Connected

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00:00:08 ◼   ► >> From Real FM, this is Connected, Episode 468.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by our sponsors,

00:00:13 ◼   ► Indeed, Electric, and Factor.

00:00:15 ◼   ► I'm Federico Vittucci and I'm joined today, as always,

00:00:18 ◼   ► well, by two hosts who are together in person.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Steven and Mike are together. Are you holding hands?

00:00:26 ◼   ► >> We can high-five. I wanted to hold hands,

00:00:29 ◼   ► but he wouldn't have it.

00:00:29 ◼   ► >> Okay. Hi.

00:00:31 ◼   ► >> So you just, and I think it's fine to buck tradition the way

00:00:34 ◼   ► that you just did because we are in the person,

00:00:36 ◼   ► so I figure you could introduce us both at the same time.

00:00:38 ◼   ► >> You are together, so that's the exception to the rule.

00:00:41 ◼   ► I get to introduce you both at the same time.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Because otherwise, it will be awkward what I would just

00:00:45 ◼   ► introduce Steven and you would just sit silently next to him?

00:00:50 ◼   ► >> Yeah.

00:00:50 ◼   ► >> No.

00:00:51 ◼   ► >> Yeah. I do as I'm told.

00:00:53 ◼   ► There's a lot of old computers here, as you can imagine.

00:00:55 ◼   ► >> Well, are they more than the last time you were there?

00:00:58 ◼   ► >> I think so. It looks like more.

00:01:01 ◼   ► >> Steven, are there more old computers?

00:01:03 ◼   ► >> I don't have to answer that.

00:01:04 ◼   ► >> Come on.

00:01:05 ◼   ► >> There's a lot. There's so many stacks now.

00:01:08 ◼   ► >> There's a few more. You haven't even seen the attic.

00:01:10 ◼   ► >> I don't want to.

00:01:11 ◼   ► >> The attic situation is bad.

00:01:12 ◼   ► >> Why? Do you still have them in the house?

00:01:15 ◼   ► Why do you still have them in there?

00:01:16 ◼   ► >> They're in the attic. They're not in the house house.

00:01:17 ◼   ► >> No, but you have all of this.

00:01:19 ◼   ► >> I know.

00:01:20 ◼   ► >> I cannot believe.

00:01:22 ◼   ► >> I need more shelves.

00:01:22 ◼   ► >> I cannot believe that you built this and

00:01:25 ◼   ► your loving wife still allows for there to be Max in the house.

00:01:29 ◼   ► I cannot believe that that has happened.

00:01:31 ◼   ► >> Well, she just doesn't go in that part of the attic.

00:01:33 ◼   ► >> But I'm just still surprised.

00:01:35 ◼   ► It felt like that's what this was supposed to be.

00:01:37 ◼   ► >> Well, I want to put some more shelves in somewhere

00:01:39 ◼   ► and then I can get everything out of there.

00:01:40 ◼   ► >> There's no space for shelves.

00:01:41 ◼   ► You should have put an attic in this studio.

00:01:44 ◼   ► >> It's pretty tall in here.

00:01:45 ◼   ► >> Yeah, you could do that.

00:01:46 ◼   ► You could do that.

00:01:47 ◼   ► >> Federico, we're going to talk about your review this week.

00:01:52 ◼   ► But first, let's maybe touch base, check in,

00:01:56 ◼   ► circle around on what we ordered and how that process went.

00:02:00 ◼   ► I saw a lot of people in Macedon had trouble with the Apple Store app.

00:02:04 ◼   ► I did too. In fact, I ordered our phones on the Internet,

00:02:07 ◼   ► like in a web browser because the app would not come up for me.

00:02:10 ◼   ► How did it go for you?

00:02:11 ◼   ► >> It was perfect. Within four minutes,

00:02:15 ◼   ► I got it done before everything crashed.

00:02:17 ◼   ► I think I just hit the CDN lottery this time around.

00:02:21 ◼   ► >> Yeah, you did.

00:02:23 ◼   ► >> I obviously had the usual setup with

00:02:25 ◼   ► multiple devices opened on different networks.

00:02:28 ◼   ► We talked about this strategy years ago.

00:02:30 ◼   ► Still holds true, obviously, still worked.

00:02:32 ◼   ► This time, I got lucky on the iPad with the app instead of Safari.

00:02:38 ◼   ► Within four minutes and then it went down and it wouldn't

00:02:41 ◼   ► recover for another 20, 25 minutes.

00:02:44 ◼   ► I felt pretty lucky there.

00:02:46 ◼   ► >> Yeah. I was just wanting to peek at things because

00:02:51 ◼   ► Steven had ordered my phone and his phone together.

00:02:55 ◼   ► I opened the app at half past the hour in the UK and it wasn't loading.

00:03:01 ◼   ► >> Jeez.

00:03:02 ◼   ► >> I just don't understand.

00:03:05 ◼   ► I know it's an incredibly hard job,

00:03:08 ◼   ► but it is one that they do at least once a year.

00:03:11 ◼   ► It's still a surprise to me that it's

00:03:14 ◼   ► so rickety still.

00:03:18 ◼   ► >> There's a lot of web objects in there.

00:03:20 ◼   ► I don't know if that's true anymore or not.

00:03:22 ◼   ► >> It seems like we all chose the best phone.

00:03:24 ◼   ► >> Obviously.

00:03:25 ◼   ► >> The natural titanium Pro Max is like out to

00:03:29 ◼   ► November in most places to try and get one of those.

00:03:32 ◼   ► It's very backordered, which is trendsetters.

00:03:35 ◼   ► >> That's right.

00:03:36 ◼   ► >> I actually have a question about phones that came in from Austin who said,

00:03:39 ◼   ► "You all mentioned that you're getting the 512 gigabyte 15 Pro Max.

00:03:43 ◼   ► What do you need all that space for?"

00:03:45 ◼   ► >> Well, I ended up with the terabyte.

00:03:47 ◼   ► >> Federico, do you want to hear about this?

00:03:50 ◼   ► How I got like-

00:03:51 ◼   ► >> How do you end up with one terabyte?

00:03:54 ◼   ► >> Here's the thing. These phones,

00:03:56 ◼   ► because I'm here, it's complicated for us to get phone.

00:04:01 ◼   ► I don't want to order a phone in the UK because I won't be able to get it.

00:04:04 ◼   ► We order it in Memphis.

00:04:06 ◼   ► It's difficult for me to do that order,

00:04:08 ◼   ► so Steven orders them for us.

00:04:10 ◼   ► When we do it this way, we have Relay FM pay for the phones.

00:04:14 ◼   ► We all agreed we're going to get 512 gigabyte 15 Pro Max.

00:04:18 ◼   ► Then Steven pops up with his one terabyte,

00:04:21 ◼   ► which means I paid for half of that.

00:04:24 ◼   ► >> So I owe you $100.

00:04:25 ◼   ► >> Sure. Yeah, you owe me $100.

00:04:28 ◼   ► I paid for half of this portrayal where he decided to go and get terabyte.

00:04:32 ◼   ► What do you think about that Federico? It's pretty bad, right?

00:04:35 ◼   ► >> I think it's very bad.

00:04:36 ◼   ► >> Do you want to hear my usage?

00:04:37 ◼   ► >> Yes.

00:04:39 ◼   ► >> Sure.

00:04:40 ◼   ► >> Photos, 584 gigabytes.

00:04:44 ◼   ► I keep my whole photo library on the phone.

00:04:46 ◼   ► >> Well, you could never have had a 512 gigabyte phone then.

00:04:48 ◼   ► Why was that even a consideration for you?

00:04:50 ◼   ► >> Well, I was thinking about do I want to live without that, but I don't.

00:04:53 ◼   ► 47 gigabytes in messages,

00:04:55 ◼   ► 30 gigabytes in music,

00:04:57 ◼   ► 13 gigs in day one,

00:05:00 ◼   ► five gigabytes in notes.

00:05:01 ◼   ► >> Wow, 13 gigabytes in day one.

00:05:03 ◼   ► >> Then it goes from there.

00:05:04 ◼   ► >> There's a lot of dreams that you have written down, man.

00:05:09 ◼   ► >> Yes, a lot of dreams going in there.

00:05:11 ◼   ► >> That's right. We'll be picking our phones up the morning of the podcast-a-thon.

00:05:17 ◼   ► I have to get up early and go out to the Apple Store and then race downtown,

00:05:20 ◼   ► like all the way across the county.

00:05:21 ◼   ► It's going to be spectacular.

00:05:23 ◼   ► >> I have 340 gigabytes of 512 gigabytes used.

00:05:27 ◼   ► I looked at this, I think this will be the last year that I will do 512,

00:05:31 ◼   ► because I reckon I'll start bumping up to it.

00:05:34 ◼   ► I'm 168 gigabytes into photos.

00:05:36 ◼   ► I'm the same, I have all my photos on my device because I just like that.

00:05:40 ◼   ► 20 gigabytes in messages,

00:05:42 ◼   ► 14 gigabytes in music,

00:05:44 ◼   ► six gigabytes in overcast,

00:05:46 ◼   ► and then it just goes on from there.

00:05:47 ◼   ► What do you have, Federico?

00:05:48 ◼   ► >> Let me see. I think last time I checked,

00:05:52 ◼   ► I was at around 300.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Did you check the iPhone storage or the iCloud storage?

00:06:00 ◼   ► >> iPhone storage.

00:06:02 ◼   ► >> iPhone storage because I don't keep my photo library downloaded.

00:06:09 ◼   ► I have a one terabyte model on the 14 Pro Max and I'm only using 171 gigs.

00:06:17 ◼   ► >> Yeah, you might have overshot that one a little bit.

00:06:19 ◼   ► >> I might have. I'm not sure why I'm not keeping my photo library offline,

00:06:24 ◼   ► because I think I could,

00:06:26 ◼   ► in fact, if I go to iCloud, let's see.

00:06:30 ◼   ► I'm only using what for photos? Let's see.

00:06:34 ◼   ► Wow, this page is so bad.

00:06:37 ◼   ► My family is using 500 gigs of the two terabyte plan.

00:06:41 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm only using 200 gigabytes for iCloud photos, myself.

00:06:45 ◼   ► Forty-two gigabytes of iMessage, wow,

00:06:48 ◼   ► and seven gigabytes in iCloud Drive.

00:06:52 ◼   ► So as a family group,

00:06:54 ◼   ► we're using about half of the two terabyte plan right now.

00:06:58 ◼   ► I'm a little bit concerned that my iCloud photos is 151 gigabytes.

00:07:04 ◼   ► That doesn't make any sense because that seems like less,

00:07:07 ◼   ► and that's for the family.

00:07:09 ◼   ► I don't know what's going on there.

00:07:10 ◼   ► That's very concerning.

00:07:12 ◼   ► I'll try not to think about that anymore.

00:07:15 ◼   ► >> Mike, you're in Memphis.

00:07:17 ◼   ► It is September. September is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.

00:07:21 ◼   ► You want to go to stjoe.org/relay to learn more and donate.

00:07:26 ◼   ► But we have been raising money for St. Jude since 2019.

00:07:31 ◼   ► Since then, we have raised over two and a half million dollars as a community,

00:07:36 ◼   ► which means we've hit our first goal for 2023,

00:07:38 ◼   ► but we're not stopping there because St. Jude won't stop their life-saving work.

00:07:43 ◼   ► But we're not stopping there because St. Jude won't stop

00:07:46 ◼   ► their life-saving work until no child dies from cancer.

00:07:49 ◼   ► With your support, dear listener,

00:07:50 ◼   ► we'll be one step closer to that day,

00:07:52 ◼   ► one cure closer, one child closer.

00:07:56 ◼   ► It's estimated that more than 400,000 children worldwide develop

00:08:00 ◼   ► cancer each year and nearly half of them are never diagnosed.

00:08:05 ◼   ► Now in the US, more than four out of five children survive cancer,

00:08:09 ◼   ► including my son, he's one of the four out of five.

00:08:12 ◼   ► But in many developing countries around the world,

00:08:15 ◼   ► that number is reversed with fewer than one out of

00:08:18 ◼   ► five children diagnosed with cancer surviving.

00:08:21 ◼   ► In fact, the most significant predictor of whether a child will survive cancer or not,

00:08:25 ◼   ► is where that child lives.

00:08:27 ◼   ► That's unacceptable and it's why in March of 2018,

00:08:31 ◼   ► St. Jude became the first and only World Health Organization collaborating center,

00:08:36 ◼   ► collaborating, collaborating, clapping center,

00:08:41 ◼   ► colab, #colab, Center for Childhood Cancer.

00:08:46 ◼   ► The goal of this initiative is to raise the survival rate of

00:08:49 ◼   ► six common childhood cancers to 60 percent by 2030.

00:08:54 ◼   ► That's not that far away and so they've been hard at work.

00:08:58 ◼   ► In 2021, St. Jude and the World Health Organization launched

00:09:01 ◼   ► the global platform for access to childhood cancer medicines.

00:09:05 ◼   ► This aims to provide free chemotherapy medicines in the next few

00:09:10 ◼   ► years to as many as 120,000 children around the world with cancer.

00:09:16 ◼   ► Just think about that. That's a huge number of kids.

00:09:19 ◼   ► That is now in the pilot phase.

00:09:21 ◼   ► That initiative is up and running.

00:09:24 ◼   ► In April of this year,

00:09:25 ◼   ► they met with representatives in the program's first few countries to

00:09:28 ◼   ► figure out the details of how the process will work

00:09:31 ◼   ► to get medicines from ports of entry to hospitals.

00:09:34 ◼   ► There's a lot of logistics that go into this.

00:09:36 ◼   ► It's one thing to say, "Hey, we're going to treat a bunch of children."

00:09:39 ◼   ► But you got to figure out how to do it.

00:09:41 ◼   ► The people at St. Jude and the people of these partner organizations,

00:09:44 ◼   ► they're the best at the world at it.

00:09:45 ◼   ► Go to stjude.org/relay to support this important work.

00:09:51 ◼   ► Mike, you want to tell people about what we're going to be doing on Friday?

00:09:53 ◼   ► Yes. This Friday, which is September 22nd,

00:09:56 ◼   ► from 12 to 12 US Eastern Time,

00:09:59 ◼   ► 12 PM to 12 AM US Eastern Time.

00:10:02 ◼   ► We are doing a 12-hour live stream for the kids of St. Jude

00:10:06 ◼   ► from the campus of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.

00:10:09 ◼   ► That's starting at 9 Pacific, 11 Central, 12 Eastern.

00:10:17 ◼   ► That will be 5 PM British Summer Time,

00:10:21 ◼   ► 4 PM GMT, 6 PM.

00:10:24 ◼   ► Is it Central European Time, Federico, that you are in?

00:10:27 ◼   ► Yes. Is it Summer Time though?

00:10:32 ◼   ► I think it's...

00:10:33 ◼   ► We're just going to say Rome Time.

00:10:34 ◼   ► 6 PM Rome Time.

00:10:36 ◼   ► If you're not in Rome, you have to work it out.

00:10:38 ◼   ► There's going to be a 12-hour stream.

00:10:41 ◼   ► It's going to be full of shenanigans.

00:10:43 ◼   ► The whole event is focused around Mike versus Steven.

00:10:46 ◼   ► We've got a bunch of games and activities

00:10:48 ◼   ► that we're going to be playing throughout the day.

00:10:50 ◼   ► We've got some fun in-studio guests.

00:10:52 ◼   ► We have Jason Snell and Kathy Campbell coming in to help us out,

00:10:56 ◼   ► be adjudicators, referees and participants

00:10:58 ◼   ► of the various things that we're doing.

00:11:00 ◼   ► We started doing day one of our three-day run-through

00:11:05 ◼   ► and set-up yesterday.

00:11:06 ◼   ► The set is looking incredible.

00:11:08 ◼   ► It's going to be a fantastic time.

00:11:09 ◼   ► You do not want to miss this.

00:11:11 ◼   ► It's going to be on twitch.tv/relayfm

00:11:14 ◼   ► on Friday, September 22nd.

00:11:17 ◼   ► Please come and hang out with us.

00:11:19 ◼   ► So let's talk about iPhone cases.

00:11:21 ◼   ► Here on the table, I have a selection of three cases, Mike,

00:11:24 ◼   ► for you to try.

00:11:25 ◼   ► I have the leather case off my iPhone 14 Pro Max.

00:11:29 ◼   ► So it's got some use on it.

00:11:31 ◼   ► Oh, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:11:33 ◼   ► Make it...

00:11:34 ◼   ► Shuffle them up and make it a blind test.

00:11:37 ◼   ► Let him touch them.

00:11:38 ◼   ► Okay.

00:11:39 ◼   ► Oh, that's good.

00:11:40 ◼   ► All right, close your eyes.

00:11:41 ◼   ► Okay.

00:11:42 ◼   ► Well, I can't see what you're doing anyway, but...

00:11:43 ◼   ► Okay, so...

00:11:45 ◼   ► Now I'll close my eyes, so give me one.

00:11:47 ◼   ► Okay, so I'm going to give you a case.

00:11:49 ◼   ► Okay.

00:11:50 ◼   ► Okay, so you've got, what is it, peak design?

00:11:56 ◼   ► But this is the peak design one

00:11:57 ◼   ► because it's got rubber on the sides

00:11:58 ◼   ► and a big hole in the middle.

00:12:00 ◼   ► Okay, so here is another case.

00:12:03 ◼   ► He's feeling it.

00:12:05 ◼   ► He's touching it. Oh, interesting.

00:12:06 ◼   ► Okay, I think... Interesting, okay.

00:12:08 ◼   ► He looks hungry.

00:12:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:10 ◼   ► Weird.

00:12:11 ◼   ► At first touch, I thought this might have been the leather.

00:12:15 ◼   ► Oh.

00:12:16 ◼   ► But, 'cause I ran my finger across it in one direction

00:12:21 ◼   ► and it was kind of smooth, but then when going back,

00:12:23 ◼   ► I think this is fire woven.

00:12:25 ◼   ► Okay, here's the last one.

00:12:26 ◼   ► This is actual leather.

00:12:29 ◼   ► Yep, you got 100%.

00:12:31 ◼   ► That leather case is messed up, so...

00:12:32 ◼   ► Yeah, it's got some age on it.

00:12:34 ◼   ► I will say, Federica, have you tried

00:12:36 ◼   ► one of the fine woven cases yet?

00:12:37 ◼   ► No, I don't have mine yet.

00:12:39 ◼   ► I don't like this.

00:12:41 ◼   ► Okay.

00:12:43 ◼   ► So this case to me feels like a high-end paper.

00:12:48 ◼   ► Oh, paper?

00:12:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I've experienced some papers with the texture,

00:12:57 ◼   ► which is similar to this.

00:12:59 ◼   ► And so I'm, I don't know,

00:13:01 ◼   ► I don't think that this was the right move.

00:13:06 ◼   ► I genuinely just think that they should have

00:13:08 ◼   ► either doubled down with all silicon,

00:13:11 ◼   ► or they should have created something more akin

00:13:15 ◼   ► to the Peak Design where it's like,

00:13:18 ◼   ► we're just gonna go all in on this being a fabric.

00:13:20 ◼   ► And I think that they've landed something in the middle

00:13:22 ◼   ► where they've tried to create this fabric case

00:13:26 ◼   ► that has a leather-like feel, where like,

00:13:30 ◼   ► Stephen, feel this, the edges and the back

00:13:32 ◼   ► feel like completely different materials.

00:13:33 ◼   ► Yeah, the edges feel like the leather-

00:13:36 ◼   ► They're like a rubbery kind of.

00:13:37 ◼   ► Yeah, like rubbery.

00:13:39 ◼   ► And then there's a seam in between the back and the side.

00:13:43 ◼   ► It feels way cheaper than what I paid for it.

00:13:45 ◼   ► Yeah, I think they whiffed big time on this.

00:13:46 ◼   ► I don't think that this is a good,

00:13:49 ◼   ► I do not think that this is a good replacement

00:13:53 ◼   ► for people who had the leather case.

00:13:55 ◼   ► I don't either.

00:13:56 ◼   ► So I figured that they should have just gone

00:13:57 ◼   ► in a completely different direction

00:13:59 ◼   ► rather than trying to create something like this.

00:14:02 ◼   ► Now, what is interesting about the fine woven case

00:14:05 ◼   ► is they cover the action button,

00:14:07 ◼   ► like one of the volume buttons.

00:14:08 ◼   ► So you get, it's not metal, it's plastic,

00:14:12 ◼   ► but you get a hard button there.

00:14:13 ◼   ► And the peak design just has a big hole in the side of it

00:14:16 ◼   ► where the action button's gonna be.

00:14:17 ◼   ► So I'm a little worried about that.

00:14:19 ◼   ► But I really like the peak design case.

00:14:21 ◼   ► That'll be my daily, I think.

00:14:22 ◼   ► This is interesting.

00:14:23 ◼   ► So the, it's not really that interesting,

00:14:25 ◼   ► but it's just a thing I noticed.

00:14:26 ◼   ► We're talking about iPhone cases.

00:14:27 ◼   ► The little plastic buttons do move on the case.

00:14:32 ◼   ► Like they have like a little movement.

00:14:33 ◼   ► It's not just like a pressure.

00:14:35 ◼   ► 'Cause like a lot of cases,

00:14:36 ◼   ► it's like you're just pressing a piece of silicone

00:14:38 ◼   ► or whatever and it's actuating the button

00:14:40 ◼   ► just because there's pressure on the button.

00:14:41 ◼   ► - Including the old Apple leather case.

00:14:42 ◼   ► Look, those buttons don't move.

00:14:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, they don't.

00:14:46 ◼   ► That's weird.

00:14:47 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

00:14:47 ◼   ► I'd be intrigued to see what people at large think of this,

00:14:51 ◼   ► but I don't like the look of it.

00:14:53 ◼   ► And now I'm like, I definitely don't want that

00:14:56 ◼   ► on a watch band, but I wanna try that out too.

00:14:59 ◼   ► I wanna see what that feels like, but I'm not,

00:15:02 ◼   ► you can count Mike Hurley in the not a fan

00:15:04 ◼   ► of the fine woven material.

00:15:06 ◼   ► - Wow, you must hate the environment.

00:15:08 ◼   ► - Well, I would say that there-

00:15:10 ◼   ► - I was sort of expecting you were gonna go with,

00:15:12 ◼   ► you know what?

00:15:13 ◼   ► Yes.

00:15:14 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:15:16 ◼   ► - Yeah, hold on.

00:15:16 ◼   ► No, I'm fine with the environment.

00:15:19 ◼   ► I hate cows.

00:15:20 ◼   ► That's my whole thing.

00:15:21 ◼   ► You know?

00:15:23 ◼   ► That's my whole thing.

00:15:23 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:15:25 ◼   ► Yeah, it feels like a swing and a miss.

00:15:27 ◼   ► And I wonder if they're going to tweak it.

00:15:30 ◼   ► Like I feel like I would be happier with it

00:15:33 ◼   ► if it had some sort of, like the texture's what bothers me.

00:15:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, are you saying they need to refine more than-

00:15:37 ◼   ► - I was gonna say that, oh my God.

00:15:40 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:15:41 ◼   ► I was just waiting for my moment and you stole it from me.

00:15:44 ◼   ► - So this is the benefit of being in person.

00:15:47 ◼   ► I could see that he was about to take a little pause

00:15:49 ◼   ► and so I could just jump in.

00:15:51 ◼   ► - That's good.

00:15:52 ◼   ► Yeah, I'm very curious what people think about this.

00:15:55 ◼   ► So as you get these in your hands, send us some feedback.

00:15:58 ◼   ► We'd love to hear about it.

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00:18:01 ◼   ► - So today as we're recording,

00:18:04 ◼   ► iPhone reviews started to drop.

00:18:06 ◼   ► I've got a few in the show notes,

00:18:08 ◼   ► mostly videos because that's who I am.

00:18:11 ◼   ► And I went through and watched a few of them.

00:18:13 ◼   ► What I'll say is nothing here seems surprising.

00:18:15 ◼   ► I think that the, you know, like of all of this stuff,

00:18:18 ◼   ► MKBHD kind of didn't really do a review.

00:18:21 ◼   ► Like, and I think that that's gonna be the case

00:18:22 ◼   ► for a lot of creators maybe.

00:18:24 ◼   ► Like it isn't a super long time,

00:18:26 ◼   ► like they've only had like a handful of days,

00:18:28 ◼   ► but there's a bunch of like early impressions and reviews

00:18:31 ◼   ► and you know, he'll do one later on,

00:18:32 ◼   ► which I'm sure we'll dive more into the camera stuff.

00:18:35 ◼   ► And I kind of summarized a little bit

00:18:38 ◼   ► of some of the points that they were making.

00:18:40 ◼   ► So in MKBHD's review,

00:18:42 ◼   ► he was talking about the fact that this is PVD coated,

00:18:45 ◼   ► right, the Pro phones.

00:18:47 ◼   ► And I'm gonna focus mostly on the Pro phones here

00:18:49 ◼   ► because it is what I'm most interested in.

00:18:51 ◼   ► And he was saying that, you know,

00:18:53 ◼   ► PVD coating as opposed to an anodization can chip.

00:18:57 ◼   ► Like if you were to drop one of these phones,

00:18:59 ◼   ► especially the ones in the darker colors,

00:19:01 ◼   ► you may chip it and see through to the,

00:19:05 ◼   ► underneath the coating, which could be intriguing.

00:19:08 ◼   ► - What came to mind for me is that Apple

00:19:09 ◼   ► has done PVD coating.

00:19:11 ◼   ► Now, granted on steel,

00:19:13 ◼   ► I think also the dark titanium watch

00:19:15 ◼   ► like Jason Snell has is PVD coated.

00:19:17 ◼   ► And that hasn't seemed to be a big problem on the watches.

00:19:20 ◼   ► So I'm not as concerned about that as he seemed to be.

00:19:25 ◼   ► I don't think he was concerned.

00:19:26 ◼   ► He sort of raised the question,

00:19:28 ◼   ► but I don't think it's gonna be that big of a deal.

00:19:30 ◼   ► - And even if it is, remember that cool black iPhone?

00:19:33 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:19:34 ◼   ► - It used to get all chips and stuff.

00:19:35 ◼   ► That looked good.

00:19:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, the iPhone 5.

00:19:38 ◼   ► They only did it one year and then we got space gray.

00:19:40 ◼   ► But I mean, exactly your point, right?

00:19:42 ◼   ► Aluminum does this too.

00:19:44 ◼   ► And so I don't know if they're introducing

00:19:46 ◼   ► like a new sort of failure point.

00:19:49 ◼   ► Now we'll see, like in a year,

00:19:50 ◼   ► if all these phones look like the Millennium Falcon,

00:19:51 ◼   ► then we know.

00:19:53 ◼   ► What I found more interesting about the finishes,

00:19:56 ◼   ► both in MKBHD's video and others,

00:19:58 ◼   ► basically everyone gravitates towards the natural finish.

00:20:01 ◼   ► Everyone's a natural person.

00:20:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, naturalists.

00:20:04 ◼   ► We're all naturalists now.

00:20:05 ◼   ► The natural is the best.

00:20:08 ◼   ► It's the most striking.

00:20:09 ◼   ► It's the most interesting of the colors.

00:20:12 ◼   ► And it actually, you know,

00:20:14 ◼   ► if you're intrigued about the fact

00:20:15 ◼   ► that your phone has a new material,

00:20:17 ◼   ► this is the one that shows that most, really.

00:20:21 ◼   ► Like the black one, they just painted it black.

00:20:23 ◼   ► You know, and the blue one, they just painted it blue.

00:20:25 ◼   ► At least with the natural titanium and maybe the white,

00:20:27 ◼   ► they try and give it at least some kind of effect, you know?

00:20:31 ◼   ► Well, yeah, it's like, I feel like the,

00:20:33 ◼   ► I would honestly have said the same

00:20:35 ◼   ► for both the gold and the white stainless steel ones,

00:20:40 ◼   ► where they were shinier, you know,

00:20:42 ◼   ► they were more reflective.

00:20:43 ◼   ► There's a lot of people plugging the phone

00:20:47 ◼   ► into other things and seeing what happens.

00:20:49 ◼   ► So these phones now do act as kind of battery banks.

00:20:54 ◼   ► So you can, if I had a phone,

00:20:57 ◼   ► so Federico, me and you both have the new iPhone

00:21:00 ◼   ► and I have 90% battery and you have 60% battery.

00:21:03 ◼   ► If we plug a USB-C cable between our two phones,

00:21:05 ◼   ► my phone will charge your phone.

00:21:07 ◼   ► I hope you're excited about that.

00:21:08 ◼   ► Obviously this will also work for like accessories, right?

00:21:11 ◼   ► So we knew this already.

00:21:13 ◼   ► You can plug the AirPods in,

00:21:14 ◼   ► but it will also work for other devices as well.

00:21:18 ◼   ► So that's a thing that can happen.

00:21:19 ◼   ► - Oh, that's nice.

00:21:20 ◼   ► - And MKBHD like others as well,

00:21:22 ◼   ► is very happy with the flexibility of the action button,

00:21:25 ◼   ► but he raises a thing that Alison Johnson

00:21:28 ◼   ► also raises at the verge, which is like,

00:21:30 ◼   ► it would be kind of nice to have a double press action

00:21:33 ◼   ► to do something else.

00:21:35 ◼   ► Which this feels like one of those things

00:21:37 ◼   ► that happens every time they add a new feature like this.

00:21:39 ◼   ► Like, well, one is good, but what if we could do more?

00:21:42 ◼   ► And like, I remember people saying this

00:21:43 ◼   ► about the Apple Watch Ultra as well, right?

00:21:45 ◼   ► That like, well, I can do one thing,

00:21:47 ◼   ► but what if I double tapped it?

00:21:48 ◼   ► And Apple never did anything like that, right?

00:21:50 ◼   ► - But given that it's an iPhone,

00:21:52 ◼   ► they might at this point because they have, I assume,

00:21:55 ◼   ► you know, much more feature requests and feedback

00:21:58 ◼   ► than from an Apple Watch Ultra.

00:22:00 ◼   ► Which I, and I totally agree.

00:22:01 ◼   ► I think it would be lovely to have

00:22:04 ◼   ► twice the customization features, you know?

00:22:08 ◼   ► - 'Cause you know, you have to tap and hold.

00:22:09 ◼   ► Maybe you could like tap once and then tap and hold, right?

00:22:12 ◼   ► And that would act as a double.

00:22:13 ◼   ► - But you press and hold.

00:22:14 ◼   ► - That's what I mean.

00:22:15 ◼   ► So like you, so you like, instead of,

00:22:18 ◼   ► 'cause you press and hold, right?

00:22:19 ◼   ► To make it do a thing.

00:22:20 ◼   ► Maybe if you press and then press again.

00:22:22 ◼   ► - Maybe. - So it's like,

00:22:23 ◼   ► press and hold.

00:22:24 ◼   ► - And you still have back tap, like that hasn't gone away.

00:22:27 ◼   ► - If you ever, does anyone ever, does he use that?

00:22:29 ◼   ► - No, 'cause it-- - It didn't work for me.

00:22:31 ◼   ► - It never worked when I wanted to trigger it,

00:22:33 ◼   ► but then I'd walk around with my flashlight on

00:22:35 ◼   ► in my pocket all the time.

00:22:36 ◼   ► So I gave up on it. - Is that a flashlight

00:22:38 ◼   ► in your pocket?

00:22:39 ◼   ► Federico, do you ever use the back tap?

00:22:41 ◼   ► - No, I tried to set it up, but I never remembered to use it.

00:22:46 ◼   ► I just, it's one of those things where, you know,

00:22:49 ◼   ► if I don't see it, I don't remember it exists.

00:22:52 ◼   ► - It's not widely used.

00:22:53 ◼   ► - No, I'm trying to think of like a way to describe it.

00:22:56 ◼   ► It like, it is not a very, not like graceful

00:22:59 ◼   ► is not the word I'm looking for,

00:23:00 ◼   ► but like it's just not a very delightful interaction.

00:23:05 ◼   ► Like tapping the back of the phone to do a thing.

00:23:08 ◼   ► - You've always been against tapping things.

00:23:10 ◼   ► Like you always dislike tapping AirPods too.

00:23:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, I hated that 'cause I didn't want to tap

00:23:15 ◼   ► the side of my head.

00:23:16 ◼   ► Like I'm just not into that.

00:23:17 ◼   ► - You are a tapping.

00:23:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, I am anti-tapping unless it's nose related.

00:23:22 ◼   ► I'll nose tap. - Yeah.

00:23:23 ◼   ► - But like if it's any, I will not tap anything

00:23:25 ◼   ► with my fingers.

00:23:26 ◼   ► I just won't do it.

00:23:27 ◼   ► It's not delightful.

00:23:29 ◼   ► Alison Johnston at The Verge says that it's very,

00:23:33 ◼   ► it feels very good to hold the Pro phones.

00:23:36 ◼   ► I can't get my head around this.

00:23:38 ◼   ► Like I'm very excited for Friday because lots of people,

00:23:42 ◼   ► including Steven has said, like it just feels nice

00:23:44 ◼   ► to hold and like I'm looking at the images in the videos

00:23:48 ◼   ► and I can't see what's different.

00:23:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's very subtle.

00:23:52 ◼   ► I think in Alison's, I think it was in Alison's video,

00:23:55 ◼   ► there was a shot of a 14 Pro and a 15 Pro on a table,

00:24:00 ◼   ► like looking flat.

00:24:01 ◼   ► - Yeah, I couldn't see a difference.

00:24:02 ◼   ► - It is very subtle, but where all the joins are on the 14th,

00:24:08 ◼   ► like the screen of the sides is all 90 degrees.

00:24:10 ◼   ► There's just a little bit of a radius there

00:24:12 ◼   ► and it makes the phone look a little bit thinner

00:24:14 ◼   ► and it's definitely more comfortable to hold.

00:24:16 ◼   ► I think the comfort, 'cause I also,

00:24:19 ◼   ► I also in the hands-on played with the iPhone 15 and 15 Plus

00:24:23 ◼   ► and those feel better too,

00:24:25 ◼   ► but the Pros feel even more better

00:24:28 ◼   ► and I think that's the radius plus the weight reduction.

00:24:32 ◼   ► - Okay, and that is another thing, right?

00:24:34 ◼   ► The weight reduction, I'm intrigued.

00:24:35 ◼   ► Like I just don't really know what to expect there.

00:24:39 ◼   ► Johnson says that the five times lens looks good

00:24:43 ◼   ► and allows for you to be able to take photos

00:24:46 ◼   ► of things that you wouldn't otherwise.

00:24:48 ◼   ► That's kind of what I was hoping to hear.

00:24:50 ◼   ► Like it was the only sense of this

00:24:52 ◼   ► that really landed with me,

00:24:54 ◼   ► was this idea that there are,

00:24:56 ◼   ► where I feel like I don't need a 5X lens specifically

00:24:59 ◼   ► is because there are photos I'm just deciding not to take

00:25:03 ◼   ► because I can't get what I want

00:25:05 ◼   ► and that maybe this will provide that.

00:25:08 ◼   ► Matt Pansarino, who I feel like I missed this,

00:25:14 ◼   ► is leaving TechCrunch. - Oh yeah.

00:25:15 ◼   ► - Did you know this?

00:25:16 ◼   ► - He announced it, I think last week

00:25:18 ◼   ► and today's episode of "Decoder."

00:25:20 ◼   ► - That's where it alerted me.

00:25:22 ◼   ► I must've missed this somehow.

00:25:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, TechCrunch absorbed some other organization

00:25:26 ◼   ► and their leaders taking over for Matt,

00:25:29 ◼   ► but he had a 10 year run there,

00:25:32 ◼   ► and he's done such a great job.

00:25:33 ◼   ► We're big fans.

00:25:34 ◼   ► I really hope that he goes indie and writes some stuff.

00:25:38 ◼   ► And then I also really hope

00:25:39 ◼   ► that he starts a cooking YouTube channel.

00:25:41 ◼   ► - And Matt, if you want to do a tech podcast, get in touch.

00:25:45 ◼   ► - No more shows.

00:25:46 ◼   ► - I would break the rule for Matthew Pansarino.

00:25:49 ◼   ► - We'll see.

00:25:50 ◼   ► Pansarino says that the Pro Max is the phone to get.

00:25:52 ◼   ► Like just that's the one.

00:25:55 ◼   ► And he actually said for him,

00:25:57 ◼   ► it's more than any time in history

00:26:01 ◼   ► like of them having the bigger phones,

00:26:04 ◼   ► that this one makes the most sense.

00:26:05 ◼   ► He says the five times zoom lens is a triumph.

00:26:10 ◼   ► He was big on this lens.

00:26:13 ◼   ► And like one of the things that,

00:26:14 ◼   ► so he did a video review,

00:26:15 ◼   ► which I watched and really enjoyed.

00:26:17 ◼   ► One of the things that he's really talking about a lot

00:26:19 ◼   ► is that the five times lens

00:26:22 ◼   ► and the new portrait features, right?

00:26:24 ◼   ► Where you can apply the portrait effects after the fact,

00:26:27 ◼   ► emblematic of something that he feels Apple's doing

00:26:30 ◼   ► with the new camera stuff,

00:26:32 ◼   ► which is you just take a picture and deal with it later,

00:26:36 ◼   ► which is a way easier thing

00:26:39 ◼   ► like having to necessarily choose the mode

00:26:41 ◼   ► that the iPhone is more and more helping you

00:26:45 ◼   ► to take the best photo

00:26:46 ◼   ► and then letting you do something later on

00:26:49 ◼   ► to make it even better.

00:26:50 ◼   ► I thought that was a really interesting insight.

00:26:52 ◼   ► - And you even have that with the 24 megapixel output

00:26:56 ◼   ► where you're getting sort of the best of the 12

00:27:00 ◼   ► and the 48 megapixel data capture and it's merged in.

00:27:03 ◼   ► And you can turn that on on the 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.

00:27:07 ◼   ► I have not tried it.

00:27:08 ◼   ► - The 24 megapixel?

00:27:10 ◼   ► Are you sure?

00:27:11 ◼   ► - Yes, I'm pretty sure.

00:27:12 ◼   ► - No, 'cause I know what you can turn on is the heath.

00:27:17 ◼   ► - Maybe that's what it is.

00:27:18 ◼   ► - That's what it is.

00:27:18 ◼   ► The 24 megapixel.

00:27:20 ◼   ► - The fake news.

00:27:21 ◼   ► So we're checking.

00:27:22 ◼   ► - 'Cause I've turned it on.

00:27:23 ◼   ► The heath raw file.

00:27:25 ◼   ► - That's what I'm thinking of.

00:27:26 ◼   ► Yes, my apologies.

00:27:27 ◼   ► - And I have turned that on.

00:27:29 ◼   ► So like now I have, it's called Heath Max.

00:27:31 ◼   ► And I've turned that on, but you can't turn on 24.

00:27:35 ◼   ► - Call me Heath, Mr. Max is my father.

00:27:36 ◼   ► - So yeah, watching these reviews, I continue to be excited.

00:27:42 ◼   ► I'm very intrigued about the new camera stuff

00:27:45 ◼   ► and the way this phone is gonna feel.

00:27:48 ◼   ► And I guess I'll look forward in the future

00:27:49 ◼   ► to full on console gaming.

00:27:51 ◼   ► - It's made me think a lot about the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus,

00:27:55 ◼   ► 'cause that was the first time we got the dual camera system

00:27:59 ◼   ► and what that let us do

00:28:03 ◼   ► in like the very early days of portrait photos.

00:28:06 ◼   ► And those early ones are pretty bad in hindsight,

00:28:09 ◼   ► but it unlocked a new type of photography on an iPhone.

00:28:14 ◼   ► And it feels like this year

00:28:17 ◼   ► is another one of those type of years.

00:28:19 ◼   ► Not only because the big phone has cool tricks,

00:28:21 ◼   ► the other one doesn't,

00:28:23 ◼   ► but we are moving into this era

00:28:25 ◼   ► like we've on the road to computational photography,

00:28:28 ◼   ► this feels like a big step.

00:28:30 ◼   ► And I'm really excited to get my hands on it on Friday.

00:28:34 ◼   ► I think more excited than I've been

00:28:35 ◼   ► in the last couple of years.

00:28:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, me too.

00:28:37 ◼   ► - My excitement is mostly around

00:28:39 ◼   ► getting my Apple Watch on Saturday.

00:28:41 ◼   ► Like I'm more excited for the Apple Watch Ultra

00:28:42 ◼   ► than I am the iPhone.

00:28:44 ◼   ► - What metal is that Apple Watch Ultra made out of?

00:28:47 ◼   ► (yelling)

00:28:49 ◼   ► - I'm very much over my series 7.

00:28:52 ◼   ► I really just want it gone.

00:28:55 ◼   ► I'm done with it.

00:28:56 ◼   ► - I've seen you wear it this week.

00:28:58 ◼   ► So Mary has a series 8, but it's the small one.

00:29:02 ◼   ► So I'm used to that,

00:29:03 ◼   ► but I haven't seen like a regular,

00:29:05 ◼   ► like the bigger size of the regular watch in a while.

00:29:09 ◼   ► Like, you know, I was like, oh man, that looks small.

00:29:12 ◼   ► - He's what's shaming me, Federico,

00:29:13 ◼   ► can you believe this?

00:29:14 ◼   ► - Have you tried on the Ultra?

00:29:16 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:29:17 ◼   ► - You tried on Sparks.

00:29:18 ◼   ► - Yes, it's the only one.

00:29:18 ◼   ► I was able to get away with it.

00:29:20 ◼   ► I never tried one on.

00:29:21 ◼   ► And then when I saw David in November,

00:29:24 ◼   ► he just put it in my hand and said, put it on.

00:29:26 ◼   ► - He's a real enabler.

00:29:27 ◼   ► - And I wore it for like half an hour

00:29:28 ◼   ► and decided then I was gonna buy it.

00:29:31 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:29:31 ◼   ► - But waited and oh boy, can I, you know,

00:29:34 ◼   ► I've gotta be so, it's gonna be so good

00:29:36 ◼   ► when I can do stuff.

00:29:39 ◼   ► - You'll be the only one of the three of us

00:29:40 ◼   ► who can try the second generation ultra wide band thing.

00:29:44 ◼   ► - And I can also do the double tap.

00:29:46 ◼   ► - The pinchy?

00:29:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's in October.

00:29:48 ◼   ► I feel like I missed that.

00:29:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's coming later.

00:29:50 ◼   ► - I heard that on a podcast a couple of days ago.

00:29:52 ◼   ► - There's so much stuff that's not shipping.

00:29:55 ◼   ► - There's an article on Mac stories outlining all that.

00:29:57 ◼   ► - I know, I spoke about it on upgrade.

00:29:59 ◼   ► - Imagine that.

00:30:00 ◼   ► - I referenced this article and put it in the show notes

00:30:03 ◼   ► of upgrade and used it to talk about things

00:30:05 ◼   ► that are coming later.

00:30:07 ◼   ► Anytime.

00:30:07 ◼   ► Thank you actually, 'cause you did the work

00:30:09 ◼   ► so I didn't have to.

00:30:10 ◼   ► - No, I did the work.

00:30:13 ◼   ► Actually, I ran through the whole list of features

00:30:17 ◼   ► and organized them by platform and send the list to John

00:30:20 ◼   ► and John put it together as a story.

00:30:21 ◼   ► So it was a joint effort.

00:30:22 ◼   ► - So what you're saying is, John is stealing the byline.

00:30:25 ◼   ► - No, I'm not.

00:30:26 ◼   ► I'm saying that Steven was like, John did all the work,

00:30:31 ◼   ► but actually I also did the work.

00:30:34 ◼   ► - I'm gonna log in and change that one to be published

00:30:36 ◼   ► by my Mac story staff.

00:30:38 ◼   ► - But I just think it's really strange though

00:30:43 ◼   ► that John didn't credit you Federico.

00:30:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, what's the little hat tip thing

00:30:47 ◼   ► were you supposed to do on Twitter back in the day?

00:30:49 ◼   ► - Hat tip, H slash T.

00:30:51 ◼   ► I realized yesterday that I ended up somehow on Techmeme

00:30:56 ◼   ► for the review and I thought, wow,

00:30:58 ◼   ► that's a thing I haven't thought about in a while.

00:31:02 ◼   ► Tip at Techmeme, tip Techmeme.

00:31:06 ◼   ► - Tip Techmeme.

00:31:07 ◼   ► I'm just really surprised that you're just not mentioning

00:31:09 ◼   ► it all in this log for Federico.

00:31:11 ◼   ► I just don't know.

00:31:12 ◼   ► Did you upset OTJ?

00:31:13 ◼   ► Is he mad at you?

00:31:14 ◼   ► - No, no, no, no.

00:31:15 ◼   ► I mean, I only put together the list.

00:31:17 ◼   ► He brought it up as a story.

00:31:20 ◼   ► I'm just saying that Steven presents me as a slacker

00:31:23 ◼   ► and I'm not.

00:31:24 ◼   ► - He does, he does.

00:31:26 ◼   ► - I mean, he took that, but I will just say

00:31:28 ◼   ► the masthead of Mac stories is by Federico Vatici in Friends.

00:31:33 ◼   ► - That's a very old logo that needs to be changed.

00:31:36 ◼   ► - John's just a friend.

00:31:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:31:38 ◼   ► - They're just friends.

00:31:40 ◼   ► They're just friends.

00:31:41 ◼   ► Federico put John in the friend zone.

00:31:44 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:31:45 ◼   ► - That's what I have a, John is in the,

00:31:47 ◼   ► I thought that maybe Federico John was mad at you

00:31:50 ◼   ► because you took him hostage for the review.

00:31:52 ◼   ► Like there are many screenshots of like FaceTime and stuff

00:31:56 ◼   ► where I'm like looking at it and I'm like,

00:31:58 ◼   ► Federico just said, "John, I need to FaceTime you."

00:32:00 ◼   ► And then they just had a FaceTime call

00:32:02 ◼   ► and you made him stick a thumbs up at you

00:32:03 ◼   ► and stuff like that.

00:32:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, well, we did that last month.

00:32:07 ◼   ► So it wasn't like this sort of thing

00:32:11 ◼   ► that he had to do for a whole week just before the review.

00:32:14 ◼   ► So we did it in stages and that FaceTime call

00:32:17 ◼   ► was only 10 minutes, like three weeks ago.

00:32:20 ◼   ► It wasn't too bad, but John read the whole thing

00:32:25 ◼   ► in like two days or something with edits.

00:32:28 ◼   ► So it did a lot of work for the review.

00:32:30 ◼   ► - He's a trooper.

00:32:31 ◼   ► He's one true trooper, is that guy.

00:32:34 ◼   ► Let me tell you, he's putting in the work over there.

00:32:36 ◼   ► Isn't that John Paul?

00:32:37 ◼   ► Is John working on a MacOS review?

00:32:39 ◼   ► He is, right?

00:32:40 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:32:41 ◼   ► - I bet he wasn't happy like Jason.

00:32:43 ◼   ► One of my favorite moments,

00:32:45 ◼   ► I don't know if either of you heard it.

00:32:46 ◼   ► - I saw the video.

00:32:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, where the video is actually really good.

00:32:49 ◼   ► I'll find the video and put it in the show notes

00:32:51 ◼   ► where I got to break to Jason when MacOS was coming out.

00:32:55 ◼   ► He didn't know.

00:32:56 ◼   ► And you can see the moment where his soul loses body.

00:32:59 ◼   ► The video is much better than the actual podcast moment

00:33:03 ◼   ► of it, it's very, very funny.

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00:35:04 ◼   ► I would like to welcome to the show the man of the hour,

00:35:07 ◼   ► Federico Vittucci.

00:35:08 ◼   ► It is me.

00:35:09 ◼   ► Welcome Federico.

00:35:10 ◼   ► A little round of applause Federico.

00:35:12 ◼   ► You did it.

00:35:13 ◼   ► - Thank you.

00:35:14 ◼   ► - iOS and iPadOS 17 review has been published.

00:35:17 ◼   ► How are you feeling?

00:35:18 ◼   ► It's like 24 hours out.

00:35:19 ◼   ► How are you feeling?

00:35:20 ◼   ► - Oh, very good.

00:35:21 ◼   ► Very good.

00:35:22 ◼   ► Very tired, very tired, but very good.

00:35:24 ◼   ► And I am mostly just very happy that my plan worked.

00:35:29 ◼   ► That I was able to put this one together

00:35:32 ◼   ► in different stages, right?

00:35:36 ◼   ► A lot of work done upfront in June and July.

00:35:39 ◼   ► Take a few vacations in August and then finish it all up

00:35:42 ◼   ► in less than three weeks at the end of August,

00:35:46 ◼   ► just before review season in September.

00:35:49 ◼   ► So yeah, I feel very happy, very glad that it's done

00:35:54 ◼   ► and that I don't have to worry about a massive article

00:36:00 ◼   ► for the next nine months.

00:36:03 ◼   ► - This was the first review post Twitter.

00:36:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, yes.

00:36:08 ◼   ► - For us.

00:36:09 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:36:10 ◼   ► - Did that change your experience?

00:36:11 ◼   ► - I gotta be honest, yeah.

00:36:14 ◼   ► Yesterday, for the sake of honesty, this is a safe space.

00:36:19 ◼   ► Yesterday, I missed Twitter.

00:36:21 ◼   ► I really did.

00:36:22 ◼   ► - I can imagine there was a sense maybe

00:36:24 ◼   ► of it feeling a little underwhelming, the response.

00:36:26 ◼   ► - It really did.

00:36:27 ◼   ► And for a couple of reasons, obviously,

00:36:29 ◼   ► because there's fewer people who follow me on Mastodon

00:36:33 ◼   ► than there used to be on Twitter.

00:36:35 ◼   ► And Twitter was just faster.

00:36:37 ◼   ► And, you know, busier at these times of year.

00:36:42 ◼   ► And it also doesn't help that I broke Mastodon

00:36:46 ◼   ► for a few minutes.

00:36:47 ◼   ► Our Mastodon process restarted a couple of times.

00:36:51 ◼   ► And the nature of Mastodon itself

00:36:54 ◼   ► is that your federated posts,

00:36:56 ◼   ► they don't immediately go out to other servers.

00:36:58 ◼   ► They may take a few minutes.

00:37:00 ◼   ► And so as a result of those bugs and the nature of Mastodon,

00:37:04 ◼   ► some people missed my announcement

00:37:06 ◼   ► and some other people had to wait several minutes

00:37:08 ◼   ► to see the announcements.

00:37:10 ◼   ► Whereas Twitter was always real time.

00:37:11 ◼   ► - I wanted to boost it.

00:37:13 ◼   ► And I was like sitting there for like 10 minutes

00:37:15 ◼   ► waiting for the post to appear.

00:37:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, so yesterday I really missed Twitter.

00:37:22 ◼   ► And, but then again, you know, it is what it is.

00:37:27 ◼   ► I don't wanna use Twitter anymore.

00:37:30 ◼   ► So besides that, I mean, obviously the response

00:37:33 ◼   ► for being sort of only announced on Mastodon also

00:37:36 ◼   ► because I cannot use threads.

00:37:38 ◼   ► I did post it on Instagram and that was fun.

00:37:40 ◼   ► It's actually doing better than I expected on Instagram

00:37:44 ◼   ► compared to what I thought it was gonna do.

00:37:47 ◼   ► But it still feels like despite the lack of Twitter,

00:37:53 ◼   ► which was always great for these events,

00:37:57 ◼   ► but I still feel very good.

00:37:59 ◼   ► And I'm still very happy that it's out there

00:38:00 ◼   ► and that people have liked the graphics and the animation

00:38:04 ◼   ► and the sort of the structure that I chose for the chapters.

00:38:08 ◼   ► It was a different review than usual,

00:38:11 ◼   ► not just because I,

00:38:13 ◼   ► not just because there wasn't Twitter for me to announce it,

00:38:18 ◼   ► but also because I took a different approach

00:38:20 ◼   ► with the, you know,

00:38:21 ◼   ► with the actual putting together the story.

00:38:24 ◼   ► I took a different approach with the table of contents.

00:38:26 ◼   ► I returned to offering a single review

00:38:29 ◼   ► for two operating systems.

00:38:31 ◼   ► So it's iOS and FOS back together once again.

00:38:34 ◼   ► All these new things I didn't do

00:38:38 ◼   ► for the first time in forever,

00:38:39 ◼   ► I didn't do a shortcuts chapter.

00:38:41 ◼   ► There's no standalone shortcuts chapter.

00:38:44 ◼   ► It's just a section in the apps chapter.

00:38:46 ◼   ► - You would have struggled to do a thing.

00:38:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, I wasn't exactly kind to that.

00:38:52 ◼   ► But yeah, so the combination of all these things

00:38:57 ◼   ► made working on the review really fun,

00:39:01 ◼   ► exhausting obviously, but still very rewarding.

00:39:05 ◼   ► And it feels so nice to have, you know,

00:39:08 ◼   ► my ninth review done.

00:39:10 ◼   ► And next year it's gonna be my 10th annual review,

00:39:14 ◼   ► which is, I don't wanna think about it.

00:39:16 ◼   ► - Don't try not to, it's too soon.

00:39:20 ◼   ► I have one chapter left to go.

00:39:22 ◼   ► It's very, very good, the vibes are good.

00:39:26 ◼   ► I was reading most of it on my iPhone

00:39:28 ◼   ► in the Miami airport, which I don't even know

00:39:31 ◼   ► if you know about this story at Federico.

00:39:33 ◼   ► I'll tell you about it later on,

00:39:34 ◼   ► but I spent the night in the Miami airport.

00:39:36 ◼   ► And I really enjoyed it.

00:39:39 ◼   ► The last couple of years, I mean, I said it before,

00:39:43 ◼   ► it just suits me, like the length and the tone

00:39:47 ◼   ► and the style like really suit me as a reader.

00:39:51 ◼   ► So, I mean, I would just say I really enjoy it

00:39:54 ◼   ► more than I ever have.

00:39:55 ◼   ► I just think you're doing a very, very good job.

00:39:57 ◼   ► I think it is testament to you

00:39:59 ◼   ► that you could be nine years in

00:40:00 ◼   ► and be doing a vastly better job all the time.

00:40:04 ◼   ► It's like kind of wild.

00:40:05 ◼   ► Like I don't actually know how you manage it.

00:40:07 ◼   ► So bravo to you. - Thank you.

00:40:09 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:40:09 ◼   ► And that makes me, that's very nice to hear.

00:40:12 ◼   ► It's always a struggle, you know,

00:40:15 ◼   ► for me to be, for me to strike the kind of tone

00:40:21 ◼   ► that makes the review enjoyable for me to put together,

00:40:24 ◼   ► but also for people to read,

00:40:26 ◼   ► because ultimately, you know,

00:40:27 ◼   ► what good is a review if nobody reads it?

00:40:31 ◼   ► And so striking that balance of, is it actually enjoyable?

00:40:34 ◼   ► Like, can you take this thing

00:40:38 ◼   ► and sit down with an iPad or a Kindle

00:40:40 ◼   ► and have a cup of coffee or drink, whatever,

00:40:42 ◼   ► and just enjoy reading it?

00:40:44 ◼   ► But is it also useful?

00:40:46 ◼   ► Like, is it also, because I do this for,

00:40:49 ◼   ► I do these things for me, right?

00:40:51 ◼   ► I write these things for me,

00:40:52 ◼   ► and I try to find a way to find some financial sense

00:40:57 ◼   ► for people as well.

00:40:58 ◼   ► Obviously, otherwise I wouldn't do it for the glory alone,

00:41:01 ◼   ► because I have, you know, I have a mortgage to pay.

00:41:05 ◼   ► But like, one of my priorities,

00:41:10 ◼   ► besides being an enjoyable piece of writing,

00:41:12 ◼   ► it's also, it's gotta be well-documented.

00:41:14 ◼   ► It's gotta be, like, does it have historical value?

00:41:17 ◼   ► And I don't mean to sound so like exaggerated with that,

00:41:21 ◼   ► but in this very specific corner of the world,

00:41:26 ◼   ► you know, a guy who reviews an operating system,

00:41:30 ◼   ► I want to believe that there is some historical value

00:41:34 ◼   ► to the screenshots and these details.

00:41:36 ◼   ► You know, if only, you know, years from now,

00:41:39 ◼   ► somebody like Steven will be an iOS historian, you know?

00:41:43 ◼   ► Like, that sounds weird as a thing to say,

00:41:46 ◼   ► but hey, somebody 20, 30 years from now

00:41:49 ◼   ► will start collecting iPhones and be like,

00:41:50 ◼   ► oh, look at these old computers.

00:41:53 ◼   ► And maybe they'll look back at, you know, these reviews.

00:41:57 ◼   ► And so that's also the thing I gotta prioritize.

00:42:01 ◼   ► And obviously, the final part of,

00:42:04 ◼   ► so there's the enjoyment of the story.

00:42:06 ◼   ► There's the technical part of the story,

00:42:08 ◼   ► and there's the experience of the story,

00:42:12 ◼   ► like everything around it, you know?

00:42:13 ◼   ► So the ebook and the things that I get to do every year

00:42:17 ◼   ► as fun little extras.

00:42:20 ◼   ► And every year, I try and do something different.

00:42:23 ◼   ► And I have already some ideas for my 10th review next year.

00:42:27 ◼   ► But this year, I did the ebook, and I did a making of,

00:42:31 ◼   ► instead of doing it as I always do on Mac Stories Weekly

00:42:35 ◼   ► where I'm gonna do something else, I did it on App Stories,

00:42:38 ◼   ► and then I commissioned two Obsidian plugins

00:42:41 ◼   ► that I ended up using myself, and I realized,

00:42:45 ◼   ► well, maybe these are also useful for people.

00:42:48 ◼   ► And everything came together.

00:42:50 ◼   ► It took me about 80 hours total for this project.

00:42:55 ◼   ► It's 33,000 words, less than 35K,

00:43:00 ◼   ► which I told you I was gonna hit,

00:43:02 ◼   ► and you guys were very skeptical.

00:43:04 ◼   ► - Yeah. - But it's 33K total.

00:43:07 ◼   ► - Hey, look, you did a good job last year, but we know you.

00:43:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Right?

00:43:13 ◼   ► And so like, we could, it would have been,

00:43:15 ◼   ► I think the odds would have been on over 35,

00:43:19 ◼   ► but I'm very happy that you got it under 35.

00:43:22 ◼   ► - Under 35, 80 hours, and yeah, so I did it.

00:43:27 ◼   ► - One thing new this year is the chapter on intelligence.

00:43:31 ◼   ► I think we spoke about this a couple of weeks ago.

00:43:33 ◼   ► Apple obviously has a big push there.

00:43:35 ◼   ► What made it, what elevated it for you to the point of,

00:43:40 ◼   ► hey, this needs to be its own section?

00:43:45 ◼   ► I always try and come up with a list of chapters at WWDC,

00:43:49 ◼   ► because there you always have a pretty good sense

00:43:52 ◼   ► of the kind of features that Apple wants you to focus on

00:43:55 ◼   ► for a new version of iOS and iPadOS.

00:43:57 ◼   ► And plus you're talking to people,

00:44:00 ◼   ► you're talking to developers,

00:44:01 ◼   ► you get an idea of what is actually like,

00:44:04 ◼   ► what are some of the core themes this year?

00:44:06 ◼   ► And as I was putting together my list of potential sections

00:44:10 ◼   ► at the time in the Notes app,

00:44:12 ◼   ► eventually I went back to Obsidian, of course,

00:44:15 ◼   ► I realized, well, there's all these things, right?

00:44:18 ◼   ► There's Siri and there's the AutoCorrect, which is fantastic.

00:44:22 ◼   ► There's all the new stuff in visual lookup

00:44:24 ◼   ► and sort of my guiding light for all of this

00:44:28 ◼   ► was the Vision Pro.

00:44:29 ◼   ► There's a brand new platform and device

00:44:33 ◼   ► coming out in a few months,

00:44:36 ◼   ► which are almost entirely based on intelligence, right?

00:44:40 ◼   ► Entirely based on hand recognition, on augmented reality,

00:44:44 ◼   ► that's like intelligence turning into the OS itself.

00:44:48 ◼   ► And so I figured, well,

00:44:50 ◼   ► if I want to review VisionOS in the future,

00:44:53 ◼   ► which I think is most likely my future,

00:44:56 ◼   ► start reviewing VisionOS too,

00:44:59 ◼   ► or maybe instead of iOS and iPadOS,

00:45:01 ◼   ► I don't know what my future holds.

00:45:04 ◼   ► I think I want to make it to 10 reviews at least,

00:45:08 ◼   ► but I don't know what's coming after that, we'll see.

00:45:12 ◼   ► But I know that I want to write about VisionOS

00:45:15 ◼   ► and I know that I want to review VisionOS.

00:45:17 ◼   ► And so I figured, well,

00:45:18 ◼   ► maybe a good way to start preparing for that

00:45:21 ◼   ► as an exercise for me as a writer as well

00:45:23 ◼   ► would be to have a chapter all about these features.

00:45:28 ◼   ► And also because it's the right thing to do.

00:45:30 ◼   ► From the standpoint of our,

00:45:35 ◼   ► like when you consider our jobs,

00:45:38 ◼   ► which is we talk about Apple stuff,

00:45:39 ◼   ► we talk about a tech company,

00:45:41 ◼   ► what is this tech company doing?

00:45:42 ◼   ► They are investing heavily into these things.

00:45:45 ◼   ► And so for me not to write about them

00:45:48 ◼   ► would be a disservice to people.

00:45:51 ◼   ► So it felt like a good thing to do for me personally,

00:45:55 ◼   ► but also the right thing to do

00:45:57 ◼   ► given the topics that we cover.

00:45:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

00:46:01 ◼   ► And I have been thinking about VisionOS

00:46:05 ◼   ► as a operating system more and more,

00:46:08 ◼   ► because right now, obviously it's not out.

00:46:11 ◼   ► And right now it's sort of hard to separate the OS

00:46:15 ◼   ► from the hardware in my mind.

00:46:16 ◼   ► Now, you two use it, I haven't,

00:46:18 ◼   ► so I'm from an outsider perspective,

00:46:20 ◼   ► but kind of in the way that that was true of the iPhone.

00:46:22 ◼   ► In the beginning, it was iPhone firmware updates.

00:46:25 ◼   ► It was like a very different thing.

00:46:27 ◼   ► But eventually, maybe on day one,

00:46:30 ◼   ► but eventually VisionOS will have its own identity

00:46:34 ◼   ► sort of separate from the hardware,

00:46:35 ◼   ► especially if there's more than one model in the future.

00:46:39 ◼   ► So I think you're right to be thinking about that now

00:46:43 ◼   ► and kind of turning that over in your mind

00:46:45 ◼   ► before you have to make a decision.

00:46:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

00:46:48 ◼   ► Like start exercising now.

00:46:51 ◼   ► Okay, so how do you write about the keyboard?

00:46:54 ◼   ► How do you write about things

00:46:57 ◼   ► that get recognized in pictures?

00:46:59 ◼   ► Before, these were always treated as features

00:47:03 ◼   ► of other apps like visual lookup,

00:47:07 ◼   ► I would write about in the context of the photos app.

00:47:10 ◼   ► And Siri would just be its own little section.

00:47:12 ◼   ► Maybe, I think at some point it was like this appendix

00:47:15 ◼   ► to the shortcuts chapter or something.

00:47:17 ◼   ► So this time I wanted to talk about them more broadly

00:47:22 ◼   ► from a single perspective.

00:47:24 ◼   ► Like these are all the intelligence features

00:47:26 ◼   ► that Apple works on.

00:47:27 ◼   ► At some point in this review,

00:47:30 ◼   ► there was a chapter that I cut

00:47:33 ◼   ► that was supposed to be an AirPods and audio chapter.

00:47:37 ◼   ► And I didn't publish it.

00:47:40 ◼   ► In fact, I didn't write anything about AirPods

00:47:44 ◼   ► because potentially contrarian opinion incoming,

00:47:49 ◼   ► I really, really dislike the new adoptive audio setting

00:47:54 ◼   ► of the new AirPods.

00:47:55 ◼   ► - Yeah, I'm not sold on it.

00:47:57 ◼   ► I've been trying it on and off

00:47:59 ◼   ► and what I don't like about it

00:48:02 ◼   ► is I feel like my head is under pressure too much.

00:48:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's got that.

00:48:06 ◼   ► It's slightly muffled like all the time.

00:48:09 ◼   ► - Yes, and so it has a weird feeling

00:48:13 ◼   ► where it's like I can still hear things

00:48:14 ◼   ► but I still can feel the noise cancellation.

00:48:18 ◼   ► So I'm trying it.

00:48:19 ◼   ► Like I'm not giving up on it yet.

00:48:21 ◼   ► Like I keep like toggling it on.

00:48:24 ◼   ► And the personal volume and conversational awareness,

00:48:29 ◼   ► I think are actually pretty decent but not perfect.

00:48:31 ◼   ► So I'm trying those out too.

00:48:32 ◼   ► But yeah, it is a, this feels like a thing

00:48:35 ◼   ► where it's very 1.0, a lot of these AirPods features

00:48:38 ◼   ► and they need to be tweaked a bit.

00:48:41 ◼   ► I said this on upgrade, Federica,

00:48:43 ◼   ► I think you would enjoy this.

00:48:44 ◼   ► So I've been using the conversational awareness, right?

00:48:46 ◼   ► Where you can talk to someone.

00:48:48 ◼   ► When I brush my teeth, it pauses my music.

00:48:51 ◼   ► - That's incredible.

00:48:52 ◼   ► - And I don't know exactly what it is.

00:48:54 ◼   ► Like, is it the sound that the electric toothbrush?

00:48:56 ◼   ► - The sound is coming from inside the head.

00:48:58 ◼   ► - Yes, but that's just such, what is it?

00:49:00 ◼   ► I took like, ah, that's how I talk to people.

00:49:03 ◼   ► You know, like, ah, ah, ah.

00:49:05 ◼   ► Maybe there's a weird tone in my voice, but yeah,

00:49:07 ◼   ► when I brush my teeth, it keeps pausing my music.

00:49:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I felt like I don't really like this feature.

00:49:13 ◼   ► I felt like I needed more time to test it.

00:49:16 ◼   ► These AirPods functionalities, they change

00:49:19 ◼   ► and they are tweaked more often

00:49:22 ◼   ► in the late cycle of the beta

00:49:24 ◼   ► compared to say Safari in iOS 17.

00:49:27 ◼   ► So I thought, this chapter is not gonna be fun to write.

00:49:30 ◼   ► It's not gonna be good enough for people.

00:49:33 ◼   ► We even had images done with Michael Stieber

00:49:38 ◼   ► for the chapter.

00:49:39 ◼   ► - Which are all so good, by the way.

00:49:41 ◼   ► I meant to mention this.

00:49:42 ◼   ► Those animations and images are just fantastic.

00:49:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, Michael is improving every year

00:49:48 ◼   ► and he does such an incredible job.

00:49:51 ◼   ► Also like listening to my very specific feedback,

00:49:55 ◼   ► which I know that I can be a lot to work with

00:50:00 ◼   ► because I'm a bit of a control freak

00:50:02 ◼   ► in every single aspect of my life, but especially--

00:50:06 ◼   ► - You're preaching to the choir right now, you know.

00:50:08 ◼   ► - But especially with this review.

00:50:10 ◼   ► This thing is my baby, you know,

00:50:11 ◼   ► and so I care about it a lot,

00:50:14 ◼   ► but thankfully Michael is very patient

00:50:16 ◼   ► and very upfront in terms of when it comes to some things

00:50:21 ◼   ► that can be done or cannot be done,

00:50:22 ◼   ► which is something I,

00:50:23 ◼   ► it's a quality I appreciate in people.

00:50:26 ◼   ► So anyway, yeah, that chapter was not gonna be good enough,

00:50:29 ◼   ► I thought, and so it was cut from the table of contents.

00:50:33 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:50:34 ◼   ► I think there was this one theme,

00:50:39 ◼   ► which is widgets everywhere.

00:50:42 ◼   ► iOS is a pretty, you know, minor release, right?

00:50:46 ◼   ► There's a bunch of features here and there.

00:50:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, I asked Adina to update her phone last night

00:50:51 ◼   ► and this morning she said,

00:50:52 ◼   ► "So what's different?"

00:50:53 ◼   ► I'm like, "Ah."

00:50:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:50:55 ◼   ► I said like, "You'll see stuff.

00:50:57 ◼   ► You'll see stuff."

00:50:58 ◼   ► That was my answer.

00:51:00 ◼   ► - Exactly, like that's the idea.

00:51:01 ◼   ► Like people will upgrade and they won't notice

00:51:04 ◼   ► and maybe they'll notice like,

00:51:05 ◼   ► "Oh, there's this new thing here.

00:51:06 ◼   ► There's a new thing there."

00:51:08 ◼   ► So the one thing for me and for the people like us

00:51:12 ◼   ► that was worth writing about was the interactive widgets.

00:51:15 ◼   ► That's where I spent most of the time,

00:51:16 ◼   ► most of the energy, testing widgets, talking to developers,

00:51:21 ◼   ► trying to have examples in the story

00:51:24 ◼   ► to paint a more complete picture.

00:51:26 ◼   ► That was the key theme that I also sort of talked about

00:51:30 ◼   ► again in the conclusion.

00:51:32 ◼   ► And iPadOS was pretty easy in the sense that

00:51:36 ◼   ► Apple didn't really do a lot of work on iPadOS this year

00:51:40 ◼   ► beyond stage manager,

00:51:41 ◼   ► which fixes things that we complained about last year.

00:51:44 ◼   ► And I hear that more is coming.

00:51:47 ◼   ► - I will say, I would like to just stop you there a second.

00:51:50 ◼   ► I understand what you're saying.

00:51:52 ◼   ► I wouldn't necessarily say they didn't do a lot of work.

00:51:56 ◼   ► Like it really does feel like they rewrote stage manager.

00:51:58 ◼   ► - Oh no, no, no.

00:51:59 ◼   ► Yeah, I meant beyond stage manager.

00:52:01 ◼   ► Like beyond stage manager, what is in iPadOS 17?

00:52:04 ◼   ► - I can't believe that-

00:52:05 ◼   ► - The camera stuff.

00:52:06 ◼   ► - I can't believe that contact posters aren't in iPadOS.

00:52:11 ◼   ► - Wait, they're not?

00:52:12 ◼   ► - No.

00:52:13 ◼   ► - Why?

00:52:14 ◼   ► Like some stuff I understand that it's just like,

00:52:17 ◼   ► why, like what?

00:52:18 ◼   ► Like, "Oh, we don't know how to make the images

00:52:20 ◼   ► "they have a feature for next year."

00:52:22 ◼   ► - But it's not even really a feature, is it?

00:52:24 ◼   ► I like it, but it's like, it's, you know,

00:52:25 ◼   ► it's not like widgets or whatever where like next year

00:52:28 ◼   ► it'll be like, "Oh wow, widgets on the iPad."

00:52:30 ◼   ► - I called somebody yesterday

00:52:32 ◼   ► and I guess they'd already updated to iOS 17.

00:52:34 ◼   ► Like, "Oh, you're the first like,

00:52:35 ◼   ► "you're the first big picture I've seen."

00:52:38 ◼   ► - I like that people can set them

00:52:41 ◼   ► and I like that you can set them for people.

00:52:43 ◼   ► Like I like that you have both of those options to you

00:52:45 ◼   ► 'cause that's like a cool thing.

00:52:48 ◼   ► - So, Federico, I wanted to ask you,

00:52:50 ◼   ► I'm sorry if I've stopped your train of thought there,

00:52:54 ◼   ► if you had another thing you wanted to say.

00:52:56 ◼   ► Okay, do you think you will do a review of 17.1?

00:52:59 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, I think so.

00:53:00 ◼   ► I did it before.

00:53:01 ◼   ► - Because it's probably gonna be pretty big, right?

00:53:03 ◼   ► - I did it before, I'm pretty sure that I did last year,

00:53:05 ◼   ► I did 16.2 when Apple brought out external displays

00:53:09 ◼   ► for stage manager, I did a story.

00:53:10 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not unusual for me to do a follow-up

00:53:13 ◼   ► with these big releases.

00:53:14 ◼   ► And it sounds like it's gonna be another big release.

00:53:16 ◼   ► There's a bunch of things that were cut

00:53:17 ◼   ► from 17 and here's what I was saying,

00:53:21 ◼   ► that I hear that more stage manager stuff

00:53:24 ◼   ► is potentially coming very soon.

00:53:25 ◼   ► Not sure if that means 17.1, but maybe,

00:53:30 ◼   ► which by the way, I was sort of expecting today

00:53:34 ◼   ► to see a 17.1 beta, maybe it's gonna be next week though.

00:53:37 ◼   ► But yeah, I don't think Apple is done

00:53:41 ◼   ► working on stage manager and to your point, yes,

00:53:43 ◼   ► I do think that they actually rewrote

00:53:46 ◼   ► at least parts of the whole thing

00:53:49 ◼   ► because it looks very similar and it tries to keep

00:53:52 ◼   ► a lot of the same guiding principles,

00:53:54 ◼   ► but in practice it feels very different

00:53:57 ◼   ► from last year's stage manager.

00:53:59 ◼   ► - Well, good work Federico.

00:54:01 ◼   ► I look forward to finishing it.

00:54:02 ◼   ► I have like one and a half chapters left

00:54:05 ◼   ► to finish the apps chapter and then the kind of,

00:54:07 ◼   ► I don't remember, then it will be everything else.

00:54:09 ◼   ► - Everything else goes down smoothly.

00:54:11 ◼   ► It's like a fresh glass of water.

00:54:14 ◼   ► It's like a palate cleanser.

00:54:15 ◼   ► And the, see for the future,

00:54:18 ◼   ► something that I wanna optimize more in my process,

00:54:22 ◼   ► this is something that I was discussing

00:54:23 ◼   ► with Sylvia this week and that I'm gonna try

00:54:25 ◼   ► and do better for next year.

00:54:28 ◼   ► These apps chapter is getting out of control.

00:54:30 ◼   ► - There's stuff in the apps chapter

00:54:32 ◼   ► that I'm surprised is in there, like messages and Safari.

00:54:36 ◼   ► - And there's apps I couldn't cover in time

00:54:41 ◼   ► because I just couldn't cover free form.

00:54:44 ◼   ► There's a bunch of changes there.

00:54:46 ◼   ► I couldn't cover translate,

00:54:47 ◼   ► which got completely redesigned in iOS 17.

00:54:50 ◼   ► We'll have to follow up on these things

00:54:52 ◼   ► throughout the course of September on Mac stories.

00:54:56 ◼   ► But this is something I wanna optimize more for next year.

00:55:00 ◼   ► I think I need more help from other writers,

00:55:03 ◼   ► from other people to talk about all the apps

00:55:05 ◼   ► that Apple makes.

00:55:06 ◼   ► And I think in the review,

00:55:08 ◼   ► I just got to cover the essentials.

00:55:11 ◼   ► I mean, for example, I love clock.

00:55:16 ◼   ► Just this is just an example.

00:55:18 ◼   ► But I think I gotta come up with a list

00:55:21 ◼   ► of what are the core apps that have ramifications

00:55:26 ◼   ► elsewhere in the system.

00:55:27 ◼   ► Obviously I gotta write about Safari and messages and photos.

00:55:31 ◼   ► But there are things that maybe I can choose

00:55:34 ◼   ► not to write about and have them be standalone pieces

00:55:37 ◼   ► outside the context of the review.

00:55:41 ◼   ► Because otherwise it's just getting out of hand

00:55:43 ◼   ► for me at these points.

00:55:44 ◼   ► Like covering 20 different apps.

00:55:46 ◼   ► It also becomes this log of a chapter and it's not fun.

00:55:51 ◼   ► And sure, maybe it's useful from an historical perspective,

00:55:54 ◼   ► but remember it's gotta be both useful and enjoyable.

00:55:58 ◼   ► And I think that chapter has gotten too long

00:56:00 ◼   ► as Apple keeps making more apps

00:56:03 ◼   ► because they sure keep making them.

00:56:04 ◼   ► And there's journal coming out soon.

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00:58:30 ◼   ► - So one of the milestones that we had

00:58:33 ◼   ► for the fundraising of the St. Jude campaign

00:58:36 ◼   ► was that we would audit Stephen's Mac.

00:58:39 ◼   ► So when Federico was away,

00:58:42 ◼   ► I presented my Mac set up to Stephen for an audit.

00:58:46 ◼   ► The idea was he would go through and make some suggestions

00:58:49 ◼   ► about how to make my Mac better.

00:58:51 ◼   ► Now Federico, I would like to take a different tact

00:58:54 ◼   ► with the audit today,

00:58:55 ◼   ► and I'm hoping that you'll be able to join me.

00:58:57 ◼   ► I would like to point out to Stephen

00:58:59 ◼   ► the things that he does that are unnecessary,

00:59:02 ◼   ► because I'm sure that there are many of them.

00:59:05 ◼   ► Things that he does with his computer

00:59:07 ◼   ► that there is no need to do,

00:59:09 ◼   ► that they are excessive in some way,

00:59:11 ◼   ► and/or hoarder-like.

00:59:13 ◼   ► And I think that it would be really good for us

00:59:15 ◼   ► to try and dig some of these out today from Stephen

00:59:19 ◼   ► and challenge him as to why he is the way that he is,

00:59:22 ◼   ► and so he can really take a long look in the mirror

00:59:24 ◼   ► and think about himself.

00:59:25 ◼   ► What do you think about that?

00:59:26 ◼   ► - I love it.

00:59:27 ◼   ► - Let's take him down a peg.

00:59:28 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:59:30 ◼   ► So I would like to start, I have three.

00:59:32 ◼   ► So we have in the show notes here the dock, the menu bar,

00:59:36 ◼   ► and a photo of Stephen's desk.

00:59:37 ◼   ► Now Federico is my partner in crime here.

00:59:39 ◼   ► What I would like you to do

00:59:41 ◼   ► is take a look at some of these images

00:59:42 ◼   ► and maybe try and formulate some questions

00:59:45 ◼   ► about why are you the way that you are.

00:59:47 ◼   ► I have three to start with.

00:59:49 ◼   ► So Stephen, I would like to know

00:59:52 ◼   ► how much storage is in your MacBook Pro, please.

00:59:55 ◼   ► - Eight terabytes.

00:59:56 ◼   ► - Do you think that might be a bit too much?

00:59:58 ◼   ► - No, 'cause I hover around four normally.

01:00:01 ◼   ► So being on a four terabyte machine would be difficult.

01:00:03 ◼   ► - Why do you have four terabytes of stuff on your computer?

01:00:06 ◼   ► - I don't have to answer that.

01:00:07 ◼   ► - You do, this is the order, this is the point of it.

01:00:09 ◼   ► Like what consists of this four terabytes?

01:00:12 ◼   ► Where is that being taken up?

01:00:13 ◼   ► - Let's see.

01:00:15 ◼   ► I mean, it's mostly, do I have daisy disk installed?

01:00:18 ◼   ► I do have daisy disk installed.

01:00:20 ◼   ► Let's see what daisy disk does.

01:00:21 ◼   ► - Let us let it do its thing.

01:00:23 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:00:24 ◼   ► - Other apps are available, like CleanMyMac,

01:00:25 ◼   ► which is what I use for this stuff.

01:00:27 ◼   ► While we're talking about storage,

01:00:29 ◼   ► I noticed in a screenshot, I think it was the menu bar one,

01:00:32 ◼   ► that not only do you have your drive on your desktop,

01:00:35 ◼   ► you have the amount of storage space used.

01:00:38 ◼   ► Why do you need that?

01:00:39 ◼   ► Why do you do that?

01:00:40 ◼   ► - 'Cause I wanna feel better about spending so much money

01:00:43 ◼   ► on this laptop.

01:00:44 ◼   ► - So you just wanna be reminded.

01:00:45 ◼   ► Isn't it bad though?

01:00:46 ◼   ► Like it reminds you that you got eight terabytes

01:00:48 ◼   ► of internal storage in your MacBook Pro?

01:00:50 ◼   ► - That's definitely a hangover from the days

01:00:52 ◼   ► where I had like a 40 gigabyte hard drive

01:00:54 ◼   ► and a power book or something.

01:00:55 ◼   ► - Can you not think about like the price per terabyte

01:00:59 ◼   ► added to every computer?

01:01:01 ◼   ► Because if you had this all in off board storage,

01:01:05 ◼   ► - Sure.

01:01:06 ◼   ► - Then you don't need, 'cause every time you buy a Mac now,

01:01:09 ◼   ► it has to have a minimum of eight terabytes of--

01:01:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I used to, when I had the Mac Pro,

01:01:16 ◼   ► there were things that were not on the boot drive.

01:01:18 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:01:19 ◼   ► - But-- - That's a good idea.

01:01:20 ◼   ► - And with the Mac Studio,

01:01:23 ◼   ► I didn't have everything on there,

01:01:24 ◼   ► 'cause it was a desktop.

01:01:25 ◼   ► It was literally screwed into the bottom of my desk.

01:01:27 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:01:28 ◼   ► - But now that I'm one laptop only,

01:01:30 ◼   ► I don't wanna meet a situation where the project I need

01:01:33 ◼   ► or something I wanna reference is not with me.

01:01:36 ◼   ► - That's a good point.

01:01:37 ◼   ► There's four terabytes of stuff.

01:01:38 ◼   ► Now I'm assuming when the scan completes,

01:01:41 ◼   ► the majority of this is your Dev and Think database.

01:01:43 ◼   ► - A lot of it is.

01:01:44 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:01:45 ◼   ► - Although it only says it's 170 gigs,

01:01:47 ◼   ► which doesn't seem right.

01:01:48 ◼   ► The biggest single directory on this computer

01:01:52 ◼   ► is my local copy of everything Relay FM has ever published.

01:01:57 ◼   ► That's almost a terabyte.

01:01:58 ◼   ► - So here is a great, this is great.

01:02:00 ◼   ► You don't need that on your,

01:02:02 ◼   ► you do not need that on your computer.

01:02:03 ◼   ► - But it's better.

01:02:04 ◼   ► - And then you're like, oh, it has to be with me

01:02:07 ◼   ► in case I don't know where you think you are working

01:02:10 ◼   ► that's not in this exact room.

01:02:12 ◼   ► - I mean, so that could be elsewhere.

01:02:14 ◼   ► - Oh, definitely.

01:02:15 ◼   ► - But that's just a terabyte.

01:02:17 ◼   ► Like that's not, I mean, that would let me live

01:02:18 ◼   ► on a four terabyte machine, I guess.

01:02:20 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:02:21 ◼   ► - And Apple.com.

01:02:23 ◼   ► - We don't have to talk about how much that option was.

01:02:25 ◼   ► - No, no, no, I like this idea of it's just a terabyte.

01:02:28 ◼   ► I just want to see like this just, like how much is this?

01:02:31 ◼   ► - It's just $500.

01:02:32 ◼   ► It's just 500.

01:02:33 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:02:34 ◼   ► - They're just, you know, we throw them around, you know?

01:02:36 ◼   ► - So after that, my pictures folder is 634 gigs.

01:02:41 ◼   ► - You have more, you have more.

01:02:43 ◼   ► - For, yeah, $400.

01:02:44 ◼   ► - Apple stuff than pictures of your three kids.

01:02:48 ◼   ► Like in terms of.

01:02:49 ◼   ► - Photos is bigger than my.

01:02:51 ◼   ► - Is it?

01:02:52 ◼   ► - Dev and Think database.

01:02:53 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:02:54 ◼   ► - But the biggest single directory is the Relay FM archives.

01:02:57 ◼   ► - But yeah, wait, I'm agreeing with Federico here.

01:02:59 ◼   ► You were confused about this Dev and Think database.

01:03:03 ◼   ► You didn't, you seemed like that wasn't right to you.

01:03:06 ◼   ► 'Cause also you have a lot of video.

01:03:07 ◼   ► - So the video has been moved off of this machine

01:03:11 ◼   ► onto my Plex server in the house.

01:03:12 ◼   ► - So you can move things off of a machine.

01:03:14 ◼   ► - Those I have.

01:03:15 ◼   ► - Why?

01:03:17 ◼   ► - 'Cause that stuff's on YouTube, all of it.

01:03:18 ◼   ► Almost all of it.

01:03:19 ◼   ► - And the stuff that you have on there

01:03:21 ◼   ► is not available anywhere else, like on your own website?

01:03:23 ◼   ► - The stuff that I have like in Dev and Think in particular

01:03:27 ◼   ► is collected from so many different sources.

01:03:30 ◼   ► And a lot of it are sources that aren't public.

01:03:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:03:34 ◼   ► - We'll just leave it at that.

01:03:35 ◼   ► That those all live in Dev and Think.

01:03:37 ◼   ► But the biggest thing is.

01:03:38 ◼   ► - That's like 100 gigabytes you said, right?

01:03:40 ◼   ► - The database folder is 170 gigs.

01:03:42 ◼   ► - What is that?

01:03:43 ◼   ► Is there other stuff that it's pulling from?

01:03:45 ◼   ► - It's all that.

01:03:46 ◼   ► - So that's 170 gigabytes,

01:03:47 ◼   ► which could live on a one terabyte computer very fine.

01:03:50 ◼   ► So like, where's this?

01:03:52 ◼   ► Where's the other?

01:03:53 ◼   ► - So the big thing is Relay FM archives.

01:03:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, which you don't need on your computer, right?

01:03:58 ◼   ► We can agree with that.

01:03:59 ◼   ► - And then it's like scattered to the wind.

01:04:01 ◼   ► So it's like 500 gigs here, 400 gigs there.

01:04:03 ◼   ► - What is 400 gigs there?

01:04:06 ◼   ► Like it's still 400.

01:04:08 ◼   ► Like what?

01:04:09 ◼   ► For what?

01:04:10 ◼   ► - That is my folder of Apple software installers.

01:04:14 ◼   ► - A folder of Apple.

01:04:16 ◼   ► - Look, so if I got to boot one of these things.

01:04:18 ◼   ► - No, look.

01:04:19 ◼   ► I agree.

01:04:20 ◼   ► I agree you should have these things, right?

01:04:23 ◼   ► - But not on your computer.

01:04:26 ◼   ► - There you go.

01:04:27 ◼   ► - But if it's on an external drive,

01:04:28 ◼   ► it has to be on a second external drive

01:04:29 ◼   ► or it's not backed up properly.

01:04:31 ◼   ► - I'm going to get to that.

01:04:32 ◼   ► - And then I have a stack of drives on my desk.

01:04:35 ◼   ► Now when I had the Mac Pro, it was all internal,

01:04:36 ◼   ► but now the Mac Pro is dumb.

01:04:38 ◼   ► - So you have a cabin full of computers.

01:04:40 ◼   ► You can keep two external drives.

01:04:42 ◼   ► - Yes, this is an excellent point.

01:04:45 ◼   ► Like I'm looking at your UPS, right?

01:04:47 ◼   ► The Uninterruptible Power Supply.

01:04:49 ◼   ► That is massive.

01:04:50 ◼   ► That is like the size of a computer.

01:04:52 ◼   ► - I bought that for the Mac Pro and it's still good.

01:04:57 ◼   ► - Oh my God, I've just realized how funny this is.

01:05:00 ◼   ► You have a UPS for a laptop.

01:05:02 ◼   ► It has its own battery.

01:05:04 ◼   ► - But the studio display doesn't

01:05:05 ◼   ► and the external SSDs don't.

01:05:07 ◼   ► - Wait, whoa, hang on.

01:05:09 ◼   ► There's external SSDs.

01:05:10 ◼   ► You just said you didn't know that.

01:05:12 ◼   ► - But they're the backup drives.

01:05:13 ◼   ► - Right, so why are the backup drives okay

01:05:15 ◼   ► to live on the desk?

01:05:16 ◼   ► - We'll talk about this.

01:05:17 ◼   ► Mike, look under the desk.

01:05:19 ◼   ► - Okay, I'm looking.

01:05:20 ◼   ► - Do you want me to raise it up for you?

01:05:21 ◼   ► - No, I can see.

01:05:22 ◼   ► - How much stuff is in there?

01:05:23 ◼   ► - What do you mean?

01:05:24 ◼   ► - Like how many drives does it have?

01:05:26 ◼   ► - Under the desk is very clean.

01:05:27 ◼   ► There's just the UPS and there's an era on top.

01:05:30 ◼   ► On top of the desk, which is an odd choice,

01:05:32 ◼   ► I think there's like three external drives.

01:05:35 ◼   ► - Two external drives, the CalDigit and my audio equipment.

01:05:38 ◼   ► - But like why can't one of those be an eight terabyte SSD?

01:05:41 ◼   ► - That actually in total is 24 terabytes of SSD.

01:05:46 ◼   ► - What is going on?

01:05:47 ◼   ► - Okay, we're just gonna be talking about storage

01:05:49 ◼   ► like half an hour.

01:05:50 ◼   ► What's on those 24 terabytes?

01:05:53 ◼   ► Wait, so you have eight terabyte SSD inside

01:05:55 ◼   ► and 24 terabytes of SSD just on the desk.

01:05:58 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:05:59 ◼   ► - You have a problem.

01:06:00 ◼   ► - No, no, no, no, no.

01:06:01 ◼   ► This is too much, man.

01:06:03 ◼   ► I mean, you are concerned about problems that don't exist.

01:06:08 ◼   ► - Let me explain what the external SSDs are.

01:06:11 ◼   ► So there is an eight terabyte SSD

01:06:15 ◼   ► that it is the nightly clone of the laptop.

01:06:17 ◼   ► So if the laptop falls in the river,

01:06:19 ◼   ► because I am noticeably to me like nervous

01:06:24 ◼   ► about having one computer,

01:06:25 ◼   ► 'cause I've had two computers for such a long time.

01:06:27 ◼   ► And if the laptop was lost or stolen or fell in a pool,

01:06:31 ◼   ► like my desktop was safe and sound out here.

01:06:34 ◼   ► But with just the one computer,

01:06:35 ◼   ► I wanna make sure it's backed up really thoroughly.

01:06:37 ◼   ► So the eight terabyte volume,

01:06:40 ◼   ► which is a single eight terabyte drive is a nightly clone.

01:06:44 ◼   ► The bigger of the two cases is two eight terabyte SSDs

01:06:49 ◼   ► that are one 16 terabyte volume.

01:06:53 ◼   ► And that's my time machine backup.

01:06:55 ◼   ► So it's twice as big as the laptop.

01:06:57 ◼   ► - I'm sorry, but this is too much.

01:06:59 ◼   ► - Time machine over SSD is very fast.

01:07:02 ◼   ► It's sweet.

01:07:03 ◼   ► - Nothing is gonna have to require all these backups.

01:07:07 ◼   ► - If a tree falls through this office, it matters.

01:07:10 ◼   ► - You have stuff in the cloud.

01:07:12 ◼   ► You have backplace, you have Dropbox.

01:07:14 ◼   ► I can understand having either time machine or a nightly cone

01:07:17 ◼   ► but to have everything happening all at once.

01:07:21 ◼   ► - To think they are all in the same physical space

01:07:23 ◼   ► as each other.

01:07:24 ◼   ► - Well, there are also drives that aren't here.

01:07:25 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

01:07:26 ◼   ► - That are backed up to about once a month.

01:07:28 ◼   ► - Steven, I love you,

01:07:30 ◼   ► but you're not running the MacBook of Joe Biden.

01:07:33 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:07:34 ◼   ► You don't have national security stuff on your computer.

01:07:39 ◼   ► - You don't know what I have in Devon think.

01:07:40 ◼   ► - He doesn't need to have six different backups.

01:07:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, there is a, I feel like that there is like a time,

01:07:47 ◼   ► there is like a timeline of when people did this.

01:07:51 ◼   ► And Steven has fought, Steven's advanced years

01:07:55 ◼   ► over me in Federico means that he has fell

01:07:57 ◼   ► onto that timeline.

01:07:58 ◼   ► - So what I can tell you what happened to me.

01:08:00 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:08:01 ◼   ► - In college, you were hit by a ball of lemon.

01:08:03 ◼   ► - Tell us about your trauma, Steven.

01:08:05 ◼   ► - Did you fall into a radioactive part of SDs?

01:08:09 ◼   ► - I did.

01:08:10 ◼   ► - You became drive man.

01:08:11 ◼   ► - In college, my power book had water spilled on it.

01:08:15 ◼   ► And I lost basically all of my college work.

01:08:18 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:08:19 ◼   ► - And when I walked through that trial of fire and water,

01:08:22 ◼   ► I said, never again will I lose data.

01:08:25 ◼   ► - This is all a great point,

01:08:27 ◼   ► but you have gone to a length which is unnecessary.

01:08:30 ◼   ► - But it lets me sleep at night.

01:08:32 ◼   ► And to be clear, this actually doesn't help my case.

01:08:35 ◼   ► I was gonna say those SSDs were in the Mac Pro.

01:08:38 ◼   ► So it's like I bought them just for backup,

01:08:39 ◼   ► but I bought them for backup

01:08:41 ◼   ► when they were inside the Mac Pro.

01:08:42 ◼   ► So they've been upcycled.

01:08:45 ◼   ► - The eight terabytes of SSD inside of your laptop,

01:08:47 ◼   ► we can all agree is too much, right?

01:08:49 ◼   ► But will you agree with this that it is too much?

01:08:52 ◼   ► - I could get away with four.

01:08:53 ◼   ► - Yes, 'cause you're half using this right now,

01:08:55 ◼   ► you're not gonna use this machine

01:08:57 ◼   ► for more than another two years.

01:08:58 ◼   ► Like you're just not, you will upgrade it

01:08:59 ◼   ► because that's who we all are, you especially, right?

01:09:02 ◼   ► You love new Macs.

01:09:04 ◼   ► It's too much, man.

01:09:05 ◼   ► It's too much.

01:09:06 ◼   ► Like you've got what, like five different backups?

01:09:10 ◼   ► - Backblaze, Time Machine, Clone.

01:09:13 ◼   ► - And then the-

01:09:14 ◼   ► - So the stuff is synced to Dropbox and other places.

01:09:16 ◼   ► - No, but then also these like ones

01:09:18 ◼   ► that you won't talk about

01:09:19 ◼   ► that are put in a safe somewhere or whatever.

01:09:20 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah.

01:09:21 ◼   ► So how many more are there?

01:09:22 ◼   ► - That's like a stack of spinning drives

01:09:24 ◼   ► just to like cover all my,

01:09:26 ◼   ► that is a real situation that needs more work.

01:09:29 ◼   ► - Federico, I wish you were in this room with me right now.

01:09:31 ◼   ► - I hate it. - Because this man is,

01:09:32 ◼   ► his brain is spinning as he's trying to explain this.

01:09:36 ◼   ► It's so good.

01:09:37 ◼   ► - You have taken this, I'm very concerned

01:09:40 ◼   ► because I knew you had a lot of surge

01:09:43 ◼   ► and like thoughts about backups,

01:09:45 ◼   ► but you have reached this sort of doomsday scenario point

01:09:50 ◼   ► where you're like, you're like those people

01:09:53 ◼   ► who worry about the apocalypse

01:09:55 ◼   ► and they start stacking up like canned food and stuff

01:10:00 ◼   ► in case like an atomic event happens

01:10:02 ◼   ► and they need to live underground for 20 years,

01:10:05 ◼   ► nothing is gonna happen to your computer.

01:10:07 ◼   ► You are never going to use this computer

01:10:10 ◼   ► for more than two years

01:10:12 ◼   ► because you're always gonna get the new one.

01:10:14 ◼   ► You don't need to spend all this money.

01:10:16 ◼   ► - Your life would be easier

01:10:18 ◼   ► if most of this stuff was on external drives

01:10:20 ◼   ► because every time you buy a new computer,

01:10:22 ◼   ► it takes like a hundred days

01:10:23 ◼   ► to transfer the data from one to the other.

01:10:24 ◼   ► - The transfer did take a long time.

01:10:26 ◼   ► - Yeah. - I mean, really, I,

01:10:28 ◼   ► and reflecting on this, I just really miss the Mac Pro

01:10:32 ◼   ► 'cause it was sweet that all of it was just in the machine.

01:10:36 ◼   ► - Let me tell you about this. - But the new Mac Pro

01:10:38 ◼   ► doesn't make any sense.

01:10:39 ◼   ► - But then why do you, but okay,

01:10:41 ◼   ► so we come back to a thing

01:10:43 ◼   ► that I brought up a long time ago.

01:10:45 ◼   ► Why did you switch from the Mac Studio to the MacBook Pro?

01:10:48 ◼   ► - That's what I wanted to mention.

01:10:49 ◼   ► I don't understand why don't you have a Mac Studio?

01:10:53 ◼   ► - It will never make sense to me.

01:10:55 ◼   ► I felt like there was never a reason at the time

01:10:58 ◼   ► and I still don't understand.

01:10:59 ◼   ► I don't understand why you did it.

01:11:00 ◼   ► - And it was never fully explained to us?

01:11:02 ◼   ► - Really the reason was that I wanted to have the experience

01:11:07 ◼   ► that most people who use a Mac

01:11:12 ◼   ► in a professional environment do,

01:11:14 ◼   ► which is a laptop and an external display.

01:11:16 ◼   ► And I hadn't done that since like 2013 or '14.

01:11:20 ◼   ► And so I thought it was time to, with the M2,

01:11:25 ◼   ► I thought it was time to experiment with that again.

01:11:29 ◼   ► Honestly, other than sort of the mess of cables

01:11:32 ◼   ► that you have to have

01:11:33 ◼   ► and like the really overpriced CalDigit TS4

01:11:36 ◼   ► that it's sitting over there,

01:11:38 ◼   ► I feel like the experiment's been really successful.

01:11:40 ◼   ► Like I like having everything on one machine.

01:11:42 ◼   ► I like that when I take it somewhere, everything is with me.

01:11:44 ◼   ► Like when I went to Apple last week

01:11:46 ◼   ► or this week we were at St. Jude every day.

01:11:48 ◼   ► But it does come with the nervousness of,

01:11:52 ◼   ► oh boy, my whole life and job is all just in one place.

01:11:57 ◼   ► So that's why the backups are there.

01:11:59 ◼   ► So if I have to recover from something,

01:12:03 ◼   ► I can do it pretty quickly.

01:12:04 ◼   ► - I think you should go back to the Mac studio.

01:12:06 ◼   ► I think this is a noble idea, but like-

01:12:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, I wanna see what the M3 generation brings

01:12:16 ◼   ► and make a decision.

01:12:17 ◼   ► - I feel like your role as Mac Pal user.

01:12:19 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:12:20 ◼   ► - I understand why you would be like,

01:12:22 ◼   ► all right, I want to have a MacBook Pro and a display

01:12:26 ◼   ► like the majority of the listeners.

01:12:27 ◼   ► But do you really feel like you learned anything

01:12:29 ◼   ► from this experience, like specifically?

01:12:32 ◼   ► - You wanted to be a people person.

01:12:34 ◼   ► You tried, it was a honest effort.

01:12:36 ◼   ► - The idea of being the every man

01:12:38 ◼   ► with the eight terabyte SSD inside of a MacBook Pro.

01:12:40 ◼   ► - That does break down my argument.

01:12:43 ◼   ► I will give you that.

01:12:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, you're like the meme of like,

01:12:48 ◼   ► you know, with the dog being like,

01:12:50 ◼   ► they don't realize, they don't know yet that I'm a dog.

01:12:53 ◼   ► And there's like sheep around the dog.

01:12:57 ◼   ► It's like, I get it as a thing you wanted to try,

01:13:02 ◼   ► but you should just embrace your true self.

01:13:05 ◼   ► - And I think my true self probably is like a desktop

01:13:07 ◼   ► and then a MacBook Air.

01:13:08 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Yeah.

01:13:09 ◼   ► - That's what I do.

01:13:11 ◼   ► Although I use a MacBook as a desktop,

01:13:13 ◼   ► but I will one day buy the Mac Studio.

01:13:15 ◼   ► - Yeah, we talked about that.

01:13:15 ◼   ► But you have your 13 inch Air here

01:13:18 ◼   ► as like that's such a perfect laptop.

01:13:19 ◼   ► - It's the perfect laptop.

01:13:21 ◼   ► That laptop you have, it's a 14 inch, right?

01:13:23 ◼   ► It's too big.

01:13:24 ◼   ► When this thing is so perfect

01:13:27 ◼   ► and for all of the work that we do, no problem.

01:13:31 ◼   ► - So we'll see where I end up,

01:13:33 ◼   ► but that's kind of, that's the storage.

01:13:36 ◼   ► The next thing in the outline, it says laptop on a stand.

01:13:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, this is madness.

01:13:42 ◼   ► Laptop on a stand.

01:13:43 ◼   ► I don't understand it.

01:13:44 ◼   ► Like this is the thing that I don't like, right?

01:13:46 ◼   ► Which is why I don't get it,

01:13:47 ◼   ► which is using the laptop screen as a second display,

01:13:52 ◼   ► it doesn't work for me.

01:13:53 ◼   ► Like the size disparity between the two displays is massive.

01:13:58 ◼   ► So like, I always felt like if I did this,

01:14:00 ◼   ► I would drag an app from one window to the next

01:14:02 ◼   ► and it would just be a nightmare

01:14:04 ◼   ► because it was always the wrong size completely.

01:14:06 ◼   ► - Well, you need a good window management tool.

01:14:08 ◼   ► I would suggest that episode of MPU to you.

01:14:10 ◼   ► - Well, no, 'cause I, David gave me a private thing once

01:14:14 ◼   ► and we went through Moom together and I got,

01:14:16 ◼   ► but it's still like, that's too much of an aggravation for me

01:14:18 ◼   ► of like moving the things around.

01:14:20 ◼   ► And I do think it is just, it looks weird on a desk.

01:14:23 ◼   ► - It takes some getting used to.

01:14:25 ◼   ► For me, so I'm sitting in front of a studio display

01:14:28 ◼   ► and the laptop is status.

01:14:31 ◼   ► So on the left side is time-ery

01:14:34 ◼   ► and the right side is reminders

01:14:36 ◼   ► or whatever my to-do manager is.

01:14:38 ◼   ► And it's just like, I can look over there

01:14:40 ◼   ► and kind of get a status of my day and then move on.

01:14:45 ◼   ► And even with the Proteus Play XDR, which I had before,

01:14:48 ◼   ► I didn't really have a place,

01:14:51 ◼   ► like I wanna look over here and see what's going on.

01:14:53 ◼   ► Now, I tried two studio displays and it was just too much.

01:14:56 ◼   ► It was too much for that desk in this office,

01:14:59 ◼   ► it was too much.

01:15:00 ◼   ► And so I, that's living at my brother's now.

01:15:03 ◼   ► But if I do go back to a desktop at some point

01:15:08 ◼   ► with a studio display, I'll probably use an iPad

01:15:09 ◼   ► or something as a sort of a status board.

01:15:12 ◼   ► 'Cause I do find that to be useful the way that I work.

01:15:15 ◼   ► But yeah, I'm not like writing email over there

01:15:17 ◼   ► and then coming back to the main display,

01:15:19 ◼   ► like the work is all happening on the studio display.

01:15:21 ◼   ► - This isn't something that I think needs to change.

01:15:23 ◼   ► I just wanna, that's just like a thing.

01:15:25 ◼   ► I don't like it. - I get it.

01:15:26 ◼   ► - And I just wondered how you felt about it.

01:15:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's not great.

01:15:30 ◼   ► Now I don't care about,

01:15:31 ◼   ► actually I have promotion off on the MacBook Pro.

01:15:34 ◼   ► The color stuff doesn't mean anything to me,

01:15:36 ◼   ► like I don't need it.

01:15:37 ◼   ► And so I think some people would be bothered by,

01:15:39 ◼   ► oh, the laptop screen's way better than the studio display.

01:15:42 ◼   ► But in the ways that it's better,

01:15:44 ◼   ► don't make a big impact in my life.

01:15:45 ◼   ► So I'm okay with that.

01:15:47 ◼   ► You know, it's better paired with a Pro Display XDR,

01:15:50 ◼   ► but even then you don't have promotion.

01:15:52 ◼   ► So maybe at some point Apple will have an external display

01:15:55 ◼   ► that matches the quality and the specs of the MacBook Pro,

01:15:59 ◼   ► but that ain't there yet.

01:16:00 ◼   ► - Federico, did you have any additional questions for Steven?

01:16:03 ◼   ► - I have questions about apps.

01:16:05 ◼   ► The software, I'm not fully sold on your choices.

01:16:10 ◼   ► For starters, overcast on the Mac.

01:16:13 ◼   ► - Only for checking that things publish okay.

01:16:16 ◼   ► - You have your phone, you have your phone.

01:16:18 ◼   ► - Yeah, but it's like on the dock, you know,

01:16:19 ◼   ► I can just open overcast on the Mac.

01:16:20 ◼   ► - Oh come on, why?

01:16:21 ◼   ► It's like 30 centimeters away from you?

01:16:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's a long way away.

01:16:25 ◼   ► - I'm sorry Federico, I have overcast on my Mac too

01:16:27 ◼   ► for the same reason.

01:16:29 ◼   ► I understand, I 100% understand what you're saying,

01:16:32 ◼   ► but I do it too.

01:16:33 ◼   ► - So the other thing I want to understand is

01:16:36 ◼   ► why Mars Edit, both in the dock and the menu bar,

01:16:41 ◼   ► and follow up question,

01:16:43 ◼   ► why don't you just blog from Safari or from?

01:16:48 ◼   ► - I really like Mars Edit,

01:16:51 ◼   ► and I don't like writing in the browser.

01:16:54 ◼   ► That's probably the time I came up, you know, like.

01:16:57 ◼   ► - I would like to introduce you to our CMS.

01:16:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, but it's not for blogging currently.

01:17:01 ◼   ► - So don't you have like, that's your text editor.

01:17:04 ◼   ► You don't have a text editor like Obsidian or IE writer,

01:17:08 ◼   ► like you use Mars Edit.

01:17:11 ◼   ► - For longer things, I'll use IE writer,

01:17:13 ◼   ► but most of the stuff I write is not your, you know,

01:17:18 ◼   ► IO 17 review.

01:17:19 ◼   ► And so I will just write in Mars Edit,

01:17:21 ◼   ► save it locally and then publish it when I'm ready.

01:17:23 ◼   ► As far as it being both places,

01:17:25 ◼   ► I realized that in the screenshot,

01:17:28 ◼   ► I don't actually ever use it from the menu bar.

01:17:30 ◼   ► So I needed to turn that off,

01:17:32 ◼   ► but I wanted my screenshot to be kind of

01:17:34 ◼   ► as it was at the time.

01:17:36 ◼   ► - Also in the menu bar, you have some icons

01:17:38 ◼   ► I don't understand.

01:17:40 ◼   ► What's the first blue one from the left?

01:17:42 ◼   ► - Let me pull up the screenshot

01:17:44 ◼   ► 'cause it may be different now.

01:17:45 ◼   ► - Dymo. - Dymo.

01:17:47 ◼   ► So that is the software for my label printer.

01:17:52 ◼   ► And the only reason that's installed right now

01:17:54 ◼   ► is because I've started some preliminary stuff

01:17:57 ◼   ► on the calendar fulfillment and yeah,

01:17:59 ◼   ► it just runs up there and it's terrible and ugly.

01:18:01 ◼   ► - Also in the secondary menu bar, what's the Q icon?

01:18:05 ◼   ► - That's Quitter that Marco wrote

01:18:07 ◼   ► that'll hide or quit apps after a given amount of time.

01:18:09 ◼   ► - And what about the one on the left

01:18:11 ◼   ► that looks like a letter C?

01:18:13 ◼   ► - Carbon Copy Cloner.

01:18:14 ◼   ► So that's what I'm using to back up each night.

01:18:17 ◼   ► - And lastly, Good Links in your doc.

01:18:21 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:18:22 ◼   ► - That's your Read Later app or is it something else?

01:18:24 ◼   ► - It's my Read Later app.

01:18:25 ◼   ► - Okay, so you also have it on your phone, iPad.

01:18:30 ◼   ► - Yep, everywhere.

01:18:31 ◼   ► I'm a big fan of it.

01:18:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, I don't have,

01:18:34 ◼   ► I understand the thing about Overcast.

01:18:36 ◼   ► That one thing is there.

01:18:38 ◼   ► The calendar icon, that's Fantastical, right?

01:18:41 ◼   ► - No, it's Apple Calendar.

01:18:41 ◼   ► - It's Apple Calendar?

01:18:43 ◼   ► Are you using Apple Calendar instead of Fantastical?

01:18:45 ◼   ► - Everywhere.

01:18:46 ◼   ► - Everywhere.

01:18:47 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:18:47 ◼   ► - Care to explain why?

01:18:48 ◼   ► - I just don't need a lot of the extra stuff

01:18:51 ◼   ► Fantastical offers.

01:18:52 ◼   ► And so there are a couple of things I would--

01:18:54 ◼   ► - I'm in the same boat,

01:18:55 ◼   ► but I thought you were using Fantastical.

01:18:58 ◼   ► - I did for a long time.

01:18:59 ◼   ► And I think at some point in the last couple of years,

01:19:01 ◼   ► it was like, let me try Apple Calendar again.

01:19:03 ◼   ► And it was enough.

01:19:04 ◼   ► - So you're both using Apple Calendar?

01:19:05 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's fine.

01:19:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:19:08 ◼   ► Also because now on iOS 17,

01:19:09 ◼   ► you can just create a calendar event from Spotlight.

01:19:13 ◼   ► And it's--

01:19:14 ◼   ► - Oh, that's cool.

01:19:16 ◼   ► - Maybe at this point,

01:19:17 ◼   ► I couldn't tell you why I'm using Fantastical,

01:19:19 ◼   ► but I just am.

01:19:21 ◼   ► - The iPhone app in particular is really nice.

01:19:22 ◼   ► - It's very nice.

01:19:24 ◼   ► - Well, when it remembers what day you're on.

01:19:26 ◼   ► - Oh, yeah.

01:19:27 ◼   ► - It does that a lot.

01:19:28 ◼   ► - Oh, no.

01:19:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, and that's pretty much it for me.

01:19:31 ◼   ► Ivory makes sense.

01:19:33 ◼   ► Apple Notes.

01:19:36 ◼   ► What do you put in Apple Notes?

01:19:38 ◼   ► That doesn't go--

01:19:39 ◼   ► - Everything.

01:19:40 ◼   ► - Well, everything doesn't go into DevanThink,

01:19:41 ◼   ► doesn't go into Day One,

01:19:42 ◼   ► doesn't go into Mars Edit,

01:19:44 ◼   ► doesn't go into Good Links.

01:19:45 ◼   ► What is everything?

01:19:46 ◼   ► - So Notes is my personal database.

01:19:50 ◼   ► So I'm looking through it, right?

01:19:51 ◼   ► There's stuff, there's personal stuff,

01:19:54 ◼   ► like my list of medications or upcoming trips.

01:19:58 ◼   ► DevanThink is tech history solely.

01:20:01 ◼   ► So some things start life in Good Links,

01:20:03 ◼   ► and I say, oh, you know what?

01:20:04 ◼   ► I'm actually gonna save this to DevanThink.

01:20:06 ◼   ► And then, Day One is all feelings and dream,

01:20:10 ◼   ► mostly my dream journal.