00:00:00 ◼ ► Source when the macro man. Looks like we're not going to get this year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/0">TS</a>]
00:00:04 ◼ ► If we haven't gotten it yet like they just did this i Mac. Update. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4">TS</a>]
00:00:07 ◼ ► Yeah I feel like I've been hearing from various sources that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► It's coming it's coming it's coming it's coming any second any second any second any second but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/11">TS</a>]
00:00:16 ◼ ► I don't know yet a fifteen inch MacBook Pro is. It's it's such the workhorse of the industry like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/16">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► It gets so little attention relatively speaking like in media coverage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/23">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► and people like us talking about will no not us but most of our podcasts. Talking about it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/27">TS</a>]
00:00:34 ◼ ► Talking about laptops and everything everyone talking about the new MacBook or a new map a carriage or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/34">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► But when I go to conferences and events and ice or ice or go to some of his office and I see other developers working. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/38">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► By far the most common machine and use is the fifteen in fact a pro completely agree. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/46">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► I get really is like the like the quiet workhorse of the entire industry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/51">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► Yeah basically if you're doing something that's. That requires any more horsepower than a MacBook Air. Can give you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/55">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► Then immediately jump directly to fifteen inch MacBook Pro. Do not pass go do not pass thirteen inch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/62">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► Do not collect two hundred dollars. That's a reference to. Last week I brought up by thing and we all talked about the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/68">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► The thing where the i Phone six S. and Six S. Plus C.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/77">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► User being manufactured by two different companies Samsung and T S M C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/80">TS</a>]
00:01:24 ◼ ► And some early benchmarks at the time were showing that the T S M C one got significantly better battery life in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/84">TS</a>]
00:01:30 ◼ ► Samsung when it was something on the order of like fifteen or twenty percent better battery life. Under certain C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/90">TS</a>]
00:01:35 ◼ ► Stressing benchmarks. And this this briefly became a thing. And Apple kind of squash a shooting a P.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/95">TS</a>]
00:01:43 ◼ ► Statement to a bunch of Web sites that basically said it was it was the most Apple least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/103">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► It meant every It basically said nothing about whether it was true or not but it sounded like a denial and the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/110">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► The reality of what they said is that. Yes there is a difference but they say it's within two to three percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/118">TS</a>]
00:02:07 ◼ ► Not fifteen or twenty percent under their testing and that the testing that revealed this larger difference.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/127">TS</a>]
00:02:13 ◼ ► Was considered invalid or are important because it only showed. Basically maxing out the C.P.U.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/133">TS</a>]
00:02:21 ◼ ► And so if you were doing things that max out the C.P.U. Then there is a noticeable difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/141">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► If you are not maxing out the C.P.U. and Most people are not maxing out most of the time. Then the difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/148">TS</a>]
00:02:36 ◼ ► I haven't seen enough like really honest to goodness data to make me feel strongly one way or the other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/156">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► John what's your take on all this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/162">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► I'm still kind of interested in what where the difference comes from I don't know enough about the gig bench thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/164">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► and of course Apple statement is not very specific they thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/169">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► They put the of that benchmark by saying that it spends an unrealistic amount of time at the highest C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/172">TS</a>]
00:02:59 ◼ ► Performance state and do they mean C.P.U.'s in the whole system on a chip. To the mean just the C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/179">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► Part of the system on the chip. I don't know geek benches exercising the G.P.U. At the same time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/184">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► Like what could account for the large difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/190">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► If it's only through their present regular test is that just because you know on regular regular You said you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/193">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► Some people heard of games like what if I'm playing a game that is close to maximum see beauty entire time I'm playing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/202">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► And then does it come back into the twenty or thirty percent range or does that no matter because the game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/206">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► Stresses the G.P.U. and It turns out the one with the good you know this is not enough details here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/212">TS</a>]
00:03:37 ◼ ► When I was trying to think of like maybe one is better uses less energy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/217">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► Coming from and going into low power state or you know spinning parts of the ship up or down and the other one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/222">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► You know is better at sustained high. C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/229">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► Usage but if you were to throttle on off on off it would get worse for I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/233">TS</a>]
00:03:57 ◼ ► It's mysterious all we have is Apple's word to go on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/237">TS</a>]
00:04:01 ◼ ► I don't think anyone has done any real world test yet you would think if it was twenty to thirty percent in real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/241">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► we would know about it not from someone running a benchmark quote from actual people saying. Boy I'm off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/246">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► My i Phone success is terrible and someone else saying my i Phone success is great and I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/251">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► but people are saying that anyway but they probably will have the same C.P.U. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/255">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► It's mysterious Apple is not going to really give us any information on it as Apple says in a statement you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/261">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► Every chip we ship meets Apple's high standards Bob involved off I guess they're gonna. You know they're going to make. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/267">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► I think it is literally true that in Apple's testing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► The worst chip like the bad one or whatever in the bench test passes Apple's criteria. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/276">TS</a>]
00:04:41 ◼ ► It still means that perhaps the other ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/281">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► Exceed Apple's criterion if you get one of those you're kind of lucky and so it is still kind of like a lottery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/284">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► and I'm not sure how we're going to get more information not more information I don't even know if you're lucky unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/290">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► you spend all day running that benchmark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/295">TS</a>]
00:04:57 ◼ ► How lucky are you if you get the quote unquote good one that something like like their statement really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/297">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► It wasn't actually like everyone's going to treating it as like confirmation that this is wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/303">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► But in fact it was confirmation that it's right that there is a difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/308">TS</a>]
00:05:13 ◼ ► But you probably won't notice it in average use. And it wasn't techie didn't go into the details that just. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/313">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► It's essentially it's first the fact that they made a statement at all. It's interesting but second. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/319">TS</a>]
00:05:25 ◼ ► But their statement said is like we feel we are covered. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/325">TS</a>]
00:05:28 ◼ ► We feel everything we've said is true even though there's a difference. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/328">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► And we think the difference A small in real world usage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/332">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► The end so you're right is basically it's a confirmation of the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/335">TS</a>]
00:05:37 ◼ ► but they're not going to go into us to protect the detail and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/337">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► Bottom line as long as the dive on success get OK battery life. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► Compared to what six got which it probably does because everyone's taxes are like a year old right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/344">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► Who gets a success most people are going to get a success. A month after they get a sex. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/348">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► It's everything seems to be fine. Yeah. It's a non-story. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/353">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► But from a technical perspective I'm still very interested in how exactly this synthetic benchmark.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/357">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► Found this lead you know this weakness in this one C.P.U. Our first concert this week is Caspar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/364">TS</a>]
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00:06:37 ◼ ► But the latest from kind of kind of team some of the some of the downsides of it like the hotness that a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/397">TS</a>]
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00:07:06 ◼ ► This is really about half the price that you're going to pay most of the time for any other reasonable mattress. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/426">TS</a>]
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00:07:34 ◼ ► And then you open it up and it just expands out sort of the out of the room and. And there have a mattress. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/454">TS</a>]
00:07:39 ◼ ► And if you and you sleep on it for up up to a hundred nights. And if you don't like it after a hundred nights. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/459">TS</a>]
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00:08:21 ◼ ► So big week for Marco. You released overcast to. I did. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/501">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► I even stopped seeing the point though in my marketing materials because I thought it sounded better without it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/506">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► It's delightfully Apple Yeah if you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/512">TS</a>]
00:08:34 ◼ ► when I leave the cents off menus that fancy restaurants are basically all restaurants now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/514">TS</a>]
00:08:38 ◼ ► They don't even give you a dollar sign it just like twelve. Yeah exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/518">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► That's the experimenting has proven that makes people more willing to buy overpriced meals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/521">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► Well it looks fancier if you give it like a nice a nice Sarah Funt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/527">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► And you just have the description of the item with as much white space around it as possible with many words on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/531">TS</a>]
00:08:56 ◼ ► IS possible you can understand. And it's off to the right somewhere as has like twelve. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/536">TS</a>]
00:09:00 ◼ ► It's just a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Space space base. Thirty four. And the OK that's good news. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/540">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► Well we'll talk about overpriced things here in a minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► but why don't we start with one of the marquee features of overcast to. You finally got streaming working. I did. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/552">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► I mean you know there's not that much to say about it I don't think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/560">TS</a>]
00:09:24 ◼ ► I talked here before about all the different times I tried to get it working in the past and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/564">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► I just tried so many different approaches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/570">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► and I tried I tried the correct approach multiple times before actually getting getting my side of it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/572">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► This is using Apple's low level. Audio file stream A.P.I. and It's incredibly low level and incredibly unforgiving. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/579">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► And also pretty sparsely documented. That the kind of the core audiotapes tile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/587">TS</a>]
00:09:55 ◼ ► Of their documentation is to be really conservative with the words. So there is like. Some like my new little detail. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/595">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► You have to. You have to kind of read it like a lawyer. And you know to really understand like oh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/604">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► What is this exactly are you know what this says audio sample what kind of audio samples that are what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/609">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► timestamp is this what time space is and things like that it's really tricky to get right but I got it right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/614">TS</a>]
00:10:19 ◼ ► Eventually. And it with with. Which I did not uncover any of my testing and my bid on didn't cover it either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/619">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► And that is. It doesn't it doesn't play a C. Files where the header is at the end of the file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/627">TS</a>]
00:10:35 ◼ ► So this is a go over quickly. Why why it does this and why this is going to be tricky to fix but basically. The A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/635">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► Who's streaming A.P.I. So I give it bites. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/645">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► And I tell it OK I'm at this point in the file here the bytes from that point. And I just stream it in and then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/648">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► It tells me. OK we got the header. We got the properties we got like you know anything you need to know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/653">TS</a>]
00:10:58 ◼ ► And our now ready to give you samples so here's here's the audio samples. And as you. As you come through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/658">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► You know as you pace through the bytes. It gives you the samples for it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/664">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► The problem is that requires the header data about the file which tells you really important things like the sample [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/667">TS</a>]
00:11:13 ◼ ► rate of the audio how many how many channels Amano were stereo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/673">TS</a>]
00:11:17 ◼ ► and you can't really decode the audio properly until you have those basics. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/677">TS</a>]
00:11:22 ◼ ► With M P three it's fine with M P three It puts everything important at the beginning of the file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/682">TS</a>]
00:11:27 ◼ ► And also the beginning of every header of every little chunk of the file so with N P three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/687">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► You can basically decode an M P three. Starting from anywhere in the file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/692">TS</a>]
00:11:37 ◼ ► You just kind of skim ahead for a certain by pattern and there's a frame and you can just start. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/697">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► It's amazing it is so M P three is so simple. If you want to. If you want to have embedded meditate or chapters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/700">TS</a>]
00:11:46 ◼ ► All of that is shoved up front in the idea three v two block on an M P three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/706">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► So you can just read the first couple kilobytes a couple hundred kilobytes of his artwork in there. N.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/710">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► Three is amazing. It's a great format. And the patents all expire in a couple years. Most of them already have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/715">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► So the last of the patents expire in a couple of years. N.P. Three is great unfortunately about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/721">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► I think less so much as it was something like three to five percent of pod cast that overcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/729">TS</a>]
00:12:15 ◼ ► Has it next so whatever I know about. In the whole directory. About three to five percent of episodes. Use a C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/735">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► Format or. And for a armadas all the same format. The the quick time. Mob slash em for a format is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/742">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► Less ideal that M P three. On the Reading side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/751">TS</a>]
00:12:35 ◼ ► It is this incredibly like architecture astronaut designed format where you can contain anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/755">TS</a>]
00:12:41 ◼ ► and you can embed anything you know you can have all these arbitrary tracks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/761">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► and ability that is a much more versatile format an M P three has a can is it's like this kind of grand container [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/763">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► format. But it's really hard to read in a way. It without having the whole file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/769">TS</a>]
00:12:55 ◼ ► You read it and it gives you this like tree structure of atoms and within each atom is more Adams and more structures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/775">TS</a>]
00:13:04 ◼ ► Well first of all the chapters are disaster chapters are interspersed with the entire file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/784">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► So you can't easily stream them. And the other problem is that it is possible to put to write all the audio data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/789">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► Up front and then to write the headers at the end. So without reading the end of the file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/797">TS</a>]
00:13:24 ◼ ► You don't know things like what format the audio is in so you can't decode it. Which means you can't stream that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/804">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► So if you've ever seen on like a file export dialog. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/810">TS</a>]
00:13:34 ◼ ► You've ever seen those little check boxes the say something along the lines of optimize for internet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/814">TS</a>]
00:13:38 ◼ ► Or make it stream of all or fast start something like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/818">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► What those do is they set and they tell the encoder to write that header up front. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/823">TS</a>]
00:13:49 ◼ ► Don't wait to all the data is written and then right at the end. Write the header up front or at least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/829">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► Go back and rewrite it upfront after you're done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/834">TS</a>]
00:13:56 ◼ ► So that it's not sitting at the end of a file so that people can stream it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/836">TS</a>]
00:13:59 ◼ ► It's not there is not reliable support for Bahrain support for by Ranger. US that you can grab the end of the file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/839">TS</a>]
00:14:06 ◼ ► That's a separate issue I can grab the end of the file but the audio files from A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/846">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► Is not compatible with this at all. So I actually do byte ranges for. You know for seeking but the way I do it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/851">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► I read the beginning of the file every time to get the headers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/859">TS</a>]
00:14:23 ◼ ► And then once I've gotten the headers in the audio data starts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/863">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► Then I jump ahead and send a second by request for the part I actually need if for if it's further ahead.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/865">TS</a>]
00:14:31 ◼ ► So the problem is this. This audio file stream A.P.I. Literally just does not support this at all like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/871">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► This layout of having the header at the end even if I jump ahead get it and then give it back to say P.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/878">TS</a>]
00:14:42 ◼ ► Even if I have the whole file on disk that if you add is not support that. So my options. To fix this problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/882">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► I'll get back to bite rings in a minute. My options to fix this problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/889">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► Are either to just well not support those files which is not a great idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/892">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► I've already heard from a few people who was into some shows like that that are very unhappy and it's understandable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/897">TS</a>]
00:15:03 ◼ ► Or I can run those through a different A.P.I. Entirely the old A.P.I. The. I was using the E.X.T. Audio file. A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/903">TS</a>]
00:15:12 ◼ ► That supports them. But that doesn't support streaming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/912">TS</a>]
00:15:15 ◼ ► So I can have these two different code paths of this pretty major part of the player where I'm you know running it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/915">TS</a>]
00:15:21 ◼ ► certain files not others and. But I don't even know we're trying to call yet. Until I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/921">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► You know big chunk of a file. Or I can do my third option which is what I'm probably going to end up doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/925">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► Which is actually like fix the file on disk. And then play it. Which is not a great. Aren't you're downloading it then. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/931">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► I will probably end up just not streaming these beach because it would be a lot harder if I make it because then if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/943">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► stream and then I have to actually like go one level deeper in the A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/949">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► and Like decode the format myself for both of these and then that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/953">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► and only feed brought it into a converter it's very I would really rather not go to that level if I don't need to of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/958">TS</a>]
00:16:03 ◼ ► the president going for the server side solution where these problematic files good downloaded on thier server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/963">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► and then you put in the metadata for them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/970">TS</a>]
00:16:11 ◼ ► when you encounter one in the wild you just asked the server for the chapter info which already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/971">TS</a>]
00:16:16 ◼ ► Fetched you knowing well isn't this isn't just chapters This is actually like playback. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/976">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► I can't even play the files arrange this way they can't give it some at it like you know if you don't think Download it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/980">TS</a>]
00:16:26 ◼ ► Get all the information you need about the Fall weather is chapters or how to play it or whatever then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/986">TS</a>]
00:16:29 ◼ ► when you encounter that file rather than reading the information about how to play it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/989">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► Just as a server for information about how to play it and it will tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/994">TS</a>]
00:16:37 ◼ ► when you don't have to bother reading the end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/997">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► Well first of all anything involving like a server cache of the file has all the problems. So you know mostly it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/999">TS</a>]
00:16:45 ◼ ► If I have one. If I if I do want to pro-choice is to catch the file myself and re serve it. From my servers to the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1005">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► Podcast publishers don't like that my what might that I know you're not going to serve the file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► Just the method it right so then the question is what happens if the meditate I'm serving is out of date because a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1017">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► has changed. You know then that's a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► I could be tagging everything but then what if I don't have the data I need you know it's it's it's a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► I'm going to come up with some kind of crazy fixed probably going to end up doing a temporary hack your street is Files. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:17 ◼ ► playing again in the next few weeks. And then a longer term all. Probably have to go to that lower level A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1037">TS</a>]
00:17:22 ◼ ► But I really want that. Oh I think the server side rather going to come back if you. If you obviously can do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1042">TS</a>]
00:17:29 ◼ ► Solutions that involve downloading it but if you actually want to stream it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1049">TS</a>]
00:17:32 ◼ ► Someone's got to download it and get all the info about it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1052">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► and then it's just a question of you know like you go it falls once you have the download path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► and they're going to fall back to that sorry like well if I couldn't get the information or this is a rare podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► and I want to look at or whatever the information is out of date because the files change or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► Then you fall back to downloading. But I can't think of another way that you can successfully stream something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► I mean I guess if you're saying the lower level A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:56 ◼ ► You can just do the jump ahead to the and get that or jump back thing and just have a little delay. Yeah. That's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1076">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► If it supports byte ranges which And that's a separate thing so as as I'm developing this I learned a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► about what server support and don't support. I also love the if rings header. It's also over design that is awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► The. The problem with byte ring support. Is that pod cast C.D.'s only support it fairly loosely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:22 ◼ ► So some of them supported every time. Some of them never support it. And some of them. Like Lipson which powers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1102">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► Most of overcast most popular podcast. Lives in supports it. Sometimes. So that was the way Lipson works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► As far as I can tell is that they are the front end to multiple back and C.D.'s and. When you request. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► Libs in your oh you're redirected to just a random back and CD as far as I can tell. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► You don't get the same one every request. So you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► You could make a request for a file that supports byte ranges that make a second request and won't support them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► So you never know when calling the lives in your all. Whether the requests you make will support byte ranges even. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:05 ◼ ► Regardless of where the. Whether the previous one to be exact same host did or not. If I build the U.I. and Everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1145">TS</a>]
00:19:11 ◼ ► Assuming that byte range of will always be there. I basically that I can assume that basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1151">TS</a>]
00:19:15 ◼ ► So I so I have to also like in a case like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1155">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► I have to cover the case where where I have to download the entire file first before I can even start playing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► Because that might be the only way to get of Mr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:27 ◼ ► So how did you not encounter this until after our guest was released us never downloaded one of these podcast for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1167">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I I honestly didn't download a lot of em for a pod cast or AC whatever you want to call the format. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► Because all the pocket had listened to our N P three format. And so I had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► I went and found some that I was using for testing for things like and for things like A C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► Chapters and everything the enhanced AC stuff. But none of those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:53 ◼ ► As happened to be encoded in this way with the header at the end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1193">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► So I you know I didn't I didn't test the entire catalog. Maybe I should have written some kind of script to do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► That would've been wise but I didn't. So you know. Now I have a bunch of of test cases. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:08 ◼ ► But basically it's going to be a lot of work to support. What is you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1208">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► A very small percentage of downloads but you know. That's the job. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:19 ◼ ► Since you've got all this server side data you could actually use in the end term use this social engineering solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1219">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► where you find the most popular broken podcast the part most popular party if they're like this take their files. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► Rewrite them last mostly a fossil and send them an email and say hey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:34 ◼ ► Your files don't play on my player because it is not in my eyes for streaming. Here is versions of your files that do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1234">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► Could you swap the men for the old ones. And in the United ask them to read in code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► You're not even telling them they going forward to basically doing all the work for them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► I don't know how many it is like maybe if you do that with three pod casts that cover ninety percent of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► problematic files. Well. If you're going to go a social route. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:55 ◼ ► The easier social route is that all the people who are encountering these podcasts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1255">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► Are yelling at me on Twitter and copying the people who publish them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► And some of the people who publish them have already said oh I didn't realize that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► I've now convert of the files it was different checkbox option doesn't do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► Yeah they'll probably do it going forward if people complain but like anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► If you did it for them they would be even less work because of the like here here's your stuff on the platter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► and I don't think you can do it for everybody but if I don't know the stats like I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► but there's a real big like peak of like this is these three podcast account for ninety percent of the problems because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► they're popular. That would also give you some breathing room. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► I mean I think it's really been a very small number that I've heard about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► So I'm not that concerned I really do think the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:38 ◼ ► The right solution is just going to be to make the thing in the app that just download the whole file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1298">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► And then you know. Rewrites it to be correct and then feed it into the parser. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► Because then I have way fewer code paths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► and you know that I only have the one parsing code that I can stay with that high level A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:53 ◼ ► and Not do a whole bunch more work. Because you know if. And then just those files won't stream. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1313">TS</a>]
00:22:00 ◼ ► That you know they have to download all the way but that's kind of how they work already. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1320">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► That's how overcast work constantly until last week and. Because it's such a very small number of these. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► I think that's an acceptable trade off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► but I don't know I could change my mind will say though that as far as two point zero about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► As far as you know any other minor things. I broke the entire watch app that was fun. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► And you didn't realize it all causing nobody is that. I don't even use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► It's kind of embarrassing but I don't use my watch app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► I hardly ever touch the main reason that it broke is even more embarrassing. Relatively late in the process. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► I changed my. My artwork down later to use a different. Your all session A.P.I. Because the old your a connection A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► Was deprecated. I forgot to check the box and X. Code for that. For that one category file. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► That said to include it in the linker in the watch kit binary. So I had a missing symbol when that function was called. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► It would just throw an exception and crash. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► And the reason I didn't catch this is because I wasn't using the simulator to test if I was using my actual watch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:08 ◼ ► And my actual watch. Turns out. Has been very buggy recently. And one of the ways been buggy. Is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1388">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► I thought it was installing the new versions like the new is building it whenever I put a test by build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► or a devs build on to my phone of overcast. I assume that it was working the way it always worked for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► Which is that it was also copying over the watch by an area the same time. Our you know few seconds later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► Turns out it wasn't and and the overcast. Build on my watch was like a month old and was before this change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► And so I was testing on my watch and I thought it was fine. Additionally. None of the bitterness caught it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► Possibly for similar reasons of test site being buggy. Possibly could. One of them use the watch app. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► Doesn't matter. Nobody caught it. I didn't catch it no one else did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► After you didn't catch either which means after you didn't even try to watch out because it literally would launch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► I have a fix in for that and for of a playlist editing bug where the very first time you would create a playlist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► It wouldn't save any of your settings which is really embarrassing. I don't know why I didn't catch that but it didn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► And a couple of the little things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► but really that was it was very minor besides the watch get up surprising half of your Didn't even launch the watch out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:18 ◼ ► for kind of things. Can you sneak through another you know this. Yeah I was also. Probably not worth putting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1458">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► Well though the number one thing you sneak through. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► When you realize you have a loophole in app review is some sort of tethering back door. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► Isn't that the rules of the sort that is that is standard protocol. Either a tethering back door and yes I mean later. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► Right right one of the other to go back to streaming just for a minute I had a couple of minor questions I want to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:49 ◼ ► I feel like you've probably already answered this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1489">TS</a>]
00:24:51 ◼ ► but what was the hardest part I mean it sounds like the hardest part is yet to come which is figuring out the say see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1491">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► stuff but is there anything else that was really hard that. That's worth noting and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1496">TS</a>]
00:25:01 ◼ ► This kind of works its way into the following question which is what are you most proud of specifically within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1501">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► The hardest part was really just slowly getting all these pieces to work together because there's a whole bunch of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► weird conditions. Weird concurrency potential pitfalls. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► Different you know differ a lot of different states that all the different pieces can be in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► When you when you start downloading the file like I mentioned I have this like initial request [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► and then I can do a range request so like which state are all the different requests in. Once you have that data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:35 ◼ ► As I'm passing it to the decoder you know what happens when I run against the end of what I've downloaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1535">TS</a>]
00:25:41 ◼ ► and I have to send the decoder a partial block. Or do I wait till I have a whole block. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1541">TS</a>]
00:25:45 ◼ ► And then what data decoder in has it. You know has a found the header yet do I have what's necessary to decode yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1545">TS</a>]
00:25:51 ◼ ► Has it reached end of file what happens in all these other things we found a file do I do actually play to the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1551">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► last sample. Or do I cut it off somewhere. You know because I've messed up a buffer somewhere. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► All these little things that you know that's that's the hard part.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► In addition to the the aforementioned hard part which was just figuring out how the heck to use this A.P.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► Which is very low level C. A.P.I. Which and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:16 ◼ ► You know like most of Korea is extremely unforgiving and gives relatively unhelpful error codes so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1576">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► It was just really really tough just getting all that stuff right. What lessons did you learn. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► While you were doing this. Use a v player. My biggest lesson is don't do this if you're starting from scratch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:38 ◼ ► However I am very happy I did it because now I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1598">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► You know the whole reason I had to do this for a quick review anybody who isn't familiar the whole reason I had to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► all this craziness. And not just use a V. Player is that A.V. Player. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:50 ◼ ► As far as I'm aware and I've I've tried to do this numerous times and tried numerous different approaches. But A.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1610">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► Player as far as I know. Cannot do smart speed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► So in order to do smart speed I had to write this whole audio engine at a lower level than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:05 ◼ ► and I didn't want to just have like a version that. Smart speed and aversion that can stream. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1625">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► So that you can only has more speed while you're streaming I do want to let you know I want to have every feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► available. Whether you are streaming or not it was a lot of work. But I think it was worth it. Assume a can fix this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► As annoying little AC limitation. It was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► I think it was very much worth it because now even even people who don't who never thought they would use streaming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► Which I count myself among those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► It is really nice to have even if you set it to automatically download everything when it comes out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► You will still at some point runs with a situation where something just came out. I want to listen to it right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► And you can just tap it. And it just starts playing. Immediately. You don't have to wait for the download. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► And that's really nice. And this is this is holding up a bunch of other possible features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► Things like making invalid sharing links better like now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► but I can make it so that if you tap an ever cash Airlink in something I can pop up a little player in the overcast app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► and have Uli preview that are played at right there. You know that's that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► Or just simpler things like when that of cations come in for new episodes. I can have a play button on them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► Said it was dismissed and wait for its download. You know simple stuff like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:20 ◼ ► It's just really nice to have all these options. So now I have the foundation that lets me actually do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1700">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► What lessons did you learn while doing all this other than testing a watch up and A.V. Play or anything else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:32 ◼ ► You learn to play one of each kind of pod cast that you know exists out in the wild racing one M P three you one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1712">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► see where that are the end when I see it as the beginning one hybrid right one low bitrate you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:43 ◼ ► and does the I mean basically what I learned there was I was already doing that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1723">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► But what I learned there was there isn't a type but I forgot about that should have been included in the list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► It's funny to me that you have yet to mention that you learned that unit testing may not be so terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► but I know that's a tree that. It's not worth barking up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1738">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► Any other interesting stories about the development because it's been about a year right what version of this of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:09 ◼ ► streaming engine are we on for five. Three or four. OK. So it's but it was about a year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1749">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► Any other interesting stories were true airing before we talk about business these things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► Not really how mean it was you know I did a few other things I converted a lot a lot of things that were previously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► Firing notifications. To tell various other parts of the app to update. And now I'm doing all those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► I'm doing a lot of those as cave you know. Using Facebook Kavi a controller. Instead of all that sort of occasion hell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► So that was actually and I think I'm also I have serialized database access onto the main thread. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► Which is crazy sounding to some people. And I'm know this is very technical and very boring so go over it very quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► Don't want to hear basically my previous version was using a version of MY a few model layer that had a background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► queue for database access and there was there was a number of challenges with this and potential bugs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► when like things were happening my background queue and the U.I. Tries to update. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:08 ◼ ► And then you know what version of A does it get and. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1808">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► It would just update at the right time designing the actual you get called in the background thread that it's touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:17 ◼ ► you like it was you can't do. So there's all sorts of these little possible bugs some of the which became real bugs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1817">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► And the new version. Serialize all database. Operations on the main thread. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► You're typically told not to do this for a lot of things because you know that is performance problematic like if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► data if you have a big database operation that's David for a couple of seconds. Do you I can't update. In practice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:42 ◼ ► If you have an operation with that long. The U.I. Gets blocked. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1842">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► If you have it on a background queue because at some point the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► Calls into the database queue and the operation is ahead of it in the queue it's blocking it all up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► So I found in practice. Any large operations that were large enough to take. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► You know notice a lot of time in the database would block the U.I. Anyway. Even if it was in the background thread. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► To something in the U.I. Would cause the into the database and have to wait. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:09 ◼ ► You don't have a you know readers aren't blocked by writers kind of isolation or a separate queue for read and write. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1869">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► You know. You know I don't have that I could add that some point F.C. Model. In practice I really haven't needed it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► You know in practice having everything on the main thread is both way simpler. You know it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► As I mention all the all the all the possible bugs that you get from having it on some other thread. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► All those bugs are gone and also. It hasn't really been floor in fact many things about it are faster. So I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► I have found no downside to this. In the kind of in the way that I actually use the database which is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► You know every I'm never doing like a table scan whatever sequelae called a table scan. I'm never doing that in the U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► Everything that I've always been inquiring is always indexed. And dataset really isn't that big relatively speaking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► So yeah that's fine. Right. One final question before we talk about something else that's awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:07 ◼ ► What's next on the roadmap anything you're willing to share one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1927">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► One benefit that we won't quote benefit that we get being on the A.T.P. Emails is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► We also get about tenth of your overcast. Support requests that somehow end up in the A.T.P. In a box. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► And I've seen a handful of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► Very perturbed about the lack of authenticated feeds in overcast do you plan on doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► or is there anything else you'd like to talk about with with regard to your roadmap.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► So right now I know I I crawl A.T.P. Once for all subscribers to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► And then you know I caught that then I just read the People. So OK. Suppose you have a password feed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► Do I crawl it once and then research that to other people. That's obviously not great for security and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► You know kind of defeats the purpose of password feeds and could be like a piracy. Venue Avenue so I don't do that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1977">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► Do I crawl the feed separately. For every user that's ascribe to it with their you can even password. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► That is like the most. Semantically correct way to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► But that's also incredibly wasteful and resource heavy on my crawling servers. Suppose a really popular pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► Went with Pastor because it feeds. And then I had you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► Sixty thousand people in my pod cast after Ryan to download his one thing with sixty thousand different passwords then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► that adds sixty thousand crawling feet to have to do. To every interval of that I'm refreshing the feed that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► That's both a burden on me and a burden on the other server. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► So I don't know of anybody who does server side crawling and supports password feeds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► But I could be wrong I mean you could as it you could do it but I think at scale it starts to become problematic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► and so that's that's why I've been hesitant to do it it's also just you know among all different feature requests I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► it has been pretty low in a priori live simply because not that many people request it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:01 ◼ ► And I think most pod cast these days that are going to do the password model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2041">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► Generally speaking I think that's fairly outdated in many of them are switching gears having their own apps to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:12 ◼ ► them back in. And there's various reasons why I don't love that approach. But that's three out of the market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2052">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► So I don't have immediate plans to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► but I could do it in the future I don't know if any other interesting things planned for over Test three. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► Even thinking about three yet. No I mean honestly I don't have any. Ending like massive ideas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:34 ◼ ► I've just small ideas I want to do little things I want to do you know a bunch of things that are that would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2074">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► worthy of like two point one two point two like that that kind of update. But I currently have nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► No no concept of what three point zero would be or when it would come out if ever I can I can take the two point X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2084">TS</a>]
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00:36:10 ◼ ► I was at one of my favorite coffee shops. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2170">TS</a>]
00:36:13 ◼ ► And the the owner of the coffee shop said hey I need to update my website you know the computers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2173">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► You know what should I do actually I do and I said just here look. I wrote down Squarespace form. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► He hadn't heard of it because he doesn't with the podcast apparently ever. I wrote on Squarespace form. I said here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► Do this. Trust me this is. All you need and. I'll let you know how that went you know when I go there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:33 ◼ ► But once a month or so we'll follow up in future sponsors and how that went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2193">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► but I'm pretty sure it's gonna work out well. This is a perfect example of exactly interest rates for so anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:42 ◼ ► Check it out start your free trial site today is of I told him to do. No credit card required at square space dot com. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2202">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► Use Code A.T.P. To get ten percent off your first purchase when you sign up. Squarespace build it beautiful. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► Business model changed for overcast to. What once was not free is now free. Yeah basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2216">TS</a>]
00:37:04 ◼ ► So the before the model was a free app with an app purchase for five bucks one time to unlock all the features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2224">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► So that was like there were limits. Certain features around available and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:14 ◼ ► You could pay wants to unlock them all and it worked fine. It wasn't amazing. But was fine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2234">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► The problem was that of course. As these things go it's a one time purchase. And so revenue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:28 ◼ ► You know average revenue per month was going down as as these things tend to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2248">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► And I was you know I had his major new update and I and I had so many people asking me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► You know it is going to be a paid upgrade. There are people on both sides of that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► About half and people who asked for hoping the answer was yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► And a half I'm hoping the answer was No to they wanted to give me more money to you know make sure the apps revived. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► Do they like it a lot so I had so many people who wanted the free updates only people who do want you more money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► And I value it all these different options and the other problem was that. You know by having the app that has limits. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► About twenty percent of the users actually paid a locker and. As far as in our purchase rates go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► That's an incredibly good. Like that's and that's a great conversion rate most people with like a free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► Thing with her paid conversion. They would love a conversion rate twenty percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:15 ◼ ► So I have no complaints about the conversion rate there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2295">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► However that still meant that eighty percent of the Hooters were getting this limited. Terrible version of the app and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► I wasn't using that version. I wouldn't use that version even for a day. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► It was you know annoying to even have these different code paths to test them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:36 ◼ ► And I knew that eighty percent of my users were using a terrible version of the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2316">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► So I switched to a voluntary patronage model. So basically and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:48 ◼ ► This was not actually that new it's very very similar to what I did with Instapaper about halfway through with its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2328">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► So you basically the entire app is free in paper was paper that there was a different story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2335">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► but the entire app is now free. All features are on locked. And you pay. If you want to to support ongoing development. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► And you pay a dollar a month. If you. If you are do that. And so far. That's working. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► I haven't matched my previous income yet. And I don't expect to for a while but I've gotten some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► I've gotten something like forty percent there already I mean after less than a week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► And the feature as it as it is right now is incredibly to a fault. Unintrusive like it's buried. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► It doesn't like if you just launch the app and use it normally you never even see it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► It's only in the settings screen if you think you can one of the settings free and then you'll see it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► Otherwise you don't see it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► and then over time like that's mostly good I just haven't gotten around to making things that like promote it more like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:50 ◼ ► You know I was thinking maybe at the very bottom of the podcast list screen putting the little thing they're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2390">TS</a>]
00:39:54 ◼ ► were supportive of you know if you aren't a monthly patient put a little thing there saying here is what we do or like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2394">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► You know when I want to do. When I add more features. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:02 ◼ ► I can put a like welcome thing up saying here's what's new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2402">TS</a>]
00:40:05 ◼ ► and here's how you can do it if you want to support this sort of stuff that I can do. But I haven't done it yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2405">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► So having having done a really invisible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► Update and to already be about forty percent towards my previous revenue after less than a week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:18 ◼ ► Is I consider that a success that is that is a faster uptake rate than I would've expected. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2418">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► So I'm very happy with that so far. And. Why why free. I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► Don't you want to make money man I mean I heard what you just said about how you've got a pretty good up to uptake on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► this but you know. You said you haven't quite reached year old monthly revenue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► And that seem to be working OK so why mess with the system. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► You know it's you know part of it as I said was like the reasons of satisfying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► I mean I'm at now everybody gets the good app. Right. So all my customers now are using the best features and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► You know that's to me that's important like things like smart speed in voice boost this is why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2455">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► My entire customer audio engineer exists. This is why I had to write all that this is why you can't you just use a V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► Player and. It's a big reason that differentiates overcast from the built in pod cast app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► So when you're telling people like you know you should use this app will why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► The big and you know I have other competitors too and that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► but the big the biggest competitor by a long shot is the built an apple podcast app. By a mile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► And so and that comes in it comes with every phone. It comes pre-installed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► As far as I don't even the you can delete it I think it's always there. So the question is like. How do I make anybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► Use my app. Instead of the built an apple pod cast out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► And a lot of the features that I love behind that paywall before. Apple give those away free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► So that really it was not very competitive with Apple's app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:50 ◼ ► And so before I had the scheme where the app was free for you know some of the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2510">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► and then you pay to get everything so if it was always free for most people and pay for some. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2515">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► And now it is still free for most people and pay from some. But I just changed. What they're paying for and why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► And in the result. The result of that is a much simpler app. That's much better for everybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► So that's why I think it's a win because it's still like it was always free for most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► and I make money somewhere in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:28 ◼ ► And now it still is that it's still free for most people I make money somewhere in there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2548">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► Again I've use I just changed. The specifics of how that's done. But it's still making money. It's still profitable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► And over the long term. It's probably going to be just as profitable if not more so because as I mentioned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► You know this is not my first paid app. I've seen this train before. That's not to say. Now it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► I've seen this train before. I know had discos after my first year. Where I did this big thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2573">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► And I keep giving free updates. Average monthly revenue goes down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► Because I start to reach actuation among my existing audience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:08 ◼ ► Of like the people who bought it last year when I launched it. You know over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2588">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► I'm not making any more money from those people. And still giving all these new features for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:17 ◼ ► If I do a paid upgrade that has all the rest of the problems people generally hate those over time if I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2597">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► stuck with the old model. That was a downward slope of the revenue. That was it was slow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► I was still I was still doing OK. But the trend line was clearly slowly going down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► And that's what happens to every paid app that I've ever seen. So with this. I feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► First of all with this I think the trend line will slowly go up. That's a huge improvement there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► And it also kind of levels out a lot more. You know I more predictable income and and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► And it gives people a way to give me more money if they want to. And so I really just saw a lot of problems. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► And I don't think it's any. I don't think it's that crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► You know when you when you look at it as how it is President minute ago it's just like. It was free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► For most people and some people pay before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► And now it still is just those things you do just what you pay for is different. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► If you look at that way I don't think it's that crazy. Well yeah but that's all fine for Marco right. God this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► Yeah you know the fact this was all true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:23 ◼ ► All Do you know Twitter and blogs arm of this morning I want to get really into it on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2663">TS</a>]
00:44:26 ◼ ► but the short version is that anytime I do anything. I hear from people saying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2666">TS</a>]
00:44:33 ◼ ► Well that's fine for you know copying the old that's fine for Marlen joke like.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2673">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► Well that's fine for Marco but I can't do that because I don't have X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► Whether it's you know as many Twitter followers as I do or.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► The brand recognition that I do whatever the case may be the P.R. You know that I get want to do things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► Always these options. Always these these arguments of. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► Everything I do is is unique and invalid to to apply to anybody else. And that's just not true. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2695">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► The fact is people are going to convince themselves of that matter what I say so it doesn't really matter is certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► worth arguing. But the short version is that half I took. You know the result that I have that I'm that I'm at now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:16 ◼ ► Of like where my career is now what you know my audience what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2716">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► You know what people expect of me what people want to see from me. Yeah that's hard to replicate in five minutes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► But I've been building it for like ten years. And the ways I have built it over ten years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:31 ◼ ► Are generally accessible to other people. If you also blog for ten years. And pod cast for five years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2731">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► And make a bunch of apps along the way. Then you know then you have a better chance of of having. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► You know the getting the kind of longer attention I can get cetera but also. That want attention. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► Is fleeting it's one time that's it like launch tension alone does not carry things if it did everything I did would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2753">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► succeed. But in fact most of things I do don't succeed. So I stopped doing them. You know like the the magazine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:13 ◼ ► I think a couple days after the launch was the most of crisis it ever had and then she went down from there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2773">TS</a>]
00:46:18 ◼ ► The magazine did not succeed bug shot did not succeed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2778">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► Nursing clock of course was kind of a joke the didn't succeed even. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► I was having trouble keeping Instapaper afloat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► when I sold it that's one of the reverse hold it because it was just not doing that well anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► You know the fact is the things I do. Don't succeed by default I am afford the luxury of of a stronger launched. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► Them A Many people can get. But the value of that launch as I said is is temporary and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► If you know I mean you know look at like our friends who made Vesper right John Gruber Brent Simmons Dave Whiskas these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► people had massive audience especially John Gruber these massive audiences. And yet Vesper hasn't taken over the world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► Obviously the size of your audience is really you know it helps. But it's not all you need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:04 ◼ ► And it's not a guarantee so the people who really need to hear this won't hear it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2824">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► So it doesn't really matter what I say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► But I don't know if they're going to take away from this it is that almost nothing that I've done is unique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► and you know there. There is a road to take here to increase your chances of success. But it might take you ten years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:25 ◼ ► And a lot of work. That's what it took me. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2845">TS</a>]
00:47:28 ◼ ► One of things you've mentioned in the past that was like wanting to get your appetite you mentioned in your blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2848">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► Blog posts that will put in the show notes wanting to get your app into the hands of as many people as possible like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► you're going for market share over profit like rather than selling in ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► and dollar artisanal hand-crafted pod cast out to seventeen people. You want your app to be in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► Hands most people possible as a hedge against what you say big money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:56 ◼ ► Was I was never do you call that you're coming in like that the. You didn't want podcast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2876">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► or Facebook I was their own are controlled by a single company so you want to get your application out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► To the broadest audience possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► and that that is in line with your original pricing model which was free with an app purchased because you reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► barrier to someone. Tapping the little button in the store and getting it on their device. And now again. Same thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► You know if you want it on your device you can have a button you know how to give any money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► Ellie now it's better app when you're download it so there's more chance to people to have the button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► So that all works but one of the complaints from people about your new pricing model has been revolving around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► What effect your or new pricing model may have on the other pod cast clients that are for sale now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► I guess not including Apple's because like they don't care if you do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:52 ◼ ► And maybe not including the big guys that can afford to give away their POV gotten off as any other big guys like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2932">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► but basically other smallish independent. Podcast clients. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:04 ◼ ► Do you think your new pricing model Bull have any effect on to the fortunes of those clients. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2944">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► I don't think it has any more effect than it did before. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► Which is I don't think it has any more effect than what the Apple client has all of us are at a severe disadvantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► because the apple client is built in and pre-installed and free and has most features that most people need built in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► and is real to real so they all your quality is better as that warm sound you just can't get from vinyl Casey. Guys. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► And also like. You know the. When you do a search in the App Store for pod cast or pod casts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► It shows this giant banner up top. For the built in pod cast app to promote that to basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:51 ◼ ► Divert your attention back to that to dissuade you from getting another pod cast app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2991">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► If you actually search the App Store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2996">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► And you can even delete that you can even delete that Apple here Phone So it's not as if you need to download it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► the store like you have it. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► So there's a reason why I mean by most estimates I think the pot at the apple pie has something like sixty to ninety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:11 ◼ ► percent market share depending on who you ask I mean it's a massive massive player and that market your number. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3011">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► As far as you know is not going down. So that's a huge advantage for anybody enter the market. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► In the sense that you know I still ask people for money but just you know now you can get all the features for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:32 ◼ ► It's a valid question that like you know my. You know killing these smaller apps. I don't think I am. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3032">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► I don't think I'm I think I am. First of all competing. And this is something that they can do if they want to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:46 ◼ ► By most estimates that I had that in that I've been able to piece together from like rank data. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3046">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► I think they're all making more money than me doing what they're doing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:55 ◼ ► So they've now grossing me I think for the whole for the year. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3055">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► Or at least coming very close or are being very close so I think they're doing fine you know when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► when you have this giant built in app. That is. You know those in the phone free very full featured. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:11 ◼ ► Look at like the notes app is another good example of this or any of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3071">TS</a>]
00:51:15 ◼ ► but you know the I was whether at any of the built and i OS apps calculator. I mean all the reminders all the stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3075">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► There are markets. For all of those apps. In the App Store. There for third party version of those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► And they're often very healthy markets. With many different competitors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► And even of Apple's app takes like you know the eighty percent ever. That still leaves a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:37 ◼ ► And I had a problem today with a reading list and as far as I could tell reading list. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3097">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► Never really had much of an effect Instapaper either way didn't seem like a negative or positive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► Because the thing is when you're making an app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► The Especially something as complex as a pod cast as the sum of all your little decisions along the way which is tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► of little time design decisions. The sum of all those decisions. Is what makes the app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3117">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► Fit people are not fit people whether it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► Whether it kind of matches with the way you think about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► or whether it conflicts with what you think about things. Whether it's a design you like or you don't like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► Before you even get to features or price those are all considerations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► And because people have different preferences of what they want. How they want to look how they want to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► What features they need and don't need. That creates tons of market potential for other apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:27 ◼ ► In every category even categories that Apple already has a built in thing up front for the fact that I came into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3147">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► category. And I give my app away for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► I don't think I think it's the same counsel had I think it's the same situation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:40 ◼ ► That the ass of always been in before like apps that provide something that people want that do things a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3160">TS</a>]
00:52:47 ◼ ► differently than the built in water now than mine. Those will find audiences. The same way minded. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3167">TS</a>]
00:52:52 ◼ ► You know they will find audiences. Regardless of what how much my app costs. All right so next question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3172">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► If it turns out that changing your pricing this way. Did reduce the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► You know the sales of competing applications to a degree that maybe wanted to ism drop off or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:11 ◼ ► How how does that fit in with your goals of trying to make sure big money doesn't come are they going to buy guessing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3191">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► is it does it not affected at all as a negative as a positive. And how would you feel about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► Well I would feel pretty bad if I actually like killed someone else's app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► But I have seen very little evidence to suggest that that kind of thing has ever happened and I US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► or any software market for that matter. That's not really how things tend to go. Usually apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► Die or become on his have fuller or you know. Non economical to continue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► Because they themselves just kind of didn't do that well. Maintaining their own app or keeping their own users around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► I had to save you know when I when I had Instapaper. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► I learned this pretty well too that I was always worried about my competition I was always worried. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:59 ◼ ► I talked with that XO Xcel like I was always worry about like you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3239">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► What if somebody comes in tomorrow and takes all my users away. And I never happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► Lots of new competitors came around. Some of them very big some of them completely free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► In fact most of them completely free. Some of them from big companies. Some of them Apple and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:19 ◼ ► It never seem to make any difference whatsoever because people who don't people had chosen me. For lots of reasons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3259">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► And my app was was kind of mine to screw up. Or you know if it was mine to neglect or whatever the case may be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► So if a pod cast app goes away. If it shuts down. Which insta cast did. This past. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:41 ◼ ► Six months ago maybe insta cast did but I talked to the creator of that in the past and it's you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3281">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► I think he was having trouble for a while keeping it up. So I don't think I had anything to do with that really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► If an app goes away. Yes I would feel bad if it was my fault. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:56 ◼ ► But I would have a really hard time believing that it was really my fault. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3296">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► Furthermore if being you know free up front for this past year. If that was really a big deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► My market share we've bigger. But it isn't like Pocket Kass is the greatest counterexample this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► Pocket cast has way more users than I do way more. They make way more money than I do. By a large amount. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:25 ◼ ► They are on both platforms. They have a staff to maintain it. Like their pocket cast is. By all objective measures. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3325">TS</a>]
00:55:31 ◼ ► Kicking my butt. And they're paid up front. And they've been paid or from the entire time that I've been free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3331">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► So I don't you know and the reason why people choose pocket gas is not because that. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:44 ◼ ► Oh this is for five dollars or whatever they try to have no the charge whatever it is. It's not because of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3344">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► It's because they just like it better or it does things that mine doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► or search platform that I don't serve like. It's for other reasons. So I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3354">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► I think people are putting way more emphasis on this pricing model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:05 ◼ ► Then I think it's warranted for the big picture thing though. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3365">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► Ignoring whether you are the cause of it are are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:15 ◼ ► or not is it better for keeping podcasts from being Facebook eyes there whatever. Is it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3375">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► Do you want to see lots of third party. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► Clients out there for pod cast earth do you not really care as long as the overall market share between. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:35 ◼ ► and the little guys is the same even if that be the little guys share divvied up between five people seven people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3395">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► twelve people to people. You know really care. My goal here is diversity in the ecosystem. So it's not point of view. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► A large number of smaller clients. Is better. However I you know we've had a large number of small clients for years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► And we haven't made meaningful. Inroads into. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► You know getting See the get market share overall for the independent category. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► You know the winners have always been Apple's podcast app. And then you know down a while then stitcher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► And then things like. I heart and tune in there are kind of not quite pod cast players. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► Now you have things like Spotify the getting into podcasts and that so it's only going to continue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► but you also need some big players that can be big enough to attract people away from those other ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► And that's what I'm trying to be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► You know stitcher I think by most measures had something like five percent of the entire progress player market that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:38 ◼ ► a lot. I'm trying to reach that kind of level. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3458">TS</a>]
00:57:40 ◼ ► I know I'm not going to have like fifty percent or more I guess crazy talk. I would love to reach five percent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3460">TS</a>]
00:57:48 ◼ ► But I love to get there is an Apple kind of a good guy in a scenario because even though they're big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3468">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► and have all of the money everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► There are there are sort of vague disinterest in pod cast means that like their player just reads R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► Feeds right they're not they're not trying to open up pay walls are not trying to grab copywriter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► and start their own admins of people if I guess there's seem pretty sort of benign. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:09 ◼ ► Kind of doddering is to build an app that works OK works better now than it used to but it's straight out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3489">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► Podcast app right there's no there's not even any weird i Tunes the air around snapping in there it. Oh. Correct. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► But I don't want to buy guns I don't like there's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► but I'm saying like in terms of the openness versus closeness like you can totally see how like stitcher in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► scenario like something like stitcher is more the enemy. In terms of. They want. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► I don't know if they want control of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► but every Their view of the podcast world is like through the lens of stitcher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:44 ◼ ► Right it is defeat is a different kind of deal than well. People just put up R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3524">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► Feeds that is what the client up the crawls them and lets people listen to the things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► That's what you're trying to preserve essentially what we have now which is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► Hey so you want to broadcast it's just an R.S.S. Feed with a bunch of attachments. Anybody can do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:00 ◼ ► If you want to get listed in the big popular directories like i Tunes or know what else is out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3540">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► There's no barrier to that entry Apple is not like the gatekeeper they don't like charge you money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:10 ◼ ► or require that Apple as be put in front of your stuff or whatever it's all pretty open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3550">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► and straightforward kind of like blogging. Used to be unkind and. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► We'll talk about medium in a little bit but anyway. Like like walking with in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► The old days where it's very open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► and it seems to me that a boy you're trying to guard against is the new world where it's like it well if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:30 ◼ ► have a podcast you have to go through stitcher and stitcher gets X percentage of your profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3570">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► and then like the App Store and navigate keeper. Servant thing in the volved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► And they reserve the right there in sort of their own as into your things in the resell your consonantal I'm making up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► I have no idea what stitchers dealers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:46 ◼ ► but the idea that are like Facebook like where else do you want your articles to be shown Facebook Facebook controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3586">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► what gets into Facebook Facebook can copy your stuff and republish it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► and Facebook instant articles are a thing that you have to write to it's not like they just pull your stuff anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:04 ◼ ► My correcting trying to get a handle on what it is that you're the doomsday scenario that doesn't get exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3604">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► but you're trying to avoid. Yes. So. So you need to go back stitcher for a second. The fan I like about stitcher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► Is that they they have their own proprietary directory and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► So it's not a general purpose Pod has player can only play their pod casts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► And if you agree to be one of their pod casts. They call your feed they get updates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► They download your episodes and rehearsed of them themselves. So you don't see the download numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► and conflicting possibly with the ads that you might have a transcoder audio quality to be terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► and not so much actually required you to promote stitcher on the under shows which should be why you always hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► posture saying Find us on i Tunes and stitcher because they have to. And we decided with the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3654">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► Early on when people when we got a couple of emails saying why aren't you want to cheer I can't listen to you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► We decided early on. Based on the apparent volume being fairly low. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► That we didn't think it was worth being on stitchers we didn't really. We weren't very happy with those terms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► And so we decided you know it's not worth it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► We don't want to do that and all the only reason we had the option to say no is because teachers market share. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► Was only like you know. Five percent or whatever. If they got any bigger than that it would be really hard to say no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► So imagine what if they had fifteen percent twenty percent. That becomes real numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► And so imagine like big publishers. Like you know. Gimlet or slate or. You know radio totally big publishers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► If some players in the market. Like that and they start dictating terms like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► They basically have to the greed of them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► You know they they don't have the luxury to say no to something that's controlling. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3716">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► Possibly you know fifteen or twenty percent of the market. That's a huge huge problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► A player doesn't have to get to a majority stake. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:08 ◼ ► Fifty percent so you know they don't have to get that big to be able to dictate terms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3728">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► And I don't want to reach that point we've come dangerously close a few times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► I really don't want to reach that point in this medium and even more you know Facebook as you wait worse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► Obviously because they have by I think most helpless would tell you that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► More than fifty percent of traffic comes from Facebook like it's crazy how much traffic Facebook drives. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► So you know we at least in this medium we have the freedom that we don't have those middlemen who can dictate so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► terms to us yet. However Apple is one.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► And granted a pod cast out you know most pocket subs you can subscribe to any U.R.L. No matter where you know any U.R.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► and That's an artist feed you can survive to it in the Apple play it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► But Apple still Apple runs the i Tunes podcast directory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:57 ◼ ► And that directory is the center of all knowledge of podcast for a vast majority of pod cast players apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3777">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► and otherwise. And Apple has rules like I think that disallow like adult stuff and so forth that but anyway. Right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► Apple is pretty hands off with their directory. Right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► You know they have this giant market share in both the directory side and in the in the player app side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► But they've mostly been hands off as you said it mostly kind of ignored it. But what happens if they don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► You know like what happens if they start using that power they have and making changes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► They probably won't because podcasting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:35 ◼ ► You know the reason why they haven't really touched it much so far as far as I can tell is because it just was never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3815">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► that important to them relative to everything else they do to this giant company with these giant products to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► negotiate it was passing was always so small that it wasn't worth them. Messing around with really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► But pocketing is growing and Apple is getting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► I don't know possibly a little bit desperate and relevance on the music side. So that might change. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► Not only do I want to make sure that nobody else comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► and gets enough market share to be able to dictate terms to every pocket publisher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► But I also would like to eat away at Apple share a little bit because I'm not comfortable with anybody. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► Having that much power over. Over a market. Even when it is Apple in the end they've been pretty good about it so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► You know the the other side of this is. Suppose you want to do online video online video is just You Tube. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► These days like you might as well just say You Tube because that's what online video means to most people. You Tube. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► It is so dominated by one company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► And also that company is constantly messing with the terms and constantly changing the way it works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:40 ◼ ► They are they are really not a great owner of that. Entire medium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3880">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► Because they have shown over and over again that they're willing to change things around for their own benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► and to be opaque and to to make changes that might be in your own best interest of the publisher and things like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:54 ◼ ► But if you try to publish video. Really anywhere except you tube. And it's very hard to get any viewership. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3894">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► So I don't want pod cast to ever reach that point. Right now they are vulnerable to that with Apple's market share. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► That only you know Apple is not the kind of company to do that generally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► But you know things change people change companies change anything can happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► So ideally I would like to diversify the market so much that. Not only does nobody get the power determines. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► But that Apple doesn't have the power either. You don't have to post your video to Facebook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► Huge of behavior ship you just posted a Facebook. Yeah there's that issue as well. Maybe you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► Maybe it's a do up your is she was your poise and exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► The two giants fight each other over who has not because yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► I think we're all stuff far protected by a pod gas being such a drop in the bucket. But you know I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► Like I mean every time I see stories about you know. New podcast initiatives the whole cereal thing and even the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► You know that friend of yours or the gimlet media something like that anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► Any time those stories go in you know when Pod gets get rediscovered by the mass media briefly for on the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► or three year cycle that it's on. People get excited to about being a thing but then it's kind of like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► I'm not sure if it ever crosses the threshold into a matter of real mass media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3981">TS</a>]
01:06:28 ◼ ► and I'm not sure of even cross the threshold into like reading like has in books or you know paper books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3988">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► or your books which I still think is just a massively larger business and podcasts. Will ever be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► So could be the ecosystem is never interesting enough for Apple to wake up and try to wrest control of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► Yeah I don't know what the hedge is against that the hedge is the hedge you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► and your little mice equal database with a bunch of podcasts and it is that it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► That always got it just you know I don't know or stitcher. That's not you know. No I mean like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► Ideally the hedge is lots of other people who has the who has a directory because you have your own directory right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► that's what Yeah I have my own. But I will still search i Tunes as a fallback. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► You know to get stuff that I if I can't find anything right. Well so who else has their own directory at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► Microsoft has one. I don't know how big it is. But they do have one. There's a kind of like one or two others around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:23 ◼ ► I know Google I've heard many very very strong rumblings that Google is working on a major pod cast initiative. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4043">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► I don't know anything about it but I know they're working on a major progress addition I bet it involves ads. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:39 ◼ ► And I think about it but right and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4059">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► and again like this is how much power do you want Google to have over this medium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► The more diverse we can get it to be. The less they can dictate terms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► So this is this is not going to stay still podcasts are becoming big. They're getting lots of attention. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► We have to be very defensive and skeptical about how this is going to go in the future we have to like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:05 ◼ ► I think it's really worth fighting for this and. Because we lost. Video long ago right at the start we lost. Text. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4085">TS</a>]
01:08:13 ◼ ► Mostly. Now the these days. I don't want to lose podcasting to these big private centralized proprietary things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4093">TS</a>]
01:08:22 ◼ ► You know it's probably protecting podcasts right now is the incompetence of car makers because I thought that's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4102">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► kind of the linchpin like when we were kids. Radio dominated because cars had radios in them like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► I think in the in the home. The and the advent of television. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► Replaced radio for a lot of things all the people still had radios at work wherever listen to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► We're you know trust your radio it's been all screwed up or whatever. And the replacement of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► You know a podcast of the replacement they're independent you get what you want there. You know free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► They're all Internet powered and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► Once our cars can all play a podcast using their ubiquitous Internet connections and their apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► That's been such a mess like it's clearly not there yet if you can snap your fingers and say starting now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:04 ◼ ► Every car you buy anywhere in the world can play any pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4144">TS</a>]
01:09:09 ◼ ► And it's like well podcast a really made it now because then people who have never heard of POD guess that it's grow up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4149">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► in a world where you go into a car. And you somehow search for YOU KNOW THIS AMERICAN LIFE. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:19 ◼ ► And it plays that whenever you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4159">TS</a>]
01:09:21 ◼ ► And you don't know how it happens in the same way that you grew up in a car and you press the little preset button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4161">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► And the radio station comes on you listen to music right. That is the. The final form. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► If you will of podcasts and that is the true replacement for radio only it's on demand and it's diversified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► and whatever. But you can get that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► If Facebook owns podcast or Google on Spike as in fact it may come faster of one company owns pod casts or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► I'm trying to division a world in which a car makers get their acts together. To actually. You know sort of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:53 ◼ ► I don't know. It's not like agreeing on a standard but like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4193">TS</a>]
01:09:56 ◼ ► If you get everyone in a room and say we all agree right podcast or just an R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4196">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► Feed and that's where they come from and no one is going to support any particular company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:04 ◼ ► But if one of those companies got big if it was Google or Apple or Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4204">TS</a>]
01:10:07 ◼ ► or even a stitcher gets bigger something and somehow. You know what kind of like a X.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4207">TS</a>]
01:10:12 ◼ ► Radio on Sirius got their claws into the audience auto industry for a while there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4212">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► Where I like it used to be you can get radio in your thing and you get satellite radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► and I was one of two companies and they merged. They parked right those two. Yeah one one bought the other one out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► Luckily satellite radio was terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:27 ◼ ► So the worry too much about that like technology was their limitations there that aren't going to you know. GO BIG BUT. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4227">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► The final iteration of cars is hey a car is that Internet connection then cars can listen to music and they give us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:41 ◼ ► and. You know music is already. Proprietary eyes to whatever the word as you know it Spotify example music gets R.D.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4241">TS</a>]
01:10:50 ◼ ► So there's no hope of that being like oh we just add support for this protocol anyone can publish you know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4250">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► already proprietary podcast have a chance of a chance Len chance of remaining in the sort of neutral open state long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4256">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► enough for cars to get their app act together. Such that all cars have some crappy podcast player in them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► And once the ball starts rolling on that if it gets going it could end up being like like the web I guess is the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► example of like the Web got out the door before anyone can really get control of it Microsoft tried. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► And basically fell but you can make something with the web browser now. And it can browse the web. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:27 ◼ ► You know the Web browser engines are open source you can make one of the Make A lot of Web page. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4287">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► That's not only controlled by a single company. Podcast have a chance of that but right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:35 ◼ ► I think the expectation is of that if person buys a new car. That car cannot play a pod cast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4295">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► Except perhaps through a Bluetooth integration with their i Phone using an application I think that is still too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► complicated for most people most of us want to go into a car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► And like have a preset button that the favor pod casting press plane a star play the next up letter sent like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► The example of some of satellite radio I think was the was the best counter-example to this which is that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► satellite radio. That you know you're right came in. It got a got great integration into cars where we're now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:08 ◼ ► Almost every car that you buy in the US at least has an option for satellite radio many of them even bundled into other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4328">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► packages that you might get anyway. So there it's very it's very common. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► But you had to pay for it which is a real killer like obviously pocket integration wouldn't be like oh you have to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:25 ◼ ► X. Dollars a month. Right but either way like the hardware was there. And it still hasn't caught on and I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4345">TS</a>]
01:12:33 ◼ ► I think what will protect podcast in the car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4353">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► From that kind of like Begin to Gratian deal kind of world is the same thing that has made satellite radio even less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:42 ◼ ► relevant today than it was before. Which is my always say. Don't bet against the smartphone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4362">TS</a>]
01:12:49 ◼ ► The smartphone is what is what is killing satellite radio finally I mean satellite radios been like kind of half dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4369">TS</a>]
01:12:55 ◼ ► for a long time. I mean forever. But it's the smartphone will kill it for good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4375">TS</a>]
01:13:01 ◼ ► The fact is like Internet connected cars like I think this is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4381">TS</a>]
01:13:06 ◼ ► This is probably like a half step well through through your phone like obviously I'm not saying you're going to pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4386">TS</a>]
01:13:11 ◼ ► but that would be if that would be a payment thing too I was going to pay for your cell access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4391">TS</a>]
01:13:14 ◼ ► and then you can have a home with you when you're in a car but I feel like it's not there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4394">TS</a>]
01:13:17 ◼ ► Like as someone who owns probably the lowest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4397">TS</a>]
01:13:19 ◼ ► and possible car you can get that does connect to your phone play audience it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4399">TS</a>]
01:13:24 ◼ ► but it is not the type of thing that I would say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4404">TS</a>]
01:13:27 ◼ ► Just get this car and it will just you know you want to do anything you know just figure it out and it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4407">TS</a>]
01:13:32 ◼ ► It's really slow sometimes a Bluetooth doesn't connect the ties into Gerber's no carry the bluetooth is the worst thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4412">TS</a>]
01:13:38 ◼ ► ever and preventing the future of Internet of Things that whatever but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4418">TS</a>]
01:13:42 ◼ ► But honestly like sometimes it doesn't connect a Bluetooth audio sometimes takes a long time you can't tell if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4422">TS</a>]
01:13:47 ◼ ► working it's not going to talk to a bluetooth on and off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4427">TS</a>]
01:13:49 ◼ ► When it does work there's enough of a delay that you're not quite sure whether it's working as you have to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4429">TS</a>]
01:13:53 ◼ ► whether you set there and wait for the audio just to switch over whether you start driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4433">TS</a>]
01:13:56 ◼ ► and hope that it will like it's not a seamless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4436">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► It's still can I feel like it's still a nerd experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:01 ◼ ► but you're right that's the way it has to go we don't going to pay a separate monthly fee for there. Although. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4441">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► Boy I don't have a rising but they would love that they could charge money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:10 ◼ ► but no one really wants to pay a separate monthly fee for the card to have Internet access. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4450">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► And if you're going to have your phone with you anyway. Really just need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► You know good car interment getting back like a car play and all you know good. Smartphone car integration. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► Once that becomes. I think we're all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:28 ◼ ► So do you think where there were the audio for for i Pod car into Gratian we kind of had that nice period where it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4468">TS</a>]
01:14:34 ◼ ► like car said thirty pin connectors in them or a U.S.B. Type thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4474">TS</a>]
01:14:37 ◼ ► And you would have ipod integration I thought that worked pretty reliably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4477">TS</a>]
01:14:40 ◼ ► but that was obviously a pre wireless technology. I mean I think we're. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4480">TS</a>]
01:14:45 ◼ ► I think we are really pretty much there now for Bluetooth thought. Oh and which is even better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4485">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► Bluetooth is so much about him B.M.W. Is not I either. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► Even other cars like everything if I get rental cars a triad I know other people who try it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► Usually Blues who the audience is not perfect but most of the time pretty good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► You know the audios finances the connection like is I have bluetooth audio that's not you know I'm talking about with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:10 ◼ ► the integration like you need more sophisticated integration for progress to go on actually put up an onscreen display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4510">TS</a>]
01:15:15 ◼ ► the gives you more than just Mehta data as if it's a music track like you'd like to be able to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4515">TS</a>]
01:15:20 ◼ ► I don't know but that's all you need. I mean like when you when you're playing in the car like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4520">TS</a>]
01:15:23 ◼ ► That's all that's all I need. You know one of the reasons why I haven't explored. Options like making a like a B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4523">TS</a>]
01:15:31 ◼ ► App for it. One of the reasons why is because the Bluetooth integration is just good enough. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4531">TS</a>]
01:15:38 ◼ ► It's really really convenient that used to get in the car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4538">TS</a>]
01:15:42 ◼ ► And the phone and the phone can stay in your pocket you just get in the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4542">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► and a few seconds later it starts playing your podcast right real left off on your phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:50 ◼ ► Much more than a few seconds in crappy cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4550">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► and sometimes never forgive him inexplicably doesn't connect like I'll not saying is that I think that's not that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► there yet for regular people like it's not it's not the type of thing where you can just assure somebody do you have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:03 ◼ ► Do you have a smartphone. Period. When you buy a new car. Any car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4563">TS</a>]
01:16:08 ◼ ► You will be able to listen to podcasts in the car and there's nothing only to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4568">TS</a>]
01:16:11 ◼ ► and no manual you need to read no fussing yelling to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4571">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► or no cabbie outs about remember don't start driving to the audio place because it may not be connected to Bluetooth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:17 ◼ ► And you better take care of that before you start moving otherwise you'll be trying to use that screen while you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4577">TS</a>]
01:16:21 ◼ ► moving you're going to run over a kid. You know John maybe it's time for you to buy a nice car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4581">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► I'm saying like most people are buying cars like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► and also buying cars don't have any platoon the Gratian at this point so it's I think it's starting to get really true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► I don't know a lot of very very cheap cars like my brother in law just got a brand new Civic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► and admitted leader cheaper cars in the Civic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:44 ◼ ► but I think the Civic is kind of a decent barometer for what a reasonably priced car is these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4604">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► and his has what I would call comfort access it has you know the proximity key. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:55 ◼ ► I believe in its Bluetooth it has a humongous touchscreen on it which I don't think is navigation other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4615">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► So there are options. Those are all options. Sure but I mean I don't know a lot of people that buy a truly strict car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► I mean you didn't buy a truly stripped car you didn't get the best. Package. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:12 ◼ ► My first car didn't matter of a passenger side mirrors on talking about the head or all up windows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4632">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► I'm surprised it was legal to not have a window like the Emmy a mirror. Like that's great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:23 ◼ ► He's a very old Martha car the car is really the car was really small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4643">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► and honestly like if you want to get used to it not being there. I don't know. It wasn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► I wanted like about obviously with the asymmetry like a sense of setting there's no way doesn't have the right. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:39 ◼ ► It was fun. Also the cool like a little joystick that controlled mirrors like instead of power mirrors at the little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4659">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► Everything was manual. Nice. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► This is all getting off track of the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:51 ◼ ► and I've never I feel like that is the what with this podcast of like old these stories in the paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4671">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► and pockets are big and about the money involved in as the season is serial and ball law. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► I feel like we're not over the hump yet. With podcasts. We didn't like and to give an example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► We got over the hump with like digital music. I Pods are everywhere. I Pod swept away. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► Didn't use except the way. Did a music on plastic desks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► Was swept away by digital music on little tiny hard drives and eventually flash ips and stuff so that Rev. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► I'm happened. The podcast. Supplanting radio talk radio for most people. I thought has not happened. Talk radio. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► As terrible as it is. I think is still the dominant form of people listening to other people talking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► Yeah but I do think pod casting is replacing it you know it's just it's not happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► Rapidly but it is happening I mean if you look at most like podcast. You know growth grass or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► Over the last few years. It doesn't appear to be accelerating rapidly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:55 ◼ ► It's just going up slowly and steadily the way it always has and I think that's not going to continue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4735">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► You know it's just. It is slowly steadily getting more popular. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:05 ◼ ► It is not really ever going down and so over time it will replace talk radio. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4745">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► For most people just it'll take a while I mean a lot of people still read newspapers or I mean it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► But I that's not a growth industry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:20 ◼ ► So I think we have I think we are really in the early days of a transition that is definitely happening. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4760">TS</a>]
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01:21:49 ◼ ► Blogging platform you decided to post here. Which one do one of the ones about the new version of our guest on medium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► Yes a proprietary platform. Under control by a single company. I cross posted to make a better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4916">TS</a>]
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01:22:21 ◼ ► Of a blogging platform really it's you know it's a glorified social blogging platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► There's only so much of understanding you can really have that actually blocking on it at least once. So. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► This company is so big I think it's unwise to be unfamiliar with it especially as you know they aren't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► The biggest company on the web but they are incredibly influential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► and incredibly popular among people like in our circles among with the tech people. The early adopters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► The kind of tech media space. It is disproportionately popular among that crowd so. I want to understand it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► Why is that do you think. Why is a popular with that crowd. So. So having used it for one post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► With This is not a lot of experience but a flop more than you have right. Having used for one post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► I can say that the editor is fine. Everyone has the music it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/4990">TS</a>]
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01:23:33 ◼ ► But you know getting all the feedback right there to see like all the different people people you know who would heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► recommend like it or whatever and then you know his little book. Highlights and everything and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► Yes a few of the comments for kind of interesting. So it was nice to have that level of instant feedback it was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► It was like the way Twitter provide instant feedback when you tweet things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:58 ◼ ► It was like that but you know different and more of it and directly on the blog post like Tom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5038">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► Like tumbler of the bottom or psych who you know really whatever that someone has a similar thing or doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► Yeah in line on the right margin but you know you could post something on tumblr [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► and immediately see a bunch of little people's Avatar icons appear on the bottom. Exactly exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► So it's very similar tumblr but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5056">TS</a>]
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01:24:25 ◼ ► But very few people will read it because it's a that's not really the mood you're in your browsing tumbler you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► like a skimming mode because that's all the rest of the content is a scam a bull stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5071">TS</a>]
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01:24:40 ◼ ► That's the whole point of the service is to read people's text. That is the whole point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:45 ◼ ► And it's so it's normal to go there and see something that has twelve paragraphs long. So I decided yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5085">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► I want to try I wanted to see what it was like. And the feedback. And the community aspect of it. Do seem pretty nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5092">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► In the past I've been critical of medium because I've said which I still agree with that you are not writing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► yourself you're writing for medium. You know in the same way like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► When he when you give Twitter homes your content there. You know you're really doing Twitter big favor. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► Yourself you know you're kind of it's. It's of mixed value. Right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► So the reason why you might want to publish on medium. Now. If. If what your if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:29 ◼ ► If your goal your primary goal is not like to become a writer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5129">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► Necessarily or to to have people to develop your own audience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:37 ◼ ► But like to spread a message to to spread some idea to spread some like you know. A post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5137">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► If your main job isn't writing. And your writing it for some other reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► Like to make an argument or to promote something or whatever the case may be. It is really good for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► And so I kind of wants to try for that from that point of view like. I'm writing this post that is it is an idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► It is kind of to promote overcast. Or is that that's an ancillary benefit of it. My site has been pretty slow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► Recently. That's totally my fault of course. So like the idea of like taking any attention away from my site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► You know that there wasn't much attention on my site to begin with wasn't it wasn't that big of an expense to try it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:25 ◼ ► It also was an exclusive they don't require it to be exclusive so I got to have all those benefits of all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5185">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► attention there. While not taking away from my site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► Why does a why this medium get you more attention than you posting on your own side though that is to your else on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► Web Why is it the one posting it to your site and posting it to me in water more people see it on medium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► That is a very good and very relevant question and I don't know the overall answer to that. But certainly you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► You can kind of tell on the web to day. It is pretty hard to get good traffic to a blog post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5213">TS</a>]
01:27:00 ◼ ► It is much easier to get good traffic in social environments. And the fact is you've got to go where the readers are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5220">TS</a>]
01:27:08 ◼ ► You know if you if you want something to spread like that you have to go where the people actually go where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5228">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► consumers are. And for the kinds of things I was writing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► Medium has a whole lot of those Yeah but where I mean like physically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► Mechanically speaking what how are the people there how does anyone find your post on Medium other than seeing you link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► I don't understand obviously I don't use the service so I don't understand well there's like there's like social [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► recommendations and there's like you know top of the did in this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► You know this time period are among your friends or whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:37 ◼ ► So kind of like like like tech memory whatever you think people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5257">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► or medium I know there is a follower thing because I was getting e-mail saying people followed me a medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:45 ◼ ► and I feel bad because I don't think I've ever written anything there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5265">TS</a>]
01:27:48 ◼ ► but anyway so you have an account you have followers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5268">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► and presumably if I ever posted something the media my seventeen followers on medium would see that I posted it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► But are people I guess like using it kind of like Reddit where you go to the front page of medium and look at the top. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5274">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► Things top voted by people you follow or something. I suppose I mean I haven't been using it enough to know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► I mean I'm a nut. None of us are doing that obviously right I mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:10 ◼ ► Whenever I see a lot of media and post your I but when I see them. I threw them into it's basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5290">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► That's where I see like links to media. And then that and that contacts from my perspective. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► That could just as easily have been like the market organ and would have seen it as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:23 ◼ ► but maybe other people are using medium differently and they're going to it like they go to Reddit pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5303">TS</a>]
01:28:27 ◼ ► and just Or like tech memory until I got in just going to the what the hell is the front page of me I'm like oh look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5307">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► it's like since like editorial collections of stuff I think. So in in recent years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► Every time I write a post on my site these days. I also tweet about it. And the main reason I do that is because. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► As The fact is way more people are reading Twitter. Than browsing than than subscribe to my R.S.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► Feed and checking my R.S.S. Feed. Regularly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► And also Twitter provides feedback mechanisms and ways for people to spread it with three tweets and links [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5334">TS</a>]
01:29:01 ◼ ► and Reeve logs or whatever so there's all these all these values that Twitter brings me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5341">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► In in my publishing medium is another one of these venues where there is a lot of activity happening there is a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► people reading it. There's a lot of people. Recommending and sharing stuff there to other people there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► And so the idea of cross posting make your posts there doesn't sound like crazy to me more because now you know as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► said like. I don't think medium is a good idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► If you have like John Gruber shouldn't be publishing his main articles on medium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► Because he has already a giant audience for his site. And that is his business that is his main business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:42 ◼ ► My site is no longer my main business and never really was. But you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5382">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► The ads on my site are are decreasingly necessary for my business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:52 ◼ ► Meanwhile the ideas I'm talking about deep things I'm linking to things I'm promoting my apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5392">TS</a>]
01:29:59 ◼ ► My own brand all these things are becoming more more important to me over time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5399">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► Relative to how many people go to my blog. And if. If the people who use medium. Are going to be reading my stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:13 ◼ ► In medium. The alternative I think is not that they would come to my site and read it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5413">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► Necessarily as the alternative is more likely that they just wouldn't read it. So I can still like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:24 ◼ ► I don't I don't really see the harm in people who are who have the kind of goals I have which is not to develop a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5424">TS</a>]
01:30:31 ◼ ► following on my site. Only. But you know to to maintain my site and to write things on something I own. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5431">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► But to also go to where the people are. Because the things I'm writing. Have more value to me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► The more people read them. I guess I'm the Marco and the scenario because I would I'm also. I'm also not trying to my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► My site is not a business that does not have ads on a number has a did has no readers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► but I was still never put anything there on medium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:56 ◼ ► And I maybe it's because I also don't care people actually find and read it you know I just feel like I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5456">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► Why would I give them something that I wrote unless they paid me a lesson like freelance writing is like a well songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► to pay me to write something for their side that's the same deal that I would do with any other side Sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► You know if I met them in the mood to do freelance writing and someone you know I picked someone an idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► or they pitch me hey would you want to write this either say yes or no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:19 ◼ ► but outside of the realm of freelance writing I just had an idea and wanted to write it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5479">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► I would put it on my blog that nobody reads. And I would never put it on medium for free. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► But I guess I mean I don't have any of the remote if you do have something to promote their Like I'm also I guess I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► not concerned with trying to get my message out but I think that's the main difference like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► I don't think it matters whether it's my you know. It's not a business at all for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► and I said I guess this has to go down to Do you care about getting this to the widest number of people posits a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:50 ◼ ► I don't post links to my stuff to Facebook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5510">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► I bet that would get more people to read it but it's just not what I do you know. You don't face with people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► Well you know. I went through the feedback anyway it's my side doesn't have any comments. Now that me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► So you know basically. I think there's a spectrum of like what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► What is right to do and what feels right for you to do cross posting. Significant post to medium. I think is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► Somewhere along the spectrum. But further along it of course. Then linking to everything you write from Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► Like they're both ways. To go where the people are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► And to try to build value for yourself somehow in the case of leaking from Twitter that's better for you because your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► But you know given someone else here words to you they're not saying because I'm pondering over the deal is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► when you put it on medium but I'm sure they have some rights to it once you pay the entire text box. Sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► I mean they have to leave have the right to life display it and you know move it around copy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► and stuff like that so show ads against that God knows what that are right so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► So the question is What do you know what are your needs. For what you're writing what are you going for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► If you're going for maximum spread. I would say it is wise to crosspost things there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5574">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► If you're going for building up your own site. Then probably isn't. But it depends you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:07 ◼ ► It might be a way to help you get started to bring people possibly maybe to your site although I don't think a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5587">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► people would but who knows. But it is a tool that on the spectrum. And I wanted to understand it better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► And that's why I did and I don't know if I don't know if I'll do it again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:20 ◼ ► It is annoying to have two different versions of what you write have all been a mess now through their Google juice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5600">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► Yeah like Google my view is duplicate content [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► or maybe I think the medium one of the original in yours is the duplicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:30 ◼ ► and downgrade your site because it's like your copy paste. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5610">TS</a>]
01:33:34 ◼ ► Duplicating someone else's content even though you're the same person. Right so again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5614">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► I don't know if I'm to keep doing it. I might keep doing it for major posts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► Like things were like I really want this to have maximum audience because again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► It's a tool to do that I'm happy I did this with this post because it really did help me understand medium a lot better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:53 ◼ ► understand why somebody like me would even want to use it. So I call it a success. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5633">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► So what will the do you want to share numbers like a percentage wise like you know we did again twice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► but your market are good thing ten percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► but your market are going out like over the spread of hits on hold on I don't even know if it helps me how many hits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► like. I know I have about four hundred recommendations and fifteen balloons. Comments I don't know what you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:25 ◼ ► So they don't even tell your head so you don't even know how much it spread. I mean for all you know that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5665">TS</a>]
01:34:30 ◼ ► That means you've got four hundred people to read it. Yeah. I don't know but I mean four hundred recommendations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5670">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► That's a lot I think that's well feel like like to have to have like a basically a like action on something to get four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► hundred likes on something is a lot of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:48 ◼ ► I mean it would be a lot if it was faves on Twitter but it's not a lot for Taylor Swift. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5688">TS</a>]
01:34:52 ◼ ► I'm not chiller so I don't know what the ratio is of readers to to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5692">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► or is on medium you know maybe a difference a different social space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:00 ◼ ► That is there I think I have a good handle on what the ratio is on Twitter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5700">TS</a>]
01:35:03 ◼ ► But and medium I really don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5703">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► and I read a lot I guess that even though I don't read anything I mean I read a lot of media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:08 ◼ ► and post every time I read one I'm like What made this person write this on medium. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5708">TS</a>]
01:35:12 ◼ ► And why these comments in the margin. Well OK so you know next time you write a post in about three years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5712">TS</a>]
01:35:19 ◼ ► Nice to crosspost there. Try to never. I'll never join you. It is it is I think useful to understand it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5719">TS</a>]
01:35:27 ◼ ► If you're in the business of writing on the web. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5727">TS</a>]
01:35:29 ◼ ► You don't necessarily have to constantly post everything there or switch to it but I think it is worth understanding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5729">TS</a>]
01:35:37 ◼ ► I don't know what the problem I have with it is like John I've read a bunch of things on medium and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5737">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► I cannot remember a time that I've paid any real attention to who wrote it. So if. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:50 ◼ ► If the exercise was just understand medium than Sure. Called a success if the exercise was to get your thoughts out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5750">TS</a>]
01:35:56 ◼ ► Anonymously. Then it's a probably a success. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5756">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► Granted in this case the particular post you made was heavily about your own experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:06 ◼ ► and most people know who you are in this context so I guess maybe this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5766">TS</a>]
01:36:11 ◼ ► This is an instance of that's fine for Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5771">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► but I feel like for for normal person it would certainly propagate content better than just putting it on your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► website one cleared myself in that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:23 ◼ ► But I don't think anyone would remember a medium post I put up that wasn't about me as being written by me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5783">TS</a>]
01:36:31 ◼ ► I just I don't feel like there's that ownership in the face in the Brenn sense that there is on your own website. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5791">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► Or even your own like Tumblr account because at least a little more account you presumably styled your your site your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5799">TS</a>]
01:36:49 ◼ ► blog in such a way that it is in some way unique and yes I know there's a lot of cookie cutter Tumblr themes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5809">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► but it stands to seem to me that a lot of tumblr if not most Tumblr sites [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5815">TS</a>]
01:37:00 ◼ ► or visually unique words every medium post just looks like a medium post. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5820">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► I would say it's similar in that regard to Twitter and Tumblr. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:08 ◼ ► Like you know you have your little news your name and your avatar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5828">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► But you know when you read tweets like if you see if you see something that was retreated from somebody else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► You know how how much she really seeing their name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:19 ◼ ► and you know it's like it's very similar to those things in that regard so it is nothing like having your own site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5839">TS</a>]
01:37:27 ◼ ► There are things that we already have that are like this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5847">TS</a>]
01:37:30 ◼ ► and it we can see like kind of how that works on to learn Twitter where like. You know you if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5850">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► If you see somebody is name come up more than a couple times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► You'll probably remember in the all you had that person you know I've been I've been seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:42 ◼ ► or stuff a lot maybe go follow them. And it's very similar in those regards not like blogging. You know but it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5862">TS</a>]
01:37:49 ◼ ► Again. I think it's worth understanding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5869">TS</a>]
01:37:51 ◼ ► What do you choose to use it or not is certainly up for debate and I don't even know if I'm going to keep using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5871">TS</a>]
01:37:56 ◼ ► but I'm glad I understand a little bit better now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5876">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► Marcos the release all the applications make the Internet angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► and I mean is I mean I didn't even have time to talk about the new IMAX you have an IMAX after show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► That's about how exciting they're thankful two or three sponsors this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:10 ◼ ► Casper Squarespace and Lynda dot com and we'll see you next week. Now the show is over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5890">TS</a>]
01:38:19 ◼ ► They didn't even mean to be good because it was accidental. It was accidental. John good morning. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5899">TS</a>]
01:38:30 ◼ ► The Mongols Keesey wouldn't count. Because it was that dental was accidental. And you can find shown on today. Easy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5910">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► And if you're trying to follow them and he was no says that ski lifts and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:56 ◼ ► and can't see Marco our women on our history. Let's say that risky is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5936">TS</a>]
01:39:17 ◼ ► I think they're exciting because I'm angry about things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5957">TS</a>]
01:39:20 ◼ ► Oh you're angry you're angry about we're all angry about Erling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5960">TS</a>]
01:39:24 ◼ ► or about fifty four hundred rpm drive even though none of us are going to buy that model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5964">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► That is worse than sixteen gigs. That is that is so bad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► I don't I don't know what's the I don't know what's going on there. I don't under. I don't understand how this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► Like the old Apple would never do that just because putting up with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► and all of them would lead your charge more money but the. The low in one is like a thousand dollars. But it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► It's a rip off a thousand dollars know what the hundred. No no the lowest lowest and the small phone on retina. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:53 ◼ ► Let me say. I'm just the page of a slow and retina six hundred. But it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5993">TS</a>]
01:39:57 ◼ ► I mean first of all you know let's let's do the pre-school math we're going to start by saying something nice.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/5997">TS</a>]
01:40:03 ◼ ► I like that much more of the lineup now is right now like by by throwing in this mid-range i Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► And by getting rid of some of the non red nose. I'm very happy to see retina spreading. Very deeply into the lineup. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► I'm very very happy about that. It has nice C.P. Use. Not the best possible one of the nice ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6015">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► And it looks pretty OK now for the bad. Yeah the fifteen hundred one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:30 ◼ ► Also I see what you're saying though the I was I was talking about the bottom of the line one has to fifty four hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6030">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► R.P.M. Drive but so does the very first reading. I want to four K. Twenty one right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► So I mean the very bottom of the line when that's the want to have like the mac book Air internals. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:44 ◼ ► And that's that is not new like we've had one like that for. But a couple of years now. I think or your son like that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6044">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► That's fine. You know if you want to super super cheap Apple desktop. The keep my mac is very slow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► But it works but is it fine because the air at least has an S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:01 ◼ ► I feel like such a fundamental change in the experience of using a Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6061">TS</a>]
01:41:04 ◼ ► That I need an error is going to stomp all over the stand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6064">TS</a>]
01:41:09 ◼ ► That's the thing so that's what I just and they also by the way they made fusion drive a little worse. Whereas now the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6069">TS</a>]
01:41:17 ◼ ► The one terabyte fusion drive went from having one hundred twenty eight megs of flash caching to twenty four gigs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6077">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► mean. Hundred twenty eight gigs twenty four gigs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► Now when I almost kind of give them more of a path on it's chancy and. It reeks of being counting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► But it's conceivable that they know that twenty four gigs is enough to keep the working set. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:38 ◼ ► You know I mean I don't know what the workings that is for the average person in terms of the keeping the stuff on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6098">TS</a>]
01:41:43 ◼ ► Maybe twenty four gigs is hard for me to believe that that would be viable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6103">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► but I can believe that one twenty eight might be overkill for most people for the working set of what they do in maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► there are have more intelligent. Shuttling of things from the. The Fast Orange to the slow storage.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► I'm not sure how much that would affect things but just having no S.S.D. And a really slow two point five inch drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► So going back in time it's like using I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6123">TS</a>]
01:42:05 ◼ ► Yeah I have one of those on my desk right now the non-unit body aluminum MacBook Pro has only a spinning disc in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6125">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► and it is just super painful to use. It's like you think it's broken to take so long for things to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:20 ◼ ► This old high resent eclair MacBook Pro with a seven twenty gig splatter drive in it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6140">TS</a>]
01:42:26 ◼ ► but you know I bet your planet I was at least seventy one our PM. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6146">TS</a>]
01:42:29 ◼ ► You know I don't recall offhand but you're probably right. But it is it is so impossibly slow. That genuinely. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6149">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► I have wondered numerous times just like you said is this broken because there's no way it's trying to accomplish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► something. However on the plus side. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► I don't need any sort of monitoring tools in my menu bar because I can just put my ear close to the draw. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:50 ◼ ► And here it go could protect and was sleep. You don't need monitoring tools in your menu bar period. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6170">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► All right I mean that's kind of silly because we're not going to buy that machine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:01 ◼ ► But it's like we're thinking of it from the perspective just like the sixteen gig phones even though we're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6181">TS</a>]
01:43:05 ◼ ► buy them that potentially. If we just say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6185">TS</a>]
01:43:08 ◼ ► And a friend or relative into an Apple store to buy a computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6188">TS</a>]
01:43:11 ◼ ► and they buy the cheapest one they end up with a machine that we think is like not even like you should if that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6191">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► only one you can afford you should not buy a Mac. You should buy a P.C. or and I Pad or something else or different Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:24 ◼ ► but again it's if that's the only one you can afford is the bottom of the bottom of the line not random act.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6204">TS</a>]
01:43:29 ◼ ► It's just not a good machine with the drive and the bottom. You know the bottom line for K. I Mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6209">TS</a>]
01:43:34 ◼ ► It's not a good machine with that drive in it and. I don't know if people like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6214">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► People shouldn't have to be tech savvy enough to know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► There's lots of good mikes you can buy at every price point but just make sure like in the old news just make sure you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:48 ◼ ► Because our really affect your experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6228">TS</a>]
01:43:49 ◼ ► and now it's just make sure that you would the very least get the fusion drive which won't be as good as honest as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6229">TS</a>]
01:43:54 ◼ ► middle of the world is better than like the slowest hard drive. Made in the last decade. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6234">TS</a>]
01:44:01 ◼ ► And this is also going to have a strategy tax for them in the sense that like like you know we've heard rumblings here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6241">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► and there that they're working on possibly a new file system. And that such file system would be based on. S S D's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:15 ◼ ► That it would only run an S.S.D. Is because they don't like. If you couldn't.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6255">TS</a>]
01:44:18 ◼ ► If you know that all of the computers that a file system will run on will have an S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6258">TS</a>]
01:44:23 ◼ ► You can make certain assumptions you can design a certain way to take advantage of the properties of S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6263">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► As the longer they keep selling computers with spinning platter hard drives. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► The longer they either can't ship that or have to restrict it to only certain models their computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:36 ◼ ► and therefore only a subset of their users get whatever benefits it brings you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6276">TS</a>]
01:44:41 ◼ ► and there's you know the same thing with with the i Phone Line up like having shipping those a five ships for so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6281">TS</a>]
01:44:47 ◼ ► that you know that that holds back developers including Apple developing its own platform. Stuff like that so this is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6287">TS</a>]
01:44:56 ◼ ► and dime ing of the of the low end of the supply chain is actually going to impede the progress of Apple software teams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6296">TS</a>]
01:45:03 ◼ ► and to impede the progress that all of us can make in this offer moving forward and I even wonder at this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6303">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► When we had the like oh they're trying to save money by giving a few drive is a fifty four hundred rpm to buy five inch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:13 ◼ ► are actually cheaper than than the equivalent flash at the volumes of a bias Flash is a supply issue that they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6313">TS</a>]
01:45:20 ◼ ► save that flash for the other more profitable computers is just it's really getting to be the situation where I get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6320">TS</a>]
01:45:25 ◼ ► certain point it will be like antique and retro like who is still buying spinning. Hard drives like every. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6325">TS</a>]
01:45:32 ◼ ► You would think that the first company to go as is the everywhere would be Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6332">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► But you know they're dragging their feet. You know there's. They're just holding on to the past. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► That isn't how Apple works anymore. You know with Steve Steve did a few moves like that where he would like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:46 ◼ ► Cut off this old to crazy thing we're only doing the U.S.B. Everywhere on the I'm a great Right yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6346">TS</a>]
01:45:52 ◼ ► You know like Steve Steve did with him is that sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6352">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► but I try to keep some perspective in you know thinking maybe this is just a crazy part of him cooks Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6354">TS</a>]
01:45:59 ◼ ► The fact is when Steve Jobs was running the place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6359">TS</a>]
01:46:02 ◼ ► They also had like very stingy low and he figure ations on a lot of their computers and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6362">TS</a>]
01:46:07 ◼ ► but you're you know you're right to things like RAM. But I feel like with Tim it's been made worse. Like so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6367">TS</a>]
01:46:12 ◼ ► Neither was perfect in this regard. And maybe Steve put it in the same thing given the same situations. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6372">TS</a>]
01:46:18 ◼ ► But it does seem like they are off on this with a balance that that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6378">TS</a>]
01:46:22 ◼ ► That it needs to be struck between between like you know the low and the they offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6382">TS</a>]
01:46:27 ◼ ► and making a healthy profit on the high end stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6387">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► I feel like they're off on that and the sixteen gig phone is one of these examples. And the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► You know a lot of the like based figuration this on the computer but this is like the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:39 ◼ ► The great example I've seen recently of like here is a new By all accounts. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6399">TS</a>]
01:46:43 ◼ ► You know the non retina one is a low end product OK. The retina four K. Is a mid-range product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6403">TS</a>]
01:46:49 ◼ ► You know maybe even a high end. I mean to most of the world. A fifteen hundred dollar computer is high end. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6409">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► Let's put this into perspective here. This is a high end product. For most people standard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► And it looks high and like I like all that a spice that credit looks like fancy computer it does not look. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► Like a bargain bin like just slap together thing it looks like you're buying something expensive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:13 ◼ ► when you get I feel like the experience of using it is so far out of whack with everything that you that you have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6433">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► in touch on the computer. Yeah. So it's. You have this product and. And you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:23 ◼ ► Apple's brand is supposed to be about premium quality and about making great. Or at least good products and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6443">TS</a>]
01:47:31 ◼ ► There is no way. A computer sold in two thousand and fifteen with a fifty four hundred R.P.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6451">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► Hard drive is even a good product will learn a great one. And so again. Customer set. Could be a problem here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:43 ◼ ► Like I just I don't see how that. You know obviously I guarantee you. Just like sixteen gig phones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6463">TS</a>]
01:47:51 ◼ ► This is not about profit margins on that model. This is about creating up cells to the next model. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6471">TS</a>]
01:47:58 ◼ ► To raise average selling price does that work for help self people don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6478">TS</a>]
01:48:02 ◼ ► or because an up sell because that would mean that EVERY some to pray PL involved in the sales process would have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6482">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► aware of the huge performance cliffs represented by that fifty four hundred rpm drive it is super esoteric were people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:14 ◼ ► running under no just insulted storage and just let alone the R.P.M. Of the disk nobody knows those numbers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6494">TS</a>]
01:48:19 ◼ ► So let's let the sales people are saying by the way you don't know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6499">TS</a>]
01:48:24 ◼ ► but this number here means this computer is crap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6504">TS</a>]
01:48:27 ◼ ► but that's not a sales tactic that I've ever seen used in an Apple store that kind of like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6507">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► Let me tell you why this machine is crap you should buy the other one Apple's mostly in my experience been like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► These are all great products pick pick whichever one you want to you have questions I can answer them. Like so I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:40 ◼ ► The sixteen gig model I feel like even people don't know what a gigabyte is that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6520">TS</a>]
01:48:44 ◼ ► I think people used to buying smartphones with an single number associated with them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6524">TS</a>]
01:48:48 ◼ ► Especially Apple phones and that number is like the amount of stuff that the phone holds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6528">TS</a>]
01:48:53 ◼ ► And so I think there's more of an argument for being used to not sell there. But I computers. R.P.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6533">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► Of the spinning disk. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► Yeah I completely agree and it wasn't until I remember which machine it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:04 ◼ ► but it wasn't until I finally started using an S.S.D. Myself. Years ago. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6544">TS</a>]
01:49:09 ◼ ► Maybe it was than my previous work computer before it just got upgraded. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6549">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► But anyway it wasn't until I had one myself that I realized oh my God what everyone is saying it's. It's not true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► It's even better than what he said because I just had never experienced it before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► and it's it minutely I should have listened to all these people like you and Marco that were saying oh my god S.D.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► The only way to go. But until you really use a computer. That is your own. That has an S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:37 ◼ ► You don't understand the difference it makes and so I can absolutely imagine me. Back then not having used an S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6577">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► Thinking it's just it's not worth it is not that big a deal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:49 ◼ ► And so I feel like some amount of forced guidance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6589">TS</a>]
01:49:54 ◼ ► or you know compelling people to get this better machine is what it's going to take in order to move them away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6594">TS</a>]
01:50:03 ◼ ► splatter drives and you the way you do that is you don't off the platter drive in the first place. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6603">TS</a>]
01:50:07 ◼ ► But the customer set won't be affected if the people who buy this computer have never had an S.S.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6607">TS</a>]
01:50:11 ◼ ► Because maybe that is think is how slow computers are like if they never had the faster experience on a mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6611">TS</a>]
01:50:17 ◼ ► It's probably about the same speed as their previous maccaroni faster than everybody's mag with a spinning disk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6617">TS</a>]
01:50:22 ◼ ► So those people their customers that we find about this new computer. It's fancy the screen looks really nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6622">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► It's better than L computer in a bunch of different ways. And it's faster. So they don't know what they're missing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► Right so maybe their customers that will be protected I just feel like Apple is not giving the best possible experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► they could be giving to their customers right will the customer set will be good it won't be great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:44 ◼ ► And we all like to think that Apple aims for great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6644">TS</a>]
01:50:48 ◼ ► What they should if they want to actually offer the best product they could at this price point. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6648">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► They would have thrown in that stupid twenty four gigs and made it a fusion drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6654">TS</a>]
01:50:58 ◼ ► For what I can best estimate a total cost of maybe twenty bucks to them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6658">TS</a>]
01:51:03 ◼ ► Just ahead just at twenty bucks of the price of the points like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6663">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► You know take zero profit margin on the twenty four gigs of last but add twenty bucks of the press. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:11 ◼ ► Right but instead they charge one hundred dollars for that option. If you want to terabytes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6671">TS</a>]
01:51:17 ◼ ► That's three hundred dollars now a two terabyte two and a half inch drive at retail is about one hundred bucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6677">TS</a>]
01:51:24 ◼ ► So they're charging three hundred for some of the going to cost about one hundred plus the twenty four M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6684">TS</a>]
01:51:29 ◼ ► You know it's and they've they've always done stuff like this like overcharging for some of the options but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6689">TS</a>]
01:51:35 ◼ ► I don't know I felt like a few years ago they start to get better at like the ramp start to become a lot less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6695">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► Yes storage is the new RAM used to be that RAM was the thing that Apple overcharge ridiculous amount for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:46 ◼ ► and then they got a reasonable RAM prices but now it's like storage prices have no relation to reality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6706">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► As usual the options are not priced well but it's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:55 ◼ ► But I don't mind that like I feel like a to get to move on to for off of the low and thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6715">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► Like I'm thinking of getting one of the is to replace my wife's thunderbolt display [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:04 ◼ ► and Max what they're set out to replace your macro. You know. So I'm so whole if you can dream alive. Twenty sixteen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6724">TS</a>]
01:52:11 ◼ ► Macro thunderbolt three X. On Retina Display could conceivably happen anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6731">TS</a>]
01:52:16 ◼ ► Excited aside for now though the big one looks good and I'm you know again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6736">TS</a>]
01:52:21 ◼ ► I'll pay whatever you know check the stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6741">TS</a>]
01:52:23 ◼ ► Seven hundred dollars one terabyte flash like Al I understand since it's expensive products to the high end you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6743">TS</a>]
01:52:30 ◼ ► paying through the nose of the premier stuff but it looks and acts like a premium product I have faith that there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6750">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► That there are one terabyte last drive. Will be fast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:37 ◼ ► I have faith that the screen will look really good because Mark you said you really like your screen this one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6757">TS</a>]
01:52:43 ◼ ► supposedly even better. Yet it they did a light color gamut that's one thing I really do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6763">TS</a>]
01:52:48 ◼ ► Kind of regret not having I mean I know how you can fix that. You know I'm not going to do if you are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6768">TS</a>]
01:52:54 ◼ ► I'm really not all right this now. Marco has one of these. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6774">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► Well to my just need one for toggery but I'm getting a lot of my as well anyway. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► But yes so this does look like a really nice computer. It's kind of disappointing that it alone have the U.S.B. C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:15 ◼ ► and In my open questions other post on Twitter are. What's the deal with the G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6795">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► It does it still like thermal throttled inside there because what. I'm not deciding that brother. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► Really whether we should get one or not it's basically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:28 ◼ ► Should I bother getting the high end one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6808">TS</a>]
01:53:29 ◼ ► or is it pointless because the high end one is going to make more noise than Mark heat without any.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6809">TS</a>]
01:53:35 ◼ ► Real big boost in performance or should I get the lowest end G.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6815">TS</a>]
01:53:38 ◼ ► I just resign myself to the fact that this is never going to be remotely good for gaming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6818">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► And just get the one that makes the late least amount of noise so I'm waiting for some people to buy this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► and tear it apart or tested and do all the know I want to see gaming benchmarks I want to see noise levels. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► Stuff like that and I want to wait for the first bunch of suckers to get the first ones off the assembly line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6833">TS</a>]
01:53:57 ◼ ► And then eventually probably a lot of one of those. Yeah I mean it's and I will say mean. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6837">TS</a>]
01:54:02 ◼ ► Yeah like the gamut display is. That's a great improvement. That's the kind of improvement that like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6842">TS</a>]
01:54:09 ◼ ► They didn't need to do the market was really not demanding it is an event quantity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6849">TS</a>]
01:54:12 ◼ ► but I'm really glad they did do it because long term that is better for everybody if that filters through the lineup so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6852">TS</a>]
01:54:18 ◼ ► I'm very happy again that they want right now I'm very happy that the big one finally got Sky like although it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6858">TS</a>]
01:54:24 ◼ ► it doesn't have like the cool U.S.B. Three thunderbolt thing. He has B.C. It doesn't have that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6864">TS</a>]
01:54:30 ◼ ► So that's unfortunate but we'll get there in the spring who knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6870">TS</a>]
01:54:34 ◼ ► And also the prices little bit lower when you when you decade out with the options. Previously. If you if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6874">TS</a>]
01:54:40 ◼ ► Maxed out all the options it was forty four hundred dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6880">TS</a>]
01:54:44 ◼ ► Now Max I was forty one hundred dollars So somewhere there. The options are getting a little cheaper... [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6884">TS</a>]
01:54:48 ◼ ► So overall decent machine. If I was buying a new mac today. I would get a well configured five K. Twenty seven X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6888">TS</a>]
01:54:57 ◼ ► Of course. Again. I've been using mine now for a year and. Absolutely love it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6897">TS</a>]
01:55:03 ◼ ► And the fact that I'm not really itching to find an excuse to upgrade to tell you you know one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6903">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► And one way how good this thing is it is incredible. And this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6909">TS</a>]
01:55:13 ◼ ► I mean the screen on mine is the best screen I have ever seen. And they made the new ones even better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6913">TS</a>]
01:55:20 ◼ ► So I'm I'm very very happy about this. I'm happy to keep pushing the line forward the high end is great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6920">TS</a>]
01:55:26 ◼ ► The low end is a shame. Yeah. And I don't mind like those missing S.P.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6926">TS</a>]
01:55:31 ◼ ► Like it's kind of a shame but like you recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6931">TS</a>]
01:55:33 ◼ ► when you're buying remember if you're buying a mac now you realize you're buying in the middle of Apple transitioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6933">TS</a>]
01:55:38 ◼ ► it's lying to us P.C. Going to be a while read it as a new judge it could be a really long while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6938">TS</a>]
01:55:44 ◼ ► So just like what are you going to do. I'm going to wait for the next time act that as your S.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6944">TS</a>]
01:55:48 ◼ ► Well then you're not going to get her six month period or so. No I'm going to be OK with that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6948">TS</a>]
01:55:55 ◼ ► Mostly because whatever like that I don't. I don't see any big need for us B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6955">TS</a>]
01:56:00 ◼ ► For the thing that's replacing was ancient MacBook Air will still be here job good. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6960">TS</a>]
01:56:06 ◼ ► So the mouse and keyboard next I guess we can quickly have those. I am happy that. So OK let me hear something nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6966">TS</a>]
01:56:16 ◼ ► I'm happy that they're doing stuff like this like I'm happy that the mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6976">TS</a>]
01:56:21 ◼ ► And in particular the desktop Macs are still important enough for Apple to put significant work into. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6981">TS</a>]
01:56:27 ◼ ► Because not only are they obviously mostly i OS device company these days. But also among the mac line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6987">TS</a>]
01:56:34 ◼ ► The laptops tend to get the most attention because they sell most of that up to mean I heard I think Jason celebrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/6994">TS</a>]
01:56:40 ◼ ► Seventy five percent of the computers a sellout tops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7000">TS</a>]
01:56:43 ◼ ► and the desktop isn't even all IMAX it's going to be some macro some neck minis. So you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7003">TS</a>]
01:56:48 ◼ ► The fact they're putting effort into things like making. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7008">TS</a>]
01:56:51 ◼ ► Also new i Macs but also things like new keyboard or mouse designs in the previous ones worked fine. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7011">TS</a>]
01:56:57 ◼ ► Even though I don't like the direction it took with the keyboard yet I mean I haven't tried one yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7017">TS</a>]
01:57:02 ◼ ► From what I've very not book one like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7022">TS</a>]
01:57:05 ◼ ► So you know I'm not grown not crazy about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7025">TS</a>]
01:57:08 ◼ ► but I would use it in a way because it isn't a split natural key word I always use the split. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7028">TS</a>]
01:57:12 ◼ ► Ergo keyboard so it doesn't matter for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7032">TS</a>]
01:57:15 ◼ ► So I guess I like that they're still doing as I feel like maybe this is Phil Schiller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7035">TS</a>]
01:57:19 ◼ ► Like I feel like of all the top exact I think he seems to like the mac the most you know like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7039">TS</a>]
01:57:24 ◼ ► He seems to be like kind of his baby in that way like he always. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7044">TS</a>]
01:57:28 ◼ ► He seems to care a lot about the mac things he always gives more public statements about the max than anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7048">TS</a>]
01:57:34 ◼ ► and other exact like maybe maybe it's just his job to present them I don't know but it does seem like he cares a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7054">TS</a>]
01:57:39 ◼ ► and that's comforting to know that like he's so high up and seems to really care about the mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7059">TS</a>]
01:57:43 ◼ ► So I'm just I'm happy that the mac. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7063">TS</a>]
01:57:46 ◼ ► And in particular desktop Macs are getting meaningful updates and meaningful attention even. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7066">TS</a>]
01:57:52 ◼ ► Even when I don't always agree with the direction they're going on at least happy they're getting updates. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7072">TS</a>]
01:57:59 ◼ ► Said to see that the Magic Mouse didn't seem to get it it doesn't aesthetically look that different I know it's taller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7079">TS</a>]
01:58:07 ◼ ► or excuse me not taller but I guess longer is a better way of phrasing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7087">TS</a>]
01:58:11 ◼ ► and happy to see the batteries go away I am one of the suckers that bought the Apple battery charger because I hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7091">TS</a>]
01:58:16 ◼ ► certainly doubles. Double Ezola time. Not even I thought that you know. Other battery charges exist. They do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7096">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► Yeah there are and they're better. Yeah. Well it was a gift. So. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7103">TS</a>]
01:58:27 ◼ ► I had a friend who claimed his hands and CD was give the middle school. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7107">TS</a>]
01:58:32 ◼ ► I mean I believe it was a gift I probably would have bought it anyway because the only thing I ever use a for is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7112">TS</a>]
01:58:37 ◼ ► Magic Mouse but anyway. The point is I still I still think that are going on McLean this has a way a way to go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7117">TS</a>]
01:58:44 ◼ ► I wish it was more bold this. But you know you can't win em all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7124">TS</a>]
01:58:48 ◼ ► But I like that that it's got rechargeable batteries I like that it's charging via lightning I think that's smart. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7128">TS</a>]
01:58:55 ◼ ► I think any excuse as many have said to get a lightning cable in the house. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7135">TS</a>]
01:58:59 ◼ ► You can never have enough we probably have twenty or thirty at this now maybe not that many believe a ton. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7139">TS</a>]
01:59:06 ◼ ► But I don't know I would be neat if they did something a little different with it I'm not sure what maybe maybe somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7146">TS</a>]
01:59:13 ◼ ► some way supporting force touch. I don't know enough about how this is all held together in a hardware perspective. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7153">TS</a>]
01:59:19 ◼ ► Maybe that's a ridiculously complicated and stupid idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7159">TS</a>]
01:59:22 ◼ ► but I would have liked something more than just a slight Rev like even the keyboards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7162">TS</a>]
01:59:28 ◼ ► That wasn't revolutionary what they did but it was more than just a basic Rev. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7168">TS</a>]
01:59:34 ◼ ► And I'm sad that the Magic Mouse only got the basic Ravin. And I fear that my mouse using days are running out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7174">TS</a>]
01:59:42 ◼ ► And eventually due to force touch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7182">TS</a>]
01:59:45 ◼ ► I'm going to have to get a track pad and I know that a lot of people are completely in love with their Magic Trackpad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7185">TS</a>]
01:59:52 ◼ ► I personally don't care for trackpads unless I have to I will use the one on my mac you know the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7192">TS</a>]
01:59:58 ◼ ► Board one if I am in a pinch and it's not reasonable for me to set up a mouse but I prefer a mouse. If at all possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7198">TS</a>]
02:00:07 ◼ ► And I prefer a Multi Touch mouse specifically. The other thing I really do like is the pairing by way of the U.S.B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7207">TS</a>]
02:00:14 ◼ ► Connection I think that's extremely smart. It's another one of those really great Apple moves words like oh yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7214">TS</a>]
02:00:20 ◼ ► If you give a plug it in anyway why the crap wouldn't you do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7220">TS</a>]
02:00:23 ◼ ► but I don't know if I would have thought of it you know if I was designing all this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7223">TS</a>]
02:00:27 ◼ ► So I'll I'm kind of excited about the new keyboard in the new mouse. More the keyboard than the mouse I suspect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7227">TS</a>]
02:00:35 ◼ ► Because I have one of the old old old Bluetooth keyboard takes three batteries which is completely barbaric obviously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7235">TS</a>]
02:00:43 ◼ ► So I'd love to see I'd love to get my hands on a keyboard and mouse but cheese they're expensive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7243">TS</a>]
02:00:48 ◼ ► How much they well they come with your computer if you buy a new computer right where they come with your new desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7248">TS</a>]
02:00:54 ◼ ► computer. But don't typically by desktop computers as we've talked about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7254">TS</a>]
02:00:59 ◼ ► Yet when it comes to the different keyboard is a hundred bucks trackpad A hundred thirty. Mouse is a standalone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7259">TS</a>]
02:01:04 ◼ ► Do you have a choice of a real keyboard. Let's see. Yeah you do. Still Apple keyboard with an American pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7264">TS</a>]
02:01:11 ◼ ► You can pick the extended one still I mean that's why I'm not interested in his keeper I like well like the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7271">TS</a>]
02:01:16 ◼ ► like the mouse. Seems to and the track bed for that matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7276">TS</a>]
02:01:21 ◼ ► It's every Fineman of what Apple seems to think is the bill tonic ideal of these devices so here it is a bunch of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7281">TS</a>]
02:01:27 ◼ ► mouse that make more of an evolution. Apple has decided for the next several years. The D.M. Piece of sushi is the man. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7287">TS</a>]
02:01:35 ◼ ► And all the doing is refining it an Apple and Apple has decided for the next several years of this aluminum. Keyboard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7295">TS</a>]
02:01:40 ◼ ► That's the way keyboard should look and they're just refining it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7300">TS</a>]
02:01:43 ◼ ► and how can they refine it barely can we can we pull the ad is even more who make keys little bigger clear make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7303">TS</a>]
02:01:48 ◼ ► more stable maybe will tweak the layout but bottom line is they wanted to just disappear. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7308">TS</a>]
02:01:53 ◼ ► They wanted to be very simple it's beautiful to look at but I don't like the key layout I need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7313">TS</a>]
02:01:58 ◼ ► I want my inverted Pierre agave I want page up page noun home and where I want them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7318">TS</a>]
02:02:02 ◼ ► I was like a space between the numbers and the function keys. But that would make the keyboard bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7322">TS</a>]
02:02:08 ◼ ► Even though it would be easier to feel your way to difference being the numbers in the functions. I would like control. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7328">TS</a>]
02:02:13 ◼ ► To be or not control whatever. But I would like to key in the lower left corner. To not be F.N. Not P.D.F. and Katie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7333">TS</a>]
02:02:19 ◼ ► Right because that's where control is by default if you don't swap it with caps lock. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7339">TS</a>]
02:02:24 ◼ ► These are all things you can do on a full size real keyboard that you can't do on Apple's super aggressively. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7344">TS</a>]
02:02:30 ◼ ► Minified keyboard but this is the I guess this is the but I mean. I feel like the desk. Real estate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7350">TS</a>]
02:02:36 ◼ ► It's good to conserve. Desk real estate. But one of the luxuries of a desktop computer is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7356">TS</a>]
02:02:42 ◼ ► You don't have to fit it on an error. Airline tray table. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7362">TS</a>]
02:02:45 ◼ ► Like you can make the border little bigger you can give it a little bit of breathing room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7365">TS</a>]
02:02:48 ◼ ► but a kill you put some space between the function keys in the number keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7368">TS</a>]
02:02:51 ◼ ► or is that extra five millimeters going to impinge on the giant desk where you have your gigantic IMAX. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7371">TS</a>]
02:02:57 ◼ ► I don't know any way. This is. I disagree with their design direction for their keyboards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7377">TS</a>]
02:03:01 ◼ ► Especially since they don't seem to even offer. Like an extended version. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7381">TS</a>]
02:03:05 ◼ ► Except for the old one I'm assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7385">TS</a>]
02:03:07 ◼ ► when you pick that extended version you get the album sitting in front of right now which I like but I would like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7387">TS</a>]
02:03:11 ◼ ► I would like the new key mechanism. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7391">TS</a>]
02:03:13 ◼ ► I don't like the new larger key caps you know I would like San Francisco font on my caps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7393">TS</a>]
02:03:17 ◼ ► And by the way with others I think this is on that rental site. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7397">TS</a>]
02:03:21 ◼ ► The mac book one keyboard has half a mil meter if you travel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7401">TS</a>]
02:03:25 ◼ ► The old aluminum keyboard that I'm sitting in front of now at the old desk top ones have two point one millimeters key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7405">TS</a>]
02:03:31 ◼ ► And the new one has one millimeter So it's right in the middle it's a point five two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7411">TS</a>]
02:03:35 ◼ ► and one millimeter So it's not going to feel like the MacBook one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7415">TS</a>]
02:03:38 ◼ ► but it's also have the depth of the old keyboard sought to try that to see how I like it again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7418">TS</a>]
02:03:44 ◼ ► Not going to be a good thing anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7424">TS</a>]
02:03:46 ◼ ► The consensus so far from reviewers seems to be that it feels more like the mac book one keyboard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7426">TS</a>]
02:03:53 ◼ ► and it might be because of the stability of the keys a little bit to that it's not as much tilting involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7433">TS</a>]
02:03:58 ◼ ► and also the reduced travel on the magic track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7438">TS</a>]
02:04:01 ◼ ► but I think is the only one of these accessory very visions that I think is a clean win all around because the Magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7441">TS</a>]
02:04:07 ◼ ► Trackpad. There's not much to it except a place where you slide your fingers around. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7447">TS</a>]
02:04:11 ◼ ► So that and they made the place bigger. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7451">TS</a>]
02:04:14 ◼ ► Which is what I was hoping for in terms of you know you have all the space in your desktop why make a better. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7454">TS</a>]
02:04:19 ◼ ► It's also it seems to be more proportioned like the screen. But just kind of nicer in terms of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7459">TS</a>]
02:04:25 ◼ ► Not that at the one to one mapping but anyway if you're going to make it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7465">TS</a>]
02:04:28 ◼ ► If you have to decide what shape the track bed should be making it the shape of the screens that you sell as a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7468">TS</a>]
02:04:34 ◼ ► And it's white which I like I'm assuming it won't get all disgusting with your fingers because I'm assuming it's glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7474">TS</a>]
02:04:40 ◼ ► It doesn't have a little feet which are super clever but obviously don't work in this forest touch age so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7480">TS</a>]
02:04:46 ◼ ► I actually do have a magic trick that I have to use it for Bob I use Money Bay for a tenner view so I have some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7486">TS</a>]
02:04:51 ◼ ► gestures on. And so I don't have I guess one hundred thirty bucks and not buying one of these on a whim. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7491">TS</a>]
02:04:56 ◼ ► That's super expensive but that is my favorite and no excess Riyad of the group by far. And then finally the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7496">TS</a>]
02:05:03 ◼ ► The fact the lightning. Charging port on the mouse is on the bottom. When I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7503">TS</a>]
02:05:09 ◼ ► I saw a couple people trying to think of reasons for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7509">TS</a>]
02:05:13 ◼ ► Like don't hurt yourself it's because if you put it someplace else will be ugly. Like that's it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7513">TS</a>]
02:05:17 ◼ ► Yeah oh yeah that's totally done and done. And I don't also the. Like it's a big deal because the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7517">TS</a>]
02:05:24 ◼ ► The charge last so long and you charter so infrequently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7524">TS</a>]
02:05:27 ◼ ► It is a little bit awkward it's a kind of one of those at the same of the compromises that Apple has made in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7527">TS</a>]
02:05:33 ◼ ► Let's put the ports on the back of the IMAX so they're not in your face but now it's harder to kind of get at them or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7533">TS</a>]
02:05:38 ◼ ► The you know. The things that make your product look good but as soon as you go and try to use it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7538">TS</a>]
02:05:44 ◼ ► Part of part of the functionality infrequent part like you're not plugging and pulling things all the time but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7544">TS</a>]
02:05:48 ◼ ► when you do do it it becomes awkward so this mouse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7548">TS</a>]
02:05:50 ◼ ► Looks good all the time when you do have to plug in I guess you leave it on its back like a turtle. At night. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7550">TS</a>]
02:05:57 ◼ ► You know and than just lays there on the back and you won't flip it over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7557">TS</a>]
02:06:02 ◼ ► Why aren't you helping it over Casey Anyway I'm flooding the quote you're not going get there aren't any way to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7562">TS</a>]
02:06:06 ◼ ► throne. But that's going to look weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7566">TS</a>]
02:06:09 ◼ ► It's going to look weird to have your thing charging overnight with the wire sticking out of it an awkward angle a look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7569">TS</a>]
02:06:15 ◼ ► weirder than it would if the thing plugged in where the cord is on a regular old style corded mouse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7575">TS</a>]
02:06:21 ◼ ► Because then it would just sit on your desk the cord with their you unplugged every fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7581">TS</a>]
02:06:24 ◼ ► but the whole rest of the time using the mouse. Johnny I would be restless. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7584">TS</a>]
02:06:27 ◼ ► At night knowing that this is gaping lighting port poking out of his beautiful piece of sushi somewhere that people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7587">TS</a>]
02:06:32 ◼ ► see right and it would be if they did it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7592">TS</a>]
02:06:35 ◼ ► and put it on the front edge where every other mouse has scored coming in you wouldn't even see it in using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7595">TS</a>]
02:06:40 ◼ ► when it would be facing away from you would be facing the wall. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7600">TS</a>]
02:06:43 ◼ ► People walking towards you and your desk here beautiful glass at the reception area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7603">TS</a>]
02:06:47 ◼ ► They would see the lighting porthole and it would. So with Linda I don't know but yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7607">TS</a>]
02:06:54 ◼ ► You don't I don't think you need to think hard about it. That's why it's on the bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7614">TS</a>]
02:06:57 ◼ ► Because it's less likely that way. And I and in the end. I think that is a reasonable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7617">TS</a>]
02:07:01 ◼ ► I think it's a more reasonable compromise than putting everything apart on the back of the eye Mikel to put it that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7621">TS</a>]
02:07:07 ◼ ► and you know if you're going for maximum functionality you're probably not using this mouse to begin with mean I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7627">TS</a>]
02:07:12 ◼ ► but no one else seems to Casey is using it for next election I guess is the only swipe the mouse that's the only like high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7632">TS</a>]
02:07:18 ◼ ► quality multi gesture multi finger gesture mouse so that's the functionality the reason he's using this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7638">TS</a>]
02:07:23 ◼ ► Well that's mostly true. That is why I'm using it but I'm told that. Mike's beloved M.X. Whatever mouse. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7643">TS</a>]
02:07:31 ◼ ► That is giving him tremendous R.S.I. Issues that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7651">TS</a>]
02:07:35 ◼ ► I guess has physical buttons you can press that will mimic a lot of last us years that I give you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7655">TS</a>]
02:07:41 ◼ ► But that to me that seems kind of a hack in kind of blue jean and I'm not that interested in it. But. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQkJT_o/7661">TS</a>]