496: I Tried to Put My Finger in Myke's Mouth
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Hello and welcome to Connected episode 496.
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It's made possible this week by our sponsors,
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NetSuite and Squarespace.
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My name is Steven Hackett,
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and I have the pleasure of being joined by Mr. Mike Hurley.
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Well, hello there.
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And I have the pleasure of being joined
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by Federico Vittucci.
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Ciao Federico. Buonasera.
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Buonasera Federico.
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Ciao, ciao, ciao.
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We're back, but you know what's not back?
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iPads. iPads.
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They're not back.
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No, no. Not happening.
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They got canceled, they're not happening.
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Yeah, the iPad got canceled, actually.
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You wouldn't believe what the iPad did, you know?
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Yeah, true being dead moment for the platform.
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Yep, we can't.
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There's more, another rumor from Mark Gurman,
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or updated reporting,
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that we're now looking at probably May.
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Late April, early May,
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so we can get off iPad Watch for a while.
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Did you boys, are you boys still waiting for the newsroom?
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I'll stop now.
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I'm assuming it's not happening.
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So you're saying that new iPads may come out.
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Hey, there he goes.
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There it is.
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Y'all doing that again, Federico?
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No, not this year.
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No, they're not skipping it this year.
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I listened to an app story, it's just like,
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I think it's a silent protest,
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or actually not a silent protest,
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about the state of shortcuts.
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Is what I kind of got from app stories.
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Yep, pretty much.
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Pretty much.
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I'm a little behind.
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And then it was auto-genation,
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'cause it just kept going.
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Yeah, no iPads.
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Seems like maybe there's some sort of software and hardware,
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like both ganging up on Apple to make this difficult.
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I wonder what they've got to do software-wise,
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unless there's like,
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first it's like, well, what feature would it require?
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I thought, well, maybe like keyboard or trackpad stuff.
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But then I realized it could be like firmware level stuff
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to manage the OLED,
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'cause you've got to handle that differently
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than the LCD, maybe.
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Yeah, 'cause if you remember,
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when the iPhone 10 came out,
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there were like these stories. Remember.
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Remember about how, I think,
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they were moving the user interface elements
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to stop burning.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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So maybe there's stuff like that,
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which is just, you know,
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these are the kinds of things that you would have to do
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to get the operating system ready to handle an OLED screen.
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It could be stuff like that,
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or it could just be, as you say,
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like there's, we know that new accessories
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are very likely too.
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Maybe they just haven't finished getting all of that ready.
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But also there was just issues
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with getting the OLED panels to a consistent quality level.
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The iPhone 10 is further in the past
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than I always think it is.
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I still think of it as like the new phone,
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and that thing came out in 2016?
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Now we're coming up on 10 years since the iPhone 10.
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Like it's not super close, but it's not very far away.
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Well, it's seven years, so yeah, getting there.
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The iPhone 10 is only three years younger than our company.
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Think about that.
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I can't really work that out.
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It's a very important metric. Okay, yeah, I see.
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I see, I see.
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Relay is further away from the iPhone 10
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now than it was when we started.
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Yeah, or think about it this way.
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The iPhone 10 is as old as the Nintendo Switch.
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Bad news for the Nintendo Switch.
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Well, or bad news for Apple
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because Nintendo didn't need to do anything until now,
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and they have sold a bajillion of them
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and made all the money they could possibly want to make.
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So on last week's episode,
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I was talking about mirroring with the Vision Pro,
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and I was saying that I couldn't get it
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to work on my iPad mini.
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I think, Steven, you said that they used it in store,
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and you were right.
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That is what they used in store.
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They used the iPad mini.
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So the iPad mini does work.
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It just wasn't working for me.
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And our friend Casey Liss sent in a screenshot
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on Masterland.
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Basically, there are some settings
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that I might want to enable
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for why it might not be working, but yeah.
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So mirroring from a Vision Pro to an iPad mini does work.
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It just wasn't working for me.
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Okay, there you go.
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You have to make it an AirPlay target, I guess.
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Yeah, exactly.
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I mean, I feel like I haven't not made it that.
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You know what I mean?
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It's surprising to me that that doesn't just work
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'cause I haven't done anything to anything else,
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but it's possible that something
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has been set incorrectly on the device.
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You gotta throw it in the river and start over.
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Oh, I mean, maybe.
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Federico, you are in the EU.
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What about Alt Store?
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So there's a story on the verge today.
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They got an exclusive hands-on
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with the third-party app marketplace version of Alt Store,
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which is the popular sort of sideloading, quote-unquote,
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store that has long been available on iOS and iPadOS
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through the sort of non-jailbreak method.
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And they're launching in the EU
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a native app marketplace for the iPhone.
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And the story has a lot of details
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about the installation process, what it looks like,
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all the permission prompts that you're gonna get,
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and sort of some of the apps that,
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well, actually two of the apps
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that are being notarized by Apple right now in Alt Store.
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Delta, which is the Nintendo emulator
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that the Alt Store folks have been developing
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for quite some time, and Clip,
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which is a clipboard manager
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that can monitor your clipboard in the background
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using a bunch of native APIs,
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but in a way that wouldn't get approved on the App Store,
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but can be released in theory on a third-party marketplace.
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But so go check out that story
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if you wanna see the screenshots,
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what it looks like in practice.
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And I think there's some interesting details
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that Alt Store is working on right now.
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For example, Clip, sort of as a way to work around
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the core technology fee, for example,
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they're gonna integrate with Patreon.
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So you need to be a Patreon subscriber
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to Alt Store if you wanna get some of these apps,
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and supposedly that subscription will also cover
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for the cost of the CTF.
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So a bunch of interesting ideas.
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- One of the ways that Patreon helps here
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is you can cap it, right?
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So you can cap it to a million patrons
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or whatever it would be,
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and that way you don't hit that level, if that's the case.
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Or, but also, you can use this model
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as a way to make sure you have enough money
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and you can charge people once a year, da, da, da, da.
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But yes, there are other ways that people can make money
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on the App Store, and this is, well,
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through apps and Patreon is a very valid way, right,
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of doing that.
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So it's cool that they're integrating that.
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So I linked to the story, but also in a footnote,
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I mentioned sort of the weird experience
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that I'm having right now.
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So I live in the EU, obviously.
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I have an Italian iPhone, I have an Italian iCal account,
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but as you guys know, I have a US App Store account
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that I set up in 2007, 2008 or something,
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and I've been using forever,
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and that was back in the day it was possible.
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If you didn't have a debit card or a credit card in the US,
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you could just create a US App Store account for free.
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There was a method that allowed you to do that on iTunes
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without having to provide any other details.
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And I've been hanging on to that App Store account forever.
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Now, I cannot access any of the DMA EU features at all.
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That was the case with 17.4.
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I put the beta of iOS 17.5 on my phone last night,
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and I still don't have access to any of the EU stuff.
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I was never shown the browser selection screen,
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and Riley Testa, one of the founders of AltStore,
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tried to send me a beta of AltStore
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that I could install on my phone,
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and after I manually synced using Finder,
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the AltStore app to my phone,
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when I tried to open it on my iPhone,
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iOS says that this device is not eligible
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to install this app.
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So I think I must be living in some kind of weird edge case
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where what I'm doing is not accounted for at the moment.
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I live in the EU, but I have a US App Store account,
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and even if I change my region setting to Italy,
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it doesn't matter.
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As long as I have that US account,
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it won't let me access any of the DMA features.
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And I suppose that this is because Apple only designed
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a way for the other way around,
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which is if you are an EU customer and you travel abroad,
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you have, I believe, a 30-day grace period
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to keep receiving updates and keep installing apps
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from third-party marketplaces.
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But what about my situation where technically
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I have a US App Store account, but I live in the EU,
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and it seems like there's no solution right now,
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and this is what it is.
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I cannot get access to any of those features
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as long as I believe, as long as I keep
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that US App Store account in my settings.
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So kind of a weird situation to be in,
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because you could imagine that an American citizen
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may want to hold onto their Apple ID
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if they move from the US to Europe,
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and in theory, they become,
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like what if you buy a house in Europe
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and you become legally a European citizen,
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but because you have the US App Store account,
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you cannot get access to any of those features?
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It seems like the sort of problem
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that Apple will have to fix eventually,
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but there's no fix right now.
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- I mean, for you to just test this stuff,
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could you, do you have like a second iPhone?
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- I do, I do, I should try.
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- So you could just do it, right?
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You could just, I'm sure you have a,
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I mean, you just have to sign in with your iCloud account,
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which is European, right?
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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- So you could try it that way, but I mean,
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honestly, it would surprise me if there was ever a solution
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for this specific problem,
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'cause I think Apple would just say to you,
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if you live in Europe, if you want it,
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change your Apple ID.
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I don't think that that is a,
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I'm not saying that that is a good way of dealing with it,
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especially for you, but I don't,
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I think looking at the way
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that they have approached this so far,
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I don't think that they're going to care for edge cases,
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that they would change, that they would fix them
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unless they were legally told they would have to,
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and I would also expect that the European Union
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aren't gonna fight this specific point,
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because it's pretty esoteric, right,
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for the majority of instances,
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unless there is some other edge case,
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like the one that you mentioned about
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it restricting the movement of Europeans or something,
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I could imagine might be an issue,
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but be interesting to see how it unfolds,
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especially if more than just app stuff
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gets wrapped into this eventually.
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Imagine a scenario where there's some kind of
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messaging changes that need to happen,
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like would that remain the same,
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that you would lose access to those features
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if you were to travel,
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and now you can't do X, Y, and Z on your iPhone
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because you're in some kind of weird limbo?
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- No, I just think it's kind of weird
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that it is tied to the App Store account
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rather than the main Apple ID.
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I think that's a bit of an odd decision.
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- How do you get the stores?
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Do you get them from the App Store?
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- What do you mean?
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- So if you want to download Altstore,
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where does it come from?
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- In this case, I was sent a .ipa file that I had to--
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- I'm expecting that Riley won't do that for everyone, though.
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- No, no. - It's hand-delivered.
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- I think you will go to a website,
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and the website will say,
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"Hey, this website wants to install
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"a third-party marketplace for you."
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- That's so weird.
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All of this is so new still?
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It's like that sentence one year ago
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would have sounded bananas, but here we are.
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- You know what?
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I'm actually gonna try this now.
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I think now-- - You should try it.
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- Now you've put the doubt in my mind.
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- I am convinced it will work when you do that,
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'cause you tick all of the other boxes.
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- Okay, so I'm gonna do it.
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I'm gonna listen to my offline music, but whatever.
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I'm gonna do it during the show.
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- You might need a reboot or something.
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And the reason I feel confident about this,
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I'm saying right now,
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because it's kind of similar to what I'm doing
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with Vision Pro.
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I can change in and out.
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Today I checked.
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Periodically I checked to see if the App Store
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is up and running in the UK yet,
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'cause that would be an indication
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that they're getting ready to ship it,
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but it's still not.
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I try it every couple of weeks or whatever,
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because I would also desperately like to change over,
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'cause I'm having to do this weird dance right now,
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because I have subscriptions that are renewing,
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and I have to keep topping up the gift cards,
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and it's a whole thing that I'm finding,
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that I would like to get away from that life.
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But I had to keep buying things in two places,
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stuff like that, which is kind of frustrating.
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- And I guess you can't use some of the cool features,
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like you get a link to an app on your phone.
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It's like, "Oh, download it,
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"and it'll be on your Vision Pro next time you put it on.
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"I guess that doesn't work for you."
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- Yeah, I can't do that.
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No, I can't do that.
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I have to open it in Safari
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and then check my shared Safari tabs, whatever.
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- And also, we had to talk about this later on,
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but we were doing a SharePlay thing earlier,
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and Jason was like, "Let's watch for mankind."
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And I'm like, "I can't."
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'Cause I don't wanna sign up for TV+
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as well as music and Apple Arcade.
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I don't want another one.
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So we couldn't watch it,
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because he wanted me to sign up for another subscription.
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- Okay, so I have some real-time follow-up.
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- I logged in with my Italian App Store account.
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I force quit Safari, reopened Safari,
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and now I see, "About your default browser."
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- There you go.
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- I'm seeing the screen.
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Opera, gross, is the first choice.
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- What are you gonna choose?
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- Ooh, Brave.
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- No, thank you.
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- Welcome to the App Store. - Wow, what an ice-chop.
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- This is the problem.
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- Opening this app.
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This is so weird.
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Opening this app, we'll set it as the default browser.
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You can always change this later in Settings.
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Okay, so I'm going to set that for Safari.
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- He says that for Safari, too, that's funny.
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- So what happens if I tap on that weird alt store?
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Oh, I got to reinstall it.
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So I'll do it, and I'll let you know in a few minutes.
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- Okay, excellent.
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This is great.
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I love this.
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This is some real-time follow-up.
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- It is, it's good.
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I want to talk briefly about a new Apple AI thing.
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This has kind of become something
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that we are following along on the show.
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Apple released information about a Realm reference resolution
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as language modeling.
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Now, there's an article on VentureBeat about this.
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We also have that linked to the PDF in the show notes
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if you want to read that.
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I will say a better-looking PDF than previous ones,
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don't you think?
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- Let me take a look.
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I haven't looked at the PDF yet.
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I just read the VentureBeat article.
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It looks like, yeah, there's some better formatting
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in this one.
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Like, they have images that actually fit
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within the columns this time,
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rather than just being like random all over the place.
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- The large language model is listening to connected
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and implementing changes.
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In a nutshell, what this model aims to do
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is to understand context and reference
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based on what a user is seeing on their screen.
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So it can view what's on your computer, iPad, iPhone,
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whatever, I guess.
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And then that lets the user ask it questions
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based on what the user is seeing.
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Some of the examples in the PDF
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are pretty straightforward.
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Like, I'm looking at a website and I say,
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"Hey, call this restaurant,"
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and it finds the phone number in the footer
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of the restaurant website,
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and it could make that phone call for you.
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That, I think, is pretty clever.
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Like, assistants should know what's going on on your device.
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I think there's also a huge accessibility story here
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where, and Apple already has a lot of great stuff
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in VoiceOver and their controls by voice,
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but layering this on top of it
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could be really interesting as well.
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- Well, how amazing would it be
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to be able to provide VoiceOver
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and with developers not actually needing
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to do anything anymore?
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- Yeah, yeah, 'cause especially out on the web,
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a lot of websites don't have proper markup
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for that sort of thing.
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So that could be, it could be really interesting.
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But there's a quote in here
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that just kind of blew me away.
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So this is a quote from the PDF.
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"We demonstrate large improvements
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"over an existing system with similar functionality
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"across different types of references,
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"with our smallest model obtaining absolute gains
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"of over 5% for onscreen references."
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Here's the sentence.
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"Our larger models substantially outperform GPT-4."
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- Substantially?
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- Substantially. - How large
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is that model, though?
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- Well, we don't know the relative size of the models.
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And reading in context, it seems like they're talking about
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what GPT-4 can do in this arena,
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I almost said realm, but that's the name of the model.
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That would've been confusing.
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In the realm, realm of--
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- Yes, that one.
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- Of using what's on display for context and reference.
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So that sentence, that's probably very finely cut.
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But if Apple thinks they're playing at the level of open AI
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in some of these areas, that's super interesting.
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And I think this model,
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out of all the things we've talked about,
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like editing images, the language and text tools,
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this is the one that so far I'm most excited about,
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that an assistant or a model could have the context
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of what I'm working on
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without me having to copy a bunch of stuff
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and dump it into a website and like, hey, figure this out.
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Like it knows what I'm looking at.
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And with permission,
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I guarantee there'll be strict permissions around this,
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that the system could do things.
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And Federico, you pointed out that
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Apple's already been playing with this a little bit, right?
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- Yeah, I mean, for the past few years.
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So first, I don't remember, was it iOS 11 or something?
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Like, by really going way back.
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They rolled out the very rudimentary integration with Siri.
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How you used to be able, like the first version
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was only integrated, I believe, with reminders.
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So you could say, hey, assistant, remind me about this.
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And this was whatever was on screen.
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And they were using, I believe,
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a combination of the NSUserActivity API
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to capture what you were looking at.
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And that allowed Siri to,
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and of course, Siri just activated on my watch,
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that allowed Siri to save a reminder
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for what you were looking at.
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So for example, a webpage with a little icon
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that was a deep link to the page that you were looking at.
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That worked with any compatible apps.
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So Apple Maps, for example, allowed you to save locations.
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Apps that had sort of deep linking support,
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they all integrated with it.
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And then a few years ago,
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they rolled out in shortcuts,
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and Siri at the same time, of course,
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the get what's on screen action.
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This is an integration that you can use right now
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in shortcuts.
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It never worked quite reliably.
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Like sometimes it just doesn't get what's on screen.
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Mostly I tried using it with Safari on iOS and iPadOS,
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because in the iPhone version of Safari,
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you can do what you can do on the Mac,
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where you can just say,
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hey, get the current webpage in Safari.
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And instead, if you use the get what's on screen action,
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you can get the link of the page
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by having the intelligence, whatever,
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determine what's on screen.
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So this is a very primitive implementation
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of something that sounds much, much fancier in this paper,
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and that I really hope Apple gets right,
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because it could be obviously
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one of the key differentiators here compared to ChatGPT.
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Just process whatever is on screen,
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which is in fact pretty much what the X Workflow folks
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and shortcuts folks are working on pretty much
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at the moment with their startup.
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- The reason I was wondering about like the size
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of this model compared to the small model,
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compared to ChatGPT or whatever is this is the type of thing
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that I would want to be running locally
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if I was gonna be using this efficiently,
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and also with what I would want to be privacy.
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Like I wouldn't want those queries
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to be going off to the cloud.
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- I wonder if that's what is behind Apple's language
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of our smallest model is over 5% gains,
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the larger model substantially outperform.
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Maybe there will be like a two-step function of this
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where you can say, I always want this type of work
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on a device, but there's a toggle somewhere of like,
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if I want more power, go to the cloud.
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I agree with you, something like this,
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I want on device, I think, but maybe there's gonna be
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some sort of sliding scale of what you can do.
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Or maybe it'll be something like
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the whisper transcription tools,
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like a Mac whisper and a couple other apps
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have kind of been built to wrap around that.
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And a Mac whisper, you can set what model you're using
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and the trade-off is space on disc,
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it like downloads the model and the big one is enormous.
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And so maybe that's a way Apple could do this
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of like, it's all on a device and you kind of pick
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how powerful you want it to be based on the space
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or the level of performance your device has.
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I don't know, that's a big question for me.
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- But also the big models can always get smaller, right?
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Like the efficiencies and the accuracy of larger models
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changes over time, right?
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And smaller models get more accurate
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because they get smarter at being able to understand
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the same thing with a less amount of input.
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So like, you know, this can be like an ongoing,
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or will be, I'm sure, an ongoing project
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where they wanna try and make the small model
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as good as the large model.
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And it really is just a case of time, it feels like,
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for a little bit of stuff now, so yeah.
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- I continue to remain, I'm trying to find the word,
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like I'm pleased about the fact that they're continuing
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to publish work, which suggests that they're working
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very hard at this stuff, which I think Apple really,
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really should be working very hard at this stuff.
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And so I'm pleased to see it.
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You love to see it, as they say.
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- You love to see it.
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We've got new betas, iOS 17.5, iPadOS 17.5.
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What's going on here?
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I haven't played with these yet.
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- Sorry, there's a bit of everything.
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Like there's new betas for everything.
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You know, there's also the watch, there's also the VisionOS,
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everything's like incremented by one.
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I think it seems like the biggest thing in iOS 17.5
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is sideloading, so the ability to install apps from the web,
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which is not currently in .4.
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9to5Mac also found code that this version could enable
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the work that Apple and Google have been doing
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about tracking devices.
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So Apple and Google have worked together
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to try and help create an overall picture
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of all of the types of devices that people could use,
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like an AirTag or a tile or a tracker,
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like those all competing things, to help people who,
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they're effectively being used on a stalking device.
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And so this code in iOS would seem to be able to,
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can indicate if there is a device that is tracking you,
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even if it's not in the Firemind network,
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it can't help you get rid of it,
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but they can indicate to you this is this type of device,
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this is where you can go to disable this.
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Like this is how this device can be disabled.
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Like it can point you in the right direction.
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And it's doing that through I'm sure a lot of complicated
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stuff around Bluetooth and how Bluetooth is tracking.
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And really Google and Apple are able to work together
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to share this information.
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I expect it will be some kind of like ongoing list
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that they're adding to, where they can try
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and detect these types of devices, so that's cool.
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And iPadOS 17.5, 9to5 also found code
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that indicates the next Apple Pencil will include
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a quote squeeze gesture, I'll read from the article.
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The gesture can be used for quick interaction,
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such as adding shapes, signatures, stickers,
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or a text field.
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Presumably the gesture will be triggered
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by pressing the Apple Pencil surface.
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- Squeeze to draw.
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- Squeeze to, that's not what I want, I want buttons.
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I want like an actual button. - Squeeze to erase.
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- Like tapping, squeezing, just put a button on it.
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And maybe it will be like in essence a button,
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but you squeeze the button like it's solid state
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or something.
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- I think it makes sense, like you squeeze your AirPods
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already, they don't call it squeeze, right, on the AirPods.
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What did they call it?
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- I don't know what they call it.
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- Press. - Press, hold, squeeze,
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press, I don't know.
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- AirPods, bro. - Embrace, hold, squeeze.
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- I think embrace is the verb.
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- Squeeze, you're not embracing your AirPods.
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- Yeah, it's like a tiny embrace.
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- It's, they don't say squeeze.
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- Well, hang on, we have that PDF.
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- Press, they just say press.
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- Press, okay, I was gonna look it up in the style guide.
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- Press, the touch control.
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- Press doesn't feel right, 'cause you don't press it, do you?
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Like you press with a finger. - Squeeze it.
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You pinch it or something.
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- Squeeze it, pinch it, push it.
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- Maybe you're only pressing on one side
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and the other finger needs to be there
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so it doesn't pop out of your ear, so.
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- Yeah, but that's a squeeze.
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- It feels like squeezing. - That's a squeeze,
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that's not a press.
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with the new iPads and you're gonna squeeze them.
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So that's cool, I mean, it sounds like they're gonna have
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this new gesture and you're gonna be able to configure it
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to whatever you want, that's, you know,
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knowing Apple, there's gonna be an option in settings
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and whatever they're gonna call this,
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like press the pencil, whatever, or pinch the pencil,
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you will be able to assign like a shortcut to it.
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That would be my guess.
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- Press, yes, but I found out on the web,
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on like, I've been scouring the apple.com AirPods page
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So it's pressing. - Press, press, press.
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- All right, it is time for our favorite result
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of the DMA, the Teach Italian segment.
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- Buongiorno, professor.
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Today, we are going to learn the verb to be.
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We're going to learn how to conjugate the verb to be
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with the different types of persons that we need to try
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with Italian language.
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So last week we did the pronouns
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and today we're going to combine those pronouns
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with the verb to be.
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So you can say I am, you are and so forth.
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So I'm going to do, I'm going to read the Italian versions
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first, but first disclaimer.
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You should know that unlike the English language
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where you have the sort of the main form of a verb,
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well now I guess there are irregular verbs in English too.
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So disregard what I was about to say.
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The verb to be also is an irregular verb in Italian,
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which is to say it changes form depending
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on the tense and the pronoun.
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So I am is io sono.
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You are is to say.
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He, she, they, you know, the third person is lui o lei,
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e or if we're using the singular they, loro sono.
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- I don't even really know what we're doing anymore.
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- What's to be, like what do you mean?
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- So he to be, she to be, they to be.
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I am, you are, he is, we are, you are, they are.
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- Airbnb. - Very simple.
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- Oh, okay, all right.
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To be conceptually.
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- To be, the verb to be, you know, like I am Mike.
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Like what if you need to say I am Mike?
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How would you say, you would say io sono Mike.
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- Yeah, yeah, so again, like in Romanian,
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it would be it's son't.
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- Yes. - So there you go.
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- Yes, that is pretty much like Latin actually.
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- It's all Latin, it's a Latin language.
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- Wow, so let's try with the first three, right?
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With the first three pronouns and we start with I am
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or in Italian, io, which we learned last week sono.
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- Io sono. - Yes.
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- Io sono. - Okay.
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- Tu sei. - Tu sei.
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- Tu sei. - Good, so here,
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you will learn when we do the numbers
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that in the Italian language,
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the same word can have different meanings.
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In this case, sei, it could either mean like you are,
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but the word sei is also the word for the number six.
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- It's the same word, but this is what we do sometimes
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in the Italian language.
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The same word, depending on context,
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can have different meanings.
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So if you say you are, you're not saying you six,
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you're saying you are, like if you say.
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- How would you say you six are?
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- That doesn't mean anything.
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- Yeah, it was like you six are going to the store, right?
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So you've said like, there's like seven people,
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you're pointing at six, I'm like you six, get out of here.
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- Well, you wouldn't say two, you would say voi,
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which is the plural version.
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- Like the plural of you.
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- And there's a plural version of that.
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It's not sei, it's siete, which we'll get to in a minute.
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- Because it's six, but you're like the word six,
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but because you're addressing an individual,
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it's not gonna conflict, okay.
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- Exactly, you're addressing a singular individual.
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- Yeah, so in the Italian language, some words spell
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the same way, pronounce the same way,
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they have different meanings.
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Sometimes the same word can be written down exactly the same,
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but we have phonetic accents that change
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the sound of the word.
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So this is not part of today's lesson,
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but for example, the word pesca,
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when I say it like this, pesca, it means.
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- Is that fish?
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- No, it's peach, the fruit.
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So pesca, with the open, like pesca, like that,
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it means the peach.
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If I say pesca, right, you hear the sound,
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it's like a tighter sound, that means fishing.
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Yes, it's written down the same way.
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- So I was close though, right?
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- You were close, you must have heard that.
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- What is fish, how do you say fish?
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- Yeah, so I was in the right ballpark.
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- Teach, peach to fish.
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- Yep, but back to the pronouns,
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so, eosono, to say, now we do the third person.
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So when we do the gendered person,
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lui or lei, as we learned last week, e,
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and this is the accented e letter, e.
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- Oh, okay, so like. - Lui, e.
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- Is it like lui, e sono?
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- No, no, no, so if you're saying lui or lei,
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so that would be he and she, you say e, lui, e, or lei, e.
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- Okay, that's it, all right, lei, e.
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- Or if you're using the singular they,
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so as we learned, it's loro, you would say loro sono.
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- Loro sono. - Loro sono.
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- Now we do the first person plural.
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We, as we learned, it's noi, and the verb is siamo.
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- Noi siamo. - Noi siamo.
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- Not siamo, siamo.
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- My favorite thing about this segment
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is how Steven gets quieter and quieter.
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- Yeah. - The further we go,
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I imagine he's just walking away from his computer,
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like he's just like on the other side of the room.
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- Something that you will learn
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as you guys start formulating sentences is that.
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- Obviously we will, yeah,
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we're definitely gonna get to that level.
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- I think you will, I think you will.
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You will try a very short sentence today.
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Verbs, they always end in kinda in the same way.
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So for example, when you say a verb and the pronoun is we,
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in this case, we said noi siamo.
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But if I were to say we eat, right,
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like we eat pasta, for example,
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I would say noi manjamo.
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So you hear how it always ends with the same sound?
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Siamo, manjamo, it always ends like that.
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- I love how similar, so to eat in Romanian is manunca.
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- I love this, I'm really enjoying,
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as I'm learning Romanian.
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- The similarities.
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- Understanding the similarities
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between Romanian and Italian.
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'Cause whenever we have been to Italy,
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Adina can kind of just get by, like she can work out,
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she can't speak it, but she can understand
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what people are saying to her.
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- I believe one of the words she knew was manjare,
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which is to eat, of course, she knew that word.
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- It's an easy one, 'cause I recognize it too.
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- Yeah, so you are, it's voi siete.
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- Voi siete.
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Steven is just gone.
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- Say it again.
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- He just left.
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- Voi siete.
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- Voi siete.
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- Yep, and finally again, third person plural,
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- Loro sono.
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- Loro sono.
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- So that's the same--
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- Mike, you actually made a pretty good sound
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for the letter R, yeah.
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- Oh, good, they're all completely accidental.
00:37:28
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So this is because, again, like we were talking
00:37:31
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about earlier, and I guess this is contextual, right?
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It's the same as in English, because we did,
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it's the two theys, but it's the same word.
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- Yeah, the two theys are the same, yes.
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So very simple sentence.
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I want you to say, "I am Mike" or "I am Steven."
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So how would you say it?
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Would it be "Yo sono Mike"?
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-Yep. -"La sono Esteban"
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I don't know what you did!
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Well, if you were to go for an Italian version of your name,
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you would say, "Yo sono Stefano."
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Stefano, oh!
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Not Stefano.
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-Stefano. -Stefano.
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Is there an Italian Michael?
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-Michele. -Michele.
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-Oh, "Yo sono Michele." -Yes.
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Yes, baby, I love it.
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And that's it for today.
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-Thank you. -That's fantastic.
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So wait, just one last thing.
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You're like, it would be "Tu se Federico," right?
00:38:30
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-I'm learning. -Yeah.
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We've had a fun 24 hours out of nowhere,
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like literally out of nowhere, like a Trojan horse.
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Apple enabled spatial personas.
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Now, this is something that we've seen a little bit of at WWDC.
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Apple published some imagery of what a spatial persona would look like
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in a FaceTime call.
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So currently, we know what personas are, people have seen them by now.
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It is the 3D representation of your face
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that when you wear a Vision Pro, people will see as a FaceTime call.
00:39:10
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And they've been in boxes previously when you're on a call,
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but this is breaking the persona out of the box.
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They are now, you see a head, part of shoulders,
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and people's hands.
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They are positioned in a space with you.
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And it feels like, you know, you can have calls with people
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when you're FaceTiming, it moves them from opposite you to next to you.
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So you're looking at the, like if you're doing, sorry,
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like SharePlay and FaceTime, so you can look at, say,
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a TV screen together or something.
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It's very different, but Apple enabled this in, just all of a sudden.
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It's been in 1.1 and it maybe took a reboot of a Vision Pro,
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but now when you're on a FaceTime call,
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there's a new button that you can press and it turns on spatial personas.
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We have done some individual calls.
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Me and Steven were part of a five-person call today as well.
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And you can do things from just having a conversation with people
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to playing games.
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We've all played Battleship, which is part of the Game Room game,
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which is an Apple Arcade, which is a really great experience.
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Well, Steven, what do you think about all this?
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I think it's fascinating.
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It really changes the sense of presence
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when someone goes from floating in a gray box
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to being more three-dimensional.
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And Apple's doing some stuff to really make that fun.
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Like if someone stands up and you're sitting down, they're taller than you.
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If someone turns, you see kind of like,
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you don't see the back of their head, right?
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The persona doesn't capture that, but you kind of see them turn.
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It just, it feels.
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It feels much more real in a way that I honestly did not expect.
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That's not to say it's goofy and like weird things happen,
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like the top image in my blog post is Jason coming through my home view
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of my Vision Pro while on the moon.
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It's like a very funny image.
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But the sense of presence is really cool, and they adjust
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how it works depending on on what you're doing.
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So if I just call somebody and we're in our spatial personas,
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that person is across from me.
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We're like looking at each other.
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But then if we go into a SharePlay experience, say we're going to watch
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something on Apple TV Plus or have like a free form board or something like that,
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then suddenly we're sitting side by side as like we're looking at the document
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together, like from the same perspective, we're watching a movie,
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we're in a theater side by side.
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It's really compelling in a way that honestly,
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I did not expect and caught me a little off guard.
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And of course, they're doing a great job of spatial audio as well.
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So as as like they are moving people around, which they do,
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depending on what you're doing, right?
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Like if you're if you're just talking to people, they kind of arrange you
00:42:03
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in a circle, like the first person is facing you.
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And then as more people join, it kind of like shifts shifts them around
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to you're in a circle as a maximum of five people that can be on a call.
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But as people are moving, whether you're talking to them head on
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or they're moving to be next to you in a plane
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because you're looking at a screen together with SharePlay,
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it changes where they are.
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So you know where to look because you can hear them.
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They're right next to you.
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So this combination of SharePlay and spatial audio like.
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There is a really good question of which came first with these.
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Was this stuff made for Vision Pro or have they just taken these technologies
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and made them work really well with Vision Pro?
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It's hard to tell sometimes of Apple.
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But this is one of those scenarios where it feels like a lot of their component
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parts have come together to create something which is like
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I was in this call today with the guys and there were five of us.
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And like it felt like to me, this is the reason to buy a Vision Pro,
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because I felt today that I was just hanging out in my buds for a bit.
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And like, yeah, it was very compelling, very, very, very compelling.
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More than any other type of VR experience I've had like this,
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where you're trying to like spend time in a shared space.
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It was really, really, really, really good.
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I was very impressed by it.
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I thought it was going to be a gimmicky thing for like a couple of minutes.
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But the more we spent like it, Mike and I,
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we played the session of Battleship with Game Room.
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And it did feel like I was just hanging out with Mike for 15 minutes.
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And we played a game and like the sense of presence and like the sort
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of the virtual physicality of it in a way like how, for example,
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I had to like look over the board of the game.
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If I wanted to see Mike's face, like,
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which is something that I would do in real life,
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if that object was physically in front of me, I would have to do that.
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And I had to do that for something that didn't exist in the physical space at all.
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But it kind of did in the Vision Pro space that felt like,
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it felt credible. It felt like something that, you know,
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what if I want to just hang out with Mike and talk about, you know,
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talking about podcasts or whatever and get some work done for like half an hour.
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It would be so much better than to do the same in a Zoom window, you know,
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where we're looking at our faces in the webcam. And like, I don't know,
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it just felt less isolating. And it felt very nice.
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Yeah, it was really great.
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Yeah. I also tried to put my finger in Mike's mouth.
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Yes. That's the first thing you tried to do.
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I kind of put my finger in your mouth and I said, you can try.
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And as soon as he did it, my head disappeared. So I think Apple has quite rightly,
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like you can touch hands, but you can't touch somebody's face.
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Yeah. Yeah. Now they kind of disappear. They're like a, like a,
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like a ghost or something. And also when you forget,
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I wanted to like kiss Mike on the forehead. But like,
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but when I get close, your face disappears. So,
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unfortunately it cannot be done. But yeah, like the,
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the fact that the personas are rearranged in the workspace,
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depending on the SharePlay experience,
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I think that is also very fascinating. So you could,
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you could imagine how different types of 3D objects in the, in the,
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what's it called? Like the, the, the full space,
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like what's it called when you're using a 3D thing in VisionOS?
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Anyway, like how he rearranges the environment. No,
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like there's a proper terminology for like the,
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like the space when you're using a 3D experience, but whatever you get what I
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mean. Like, so how he rearranges effectively,
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like the heads of the personas, depending on the 3D object.
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I thought that was very cool.
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Yeah. It's all,
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it's all really well thought out and it's something that that Apple talked about
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in June and included the needed a little more time to get it
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ready. But no, Federico it's interesting.
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Like it's interesting to hear y'all have the same reaction I did,
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that it really is impactful. In fact, after our, our big group call today,
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I ran inside to get a bottle of water and like say,
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had to marry before we sat down to record. I told her, I was like,
00:46:30
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this sounds ridiculous, but like if the prices came down and like,
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my work changed where I was on the road a lot, like I, like I was before COVID,
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like this would be a great way to like communicate,
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like if I wasn't home a bunch, right.
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And it's not the only reason to get a vision pro,
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but this is now the top of my list, my relatively short list of like reasons to,
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to consider one of these things, because the, the sense of,
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this is a presence really is something that is hard, that is hard to convey.
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Like when Mike stood up, I was sitting on the couch in my office and,
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and you stood up and you were taller than me. Like it,
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it felt like you were looking down on me. Like there's a,
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there's a screenshot in my blog post. Like we all put our hands in the middle.
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It's like, we're playing the hokey pokey.
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Like it's really weird how your brain sort of latches onto this
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now. Is it lifelike? No, like,
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enough, but it's enough. It's enough.
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Would I like to have arms at some point? Is that just hands? Yeah.
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Would I like my hands to look like my actual hands? Yeah. But for where we are,
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you know, three months into this thing, it's, it's compelling. Yeah.
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I mean, couple of years down the road,
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they're probably going to do a full body scan, right?
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And you're going to have like a proper realistic 3D.
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You might not need a full body scan though.
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Nobody imagine if you were actually sitting next to me.
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No, but like they could, they could create. Oh, I mean, yes. Right. Like,
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like, like they should have, Mike,
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have you played Dragon's Dogma at all? I haven't. I haven't.
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So they have this incredible character creator that I think is the best
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character creator I've ever seen in a video game.
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And like I could imagine something like that in VisionOS,
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like where you're scanning your face and your hands,
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but then if you want to create your body and like pick a different outfit or
00:48:26
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whatever, you would have like a little video game creation,
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character creation screen or something,
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which is sort of like what they have with the Memoji in a way. But imagine that,
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but for a realistic avatar, that would be cool.
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It would be really cool.
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Yeah. I'm like, I'm fascinated by this. Um,
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clearly this is what they wanted to ship, right?
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Like this is so much better than just talking to the personas as they were when
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it shipped. It's like, to me,
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like this is obvious that this is what they wanted this to be when it,
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from the beginning. Uh, but it's,
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now that it's here, like I, I'm very much struck by like, Oh man,
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I would love to be able to do this as a regular thing with my friends
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and we can just hang out. And you know,
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like it's funny that you said that about, uh,
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we're talking to Mary Steven because I know that obviously she has been, uh,
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quite against the idea, right. Just in general,
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like she doesn't like the vision pro you had said before that she thought it was
00:49:30
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kind of strange, but this is how you start to get people,
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right? It's stuff like this where now you're like, Oh no,
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I think you would dig this and then maybe she would try it when you'd be on the
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road and be like, okay, I still think this thing is kind of silly,
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but this is a really cool use case. And like these,
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these are the things that you kind of like start stacking these up over time and
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they become reasons for people to adopt this technology.
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And that's how it kind of like proliferates, right? It's,
00:49:59
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it's kind of interesting that even you would suggest that to her.
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Yeah. Not something I would have done before, before this.
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So Federico's out here. He's out here, you know, he's doing his thing.
00:52:46
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He's living his life. He's hacking and slashing now with the Vision Pro.
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How are you enjoying your Etsy purchases Federico?
00:52:55
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I am loving them.
00:52:57
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I have one final delivery on the way from
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I heard about this. John told me about this earlier. I don't know what it is,
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but he's like, I'm posting again for Federico.
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It's an alternative to the air cover.
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It's a similar product. We'll see.
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We'll see if it's more comfortable or not.
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so I posted last week on Mac stories about how I'm using the Vision Pro without a
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light seal and with the two sort of like
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solo knit bands.
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That's the setup that I'm using right now. I'm basically,
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don't have a light seal. I'm using this accessory called the air cover,
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which makes the Vision Pro sort of like rest on my
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forehead so that I can use it without the light seal,
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the blocks, you know, the light from, from all sides.
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And it's like,
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It reminds me of how the PSVR would sit,
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right? Like kind of like on your forehead and then almost like suspend
00:54:01
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the thing in front of you.
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Yeah. It's, it's basically suspended in front of my eyes.
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Of course it's using the two bands,
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which I've been doing for the past month. I'm using this adapter.
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I've tried a lot of adapters, like literally every single one on Etsy.
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And the best one, if anybody's interested in this sort of product,
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the best one is the Solo Top that you can get from Etsy.
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A really good high quality print on this one
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feels much better than other 3D printed objects that I've tried.
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And it fits in perfectly with the Vision Pro audio straps.
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And there's even like a version for the developer strap,
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if you want to get that.
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So the two bands, you know, the one in the back of the head and the one on top of the head,
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it's so comfortable as a system.
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I believe that Jon, One True Jon is also now a believer.
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And yeah, it's very, very comfortable.
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And it's sort of a confirmed
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how much I love this band design from Apple,
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like how easy it is to put it on, how accessible really it is to adjust,
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you know, just by turning the dial.
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Like it doesn't require all the fiddling of, for example,
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the dual loop strap.
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It's very easy to put on and adjust.
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And having one at the top of the head looks kind of ridiculous.
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But boy, is it comfortable. It's really, really comfortable.
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And I basically don't feel the Vision Pro on my face,
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like my cheekbones or my nose anymore with this system.
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And the other realization that I had over the past month was that
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the Vision Pro made me realize that I'm not really a VR guy,
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but I am so on board with AR and sort of the mixed reality approach.
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Like I never spend time in environment.
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I always like to keep an eye on what is going on around me,
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whether it's like my dogs or if Silvia is at home or...
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I use the Vision Pro at night a lot,
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and I just like to see that, you know, Silvia is sleeping
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and that the dogs are sleeping and that nothing is going on.
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I just like to be aware all the time, which I understand why for a lot of people,
00:56:16
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this is like the opposite of why they got a Vision Pro,
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because they want to be immersed.
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They want to sort of shut out the outside world.
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And I understand that.
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But for me, I just want to use this AR product from Apple.
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You know, I just I'm in pass-through mode all the time.
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And for that reason, I think it made more sense for me to get this accessory,
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the Air Cover, and basically use the Vision Pro as an AR/MR accessory.
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What is it like if you do use an environment, though?
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Like, obviously they work.
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Well, you see the environment, but then you see also like...
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Because you have real peripheral vision, right?
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The environment, you can actually look at the...
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It wraps around you, but there are basically on the left and right,
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two holes in your peripheral vision.
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And so it kind of...
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I mean, you can...
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So this is something that I've done.
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You can set up the environment in front of you
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and it kind of serves as a nice wallpaper of sorts.
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Like, I don't want to see my kitchen or I don't want to see my living room.
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I'm just going to dial in the environment.
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But it's not going to create that illusion of...
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I mean, I'm on the moon.
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I'm by a lake or something.
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It just creates a nicer backdrop.
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That's what it does.
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When you're looking at the pass-through and you have peripheral vision,
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do they match up?
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No, very good question.
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They mostly match up,
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but the one way to realize that they don't match up actually is to hold,
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like, for example, a finger really close to your face.
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And in your peripheral vision, you see that the finger is at a certain distance.
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In the Vision Pro pass-through, you see that it's more zoomed in or something.
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Like, you get different proportions, like a different distance.
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If I hold my index finger right next to my left eye, for example,
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and I look at it with actual peripheral vision, I see that it's at a certain distance.
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If I look at it from the pass-through, it's at a different distance.
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But this is not something that...
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Like, you only notice this if you're looking at objects that are both within the peripheral vision field
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and in the pass-through field.
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So, like, the same thing, you can see it in two different ways at the same time,
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but otherwise it's not a problem.
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Because, like, if I'm staring at my desk or something, I'm only looking at my desk from the pass-through.
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What do you call it? The dual solo loop bands.
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I'm struggling to understand the benefit of that over the dual loop.
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Take adjustment out of the equation, right?
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I never adjust it.
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Oh, interesting.
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So, I never adjust the dual loop because I just take it off and put it on again.
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Outside of adjustment, does it provide you other benefits?
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Well, I think it's more comfortable because it's larger,
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and so it's got, like, a wider surface area that, like, sits on your head.
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The fact that it's wider makes it more comfortable,
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and I could never get... I could never do what you just said, like, never adjust the dual loop.
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You couldn't find it, right.
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I couldn't fit it right, and I just...
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I love so much how you can just turn a dial to adjust the band.
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It is cool that you don't...
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Because when you do adjust the dual loop,
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the problem is it's very hard to actually make that adjustment.
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It's hard to do it because you've kind of got to pull,
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and then you've got to, like, wrap the velcro back around again.
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It's like a velcro system where the loop band, you just keep tightening it until it's tight, right?
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But you're not looking at it.
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And you're not looking at it, so you need to go for it, like, by feeling it,
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and I thought that was very uncomfortable.
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I don't understand, though, why they have not and did not ship my kind of, like, grail band,
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which was the one that we used at WWDC.
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Me neither. I don't get it.
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Which is the solo loop on the back.
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No, you can't. I tried.
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The dual loop is one piece.
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Yeah, you would have to destroy or really seriously modify the dual loop
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by cutting it and sort of re-knitting it yourself.
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Yeah, because it was one fixture, right?
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That went into the side of the Vision Pro, and it had the two pieces.
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I just don't understand.
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Because as you pointed out in your article, Federico, it's still in the imagery on the website.
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Like, it's in the original marketing video.
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Yeah, in the original marketing.
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Well, they replaced the images, I think, actually, and the frames in the videos.
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I think they did this, like, a couple of weeks ago.
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Yeah, they did that.
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Federico, if someone wanted to go down this road,
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like, say they just bought this thing on Etsy, and his name was Steven,
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what should the sizing be in relation to the solo knit band
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that goes around the back of your head versus the top of your head?
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Like, I think mine is a medium. Should I get another medium?
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No, you should get one size smaller for the top of your head.
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So I have medium in the back and S size on the top.
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That's how, typically, I guess, how human heads tend to be shaped.
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Yeah, unless you have, like, a tall head.
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And then maybe...
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Unless you have a tall head, I don't think you have a tall head.
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I think it's pretty...
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But for your type of haircut, also, I think you should get, like, one size smaller for the top.
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I tried with the same size, I tried with the M, and it was too loose.
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And, yeah, you want that top band to sort of balance the Vision Pro on your head,
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so that you don't feel the pressure, like, on your face anymore.
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Are you able to just buy the bands about, like, needing to go through a whole thing?
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You can do it with the license.
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Yeah, and they're very expensive.
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It's a hundred bucks.
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I'm doing it right now.
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Yeah. So, yeah, the Solo Top and another band is, like, highly recommended.
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And then the Air Cover accessory, which I believe was restocked this week,
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but they frequently run out of stock.
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That's optional, like, it really depends if you want to use the Vision Pro as a VR headset.
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Like, then keep using the light seal, add a secondary band, and you're going to love it.
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But if you want to go the extra mile and are interested in the idea of removing the light seal,
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I would highly recommend that you do get one of these accessories.
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One is the Air Cover, which is the one that I'm using.
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There's another one, which I'm waiting for it to arrive.
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I believe it's called the Vision Pro Open Face System or something like that.
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It's on Etsy.
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Yeah, that one is on Etsy, and so it's probably easier to buy.
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The Infinity One, the makers of the Air Cover, I believe it's a Spain-based company,
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so you got to account for shipping and all of that.
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And they frequently run out of stock.
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On Etsy, you will find the Open...
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I believe it's the Open Face System, but it's a similar product, but I have not tested it yet.
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Open Face System.
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Can we just consider that phrase for a second?
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Open Face System.
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It's like open AI.
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Let me confirm.
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I have a screenshot from John.
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Yeah, it's the Open Face System.
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Open Face System.
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Open Face System.
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I do love, I really do love the way that people spring up these little businesses.
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I find it so inspiring.
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There is such a tiny market, you know?
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And they're just really going for it.
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Like I'm looking at this page now.
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They have also the Bobo VR Me Plus ink front pad and Bobo VR adapters, in case you want that.
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Yeah, the Bobo VR adapters are pretty popular with some Quest users, I think.
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Yeah, it's a Bobo VR strap, but they've created an adapter for the Vision Pro
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that works with the Bobo VR strap.
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Man, these people are incredible.
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I tried, so to give you some context, like, so I literally tried all of the,
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so Stephen, you just posted that in Discord.
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The comfy top.
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Yeah, I was going to see if you use this.
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I have the comfy top.
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I have the comfy top.
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It's all right, but I'm not a fan because it requires using the light seal.
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And so for context, this is a thing that lets you put a second band,
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like a second solo knit band on the top of your head, but vertically.
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Yeah, front to back as opposed to side to side.
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It's kind of weird.
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And I didn't love how you need to put the plastic clip,
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sort of like fit it in between the light seal and the cushion.
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Yeah, I don't like that.
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Kind of awkward.
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I tried that.
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I tried all of the other adapters and I settled on the solo top.
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I also tried this other adapter by a company called VR Panda.
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It's real name of real company.
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They make sort of like this.
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I don't even know how to describe it.
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I believe it's called the Halo strap.
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Yeah, it's called the half circle Halo strap for the Vision Pro.
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So it's like this.
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No, I didn't try.
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I didn't try the Halo strap.
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I tried something that goes like in the back of your head and it's like a giant cushion
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that you put basically above your neck.
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Let me see if I can find the link.
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It was all right, but also not a huge fan.
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And the system that I wrote about that I settled on,
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I've been using this for basically the past month and I haven't changed it at all.
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And that's what I recommend.
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The comfort module.
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That's what I tried from VR Panda.
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And you can get it in orange, which is nice.
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And I'm going to put a link in Discord.
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And it will be in the show notes.
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Federico, you just need to get 3D printer, man.
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Like you should get a 3D printer, I think.
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Because surely most of these things you can just buy the printer file.
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And then you can have to deal with the whole like place to place to place to place.
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And you can put it in your garage or whatever garage.
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Yeah, I should do it.
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Yeah, I should probably do it.
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At some point I will consider it because you can't buy the files.
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Yeah, because all these mods that you do, like, because clearly you're in this world now, right?
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Like you are, I mean, you, you, you are, you've been mod curious.
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Now you're like full on mod.
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You're a full on mod.
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You're, you're always modded.
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Mod left, right and center.
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And so I figured, you know, speak to Steven.
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He knows about VR, VR 3D printing and you should, I think you should do it.
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And like the final thing I wanted to say is that doing this, um, like I said, I wrote about it,
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but I have been using it for a few weeks and, and it's, I'm looking at my vision program.
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Now it's still what I'm using.
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It makes me use the vision pro a lot more and it makes me enjoy the vision pro a lot more.
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Uh, because I figured that, you know, before, before the vision pro announcement, when it
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became clear that Apple was going to do a VR headset, uh, but if you go back to a few years
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ago, we were all really excited about the idea of Apple doing glasses, like actual glasses.
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And then, uh, we understood that that product is still pretty much a ways out, but these
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accessories, they let me use the vision pro as basically giant, heavy, really thick glasses,
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um, without the light seal.
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And that's what I wanted.
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Like I, I want to have something that is in AR mode all the time in pass-through mode all
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And that's the product I wanted.
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I think the environments and the immersive video, like, like all that stuff is fun, but
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mostly I just want to use this thing as a computer.
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And if I want to use it as a computer every afternoon, when I'm working, I want to be
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in pass-through mode and I don't want to be isolated and using it like this.
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It makes me enjoy like the purchase a lot more.
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And ultimately, you know, you gotta be happy with something that you buy, especially something
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that is so expensive.
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And so I think I've found a way to be, to be happier than I was with the light seal.
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I love that you're tinkering with it.
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I ordered some stuff.
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I'm going to try the dual solo knit band.
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The clips you need, there's a different version.
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I think you mentioned this for the, if you're using a developer strap or not.
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It's this, yeah, that's the Solo Top Dev, which I have because I do have a developer
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strap hoping that eventually it'll get more functionalities than what it basically right
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now it does nothing.
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So, but if Apple ever allows for, allows for like Thunderbolt devices or ethernet, I'm
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going to go back to using the developer strap every day.
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Right now I'm just back to the regular straps.
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I had it on for a little while doing some stuff in Widget Smith and it was like, if
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you're not using it, it just gets in the way.
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And I even tried like, what if I had like a little piece of Velcro and like, so it wasn't
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flapping around and I just ended up swapping it, swapping it back.
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But I suspect that thing may learn some new tricks at some point.
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It's like having a weird tech ponytail, but like on the side of your head.
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That's a side pony.
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I got my side pony dongle.
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It's kind of weird when it's just flapping around like that and you're not using it.
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And even when you are using it, what it does is like, it's maybe faster when you're taking
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screenshots with Reality Composer, but like, Wi-Fi also works.
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So whatever.
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And it, you know, it, you're drumming through some hoops, but it does, it does work.
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