00:00:08 ◼ ► Hello and welcome to Connected episode 475. It's made possible by our sponsors, Express,
00:00:15 ◼ ► VPN, and Backblaze. My name is Stephen Hackett and I have the pleasure of being joined by
00:00:34 ◼ ► No, it's just me and you. It's just me and you. Anybody else that's here is an intruder.
00:00:54 ◼ ► It's been a busy week. There's new max out in the world. It's exciting. There's new Logic
00:01:04 ◼ ► We're going to start with follow up. We had some anonymous feedback, someone else dealing
00:01:17 ◼ ► of Federico's bug suggests today for setting a due date on any day as long as I add a time.
00:01:46 ◼ ► When it happens, it is random, but frequent. So it might work correctly today, but stop
00:01:52 ◼ ► working correctly tomorrow. And when it is happening, it happens on all dates. It's very
00:02:07 ◼ ► No. Oh, no, no, I'm using the, the English, US English keyboard. I have three keyboards.
00:03:38 ◼ ► No, there is no argument about this. It doesn't make any sense that the weekend... I've lived
00:03:48 ◼ ► the week would start on Sunday. It doesn't. It starts on Monday. Like, you're in the week
00:03:53 ◼ ► end. Like, Sunday is part of the week end, not the week end start. Like, it's not called
00:04:02 ◼ ► It rests on Sunday, and by definition, it's the week end. Like, when people talk to each
00:04:08 ◼ ► other, they're like, "Hey, what are you doing this weekend?" And they're like, "Oh, Saturday,
00:04:16 ◼ ► No, like, when people say, "What are you doing this weekend?" They don't mean just Saturday.
00:04:43 ◼ ► I mean, I agree with you. Sunday is the last day. It's the seventh day. It's the day of
00:05:08 ◼ ► devices set to American English, Sunday the first day. The fitness app does not respect
00:05:27 ◼ ► This is talking about, this was written by Suzy over at Macworld back in 2016, and they're
00:05:44 ◼ ► iMac and was going to put the new beta build of OS X on it. This is what the article says.
00:05:52 ◼ ► When Q ran into a problem installing a new build of OS X on that iMac, in fact, he could
00:06:03 ◼ ► That the bug might be hard to reproduce. Plus, he was scheduled to take a trip the very next
00:06:08 ◼ ► day. I called Craig up, said, "Have your guys look at this. I think it would be hard to
00:06:13 ◼ ► recreate." He said, "Sure." So I put the iMac in my car and drove it over to Federighi's
00:06:19 ◼ ► house. Q went on his business trip. Federighi's team fixed the problem, and Q got his iMac
00:06:25 ◼ ► back when he returned. Kind of like a Genius Bar for the C-suite. So good. This happened
00:06:32 ◼ ► on an episode of the talk show back in 2016. But Suzy had it transcribed. Very good. You
00:06:39 ◼ ► know, maybe Federighi can fix it again because Gherman is reporting that Apple took a break
00:07:20 ◼ ► Because I want to address a piece of feedback that we've already gotten in the Discord,
00:07:28 ◼ ► know how long ago, which is Zach said, "Bookends. You have one at either side." That's a great
00:07:54 ◼ ► We only put bookends on each side of a book because otherwise they would fall over. Monday
00:08:18 ◼ ► that's all it is. We don't have to take that and put it onto the word weekend just because
00:08:24 ◼ ► it has end in it. We can't just be like, "Oh, well that makes sense." No, that doesn't make
00:08:30 ◼ ► sense. And if your argument is Sunday and Saturday are on either side of the week because
00:08:36 ◼ ► of bookends, I really need you to take a long look inside at the mirror. Really think about
00:08:41 ◼ ► that as an excuse for something. That doesn't make any sense. You can say for a million
00:08:47 ◼ ► reasons for why Sunday is the first day of the week, but just because bookends? No, that's
00:08:53 ◼ ► not the reason. So Monday is the first day of the week, Saturday and Sunday are the last
00:08:57 ◼ ► two days of the week, the week end. I don't even remember why this came up, but important.
00:09:08 ◼ ► Fahrenheit is just too complicated. It just doesn't make any sense. It feels completely
00:09:45 ◼ ► can say anything at this point. And so people are so enraged that they can't even hear it.
00:10:09 ◼ ► time degrades the battery. So there's a link in the show notes. Apple has this really comprehensive
00:10:13 ◼ ► batteries like section of pages on its website, apple.com/batteries. And there's a section
00:10:20 ◼ ► here about maximizing battery life and lifespan. There's some tips for iPods on here. So maybe
00:10:29 ◼ ► they could update this a little bit. But no, it has never been more important to effectively
00:10:39 ◼ ► That's true. Actually, that's a really good point. And what it boils down to is turning
00:11:05 ◼ ► wake up at three o'clock in the morning unexpectedly, your phone may only be at 80% is going to
00:11:10 ◼ ► do the last 20% right before your alarm, your alarm goes off. On a Mac that's always plugged
00:11:15 ◼ ► in, it will it will actually like run down the battery in the background to 80% and hold
00:11:22 ◼ ► it there if it needs to. It has a lot of tools to do this. And for years, Apple has also
00:11:26 ◼ ► had a technology in its notebooks, where once the battery is fully charged, it doesn't keep
00:11:32 ◼ ► putting power into it, which is also bad for batteries. So the system is basically going
00:11:45 ◼ ► everything else, I still use it as a notebook pretty often, right? I'll eject the drives
00:11:51 ◼ ► and unplug it and use it in the house or take it somewhere. And so it does get some cycles.
00:11:55 ◼ ► In fact, since buying my M2 Pro MacBook Pro, I've got 59 cycles on it, which is not a ton
00:12:13 ◼ ► it's something to stay up at night about over anymore. It used to be it used to be a big
00:12:18 ◼ ► problem. But over the years, Apple has really addressed it in a bunch of different ways.
00:12:23 ◼ ► I have two things in this one, something I've feel like I've found anyway, because I do
00:12:32 ◼ ► open your laptop when it's not plugged in and be like, Oh, it's dead or all the batteries
00:12:36 ◼ ► really low. And I think that that is a symptom of this because like, it being plugged in
00:12:41 ◼ ► doesn't mean it's always charging. And I think sometimes you've unplugged your laptop, you
00:12:49 ◼ ► only at like 30% battery life or something like that is what I think is going on because
00:12:53 ◼ ► it seems pretty random to me. Like I'll be at home on the weekend and I'll open my laptop
00:12:59 ◼ ► and sometimes it's okay. And sometimes it's dead. The other thing is in 2023, we should
00:13:11 ◼ ► doing that. Like computers should have worked this one out because you know, what's never
00:13:19 ◼ ► mean? Just like, come on, come on. Especially in the days of APFS, like it should be okay.
00:13:24 ◼ ► We shouldn't have to be ejecting drives anymore. Federico, do you eject drives frequently?
00:13:34 ◼ ► do it on Windows because I think you're supposed to do it on Windows. Sometimes I forget and
00:13:40 ◼ ► I always feel bad about it. Like, Oh no, everything's going to break now and it never happened. So
00:14:00 ◼ ► really like just getting to the truth of it all today. Yeah. It's good. This is your final
00:14:06 ◼ ► call for the Relay FM holiday t-shirt. It looks awesome. It's done in the style of like
00:14:13 ◼ ► an ugly holiday sweater. It's got snowflakes and iPods and RSS icons. It's really cool.
00:14:21 ◼ ► You can get in a t-shirt or a sweatshirt or a tank top again, if it's hot where you are
00:14:25 ◼ ► in the holidays. This sale ends on the 13th. So this is the last warning you get on connected.
00:14:33 ◼ ► Go go check it out. It's I've got one. I'm really happy with it. I ordered another one.
00:14:37 ◼ ► I recommend the two greens. I think the greens are really nice, but you can also do blue
00:14:42 ◼ ► or brown or black. Go go check it out. What color did you order Mike? Oh, green. I only
00:14:48 ◼ ► went sweatshirt though. Like to me, this is like this is a sweatshirt product. So I went
00:14:52 ◼ ► with the forest green sweatshirt. Yes. Yes. To me it's like ugly sweater, you know? Yeah.
00:15:02 ◼ ► kind of ironically maybe. I wouldn't do that, but I'm not going to stop you from doing it.
00:15:12 ◼ ► you know, whenever that is Wednesday, Wednesday, uh, actually gray does that. Doesn't he weekend
00:15:18 ◼ ► Wednesday? Yeah. He made a whole video about it. I have a question for the audience. Mostly
00:15:23 ◼ ► I think this might be one of these crowdsourced things. I'm looking for a budgeting app, but
00:15:29 ◼ ► I want something simple. What I'm hoping exists, right? Cause I've started looking for these
00:15:34 ◼ ► things and they're all so complicated. They want my bank account, login information. Uh,
00:15:39 ◼ ► they want everything about my life and they're really complicated systems. I'm convinced
00:15:59 ◼ ► me your budgeting app if you use one and go to connectedfeedback.com and send it in there
00:16:06 ◼ ► and I can take a look at them and I'll appreciate it. Yeah. Let us know. Or maybe you develop
00:16:10 ◼ ► one. One, two, three budget application. One, two, three money. One, two, three money. Yeah.
00:16:22 ◼ ► you can send in your suggestions for things that you like and use please. And I appreciate
00:16:27 ◼ ► it. This week, Apple updated logic pro and final cut pro. There's also a final cut event
00:16:33 ◼ ► on Apple's campus, which some of our friends got to go to seemed really cool. The logic
00:16:37 ◼ ► stuff is interesting. I think the biggest thing is a new set of tools for, uh, mastering.
00:17:09 ◼ ► final cut pro, some nice changes, especially for Apple, Silicon max, uh, even faster exports.
00:17:16 ◼ ► And there are some new tools for organizing, uh, your timeline. And some of these changes
00:17:26 ◼ ► here is I'm glad that the iPad versions are getting updates, uh, cause I don't know how
00:17:31 ◼ ► popular they are, but I'm glad that they are getting updates in step, you know, to a degree
00:17:37 ◼ ► with the Mac versions. That is encouraging to me. My favorite feature from the new final
00:17:42 ◼ ► cut stuff, like just because it's like a thing I can understand and a thing that I've often
00:17:46 ◼ ► wondered why it doesn't do. Um, now when you're playing back a video, the timeline will be
00:17:57 ◼ ► which is why I'm always surprised when final cut doesn't. And so they are now doing that.
00:18:04 ◼ ► So as you're watching a video, the timeline will move along and keep like at speed with
00:18:17 ◼ ► playing. And when it gets to the end of it, the timeline will move over. Yeah. It's, it's
00:18:21 ◼ ► an ice and logic. If you're listening to something in the background and then you hear something
00:18:36 ◼ ► now I was sort of disappointed to see, but also not really surprised to see that there's
00:18:48 ◼ ► and I'm disappointed, but not surprised given that this is like a major sort of omission
00:18:52 ◼ ► from the system. And so whenever that feature will come, if it will ever come, I'm sure
00:18:57 ◼ ► it will depend on some like system level addition to iPadOS, but still every time there's like
00:19:13 ◼ ► to record multiple inputs at the same time. And so, yeah, that's always kind of disappointing,
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00:21:22 ◼ ► gave while two reviewers as part of the iMac review, we'll touch on the iMac and MacBook
00:21:30 ◼ ► Pro reviews in a bit but it's kind of a lot of what you already know. But I think maybe
00:21:49 ◼ ► the presentation but now have had to double down on it. But even now there's still like
00:21:55 ◼ ► tin foil hat, right? Like, oh a 27 inch? Who knows? I mean. But I know what I feel. I feel
00:22:06 ◼ ► idea of a bigger iMac is like dead for now. I think so. And like it's not that they have
00:22:12 ◼ ► a secret 30 inch that they're getting ready to do and they're gonna like trick us. There've
00:22:17 ◼ ► been rumors that Apple was playing with the idea and I believe that. Like two things can
00:22:40 ◼ ► this week outlining like the iMac's progression from consumer desktop to like professional
00:22:53 ◼ ► kind of stinks if you like using a big iMac. And you know I used a 5k iMac for years. I
00:22:58 ◼ ► used an iMac Pro for years. I love the form factor but I understand where Apple's coming
00:23:04 ◼ ► from and I think it's clear that the way forward, at least for now, is in Apple's mind a studio
00:23:13 ◼ ► display and some combination of MacBook Pro, Mac Mini, Mac Studio, Mac Pro. Like kind of
00:23:26 ◼ ► that the display could serve you across multiple computers. Mine's already done it. I had a
00:23:48 ◼ ► that screen's incredible, that computer was incredible but they're married together forever
00:23:54 ◼ ► and I really like what he said in his review about target display mode. That could be an
00:24:03 ◼ ► we're kind of in this place but I'm glad Apple came out and said it. They've been hinting
00:24:08 ◼ ► at it for a long time. You mentioned John Turness, he said it's about the 24 inch. It's
00:24:24 ◼ ► introduced. Apple's been building this case for a while but clearly they thought we just
00:24:34 ◼ ► happy to know it. I'm not sad about it or whatever. It's just like this is good information
00:24:47 ◼ ► I had it but I don't want it or need it now. Yeah I think overall people have more options
00:24:53 ◼ ► now and that's a good thing. And this is just a reflection of kind of where they are as
00:25:00 ◼ ► a line. You know as a whole strategy. I don't know. It does feel the iMac like it's the
00:25:08 ◼ ► ideal size for an all-in-one computer and there's already plenty of configurations that
00:25:14 ◼ ► you can get. I don't know. I feel like if you want to go bigger you're the type of user
00:25:25 ◼ ► the type of user who has a more complex setup than an iMac anyway. I don't know. It could
00:25:31 ◼ ► be wrong. Just my perspective. I mean yeah I mean I you know having both the 5k and the
00:25:37 ◼ ► iMac Pro and now using a notebook with a serial display like it is nice that I have more flexibility
00:25:44 ◼ ► now that if I want to change out this computer the rest of my setup can stay the same and
00:25:49 ◼ ► I just drop in a new laptop or a Mac Studio or whatever it may be and that is pretty nice
00:25:55 ◼ ► and it gives me a little bit more future-proofing I feel like in my setup where before when
00:26:01 ◼ ► I moved from an iMac to an iMac Pro or the iMac Pro to the Mac Pro it's like oh I gotta
00:26:18 ◼ ► the time of all-in-ones is over like anyway I love the iMac like the 24 inch iMac I don't
00:26:26 ◼ ► I really love it. Steven loves it a surprising amount I'll read from your article I think
00:26:30 ◼ ► the 24 inch iMac will go down in history as one of the most special computers Apple has
00:26:34 ◼ ► ever made earning a right to sit next to my G4 Cube and 20th anniversary Mac. I love it
00:26:41 ◼ ► I don't know if I love it that much like the orange speaks to me it clearly does like I
00:26:56 ◼ ► like a decade or more like the the all-in-one you know since they went to the polycarbonate
00:27:02 ◼ ► I mean here's the thing if the iMac did not exist today there's no way Apple would make
00:27:07 ◼ ► it. Good point. Right there's no way that they would go from no all-in-one to hey here's
00:27:12 ◼ ► this thing we put the computer and display together the concept is an old one and they've
00:27:17 ◼ ► continued to make it cuz the iMac has great heritage and I think it is popular in a lot
00:27:21 ◼ ► of areas of their market but it is distinctly a product from a different time and especially
00:27:30 ◼ ► in the era of Apple Silicon when you can get a MacBook Pro that can do everything you need
00:27:48 ◼ ► wanted it you will be happy with a studio display and something else like you will like
00:27:58 ◼ ► be one? Hmm. Like you might want that but you don't need that and you will get you I believe
00:28:05 ◼ ► that you will have a longer and better computer life with these component parts as opposed
00:28:12 ◼ ► to the all-in-one. I think so too and I think it's made a little bit harder because the
00:28:27 ◼ ► was the same thing I wish I had a place for the iMac in my household or in my office somewhere
00:28:32 ◼ ► because I think it is cool and fun and that that makes us a little feel a little bit worse
00:28:38 ◼ ► I think maybe if they had not redesigned it so effectively that it'd be a little easier
00:28:49 ◼ ► Mac but it just doesn't fit anywhere for me. Are you saying that for a Mac to have a to
00:28:56 ◼ ► like to be in your studio it needs to have a quote place? I don't I feel personally attacked
00:29:03 ◼ ► personally attacked. You have a lot of Macs in that studio. Yeah but they're all old you
00:29:08 ◼ ► know a new computer. Okay this isn't old enough yet? Not old enough yet in a few years you
00:29:13 ◼ ► know I can I can round up all the M1s. What is the newest Mac in your collection? Probably
00:29:25 ◼ ► a 2016 or 2017 but that computer is garbage so I don't know if it actually counts as collectible.
00:29:32 ◼ ► Why do you have was that was that yours? Like why? No it was someone's they were using and
00:29:38 ◼ ► they replaced it with something else and they were like do you want this and I was like
00:29:44 ◼ ► have it the keyboard's real bad. Touch bar though you know what I'm saying? Yeah woohoo
00:29:48 ◼ ► no no no not great. Do you have any thoughts that you would like to share on the MacBook
00:30:01 ◼ ► a really good job on upgrade this week talking through them. I think in a lot of ways the
00:30:26 ◼ ► the the two. The base M3 seems like a reasonable way to go if you don't have the budget for
00:30:33 ◼ ► something more nicely spec'd. I agree with Jason with what he said about once you start
00:30:41 ◼ ► specing up you should just go to the pro because it's not that much more money and you get
00:30:45 ◼ ► extra thunderbolt port and more displays out and all that stuff. I'm just I'm just excited
00:30:50 ◼ ► about Apple Silicon and their continual this continued upgrade path that they've proven
00:30:57 ◼ ► that they can make these things faster and faster year over year and we you know we are
00:31:04 ◼ ► now in the phase of Apple Silicon like yes it is not the jump it was from Intel to Apple
00:31:07 ◼ ► Silicon that's a one-time thing but now they've proven three times in a row or I guess two
00:31:23 ◼ ► the memory stuff they're doing and the dynamic caching I think is what they're calling it
00:31:28 ◼ ► but that they have control of the whole stack now means they can do these different things
00:31:34 ◼ ► and it kind of opened my mind with the possibility of like well what if you know an M4 and M5
00:31:40 ◼ ► at some point in the future like hey this is the one that we really worked on the neural
00:32:04 ◼ ► do and you saw at the end of the Intel era they're doing the t1 and the t2 chip to like
00:32:09 ◼ ► shoehorn functionality into the system and now that they control all of it clearly they
00:32:16 ◼ ► said you know years ago the M3 generation is we're gonna do this GPU thing we're really
00:32:34 ◼ ► spend time in select areas and like move the ball forward in different areas at different
00:32:39 ◼ ► rates is just really exciting and I'm just as enthusiastic about this processor transition
00:32:50 ◼ ► is just gonna be bonkers when it comes out great I can't wait yeah man I think I actually
00:32:59 ◼ ► yet like basically I don't want to have to keep thinking about speed as being the thing
00:33:06 ◼ ► right just like raw processor speed because like it's kind of not that exciting I think
00:33:11 ◼ ► like ultimately it's kind of more what the chips can do I think which is more interesting
00:33:16 ◼ ► and also over time like those the speed gains will get smaller and smaller unless they brute
00:33:27 ◼ ► of get some speed gains is that we'll just put more cores in there but the idea of like
00:33:31 ◼ ► hey this chip does this very specific thing and like I would say that the graphic stuff
00:33:38 ◼ ► this time is the thing that's the most interesting to me which is like we were able to build
00:33:43 ◼ ► some specific technology to make gaming more possible on the Mac than it's maybe been in
00:33:58 ◼ ► run well on the Mac now that is just weird because it just feels like it was never going
00:34:07 ◼ ► to be possible yeah but like we are in that world now because they spent a bunch of time
00:34:18 ◼ ► specifically targeted exactly and the ultra which obviously will be a leading indicator
00:34:24 ◼ ► or whatever right like it's going to be the most powerful but that has the potential to
00:34:29 ◼ ► be powerful as as powerful as maybe some previous gen in video cards which is madness if that's
00:34:37 ◼ ► true so I look forward to the M3 ultra because it could be it could be some really cool stuff
00:34:53 ◼ ► have metal right not all game engines or developers want to deal with with like Apple's unusual
00:35:07 ◼ ► a Mac studio and I think you said this basically locks you in for the M3 like you're not interested
00:35:12 ◼ ► in the M2 generation at this point for that machine I just think that it seems silly right
00:35:18 ◼ ► now to to buy an M2 Macs studio like I just think that I would will come to regret that
00:35:25 ◼ ► when I my M1 Max is is fine right and so I think that I would buy it and then be really
00:35:32 ◼ ► sad that I bought it so I might as well just wait now because it will happen eventually
00:35:37 ◼ ► even if it's another year but like I can wait another year because really what I want to
00:35:45 ◼ ► I want to get away from having a laptop as a desktop and just have a desktop as a desktop
00:35:50 ◼ ► right for my recording and like production machine but now I'm kind of like well I might
00:35:56 ◼ ► as well wait a little bit longer get the more powerful chip and then have a longer life
00:36:13 ◼ ► other M3 machines like they didn't do anything with the Mac mini or the Mac studio or the
00:36:26 ◼ ► I don't think we're gonna be talking in November next year about how they finally brought the
00:36:29 ◼ ► M3 to the studio I think overall the M2 generation will be cut short by this for whatever reason
00:36:44 ◼ ► oh that is weird and it kind of makes it this like weird relic of this generation that was
00:36:56 ◼ ► Apple wants to get you know the M3 stuff rolled out to to the rest of the line and I don't
00:37:04 ◼ ► know why the Mac mini didn't get it but obviously the studio is waiting is waiting on the ultra
00:37:17 ◼ ► definitely could be and I think that's fine for both of those machines it's a little weird
00:37:21 ◼ ► for the the M2 Pro Mac mini but I think it's mostly okay you know those are sort of the
00:37:28 ◼ ► lower end desktops I do think they want to get the M3 into the MacBook Air I don't know
00:37:36 ◼ ► why they would hold that back it's the most popular Mac they sell more than anything else
00:37:49 ◼ ► Stories but like could they leave the MacBook Air on the M2 and they distinguish the Air
00:38:05 ◼ ► with it and they had to like bring it back in 2018 with the retina display and all that
00:38:14 ◼ ► why would you give up some of the gains you've made in that product line I think that but
00:38:20 ◼ ► there are two there are two things right you have strategy and you have availability and
00:38:35 ◼ ► that they're not reliant on production issues yeah like that was what Intel wasn't just
00:38:54 ◼ ► the delay Apple could be the delay right like they might be struggling to get the design
00:38:59 ◼ ► the way that they exactly want it to be or whatever right and so there is a I could see
00:39:05 ◼ ► a possibility where it's not like they would necessarily want to keep the MacBook Air on
00:39:10 ◼ ► M2 but they might need to I don't know could be I mean yeah it could be a simple game of
00:39:17 ◼ ► we can't make as many of them as we need right now and if it is the most popular computer
00:39:21 ◼ ► which we know it is well they need the most for them yeah exactly and so if they haven't
00:39:26 ◼ ► got the yield that they need then maybe maybe they do need to and so like I just feel like
00:39:32 ◼ ► the idea that it's all going to be clean now because it's Apple silicon I don't think it
00:39:55 ◼ ► production works and I'm sure they don't love that right I'm sure Apple wish they could
00:40:16 ◼ ► we all love and like kind of a weird machine and maybe maybe it was a stopgap right until
00:40:22 ◼ ► they could have enough M3s on the shelf to do this I don't know there are untold things
00:40:26 ◼ ► we can point out and be like why is it this way right like why have AirPods Max not been
00:40:30 ◼ ► updated yeah well yeah why did the HomePod sit there for so long you know like and then
00:40:35 ◼ ► there was and then there was another one right there these things happen all the time like
00:40:39 ◼ ► all the time it can't be as clear as we want it to be and it's not as clear as Apple would
00:40:44 ◼ ► want it to be because that is just the realities of large scale manufacture so did any of us
00:40:48 ◼ ► order anything yes what what no he's trolling he's trolling yeah I'm excited I have a new
00:40:55 ◼ ► thunderbolt dock oh okay that's not this you've kind of gone outside of the remit of the question
00:41:02 ◼ ► like yeah I have also ordered things on Amazon in the past month I bought some groceries
00:41:12 ◼ ► nice my favorite shop in America this is actually part of a connected or remastered listener
00:41:20 ◼ ► I don't remember I think we're a master listener sent us sent me this incredible email about
00:41:34 ◼ ► back of the console actually was a steam deck they attached with velcro a very slim thunderbolt
00:41:41 ◼ ► dock to the back of the steam deck and I thought well that's interesting I kind of want to
00:41:50 ◼ ► it to me and then I realized I cannot attach this to the back of the ROG Ally because the
00:41:55 ◼ ► ROG Ally has vents for airflow but I realized you know this this dock is actually pretty
00:42:02 ◼ ► sweet and much much more compact than my card digit is for so that's what I'm using now
00:42:07 ◼ ► it's what is what it's the pluggable thunderbolt dock it's only sold in America for some reason
00:42:14 ◼ ► it's very very compact it looks like an SSD it's really really small as an external power
00:42:25 ◼ ► ordered not a MacBook I did not order a MacBook either I'm hanging on to my M2C and I'm going
00:42:31 ◼ ► to buy the M2 Pro, MacBook Pro the 14 inch at least until the M4 I mean I'm really happy
00:42:38 ◼ ► with this machine it was also very expensive I'm not looking forward to spending that sort
00:42:50 ◼ ► lifestyle is going and our friend Chance Miller is actually getting rid of his Mac Studio
00:43:00 ◼ ► it was inspired by me so if he hates it he's going to send me an invoice for any financial
00:43:05 ◼ ► loss he incurs I do not accept that invoice just for the record I will not be paying that
00:43:17 ◼ ► MacBook Air is the best Mac of all time and then he's like oh forget that I bought a MacBook
00:43:21 ◼ ► Pro I think he was swayed by the space black well the really dark gray yeah yeah that's
00:43:31 ◼ ► so I've been very happy with my machine it's served me very well since getting it and it
00:43:36 ◼ ► will continue to serve me well for the foreseeable future I have one last thing I would like
00:43:41 ◼ ► to mention before we move on okay which is just in relation to Federico's dock purchase
00:43:56 ◼ ► to app stories and all these kinds of things okay Federico is way more trusting than me
00:44:02 ◼ ► of technology from companies he's never heard of yes dude yes well pluggable is kind of
00:44:09 ◼ ► popular yeah but you're like so there's this gaming phone and you know what I mean like
00:44:15 ◼ ► there's I've heard of this gaming phone and I've bought an adapter dude that adapter is
00:44:21 ◼ ► I don't that adapter right like I'm sure it works great and lots of other people use it
00:44:36 ◼ ► like for this reason I'm like really hesitant about this like anything that can like has
00:44:42 ◼ ► power related to it and yeah what do you what do you feel about buying glasses with displays
00:44:54 ◼ ► of is that something you would do Mike I hypothetically if we had a friend who was into that for some
00:44:59 ◼ ► reason well I mean I did look at when Federico was originally talking about it I looked at
00:45:51 ◼ ► stickers are they like little they like clip-on I think they're like little it's hard to say
00:45:56 ◼ ► when they announce the X real air 2 they also had this as a thing that you could I think
00:46:01 ◼ ► I think they're actual stickers but cool anyways yeah batteries glow in the dark I've been
00:46:14 ◼ ► glow-in-the-dark stickers on my magic keyboard and now I can see key caps at night when I'm
00:46:20 ◼ ► you know does it last for the glow-in-the-dark enough to fall asleep yeah okay a couple hours
00:46:27 ◼ ► for sure just imagine Apple Apple if you're listening this man put glow-in-the-dark stickers
00:46:42 ◼ ► and also Apple maybe he'll send you a picture of these glow-in-the-dark stickers and you'll
00:46:47 ◼ ► see that every single one of them is just in a different angle and then then think about
00:46:54 ◼ ► how you feel it gives a bit of charm to the whole thing I think all the keys are a little
00:47:01 ◼ ► crooked and you know what I appreciate about that and I feel like I would go this way too
00:47:11 ◼ ► this right and they'll always be like the one that's crooked so might as well just just
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00:51:28 ◼ ► back into history and we are roasting ourselves and each other from the year 2014 we're approaching
00:51:55 ◼ ► then for the hashtag engagement and you posted it on the connected Mastodon account and this
00:52:00 ◼ ► came up because John then sent it to our group thread and he made a comment about it and
00:52:10 ◼ ► take a look at these home screens and roast each other's life choices from 10 years ago
00:52:15 ◼ ► yeah I would like to make an overall just like a two for one roast on YouTube if that's
00:52:35 ◼ ► you had the empty row at the bottom like oh how could I possibly swipe to the next screen
00:52:41 ◼ ► without an empty row at the bottom of my own but doesn't know where to go my thumb I'll
00:52:46 ◼ ► accidentally open too many apps if I don't have a an empty bottom row that was my second
00:52:55 ◼ ► day some people still do it I think sure they do I'm sure they do yeah the thing that jumped
00:53:09 ◼ ► sit no some of the six the six so you're on the six plus this was in the very short period
00:53:27 ◼ ► I could tell you nobody was more excited than me I don't know I was I was living my very
00:54:05 ◼ ► pushed all the way out to the edge like the do icon of the time zones icon why they pushed
00:54:09 ◼ ► out so far you know it just something about the design language at this time feels a little
00:54:15 ◼ ► awkward in hindsight there's also like part of it is when you look at these home screens
00:54:20 ◼ ► something doesn't seem right and like part of that is like some of these icons are from
00:54:26 ◼ ► a different time you know they've got like texture and and shadows and some of them don't
00:54:40 ◼ ► the Instagram icon the Google Maps icon has still got that like the Instagram one is meant
00:54:44 ◼ ► to look like a look at that like mental at least the Instagram icon is going for a thing
00:54:49 ◼ ► you know the Google Maps one they just couldn't be bothered to have updated it so it still
00:54:52 ◼ ► got that little like hey this stands up from the home screen you know the worst one though
00:54:57 ◼ ► the worst icon on this image is todoist yeah I don't know what they were doing back there
00:55:03 ◼ ► that is a bad that is a bad I can't just Federico that's using it this was before I switched
00:55:10 ◼ ► Mike was using Wunderlist actually also OmniFocus and also clear and also do and also silo Mike
00:55:19 ◼ ► had a real problem look look it is well known that Mike still lives his life this way don't
00:55:24 ◼ ► talk about third person don't do third person okay well you know we were all talking about
00:55:36 ◼ ► what Federico thinks Mike would like to know the the thing is I've forgotten what I was
00:55:41 ◼ ► gonna say but oh at the time I think Steven me and you were trying Wunderlist as a shared
00:55:54 ◼ ► doing so we were both still working jobs I think at this point I definitely was and you
00:56:06 ◼ ► we were figuring this out together now like we have a meeting what's the weekend we know
00:56:10 ◼ ► we're obviously see from the fact that Wunderlist was on my home screen but not mine was that
00:56:23 ◼ ► you'll also notice is group me group me was huge at the time we used it as a group chat
00:56:30 ◼ ► that group chat eventually moved to slack so like this is also in that in-between period
00:56:36 ◼ ► where we're not sure if the group chat should go away or we should move to slack which is
00:57:04 ◼ ► a really cool one made by yeah I want to say indie developer based on based in Switzerland
00:57:22 ◼ ► still here it was last updated two years ago it doesn't look good at the time at the time
00:57:29 ◼ ► at the time it was it was good what let me tell you nice after eight months I find adding
00:57:34 ◼ ► expenses in next so fast and intuitive I struggle to use any other expense tracker said Federico
00:57:40 ◼ ► to teach you if max stories dotnet which is the very first thing in the app store description
00:57:44 ◼ ► incredible see so Sandra if you're out there can you just update the app make it now again
00:57:52 ◼ ► for me that'd be good right you can even take the name one two three yeah you can have it
00:57:57 ◼ ► one two three budget one two three next what else Stephen so I know Pinterest pinner was
00:58:04 ◼ ► a pinboard app rest in peace nuzzle you have a lot of reading apps here pinner nuzzle can
00:58:09 ◼ ► I ask do you know why you were using Pinterest enough then that it went on your home screen
00:58:31 ◼ ► because then I wouldn't later I sort of wiped my Pinterest account yeah account I think yeah
00:58:38 ◼ ► yeah that's I think what I was doing at the time okay we were all using or experimenting
00:59:03 ◼ ► maybe yep Salesforce we gave up though I don't remember why but like we got to a point like
00:59:09 ◼ ► we tried for a long time and then I think we're all just like this is this isn't better
00:59:21 ◼ ► it was pretty cool that's about the time around the time when Dropbox paper also came out
00:59:26 ◼ ► yeah I think and clips was a clipboard manager made by the same developers of dispatch the
00:59:42 ◼ ► do so yeah okay oh my god I forgot that yeah dispatch was the this is a email triage no
00:59:59 ◼ ► version two of that app you're thinking about came out a couple of years ago I don't recall
01:00:04 ◼ ► the name I'll find it this I think they also did that no dispatch was the app with with
01:00:23 ◼ ► like extensions before shortcuts and all of that like URL schemes were still huge at the
01:00:33 ◼ ► I was like 2013 2014 I was all in on editorial which is also on Mike's home screen yeah Mike
01:00:41 ◼ ► was also doing the workflows in the tutorial I was teaching pill don't know what to tell
01:00:45 ◼ ► you like you were using it so I started using it to I don't know write my notes in I guess
01:00:59 ◼ ► that time I think I was just using editorial as like my notes app the like back then everybody
01:01:06 ◼ ► needed a markdown text editor just for their notes because yes there wasn't a good place
01:01:12 ◼ ► to put your notes so the app you're thinking about Mike was in fact called the triage and
01:01:17 ◼ ► it was the app that like with it with a swipe server like tinder it lets you either archive
01:01:58 ◼ ► and yours Federico is on the dock yeah yeah I was man I was big on Evernote at the time
01:02:08 ◼ ► I was so big on every in fact I realized something about myself and and I don't know this segment
01:02:14 ◼ ► is funny because I feel like I'm also roasting myself this is a new flavor of roasting and
01:02:18 ◼ ► I can't well that was actually part of what I was thinking about this one is like we would
01:02:36 ◼ ► are are cyclical right we keep doing the same things over and over if you think about it
01:02:42 ◼ ► Steven this is where you come in you say time is a flat circle you love using that quote
01:02:47 ◼ ► and I will accept it because I realized a few weeks ago that what I was doing with edit
01:02:53 ◼ ► with Evernote 10 years ago it's pretty much what I'm doing with Obsidian now for example
01:03:14 ◼ ► you could rent a virtual well not a physical Mac Mini yeah an actual one yeah an actual
01:03:21 ◼ ► one and and I had a personal Mac Mini at Mac Mini colo and I was using it to to keep Evernote
01:03:51 ◼ ► had Apple scripts to process messages in the mail app and put them somewhere in Evernote
01:03:59 ◼ ► automatically then I had Apple scripts to take a look at a folder of markdown text files
01:04:16 ◼ ► this was a thing at the time I had a paperless workflow that used Hazel to do some OCR on
01:04:31 ◼ ► Dropbox I had this all set up and I realized a couple of weeks ago you know you're still
01:04:47 ◼ ► Apple scripts and whenever I save a text file to a folder it gets appended to a note in
01:04:58 ◼ ► still the same and some of the solutions haven't really changed in a decade it's kind of good
01:05:16 ◼ ► dark there Mike you already had Google Chrome in your yeah baby this is the great Chrome
01:05:26 ◼ ► experience look at that icon look at that icon hey it's better than a bunch of the other
01:05:32 ◼ ► icons on my home screen it's better than the Google Maps icon yeah that was when back when
01:05:46 ◼ ► right it was not easy to do this I still stand by the reason I did it which was that if I
01:06:08 ◼ ► browser or the other depending on like whether you know if I tapped a link and opened Safari
01:06:17 ◼ ► do back at the time and I did it for a really long time I kept it going for an incredibly
01:06:21 ◼ ► long time and then stopped and then Apple made it possible to have a third-party browser
01:06:34 ◼ ► so my screenshot has a 941 a.m. in the status bar so to give you some context full signal
01:06:43 ◼ ► strength to give but that's a status bar yes this was the time when I was obsessed with
01:06:53 ◼ ► having a clean status bar and it's like I'm the opposite of you no service for some reason
01:07:01 ◼ ► and 33% back oh I know I was at work I couldn't get I couldn't get cell reception in in my
01:07:16 ◼ ► time so this is before workflow workflow would come out in December of 2014 so this is before
01:07:25 ◼ ► workflow at the time I was obsessed with having a clean status bar which in hindsight was
01:07:31 ◼ ► a huge waste of time but hey you know I was younger and I had my quirks I still do different
01:07:38 ◼ ► ones just then none now but at the time there was no Apple frames right I did there was
01:08:05 ◼ ► the time I think to do basically these screenshots were composited using Python and the Python
01:08:12 ◼ ► image library of Pythonista which I'm pretty sure it's somewhere on page two or editorial
01:08:18 ◼ ► because editorial had the same engine as Pythonista and so yeah all these screenshots were composited
01:08:51 ◼ ► thing about like what do I do with the status bar now yeah many many weeks spent making
01:09:01 ◼ ► perfect perfect oh I see yeah iOS status bar clean on any background yeah that was yeah
01:09:08 ◼ ► that was a thing that was a thing at the time Stephen yes Mike and I have beats music huh
01:09:16 ◼ ► you had the music app yeah but that's before Apple music so you were of course listening
01:09:29 ◼ ► confident I was using Apple the iTunes match right so your stuff would be everywhere yeah
01:09:36 ◼ ► I did not you actually did not use beats music I didn't use it until it became Apple music
01:10:00 ◼ ► we used Google Apps and I wanted to keep those things separate so and on the Mac I used I
01:10:24 ◼ ► YouTube and it and it rotates you know like if you make a video full screen and YouTube
01:10:30 ◼ ► it automatically rotates landscape oh it does okay so because I don't use rotation lock
01:10:57 ◼ ► ah that's not the Apple weather one okay the Apple weather one that's a good detail good
01:11:09 ◼ ► Insta paper now they took it back right took it back they took it yes from Pinterest Pinterest
01:11:35 ◼ ► generation of read later tools but it's still around and they're still shipping updates
01:11:45 ◼ ► of newsletter integration as well so like it's still around and I mean arguably there's
01:11:51 ◼ ► more updates for Insta paper than there are for pocket these days and yeah if you're called
01:12:03 ◼ ► there they stuffed it with recommendations from like publishers you don't follow they're
01:12:08 ◼ ► doing weird things to pocket but yeah this was the era of like in our community we were
01:12:20 ◼ ► Insta paper was still made by by Marco 2014 maybe not I don't think so right if overcast
01:12:29 ◼ ► yeah over yeah so if overcast was around that Insta paper was already they sold in 2013
01:12:40 ◼ ► again well I don't actually think it is isn't it is it beta works again because I know it
01:12:45 ◼ ► was beta works then it went indie then it was Pinterest right is that how that went yeah
01:12:56 ◼ ► life in the middle I think beta works maybe sold it to Pinterest I don't know who could
01:13:37 ◼ ► something you can find it for Obsidian but the thing is unless you have some pretty basic
01:13:53 ◼ ► behind editorial was that it allowed you with an automator like UI which eventually would
01:13:59 ◼ ► be a shortcuts like UI it allowed you to make your own enhancements for the text editor
01:14:25 ◼ ► that you could create in editorial than there is today in 2023 in shortcuts editorial allowed
01:14:33 ◼ ► you to put together all kinds of lists and menus and input boxes and windows and previews
01:14:41 ◼ ► like you could do all kinds of native UI 10 years ago in editorial and you cannot do the
01:15:00 ◼ ► about the web stuff though well but that idea of you make your own autom- I mean you know
01:15:15 ◼ ► if you like if you've ever wondered like the origins at the Federico Vittucci iOS review
01:15:31 ◼ ► into a book yeah I did I did I did I'm gonna read you a quote from the editorial website
01:15:37 ◼ ► editorial sits at the forefront of the post PC era and it's become an indispensable tool
01:16:08 ◼ ► yeah me too I hate the apps that I've chosen that's what I hate like there's so many apps
01:16:14 ◼ ► here where I'm like why do I have all of these you know Wunderlist, Syllo, Cleardu and OmniFocus
01:16:49 ◼ ► you know launching Google Chrome on specific web pages I mean honestly probably you know
01:16:55 ◼ ► what I remember what I was using it for then launching show docs I was going to say yeah
01:17:01 ◼ ► I had it for a long time launching yeah documents from my podcast that and then I would choose
01:17:07 ◼ ► like which show like I choose the show artwork and it would open that show artwork yeah you
01:17:12 ◼ ► would you would probably pre-pend like Google Chrome colon slash slash to the Google Docs
01:17:21 ◼ ► URL and yeah no I think it was just docs colon slash slash it was open it in the Google Docs
01:17:27 ◼ ► app but get right to it oh yes you're right you're right that was one of my great discoveries
01:17:32 ◼ ► that did that I just it was one to say I'm not saying like I worked it I but like I worked
01:17:36 ◼ ► it out for myself like I didn't see it anywhere and I tried it and it worked yeah myself the
01:17:42 ◼ ► last thing I say is the slack icon is so good and they ruined it like seeing that slack
01:17:46 ◼ ► icon now it's like why did you do what you did I would pay to use the slack icon already
01:17:52 ◼ ► doesn't bother me it oh yeah that's the sore spot for me right now they meant slack I'm
01:17:59 ◼ ► just so annoyed at slack in general but like that the icon doesn't bother me now like it's
01:18:04 ◼ ► fine but then when I see the old one I'm like yeah that was so good it is good so good bring
01:18:09 ◼ ► it back it's the best icon in that home screen like I think it's the best icon on all of
01:18:14 ◼ ► our home screens it's timeless timeless icon I mean it's no group me but it's pretty close
01:18:18 ◼ ► that's true did you still use group me Stephen yeah it's on the second second screen in my
01:18:24 ◼ ► phone I really would love to see what the second and third screens of these phones look
01:18:31 ◼ ► like you know like what's going on back there like that's what I really want to know like
01:18:38 ◼ ► it's before the app library oh so I only look I only have two home screens and y'all just
01:18:45 ◼ ► each have three so there's a pile of folders beyond these somewhere yeah I'm I know that
01:18:49 ◼ ► me and Federico have one more screen of apps on it though like I'm sure of that and then
01:19:07 ◼ ► fine and we've grown mics is the worst I actually think mics is the worst mics is the worst
01:19:13 ◼ ► without shadow of a doubt mine is the worst like there is I'm fine with that Mike Mike's
01:19:18 ◼ ► home screen is consistently the worst through the not now mine is the best now these days
01:19:29 ◼ ► me tell you dear listener there'll be a link in the show notes to our current home screens
01:19:34 ◼ ► as they are today well you'll see I have the best one and you can I don't think we're gonna
01:19:39 ◼ ► roast them today but you can just another time see how we've evolved see how waste it's
01:19:44 ◼ ► not roast waste you know wait we are carbon neutral roasting you know we don't we don't
01:19:52 ◼ ► want to waste them because that's like burning up for later but I you can see I have the
01:19:56 ◼ ► best one anyway so it's like we don't even need to get into it today if you want to find
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