know it's not my favorite thing in the world but it's done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:29
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     ► 
     So it's done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:31
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     ► 
     So let this be a lesson to you and everyone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:34
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     ► 
     Don't delete accounts on social media right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:38
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     ► 
     If you want to take a break delete the app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:40
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     ► 
     Don't delete the account because then you end up in this scenario you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:45
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     ► 
     I think it's rare that somebody changes a username to add numbers but Steven had to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:49
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     ► 
     do it so don't delete accounts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:52
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     ► 
     Don't do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:53
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     ► 
     I was mad because Instagram got bought and rage quit and I should have just. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:57
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     ► 
     Now look at you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:58
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     ► 
     And that's what I do with my Twitter account. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:01
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     ► 
     It's just like locked and private. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:03
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     ► 
     Yeah my Twitter account is just like a ghost. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:07
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     ► 
     It really is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:09
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     ► 
     I think I even changed my profile to black and white to make it look like I'm dead. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:15:15
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     ► 
     I did that on Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:16
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     ► 
     I have this thing if I ever see a black and white photo of someone I've immediately assumed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:20
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     ► 
     that they've died. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:15:22
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     ► 
     Do you ever feel this? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:15:24
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     ► 
     Like if you're on Instagram if someone posts a black and white photo of someone I'm like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:26
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     ► 
     oh no they're dead. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:27
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     ► 
     That's my initial thought. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:29
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     ► 
     I don't like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:30
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     ► 
     I just went to Twitter because I was gonna look at my account. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:32
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     ► 
     It redirected to x.com and one password doesn't work because all my URLs saved in one password 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:38
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     ► 
     are for twitter.com not x.com. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:41
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     ► 
     I'll just never log in again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:42
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     ► 
     Yeah whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:44
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     ► 
     I did not change my account by going on it right now but what I find so funny right now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:48
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     ► 
     is you go to like a Twitter page and you very quickly see it and then they pop up a thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:52
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     ► 
     that says log in and I find that so funny like it's so broken. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:55
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     ► 
     It is so broken. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:15:59
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     Rest in peace. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we should talk about headphones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:36
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     ► 
     There's always a new headphone king in town, maybe? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:40
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     ► 
     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:41
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     ► 
     Sonos, they have officially unveiled their widely speculated and previously rumored and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:47
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     ► 
     shown on a bunch of websites, Sonos Ace headphones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:51
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     ► 
     These are over-ear wireless headphones that look pretty good, I would say. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:58
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     ► 
     They are reminiscent of the AirPods Max in some ways, the design of the headband and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:05
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     ► 
     the arms and the removable magnetic cups that you can remove and replace whenever you want. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:15
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     ► 
     They have, of course, some unique integrations with the Sonos ecosystem. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:20
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     ► 
     I will leave you to...there's a bunch of videos that you can go check out, but I think Chris 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:25
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     ► 
     Welch's first look on the verge is a pretty good one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:29
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     ► 
     Chris is the headphone guy on the verge. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:33
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     ► 
     Excellent coverage all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:34
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     ► 
     He's also been breaking news about these products for their entire existence. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:40
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     ► 
     It's very funny that they do continue. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:43
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     ► 
     You know what I like about Sonos, actually, is they continue to give this access to Chris. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:48
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     ► 
     And Chris is the key person posting the leaks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:53
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     I respect that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:54
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     ► 
     I respect that about a company. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:58
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     ► 
     This person is like, they are on your beat, but he's still there in the press events. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:03
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     I respect that about Sonos. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:05
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     ► 
     More companies should be like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:07
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     ► 
     So, yeah, these headphones, they have...so the first unique integration is, of course, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:14
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     ► 
     the support for private listening. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:17
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     ► 
     So if you're at home and you have Sonos soundbars or other Sonos equipment... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:23
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     ► 
     Just Sonos soundbars. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:24
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     ► 
     Just Sonos soundbars, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:25
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     ► 
     Yeah, just Sonos soundbars. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:27
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     ► 
     You can put on your headphones and you can sort of transfer the audio from the soundbar 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:32
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     ► 
     to the headphones if you want to join in and just listen in using your headphones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:38
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     ► 
     They have these...what's the name of the button that they have? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:42
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     ► 
     The content button? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:44
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     ► 
     The content key. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:45
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     ► 
     Content key. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:46
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     ► 
     Yeah, the content key, which is this metal slider that you can use to adjust volume and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:51
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     ► 
     press to play and pause, as well as to long press if you want to beam the audio from the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:56
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     ► 
     TV to the headphones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:59
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     ► 
     They look pretty good, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:02
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     ► 
     They're not made of aluminum as the AirPods Max. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:06
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     ► 
     They have a really cool-looking case that also uses magnets to line up the different 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:12
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     ► 
     parts that you need to store and carry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:15
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     ► 
     I'm not gonna buy this, but we do have a long time at this point, Sonos customer, the real 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:24
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     Mike Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:26
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     ► 
     What do you think about these Sonos headphones? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:30
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     ► 
     I think that it's interesting, the decisions that they made. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:34
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     ► 
     I think they made the right decisions, though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:39
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     ► 
     These headphones do not integrate with the Sonos system that you would be used to as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:44
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     ► 
     a Sonos customer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:46
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     ► 
     So you can't be listening to something on Sonos speakers and then have that music also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:55
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     ► 
     playing the headphones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:56
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     ► 
     It doesn't work like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:58
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     ► 
     These are Bluetooth headphones, first and foremost, and then they have the one integration 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:02
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     ► 
     with the Sonos system, which is if you have, at the moment, it's just their most expensive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:07
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     ► 
     soundbar but they're gonna be bringing it to their other soundbars where you can do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:10
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     ► 
     this thing of like, "I'm watching something on TV and now I can just bring that audio 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:21:16
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     ► 
     These are fully featured headphones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:19
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     ► 
     They've got Dolby Atmos and surround sound and they say they have best in class noise 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:26
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     ► 
     cancellation, they have transparency mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:29
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     ► 
     So if you are a Sonos customer, it's weird because here's a Sonos product that doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:34
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     ► 
     work like a Sonos product, but I actually think this was the right decision because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:38
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     ► 
     I think it would have been weirder to be like, "Here's a pair of headphones and you can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:42
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     ► 
     only listen to them in your house." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:44
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     ► 
     That would have been very strange as a product to exist. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:48
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     ► 
     So I think that this is a smart product of like, what I hope that they have done here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:52
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     ► 
     is we have made an excellent pair of headphones that are Bluetooth headphones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:56
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     ► 
     You can listen to them on your phone, your iPad, when you're traveling, and then it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:03
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     ► 
     may bring more people into the Sonos ecosystem, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:06
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     ► 
     Where they're like, "I really like these, what else do they do?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:09
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     ► 
     So that might be a thing that we see more of. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:12
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     ► 
     For me, I am obviously very intrigued about this product because I am a big fan of Sonos' 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:19
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     ► 
     We spoke about it in the pro show, but I know there's this big controversy about the app 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:24
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     ► 
     The app is fine for me because I don't use the features that are missing and I actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:29
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     ► 
     like the new design. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:32
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     ► 
     And I'm intrigued about these headphones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:34
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     ► 
     I'm very intrigued to see the full reviews, like how good is the noise cancellation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:38
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     ► 
     But really what I want, what would be best for me is I want AirPods Max 2. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:44
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     That's what I want. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:46
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     Because what I want is all of the stuff that's in my AirPods Pro, but in my AirPods Max. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:51
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     ► 
     I want active transparency, I want USB-C, I want voice, like conversation detection, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:59
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     ► 
     like I want all that stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:00
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     ► 
     And that's obviously not what the Sonos has because that's Apple stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:04
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     ► 
     So I'm just going to sit hoping and waiting for the AirPods Max 2 because I don't want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:11
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     ► 
     to buy two sets of $400 headphones within like a year or whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:16
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     ► 
     And I would say the AirPods Max, they are still excellent headphones, even though they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:21
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     ► 
     miss a bunch of features. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:22
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     ► 
     But they are still super good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:24
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     ► 
     So if I didn't have any of these and I was maybe making a decision about a pair of headphones 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to buy, I could see myself making this decision based on how good or not the reviews are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:34
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     ► 
     But I would struggle to replace my AirPods Max of these when if AirPods Max 2 come, which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:41
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     ► 
     I do think they still will, then I would want those more, I reckon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:47
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     ► 
     But these are, this is an interesting product. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:49
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     ► 
     I think they've done a, I think this, you know, looks way more compelling as a version 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:55
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     ► 
     one product than you would expect a version one product to be, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:59
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     Just like the overall finish of these look really, really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, I agree. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mike, you have an iPad Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Tell us about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So I love my iPad Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:09
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     I have an 11 inch iPad Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've had it since Saturday and I am enamored by this product. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am excited to use it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It makes me happy to use it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is a feeling that comes along not every time that I have a new Apple product, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, like recently, like obviously the vision pro cause it was all brand new, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I think about something like the iPhone 12, no 14. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What was the one that went flat sides? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     No, I think it was the 12. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So that one was like, Oh, I loved that phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And I think about it, like this is so nice and new in its way or, um, even to an L to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a point that the 15 because of the lightness, but not, it didn't have as much. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or I think about something like Apple watch ultra, which is like the first Apple watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in many years and, or the, uh, the M2 MacBook air, because like there are these devices 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that take these big leaps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And for me coming from an iPad mini huge leap, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, and as well, like the last iPad pro that I used was a 2020 iPad pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:22
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     So the best screen technology I had was promotion. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:26
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     I never had many LEDs. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:27
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     So going to an OLED is fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:29
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     All of the new pencil stuff is incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:32
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     I found last night that if you use, you know, I still, now I'm using an iPad pro again, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:37
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     I'm using my Apple pencil was for navigation as well as I am for like scribbling around, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:41
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     but they added a little haptic for if you long press on stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:46
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     So if you long press on stuff, the pencil clicks, it's like, great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:49
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     I love that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:51
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     So these little details are just fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:53
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     I love, I love the new smart folio. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:56
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     The fact that I can put it in different orientations, it's a little fiddly, but it does the job. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:01
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     Um, yeah, this, I think this iPad is fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:04
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     I'm super, super happy with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:06
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     And you know, I spoke about this upgrade, but like, I don't have any real desire to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:11
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     use my iPad for more than what Apple wants you to use an iPad for. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:15
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     And like, this is no shade on any friends of mine, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:18
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     Like I have, I have lived that life. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:20
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     You're talking about me? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:21
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     You have a problem? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:22
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     I don't know anyone, you know, Steven maybe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:24
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     But I've been in those trenches. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:27
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     I lived that life, but now I just, I use my iPad for content consumption and I'm very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:34
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     happy with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:35
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     And this one is like, it's fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:38
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     It's fantastic because it's all content looks and feels better on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:42
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     So thin, super light. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:43
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     ► 
     Like I'm still having, I pick it up and I'm like, man, that's so light. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:47
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     ► 
     Yeah, this is just for me, an incredible product and I'm very happy with it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:26:52
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     ► 
     Um, you know that Apple pencil squeezes never worked for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:57
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     Have you adjusted the sensitivity? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:27:03
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     What I mean is that I go in settings and I assign, run a shortcut as an action for the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:27:12
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     Then I back out of that page, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:16
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     I go to the previous screen and it says squeeze turned off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:21
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     I opened the setting again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:22
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     I say, when I squeeze run a shortcut, then I go back and it says off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:28
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     And so I rebooted my iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:30
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     I installed 17.5.1. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:33
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     I try it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:34
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     It's like the setting doesn't stick for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:38
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     ► 
     Like, so the squeezes currently useless on my iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:42
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     ► 
     Have you played around with it without the shortcut? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:27:45
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     Like just, just in the notes and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:48
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     Why would I? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:49
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     ► 
     I guarantee you it's shortcuts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:50
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     ► 
     I can barely hold the pencil in my hands. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:52
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     ► 
     Like I don't even know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:53
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     ► 
     Like yesterday I had to fill out a form using a pen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:55
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     I was like, do I even know how to write anymore? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:28:00
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     Well, I like it, but if it didn't work for me, I would also, I would be unhappy, you 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:28:09
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     So hopefully it'll get fixed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:10
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     That's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:11
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     I apologize, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:28:14
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     I'm just kidding. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:15
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     Put Mac OS on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:16
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     ► 
     No, I'm just kidding. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:28:18
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     Steven, have you kept yours? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:28:23
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     I got to say as a listener of the show last week, just a great moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:26
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     ► 
     Just a great moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:27
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     ► 
     That was a classic Steven moment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:29
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     When Steven announced that he had an iPad, which I knew was going to happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:34
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     ► 
     Like I was very confident it was going to happen, but it was beautiful the way it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:38
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     unveiled to the world. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:40
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     ► 
     Federico had asked me before we hit record, I just didn't answer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:43
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     ► 
     I just talked about something else. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:46
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     ► 
     What is that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:47
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     ► 
     We're talking about it on the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:48
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     I was like, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:28:50
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     Talk about it on the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:51
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     ► 
     What about your iPad mini, Mike? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:52
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     ► 
     Is it, is it going to be jettisoned to a family member or. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:57
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     ► 
     I think it's going to have to be, I'm giving it a little bit more time because what I thought 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:02
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     ► 
     I would want to keep it for is for reading comics at night because the screen is so small 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:07
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     and the products are so small. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:08
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     ► 
     It makes it very easy to hold, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:10
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     Like the 11 inch while thin and light is still bigger, you know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:13
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     And it's like, it makes it a bit more cumbersome, but the screen is just so much better. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:29:19
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     ► 
     So like the comics I'm reading look better on an OLED screen than the, I would say sub 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:25
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     ► 
     par LCD screen of the iPad mini. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:30
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     ► 
     It's not as good as the other iPads. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:33
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     ► 
     And so I keep looking at that mini and I'm like, I love you little guy, but I'm just 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:29:39
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     ► 
     I don't think I can do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:41
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     Like I think I've got to go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:42
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     ► 
     You had a good time together. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:43
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     ► 
     I think I've got to go with the 11 inch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:44
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     ► 
     Now it's time to move on. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:29:47
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     ► 
     We had a great time together, me and Patrick. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:48
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     ► 
     Like we had a wonderful love affair, but I think it's time to move on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:53
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     Love affair you would say? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:29:56
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     ► 
     I'm going to let go of my short king and I'm going for a tall guy now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:59
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     ► 
     Looking for some, something else. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:02
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     ► 
     I wonder what you were going to say there, Stephen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:04
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     I just, no, I just stopped. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:05
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     I just stopped. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:06
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     ► 
     You just immediately just jettisoned out of that one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:09
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     ► 
     What have you done? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:10
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     ► 
     You don't have the magic keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:11
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     You're just using the smart folio. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:14
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     ► 
     I got a smart folio in denim. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:18
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     ► 
     It's a useless color, but it's, it's nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:21
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     ► 
     Like, and I think, I think it was an upgrade. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:24
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     ► 
     Jason says something that blew my mind. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:25
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     It was like, I keep my iPad pro in the folio and then I put it in the magic keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:30
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     ► 
     Do I need the keyboard? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:31
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     ► 
     And I've always used mine the other way around. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:33
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     ► 
     And so I'm going to give that a try. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:35
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     ► 
     I'm going to leave the magic keyboard at my desk, like in the drawer, and then when it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:39
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     ► 
     time to like take it someplace to a meeting or something, or when, you know, do a little 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:44
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     ► 
     light email or something on it, then, uh, then slap it in the keyboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:48
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     ► 
     See how that goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:30:50
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     Cause it doesn't feel drastically thinner with the magic keyboard on it compared to the old 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:30:55
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     ► 
     It is, but the smart folio really makes it feel thinner. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:58
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     That's a good idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:59
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     Keeping it because I've also been like, now that you mentioned it, I've also been doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:03
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     it the other way around. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:04
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     ► 
     Like it's always in the magic keyboard and I've been keeping like the smart folio usually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:08
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     ► 
     on my nightstand because that's what I want to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:10
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     Like non-work things on the iPad at night, like watch a movie or play a video game or 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:16
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     ► 
     But I am intrigued by thinking about it the other way around actually. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:21
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     Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:23
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     Uh, it's a good iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico, we've all been holding our breath, waiting to see what you were going to do with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:02
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     ► 
     the Mac pad with the new iPad Pro out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:06
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     ► 
     I know you went to the 13 inch this time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:09
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     ► 
     You have a story on Mac stories about some of this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:12
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     ► 
     How's that gone? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:13
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     ► 
     Are you liking it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:14
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     ► 
     How's the OLED life with the Mac pad? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:17
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     It's incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:18
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     ► 
     OLED looks really, really nice on Mac OS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:23
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     ► 
     Being the iPad Pro ready for the Mac pad was like a 10 minute deal. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:26
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     ► 
     I just, I knew that I was going to have to get, that I needed to get like this back cover 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:33
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     ► 
     that I had to cut just like I did with the previous one, attach three magnets to it and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:39
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     ► 
     then it was good to go because like the MacBook was already, of course, half of the MacBook 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:46
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     ► 
     was already good to go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:47
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     ► 
     I just needed to prepare the mounting system, which will be the back cover on the iPad with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:52
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     ► 
     three magnets lined up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:54
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     ► 
     And yeah, there was a 10 minute deal and I just ran my shortcut to enable sidecar and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:00
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     there it was, Mac OS on OLED, which looks fantastic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:04
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     ► 
     I mean, the wallpapers look especially good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:07
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     ► 
     And even like something that Jason mentioned in his review of the iPad Pro, which is you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:11
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     ► 
     can tell the quality of OLED even just by looking at things like black text on a white 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:34:17
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     ► 
     Like, I also noticed that on Mac OS with like the names of folders and files in Finder when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:25
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     ► 
     you're using light mode, like I can tell that the black color of the text is crisper and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:31
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     darker than before, which is nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:35
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     ► 
     And yeah, then, then like, I guess the more interesting part of this experiment, which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:40
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     ► 
     is something that I'm still working on, is something that is still a bit of a work in 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:34:47
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     ► 
     And that is, so in this current version of the Mac pad, when I detach the screen, so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:53
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     ► 
     when I grab the iPad, the iPad, I only have a back cover for it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:00
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     ► 
     It doesn't have a front anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:04
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     And I was thinking about this and I realized, well, it's not convenient. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it works as a mounting system, but then I don't have a folio anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's just the back because the front I cut with a knife. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I started thinking, is there a way that I can actually keep the best of both 
     
     
  
 
 
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     worlds, which would be attach the iPad as a screen for the Mac pad, but also when I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     detach it, I can have a folio that does all the things that folio does, which is there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a front cover and you can fold it and you can prop it up on your lap or on a desk or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can use it to type in landscape or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I started playing around with these ideas and I had a first version based on a mod for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Apple Smart Folio. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:56
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     I attached three magnets to the front of the Smart Folio and I realized that if I fold 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the folio in a particular way, which is different from the default one, there was a way to attach, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:11
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     there's a photo on Mac stories that shows what I mean. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:15
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     There was a way to attach the folio without cutting anything to the Mac pad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:22
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     But when I did that, I noticed that the iPad would tilt backwards because that folded section, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:32
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     the iPad essentially became a lever and it would cause that folded section to, well, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     unfold because of the weight. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:41
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     So I put together this very ugly, I gotta say it's very ugly, it works, but it's ugly, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:50
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     prototype that uses a Velcro strip to keep that folded section together. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:57
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     And so go check out the photos because it's easier to see in practice what I mean. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This solution works and I've been using it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a way to keep a working Smart Folio that when you detach the iPad from the MacBook, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:15
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     it's still a Smart Folio that you can fold, that you can close on top of the iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:19
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     I don't love this first version because I used magnets that are too big, so I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:28
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     do a second revision with smaller magnets and also I used too much Velcro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:35
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     I tried, as I mentioned in the story, I tried replacing Velcro with micro suction tape. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:40
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     It doesn't work because the weight of the iPad is too much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:46
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     So I will need to use Velcro again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:48
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     ► 
     Maybe I can find a thinner Velcro, but for sure I gotta use less of it because I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:54
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     a little too concerned in this first take on this experiment and I used too much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:01
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     And so in the second revision, if I can find a thinner Velcro, that would be ideal, but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:08
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     also use less of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:10
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     The Velcro is to kind of hold the cover of the Smart Cover out of the way basically, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:38:19
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     ► 
     So if you take a look at the photos, when the front part of the cover folds on itself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:27
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     ► 
     and I attach it to the magnets, without the Velcro, the iPad would tilt backwards. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:34
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     ► 
     The magnets need to be stuck to the rigid part of the Smart Cover, which goes on the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:38:43
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     So that part, because of the weight of the iPad, it's because the iPad in that configuration 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:46
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     is very top heavy, so the top part of the iPad would push the cover backwards and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:54
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     ► 
     the Velcro acts as a resistance in the bottom section. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:58
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     ► 
     And so even though there's weight, the Velcro keeps it together. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:03
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     ► 
     This is where I'm probably going to need Dr. Drang to design a magnet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:07
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     ► 
     You need a structural engineer at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:09
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     ► 
     I need an engineer to take care of this for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:11
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     ► 
     So Dr, if you're listening, hit me with any tips as long as it doesn't involve any equations. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:17
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     ► 
     But yeah, I'm liking this a lot. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:39:22
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     ► 
     Go check out the pictures. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:25
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     ► 
     And that's... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:26
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     Yeah, I've been using it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:29
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     ► 
     It's lovely with OLED. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:31
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     ► 
     It works amazingly well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:32
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     ► 
     And yeah, the MacPad lives on, even with the new iPad Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:38
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     ► 
     It looks much better with the 13 inch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:41
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     ► 
     It's much more visually balanced than before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:44
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     ► 
     Mike saw the original version in real life and it looked funny with the 11 inch iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:39:50
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     ► 
     Now it looks much better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:51
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     ► 
     So yeah, go MacPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:39:54
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     ► 
     It's kind of the beauty of this product, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that you can update it component by component. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:40:02
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     Imagine that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:03
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     ► 
     I'm just so curious to say, naked robotic core. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:05
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     ► 
     That's right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:06
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     ► 
     It's like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:07
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     ► 
     I don't think he was talking about cutting a MacBook Air in half, but... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:09
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     ► 
     I mean, it's more naked if you're cutting the screen off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:13
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     ► 
     It's more naked than it was previously. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:14
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     ► 
     It's more something. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:16
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     ► 
     I feel like say that you want to update to an M4 MacBook Air or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:21
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     ► 
     And they were like, yeah, you can do these things separately. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:24
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     ► 
     That's pretty cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:40:27
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     ► 
     Or maybe a Co-Pilot plus Windows PC. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:28
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     ► 
     You know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:29
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     ► 
     Oh, we can talk about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:30
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     ► 
     We're going to get to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:33
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     ► 
     Don't you worry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:34
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     ► 
     You can do anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:35
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     ► 
     You can do anything now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:36
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     ► 
     We're going to get to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:37
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     ► 
     You put a Surface on top of the MacBook. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:39
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     ► 
     It's like, you're free. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:42
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     ► 
     I know, Federico, you've spoken about macOS being usable on the 11-inch display when you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:48
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     ► 
     in that mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:50
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     ► 
     But is it better, noticeably better on the 13? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:53
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     ► 
     I mean, yes, it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:54
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     ► 
     It absolutely is. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:56
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     ► 
     It's a traditional computer display. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:59
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     ► 
     It was fine before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:00
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     ► 
     Like, I remember being a huge fan of the 11-inch MacBook Air a decade ago or something when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:05
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     ► 
     it was around. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:06
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     ► 
     What a beautiful time that was, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:07
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     ► 
     Great computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:08
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     ► 
     They should do one again, but they won't. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:11
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     ► 
     So it was usable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:13
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     ► 
     It's obviously much better on the 13. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:17
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     ► 
     It makes more sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:18
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     ► 
     And, yeah, the window sizes, they're more comfortable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:22
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     ► 
     The dock is the proper size. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:25
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     ► 
     Like, everything makes more sense on the 13-inch. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:41:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     They've sold Macs smaller than that now, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:32
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     ► 
     You are now fully in MacBook-size screen territory. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We spoke last week a lot about OpenAI's announcements and commented that the voice sounded a little 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:08
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     ► 
     familiar and turns out that they done goofed or committed a crime. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:15
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     ► 
     That's a way to say it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:16
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     Done goofed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:17
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     ► 
     Would you mind if I give my attempt at an abridged version of the chain of events? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:44:25
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     ► 
     OpenAI had a voice named Sky. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:27
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     ► 
     This voice predated the GPT-4O launch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:31
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     ► 
     It was one of the pre-selected voices that you can have because they've had the voice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:35
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     ► 
     thing for a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     This voice sounded an awful lot like Scarlett Johansson, essentially referencing her role 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in the movie, her where she plays a voice AI. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:49
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     ► 
     During the launch of GPT-4O, they spent a lot more time with the voice stuff than they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:57
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     ► 
     had previously. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     It's actually the entire presentation really, talking to and hearing it talk back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:08
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     ► 
     They were also showing off improvements that they were making to the voice technology to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:12
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     ► 
     make it sound more real like breath and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:18
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     ► 
     Lots of people also recognise the voice similarities to Johansson. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:22
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     ► 
     They were like, "Oh, this sounds just like her. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:25
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     ► 
     It was in media." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:26
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     ► 
     There was an SNL joke about it, which is particularly funny because the person who said the joke 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is Scarlett's husband, Colin Jost. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:39
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     ► 
     OpenAI will get lots of questions about this because it's like, "Hey, this sounds like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that very famous actress who was in that movie." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Sam Altman tweeted the word "her" after the presentation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     OpenAI took the voice down after receiving lots of questions about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:00
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     ► 
     Then Scarlett Johansson released a statement. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Should I read the statement? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Last September, I received an offer from Sam Altman who wanted to hire me to voice the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:12
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     ► 
     current ChatGPT 4.0 system. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So I've read this initially and thought, "Was that written wrong? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:19
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     ► 
     Did that mean 4.0?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I was like, "No, actually that's GPT 4." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:23
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     ► 
     Which is when they brought the voice in and also last September. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:28
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     ► 
     He told me that he felt that by voicing the system, I could bridge the gap between tech 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     companies and creatives and help consumers to feel comfortable with the seismic shift 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     concerning humans and AI. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     He said he felt that my voice would be comforting to people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:41
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     ► 
     After much consideration and for personal reasons, I declined the offer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:45
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     ► 
     9 months later, my friends, family and the general public all noted how much the newest 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:50
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     ► 
     system named Sky sounded like me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:54
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     ► 
     When I heard the release demo, I was shocked, angered and disbelief that Mr Altman would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:58
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     ► 
     pursue a voice that sounded so eerily similar to mine that my closest friends and news outlets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     could not tell the difference. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Mr Altman even insinuated that the similarity was intentional to eating a single word "her", 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:08
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     ► 
     a reference to the film in which I voiced the chat system Samantha who forms an intimate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:12
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     ► 
     relationship with a human. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:14
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     ► 
     Two days before the chat GPT 4.0 demo was released, but Mr Altman contacted my agent 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     asking me to reconsider. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Before we would reconnect, the system was out there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     As a result of their actions, I was forced to hire legal counsel who wrote two letters 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to Mr Altman and OpenAI, setting out what they had done and asking them to detail the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     exact process by which they recreated the Sky voice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Consequently, OpenAI reluctantly agreed to take down the Sky voice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     In a time when we were all grappling with deep fakes and the protection of our own likeness, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:48
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     our own work, our own identities and I believe there are questions that deserve absolute 
     
     
  
 
 
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     clarity, I look forward to resolution in the form of transparency in the passage of appropriate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     legislation to help ensure that individual rights are protected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All time great statement, once again Scarlett Johansson is out there sticking it to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     big companies, don't forget she sued Disney and won. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think they settled but nevertheless she was right in what she was doing at the time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     than she is right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     OpenAI are saying that this is a coincidence and that it is another voice actor who just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so happens to sound like Scarlett Johansson. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which I just believe is a lie. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of these things is a lie. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Either it's a lie that it is a voice actor who just so happens to sound like her or what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I honestly think is happening is this is a synthetic voice that they created, trained 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on her voice. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know if you two had experienced it all but I have access to GPT 4.0 and so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can talk to it and the voice is still good but not as good and my voice was set 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the sky voice and when I was on vacation I wanted to see how Adina would talk to it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because she's not going to be kind to the machine where I might be in that way, she 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was just asking it questions where I might let things go or phrase things in such a way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I know I'm talking to a computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     She had a conversation with it for a couple of minutes and was asking it advice about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what we could do on our trip. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It just sounded like her. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't believe for a second that this is a coincidence because it sounded just like 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So that's kind of the news as it is so far. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The really damning part in my mind is that they contacted her agent two days before the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     This is like when my kids were younger and you come in and there's like a mess in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kitchen or in their room like hey did you make this mess you're the only one here like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no I don't know who made this mess like well you did you're just lying to me very transparently 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I mean as bad as this is and this is pretty bad really bad and boy to your point Mike 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they mess with the wrong person I would not want to be on the other end of Scarlett Johansson's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lawyers but this is yet another example of this company and probably other companies 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in this field using information that's not theirs to build their products right remember 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the thing a couple of weeks ago when their CTO was asked if Sora was was trained on YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
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     video YouTube videos and there's like it's not an answer like well yeah of course it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was oh we trained different things we found on the internet yeah like the youtube.com 
     
     
  
 
 
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     website this is the same to me the same sort of we can do whatever we want get out of our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way that I find increasingly distasteful from this company and it just they they think they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can just do whatever they want to get away with it like I don't they may not in this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     case but it is it is really gross well they don't care right that it's this is their attitude 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess it's just we're the cool guys and and we are changing the tech industry we can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do whatever we want which I think it's a that's a very toxic attitude honestly like just disregarding 
     
     
  
 
 
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     completely I mean getting in touch with her agent two days before and yeah just going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ahead because hey what's what what are they gonna do to us you know like we have billions 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of dollars what like I really dislike everything about this honestly. The thing that like I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think annoys me the most is the stupidity of it like you didn't need to do any of this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it would have been fine you know like none of these things had to happen you you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     didn't need to get Scarlett Johansson anyway like you didn't need to get her voice right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like it doesn't matter it could just be any voice why does it need to be the voice from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the movie which I know this is like an old joke at this point but like that movie ends 
     
     
  
 
 
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     real bad like I don't understand why you want to make that connection so much and also why 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like Altman thinks that like her like the her voice would be the right thing to bridge 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the gap like that doesn't make any sense. Yeah you missed the message of the film. Yes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and like I just GPT 4.0 is really impressive no one cares now right this is completely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     overshadowed it and so like all of these people inside of open AI have done the work that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they've done to make this technology. Well there's fewer people than there used to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     did you see like the flood of people leaving in the wake of the demos? Yeah I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about all of that like I don't really know I heard about a couple of executives left 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right I don't know about anybody else personally but like yeah some of it was some of the people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     behind the coup like the the other executive that was part of that yeah and then some people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     apparently on the product safety team left as well. Okay I mean like I don't know what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that was all in relation to I think that might just be like the fallout of the coup. Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah my point was just all the people working there and I was just like well there's fewer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people than there used to be I don't think there was like a Scarlett Johansson protest 
     
     
  
 
 
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     within the company. Okay I was sorry I wasn't sure if that was what what you what you meant 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:38
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     but like all of these people did this work and like now it kind of doesn't matter right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's all just because of the the idiocy of Altman in this scenario right it's just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:49
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     like why even do any of this like what are you doing like you should be doing everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you possibly can to make people warm up to your company. Yeah. Because people are rightly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:02
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     so really hesitant of this right and like this is like this era of technology has promise 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:12
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     there are interesting things that are going on but there's also a lot of really unsettling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:18
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     things that are going on you don't need to add to the unsettling by doing things that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't even make any sense like why would you do this? I want to read a quick quote from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Casey Newton a platformer. It's narrative about so open AI's narrative about the Johansson 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:36
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     debacle is essentially that its chief executive slipped on a series of banana peels over the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     last nine months until they were trapped in an uncanny valley between one of the world's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     most famous actresses and another actress whom it declines to name who sounds just like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     her. For me it's the slipped on a series of banana peels thing where it's just like whoa 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't mean to do any of this like it's all just so happened to occur like it's just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:00
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     so stupid and juvenile it's like you're supposed to be in charge of this massive company just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     act like an adult. And if you hired somebody else to have that person come out and make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:11
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     a statement and it all goes away or it gets better at least. Like I'm sorry like to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:17
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     look the idea of like we're protecting this person's privacy that doesn't hold water with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:22
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     no that feels like the kind of thing you would say when you're trying to protect the fact 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that nobody exists. Like what is the like what what's the issue here like voice actors 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:34
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     all the time they're accredited well you can't credit this one what's the what's the concern 
     
     
  
 
 
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     around this like I don't I don't understand what that concern is. Yeah we know who did 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the original Siri voice like you know come on. To me that it just feels like we're trying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to hide this. I mean look I don't know what scholar Janssen's move is going to be I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know if she's going to try and file a lawsuit if she does and if she's successful to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I think she has the ability to do it. Oh yeah. And maybe we'll find out the answer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's going to be a long way in the future and maybe people won't care about it anymore 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:04
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     but I think she's done a great job here of kind of exposing them I think done very well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:10
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     to be honest I think she's she's kind of crushed it but it just it just disappoints me it disappoints 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me and then I think about what are we four weeks away from from Sam Altman maybe appearing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at WWDC. Hey everyone I made a new voice it's called Tim. It's called Tom. It's called Tom. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I always wonder what happens at Microsoft when these sorts of things happen right Microsoft 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:44
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     has put a lot of money in this company a lot of their co-pilot stuff which we're talking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about next powered by this during the coup they offered Sam Altman a job and he turned 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it down to go back to the company that tried it I'll see him like I want to know everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about that relationship but you know someone at Microsoft like when this news broke they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just they just slammed their head into their desk. Yeah I think they kind of expect it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:10
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     from them now though like I don't know how much you've you to follow this but like Microsoft 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:16
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     is buying up more AI companies like they're essentially building within Microsoft a team 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:21
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     where they can just plug them in yeah get rid of open AI as they should they should 
     
     
  
 
 
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     own their technology but like I think open AI has brought them to the dance right and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:31
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     like now they're building the infrastructure that they need to leave it's like you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:37
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     after all this it's like yes I expect that every time something like this happens such 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:41
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     as just like I don't want to have to deal with this right like you're you're like we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:46
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     trying to do a thing over here and you know like he was at build like the next day after 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this and it's just like you're just you're embarrassing me but it at least seems like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:55
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     he is making the moves that he would need to try and get rid of them and move over to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever there is but I think that it would be particularly awkward for Apple because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if they're going if they are actually going to announce a brand new partnerships like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:12
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     oh so you decided still a brand new like that's going to be the question where it's like with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Microsoft it's a little bit like well we're already in bed together like you know the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:22
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     the the it'd be weird it's going to be I think more complicated to be like no we made the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     decision now that we're going to do this so I'm very intrigued to see how that's going 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So there was a Microsoft Surface event earlier this week followed by the Microsoft Build 
     
     
  
 
 
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     conference I believe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And of course at the Surface event the big news is the debut of these brand new AI PCs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Microsoft is not calling AI PCs, they're calling Co-Pilot Plus PCs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is an interesting name to say the least. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Co-Pilot Plus... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are you guys familiar with the fact that they actually already have things that are called 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Co-Pilot PCs? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No but I'm not surprised. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a different thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh my god that is so Microsoft. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Isn't that great? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's so Microsoft. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really like the Co-Pilot branding. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Me too I think it's great branding. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But you got to deploy it in a more reasonable fashion at Microsoft. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:39
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     So this Co-Pilot Plus PCs obviously we know Microsoft is going all in on AI and they've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been doing that for the past two years really. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But what's different about these new computers, so there's a new Surface laptop and there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a new Surface Pro 11. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:02:00
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     They skipped the 10 right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:02
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     Well they're actually not numbering them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're not numbering it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     The 10 is business only I believe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:07
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     The Surface Pro 10 is just for business customers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:10
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     They didn't number this one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The thing about these computers is that they're running on a brand new ARM based architecture. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this is the long rumored Qualcomm made Snapdragon X processors. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're going to power these Windows machines. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And specifically there's two versions of the Snapdragon X. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's the Plus and the Elite. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now what's really remarkable here is that we can get to the details about like how Microsoft 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is doing this transition from the X86 architecture to an ARM based architecture. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They tried years ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It didn't exactly work out in terms of developer adoption, app compatibility and a bunch of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     other issues. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It seems like this may be the time they actually do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But what I find fascinating is the comparisons to the M series chips to Apple silicon and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     specifically Microsoft saying we are beating the MacBook Air with these computers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That I find interesting because from a certain perspective in terms of just raw AI numbers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it may even be true if you consider how these processors perform and all the different large 
     
     
  
 
 
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     language models that Microsoft has embedded within Windows at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I believe there's about 40 different models that Microsoft has in Windows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:44
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     But I still struggle to see these computers as having the kind of performance of a MacBook 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Air in terms of running cool and being thin and that's not even to mention of course the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Surface Pro compared to the incredible thinness of an iPad Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:04
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     But they're using different metrics to compare these copilot Plus PCs to MacBook Airs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I wanted to ask you guys first of all, silly name aside, do you find this interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as an idea of an AI first computer? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:22
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     Well, I mean... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or do you find it silly? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I don't find it silly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, to me it's just like, well, I do believe I've come around to the idea that like, look, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     love it or hate it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:36
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     This is the next phase of computing now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:39
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     Like we're in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:40
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     And so like the idea of a AI focused PC is funny to me because it's just like, I do think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that within five years that's just a PC. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:49
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     It's new now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like saying if the smartphone was invented now, oh, this is a camera phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:56
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     It's like, yeah, well... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:57
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     Or just like, what do you guys think about this new touch focused phone? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:03
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     You know, like I genuinely think we're just in it now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The thing that I find the most interesting, some of the stuff they're putting in Windows 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is interesting to me, but the thing I find the most interesting is how hard they are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bringing it to Apple. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:20
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     I like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:23
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     I like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:26
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     Just go for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:27
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     And like they're saying, I mean, I listened to the Verge cast and Tom Warren was saying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:31
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     that like he was in a briefing with Microsoft for multiple hours where they would just, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:37
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     they had a MacBook Air and the Surface laptop next to each other and they were just doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:41
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     benchmark after benchmark. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:43
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     Like they are not just saying that this is more powerful in AI. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:47
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     They're saying it is more powerful in everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:50
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     They're saying it has longer battery life. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:52
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     Like they're just saying like all in all, this machine is better. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:55
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     Now they probably have fans in them. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:59
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     You sound about the coolness thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:00
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     It's like, okay, like a lot of people are bringing this up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:01
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     Like I think John Cooper wrote about it too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:04
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     I don't know if that matters. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:05
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     Like I don't, you know, like, okay, like it does, you know, whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:09
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     But like it's probably more powerful than a MacBook Pro then. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:14
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     Like, you know, it's just like, whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:19
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     To me, the thing that is interesting here is that they are building computers that look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:22
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     compelling and they are putting these features into their operating system and then they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:27
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     saying this is better than Apple's laptops. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:29
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     And I'm just like, all right, like this is it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:32
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     I like this from Microsoft. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:33
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     Let's see what they got. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:35
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     Are you guys familiar with where these chips came from? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:06:41
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     So this is, they're Qualcomm chips, but a while back Qualcomm bought a company founded 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:47
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     by a bunch of people who left Apple who worked on Apple Silicon. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:52
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     It's a company called Nuvia. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:54
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     Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:55
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     And Qualcomm just said, we'll give you whatever you need, make us the chips. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:00
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     And these are the chips. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:01
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     And they did. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:03
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     And this is a pretty remarkable chip. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:04
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     In terms of like for AI, they're saying like 40 trillion operations per second. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:12
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     Like this Snapdragon X architecture, like it is a serious thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:16
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     And the fact that Microsoft is saying we're not just comparable to a MacBook Air. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:20
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     We are superior in terms of performance to the M3. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:25
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     Like that is a serious claim. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:28
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     And they're saying that these computers, like they're claiming, like I was just checking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:32
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     the Surface Pro specs page. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:34
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     They're claiming 14 hours of battery life for a tablet, which, you know, different kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:41
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     of tablet in many regards. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:43
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     But yeah, it's like this is a serious effort in terms of bringing an R base architecture 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:50
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     to Windows and now will it work this time around? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:55
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     I think it will. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:57
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     The question remains, what is the app story? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:00
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     Like that is their issue of like how many apps are actually going to come? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:04
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     And they announced a bunch of important apps like Photoshop and others are like they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:08
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     bringing, they're going to make native versions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:11
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     Isn't Fantastical also coming to Windows because of this? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:14
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     It was on a slide and then there was a tweet or a thread post by somebody who said it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:20
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     coming, but I don't, I would not be surprised. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:22
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     I mean, it makes sense for them to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:26
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     To your point, Mike, and to yours, Frederick, really, the reason this is so interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:30
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     to me is that this is Windows on ARM in a way we've never seen it before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:36
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     And the software and the hardware both have held it back, but in particular the software, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:40
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     if you go back, whatever it was, eight years or whatever, 10 years to the Surface RT, that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:45
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     thing failed because the hardware was underpowered, but also because there was no software for 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:08:50
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     And Microsoft has taken their sweet, sweet time to get Windows ready to get their emulation 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:08:56
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     And in that time, now they have this chip. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:59
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     So now things are coming together and either John or Ben said this on dithering, I forget 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:05
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     which one, but this feels like a turning point in the decline of x86 and Intel is going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:14
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     have with Lunar Lake, a next gen processor. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:17
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     They're going to have, you know, co-pilot plus PC stuff ready, but ARM is where these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:24
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     things are happening. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:26
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     And if these devices and the software do all really work as well as Microsoft says they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:33
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     do, this very well could be the turning point where, hey, x86, not on the Mac anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:42
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     It's going to be a long time before it's not a Windows anywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:44
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     Like it's a very long transition, but this feels like a very big step towards that future. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:50
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     I genuinely think the Intel thing is just there because Microsoft are being nice to 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:09:55
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     I think so too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:57
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     I think x86 is over. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:00
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     They can also still use them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:02
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     Like Steven said, it's going to be a long transition and there's probably many reasons 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:07
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     for Microsoft to remain partners with Intel for lower spec'd computers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:15
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     The Windows world is so different from the Apple one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:18
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     It makes sense, like they're the kind of company that is built to have multiple partners. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:24
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     But yeah, this is the question is how good is their emulation layer? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:29
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     Because if it's still not good enough, this won't work. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:10:34
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     So to give you like I posted on threads about the gaming angle, for example, which is obviously 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:39
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     an interesting one because those are some of the along with 3D applications and like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:43
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     professional applications, like 3D graphics is one of the most intensive things that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:47
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     can ask a system on a chip in this case. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:50
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     Like this is not a keep in mind, this is not a system with a discrete GPU. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:55
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     This is just like Apple Silicon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:57
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     It's like a single system on a chip that has a GPU inside of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:00
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     The Mac Pro wins in the end. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:05
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     This is not these are not computers with a discrete dedicated GPU. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:10
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     It's just one Snapdragon X system on a chip. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:15
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     Now for the emulation layer, so I think Microsoft is telling a really compelling story, much, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:22
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     much more compelling than whatever Apple did last year with that Mac OS compatibility thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:29
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     for gaming that nobody ever really took advantage of. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:34
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     So they're saying that they have a thousand games that are already sort of have already 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:39
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     been tested and are playable or basically just complete like sort of like Steam's proton 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:46
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     thing like they have passed the compatibility checks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:50
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     So a thousand games and mostly you could expect these games without any optimizations to run 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:57
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     at 720p or 1080p 30 frames per second. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:00
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     For example, they showed Baldur's Gate 3, which is a game from last year, like a massive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:06
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     game from last year running, I believe, somewhere in between 720p and 1080p at 30 frames per 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:11
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     second. Now, you may say, well, that's not impressive. But, again, this is a system on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:16
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     a chip without a discrete GPU using an emulation layer and running that game at 1080p 30 frames 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:24
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     per second in a tablet? It is pretty remarkable for a first take. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:30
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     That's pretty good. That's pretty good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:31
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     It's pretty good. It's pretty good. And you can imagine that, like, I have a feeling that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:37
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     Microsoft and Qualcomm are absolutely going to take Apple to task here when it comes to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:41
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     gaming, because, like, they can tell and they can offer a much more compelling alternative 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:48
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     than whatever Apple has in store for the App Store and Apple Arcade, because the signs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:55
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     are pretty much in the open that Microsoft, they're going to do a gaming handheld and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:03
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     it's going to be... Most likely at this point, it's going to be based on this chip on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:10
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     Snapdragon X series. Now, you can imagine that sort of Xbox handheld that has full on compatibility 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:17
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     with games on Windows with this kind of battery life. And also, I will point you to the... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:25
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     President of Xbox, Sarah Bond, I want to say? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:13:31
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     Saying that they have assembled a dedicated Xbox game preservation team for future backward 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:38
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     compatibility. Now, why is that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:43
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     I can think of something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:44
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     I mean, they're also saying, like, as well, like, that the next Xbox that they're working 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:48
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     on is going to be the most powerful games console ever made by a long margin. And yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:55
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     maybe this is part of how they get to that, right? Like this kind of technology. I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:58
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     we've seen it. We've seen what happens when you go to arm, like your power and your amount 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:03
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     of power per watt and that kind of stuff. It just goes through the roof and that could 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:07
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     be a big leap for this kind of system too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:10
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     Yeah. So the final thing I will say is that over the past few years, and rightfully so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:15
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     in our community, because this is what we do for a living, we've been focused on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:18
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     incredible improvements of the Apple Silicon and M series. But I just wanted to point out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:25
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     that, like, it's not like Qualcomm has been just resting on their laurels and doing nothing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:31
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     You can get some pretty remarkable Android phones, like especially the Snapdragon 8 Gen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:37
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     3. That's just the amount of chip and the Adreno-based GPU that they have. You can play 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:43
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     some Android games and do some emulation in 4K with some really remarkable performance. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:48
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     Now, of course, the app ecosystem is different between iOS and Android. But if I were Apple, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:55
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     you know, competition is good in this case. And Qualcomm proving that they can work with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:59
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     Microsoft to bring Snapdragon to a desktop operating system with a gaming angle. It's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:04
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     very remarkable. And yeah, it's competition is great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:09
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     Over on Ars Technica, Andrew Cunningham has an article about Prism, which is Microsoft's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:16
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     emulation. You know, we have Rosetta 2 on Apple Silicon Macs. And Andrew writes that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:23
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     with a upcoming Windows 11 update, that those translated apps will run between 10 and 20% 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:31
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     faster just with the Windows update. And that Prism's performance is, quote, similar to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:36
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     Rosetta's, although obviously this depends on the speed of the hardware you're running 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:40
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     it on. And that's another benefit of these ARM chips. They are so fast. If there is any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:46
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     penalty for emulation, and it's not really like emulation is not really the word. It's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:51
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     translation. It's translating, not emulating. Then you make up the difference in the speed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:58
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     And they've got a bunch of apps like you mentioned Adobe, but Dropbox and Chrome are native on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:03
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     ARM and Windows. This is happening. It does not answer the questions about dedicated GPUs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It doesn't really answer the question of like, you know, the the bajillion x86 PCs under 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people's work desks, like it's going to take a long time. But I'm telling you, I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're gonna look back in a year or two. Like this, this is the time when the when the tide 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really started shifting for Windows on ARM. The other thing I want to talk to you all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about is Microsoft recall. So this is a feature that was internally called AI Explorer. But 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it effectively looks at everything you're doing on your computer, and puts it on a timeline. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you can go back and see what's going on. If this sounds familiar, there was rewind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     AI, which was this Mac application that was going to do this. And that company has pivoted. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But this is built into the OS into Windows. It will. There's some privacy stuff, you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say, you know, don't pay attention to these websites, you can pause or stop it. It's local 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and on device. But you can say, Hey, you know, I saw an email with this in it, or I was on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a web page with that on it. Can you find it for me? And it scrolls back in time. I love 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the interface for it. I think the interface is really fun. Very reminiscent of time machine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it is. And except like sideways instead of back into the screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's more colorful. And it's got my it looks like modern Microsoft. Like it looks great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But like, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But this is this is a mean, it's a wild feature. I would imagine that there'll be a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people that turn this off, or a lot of companies that turn it off for their employees. But 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm curious, like, for us, is this something that you know, if this came to Mac OS, is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this something that we would be interested in? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is the dream for me to have like the idea of total digital recall, without having 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to bookmark or like, explicitly save things. And I get it, I get it, the privacy concerns 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and everything. I'm sure if Apple ever did something similar, they would have better 
     
     
  
 
 
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     settings for things that you may want to exclude from your recall. But like, for me, this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exactly the perfect use of AI and a large language model. Like, see everything I do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I choose to let you see what I do. And then let me search using natural language things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I remember having seen on my computer, just not having saved them specifically anywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is something that I really, really, really hope Apple does, not just on a Mac, like anywhere, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like everywhere. I want to have this on all the devices that I use. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We should note it does only work on some of these newer Co-Pilot Plus PCs with the Snapdragon 
     
     
  
 
 
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     X Elite chip. So this is a subset of new machines. The minimum storage space, Microsoft says 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hard drive space, but you know, solid storage space. The minimum required for the system 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is 256 gigs, but 50 gigs of available space, you know, for for this feature to work. And 
     
     
  
 
 
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     its default allocation is 25 gigs, which they say is about three months worth of snapshots, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you can change in the settings, how much storage allocation you you allow for this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm interested to see how this is how this takes off if this is used in the world if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people think this is creepy. We just don't know yet. And I think I think for me, like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am interested in something like this, but boy, I'd want to make sure that it's local 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because something like this, you know, basically screen reading everything you do. That's, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know, that's weird. It's not a very common thing at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm like struggling with it myself. I keep going backwards and forwards 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of like, I actually would really like to utility for what Federico's mentioning, like, I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     need to remember anything like it just remembers everything for me. Like, I love that. But 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there is also just this like, do I want the computer logging everything, like everything, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every, you know, like, do I want that? I'm not sure that I do. And like, it's complicated. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think this is the thing I'm gonna have to like, come to terms with if something like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this comes to Mac OS. It's just like a strange, it's just like a strange thing to think about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that like, there is another thing that's watching every website I go to every app that I open 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every conversation I have, like if I have a an iMessage conversation with someone and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     delete the iMessage thread, like, it's still gonna, we're going back to that thing we were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talking about earlier, right? Like the photos thing, like it's just reappearing. Like there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is just this like another memory. It gets weird. It's just like a, it's a thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we haven't had before other than web browsing history. And we all got used to web browsing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     history. So I'm sure we'd all get used to this. But yeah, I think this is something that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would eventually much prefer the utility of than a creepy thing. But there is also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just like, security concerns, right? Like, real ones that we'd have to seriously consider 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that if someone got access to your computer, they have everything, everything now. Complicated. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it's new realm, right? It's just like a new thing we'd have to get used to. And 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah, it makes me uncomfortable. But also, I like the idea of it. So like, if this came 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to Mac OS, I would turn it on. But I would still be a bit like, sometimes when I'm thinking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the feature, so. Sure. Man, WWBC, a couple weeks away. Who knows? They're not going to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get to this level. They're not going to do this. They're not going to do this. I'm still 
     
     
  
 
 
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     excited about WWBC. I want to see what they've got. But I'm starting to lower my expectations 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:15
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     because everything is rising. And they're not going to be at this level. They're not. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because Microsoft started doing all this stuff ages ago. If you want to find links to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stories we spoke about, they're in your podcast player. They're also in the information super 
     
     
  
 
 
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     highway exit that is relay.fm/connected/503. Pull over. Check out those links. I got in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trouble halfway through that sentence. I didn't know. No, I liked it. It was all really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that's how we should say like, every website is an exit on the information super 
     
     
  
 
 
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     highway. And you've always got to turn on to that exit when you want to go to a website. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's great. That's right. If you want to find Federico, turn down Mac stories lane 
     
     
  
 
 
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     over at a macstories.net. Lots of great stories over there. I'm sure they're gearing up for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     WWBC. You can find Mike on a bunch of other shows here on relay FM and you can swing by 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Cortex brand on your way home and get something for the kids. Kids need notebooks and pens, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right? Yeah. On the way home. Yeah. Pick up something for the kids. And I like 512pixels.net, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is Steven's home because it actually sounds like an address. It does. 512 pixels. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes. Yes. You can, uh, you can stop by, you know, get a glass of tea, read about Emacs. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Visit for a while, you know? Come on y'all. Visit for a while. That's one of my favorite 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Southern phrases. Like someone visits. Like we're just going to visit. I like that. It's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cute. It's going to visit. If the, uh, the information super highways is not your thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:48
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     and maybe you want to go down the social media expressway, you can do that. We're on Mastodon 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as Vitichi, iMike and ISMH 86 as a, as our own threads. It's all the same usernames everywhere 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now. It's all unified. Very, very exciting. You guys sound excited. Some of us have done 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that a while ago. Some of us didn't have that problem, but yes, it's very exciting that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:17
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     we're all unified now. You know, you're thinking about unification. What do you think about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the three of us having just one social media account? What do you think? We just share 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:28
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     it? Y'all can log in as connected. No, but what, will you want us all sending all of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:32
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     our thoughts in the connected account? No, like we all just, we'll just use it. What 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would our name be? Sti, Sti-Mike-o? Sti-Mike-o. Yeah, he sounds like a fine gentleman. Didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:46
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     we do this before? Probably. We've definitely done this before, but yeah, I think that would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be a good idea. I think the three of us should have one account and we just post everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from it. So like one day it would be like, look at this thing I wrote about a Mac pad 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:00
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     and then next day we're like, look at this podcast that I did. And the next day it would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:04
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     be like, look at this calendar that I'm selling, you know, that could be us. You have to look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:08
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     at that photo in the discord. Yeah, I mean, that could be us. Like that would be us, like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:12
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     final form, you know, where Mike and I got face melded to each other. Yeah. On top of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:19
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     Federico's buddy. Yeah. Who doesn't want to be there. Thank you to our sponsors this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They are NetSuite, Ecamm, 1Password and Fitbod. You can learn more about them, the show notes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as well. Thank you to our members who support us directly. You can get connected pro it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just seven bucks a month. That's a longer ad free version of the show that we do each 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and every week with extra topics. We pick titles at the end. Lots of fun things happen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:47
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     there, but relay members also get access to our members only discord, a newsletter and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:52
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     a couple of members only podcast we do each month. And in the month of May and June, we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:57
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     doing our annual specials that all members get. So if you support connected, then you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:03
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     get, you know, the, the bonus episode of Mac power users and vice versa. All the shows, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:09
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     we just recorded ours today and it will be out tomorrow on May 23rd for members that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:12
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     in the crossover feed. So go check that out. I think, uh, I think, I think people enjoy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:17
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     what we did. Tell them we talked about Titanic. Mike's favorite movie, Federico's favorite 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:22
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     movie. Mike's favorite movie of Federico's Mike's favorite movie. He saw this week. Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:31
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     Yes. We talked about Titanic. Uh, it sinks spoiler alert. Oh, why would you do that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:38
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     So many people were just like, well, they didn't know. They didn't know. It happened 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:42
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     a hundred and 15 years ago. Okay. That's it. We'll be back next week until then say goodbye. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do this cheerio. Bye y'all.