Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to Connected episode 483 and happy new year.

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00:00:19 ◼   ► My name is Stephen Hackett and I have the pleasure of being joined by Mr. Mike Hurley.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Well, hello there.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Hello.

00:00:26 ◼   ► It's just the two of us today.

00:00:28 ◼   ► It is.

00:00:28 ◼   ► So we're not, we're not annies today, no annies today because we are absent Federico.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Annies next week.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Did you think it was this week?

00:00:39 ◼   ► Tell the truth.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Oh, 100% I did.

00:00:42 ◼   ► Wait, isn't that, wait, I've gotten the names mixed up.

00:00:45 ◼   ► This isn't the annies, it's annual rickies.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Rickies?

00:00:48 ◼   ► No, it's the annies.

00:00:49 ◼   ► What are we, what is it called?

00:00:50 ◼   ► The annies.

00:00:51 ◼   ► No, annies is what we just did.

00:00:53 ◼   ► It's the year in review.

00:00:55 ◼   ► Is it?

00:00:56 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:00:57 ◼   ► So annual picks, annual rickies.

00:00:59 ◼   ► Okay.

00:01:00 ◼   ► We're not doing the rickies, but yes, I prepared for the rickies.

00:01:03 ◼   ► I've done all of it.

00:01:04 ◼   ► I've done all of my picks because I thought it was this week.

00:01:06 ◼   ► I forgot.

00:01:07 ◼   ► I even got my risky approved and everything.

00:01:10 ◼   ► So like I'm, I'm done.

00:01:11 ◼   ► So I'm just ready and waiting for next week.

00:01:14 ◼   ► That's when I knew you were off by a week.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Because you're like, what do you think about this risky?

00:01:17 ◼   ► I was like, wow, he's on top of it.

00:01:18 ◼   ► Oh no, he thinks it's in two days.

00:01:20 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:22 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:23 ◼   ► It was great.

00:01:24 ◼   ► I forgot the planning.

00:01:25 ◼   ► I forgot how we were planning this one out, but we will be doing it next week.

00:01:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:30 ◼   ► New Year's takes a little bit longer in Italy is what we're saying.

00:01:32 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:33 ◼   ► This hasn't hit them yet.

00:01:34 ◼   ► It will be new year in like two more days.

00:01:38 ◼   ► Little known fact.

00:01:39 ◼   ► Due to the curvature of the earth.

00:01:42 ◼   ► Okay.

00:01:45 ◼   ► Let's start the new year with some old stuff and talk about follow-up.

00:01:51 ◼   ► Kurt wrote in one last submerged AirPod story.

00:01:56 ◼   ► This will sound wild, but I swear it's true.

00:01:57 ◼   ► I was doing some painting when I had my right AirPod Pro drop into a gallon of paint.

00:02:04 ◼   ► I immediately wrote it off and even ordered the overpriced single AirPod to replace it.

00:02:11 ◼   ► That's a sad story.

00:02:13 ◼   ► About a week later when I hit the bottom of the paint can, the old AirPod emerged.

00:02:17 ◼   ► I carefully wiped it off and it still works.

00:02:21 ◼   ► I'm convinced that the high viscosity of the paint kept it from intruding too much.

00:02:25 ◼   ► Science is good.

00:02:27 ◼   ► I don't believe this story is true.

00:02:29 ◼   ► You think it's made up?

00:02:30 ◼   ► I'm just going to tell you this right now.

00:02:31 ◼   ► I don't believe that this story is true.

00:02:33 ◼   ► I'm not saying that this person lied, but I also don't think they're telling the truth.

00:02:37 ◼   ► This doesn't seem possible to me.

00:02:41 ◼   ► It's got to be wrecked, right?

00:02:42 ◼   ► How could it not be wrecked?

00:02:43 ◼   ► I don't understand.

00:02:44 ◼   ► How could it live inside a tin of paint for a week and not die?

00:02:52 ◼   ► It seems like it would be dead.

00:02:55 ◼   ► I don't understand how that could happen.

00:03:00 ◼   ► Maybe there needs to be somebody smarter than me who can explain why this is the case, but

00:03:03 ◼   ► this just feels like it doesn't make any sense to me that this AirPod could continue to survive.

00:03:11 ◼   ► It seems like it did.

00:03:12 ◼   ► I don't know if there's any way ARK can prove this, but if you can, let us know.

00:03:19 ◼   ► Big news, Mike.

00:03:21 ◼   ► Nope.

00:03:22 ◼   ► Tim Cook will be at Relay 10.

00:03:24 ◼   ► No, I've consulted the legal team.

00:03:27 ◼   ► You cannot say that.

00:03:29 ◼   ► That is not something that you legally are allowed to say.

00:03:31 ◼   ► Where did this image come from, then?

00:03:33 ◼   ► I don't know, but I don't know if it's a real photo.

00:03:37 ◼   ► It could be a real photo, but it's got nothing to do with it.

00:03:40 ◼   ► Can you explain this?

00:03:41 ◼   ► This was weeks ago now that this came up.

00:03:45 ◼   ► We talked about that picture of Tim Cook standing in front of the Vision Pro that was very clearly

00:03:50 ◼   ► photoshopped with his arms crossed.

00:03:55 ◼   ► We said, "Yeah, you can just put them in front of anything."

00:03:56 ◼   ► Then listener Taylor sent this image in, which is in the show notes and in the Discord, of

00:04:01 ◼   ► Tim Cook standing in the theater where we're doing the 10th anniversary show in July.

00:04:07 ◼   ► He's there.

00:04:08 ◼   ► He's waiting for us.

00:04:09 ◼   ► That would be...

00:04:11 ◼   ► Can you imagine if we landed Tim?

00:04:15 ◼   ► It'd be a big get.

00:04:16 ◼   ► He was just on one of the Fortunate Family teams.

00:04:19 ◼   ► Oh, so he's not even in the audience, but he's also not even being interviewed.

00:04:29 ◼   ► He's just one of...

00:04:30 ◼   ► He's just on the team.

00:04:31 ◼   ► He's on the team.

00:04:32 ◼   ► I will say, if Tim showed up and was just in the audience, I would be perturbed by that.

00:04:38 ◼   ► What if he was in the audience and we saw him, but we didn't do a shout out or anything?

00:04:42 ◼   ► That would throw me off.

00:04:43 ◼   ► He would nod a little bit like, "Hey, man."

00:04:47 ◼   ► I would be thrown off if I looked out and saw him in the crowd.

00:04:54 ◼   ► That would throw me off.

00:04:56 ◼   ► It seems like Eddie Q maybe would be more exciting to have in the audience because he

00:05:01 ◼   ► might throw something at us.

00:05:02 ◼   ► You've seen pictures of him at the sidelines of basketball games.

00:05:05 ◼   ► He gets fired up.

00:05:07 ◼   ► Maybe someone would answer a question wrong and he would just lose it.

00:05:12 ◼   ► Lose it.

00:05:13 ◼   ► Storm the stage.

00:05:14 ◼   ► Could be.

00:05:15 ◼   ► I don't think we're going to have any Apple executives on stage.

00:05:19 ◼   ► No, we're not going to.

00:05:23 ◼   ► I don't know why you keep couching.

00:05:24 ◼   ► It's not going to happen.

00:05:26 ◼   ► We know what the show is.

00:05:28 ◼   ► I don't want them there.

00:05:30 ◼   ► It's not for them.

00:05:31 ◼   ► It's for us.

00:05:34 ◼   ► We're doing an event celebrating us and then Tim Cook shows up and then everyone's just

00:05:39 ◼   ► talking about Tim Cook.

00:05:40 ◼   ► I want them talking about me and you.

00:05:42 ◼   ► You know?

00:05:43 ◼   ► That's true.

00:05:44 ◼   ► Yeah, the Mac Roomers article would be like at some podcast thing.

00:05:46 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:05:47 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:05:48 ◼   ► It's like, "Get out of here."

00:05:50 ◼   ► Get out of here.

00:05:51 ◼   ► You know?

00:05:52 ◼   ► We don't want you.

00:05:53 ◼   ► Go away.

00:05:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Go back to your stocks.

00:05:56 ◼   ► Get out of here.

00:05:57 ◼   ► Go back to do something else.

00:05:58 ◼   ► Go back to the gym.

00:06:00 ◼   ► Get out of here.

00:06:02 ◼   ► Jeez.

00:06:04 ◼   ► Wes wrote in looking for consumer advice.

00:06:07 ◼   ► We're definitely the podcast for you.

00:06:09 ◼   ► We're pretty good at it, I think.

00:06:11 ◼   ► I think so.

00:06:12 ◼   ► We're the show for you, Wes.

00:06:13 ◼   ► Wes wrote in, "I've been a listener of Connected and MPU for going on six years."

00:06:18 ◼   ► Thanks, Wes.

00:06:19 ◼   ► "I'm an educator, writer, and minister going on sabbatical in January.

00:06:23 ◼   ► I need a space away from the rest of my family.

00:06:25 ◼   ► So inspired by Mega Studio and the pod cabin, my father-in-law and I are building a writing

00:06:30 ◼   ► shed in the backyard.

00:06:32 ◼   ► At Mac, would you recommend I put in my cabin?

00:06:35 ◼   ► I have a work-issued M1 MacBook Pro, but I want a dedicated computer for the space.

00:06:39 ◼   ► My main goal is to conserve space, write, and research in the cabin."

00:06:44 ◼   ► What do you think?

00:06:45 ◼   ► A Mac Mini?

00:06:47 ◼   ► But then you need a display.

00:06:50 ◼   ► But it's a dedicated computer, right?

00:06:52 ◼   ► So it's not going to move.

00:06:55 ◼   ► My thought was a MacBook Air.

00:06:57 ◼   ► Because it's like super little.

00:06:59 ◼   ► You can just stick it in a drawer if you're doing something on the desk that you don't

00:07:03 ◼   ► want the computer for.

00:07:05 ◼   ► And then you have a MacBook Air at the end of it, which is a cool computer.

00:07:08 ◼   ► I know you're a big desktop user.

00:07:10 ◼   ► You know, you're trying to... you'd have this guy buy a Mac Pro probably, but you got to

00:07:14 ◼   ► embrace the laptop lifestyle like the rest of us.

00:07:16 ◼   ► I think a Mac Mini is the answer.

00:07:18 ◼   ► Because you can put together a cheaper set.

00:07:23 ◼   ► A Mac Mini plus a studio display?

00:07:25 ◼   ► Who said studio?

00:07:27 ◼   ► You said studio display.

00:07:28 ◼   ► I said display.

00:07:29 ◼   ► Oh, so you're going to get him to buy some janky thing off Amazon.

00:07:32 ◼   ► I don't have a studio display at the machine that I'm talking to you about.

00:07:35 ◼   ► I have an LG display and then also some Dell display.

00:07:39 ◼   ► It's very doable.

00:07:41 ◼   ► And janky.

00:07:42 ◼   ► Yeah, sure.

00:07:43 ◼   ► I mean, to be fair, you have had and owned and used all of the displays, so you would

00:07:49 ◼   ► know.

00:07:50 ◼   ► That's true.

00:07:51 ◼   ► I think Mac Mini and a display and then some keyboard and mouse would be great.

00:07:57 ◼   ► Because if you're a writer, you shouldn't be using a laptop keyboard.

00:08:01 ◼   ► You got to use something with some panache to it.

00:08:04 ◼   ► You got to get some mechanical keyboard all up in there.

00:08:08 ◼   ► You can feel the keys doing their thing as you're writing.

00:08:11 ◼   ► And I also feel like if you want it to be dedicated and you want to write in that space,

00:08:15 ◼   ► laptop is not good because you'll be tempted to take it out.

00:08:18 ◼   ► And I think you want a machine, you buy a display once, you have the display for 10

00:08:24 ◼   ► years and you could replace the Mac Mini if you want a few times.

00:08:27 ◼   ► I'm definitely in the desktop life now, even with my laptop.

00:08:34 ◼   ► That's what I think.

00:08:35 ◼   ► If this is a dedicated space and you already have a laptop, get a Mac Mini.

00:08:39 ◼   ► Steven says get a MacBook Air.

00:08:41 ◼   ► Get a MacBook Air.

00:08:43 ◼   ► If only Federico was here.

00:08:45 ◼   ► He would say get an iPad or a Surface.

00:08:48 ◼   ► You don't want to do that.

00:08:50 ◼   ► No.

00:08:51 ◼   ► Those things are dead.

00:08:52 ◼   ► You can't do a real sabbatical with an iPad, as they say.

00:08:55 ◼   ► Everyone knows the one thing you can't do on an iPad is write.

00:09:00 ◼   ► I will say I was working on an article for something, a long form piece of writing.

00:09:08 ◼   ► What?

00:09:09 ◼   ► Long form for me.

00:09:10 ◼   ► Who are you?

00:09:11 ◼   ► A couple of hundred words.

00:09:12 ◼   ► Can you imagine?

00:09:13 ◼   ► I was working on something when I was away and I didn't have my laptop and I had my iPad

00:09:17 ◼   ► Mini.

00:09:18 ◼   ► I had my iPad Mini screen, the keyboard.

00:09:22 ◼   ► I hated it so much.

00:09:24 ◼   ► It was so bad.

00:09:25 ◼   ► It was a terrible time.

00:09:27 ◼   ► Bye everyone.

00:09:29 ◼   ► This is where I admit that Wes's feedback is several weeks old.

00:09:32 ◼   ► Wes may have already bought a computer.

00:09:34 ◼   ► I hope that Wes made the right decision and bought a Mac Mini.

00:09:38 ◼   ► And I hope the writing schedule goes well.

00:09:39 ◼   ► It's very exciting.

00:09:40 ◼   ► Let us know.

00:09:41 ◼   ► Wes, let us know who won.

00:09:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:46 ◼   ► Wes bought a Mac Studio.

00:09:48 ◼   ► So, thus concludes follow up.

00:09:52 ◼   ► Congratulations.

00:09:53 ◼   ► We've done it.

00:09:54 ◼   ► The first follow up of the new year.

00:09:56 ◼   ► Happy new year.

00:09:57 ◼   ► Happy new year.

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00:12:38 ◼   ► So Wes's question made me think about workspaces and I wondered if you had anything that you

00:12:46 ◼   ► wanted to do differently in the pod cabin in 2024.

00:12:50 ◼   ► I'd like to expand it.

00:12:52 ◼   ► No, I'm just kidding.

00:12:53 ◼   ► Oh, here we go.

00:12:55 ◼   ► I want to put a new level on the top.

00:12:57 ◼   ► That's right.

00:12:58 ◼   ► We're going up, baby.

00:12:59 ◼   ► The other way is up.

00:13:00 ◼   ► Actually, I was thinking about going down.

00:13:01 ◼   ► You'd want such a huge staircase to go up.

00:13:03 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:13:04 ◼   ► The ceiling's so high.

00:13:05 ◼   ► It is.

00:13:06 ◼   ► You would lose half of the floor plan to just put the staircase spiraling around, you know?

00:13:12 ◼   ► Well, use the staircase to go up, use the fire pole to come down, obviously.

00:13:15 ◼   ► Yeah, baby.

00:13:16 ◼   ► Let's go.

00:13:17 ◼   ► No, I mean, so this marks my third year in the expanded office, the beginning of the

00:13:22 ◼   ► third year.

00:13:24 ◼   ► And I really don't have any major plans for changes.

00:13:28 ◼   ► I feel like overall, the the bones of it are good.

00:13:32 ◼   ► There are a couple of work space related projects I'd like to get done this year, one of them

00:13:38 ◼   ► being inventory, the collection for realties this time.

00:13:42 ◼   ► This has been on my list for a couple of years, but I really need to get it done.

00:13:47 ◼   ► So that may hopefully that will happen.

00:13:49 ◼   ► But also, I have I being relay FM has accumulated quite a bit of equipment over the last 10

00:13:56 ◼   ► years, not all of which we use anymore.

00:13:58 ◼   ► And so I also have a task for them work on in the spring, kind of going through our equipment

00:14:05 ◼   ► and making sure inventory is correct, but also like seeing what we need to keep seeing

00:14:10 ◼   ► if we can clean house a little bit.

00:14:12 ◼   ► Because we have we got a bunch of stuff that we use in different stages of like our live

00:14:16 ◼   ► show production that I've just kept that we don't actually need anymore.

00:14:20 ◼   ► And I feel like I could get some space back with some spring cleaning.

00:14:25 ◼   ► A lot of microphones.

00:14:26 ◼   ► Lot of microphones.

00:14:27 ◼   ► There's a whole drawer of them over there.

00:14:28 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:14:29 ◼   ► Probably don't need all of them.

00:14:31 ◼   ► What about you?

00:14:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I've been in mega studio for three years now.

00:14:38 ◼   ► And I mostly have not changed it at all.

00:14:41 ◼   ► Like it's kind of been the original layout.

00:14:45 ◼   ► And I want to make some changes to my recording desk this year.

00:14:52 ◼   ► So as it stands right now, I am facing the wall.

00:14:58 ◼   ► And I have behind me these like panels.

00:15:00 ◼   ► If anyone's ever seen a clip from the upgrade, we do like the web, the video clips, web clips.

00:15:07 ◼   ► What am I talking about?

00:15:08 ◼   ► You'd like the video clip.

00:15:09 ◼   ► You sound so old.

00:15:11 ◼   ► Yeah, we do a special webisodes.

00:15:13 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, yeah, we're doing those.

00:15:17 ◼   ► And I want to make this desk better for video.

00:15:23 ◼   ► And so I want to flip my desk around.

00:15:26 ◼   ► So behind me is the wall.

00:15:28 ◼   ► But I want to put some like bookshelves, like some shelving behind me to put stuff on.

00:15:33 ◼   ► So it's like, aesthetically pleasing.

00:15:36 ◼   ► Do you want me to build a Calex for you when I come in July?

00:15:39 ◼   ► Absolutely not.

00:15:40 ◼   ► No, I am buying...

00:15:41 ◼   ► I'll make sure it's screwed into the wall so it doesn't fall over.

00:15:45 ◼   ► Not going to bother screwing it into the wall.

00:15:47 ◼   ► What's the point?

00:15:49 ◼   ► I'm gonna get some I found like these IKEA shelves that I like the look of that aren't

00:15:53 ◼   ► Calex and I was looking at the ones you had, but then I found some different ones that

00:15:57 ◼   ► I liked.

00:15:58 ◼   ► They just look pleasing.

00:15:59 ◼   ► And probably gonna put my keyboards and stuff like that behind me.

00:16:02 ◼   ► So it'll look good, right?

00:16:03 ◼   ► As a visual also gives me somewhere to put all my keyboards.

00:16:06 ◼   ► Are you gonna you're gonna do some lighting so you can like light them and look really

00:16:09 ◼   ► cool in the background?

00:16:10 ◼   ► I hadn't thought about that.

00:16:11 ◼   ► But that's probably a good thing to do.

00:16:13 ◼   ► I could I could get some of that like those like light strips or whatever.

00:16:17 ◼   ► I might do that actually.

00:16:18 ◼   ► That'd be sweet.

00:16:19 ◼   ► I'm gonna write that down.

00:16:20 ◼   ► Let me write that down.

00:16:21 ◼   ► Okay.

00:16:22 ◼   ► Do you have a notebook or something to use for that?

00:16:24 ◼   ► I have the Sidekick notepad right in front of me.

00:16:26 ◼   ► But I do use Notion.

00:16:29 ◼   ► I'm using Notion to plan this out.

00:16:30 ◼   ► That's the way I do things these days.

00:16:33 ◼   ► Light strips, or shelves.

00:16:38 ◼   ► And I'm gonna I need to I know I'm gonna have to redo the way the desk is arranged, but

00:16:44 ◼   ► I don't know what that's gonna look like yet because I have like the two monitors and stuff

00:16:48 ◼   ► and I think I'm gonna need to redo that.

00:16:52 ◼   ► This is the original Steven face desk.

00:16:55 ◼   ► Yes.

00:16:56 ◼   ► That I'll still be using.

00:16:57 ◼   ► And I'm thinking about for video, getting a refurb iPhone to use as a camera instead.

00:17:07 ◼   ► Because webcams suck.

00:17:08 ◼   ► This is what I've found out.

00:17:11 ◼   ► Using a proper camera, you know, like an actual camera camera as a webcam would look good.

00:17:15 ◼   ► But I also want to be able to use this setup to do like other video stuff like Instagram

00:17:24 ◼   ► reels and stuff like that.

00:17:28 ◼   ► So using an iPhone for that is perfect because I can very easily do portrait content and

00:17:33 ◼   ► then share the video right from the iPhone itself.

00:17:36 ◼   ► And so I think I'll be able to set it up so I can have like dual purpose with it.

00:17:40 ◼   ► Because I'm finding myself doing more of that, wanting to do more of that and needing to

00:17:44 ◼   ► do more for various projects.

00:17:47 ◼   ► And so I think it would be really cool for that.

00:17:51 ◼   ► So I have to and then I'm gonna have to see how that kind of the spacing of all of this

00:17:55 ◼   ► would affect the rest of the studio.

00:17:57 ◼   ► Like I might have to move some other things around because I don't yet know like how much

00:18:02 ◼   ► space I'm going to need between the desk and the wall really to make that comfortable.

00:18:07 ◼   ► So I might have to do some more moving around.

00:18:10 ◼   ► Once I've gotten this set, so like priority number one is getting everything ready for

00:18:15 ◼   ► the studio, like for the recording area.

00:18:20 ◼   ► And this is one of those things where it's like once I start this project, it has to

00:18:23 ◼   ► be completed quickly, because I will be breaking down my recording right area.

00:18:28 ◼   ► Yeah, you gotta have everything like staged and ready to go.

00:18:32 ◼   ► Yes, and like maybe do it in like two or three days and it's got to be done, right.

00:18:36 ◼   ► So this is one of those things where I'm like, I'm taking time to try and properly plan it

00:18:40 ◼   ► all out before I make any moves of it.

00:18:45 ◼   ► And then once I've gotten that all set, and any knock on effects have been had, I want

00:18:51 ◼   ► to get like a new desk slash table in the studio that can just be for design stuff.

00:18:58 ◼   ► Because like at the moment, I don't really have a space for that.

00:19:02 ◼   ► And it's something where I can occupy a lot of physical space very quickly if I've like

00:19:07 ◼   ► got lots of sheets of paper, books and stuff like that.

00:19:11 ◼   ► I also want to be away from computers when I do this.

00:19:14 ◼   ► And so I think like my different inspiration stuff, all my drawing tools and like all in

00:19:20 ◼   ► one space, I really like the idea of that just having this one desk, which is that's

00:19:24 ◼   ► what this desk is for.

00:19:25 ◼   ► It's that kind of how I kind of your overhead desk.

00:19:30 ◼   ► You know, like that it's, I know its purpose changed a lot over time, but like it has always

00:19:34 ◼   ► been like, hey, this is a single purpose thing, right.

00:19:39 ◼   ► And I want to have one of those.

00:19:41 ◼   ► But where that's going to go, I don't know yet until I've like done the most important

00:19:45 ◼   ► thing, which is rearranging this desk and kind of getting it better for video.

00:19:51 ◼   ► So that's kind of a big project that I've got that I'm trying to work through right

00:19:56 ◼   ► now.

00:19:57 ◼   ► But I'm starting, the pieces are starting to fall into place.

00:20:00 ◼   ► Do you have a code name for this project?

00:20:04 ◼   ► I don't think I do.

00:20:05 ◼   ► No.

00:20:06 ◼   ► Should we work on one?

00:20:08 ◼   ► We can.

00:20:09 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:10 ◼   ► I'm trying to think.

00:20:12 ◼   ► The problem with code names to me right now is my new assistant sees all of these projects

00:20:18 ◼   ► and I want them to make sense to her.

00:20:21 ◼   ► Well you just need a database in Notion mapping the code names.

00:20:24 ◼   ► The project names.

00:20:25 ◼   ► To the real ones.

00:20:28 ◼   ► My immediate thought was Project Hollywood because it's all about video.

00:20:31 ◼   ► I'm in.

00:20:32 ◼   ► I'm in.

00:20:33 ◼   ► Project Hollywood.

00:20:34 ◼   ► You've done it.

00:20:35 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't think you could come up with something better than that.

00:20:37 ◼   ► There we go.

00:20:38 ◼   ► It's in Notion now.

00:20:40 ◼   ► Project Hollywood.

00:20:41 ◼   ► Perfect.

00:20:42 ◼   ► You're a genius.

00:20:44 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:20:46 ◼   ► I love it.

00:20:47 ◼   ► Project Hollywood, baby.

00:20:48 ◼   ► Project Hollywood.

00:20:49 ◼   ► We're going Hollywood.

00:20:50 ◼   ► Let's go.

00:20:51 ◼   ► So like the stuff that I want to do, I want to make some, and I want to like dabble with

00:20:59 ◼   ► real stuff, but like just me talking to the camera, but really I need it for Cortex brand

00:21:05 ◼   ► stuff.

00:21:06 ◼   ► Like Kerry's like, make this real.

00:21:07 ◼   ► I have to go make it.

00:21:09 ◼   ► And I would like to have, one, I would like to just have a place where I can just very

00:21:16 ◼   ► easily make that content without having to think too much for it.

00:21:19 ◼   ► And also I would like to maybe get one of those, what are they, prompt us or something.

00:21:29 ◼   ► Because I usually need to say a bunch of stuff, right?

00:21:31 ◼   ► And it's just easier if I just had a prompt and I could read it.

00:21:35 ◼   ► I saw that David got the prompt, the Elgato prompt, and he seemed to dig it.

00:21:39 ◼   ► So I might do that.

00:21:41 ◼   ► I've got one here in a box.

00:21:42 ◼   ► I haven't, I haven't said it.

00:21:43 ◼   ► Oh, I'll be keen to know what you think of that.

00:21:46 ◼   ► But I thought that that would be a very easy way to be able to produce content and like

00:21:52 ◼   ► do what needs to be done with it, you know, like achieve what I'm supposed to.

00:21:57 ◼   ► So we'll see.

00:21:58 ◼   ► I might do that.

00:21:59 ◼   ► That's, that's like a, let me get everything else set first and then maybe I'll look at

00:22:03 ◼   ► doing something like that.

00:22:04 ◼   ► I don't even know how well that works with an iPhone, if at all.

00:22:07 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:22:08 ◼   ► Uh, I need to, I need to play with it.

00:22:12 ◼   ► I get the impression that you can kind of make it work with everything, but I don't

00:22:15 ◼   ► know.

00:22:16 ◼   ► It comes with a bunch of like attachment things, kind of like the vision pros on the come with

00:22:20 ◼   ► all that.

00:22:21 ◼   ► Was it the light shields?

00:22:23 ◼   ► So I feel like you could adapt it to almost anything, but I plan on getting to mine, opening

00:22:29 ◼   ► mine pretty soon.

00:22:30 ◼   ► I just haven't gotten a chance to get to it yet.

00:22:32 ◼   ► What do you have it for?

00:22:33 ◼   ► Uh, cause I like to do some more video stuff too.

00:22:37 ◼   ► And even just doing like our, um, you know, we do a bunch of like St. Jude meetings and

00:22:42 ◼   ► stuff.

00:22:43 ◼   ► I'm going to play my game with, uh, some professionalism.

00:22:46 ◼   ► Wait, so why would you, so you can, the Elgato one, you, you, the max sees it as an external

00:22:51 ◼   ► screen so you can like put the zoom call on it or put your document on it or whatever.

00:22:58 ◼   ► So we'll see.

00:22:59 ◼   ► We'll see if it sticks or not.

00:23:00 ◼   ► I may end up shipping you mine.

00:23:02 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:23:03 ◼   ► Okay.

00:23:04 ◼   ► It does say it works with a phone, but it might need, the phone might need to be in

00:23:08 ◼   ► a certain like configuration.

00:23:10 ◼   ► But they do say that you can use a phone with it.

00:23:13 ◼   ► So, but I don't know if you can do it portrait or landscape or whatever, but with enough

00:23:17 ◼   ► gaff tape, anything will work with it.

00:23:19 ◼   ► You know what?

00:23:20 ◼   ► That's a really good point.

00:23:21 ◼   ► That's a really good point.

00:23:22 ◼   ► So what, what would you, would you plan to put like a proper camera behind it then?

00:23:25 ◼   ► Like for you?

00:23:26 ◼   ► I currently have a Sony, uh, what is it?

00:23:29 ◼   ► The VZ one or ZV one.

00:23:31 ◼   ► Always look really good on our video calls.

00:23:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:34 ◼   ► I currently have one of those hooked up on a little, on a little mount over my laptop.

00:23:38 ◼   ► I have a Logitech Brio and I hate it.

00:23:45 ◼   ► Let's talk about slightly larger iPhones.

00:23:48 ◼   ► See if we can break the El Gato.

00:23:50 ◼   ► That's right.

00:23:51 ◼   ► Already.

00:23:52 ◼   ► That's right.

00:23:53 ◼   ► This, uh, this story on MacRumors caught my eye, uh, looking at possible changes to the,

00:24:02 ◼   ► uh, you keep adding things to the links.

00:24:04 ◼   ► I'm very confused.

00:24:05 ◼   ► That used to be my job.

00:24:06 ◼   ► Now is it suddenly your job?

00:24:07 ◼   ► Absolutely.

00:24:08 ◼   ► Was this never your job?

00:24:09 ◼   ► I have been adding the links to connect to Ms. Yes.

00:24:14 ◼   ► How many weeks did we take off?

00:24:16 ◼   ► You have you forgotten that this is what I do for our show?

00:24:20 ◼   ► Maybe I did.

00:24:21 ◼   ► Uh, I do on a regular basis accidentally add things to the wrong show all the time.

00:24:26 ◼   ► So I got doing all the time MPU and I add a link to connected or to something else.

00:24:29 ◼   ► It's bad, but I have managed the adding of the links to the CMS for the entire run of

00:24:34 ◼   ► this podcast.

00:24:35 ◼   ► That has always been my job.

00:24:36 ◼   ► Well, I'm just going to close that tab then.

00:24:39 ◼   ► You've gotten very confused.

00:24:41 ◼   ► Slightly, slightly larger iPhone.

00:24:44 ◼   ► I can't believe that you just, that's very strange to me that you're just like, Oh, I

00:24:48 ◼   ► do this.

00:24:49 ◼   ► What is that meme?

00:24:51 ◼   ► Right?

00:24:52 ◼   ► This is mine.

00:24:53 ◼   ► You take it.

00:24:54 ◼   ► I made this.

00:24:55 ◼   ► That's right.

00:24:56 ◼   ► That's you.

00:24:57 ◼   ► Take my, do you do it for MPU?

00:24:58 ◼   ► Yes.

00:24:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:00 ◼   ► Okay.

00:25:01 ◼   ► That must be where you're getting confused.

00:25:02 ◼   ► And I've recorded like three MPU since I did the last connected.

00:25:03 ◼   ► So maybe I'm just in that.

00:25:05 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:06 ◼   ► And MPU fever dream.

00:25:08 ◼   ► Always.

00:25:09 ◼   ► So the iPhone 15 pro has a 6.1 inch display and the iPhone 15 pro max the world's best

00:25:18 ◼   ► iPhone is at 6.7.

00:25:21 ◼   ► And according to multiple sources, decided by this Mac rumors article, the 16 pro will

00:25:29 ◼   ► go to 6.3 inches.

00:25:30 ◼   ► So up 0.2 inches diagonal.

00:25:33 ◼   ► And the same for the pro max.

00:25:34 ◼   ► It'd go from 6.7 to 6.9.

00:25:38 ◼   ► That's 170 to 174 millimeters for our metric friends.

00:25:43 ◼   ► So the, the pro phones, according to this would get a little bit bigger, but the regular

00:25:48 ◼   ► iPhone 16 and iPhone 16 plus would retain the old sizes 6.1 and 6.7.

00:25:56 ◼   ► So if you went to a store, if you light them up by size, you would have the iPhone 16 at

00:26:03 ◼   ► 6.1 inches, the iPhone 16 pro at 6.3, the iPhone 16 pro 16 plus at 6.7 and the iPhone

00:26:17 ◼   ► 16 pro max at 6.9.

00:26:21 ◼   ► That tracks to me.

00:26:22 ◼   ► I think that kind of makes sense.

00:26:23 ◼   ► They will get bigger from, so it will be consistent, right?

00:26:28 ◼   ► That like the plus will be bigger than the pro.

00:26:31 ◼   ► The max will be bigger than the plus.

00:26:34 ◼   ► Wait, I need to draw that out.

00:26:35 ◼   ► The regular iPhone is the smallest.

00:26:39 ◼   ► Pro is a bit bigger.

00:26:40 ◼   ► Plus is a bit bigger.

00:26:42 ◼   ► Max is the biggest.

00:26:43 ◼   ► Pro max is the biggest.

00:26:44 ◼   ► I don't think I like the idea of the pro max getting bigger.

00:26:49 ◼   ► I don't know how I feel about the phone, the physical size of the phone getting larger,

00:26:55 ◼   ► even though it's only a little bit.

00:26:57 ◼   ► But like the screen getting bigger is fine, but the fact that the phone will actually

00:27:02 ◼   ► get bigger, I don't know.

00:27:04 ◼   ► It's only by a few millimeters though, so maybe you won't notice it.

00:27:08 ◼   ► But yeah, I don't really know why they're doing this to be honest.

00:27:12 ◼   ► Like it just doesn't, I don't understand the point of this.

00:27:16 ◼   ► The article does say that maybe this would allow for more like internal changes.

00:27:21 ◼   ► Maybe they could put more battery in there or whatever, which would be nice, I suppose.

00:27:24 ◼   ► But like this is to me a curious decision to make phones bigger.

00:27:32 ◼   ► I will say at 6.9 inches, the iPhone 16 pro max would be almost twice the screen size

00:27:39 ◼   ► as the original iPhone.

00:27:41 ◼   ► Like that original 3.5 inch design, because we'd be getting close to seven inches.

00:27:46 ◼   ► Can I ask a question?

00:27:47 ◼   ► Is that how it works?

00:27:49 ◼   ► Is it actually two times the size or is there like something weird about math?

00:27:53 ◼   ► Well, because it measures diagonal, I think it's twice the size, twice the area.

00:28:02 ◼   ► Maybe a mathematician can weigh in at Discord and save me, but I think it would be twice

00:28:09 ◼   ► as big.

00:28:10 ◼   ► I can go get an original iPhone if you give me a second and I can just lay it over my

00:28:13 ◼   ► 15 pro max and see.

00:28:15 ◼   ► I don't think it was going to give you what you need, but you can go and you should go

00:28:18 ◼   ► do that because you have the ability to do that.

00:28:20 ◼   ► Like why would you not do that?

00:28:22 ◼   ► You're just sitting on this like treasure trove of stuff.

00:28:25 ◼   ► This thing feels like a toy.

00:28:27 ◼   ► Zach says different aspect ratios measure differently.

00:28:32 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:28:34 ◼   ► I guess that makes sense.

00:28:36 ◼   ► Let's look, this is very scientific.

00:28:38 ◼   ► Yeah, please let me know what you think about.

00:28:40 ◼   ► I mean, it's a lot bigger.

00:28:42 ◼   ► Oh, I have no doubt that it's a lot bigger.

00:28:46 ◼   ► No one was arguing that, that it was going to feel normal in any way.

00:28:50 ◼   ► Let me, uh, let me, I'll just take a picture and have it in the show notes.

00:28:54 ◼   ► Okay.

00:28:55 ◼   ► So then on the fifth, on the 15 pro max, the whole iPhone fits beneath the, the camera

00:29:02 ◼   ► bump.

00:29:04 ◼   ► Wow.

00:29:06 ◼   ► That's small.

00:29:07 ◼   ► Take a picture here.

00:29:08 ◼   ► It's not a great picture.

00:29:09 ◼   ► Cause I'm taking it on an iPad.

00:29:10 ◼   ► What am I not?

00:29:11 ◼   ► I can hang on.

00:29:12 ◼   ► I have an iPhone 12.

00:29:13 ◼   ► Let me do it in that a little bit better.

00:29:17 ◼   ► I wonder with Apple doing this, like, is it just another way to separate the regular line

00:29:26 ◼   ► and the pro line?

00:29:27 ◼   ► Like, like you said, does it give them the opportunity to have, have more features and

00:29:34 ◼   ► more battery life?

00:29:35 ◼   ► Is it just, I just don't, I don't know why they would do it if they don't do it across

00:29:43 ◼   ► the line.

00:29:44 ◼   ► That's the part that's more interesting to me is that it would only be in the pro line.

00:29:47 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:29:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:29:49 ◼   ► This is one of those things where like, this is a piece of information that may or may

00:29:53 ◼   ► not be accurate, but it's like it out of context doesn't make any sense.

00:29:58 ◼   ► Right?

00:29:59 ◼   ► Like it just like, there's no way of us knowing why they would do this.

00:30:03 ◼   ► It may literally just be what you said earlier of like, it makes the lineup look better and

00:30:08 ◼   ► that maybe they think they can get more pro phone sales doing this, or there might be

00:30:12 ◼   ► some technological reason of a thing that they're adding.

00:30:15 ◼   ► And if they make the phone a little bit bigger, it helps.

00:30:18 ◼   ► Like it's just, this is a piece of information that like in a vacuum, we probably can't do

00:30:23 ◼   ► much with right now other than just ponder it.

00:30:26 ◼   ► Mm hmm.

00:30:27 ◼   ► But you're worried about it getting too big?

00:30:32 ◼   ► My worry is that it's going to get too big for no reason.

00:30:37 ◼   ► You know, I like the size of the phone as it is right now.

00:30:42 ◼   ► And I like that they made it lighter.

00:30:44 ◼   ► And if they make it bigger, are we going to start on doing that?

00:30:47 ◼   ► You know?

00:30:48 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:30:49 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:30:50 ◼   ► Yeah, the this article does have weights as well.

00:30:54 ◼   ► And it's about additional, it's about an additional four grams.

00:30:58 ◼   ► So it still wouldn't be where the stainless steel phones were.

00:31:01 ◼   ► But yeah, I do worry about the weight as well.

00:31:05 ◼   ► I don't want it.

00:31:06 ◼   ► I don't want that to change because I love that about this phone so much.

00:31:08 ◼   ► It's like it's easy to forget, because you just live with that every day.

00:31:12 ◼   ► But if, you know, we were getting rid of the old phones and it's like, oh, wow, that's

00:31:17 ◼   ► a huge difference.

00:31:18 ◼   ► Mm hmm.

00:31:19 ◼   ► So it's one of my favorite things about this phone is the weight of it.

00:31:24 ◼   ► It just feels so good to hold.

00:31:25 ◼   ► It's really nice.

00:31:26 ◼   ► I've been using it without a case recently and it's so good.

00:31:29 ◼   ► Like a like a like a like a champ, you know?

00:31:32 ◼   ► Like a gentleman.

00:31:33 ◼   ► It's the best way to live.

00:31:34 ◼   ► Like it is the best way to live.

00:31:35 ◼   ► No case on the iPhone, just as Steve intended.

00:31:38 ◼   ► Wow.

00:31:40 ◼   ► And you don't you don't even have AppleCare.

00:31:41 ◼   ► Who needs it?

00:31:43 ◼   ► They just lie to you and they say that they'll fix your phone, but they won't.

00:31:47 ◼   ► And then they call you a liar and a cheat and a fraud because you have scratches on

00:31:50 ◼   ► your phone and you just want to pay them to replace it, but they won't do it.

00:31:54 ◼   ► Did they say all of those things to you?

00:31:56 ◼   ► Effectively, yes.

00:31:57 ◼   ► Yeah, they did.

00:31:58 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:31:59 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:32:00 ◼   ► That photo is in Discord now.

00:32:02 ◼   ► It took me a while to get it airdropped.

00:32:03 ◼   ► OK.

00:32:04 ◼   ► Do you have a link for me to add to the show notes?

00:32:06 ◼   ► It's already in the show notes, son.

00:32:08 ◼   ► Oh, wow.

00:32:09 ◼   ► Look at you.

00:32:10 ◼   ► I put it on 512pixels.net's web server and then just link to it.

00:32:15 ◼   ► Get the affiliate money in there, you know?

00:32:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:32:19 ◼   ► That's not how that works.

00:32:25 ◼   ► You want to use FastMail?

00:32:26 ◼   ► Here's my affiliate code.

00:32:27 ◼   ► Have you seen have you held or seen an original iPhone recently?

00:32:31 ◼   ► Probably when I came to you.

00:32:33 ◼   ► It's so good.

00:32:34 ◼   ► Like it's thick.

00:32:35 ◼   ► It's a thick boy.

00:32:39 ◼   ► Really side by side 15 Pro Max.

00:32:41 ◼   ► Maybe it's not that thick, but it feels so good in the hand, like the rounded edges and

00:32:45 ◼   ► the aluminum and the plastic, like.

00:32:48 ◼   ► They really.

00:32:49 ◼   ► They nailed it.

00:32:50 ◼   ► That's a bit of an outgo now.

00:32:54 ◼   ► I mean, it's of its time, I guess.

00:32:57 ◼   ► Where did we tier list rank the iPhone?

00:33:02 ◼   ► I mean, it depends on how you're tier listing.

00:33:05 ◼   ► If it's on looks, no, it's not going to be towards the top.

00:33:08 ◼   ► But if it's hand feel or importance, it's it's S tier.

00:33:12 ◼   ► But we did do it.

00:33:14 ◼   ► Did we?

00:33:15 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:16 ◼   ► And we we S tiered it.

00:33:17 ◼   ► We S tiered it.

00:33:19 ◼   ► Good.

00:33:20 ◼   ► That's good.

00:33:21 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:22 ◼   ► Listen to Ryan says, look how small the camera lens was.

00:33:25 ◼   ► That's the first thing I think every time I pick this thing up, it is microscopic compared

00:33:30 ◼   ► to the camera bump on the modern phones.

00:33:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:34 ◼   ► I know that people like they pine for that.

00:33:37 ◼   ► Right.

00:33:38 ◼   ► Like, well, you could just have a bad camera if you like.

00:33:41 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:33:42 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:43 ◼   ► I don't.

00:33:44 ◼   ► There's no way of doing what you want, which is and making the phone good to hold.

00:33:51 ◼   ► Just is what it is.

00:33:52 ◼   ► Is what it is.

00:33:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:54 ◼   ► The first iPhone didn't have video.

00:33:56 ◼   ► OK, now we're just reminiscing about the original iPhone.

00:33:58 ◼   ► We have to move on.

00:33:59 ◼   ► You are.

00:34:00 ◼   ► OK.

00:34:01 ◼   ► I'm ready to go.

00:34:02 ◼   ► My last thing on iPhone size.

00:34:05 ◼   ► Do you think we're ever going to see a small phone again?

00:34:07 ◼   ► No.

00:34:08 ◼   ► It didn't sell right.

00:34:12 ◼   ► Obviously, because they would have kept doing it.

00:34:14 ◼   ► And they're making all the phones bigger.

00:34:17 ◼   ► There's a reason, right?

00:34:18 ◼   ► Like, they just keep making the phones bigger and bigger and bigger because it's clearly

00:34:21 ◼   ► what people buy.

00:34:24 ◼   ► And in the volumes that make sense for Apple, there are other companies that can probably

00:34:29 ◼   ► be very happy with the sales of a small phone.

00:34:32 ◼   ► But clearly Apple isn't or they would have kept making the mini.

00:34:36 ◼   ► And like, I guarantee you the SE gets bigger.

00:34:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:34:41 ◼   ► I think the SE could adopt the mini size, but I think it'll be in between like the mini

00:34:47 ◼   ► and the pro.

00:34:48 ◼   ► I don't think it'll be as small as the mini was.

00:34:50 ◼   ► No, I think the next SE, if they do one, will be bigger than the mini, I think, and will

00:34:56 ◼   ► be bigger than the current SE.

00:34:58 ◼   ► And I do believe it will be good.

00:35:01 ◼   ► They will put Face ID on it.

00:35:03 ◼   ► Like, they're going to go the whole nine yards.

00:35:04 ◼   ► Because I just, I can't imagine they would ship a new product to the home button now.

00:35:09 ◼   ► Oh yeah, for sure.

00:35:11 ◼   ► I think that that phone is a small phone just because of what it's building on.

00:35:16 ◼   ► And like, it will build on top of a new frame.

00:35:19 ◼   ► And I wouldn't be surprised if that frame was the regular iPhone frame, you know?

00:35:23 ◼   ► Could be.

00:35:24 ◼   ► And it just moves on from there or whatever.

00:35:25 ◼   ► I can't, I would be very surprised if they created a whole new form factor for the iPhone

00:35:32 ◼   ► SE.

00:35:33 ◼   ► That wasn't kind of like building on top of something else that they've done.

00:35:39 ◼   ► This tier list is wild.

00:35:41 ◼   ► 6S+ got S tier?

00:35:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:45 ◼   ► How?

00:35:46 ◼   ► Why?

00:35:47 ◼   ► I guess we have to go listen to that episode if we want to know.

00:35:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:35:53 ◼   ► I have no doubt that there was a reason.

00:35:56 ◼   ► Episode 404.

00:35:58 ◼   ► Not found.

00:35:59 ◼   ► Okay.

00:36:00 ◼   ► I have a little, uh, that was a little programming joke for you.

00:36:04 ◼   ► Is that programming?

00:36:06 ◼   ► A little web server joke for you.

00:36:08 ◼   ► Yeah.

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00:38:40 ◼   ► It's incredibly early in the year but we are, I think, fully in Vision Pro season.

00:38:47 ◼   ► I think it's happening.

00:38:50 ◼   ► There's a lot of rumors that are suggesting any day now for either an event or a product

00:39:00 ◼   ► release or something.

00:39:02 ◼   ► We put one in the show notes, it was the most recent.

00:39:05 ◼   ► It was a rumor from a Chinese investor news service that seemed to indicate the end of

00:39:11 ◼   ► January for product release.

00:39:14 ◼   ► But Ming-Chi Kuo has been saying that Apple is basically in full production right now

00:39:19 ◼   ► and is expecting late January, early February, and on sale time due to the way that the supply

00:39:25 ◼   ► chain works.

00:39:26 ◼   ► I feel like everything that we've been told would suggest it was now and I would say everything

00:39:31 ◼   ► that I've heard, you've heard, anybody's heard from any source, sketchy or otherwise, is

00:39:39 ◼   ► suggesting that it's happening.

00:39:43 ◼   ► Now is the time.

00:39:46 ◼   ► And I am mentally preparing myself.

00:39:50 ◼   ► You should be financially preparing yourself.

00:39:52 ◼   ► It's all of these things because there's no world in which this is simple for me specifically.

00:40:00 ◼   ► If I want to get one of these, there is going to need to be a trip to America to buy one.

00:40:09 ◼   ► Big Apple buddy.

00:40:12 ◼   ► I don't think that's going to work though.

00:40:15 ◼   ► This is something I have to go.

00:40:18 ◼   ► It would if you send John your face and then he goes to the Apple store with your face.

00:40:23 ◼   ► It's not out of the question.

00:40:25 ◼   ► Maybe I could make a 3D printed mask and John could take that and wear my face as his face

00:40:32 ◼   ► and go into the Apple store.

00:40:34 ◼   ► He could, you know the trench coat thing, three babies in a trench coat, he could do

00:40:39 ◼   ► one of those.

00:40:40 ◼   ► He could put my head on top of his head so it would be the right size and then put a

00:40:44 ◼   ► trench coat around him and just walk into the store and be like, "Hello there, I've

00:40:48 ◼   ► come from my fitting."

00:40:50 ◼   ► He could do that.

00:40:51 ◼   ► But I don't know if John wants to do that to be honest.

00:40:55 ◼   ► Also I feel like the John experience, that is a Federico reserved thing.

00:41:00 ◼   ► I don't think he's going to do for me what he does for Federico.

00:41:04 ◼   ► And neither would I expect him to really.

00:41:06 ◼   ► But I'm expecting wild things to happen.

00:41:09 ◼   ► I'm also expecting it to happen any day now.

00:41:14 ◼   ► I've had it in my mind this week, kind of like in the evening to be keeping my eye on

00:41:19 ◼   ► Mastodon or if an invite is going out.

00:41:22 ◼   ► I feel like it's, genuinely I feel like next week there could be invites for the week after

00:41:31 ◼   ► for an event.

00:41:32 ◼   ► I know you have another document here, like what do you expect?

00:41:35 ◼   ► I think there would be a full on event.

00:41:38 ◼   ► What do you think?

00:41:40 ◼   ► I do think there will be an event.

00:41:43 ◼   ► At first I was like, "Well what would they do?"

00:41:44 ◼   ► And then I remembered that in March of 2015, the event that our friend Federico went to

00:41:51 ◼   ► where they introduced the one port MacBook, the whole back half of that event was basically

00:41:56 ◼   ► the final announcement of the Apple Watch.

00:41:59 ◼   ► The Apple Watch of course was introduced in September of 2014 with the iPhone 6 and 6

00:42:03 ◼   ► Plus, which they rushed through.

00:42:05 ◼   ► If you go watch that keynote, it's hilarious how fast they get through the iPhone.

00:42:09 ◼   ► But they announced the Apple Watch and then basically nothing.

00:42:13 ◼   ► And that's the period we're in now.

00:42:15 ◼   ► They announced it in June and there's some software stuff happening, but there's no hardware

00:42:19 ◼   ► yet.

00:42:20 ◼   ► So I think there's an opportunity for them to have an event where they go back over the

00:42:25 ◼   ► Vision Pro, but they fill in the blanks.

00:42:28 ◼   ► Things we don't know.

00:42:30 ◼   ► They give us more demos of what software looks like on it.

00:42:35 ◼   ► We get a better picture of what does it look like with the different straps and the light

00:42:43 ◼   ► shields.

00:42:44 ◼   ► What does that process look like?

00:42:45 ◼   ► Giving us more information and of course giving us the price because all we know is it starts

00:42:48 ◼   ► at $34.99.

00:42:50 ◼   ► What does that mean?

00:42:51 ◼   ► How much space does that come with?

00:42:52 ◼   ► Can I get more space for more money?

00:42:55 ◼   ► We don't know.

00:42:56 ◼   ► Can I get, how much is a battery pack?

00:42:57 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:42:58 ◼   ► Right, so genuinely there's things like that we just don't know.

00:43:02 ◼   ► And I 100% think that it is a full on event because it's also just like, you know, as

00:43:06 ◼   ► well as the demos from third parties, which they will inevitably have of apps and games

00:43:11 ◼   ► and all that kind of stuff, right, which is probably one of the reasons they've been holding

00:43:15 ◼   ► so many developer sessions, right?

00:43:16 ◼   ► So they can pick out some cool stuff.

00:43:19 ◼   ► But there's also like, I think a lot of what this device is like to work with has not been

00:43:26 ◼   ► shown yet and I'm expecting should be part of the introduction of it.

00:43:36 ◼   ► That it's not just an entertainment device because that's definitely not what they pitched,

00:43:39 ◼   ► but it is most of what they've shown.

00:43:42 ◼   ► And so I think that there is a bigger story to tell there.

00:43:46 ◼   ► There is more of a justification for why this thing costs three and a half thousand dollars

00:43:50 ◼   ► and why your company should buy it for you.

00:43:53 ◼   ► You know?

00:43:54 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:43:55 ◼   ► Um, I can think that there is still a lot of that story left to tell and I 100% expect

00:44:01 ◼   ► them to do an event, an iPhone like event for it to give it the treatment that they

00:44:07 ◼   ► want to give to it.

00:44:08 ◼   ► Like this is an important product.

00:44:11 ◼   ► Like I genuinely think that this is the biggest, most important product that has launched in

00:44:18 ◼   ► the time that I've been covering Apple.

00:44:21 ◼   ► More than the watch?

00:44:22 ◼   ► Way more than the watch.

00:44:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:44:26 ◼   ► Wow.

00:44:27 ◼   ► Because we always knew the watch was going to be an accessory, right?

00:44:32 ◼   ► Like I don't think realistically we expected that we were going to be living our lives

00:44:40 ◼   ► with just watches.

00:44:42 ◼   ► Right?

00:44:44 ◼   ► There is an expectation that Apple is saying that this is a new way to use a computer,

00:44:52 ◼   ► right?

00:44:53 ◼   ► Like this is a computer, this one.

00:44:56 ◼   ► Like it's the watch we knew was tied to the iPhone.

00:44:59 ◼   ► This thing works on its own.

00:45:02 ◼   ► Like it is a computer and I'm, I find that to be very exciting.

00:45:10 ◼   ► It might not go anywhere, right?

00:45:11 ◼   ► It might be bad.

00:45:12 ◼   ► It might be a disaster.

00:45:16 ◼   ► But that's not what they're saying.

00:45:17 ◼   ► It's not what they're pitching.

00:45:19 ◼   ► And if we're to believe what they're telling us, like this is the future of computing.

00:45:25 ◼   ► I don't know that it's going to be, but it's clearly a, it's a big deal and I'm excited

00:45:32 ◼   ► about that.

00:45:33 ◼   ► And I, I'm in the camp of like, I'm ready to see how this thing is going to change everything.

00:45:39 ◼   ► Like, we'll see what happens.

00:45:40 ◼   ► But like, I, I'm, I definitely think that this is the most important product that has

00:45:46 ◼   ► been introduced in the time that we've been doing this.

00:45:50 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:45:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:52 ◼   ► I think because I struggle with the, Hey, I haven't used it and you have, so your point

00:45:56 ◼   ► of view is different, but I struggle with the, uh, importance level of this product

00:46:04 ◼   ► in people's lives.

00:46:05 ◼   ► We're like, and again, we have 10 years of hindsight with the watch.

00:46:09 ◼   ► So if you want to have the clock to like episode two of the show, maybe we were talking differently

00:46:14 ◼   ► about this, but 10 years in the watch has become very important to people.

00:46:20 ◼   ► And I think that's independent of, is it a computer or not?

00:46:24 ◼   ► Because the watch isn't a computer.

00:46:25 ◼   ► I mean, it is a satellite device, even in cellular mode, it's still basically a satellite

00:46:30 ◼   ► device to your phone.

00:46:33 ◼   ► And they haven't, they've loosened those bonds, but they haven't broken those bonds over time

00:46:37 ◼   ► yet.

00:46:38 ◼   ► So the vision pro is its own computer.

00:46:40 ◼   ► It can do its own setup.

00:46:42 ◼   ► It has its own apps.

00:46:43 ◼   ► It has its own everything, but the watch is something you wear every day.

00:46:47 ◼   ► It makes a meaningful impact in your life, health and fitness wise, communication wise.

00:46:54 ◼   ► And I just am not sold on that being true for the vision pro yet.

00:46:58 ◼   ► Maybe it will be, but I I'm just unwilling to say at this point that it's the most

00:47:02 ◼   ► important thing that we've seen in our time covering them, but we'll see.

00:47:07 ◼   ► We'll find out.

00:47:08 ◼   ► Let me, let me try and pitch you on this a little bit more.

00:47:10 ◼   ► All right.

00:47:11 ◼   ► Sharks.

00:47:12 ◼   ► Let's go.

00:47:13 ◼   ► The scope of what they are introducing is, is as big as anything we've seen, right?

00:47:20 ◼   ► Because the watch, right?

00:47:22 ◼   ► So the watch is very important to people, but like in the same way that AirPods are,

00:47:28 ◼   ► right?

00:47:29 ◼   ► Like you couldn't imagine living your life without it right now.

00:47:32 ◼   ► But if you had to, you could make it work.

00:47:35 ◼   ► Sure.

00:47:36 ◼   ► Right.

00:47:37 ◼   ► You could use something else or whatever, but the vision pro is hardware and it's

00:47:44 ◼   ► the start of a series of hardware that is inherent in the marketing of the product,

00:47:48 ◼   ► right?

00:47:49 ◼   ► That we know it's going to be more than this.

00:47:51 ◼   ► It is a full operating system that they have developed with a new input method, which is

00:47:57 ◼   ► eye tracking and the right, like the whole eye tracking tapping method.

00:48:01 ◼   ► It's akin to mouse clicking.

00:48:04 ◼   ► It is akin to multi-touch.

00:48:07 ◼   ► It is a brand new input method, which will inherently create a new set of applications

00:48:13 ◼   ► that work with that idea in mind where, and people will take to it very quickly and very

00:48:20 ◼   ► easily because it genuinely feels like it's reading your mind.

00:48:23 ◼   ► It's so fluid, right?

00:48:25 ◼   ► Where like you're interacting with what you're looking at is such a natural thing.

00:48:30 ◼   ► Like people are going to be excited about that and it will generate new applications

00:48:35 ◼   ► that we haven't seen before in the same way that the iPhone did in my opinion.

00:48:40 ◼   ► But it also like the Mac in a way, you can make apps for its operating system or you

00:48:48 ◼   ► can use iPad apps on it, right?

00:48:51 ◼   ► So it's like almost like in a way like with catalyst on the Mac.

00:48:56 ◼   ► You can make native applications for this thing or you can use iPad applications on

00:49:01 ◼   ► it.

00:49:02 ◼   ► So it has its own inbuilt set of applications that will be available to it in the store

00:49:07 ◼   ► because they're available on the iPad and the iPhone.

00:49:09 ◼   ► And also you'll be able to make apps for it.

00:49:11 ◼   ► If developers opt into that and we have heard that a lot aren't.

00:49:15 ◼   ► Well I don't know about, we'll see, right?

00:49:17 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:49:18 ◼   ► I don't know how that's going to end up.

00:49:19 ◼   ► I don't think that we can take any reports to that right now as being really anything,

00:49:23 ◼   ► right?

00:49:24 ◼   ► Like that's the thing that we can't make our mind up about how many apps are available

00:49:27 ◼   ► until it ships.

00:49:30 ◼   ► Because like if you're like saying, oh, let's say Slack, right?

00:49:34 ◼   ► Well maybe they want to actually test it on a device before they check the box.

00:49:39 ◼   ► But ultimately like why would they not just check the box?

00:49:42 ◼   ► Like what's it going to hurt?

00:49:44 ◼   ► But I don't know.

00:49:47 ◼   ► But the potential is there, right?

00:49:48 ◼   ► This is what I'm saying.

00:49:49 ◼   ► I'm not saying that any of the things that I'm saying is going to be the way that this

00:49:52 ◼   ► device goes, right?

00:49:54 ◼   ► But the potential is there and it's what Apple is trying to make happen.

00:50:00 ◼   ► And so this is why I'm saying it's like if it doesn't work, that is also huge for us

00:50:07 ◼   ► to talk about.

00:50:08 ◼   ► So like that, that's what I mean, right?

00:50:10 ◼   ► Like I think this is the biggest thing that has happened in our 10 years of doing this

00:50:17 ◼   ► because of the implications.

00:50:20 ◼   ► It's either going to change how we use computers or it's not going to do that.

00:50:25 ◼   ► And either one of those stories is going to be very interesting to follow for the next

00:50:30 ◼   ► 10 years, right?

00:50:32 ◼   ► Like it is a point in history is what we're entering into right now.

00:50:38 ◼   ► And so I'm very excited about it as you can tell probably.

00:50:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:50:42 ◼   ► And I'm not saying you shouldn't be and I'm not saying that I'm not.

00:50:44 ◼   ► In fact, as we get closer to it, I've become more excited about it.

00:50:47 ◼   ► I was pretty cool on it over the fall.

00:50:51 ◼   ► But we're coming at it from a different place, right?

00:50:54 ◼   ► Like you notably have had issues with these kinds of products before, with motion sickness,

00:51:00 ◼   ► right?

00:51:01 ◼   ► So like you're just inherently not going to be excited about it if your nervous that it's

00:51:06 ◼   ► going to make you vomit, right?

00:51:07 ◼   ► So like that is like a very different place to come at than me.

00:51:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:14 ◼   ► You're right though.

00:51:16 ◼   ► Apple is pitching this in a way that we really haven't seen.

00:51:21 ◼   ► They flirted with this before, like in the time when they're talking about the iPad was

00:51:24 ◼   ► the future of personal computing, or your watch is going to replace your phone, like

00:51:29 ◼   ► they have flirted with the ideas before.

00:51:32 ◼   ► But this one does feel different.

00:51:36 ◼   ► And I think part of it is that this is maybe even more than the Apple Watch.

00:51:42 ◼   ► This is like the thing that sets up Tim Cook's legacy outside of the value of the company.

00:51:47 ◼   ► That's the real legacy of Tim Cook is the wealth that he has generated.

00:51:51 ◼   ► But product wise, this is the one right?

00:51:54 ◼   ► The Apple Watch definitely feels like a Johnny Ive, Tim Cook kind of era thing.

00:52:01 ◼   ► But this feels different in a way.

00:52:03 ◼   ► This feels like this is as much as any product has been Tim's, this feels like the one.

00:52:09 ◼   ► And that makes it definitely more interesting from a historic historical perspective, because

00:52:16 ◼   ► if it flops, or it takes 10 years to get good, like Tim Cook doesn't have 10 more years at

00:52:21 ◼   ► the helm.

00:52:22 ◼   ► There's no way.

00:52:23 ◼   ► And so how we judge Tim Cook's time as CEO will be for better or for worse for right

00:52:31 ◼   ► or wrong will be wrapped up in how does the vision pro go?

00:52:36 ◼   ► You know, how does how was the launch? How was the first few years of this?

00:52:40 ◼   ► And I don't know if that was that's something that Tim Cook, how he feels about that, but

00:52:48 ◼   ► he stuck with it for better for worse.

00:52:50 ◼   ► I think the rhetoric of the company so far, and I believe what we will continue to see

00:52:55 ◼   ► later on this month, next month or whatever, they are treating it like this is the biggest

00:53:02 ◼   ► deal.

00:53:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:04 ◼   ► So they either believe it or doing a good job of selling it.

00:53:09 ◼   ► And so I feel like everybody there must understand what they're setting up.

00:53:16 ◼   ► Like this is the contribution to society.

00:53:23 ◼   ► This is the thing.

00:53:24 ◼   ► It's like, oh, there was the Mac and there was the iPhone.

00:53:27 ◼   ► And now there's this.

00:53:28 ◼   ► Because like, let's be real, right?

00:53:30 ◼   ► The iPad and the Apple Watch, they are not that.

00:53:33 ◼   ► Right?

00:53:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:53:35 ◼   ► Like, they are a big deal.

00:53:37 ◼   ► They are huge.

00:53:38 ◼   ► They are bigger than anyone ever could have assumed either would be.

00:53:41 ◼   ► But like, they are both building on the iPhone.

00:53:44 ◼   ► The iPhone was not building on the Mac.

00:53:46 ◼   ► It was its own thing.

00:53:47 ◼   ► And like, Vision Pro is has the potential to be its own thing just because of the way

00:53:52 ◼   ► they are architecting it.

00:53:53 ◼   ► Right.

00:53:54 ◼   ► And I think they want to pitch it that way.

00:53:57 ◼   ► Because what else is there?

00:54:00 ◼   ► And so like, this is the thing.

00:54:02 ◼   ► And so we'll see.

00:54:03 ◼   ► But that's why I think it's a big deal.

00:54:04 ◼   ► Because of all of these reasons, like all these things that they're doing to set it

00:54:09 ◼   ► up, all the ways that they're talking about it, and the potential of it.

00:54:14 ◼   ► Like, this could mean we've already seen it with with meta, right?

00:54:18 ◼   ► Like if Apple's working on large language model stuff, that actually ties really well

00:54:24 ◼   ► with a device like this, like with these kinds of devices, like they did those Ray-Ban glasses,

00:54:29 ◼   ► right?

00:54:30 ◼   ► And people thought they were okay.

00:54:33 ◼   ► And then they were like, oh, yeah, but and even Zuckerberg was like, when they were introduced

00:54:37 ◼   ► in a new one, he's like, we work on this thing.

00:54:39 ◼   ► And we were trying to do stuff with it.

00:54:41 ◼   ► And we thought it would take a few years, but then we tied our LLM to it.

00:54:44 ◼   ► And now it's like a whole different thing that we didn't even expect, like, because

00:54:48 ◼   ► these things can see what you're seeing.

00:54:51 ◼   ► And so this could end up being like that weird backdoor into finding some way of making a

00:54:57 ◼   ► large language model make sense for them.

00:54:59 ◼   ► It's like they've also got this device that sits on your face, and you can just talk to

00:55:02 ◼   ► it.

00:55:03 ◼   ► And it just does whatever you want.

00:55:04 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:55:06 ◼   ► This is what it is, though.

00:55:07 ◼   ► I'm excited about it.

00:55:09 ◼   ► And I think this year is going to be really interesting because of it.

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00:56:57 ◼   ► But that's not all.

00:57:01 ◼   ► There is obviously going to be other things this year.

00:57:03 ◼   ► It's probably going to be a pretty big year across the board.

00:57:08 ◼   ► MacRumors posted their "What to expect in 2024" guide, and I've kind of gone through

00:57:12 ◼   ► that and picked out a few things that maybe we could touch on.

00:57:15 ◼   ► Obviously, predictions the next week, but maybe this is like setting the table for that.

00:57:19 ◼   ► Spoke about bigger screens on the iPhone.

00:57:23 ◼   ► But there is also an expectation for all iPhones to be able to capture spatial video, obviously.

00:57:30 ◼   ► Along with capturing video, there's also apparently on the Pro phone is going to be a capture

00:57:35 ◼   ► button.

00:57:36 ◼   ► So a new capacitive button for taking photos and videos, which would be where the current

00:57:41 ◼   ► millimeter wave antenna is if you have a millimeter wave iPhone.

00:57:45 ◼   ► I'm going to look at my phone.

00:57:46 ◼   ► It's going to be around that area.

00:57:47 ◼   ► So it's below the sleep wake button on the right side.

00:57:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:57:52 ◼   ► And so it will be like on that right side, there'll be another like probably a little

00:57:56 ◼   ► lower down on the phone.

00:57:57 ◼   ► So it's easier to hit.

00:57:58 ◼   ► But yeah, like a like a button that you were just pressing hold to take photos with.

00:58:02 ◼   ► Which is weird to me.

00:58:04 ◼   ► I don't know why now.

00:58:05 ◼   ► Like, I really don't know why now.

00:58:07 ◼   ► Like why are you adding this to the iPhone?

00:58:10 ◼   ► It's weird because it's four seconds after the action button showed up.

00:58:14 ◼   ► But if it's tied to photo video, maybe they want this to be more in line with the vision

00:58:20 ◼   ► pro hardware because the vision pro does have a button to capture spatial video.

00:58:25 ◼   ► And maybe they want those things to be close more closely aligned.

00:58:31 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:58:32 ◼   ► It's for me the way that I hold my phone at least in my right hand.

00:58:35 ◼   ► Seems like a weird place for a button that far down.

00:58:38 ◼   ► But I guess I guess we'll see.

00:58:41 ◼   ► I wonder how much of a button it's going to be, right?

00:58:44 ◼   ► As opposed to just like a flat area.

00:58:47 ◼   ► Yeah, maybe.

00:58:48 ◼   ► You know, there was that rumor that they were going to move to solid state buttons instead

00:58:55 ◼   ► of physical buttons.

00:58:56 ◼   ► And maybe maybe that's this.

00:58:58 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:58:59 ◼   ► I think I've seen reference to that, that it would be like a like a capacitive haptic

00:59:06 ◼   ► feedback button.

00:59:09 ◼   ► So yeah, so like not an actual button that stands out maybe, but an area.

00:59:15 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:59:16 ◼   ► I really don't know like what why now.

00:59:18 ◼   ► I really don't know like why are we doing this now?

00:59:22 ◼   ► Like I guess we'll see.

00:59:25 ◼   ► But other than that, the iPhone will probably be pretty much what we expect.

00:59:29 ◼   ► Are you recording spatial video?

00:59:31 ◼   ► I did on vacation.

00:59:32 ◼   ► Did you get some of the lamb?

00:59:34 ◼   ► I had some stuff.

00:59:35 ◼   ► Did the lamb get spatial video?

00:59:36 ◼   ► No, when we went on our big vacation.

00:59:38 ◼   ► So when we went to America in November, I took a bunch then.

00:59:42 ◼   ► Just so I would have some stuff to look at.

00:59:46 ◼   ► But I haven't had like I want if I'm going to do it, I want to try and create videos

00:59:51 ◼   ► that will evoke a memory rather than just like a random thing.

00:59:54 ◼   ► Because that seems to be from all the reporting, like what really is quite effective.

01:00:00 ◼   ► And so that's that's kind of what I've been doing.

01:00:02 ◼   ► And I will take more when the time like calls itself, you know.

01:00:08 ◼   ► Yeah, I have taken two spatial videos so far.

01:00:12 ◼   ► So it doesn't show up as a media type in the Mac app for photos, but you can make a smart

01:00:16 ◼   ► album for spatial video.

01:00:19 ◼   ► I have two one just like I sat on my bed and it's like, panned around my bedroom.

01:00:25 ◼   ► But the other one was during the recent bowl game of the University of Memphis football

01:00:30 ◼   ► team played in and it's from my standing where I where my seat was and it's of the team being

01:00:37 ◼   ► awarded the trophy at the end.

01:00:41 ◼   ► And that one I think could be really interesting.

01:00:44 ◼   ► Like I did that one purposefully.

01:00:45 ◼   ► I thought before we before we went to the game was like, this will be a good opportunity

01:00:50 ◼   ► for spatial video.

01:00:51 ◼   ► There's a lot of depth here, right?

01:00:52 ◼   ► I'm in the stands, the football fields way down there.

01:00:55 ◼   ► And having means a lot to you emotionally, a lot to me emotionally.

01:00:59 ◼   ► It was also like 28 degrees outside.

01:01:02 ◼   ► Like I see my phone freezes when I take it out of my pocket.

01:01:05 ◼   ► But so I haven't taken I've only taken the two, but I am very curious to see how that

01:01:11 ◼   ► goes over time.

01:01:12 ◼   ► Yeah, I took like 20.

01:01:14 ◼   ► Like I was just like making a point of it.

01:01:18 ◼   ► And yeah, but like they're all of a certain thing.

01:01:20 ◼   ► So I want to try and get more.

01:01:22 ◼   ► The thing was I now forget to take them like it was on my mind to do it on the trip specifically

01:01:28 ◼   ► because one of those reports that just come out again, I think about like people going

01:01:32 ◼   ► to see them in New York.

01:01:33 ◼   ► And I was like, I'm going to do it on this trip.

01:01:37 ◼   ► So when I can look at them, I will have some stuff to look at.

01:01:41 ◼   ► But now I'd forgotten about it until you just asked me.

01:01:45 ◼   ► So yeah, because like, I do take the majority of video in portrait mode.

01:01:51 ◼   ► Like I just just how I take video most of the time.

01:01:56 ◼   ► It's also how I look at video though, right, which is why I do it.

01:02:00 ◼   ► Man, I'm flipping that baby into landscape.

01:02:02 ◼   ► Yeah, well, that's because you're a dad.

01:02:04 ◼   ► Like when I'm looking at videos, I'm looking at them in portrait on my iPhone.

01:02:08 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:02:09 ◼   ► So like, to me, video is mostly portrait now.

01:02:12 ◼   ► Unless there's like a specific reason to make it landscape, which is rare, I think for me.

01:02:18 ◼   ► So I need to be more mindful of doing it.

01:02:24 ◼   ► For the Mac, couple of things I pointed out, maybe you have something more exciting.

01:02:29 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:02:30 ◼   ► M3 Studio, probably?

01:02:33 ◼   ► I feel like the whole M3 changeover will happen this year.

01:02:38 ◼   ► I think we'll see it across the line.

01:02:40 ◼   ► Oh, because it will be what Macbook Air?

01:02:43 ◼   ► The Airs, the Mac Mini, and Mac Studio and Mac Pro.

01:02:48 ◼   ► Who cares about Mac Pro?

01:02:50 ◼   ► No one does.

01:02:52 ◼   ► I still hope they do some sort of like beyond the Ultra for the Mac Pro.

01:02:56 ◼   ► But yeah, I expect that the M2 will be swept away, you know, maybe a WWDC or even before.

01:03:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:03 ◼   ► In fact, in fact, to go to go back a section, they're going to do an event for the Vision

01:03:11 ◼   ► Pro and they do want to pair it with something else like they did in 2015.

01:03:16 ◼   ► M3 Macs, new iPads early in the year.

01:03:20 ◼   ► There could be something there.

01:03:21 ◼   ► Yeah, I wonder.

01:03:22 ◼   ► All right, so let's just real quick run through that and I'll come back to that.

01:03:25 ◼   ► So I hope there'll be a new display, but I don't know, but I still want one.

01:03:29 ◼   ► Like I want Studio Display Pro.

01:03:31 ◼   ► Like I want a studio display that can do ProMotion.

01:03:33 ◼   ► Yeah, it'd be sweet.

01:03:36 ◼   ► And then with the iPads, we're looking at, as we mentioned before, OLED iPad Pro, M3

01:03:41 ◼   ► powered, maybe MagSafe, some new accessories, and obviously a higher price.

01:03:45 ◼   ► And there's also a revamp of the rest of the line expected with a new edition of a larger

01:03:50 ◼   ► iPad Air.

01:03:51 ◼   ► So that's kind of like, let's look at that Mac and iPad.

01:03:55 ◼   ► My gut would say that that's just going to be its own thing.

01:03:59 ◼   ► Maybe in March or something.

01:04:01 ◼   ► Because I don't know if that is that already.

01:04:04 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:05 ◼   ► I mean, January feels early.

01:04:06 ◼   ► Yeah, it feels very early.

01:04:10 ◼   ► So and also like, I feel like they could probably just do enough with the Vision Pro on its

01:04:15 ◼   ► own.

01:04:17 ◼   ► I think so too.

01:04:18 ◼   ► Maybe.

01:04:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:20 ◼   ► I'm not sure how that works but I'm not sure what this is.

01:04:24 ◼   ► Or what this does is like divide, divide, divide, divide.

01:04:28 ◼   ► And a lot of these living things that we're talking about,

01:04:32 ◼   ► that the people don't understand,

01:04:33 ◼   ► I think the people that we're talking about,

01:04:36 ◼   ► are people who are not aware that they can't even post it,

01:04:38 ◼   ► not even when they aren't even seeing it.

01:04:41 ◼   ► So I think most of the people who are not familiar with that,

01:04:44 ◼   ► are people who are not quite aware of that,

01:04:47 ◼   ► that are afraid that they can't even post it.

01:04:49 ◼   ► They have to be ready to go the week after.

01:04:51 ◼   ► So, we'll see.

01:04:55 ◼   ► So iPad, not an iPad year in 2023.

01:05:01 ◼   ► They could do a bunch of stuff, move to OLED on the Pros,

01:05:06 ◼   ► maybe the M3, maybe MagSafe, new accessories.

01:05:11 ◼   ► So let's start with the iPad Pro.

01:05:14 ◼   ► What are you thinking there?

01:05:17 ◼   ► - Well, I mean, it looks expensive and exciting.

01:05:21 ◼   ► Maybe, I mean, it looks expensive and it looks interesting.

01:05:25 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:05:26 ◼   ► - I don't know, like the software's just not there,

01:05:31 ◼   ► it just isn't there.

01:05:33 ◼   ► And like, this, well I'm sure it'll be really nice

01:05:36 ◼   ► for everybody that uses an iPad Pro and wants a new one,

01:05:39 ◼   ► but like, making a more expensive iPad Pro,

01:05:44 ◼   ► like I'm just not really sure where we're going, you know?

01:05:48 ◼   ► I'm just not sure that that's what the lineup truly needs,

01:05:52 ◼   ► is a higher price on the iPad Pro.

01:05:54 ◼   ► Like, I really don't know.

01:05:56 ◼   ► Where like, I feel like a bigger iPad Air

01:05:58 ◼   ► has made me more intriguing for a lot of people.

01:06:00 ◼   ► Like, I feel like an OLED iPad Pro

01:06:03 ◼   ► could be very tempting to me,

01:06:05 ◼   ► like if anything's gonna tempt me away,

01:06:07 ◼   ► like just a really nice screen on an iPad

01:06:09 ◼   ► would maybe do that, even though I love my mini.

01:06:12 ◼   ► But an OLED screen is a very exciting prospect,

01:06:16 ◼   ► but that's me as a weird nerd.

01:06:21 ◼   ► But like, I'm just, I'm unconvinced about this.

01:06:25 ◼   ► And because I'm just not really sure what the story is,

01:06:29 ◼   ► then just like, ah, it's like faster, why?

01:06:34 ◼   ► And it's now got an OLED screen.

01:06:36 ◼   ► It's like, that's nice, but like, what for?

01:06:40 ◼   ► I don't know, I don't know.

01:06:42 ◼   ► I feel like I'm being maybe unnecessarily harsh here,

01:06:44 ◼   ► but like, I'm just, I feel like it's just getting harder

01:06:47 ◼   ► and harder to tell the story of the iPad now.

01:06:50 ◼   ► Like, I'm just not sure what's going on.

01:06:53 ◼   ► - I feel like that's not a new question though.

01:06:57 ◼   ► Like, I just listening to you talk, I was like,

01:06:59 ◼   ► yeah, but I kind of felt that way

01:07:01 ◼   ► about the iPad Pro the last several years.

01:07:04 ◼   ► - And that's kind of my point, right?

01:07:05 ◼   ► Like, that I feel like it's become harder and harder

01:07:08 ◼   ► to tell the story in the form that it's currently in.

01:07:11 ◼   ► So if you're gonna tell me that story

01:07:13 ◼   ► and then tell me it costs more,

01:07:16 ◼   ► that's where I'm starting to be like, I don't know guys,

01:07:18 ◼   ► like, what are we doing here?

01:07:20 ◼   ► Oh, the screen's better.

01:07:23 ◼   ► Oh yeah, like the last time?

01:07:24 ◼   ► Yeah, but better than that.

01:07:25 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

01:07:26 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:07:27 ◼   ► - Oh, it's more powerful now.

01:07:29 ◼   ► What, like the last time?

01:07:30 ◼   ► Yeah, but more than that.

01:07:31 ◼   ► It's like, oh, we have a new keyboard.

01:07:33 ◼   ► Like the last one?

01:07:33 ◼   ► Yeah, but this one's more expensive and cooler.

01:07:36 ◼   ► All right.

01:07:36 ◼   ► And the price of all of it's more.

01:07:38 ◼   ► Like, I feel like that that is becoming

01:07:42 ◼   ► a very complicated story.

01:07:44 ◼   ► Yeah, I think it is.

01:07:45 ◼   ► When there isn't like the,

01:07:46 ◼   ► oh, and we also did this with iPad OS.

01:07:49 ◼   ► And like, now it's like,

01:07:52 ◼   ► we're giving you all the potential that you've wished for.

01:07:56 ◼   ► I don't know, man.

01:07:57 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:07:58 ◼   ► But like, I'm like, oh, like an OLED screen

01:08:01 ◼   ► might be nice for me for watching my YouTube videos on.

01:08:04 ◼   ► And I'm just not sure that that really is like

01:08:07 ◼   ► doing the best for the product.

01:08:11 ◼   ► - Do, yeah.

01:08:14 ◼   ► All I really want out of the iPad this year

01:08:17 ◼   ► is like for it to make sense.

01:08:19 ◼   ► And I just don't know if we're gonna get that.

01:08:21 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't think so.

01:08:22 ◼   ► - It may actually get worse.

01:08:23 ◼   ► - I feel like it could make,

01:08:24 ◼   ► well, it's gonna get worse,

01:08:25 ◼   ► but it could be like,

01:08:26 ◼   ► there's an interesting story

01:08:27 ◼   ► and like there'll be two iPad Airs, right?

01:08:30 ◼   ► Like that's like interesting,

01:08:32 ◼   ► but it is only gonna make it more confusing, probably.

01:08:36 ◼   ► I don't know.

01:08:38 ◼   ► Or like, it might be that thing that we spoke over before.

01:08:40 ◼   ► Like maybe they do what we want

01:08:41 ◼   ► and it's like, oh, it looks like the Mac now.

01:08:44 ◼   ► Like it's like the laptops.

01:08:46 ◼   ► Two Airs, two Pros.

01:08:48 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:08:49 ◼   ► Apple Watch, you know,

01:08:51 ◼   ► this is the year of the Apple Watch 10, assumedly.

01:08:55 ◼   ► And Apple normally uses that opportunity

01:08:58 ◼   ► to do something exciting.

01:09:00 ◼   ► They did it, of course, with the iPhone 10.

01:09:02 ◼   ► They did it with the iPad 10th generation.

01:09:04 ◼   ► It moved away from the home button

01:09:06 ◼   ► and lightning to the new design.

01:09:10 ◼   ► With this is the rumor that comes back every few years

01:09:13 ◼   ► that they would break compatibility

01:09:15 ◼   ► with existing watch bands.

01:09:17 ◼   ► I feel like if you're gonna do it,

01:09:20 ◼   ► you've gotta do it when there's a redesign.

01:09:23 ◼   ► Like if you did it on the Series 8 or something,

01:09:25 ◼   ► it's like, well, this thing looks just like the old thing.

01:09:27 ◼   ► Why did you do this to me?

01:09:28 ◼   ► But if they're gonna revamp it

01:09:30 ◼   ► and they have something that's actually better,

01:09:32 ◼   ► the boys on ATP talked about this recently.

01:09:34 ◼   ► The band system now, the attachment,

01:09:37 ◼   ► to me, it seems like it works pretty well.

01:09:38 ◼   ► I'm sure it could be improved in terms of bulkiness

01:09:41 ◼   ► and how much space it takes inside the watch case.

01:09:44 ◼   ► But this, you know, people were mad about

01:09:48 ◼   ► 30-pin to lightning, seems like lightning to USB-C

01:09:52 ◼   ► is less of a big deal.

01:09:53 ◼   ► But if you break Apple Watch band compatibility,

01:09:56 ◼   ► I think people are gonna be mad.

01:09:57 ◼   ► 'Cause I think people, even though they're-

01:09:59 ◼   ► Oh, gonna lose it.

01:10:00 ◼   ► Even though an individual band may not be that expensive

01:10:04 ◼   ► unless you buy the Apple Watch Ultra ones,

01:10:07 ◼   ► people have the bands they like

01:10:08 ◼   ► and they move them between watches.

01:10:10 ◼   ► And I think if Apple does this,

01:10:14 ◼   ► it's gonna be, it could be a dustup for sure.

01:10:17 ◼   ► It has to be a bloodbath is what it's gonna be.

01:10:19 ◼   ► Like, it will happen.

01:10:21 ◼   ► I don't know if it's this time,

01:10:22 ◼   ► but like, it's going to happen at some point.

01:10:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:10:27 ◼   ► 'Cause I think that the Apple Watch bands

01:10:28 ◼   ► take up too much space in the case, right?

01:10:30 ◼   ► Like in the physical space.

01:10:32 ◼   ► It's quite a big chunk

01:10:34 ◼   ► that they have to take out of the thing.

01:10:37 ◼   ► And this is the rumor that like, you know,

01:10:40 ◼   ► this, whatever this X watch is,

01:10:42 ◼   ► that has been rumored before, is these things.

01:10:45 ◼   ► Like it's a new design.

01:10:46 ◼   ► And what is seems to be unknown

01:10:48 ◼   ► is if that is actually this year or not.

01:10:51 ◼   ► And there is a possibility that weirdly,

01:10:54 ◼   ► this might be next year's watch.

01:10:55 ◼   ► Like, it seems like no one's completely sure,

01:10:57 ◼   ► which I don't know.

01:10:58 ◼   ► If they do a new design,

01:11:02 ◼   ► like I kind of expect that they will change the band system.

01:11:05 ◼   ► I'm not keen on it,

01:11:07 ◼   ► especially because the rumors are a magnetic band system,

01:11:10 ◼   ► which seems like an easy way to lose a watch.

01:11:15 ◼   ► I got them pretty well with the magnetic band,

01:11:23 ◼   ► but that's like five magnets holding it together.

01:11:26 ◼   ► It's about one magnet point, right?

01:11:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:29 ◼   ► And so, I don't know.

01:11:31 ◼   ► I genuinely don't know.

01:11:32 ◼   ► But with this watch this year,

01:11:35 ◼   ► we could be looking at potentially blood pressure monitoring

01:11:38 ◼   ► and sleep apnea detection.

01:11:40 ◼   ► There is still the rumor out there of glucose,

01:11:43 ◼   ► but that's not gonna be this time, I don't think.

01:11:45 ◼   ► There's no rumors pointing at it being now,

01:11:47 ◼   ► but that is still on the way.

01:11:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:11:50 ◼   ► Maybe they'll rework the blood oxygen thing.

01:11:52 ◼   ► So it's, they're not in legal battle.

01:11:57 ◼   ► - The follow up to that is they went to an appeals court

01:11:59 ◼   ► and got it overturned for the time being.

01:12:01 ◼   ► That is the follow up to the,

01:12:03 ◼   ► what is the name of the company?

01:12:06 ◼   ► - I always want to say Mimosa, but that's not right.

01:12:09 ◼   ► - Mime stream.

01:12:10 ◼   ► Massimo, thank you for the Mimosa thing.

01:12:14 ◼   ► Massimo, it came to me.

01:12:16 ◼   ► Yeah, so they got an appeal.

01:12:19 ◼   ► But that, I don't know how long it was gonna last.

01:12:22 ◼   ► There is a time to it, but I don't remember what it was.

01:12:24 ◼   ► That's Apple Watch.

01:12:28 ◼   ► And then very quickly, just to run this out,

01:12:30 ◼   ► the home stuff, I'm still hoping for a home pod

01:12:32 ◼   ► with a screen, but there's no rumors of this.

01:12:33 ◼   ► I also still want new AirPods Max.

01:12:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, for real.

01:12:38 ◼   ► I mean, it's been 83 years, you know?

01:12:42 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:12:43 ◼   ► And I feel like with OSs,

01:12:45 ◼   ► there's gonna be AI machine learning,

01:12:48 ◼   ► is gonna play a big part just 'cause if it doesn't,

01:12:51 ◼   ► what they're doing over there.

01:12:52 ◼   ► And regulation, like sideloading, RCS,

01:12:54 ◼   ► like this kind of stuff is gonna be popping up a lot.

01:12:57 ◼   ► I just saw that Japan is starting to work on legislation

01:13:01 ◼   ► like the EU is about sideloading.

01:13:03 ◼   ► So like, it's just gonna keep hitting from all sides.

01:13:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, Apple's gonna spend a lot of time in court

01:13:09 ◼   ► and in front of legislative bodies

01:13:11 ◼   ► in the next year or two or five.

01:13:13 ◼   ► And I think it'll be something we all have to contend with.

01:13:16 ◼   ► Well, I think that does it for this week.

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