00:00:00 ◼ ► I'm glad hand is perfect doesn't even take premium fuel yes it was about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/0">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► bring the iPhones into the crescent moon problem and the various experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/10">TS</a>]
00:00:14 ◼ ► people had and what the Apple Jesus asked them to do their phone and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/14">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► happened to the phone when it was taken into the back room and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/18">TS</a>]
00:00:21 ◼ ► stuff like that so one theme was some people are super angry that we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/21">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► know the stuff I hear you talk about genius stuff that you don't know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/27">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► it like yeah we we don't know and then people you know plenty of people tell us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/32">TS</a>]
00:00:36 ◼ ► like without that kind of the show works like we've had wonder what does happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/36">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► in the back room and then a bunch of algae is anonymous the email us back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/39">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► those one team and by the way I can relate to that like when you when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/44">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► hear people talking about stuff on the podcast and you know the answer but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/47">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► one on the show knows the answer you know because you're an apple juice and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/52">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► former Apple Genius and you have to be able to get this wonderful like we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/55">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► of us offered at various ideas of what it could be a whatever so I can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/59">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► frustrating that's also part of the fun of getting the second team that I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► emerged from the very large volume of feedback we got from Apple Genius is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/68">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► accessible geniuses are people who are Apple Genius adjacent like a caged about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/71">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► what they're you know jobs are known to be anonymous for the most part was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/77">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► things are actually slightly different from Apple Store Doublestar regard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/82">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► know email from geniuses in different countries in different states in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/87">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► United States and they all describe what their store does and there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/91">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► commonality like we'll get to that we get the answers there is an answer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/96">TS</a>]
00:01:38 ◼ ► all of our questions last time but some stories we like our store tends to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/98">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► except there occasionally we do that our star always does this and doesn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/103">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► subtle differences in policy that I assume there are like may be at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/106">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► the store manager or just kind of like what they tend to do other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/111">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► delving into details of how the geniuses are rated by their managers based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/115">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► certain metrics that have to do with how they choose to discretionary things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/121">TS</a>]
00:02:04 ◼ ► anyway I was surprised at the variety and how much things can vary from store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/124">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► to store and these are not things that the people writing in presented as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/128">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► things that might vary the only way we discovered that they've areas by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/132">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► sheer volume of feedback and you know like these five people said they always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► do this and these four people so they always do something slightly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/138">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► and all those people are not presenting as a thing that they think berries I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/141">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► think like Apple stores do this but they actually do very surprising about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/144">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► kind of matches up with you know the experience even just you two had in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/149">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► terms of every night at the end of the day in the stores gonna close maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/153">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► they'll give me a replacement phone instead of trying to repair or just have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/157">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► me come out the next day or you know or if you you know if you have a high with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/160">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► nine or be done at the machine can replace his alleged that like lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/164">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► we're not really interesting images and variations find it interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/171">TS</a>]
00:02:56 ◼ ► there is apparently so much discretion from one side or the other but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/176">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► common stuff is what we're doing and try to get to the feedback so you can try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/180">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► summarizing the answers to all of our questions you might let me take a stab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/184">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► at this very quickly so the general theme seems to be that the reason that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/188">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► genius we'll ask you to turn off Find My iPhone there's a couple of reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/193">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► actual number one it's to prove that that is your regular phone and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/196">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► haven't stolen the phone and you know claimed that something is broken or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/201">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► perhaps something is broken and you're trying to get a perfectly functional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/206">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► phone out of the deal so the most obvious answer was we want you to prove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/210">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► that it's indeed yours subsequent to that if they comes that they need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/215">TS</a>]
00:03:39 ◼ ► replace the phone according to the geniuses if i understood him correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/219">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► the activation lock is tied in some way shape or form to Find My iPhone and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► if they screw something up or something is just fundamentally broken and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/231">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► need to give you a new phone they're going to want to recycle or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/236">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► remanufactured the word I heard use the lottery manufacture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/240">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► the the phone that you've just given up and they can't do that unless my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/244">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► is off because they have no back door to this I think that that summer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/249">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► most common reason we are inside it was provided ship for a reason because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/254">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► apparently people bring in stolen phones in going through this whole thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/258">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► intentionally breaking part of like opening it up and and disconnecting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► home button and bringing in single the home button doesn't work like with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/264">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► stolen phones is apparently very common thing so that is the the primary reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/267">TS</a>]
00:04:33 ◼ ► is you're proving you're on the phone and then the other reasons I'm still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/273">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► little bit fuzzy on but we got a lot of what you summarizes the common answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/275">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► think right so that's the fun my from portion now the passcode was interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/279">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► I didn't realize the the the order of operations that happens once my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/286">TS</a>]
00:04:52 ◼ ► disappeared to get crescent moon unlocked repaired so apparently what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/292">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► happens is they go to the back room and they use this little thing that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/297">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► suction cups on it to heal apart the phone once they removed the couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/304">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► screws that are on the bottom of it then they replace the screen with the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/308">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► is the touch I D sensor and a bunch of other things I don't remember the list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/313">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► off the top of my head but the key is then they put it into this big black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/316">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► calibration machine and they are not allowed or told anyway not to give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/320">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► your phone back unless you pass calibration and apparently the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/325">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► pass calibration is among other things they put in app on your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/329">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► temporarily that interacts with calibration machine in order to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/332">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► calibrate the screen and make sure the screen is working now this is important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/336">TS</a>]
00:05:39 ◼ ► because they can't put this app on your phone or do any of those other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/339">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► without you having either given them your passcode or just taken off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/342">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► passcode so they run this thing through they run your phone service coverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/346">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► machine just make sure everything's functional and if it passes calibration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/350">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► you get your phone back that has a new screen you touch idea etcetera if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/353">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► doesn't pass calibration then they'll just hand you a new phone and say be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/356">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► one person said that we also provide customers to decline giving us the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/361">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► go with the expectation that will perform this functionality check with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/366">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► some of the geniuses who said they said that they contrasted the machine more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/370">TS</a>]
00:06:14 ◼ ► functionality with the people I would trust the machine like to especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/374">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► first screen calibration type stuff on that is not clear to me whether that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► work with the passcode to offer not I think there's any way you would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► that we've been on this now but there are subtle differences between all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/385">TS</a>]
00:06:29 ◼ ► feedback that we got and you can tell the subtle differences are significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/389">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► differences in phrasing or whatever but bottom line and the passcode is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/392">TS</a>]
00:06:38 ◼ ► want to make sure that if they change something that phone that all the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/398">TS</a>]
00:06:42 ◼ ► that supposed to work still works and the other than just wanted to clarify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/402">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► little bit is when I said an appt with the calibration machine I mean I may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/405">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► have the details little wrong about that I think we've heard talk of a custom ROM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/409">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► firmware we've heard talks a talk from the feedback that it was a nap the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/414">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► just being that something happens on your phone that interacts with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/419">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► machine in order to make sure everything works right there anything else on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/422">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► repair things I don't have anything else I feel like all we've done is initiated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/427">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► another torrent of geniuses which is fine but this one we can say right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/432">TS</a>]
00:07:17 ◼ ► we're not going to talk about this anymore so please you don't have to even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/437">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► email us about it we're done with this topic please for the love of God well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/440">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► mean I don't think there's anything more productive to get out of it because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/443">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► wandered like why they why they want you to have my phone that I think we got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/446">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► solid answer and that you know it to prove you own it and then the passcode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/449">TS</a>]
00:07:34 ◼ ► stuff and the other things and when you get a new phone and when you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/454">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► replacement although the stuff I've got another meeting to understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/457">TS</a>]
00:07:42 ◼ ► I don't think we implied it was anything sinister going i think im just wondering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/462">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► and I don't think there's anything sinister going on so I think we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/465">TS</a>]
00:07:49 ◼ ► satisfied that front Marco still wants the ability to you know there is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/469">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► person said they had basically the ability to test everything without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/474">TS</a>]
00:07:57 ◼ ► anyone like you or your thing with basket but anyway that's a clarification [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/477">TS</a>]
00:08:05 ◼ ► that I think I probably won't be able to help you I totally withdraw my argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/485">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► just because i dont wanna get an email about it I'm so done with this topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/490">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► just one just wanted to say thank you to the geniuses did write it as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/493">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► we're joking I I for one and I think I speak for at least John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/498">TS</a>]
00:08:24 ◼ ► appreciated hearing all of this and i knows a lot of you and I'm not trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/504">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► be funny I know a lot of you probably felt like that was a risky thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► write into it to us and share any sort of information so I speak for all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/512">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► even those who are those of us who are grumbling in saying thank you for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► you've already written but I agree I think we've got the just now so thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/521">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► alright mocha what would you like to talk about anything else so quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/526">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► very fast for this is how you to follow guys very fast follow-up last episode we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/531">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► talked about the lifeboat mode in the 60 S III said that it was most likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/537">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► dumping the entire sensor at 12 megapixels in a very fast bursts make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/542">TS</a>]
00:09:07 ◼ ► those videos you can see in John Gruber's review you should read it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/547">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► the resolution is substantially lower than that is not dumping at 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/552">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► megapixels for the video it's basically taking a lower resolution video at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/555">TS</a>]
00:09:19 ◼ ► 1440 buy something and it's it's one of those things like it looks fine on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/559">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► phone I wouldn't even say it looks good on the phone looks fine the phone on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/564">TS</a>]
00:09:28 ◼ ► more inspections and that any larger viewing or any clothes you and it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/568">TS</a>]
00:09:34 ◼ ► not look very good but it looks good enough on the phone doesn't look good it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/574">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► is very weird creature i I think it's cool I think it's it's an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/579">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► idea but the quality is is you know not amazing and you know it's it's not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/584">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► to be for preserving things in in high-def it's gonna be for like a haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/592">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► funny look at this moment surrounding surrounding kind of things if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/597">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► to actually have video of something just shoot video it'll looks way better when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/601">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► it's in video mode one way or another I am really really excited and amped see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/606">TS</a>]
00:10:11 ◼ ► this because I really think this could be extremely cool a lot of times when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/611">TS</a>]
00:10:17 ◼ ► I'm taking pictures with either by phone or my big camera I really wish I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/617">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► either context or even just a crappy still from a half second before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/623">TS</a>]
00:10:31 ◼ ► and I'm really really excited to see this I think it should be really cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/631">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► now I may end up that I get my iPhone success which by the way is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/635">TS</a>]
00:10:38 ◼ ► Louisville not that I've been looking I will get my iPhone success try and think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/638">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► it's crap but I know I'm really excited for it and I am in it just occurred to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/645">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► me I'm not saying that just because I want to sound enthusiastic about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/648">TS</a>]
00:10:52 ◼ ► something i genuinely am enthusiastic and excited about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/652">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► yeah I'm most excited reading on this your views on everything I'm most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/656">TS</a>]
00:10:59 ◼ ► excited about 3d touch honestly and also the the performance increase was WAY [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/659">TS</a>]
00:11:05 ◼ ► get my goodness I think they talked about it when you see it in the keynoter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/665">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► special event every year they say now it's even know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/669">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► percent faster eighty percent of the usually eat a lot of times they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/673">TS</a>]
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00:23:01 ◼ ► money until like a month and a half from now if there was a way in Apple system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► to basically say oh give all that money back like customers gave the money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► Apple and you can push a button the main applicant the money back to them like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► would never appear in any year statements are pluses and minuses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► mountain in your statement about half an hour be like $0 right right I mean if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:20 ◼ ► they gave me the control then I would have really consider doing that it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1400">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► really suck on that i are actually now losing money on this on this project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► rather than making some money but I also it was it was a weird dilemma of light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:37 ◼ ► do I keep all or any of this money that I you know whoever doesn't claim a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1417">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► refund do I keep an event an apple made the statement made this decision for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:46 ◼ ► they sent me an email I can email from iTunes Connect whenever it was yesterday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1426">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► afternoon but whatever day wasn't lost track of the meaning of days but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► whatever it was saying because you pulled your app we are refunding all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1436">TS</a>]
00:24:01 ◼ ► customers and it almost like a form email you could tell that it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1441">TS</a>]
00:24:07 ◼ ► know somebody killed in like three words and it but they they decided to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1447">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► most likely because I was directing over 10,000 people to their refund for think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► that's like I was seeing over the last couple days there there were i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► think i last kind of something like thirteen or fifteen thousand people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► had been issued refunds through the regular process and the process is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► involves doing some kind of like live chat agent thing with somebody so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:40 ◼ ► was I Apple money to write I mean I can't imagine the load that put on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1480">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► man and I was not very happy about that either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► and you know but I didn't have much of a choice you know I mean my my my original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► choice would have been don't like this app but you know I messed up and i got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► to lie but I messed up simple as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► so I decided given the situation I mean we're already done that mistake how do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► resolve this mistaken the best way possible and had been given the option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► to issue everybody book refunds I probably would have done it I can't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► definitely yes I would have because i dont [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► it was such a rush I don't even know I also don't know but I i considered and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► had asked some some friends at a some friends like is this possible to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► both canceled all these all these things in bulk refund them and everyone I asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► by a simple people and they all said I don't think that's possible because most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► of the time the way the iTunes Store works is this total black box and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► all it's all hit accused him in any Q's team has enough to do if there if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► there's one department within apple that has way too much on their plate it said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:50 ◼ ► accused apartment and so I thought especially in regard to the iTunes Store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1550">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► this is you know this this whole infrastructure that is often does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► work incredibly well with things like iTunes Connect error that's the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► asking them to make an exception for you sound so ridiculous to almost anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► who's involved in this because they know that you know asking them to just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► the basic functionality work every day is enough work for them that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► hard enough anyway so I i didnt i I was not given the option to book refund [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► everybody but I am kind of glad it happened because it it resolved a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► problems it even though it was it was weird that they didn't ask first but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► not surprised and it is kind of nice that I didn't have a choice in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► matter because then I didn't have to make that choice but related to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► part of the reason why someone who purchase the application will be annoyed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► I mean if you purchase it since Marco can issue your refund and since he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► no way to do about refund but what you were doing was directing people please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► go request a refund is the only way you're going to get one you have to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► Apple and that process is annoying and it's like you know by now busy just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► getting your refund seems like a hassle I don't know how to do it now I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► look at Apple's site how do i do refunds market link you to the form that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► palace added champing at the hassle so that they can give you $3 bacteria but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:18 ◼ ► why would you want your $3 back over people basically doing is like the APIs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1638">TS</a>]
00:27:22 ◼ ► pulled obviously know for the development of the Apple the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1642">TS</a>]
00:27:25 ◼ ► isn't a lot of people have this question will the application continue to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1645">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► you know why I bought it I installed it on my phone market pulled from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► storage means no people can buy it what does it mean about the copy of peace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► that is on my phone right now will continue to work if I get a refund will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► continue to work will be deleted from my phone if i dont answer refund how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► will peace work before it just breaks entirely right so the answer is as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► as I know it doesn't affect the light logical mark on your account the says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► you bought it so you are still able to have it run it I think you're able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1678">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► restore it the way I deleted it was I didn't actually delete the entry of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► iTunes Connect I just set the availability date to be as far into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:13 ◼ ► future as it would let me I don't know that fine details of how that work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1693">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► so how it works and so I'm not going to promise anything there but I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► should allow restores everything anyway as for it functioning once you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► installed it will continue to function until something and iOS makes it stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► working it will though stop getting updates from good story sometime in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► future right now it is still a bit updates these are going to be somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► costly for me to run if a lot of people keep the app installed so I might stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► that I'm going to something eventually because now that everybody has gotten a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► refund on it that also makes it easier for me to say well you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► in in a few months I decide to shut down the updater and stop paying for all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► began with the hosting for for that operation then you know I feel ok doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:03 ◼ ► that so I'm gonna shut down some point but I haven't yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1743">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► and when that happens the app background updates to get new definitions from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► my server so eventually it'll become less effective over time as new ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► servers in New trackers start existing on the web that it doesn't know about so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► that's how it will eventually break or some iOS update comes out and says well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:28 ◼ ► now you have to be on our new 128 bit processor by this day and if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1768">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► running to the store as far as I know I don't think they've done any permanent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► breaking changes that would say rule out and iOS four Apple still running today I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► don't think that's the case let's be all that is a very long way of saying if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► want to keep peace installed and if for whatever reason Apple does not remove it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► off your phone and any kind of like budget restore operation are weird thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► like that as far as I know it's going to continue to work for a long time I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1796">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► John I both have some more questions about this but let's talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1801">TS</a>]
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00:32:12 ◼ ► well-executed money grab that that's absolutely what happened right now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1932">TS</a>]
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00:32:18 ◼ ► yeah I'm really bad at MoneyGram yes so anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► know what actually happened was Apple paid the other was my best I heard was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► the Apple paid me off 22 now Apple who made this content blocking API who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► clearly wanted people to use it for Adam tracking bloody just wanted you to block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► pictures of cats Marco who I was also making them a lot of money thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► percent 30% a lot you know that that I think by far my favorite theory that yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:56 ◼ ► of course yet they Apple paid me off to take this down for what exactly to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1976">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► make them lose money and go against all their strategy goals that that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:04 ◼ ► sense no I mean the fact is no one paid me anything I'm now losing money on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1984">TS</a>]
00:33:08 ◼ ► because all the refunds got issued so i'm gona I'm gonna lose a few thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1988">TS</a>]
00:33:11 ◼ ► dollars on it but oh well it took so what happened was over the summer so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1991">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► we we had the iOS we had the content blocker announcement the BBC and in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► John and I are actually in the session video this there's one of the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:30 ◼ ► to the audience and there's a there's a clip of me and John I think were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2010">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► clapping and one of the things that was said whatever so that's how I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► you're making content Marcos in this session go to make any content bunker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► and I hadn't I hadn't decided right then whether I was going to do it or not but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2023">TS</a>]
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00:33:56 ◼ ► appt and you know that the reality is I also want to keep doing overcast as my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2036">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► primary a pipe and so I wasn't going to tackle a new app that I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► going to be a massive time sink and so content blockers are are so easy to me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► mean really it the one the one I made that briefly did very very well and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:22 ◼ ► the ones that are there now this is probably like the most money for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2062">TS</a>]
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00:34:40 ◼ ► that's how we did it because it's like the one if you go to the session he like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► this is how it works and it is down to the data and and so the data is the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► part of it is ridiculous that people asking me to open source it you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:55 ◼ ► understand how little code there is here it is an incredibly special you like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2095">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► the the extensions I added all they do is bring Safari ViewController [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► I don't even read them any browser like it there is so little code in the at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► anybody can make these the only limitation is what the heck he used for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► the data for the rules of what to block that is the only hard part and the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► is there's tons of public of publicly available lists and databases that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► can use and you can even like that I expected to see more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► looked into cutting bloggers that deeply but you could have couldn't you have it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:31 ◼ ► so that someone enter the URL from which to pull data in a format that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2131">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► specify like it could be like the app could come with no didn't say well this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► is a content blocker and it works like this and expect stated to be in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► format so type the URL here a file that I can pull that will be in that format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► and I will parse it and I will be your content blogger and maybe you don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► a defaulting on that pole like a block or two blocks like to be in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► something you could do as well yeah I mean all the data you have to give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► is just a it's a list of rules expressed in JSON and so you can you can get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► Jason from anywhere you could included in the app you can build it on demand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► way I was doing it you get a dynamic rules it doesn't matter if it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► matter so you can make up your own format this is like a bunch of hostnames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► if you want to be like a super simple 1 I'm actually surprised more people to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► that because that is really the least amount of work he can do you make like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:25 ◼ ► trivial application that uses one epi and maybe even you go the extra mile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2185">TS</a>]
00:36:28 ◼ ► marker didn't do the little extensions to bring up the separate you controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2188">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► and I see nice I said there's not a lot of code in here a lot of people said the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► right thing to do is to open source it a I disagree that's I'm not obligated open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► source it would be my arrangement with ghost story is that I'm just giving it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► to them and they can do whatever they want it so it's it's no longer mine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► the fact is if you want to reproduce this it is not a lot of work to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► make another appt like this it really is very very easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:00 ◼ ► the only hard part of the data and that is that is very hard and make the icons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2220">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► are you could copy markers I can I don't mind could go to him and what the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► the what the million ripoff applications that science and a few occasions that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► but like pictures of Mario into their games and stuff like they'll just copied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► exactly yeah if you want to get icon made good apparently it's great because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► copy my designer don't have my design anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► so the thing is all summer I was I was thinking you know I should do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:38 ◼ ► because I have like a it seems like there will be a market now again I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2258">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► assuming from the beginning that it would be a very crowded market right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► from day one and that somebody like Adblock Plus like some well-known brand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► in an ad blocking that had to wait more exposure and visibility and user base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► than I could ever muster that they would be there in day one and would just own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► the whole market I want to think they don't they just not paying attention to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► WWDC like just not like you know cuz we all knew bloggers are going to be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► thing is we were but like maybe they get lost in the W ABC news like you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► think I don't know I agree with you I totally thought that on day one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► store there would be a million content like this because they are so easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:23 ◼ ► make and there are so many places where you can get list from you can do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2303">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► things like I said in nineteen clueless and I am when I found out you are making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► a Michael that's pretty good because in the sort of even if there are tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► them coming out because they're easy to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► how do you get yourself heard above the noise and people who are against all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► was nine on day one like you know and who are into who know that their content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► blockers and who gonna be looking for one day one you have better access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:52 ◼ ► them than a lot of other things maybe you better access to those people then a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2332">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► big company like the thing to make that bike plus because you travel and Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:59 ◼ ► nerd circles and macaroons read your blog and podcast or whatever so if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2339">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► goal is to try to sell a lot of content blockers being there on day one with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► content blogger with a name that people recognize was a good play and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► it was it turns out that you know there was a good play a lot of people thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:19 ◼ ► you meant to being number one paid app in the App Store and there weren't a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2359">TS</a>]
00:39:23 ◼ ► of other ones too and I don't quite understand why either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2363">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► maybe they were just everyone else is asleep at the switch yeah I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► like at the loop they tried to they were published in this list that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► being updated and even at low on launch day they were only something like six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► entries on it and and only a half only like two or three of them were really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► getting any traction with charts I mean I was really surprised by how few there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:44 ◼ ► were any way and and by the way going back I think one of the reasons why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2384">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► big companies like a block plus didn't go there or or haven't been there yet is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:52 ◼ ► because I was kinda blockers are very very limited didn't have access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2392">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► what's being browsed all you do is you provide a list of rules and regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► expressions the same block things that match this but you are not being your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► code is not being called on every page load or is it not being notified on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► what's being loaded and you can't do things like inject your own script to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► your own tracking from your site like you have no access to the way things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► and these big companies like Adblock Plus like ghosts hurry they have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► know the business arm of those companies usually need some kind of access or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► analytics or or track he humorously of what you are what your browsing and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► things are being included on this page what ads are being shown what trackers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:39 ◼ ► are being loaded almost all these big companies have arrangements like that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2439">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► some way shape or form some of them are kind of questionable I think those trees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:48 ◼ ► is pretty safe the way it works I explained in the post you know I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2448">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► their business model I don't think it's something to be concerned about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► whole a couple as they are now blocked pluses I think more here doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2454">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► fact is that i think is why these big companies weren't there on day one of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:07 ◼ ► kind of makes sense because like I understand that their business model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2467">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► doesn't work on to be like oh by the way when they just do exactly what you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► in selling out for three dollars and make a whole bunch of money and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► the answer is probably that even though it's a lot of money for a one-person due [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► for a big company they're like well paid apps they can make a little money in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► burst in and that's it there's no recurring revenue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► and we can support I mean business models so they say they're passing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► what they consider to be chump change what is significant to one person I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► don't know how many people work for companies but a lot more than one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► like that it just didn't seem worth it so that it might explain why the really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► big companies that do it they do you know they want huge numbers they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► like something that would be significant to an individual and especially but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► recurring but then it's like why didn't someone else's another single person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2515">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► developer just give it a shot like it there were so few of them that many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:06 ◼ ► people are making a list I with my lunch they like here although I was nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2526">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► two things on a list of yours wasn't even included because of the five hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:14 ◼ ► delay getting on the stars like crystal purity purify one blogger blog blogger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2534">TS</a>]
00:42:21 ◼ ► within our yeah I saw this and trickling in but to be able to have them in a list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2541">TS</a>]
00:42:25 ◼ ► if it's on a single screen and not a lot of people make content placards right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2545">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► that's that was surprised number one was that there were so few surprise number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:34 ◼ ► two is that mine top the chart anticipate chart crystal was free on day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2554">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► one and got I think the guy said it was a hundred thousand situations and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► he he made it paid on day two and I think now its number one but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► doesn't matter and you're right I mean the kind of money that's coming in it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► great for individual if you have a big staff it's questionable you know if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:57 ◼ ► worth going against your business interests and then you have to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2577">TS</a>]
00:43:00 ◼ ► that like say so you're a big well-known companies like I make my little bursts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2580">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► of money from it and maybe a little bit trickle-down effect but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► significant bottom-line and then I have to continue to pay some contractor to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► make sure the app continues to work and make sure whatever servers serving data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► file that gets up to like it just might seem like a hassle of the big companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► going for the summer as a as I'm thinking about building this and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► really didn't spend a lot of time on it mostly summer was spent thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► how to do it and I had my form the idea of the structure of the app at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► have you know how that would work everything on that be great I wasn't me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► writing a lot of code until the middle of summer when I started playing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► the various blocklist third that exists out there and in various hosts files I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► started emailing the people who maintain them asking if I could license them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► use in a in a paid app is most of them are for non-commercial use only so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► have to get a separate license so I started that that kind of negotiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► and discussions but the original version of a tiny made when I was running for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► for at least a few weeks over the summer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► my own phone it was much simpler all it did was a block all third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► JavaScript that actually works surprisingly like one rule just block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► I'm not entirely sure and recommended people do this but if your main goal if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► you're really tolerate a lot of things being broken and you're willing to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:29 ◼ ► through the process of making the exception or whitelisting or opening up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2669">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► you know without condom bloggers like if you're going to go through that process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► a lot that gets you most of the way there I would say just blocking all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:40 ◼ ► third-party JavaScript gets you eighty percent of the way there and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2680">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► really it's kind of it's kind of sad how much I get you there and all these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► databases and everything they their their strengths are mainly in getting it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► getting to the point where blocks the ad without making anything break or making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► very few things break but if you want to block all the ads and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► occasionally have to open something up in in the undershirt of you just call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2703">TS</a>]
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00:45:12 ◼ ► this this problem attractive in the first place again was because I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2712">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► there's going to be a market for it I wanted to use it and I had the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► how to do it my way I i thought i I did think at a time you know I wonder if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2720">TS</a>]
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00:45:30 ◼ ► you get mad at me if I make it a blocker I did think about that but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:34 ◼ ► excitement of solving this problem in a way that I thought was very good luck I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2734">TS</a>]
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00:45:44 ◼ ► how it turned out see how good it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2744">TS</a>]
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00:48:33 ◼ ► what it would be like to have to publish an issue of the magazine every two weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/2913">TS</a>]
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00:51:50 ◼ ► their new privacy policy where they they explicitly say we we will not do any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► tracking from the decker disturbingly static images or whatever but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3114">TS</a>]
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00:56:27 ◼ ► creepy what publishers are able to see the they're basically watch they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3387">TS</a>]
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00:57:02 ◼ ► level API's they can set different kinds of cookies through flash or through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3422">TS</a>]
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00:57:23 ◼ ► track you and to uniquely identify you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3443">TS</a>]
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00:58:19 ◼ ► at big publishers and they're usually not very big teams so to have those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3499">TS</a>]
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00:58:38 ◼ ► effect is the advertisers and publishers and the Vienna visitors we all hate each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► the advertisers and publishers either get published writer at them off and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► the advertisers don't usually trust the publishers to say how many people viewed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► something if you prosecute everything through the publisher server then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► advertiser whatever the network has no way to verify that those were real hits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► that came from real unique people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► the publisher could fake that dated back to the advertiser and enough people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► would that you know you might get the big sites could agree to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► like you know New York Times could do that but you wouldn't see something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► Google Adsense her like this common things on tons of sites you would see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► some like that kind of model because they just couldn't be trustworthy back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:26 ◼ ► to advertisers so that's not gonna happen anyway going back before I before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3566">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► i came to part of it to be like the post-release thing services thing not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:36 ◼ ► a problem and then as the success rolled in and as I started as a hit number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3576">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► and as money started rolling in big money starts rolling in I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► getting a lot of attention that I really was not prepared to get and I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► want to be the face of this war you know I felt and I used a war metaphors and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3595">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► am i pulling post and I do want to recognize that I'm using these metaphors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► extremely lightly because this is all very much first world problems and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► is nothing like what real war is so I really want to do these metaphors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► extremely loosely in with that John disclaimer had a bit but I I almost feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► like I was an arms dealer you know there's a war going on and these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:22 ◼ ► sides you know really don't like each other and attorney whatever they can to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3622">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► disagree a lot of casualties happening and I was the arms dealer that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► and yet if I start if I pull my appt somebody else will step in they are did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► i mean you know somebody can step in and can become the arms dealer so it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► happen anyway let them be Dr regular I didn't want to do that I didn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:44 ◼ ► be in a position and I i just i didnt expect the scale of it I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3644">TS</a>]
01:00:50 ◼ ► adequately question how I would feel about it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3650">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► late enough in the process I was so I was so taken by how great the app turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► out and how great the good news was working that I I didn't put enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► thought into do I really want to be doing this and then all the requests are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► rolling in a well you know this is really terrible for everybody but if he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► could make these changes and everybody had different changes and they were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► very complex and it was going to be that peace was going to take it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► going to have to replace overcast completely it was I was no are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► be a podcast at maker I would have had to be a full-time ad blocking at maker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► dealing with the full-time realities of being in a position of being an arms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► dealer being that arbiter of what is what is acceptable and what's not and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:42 ◼ ► the fact is I don't know anything about that business at all I've only even used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3702">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► an ad blocker for like three or four months and barely even use them for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► long I was totally unprepared to to be in this role and one slice once I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► faced with the reality of what this role is like I realized oh I really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:03 ◼ ► like this this is really uncomfortable I was I was having trouble sleeping for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3723">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► those few minutes only few nights that people before it pulled it but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► I was having trouble sleeping I was I was really kind of upset all day all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► night it was I really did not know what to do I I just realized that I I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► i'd was way over my head I had not thought through enough and I have found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► myself in a very powerful position that I really didn't want that power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► in an industry that I really didn't want to be in being the face of a war that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► are really did not want to face up that's what happened though it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► ask the question that a lot of people have asked on Twitter in a ceremony with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► was the fact that piece blocked ads on Marco dot org factor in any of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► decisions no I don't make that much money from that is fine it's not at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:02 ◼ ► and it does block them right piece on the market of your website it blocks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3782">TS</a>]
01:03:08 ◼ ► ads on it and you know that and it did not affect any of your decisions I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3788">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► thought it would be a massive dick move I didn't i mean that's maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► because of you know like that all the different things that you do you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► overcast got the podcast you got a website and they all kind of contribute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► to the stuff that you do but it seems to me in recent years that your website [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► although it used to be much more important is now less important so maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► people who only know you're a public space from me didn't you stop selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► sponsorships to the website recently like a year ago or more anyway I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► people have the wrong impression and think think of you think of black market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► targets are saying things like there is in like that Martin target the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:54 ◼ ► thing and then you do these podcasts on the side you make software on the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3834">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► or whatever but at various times the balance between the things you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► right away I barely even write on my site anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► tell me about it yeah yeah you winning you are no but I mean the fact is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► if the deck cancel my membership over this that would like threatening to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► that wouldn't have been if they didn't but threatening to do that would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► have been enough for me to make this is it I made this decision with almost no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► input I asked almost nobody I did actually run a lot of a lot of theories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► are the John Gruber somehow like sodomy to force me to do this the only person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► who knew before I pulled the app that I was going to pull the ad besides history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► and my wife the only the person that I told was John Gruber and he's he's here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:43 ◼ ► he's he's a smart guy and and so I ran up by him as kind of a sanity check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3883">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► like my totally insane here and I don't want to ask a lot of people but I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► ask him is he has thoughts on this issue and he said I should keep it up he told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3894">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► me to leave like he said don't do it he said wait you know this is your being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► rash is think this through you really want to do this so the theory that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► somehow got to me I don't know that in the bed the theory that he got to me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► completely wrong that the fact is I made the decision before talked to him about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:21 ◼ ► it I ran by him he told me don't do and then I did it anyway so that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3921">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► happened and you know once and goes there was great and I thought that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► problem going to them and be like hey nevermind but they made their employment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► before them but we we were on the same page it was fun and they were they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► like they were again so incredibly easy to work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► ok if that's what happened you know before and during and so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► how much time I talked about you know what I think about ads today a Merry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► ranted about how a detractors are the same thing as they are I will say that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► think the biggest problem that web publishing faces is that things they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:10 ◼ ► doing it is nicely I would say journalists are kind of like I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3970">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► this problem with academics as well and probably cuz I was a terrible student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► had generally terrible experiences with school incurring up but academia put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► itself in in a really pious position and some of those deserved but a lot of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:34 ◼ ► isn't in a lot of ways they're just people with the same flaws as everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3994">TS</a>]
01:06:39 ◼ ► the role they serve is in some part special necessary in some parts just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/3999">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► business and so journalism I think you can see all the same things about it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► it does serve a critical role in society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► sometimes most of the journalism taking place today is not providing value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► really or not providing enough value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► it's really hard business because if you're in the business like I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► misusing that word the ironically these but it was kind of ironic that my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► post in which I said that I was pulling the app somebody's preacher and take me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► that it was you know they were like you know a hundred other posts from new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► sites that were basically gives rewrites of it just valueless bad rewrites of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► that didn't even get the right point out of it of course my experience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► journalists personally has been mostly mediocre to negative I have said many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► times in the past that talking to journalists is like talking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► ideally don't they they have different goals the new and they have lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► incentives that might be misaligned incentives and you in my experience I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► been very frequently misrepresented and I've had my quote very frequently used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:03 ◼ ► out of context and against me or again or as weapons to fight a cause that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4083">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► wasn't representing so I had a lot of mediocre experiences or negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► experience of the journalists because there's this this attitude in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► business that they are untouchable that that they are that they they must they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:21 ◼ ► must be automatically supported by society somehow that what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4101">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► has has infinite value and the fact is that you have read this post I see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:28 ◼ ► the hundred useless rewrites that that most site publisher some sites had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4108">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► original content that was interesting an interesting perspective most didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► there's a massive oversupply of journalism publishing on the web ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:45 ◼ ► blockers have existed for a long time people from blocking ads for a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4125">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► ad rates have been going down for a long time especially display ads on websites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► design decisions have been being made by data for a long time there's this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4136">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► infectious culture of data people to drive me nuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► the analytics and data and read all those things are euphemisms for tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► and so this culture drives major decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► at publishers including what analysts going to have in their site what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► trackers are going to embed how to attract you what they're going to track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► who they're going to cellular data to this culture of we're gonna track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► everything that's ok we're gonna make all of our design decisions based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► data and he be testing everything that has infected the industry so so badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► and by the way all the supplies to apps as well but whereas can do is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► and then we'll get to that of the time but the combination of the the the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► people plus publishing just being so hyper competitive so oversupplied and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4183">TS</a>]
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01:21:21 ◼ ► can't be Jersey can't change behavior you can tap the icon you can't make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► more efficient you can't do anything with it right and it seems like you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4886">TS</a>]
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01:21:34 ◼ ► cable doing them because they would just eat it to you to be like but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4894">TS</a>]
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01:21:42 ◼ ► made a mistake with this or it should or should be different or even just your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► own purposes even like you know what a distinct set up its not even working for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► me anymore I can use my own out because of the changes of that that i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► at the core here because I know there are a lot of developers like who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:57 ◼ ► know these these these places they just turn up thousands and thousands and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4917">TS</a>]
01:22:01 ◼ ► thousands of applications but you know fleets are developers their fire and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4921">TS</a>]
01:22:04 ◼ ► forget it's like how goes out into the world makes whatever money is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4924">TS</a>]
01:22:07 ◼ ► make it will never be revisited right but that is not how you you don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4927">TS</a>]
01:22:12 ◼ ► good working that way so you never will work that way and so that's why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4932">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► up like that you to say just make this app to sit on the store making money on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► yeah I think you're right I mean that I can't do that I am NOT able even eat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► whatever I think will will happen before it happens when the time comes I am NOT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► able in the morning and that that I decided to pull it decided to pull you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► know mid-morning before that I was sitting down to start work overnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► peace there I was starting to work on the on the 1.1 update that would add all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► these you know granular settings and all this crap people wanted unlike you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► that's when I start thinking like I really don't want to do this like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► is really I'm not happy making this app I am i cant handle the heat I would like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► to go to the kitchen please like I i cant get and why am I like I wanna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► shipping overcast to point out what what the heck am i doing doing this app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► is that is making me hate myself and one of the problems is it was bringing good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► money it's really hard to turn that down a lot of people wouldn't be able to turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:27 ◼ ► that down I was fortunate that I have other sources of income I had made money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5007">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► in the past so I i I could you know I'd ask my wife of course like you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:35 ◼ ► crazy but I you know the fact is it was really hard to turn that away once it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5015">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► was working but that should give you some idea of how bad I felt about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:49 ◼ ► like that I really really did not want to be in at once I was in it once I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5029">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► in 2010 this is this is not for me I can't I can't handle it I mean being in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:05 ◼ ► the AM blocking business feels like being the piracy business you know men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5045">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► please don't wanna hear from people about this comment but because it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► it isn't the same it isn't it isn't a direct perfect metaphor but there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:19 ◼ ► there's a lot of that that you know being an ambush you know piracy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5059">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► blocking these are things that lots of people want lots of people or admit they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► the one anyway lots of people do it and don't talk about it it's no big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► there are some legitimate reasons to do things that are unjust you want things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► for free like this actually get reason for people power thing sometimes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► there's I think very many legitimate reason to block ads but the fact is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► they can all live in the same world of like things that are either illegal or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► kind of clothes you know kind of in a gray area it's it's a it's a tricky area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► to to define like morals and standards around and so making a living from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5096">TS</a>]
01:25:02 ◼ ► blocker it kind of feels like a kind of music profiting off of piracy or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5102">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► wonder if like people who work for porn sites field feel weird about it like any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► season is over I don't know I don't like either but I suspect it might have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► similar issues of like some people just don't want to be associated with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:26 ◼ ► kind of industry you know and so i think i block it one of those things where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5126">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► it is potentially risky your people getting hurt somewhere along the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► like it's kind of tricky to stomach and I think there's a reason why most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► who make a blocking software are not like prominent indeed personalities in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► public like I don't know the people in either a blogger's at all I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► heard of them its fine they probably would not be exposed to as much crap as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:02 ◼ ► well I was getting because I I put myself out there in the public eye I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5162">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► have a very public persona in this industry and and and among the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► which sometimes I really regret and this is one of those times but where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► really hard to handle but this this is the business made for anonymous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► companies and people who don't mind the heat that's made for them and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:27 ◼ ► neither of those things from people who are angry like my anger about this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5187">TS</a>]
01:26:32 ◼ ► I if I could speak to those people are moment of this show and didn't rage quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5192">TS</a>]
01:26:37 ◼ ► stabilize banks at first I think it's reasonable for people to be angry his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5197">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► Marco did it convenes a lot of people who had to go get a refund before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► big thing happen and and also like you know it's a sort of feeling of betrayal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► like I'm buying the thing because I trust the things that Marco makes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► now the address is being betrayed so there is a fundamental screw up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► Marcus part underlying all this and understand why people are angry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► and you know Marco knew that I would be coming and I think you accept that ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► know like that the short-term pain for long-term gain it's best to just rip off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► the bandaid now people are going to be angry at you and that's just something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:18 ◼ ► you have to deal with right obviously goes online people get really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5238">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► there's that aspect of it and I don't think that's that's that's that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► of your decision-making as I think although you made any way to get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► second thing is that people are angry about that you know they're angry spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► down all sorts of directions and it's like how did you make an ad blocker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:42 ◼ ► not understand that you didn't want to be a person who makes a netbook I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5262">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► you've got done a good job explaining that now but I think your blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► about it explains even better particularly in the title and that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:52 ◼ ► like how dumb is going to be he spent the whole summer making an ad blocker he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5272">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► put that out there and then one day later he goes you know what I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► to make an ad blocking a block ads right like that it somehow you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► understand how ad blockers work and my take on the base on your blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► everything you said is that you understood that you were going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► an ad blocker you wanted to use that bloggers you still do want to use in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► that bunker and you may 21 you like to adjust it a serious like you said you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:17 ◼ ► overdoing things an application that you think is gonna be popular that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5297">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► yourself want to use that you can develop that the formula for making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► an outbreak yeah and so you you made the thing and when it came out that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► you didn't anticipate was the fact that not that I couldn't block dad but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► you know making an ad blocker and having a block as all that work the way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:36 ◼ ► hope that it's great but you didn't anticipate was how you would feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5316">TS</a>]
01:28:39 ◼ ► beating how you feel about being the person who made a net locker and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5319">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► who think that you should be able to predict how you feel about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► happened are asking too much I think of you know like I really want to be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► don't know like the manager of the store that I work out I really want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5337">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► married I really want to you know get a tattoo I really want to learn to fly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► plan to be an account until you actually do all those things you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:13 ◼ ► predictions about how much you're gonna like it are you really gonna like being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5353">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► are you actually gonna like learning to fly a plane you know all those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► you say you want to get married once this person a lot of people change their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:25 ◼ ► mind about that about half of them you know like you may think you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5365">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► didn't you understand what it would be like to be managed to see the manager [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► every day you know what managers do it's not like the mystery and then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► saying you're the man now you're not happy sometimes you just don't know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► you gonna feel about doing anything until you actually do it and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► mistake we all make that mistake in various sizes hopefully most of us don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► make those mistakes in the public eye but sometimes you do right and so my the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5390">TS</a>]
01:29:54 ◼ ► way i frame what margaret is done here is that he didn't correctly picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5394">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► predict how he would feel about something that's not an intellectual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► thing where he didn't understand the consequences or that you know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► grand conspiracy theories Iran to get into is that like you said you think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:10 ◼ ► didn't feel good to you to be doing everything else was working exactly as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5410">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► you predicted like you thought it would could potentially sought because you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:18 ◼ ► know you're prominent and something that people want and it was working more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5418">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► less the way you wanted and your friends that you tried out working well and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► worked well for you all working exactly but other things made you feel bad about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:29 ◼ ► having you there and so what you did was make decisions I feel bad if I want out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5429">TS</a>]
01:30:34 ◼ ► of this feeling make feeling stop now please and the consequence of doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5434">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► was making a bunch of people angry and they're just by an angry cuz you screwed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► up and but you fix it as fast as he could and you know like ripping off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► bandaid the worst thing you could have done is Hemant on feel bad about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► for weeks and weeks and then that would've been terrible get an even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► money even more people pissed and we were in the same situation but you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:58 ◼ ► had no way to both refund them and they would have to even more people going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5458">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► you know it was just you made the decision you made the best of many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► possible bad decisions at the time you had to make it and that bad decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► doesn't absolve you of everything but like I think people are who are who you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► don't forget who are very angry and I like you know that's like I have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► like that's too high of standards like what you're basically saying is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► public figures can never make a mistake you know no that's not you can't hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:27 ◼ ► people that america's you can you can just say about this mistake this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5487">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► mistake too far and now I'm never gonna like I'm never gonna leave a mark was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:34 ◼ ► again I will never trust him again I mean it is a minor betrayal of trust you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5494">TS</a>]
01:31:39 ◼ ► can decide that night but like I think it's unrealistic to think that anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5499">TS</a>]
01:31:43 ◼ ► is ever going to fulfill you know they're never gonna do a market in which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5503">TS</a>]
01:31:49 ◼ ► is basically not correctly predicted they would feel about something I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5509">TS</a>]
01:31:53 ◼ ► just like I'm not going to say that people should or shouldn't be angry or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5513">TS</a>]
01:31:56 ◼ ► whatever it just from my perspective in the grand scheme of things it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5516">TS</a>]
01:32:03 ◼ ► understandable as a thing that happens to all of us and it just happened that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5523">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► happened to Marco on a grand scale and public which is ready for Marco and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► credit for everyone else involved and you know to be clear I really messed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► like I made a huge mistake but a huge mistake was launching the app it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:20 ◼ ► pulling it pulling it was my solution to the mistake the mistake was watching it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5540">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► that I should have I should have seen some warning signs ahead of time that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► you know I don't wanna sleep in this business or I won't be able to handle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► the heat I should have seen those warning signs and I didn't feel I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► blinded by the idea of this cool app that I just made that I thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/5556">TS</a>]
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01:48:31 ◼ ► money grab this is this is insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdRc5hKc/6511">TS</a>]
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