00:00:00 ◼ ► I'm running I'm almost at the bottom of my window it's like you know a little like the calm of icons I pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/0">TS</a>]
00:00:05 ◼ ► almost hold all the different slacks Iran. Yeah. My God I'm in three destiny slacks alone. Just for Destiny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5">TS</a>]
00:00:13 ◼ ► Even before you show that like podcast. Tech friend. My work has one now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/13">TS</a>]
00:00:18 ◼ ► I think my work has multiple ones or only I'm one of them. Slack proliferation of the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/18">TS</a>]
00:00:23 ◼ ► So you aren't all the ones for work but you are in multiple destinies LAX you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/23">TS</a>]
00:00:29 ◼ ► I'm not in all the destiny life that exist I'm just. Yeah people can get their act together with the best things like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/29">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► Right so we want to actually talk about something that's relevant. Tonight. Do we ever really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/35">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► Yeah you pour didn't follow up that's not really follow up I guess you could even call it fall out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/42">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► You have a new show how we couldn't. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/47">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► Yeah I started a new developer pod cast with our friend underscore David Smith who is the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/52">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► The app developer and podcast indexer extraordinaire. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/57">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► He and I talked about it last summer at the be reducible to summer W.B.C. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/60">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► Talk about doing it and then just you know life got in the way for both of us now we finally got it together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/64">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► and are doing it. And we publish our first episode today. So. So far it's doing well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/69">TS</a>]
00:01:14 ◼ ► Check it out it's called under the radar. And it's basically you know he had his show developing perspective. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/74">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► And he is now basically ended it. To do this is kind of the successor to that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/81">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► I back in the day did build and analyze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/86">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► and so this is kind of the combination of those two shows it is kind of like the successor to build and analyze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/87">TS</a>]
00:01:33 ◼ ► and developing perspective. It's really a developer focus show like this show is kind of more general Apple tech world. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/93">TS</a>]
00:01:41 ◼ ► That show is really developers. And it's limited to only thirty minutes. So it's a quick. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/101">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► You know thirty minutes a week so it's not too. Time costly to subscribe so check it out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/106">TS</a>]
00:01:52 ◼ ► That's actually it's for developers developers developers. So at this point. It is unequivocal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/112">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► That that all of us have shows on really a family and I know you have top form for this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/118">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► And so this is this is what point do we join Really. I mean at this point we're pretty much there. People have asked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/125">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► So I honestly it's we're talking about briefly if anybody actually cares about the answer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/135">TS</a>]
00:02:18 ◼ ► The answer basically is that we didn't start out really and there in there is not real like as much as we love. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/138">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► Really we don't really have a lot of reason to move A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/144">TS</a>]
00:02:27 ◼ ► There because it's already going on its own it's already independent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/147">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► We already have our own ad sales and hosting and everything set up already. So there's not much reason to move it in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/150">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► David and I didn't even question with course we're going to hurt I really just because you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/157">TS</a>]
00:02:42 ◼ ► and I talked about pod cast networks before and I've been against them in certain ways and for them in certain others. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/162">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► And the reality is a pod cast network is a trade off you lose control. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/167">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► You lose some of the money and you lose some of the branding. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► But you get is you have to do a lot less work to make the shows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/174">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► And so depending on what you need to show to do and what your priorities are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/178">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► and how much time you have that can determine kind of you know where you fall in that and so for this new show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/181">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► Given where we were we decided network was the right move for our needs right now. That makes sense and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/189">TS</a>]
00:03:16 ◼ ► Folks are really really awesome. And they're all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/196">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► They're all good friends of ours we really enjoy them so yeah I mean I think if A.T.P. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/198">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► Were to start tomorrow it probably would be unrelated but at this point don't don't fix what ain't broke so. Yep. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/202">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► All right so now we're done with fallouts asterisk not staircase approved let's do some follow up.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/208">TS</a>]
00:03:35 ◼ ► Somebody wrote in dust as it's got to be pronounced wrong because there's a fancy strike. Through the O.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/215">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► Masterson road into it's just the euro. Dust is Iran that's true. That is actually how I write zeros anyways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/222">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► This individual said another thing about the Facebook app saying it all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/228">TS</a>]
00:03:52 ◼ ► Please videos in your timeline and even muted videos take over I.O.'s is Audioboo. This is. If you remember. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/232">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► Because Facebook claims that oh it was just an accidental bug that we had videos that played a never released the audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/238">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► session and that's why we were backgrounded for forever. That still strikes me as a little weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/246">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► And a little aggressive for them to auto play videos but. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/252">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► It seems like everyone's kind of starting to believe that this is really their net to to to not nefarious actions is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/256">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► that what the going theory is now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/261">TS</a>]
00:04:23 ◼ ► Well the fact that the auto plant was brought up by a couple people I just bought this one in there because like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/263">TS</a>]
00:04:27 ◼ ► I didn't watch a video on the Facebook app and it's still eating my battery lol. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/267">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► You didn't probably watch a video as an intentionally tap on a little play button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/272">TS</a>]
00:04:36 ◼ ► but if you just launch Facebook apparently and scroll through your timeline. It. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/276">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► You know it considers it will start playing it it will grab the audio session even if i guess even if you just scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/280">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► So a lot of people are sort of unknowingly implicitly playing videos merely by launching the Happen scrolling through a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/286">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► timeline. Which would further explain why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/293">TS</a>]
00:04:56 ◼ ► You know that this audio session bug thing is biting lots of people even people who don't have any recollection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/296">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► or watching a video. They make sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/302">TS</a>]
00:05:08 ◼ ► and told us that he knows how to have spotlight index his Snellen G eight hundred fifteen plus which Well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/308">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► remember which one of us is talking about that because it wasn't me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► I was exhausting Halleck one of the reasons why I like direct attached or ice because he over. Regular network shares. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/316">TS</a>]
00:05:23 ◼ ► Is that regular network shares don't have the spotlight integration they don't have like system integration I just hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/323">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► how slow it is to connect to and browse network shares. Still in twenty fifty even over wired gigabit networks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/329">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► There are not so Jeff has the appropriate commands that are sitting in our show notes which are not helpful to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/336">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► and reading this out will also be not helpful so we will link to something some way somehow that explains this exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/343">TS</a>]
00:05:51 ◼ ► and answers I remember doing it back in one spot a source introduced like one of the bragging rights as ole even index [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/351">TS</a>]
00:05:56 ◼ ► your network of this is back in the F.P. Days. Believe even index or network shares. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/356">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► I don't know what the status of that is like if it doesn't do it by default a name or ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/360">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► but bottom line is this command line tools where you can force it to is the empty you till command line in the empty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/365">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► import command line if you just read the man pages them you can figure it out will try to put a link to the Stock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/370">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► Exchange question in the show notes so you can fall through it and figure out how to enable it yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/376">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► I don't know what it will be like I'm not even sure how it keeps up keeps track of what has been updated there does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► appear to be rescanned the whole drive anyway. Maybe you just have to run it on a schedule to rescan the drive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/385">TS</a>]
00:06:33 ◼ ► But if you. This is something you want to do. You can try it. Excellent. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/393">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► And Rich night wrote in to ask us some questions about Google and stitcher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/399">TS</a>]
00:06:45 ◼ ► He says It seems that the biggest issue that you guys have with these apps applies equally to Google and stitcher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/405">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► Is that they re host your files that impacts your stats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/410">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► and he lose control over quality making changes cetra My question is why do they bother. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/412">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► Let's imagine Google built the exact same app but without real sting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/418">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► If they want to inject ads at the beginning at the end they can still do a client side they could still build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/421">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► interesting things like full text search. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/426">TS</a>]
00:07:08 ◼ ► That John had mentioned by simply downloading your file wants to index it it wouldn't take off the publishers who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/428">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► still have control over their files and download stats. Bandwidth costs shift back to the publishers etc etc etc. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/434">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► This is all good for them so what's the big benefit of Rio sting in the first place. So this is so and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/440">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► You know this is again the pod cast things of legals pod casting with Google music they announced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/447">TS</a>]
00:07:32 ◼ ► and detour the podcasting. Re hosting people's pockets file before serving them in the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/452">TS</a>]
00:07:36 ◼ ► There for requiring publisher approval and that I'm publisher Staton everything else. The main benefits are really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/456">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► It comes down to control and consistency. If you re host the files yourself as the intermediary service provider. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/463">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► You can first of all you can guarantee that they will be there. And they will load quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/470">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► Because if you just rely you know. Overcast isn't worth the overcast and most pod cast apps. Just degassed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/474">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► They get the files directly from the publisher server which could be a terrible little web hosting box it could be a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/479">TS</a>]
00:08:06 ◼ ► nice C.D.N. It could be something very far away or very geographically close. And there's. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/486">TS</a>]
00:08:10 ◼ ► So as wide variety in transfer speeds download speeds for progress files just come directly from publishers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/490">TS</a>]
00:08:16 ◼ ► So if you're running a service like Google Play music or stitcher you want like some kind of big integrated experience. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/496">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► You don't want to take the risk of wondering whether someone else's server will actually be will serve you the file at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/501">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► the moment that that user requests it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/507">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► So that's the biggest reason and you don't know how quickly they will serve it to. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/510">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► So that's the biggest reason why they want to do this is also. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/513">TS</a>]
00:08:37 ◼ ► You know there's other additional things you can do for instance like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/517">TS</a>]
00:08:41 ◼ ► Now you know Rich mentioned that Google is most certainly going to the transcription thing that lets you tube videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/521">TS</a>]
00:08:46 ◼ ► for search. And you could indeed. Fetch the file once. Do you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/526">TS</a>]
00:08:52 ◼ ► Transcribe it and then continue to send people to the originals to download but then you have to like manage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/532">TS</a>]
00:08:57 ◼ ► Do I still have the most up to date copy it to pull it periodically to make sure you still the most up to date copy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/537">TS</a>]
00:09:02 ◼ ► And yet to update it if it changed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/542">TS</a>]
00:09:03 ◼ ► You never quite can be sure to Sara Lee If people going to get the exact version you got. Additionally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/543">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► And this is actually one thing that that might be a problem for play music. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/549">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► One thing that's that's really taking off big time in in big podcasting And you know it's basically the public radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/552">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► kind of shows the big name shows of a lot to download stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/558">TS</a>]
00:09:22 ◼ ► Is that dynamic ad insertion where every copy of the files they serve. Has a different set of ads in it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/562">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► And the idea here is they want to capture So you know. Suppose they sell an ad for a sir. Number of downloads. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/569">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► They want to make sure that once those downloads have happened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/577">TS</a>]
00:09:40 ◼ ► They can put a different ad in there they've sold separately. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/580">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► And for lots of reasons I honestly don't think this is a very good idea. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/583">TS</a>]
00:09:47 ◼ ► But regardless of what I think people are doing it. You know this is this is where a lot of the market is moving. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/587">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► And so if you make some secret requests to the same file on some of these big networks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/592">TS</a>]
00:09:57 ◼ ► You will get actually different copies of the file at different ads. That might even be slightly different lengths. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/597">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► So you can even link to a timestamp in the middle file because it might be a different time stamp for Tim who downloads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/601">TS</a>]
00:10:08 ◼ ► All of that is kind of messed up by systems like this that cache the file and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/608">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► but it also kind of throws a wrench in anything like overcast that assumes that the file will be generally the same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/612">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► If you go to fetch it a second time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► So there's justification on both sides for why you would read host files as a service provider versus why you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/620">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► want to pass them through. Neither side is perfect as a publisher. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/627">TS</a>]
00:10:32 ◼ ► I greatly prefer that they pass them through to two to us. You know but that is not necessarily their goal. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/632">TS</a>]
00:10:40 ◼ ► Now makes sense and speaking of head and searching. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/640">TS</a>]
00:10:42 ◼ ► Have you heard about people who put different ads into like their archive shows like they'll put their archive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/642">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► Shows up in like a year later they'll go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/648">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► and change all the ads in the year old shows exactly the same platform. Yeah exactly the same thing where. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/650">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► And that's what that's one of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/655">TS</a>]
00:10:56 ◼ ► One of the ways they can justify you know our show doesn't we don't really do a lot of archive downloads because we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/656">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► a topical news show most of the time. So. But there's a lot of shows out there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/660">TS</a>]
00:11:06 ◼ ► Kind of like the magazine style like human interest kind of shows that are fairly timeless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/666">TS</a>]
00:11:09 ◼ ► and so those shows tend to get way more archive downloads. Than a show like ours. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/669">TS</a>]
00:11:16 ◼ ► Sometimes those are even the majority of their downloads for say for certain kinds of shows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/676">TS</a>]
00:11:20 ◼ ► So they have different needs really like they if they tell an advertiser. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/680">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► You know we generally get to know the temper of downloads you want you want sponsor episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/684">TS</a>]
00:11:30 ◼ ► And it was a two hundred ends up in the archives getting five times as many downloads as usual because it had you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/690">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► has longevity there. Then those publishers want to get more value out of that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/695">TS</a>]
00:11:40 ◼ ► I honestly think this is a bad idea because I think that those surpluses that happen here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/700">TS</a>]
00:11:45 ◼ ► and there are actually already priced in to the premium C.P.M. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/705">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► Rate that we're able to get as POD casters compared to other media. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/710">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► So I think this is actually a terrible idea that this surplus has already been priced in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/713">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► and that we are actually eroding that by doing systems like this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/718">TS</a>]
00:12:01 ◼ ► And therefore I think it will almost certainly result in a noticeable drop in pod cast ads. Those but that's just me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/721">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► I think about people listening to all that was sort of ever critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/729">TS</a>]
00:12:12 ◼ ► and I wonder like some most companies that we had for Slim business. Get over enjoy it's going to be the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/732">TS</a>]
00:12:18 ◼ ► And they aren't always you know like that like. There's obviously like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/738">TS</a>]
00:12:21 ◼ ► There is an argument to be made that you should be kind of reminded ties into. It sounds terrible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/741">TS</a>]
00:12:27 ◼ ► Re monetizing these old episodes after a certain number of users and a time you can make that argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/747">TS</a>]
00:12:34 ◼ ► but I think it will have negative effects that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/754">TS</a>]
00:12:37 ◼ ► I'm not sure people are are fully thinking through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/757">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► but it doesn't really matter because if enough of the market does this it leave road to C.P.S. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/760">TS</a>]
00:12:45 ◼ ► And so even if you aren't doing it. It will. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/765">TS</a>]
00:12:48 ◼ ► It will be affecting you so you might as well do it now like the idea of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/768">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► when you watch old television programs like the most fun is watching the period. Appropriate ads that run. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/771">TS</a>]
00:13:00 ◼ ► Sensitive or going to be gone back so I remember Squarespace. Yeah. You know I'll be crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/780">TS</a>]
00:13:06 ◼ ► All right any other follow up there when you talk about Jon you have any other fallout that you'd like to cover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/786">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► Don't even know what you're talking about Marco save me until we got something that's awesome. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/792">TS</a>]
00:13:18 ◼ ► Well we're back to John because our first bunch of this week is Cards Against Humanity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/798">TS</a>]
00:13:22 ◼ ► And rather than doing the sponsor read bad John to review another toaster oven is a top down on the coast to coast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/802">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► stuff. So John what is this week's toaster oven. Toaster oven is it is this week's US or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/816">TS</a>]
00:13:43 ◼ ► This is I think in the style just actually the name brand but anyway. It's than a style just like tricks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/823">TS</a>]
00:13:50 ◼ ► B S E T three hundred. The retro red variant. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/830">TS</a>]
00:13:55 ◼ ► and one breakfast station before I continue with this I'm going to put one going to show notes are in the chat room you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/835">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► two should look at it. So I don't have to try to paint your word picture of the spawn Stross the Holy Mother. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/841">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► All right. Oh oh oh oh my god what is that all right. Oh yeah. You are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/847">TS</a>]
00:14:14 ◼ ► If you're listening to this and you are not driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/854">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► or not in a situation where you will put people in danger by taking a moment to look at this picture. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/856">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► Then please take a moment to look at this picture because this is amazing. My God. So it's like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/862">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► It's like a toaster oven. And it's red. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/867">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► I like the idea of these things being interesting colors because they're boring when they're gray or black. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/869">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► So someone has a nice kind of fire engine red. The toaster oven. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/873">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► Part of this thing is actually pretty small They show two slices of bread in at us kind of optimistic again miniature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/878">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► bread for the pictures. But that's not all there. In like the right side of the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/883">TS</a>]
00:14:52 ◼ ► Above the toaster oven is a non-stick griddle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/892">TS</a>]
00:14:56 ◼ ► Or what they call a non-stick griddle it so that no little bit here in the show eggs cooking on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/896">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► and sausage causing it to the left of the toaster oven again this is all one unit these are not three separate things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/902">TS</a>]
00:15:07 ◼ ► it's like a Steve Jobs i Phone six is a coffee maker. Like a filter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/907">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► Drip coffee maker with a little coffee thing and so in the same appliance. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/914">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► Yes The I did that in this one thing you can toast your bread. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/919">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► Make your coffee cook your eggs and your sausages that's why it is a three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/922">TS</a>]
00:15:26 ◼ ► and one breakfast station things done went out about this is it when you look at the picture. You. It looks crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/926">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► But there is I know they put things in a picture like the miniature bread and eggs and sausage. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/936">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► But there's really no sense of scale here. If you think that coffee. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/941">TS</a>]
00:15:44 ◼ ► The drip coffee mug it looks like you know a typical like you know eighty's kind of office drip coffee thing before I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/944">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► have a cake ups and everything. It is not a false I think it's like a doll's coffee thing that container. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/949">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► Holds maybe like a comp and I have two cups of hot water or coffee and it is not a full size think so it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/957">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► and I guess this is good because it was a full size coffee maker the thing would be huge right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/964">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► And same thing with the grid all very small so it's strange and it's like maybe if you live alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/968">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► and you just want to make yourself. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/973">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► Coffee and you want to make yourself drip coffee with like little filters and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/975">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► As you can do with the same so the controls get it for those functionality this is the one tell us it said you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/979">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► don't need three hundred two knobs it's funny which on the bottom of the switch on the bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/985">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► And that just turns the coffee thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► or off like basically do you want me to heat up the heating element that heats the water for the coffee or do you not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/994">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► So that's independent the top tile is a thing that lets you turn on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/998">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► and off the elements the things got for guarded elements to on the bottom to the top. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:48 ◼ ► You can say only bottom only top or top and bottom are off those your settings there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1008">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► and then the second knob is temperature. And the temperature novice fairly hilarious. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:59 ◼ ► If you can zoom in on the Amazon then you can see that the light medium [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1019">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► and dark settings for toast are within like three degrees of each other on the dial. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► Like the whole rest all my life for all the stuff. And this is not an accurate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:12 ◼ ► Like it was a surgical instrument you could say and I between medium and dark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1032">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► This so much slop in the doll like the three dots are within the margin of error. Like the flop on the dial. All right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► But here's the biggest problem with this device. And I actually I don't drink coffee. So I just made hot water. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► Well what am I going to jail and I'm and I'm dirty up of the filters and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► but the idea behind it seems to be that rather than. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:39 ◼ ► You know for space savings and to have like all your stuff happening in one spot if you have a like a small kitchen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1059">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► or you just want to like why waste all the space you know you can do this thing right so there's a lot of problems that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:49 ◼ ► thirty first is there's not room on top of a toaster depending how low your cabinets are the distance from the top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1069">TS</a>]
00:17:54 ◼ ► the telestrator the bottom of your cabinets. May not be that big. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1074">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► And you really don't want anything that's going to put off steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1077">TS</a>]
00:18:00 ◼ ► or like spatter from from sausages are really just like there's a reason they have vents on top of the cooking services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1080">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► you don't want there to be like a an aide ensure a one foot gap between your cooking sausages in the bottom of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► counters going to coat them with Greece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:14 ◼ ► but it turns out that's not that big of a problem because the way the things works is you can. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1094">TS</a>]
00:18:20 ◼ ► Like there's no separate control you just take like which elements you want to turn on so if you want all the elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1100">TS</a>]
00:18:24 ◼ ► on the top on the bottom ones. And you turn the dial turn it on those for he Amen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1104">TS</a>]
00:18:29 ◼ ► That's it except for the coffee thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1109">TS</a>]
00:18:31 ◼ ► And they have to fulfill the job of toasting the bread and also heating the griddle on top. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1111">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► They're not up to that task. Wow. You blow if you know they didn't blow a fuse they're just not up to the task. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:43 ◼ ► Basically my bread that I put in to get toast out came out is baked bread. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1123">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► Because it's just slow and it just slowly heats and dries and heats and dries bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:52 ◼ ► and eventually kind of sort of browns that in the time you get a model like little bricks. Like it's not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1132">TS</a>]
00:18:58 ◼ ► Not a good toaster. Takes a really long time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1138">TS</a>]
00:19:01 ◼ ► And they don't they don't toast you want to be toasted in crispy on the outside but not like totally be hydrated right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1141">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► And the second problem is the only things that are heating the grill part of the top two elements. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► And they're not enough they just you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► The instruction guys like oh you should preheat it for five minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► or I don't appreciate the time doing that I'm losing the whole convenience thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:18 ◼ ► So I cooked an egg on top of the same and it was the worst like it just did not get hot enough to really cook the egg. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1158">TS</a>]
00:19:23 ◼ ► And by the way the service on top of this is like. Payloads like a pill quilt. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1163">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► You know like a bunch of little rounded rectangle lumps all over it I don't understand what the polling is there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:32 ◼ ► all it does make it more likely that your egg is going to stick through has more certain. And crannies to go into. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1172">TS</a>]
00:19:37 ◼ ► Maybe it's a degree from your sausages to drain out or something. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1177">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► Terrible for cooking eggs just does not get hot enough fast enough. Doesn't get hot enough period and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:46 ◼ ► I don't see any extra convenience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1186">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► and the coffee maker thing is totally disconnected from the toaster in the griddle might as well be separate because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:52 ◼ ► it's just like well this is a very small opacity think that he's hot water for drip coffee. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1192">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► So just like anything that was a slot toaster until Strabane this multi-function device does not have its functions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1197">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► or maybe like to say maybe it does the coffee thing well maybe it is a sent good single serving drip coffee thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► All I can say is that it does boil the water in a reasonably timely fashion because hey it's only a boy like one cup of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:15 ◼ ► water. Probably isn't boiling. Go ahead. And it did. Well here probably not. And it did. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1215">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► Didn't blow a circuit or anything but it really should have because if you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► It just was not getting hung up the top and here wondering how the hell you wash a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:29 ◼ ► The griddle top thing comes right off which seems weird maybe if you take it off and turn the toaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1229">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► and you've got hot heating elements on help is there any way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► It comes off and you can clean diesel A about the I guess I can say about this the door. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► Until the thing I say about it is that it's cute. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► Like this is a cute thing the fact that it's red and it looks kind of like I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► I thought it was a cute appliance so it would look good in the background of a of a movie or sitcom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► but don't actually use it to heat up any of your food to make it better to eat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► Cannot recommend even its bargain price for three different lines is the combination of only seventy dollars. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1257">TS</a>]
00:21:04 ◼ ► Doesn't seem that ridiculous. That's. I wouldn't spend seven hundred dollars misspeak you don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1264">TS</a>]
00:21:09 ◼ ► You can get a good toaster. For less money than that. This is not a good toaster is not going to do anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1269">TS</a>]
00:21:14 ◼ ► So I don't I don't. If I have this in my house I don't know what I would use it for. I would use it for nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1274">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► If I paid you seventy dollars to keep it on your counter would you not on the counter space. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► Oh I forgot to mention there's also a lid. That goes on the griddle thing on the top. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:30 ◼ ► And I only can only assume that's like look we know the thing to get hot enough for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1290">TS</a>]
00:21:33 ◼ ► but the lid on it will steam your eggs at least until I actually kind of cook. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1293">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► So my final question on this is this is from this brand called Nostalgia electronics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► and they appear to have a whole different line of things but was this kind of thing ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► A thing that people use like it kind of implies that this is an old appliance they're bringing back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:58 ◼ ► and missed out your butt. Was this kind of a points ever really used by anybody ever. I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1318">TS</a>]
00:22:04 ◼ ► I assume the than a Stoddard brand is only loosely connected with the theme of actual missed Alger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1324">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► and Highwood I'm guessing based on the appearance that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► Just the idea is make it look like appliances look at another there was a specific appliance like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► and it does like with the script lettering and the red metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► and everything it does look like a little bit of a throwback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► but it was that plastic thing on top of the coffee maker that doesn't quite look right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:26 ◼ ► but it does kind of fit in with the sort of fifty's sixty's. Saif I like the get you know the future automation. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1346">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► And you know it does fit in even of the never made one of these things. It totally fits with that same. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► Especially with the fact that it doesn't work with them just like every one of the future things they made up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:45 ◼ ► fifty's and sixty's. That is called a saddle Actrix. Because I think like there is no way to use this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1365">TS</a>]
00:22:54 ◼ ► Either just using it because your life situation somehow led you to buy and own one of these things or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1374">TS</a>]
00:23:02 ◼ ► You are sad because it's performances so bad that you are sitting there eating your baked bread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1382">TS</a>]
00:23:07 ◼ ► and under-cooked sausage and just makes you set it on a chat room or posting the positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1387">TS</a>]
00:23:11 ◼ ► and negative Amazon reviews I can't believe there are positive ones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1391">TS</a>]
00:23:15 ◼ ► when you factor I just cannot believe anyone would find any part of the satisfactory except like that maybe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1395">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► I wanted to drip coffee maker that only made enough coffee for one and a half people and finally I found. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:26 ◼ ► Yeah you know a cure it gives insufficient they really want that drip coffee. Yeah yeah. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1406">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► Well I did I did not know what toaster this was going to be before the show started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► and I'm glad I didn't because that is magnificent. I hadn't before before we before we wrap up the toaster things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► Two things in this one. I finally people have been asking me. And I've been asking for this entire run of ads. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► What do I do with all the old souls old toasters and my answer for a long time had been nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► We don't have any plans of writing with all those years of Angele got to the point where I had just too many gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► toaster boxes miles I needed them to go away. And so now the toasters have gone away. I don't know where they went. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:05 ◼ ► But a nice person came to my house and took ten toasters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1445">TS</a>]
00:24:09 ◼ ► Jammed into a giant truck and took them away from my house so there. On I no longer have them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1449">TS</a>]
00:24:15 ◼ ► When I was taken me ten toasters and sending them away. I found this box. Unopened. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1455">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► I hadn't realized that I had an extra on open box this is like finding the strange treasure like wait a second this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► still sealed up. Good I never opened this one. And I opened it and this is the on holy thing that came out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► when I got the stuff all the way with the rest of the toasters like the Ark of the covenant the end of Indiana Jones. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► At the end of rate is a lost art which is not having any I don't pretty sick see what you've done to me now by any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► chance. Did you have a coffee maker box near them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► Me I'm thinking maybe there was some hanky panky going on in this came out. Wow Yeah. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:53 ◼ ► So this is the second to last poster of this Ron we've got one more left this year I think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1493">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► So I don't have to get rid of these posters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► and so that's where they go they go away from my house so I can set my car on the driveway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► I don't even know where to go from here. Well thanks and thanks to Cards Against Humanity. For sponsoring our show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► Once again. Well. So we just been here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► I mean we have other things to talk about we have other sponsors but where do we go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:27 ◼ ► I mean going to go downhill from here like the. How do we talk. What do we really do. Why good and it's alright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1527">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► So we do have things to talk about. And most specifically. We have some Apple T.V. Things to talk about in the end. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► I don't know how much I can contribute to this because I'm holding strong and not buying the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► That I'm sure I'm going to buy sometime between now and Christmas. He didn't even order it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► I thought you would find out you were surely audited at least now I think imma try to hold out for Christmas last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:53 ◼ ► Hanukkah gift but we'll see how it goes. You know the Plex app is out right. Yes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1553">TS</a>]
00:25:57 ◼ ► Plex is out which is why I am not really. Not really holding too strong on this. And I've heard it's really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1557">TS</a>]
00:26:03 ◼ ► Which is not helping me. Keep in mind also that the way Apple's product release cycle and pricing works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1563">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► Is that you're not be. You're getting. Anything by waiting. If you're going to buy this model of Apple T.V. Ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► Yeah you're right but I mean I don't I figure they're like I said it's holiday time coming up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► and this is the sort of thing that I do kind of want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► but I really don't feel like spending money on in part because I really don't want to mess with my audio set up that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:31 ◼ ► went through last week and yes there are options like the little kooky box that we found last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1591">TS</a>]
00:26:36 ◼ ► but I don't want to mess my set up a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1596">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► Maybe this is completely reasonable and I'm a weirdo but a lot of people wrote to me via Twitter and we're like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► Do you just leave your old Apple T.V. Execs it where it is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► I don't have to do that men don't like this is his thing where you can read you can use your old Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► As an airplay speaker for your new one. That's exactly what they're saying and I'm just like why. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► That seems so crazy to me that that's the best course of action is to leave this old Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1616">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► That I really will almost never use anymore. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► Leave that plugged in because that's the best scenario I'm not saying it's unreasonable for Apple to take away my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► optical connection which is the thing that I'm all upset about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:16 ◼ ► They probably did the right thing here it's probably silly to leave that optical connection on the new Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1636">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► and That's why they pulled it. So I'm not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:23 ◼ ► I hope I don't sound like one of those people that's like oh well they change that one thing I needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1643">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► and they're wrong no they're not wrong they're right on the one that's crazy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► But I'm crazy and I like having my optical connection so. In any case I'm sure I will get an Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:36 ◼ ► I'm sure it will be in twenty fifteen and we'll see if I end up paying for it myself or just getting it as a gift. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1656">TS</a>]
00:27:42 ◼ ► Stand strong with Sony Philips to google interface is L S P D I O Yeah yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1662">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► I didn't know that's what it stood for you ever see it written F. Last P.D.F. Yeah yeah I don't need Flash Phillips. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► I did not know that was the acronym there yakka sone in fellows they work together and also like the CD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1675">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► and all sorts of like to get a lot of those stuff and so they standardize this thing forever ago it's really old. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► And yes the Sony Phillips digital interface. Today I learned. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► Anyway so what we have to talk about with this are what do you guys have to think about with this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► I got I got my Apple T.V. Today actually. So I have unpacked it and set it up and bit of a hurry before the show. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:22 ◼ ► The Apple story was so I actually have some real world experience with this thing and I have to say after reading. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1702">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► Everybody stories and listening to what they had to say about the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► Specifically the set up experience I was prepared for the worst. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► Like I was repaired for like we do we you my Gratian level of nightmare that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:40 ◼ ► One of the things this thing does it know if they opened it as well and I remember is when you take out of the box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1720">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► and plug it in. It wants you to bring your i Phone near it and make sure Bluetooth is on your i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:51 ◼ ► And just hold it near the thing and it will sort of figure out what wife I network your phone is on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1731">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► And connect to the same life I network and use the same password and all that other stuff. So the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► Can get on the same network and. That part work for me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► I plug be able to be and I brought my phone over to I unlock my phone couple. Wait if a couple seconds. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► Tapped a little dialog box on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► and it found my network which doesn't really matter because I haven't plugged into you know anyway so I was seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:16 ◼ ► kind of a waste but anyway. That part worked. And then I. Some point I signed in with my Apple I.D. Password and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1756">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► I had to use a terrible keyboard that everybody hates which is not so much a keyboard as a key line. A through Z. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► And there's another row punctuation another row with switch to capital or lower case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► and by the way if you hold down the button on their mode you can get capital letters about having to switch from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► That is very painful to use I'm not entirely sure but some more painful than the old way where you had to hit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► Like because you have a swipe ipad you can swipe quickly from the left or the right and skip multiple letters. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:54 ◼ ► Instead of having to go. A B. C. D. E. Like you can go swipe one thing go be all way I'd like JR. Whatever. So I don't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1794">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► I think the touch pad is useful for that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► And I don't understand why they made a strip like there's not enough room on a screen to get the whole rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► screen there maybe maybe with the rest of the U.I. Apps it was better that way anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► Because I only had to undermine the ID. I had an inverter a couple times but not an obscene number of times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► It didn't seem that ridiculous to me. So I enter my Apple ID. I watch Netflix I had to sign with my Netflix ID. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► It's kind of a shame that it can get all this information from the previous Apple I.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► or From Michael key chain or from any other place that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:31 ◼ ► In the Apple ecosystem that is supposedly has secured storage of you know the password this seems like is the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1831">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► thing people were complaining about. I got asked about their passports too often. The passwords are hard to enter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► And if you haven't read these articles you may be wondering why they just use the I was remote app. That doesn't work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► Now. Yeah I was remote out does not work with a new album where he does not work yet and they get to make it work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► I don't know. Doesn't work now. So doesn't help you if you're setting up your Apple T.V. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► And that's a legit complaint like. It's a regression. From the old version of the product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1855">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► It's a pain to use any kind of on three. Screen keyboard. And the onscreen keyboard the have Seems pretty stupid. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► I find with a little swipe the remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► and down I don't know why it's not registering it just takes it if I'm going across like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► when I want to swipe down to the next row of things or something to the punctuation. It.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:19 ◼ ► Just doesn't you know I feel like it stuck a lot. You can also by the way if you have the new Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1879">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► You can tap on it like it's a deep had not pressed it always down to it physically clicks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:28 ◼ ► but just tap like touch the surface and zip it's a virtual D.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1888">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► Pad and that works as well in most places and as Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► There's a little bit of a learning curve I feel like would be able to get spent a while the remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► and try to discover all the possible. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► Sort of combinations where you click on the left side of the remote and click on the right side path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► and a left tap on the right swipe up slap down swipe from the top swiped from the bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► A surprising number of interesting inputs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:52 ◼ ► All hampered by the fact that remote is really too small an arc with a shaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1912">TS</a>]
00:31:56 ◼ ► and not the best thing in the world hold on to but always say that my sort of experience wasn't that bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1916">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► and I was mostly pleasantly surprised by the variety of ways that you can interface with the thing to speed it felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► faster to me to navigate around than my old Apple T.V. That could just because you didn't have to use I.R. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► and Bluetooth has less latency in that it could just be because it's much faster C.P.U. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► but it felt pretty good to me I maybe I was like primed to like with all the better views I was expecting the worst. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► But I gotta say I would much rather have this than my previous Apple T.V. and A that week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► Well that's that's a much more positive review than a lot of what I've heard I haven't read any To my recollection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► but I listen to this week's Talk Show with Jon and Guy English and he seems like that's it's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► but it's got a lot of problems. This week's upgrade. With with Jason snow and Mike Hurley and Joe Steel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► They were in various levels of frustrated to Furious I'd say. And I don't know which is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1975">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► I'm looking at it from an outsider's point of view in the sense that I don't have one I haven't done hours of research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► into the specifics of what it offers because really the only thing I care about the most part is plex. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:14 ◼ ► I just feel like I saw an inordinate amount of grumbling on Twitter and. And it seemed like everyone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/1994">TS</a>]
00:33:23 ◼ ► Everyone was really really grumbly about it and maybe that's my own biases that are surfacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2003">TS</a>]
00:33:28 ◼ ► and maybe it's not that bad but you know Jesse Charlier today was saying that that it's really a great device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2008">TS</a>]
00:33:33 ◼ ► and everyone's just being a bunch. And that very well could be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2013">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► But I don't from the outside it seem like with the watch really Several was like hey this is cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► You know it's got some issues but it's cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:43 ◼ ► And with this it seem like all man this is nothing but issues to almost everyone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2023">TS</a>]
00:33:48 ◼ ► Well I wouldn't say that I mean this is different. So we've all you know many of us.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2028">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► People who have been fans of the Apple T.V. So far we've been using the Apple T.V. For years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► And it's been pretty much the same like most of it has not really changed much at least since the introduction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► second gen one and a lot of it even began before that. It's you know it's been really the solid thing and... [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► Like for me the Apple T.V. Is by far the most common device that we use for the T.V. It is our T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► You know because we don't have cable or cable cutter heard those annoying people. We don't like the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► Is our everything. Like I have an Amazon Fire T.V. On the front T.V. I have a Roku on the back T.V. and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► We never actually switch to those for almost any purpose. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► Except the Amazon one will switch to to use Plaxo Farleigh Now I want you to do that anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:39 ◼ ► but the fact is it's different you know the remote. I think has some issues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2079">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► It is it is unquestionably more capable in general and you know it can do more things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► And some of the big ones obviously are Syrian volume control. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► But it also you know if there it has a call Robin or is it has the touch pad which can be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► You know more more different levels of input or more different kinds or Dereck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2097">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► Of input then just a very clear Deepak could be. But I do feel like. In my opinion. It is a step back from a deep had. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► In general. Usability of the things we've used the T.V. For so far. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► So who knows where the absence of will go in the future. You know we don't we don't know that yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:21 ◼ ► Time will tell whether absolute take advantage of of it being a touchpad not just a directional control. But today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2121">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► Using the Apple T.V. The way you've always used it before. It feels very imprecise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► And one of the problems with the key line. Text input. And we are typing these amounts on this keyboard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► There's a high cost to miss typing anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:44 ◼ ► Because you have to like you know then go find the delete key or if you hold it down as one of the hold down menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2144">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► but it's kind of hard to do and especially if you're new to the control. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► So you need to be very precise on that keyboard because the cost of making an error is annoying. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2153">TS</a>]
00:36:00 ◼ ► But that's the first thing you really need to do in terms of his type in your password a few times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2160">TS</a>]
00:36:06 ◼ ► And that is the time when you have the least experience with the new remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2166">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► So your very first interaction with the thing is set up to make you basically hate the remote I hate inputting text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:16 ◼ ► and I who knows what they can do what they could've done to fix that I think obviously better integration with with an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2176">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► i Phone to use the i Phone keyboard like the old remote Apted would have been nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:27 ◼ ► I hope they do something that in the future. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2187">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► It's not there now and that is unfortunate but for me so far like like when you pick up the remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:36 ◼ ► Let's say there but falls in the couch. You pick it up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2196">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► It is incredibly hard to pick it up without accidentally seeking the video that you're in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:45 ◼ ► Because you pick it up and if you if your finger brushes that touch pad area at all. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2205">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► You seek the video they're watching. And so there's little issues like that of like accidental input. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► These issues with the key line and navigation of just imprecision. Because it's a touch pad like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2215">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► Honestly if they made this remote. With a regular Up down left right deep had kind of buttons like the old one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► As an option in that top area instead of the touchpad. I would choose that option. No question. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► And maybe a get maybe in the future. If ab start really needing to touch pad and taking good advantage of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► That might change but right now. I think everything with the new remote.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► That that you think of as things you do on an Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► Things like navigating things like Netflix and night and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:29 ◼ ► Those kind of things in my opinion are made worse by the touch pad not better. Have you tried to use your old Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2249">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► Remotes. With the new Apple T.V. Because my understanding is it does have an R. Receiver and that does work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► Yeah you can. Yeah and. Which is nice because like we have a universal logic tech harmony thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► And so that can control it also because it works. It'll accept the old kind of input from all the older modes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► So that's nice but then you don't have things like Siri. Kind of miss out on some of the new features so again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► Time will tell how this all shakes out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2277">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► Chances are we're probably August and get used to it and it will probably blow over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:04 ◼ ► But I don't think that takes away from that there are downside you know it's very similar in so many ways. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2284">TS</a>]
00:38:10 ◼ ► Very similar to the force to extract pad which I finally got to try the full size one. Yesterday an app store. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2290">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► And I actually was about as I expected it and neither was the keyboard. Actually at the keyboard but in the trackpad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:21 ◼ ► And if that's the future keyboard of Apple laptop which I assume it will be. Then it's on that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2301">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► And the trackpad all the force touch stuff it's always like almost good enough. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► But in my opinion has said many times before it's. It's not quite there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► So it is kind of a step backwards in reliability and pursuit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► and I think the touch feel sucks on the force extract that and the full sized one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► No different from all the different settings in the App Store. It feels in my opinion the click feels awful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► Even worse in laptops I think it's a horrible feeling click. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:50 ◼ ► But they've made this thing you know thinner more advanced more complicated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2330">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► And they've achieved something that is almost as good as the old one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► I think that's probably what's going to happen with the touch pad remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► That they they've added always keep abilities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:03 ◼ ► By making it a text that even that isn't for stock in our computers too but they've added to keep billets by making it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2343">TS</a>]
00:39:09 ◼ ► You know a touch pad instead of just up down left right buttons. But the basics of like you're operating this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2349">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► Imprecisely. Often in the dark. Often without looking at it. It's less reliable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► And that I think is is always going to have a baseline level of slight frustration for a lot of people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► And more frustration for geeks like me who are very picky about such things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:34 ◼ ► Even though it will offer us more capabilities. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2374">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► You know on the previous shows I complained about all the things that are still wrong with throughout before I had laid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:40 ◼ ► eyes on it are before I touched it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2380">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► That's also true it shouldn't be shaped the way it is it's way too small it's not it's not made for to be easy to grip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► Mark of took elect about accidentally touching the touch pad it symmetrical more or less it symmetrical. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► You know as a buttons are kind of in the middle. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► So you can even feel your way to which way is the right way to pick it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► and if you try to feel which side is right by perhaps feeling the different texture of the Touch Pad nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► If you happen to feel around and it's touch bedside yeah you're going to move the video. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► All that stuff the stupid it shouldn't be shaped like this it should be bigger it should be something that eggnog is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:15 ◼ ► that people are going to grab it with their hands the button should be different sizes and shapes and textures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2415">TS</a>]
00:40:19 ◼ ► and positions and all that is true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2419">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► But specifically on the issue of the Touch Pad versus that a bad thing like that I have trouble. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:27 ◼ ► I don't understand why this is maybe just because of the way moving my thumb I have trouble doing up down left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2427">TS</a>]
00:40:31 ◼ ► and right I can mostly get it to do it every time but up down have a little trouble. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2431">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► But here's the here's the reason I think it's better than the pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► Are better than the previous album Alyssa first thing. Piers Albert did not have a deep pad in the Nintendo sent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► And I hated that I could never feel my way towards what was exactly up and left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► and downright And yes if you like well you're feeling the edges of the remote don't you know that left is perpendicular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► and right as you know it like very often it just didn't feel security as an actual deep had risen to the ranks will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2455">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► peasants across the cross it piece of plastic you can feel. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► Where the left for the right as long as you make that you had big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► and like the stupid tiny one in the Game Cube controller which was impossible to tell us your action you're pressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:11 ◼ ► even though it was across anyway. I didn't like that circle. But setting that aside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2471">TS</a>]
00:41:17 ◼ ► Even if you're comparing it to a full size good deep had the most important thing is this this Touch Pad has despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2477">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► the fact that they're not as the wrong shape despite the fact that kind of hard to like a reach to the touch pad area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► Over all the buttons and everything and safely and safely get to it without actually swiping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► when you pick it up the most important thing in houses. Gets you out of the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► The nightmare realm of controlling anything on your television which used to be right up on Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► and On your actual television and I never use the roguery most writing I got so I don't know what they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► but for the longest time doing any television. All you had was button presses. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► And so any time you were faced with anything that had a lot of stuff on the screen. And you wanted to go through it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► But you wanted to be able to select any one of those things whether it's letters in the alphabet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► List items in a big list or anything like that you don't have to go. Next next next next next. Right right. Up up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► DOWN DOWN LEFT LEFT FOR YOU do the contra code try to get to the thing that you want your screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:12 ◼ ► You never had a way to go more than one thing. And so. Yeah on the Tivo they did smart things like hate on this menu. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2532">TS</a>]
00:42:19 ◼ ► It's such a pain to go. You know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2539">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► Through the whole the use channel up and challenge down to go page at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► but even that was like discrete it's discrete versus continuous having a touchpad having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► and adding a little bit of momentum is incredibly freeing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:31 ◼ ► Because if you see something that's at the very top of the very left a very right you can flick over to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2551">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► and yes not going to be precise. But it's so much better than having to to go. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► One two three four five six seven one two three five one two three four five six seven. Mentally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:44 ◼ ► Even if not speed wise even if you were to stop watching me I was actually slower. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2564">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► Mentally speaking it feels better to me not to be stuck in this like hateful game of Frogger across the road. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► Are you going to hop hop hop hop hop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► Now the touchpad the chose to do it on the shape of the touchpad the fact that like bends down the fact the whole top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► of the remote is made of glass. The feel of the physical click and everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:05 ◼ ► All that is bad but I'm here to defend the concept of finally divorcing the television from a discrete single step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2585">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► or a single page of a time interface because you finally have more. Just buttons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► And the sort of advance things that I was talking about market you should try this it doesn't help with the accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:23 ◼ ► swiping for a scrubbing is all terrible. But use it like at the pet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2603">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► Don't try to do the swiping Eventually I gave up on getting my thumb to correctly so I pop in down to get the to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► apple tree to register it. Just use it as if it's the pen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:36 ◼ ► I like it because you don't have to press always down to really don't like that click like trying to play cross your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2616">TS</a>]
00:43:40 ◼ ► own speaking of on the thing. Or out those adventure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2620">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► I didn't like having to press down all Rick I wish these game developers had accepted attachments that have a quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:48 ◼ ► because I don't like hearing that it's pretty noisy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2628">TS</a>]
00:43:51 ◼ ► and it doesn't feel good doesn't feel good as a game controller at all to feel flag and it doesn't you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2631">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► I don't like it but I just touch the touch pad of the left or go left. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2636">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► Touch a touch pad on the right to go right touch that top of the touch pad to go up touch the bottom of the touch pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► to go down. Don't click it just touch it. If you. If you want to go. I rather go right right right down down down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► You can do that much faster if you don't have to actually physically depress the button. So I am pro. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► Having something I can swipe to navigate. And I am pro having something that registers my touch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► The particular implementation on this remote is not ideal but I would still rather use this remote than the old one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► But it's a big enough when that I would never like because you know I still have my regular Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► Remote with a circle on it which I never use. I would never thought that for this one. And I probably wouldn't swap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► The T.V. or That I was using with my old Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► With this one because that you know like Marcus said you're missing a serious button but even just I just I just enjoy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:54 ◼ ► Not being in the business of hitting a button repeatedly to go. An integer number of screen items. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2694">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► I can't wait for all the tweets and e-mails you get about the Konami code being referred to as the contract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► and now that's a valid alternate name for it and the oh yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2708">TS</a>]
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00:45:48 ◼ ► would say. Personally I've used these things I would say they're very comparable to Gillette Fusion blades. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2748">TS</a>]
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00:46:05 ◼ ► But they're only two dollars each or less per cartridge show an eight pack. Ages fifteen bucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:10 ◼ ► A sixteen pack is twenty five bucks. Now. Usually Jill if you can believe that I would say the most comparable. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2770">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► They run. About four bucks each maybe three fifty if you're lucky. So for example. You let fusion blades. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:22 ◼ ► A twelve pack of fusions today is forty five dollars twelve pack of Harry's blades is only twenty dollars less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2782">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► half the price. Really I've been a huge shaving art in the past I'm a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► I know all about things like the safety reason everything. I have tried everything out there really for shaving and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:39 ◼ ► Harry's is the best value in the entire business. Bar none I say that. Unquestionably best value in the business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2799">TS</a>]
00:46:46 ◼ ► Plus they're designed early classier sites really easy to use. You go in order whatever you want free shipping. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2806">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► It is really a great deal. They're also participating in Movember Ember is this kind of like charity. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► Cancer money raising effort. And here is the official blade partner of Movember so check that out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:05 ◼ ► They have a special November set for your twenty bucks yet you this nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2825">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► Classy looking handle and everything shave cream. Blade those who always kind of stuff. So it's very very nice. Now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► You can get started today. With a set again. Just fifteen bucks for handle three blades and shaving cream. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► That includes shipping straight to your door and even better. If you go to Harry's dot com and use the promo code. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► A.T.P. Will say five dollars off your first purchase. Check out Harry's really I would say. Again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► The best value initiating business bar none. Harry's dot com Use from a quote A.T.P. Thanks a lot. All right.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► So any other thoughts on the Apple T.V. I do have more. So many thoughts or an hour of using this thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► I'm surprised a lot of people have asked me about the video scrapping I've talked about my anger with how videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► covering works in most television. Attach devices and these days. Also with many things that are in web pages or. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2873">TS</a>]
00:48:02 ◼ ► I have heard a lot of the reports about the able to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2882">TS</a>]
00:48:04 ◼ ► and how you say they all seem to be true I describe exactly the way I wanted it always wanted to be done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2884">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► And this is another instance where the little swipe you Pad comes in handy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► One of the worst things about video scrubbing with with if you just have buttons. Is you know like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:21 ◼ ► If you go to the end of the movie or like was a scene in the middle I want to look at the thing again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2901">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► All you can do is perhaps. Press the you know. Rewind button multiple times to go like one X.P. Ten X.P. Twenty X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► Speed and it's going really fast and you have to hit the pause button so you don't overshoot it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► or you try to slow it down like. It's difficult to drive the little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:41 ◼ ► The play head and that way with the series of buttons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2921">TS</a>]
00:48:45 ◼ ► And the other difficulty have a complaint about as if you want to go to the middle of the thing or jump back. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2925">TS</a>]
00:48:49 ◼ ► Half an hour or something like that very often. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2929">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► Attempting to navigate it all just causes the holding to freeze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► and essentially do the television app equivalent of beach ball where it's trying to load the video where the thumbnail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2936">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► or want to show you a frame of video you like just go to thirty minutes then you feel like you know you wish you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:06 ◼ ► have somebody who can just type three zero colons zero zero go through that offset now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2946">TS</a>]
00:49:11 ◼ ► Don't do anything else don't try to show me the video sliding past. I don't care what you do.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2951">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► I just want you to move that little play had thirty minutes. And the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► At least playing like all the things that I tried most of like television shows movies from i Tunes Maybe it's up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► other apps to do the same thing I think I try to be zero and Showtime and Netflix is only thing to do similarly well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► but anyway. Certainly for the apple things. While you're playing as Mark A found out. If you swipe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:36 ◼ ► The little touch pad. It moves the play head. And it moves the play had no matter what immediately. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2976">TS</a>]
00:49:42 ◼ ► If it has been to you to show you it will change a little thumbnails and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2982">TS</a>]
00:49:46 ◼ ► If it doesn't have video to show you the thumbnail be whatever the last frame was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2986">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► But it moves the play had it does not wait. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► Does not beach ball it just goes where you wanted it shows you the time offset. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► And it is a glorious like finally finally I understood that that is the most important thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:01 ◼ ► Although stuff I don't care like if you can do it fine as I did I loaded like a an episode of Legend of Korra something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3001">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► to get all the you know a small episode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:08 ◼ ► So it had all the things that will show you live thumbnails as you Scott Brown if you can but if you can't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3008">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► It always prioritizes moving them now and then when you hit the button to play from the position. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► Maybe takes a little while for to get the video and start playing in that position to find whatever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► When you're watching. You can tap. You can click the left side of the touch pad. There's another good U.I. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► Type thing if you rest your thumb on the left side of the touch pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► It puts a little ten second rewind icon on the screen letting you know hey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:37 ◼ ► If you were to press here we go back ten seconds you haven't actually done the back ten seconds yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3037">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► and same thing if you would just lay your thumb on the right side of the Touch Pad It says that you can go forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► thirty. I wish those numbers are adjustable not sure of they are but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► If you tap about and you can go forward and back thirty seconds of course we've all seen the cool Siri demos of. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► What did he say and then it goes back. Some amount of seconds. Turns on subtitles. Shows you what you just saw. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► And then turns the dials off automatically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► Which I think is a very clever feature The only difficulty is if you miss an entire conversation I don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:06 ◼ ► pick how far to go back I don't know how it takes one to turn the subtitles off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3066">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► They had to make a compromise there it seems like a reasonable compromise but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► You can swipe down from the top to pull the menu item down to turn on off subtitles another thing that was a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► annoying to do if you didn't know the secret shortcuts of the old Apple T.V. You can fast forward and rewind scan. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:27 ◼ ► Fast sort rewind scanning as like a Playstation three is where you have from like one point five X.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3087">TS</a>]
00:51:32 ◼ ► With pitch adjusted audio still playing. To all wept like one hundred twenty X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3092">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► The reason for a hidden three needs a hundred twenty X.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► Is because it doesn't have flicks scrubbing through the whole thing. That's not a problem the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► I go right to the middle of something or right to the end or right to three quarters through. Very easily. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► Whereas in the Play Station I would have to go to one twenty X. Mode and move over to it ever but anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► Big thumbs up on the video scrubbing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:54 ◼ ► They finally did it right as far as I can tell if applications do it wrong I will least know that it is not the fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3114">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► of the hardware or the O.-S. Is only the fault of the people in pointing those applications. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► Not doing it the way Apple does it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:07 ◼ ► I'm impressed I really thought you were going to find something to dislike about this but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3127">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► Sounds like we're going to go. That's excellent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:14 ◼ ► No I mean really I've heard only I haven't done much video scrubbing with it myself because I'm not much of a scrubber. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3134">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► But I've heard only great things about it from people who care more about these things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► or use it more than I do like John. I mean I I think that is one thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► Almost everybody has agreed that this had a process can be very bumpy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► With the with the number of times you have to enter passwords on that terrible key line. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► But almost everyone also agrees that the video seeking behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► and all that whole engine that is that is in there is incredibly good. And also I mean this is. This is just a. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► It's just good hardware. You know this has the eight has two gigs of RAM it's fast. I am optimistic. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:55 ◼ ► For the future of this platform. Just because of what everyone else is going to do with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3175">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► You know what Apple does that is still a big question mark. And Apple stuff recently has been inconsistent. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:05 ◼ ► I would say you know like some stuff. They nail pretty well some stuff is pretty half baked even. Well after launch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3185">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► So Apple stuff I think will be less consistent but. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► Third party stuff I think there's a lot here to do that there's a lot of hardware to use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► There's you know we'll talk about gaming in a second be after the next Ponce or break as there's lots about here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► But I do think a lot of potential here for developers I mean I did start. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► I don't know if I'm going to actually finish and release. Such a thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:35 ◼ ► But I did actually start porting overcast to it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3215">TS</a>]
00:53:39 ◼ ► Just to see like you know how much work will this take Do I have to really make a lot of special cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3219">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► or do it doesn't the is going to need a whole lot of work to do or will it need relatively little. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► And so I'm playing with the S.T.K. and Playing with the hardware a little bit and. It is of really really nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► Challenges are going to certainly be there but it is really nice to develop for because it is basically I.O.'s. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3236">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► Minus some stuff. But it is very most of us is there. And the hardware is very capable and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► This is the you know this is the baseline and in five years from now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► Developers will be complaining they have to go go all the way back and support the eight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:18 ◼ ► But right now a new hardware line where the eight is the minimum is pretty nice. Because you can do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3258">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► And also it has A C. Power. So you can be as power inefficient as you want. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► So you can do things that really crank that C.P.U. Hard. So it is going to be a really really nice. Developer platform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► I do have concerns about whether it will be worth. Developers doing a lot for it so soon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:45 ◼ ► And that I think arrange to be seen. Yeah. The app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3285">TS</a>]
00:54:48 ◼ ► I'm going to be apps that are first thing to you know I was surprised when you load the thing up. Like it looks empty.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3288">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► Like where all the icons because the old Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► It would start off with like tons of icons on your screen and new icons would appear whether you wanted them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► or not you got to turn on like the. Whatever the parental controls to make them disappear and stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► This thing comes out and there's the apple icons for the Apple stuff. And settings and search and I sit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► Saw immediately the first op is always I gotta go and Netflix H.B.O. Showtime. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► You know all the other different apps that it. And I wanted to get those and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► You know I I don't know if this is just the top list or whatever but on the first screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► First screen or screen or two in the App Store. Was all the things I wanted. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► I got you know how does it venture across the road Netflix H.B.O. Show done F.X. US A.B.C. N.B.C. C.B.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:36 ◼ ► Like they're all there. The sort of base to restore my Apple T.V. To its previous level of functionality. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3336">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► Including all the apps that actually or the user the kids use. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:46 ◼ ► Was pretty easy to do when I went to download this I think this is the second time asking for my Apple ID password [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3346">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► and asked me Do you want to have to enter that like you want to do this every time you make a purchase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:59 ◼ ► and I said no because I really don't want to enter it. Every time I make a purchase. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3359">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► I accidently click the Yes on that because I I just miss use the trackpad it was another one of my many errors. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► When I go get around settings entered again and. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► And I'm a little bit wary about that because I mean really it should have integration with Touch ID really they're much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► have a Touch ID sensor on the last so many gimmies here that's by the way. With the negativity about this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► All the people complain about a set up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:26 ◼ ► and it's like it's feels like an unforced error was like come on Apple you know how to do this is not your first Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3386">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► You have you have a name brand technologies across your whole product line that solve all of these problems you had an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► existing I was at that work with the old one that gave you keyboard you've got touch I do you've got i Cloud key chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► you've got all you've got. You know I cloud photo library. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► You've got all these things they're all just sitting there and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► That's why I feel so bad it's like this set up experience is worse than the apple norm for what seems like no good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► reason the theories I've heard think I can smell feel this area like that the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► Was actually done a long time ago and wasn't launched because the they're waiting for the content deals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► and actually decide Welp content deal. Schuman tent deal. We're shipping head. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:07 ◼ ► And so that's why it doesn't have support for technologies and things that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3427">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► That are old hat as far as we're concerned but they weren't all that when this work was actually done on the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► Team and of the Apple T.V. Team was more or less disbanded incentive do other things while the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► Just stood there I don't know if there's any truth behind that that's what it feels like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:24 ◼ ► So that's why people are complaining because it can be really bad Likewise for Jason where he's got except the ten new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3444">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► and you got do that on his back in your entering your stupid long password a million times with a terrible keyboard. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► And you the whole time you just grumbling was all a G.'s the i OS app. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► That is all terrible and that's definitely worthy of complaining about. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► But if you power through that crap kind of like I powered through that stuff with my we you. To we transfer. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► Experience. You can't the other side you're left with a product that I think is clearly better than the old Apple T.V.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► In many many ways and that shows promise and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:57 ◼ ► and the promise rostering to like talk about I love the fact that there's a touch pad their remote I hate pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3477">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► everything else about their not like I would like a good remote. With a touch pad and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:05 ◼ ► One of the thing I would throw with a touch pad on the remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3485">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► When you go to the apps which are which by the way people might not know it's there you double tap the home button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► which looks like a big picture of a T.V. and Your remote will bring up. And I was like App So if you're rich. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► That shows all your apps like kind of the old stop such a guy was a tab so if your shows each screen next to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:24 ◼ ► when you go between them. You have to basically do the equivalent of a deep had input. Swipe so I pour tap tap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3504">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► I would love it if I could touch my phone to the touch pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:36 ◼ ► And as I move my thumb things move on the screen tracking my thumb. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3516">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► You know what I mean like in other words more like an i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► Scrolling type thing where you can flick but if you flip your flicking like you're flicking the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► and I was as opposed to what this thing was like it's doing is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► I'm waiting to get a gesture that I interpret as go left one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:52 ◼ ► And it's not quite that you can swipe past more than one of the time I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3532">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► but anyway I just feel a bit off to me a lot of that is because the Touch Pad is too darn small. But anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3535">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► You know a lot of negativity about the sort of process. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► All which I agree with all which should be complained about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:06 ◼ ► and all of which were just really angry at Apple because they just seem like unforced errors. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3546">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► I mean once you have it set up it seems like a pretty nice device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► But again we know we're all having this right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► and there's going be a lot of people who are getting this this holiday season as they get their their first.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► You have a T.V. Possibly their first Apple T.V. Ever. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:24 ◼ ► And I do think that it seems like they rushed it out to make this holiday season. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3564">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► But it doesn't seem like it's ready like there's so many little exceptions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:35 ◼ ► It really does seem like it could be used to explore months of polish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3575">TS</a>]
00:59:40 ◼ ► It's not like the features that are there aren't polish they just aren't there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3580">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► Like why the hell can you not enter text on my phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► Like that's not a Polish right that's just a just a plain feature thing. And the other. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► Maybe I think you could says Pa If you make it because Apple recently updated the terms and conditions for the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:58 ◼ ► If you haven't agreed to those or if your credit card is expired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3598">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► or you have have to enter your credit card code again or something anything involving purchasing from Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► The television doesn't have a way to do it for you to fix that apparently you have to go back to your mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:13 ◼ ► and try to do it in i Tunes which feels really weird kind of the same thing with those not Apple's fault entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3613">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► but like activating the H.B.O. Go app if you're a subscriber to H.B.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:24 ◼ ► Like I am they all have a thing that has like I'll go to your web browser and go to H.B.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3624">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► Doda com slash activate and enter this six letter code and. If you're out and you go to H.B.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:32 ◼ ► Go website and wants you to log in with your cable providers. A log and print credentials in a possible little I frame. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3632">TS</a>]
01:00:38 ◼ ► And now you have of Arisan I framed inside H.B.O. Go which is all try to get your Apple T.V. To work and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3638">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► That is all gross and. It's going to confuse many a person. On Christmas morning. Or whenever. During the holidays. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► There's only so much Apple can do to fix that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:55 ◼ ► but surely Apple can fix the equivalent of those experiences in its own ecosystem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3655">TS</a>]
01:00:59 ◼ ► And so that maybe is an area of Polish But yeah just like I feel like if this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3659">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► The story of them having it done and then disbanding the team waiting for content deals. If nothing remotely true. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► That's silly because they just a left those people on and said. Just maintain the think keep pace. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:17 ◼ ► And so introduce a new technology or new thing. Make sure it's integrated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3677">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► And by the way while you're there find those corner cases for the people who haven't agreed to interact in terms of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► live without in the in the thing or whatever. I mean if I had to guess I'm guessing that the biggest reason why this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► Why is there so many rough edges around. Entering your password logging into the store different story issues. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► Is because this crosses departments with an apple. This goes like you know from the engineering department. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► Into the queue lead store infrastructure. Area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► Right and so that that crossing those crossing those lines has always been very messy in the product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► That's always where people had a lot of issues and errors and bad user experiences and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3715">TS</a>]
01:02:00 ◼ ► I've heard so many things from various people inside and outside of Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3720">TS</a>]
01:02:05 ◼ ► Some of which conflict but most of which tend to agree. Any time the other teams need something from the store team. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3725">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► It's hard to get or it's a problem in some way or it takes too long or something. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:18 ◼ ► There seems to be a lot of friction there. And I don't know whose fault it is it doesn't matter. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3738">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► The result is that when we when the products reach us the consumers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► We see that friction in the same way that like it as Microsoft is so famous for in fighting back in the day I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► know how bad it is now but back in the day they were famous for it. But between Windows and Office and a lot of times. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► Those in fights would would affect customers negatively and really affect the whole company negatively as a result. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► She that an apple in the way that the software products have to interact with the store backend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:50 ◼ ► and anything that uses the store back and again. Who knows there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3770">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► I'm sure there are lots of smart people working on that. But whatever the cause. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► Things that need to interact with that tend to work worse than the rest of the stack. And the Apple T.V. As a product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:05 ◼ ► Depends so heavily on the store back end. That I think that is really causing a lot of this friction and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3785">TS</a>]
01:03:14 ◼ ► And there might be tons of well meaning teams and people inside of Apple who are trying to fix this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3794">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► But even simply through the way these teams are organized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► and divided between each other it just might be really hard to do and just. Therefore just doesn't happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► Doesn't happen well enough in practice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► Auspex of the story there it just seems to be the a things that have to do with like account management. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► For example once I entered my password and I was downloading all those apps. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► Of I tapped the little installer get icon I don't know why I sometimes had installs and I was a get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:42 ◼ ► or whatever anyway I downloaded really fast. Like I was just basically going through. Tap tap tap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3822">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► Like it felt fast a little circle progress and together. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► and all the maybe they're all tiny apps because they're all T V M L And they're just kind of all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► but everything about that felt fast. And yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:58 ◼ ► When you had to deal with anything having to do with hey am I signed into my account. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3838">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► Have I done any sort of administrative bookkeeping stuff related to my counter need to enter the little three did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:07 ◼ ► come from the back of my credit card again. There you want to do that in here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3847">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► All that just felt like it was lacking and I just punted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► and said Well the seventeen other ways for you to do that you can't do that on your happened heavey. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► We're just going to throw up something from your face and says Go do this someplace else and then come back here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:21 ◼ ► and everything will work and you even with the weird sign and stuff like going to the H.B.O. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3861">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► Thing and signing on through Verizon and all of the stuff. It's like OK well. Your device is activated now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► Go back to your T.V. and It should be activated and I always walk into the next room to go back to my T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► Dreading the fact that I'm going to look at the Wii and if there's going to be sitting there saying please sign. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► You know like that or want that the dots won't connect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► If that happens like what the hell do you do you just go back and try to go but every time I did it actually worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► and maybe I just lucked out on it but that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► That is not a seamless experience dealing with Apple's own story so not a seamless experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► but some aspects of it are good the video downloads fast apps download fast apps launch fast. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3895">TS</a>]
01:05:01 ◼ ► If this thing feels faster than my Tivo which is ridiculous considering my Tivo cost like five times as much literally. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3901">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► But it feels faster and things. Everything about it like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► I can kind of tell that it has two gigs of RAM because I like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► I want to the apps which I went back to a game that I had played like a half an hour ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► when the game was still in memory sitting in on the place where I left off. That is a sort of premium quality T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► It's all good but you have just embarrassing the set up stuff is just embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► and I still think the remote is kind of embarrassing because I can't imagine. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► Like maybe people will eventually come to appreciate what I was just describing the swiping as versus the tapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:41 ◼ ► but that may be more just a personal thing where I hate waiting for the machine to do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3941">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► and I hate the fact that I have to I know I'm going to have to be pressing release this little rubberized button to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► have to operate a mechanical switch seven times the of the seventh item. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► That probably doesn't annoy other people's much of that annoys me in fact other people probably feel more comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► feeling that physical quick seven times to get from place to place so I don't think they're going to pick up on those. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► The things that appeal to me rather remote may not be the things that the all the other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3967">TS</a>]
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01:06:16 ◼ ► It's doesn't feel good it doesn't look good it doesn't light up it's not easy to find a fall down couch cushions. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3976">TS</a>]
01:06:21 ◼ ► If you dig for your next only scrubby video be pissed off. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/3981">TS</a>]
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01:08:30 ◼ ► So let's let's talk about Apple T.V. Gaming. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► Wow that was a long I was a long pause So John I'm assuming that your gaming experience has been has been limited in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:41 ◼ ► Well here's what I plan to play Cross hero to put out of the adventure to games I've already it was already familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4121">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► I thought cross the road was what I thought all those adventure was the best test because it only has one button module [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► Oh the wingsuit activation and some other stuff but for the most part. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► and that's that's why I said before that I think of is the the remote isn't like that touch pad that you press it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:07 ◼ ► actually would have actually been like it bends that. To videos down. That's not a good. Button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4147">TS</a>]
01:09:13 ◼ ► Like if that's going to be the main button you press like to start to during a flipper jump or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4153">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► and all those adventure. It just doesn't feel good as a button does not feel like a controller button. It is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:23 ◼ ► I mean it's big it's easy to find it's not like you know it's good to be the primary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4163">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► but it's just not just feel good it's a pretty loud click it feels more like. I don't know what it feels like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► Maybe maybe cooking a mouse button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:36 ◼ ► It's as if every time you want to make Mario jump you click an old style mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4176">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► but it just doesn't doesn't feel like an A but an essential a right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► Yeah and the Seems like a lot of travel on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:47 ◼ ► and it just it feels kind of like there's a little bit of what I know there probably isn't lag I don't know what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4187">TS</a>]
01:09:52 ◼ ► feeling maybe I'm feeling like the fact that my thumb has to go through a lot of travel I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4192">TS</a>]
01:09:57 ◼ ► I've I've spent a lot of time using all sorts of controllers Miss A doesn't feel like a controller and B. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4197">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► Doesn't feel good. Which is kind of a shame. That's why I was wishing like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► If they just did Tapper ever cross your road. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:09 ◼ ► Similar across the road I feel like a little bit better has kind of more deliberate I guess we're going to hop hop hop. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4209">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► And then cross road of course you have to do the sideswipe on the upside to do the directional changes and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:19 ◼ ► I found that the directional changes frustratingly inaccurate in the I.R.S. Games where you swiping on the screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4219">TS</a>]
01:10:25 ◼ ► I don't know if it's because I'm trying to help playing sax on you guys don't remember that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4225">TS</a>]
01:10:29 ◼ ► but it was sort of isometric view of a game where I could never quiet my. My hand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4229">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► I coordinate connection could never cry to get on the same page in terms that OK so I my in my pressing up to the left. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► Like northwest. To try to make my Zaxxon shift go. Left in ship space or and live pressing directly west. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► Like is it is a relative or absolute control from the perspective of the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► or from the perspective I'm looking at the screen is very often across the road I will swipe. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► What looks like left along the ground but it wants me to swipe left. With respect to the screen anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:06 ◼ ► Those problem seemed less than somewhat by using the swipe your MO for television I don't know why I did like on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4266">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► and cross the road I hadn't played in a very long time I did really well with a television so I guess the controls game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► but the button is still pretty terrible performance wise it performs like it I hate so you know those games are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► The games launch fast they they want faster on a lot of our eye with devices because I don't have many I was devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:30 ◼ ► that are as fast as an eight and house. I can't imagine playing a quote unquote. Real console game. With that remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4290">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► I don't even like playing with that with that we remote sideways. And that has a real be bad on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:44 ◼ ► So I don't know if gaming was the kids seem interested in the because they play a lot of Iowa's games they're excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4304">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► to play them on T.V. We play to play across your own that was a little fun twist as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:55 ◼ ► I don't know if I'll do a lot of gaming on it I guess it depends on what games come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4315">TS</a>]
01:12:00 ◼ ► but I know I'll be more inclined to to take it seriously as a gaming device for my game you need. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4320">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► If it had but we know Mark already bought which is a third party control looks like a console controller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► Yes So about the controller. I haven't used it yet it's. It's charging up on my desk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► And I'm probably going to try to out tomorrow night. But. It feels. You know it's fifty bucks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:23 ◼ ► Which I guess is in the round one is like a P S four controller cause like forty. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4343">TS</a>]
01:12:27 ◼ ► There are more expensive than you think. Right. Fifty boxes. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4347">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► Is reasonable a reasonable price is this what you should say what make a model that says it's the Steelcase Nimbus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► which is the only one so far I think it might be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:39 ◼ ► You can use any I think you use any made for i Phone controller with it. OK. So anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4359">TS</a>]
01:12:44 ◼ ► It's not a great feeling controller I will see how it how it goes in practice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4364">TS</a>]
01:12:47 ◼ ► but just like pushing the buttons of without being pleasant anything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4367">TS</a>]
01:12:51 ◼ ► The Deep had does not feel very good the buttons don't feel very good it feels kind of like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4371">TS</a>]
01:12:57 ◼ ► You know like back in the day. I don't know I don't know what the current market for these things would be. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4377">TS</a>]
01:13:02 ◼ ► But back when I had a Sega Genesis growing up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4382">TS</a>]
01:13:05 ◼ ► You occasionally be at a friend's house where they didn't want to spend the full twelve dollars to get the name brand. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4385">TS</a>]
01:13:12 ◼ ► Sega controller as their player to controller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4392">TS</a>]
01:13:15 ◼ ► So you'd be Player two and you'd have like the like not the twelve darn nice one but the seven dollar crappy one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4395">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► And it was like a third party kind of cheap knockoff tried to be as good as the real say go on but never was. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:29 ◼ ► This feels like one of those like compared to the other you compared to like you know real Sony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4409">TS</a>]
01:13:35 ◼ ► or Microsoft controllers or Nintendo controllers that are actually good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4415">TS</a>]
01:13:39 ◼ ► This just feels like a third party knockoff kind of control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4419">TS</a>]
01:13:43 ◼ ► and doesn't it doesn't feel like terrible it just doesn't feel good. So all that aside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4423">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► There was a great article I put it like in the should I say I want to bring up those great article on polygon. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:55 ◼ ► Today I think that came out. That was all about like you know like one of the best games in Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4435">TS</a>]
01:13:59 ◼ ► and and It talks about like you know how many of them actually change noticeably. If you're using this controller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4439">TS</a>]
01:14:05 ◼ ► Versus just using the. The Syria mode. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4445">TS</a>]
01:14:08 ◼ ► And like Rain Man like it becomes like a lot of the INS like it like in Rain Man A Give the case where apparently. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4448">TS</a>]
01:14:14 ◼ ► Normally if you just use the Apple T.V. Remote. The player can just runs fix be in your control and jumping in stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4454">TS</a>]
01:14:22 ◼ ► And if you plug into controller that you can you have full control over the player. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4462">TS</a>]
01:14:26 ◼ ► So it's like the games change in pretty substantial ways. If you use one of these controllers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4466">TS</a>]
01:14:31 ◼ ► But in general I think there's going to be two main problems that this faces number one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4471">TS</a>]
01:14:39 ◼ ► These aren't going to be triple A quality games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4479">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► Just because the economics are not going to work out for people for a while if ever. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:48 ◼ ► and they were talked about I'm pretty sure is shovelware like that is that as a high profiled multi-platform console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4488">TS</a>]
01:14:54 ◼ ► game that they ported to i OS and now Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4494">TS</a>]
01:14:56 ◼ ► If it's again it's Rayman Legends right frame and something I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4496">TS</a>]
01:15:00 ◼ ► I'm played in but it doesn't matter so there's there's going to be obvious lot of shovelware from. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4500">TS</a>]
01:15:05 ◼ ► I Pad and i Phone games of course because it is easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4505">TS</a>]
01:15:08 ◼ ► but you know so there's going to be issues of like you know the games are going to be that great. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4508">TS</a>]
01:15:13 ◼ ► From from just like the the budget perspective. Because they're not going to make that much money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4513">TS</a>]
01:15:19 ◼ ► You know compared to like selling it for sixty bucks on a console. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4519">TS</a>]
01:15:22 ◼ ► They're they're not going to make as much money on this device that you're lucky to get ten bucks upfront for a game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4522">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► Or do some kind of terrible and I purchased scheme. And the installed base for the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:33 ◼ ► Is going to be smaller than the game console for a while probably in the long term it'll little eventually surpass them. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4533">TS</a>]
01:15:39 ◼ ► But for at least a few years it's probably going to be smaller. So we'll see what happens there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4539">TS</a>]
01:15:45 ◼ ► To me I think what we're going to see here. I think it's kind of like You Tube versus H.B.O. Of games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4545">TS</a>]
01:15:52 ◼ ► If that makes some sense. The big budget AAA game that's like the H.B.O. In this analogy like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4552">TS</a>]
01:15:58 ◼ ► Those are going to go to the consul's in the P.C.'s. Because that's where they can charge the most money. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4558">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► And really respect the most hardcore enthuses are willing to pay a premium to play those games. And to really get into. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► Into a purely game enthusiasm everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► Whereas You Tube is kind of like well anybody can throw some stuff up here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:13 ◼ ► and most what's going to guard some of the soon to be good. That I think is going to be more like what the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4573">TS</a>]
01:16:18 ◼ ► Gaming scene becomes where it's going to be a lot of garbage. Some good stuff. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4578">TS</a>]
01:16:22 ◼ ► It's probably never going to be the quality you get out of out of the AAA studio. AAA released on a console. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4582">TS</a>]
01:16:28 ◼ ► But there's going to be a lot more stuff and it's a lot more casual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4588">TS</a>]
01:16:32 ◼ ► and the bar is a lot lower because programming for I was easy and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4592">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► and distribution despite all of our complaint in the App Store is still WAY easier than trying to ship a console game. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► So you know. I think it's going to be more like that and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:46 ◼ ► But it's just different and it's this is never going to be a competitive gaming console. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4606">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► In what we think of as a gaming console but it might be a thing that people play games on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:57 ◼ ► If that makes sense of rhythm follow up apparently Rayman Legends is not an Iowa skull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4617">TS</a>]
01:17:02 ◼ ► or a man adventures I'm not sure how much it shares that her and Legends is on Play Station three and far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4622">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► and the way you and three sixty and I saw this one in the read on Windows but not in Iowa us. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► So like I I have some hope for the people who are good at making I was games will become good at making Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► I'm really disappointed about the rules surrounding controllers I'm disappointed Apple doesn't make a first party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:27 ◼ ► control what you said about third party controllers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4647">TS</a>]
01:17:29 ◼ ► Is still entirely true with the one possible exception of controllers Major you sports which costs more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4649">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► and are presumably higher quality and better feeling. But the consumer third party controllers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► Always gross like even as recently as I think the last one I actually bought was maybe for the Game Cube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:48 ◼ ► but I always play with them stories he would think how how going to be that much worse like it's just it's a pad with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4668">TS</a>]
01:17:53 ◼ ► buttons and if you look at pictures of me like actually a third party ones look better like they're better shape. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4673">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► They're better suited to my hands is there a different shape. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► I like where they did with the controls and you just press the button. You like but if you guys done. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:03 ◼ ► When you do wish the button. How can you screw it up. Why does it feel so. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4683">TS</a>]
01:18:07 ◼ ► How does it feel so different or better at like like a Super Nintendo controller would feel better than this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4687">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► Yeah and I don't know what magic first party controllers have or just you know you could say. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► It's just that you're used to the first party control you get the thing use the player longer for a long time then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:22 ◼ ► get a new cheap out and you know thirty one and it feels different and you don't like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4702">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► but there is no force party controller. With the Apple T.V. It is just that silly remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:29 ◼ ► So it's not like you're comparing the Nimbus the OK thing to Apple's first party control that feels really good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4709">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► You're comparing it to nothing and you still find it doesn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:37 ◼ ► You know feel good to your hand so I totally believe that. I don't know what it is that makes first party controllers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4717">TS</a>]
01:18:43 ◼ ► So much better although I have to say that I'm still you know I have been playing destiny in my P.S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4723">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► For control of her a long time and L. To an archer trigger squeak. When I hold them down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:53 ◼ ► And it bothers me a little bit. I destroyed it by playing five hundred hours of destiny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4733">TS</a>]
01:18:59 ◼ ► Maybe I don't feel like I'm being that rough on the thing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4739">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► I just feel like it's not up to Nintendo's qualities and I guess the Game Cube. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:04 ◼ ► Triggers that sweet little bit too but compared to the we. Program troll or which feels the sought of Iraq. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4744">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► Even though some six are in the wrong place anyway. I may be interested enough to buy a real controller from Apple T.V.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► Depending on how much my kids get into playing you know how much I get into playing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:23 ◼ ► but your view so far of this day OK. Numbers is not making a run on by a particular model so many voters weight. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4763">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► Honestly I wouldn't expect there to be a lot of these. I honestly wouldn't. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:33 ◼ ► I don't think the market can really support a lot of them. I think it can support. One to two. Really. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4773">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► And only because like. If this wasn't sold in the Apple Store I wouldn't have even considered it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► But I was there to get a second Apple T.V. and I wanted one for for my desk to develop on. So I could. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► So I can use a nice remote and not have to use the terrible simulator remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:56 ◼ ► So I want to do so anyway I was there I got one kind of impulse buying. But if they were in the store. I don't think. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4796">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► I don't think I would've gotten one apple to be doing the wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► and see things to like Hey if people really start making console quality games. There's no reason. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► Apple can make a first party controller and ship over the next Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► Other than the fact that it will destroy you know the poor people who design the packaging to be like oh. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► I have to put this in the box and destroy the whole box is on as opposed to be a cute little Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:21 ◼ ► In a little cubby with the remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4821">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► And the wire and every think that's the neatly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:25 ◼ ► and now you going to give me this control it's bigger that entire box combined I got mine that was the but this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4825">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► Like a part of these things like half the reason I don't want to sell a controller is because it necessarily would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► and everything about all their packaging their products like how small can make the box how many of these Can we finish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► up in the ten or how little waste can we make I'd fire mentally speaking. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► And there's just no getting around the fact that if you want something for adults to hold with two hands. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:50 ◼ ► It has to be a certain size. And you have to make or break a rocks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4850">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► No honestly I think that that is probably a really big part of the reason why they don't make one they seem to do a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4853">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► like this is kind of like what I mentioned last week about how I feel like Johnny Ives influence is slightly too strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► in the organization news be some some adjustment there. I feel like the. The influence. It's of packaging. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► Size is supposed to wrong right now that they do things like that that like. It's optimizing for the size of the box. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:23 ◼ ► When it actually has noticeable ramifications on the product. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4883">TS</a>]
01:21:28 ◼ ► So there are some things that they could use I think some rebalance and but regardless. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4888">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► I wouldn't expect Apple to make a game controller the penny good even he did make one for themselves because for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:38 ◼ ► the same reasons everything that that is making Apple's products. Compelling and good today. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4898">TS</a>]
01:21:45 ◼ ► Hardware wise of like making these like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4905">TS</a>]
01:21:47 ◼ ► Then sleek things that are by the way did I mention thin by the way Julie thin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4907">TS</a>]
01:21:51 ◼ ► What is required to make a good game controller. Goes totally against. Apple's hardware design. In recent years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4911">TS</a>]
01:21:59 ◼ ► Like day I don't think they are capable of shipping one that is good they would never get out the door. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4919">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► Because it's the same reason. You know the remote is the best example. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► If they can make a good control they would have made a good remote. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:11 ◼ ► Exactly the just that just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4931">TS</a>]
01:22:13 ◼ ► and I kind of like packaging is kind of silly because there are likely to reasons for the packaging to you know me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4933">TS</a>]
01:22:17 ◼ ► make a minimal pack regardless of the side of the product you do want to make no packaging for Economics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4937">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► and for environmental reasons both of which are good to go but. You just look at the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► In the size the remote and you have to think these two were designed as a pair and they are in scale with each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► and it's ignoring the fact that human beings are not in scale with the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► I don't care how big the puck is don't size their remote based on the size of the puck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► Size it based on hands you know. Shape it and size it based on hands. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:47 ◼ ► And that's not too many things that Apple makes that you that you grip in that way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4967">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► Like Obviously the phones in the pads and stuff they just they want to be like you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► Then it's done it's not in the lightest possible until they're you know until it becomes a non-issue in your calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4975">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► like a a completely clear he's Oleksandr weighs almost nothing that magically has an image of your screen Apple would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► be all for that right but they they make keyboards that you touch in those they've been trying to shrink down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► But at least the he got to keep have a still his eyes and make the sushi mouse. Which you touch but in a weird way. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► And maybe if you hold it that way it's good but if you don't hold the way tough luck. I still like it. Yeah me too. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► And they don't yeah I mean it's fun like if you use the web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► but they don't make many things that you that you kind of a grip and hold in using the same way that you would grip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► and hold a remote or a game controller because there's nothing on the remote of the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► and told you look at the we Game Pad aside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► It's purely a thing that you hold with buttons on it that you're not staring at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► when you use so it has to be sort of tactile and you have to be able to tell which way is what way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► and where the buttons are and you know there's not there's not much like that they make and there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:52 ◼ ► Their aesthetic doesn't lend itself well to that because you know. The negative space for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5032">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► By the gripping human hand is ugly and there's no getting around that. Ergonomics are ugly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► Like things that are well design or Anomaly are not going to be as visually attractive. As a thin. Bar of soap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► Remote that they can make but you know. It might not work as well. But they are willing to make that trade off. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► Specifically things that you grip. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:16 ◼ ► Because like a grip in this type of way because you can make a very are going to like and to beautiful. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5056">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► Or or a lever or shift knob in a car or steering wheel or anything like that those can be both beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:33 ◼ ► But once you're wrapping your hand entirely around something like a controller that you're gripping with two hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5073">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► or remote that you gripping entirely with one hand then you're just all around the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► and it's like you can't get around the fact that the hands don't want to go around a rectangular solid they don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:49 ◼ ► and it's hard if it's a little tiny sliver of a thing it's hard to kind of grip that at the same time as a manipulating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5089">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► the top surface what do you even holding onto the little edges of like yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► I feel like the people from Oxo need to parachute into the industrial design headquarters at Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► All right guys listen. Everybody on the floor. You know just like strapped into the chairs. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:09 ◼ ► And just go over although oxide is continuing the good cheese graters and maybe they're losing their way as well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5109">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► To go back and so I said that that I there were two challenges that I see for Apple T.V. Games and I only named one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:22 ◼ ► The other big one is. It's what I always say. Never go against the smartphone. All the Apple T.V. Games so far. Again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5122">TS</a>]
01:25:31 ◼ ► I assume this will change. Hopefully quickly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5131">TS</a>]
01:25:34 ◼ ► And hopefully to such a degree the statement sounds ridiculous in retrospect. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5134">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► But so far I haven't seen anything on the Apple T.V. Game wise. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► That was that that was substantially better than just running that same game on an i Phone or an i Pad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► That's going to be a problem for a lot of games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:51 ◼ ► So because you know we've been everyone who's developing Iowa scheme so far mobile game so far has been doing on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5151">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► platforms where certain things apply we know all these all these as Dick isn't everything. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:03 ◼ ► People who are making games that can be played nicely on a T.V. With a controller. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5163">TS</a>]
01:26:07 ◼ ► Have not really been in this business because business has not really allowed them to thrive. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5167">TS</a>]
01:26:12 ◼ ► So we need to either attract those kind of those trying to kind of games. Into the business. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5172">TS</a>]
01:26:18 ◼ ► Already to have our game developers start making games that actually make sense on T.V.'s more than it makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5178">TS</a>]
01:26:23 ◼ ► and just running it on an i Pad or and i Phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5183">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► I would say they're not substantially better than other how you how you qualify substantially because I think even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► these two games that are totally I.O.'s and like you know how to venture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► and cross here are both designed with the control scheme of a smartphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► or a touchscreen in mind it's very you know Alto is like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:41 ◼ ► How can you make a fun game with very minimal controls most of the you just tap anywhere on the screen right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5201">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► Chrysler are mostly just happening where with a little bit of swipes there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► They're totally designed for the very limited very primitive input and purposes and style of a touchscreen device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► But I think both of those games. Benefit enormously from being on a T.V. Screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► For the first reason that your hands aren't blocking any part of the screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► Which is for console gamers part of the thing that annoys about I was Games is that if it doesn't have an interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► that totally demands touch like Flight Control writes like OK that's not working anywhere else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► You know it's got to be a finger or a mouse and finger kind of makes it more fun. But those type of games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► I like not having my hand blocking a screen is always the reason I was quite Alto on my i Pad as I don't like how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► My two thumbs potentially block when playing alto on my i Phone six or even worse on a foreign Shailesh device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:35 ◼ ► I like seeing the whole screen. Games that look good I think Alto does look pretty good or even cross the road. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5255">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► They look really good on the big T.V. Big bright beautiful colors again none of it blocked by your fingers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:47 ◼ ► I think that is a big enough when that like if you if I was going for a high score in cross or outer Alto. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5267">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► I would now do it on my television. Like I would I would not try to do it on my i Pad or I'm on my phone. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5274">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► I would do better it's like it's better suited to even this really super simple kind of game it's not like I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:06 ◼ ► well as a game that takes advantage full advantage of the controller and you couldn't play it at all and I was devised. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5286">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► I think that the when there was that a big enough when that people care. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:15 ◼ ► Like a cross the road of already got the my phone. Probably not because from what I've seen with my kids. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5295">TS</a>]
01:28:21 ◼ ► They they experience those games for the first time on their i was devices they're fine playing them there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5301">TS</a>]
01:28:26 ◼ ► I don't think they would feel the same way I do about getting my fingers the hell away from the screen so I can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5306">TS</a>]
01:28:31 ◼ ► what's going on but will say like my son is now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5311">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► He downloaded some first person shooter or I was and I like for like a phone size device. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► Who in the world is trying to buy a first person shooter and a phone screen well. He's doing it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:45 ◼ ► He seems to be enjoying it so he doesn't know the other experience he plays minecraft on you know on the mac so he got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5325">TS</a>]
01:28:51 ◼ ► the mouse and keyboard controls there. He plays destiny. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5331">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► On the the P S four so he knows what it's like our consul controlling Here he is tilting the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► and shoving a little fingers into different parts of the screen to try to make the guy walk forward in jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:04 ◼ ► and shoot my cow that's that's no way to live but he seems fine with it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5344">TS</a>]
01:29:08 ◼ ► So you may be right the market as a whole is not going to see a significant differentiator for the same games on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5348">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► So least maybe for all people who know what it's like been through the whole screen there is an upside. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:21 ◼ ► The other thing too is like T.V. Screens are way worse than modern smartphone and tablet screens. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5361">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► The graphics that you see on T.V. The resolution. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► and I totally agree with Joe Steel on an upgrade this past week about how like there are so many like blurs that use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► these gradients that between colors and you see noticeable banding on on my T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:44 ◼ ► and Probably many T.V.'s to the point where it doesn't seem to this interface was designed for T.V.'s like I've got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5384">TS</a>]
01:29:50 ◼ ► get better T.V.'s Anyway I like it in many ways. Gaining. When you used to gaming and I.O.'s gaming on on a T.V. Again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5390">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► and I totally agree there are so many kinds of games where a controller with a real deep had a real. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► And real buttons or really like say whatever you whenever your case to be a controller with physical buttons. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:12 ◼ ► Is so much better than touch controls for so many kinds of games not all. But so many kinds of games. And yet.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5412">TS</a>]
01:30:21 ◼ ► Playing games on T.V. Once you are used to casual gaming on i OS devices. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5421">TS</a>]
01:30:27 ◼ ► It really does feel like a big step backwards. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5427">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► Another to have a game like this is this is one of the games that was in the top. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► Why it was presented to me in the first screen of apps and I almost bought it is a game that I never bought an i O. S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:39 ◼ ► Because I look at the game I'm like oh that's a console game is no way I'd want to play that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5439">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► and I was the last I thought. Or the called someone to Charles tell me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:47 ◼ ► Ocean horn or something like that it's is all the clone basically it's a. It's all the. But not without adult IP and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5447">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► That's the traditional console game charms of ocean aren't your run around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► and you do Zelda like things with a character who is totally not named Link and soon as an apprentice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:05 ◼ ► Not names all the and beautiful graphics and it looks nice but I'm like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5465">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► I don't want to play that kind of again maybe because I'm old I don't want to play that kind of game on a console. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► I want to play on my television holding a controller and because I can't do that I'm never going to buy it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► when I saw it come up on my Apple T.V. Screen like you know what. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:25 ◼ ► Maybe I would play that maybe is just to get it in the context that I feel like certain types of games are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5485">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► spend hours and hours. Going on like a quest and a game of continuity and saves an adventure an inventory. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:38 ◼ ► That would just rather do that on television I don't know if that's the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5498">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► The common case for for people who grew up with i OS devices but I definitely felt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► when I saw that icon that same game that I know is a quality game that I've seen lots of things about that I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► never in a million years would buy and plan my i Pad. Our i Phone. I was tempted to buy it on the television. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5512">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► I should think it also want to know that this would be awesome for that would make my gamepad purchase worthwhile. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:06 ◼ ► Is if good emulators exist. Like for old. You know any as Genesis. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5526">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► We haven't had a good N.E.'s or maim breach in the App Store in a while. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:16 ◼ ► Yeah there is that one like there is there is some somebody open sourced one back when the devil kits for shipped out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5536">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► I have a bookmark somewhere. And one of my many tabs in my many chrome windows John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► No just kidding but I think and put it where it somewhere. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► So I wanted to try to run that because this really could be a really nice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► Emulator machine but getting the software on their through the app store stuff is probably could be a problem. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► And I think my OF LAST And yes I mean they're probably crashes on launch now. I was nine which is kind of a shame. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:48 ◼ ► I don't in the early days of the App Store for people who were in around back then very frequently someone would manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5568">TS</a>]
01:32:54 ◼ ► to get some kind of game emulator on to the app store briefly before Apple would pull it so if you purchased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5574">TS</a>]
01:32:59 ◼ ► and downloaded during that window of time. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5579">TS</a>]
01:33:02 ◼ ► Apple wouldn't remove it from your device even though it's gone from the store so a lot of us have these emulators from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5582">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► Still sitting around of course they're not maintained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► and the developer can't release update televangelism just are crashing and launching don't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► but some still to resign follow up. Thanks to jelly bean soup book sounds disgusting. In a chat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► I know you want to talk Mike and Ike man. The emulator that I was referring to for Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► Is called provenance and will in that mission notes. I will try it at somewhere I have like a D.V.R. A D.V.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► Sorry David E. Plus our disk with like the entire Nintendo in Genesis. Catalogs on it and roms. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:45 ◼ ► But who knows how to do this out because yeah that could be really cool. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5625">TS</a>]
01:33:48 ◼ ► And I could be like a fun thing to do with my kid who's now. Like getting into games. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5628">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► You know because he's almost four so. Yeah that could. That could be fun and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► If that if that does work well then I will not regret the purchase of this controller at all so one final thing on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► Apple T.V. You'll notice if you see in a the screen shots the old Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► Appearance was basically a black background. With light colored things on a lot of the icons were also kind of dark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► But anyway the background of the whole thing was black. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► I like that for a lot of reasons I don't like bright white screens in my face. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:23 ◼ ► But also because I have a plasma television that does not like that show a for white screen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5663">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► And also because I have a plasma Taro television with various regions of the screen with burn in another Image [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► Retention artifacts on it from the kids watching Cartoon Network in a stupid C.N.N. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:37 ◼ ► Logo burning into the side and the destiny you had burning into the left and so on and so forth. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5677">TS</a>]
01:34:41 ◼ ► Obviously this is a problem. Only for me in a seven other people list on plasmas. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5681">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► But I bet if you own a plasma and I've heard from a CO They have already have done this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:51 ◼ ► And you think you don't have any Image Retention. Launching something like say. Chrisy road having a big giant uniform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5691">TS</a>]
01:34:59 ◼ ► Teal background in the history all comes up. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5699">TS</a>]
01:35:02 ◼ ► You'll notice hey wait a second that big giant steel background is not uniform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5702">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► I can see the logo of the shall I watch all the time in the corner Well I didn't know that was there before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:10 ◼ ► and same thing with the menu screens where it's like you just have this big sea of icons on a big it's not pure white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5710">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► but on a big light colored background it's supposed to be uniform. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► But then you start seeing the little things burned and that makes me feel sad. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► I don't think it's a reason for Apple not to do it except the only argument for Apple to go back to a black background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:28 ◼ ► is just in general staring at a television with a white background is not fun on your eyeballs. Especially if you have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5728">TS</a>]
01:35:35 ◼ ► If you don't have a plasma you have an L.C.D. Backlit L.C.D. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5735">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► and having a Fulbright screen even of the room is not dark having a full white screen with icons on it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:45 ◼ ► Not great for television so I wish both for selfish reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5745">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► and a few minor practical reasons that they would tone it down a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5748">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► and go back to black background with light icons on it instead ago I read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► and also kind of feels more T.V.'s methink plexus your eyes like that case you can tell me I'm wrong.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5757">TS</a>]
01:36:03 ◼ ► Well plexus you I. In general tends to be. I don't know. It is T.V.'s but I've not seen it on the new Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5763">TS</a>]
01:36:10 ◼ ► Now I'm not even using new Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5770">TS</a>]
01:36:13 ◼ ► and so you think it's conceivable that that would also be a light background with dark text on instead of what I'm used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5773">TS</a>]
01:36:19 ◼ ► to seeing which is black background with live text the pictures I've seen I thought it looked very much like the home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5779">TS</a>]
01:36:25 ◼ ► screen of the Apple T.V. and That it was like a very gray background. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► With like whitish text on it but yeah well they're using a lot of the a lot of layout template the get from T V M L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:35 ◼ ► So it does appear that's going to be like a general light. Theme. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5795">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► And I'm with you John I honestly I didn't realize I'd forgotten what does look like in the in the event. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► So when I kind of floated in I'm like oh everything the really bright. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► And I also have a plasma even though it's an ancient one but I I had made I would prefer a dark theme for T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:56 ◼ ► So it just kind of feels like. That is that the color scheme for T.V. Is black with. You know color were necessary. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5816">TS</a>]
01:37:04 ◼ ► Rather than what we have with this which is just everything is just bright and full of banded Grady all over the place. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5824">TS</a>]
01:37:11 ◼ ► So they do vibrancy to that so that's the thing I actually do think ours they do a vibrancy effect where like the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5831">TS</a>]
01:37:16 ◼ ► app fades to the foreground or sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5836">TS</a>]
01:37:18 ◼ ► when you're on like a setting screen you can see behind it the sort of like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5838">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► and I us where they put a sheet up over it and really can't see through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:25 ◼ ► but it is kind of these weird colored blobs it's not straight translucent fiber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5845">TS</a>]
01:37:28 ◼ ► and feel like it's not a fact that you've seen there else they do on the television. And that I don't mind so much. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5848">TS</a>]
01:37:33 ◼ ► Because it does tend to be darker at least. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:36 ◼ ► But it's is the thing that it's covering up that having a dog or gray thing over some icons looks OK but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5856">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► when it go at flies away getting you know like a light gray. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► Icons on light gray or Wyatt it just it just doesn't doesn't feel right to me. Now under. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:52 ◼ ► There's different vibrancy modes. One of them is super light and one of them is middle one of those dark. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:57 ◼ ► So it's really up to developers to to choose but I think by default and kind of like the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5877">TS</a>]
01:38:02 ◼ ► The norm on the platform is going to be things that are fairly light. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5882">TS</a>]
01:38:06 ◼ ► And I agree with you that's probably a mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5886">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► but you can look at this screenshots of the Plex Apple put in the show notes it looks like it does the vibrancy thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:15 ◼ ► and like for example showing a thing from Louis here. As this is the flex up or as a severed Yeah.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5895">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► That's that's Louis habits you get using all the built in templates from T.M.O. Anyway. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:26 ◼ ► Since Louis has a picture of Louis C.K. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5906">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► With like a blue sky and some clouds the whole background of the page is kind of like a blurred. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:36 ◼ ► Smeared version of the you know it's. It does Auto Color theming right. Like Breaking Bad is like greenish. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5916">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► Greg and so the whole background is granted guy. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:45 ◼ ► And that means does similar things like apples bananas for a long time trying to sort of have algorithm Legion. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5925">TS</a>]
01:38:53 ◼ ► Color schemes that match the thing you're seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5933">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► but still find a way to make the text legible on it is very difficult to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5935">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► and they seem super determined to be able to do it. And I think they do a pretty good job here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:05 ◼ ► I like the fact that every one of these screens isn't completely black with white text on it like it used to be on the. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5945">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► old Apple T.V. Sometimes you get a bum color scheme sometimes things are hard to read. So maybe you could say. Apple. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► Like just pick one theme that looks nice that you can read text on. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► But I am not as vehemently anti vibrancy as some other people. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► I think they go too far with it I think it's little bit silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► but on the on for television interface I think this gives an apple a branding because they're the one company. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:32 ◼ ► That's going to go through these kind of pains to stick to this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5972">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► What seems like a very stupid idea for how to color theme things out rhythmically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5976">TS</a>]
01:39:40 ◼ ► And there's going to keep working until they get it to work and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5980">TS</a>]
01:39:43 ◼ ► You know they've done it and it makes it look different than everything else. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5983">TS</a>]
01:39:46 ◼ ► It's when you go always back to the menu screen where it's like well now you're at the bottom. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5986">TS</a>]
01:39:49 ◼ ► And all there is is a very light gray background with some drop shadows on it that that still feels wrong. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5989">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► And I think we're good. They thought for three sponsors this week. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/5995">TS</a>]
01:40:00 ◼ ► Harry's Cards Against Humanity and back please and we'll see you next week. Now the show is over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6000">TS</a>]
01:40:09 ◼ ► They didn't even mean to be because it was accidental. It was accidental. JOHN going to be seen with him. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6009">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► Because it was accidental. It was accidental. And you can find the show nom de de de da. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:33 ◼ ► And if you're trying to get a little bit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6033">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► He was no says that ski lifts and the and and the Marco are limited to fifty states the real key is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6039">TS</a>]
01:41:06 ◼ ► when you get your Apple T.V. You will have things talk about. Well honestly Casey now you have to get one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6066">TS</a>]
01:41:12 ◼ ► You can tell us about plex on it. Rival aren't enough about myself to know that what that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6072">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► I'm going to get one is just a matter of will I hold out for the holidays or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:20 ◼ ► and I don't know I probably I'm this this. Optical things really chap in my hand and and it's stupid like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6080">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► Conceptually I know it's stupid I know it's not that big a deal and I can get over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:32 ◼ ► but it's really just get one of those thirty dollar boxes it's not worth this fretting it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6092">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► The thirty on a box might break. But it might not ever break. So what return it. Get a different one. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► If it doesn't break. Problems all you can get to them for the cause of the game control. Jastrow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:46 ◼ ► It's all I know I'm being crazy like I said earlier there's no doubt my mind this is a Casey issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6106">TS</a>]
01:41:50 ◼ ► and I'm just being weird. But I don't know it really grinds my gears that. That that's the way that. That is involved. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6110">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► That much is like you said it makes total sense adopt that altho who call it off to go anymore you just need to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► and you don't have the same excuse the market does where you're not allowed to get ones above a certain height so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:06 ◼ ► interesting fall of about that by the way. It turns out. So to recap. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:12 ◼ ► My issue last that I brought up last time was that. I really want. Dynamic range compression. In my audio for my T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6132">TS</a>]
01:42:19 ◼ ► but Due to household balance issues I'm not allowed to have a a big receiver. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6139">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► That does not fit in this really really narrow spot. In our T.V. Stand and I have not found any receiver. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► That is short enough height wise to actually fit in here. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:37 ◼ ► Even the Moran slimline ones which are almost there but not quite. And I also later on asked what the heck. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6157">TS</a>]
01:42:45 ◼ ► A sound bar was who I keep seeing sound bars are going to be the new cool thing I wanted what the heck it's a sound bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6165">TS</a>]
01:42:51 ◼ ► why why do people keep buying. What appears to be a big row of tiny little speakers and turns out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6171">TS</a>]
01:42:58 ◼ ► The answer to what I want. Probably is a sound bar. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6178">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► Many of them include range compression as a feature of the sound bar. Which is a wide. Skinny speaker. That can fit. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:14 ◼ ► Free much anywhere in the kind of shape. Shelf. That I have our T.V. On with that everything comes that Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6194">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► Comes that everything has it and everything you suffer your television in your current speakers. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:25 ◼ ► Write and say and so it turns out the Apple T.V. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6205">TS</a>]
01:43:26 ◼ ► Doesn't fact have built in recent version so that is also going to be something that will be a possible answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6206">TS</a>]
01:43:33 ◼ ► but I'm actually a a very kind manufacturer of audio equipment has actually sent me a sound bar to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6213">TS</a>]
01:43:42 ◼ ► or I have today I haven't time to look it up yet. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6222">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► I don't know if you can a life like I said it does sound different than stereo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:47 ◼ ► And it's trying to find a middle ground it's not going to sound like stereo. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6227">TS</a>]
01:43:53 ◼ ► But like you know better sound is going to sound different. Because it's. Trying to say. Trying to be like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6233">TS</a>]
01:43:58 ◼ ► It's just like a five by ones US them so is going to do crap by bouncing sound around your room. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6238">TS</a>]
01:44:02 ◼ ► That you may find weird. Interesting to see how you. How this. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6242">TS</a>]
01:44:07 ◼ ► If it actually is pleasing enough for you to to keep using it or if you say you know it that's just too weird. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6247">TS</a>]
01:44:11 ◼ ► I'd rather have either. Just plain stereo or five point one than this thing. You and I have to look at the same and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6251">TS</a>]
01:44:17 ◼ ► There's probably like different modes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6257">TS</a>]
01:44:20 ◼ ► and like settings of like you know if I can like tell it to just try to make it sound two D. and Like like to not. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6260">TS</a>]
01:44:27 ◼ ► Boost up the the depth. Simulation is much maybe it won't sound weird I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6267">TS</a>]
01:44:31 ◼ ► I'll let you know how goes you know that well that's the thing with it with the surround systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6271">TS</a>]
01:44:35 ◼ ► and one of the reasons that people tend not to like them is pretty much every receiver. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6275">TS</a>]
01:44:40 ◼ ► Comes with like all these weird modes like. Pretend you're an opera hall right here in a stadium or you rather like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6280">TS</a>]
01:44:46 ◼ ► Just do not ever use any of those there pointless. I don't know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6286">TS</a>]
01:44:49 ◼ ► I guess they're there to wow people and charms I'm going to tend they don't exist. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6289">TS</a>]
01:44:53 ◼ ► And so over the soundbar think what you. What you're probably going to be wanting is. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6293">TS</a>]
01:44:57 ◼ ► Please just play the center channel out of your center speakers. The right out of their left out of there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6297">TS</a>]
01:45:01 ◼ ► And like just have it go straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6301">TS</a>]
01:45:04 ◼ ► but even that can sound weird if the speakers are angled behind the grill in weird ways because a lot of on they try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6304">TS</a>]
01:45:08 ◼ ► bounce the back tiles off of like the side wall in the back wall the kind of you know I mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6308">TS</a>]
01:45:12 ◼ ► and if they're if they're And I'm glad that they're never going to be going right at you like I feel like I was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6312">TS</a>]
01:45:18 ◼ ► Don't run of five point one mix out of less than five point one speakers because some sounds are only on a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6318">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► channel and you were literally not hear them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:26 ◼ ► and so you won't understand what someone is replying to it's like you're not hearing the whole movie. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6326">TS</a>]
01:45:29 ◼ ► So you have to play those speakers. But you just want them to play like just play the sound like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6329">TS</a>]
01:45:35 ◼ ► If they could be route them to the right. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6335">TS</a>]
01:45:38 ◼ ► or just play the sound straight at me because I'm not interested in feel I can feel like I'm surrounded. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6338">TS</a>]
01:45:42 ◼ ► I just want all of the sound coming straight for me anyway. Well. I can't wait to hear your view of this Amber. Thanks. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6342">TS</a>]
01:45:51 ◼ ► Doesn't even fit though that's another thing I would love for you to unpack the thing and realize. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6351">TS</a>]
01:45:54 ◼ ► It doesn't fit either. I measured and it should fit but should is different from does in practice we'll see. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6354">TS</a>]
01:46:03 ◼ ► And if I have my car back for a week until it goes into the body shop. My was a little bodies out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6363">TS</a>]
01:46:11 ◼ ► So the area in which my house is and in between my house and work. There's a landfill. Don't be creepy and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6371">TS</a>]
01:46:19 ◼ ► One of the main access roads to the landfill is one of the roads I drive on there's probably bore them one landfill in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6379">TS</a>]
01:46:26 ◼ ► for Jeanette Casey. Well in the Richmond area. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6386">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► I genuinely don't know how many there are that are accessible to the public so what happens is people who perhaps live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:35 ◼ ► in like extraordinarily rural sections of this area which there are some but there. They're relatively far out. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6395">TS</a>]
01:46:41 ◼ ► Or if you just don't feel like paying for trash service you can bring your trash to the landfill and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6401">TS</a>]
01:46:48 ◼ ► And you can dump it yourself Well the problem is nobody actually secures their trash as they're driving up this main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6408">TS</a>]
01:46:54 ◼ ► access road. And one day I was driving to work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6414">TS</a>]
01:46:57 ◼ ► And apparently was daydreaming I wasn't MY PHONE hand on heart I was on my phone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6417">TS</a>]
01:47:01 ◼ ► and fiddling with the radio I was just apparently not paying enough attention the road. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6421">TS</a>]
01:47:05 ◼ ► And I must a clip like a piece of wood or something and I heard this tremendous like Crash or bang or something and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6425">TS</a>]
01:47:14 ◼ ► And I've discovered a day or two later because I went looking around the cart and seen a thing and I discovered a day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6434">TS</a>]
01:47:18 ◼ ► or two later that. I had apparently kicked it up with my rear passenger to the tire. And it impacted on the fender. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6438">TS</a>]
01:47:27 ◼ ► Like on the very edge of the fender. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6447">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► And so there's like this really bad like impact on the fender so it's going into the body shop next week for a parent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:36 ◼ ► me a week's worth of body repair just for that one Fender issue. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6456">TS</a>]
01:47:39 ◼ ► To the tune of a thousand dollars that thankfully insurance has already paid for. But yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6459">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► Yeah and then you have had some car problems as well I hear. So fortunately I have an employment to go get my. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:52 ◼ ► My snow tires installed and get whatever. B.S. I'm supposed to get a mileage. Next week already. But. So yesterday. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6472">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► My trunk stopped opening. So I don't have a trunk. For the time being. Well just use your for oh wait never mind. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:12 ◼ ► There is literally no way to open it so it's one of those. It's one of those electric lifting. Trunk. Gate things. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6492">TS</a>]
01:48:20 ◼ ► So if there is no mechanical way to open the trunk you have to do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6500">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► It has to invoke the electric motor the controls it somehow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:28 ◼ ► And there's like three different to do you can do it on the key fob you can. You can grip the button. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6508">TS</a>]
01:48:32 ◼ ► That's on like under the trunk lid. Like where the anyone else would put a latch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6512">TS</a>]
01:48:36 ◼ ► There's a button there that you just push and it opens or there's a button in the driver's side foot well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6516">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► None of those work. They all like pull them and it just does nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:46 ◼ ► And I don't think you can get to it from the cabin. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6526">TS</a>]
01:48:49 ◼ ► Because I think the whole point of like the various locks that are on the fold down seats in the back I think the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6529">TS</a>]
01:48:54 ◼ ► point is that you aren't supposed to have access to the trunk. Without going through the trunk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6534">TS</a>]
01:48:58 ◼ ► Now if you had if it was mechanical and mechanical cars you had a key thing. A very often in the back seat. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6538">TS</a>]
01:49:03 ◼ ► You put a key actual physical HE WOULD YOU DO YOU EVEN HAVE. You know. Yes buried in the key fob. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6543">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► I think I actually might have one of those little key slot in the in like the. The ski pass through. Yeah exactly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:14 ◼ ► And then if you get to that what you can do is get to the one that they have to put in there probably by law for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6554">TS</a>]
01:49:20 ◼ ► if you get trapped in the trunk you have a way to get out. You know that little thing. Yep yep yep. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6560">TS</a>]
01:49:24 ◼ ► Yeah little people handle things out. So if you send out a man sent in a vendor this key thing and say OK Adam. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6564">TS</a>]
01:49:30 ◼ ► Pulled a little red hen Liza's Daddy I'm scared of these i just bought it anyway intentionally.. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6570">TS</a>]
01:49:35 ◼ ► You'll open the trunk but this. This I think the first car I ever saw the did this was. I agree C.L. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6575">TS</a>]
01:49:41 ◼ ► I remember looking at it and noticing that the trunk lid. Had no. No place to put a key and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6581">TS</a>]
01:49:47 ◼ ► And no handles whatsoever on a bike I think they did it for us that excite car looks a smooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6587">TS</a>]
01:49:52 ◼ ► and slick just to have the strength in that comes down and you don't have any of these silly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6592">TS</a>]
01:49:56 ◼ ► Key openings or handles or whatever. I assume it was still mechanical and you'd pull the little thing in. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6596">TS</a>]
01:50:01 ◼ ► You know the driver's foot well over never. But what I thought was well that's stupid. It's like John. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6601">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► I've time of purely for us that if you don't provide a mechanical latch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:12 ◼ ► or a place for sticking at Margo's thing is more like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6612">TS</a>]
01:50:15 ◼ ► We want little tiny electric motors and circuits that will fail because probably electronics and cars are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6615">TS</a>]
01:50:21 ◼ ► and possibility. Instead of having a lot but on your car. There's a place like you said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6621">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► That would be where you would put the latch. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:27 ◼ ► You wouldn't see it it would be fine it would work but this I you know I know all motors and of the motors fell. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6627">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► Just forget about everything the trunk. And this one thing like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► So I got the electric trunk because it was part of a package and. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:41 ◼ ► I kind of had to get it if I wanted to bunch of other cool stuff. Since the beginning of having this I have said. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6641">TS</a>]
01:50:47 ◼ ► This is stupid and I would prefer the car not have this if given the option to just delete that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6647">TS</a>]
01:50:51 ◼ ► Because everything about an electric trunk is worse than a manual truck. There is literally nothing. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6651">TS</a>]
01:50:57 ◼ ► There is no benefit so. First of all it has like the cool feature. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6657">TS</a>]
01:51:01 ◼ ► Readers wave your foot under the bumper in the trunk opens. Yet you know how often that works. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6661">TS</a>]
01:51:06 ◼ ► Just to stand there doing the B.M.W. Damn waving your foot Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6666">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► Waving your foot bumper and cursing your trunk because it's not like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:14 ◼ ► That's the kind of thing you try like twice maybe any other I'm never doing this again. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6674">TS</a>]
01:51:18 ◼ ► So that's problem or one like those things just don't work. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6678">TS</a>]
01:51:21 ◼ ► They work frequently enough that you can tell it's not broken. But infrequently. You never want to do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6681">TS</a>]
01:51:27 ◼ ► So that's from a problem or two. Is that the electric. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6687">TS</a>]
01:51:32 ◼ ► Whatever whatever mechanism raises and lowers this is kind of permanently engaged. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6692">TS</a>]
01:51:37 ◼ ► So that if you want to like manually close the trunk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6697">TS</a>]
01:51:41 ◼ ► There's so much resistance you actually kind of can't do it or you have to push really hard and go to really slowly. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6701">TS</a>]
01:51:48 ◼ ► Like it isn't. It isn't like it like a bike gear were just disengage when it's not applying pressure like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6708">TS</a>]
01:51:53 ◼ ► It is just always engage your like pushing down really hard trying to many close if you ever need to that's no good. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6713">TS</a>]
01:51:59 ◼ ► So you can always have to use the motor which is probably my problem right now. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6719">TS</a>]
01:52:03 ◼ ► The reason I can't open it was something failed in and. There is no manual way open it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6723">TS</a>]
01:52:09 ◼ ► So is also making a way to close it. So that's that's annoying and. It's slow. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6729">TS</a>]
01:52:13 ◼ ► Like if you haven't a regular trunk lid a regular mechanical trunk lid. You can close it and open it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6733">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► Way faster than the people with the stupid electric ones like me. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:24 ◼ ► That's the one advantage of is that you can slam your hand on the lecture on his associate go so damn slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6744">TS</a>]
01:52:28 ◼ ► and presumably has the back off thing that if your hand was stuck in it would be like whoa I'm getting too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6748">TS</a>]
01:52:32 ◼ ► resistance that's true it does but. I mean I've I've been driving a long time I've never had that happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6752">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► Have you ever had that happen. The only place. Well. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:41 ◼ ► It's for like little kids again our hands because the only place I like trick. Thing makes any kind of sense. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6761">TS</a>]
01:52:47 ◼ ► Is for many vans where very often the lift the let's get in the back. Is so high that short people can't even reach. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6767">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► And if you can reach it it's sometimes difficult to get enough a waiter leverage if you are a smaller lightweight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6775">TS</a>]
01:53:00 ◼ ► person to pull that giant lid all the way down. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6780">TS</a>]
01:53:03 ◼ ► That's And the same thing I'm any man's with the sliding doors with kids getting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6783">TS</a>]
01:53:07 ◼ ► and out of it is a big you know getting your hand caught red. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6787">TS</a>]
01:53:10 ◼ ► So those are electric as well because you know it may be hard for a kid to pull that big heavy door closed. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6790">TS</a>]
01:53:16 ◼ ► And it's a very easy for people to get their hands got because kids are stupid and fight around doors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6796">TS</a>]
01:53:21 ◼ ► and shove their hands and gaps to try to stop those whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6801">TS</a>]
01:53:23 ◼ ► and the electric one solves that problem in those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6803">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► and the final reason to make sense for many bands is a lot more minivans are sold than B.M.W. M five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:34 ◼ ► And any type of thing like this any kind of car related technology. We're talking about this with the. Tesla Model X. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6814">TS</a>]
01:53:42 ◼ ► Going door. Things or whatever you do not want to be this feature to only be on a low volume car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6822">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► You want them to be the nine hundred that are racing of this feature that sells thousands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6828">TS</a>]
01:53:53 ◼ ► and thousands of copies every single year so they can get the kinks worked out of it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6833">TS</a>]
01:53:58 ◼ ► Regular trunk lives and that they put on like a Honda Accord or you know. Toyota Camry or trying to Corolla. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6838">TS</a>]
01:54:05 ◼ ► You can be damn sure that if there's anything wrong with that trunk closing. Magnetism the next or vision of the Camry. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6845">TS</a>]
01:54:10 ◼ ► They will work on it and you repeat that process for fifteen twenty years. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6850">TS</a>]
01:54:13 ◼ ► They're pretty much have the stupid Well the do snack manual trunk lid things and latch. Down to the point. How many. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6853">TS</a>]
01:54:20 ◼ ► I think the electric closing thing in your B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6860">TS</a>]
01:54:23 ◼ ► Have five trunk lid is probably a beautiful Be Spoke mechanism made only for this year's men five. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6863">TS</a>]
01:54:29 ◼ ► And the total number of electric closing B.M.W. Trunk lid sold in the history of B.M.W. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6869">TS</a>]
01:54:33 ◼ ► Is probably less than the number of Camry sold this year. Bruce S. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6873">TS</a>]
01:54:37 ◼ ► On the chat point something out to me or to us which got me thinking and so a little bit of real time follow up there. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6877">TS</a>]
01:54:44 ◼ ► Well let me start by reading page thirty nine of your owner's manual. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6884">TS</a>]
01:54:49 ◼ ► Manual for a good one of us who has read it by the way. I'm sure. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6889">TS</a>]
01:54:52 ◼ ► In fact I think I cracked the soap lippy efforts in open before we went to Germany which is because I'm not much for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6892">TS</a>]
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01:55:02 ◼ ► Trunk lid. Slowly and smoothly. To close it completely push the trunk lid down lightly. It is closed automatically. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6902">TS</a>]
01:55:09 ◼ ► What. What does that even mean that going to make a sound like if it's stuck open. You can close it carefully. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6909">TS</a>]
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01:55:22 ◼ ► In my glove box but apparently in your center armrest. There is actually a segregated. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6922">TS</a>]
01:55:29 ◼ ► Locks which specifically for the trunk. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6929">TS</a>]
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01:55:38 ◼ ► check that the switch is flicked the appropriate direction. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6938">TS</a>]
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01:55:51 ◼ ► now not to be able to put this in the chat room because I don't use like droplet or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6951">TS</a>]
01:55:55 ◼ ► but I'll put it in our little robot here is that a little go pro on its head so we see the Marco Cam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6955">TS</a>]
01:55:59 ◼ ► and I think that's right. I think I've seen it. All right let me try it out on America. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6959">TS</a>]
01:56:07 ◼ ► Well kind of person doesn't read the manual for their car horn knows. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6967">TS</a>]
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01:56:15 ◼ ► and hold this button it does some feature that you always wanted in your car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6975">TS</a>]
01:56:18 ◼ ► I guess is baby easier than you can control the phone with high court even first terrible estate. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6978">TS</a>]
01:56:23 ◼ ► The infotainment system is at the very least of his menus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6983">TS</a>]
01:56:25 ◼ ► So I could find all there is an option to make it so you only have to press their remote wants to lock all four doors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6985">TS</a>]
01:56:30 ◼ ► instead of having to do it twice or to write writer on lock off orders that about going to do twice. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6990">TS</a>]
01:56:35 ◼ ► I want to know I've read my Daniel it least once cover to cover. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6995">TS</a>]
01:56:39 ◼ ► And you see the whole area things they tell you about engine break and stuff like seriously. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/6999">TS</a>]
01:56:42 ◼ ► It's never going to happen. Any car any car. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7002">TS</a>]
01:56:45 ◼ ► I've owned if memory serves they're like don't do NOT engine brake that's what the brakes are for. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7005">TS</a>]
01:56:49 ◼ ► And I always enjoy a break. No I mean break in not. Not all over. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7009">TS</a>]
01:56:53 ◼ ► You don't know your manual say no engine braking I still do it. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7013">TS</a>]
01:56:56 ◼ ► They do it because I was like the telling you to do because they want you to go through your brake pads faster like no. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7016">TS</a>]
01:57:01 ◼ ► and I think the thing is if you're going to find if you can put pressure on anything want to put pressure on the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7021">TS</a>]
01:57:06 ◼ ► that's easy to replace right. But with that said I still engine brake constantly. Well it's a calculus. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7026">TS</a>]
01:57:11 ◼ ► You put pressure on the engine if you're leasing Like I said the pressure on the engine maybe it's for for any more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7031">TS</a>]
01:57:19 ◼ ► finicky cars but I have never I keep my cars for ten years plus. And you break all the time although the manual. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7039">TS</a>]
01:57:26 ◼ ► Never any engine problems that could conceivably be attributed to engine braking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7046">TS</a>]
01:57:30 ◼ ► and less engine braking causes my radiators to rust out my with my one of them to die. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7050">TS</a>]
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01:57:55 ◼ ► when they were pulling the injectors which apparently was part of this process. They had to apply too much torque. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7075">TS</a>]
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01:58:06 ◼ ► Anguish for them that they broke something called are saying they're trying to pull them out hard doing goes home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7086">TS</a>]
01:58:14 ◼ ► Whenever you very well could be right but according to the service advisor who I do actually trust. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7094">TS</a>]
01:58:19 ◼ ► They apparently pitched all six injectors and gave me new ones which I thought was interesting. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7099">TS</a>]
01:58:23 ◼ ► And I mark a what did you discover. It was locked. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7103">TS</a>]
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01:58:33 ◼ ► and then we will know no one will ever hear this a lot of listeners. This is this is a pact between all of us that you. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7113">TS</a>]
01:58:39 ◼ ► You can remind Marco and time you want but he doesn't know how to work is on target didn't read the manual. Yup. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7119">TS</a>]
01:58:45 ◼ ► Who reads the manual. Both So I would just this is not what you were gone I always do. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7125">TS</a>]
01:58:50 ◼ ► Like Ms otherwise I was saying to take it easy otherwise you don't find these old days of secure features in your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7130">TS</a>]
01:58:56 ◼ ► Is so bad you would never guess you had to press this button or hold this button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7136">TS</a>]
01:59:00 ◼ ► or whatever activates this thing better than you can control because you can read stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7140">TS</a>]
01:59:04 ◼ ► but if you don't read the manual you just won't know how your car works you won't know where all the little things are. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7144">TS</a>]
01:59:09 ◼ ► I certainly I mean it was right in the center armrest thing which I have. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7149">TS</a>]
01:59:13 ◼ ► You know there's like change in there the tune of Alto oid There's i Phone battery. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7153">TS</a>]
01:59:19 ◼ ► and you basically actually bump it with your tin of Alto it's a real number that is most likely to happen. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7159">TS</a>]
01:59:23 ◼ ► Yeah I mean I don't know but it is that is most likely you know. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7163">TS</a>]
01:59:27 ◼ ► Accidental bumping of the switch which is right in there. We think of you an embarrassing trip to the dealer. Yeah. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7167">TS</a>]
01:59:32 ◼ ► Well it was a combination of us Rousseff actually because I'd forgotten about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7172">TS</a>]
01:59:36 ◼ ► and it soon as Bruce has settled that thing in the glove box was like. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7176">TS</a>]
01:59:39 ◼ ► Yes that's right I completely forgot and then that. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT4H8fQ/7179">TS</a>]
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