Connected

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00:00:08 ◼   ► Welcome to Connected, episode 477.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Masterclass, Notion and Oracle.

00:00:17 ◼   ► I am your welcomer, Mike Hurley, and I would like to welcome Federico Vittucci.

00:00:21 ◼   ► Welcome Federico.

00:00:22 ◼   ► I feel very welcome. Hi Mike.

00:00:24 ◼   ► I want to make everyone feel welcome. That's what I'm going for today.

00:00:27 ◼   ► I felt a really warm welcome from you today, so thank you.

00:00:32 ◼   ► Can you do this for Steven? Can you welcome him?

00:00:35 ◼   ► Benvenuto, Steven.

00:00:37 ◼   ► La Señor.

00:00:38 ◼   ► To the show.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Do you know what he... We have no idea what he said to you.

00:00:42 ◼   ► I said welcome.

00:00:43 ◼   ► No, but that's what you say you said welcome. We don't know what you said.

00:00:46 ◼   ► Oh, sure. Okay.

00:00:47 ◼   ► You know, you could have said anything.

00:00:48 ◼   ► Fair enough. Fair enough.

00:00:50 ◼   ► I cursed at Steven at the beginning of the show.

00:00:53 ◼   ► You put a hex on him.

00:00:55 ◼   ► No, not again!

00:00:57 ◼   ► A plague on your house.

00:00:59 ◼   ► I was laughing, Mike, because it sounds...

00:01:01 ◼   ► There was like a little bit of hesitation as if you forgot what show you were announcing.

00:01:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:01:07 ◼   ► Okay.

00:01:08 ◼   ► I forgot how to do it. I just started.

00:01:11 ◼   ► You're like, "Welcome to..."

00:01:12 ◼   ► I don't think I've ever said welcome at all.

00:01:14 ◼   ► Well, because I also had... The hesitation was me looking for the episode number.

00:01:18 ◼   ► Mmm.

00:01:19 ◼   ► But I don't know why I said welcome. But that's what you got.

00:01:22 ◼   ► It's different every time.

00:01:24 ◼   ► It's different every time.

00:01:25 ◼   ► Do you guys ever forget or like have to think for a second about how old you are?

00:01:31 ◼   ► Yes.

00:01:32 ◼   ► Mike got it wrong in a podcast once.

00:01:35 ◼   ► And then someone wrote in to correct me.

00:01:37 ◼   ► Yeah, we had follow-up.

00:01:38 ◼   ► Best follow-up of all time.

00:01:41 ◼   ► That is an unbeatable follow-up, right?

00:01:43 ◼   ► That someone writes in to tell you how old you are?

00:01:45 ◼   ► Did they say you're actually 34?

00:01:48 ◼   ► Yeah, it was that.

00:01:49 ◼   ► It's like Mike's actually... Whatever old it was.

00:01:51 ◼   ► I think I remember this.

00:01:54 ◼   ► Friend of the show, Rob, remembered that great follow-up.

00:01:57 ◼   ► My favorite piece of follow-up ever.

00:01:59 ◼   ► But I will give you another piece of follow-up that I enjoyed.

00:02:01 ◼   ► It came from many people. Many people sent it in to me.

00:02:05 ◼   ► I think I saw it first from Keegan.

00:02:07 ◼   ► Because I was talking last week about reading comics at night

00:02:10 ◼   ► and I wanted my iPad to be less bright.

00:02:13 ◼   ► There is an accessibility setting called reduce white point.

00:02:17 ◼   ► This is available in settings, accessibility, display and text size,

00:02:21 ◼   ► reduce white point.

00:02:22 ◼   ► When you turn this on, you can make the screen go incredibly dim.

00:02:26 ◼   ► And there's actually a slider for how dim you want it to be.

00:02:30 ◼   ► I then set this to my triple-click accessibility shortcut

00:02:33 ◼   ► on the lock button.

00:02:35 ◼   ► And I also put it in control center,

00:02:37 ◼   ► where you can have the accessibility shortcut in control center too.

00:02:40 ◼   ► And so now, at night, I can make my iPad go super dim.

00:02:45 ◼   ► I know at some point I'm going to forget that I turned this on

00:02:48 ◼   ► and I didn't think my iPad's broken.

00:02:50 ◼   ► But that is a problem for the future.

00:02:52 ◼   ► I know you don't have a whole scientific lab there to measure the nits.

00:02:56 ◼   ► But is it a noticeable difference?

00:02:58 ◼   ► It's just one nit.

00:02:59 ◼   ► -Oh, just the one. -If you can believe it.

00:03:01 ◼   ► Yep, one nit.

00:03:03 ◼   ► It's like when Apple said the Apple Watch screen go to one hurt

00:03:07 ◼   ► or whatever they said.

00:03:09 ◼   ► Yeah, one hurt. Everybody one hurt.

00:03:11 ◼   ► No, it's incredibly dim.

00:03:14 ◼   ► Like, really, really dim.

00:03:16 ◼   ► Like, it makes a huge difference

00:03:17 ◼   ► just how much further you can bring it down with the reduce white point.

00:03:21 ◼   ► I recommend that you try it, like, on a device,

00:03:23 ◼   ► just to see what it looks like if you do have this thing.

00:03:25 ◼   ► But yeah, this has solved my problem.

00:03:27 ◼   ► And I could tell that this was going to work

00:03:29 ◼   ► because so many people wrote in to tell me about it.

00:03:32 ◼   ► So, like, it's a thing that's gotten out there in the community somehow.

00:03:36 ◼   ► And now here on the Connected program,

00:03:38 ◼   ► I'm helping to perpetuate this information amongst the listeners.

00:03:42 ◼   ► We have some real-time follow-up.

00:03:44 ◼   ► -Okay. -Kate, the official historian of Relay FM,

00:03:47 ◼   ► says, "Mike has started two episodes of Connected with Welcome before today,

00:03:51 ◼   ► episodes 9 and 11."

00:03:54 ◼   ► Oh.

00:03:54 ◼   ► How can Kate know this?

00:03:57 ◼   ► I think we're in Underscore's thing,

00:03:59 ◼   ► where you can search for things we've talked about.

00:04:02 ◼   ► Pod Search or whatever he calls it.

00:04:04 ◼   ► So you could just search the word "welcome," I guess,

00:04:06 ◼   ► and it would come up.

00:04:08 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:04:09 ◼   ► Or Kate just, like, stopped time,

00:04:12 ◼   ► listened to every episode, and then confirmed it was.

00:04:15 ◼   ► They said, "I know things." That's kind of menacing.

00:04:18 ◼   ► [laughs]

00:04:20 ◼   ► It's a lot of power to just give one person, you know?

00:04:22 ◼   ► It really is.

00:04:24 ◼   ► That's why we only have one historian,

00:04:25 ◼   ► because otherwise they get together and you can't handle that.

00:04:28 ◼   ► Mmm. Or maybe there was some sort of historian death battle,

00:04:32 ◼   ► and Kate just came out victorious.

00:04:34 ◼   ► We actually legally can't talk about how the historian was picked.

00:04:38 ◼   ► -Okay. -Steven, I hope that you're stocking up

00:04:40 ◼   ► or have stocked up already, because Apple's stopped selling OS X Lion

00:04:44 ◼   ► and OS X Mountain Lion installers from the Apple Online Store.

00:04:48 ◼   ► -No! No! -Up until a week ago,

00:04:49 ◼   ► -they were still selling them. -No! What am I gonna do now?

00:04:53 ◼   ► From 2011.

00:04:56 ◼   ► Yeah, they got rid of all the linen releases of Mac OS X.

00:05:00 ◼   ► Mountain Lion was the one that they released by surprise, right?

00:05:04 ◼   ► They announced it by surprise.

00:05:06 ◼   ► -Yeah. -Like, Gruber and some other people

00:05:08 ◼   ► had, like, a press meeting, like, "Uh, Mountain Lion's here."

00:05:12 ◼   ► Was that, like, the briefings in, like, in a hotel room or something?

00:05:17 ◼   ► Yes, Daring Fireball Mountain.

00:05:20 ◼   ► It was the one where John Gruber wrote about it

00:05:22 ◼   ► and then was told not to do that anymore, I think.

00:05:25 ◼   ► I think is how the law goes. Like, he wrote...

00:05:27 ◼   ► -About the behind the scenes. -...about the briefing.

00:05:30 ◼   ► And I think was told, "Never do that again."

00:05:32 ◼   ► -Yeah. -"Because you're not supposed to do that."

00:05:35 ◼   ► You're not supposed to talk about, like, the...

00:05:37 ◼   ► But that was actually maybe the more interesting part.

00:05:40 ◼   ► I remember where I was when this news broke

00:05:44 ◼   ► 'cause it was, like, such a wild day.

00:05:45 ◼   ► I was still working at the bank.

00:05:47 ◼   ► I was in a particular part of the job that I hated during that time.

00:05:51 ◼   ► Uh, and, yeah, I remember that. It was very exciting.

00:05:54 ◼   ► And that's all I've got for you on that one.

00:05:56 ◼   ► Lion, as I'm sure everyone remembers,

00:05:59 ◼   ► was sold digitally in the Mac App Store.

00:06:03 ◼   ► And it was the one Craig Federighi was young and nervous

00:06:06 ◼   ► and, like, his hand was shaking on the track pad, all that business.

00:06:09 ◼   ► Uh, but you could also get it on a USB installer.

00:06:13 ◼   ► Well, I dug mine out.

00:06:15 ◼   ► I have my USB installer in its little carrying case right here.

00:06:18 ◼   ► -Plug it in. -And Mountain Lion was only in the App Store.

00:06:21 ◼   ► But this is not as big of a deal as it seems because in 2021,

00:06:26 ◼   ► Apple made Lion and Mountain Lion and a bunch of other old OSs

00:06:30 ◼   ► available for free to download.

00:06:32 ◼   ► -So... -Right.

00:06:33 ◼   ► You can still get them. Don't worry.

00:06:36 ◼   ► -I'm worried. -Don't worry.

00:06:38 ◼   ► I'm worried.

00:06:39 ◼   ► Two not great releases, really.

00:06:42 ◼   ► Lion and Mountain Lion, but that's okay.

00:06:45 ◼   ► Isn't Mountain Lion, like, the one that everybody fantasizes about, though?

00:06:49 ◼   ► Snow Leopard is the one everyone...

00:06:50 ◼   ► Snow Leopard.

00:06:52 ◼   ► ...gets all hot and bothered over.

00:06:54 ◼   ► That's the one. No new features, but there were loads of new features.

00:06:57 ◼   ► Yes, some massive new features in Snow Leopard.

00:07:02 ◼   ► Lion and Mountain Lion were lineny, right?

00:07:05 ◼   ► Lineny UI everywhere.

00:07:07 ◼   ► And they brought a bunch of the iCloud stuff, so like reminders and notes.

00:07:12 ◼   ► No, no, Steven, it's Lion, not...

00:07:15 ◼   ► What did you say? Linen?

00:07:17 ◼   ► -Like, it's Lion. -They were lineny releases.

00:07:19 ◼   ► -Covered in linen. -Lion.

00:07:21 ◼   ► Linen-esque.

00:07:22 ◼   ► OS X Mountain Linen.

00:07:24 ◼   ► -OS X Linen. -Yeah.

00:07:28 ◼   ► OS X Mountain Linen.

00:07:30 ◼   ► Mountain Linen.

00:07:31 ◼   ► Linen.

00:07:32 ◼   ► The accent's coming out.

00:07:33 ◼   ► Linen.

00:07:35 ◼   ► Linen.

00:07:37 ◼   ► Oh, interesting.

00:07:38 ◼   ► That USB key was one of those weird, like, half USBs, right?

00:07:43 ◼   ► It's just exposed contacts.

00:07:44 ◼   ► It's like a piece of plastic with three little contacts on it.

00:07:47 ◼   ► It seems like the most fragile thing ever.

00:07:51 ◼   ► Can you plug it in right now into your computer?

00:07:53 ◼   ► Yeah, plug it in!

00:07:54 ◼   ► -Plug it in. -Come on.

00:07:55 ◼   ► -Plug it in. -Do it. Plug it in.

00:07:56 ◼   ► Plug it in, unseal it and plug it in.

00:07:58 ◼   ► Plug it in and charge it into the Lion on Apple Silicon.

00:08:01 ◼   ► See what happens.

00:08:02 ◼   ► I think I have an unsealed one, hang on.

00:08:03 ◼   ► He has more than one.

00:08:05 ◼   ► And also, do you get this?

00:08:07 ◼   ► -Yeah, hang on. -He won't unseal it.

00:08:09 ◼   ► Like, it's somehow important to keep the Mountain Lion installer

00:08:13 ◼   ► in a sealed box?

00:08:15 ◼   ► -Yeah. -Why is that important to you?

00:08:16 ◼   ► -I have an idea. -Lion.

00:08:17 ◼   ► OS X Lion.

00:08:18 ◼   ► Mac OS X version 10.7.

00:08:22 ◼   ► All right, I'm gonna plug it in.

00:08:23 ◼   ► Plug it in.

00:08:24 ◼   ► This might be the end of the podcast.

00:08:26 ◼   ► This is gonna crash.

00:08:27 ◼   ► Plugged into my CalDigit.

00:08:29 ◼   ► -So bad. -Okay.

00:08:31 ◼   ► Okay. Let me...

00:08:32 ◼   ► I'll put a screenshot of what shows up.

00:08:34 ◼   ► Install it.

00:08:35 ◼   ► Did you get the installer?

00:08:36 ◼   ► Just install it right now.

00:08:38 ◼   ► Click next.

00:08:39 ◼   ► Click continue.

00:08:41 ◼   ► Let's just fire up the wizard.

00:08:43 ◼   ► Okay. Mac OS X install. Do it.

00:08:45 ◼   ► -Do it. -Let's even get the custom icon.

00:08:47 ◼   ► Look at it. It looks like it.

00:08:48 ◼   ► That's cool.

00:08:49 ◼   ► That's cool that they still do it.

00:08:51 ◼   ► Double click it.

00:08:52 ◼   ► -Okay, I'm going. -Yeah.

00:08:53 ◼   ► -See what happens. -Do it.

00:08:55 ◼   ► Install Mac OS X Lion.app.

00:08:57 ◼   ► You coward. Install it.

00:08:59 ◼   ► See, you're one of those people that shows the .app.

00:09:03 ◼   ► Oh, no. You got an error.

00:09:05 ◼   ► Wow. You know what, Steven?

00:09:07 ◼   ► Appreciate that you actually clicked it, you know?

00:09:09 ◼   ► Wait, what's the error message saying?

00:09:11 ◼   ► This version of Mac OS X

00:09:15 ◼   ► is too new to install Mac OS X

00:09:19 ◼   ► from Mac OS X 10.7.

00:09:24 ◼   ► What?

00:09:25 ◼   ► I feel like at some point,

00:09:27 ◼   ► that has gone around on itself, you know?

00:09:29 ◼   ► Like, there's like a double negative in there somewhere.

00:09:32 ◼   ► This version of Mac OS X is too new to run install Mac OS X

00:09:36 ◼   ► from Mac OS X 10.7.

00:09:38 ◼   ► What?

00:09:39 ◼   ► So I think what they're saying is,

00:09:40 ◼   ► this version of Mac OS X, which I'm running,

00:09:43 ◼   ► it's not called Mac OS X anymore,

00:09:45 ◼   ► is too new to run the application install Mac OS X

00:09:49 ◼   ► from the volume Mac OS X 10.7.

00:09:53 ◼   ► But that's a hot mess of a sentence.

00:09:55 ◼   ► That's words in English.

00:09:57 ◼   ► Well, I thought it might have meant

00:09:58 ◼   ► that you could only run it from Mac OS X 10.7.

00:10:02 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:10:03 ◼   ► It's very confusing.

00:10:04 ◼   ► Bellroy have launched a new Apple iPhone.

00:10:07 ◼   ► Apple iPhone.

00:10:08 ◼   ► My word.

00:10:09 ◼   ► Have you guys heard about the Apple iPhone?

00:10:11 ◼   ► I know the Apple iPhone.

00:10:12 ◼   ► The Apple iPhone.

00:10:13 ◼   ► The Mac phone.

00:10:14 ◼   ► They've released a new Mac phone, iPhone 15.

00:10:17 ◼   ► Oh, jeez.

00:10:19 ◼   ► That mountain lion thing has firmed me off.

00:10:20 ◼   ► Now I'm the mountain lion, right?

00:10:22 ◼   ► Like I'm doing the same things over and over again.

00:10:25 ◼   ► The mountain lion is coming from inside the house.

00:10:26 ◼   ► Has released an iPhone 15 pro case

00:10:29 ◼   ► that has an actual button for the action button.

00:10:32 ◼   ► And I just wanted to see if this actual action,

00:10:35 ◼   ► if this excited the two of you.

00:10:37 ◼   ► And I wanted to maybe check in on your cases

00:10:40 ◼   ► and also if you're still using the action buttons.

00:10:42 ◼   ► That's too many questions.

00:10:43 ◼   ► Pick one.

00:10:45 ◼   ► Question number one.

00:10:46 ◼   ► Are you still using the action button?

00:10:48 ◼   ► I get what I want with the dull obvious question.

00:10:51 ◼   ► Yes.

00:10:51 ◼   ► What are you using it for now?

00:10:52 ◼   ► Multi-button still the same.

00:10:55 ◼   ► I got by default, creates a new task in things.

00:11:00 ◼   ► And if I press it again, runs Apple frames.

00:11:04 ◼   ► And I'm still working on finishing up an update

00:11:08 ◼   ► to the shortcut that when you run the action button

00:11:11 ◼   ► inside a compatible app, it does something else.

00:11:14 ◼   ► So if I run the action button when I'm using things,

00:11:18 ◼   ► it brings up a menu to do stuff with the selected task.

00:11:24 ◼   ► Steven, what's your action button doing right now?

00:11:26 ◼   ► It is tied to a shortcut that just gives me a text field

00:11:30 ◼   ► and whatever I put in the text field becomes a task name

00:11:32 ◼   ► for to do as inbox and it's automatically due today.

00:11:36 ◼   ► But in the 17.2 beta, anytime I try to use this,

00:11:41 ◼   ► but then try to dictate into it, it crashes.

00:11:45 ◼   ► So I need to work on that.

00:11:47 ◼   ► That's really good.

00:11:49 ◼   ► I think that tasks are the best thing

00:11:50 ◼   ► for the action button.

00:11:51 ◼   ► Like adding to a to-do list.

00:11:52 ◼   ► I think Federico, that was a genius idea that you had

00:11:55 ◼   ► like a brainwave and it 100% played out to be correct.

00:11:59 ◼   ► What are the two of you using for cases now

00:12:01 ◼   ► and are you happy with your cases

00:12:03 ◼   ► and is the Bora case good?

00:12:04 ◼   ► Still the Nomad one, Nomad leather case

00:12:07 ◼   ► holding up perfectly.

00:12:09 ◼   ► Oh yeah, you're using a whole ween leather one, right?

00:12:12 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, because I hate the environment, yes.

00:12:15 ◼   ► Wow.

00:12:16 ◼   ► No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:12:17 ◼   ► It's not what I was getting at.

00:12:18 ◼   ► I was just saying you were using the fancy one.

00:12:20 ◼   ► They're both leather, right?

00:12:21 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm using the fancy one real bad for PlanetWear.

00:12:23 ◼   ► Which one is it?

00:12:24 ◼   ► Modern leather case, right?

00:12:27 ◼   ► They call it, I think.

00:12:28 ◼   ► I have no idea.

00:12:29 ◼   ► They sent an email saying,

00:12:31 ◼   ► "Hey, we have iPhone cases and I clicked buy."

00:12:34 ◼   ► I have the non-horween leather,

00:12:36 ◼   ► so the less expensive Nomad case.

00:12:40 ◼   ► And yeah, I love it.

00:12:42 ◼   ► It's like the Apple leather case, but better.

00:12:44 ◼   ► And it's held up great.

00:12:47 ◼   ► You're still caseless?

00:12:48 ◼   ► Oh, of course.

00:12:49 ◼   ► I like to live my life.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Mm.

00:12:52 ◼   ► You know?

00:12:52 ◼   ► I have thought about, like what would it be like

00:12:55 ◼   ► to use the fine woven case for a year?

00:12:57 ◼   ► But I don't think I'd make it.

00:12:58 ◼   ► I was with a friend the other day

00:13:00 ◼   ► who uses the fine woven case

00:13:03 ◼   ► and they've obviously had it on for,

00:13:05 ◼   ► I don't know, a couple of months.

00:13:06 ◼   ► Looked bad, looked real bad.

00:13:07 ◼   ► I didn't say anything to them, but--

00:13:09 ◼   ► Who was it?

00:13:10 ◼   ► That case.

00:13:10 ◼   ► Somebody we know?

00:13:11 ◼   ► I won't, yeah, but I'm not gonna say.

00:13:13 ◼   ► And it was real bad.

00:13:15 ◼   ► It looked terrible.

00:13:16 ◼   ► It really looked bad.

00:13:18 ◼   ► It looked like the whole case had faded,

00:13:19 ◼   ► is what it looked like.

00:13:20 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:13:21 ◼   ► It did not look good to me.

00:13:22 ◼   ► I mean, if you're enjoying your fine woven case,

00:13:24 ◼   ► you know, go wild, you know, go woven crazy over there.

00:13:28 ◼   ► But like, I don't think it looks good, you know?

00:13:32 ◼   ► I think that it doesn't look good.

00:13:34 ◼   ► And yes, I am relitigating the fine woven drama, you know?

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00:14:21 ◼   ► There's a way to do that here as well.

00:14:22 ◼   ► - You can send others gifts.

00:14:23 ◼   ► Maybe someone in your life's like,

00:14:25 ◼   ► "What shall I get you for Christmas?"

00:14:27 ◼   ► And you'd be like, "Here you go."

00:14:28 ◼   ► And you send them the link to giverelay.com

00:14:31 ◼   ► because this will be all the way up until December 15th.

00:14:34 ◼   ► So lots of gift given opportunities

00:14:36 ◼   ► are available for you there.

00:14:38 ◼   ► And then you can get, say for Connected,

00:14:40 ◼   ► this show that you're listening to,

00:14:42 ◼   ► longer ad-free episodes of every single episode

00:14:45 ◼   ► of Connected plus a ton of bonus content

00:14:49 ◼   ► that we put out with many of your favorite hosts

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00:14:53 ◼   ► Me and Steven do a monthly show called Backstage

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00:15:05 ◼   ► Did you know about those awards by the way?

00:15:07 ◼   ► - You say awards like prizes?

00:15:08 ◼   ► - Multi-award winning, yeah.

00:15:10 ◼   ► We have won multiple awards for our Discord

00:15:12 ◼   ► 'cause it's so good.

00:15:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, the Discordies, I think is what those are called.

00:15:16 ◼   ► - We've won multiple awards 'cause it's such a good Discord.

00:15:20 ◼   ► There are lots of wallpapers.

00:15:23 ◼   ► Steven, how many wallpapers

00:15:24 ◼   ► or how big is that wallpaper file now?

00:15:26 ◼   ► It's huge, right? - Let me look.

00:15:28 ◼   ► Relay FM. - There's so many wallpapers.

00:15:29 ◼   ► Every time there's some fun custom art on a show,

00:15:32 ◼   ► we make a wallpaper out of it.

00:15:33 ◼   ► There's so much fun stuff there.

00:15:34 ◼   ► It's available for you and you can get it for 20% off

00:15:38 ◼   ► by going to giverelay.com.

00:15:39 ◼   ► - It's 180 images.

00:15:43 ◼   ► - That's a lot of images.

00:15:44 ◼   ► Some could say too many wallpapers.

00:15:46 ◼   ► - I mean, it's desktop and mobile, so it's 85 each.

00:15:48 ◼   ► - But still, some would say that's too many.

00:15:50 ◼   ► But if you have 85 screens,

00:15:52 ◼   ► we have an individual wallpaper for each one of them now.

00:15:55 ◼   ► You can go to giverelay.com or you can just sign up

00:15:58 ◼   ► for any show on an annual plan

00:16:00 ◼   ► and use the code holidays2024 at checkout.

00:16:03 ◼   ► - Discordies, we're gonna win again.

00:16:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, we're gonna crush it.

00:16:07 ◼   ► - It's gonna be awesome.

00:16:08 ◼   ► Take that Club Max stories.

00:16:10 ◼   ► - That's unfair.

00:16:11 ◼   ► - Club Max Stories also won some awards.

00:16:13 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, okay.

00:16:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, congratulations Club Max Stories Discord.

00:16:17 ◼   ► - Thank you, thank you.

00:16:18 ◼   ► - You do have the coolest membership name out of anybody.

00:16:20 ◼   ► That's for sure.

00:16:21 ◼   ► Ours is just the Relay FM membership

00:16:24 ◼   ► 'cause we're gonna go with a cool name.

00:16:26 ◼   ► - Well, 'cause there's so many names within the name, right?

00:16:28 ◼   ► - I have some bad news.

00:16:30 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:16:31 ◼   ► - Some long-term followup, really.

00:16:33 ◼   ► We've talked about HomePods before.

00:16:37 ◼   ► Federico's had many and sold many and bought many more

00:16:40 ◼   ► over the years.

00:16:41 ◼   ► What is your voice assistant of choice at the minute,

00:16:43 ◼   ► Federico?

00:16:44 ◼   ► - My voice assistant?

00:16:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, like are you using Amazon stuff, using HomePods?

00:16:49 ◼   ► What are you using right now?

00:16:49 ◼   ► - I use the HomePod primarily.

00:16:52 ◼   ► I have the Amazon Echo in the living room,

00:16:55 ◼   ► but I only really use it to turn on the outdoor lights

00:16:59 ◼   ► and close the shutters or open them in the morning.

00:17:03 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:17:04 ◼   ► - Is that so you can speak in Italian

00:17:05 ◼   ► and don't look silly in front of your friends?

00:17:07 ◼   ► Yeah, fair enough.

00:17:07 ◼   ► That is a genuinely good reason.

00:17:10 ◼   ► - But I just wondered what the difference was.

00:17:13 ◼   ► 'Cause obviously I know all these things, the home kit.

00:17:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, as soon as Siri becomes multilingual,

00:17:19 ◼   ► but I'm gonna get rid of that Amazon Echo.

00:17:22 ◼   ► - The third of my three original HomePods has died.

00:17:25 ◼   ► I'm now zero for three on my original units.

00:17:28 ◼   ► - I have two of them.

00:17:29 ◼   ► They're still fine.

00:17:30 ◼   ► I've repurposed them here at the studio.

00:17:32 ◼   ► Like, what are you doing?

00:17:33 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:17:34 ◼   ► I've gotten, we were talking about the MPU forums

00:17:36 ◼   ► the other day, like people are all over the place.

00:17:38 ◼   ► Some people's have lasted forever.

00:17:40 ◼   ► This one that just died was in the kitchen,

00:17:42 ◼   ► got the most use of the three by far

00:17:45 ◼   ► and lasted way longer than all of them, but it died.

00:17:49 ◼   ► So I replaced it with a, like the navy blue HomePod mini.

00:17:53 ◼   ► And it's fine.

00:17:54 ◼   ► - So how many HomePod minis do you have now?

00:17:56 ◼   ► - Bedroom, kitchen, two in the studio.

00:18:00 ◼   ► And then we have a kind of a floating one

00:18:02 ◼   ► on that battery dock that Federico brought

00:18:04 ◼   ► to the show a while back.

00:18:05 ◼   ► - That's quite a lot of HomePod minis.

00:18:06 ◼   ► - So five.

00:18:07 ◼   ► - That's a lot of HomePod minis.

00:18:09 ◼   ► - They're great though.

00:18:10 ◼   ► I mean, they're great.

00:18:12 ◼   ► They don't sound like, it doesn't sound as good

00:18:13 ◼   ► as the full one did in the kitchen,

00:18:15 ◼   ► but I wasn't gonna go buy another full-sized one.

00:18:18 ◼   ► So the mini it is.

00:18:20 ◼   ► - Sorry for your loss.

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00:20:57 ◼   ► It's Q&A time.

00:20:58 ◼   ► It's a holiday week.

00:20:59 ◼   ► We thought this would be a fun break

00:21:01 ◼   ► from kind of the normal tech stuff.

00:21:03 ◼   ► And honestly, people are only talking about open AI

00:21:06 ◼   ► and it's impossible.

00:21:07 ◼   ► - You've already heard that conversation a thousand times,

00:21:10 ◼   ► so we're not gonna have it.

00:21:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, we're not gonna have it on this show.

00:21:12 ◼   ► We're gonna do some Q&A

00:21:13 ◼   ► and I'm gonna start with a question from Ava.

00:21:16 ◼   ► Ava asks, "What is each of your favorite Apple products,

00:21:20 ◼   ► "hardware or software of all time?"

00:21:23 ◼   ► - I have a short list of contenders

00:21:24 ◼   ► and I'm hoping that in speaking them aloud to you,

00:21:27 ◼   ► I might be able to pick mine.

00:21:29 ◼   ► So, iPod mini, 'cause it's like, it's awesome

00:21:33 ◼   ► and it's what drew me to Apple.

00:21:36 ◼   ► I had a pink iPod mini that I loved.

00:21:38 ◼   ► The iPad mini is just the best, right?

00:21:41 ◼   ► Like over all of its iterations,

00:21:42 ◼   ► I've enjoyed that product a lot

00:21:44 ◼   ► and it's really good at what it does.

00:21:46 ◼   ► The M2 MacBook Air is my favorite Mac of all time.

00:21:50 ◼   ► And the iPhone 15 Pro Max is my favorite iPhone

00:21:54 ◼   ► and I know that it's like the newest iPhone,

00:21:57 ◼   ► but the newest iPhone isn't always my favorite iPhone.

00:21:59 ◼   ► Like the iPhone 14, kind of boring.

00:22:02 ◼   ► Wasn't a big fan of it, right?

00:22:04 ◼   ► Looking at this list,

00:22:06 ◼   ► the iPod mini would just be pure nostalgia,

00:22:08 ◼   ► so I don't think I'm gonna go there.

00:22:09 ◼   ► I think I'm gonna go iPad mini.

00:22:11 ◼   ► I think it's like, for me,

00:22:13 ◼   ► the best of all of the things that I like

00:22:16 ◼   ► about Apple products and so I think I'm gonna go there.

00:22:19 ◼   ► I'm gonna say the iPad mini

00:22:20 ◼   ► is my favorite Apple product of all time.

00:22:23 ◼   ► I had this list in mind,

00:22:25 ◼   ► two hardware devices and a software entry.

00:22:32 ◼   ► So I was gonna go with iPad Pro,

00:22:35 ◼   ► AirPods and shortcuts in my short list.

00:22:39 ◼   ► I mean, iPad Pro, because of course, shortcuts also,

00:22:44 ◼   ► I don't think I need to explain this, but AirPods,

00:22:47 ◼   ► and I'm not referring to any generation in particular here,

00:22:53 ◼   ► but just the idea of just how much I've been using AirPods

00:22:57 ◼   ► since the introduction seven years ago.

00:23:01 ◼   ► - Multiple hours a day.

00:23:02 ◼   ► - Multiple hours a day.

00:23:03 ◼   ► How they simply created a market that didn't exist,

00:23:07 ◼   ► a brand, redefined the whole category.

00:23:10 ◼   ► So, and shortcuts, I mean, obviously it used to be workflow

00:23:14 ◼   ► and then it was acquired by Apple.

00:23:16 ◼   ► I am going to go with,

00:23:20 ◼   ► I think it comes down to iPad Pro and AirPods for me,

00:23:22 ◼   ► and I think I will still pick the iPad Pro

00:23:25 ◼   ► as my favorite Apple product of all time,

00:23:27 ◼   ► just because of what it did to my life.

00:23:29 ◼   ► Like it really showed me the way

00:23:32 ◼   ► of what I wanted to do with my career.

00:23:34 ◼   ► And for all its problems, I still love using my iPad Pro.

00:23:39 ◼   ► Like I really do.

00:23:40 ◼   ► So mine is the iPad Pro.

00:23:43 ◼   ► - I've got three old ones and one new one.

00:23:46 ◼   ► The first one is purely emotional,

00:23:48 ◼   ► the third generation iPod,

00:23:49 ◼   ► the one with the red buttons no one liked.

00:23:51 ◼   ► My first iPod meant a lot to me to get it

00:23:54 ◼   ► and I used it for a long time.

00:23:56 ◼   ► 12 inch power book, didn't own one at the time,

00:23:59 ◼   ► but it's like the super cool notebook from a long time ago.

00:24:04 ◼   ► Software, is this more about the idea of the application

00:24:08 ◼   ► than the application itself?

00:24:10 ◼   ► But Aperture, like a professional photo app from Apple.

00:24:13 ◼   ► Aperture had its issues, but I would still like photos

00:24:16 ◼   ► to gain some more powerful features.

00:24:20 ◼   ► And then the M2 MacBook Air is just so good.

00:24:25 ◼   ► The design is awesome.

00:24:26 ◼   ► There's really nothing to complain about in that computer.

00:24:29 ◼   ► And I had one and then I went MacBook Pro

00:24:33 ◼   ► from my only computer and got rid of the Air and I miss it.

00:24:35 ◼   ► I wish I had room for an M2 Air in my life.

00:24:38 ◼   ► - The cracks are starting to form.

00:24:40 ◼   ► This is how it begins.

00:24:43 ◼   ► - Maybe.

00:24:44 ◼   ► - Steven just needs to verbalize something like that

00:24:45 ◼   ► and then his entire worldview changes.

00:24:47 ◼   ► - Also really liked my Mac Pro.

00:24:49 ◼   ► Lots of good things.

00:24:50 ◼   ► This is a hard question.

00:24:51 ◼   ► - Pick one.

00:24:52 ◼   ► Pick one.

00:24:53 ◼   ► - 3rd gen iPod.

00:24:56 ◼   ► - You picked the worst iPod as the best Apple product ever.

00:25:00 ◼   ► - No, the worst iPod was the,

00:25:03 ◼   ► well, maybe the worst full-size iPod.

00:25:05 ◼   ► The worst iPod was the shuffle with no buttons.

00:25:07 ◼   ► Come on.

00:25:08 ◼   ► - I mean, that was just like its own thing, you know?

00:25:09 ◼   ► It's just out there living its life.

00:25:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, no one could use it.

00:25:12 ◼   ► - So yeah, it's the humane pen before the humane pen,

00:25:17 ◼   ► you know, like that's what it was out there doing.

00:25:18 ◼   ► It was out there doing that.

00:25:20 ◼   ► - Kariku wants to know, what did you have for breakfast?

00:25:23 ◼   ► - Okay, so mine's a very particular one.

00:25:29 ◼   ► So Silvia and I, we've been following a diet lately

00:25:32 ◼   ► and okay, so I'm gonna try my best to describe this.

00:25:37 ◼   ► I believe they're called the buckwheat crackers.

00:25:42 ◼   ► This 100%, like it's not peanut butter.

00:25:46 ◼   ► It's like 100% nuts sort of, how would you call it?

00:25:51 ◼   ► It's not cream. - Spread?

00:25:54 ◼   ► - Spread, yes, thank you.

00:25:56 ◼   ► Yeah, and that.

00:25:57 ◼   ► So just, and a coffee.

00:26:00 ◼   ► And actually also like, and a glass of,

00:26:04 ◼   ► again, 100% oat milk.

00:26:07 ◼   ► That was my breakfast.

00:26:09 ◼   ► - You have a glass of oat milk?

00:26:11 ◼   ► You should drink oat milk?

00:26:12 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:26:13 ◼   ► - Interesting, I've never known anybody to do that.

00:26:16 ◼   ► I'm sure people do it, but.

00:26:17 ◼   ► - We found a really good brand

00:26:19 ◼   ► that it's just no sugar, no extras.

00:26:23 ◼   ► There's a lot of like these oat milks that you can buy

00:26:27 ◼   ► at like the supermarket that have either salt

00:26:30 ◼   ► or sunflower oil in them.

00:26:33 ◼   ► And this one is just water and oats, I guess.

00:26:36 ◼   ► - Have you considered like,

00:26:38 ◼   ► I know you drink your coffee as espresso, right?

00:26:40 ◼   ► Like, have you considered something like a cappuccino

00:26:42 ◼   ► with oat milk in the morning?

00:26:44 ◼   ► - Silvia does it, I don't.

00:26:45 ◼   ► - And you wouldn't want to do it?

00:26:47 ◼   ► - No, I just prefer them separate.

00:26:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, I understand that.

00:26:51 ◼   ► It's just because you're drinking the oat milk,

00:26:53 ◼   ► it's like, well, you could combine them,

00:26:54 ◼   ► but if you don't, I can't.

00:26:55 ◼   ► - She does it, she does it.

00:26:57 ◼   ► - I think Silvia has got the right idea there, to be honest.

00:27:00 ◼   ► - And I take my espresso with just one teaspoon of honey.

00:27:05 ◼   ► I stopped using sugar months ago, yeah.

00:27:08 ◼   ► - Steven, what did you have for breakfast?

00:27:10 ◼   ► - I had a glass of orange juice

00:27:13 ◼   ► and like a little oat bar kind of thing.

00:27:16 ◼   ► - I don't eat breakfast, I had a latte.

00:27:18 ◼   ► - What?

00:27:19 ◼   ► - I don't have breakfast.

00:27:20 ◼   ► - No, that's super bad.

00:27:21 ◼   ► - So what was the first thing you ate today then?

00:27:23 ◼   ► Did you have lunch?

00:27:24 ◼   ► - I had some, like, they're called rivita,

00:27:27 ◼   ► it's like a rye cracker with a Philadelphia cheese spread

00:27:30 ◼   ► and a tangerine.

00:27:31 ◼   ► That was lunch and that was at two o'clock

00:27:33 ◼   ► in the afternoon, I think.

00:27:35 ◼   ► I don't eat breakfast, breakfast gets on my nerves.

00:27:37 ◼   ► Because look, for breakfast,

00:27:38 ◼   ► all I want is things that are bad for me for breakfast.

00:27:40 ◼   ► So if I don't have breakfast,

00:27:42 ◼   ► then I don't have the things that are bad for me.

00:27:45 ◼   ► - Bacon and pancakes.

00:27:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, or just like cereal.

00:27:48 ◼   ► So I don't have it.

00:27:50 ◼   ► - All right, next up we have Peter.

00:27:52 ◼   ► This question is about me, so I don't know how to--

00:27:55 ◼   ► - I'm sorry, I didn't order them very well.

00:27:57 ◼   ► - Peter asks, how does Federico speak such perfect English?

00:28:02 ◼   ► Thank you, Peter, I don't think I do.

00:28:05 ◼   ► - You do.

00:28:08 ◼   ► Lots of practice, I would say, since I was little.

00:28:12 ◼   ► Lots of video games, lots of TV shows, lots of books.

00:28:15 ◼   ► TV shows and movies without subtitles

00:28:19 ◼   ► and just being podcasting for 10 years at this point.

00:28:22 ◼   ► So I mean, it would be concerning if it hadn't improved.

00:28:27 ◼   ► - Your English is super good though.

00:28:31 ◼   ► Like your English is basically perfect.

00:28:33 ◼   ► Like, listen to me a minute ago,

00:28:35 ◼   ► I couldn't even string a sentence together.

00:28:37 ◼   ► - Oh, you had some linen stuck in your throat earlier.

00:28:39 ◼   ► - I did, I did, that was the problem, right?

00:28:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, thank you, Peter, appreciate it.

00:28:44 ◼   ► - Nyleen asks, what's the worst--

00:28:46 ◼   ► - It's Nylean, let me tell you.

00:28:47 ◼   ► - Nylean, come on, Federico says it all the time now,

00:28:49 ◼   ► you can do this.

00:28:51 ◼   ► - Say it again.

00:28:52 ◼   ► - Nylean.

00:28:52 ◼   ► - Stephen and names, the permanent struggle.

00:28:56 ◼   ► - It's so bad.

00:28:58 ◼   ► They ask, what's the--

00:29:00 ◼   ► - No, no, come on, you can do this, you can do this.

00:29:02 ◼   ► - This is the American school system at work here.

00:29:05 ◼   ► - Wow, wow.

00:29:06 ◼   ► - Go for it.

00:29:07 ◼   ► - Nylean.

00:29:08 ◼   ► - Nylean, okay.

00:29:10 ◼   ► - Plus.

00:29:10 ◼   ► - What is the worst tech product currently

00:29:13 ◼   ► in your possession that you still use?

00:29:16 ◼   ► - This is such a good question.

00:29:17 ◼   ► - Yes, and it's easy answer for me, the Amazon Echo Show.

00:29:21 ◼   ► - Okay, why?

00:29:23 ◼   ► - We just replaced it, which was good.

00:29:25 ◼   ► Like we placed it with the little one.

00:29:26 ◼   ► So we had like the old 10 inch one

00:29:29 ◼   ► and we just replaced it with the eight inch one,

00:29:31 ◼   ► which is great because the 10 inch one

00:29:32 ◼   ► would just stop working.

00:29:34 ◼   ► Like it would just stop.

00:29:36 ◼   ► Like you'd ask it to set a timer

00:29:37 ◼   ► and it would just restart.

00:29:41 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:29:42 ◼   ► - That thing was really struggling.

00:29:44 ◼   ► It was like a 2018 model or whatever

00:29:46 ◼   ► and it was very unhappy.

00:29:49 ◼   ► And we just replaced it.

00:29:50 ◼   ► The screen is better, it's smaller, which I prefer.

00:29:52 ◼   ► If we're gonna have to have it,

00:29:53 ◼   ► I would like it to have less counter space.

00:29:56 ◼   ► I do not want this product in my life.

00:29:58 ◼   ► This is something purely that my wife wants.

00:30:04 ◼   ► What I don't like about it is how much crap

00:30:07 ◼   ► it puts on the screen.

00:30:09 ◼   ► And I know that you can kind of get rid of the crap,

00:30:12 ◼   ► but Adina wants a lot of the crap that's on the screen,

00:30:15 ◼   ► which are effectively ads for how to do more stuff

00:30:19 ◼   ► with the Amazon Echo,

00:30:20 ◼   ► but she likes to ask it the questions it prompts to ask,

00:30:23 ◼   ► like what's the dog breed of the day?

00:30:26 ◼   ► Which is just like, who the hell cares?

00:30:29 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:30:30 ◼   ► Who cares?

00:30:31 ◼   ► Like who cares what Amazon thinks

00:30:33 ◼   ► is the dog breed of the day today?

00:30:35 ◼   ► I will say it did say,

00:30:36 ◼   ► it did ask me the other day to ask it

00:30:38 ◼   ► what the Pokemon of the day was,

00:30:40 ◼   ► which is I guess a real turning point for me.

00:30:42 ◼   ► But I don't like this product.

00:30:44 ◼   ► - Was it Lickitung?

00:30:45 ◼   ► - I didn't ask 'cause I refuse.

00:30:47 ◼   ► Yeah, I just, I think that they really dropped the ball.

00:30:52 ◼   ► Like the only thing I like about it

00:30:53 ◼   ► is that it shows me images, like from our photos.

00:30:57 ◼   ► I upload photos from our vacations

00:31:00 ◼   ► to the Amazon photo library thing,

00:31:04 ◼   ► and it shows me images, but I wish I could get rid of it,

00:31:07 ◼   ► but this is just one of these things that I'm losing,

00:31:09 ◼   ► is a battle I've decided to lose in my house

00:31:12 ◼   ► for the sake of harmony in the home.

00:31:13 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with the MagSafe battery pack.

00:31:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a bad one.

00:31:18 ◼   ► - It's annoying.

00:31:20 ◼   ► If you have a Pro Max,

00:31:21 ◼   ► it can't charge your phone all the way.

00:31:23 ◼   ► And when I use it, I keep it charged, I keep it in my backpack.

00:31:26 ◼   ► There are times that it has saved my bacon,

00:31:28 ◼   ► but it's pretty bad.

00:31:31 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go with the Apple Magic track pad,

00:31:34 ◼   ► which I use with my iPad Pro.

00:31:38 ◼   ► - Like the external standalone track pad?

00:31:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, the external standalone.

00:31:41 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:31:42 ◼   ► - Have I told you guys what I've done?

00:31:45 ◼   ► I don't think I have.

00:31:46 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:31:47 ◼   ► - So. (laughs)

00:31:48 ◼   ► - How many kickstands did you put on the track pad?

00:31:50 ◼   ► - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:31:52 ◼   ► Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:31:53 ◼   ► So you know I have this setup

00:31:55 ◼   ► that lets me use the iPad Pro with the glasses at night.

00:31:59 ◼   ► Right?

00:32:00 ◼   ► I close the cover on top of the iPad Pro.

00:32:03 ◼   ► I use that fake clamshell mode technique

00:32:06 ◼   ► that I wrote about months ago.

00:32:08 ◼   ► And I can just watch TV shows or read stuff

00:32:12 ◼   ► with the glasses.

00:32:15 ◼   ► So Silvio doesn't see anything.

00:32:16 ◼   ► But of course I still need to control iPad OS.

00:32:20 ◼   ► And so I told you guys I got a Magic Bridge

00:32:24 ◼   ► from 12 South to hold the Magic Keyboard

00:32:27 ◼   ► and Magic Trackpad together.

00:32:29 ◼   ► And then I told you that I had gotten from Amazon

00:32:31 ◼   ► those glow in the dark stickers for the Magic Keyboard.

00:32:34 ◼   ► - Very janky glow in the dark stickers.

00:32:36 ◼   ► - Very janky.

00:32:36 ◼   ► Now let me tell you those glow in the dark stickers

00:32:38 ◼   ► didn't last long.

00:32:40 ◼   ► I hated that setup.

00:32:41 ◼   ► - I'm not surprised about that to be honest.

00:32:42 ◼   ► - I couldn't stand it.

00:32:43 ◼   ► I hated it.

00:32:44 ◼   ► I wanted to throw the keyboard out the window.

00:32:47 ◼   ► - Would you not like the way they felt?

00:32:48 ◼   ► - No, it just felt stupid.

00:32:50 ◼   ► I was like, what am I doing here?

00:32:51 ◼   ► Why do I do?

00:32:53 ◼   ► In 2023, why am I using a keyboard

00:32:55 ◼   ► with glow in the dark stickers on it?

00:32:57 ◼   ► Like it's ridiculous.

00:32:58 ◼   ► - Federico, it's a very good question to ask.

00:33:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:33:02 ◼   ► But I had an epiphany.

00:33:04 ◼   ► I realized, you know, there's this company called Satechi.

00:33:09 ◼   ► And they make a keyboard that I believe

00:33:12 ◼   ► is just about the same size as a Magic Keyboard.

00:33:17 ◼   ► And I was right.

00:33:17 ◼   ► Satechi, they make a keyboard called the Slim X1,

00:33:21 ◼   ► which is a very similar footprint, asterisk,

00:33:25 ◼   ► which I'll get back to in 10 seconds,

00:33:27 ◼   ► to the Magic Keyboard.

00:33:29 ◼   ► And it supports multiple devices

00:33:30 ◼   ► and it's properly backlit.

00:33:33 ◼   ► Now, when I say it's almost the same footprint,

00:33:36 ◼   ► it was almost the same footprint.

00:33:40 ◼   ► So long story short, I modded the Magic Bridge.

00:33:45 ◼   ► - Oh no.

00:33:46 ◼   ► - I had to cut some parts and I sanded it down.

00:33:50 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:33:52 ◼   ► And it works.

00:33:56 ◼   ► Now I have a modded Magic Bridge

00:33:58 ◼   ► that I personally sanded down

00:34:02 ◼   ► and it holds the Slim X1 and the Magic Trackpad together.

00:34:07 ◼   ► And it's, I actually, I think I did a pretty nice job.

00:34:12 ◼   ► I smoothed out the corners and I had to use a knife

00:34:17 ◼   ► to cut a bigger hole for the Satechi power button.

00:34:21 ◼   ► But it's perfect now.

00:34:25 ◼   ► I hate the Magic Trackpad though.

00:34:28 ◼   ► I hate the fact that, I don't know if it's because

00:34:31 ◼   ► Apple has patents on multi-touch trackpads,

00:34:35 ◼   ► I don't know what it is.

00:34:36 ◼   ► I hate the fact that there are no Windows equivalents.

00:34:40 ◼   ► Like there are no third party trackpads, essentially.

00:34:46 ◼   ► Like the Apple Magic Trackpad is the only accessory

00:34:50 ◼   ► that exists in its category.

00:34:52 ◼   ► And I hate that this is our reality.

00:34:55 ◼   ► I still have to use it because I cannot come up

00:34:58 ◼   ► with anything else that supports,

00:35:01 ◼   ► that is not a mouse, right?

00:35:05 ◼   ► Because I don't have the space on my lap

00:35:09 ◼   ► for a mouse at night.

00:35:11 ◼   ► I don't have the surface to put it on.

00:35:15 ◼   ► I gotta use a trackpad.

00:35:16 ◼   ► I gotta use the Apple Magic Trackpad.

00:35:18 ◼   ► I hate the fact that it doesn't support multiple devices.

00:35:21 ◼   ► I hate the fact that it charges via lightning

00:35:24 ◼   ► and I still have to use it.

00:35:26 ◼   ► So that's my answer.

00:35:29 ◼   ► - So you don't hate the product,

00:35:30 ◼   ► you hate the strategy around the product?

00:35:33 ◼   ► - The product, yes, I guess.

00:35:37 ◼   ► That would be a good way to frame it.

00:35:39 ◼   ► The product itself is very good.

00:35:42 ◼   ► The multi-touch gestures are very good

00:35:44 ◼   ► and it is arguably the best external input device

00:35:49 ◼   ► for iPadOS.

00:35:51 ◼   ► But I mean, the lens, I had to go to make this happen.

00:35:56 ◼   ► - I'm just glad you didn't have to sand down your trackpad.

00:35:59 ◼   ► - I hate this product because of the weird things

00:36:02 ◼   ► I've wanted to do.

00:36:04 ◼   ► That is a very interesting framing on this.

00:36:08 ◼   ► I hate the Magic Trackpad because when I'm in bed at night

00:36:11 ◼   ► using my X-Real AR glasses,

00:36:14 ◼   ► I need to use lightning.

00:36:18 ◼   ► - One day, one day, one day you will tell me,

00:36:21 ◼   ► T-Chi, you were right about consuming content.

00:36:25 ◼   ► We are glasses, today is not that day.

00:36:28 ◼   ► - Federico, Federico, I'm not accepting that.

00:36:30 ◼   ► I'm not accepting that because you use the X-Real glasses

00:36:34 ◼   ► that now you're like a prophet of everyone

00:36:37 ◼   ► should use glasses for their content.

00:36:38 ◼   ► - I am a digital prophet.

00:36:40 ◼   ► This is a thing from a long time ago,

00:36:42 ◼   ► like the idea of glasses for content.

00:36:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I do it in a special way.

00:36:47 ◼   ► - You sure do.

00:36:48 ◼   ► No one's gonna argue that.

00:36:50 ◼   ► - Oh, Mary's here.

00:36:52 ◼   ► - Hi, Mary.

00:36:52 ◼   ► - Hello, you have to come talk in the microphone.

00:36:55 ◼   ► - Hey guys.

00:36:56 ◼   ► - Does Mary know that that's in the podcast?

00:36:57 ◼   ► - She's taking the last calendars to the post office.

00:37:00 ◼   ► - I am gonna do that.

00:37:01 ◼   ► - Enjoy the post office.

00:37:03 ◼   ► - Mike says, enjoy the post office.

00:37:05 ◼   ► Do you have any headphone takes

00:37:06 ◼   ► to share with the audience this week?

00:37:07 ◼   ► - I was just about to ask,

00:37:08 ◼   ► are there any new headphones coming out?

00:37:11 ◼   ► - We'll see.

00:37:12 ◼   ► - She's ready, at a moment's notice.

00:37:13 ◼   ► - Keep me posted.

00:37:13 ◼   ► - We'll get to you on the show next time.

00:37:14 ◼   ► There's some new beats.

00:37:15 ◼   ► - Official beats correspondent, Mary Hackett.

00:37:18 ◼   ► - The other night, Mary came in.

00:37:20 ◼   ► She's just dragging calendars across the floor.

00:37:25 ◼   ► She came in from the garage and she said,

00:37:29 ◼   ► "Oh no, I've lost one of my earbuds."

00:37:30 ◼   ► It was on my iPad case and I carried it in from the garage.

00:37:33 ◼   ► And when I say it was raining outside, it was like a flood.

00:37:37 ◼   ► It was raining so hard.

00:37:39 ◼   ► If you dropped your earbud in the walkway,

00:37:41 ◼   ► it's dead forever, right?

00:37:43 ◼   ► This is the problem Adina has,

00:37:45 ◼   ► just leaving AirPods laying around.

00:37:46 ◼   ► I don't know what it is with these people.

00:37:48 ◼   ► You gotta put it in the case when you're not using it.

00:37:50 ◼   ► - I was outside, the case was inside.

00:37:52 ◼   ► I only kept one in.

00:37:53 ◼   ► - Take the case with you.

00:37:54 ◼   ► - But I can hear you if you need me.

00:37:56 ◼   ► - This is a real-time follow-up that you're getting.

00:38:00 ◼   ► - It's actually happening.

00:38:01 ◼   ► It's like in stereo.

00:38:02 ◼   ► This is like stereo follow-up.

00:38:03 ◼   ► - The follow-up is happening.

00:38:04 ◼   ► The follow-up is coming from inside the house.

00:38:06 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:08 ◼   ► - Okay, next question comes from Ryan who says,

00:38:12 ◼   ► "Why did you choose to rebrand the show

00:38:14 ◼   ► from the prompt to connected when you started Relay?"

00:38:16 ◼   ► - I don't know, because then Benjamin was gonna sue you.

00:38:19 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:21 ◼   ► - Okay, do you wanna go to the next question?

00:38:23 ◼   ► Just leave it there.

00:38:24 ◼   ► We got to the next question.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Federico, short question.

00:38:26 ◼   ► - James wants to know,

00:38:28 ◼   ► "What is your current setup for music listening?"

00:38:31 ◼   ► Oh boy.

00:38:32 ◼   ► Mike, you go first.

00:38:33 ◼   ► - So when I'm at the studio, I have just one HomePod mini.

00:38:36 ◼   ► I have my two HomePods, but they're for the TV,

00:38:39 ◼   ► and so I just leave them to do that.

00:38:40 ◼   ► So I have them plugged into my TV.

00:38:42 ◼   ► But really when I'm listening to music at the studio,

00:38:45 ◼   ► I'm only ever doing it when I'm sitting at the desk

00:38:47 ◼   ► where I'm like doing my work for the day,

00:38:49 ◼   ► and a HomePod mini on that desk more than suffices,

00:38:52 ◼   ► 'cause then I also don't wanna be a pest

00:38:54 ◼   ► and have music too loud.

00:38:56 ◼   ► At home, all Sonos, every room, all over the place.

00:38:59 ◼   ► Sonos, Central, over there.

00:39:00 ◼   ► - Did you see that they're gonna do headphones next year?

00:39:03 ◼   ► - I did see that, and I'm intrigued.

00:39:07 ◼   ► I don't think- - I'm actually intrigued too.

00:39:09 ◼   ► I am.

00:39:09 ◼   ► - I don't think it would be for me,

00:39:12 ◼   ► but I also know how good that company is

00:39:15 ◼   ► at making products, so I wouldn't rule it out.

00:39:17 ◼   ► Like, I think it could be, I'm very interested.

00:39:21 ◼   ► - Does Sonos support regular AirPlay?

00:39:23 ◼   ► - Yes. - Yeah.

00:39:25 ◼   ► - And Bluetooth.

00:39:26 ◼   ► - If they had like AirPlay headphones,

00:39:28 ◼   ► they'd be pretty- - No, they would just

00:39:29 ◼   ► do Bluetooth. - Pretty sweet.

00:39:29 ◼   ► - They would just do Bluetooth.

00:39:31 ◼   ► You don't need to do AirPlay.

00:39:32 ◼   ► I mean, yeah, they could do AirPlay,

00:39:34 ◼   ► but they would just do Bluetooth, surely.

00:39:35 ◼   ► - So Sonos is gonna have headphones out

00:39:39 ◼   ► before the AirPods Max get a revision.

00:39:42 ◼   ► - That is very possible.

00:39:43 ◼   ► - I think it is, yeah.

00:39:44 ◼   ► - That is very possible.

00:39:45 ◼   ► I was feeling the lightning hate

00:39:48 ◼   ► that you had last night, Federico,

00:39:49 ◼   ► when I got my AirPods Max out to charge

00:39:51 ◼   ► for going on the plane, and I was like,

00:39:53 ◼   ► "Oh, now I need to find a lightning cable."

00:39:55 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:39:56 ◼   ► - That was good times.

00:39:57 ◼   ► - I really dislike that I gotta keep

00:39:59 ◼   ► one of these stupid cables around,

00:40:01 ◼   ► because they're still accessories that use them, yeah.

00:40:04 ◼   ► - We still have them around,

00:40:05 ◼   ► because Adina needs to charge her AirPods.

00:40:07 ◼   ► She has three pairs of AirPods Pro.

00:40:10 ◼   ► I don't even know if I need to get into that.

00:40:13 ◼   ► And so we're not gonna replace hers.

00:40:17 ◼   ► We're not buying three pairs of AirPods Pro 2

00:40:19 ◼   ► to replace the AirPods Pro.

00:40:20 ◼   ► So she's gonna have to keep using those

00:40:22 ◼   ► for a while, I think.

00:40:24 ◼   ► - My simple answer is that

00:40:27 ◼   ► I have a HomePod mini with a portable--

00:40:29 ◼   ► - Simple answer.

00:40:31 ◼   ► - So I have a HomePod mini with a portable

00:40:33 ◼   ► charging base that we spoke about a few episodes ago.

00:40:38 ◼   ► I have AirPods Pro,

00:40:40 ◼   ► and I recently,

00:40:44 ◼   ► no, actually it was like a couple of months ago,

00:40:47 ◼   ► been using them and I really enjoy them.

00:40:49 ◼   ► I have the Bose QuietComfort Ultra wireless headphones.

00:40:55 ◼   ► Again, I didn't wanna use AirPods Max anymore.

00:40:57 ◼   ► I've been trying to get rid of lightning

00:41:00 ◼   ► everywhere in my life.

00:41:01 ◼   ► And so I really enjoy and I recommend the QuietComfort Ultra.

00:41:06 ◼   ► I tried the Sony XM5 first and I returned them.

00:41:11 ◼   ► Wasn't particularly a fan of the design and the sound.

00:41:16 ◼   ► The Bose ones, this came out this summer,

00:41:19 ◼   ► I believe they're excellent.

00:41:20 ◼   ► I really, really love them.

00:41:22 ◼   ► And they support pairing to two devices.

00:41:25 ◼   ► That's my, the simple answer.

00:41:27 ◼   ► Just a HomePod mini, AirPods Pro for something super compact

00:41:30 ◼   ► or wireless headphones if I wanna have something more

00:41:34 ◼   ► with noise cancellation.

00:41:36 ◼   ► The more complicated answer is that I have my whole setup

00:41:39 ◼   ► over here and I have a DAC,

00:41:44 ◼   ► which is the Matrix Audio X Saber 3.

00:41:47 ◼   ► I have a headphone amplifier called the Wells Audio Milo,

00:41:52 ◼   ► made in the US.

00:41:54 ◼   ► I imported this thing years ago and I love it.

00:41:58 ◼   ► And my go-to headphones are the Abyss,

00:42:02 ◼   ► the Diana Abyss and the, my favorite arguably

00:42:09 ◼   ► are the iFi Man SOSVARA.

00:42:12 ◼   ► These are audiophile headphones.

00:42:16 ◼   ► I have my whole setup with Roon running on my Mac mini server

00:42:20 ◼   ► with my personal music library.

00:42:22 ◼   ► That's for, and I have my comfortable chair here

00:42:25 ◼   ► in the office where I can just sit down,

00:42:27 ◼   ► listen to music and all of that.

00:42:29 ◼   ► But most on a daily basis, most of my music consumption

00:42:34 ◼   ► is iPhone, AirPods or the Bose headphones.

00:42:39 ◼   ► - So for me, if I'm in the office,

00:42:40 ◼   ► it's just the studio display and AirPods Pro for on the go.

00:42:45 ◼   ► And then, you know, HomePod mini

00:42:48 ◼   ► scattered throughout the house.

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00:44:55 ◼   ► All right, Patrick asks, if you could choose one company

00:44:59 ◼   ► to be acquired by Apple, what company would you pick?

00:45:03 ◼   ► - Dropbox, because I want it to be good again.

00:45:06 ◼   ► And between Dropbox and Apple, they're both making it bad.

00:45:09 ◼   ► So let's take Dropbox, make it good again.

00:45:13 ◼   ► - Let's make Dropbox great again.

00:45:16 ◼   ► And Apple's the one to do it.

00:45:18 ◼   ► - Enough.

00:45:18 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:45:19 ◼   ► Someone had to stop me.

00:45:21 ◼   ► - Belkin, so Apple can finally make accessories

00:45:24 ◼   ► that make sense.

00:45:25 ◼   ► - Belkin's a good one.

00:45:27 ◼   ► - That would be really good.

00:45:28 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with both of y'all.

00:45:30 ◼   ► I think Dropbox and Belkin are both really good answers.

00:45:33 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:45:34 ◼   ► - I think that's good.

00:45:34 ◼   ► - I could hear the stalling when you were saying

00:45:36 ◼   ► how good Federico's were.

00:45:37 ◼   ► I wasn't expecting you to just straight up bail

00:45:39 ◼   ► on the question, but.

00:45:41 ◼   ► - I don't know, I mean.

00:45:42 ◼   ► - Appreciate the attempt.

00:45:43 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:45:45 ◼   ► Those are both really good.

00:45:46 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:45:47 ◼   ► - You're so kind.

00:45:48 ◼   ► - We appreciate it.

00:45:50 ◼   ► - What has come out of connected or the prompt

00:45:53 ◼   ► that you are the most proud of?

00:45:55 ◼   ► - The fact that we never got sued by anybody.

00:45:57 ◼   ► I'm keeping with that theme, yeah.

00:45:59 ◼   ► No, actually I have a serious one.

00:46:02 ◼   ► I was really proud when our work was on stage at WWDC

00:46:07 ◼   ► with Tim Cook in front of it.

00:46:09 ◼   ► - Great answer, such a good answer.

00:46:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's kind of unbeatable, right?

00:46:14 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:46:15 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:46:16 ◼   ► - That was pretty good.

00:46:20 ◼   ► - Friend of the show, Tim Cook for the day, you know?

00:46:22 ◼   ► I always enjoy our live shows.

00:46:25 ◼   ► 2019 live show was fantastic

00:46:27 ◼   ► and it changed the course of the show forever.

00:46:30 ◼   ► - Was it the one with the tattoo?

00:46:32 ◼   ► - The one with the tattoo.

00:46:33 ◼   ► And it was ridiculous, probably unlistenable,

00:46:37 ◼   ► but I had the greatest time.

00:46:39 ◼   ► And I think we unlocked a new form for the show

00:46:44 ◼   ► because of that live show.

00:46:45 ◼   ► So it made me very happy.

00:46:48 ◼   ► - We did something, something happened in that show.

00:46:50 ◼   ► - We did a thing, we did a thing.

00:46:52 ◼   ► - I think for me, it's the ability and opportunities

00:46:55 ◼   ► we've had to talk to Apple or record at Apple after events

00:47:00 ◼   ► and being invited as press to WWDC

00:47:05 ◼   ► and the iPhone event this year, that's a big deal.

00:47:09 ◼   ► And I know we all do things beyond Connected,

00:47:11 ◼   ► but Connected itself has been part

00:47:14 ◼   ► of all those conversations.

00:47:15 ◼   ► And that's something I'm really proud of.

00:47:18 ◼   ► - We've had a lot of opportunities unique to this show.

00:47:22 ◼   ► - Okay, so next question got ready

00:47:23 ◼   ► because this is a complex one.

00:47:26 ◼   ► Zach wants to know, if you could add or change a rule

00:47:30 ◼   ► for the Ricky's or Flex's

00:47:33 ◼   ► without needing to consult your other co-hosts,

00:47:37 ◼   ► what would you change?

00:47:39 ◼   ► - I have a serious answer.

00:47:40 ◼   ► - Okay, that's serious.

00:47:41 ◼   ► - And I think it's something worth considering

00:47:44 ◼   ► for some point.

00:47:45 ◼   ► I would like to change the risky pick rules

00:47:49 ◼   ► so we could actually score points during that round.

00:47:52 ◼   ► - I agree.

00:47:53 ◼   ► - Ryan later pointed out that the last points scored

00:47:57 ◼   ► from a risky pick was in November, 2020.

00:47:59 ◼   ► So it's been three years since somebody scored a point.

00:48:03 ◼   ► So I think that this could maybe be something

00:48:06 ◼   ► that we consider at some point

00:48:07 ◼   ► in the not too distant future,

00:48:09 ◼   ► that we change things up when it comes to what's risky.

00:48:14 ◼   ► - I have something in mind here.

00:48:16 ◼   ► And I think we could potentially more nicely balance

00:48:21 ◼   ► the risky picks.

00:48:24 ◼   ► If we relax the rules a little around,

00:48:29 ◼   ► a pick needs to basically be totally new

00:48:34 ◼   ► and cannot be present at all on any rumor blogs.

00:48:39 ◼   ► And I feel like there's potentially something we can do

00:48:42 ◼   ► in terms of, because going into Apple events,

00:48:46 ◼   ► there's always something that has been rumored, right?

00:48:50 ◼   ► But that not even 9to5Mac or Gurman are sure about it.

00:48:55 ◼   ► I think we could make a decision and judge the pick

00:49:02 ◼   ► and say, "Okay, is this risky enough?"

00:49:04 ◼   ► If everybody is saying,

00:49:05 ◼   ► "Look, there's gonna be a MacBook Pro at the next event."

00:49:09 ◼   ► And it's pretty much a given, then okay, that's not risky.

00:49:14 ◼   ► But usually, like this always happens,

00:49:17 ◼   ► there's these new leakers and these like sources

00:49:22 ◼   ► that you don't hear often,

00:49:24 ◼   ► and they get picked up by 9to5Mac or MacRumors.

00:49:28 ◼   ► And they say, "Well, according to this person,

00:49:30 ◼   ► but they don't exactly have an established track record."

00:49:34 ◼   ► Now, technically speaking,

00:49:35 ◼   ► right now with the current rules of the risky picks,

00:49:39 ◼   ► we cannot use those rumors

00:49:42 ◼   ► because technically they have been rumored,

00:49:44 ◼   ► even though they are risky because they come from a source

00:49:48 ◼   ► with an unproven track record.

00:49:50 ◼   ► So I think there's probably something we can do there.

00:49:53 ◼   ► - 'Cause we are effectively making things up at this point.

00:49:56 ◼   ► - You mean, are you insinuating

00:49:59 ◼   ► that I did not have an inside source about the DAC?

00:50:02 ◼   ► Is that what you're saying?

00:50:03 ◼   ► - Yes, that is 100% what I'm saying.

00:50:07 ◼   ► Federico, I like this.

00:50:08 ◼   ► I think it's going to cause a lot more arguments.

00:50:13 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:50:14 ◼   ► - But I would be down for it.

00:50:16 ◼   ► - But also hopefully points.

00:50:18 ◼   ► - Yes, and I think one of the key things will be that

00:50:21 ◼   ► we will need to provide more detail

00:50:25 ◼   ► for these picks than the others.

00:50:27 ◼   ► And I think it will be down to the details.

00:50:29 ◼   ► Well, we will be in January doing the annual picks.

00:50:34 ◼   ► So I think we should maybe, or Steven,

00:50:37 ◼   ► if you would make a note

00:50:38 ◼   ► and we can table this for discussion,

00:50:40 ◼   ► I would ratify this rule change personally,

00:50:44 ◼   ► 'cause I think we should do it.

00:50:45 ◼   ► Because we basically have a whole round

00:50:47 ◼   ► that nobody can ever score points in.

00:50:49 ◼   ► And so like, what's the point of the points?

00:50:53 ◼   ► - That's a good one.

00:50:53 ◼   ► That's what came to mind for me too.

00:50:55 ◼   ► And I saw you had written in the document.

00:50:56 ◼   ► I was like, yep, that's the one.

00:50:58 ◼   ► I did not realize it had been three years

00:51:00 ◼   ► since someone got a risky though.

00:51:02 ◼   ► That's wild.

00:51:03 ◼   ► - So it's time for a change.

00:51:04 ◼   ► - Kate asks, so that OpenAI stuff, huh?

00:51:08 ◼   ► We're not talking about OpenAI today.

00:51:10 ◼   ► - No.

00:51:11 ◼   ► - I do have a hot take though.

00:51:13 ◼   ► - Please go on.

00:51:14 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:51:15 ◼   ► I would vastly prefer if OpenAI

00:51:20 ◼   ► had been absorbed into Microsoft.

00:51:22 ◼   ► I feel like this technology is safer in the hands

00:51:25 ◼   ► of a big company with more eyes on it

00:51:28 ◼   ► than a company that's clearly unstable.

00:51:30 ◼   ► The new board is all dudes, which is not good and is small.

00:51:34 ◼   ► I think more eyes and more people working on this is better.

00:51:38 ◼   ► And I wish that Microsoft had absorbed it.

00:51:41 ◼   ► - Did Microsoft get their seat on the board?

00:51:43 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:51:44 ◼   ► - I know they were asking for one.

00:51:45 ◼   ► - It's wild to me they didn't have one before.

00:51:48 ◼   ► Like what happened there?

00:51:49 ◼   ► - It's the whole nonprofit thing.

00:51:51 ◼   ► I agree with you, but I do feel like this whole thing

00:51:54 ◼   ► has just meant Microsoft will have a much firmer grip

00:51:56 ◼   ► over OpenAI than they did before.

00:51:58 ◼   ► I don't think they're gonna keep allow,

00:52:01 ◼   ► they're gonna allow for a situation like this

00:52:03 ◼   ► to happen again because this tank, their stock,

00:52:07 ◼   ► it was not even, right?

00:52:08 ◼   ► So yeah, I can see what you're saying.

00:52:10 ◼   ► And I actually think it would have been very interesting

00:52:13 ◼   ► if Microsoft would have taken it,

00:52:14 ◼   ► but I would be very surprised if they did not have much more

00:52:19 ◼   ► power that they could exert over OpenAI now

00:52:21 ◼   ► than they even did before.

00:52:23 ◼   ► - What a wild weekend though.

00:52:24 ◼   ► I mean just.

00:52:25 ◼   ► - Aaron asked, do you think Vision Pro will impact

00:52:28 ◼   ► how you do your work?

00:52:29 ◼   ► - Yes, 100%.

00:52:32 ◼   ► It's the one thing that I know will change

00:52:35 ◼   ► in my work routine next year,

00:52:38 ◼   ► because I have all the right conditions

00:52:41 ◼   ► to make it an ideal accessory for me.

00:52:43 ◼   ► I spend usually all afternoons by myself

00:52:48 ◼   ► since Silve is at work.

00:52:51 ◼   ► And I don't have anybody else but the dogs to judge me

00:52:56 ◼   ► and the dogs, they love me, even if I'm wearing a headset.

00:53:00 ◼   ► - I like how you, that's ideal.

00:53:03 ◼   ► - No, it's like the dogs love me,

00:53:06 ◼   ► even if I'm wearing a headset,

00:53:08 ◼   ► which seems to suggest that there is someone

00:53:10 ◼   ► that maybe doesn't when he's wearing the headset.

00:53:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

00:53:14 ◼   ► - Okay, fair enough.

00:53:15 ◼   ► Just checking, just checking.

00:53:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:53:17 ◼   ► Sometimes when I'm watching,

00:53:20 ◼   ► I'm watching For All Mankind with the glasses,

00:53:23 ◼   ► and sometimes Silve, she wakes up in the middle of the night

00:53:26 ◼   ► and a couple of nights ago, she woke up,

00:53:27 ◼   ► she looked at me, she was like,

00:53:29 ◼   ► and she went back to sleep.

00:53:31 ◼   ► She was like, she had that look.

00:53:35 ◼   ► It was like, this guy.

00:53:37 ◼   ► - It's like you live with a comment section.

00:53:41 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:53:42 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:53:48 ◼   ► - You know, someone's gotta keep you in check.

00:53:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:53:51 ◼   ► - We've quickly failed, so.

00:53:53 ◼   ► - The question, the answer to this question is twofold,

00:53:57 ◼   ► which is like one, yes, whether we like it or not,

00:54:00 ◼   ► but two, like I am genuinely excited about it.

00:54:03 ◼   ► Like I am, I can't wait.

00:54:05 ◼   ► But whether we would want it or not,

00:54:08 ◼   ► like it's going to have to change our work

00:54:10 ◼   ► because this is what we do for a living.

00:54:12 ◼   ► And so we have to just get with the program,

00:54:14 ◼   ► but I'm excited about that program.

00:54:16 ◼   ► - What do you think, Stephen?

00:54:17 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:54:18 ◼   ► - You don't know.

00:54:19 ◼   ► - I'm honestly nervous that it's going to be a product

00:54:22 ◼   ► that's not for me and that's going to be bad for me,

00:54:25 ◼   ► career wise.

00:54:26 ◼   ► - I think that's what I'm saying, right?

00:54:28 ◼   ► Like it kind of doesn't matter.

00:54:30 ◼   ► Like you could make that choice

00:54:31 ◼   ► if you were just a person, right?

00:54:32 ◼   ► But you kind of don't really have a choice, right?

00:54:35 ◼   ► Like at least for the first year or whatever,

00:54:37 ◼   ► you're just going to have to like deal with it,

00:54:39 ◼   ► which isn't nice, but like it's your job, right?

00:54:43 ◼   ► Like people want it from you.

00:54:44 ◼   ► They want the content, they want that Stephen take.

00:54:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, Stephen take is nausea, you know, potentially.

00:54:50 ◼   ► - But there will be a, I mean, okay, excluding that part,

00:54:54 ◼   ► right, like if you're able to physically handle it,

00:54:56 ◼   ► like people will still want a contrarian take on it,

00:54:59 ◼   ► which you'll be able to provide if you're not like into it,

00:55:01 ◼   ► but you're still going to have to like absorb yourself in it

00:55:04 ◼   ► and like do the thing.

00:55:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, time will tell.

00:55:07 ◼   ► - Next question comes from CCRNL.

00:55:11 ◼   ► - external kernel.

00:55:13 ◼   ► - The kernel, I think it's the kernel.

00:55:14 ◼   ► I think it's Colonel Sanders.

00:55:16 ◼   ► And they ask on the most recent episode of analog,

00:55:20 ◼   ► Casey said he was thankful for where his computing life is

00:55:24 ◼   ► these days.

00:55:25 ◼   ► How do you feel about your computing lives

00:55:27 ◼   ► at this point in time?

00:55:28 ◼   ► I don't know, I love mine.

00:55:30 ◼   ► I have the iPad, got my glasses.

00:55:33 ◼   ► I honestly love where I'm at at this point,

00:55:37 ◼   ► except for those accessories that I mentioned

00:55:39 ◼   ► a few minutes ago.

00:55:40 ◼   ► - And maybe iPad hardware.

00:55:42 ◼   ► I mean, it's fine as it is.

00:55:45 ◼   ► It's not like it's bad.

00:55:47 ◼   ► - It's not bad.

00:55:48 ◼   ► It's just, it's kind of boring

00:55:53 ◼   ► because it hasn't changed at all in five years.

00:55:55 ◼   ► But it's not, I mean, it's the big iPad pro

00:56:01 ◼   ► is a pretty good computer.

00:56:03 ◼   ► It's just, it's reliable is what I will say.

00:56:07 ◼   ► It's reliable and sure iPadOS could do more,

00:56:10 ◼   ► but I really do like the combination of what I have right now

00:56:15 ◼   ► between the iPad and the studio display

00:56:17 ◼   ► when I'm at my desk and the glasses

00:56:18 ◼   ► when I want to use the glasses.

00:56:20 ◼   ► And then if you look at, like,

00:56:23 ◼   ► I love that I'm surrounded by portable consoles,

00:56:26 ◼   ► like handhelds.

00:56:28 ◼   ► I love that we're living in a handheld revolution.

00:56:31 ◼   ► And even though it's technically not computing,

00:56:34 ◼   ► I mean, those things are computers.

00:56:36 ◼   ► So yeah, I'm pretty happy, I would say,

00:56:40 ◼   ► but really optimistic for 2024.

00:56:44 ◼   ► That's how I would describe it.

00:56:46 ◼   ► - I'm very happy with my computing is right now.

00:56:48 ◼   ► I have like very good set of devices and I'm very content.

00:56:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, same.

00:56:52 ◼   ► I mean, Apple Silicon has been such an amazing move

00:56:55 ◼   ► on the Mac and the iPhone 15 Pro Max is an incredible phone.

00:57:00 ◼   ► Mike, like you said earlier,

00:57:03 ◼   ► one of the best ones in a long time

00:57:06 ◼   ► and even things like AirPods, right?

00:57:08 ◼   ► Like they're amazing.

00:57:09 ◼   ► And I really have nothing to complain about

00:57:13 ◼   ► computing wise at all.

00:57:14 ◼   ► Ryan asks, what is your favorite album or song

00:57:17 ◼   ► that was released in 2023?

00:57:19 ◼   ► - I would like to recommend an album called Bewitched

00:57:22 ◼   ► by an Icelandic artist called Laufi.

00:57:26 ◼   ► The best way I can describe Laufi's music

00:57:29 ◼   ► is it sounds like they stepped into a time machine

00:57:31 ◼   ► from the 1950s and then just appeared now.

00:57:35 ◼   ► I will recommend a song called From the Start

00:57:38 ◼   ► from this album.

00:57:39 ◼   ► If you listen to that and like it,

00:57:41 ◼   ► you're gonna have a good time.

00:57:42 ◼   ► I don't know if I can pick just one.

00:57:44 ◼   ► I will go with song, Now and Then by The Beatles.

00:57:48 ◼   ► - Oh.

00:57:49 ◼   ► - Just because I love everything about it.

00:57:51 ◼   ► - I have a very Federico take on this song, I think.

00:57:54 ◼   ► - A very Federico take.

00:57:55 ◼   ► - I have not listened to it

00:57:56 ◼   ► because the thought of it makes me too sad.

00:57:58 ◼   ► - Oh no, it's a very good song.

00:58:01 ◼   ► - I'm sure it is, but just there's something about this song

00:58:04 ◼   ► that just the pure idea of the song makes me sad.

00:58:07 ◼   ► And I feel like that's almost something

00:58:08 ◼   ► that I could imagine you saying, so I've yet to hear it.

00:58:11 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:58:12 ◼   ► For album, I am very much torn at the moment.

00:58:18 ◼   ► For now, I will go with Boy Genius, The Record.

00:58:21 ◼   ► It's up there.

00:58:23 ◼   ► If this is not gonna be my favorite album of the year,

00:58:26 ◼   ► it's probably gonna be either,

00:58:28 ◼   ► I'm torn between Boy Genius, the new Blink-182

00:58:31 ◼   ► and the new album by The Main.

00:58:35 ◼   ► So it's probably that I'm gonna go with Boy Genius.

00:58:38 ◼   ► - The new Blink-182 is very good.

00:58:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's really good.

00:58:42 ◼   ► - And just like so heartwarming to see them together

00:58:45 ◼   ► for such a long time.

00:58:46 ◼   ► But 1989 Taylor version is getting a lot of play in my house.

00:58:50 ◼   ► So there's that going on too.

00:58:52 ◼   ► - Obviously.

00:58:53 ◼   ► - You're allowed to like it.

00:58:55 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:58:56 ◼   ► - Shame around here.

00:58:57 ◼   ► - No, it feels like you are-

00:58:58 ◼   ► - I'm holding out for reputation.

00:58:59 ◼   ► - It feels like this album is happening to you?

00:59:02 ◼   ► - It is a little bit.

00:59:03 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:59:04 ◼   ► - But when reputation comes out, I'll be dead.

00:59:08 ◼   ► - This episode of Connected is brought to you by Oracle.

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01:00:23 ◼   ► - Charles asked, if you could have one Apple product

01:00:26 ◼   ► gain water resistance, which would it be?

01:00:28 ◼   ► - AirPods Pro.

01:00:30 ◼   ► - They're not.

01:00:31 ◼   ► - Okay. - Okay.

01:00:32 ◼   ► - Well, they're like sweat proof, right?

01:00:34 ◼   ► Like I think if you dropped them in a bathtub,

01:00:36 ◼   ► they're probably done.

01:00:37 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:00:38 ◼   ► - Or at least it's one of these things where,

01:00:40 ◼   ► 'cause I know people put them through the washing machine.

01:00:42 ◼   ► - All the time.

01:00:43 ◼   ► - I think it's like one of these products,

01:00:44 ◼   ► I know like OTJ did it recently

01:00:46 ◼   ► for like the eighth time, I think.

01:00:47 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

01:00:48 ◼   ► - And he does it a lot. - True story.

01:00:52 ◼   ► - He puts his AirPods in the washing machine a lot.

01:00:55 ◼   ► It's one of these things where like,

01:00:56 ◼   ► maybe you can put it in a bag of rice and it will be okay,

01:00:58 ◼   ► but maybe it won't be, I don't know.

01:00:59 ◼   ► - My Lion USB installer is probably not waterproof.

01:01:02 ◼   ► - That's probably true.

01:01:04 ◼   ► I would choose the iPad mini because when I take a bath,

01:01:08 ◼   ► like Steven, I like to have an iPad mini with me

01:01:11 ◼   ► to watch videos and I'm always worried

01:01:13 ◼   ► that I'm gonna destroy my iPad mini.

01:01:15 ◼   ► In fact, the other day I accidentally sprayed it

01:01:17 ◼   ► with the shower head, so.

01:01:18 ◼   ► - Oh no.

01:01:19 ◼   ► - It was fine.

01:01:20 ◼   ► I was very scared, but it was fine.

01:01:22 ◼   ► - Did you do the thing where you started the tub

01:01:24 ◼   ► and it was still diverted to the shower head?

01:01:26 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:01:27 ◼   ► And the shower head was aiming at the iPad.

01:01:28 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

01:01:29 ◼   ► I always jump, every time I do that,

01:01:31 ◼   ► I like jump back and scream a little bit.

01:01:33 ◼   ► - Oh, okay.

01:01:35 ◼   ► Little scream.

01:01:36 ◼   ► You know, I can imagine you doing that.

01:01:38 ◼   ► - And you're, you know, you're not dressed, right?

01:01:39 ◼   ► So you don't wanna cause a scene, but.

01:01:42 ◼   ► - I will go with just the keyboards in general.

01:01:47 ◼   ► Just, this has never happened to me,

01:01:49 ◼   ► but I always fear the thought of like,

01:01:52 ◼   ► oh, I have this bottle of water next to me,

01:01:54 ◼   ► or this cup of coffee next to me.

01:01:57 ◼   ► What if I, like, and this knock on wood and everything.

01:02:00 ◼   ► It's never happened to me, but like, I hate that thought.

01:02:04 ◼   ► - I have dumped liquid into a laptop and destroyed it.

01:02:07 ◼   ► - Very early on in Relay's life, you killed a laptop.

01:02:10 ◼   ► - No, it was like three weeks before the company launched.

01:02:13 ◼   ► I destroyed my MacBook Pro.

01:02:14 ◼   ► - Three weeks before.

01:02:15 ◼   ► - My name is T once, you know.

01:02:18 ◼   ► - No, it's Federico.

01:02:19 ◼   ► - What?

01:02:21 ◼   ► - It's Federico.

01:02:22 ◼   ► You said my name is T, but your name is Federico.

01:02:26 ◼   ► - Where do you quit a Zoom call?

01:02:28 ◼   ► - If you just, you just command Q, it will get you out.

01:02:33 ◼   ► - How do you think your experience of tech compares

01:02:37 ◼   ► to the experience your audience has?

01:02:40 ◼   ► Do you think you're ever disconnected

01:02:42 ◼   ► from what most people think about tech?

01:02:44 ◼   ► And if so, does it matter?

01:02:46 ◼   ► - I have an answer for this question

01:02:47 ◼   ► I've been thinking a lot about.

01:02:49 ◼   ► I think the answer is yes and no simultaneously.

01:02:53 ◼   ► I think that by and large, we have access

01:02:56 ◼   ► to much more technology than most of the people

01:03:00 ◼   ► in our audience would even bother to have, right?

01:03:04 ◼   ► Either by choice, like most,

01:03:05 ◼   ► 'cause most people don't want to have all of the technology

01:03:08 ◼   ► in their lives that we have,

01:03:09 ◼   ► or we just have the resources to be able to acquire it,

01:03:13 ◼   ► whether financially or borrowed or whatever, right?

01:03:18 ◼   ► But I feel like if I didn't prioritize having access

01:03:23 ◼   ► to technology, my shows about technology would be boring.

01:03:28 ◼   ► Like I think that no matter what people might say

01:03:32 ◼   ► or think, if we did not have the new iPhones every year,

01:03:36 ◼   ► we would not be able to intelligently talk

01:03:38 ◼   ► about what is going on at Apple.

01:03:41 ◼   ► So we're kind of locked in

01:03:44 ◼   ► and I prioritize technology purchases

01:03:48 ◼   ► over other purchases for this reason.

01:03:51 ◼   ► So like there are things where I'm like,

01:03:52 ◼   ► oh, I won't buy this or I won't buy that

01:03:54 ◼   ► because I know I'm gonna have to save up to get this thing.

01:03:57 ◼   ► And so as well, like coming up with weekly content is hard

01:04:02 ◼   ► and having access to new products really helps us do that

01:04:06 ◼   ► and do our jobs.

01:04:08 ◼   ► And I understand that like it means that we are off kilter

01:04:13 ◼   ► with the people that listen to the shows,

01:04:15 ◼   ► but like you can just listen to us and choose

01:04:18 ◼   ► if you want this technology or whatever,

01:04:20 ◼   ► or make your own life choices.

01:04:22 ◼   ► But as technology entertainers or journalists or writers

01:04:25 ◼   ► or whatever you'd like to call us,

01:04:27 ◼   ► we need to use the technology, have the technology

01:04:31 ◼   ► and be able to talk about it.

01:04:33 ◼   ► And if we don't prioritize access to these products,

01:04:37 ◼   ► I don't think we're doing our jobs effectively personally.

01:04:39 ◼   ► So that is my feeling.

01:04:41 ◼   ► - I have an opinion here to build upon what you just said,

01:04:45 ◼   ► which I agree with completely.

01:04:47 ◼   ► And the thing is sometimes I hear people say,

01:04:50 ◼   ► oh, I wanna read.

01:04:52 ◼   ► And I think I've said this before on the show.

01:04:55 ◼   ► Sometimes I see these folks ask for

01:04:59 ◼   ► finally a normal perspective,

01:05:05 ◼   ► like an average person perspective.

01:05:07 ◼   ► And I see these people sometimes clamoring for a blog

01:05:12 ◼   ► or a podcast from regular people.

01:05:14 ◼   ► And see, the thing is, that's the kind of idea

01:05:17 ◼   ► that works on paper.

01:05:19 ◼   ► But I would bet, I would actually bet money on this,

01:05:24 ◼   ► that you wouldn't really want a podcast or a blog

01:05:29 ◼   ► from someone who doesn't do this for a living.

01:05:34 ◼   ► And see, the thing is, what we do,

01:05:37 ◼   ► whether it's categorized as entertainment or information

01:05:42 ◼   ► or a combination of the two,

01:05:43 ◼   ► ultimately people come to us

01:05:45 ◼   ► and we're really grateful that they do.

01:05:47 ◼   ► But I think if you really think about it,

01:05:50 ◼   ► at the end of the day, it's a very transactional thing

01:05:53 ◼   ► where people come to you

01:05:55 ◼   ► because they're either looking for escapism

01:05:57 ◼   ► or they're looking for information.

01:05:59 ◼   ► Or again, a combination of the two, right?

01:06:00 ◼   ► I wanna think about something else.

01:06:02 ◼   ► And in the process, I also get informed

01:06:05 ◼   ► about what's going on.

01:06:06 ◼   ► And so I feel like once you lose that,

01:06:10 ◼   ► once you lose that person who's very different from you

01:06:12 ◼   ► and does this for a living and has all the latest gear

01:06:15 ◼   ► and all the latest devices and is really into Apple,

01:06:18 ◼   ► if you lose that, you ultimately lose the audience

01:06:21 ◼   ► because nobody wants to listen to a podcast by my mom.

01:06:25 ◼   ► And I use my mom, could be my friend, could be my neighbor,

01:06:29 ◼   ► could be just someone does something else in their life.

01:06:33 ◼   ► You will maybe listen to an episode and be like,

01:06:36 ◼   ► oh, this is a really fascinating perspective,

01:06:38 ◼   ► but imagine coming back every single week.

01:06:40 ◼   ► And they're like, yeah, well, I don't know,

01:06:41 ◼   ► I'm still using an iPhone 11.

01:06:43 ◼   ► And I guess now they're doing the action button, who knows?

01:06:46 ◼   ► I don't care.

01:06:47 ◼   ► So yeah, I think we do have, my name is T,

01:06:52 ◼   ► we are disconnected from the rest of the audience

01:06:55 ◼   ► and that's exactly why it works.

01:06:58 ◼   ► I think you all summed it up really nicely.

01:07:00 ◼   ► I mean, I often compare what we do to like sports journalism.

01:07:05 ◼   ► I think there's a lot of parallel there, right?

01:07:08 ◼   ► Where we do, because we've been doing this a long time

01:07:11 ◼   ► and worked really hard at it, we do have access to things

01:07:14 ◼   ► and to people and to conversations that not everyone does.

01:07:18 ◼   ► And it's our job to portray and to share those conversations

01:07:23 ◼   ► and our opinions on things each week, right?

01:07:29 ◼   ► And it is hard each week, but I see this feedback a lot.

01:07:34 ◼   ► I see it a lot with MPU and I do struggle to understand it.

01:07:40 ◼   ► Because if what we were doing is like a journalistic endeavor

01:07:45 ◼   ► and I think it is to a degree, right?

01:07:49 ◼   ► There's always a mismatch there, right?

01:07:51 ◼   ► There's always someone who has the information

01:07:53 ◼   ► or the opinion and sharing it with other people

01:07:57 ◼   ► and that with it comes some level of disconnect.

01:08:01 ◼   ► And I don't think that's bad.

01:08:04 ◼   ► Now I think it's gotta be,

01:08:06 ◼   ► I think we have to pay attention to it.

01:08:07 ◼   ► I think we have to keep tabs on it.

01:08:09 ◼   ► I think if we were, I don't know,

01:08:13 ◼   ► something like flying around on private jets to WWDC

01:08:16 ◼   ► and really disconnected with how normal people are,

01:08:21 ◼   ► that would be a problem, right?

01:08:23 ◼   ► But because we just cover technology, right?

01:08:26 ◼   ► Like the three of us, almost everyone we work with,

01:08:29 ◼   ► like where does the normal people

01:08:30 ◼   ► in the rest of our lives, right?

01:08:31 ◼   ► Like we worry about the same things

01:08:33 ◼   ► everyone else worries about.

01:08:34 ◼   ► We have families, we have partners,

01:08:36 ◼   ► we have aging parents we worry about.

01:08:39 ◼   ► Like the rest of our lives is I think very typical.

01:08:42 ◼   ► It's just in this one area,

01:08:44 ◼   ► we've been fortunate enough to take an interest

01:08:45 ◼   ► and turn it into a career.

01:08:47 ◼   ► And with that comes some weirdness,

01:08:49 ◼   ► but I think in general and overall,

01:08:52 ◼   ► I think we're doing a pretty good job

01:08:55 ◼   ► at staying grounded in that

01:08:56 ◼   ► while also taking advantage of the opportunities we have

01:09:00 ◼   ► to make the best content we can.

01:09:02 ◼   ► - Or the other way to think about it would be,

01:09:04 ◼   ► would you go to a restaurant?

01:09:05 ◼   ► - Go to a restaurant run by someone who sometimes cooks.

01:09:09 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:09:12 ◼   ► - I just want a regular cook.

01:09:13 ◼   ► - I just want, okay, why don't we have restaurants

01:09:16 ◼   ► run by regular people that sometimes eat frozen food

01:09:19 ◼   ► and sometimes they cook?

01:09:20 ◼   ► - There is also like the regular person argument

01:09:24 ◼   ► kind of doesn't, that person doesn't even exist anyway.

01:09:26 ◼   ► 'Cause like inherent in wanting to write a blog

01:09:29 ◼   ► or start a podcast and no longer a regular person,

01:09:32 ◼   ► like they already have an increased interest

01:09:35 ◼   ► in technology, like rather than everybody else.

01:09:40 ◼   ► Man, the cook argument is like perfect.

01:09:44 ◼   ► That is a regular person's kiss, you know?

01:09:48 ◼   ► - AAAA asks, Apple gives Mac detachable touch screens

01:09:55 ◼   ► but kills the iPad.

01:09:57 ◼   ► Are you happy or sad?

01:09:59 ◼   ► 'Cause for you, the iPad's about the software.

01:10:02 ◼   ► - I think I'd be sad.

01:10:03 ◼   ► - And the flexibility of the hardware.

01:10:05 ◼   ► - I think I'd be sad, yeah.

01:10:07 ◼   ► I want iPads more than I want touchscreen Macs.

01:10:10 ◼   ► - It just be sad because it means it was a decade long

01:10:15 ◼   ► experiment that didn't work out.

01:10:17 ◼   ► - Ryan asks, do you regret creating a plan of succession?

01:10:21 ◼   ► - Wait, we have one?

01:10:22 ◼   ► - Triple J.

01:10:23 ◼   ► - Oh, that's not a joke?

01:10:25 ◼   ► - No, I mean, it is a succession plan

01:10:27 ◼   ► but there's no regret because nothing's ever come of it.

01:10:29 ◼   ► Like they're just there in case we have any dumb

01:10:31 ◼   ► and nothing's ever happened, but like--

01:10:32 ◼   ► - I thought it was more like an sort of off the cuff,

01:10:35 ◼   ► like, oh yeah, those guys are our successors.

01:10:38 ◼   ► - Maybe we need to talk about the succession plan again.

01:10:41 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:10:42 ◼   ► - I just read a quote from Tim Cook

01:10:44 ◼   ► who was on Dua Lipa's podcast,

01:10:45 ◼   ► which is just like a sentence that I've just said

01:10:47 ◼   ► that I kind of can't believe I just said.

01:10:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:10:50 ◼   ► - And he was talking about that they have like

01:10:53 ◼   ► very deep succession plans at Apple,

01:10:56 ◼   ► which you'd obviously assume him to say,

01:10:58 ◼   ► but that he has no intent, like no desire,

01:11:03 ◼   ► or like he doesn't want to go anywhere basically.

01:11:05 ◼   ► Like he's all good, he's set and he's happy, so.

01:11:08 ◼   ► - John Ternus is just waiting in the wings then.

01:11:10 ◼   ► - Oh, and he was ready and you know, he's ready.

01:11:13 ◼   ► He can't wait.

01:11:14 ◼   ► - And finally, we have reached the end of this Q&A episode.

01:11:19 ◼   ► Brans wants to know, since Relay began,

01:11:23 ◼   ► what is the longest amount of time

01:11:25 ◼   ► any of you have kept a single Mac for?

01:11:29 ◼   ► - I had my iMac Pro for I think like four years,

01:11:33 ◼   ► that might be it.

01:11:35 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:11:36 ◼   ► - That was a long time, a long time product for me.

01:11:40 ◼   ► - I had my Mac Pro for three, little over three years.

01:11:45 ◼   ► And I would have kept it longer, but it was the,

01:11:48 ◼   ► I need to sell this before it's worth nothing

01:11:51 ◼   ► because this is a business, I do have to pay the bills.

01:11:55 ◼   ► And I didn't have the luxury of letting it depreciate

01:12:00 ◼   ► longer than it did.

01:12:01 ◼   ► - I think mine was either the MacBook Air

01:12:06 ◼   ► that I kept for a very long time from 2013.

01:12:10 ◼   ► I mean, it's up there, it's five years.

01:12:16 ◼   ► I think I had the MacBook Air for five years

01:12:18 ◼   ► and then I had the Mac Mini.

01:12:20 ◼   ► I used the Mac Mini as my main Mac from 2018 to this year,

01:12:25 ◼   ► to 2023, so five years,

01:12:27 ◼   ► until I got a MacBook Air with M2

01:12:30 ◼   ► and the Mac Mini became my home server.

01:12:35 ◼   ► So it's one of those two, usually five years would be the,

01:12:39 ◼   ► I guess, the span of my computers.

01:12:43 ◼   ► - Well, thank you all.

01:12:44 ◼   ► - We have had some cues.

01:12:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, we answered some questions.

01:12:48 ◼   ► We got introspective, I feel just really weird now,

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