The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I don't think that we already see all over again although WC was over quickly [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► about screenwriting get tickets here is just clear these people don't know how [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► to make websites load but I have we have many devices working on it actually did [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► get tickets for tomorrow for the not the Thursday opening that but the Friday one [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► but jackson-lee both 3d and that's not acceptable because the motion sickness [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► no it's not a valid stream is terrible I agree but I wasn't sure I figured you [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► had desperation would make it acceptable but apparently not I'm gonna watch it in [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► me to get it so I can get but really I many times like I got to the stage where [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► you're picking here seats to reserve many many times they get to that step is [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► the theater near you like an Alamo Drafthouse in some fancy in highfalutin [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► there's no known as a fancy they're all just whatever I mean the one at the [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► fanciest one of them actually take its rights reserved seating and as the big [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► reclining seats and everything like that but but 3d so I may be distracted during [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► this episode as occasionally reload the top five thousand tabs that I have [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► reconfigured to exactly the page where you can buy tickets [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► all of which are just returning you know 503 gateway errors or just spending [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► forever that's great well I mean I don't have a problem because I'm not at all [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► distracted by the New York Football Giants are currently acting like the [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► giant one cares about football kaci Star Wars games happen every year people get [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► concussions yeah they're terrible brain injury that destroys their entire family [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► also true happens but sixteen times every year but to put things in [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► perspective with regard to my priorities and I were just having a very casual to [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► be which we didn't even conclude as to whether or not we would go see this [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► movie in the theaters you should stay away and let other people get the [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► tickets I love I love John that you are you're able to resist every Apple [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► product on day one every new release of anything like you're out you're able to [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► say you know what imma let everybody else go try those things first and tell [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► me what's wrong with it actually do it myself but with this year going right in [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► that Star Wars I mean it and it's also a slightly smaller investment then a multi [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► $1000 Mac I don't know man your dreams and hopes and wants and desires they're [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► pretty big investment they are putting on this movie out the middleman [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► investment that I'm protecting with this whole thing is the investment have put [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► into avoiding Star Wars related spoil that is a serious investment that can be [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► destroyed very easily when the rest of the world to see the movie and you [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► haven't made it so I'm sorry wasn't completely successful but hopefully it's [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► successful enough [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► yeah I mean I'm sure I will see it in 2d eventually I just really don't like [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► three nights he wanted some follow-up [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► chip works has some thoughts on the 28 nine's I don't know if John you wanted [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► to talk about this little bit yes I put this in there and I was all excited this [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► is going to be a really detailed breakdown of what is different about the [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► chips with a microscopic using there was a little bit of that but there's two [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► problems with that one [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► a lot of it the stuff in it is over my head because they're using Vlingo they [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► assume everybody knows and I don't know or have a vague idea what it means but I [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► don't understand the implications [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► like you know one of the chips as it weakened mas you know I can have vague [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► memories of what that is but I don't understand what the implications are [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► anyway I suppose it up in the other one is that there's a lot of information but [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► all the other components I don't care about who they use for the display [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► controller what ship to the use for the power regulating the battery thing or do [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► you like all sorts of stuff that I'm not interested in that will put a link in [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► the showers because Jim parks is the only place I know that is taking these [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► things apart and Mike slicing the ship's open and putting them under microscopes [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► and stuff like that [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► no real news there but for people who understand more about this than I do [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► something from it and speaking to a nine Consumer Reports way down about them but [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► some more [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► yeah that's more reasonable consumer focus has consumer reports had a spotty [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► history with technology and everything really like reports I was wonder about [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► because the more I know about a topic [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► the more I think consumer reports selections are just don't make any sense [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► and so that makes me suspect like their dishwasher recommendations also don't [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► make any sense I don't know anything but every time I know something about it [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► like their car reviews like the car they pick they recommend me to get my guess [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► is really different criteria that I do like the way they pick ours is those are [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► not the things that are important to them or not the same things that are [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► important to me that's true in a lot of things if you look at car driver for [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► example in there is emphasizing like performance and handling and stuff like [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► that and it's like maybe that's not what's important to you in any way you [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► hate performance I don't have any way so they're reviewing their tested the [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► battery is more or less what I was looking for like they're trying to do [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► real world testing I think they're testing this pretty timid is similar to [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► the bad things I did when I was doing Mavericks is very like I would call [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► light usage maybe they're calling me music that is loaded a bunch of web [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► pages over and over again but they didn't do a bunch of fairly standard [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► things I think probably in a way but is less stressful than someone actually [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► using the phone they also monitor the temperature of both of the phones during [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► this what I thought was a good idea because they may be one of them you know [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► me wrong it's hotter than the [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► other and they didn't find any appreciable difference said one to two [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► percent differences in their tests which they considered not appreciable [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► difference in like within the margin of error so there you go there they the [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► benchmark testing may have showed a twenty or thirty percent but the [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► Consumer Reports attempt to simulate real-world usage which they detail you [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► should follow the link open the notes they did what they did like oh we let [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► our web page repeatedly for this amount of time over here and this thing for [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► this amount of time you see what they didn't deceive you that is [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► representative I use your phone then you'll know what the differences but [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► anyway I Consumer Reports loves a good story about Apple phones being broken in [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► some way so if they are not jumping on this and saying that one of the a nice [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► is much much worse than the other it's pretty good bet that they're about the [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► same night and somebody wrote in with regard to fusion drives chapter horse [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► named as exciting know so this is the about the fusion drive size are [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► complaining they dropped the flash portion of the fusion drive in a new [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► iMacs down to 24 gigs RAM 128 gigs but apparently to get the two or three you [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► go by Dr you do get the old 128 gigabytes of SSD 23 terabyte terabytes [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► yes only the one terabyte drive option has a 24 gig one so that's some good [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► news on that front disposed and Toby wrote in and had an interesting point [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► they say when I hear the merits of the Magic Trackpad discussed it usually in [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► comparison to using a mouse but I find it really comes into its own in [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► combination with a mouse and we've heard this from a few other people I heard [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► this from Mike Hurley year ago now I think at least but I forgot about it I'm [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► glad to be said something I have never run both a magic trackpad anomalous I [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► love my Magic Mouse even though its economically atrocious but I I love the [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► functionality provides for me [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► I was lamenting on Twitter yesterday the day before anyone here actually on this [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► on this podcast tomorrow's lamenting that i think im asking days may be over [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► shortly because I think force touch will eventually catch on to the point that [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► I'm gonna be kind of grumbling about not having it on the Magic Mouse and I've [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► been thinking a lot about maybe I should just get on this stupid magic trackpads [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► and just embrace the future in the same way that may be my next car so I should [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► get a stupid dual clutch gearbox and embrace the future but neither is [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► happening right now the future is no gearbox got here to getting small you're [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► turning into one of those smug test owners not even an owner yet this is [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► gonna be a long year so when you first get that card I gave you this year at [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► least have a few a few more months to to raise my defenses and get prepared for [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► this awful mess anyway we talk about Mac Pro somewhere if you want if that's [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► better please stop although I was thinking earlier today actually how [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► ridiculous it is you too fond over the stupid trash can fully [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► 15 episodes of ATP and John never bought one in Marco you've kicked to the curb [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► with in like six months I suspect that my next computer will probably be a Mac [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► Pro again but you know because the difference now between like like there [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► is a good discussion with this with serenity and join in on this side of the [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► talk show about how the Mac Pro right now is kind of like the best of almost [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► nothing except for multi-core performance and things that you that [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► second GPU somehow which is basically only OpenCL stuff that can you can use [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► it so there's like there's a small number of things that are better on it [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► but the but there's a whole lot about it that the iMac beats it at including for [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► you know for my purposes including the screen quality 41 the fact there is no [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► good way to get five K or you know large red on the Mac Pro and so you know if [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► there's a new Mac Pro in 1951 in like 45 months but I don't I probably won't get [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► that one but I will probably get the next one [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► wait so you're saying if there's a Mac Pro that is released in the next year or [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► so [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► that supports retin-a you're not going to inspire it I'm not planning on any [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► you know with me I can never really guaranteed had as much as you guys did [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► this is what I sounded like when I was like oh man I'm totally not getting an [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► awful lot isn't it [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► or B&W or an iPhone or if they don't have a Retina screen exactly give up [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► their end the screen so that it doesn't matter of a Mac Pro features all we [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► should be watching for is is an external 5 keds green screen with something can [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► drive it exactly and so Am I [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► I would like they're like before I really do an update I would like for [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► their first of all to be a good performance increase on the CPU side I [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► think whatever their way to next I forget what quarter of 2009 line and I [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► might even if it comes soon I'll probably skip it because it's still very [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► happy with my Mac but I would I would like more parallel CPU power eventually [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► I really do max it out like crazy when doing stuff to my new photos on my new [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► camera they're just massive but that's the only time I really destroy the CPUs [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► so I can wait are you happy you asked [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► I've been watching football games last minute sorry talking so anyway while [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► talking to you and you're listening with you in every way only did it although we [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► never finished the talk about the trackpad that's when all this started [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► that was Genesis [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► so trackpads yes I have nothing else to add about this with somebody had some [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► other notes in the show notes about it wasn't me I'm assuming it was john is [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► also paying attention because he's trying to buy Star Wars tickets again [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► one of those days now I'm I thought you had to handle my question on this is do [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► any of you work this way have you have you worked his way like mouse and track [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► but at the same time you know I don't generally however because I the only [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► track that I have is on my Kindle physically in the computer touch the [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► computer but I did notice a couple times I think it was getting a definition of a [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► word the other day I was at work and I'm on a client's site now so I only have my [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► on-board monitor I'm not using my clam shell with two identical [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► external site I was at our office anyway so I had my keyboard open and and you [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► know obviously the track it's right there and I'll show you the definition [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► of a word and I forced touched in order to get the definition rather than like [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► right clicking and going to define what or what have you and it took me aback [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► because I didn't even really think twice about I just checked and it with my left [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► hand was acquitted a second that was we heard it was kinda nice but I don't know [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► I i I can't fathom [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► getting an external Magic Trackpad in addition to a magic mouse in no small [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► part because they are damned expensive it is really stunningly spent $130 I [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► believe what why is everyone saying that super expensive though and I've seen a [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► lot of complaints about the money trap it being mentioned no I show but I've [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► seen on people's $130 a trackpad that seems outrageous now obviously it's more [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► than my like $19 plastic Logitech mouse from 1995 that I mean using forever but [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► I wouldn't flinch spending $100 I really good amount so why is it that this is a [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► big deal out of a hundred is it because you see it as a flat thing that doesn't [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► move and it seems like how I paying $130 for a flat thing doesn't move it no no [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► it's it's because of what you just said because I'm used to paying like $20 her [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► mouse my magic mouse that I bought way back when I was probably what $60 I [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► think it was something like $70 the original Magic Mouse and I thought that [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► was silly expenses I don't know I think it just seems like a lot of damn money [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► $130 for a madhouse for freakin Mel welfare trackpad but still so you know [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► that the fact is high-end mice have always costs in the $100 range really [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► like the one the Logitech MX master that that's a hundred bucks isn't it [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► don't recall but I do remember vividly looking at it when my kids said that it [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► does a lot of the stuff that I do with swipes on the Magic Mouse and thinking [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► to myself and I really would love something it doesn't look like a piece [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► of sushi and I looked at it and I was going to buy it and then I saw whatever [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► the price was apparently between 70 and $100 million where you buy it in [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► and I remember looking at in thinking that's way too much money for her mouth [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► no way why is it so much [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► the Razer gaming mice are probably simply press like this gives bridge [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► could point to pull this thing it's been in the post show section for god knows [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► how long the Xbox elite controller which is linked to right now [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► you guessed it up in the top for some reason in the polls show that thing this [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► this makes a lot of sense to me this is an Xbox controller I believe it's $150 [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► more or less looks like the regular Xbox controller but they put more money into [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► its third year it's more customizable has higher quality materials and has [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► better tolerances I'm sure it feels better to use is also got some extra [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► weird traders on the bottoms you can use different button pressing arrangements [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► it's like a premium controller for the controller like a mouse and keyboard is [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► something that when you're using the thing your hands are on almost all the [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► controller pretty much all the time and they try to make them as sturdy as they [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► can make them and keeping the cheapest possible to bundle them in with the game [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► consoles and then you like maybe 40 bucks to 60 bucks to buy another one [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► which is kind of expensive doesn't do have Bluetooth they do have a lot of [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► buttons sometimes they have lights and microphones and all sorts of other stuff [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► and I'm willing to buy a fancier version of basically every controller that I [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► have by all means double the price of the controller and put 25 percent more [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► value of parts into its army so your margins go out for the expense of [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► control it but I'm getting 25 percent better like to take that money and put [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► it towards the same buttons everything else this one has the extra things in [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► the bottom but put it towards making the buns sturdier or feel better [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► improving the materials are making an hour out as much are not using hard to [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► your bushings our services you know things that run together you know I want [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► everything to do it make it more expensive and I think that is incredibly [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► smart purchase the same reason you should buy really good expensive chair [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► that's when you can find keyboard mouse all the stuff if you gonna sit in it all [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► day and touch it all day with your hands that's where you should spend your money [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► so now the Magic Trackpad isn't quite the same thing because I really like it [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► doesn't do anything it just sits there [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► right so maybe 830 is too much for that because people feel like it is not that [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► much better than the old magic trackpad in that game that's a that's a little [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► bear has slightly nicer materials it supports forced touch whatever but the [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► bottom line all people see is like a flat slab that lays on the ground that [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► you put your finger on but it doesn't seem that crazy to me know maybe maybe [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► it's over pricing that there's no lower-priced model and the case of the [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► Xbox controller keyboards RNC chair as you can get expensive ones are still [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► pretty good [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► whereas the Apple external desktop trackpad is not $130 for people who want [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► to track pad that really do $130 a month because they're on a budget that's all I [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► can see the criticism but the specific products saying this isn't worth $130 [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► because Apple's margins must be crazy [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► doesn't really bother me that much it's not that it's not worth $130 it's just I [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► feel like whatever my barrier for a mouse or mouse like device is this is on [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► the other side of that barrier and and what you just said makes perfect sense [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► to me I'm touching this constantly this is how I'm this is how I'm making my [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► living is by using a mouse and a keyboard and sitting on a chair and so [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► on all of that makes perfect sense you're absolutely right but I don't know [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► I look at these prices and as soon as I get much past like sixty seventy dollars [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► I just feel like it's just too damn much the rent is too damn high but how like [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► how often do you buy new input devices like I i mean you know people can people [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► can justify spending $100 for an extra you know few gigs of memory on their [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► iPhone with it would barely even thinking about it often but then you [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► know an input device that you probably by like once every five years at most [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► out how often do people buy these things you know new by themselves [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► you know it's I think it's pretty rare and so you know this is a high-end [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► premium device this is not a mass market device most people are not buying [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► desktop to begin with those who are buying desktops are generally going to [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► be using whatever comes with it and by default it comes to mouse and those who [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► are gonna be willing to pay extra for you know this premium trap at think [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► that's that's kind of an upscale premium [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► thing in a market I don't think it's a high-volume product I don't think I'll [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► probably make yourself a whole ton of them I'm honestly surprised they updated [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► it at all [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► mentioned last oh I'm surprised that the desktop input devices got any attention [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► from Apple given how relatively unimportant they are in Apple's overall [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► market but I don't think it's that that ridiculous I mean it's a premium [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► mechanical keyboard is going to cost you between one and two hundred dollars [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► usually I don't think it's that crazy to have this track pad from Apple which is [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► a premium brand now it's a fashion brand I don't think it's that ridiculous to [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► have this coming from them doing things that no the trackpad can do at least on [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► a Mac Pro possibly anywhere [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► offering at $430 is somebody gonna buy once every five years that doesn't seem [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► to me at all as you can make a special I don't know when I bought this magic [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► mouse but I can assure you it was shortly after it was initially released [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► and same day 1 I've been using for a bike easily five years so as though [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► there's that but secondly a year you're both trying to use logic to fight with [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► my emotions and and and you're right I mean you're absolutely right everything [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► he said absolutely right but all I can tell you is I look at the price tags [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► like holy God that's just it's too much money dammit and and it's just because [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► I'm it's it's what what I feel you know it's the same reason that I will get a [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► piece of software on the App Store and if its north of five bucks I think woah [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► woah woah is this something I really want and I should note that wastes no I [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► know because I'm proud of this I'm not saying that because I think it's the [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► right approach I'm just saying that's how I feel and then I remind myself oh [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► my god this is like $6 or $7 and its gonna give me plenty of enjoyment for a [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► long time like the wintry pot whatever came out and it was what five bucks for [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► to about 24 and yes yes 0 for first second I was like I mean nothing I [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► wouldn't do it like Jesus no its not you idiot use that app constantly every [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► single day what are you doing even thinking a $5 too much money but but [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► that's the logic talking to the emotional side of my brain which [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► initially was like wow [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► nap really in and I'm wrong I'm not arguing that I'm right I'm not saying [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► I'm right [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► I'm wrong but it's just it's it's that gut reaction when I see $130 or anything [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► north of 80 bucks for a pointing device like wow that's a lot of money so on the [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► other side as the other reasons in here is the setting aside the price of the [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► trackpad is that the concept of people who either have become accustomed to or [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► were brought up in the age of track pads and mice and keyboards adopting computer [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► use a desktop computer usage pattern that involves the mall so in the same [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► way that my eyes grew up with the mouse my way of using appearance was led into [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► the people who are you know teenagers or adults when I was first getting my Mac [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► their their way of using Peters was the keyboard you sit in front of the [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► keyboard and that's how using computer keyboard key word there is nothing else [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► I was always from you know from day one you know the Mac mouse and keyboard [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► sometimes just a mouse and keyboard but very often both at once [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► command clicking to clean up I comes a desktop shift option clicking you know [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► the whole nine yards clicking typing typing switching back and forth between [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► them doing them both simultaneously using shortcut keys and graphics [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► programs while you're drawing with the mouse and switching tools with the [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► keyboard all those things are second nature to me because that's how I was [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► brought up now that we have trackpad especially on the desktop I can imagine [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► there being people who get into a groove of one hand on the mouse one hand on the [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► keyboard or trackpad where you're messing around and there were no this is [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► Toby run into the two things that he has the trackpad for a while so using the [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► mouse is swiping between between spaces and swiping between lunch bad pitches [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► well I bought a run just click on the little things taken thanks just it's [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► faster more natural do the other way and what is your other hand doing anyway [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► it's not like being ambidextrous just like accepting that there are a bunch of [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► places that you can give in to your computer and not saying well I can only [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► be using one of those it wants or I can only be two of those at once because one [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► of them didn't exist when I was growing up [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► you know and i feel like i dont wanna take the magic track because I have 12 [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► if they thought I got a choice interviews I can do all the gestures to [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► try to find a place for to see if I can integrate into my life maybe you know [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► you can't teach an old dog new tricks may be too late for me but I like the [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► idea of younger or more flexible people using all farms and but simultaneously [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► without being constrained by like well because you didn't used to have a [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► trackpad therefore there's no place for a trackpad and my computer so I'm not [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► gonna run out and buy on the track pants but I've kind of fascinated by that idea [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► and I may try to bring anything down from the shelf and trying to find a [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► place right on my keyboard right here I love that both are you always get up my [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► butt about how i buy everything that Apple makes I'm always buying everything [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► meanwhile I'm the only one here not even tempted a little bit by the trip had [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► because I just know I wouldn't use it but we'll see what actually happens [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► there's the talking about buying is you to buy back and you bought a Mac Pro and [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► who bought you know a new iPhone and so you're ahead of the actual buying I [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► never bought the last track pad that's been around for years [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► well the only reason I bought used on ebay the only reason I bought it was [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► ahead to various interviews did the track time I ancient non unibody Mac [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► does not do the gestures when they introduced the gestures and everything I [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► couldn't actually do them I didn't have any I didn't have your hardware from [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► Apple and I didn't have anything else to add the eBay a magic trackpad ledu ledu [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► I can't get over that exact same thing it wasn't very good condition it did not [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► smell like smoke but did you like and I cleaned it after I got it I don't even [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► want to think about the cleaning procedure you put them or trackpad man's [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► assumption it's exactly it's it's a miracle that that thing worked after you [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► surely dismantled in order to clean the inside that you would never of evidence [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► is that man's assumption of man's conjecture and I'm feeling doubtful [TS]

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00:26:38 ◼   ► want to talk more about this new iMac I put this lasting legacy supposed to be [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► for last week maybe its follow-up but it's more of the same topic [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► I just and that's a lot of people point this out but it was worth whatever you [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► more time in the 5400 rpm drive so Apple put up a website it . com slash iMac / [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► then iPhone and iPhone now it says hey let's compare the original iMac that [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► iconic computer from yesteryear with the new one just to see how far we've come [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► and they go I go sixty thousand times faster graphics at fourteen million more [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► pixels 1,000 times more RAM 750 times more storage 306 six times more [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► processing power but I'm pretty sure the hard drive in the original iMac was also [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► I would like the last number that's girls by mobile web page to be one x [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► more speed and a couple of people and he was like other World Computing articles [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► and saying oh it's not even though the RPMs the same to storage density is some [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► massively increase the bandwidth is higher i agree with that like a show if [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► you come from a spinning disk and you get another thing this computer this [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► thing this will be faster than yeltsin just as hard or technology gets better [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► you know the setting aside the storage density was just gonna give you hire you [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► know throughput for how many megabytes a second you pull the disc I'm sure the [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► seat times they're potentially better than well you know lots of things about [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► a modern art ever better than the big concur that was in the original iMac but [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► this is the reason about this in there is cause like this is the men arguing [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► about the 16 gigabytes of memory in the iPhone and how much RAM output used to [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► put the computers it's not so much the absolute number this kind of galls the [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► technology enthusiast so much it's like whatever numbers you come up with [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► whatever numbers you pick whatever you feel the line of products with a set of [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► parameters and the only thing i'm looking for is over time [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► make that number go up and that's kind of what this whole website is that look [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► how these numbers have gone up in on long-term you and does God look how much [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► better we done since 1998 good job as you'd 1998 2010 you made great advances [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► right but one to three years in a row with the same bottom storage here on [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► your phones is too much because it feels like where's the progress why are you [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► holding steady at the three year ago levels has really nothing changes three [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► years it is everything else exactly the same or are we making bigger pictures [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► are you making bigger [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► those are the application sizes increase in like all these things that change [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► do we have can we not get more storage for the same price you want to see [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► progress and it really is the most greeting thing for me about Apple cuz [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► I'm so going like oh progress progress is that whatever numbers you pick please [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► just let me see progress and it doesn't have to be every single month every [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► single six months and even maybe I'll give you passin every single year at the [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► previous year you were above the you know you are you seem to be generous but [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► as time passes and a state doesn't change that span that's 100 rpm hunters [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► like seriously I'm I remember purposely trying to avoid 5400 RPM hard drives on [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► laptops I but well before the unibody error was like oh you wanna get past [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► hard I get the 7200 rpm and feel like going back in time they are you know we [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► should be making progress and you are everywhere else SSD wow amazing progress [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► great spread the entire line except for these thinkers in the bottom which by [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► the way I think no one sent the Syrian but it occurred to me after the show [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► last week that the only reason for the bottom of the line red iMac is to get [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► people in the door you know the cars the advertised in the paper just get them [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► into the dealership but you never actually saw anyone that Carthago and [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► retina starts 1500 but not really cuz you should never buy the only got about [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► you always have to get the option for whatever you the option actually gives [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► you a transmission or whatever option they have the you know then you have to [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► take it to you know get the Convenience Package her $800 so that could be a [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► potential reason they're trying to hit a price point to get people into the red [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► in the line like once they start considering well does not look at this [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► hearing is a nice and you can get into this one from 1500 bucks but no one [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► should go out the door to $1500 model so let me start selling you sum up yet [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► another possibility at all thats anyway I just have to then in our site was like [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► Apple highlighting the worst feature of its new line of retin IMAX [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► unintentionally [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► nice I actually in my deep thoughts that I had earlier today apparently I had a [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► lot of time to think that early today I was thinking again about you know [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► whatever it is I upgrade my personal machine what should I get in we talk [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► about this over a couple episodes of Europe's it's back here thinking again [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► you know maybe the right answer is an iMac and maybe right answers I just got [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► 25 K iMac and the thing that made me stop at least you're honest now now now [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► we're getting to Real Talk yeah that's that's exactly right that's the most [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► real real talk anyway it occurred to me that the problem I have with with iMac [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► is that I oftentimes work from home as we talked about end when I do work from [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► home I want to be able to plug in an external monitor I I am one of those [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► people who more much better with two monitors or at least will give you more [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► than just the 15 inch monitor I have built into the computer and I don't [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► really care that there isn't a target display mode or whatever it's called but [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► in this case it would it would have made the conversation with myself a little [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► bit different if I knew I could plug my Mac into that stream if I couldn't get [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► read the resolutions even if it was just scaled or something that would make it a [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► much more compelling option because otherwise I'm never really going to be [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► able to plug into an external monitor or I'm gonna have to have a second monitor [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► sitting next to this 27 inch behemoth on my desk which I really don't want in so [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► I don't know what to do and I know that we talked about this before and I didn't [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► know what to do then and I still don't know what to do now but the fact that I [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► was really thinking about well how can I make an iMac work was weird for me in [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► the same way that the same I was thinking about we meet you should try to [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► make a trackpad worked for me that was another weird thought for me because I [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► have never been interesting desktop Macs or computers of any sort since college [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► I've never been interested in trackpads I use them because I have to not because [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► I want to track point for life so it's I've been having a bit of an identity [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► crisis with regard to my computer preferences over the last 24 hours have [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► you considered the iPad perot no not really want to know you're here consider [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► you seem to be open to all options now looks like crazy I'm standing interview [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► teaches you know it's really big screen now and now let's not talk talk although [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► I did briefly consider an iPad here too as opposed to my beloved many whenever [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► whenever I prayed that and that was also an odd thought I know just weird weird [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► times in my noggin these days gentlemen we are times you can do so much worse [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► than me [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► different do it's not worse it's different you just buy everything and [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► get rid of it instantly including business it's inconsistent but but but [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► yes at least you're consistent I both of us actually I although perhaps me more [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► vocally Hammond haha for three years and then eventually get something that we [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► should have bought three years later and like I said I'm probably gonna go when [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► they die max will be my wife's computer not mine I'm just waiting to see you [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► like the best way to decide which GPU I should get it worth it to get the big [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► one is the big one much hotter than the other one is it a ways to get the big [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► one because it gets dark times you might as well get the cheapest smallest [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► coolest one because the game room can be crap either way like i just want to see [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► benchmarks in numbers in my stuff and wait for everyone else to get the 11th [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► off the assembly line and then whatever it's worth I mean I haven't used the new [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► one yet but I imagine I know it's the same thermal design and you'll want me [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► maybe the actual thermal loading be different but in general gaming on a [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► five k iMac works fine but is loud what's it like it you you the fan is [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► loud when gaming yeah I don't think anything can be louder than my 13 inch [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► MacBook Air to my kids play minecraft I mean I don't know how much noise the [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► little tighter tonight jerry can make [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► but like it is it max speed and max volume and it's not that loud because [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► the area such a tiny machine but it sounds like it's being hurt the whole [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► time but amazing this machine isn't diet like it it made us sit in front of [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► Minecraft hours and just something about anal hairdryer behind there going oh no [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► it is not that bad at all but it is you know it's it's it's the same thing with [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► their league asymmetrical bleed on the 15 retina it's like it it sounds more [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► pleasant of a tone but it's it's still just as loud basically [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► anyway like I feel bad for them because you know that the 27 inch not read [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► numbers fell 27 inch monitor attached that little 13 inch air and they play [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► minecraft will screen at native res and think like 12 frames a second I just [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► don't know what they're missing I think but I like it and I like you know I [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► don't tolerate I guess it's what they used to like I guess this is my [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► minecraft is like on a computer like it's faster on their little like the [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► iPad 2 runs in Minecraft Pocket Edition at a higher frame rate much higher frame [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► rate than this MacBook Air runs on the 27 inch screen but still what else we [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► have going on we have something called Marcos pet topic you skipped a bunch of [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► things on top them with peripherals like follow postunfollow ok carry on and it's [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► a topic if things we didn't didn't mention last time we did mention last [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► time that the keyboard and trackpad work if they're plugged in [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► even if you have Bluetooth off so in theory you can buy a keyboard and [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► trackpad and connect them to a computer that does not have looted because even [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► though their Bluetooth peripherals and they charge their lightning port to [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► connect the USB at the other end theoretically you could buy a computer [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► with a broken bluetooth-enabled is it all and still club meetings and use them [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► and since the trackpad and keyboard don't move you don't have to worry about [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► framing the ends of the lightning cable by we're going back and forth and other [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► topic it's not an arab theories about why the charging port is on the bottom [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► of the mouse which talked about last time and [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► you know I was going to say athletics explains it a hundred percent that other [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► people have two areas like well if you that if you put the plug like where you [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► expect the cable to connect aside from it being ugly it would encourage people [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► to keep it plugged in all the time and use it like that and then that would [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► inevitably Fred lightning cables are not meant to be hanging around like that the [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► connector would start we're going or whatever so they're putting on the [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► bottom you sure that is impossible to use it when it is plugged in and [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► therefore no one will use it when it's plugged in that makes some sense I still [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► think aesthetics is the you know it is the obvious solution is the easiest [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► solution that explains that entirely yeah I guarantee you that was the reason [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► it was not because of the cables bring questions no not at all the reason was [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► it looks better on the idea that people would accidentally use it like they [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► understand they buy a wireless mouse once they realize they can work with [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► that someone will probably use it like that I don't doubt that these people [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► will do all sorts of things but in general I don't think it's like six [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► people would be confused or anything like that the only other like the last [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► week during a press day reasons makes so much sense except for the fact that when [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► you charge it is almost impossible to make it a statically pleasing while [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► charging and discharging is very infrequent occurrence but it's always [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► going to look like you've harpoon to turtle in the throes of death or already [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► dead when you charge it just doesn't look good [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► it's not a good luck there is no way like you know Johnny a delegate desk [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► with everything cleared off of it and is minimalist set up with his beautiful [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► Apple profiles of the key piece of sushi and then it got a charge his mouth and [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► it's just there's just no way to make that look good look at maybe maybe it's [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► like you know hanging lantern on it in the movies grip our lives like we have [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► this thing it's a problem let us point at the st. yes the seriously as a [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► problem there is no way to make it look good when charging guess what your mouse [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► is dead it was hard hit by lightning cable this is i mean this is kind of [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► lead this leads in very well my pet topic you wanna go into that [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► yes but before we do you tell us about something that's awesome [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► Johnstone's it tells about Apple's mouse click sounds concern is not part of your [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► thing though this was a link to get there was Stephen leave you're right he [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► got access to Apple's input peripherals lab Italy where they work up the mouse [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► and keyboard they're talking with the engineers and they're all serious about [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► everything we really sort the details until don't think story about how to [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► click sound of the new mouse wasn't quite right in the head to figure out [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► why didn't sound right and and just a little feet the touch the bottom they [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► were you know they angle defeat differently to make the residents of the [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► click sound better until I got the Cliq just right in talks about sweating the [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► details and a lot of people point out like that's all well and good I love the [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► use for the details on how nice the mouse click sounds but you may be [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► missing the forest trees in the lot of people say that the shape is not [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► particularly economic for a class of people who want to rest their tired and [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► in the mouth but I still say that the categorical like how you get the mouse [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► thing and be really concentrating on that everyone's ok with it with the [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► speared turtle charging various other details except this detail because they [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► say you know what I don't care what it looks like when it's charging have a [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► look as ugly and stupid and awkward if you want that is the Dell we are not [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► sweating it just fine just forget it [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► writes that so jealous wedding you click the mouse all the time you want to be [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► satisfying the feel-good you charge to mount a very infrequently its ok for [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► that to just be a total disaster or second lunch this week is automatic [TS]

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00:40:42 ◼   ► any kind of engine error code to your car through as you can see what it means [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► on a mannequin some of them you can even just clear it like if the code is [TS]

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00:41:07 ◼   ► combination of those things can do things like if you have an accident it [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► can automatically call for help if you also do similar things like it can give [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► you a log of your fuel efficiency and how you been driving where you been [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► driving give your parking location so you never lose your Carnaby parking lot [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► so much stuff like that and they also now have fairly recently they added apps [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► and so they have a whole SDK now so if your developer there's a whole API it's [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► it's a nice simple REST API Davis whole rich API that you can build apps against [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► they have all sorts of apps already things like concur for expense reports [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► FreshBooks for invoices couple watches have immigration for parking locations [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► that they also have integration with ifttt if this than that which gives you [TS]

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00:41:58 ◼   ► events that happened with you in your car love you can trigger things to [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► happen when you're getting close to home such as turning on your nest thermostat [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► all sorts of stuff you can do with the automatic API get automatic today [TS]

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00:42:44 ◼   ► let's talk about this topic years so this is so it was kind of inspired by [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► this iMac stuff you know what I'm saying like the you know being concerned about [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► the detail of how it looks when it's not plugged in and then the ridiculousness [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► of how the mouse looks when it is plugged in [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► and how you can't use it while charging and everything and then so we have been [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► an email from Florian koon lands and he said for me the new magic peripherals [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► discussion let me the impression that Apple's laser focus might be a bit too [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► focused they care about the sound of the mouse but not the weird charging port [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► position or at least not enough to change it meanwhile make a lot of sense [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► being able to use the National wired only like the other two new peripherals [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► similar with the iMac in the 5400 rpm hard drive why give it the Super Screen [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► but not a good drive safe with the iPhone and 16 gig and so on and so you [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► know for me that's an email I think this is this is a bigger discussion that that [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► i've i've kind of alluded to for a while but I think it's worth diving into here [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► these are relevant to know Apple we all like to think that that Apple always [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► does things that are best for usability and and the fact is that is not true now [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► and it really has never been true usability has always kind of been [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► balanced between appearance and profitability for lack of a better word [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► and it's it's kinda tight balance that Apple has had to walk if usefulness and [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► usability and Mike good engineering wise things being awesome if if those were [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► the top priorities regardless of how it would look or how how profitable it [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► would be Apple stuff would be like it would be more like the PC market we know [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► we have that in the market we see what that is like and that's not it's a very [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► low profit business it's very badly differentiated or minimally [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► differentiated it's not that great and so and also like you know people like us [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► who can I care about how things look a little bit you know who would like to [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► think that we are objective because we're geeks to think like it doesn't [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► matter how it looks August get the one functions best but who thinks that the [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► things that do okay so good so you know in in many cases people really do care [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► what it looks like so it looks room for any way I can look at almost any Apple [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► product and I can point out ways in which appearance or you know the overall [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► visual appeal just appearance [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► has trumped usefulness or real-world use like like you know John pointing out [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► that the mouse like when you when you charge it like that it looks ridiculous [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► when you have to charge it like on its back on its side whatever it is it looks [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► ridiculous right in reality Apple worked so hard to make the iPhone look super [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► thin and be super small and look great but almost every iPhone it's in the wild [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► is in some kind of crappy case because the iPhone is either it's a case for [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► durability much which is most of the time or for better grip [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► because the phones themselves are durable enough and don't offer good [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► enough grip or it's a case that's a battery case because the phones on offer [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► good enough battery life for people so it's like there's always you know [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► there's always these these tradeoffs that Apple makes for good looks similar [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► thing with the iPhone 6 design why is the sleep wake button directly across [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► from the volume up button which makes it very hard to hit just one of them [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► accidentally the reason most likely is because it looks better it is visually [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► symmetrical on that level and so it looks better than offset in the buttons [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► at all or by having them they have in the sleep button be like in the middle [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► or still on top or whatever you know there there it looked better that way [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► that might not be the only reason it's there but it's probably the biggest [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► reason it's there I don't think looks as the reason for this way I think I think [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► looks as the reason that the tops are aligned exactly but I don't think [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► there's any place you could put that is better than opposite the volume buttons [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► unfortunately to stop us too high and when you slide it under the power button [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► down they become much more awkward to reach so even if it was like centered [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► between the two rather than a line with the top 10 think that would help ya I do [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► actually I think it and it still wouldn't be ideal but I think it would [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► be easier to hit just one of them if they weren't exactly aligned [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► maybe maybe that would still be aesthetically line is the centerpiece [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► yeah but I'm sure somebody said I'm sure somebody with a no-look better anyway so [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► are their arguments are stronger we're going to get weaker as you went on as in [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► weekend is defined by whether I agree with your not sure let's let's go and [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► there's even with the new stuff like the iPad pro III called out and many people [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► did one of the problems of the iPad Pro two people are going to have in practice [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► is that there's nowhere on it to put the pencil dick if you have a pencil there [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► is nowhere on the iPad even if you buy the big keyboard case there's no slot [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► for the pencil and part that is super thin there's nowhere today it's just not [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► thick enough to have a slot the pencil by the way which has great pointed out [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► on cortex the pencil which is perfectly round and can roll away because that [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► looks better than just in the person who forgot it was it posted a picture of the [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► you know the service the stylist to the surface for it's it's it's shaped like a [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► pencil and the Apple pencil shaped like a pen exactly anyway so there's issues [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► with that you know where you know at least make you know for the keyboard [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► case at least make a whole as you know there's gonna be a million third-party [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► iPad cases are going to have 10 holes in them because its people actually need if [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► they're gonna they're gonna have the iPad pencil but you know it would be [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► great if Apple made them and examples cases are generally pretty nice so any [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► way attached with a channel that the banks like one of those a little metal [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► chains just so no one walks away with it and you can have the metal things are [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► clicking around attorney right that'd be great right obviously you know the new [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► MacBook one that has a lot of these tradeoffs for thinness because it looks [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► nicer and you know it as I rented made from before I think the keyboard and [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► trackpad both suffer from that from this tradeoff used to make it look thinner [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► but again the MacBook how many people go buy MacBooks because they are they they [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► they insist they kind of inspire lust like when you when you touch when you [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► see my god it's amazing so it does work [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► the iMac is a curious case of this because like the iMac and Mac Pro you [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► could call these thinks the iMac is really really thin [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► and if they if they would be willing to make it thicker even just the the [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► thickness it used to be you'd be able to do a lot of things that we very nice you [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► could for instance the 21 inch model could use three and a half in charge [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► reza can which would make them faster and cheaper and larger [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► you could if it was thicker you can have a more robust cooling solutions that you [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► can have the fans that don't spin as as fast under high load so like what the [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► fuck the Mac Pro has that one giant fan which is awesome because you can stress [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► out a Mac Pro like crazy and you will not hear it no matter what it's doing [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► you will not hear it [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► the iMac is much more designed like a laptop and because it's so super thin [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► account has to be the iMac is 119 fan the middle or something that anyway it's [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► like it has to spend really fast under under very heavy CPU and GPU loads and [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► it's very loud as a result the if they'd be willing to make the enclosure thicker [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► they could have larger slower fans in there that could have the same degree of [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► cooling but they don't because it looks better when it's then from the side [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► which is like I have a look at this five chemical my desk if it was three inches [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► sticker I would never notice just could never see it I'm looking at it head-on [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► against the ball it doesn't matter what time they reception desk at a fancy [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► office people do see ya but even then but yeah that's why they do it and it [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► looks nice in the press shots and they like saying house then it is even though [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► it's only that down the edge but oh well oh and also with the iMac one of the [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► biggest complaints what the heck is that the stands too low if you actually want [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► to have an ergonomically correct setup with an iMac or Apple Cinema Display you [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► have to like putting on a book or something you have to lift it up by [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► about three inches what is yours on mine is on a call the elevation stand but [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► they had a top of New Year weird expensive German Empire I used to [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► because those are also the exact right hype and now I moved to the left and [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► right to their holdings speaker speakers up anyway so I have the heavy elevations [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► generalization lab which is pretty perfect [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► miners and I myself until I mind my nightstand to my standards are high [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► enough that like a clear he selects and kind of curtain you shape right could be [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► higher still I kind of thing well I'm surely gonna replace 23 inch monitor as [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► soon as they come up with the big 27 inch monitor whatever and I just never [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► going to live for a long time but yeah you're right all the stands are too low [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► which the solution that other monitor makers do like the NEC racist or [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► whatever they may be justified stands like a special the fancier models and [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► justified stands just all across and don't feel good to use you know me and [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► Mike and I do that because making an adjustable heights that making a very [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► good thing would be really expensive and making it makes them feel bad about [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► their products so they don't so it's a single continuous piece of bent aluminum [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► with a little hole for the cable to get out of it and even then like you know [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► obviously in all of their photos of it there's no cables plugged in the new [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► products but because they're ugly but I get like in the reality of somebody [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► using these these Apple products is usually a clear in clunkier than the way [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► they're presented and because it looks great and I don't really i cant we blame [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► them for that but I do wish they that they are designed to consider more and I [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► think it seems like over time the reason I bring all this up the reason why i [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► wanna talk with us tonight is that does seem like over time the balance between [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► what is like what is the best overall product versus what looks the best [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► versus what's most profitable I feel like the the best overall product side [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► of that triangle has been losing a little too much recently that in seeking [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► out higher average selling prices more up sells more profit and also I think I [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► don't know how the internal politics work but it does seem like the most [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► powerful person in the company's Jony ive it from the outside but that's how [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► it looks to me it seems like he can do whatever he wants and that anything he [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► says just goes [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► steve was so involved in product and design and getting Stephen Johnny had a [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► really nice balance going that Tim and Johnny just can't have esteem is not the [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► same kind of person he he he doesn't get it he's not really in that role as much [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► and so I think now johnny has so much power and adds going less checked go up [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► possibly the unchecked and so we're seeing now is like Percy like that the [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► Johnny and Tim sides get really strong and let you know if you think about tim [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► is it to profitability side right you know he that is Apple is now on the [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► profitability johnny is making these beautiful looking objects but it seems [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► like that that advocate for keeping the product in check with Steve and at that [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► role is now just kind of you know it's falling to other people but none of them [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► really our as maybe I admit power maybe it's just you know high-ranking whatever [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► it is none of them are exerting much influence seems over the product line [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► the way steve did and could versus johnnie and Tim who are like if you [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► think about johnny is one of the beautiful things in Timisoara the [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► profitability which those are probably over simplifications but those are [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► clearly like kind of where their strengths of light in the past if you [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► look at that it does seem like there this is kind of vacuum where Steve used [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► to be in keeping the product stuff in better balanced with those two factors [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► and I would put Stephen they can't this just as extreme in terms of wanting to [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► remove everything and it seems to me every time you talk to every sits on [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► interviews Steve Jobs it always seemed like what he really wanted to receive [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► care at all like what he really wanted to see was the iPad right can we just [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► get rid of all I don't want any ports I don't want any expansion slot and I just [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► wanted to be like a beautiful single piece obelisk that has no features on it [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► whatsoever but is a computing device like I mean he's the guy who made the [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► PowerMac g4 cube like he wanted to get rid of it all [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► highlighted get rid of it all and yet even in the cube did he make the queue [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► with no FireWire ports with no connections for a keyboard with [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► everything Wireless no because he couldn't he couldn't do that yet and so [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► I definitely feel like if he was still around that it matters but anyway he [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► said he would be on the side of get rid of everything and in in in that vein [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► like the idea of getting rid of everything [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► trying to stop between life it was like profitability does it look nice and is [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► it a good overall product whatever yeah basically there is there is a little bit [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► of overlap there because I want to look at that the products they're making [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► these days [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► side something that jobs would be totally going home moving everything [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► important everything will be turned just making them have nothing and just [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► removing all choice because they just need that crap and its annoying there is [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► something to be said for whether intentionally or accidentally and I [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► think it is mostly intentionally doing stuff like removing the number of [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► possible moving parts are you moving and reducing the number of joints fewer [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► parts fewer joints fewer moving things fewer parts fewer holes simpler smaller [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► less stuff that does actually make a better product and aggressively pursuing [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► that can get you you know it's not like a smooth gradient of like well it was [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► more ports are good but few reports your things to break Apple seems to always be [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► looking for the next kind of discontinuity or step jumper it's like [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► was removed you know you could be argued that the you know the iPhone or the iPad [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► like that if we remove everything about computers to give you a little hand-held [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► computer smartphone or remove everything about it no finer no file system no [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► install your own apps like they're looking for that harbor designed to now [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► successful today make products that actually the people appreciate I was [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► great it only has one port see how it's better than two because one is cheaper [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► than two and it's less things to break it simply involve blood I think they [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► blow it a lot but it seems to me what they're going for all the time is to try [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► to to try to make it simpler and that instinct is mostly a good instincts just [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► like when you're putting the axis of like is this a better product it's it's [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► judging by the criteria of like kind of is it used for me in the same way that [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► the previous night visions for me only faster [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► and nicer looking or whatever and they're always trying to say but we want [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► to go beyond that we want we want you do not need any port Huon need you know if [TS]

00:57:30 ◼   ► they can make mice and keyboards that you didn't plugin ever they would like [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► tiny little atomic power plants like they would seal them up and just say [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► like you never played these in their wireless forever if they could put [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► wireless power to the iMac looks like I didn't approach shots they would like [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► they do they want to remove everything that makes us think computer they wish [TS]

00:57:46 ◼   ► if you could give like gonna have a magic wand and say you can make it [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► appear that anything you want [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► assuming he didn't immediately go into images projected on the back here right [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► now by Nana machines he would just make a beautiful floating screen that floats [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► in mid-air and has no edges right and input devices that are invisible to do [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► their own mind control or controlled by your hands not touching anything in [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► there but there would be nothing like they all want to get rid of the computer [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► and just make it it's you and the screen that's all there is maybe they'll make [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► something like BR whatever and so I see in this thing that you're attributing to [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► a static says and I want to look like a beautiful sculpture or a nickel and [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► diming is in the GPU and I could support to external screens as people are saying [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► but there will be more ports and airports means supporting those ports [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► and making sure we have the buses go through this it's more expensive than a [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► good drama holes in the case of whatever then just trying to say we just wanted [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► you know Johnny ivan is white world boiled down to its essence what is it [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► just you and the screen you shouldn't need more than one screen just you and [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► this beautiful screen is just wrapping around your whole head and it's all you [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► could see you put your hand on the sushi and yeah a little keyboard that has no [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► edges and nothing is plugged in and there are no wires and that's the world [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► you know I see them striving for that and I kind of blood then strengthened I [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► don't attributed all to just Johnny Ives disconnect from like well I don't want [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► people to actually use in the culture if he does want to be useful things he just [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► has the same sort of allergy that every sentence Steve Jobs to the to the degree [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► balls in an island parlance or Special Victims reprise of computers the little [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► dude ads and doohickies and ports in Flanders and switches that means one [TS]

00:59:22 ◼   ► more patient has gone from the stupid iPad like to get rid of its which if we [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► can get rid of it does I want to do nothing and its full screen like that's [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► why I think the home button is going away just like one of the few remaining [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► moving parts in the think so but I totally get your [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► point I just I'm myself internally conflicted about applauding their their [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► aspirations while at the same time saying you missed the mark with this [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► particular feature a product or whatever we may differ on what those are so I get [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► where you're coming from but I sympathize well but most of what you [TS]

00:59:54 ◼   ► just said I agree with you know it's it's just really an issue of light of [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► the balance and we know whether they have the right balance now or not I [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► totally agree that like generally that the track there on the direction they're [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► going is generally good and and I generally think obviously the world [TS]

01:00:09 ◼   ► thinks so too it's working for them you know who might have to say to say that [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► this company is doing something wrong but but you know the reality is that in [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► the real world there are things that are not ideal [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► with the way that stuff works and I and i do think again I think they're on the [TS]

01:00:26 ◼   ► right track [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► overall but there are little late course corrections that are that are necessary [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► that are not happening now that it does seem like it's kind of out of whack with [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► the priorities and and that might get magnified overtime I don't know I mean [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► when I read that johnnie I was was moving into the clouds to to be his new [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► position I was happy everyone else was like Oh no johnnie I was like let him [TS]

01:00:52 ◼   ► let him ascend to into into the heavens to wherever he wants to do because I [TS]

01:00:56 ◼   ► would love to get new blood under him get new people up there get new ideas [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► here the whole team like he's not coming up with all these designs in the most [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► you can say is that he's giving yes no no yes 217 designs that are presented [TS]

01:01:09 ◼   ► him so in that way he has an influence over the company but other people are [TS]

01:01:12 ◼   ► designing these products may be gives them notes maybe says I'm thinking and [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► thinking like an egg but with no rounded parts Co like any of them but he's not [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► there with a pencil drawing every single product I don't know which products even [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► has a handed but you like it in the same with Steve Jobs and run anything he was [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► just saying sitting back and say I had something like leather-like of my head [TS]

01:01:35 ◼   ► and then I was six when coming to go no yes yes no no yes [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► example no no yes like diana is more involved and Steve Jobs just saying no [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► and yes but like we're using him as a standard just the people who get the [TS]

01:01:45 ◼   ► idea that [TS]

01:01:46 ◼   ► using him and his wife see the standards of new blood I feel like with him [TS]

01:01:50 ◼   ► sending that maybe that he had delegating more of the what makes the [TS]

01:01:56 ◼   ► kind of what doesn't and maybe also delegating the the direction I got what [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► I was think about it did you read this book its gonna hurt anyone it's pretty [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► good talking about the early iMac designs and how they like when I would [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► go out of ways with this phone thing is probably gonna be some kind of rectangle [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► rounded may have a couple different designs and one of them was essentially [TS]

01:02:17 ◼   ► the iPhone 4 decide you know you know the one we all know that looks like ice [TS]

01:02:20 ◼   ► cream sandwich with the day you know that metal thing and into the glass [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► thing on the front back that was like one of the very first designs they were [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► thinking for the iPhone they just couldn't make it happen for the iPhone [TS]

01:02:31 ◼   ► one is just like well that's great you know there was there was one of their [TS]

01:02:35 ◼   ► ideas in the next and it was like manufacturability problems and how big [TS]

01:02:39 ◼   ► it had to be and the timeline of the head and so they basically had to say [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► even though I like the design the best what about this is unknown at this time [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► with the iPhone came up with is like the fourth compromise down of like none of [TS]

01:02:51 ◼   ► us really like this designed like if you think its original I i phone you can [TS]

01:02:55 ◼   ► tell John Adams really upset about many aspects of it right but it's the best I [TS]

01:02:58 ◼   ► could do with the time and materials and skills they had the time but eventually [TS]

01:03:02 ◼   ► by the time the iPhone 4 came round didn't give up his like I remember that [TS]

01:03:05 ◼   ► ice cream sandwich when it was pretty awesome we're gonna make that phone and [TS]

01:03:08 ◼   ► they did eventually make it that's that's kind of the you know the [TS]

01:03:13 ◼   ► compromises that are necessary in industrial design and I see a lot of the [TS]

01:03:18 ◼   ► price they're making now like the ones that look like transitional fossils are [TS]

01:03:21 ◼   ► it's like we're not quite at the point where you get all these things but they [TS]

01:03:24 ◼   ► have a design that almost tries to get rid of them but leaves this little weird [TS]

01:03:26 ◼   ► vestige and in that way you can kind of see the previous iteration now that the [TS]

01:03:31 ◼   ► new keyboard is out [TS]

01:03:32 ◼   ► look at the old tiny Bluetooth keyboard like crap on the edge and why is that [TS]

01:03:37 ◼   ► big barrel thing over there and understand it like it's it seems [TS]

01:03:41 ◼   ► unnecessary and that's what they're trying to do with their minds maybe they [TS]

01:03:43 ◼   ► had this idea like the first time they drew we're gonna make a Bluetooth [TS]

01:03:46 ◼   ► keyboard go though they did you listen yet we can't do that we need a place to [TS]

01:03:52 ◼   ► the batteries [TS]

01:03:53 ◼   ► and you know we need to be bigger welcomes all about this I don't know [TS]

01:03:57 ◼   ► that strippers make this up like but the whole idea that the money it's the idea [TS]

01:04:03 ◼   ► that anyone inside a police but particularly pleased with any product [TS]

01:04:07 ◼   ► they produce because I think every project put out there is potentially a [TS]

01:04:11 ◼   ► design that they really wanted to make the theater couldn't or didn't make that [TS]

01:04:14 ◼   ► still sitting in the back of their own mind in knowing them that's what drives [TS]

01:04:18 ◼   ► into it to make the next one so maybe sometimes maybe a lot of people inside [TS]

01:04:23 ◼   ► Apple are just as disappointed in like the lobby back of the iMac as we are [TS]

01:04:27 ◼   ► just like they you know that's zionist compromising have to say what can we [TS]

01:04:32 ◼   ► ship and with that but the palace but the best we can take a look in the [TS]

01:04:35 ◼   ► twentieth anniversary remember that the big radical thing you know how someone [TS]

01:04:41 ◼   ► that Hackett's obsessed with yeah it's it's weird anyway that one was a Jony [TS]

01:04:46 ◼   ► ive design on this beautiful to me that I can use one of these new fancy LCD [TS]

01:04:50 ◼   ► screens in leather and wood and all this stuff like that but then they said it [TS]

01:04:54 ◼   ► had to have like port server was attentive some expanded buildings like [TS]

01:04:58 ◼   ► he had to put this big giant backpack on the things like he had to take pictures [TS]

01:05:02 ◼   ► design that he liked and and like two inches like this big lump on the back of [TS]

01:05:06 ◼   ► its you can see if you go for you see the 20th anniversary Mac both with and [TS]

01:05:10 ◼   ► without the lump I forget it was expansion chassis expansion cards or [TS]

01:05:13 ◼   ► something like that that was mandated to him from above the Johnny of today will [TS]

01:05:18 ◼   ► not let that be mandated from above some 100 by the way after your design thing [TS]

01:05:22 ◼   ► actually asked to have three more ports drill some holes he's gonna go know that [TS]

01:05:27 ◼   ► i think is better because of a compromise on 20th anniversary Mac makes [TS]

01:05:31 ◼   ► that machine worse than if you just said I'm making it the way I want to make it [TS]

01:05:35 ◼   ► if it doesn't have whatever the future I was the backpack added oh well tough [TS]

01:05:39 ◼   ► luck that's what's gotten you can just accept that and say this is the computer [TS]

01:05:43 ◼   ► and it looks the way I want to look and get the features and I wanna be don't [TS]

01:05:46 ◼   ► like it no more by Ike the PowerMac g5 g4 cube embargo back you'll reconsider [TS]

01:05:50 ◼   ► will go back to our rooms and think about what we've done and try again and [TS]

01:05:53 ◼   ► try to make a computer people will buy [TS]

01:05:55 ◼   ► don't know how I feel about this because on the one side I agree with you guys [TS]

01:06:00 ◼   ► and I think that there are there are a lot of compromises I would love to have [TS]

01:06:05 ◼   ► a phone that I would never even have to think twice about lasting all day I [TS]

01:06:10 ◼   ► would love to have a phone that when I go to a football game I don't wanna be [TS]

01:06:15 ◼   ► using my phone a fair bit and I'm gonna be searching for signal for three and a [TS]

01:06:18 ◼   ► half hours I don't need to bother putting in the battery case yes I am [TS]

01:06:23 ◼   ► aware that the + club exists but I am a human with human sized hands so I want [TS]

01:06:28 ◼   ► to human sized phone I would love to have a fun little thicker a little more [TS]

01:06:32 ◼   ► battery but I'm looking at my phone now and it is a freaking beautiful device it [TS]

01:06:38 ◼   ► really truly is and with this Apple leather case on it is perhaps less [TS]

01:06:42 ◼   ► beautiful than it could possibly be but it's still freaking beautiful and i [TS]

01:06:48 ◼   ► charge my phone every night and only have to worry about battery life when I [TS]

01:06:52 ◼   ► know I'm going to be using it hard all day long [TS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► otherwise never have to worry about it is that really so bad could it be better [TS]

01:07:00 ◼   ► shore but is that really so bad I was thinking earlier today in my continued [TS]

01:07:05 ◼   ► deep thoughts I really do love this new 15 inch Retina MacBook Pro that work on [TS]

01:07:08 ◼   ► me it's beautiful it's dinner noticeably thinner I like that it's thinner I like [TS]

01:07:14 ◼   ► that it doesn't have an on-board optical drive I kinda wish it had on board [TS]

01:07:20 ◼   ► Ethernet port but I've I can fix that very easily I know what I'm saying I [TS]

01:07:27 ◼   ► mean latency for have any place quickly reunited really want to wait for the ego [TS]

01:07:34 ◼   ► no I actually decided I needed to get out why already have one but I would [TS]

01:07:40 ◼   ► have needed to get a thunderbolt Ethernet adapter for work because the [TS]

01:07:46 ◼   ► company where I am working does not give [TS]

01:07:49 ◼   ► access to the restricted areas of their network except by hardline so with my [TS]

01:07:56 ◼   ► Mac I need to get on an Ethernet connection in order to get to the [TS]

01:08:01 ◼   ► servers that I need in order to develop the things I need to develop so would I [TS]

01:08:06 ◼   ► have liked to have had an onboard Ethernet port to hell yeah but what I [TS]

01:08:11 ◼   ► have chosen that over just bringing the dongle and having a device that's [TS]

01:08:15 ◼   ► perfect or more or nearly perfect in every other measurable way I probably [TS]

01:08:21 ◼   ► take the dongle so I don't know it it's a very tough thing in this is what makes [TS]

01:08:24 ◼   ► engineering so beautiful is that you get to make these tough engineering [TS]

01:08:27 ◼   ► decisions as to what's more important and I agree with you especially John [TS]

01:08:32 ◼   ► that I think every engineering decision that Apple makes a nice I would expect [TS]

01:08:36 ◼   ► that they have a serious amount of regret about every single one but [TS]

01:08:40 ◼   ► they're doing the best they possibly can and I think that's the case with all of [TS]

01:08:44 ◼   ► their devices and deliver them to do it better shore better for me absolutely [TS]

01:08:49 ◼   ► but better for everyone I know is what I was looking for this but I'm always [TS]

01:08:53 ◼   ► looking for an apple computer is the time when it all comes together when [TS]

01:08:56 ◼   ► there were no major design compromises made like we wish we could have made its [TS]

01:09:03 ◼   ► this thinner this size are at this battery life for this performance of the [TS]

01:09:06 ◼   ► speech but we did enough room is too expensive or departs from ready in time [TS]

01:09:09 ◼   ► or the materials used in workout or whatever it's just an all around good [TS]

01:09:14 ◼   ► computer that's like ahead of its time the last for a long time that is sturdy [TS]

01:09:19 ◼   ► thats nice looking that looks don't go out of date like you're in that same [TS]

01:09:23 ◼   ► thing with cars for that matter [TS]

01:09:25 ◼   ► 911 aside when there's the windows the one model that's like that was the one [TS]

01:09:31 ◼   ► to get that's where it all came together briefly even if it all came together [TS]

01:09:33 ◼   ► like oh 265 version of that as the you know the height of [TS]

01:09:38 ◼   ► the pre fuel injection error like just the beautiful specimen we're all comes [TS]

01:09:42 ◼   ► together and those are those computers are rarely macro did those big like best [TS]

01:09:47 ◼   ► Mac everything's on BSE 30 kept coming up because I think that is the correct [TS]

01:09:50 ◼   ► answer be because a lot of people felt the same way about it and that obviously [TS]

01:09:55 ◼   ► modern maxis a much better but for that time it was like it was the perfection [TS]

01:09:59 ◼   ► of that form it was they had perfected that form factor the innards of it where [TS]

01:10:03 ◼   ► the best as they could possibly be everything about it was better than all [TS]

01:10:06 ◼   ► previous computers of that size they last a long time you could expand in [TS]

01:10:11 ◼   ► ways that you didn't expect it was sturdy was beautiful like it was just [TS]

01:10:15 ◼   ► that was that was a peak and I think you can pick out other models it like that [TS]

01:10:18 ◼   ► the five cam could be like that maybe you could quibble over the Thunderbolt [TS]

01:10:23 ◼   ► compromise and say well it's like in between the Thunderbolt three Aaron the [TS]

01:10:27 ◼   ► USBC it was a little weird to me that qualify but I'm sure we can pick out [TS]

01:10:31 ◼   ► ones like to to have at the 2008 Mac Pro a pretty damn good like in kind of in [TS]

01:10:36 ◼   ► the middle of the run of the of the cheese graters you know post Intel you [TS]

01:10:39 ◼   ► know after all the g5 stuff or whatever but before they start to get kind of [TS]

01:10:43 ◼   ► long in the tooth and that's a great computer that was that was a high point [TS]

01:10:47 ◼   ► looking at any other type of device meant to say like for the iPhone line [TS]

01:10:52 ◼   ► one of the high points in the iPhone I I would definitely picked for industrial [TS]

01:10:57 ◼   ► design anyway before but maybe I'm wrong about that because I'm not looking at [TS]

01:11:01 ◼   ► like the broken home buttons and the crappy antenna that when you grab the [TS]

01:11:04 ◼   ► edges of the stuff but like industrial design wise ignoring the other parts of [TS]

01:11:08 ◼   ► the things that maybe that's not the 1 I'm you know I don't know what would you [TS]

01:11:11 ◼   ► guys I'd say the high points for the 3G S and 25 S maybe I mean like everything [TS]

01:11:16 ◼   ► out there on things but it depends on my criteria and that thing is for the [TS]

01:11:20 ◼   ► designers do they care so much like oh the stupid engineer script the home [TS]

01:11:24 ◼   ► button that's not my fault the part that I did my design like i like it so much I [TS]

01:11:28 ◼   ► really liked you know what you said 33 yes I think inside Apple's industrial [TS]

01:11:33 ◼   ► design thing is it just a big plastic bubble on back but anyway but for the [TS]

01:11:37 ◼   ► time you know it was insanely fast in a great great innards huge upgrade the [TS]

01:11:43 ◼   ► press one but also very practical it has great credibility on that case it was it [TS]

01:11:47 ◼   ► was durable [TS]

01:11:49 ◼   ► and long-term you could see it I don't think it really had any major hardware [TS]

01:11:53 ◼   ► floodwaters in the forehead the antenna issue it had the the bad proximity [TS]

01:11:57 ◼   ► sensor and in the 40 S had his dying home buttons and the five had the flaky [TS]

01:12:02 ◼   ► finish in like there is all the end and the five also I believe head home button [TS]

01:12:06 ◼   ► issue Armenia button issue where is the fight that I think actually really was [TS]

01:12:11 ◼   ► was pretty rock-solid I don't think anybody really had consistent hardware [TS]

01:12:15 ◼   ► problems with the 5s and I now it's in the design there was a high point that's [TS]

01:12:19 ◼   ► that's like that's that's your priorities I would I would imagine that [TS]

01:12:22 ◼   ► does not anyone in the design team would pick the 3ds as the design High Point no [TS]

01:12:27 ◼   ► definitely not just just isolating myself in that part of it sorry like I [TS]

01:12:31 ◼   ► don't care that much about the design it was nice and I look nice and it was [TS]

01:12:34 ◼   ► crippled but the point is that it was felt like all the things you listen to [TS]

01:12:38 ◼   ► the product attributes that you are giving a ranking of like which ones do [TS]

01:12:41 ◼   ► you prioritize and that's why maybe design people would prioritize the [TS]

01:12:47 ◼   ► materials and physical appearance and be like well I have no control over the [TS]

01:12:50 ◼   ► stuff they put inside the phone so if they screw that part up is not my fault [TS]

01:12:54 ◼   ► and I feel like the pinnacle was whatever their favorite designers and [TS]

01:12:57 ◼   ► the flaking finish even gonna be like well flicking finish that's not really [TS]

01:13:02 ◼   ► my probably should the provinces Apple's designer noticed a problem to look [TS]

01:13:06 ◼   ► perfect when it was new [TS]

01:13:07 ◼   ► just don't touch it you know it can't be played I can't do the accent but my kiss [TS]

01:13:13 ◼   ► in that movie the mic at the movies in a row of those movies now seeing them in [TS]

01:13:17 ◼   ► cases not like which one was filed how you know yeah definitely yeah anyway [TS]

01:13:24 ◼   ► mark i'd give up [TS]

01:13:26 ◼   ► yeah you know I haven't seen anything anyway the point is we should all be [TS]

01:13:31 ◼   ► kings of her own companies with the resources of Apple executive products we [TS]

01:13:35 ◼   ► want until we find out that we can get what we want either because the [TS]

01:13:38 ◼   ► materials are available or the chips cost too much or Intel is not ready or [TS]

01:13:42 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

01:13:43 ◼   ► carl s budget this week is fracture go to fracture me.com fracture is vivid [TS]

01:13:49 ◼   ► color prints of photos directly on glass these prints look awesome and I have so [TS]

01:13:55 ◼   ► many of them around my office now I are friends are all getting them they are so [TS]

01:14:00 ◼   ► nice so here it is [TS]

01:14:02 ◼   ► you get your photos printed on a slab of glass and it's it's a nice thin slab of [TS]

01:14:07 ◼   ► glass so it's very easy on the eyes like it a lot so but it also works really [TS]

01:14:14 ◼   ► well hit it satisfies both the side because it is very very lightweight you [TS]

01:14:20 ◼   ► don't have to be all stressed out the way I would be about hanging on the wall [TS]

01:14:23 ◼   ► and having like put in some giant drawing double anchor and hope it [TS]

01:14:26 ◼   ► doesn't like Fallout or tear a hole in your wall or whatever else it is [TS]

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01:14:35 ◼   ► also now going to this holiday season I highly recommend first of all in general [TS]

01:14:40 ◼   ► I highly recommend fractures as gifts I have done that myself many times I'm [TS]

01:14:46 ◼   ► doing more of this holiday season however fracture prints are all handmade [TS]

01:14:50 ◼   ► and checked by real people in Gainesville Florida in the holiday [TS]

01:14:54 ◼   ► season they often get really backed up with orders because there are just so [TS]

01:14:58 ◼   ► many people who have figured out thank you everyone who figured out to use [TS]

01:15:02 ◼   ► fracture for holiday gifts that sometimes they can't like if you wait [TS]

01:15:06 ◼   ► until mid December say to order a holiday or you might get it in time is [TS]

01:15:11 ◼   ► there gonna be so backed up by then so they want to ask you please if you're [TS]

01:15:15 ◼   ► gonna be ordering for the holidays [TS]

01:15:16 ◼   ► place your orders now it's already as its you know mid to late October already [TS]

01:15:22 ◼   ► it's you know november is coming very soon and in December comes after that in [TS]

01:15:26 ◼   ► case you've forgotten I frequently forget and this it surprises me but [TS]

01:15:30 ◼   ► trust me you any orders in nablus fracture many people have figured out [TS]

01:15:34 ◼   ► how good this is and they're alright people figure this out please place your [TS]

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01:15:44 ◼   ► directly on glass they make great gifts too great to hang around your house and [TS]

01:15:48 ◼   ► your office I use mine to have my app icons printed never make a new appt I [TS]

01:15:52 ◼   ► printed the iconic hero up top [TS]

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01:16:08 ◼   ► thanks to fracture for supporting us for so long [TS]

01:16:11 ◼   ► thanks a lot recommended alright what is Facebook battery alright so actually I [TS]

01:16:18 ◼   ► think she's been one of the leading investigators on this right now you're [TS]

01:16:21 ◼   ► talking about the ridiculous battery usage yet it got so everyone's I mean [TS]

01:16:26 ◼   ► many people have known for a while that the Facebook app is incredibly battery [TS]

01:16:31 ◼   ► inefficient but nobody really had a great deal of wire how that was that way [TS]

01:16:36 ◼   ► and a few things change in iOS nine one of the biggest things that changed is [TS]

01:16:42 ◼   ► that the iOS 9 battery shaming menu screen settings it now will will tell [TS]

01:16:49 ◼   ► you you know how many hours things were on screen and how many are there in the [TS]

01:16:52 ◼   ► background and also tell you what they were doing in the background so say [TS]

01:16:56 ◼   ► things like audio or network will tell you what it was do you know background [TS]

01:17:01 ◼   ► refresh what it was doing in the background people have been noticing [TS]

01:17:05 ◼   ► that the Facebook app is somehow being woken up really for a very long times [TS]

01:17:10 ◼   ► for background music even when they are not using the absolute the have like you [TS]

01:17:14 ◼   ► know like one guy had the app was open for two minutes was in the background [TS]

01:17:19 ◼   ► for like seven hours or something like that and use of a time as bad as some [TS]

01:17:23 ◼   ► crazy difference like that and more importantly what people are finding even [TS]

01:17:27 ◼   ► if they disabled the background to a free fresh it was still finding ways to [TS]

01:17:32 ◼   ► run in the background and in some cases use even more battery often by doing [TS]

01:17:37 ◼   ► really really sleazy tricks like Saudi remember back forever go in like 10 2009 [TS]

01:17:44 ◼   ► 2010 somewhat that forever ago before you could do much in the background of [TS]

01:17:50 ◼   ► iOS one of the things you could do was if you were one of the very first [TS]

01:17:54 ◼   ► background includes an iOS four whenever they can [TS]

01:17:56 ◼   ► one of the very first and you could do was you could play audio so if you're if [TS]

01:18:01 ◼   ► you're on your podcast app or in a streaming music service that was one of [TS]

01:18:05 ◼   ► the things that you could run indefinitely if you're playing audio [TS]

01:18:08 ◼   ► and so one of the first things that somebody I forget who was some what [TS]

01:18:13 ◼   ► happened to me was at a spot that did this silence silence of the time yes so [TS]

01:18:19 ◼   ► yes they they they submitted an app that that through this clever hack you could [TS]

01:18:23 ◼   ► run indefinitely if you were playing audio and so they figure out if you guys [TS]

01:18:29 ◼   ► played silence will give you your voting the audio buffer B you're sending it all [TS]

01:18:33 ◼   ► silence in the buffer your app can run indefinitely and so they were using this [TS]

01:18:37 ◼   ► to do clipboard history management clipboard you know sharing between [TS]

01:18:40 ◼   ► computers and everything and Apple very quickly figured out what they were doing [TS]

01:18:45 ◼   ► and ban them from doing this Facebook is how did the same trick in 2015 and [TS]

01:18:51 ◼   ► apples permitting it would happen is that what it's come down to I didn't [TS]

01:18:56 ◼   ► realize we figured it out yet so people have done have done some investigation [TS]

01:19:00 ◼   ► and Facebook is using background audio to play silence to stay running as long [TS]

01:19:05 ◼   ► as possible and among other tricks and so I can explain at least one thing so [TS]

01:19:10 ◼   ► first of all I've had so many people report bugs me an overcast that sound [TS]

01:19:14 ◼   ► really weird that like not playing in the background after they've launched [TS]

01:19:18 ◼   ► Facebook or something and now I'm suspecting the hated to Facebook stupid [TS]

01:19:22 ◼   ► activity but also people have wondered if i if i block you with background [TS]

01:19:28 ◼   ► refresh and I feel like if I disable back I'm refresh for your appt and I [TS]

01:19:33 ◼   ► have no quote force quit your a bike in a moving picture how do you still run in [TS]

01:19:38 ◼   ► the background and I can answer this question [TS]

01:19:40 ◼   ► back when newsday was unveiled one of the cool new things new staff could do [TS]

01:19:44 ◼   ► was call the content available push notification normally if you if you run [TS]

01:19:49 ◼   ► a web service and you want to send something to all the iPhone people that [TS]

01:19:53 ◼   ► are using your appt you could send notifications but previously to that [TS]

01:19:57 ◼   ► notifications had to be visible on screen you you couldn't just send an app [TS]

01:20:00 ◼   ► like an empty notification to have it just start running and download new [TS]

01:20:04 ◼   ► stuff you couldn't do that before you could send it and alert and it would [TS]

01:20:08 ◼   ► show like you know the box and the text and a user could then say you know ok [TS]

01:20:12 ◼   ► enter the app and then it would launch at all that was user controlled and you [TS]

01:20:16 ◼   ► couldn't be doing it behind users back and you had to have the user interacting [TS]

01:20:19 ◼   ► with it to actually get lunch again [TS]

01:20:21 ◼   ► background with new stand out of this new thing called content available [TS]

01:20:25 ◼   ► pushes where for a while was only newsstand apps could do this they could [TS]

01:20:29 ◼   ► be woken up remotely by their servers you could you as the owner can wake up [TS]

01:20:34 ◼   ► all the adversity rap by sending this special push notification that was [TS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► silent [TS]

01:20:39 ◼   ► it did not show anything to the user and the way they initially teamster first it [TS]

01:20:44 ◼   ► was just a newsstand and then I think it was I S seven that made content [TS]

01:20:49 ◼   ► available push notifications available to all apps you could be waiting if [TS]

01:20:53 ◼   ► you're up all the time and so initially apple with throttle these things and [TS]

01:20:56 ◼   ► they would be like you know it would only allow allowed to wake up the Apple [TS]

01:20:59 ◼   ► once a day or only when it was plugged in or something and over time those [TS]

01:21:03 ◼   ► restrictions have gotten lucent and in eight you wake up you're a pretty [TS]

01:21:07 ◼   ► frequently if you really wanted to with content available who's pretty reliable [TS]

01:21:10 ◼   ► it could you could use a wake you up but if the user quit you out of the most [TS]

01:21:15 ◼   ► testing switcher so if they you know if they force quit your appt you wouldn't [TS]

01:21:19 ◼   ► get those anymore and then I S nine they change that and iOS 9 even if background [TS]

01:21:26 ◼   ► refresh is often referred as a separate thing background refresh is is a system [TS]

01:21:31 ◼   ► of periodically waking up the app to do something and the user can control that [TS]

01:21:35 ◼   ► however there is no system control for whether to allow an app to receive [TS]

01:21:42 ◼   ► content available [TS]

01:21:44 ◼   ► silent push notifications and I think I haven't tested this with the Facebook [TS]

01:21:48 ◼   ► app because i dont have installed because I'm not insane sorry faithful [TS]

01:21:51 ◼   ► people that I don't use its gonna happen I recognized it very popular differing [TS]

01:21:58 ◼   ► viewpoints anyway so I i dont know I would like to hear some people can test [TS]

01:22:03 ◼   ► this who are experiencing the battery problems as people are saying I disabled [TS]

01:22:07 ◼   ► back and refreshments still do not have the background tried disabling all [TS]

01:22:12 ◼   ► notifications because so anyway in eight if you force quit those content [TS]

01:22:17 ◼   ► available sound pushes would not come through in nine they still come through [TS]

01:22:21 ◼   ► 79 even if you have quote force quit my ass if I send content available from my [TS]

01:22:28 ◼   ► server to your phone in uveal notifications my Apple wake up in the [TS]

01:22:32 ◼   ► background and I can start doing something I can start [TS]

01:22:34 ◼   ► background download I can start playing silent audio forever you know he does so [TS]

01:22:41 ◼   ► I'm curious if disabled notifications entirely as the fix disabling them [TS]

01:22:45 ◼   ► entirely on the entire phone or just to the Facebook just for the app but like [TS]

01:22:49 ◼   ► you know because there there's like any any chapters unification area and then [TS]

01:22:52 ◼   ► there is this big message of top allowed notifications and there's the more [TS]

01:22:56 ◼   ► granular stuff shown in the case senator bad yep icon which should they be but if [TS]

01:23:01 ◼   ► you turn that off for Facebook I wonder if it then it won't get these [TS]

01:23:05 ◼   ► notifications but anyway so that's what they're doing it seems and they they [TS]

01:23:11 ◼   ► should some kind of weird responses must have been some bugger rogue engineer you [TS]

01:23:16 ◼   ► know some BS but the reality is this is a disgusting company and and they do [TS]

01:23:20 ◼   ► lots of unethical things and this is one thing you know they they're doing it [TS]

01:23:23 ◼   ► because they can't you know that this is not the kind of thing you program [TS]

01:23:26 ◼   ► accidentally they're doing it because they can and what Apple gonna do reject [TS]

01:23:30 ◼   ► the Facebook app like there this is kind of you know they can't really do that [TS]

01:23:36 ◼   ► much for it and I think it's unfortunate but that's just the power dynamic this [TS]

01:23:41 ◼   ► is this is also from the talk show you know they the Facebook app is most [TS]

01:23:46 ◼   ► likely the most popular third-party app on iOS by a long shot I guess that's [TS]

01:23:51 ◼   ► number one you to his number two but you can't exactly tell Facebook you know you [TS]

01:23:57 ◼   ► you can't do this anymore like how much power they have now I kinda wish they [TS]

01:24:02 ◼   ► would exert that peres little bit more here but they might not really be able [TS]

01:24:06 ◼   ► to but I don't know either way to this is if you are a Facebook user you should [TS]

01:24:13 ◼   ► not be surprised by this you should be mad but you should not be surprised and [TS]

01:24:17 ◼   ► this is just what it doesn't it's and it's you know it's disgusting [TS]

01:24:20 ◼   ► yeah I don't really have anything to add about this I don't use the regular [TS]

01:24:24 ◼   ► Facebook app because it around the time [TS]

01:24:28 ◼   ► this prior year ago now but around the time the facebook Messenger became a [TS]

01:24:31 ◼   ► thing they eventually took the ability to send and receive messages out of the [TS]

01:24:38 ◼   ► the standard Facebook app but they would still send you push notification they [TS]

01:24:44 ◼   ► still had the entry point to the messages section in the app so was like [TS]

01:24:50 ◼   ► a tablet something like that but you would get there and they would say oh no [TS]

01:24:53 ◼   ► we move this to a new app you have to go get that other app this is stinky but I [TS]

01:25:01 ◼   ► refused to go get that other app because I almost never send or receive Facebook [TS]

01:25:05 ◼   ► messages eventually I got sick of this and I got sick of the Facebook app and [TS]

01:25:10 ◼   ► so I downloaded Facebook paper one of the 85 things named paper that is in our [TS]

01:25:14 ◼   ► little world and that allows you to send and receive messages and that's what I [TS]

01:25:19 ◼   ► used if I am using anything with facebook on my phone and its fine pretty [TS]

01:25:25 ◼   ► but otherwise unremarkable and that was basically it for me however Aaron does [TS]

01:25:32 ◼   ► use the normal Facebook app and the other day I noticed once again battery [TS]

01:25:37 ◼   ► usage that it looked really high but I didn't think much of it because I didn't [TS]

01:25:41 ◼   ► know if perhaps he had been using Facebook all day or something and then [TS]

01:25:45 ◼   ► it was just a day or two later that all this kerfuffle started about battery [TS]

01:25:49 ◼   ► usage not really wish I'd pay closer attention to it but I have been [TS]

01:25:54 ◼   ► intending to keep closer track of the apps usage and I did turn off like [TS]

01:26:00 ◼   ► background updates and all the things you guys described and I suspected I [TS]

01:26:06 ◼   ► think that's exactly what you said Marco that it still getting used a lot first [TS]

01:26:10 ◼   ► seemingly no reason and that's just gross [TS]

01:26:13 ◼   ► just because you can doesn't mean you should kids and yet when you're a [TS]

01:26:19 ◼   ► company as big and powerful as Facebook when you likely have the most popular [TS]

01:26:24 ◼   ► third-party app on the platform you can get away with this and it's also it's [TS]

01:26:29 ◼   ► kind of too bad that that Apple allows it that they should have reacted in some [TS]

01:26:33 ◼   ► way shape or form [TS]

01:26:35 ◼   ► publicly in the sense that [TS]

01:26:38 ◼   ► maybe they should have pulled the app or not not like disabled on existing [TS]

01:26:42 ◼   ► devices but maybe you can download it from the App Store or or something and [TS]

01:26:46 ◼   ► maybe I know maybe I'm being ridiculous but I feel like it's just it's stinky [TS]

01:26:50 ◼   ► that the big powerful people get away with things that the little guys can't [TS]

01:26:53 ◼   ► yeah my question is what benefit does facebook think provide this provides [TS]

01:26:59 ◼   ► them like just ignore everything else about this facebook facebook does that [TS]

01:27:04 ◼   ► purpose [TS]

01:27:04 ◼   ► you know because they wanted why why do they want this like you when you think [TS]

01:27:08 ◼   ► you'll be bad but what is there a need to do all the time like what [TS]

01:27:12 ◼   ► gather data series about what about like where the location data from the phone [TS]

01:27:18 ◼   ► I'm just wondering like they might be who I don't think there's that much like [TS]

01:27:21 ◼   ► if you if the Facebook app just said I don't know what the interval years but [TS]

01:27:25 ◼   ► like waking me up every 15 minutes to get up their fight is it the immediacy [TS]

01:27:29 ◼   ► of being able like I'm always running so as soon as something happens on Facebook [TS]

01:27:33 ◼   ► people know right away instead of having to wait for a background refresh [TS]

01:27:36 ◼   ► interval or something like that because Facebook must also know the down side [TS]

01:27:40 ◼   ► which is that people you're gonna run people's batteries down more and I don't [TS]

01:27:46 ◼   ► know they just seem well-defined to charger somewhere cuz they're not going [TS]

01:27:48 ◼   ► to go without the Facebook updates or they'll use their phone must like you [TS]

01:27:52 ◼   ► would think if you had an Apogee be trying to get maybe information like he [TS]

01:27:56 ◼   ► did things like we don't want your engagement and interaction with the [TS]

01:27:58 ◼   ► average for your information I don't know I'm just trying to understand from [TS]

01:28:01 ◼   ► their perspective how it makes sense to try to have your appt be running all the [TS]

01:28:07 ◼   ► time so to put things in perspective just today I was at the dentist's office [TS]

01:28:10 ◼   ► and the the Dennis nurse we were talking waiting for the dentist come in and she [TS]

01:28:17 ◼   ► got on the subject but she said to me oh yeah the other day I went to that place [TS]

01:28:21 ◼   ► I believe she said she was talking about Facebook if I might get this can I might [TS]

01:28:25 ◼   ► be getting us confused with Google but I went to this place on Facebook or it can [TS]

01:28:29 ◼   ► show you like all the stuff knows about you know the places you've been and it [TS]

01:28:34 ◼   ► was super creepy cuz it new everywhere I had been and so granted this is one data [TS]

01:28:40 ◼   ► point completely anecdotally from a person who just 10 minutes before told [TS]

01:28:45 ◼   ► me she was completely inept when it comes to computers but [TS]

01:28:48 ◼   ► this conversation happened completely naturally i didnt prompted I didn't [TS]

01:28:52 ◼   ► interrogators sheep said to me oh yeah it's so creepy what they know that's so [TS]

01:28:57 ◼   ► weird so I suspect it is just data gathering and maybe there's no not the [TS]

01:29:03 ◼   ► various purposes as well like when you start the app you want it to be totally [TS]

01:29:06 ◼   ► refreshed blah blah blah but I think mostly it's for data gathering I mean [TS]

01:29:11 ◼   ► it's probably all these things you know it is probably you know if if they do [TS]

01:29:14 ◼   ► any kind of like continuous location or period application monitoring I'm sure [TS]

01:29:18 ◼   ► it's for that I'm sure it's you know if they're doing any kind of analytics of [TS]

01:29:22 ◼   ► you know what kind of phone you have hey whatever it is you know there are things [TS]

01:29:26 ◼   ► you can measure I'm guessing it's probably a little bit about location and [TS]

01:29:29 ◼   ► it is almost certainly would Johnson it's almost certainly about engagement [TS]

01:29:34 ◼   ► it is about you know they I'm sure that it that having a rapper in the [TS]

01:29:39 ◼   ► background being able to get data immediately from your server being able [TS]

01:29:42 ◼   ► to to start downloading things I think it's just to start cashing things to [TS]

01:29:47 ◼   ► start preloading things that things that you're going to be looking at I'm sure [TS]

01:29:50 ◼   ► it for all those reasons and I'm sure the the overall reason is data gathering [TS]

01:29:56 ◼   ► is pretty part of any other thing is just engagement because if they can if [TS]

01:30:00 ◼   ► they can increase the amount if they're basically always running or running as [TS]

01:30:03 ◼   ► much as they possibly can then they can get you they can get you notifications [TS]

01:30:08 ◼   ► fashion they can get you data fashion they can get you new stuff downloading [TS]

01:30:11 ◼   ► faster and it's all about reducing fractions of each of the not only can [TS]

01:30:15 ◼   ► they bother you as often as possible to come back to the app but also that when [TS]

01:30:20 ◼   ► you are there there's no delay in loading anything you know cause because [TS]

01:30:23 ◼   ► they've measured that both people like that and also it increases our numbers [TS]

01:30:27 ◼   ► it makes us X 10 per year of more engagement and more growth hacking [TS]

01:30:31 ◼   ► whatever it that's why you know there's plenty of reasons why they want to do [TS]

01:30:36 ◼   ► this [TS]

01:30:36 ◼   ► those are the two big ones makes me wonder if like there was a setting in [TS]

01:30:39 ◼   ► the app that said should we try to run [TS]

01:30:41 ◼   ► in the background even when every setting the telling us as MySpace users [TS]

01:30:46 ◼   ► choose which behavior they want to be an interesting choice because you know if [TS]

01:30:49 ◼   ► they didn't do this when you launch the Facebook app less stuff would be loaded [TS]

01:30:53 ◼   ► presumably I'm assuming that they're taking advantage of that which user [TS]

01:30:57 ◼   ► experience but people before with a preferred that when you want to Facebook [TS]

01:31:00 ◼   ► out it's like up today to most of the stuff is loaded with your preferred the [TS]

01:31:03 ◼   ► decision is your friend post something you know about immediately like would [TS]

01:31:06 ◼   ► people trade the battery head for that most people think about Facebook app to [TS]

01:31:12 ◼   ► use my battery too much of their tech enough to know that office with you [TS]

01:31:15 ◼   ► about it I wish it didn't do you really wish it didn't if we took away all of [TS]

01:31:19 ◼   ► the things that it's doing during the battery time because then you'd be like [TS]

01:31:22 ◼   ► the Facebook episode slower time alone just got a bunch of stuff like I'm [TS]

01:31:26 ◼   ► wondering what tradeoff people that make because like I said you know the app [TS]

01:31:30 ◼   ► maker of your second everyone's battery down do you think you're gonna lose [TS]

01:31:33 ◼   ► engagement because they're going to say well it's lunchtime and normally I would [TS]

01:31:37 ◼   ► keep looking at Facebook but my batteries is too low so I'm not going to [TS]

01:31:41 ◼   ► know that is find a charger I guess or the use of battery power something like [TS]

01:31:45 ◼   ► I wonder if it's no wonder if they've determined that this is the trade off [TS]

01:31:49 ◼   ► the people would choose anyway so let's just aggressively in the background and [TS]

01:31:53 ◼   ► you know and the other part of it like speculating is just the game of chicken [TS]

01:31:56 ◼   ► with Apple is like you both said when you pull the Facebook app good luck with [TS]

01:32:00 ◼   ► that that will hurt your iPhone sales numbers more than pretty much any other [TS]

01:32:03 ◼   ► Apple point you could possibly do I was getting an iPhone but it doesn't have [TS]

01:32:07 ◼   ► facebook so forget it right so that isn't a negotiation between these two [TS]

01:32:12 ◼   ► powerhouses to say Apple to say please don't run your thing in the background [TS]

01:32:15 ◼   ► so much Facebook to say I dare you to pull I don't know how that's working out [TS]

01:32:19 ◼   ► maybe they just don't even know me good Apple has been like you said Marco [TS]

01:32:22 ◼   ► changing the rules for the various push notifications and updates and all those [TS]

01:32:27 ◼   ► stuff and they show you know the consequences of those with respect to [TS]

01:32:30 ◼   ► the Facebook app so [TS]

01:32:32 ◼   ► I'm sure I'm sure that Apple has been in touch with facebook over this by now you [TS]

01:32:38 ◼   ► know because it's very possible apple just didn't know about it I find it a [TS]

01:32:41 ◼   ► little hard to believe it's a so widespread but it's very possible that [TS]

01:32:45 ◼   ► like this is brought to their attention or at least you know the right peoples [TS]

01:32:49 ◼   ► as engine with an Apple at the same time that we all learn about it so I'm sure [TS]

01:32:52 ◼   ► that somebody in Apple contacted somebody faze put to talk about this and [TS]

01:32:57 ◼   ► you know we'll see how it shakes out but I'm so I'm also I'm not surprised to see [TS]

01:33:01 ◼   ► this because Facebook's entire iOS app it's this they have this culture similar [TS]

01:33:07 ◼   ► to Google has to this culture of extreme engineering arrogance to the point where [TS]

01:33:12 ◼   ► they don't feel like they need to respect the platform they're running on [TS]

01:33:17 ◼   ► they feel like they know better and they're above it and so they the [TS]

01:33:21 ◼   ► attitude of Facebook that permitted this to happen I guarantee this was not a bug [TS]

01:33:25 ◼   ► I guarantee this was somebody saying the screw Apple's limitations this is how we [TS]

01:33:29 ◼   ► get around them and and we deserve it because we know what's best for us and [TS]

01:33:33 ◼   ► for our users period and apples on involved in the discussion like its [TS]

01:33:36 ◼   ► culture of arrogance that that is very very common on Facebook and Google and [TS]

01:33:42 ◼   ► YouTube for sure and you see a lot in the way like their app is this massive [TS]

01:33:47 ◼   ► bloated mess of a million different custom written things to customers [TS]

01:33:52 ◼   ► implement things from the system whenever I mean this massive massive app [TS]

01:33:56 ◼   ► and they're like writing their own Xcode cuz they bring Xcode the way they use it [TS]

01:34:00 ◼   ► all the all this crazy stuff they do out of this arrogance if they think they're [TS]

01:34:05 ◼   ► above the rules that fits right into all that it's not a surprise at all and and [TS]

01:34:09 ◼   ► also I would argue that that this is actually kind of like a whole security [TS]

01:34:15 ◼   ► opens its a battery whole pineapple side which is why it why do none of these [TS]

01:34:21 ◼   ► switches that used to work or they seem like they should work like why if you [TS]

01:34:25 ◼   ► turn off background refresh on a nap should content available notifications [TS]

01:34:29 ◼   ► to come through cause like I know in the ultraviolet eight when if you force quit [TS]

01:34:34 ◼   ► an app they wouldn't come through anymore that caused definitely some [TS]

01:34:38 ◼   ► supporting out with overcast happy because that's how I do my updates and [TS]

01:34:42 ◼   ► then notification show on screen is a little indication [TS]

01:34:44 ◼   ► so it would cause problems in that people wouldn't expect that to work that [TS]

01:34:49 ◼   ► way they wouldn't expect it to force quit the app that it wouldn't get new [TS]

01:34:52 ◼   ► data anymore ever you know so it made sense to change that behavior from eight [TS]

01:34:57 ◼   ► to nine but I definitely think that there should either be a separate switch [TS]

01:35:01 ◼   ► which is probably less good or they should just roll it into the background [TS]

01:35:05 ◼   ► refresh rate reaches if somebody has disabled back on refresh for a nap it [TS]

01:35:08 ◼   ► should not also still get content available notifications do you feel like [TS]

01:35:13 ◼   ► where you've commented on Google and Facebook engineering arrogance given our [TS]

01:35:19 ◼   ► conversation earlier do you feel like apples are against lies in industrial [TS]

01:35:24 ◼   ► design now I think it's more than just that but the perhaps their largest bit [TS]

01:35:28 ◼   ► of arrogance Apple has no shortage of their own arrogance believe me that's [TS]

01:35:32 ◼   ► one of the reasons why do people who love all these companies love them [TS]

01:35:35 ◼   ► because each of them has their own breed of arrogance in different areas and they [TS]

01:35:39 ◼   ► all think they know best for the whole stack top to bottom and that's that's [TS]

01:35:44 ◼   ► what makes you know Apple ship what it ships as its windows software it's a lot [TS]

01:35:51 ◼   ► of Windows people and really terrible impression of Apple iTunes and QuickTime [TS]

01:35:56 ◼   ► for Windows back in the day like that you know so this applies to all them but [TS]

01:36:03 ◼   ► generally the results of of one company being a little too pushy and in some [TS]

01:36:09 ◼   ► area usually hurts the customers on the other platforms and this is one of those [TS]

01:36:14 ◼   ► instances where like Facebook clearly thinks they're above the law with with [TS]

01:36:19 ◼   ► App Store rules and iOS system restrictions and as a result they really [TS]

01:36:24 ◼   ► are hurting their users and there you know it's it's not good so but I don't [TS]

01:36:28 ◼   ► think they care their benefit themselves not all Facebook ever does and you know [TS]

01:36:32 ◼   ► that's that's Facebook that's all anybody any company ever does I mean I [TS]

01:36:35 ◼   ► don't think that's explicit Facebook or Google I mean I think Apple in many ways [TS]

01:36:39 ◼   ► does the same thing they they generally do but I think speaking of you know [TS]

01:36:43 ◼   ► striking a balance I think Apple strikes a way better balance in that regard with [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► the No [TS]

01:36:49 ◼   ► quality and respect for you there's than than Facebook or Google and I think I [TS]

01:36:55 ◼   ► think Facebook is worse than Google I mean I put Google right [TS]

01:36:58 ◼   ► middle their facebook is horrible Google is Apple's most the time anyway thanks [TS]

01:37:05 ◼   ► for the responses this week [TS]

01:37:06 ◼   ► Squarespace automatic and fracture me we'll see you next week now that show [TS]

01:37:13 ◼   ► they didn't even mean to begin was accidental [TS]

01:37:23 ◼   ► Casey [TS]

01:37:28 ◼   ► because it was dead and it all and Markel [TS]

01:38:11 ◼   ► prospects for two seconds after some seconds really asking about 40 60 gave a [TS]

01:38:20 ◼   ► speech that said hey bro six is coming it's going to be ready and people ask me [TS]

01:38:27 ◼   ► what I thought about it i think im discussed this before speculating what I [TS]

01:38:31 ◼   ► would think 16 is announced that it has been said the same thing that I said [TS]

01:38:36 ◼   ► before I like prospects I think it's a really interesting language but my [TS]

01:38:41 ◼   ► interest in it is proportional to the quality of the implementation so I don't [TS]

01:38:49 ◼   ► just want to be able to write for all six in something that executes its I [TS]

01:38:53 ◼   ► need to be reasonably fast and stable and better than some other language I'm [TS]

01:38:58 ◼   ► using it implementing real-world applications because as much as I enjoy [TS]

01:39:01 ◼   ► the language and what it looks like I'm not gonna build anything with it for [TS]

01:39:05 ◼   ► reals for reals [TS]

01:39:07 ◼   ► like all all the benefits of the language is supposed to have like a look [TS]

01:39:12 ◼   ► at all these contracts that are you know that are right for actual concurrency [TS]

01:39:17 ◼   ► and look at the ability to pin down types that could let us use more [TS]

01:39:22 ◼   ► efficient types internally to have higher performance well unless actually [TS]

01:39:26 ◼   ► have the higher performance unless it actually does the concurrency that is [TS]

01:39:30 ◼   ► inherent in the semantics of the language much less interested in it so [TS]

01:39:34 ◼   ► I'm glad that they're deciding to put a pin in 6.0 8.0 and have it come out [TS]

01:39:40 ◼   ► fifteen years later or whatever but I'm mostly interested in it when I can use [TS]

01:39:44 ◼   ► it to build actual real things because it's not like I'm being super demanding [TS]

01:39:49 ◼   ► about and I'm still I really love the language I think other languages I [TS]

01:39:52 ◼   ► should study it and take the ideas for a murder whatever but I'm never going to [TS]

01:39:56 ◼   ► learn what is good for me it's not good for Angelica implement something in it [TS]

01:40:00 ◼   ► and never going to learn something in it if the performance and reliability is [TS]

01:40:05 ◼   ► worse than every other possible language I could use not saying the frontier I [TS]

01:40:08 ◼   ► believe gonna be terrible I know it's improved and others multiple backends is [TS]

01:40:11 ◼   ► the JVM 1 might be faster because he pay you back in all the the JVM work has [TS]

01:40:15 ◼   ► been done over the [TS]

01:40:16 ◼   ► past decades or whatever it's just that I need to see that I just say hey you [TS]

01:40:20 ◼   ► know like Marco they had built this thing and go and it was super fast and [TS]

01:40:25 ◼   ► really reliable and by the way I had to learn going to need to see someone else [TS]

01:40:30 ◼   ► that had this thing and pearl six and it was super fast and really reliable and [TS]

01:40:34 ◼   ► if I had built in Perl 5 would've been worse than if I built in my building go [TS]

01:40:38 ◼   ► it would have been worse in this way or whatever like that's what I'm looking [TS]

01:40:42 ◼   ► for that's just me personally your mileage may vary so I encourage everyone [TS]

01:40:45 ◼   ► to take up projects that are especially the people who have no idea what it is [TS]

01:40:49 ◼   ► because people who don't have any idea what is I think they just think it's [TS]

01:40:51 ◼   ► like PHP with different like dollar signs and stopping at nothing to be like [TS]

01:40:55 ◼   ► 406 is strange in ways if swift didn't exist it would be more than expected [TS]

01:41:01 ◼   ► given everybody gonna pants like what the hell is going on with this language [TS]

01:41:04 ◼   ► like what are they trying to do there it's like see what's trucks but like got [TS]

01:41:08 ◼   ► this weird stuff like its object oriented but also it's got a functional [TS]

01:41:11 ◼   ► stuff mixed in like what the hell like Swift is like pro 6 like a tiny fragment [TS]

01:41:16 ◼   ► of pearl 66 exploded in a little tiny star came out of it and some other [TS]

01:41:21 ◼   ► things but prosecutors got all the crazy and all the crazy in the best sense like [TS]

01:41:25 ◼   ► crazy like a fox so I encourage everyone who is interested in anything having to [TS]

01:41:29 ◼   ► do with languages check out the project's website wade through the [TS]

01:41:33 ◼   ► documentation into your eyes roll back in your head I'm using these people I [TS]

01:41:37 ◼   ► must be on something they probably are lots of good ideas which still so I have [TS]

01:41:42 ◼   ► two questions first of all an infinite time scale do you think you will use 406 [TS]

01:41:49 ◼   ► if [TS]

01:41:51 ◼   ► things like is there something magical about them putting on a 6.0 I know [TS]

01:41:56 ◼   ► that's going to make the implementation much better much faster I don't know [TS]

01:41:59 ◼   ► about that but I assume people will keep working on it because it is interesting [TS]

01:42:03 ◼   ► as families the smoker people have enough motivation to keep plugging away [TS]

01:42:07 ◼   ► I'm not entirely come from news that they will ever get to the point where [TS]

01:42:11 ◼   ► end up using it to make a real project is it conceivable that for my entire [TS]

01:42:14 ◼   ► life could be like a weird research project that is interesting to the [TS]

01:42:19 ◼   ► people who talk around with it but it never becomes sort of thing large [TS]

01:42:23 ◼   ► applications so I don't know there are not going to say it definitely will [TS]

01:42:27 ◼   ► because it could have been a time that I could just peter out and like people [TS]

01:42:30 ◼   ► stopped working on it becomes a historical curiosity from which people [TS]

01:42:34 ◼   ► take ideas going forward will be fine like it's a lot of you know five for [TS]

01:42:38 ◼   ► that matter most of its benefit i think is not then the part where played a [TS]

01:42:42 ◼   ► prime role in making the allegations are in the web 1.0 error but the fact that [TS]

01:42:46 ◼   ► so many other people used her looked into those ideas toward in their own [TS]

01:42:50 ◼   ► languages including swift question number two which do you think is likely [TS]

01:42:56 ◼   ► to happen first you adopt pro 64 you replace your Mac Pro replacing the Mac [TS]

01:43:04 ◼   ► Pro a 406 or anything [TS]

01:43:07 ◼   ► definitely [TS]