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143: Capital F, Capital C

 

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00:00:31   to try to find it and you actually slide your fingers crossed touchpad while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/31">TS</a>]

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00:00:52   think even have to put it back for a second of all if you actually do that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/52">TS</a>]

00:00:56   you reaching for the remote and you slide your hands across touchpad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/56">TS</a>]

00:00:59   it's it's the play had somewhere just hit the menu button it will go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/59">TS</a>]

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00:01:31   instead and the kids use the S Video Server like you can play video format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/91">TS</a>]

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00:01:49   it shows up as 2d on a service because my dad uses neonate and he has Plex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/109">TS</a>]

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00:02:06   eventually tried really you should use force and trying to tell me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/126">TS</a>]

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00:02:16   is just haven't done it yet trying to hold out tryna wait for the holiday is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/136">TS</a>]

00:02:20   probably won't work we'll see what did you could say about their mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/140">TS</a>]

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00:02:30   or about just technology in general where it's like we all the people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/150">TS</a>]

00:02:34   understand that and only the kids you know truly understand it I thought one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/154">TS</a>]

00:02:39   of my kids reaction to the new remote was interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/159">TS</a>]

00:02:43   they're used to having lots of different remote because i dont have a universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/163">TS</a>]

00:02:48   universal remote have a bunch of different modes they have learned more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/168">TS</a>]

00:02:51   or less to navigate my crazy television set up to get what they want on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/171">TS</a>]

00:02:55   television the not really get into it they don't know how it works I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/175">TS</a>]

00:02:58   wanna know the minimum possible to get to work anyway I said here is the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/178">TS</a>]

00:03:02   Apple TV and I showed it to him and we're watching a video at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/182">TS</a>]

00:03:06   they wanted to actually about themselves and just use the new Apple TV and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/186">TS</a>]

00:03:10   didn't know what their most look like they used to the TiVo anyway given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/190">TS</a>]

00:03:13   road and show it to them and immediately my daughter she was super angry that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/193">TS</a>]

00:03:20   this remote do not work like she was just trying to navigate the great of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/200">TS</a>]

00:03:23   items to you know go up and to the left then I was like I go over to Netflix why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/203">TS</a>]

00:03:27   she was watching Netflix from the TIO 2 but anyway just moving the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/207">TS</a>]

00:03:33   selection to the Netflix icon on the main screen using the touchpad did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/213">TS</a>]

00:03:38   was not immediately apparent how that works like a charm swipe your thumb left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/218">TS</a>]

00:03:42   a writer tap or whatever and she had so angers like I can't just be buns I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/222">TS</a>]

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00:03:51   one she knows how to go up the TiVo remote I'm not overlapping she knows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/231">TS</a>]

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00:03:59   tiny little remote was touring or it had taken away her skill and made her back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/239">TS</a>]

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00:04:16   the introduction of anything new even if the new thing is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/256">TS</a>]

00:04:20   seen as a threat to our as a bad thing because it puts them back into the role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/260">TS</a>]

00:04:24   of novice they know how to use the old system they know how to use you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/264">TS</a>]

00:04:29   particular interface or piece of hardware or software or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/269">TS</a>]

00:04:32   that expert they started their expertise to feel like that it's not internalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/272">TS</a>]

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00:04:55   we're not that different people and the young people even an eight-year-old can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/295">TS</a>]

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00:05:05   in the Select button on TV remote can be erased in a moment by new technology is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/305">TS</a>]

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00:05:16   it it's like she was angry about it that day but now she's just like any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/316">TS</a>]

00:05:21   follower we already done that if we are done that is world record follow-up I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/321">TS</a>]

00:05:26   very proud of us and this has been doing more Apple TV gaming do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/326">TS</a>]

00:05:31   anything more to add on it yes oh so basically what happened between last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/331">TS</a>]

00:05:35   show in this show is that my family discovered that the Apple TV can in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/335">TS</a>]

00:05:40   be good gaming system because we discovered her body was discovered two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/340">TS</a>]

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00:05:44   badly and this is good because none of us had actually played it on iOS so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/344">TS</a>]

00:05:49   was all new to us bad land is a fantastic game for the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/349">TS</a>]

00:05:53   have never even heard of this so it's it it looks it's kind of like the art style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/353">TS</a>]

00:05:58   of limbo but with color and and it's it's a scan of intricate really fancied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/358">TS</a>]

00:06:04   up version of the basic gameplay mechanic flapping bird and I this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/364">TS</a>]

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00:06:13   burden you like you push the button to go up and go the button to fall and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/373">TS</a>]

00:06:18   notice that this kind of inertia biggest flying game and you can fly to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   side-scrolling levels and there's all sorts of different obstacles and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/381">TS</a>]

00:06:25   that they changed behavior behavior things and you multiply in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/385">TS</a>]

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00:06:35   incredibly good even on the serum it we've actually tried it with the gamepad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/395">TS</a>]

00:06:40   and with the serum and we actually find its better with syria and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/400">TS</a>]

00:06:44   explain why I don't know why is it tap to click click click click the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/404">TS</a>]

00:06:50   it's just a but again it doesn't make sense I don't know why it's better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/410">TS</a>]

00:06:53   for some reason just feels better it feels right on the serum feel weird to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/413">TS</a>]

00:06:58   hold a traditional console style controller into hands in the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/418">TS</a>]

00:07:02   you're doing with his pressing one button with one thought maybe that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/422">TS</a>]

00:07:05   be it so anyway it really is a fantastic game I highly recommend it for any Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/425">TS</a>]

00:07:12   TV owner it's accessible like you know kids can play it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/432">TS</a>]

00:07:16   adult complete non gamers can play it it is really a very nice well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/436">TS</a>]

00:07:21   came here like five bucks who cares just get it like it's it's really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/441">TS</a>]

00:07:25   by far the best Apple TV gaming experience that we've had so far which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/445">TS</a>]

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00:07:35   watching the little video on their website this looks as aesthetically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/455">TS</a>]

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00:07:56   artistic design game it's really really and it's it's kind of funny that's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/476">TS</a>]

00:07:59   of sick like it's really good just get badly and there aren't that many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/479">TS</a>]

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00:08:08   software to get to get ported or written for it this is one of those things this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/488">TS</a>]

00:08:12   highly recommended badly and there's another on those one button press games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/492">TS</a>]

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00:08:26   forward thing like isn't going for it is not like part of the gameplay itself and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/506">TS</a>]

00:08:30   that the screen moves on whether you're ready or not so if you have to backtrack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/510">TS</a>]

00:08:33   or something to get around outs to go and the screen is moving on to flock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/513">TS</a>]

00:08:37   yeah exactly and so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/517">TS</a>]

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00:08:44   having more control over their environment might find off-putting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/524">TS</a>]

00:08:47   is ideal for the phone where you don't want to make someone try to use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/527">TS</a>]

00:08:50   virtual keypad and now on the AppleTV where we actually have a real D pad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/530">TS</a>]

00:08:55   whatever we already have a game already tuned for single button press that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/535">TS</a>]

00:09:01   button to block any of the screen so an ideal Apple TV part yet and it's and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/541">TS</a>]

00:09:06   know it's it's watchable by people like it's fun to watch someone playing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/546">TS</a>]

00:09:09   like they did nothing about it needs to be on a personal device that's only in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/549">TS</a>]

00:09:15   your hands you know it's it really is very much like a a TV friendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/555">TS</a>]

00:09:20   family-friendly general audience kind of game is just really good that I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/560">TS</a>]

00:09:25   tried provenance more this week's in the province is that any later so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/565">TS</a>]

00:09:30   actually get on the App Store you it's one of those is one of them relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/570">TS</a>]

00:09:33   few after I think that is published with the intention of everybody is open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/573">TS</a>]

00:09:38   source and to install it you have to download the source code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/578">TS</a>]

00:09:42   register for an Apple developer account have Xcode build the game and catcher TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/582">TS</a>]

00:09:49   via USB to your computer and have Xcode installed the game onto your Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/589">TS</a>]

00:09:54   with provisioning profiles generated from your developer account it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/594">TS</a>]

00:09:59   definitely not something that you can just like tell a a non developer to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/599">TS</a>]

00:10:04   do this and how can expect them to figure it out they might but the chances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/604">TS</a>]

00:10:09   are not great so it is very much a cumbersome process i kno flux delux they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/609">TS</a>]

00:10:16   that I believe just how something similar for iPhones and iPads where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/616">TS</a>]

00:10:20   they get they had this open source version that they say here you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/620">TS</a>]

00:10:24   can side load this with with Xcode developer account if you want this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/624">TS</a>]

00:10:29   your own advice about jailbreaking something like that so it's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/629">TS</a>]

00:10:33   cumbersome process and then it's nerdy then you have to like you have to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/633">TS</a>]

00:10:37   to import your wrongs that you want to play any later and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/637">TS</a>]

00:10:41   like create a web interface and usually go from your Mac and upload them and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/641">TS</a>]

00:10:46   it's you know it's definitely a little bit cumbersome to get setup but when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/646">TS</a>]

00:10:50   is set up you have an emulator on your Apple TV and it covers all the popular 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/650">TS</a>]

00:10:54   and 16 bit systems it doesn't go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/654">TS</a>]

00:10:57   764 or anything more advanced I think it stops at like super nintendo in Genesis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/657">TS</a>]

00:11:02   level but it is really quite good at you know I've have played better emulators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/662">TS</a>]

00:11:08   if you have a computer with a gamepad on your computer you can do a lot better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/668">TS</a>]

00:11:11   because like provenance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/671">TS</a>]

00:11:14   it lacks a lot of customizable control that a lot of employers have you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/674">TS</a>]

00:11:18   for example the controls so if you don't like how they hadn't at the buttons on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/678">TS</a>]

00:11:23   the gamepad tough luck oh I guess you can source code exchange I am a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/683">TS</a>]

00:11:29   developer and I wouldn't bother doing that they also don't appear to have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/689">TS</a>]

00:11:34   of the really nice scaling mode so you know these old games ever made for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/694">TS</a>]

00:11:38   much lower resolution screens and if you run them on a modern emulator you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/698">TS</a>]

00:11:42   all these like fancy like that to access a I and super eagle at all these fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/702">TS</a>]

00:11:46   scaling up modes to make the graphics look better on high-resolution larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/706">TS</a>]

00:11:51   screens that we have these days and so that is not present on this so if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/711">TS</a>]

00:11:57   looking at like you know a pixel quadrupled version of the game or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/717">TS</a>]

00:12:00   whatever you just get up like in the dumb in the dumbest way possible scaled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/720">TS</a>]

00:12:04   up to to the big screen so it doesn't look great but you know it looks no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/724">TS</a>]

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00:24:50   way but also there is a certain degree of like right now there's an ersatz day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:55   one and people are really excited about it and they want to get it maybe some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:59   people who were on the fence about whether they wanted to get it maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:03   now won't get it is maybe it as the center should die down over the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:06   three to four weeks before they can get the accessory that they want maybe in at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:10   time they'll actually you know what maybe I don't really need this anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:13   you know it it's going to be a massive portion of their sales but I do think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:17   will hurt them in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:18   well so how does that balance with the other side of it I think happened with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:21   the watch there are positive aspects of things not being available there is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:26   the perceived scarcity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28   essentially you know that this project playing hard to get it makes you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:32   even more because you can't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:33   it there is for the people who weren't even that interested in it there is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:38   story about people I don't wanna watch but people who do one watches are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:44   able to find them it's the Cabbage Patch doll phenomenon like a while is not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:49   really popular because people really wanted it sold out everywhere and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:52   creates a positive buzz about it and then finally passes like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:56   someone finally got a modern buckle right as soon as these products trickle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1556">TS</a>]

00:26:01   out when they're ready to ship or whatever you get repeat stories I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:05   we've already covered seven times that he was the first person to have a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:08   link bracelet is the first person have a modern buckle so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:12   not that I'm saying Apple is doing an impressive purpose like it's artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:15   scarcity totally seems like this is just sit at the table to manufacture them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:18   volume they ship them but I would say it but against the idea of someone being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:24   disappointed they can get what they want and then just saying well never mind and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:27   not coming back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   balance that against the positive effects the perceived desirability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:34   value and the repeat press on the sort of the trickle of stuff coming out so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:39   have to think I think that's bad for it not to launch all ones mostly just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:43   because it reflects poorly on the company and might give someone a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:47   impression about Apple but I think overall I don't think it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:51   hurting their cells as long as I mean obviously as long as by the house by 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:54   hottest come as long as everybody wants to get an iPad pro with a pencil for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:57   holidays can get one they make up that close cuz that's where you can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1617">TS</a>]

00:27:01   hurt themselves because things are seasonal like that if they miss the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   holidays obviously they've really messed up as long as they make the holidays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:06   with a reasonable amount of time I think people like in their pencils for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   couple weeks is not that big a deal the main main thing I'm annoyed about as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:12   lazy person stay the whole time is I seem to remember in the old days that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:17   Apple would if not favor online orders then to the very least sort of give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:24   equal footing we're now with the Apple TV experiences myself I ordered Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:28   and before my Apple TV arrived to me they were already showing up in stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:31   so rather than you know like and so now I bet if you were to order a pencil now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:35   you'd get it sometime within the delivery window but then this weekend if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:40   you go into a big apple story may be able to pick one up if you just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:43   go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:43   and so it's definitely favoring retail it seems over a mail-order yeah and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:49   that's again like the Apple TV it was not it was not a big box but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:53   hurt a ton of stories like that from people who are ordered online and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:57   they had some weird shipping issues they didn't ship on time and then that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1677">TS</a>]

00:28:02   just makes sense I'm saying this is doing a nice because I stayed home but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:06   people who are online who are those people they had it's better to be with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:11   him in this store is because most people just like wandering the mall to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:14   Apple store in a wandering they have no idea when a product launch or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:17   about its only US you like the second it's available online because we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:21   want to do the action that we think is going to give us the product as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:24   possible to retain their children at heart right and I was like 30 min order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:29   on order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:30   no one else is like that no one knows many things are they just like they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:33   to the Apple store and the new iPhone 5 on their not ok well check back next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:38   weekend all the air out of his new Apple TV they don't know or care of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:41   launch so it's much better to have them available in store for sort of impulse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:45   purchases behaving wandered to the Apple store and see what's available as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:49   opposed to trying to cater to people to stay up till 3 a.m. daughter phone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:53   don't know that just the whole thing it just it just put a damper on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:57   like it it's not that doesn't ruin things it's not going to kill their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:00   sales but it just puts a damper on on the enthusiasm it's like oh this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:05   great except no bad news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   you know it's it's been a pioneer in the restaurant doesn't even know the IPRO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:11   exists in knowing the ads are running a TV and when they want to turn on TV but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:15   I think people perfectly acceptable accepting of seeing an ad on TV for cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:19   Apple thing than wandering into the Apple store and saying is that things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:22   son and friend TVA and having a pasar say no we don't have those now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:26   alright and I'll come back next weekend like that's that's how I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:30   vast vast majorities of Apple sales operate a pen i understand all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:37   being said I was able to try the pencil and smart Keyboard in the store because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:43   they had a demo one that liked some of the staff were playing without loud on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:47   the on the floor and ceiling fan and i got to put the two they they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:51   sell it to me I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53   I offered to sell to me but one million dollars for one night but there are 400 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1793">TS</a>]

00:30:00   my god that's a reference I know it's a reference we saw a movie together yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:05   actually never seen the movie but I know what if it isn't so I will say having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:14   now played with the pencil and keyboard very briefly i mean this I had about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:19   five minutes with the pencil and I in about two minutes of the keyboard I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:23   say the keyboard is not as bad as I expected I expected to be terrible as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:29   heard it had similar case which is tonight book one and possibly even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:34   he filled the network one I think it's probably about the same maybe a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:40   bit better even I don't know it didn't feel as horrible to me the netbook one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:45   but it was very very close doesn't matter you know it's it's an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:48   keyboard it's going to be a compromise and a lot of it that's that's fine I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:52   know there is a Logitech one Apple stores or even selling it they they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:57   that in stock they were out of stock of every other iPod accessory including the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:03   smart cover and the Smart Case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:04   now two separate like now the Smart Case is only the back part that's weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:11   so if you want both the back and the front covered you have to buy both parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:16   for a total of $150 yeah so that's that's annoying like it's it's almost as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:24   expensive as by the keyboard which covered both teams anyway the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:30   was very securely attached it only really hold the iPad in one angle though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:35   as far as I could tell I I wasn't sure if you can adjust at all it seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:39   it was fixed to this one particular angle it would hold that you can show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:42   the pencil behind it because nobody called the iPad Ford put the pencil in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:49   their push it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:50   yeah I mean this is going to be kind of product where there's a huge opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:53   here for third parties to make way better kisses and keyboards that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:57   did because you're gonna want a place to put the pencil and there isn't one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:02   anywhere on the iPad anywhere in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:05   any of Apple's cases you know it's similar to how the iPad 1 just kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:10   they had that terrible grade like wraparound case and the iPhone just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:15   clearly not designed with the case in mind at all this kind of threw it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:19   that's have a pencil feels today which is like here's this this awesome thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:23   that almost everyone has a lot of people are going to want for this iPad and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:27   iPad was seemingly designed with no regard to how this thing would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:32   be kept on or near or in the iPad as then more and pointed out today cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:37   behind your ear is too heavy for that first of all I think it's so it is heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:44   it's not like uncomfortably heavy it doesn't feel like a lightweight pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:48   or or or plastic styles it feels dense and it is not too heavy but almost two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:55   years can take it but it really does feel incredibly good use a pencil I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1975">TS</a>]

00:33:02   would say the keyboard if i if i were really into this thing myself I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:06   probably not going to be but if I was going to myself I would probably skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:10   the keyboard but I would definitely get a pencil because I'm not an artist of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:15   any kind I have no illustrative abilities at all I hardly ever hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:20   write anything this made me want to hand write things and draw diagrams and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:25   become some kind of artist even I probably won't ever be the pencil is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:29   great and combining it with palm rejection other touch input everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:36   I could not in my five minutes using it I never encountered an error in thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:42   that attacks was the pencil or rejecting the pump properly like it it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:47   flawless in they were using the Adobe Adobe sketch something and over sketches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:53   that that's that's what we were using to to draw it and it worked very well there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:58   is a little bit of lag still but it is the best stylist / you know pen tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:05   thing for computer by far the best I've ever seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:09   not not even close way better than then the Wacom tablet i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:13   way better than any previous iPad or iPhone stylus that I've tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:17   it just completely different experience far better I was able to rest my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:23   pokémon it flat on a table and just right just hand write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:26   agreements in his in his review which is very good he mentioned that he detested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:30   by drawing his signature and they're like $20 savings on most touch devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:35   or like 10 terminals in stores it always looks horrible crazy and he said like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:41   the iPad perot it looked like his real handwritten signature in my very brief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:45   testing here I'd try tried handwriting things like to share a few sentences and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:50   it looked just like my handwriting on paper it is incredibly good I wish I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:56   a reason to use it and right now I don't think I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2096">TS</a>]

00:35:00   time for you tomorrow if you haven't already because there are two videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:03   related to this topic in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:06   tweets from Steve stress saying he was not impressed with the pencil agencies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:11   so it's to give because we're stupid and they might take a look at that and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:16   at his video I don't know I can't tell what happens using their but the leg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:19   thing that he's doing is just horrendous that is really rough actually alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:25   now scroll down here is Matt pincer reno saying really because I was using it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:29   was awesome and then look at his video also an iPad pro presumably with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:33   different app and look at the lag there it looks like a different at ya might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:37   although they've later in the discussion there likely I was using Adobe's get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:40   answer says all I wasn't always gets too I don't know if it's in this picture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:45   anyway I think with I think what this shows is that from application to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:51   application that there can be a big difference in latency responsible the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:56   hardware is capable but depending on how the application is programmed you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2156">TS</a>]

00:36:01   get the latency you see what I don't think they're broken iPad that you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:04   the latency you see in the first video which is really a bad or with the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:08   exact hardware you get the latency using the second video which is really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:11   good yeah I mean it depend entirely on good coding again at some point the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:18   hardware is going to be the limiting factor but in my experience matches pens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:22   are you know that they're just being you know it does you can feel that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:27   some latency but it is really small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   and it's perfectly fine for him right I think I saw the first video I'm like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:34   maybe that's slow because it's trying to do like a brush type thing or it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:38   pressure sensitive like bristles you can see it's trying to be like a brushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:41   thing where the leading edges has things but then look it depends reno's video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:45   and he's doing like translucence smeared ink looking like he's not just doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:50   solid black line in whatever application he's using it seems to be doing fancier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:54   effects and this is yet another opportunity to Microsoft video showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2214">TS</a>]

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00:37:26   ladies like shows that this is really just the dawning of the mass market me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2246">TS</a>]

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00:37:35   computing as it was that that started with Windows for Penn whatever the grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:39   pad or that started with the servicer but never really it remains to be seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:43   it this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:44   popularized the pen to any significant degree but in all cases I think pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:51   input is not yet at the level has not crossed the threshold that the mouse did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:56   when the Mac was introduced because the mouse type input devices before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2276">TS</a>]

00:38:02   after the Mac but one of the things that the Mac has been excellent that from day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2282">TS</a>]

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00:38:11   is no lag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   it's a seemingly direct connection and that was very important to the dawning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:16   of the back to making a maxi like an active one of the reasons that like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:19   know windows always felt weird and different until I got their career stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:23   nail down a couple of years later and on the Mac there is nothing you can do in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:27   program to make their mouse cursors corrupt like it's not like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:31   program your application badly the mouse cursor won't be responsible not drawing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:35   with the messages you could screw that up because the original packaging to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:38   draw with the fancy brush tool it'll be a leg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:41   talk about the mass itself just moving the cursor around that stayed solid is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:47   nothing you could do an application to screw that up on the short of crashing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49   your grandma desk or something like it even given that they tended to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:54   smoothly always experience the crash with the entire computer is frozen but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:57   the mouse cursor still works that's an important part of the sort of physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:02   interface to computers with the mouse is the reliability of you move the mouse or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:07   trackpad and the cursor is also by the way why it's so incredibly disconcerting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:12   when your mouse cursor freezes it happened many times many more times in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:17   the bad old days of classic Mac OS it almost feels like the world is broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:21   for a second where you move your mouse in the cursor doesn't move you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   oh no this is not right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   something that it's like you've been knocked off kilter something that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:29   inviolate this constraint of the world that you believed in the move the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:32   cursor moves well for pen computing or any kind of pain in foot to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:37   become as sort of second nature and boring as mouse input is now a days we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:42   have to eventually get past the idea that the response in this will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:48   different if different the Pentagon spends not a pointing device PIN is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:51   drying device so I was giving them out to pass before and CEO of course if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:55   look at the super pan with the spray can think it would be all gross and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2395">TS</a>]

00:40:00   fine that's because the mouse isn't primarily a drawing think it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:04   moving things around and clicking and pointing but the pen it's not a pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:08   device there is no cursor on the screen is entirely about drunk so I want all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:12   pen input to be you know like the second video are better and it's clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:17   we're not quite there yet which is kind of a shame but this is early days of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:22   cease-fire that was concerned with the pen input of the Newton sitting on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:25   desk right now my dad might disagree but it's a couple thoughts on this first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:33   all it's a double down on what you're saying about the world being completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:37   wrong with your mouse freezes imagine how weird it is when not only the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:41   frozen but your mouse button doesn't exist anymore because it's a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:45   like that has happened to me a handful of times on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:49   pro that I have for work and it is weird so you just pretty just press and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:54   little vibrator thing doesn't vibrate underneath incorrect so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:57   pushing on a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:58   played a class nothing happens and that's one like everything is broken on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:03   the plus side you have a physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:05   indicator that everything is broken but on the downside this thing that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:09   forget is all software suddenly stops working and it's very weird and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2469">TS</a>]

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00:41:18   announced I'd remembered seeing something about Lake advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:21   multi-touch or something like that I went back and watched the WBC session on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2481">TS</a>]

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00:41:43   watched like a month or two ago so I'm a little fuzzy on it now but it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2503">TS</a>]

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00:42:15   Spirit says that it just use the iPad possible latency issues very apt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2535">TS</a>]

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00:42:45   fast path is for doing it but like I said sorry no video that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:50   something looks like a magic marker where thanks miriam jaeger towards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2570">TS</a>]

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00:42:58   it's not like it only works if you're a solid black line baby do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2578">TS</a>]

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00:43:17   software side the pen or pencil can be really great and and in a few hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:22   already it already is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2602">TS</a>]

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00:46:14   to 540 wasn't able to get anything else for it so we have no case cover no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:20   pencil no keyboard anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:23   brought home so far I would say based on my experience with it it is really a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:29   mixed back most of the reviews seem to back up what I've experienced so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:34   first of all it is huge and because it is so huge certain aspect of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:40   you could do well i pad before are actually worse in my opinion I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:44   was definitely worse for reading this you're reading things like comic books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:48   or magazines reeeeally as much space as possible but just like for reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:52   regular column articles or iBooks look kind of ridiculous on it to be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:57   because you don't seem to offer margin control the fun sized up though that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2817">TS</a>]

00:47:03   because it lets you do let's you have the keep the same number of words per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:08   line but make the text way bigger so it's easy to see ya but then holding it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:14   back further I mean you know people have your eyes will go eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:19   and you are absolutely i mean you know if you if you actually need a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:24   size just to make it legible in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:27   inaccessibility reasons that's a different story but if you have vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:32   within the within the normal range and you don't need to be really huge I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:37   say in general that the other iPads are better reading devices for that reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:41   this is obviously better for video welfare for reading though what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:45   want to have to put it that's a terrible idea why would you want to do it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:51   don't have to put air in slack in in the same thing split each one gets a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:55   reasonable size column like your thinking as if the screen is one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:59   that the application can fill in Apple hasn't done much to dissuade you from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:03   that notion but they have at least cut the screen and half or thirds or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:07   whatever so I think you have to in considering software which granted I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:11   sure you add to this is not an updated very well for the iPad pro in sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:15   looks ridiculous at very least you can say all right well it may not be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:20   reading experience for this thing but that's only because I'm letting it have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:24   the whole screen one another by the screen about something else other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   and now have two good reading experiences at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:29   yeah I mean that's that's kind of the idea but like one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:32   made iPads and and e-readers so good for reading books compared to computers is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:40   that you could only do that one thing on the screen you could fill up the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   with one reading app and you liked it right nobody reads books on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:47   computers for the most part because you these giant screens that are feeling a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2927">TS</a>]

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00:49:17   far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2957">TS</a>]

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00:49:26   more than a minute or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   you want to have it on some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2968">TS</a>]

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00:49:53   patients speaking of that recently tweeted a picture of having his tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56   was the Texas living the dream and when you have as I Pad Pro showing a comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2996">TS</a>]

00:50:02   book and next to it as a comic book which you could see you could take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:06   physical comic book and basically place it on the screen and it was pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:09   exactly the same size screen so if your comments reader and you're tired looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:12   at comics either shrunken or cropped you can't get to page side-by-side but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3012">TS</a>]

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00:50:26   like people who like mark-up PDFs this would be great for them because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:30   like you know you want you want to be like kind of life size or close to it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:33   least and the tenant iPad was almost but not quite the right size to do that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:39   you know stuff lately there are there are things that are going better on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:43   for sure and it would be a lot of those things but what i'm saying is it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:48   everything is better on it and and I it's important if you're thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:51   when the device is important to know that going in I'm just because certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:54   things there is such a thing as too big of a screen for certain things and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:58   you you might hit that but as you as you alluded to earlier John one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:03   bigger challenges up front here is that iOS while it's nice to have things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:09   the split of you and slide over and everything these features are pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:14   basic so far they they still especially things like what the slide over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:18   Apple launching experience they're behaving like a girl who's giant long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:22   list of these ads that are capable of doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:26   like this interface I don't know who designs interface because it should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:31   been obvious to anybody that as soon as you have more than a handful of absence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:36   support this feature this does not work very well but anyway there are there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:41   performances for the big screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43   and things have taken a big screen in iOS but the iPad has always kind of been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:49   the second class citizen of iOS it is always gotten oftentimes delayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:55   hardware capabilities or less good hardware in certain ways that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3115">TS</a>]

00:52:00   cameras are never as good as the iPhone cameras a context ideally the new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:05   even the iPad 40 as the reviews have noted doesn't have the technology center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:09   from the success that the good new one it has the slower old one from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:13   iPhone 5s and six and that seems crazy this is a new flagship iOS device that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:19   there there is a substantially better touch I D sensor that launched two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:25   months ago and I prohibit any 03 touch it doesn't have either that that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:30   because they couldn't get to work on the big screen that's a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:32   understandable i think is like you can see the challenges involved there but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3152">TS</a>]

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00:52:42   not I don't think there is an entire world that vendors making studies and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:46   i think there's a limited number of people who even can make it may be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   patent encumbered or whatever who has the ability manufacturers expertise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3168">TS</a>]

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00:52:59   know if that's true but that is a plausible explanation as to why why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3179">TS</a>]

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00:53:07   the most important product and if there's any part that is in limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:10   supply iPhone gets it and don't even bother don't even worry about the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:13   just give them the old sensor doesn't even matter the iPhone is it matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:17   because if you have to think of a part on the iPhone that is supplied constrain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:20   the tiny sensor especially the brand new one is one of the one of the top ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3200">TS</a>]

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00:53:30   decided you know what people are and unlocking their iPad by a touch of ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:34   often as they do on the phone so it's not that important we can save $1 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:38   know that it feels more like that is it cheaper is the new one actually more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:41   expensive like it might just be the same caught in it it just it seems more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3221">TS</a>]

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00:53:51   child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:51   if anything is in short supply iPhone gets the stuff right so so the reason of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:57   that in the song on the software side unfortunately that's also true and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:03   see things Lake like you know but even back forever ago when the iPad launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:08   with with 3.2 3.2 then I S four with multitasking came out for the iPhone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:14   it wasn't until four months later maybe even seconds later in life for pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:20   3 was unified it where they brought all the features of the iPad look at when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:25   was 7 launched and then you know in the early beta as they weren't even give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:30   the iPad it was so unfinished they wouldn't even give a developer beat us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:34   at first and then later on in the process they eventually released the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:38   iPad version of it and I would say the iPad version has always and still lags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:44   behind the iPhone version ever since I was 7 redesign there are certain things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:50   about it that just seemed half and you know things like control center things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:55   like that that swept over at picker API you I notifications have always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3295">TS</a>]

00:55:01   kind of weird on it there's still a guys I think as we reported on his you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3301">TS</a>]

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00:55:09   the iPad is is trying to be this higher end of ice and in many ways to achieving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:16   the net but on the software side it's being held back by these limitations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:22   they did make great strides with the split of you and and with the slide over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:27   in Iowa State that does help alot but in general it just seems like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:32   getting a lot of attention in its software and you know see you get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:36   here yet here we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   flagship product this is obviously very important Apple to get to get the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:42   sales you know boosted again get them going again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3342">TS</a>]

00:55:45   you know keep your iPad alive keep it going to have this flagship product it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:50   launches ready for the holidays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:53   peak time first of all no accessories available from 12 then second of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:58   hardly any apps updated for it so so already you have this weird experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:02   where like when you launch most iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   taps they come up in the blurry blown-up way and it just looks it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:10   ridiculous a day that's that's a problem and Mike just going through tips initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:14   setup here at home we've seen a lot of those at almost every option uses has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:18   not been updated and includes both games and browsing ads in magazines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3378">TS</a>]

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00:56:27   number one but even just like his first impression when she saw the springboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:33   home screen she was looking at how many icons you get a across the top and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3393">TS</a>]

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00:56:43   and column springboard hasn't changed even the screen size got almost twice as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3403">TS</a>]

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00:56:53   she was she looking for a setting to change it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3413">TS</a>]

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00:57:09   to making iOS better specifically for the iPad it's it's good it's hard enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:16   for developers to justify putting a lot of work into iPad apps lot of the times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3436">TS</a>]

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00:57:25   think it in a while with both now is split you coming few months ago and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:31   with the iPad pro having a whole new screen size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34   not to mention if you want to take advantage of of things like the pending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   keyboard and some ways after helpers need to catch up to a lot of work to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:43   their iPad apps to be really great now to really just to keep them current to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:47   keep them running well in the news hard work even taking advantage of hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:49   the island's do it every year in some way but the iPhone has a lot more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:53   using it and therefore it's a lot easier to make money in the iPhone for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:56   kinds of that but the iPad because they smaller platform by installed this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3476">TS</a>]

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00:58:06   it and doing work on iPad apps and the problems in Apple software ecosystem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:12   a pricing sustainability over competition everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:18   these problems are magnified on the iPad side because there isn't as much there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:23   are always isn't as big so you can't just make up in volume it's harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:27   make it on the iPad side there's less competition I think which helps but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:31   it's it's just harder like look at how many iPad apps have just been just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:35   totally abandoned and just getting no meaningful updates because their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:39   developers just can't go forward to it to work on them I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:45   ultimately going to be what decides whether the iPad pro succeeds or fails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:48   is will developers including Apple iOS will developers be able to justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:56   investing a lot of resources into making really great software for the iPad Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3536">TS</a>]

00:59:02   is if they it's it's kind of chicken and a problem if they don't then the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:07   pro it will probably see will probably not do substantially better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:11   other iPads have done and it's not like they're bombing you know it's a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:15   business than McDonalds or whatever you know they're doing okay but it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:18   that the point this product was to really just really give it a substantial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:22   boost and unless the software comes I don't think that's going to happen I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:27   also don't see what in the software ecosystem will meaningfully change that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:33   will certainly make this a great platform that is worth developers both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:38   large and small spending a lot of time creating and maintaining professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:43   quality after this platform like Apple's been coasting on the posting but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:48   benefiting from the inevitability of the iPad that they apparently feel that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:52   always felt even from my original iPad launch when the iPad was coming out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:56   was like Apple's tablet we do know that the name of it was going to be one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:59   the topics of discussion around that time although we didn't have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:02   progress talk about it on was what is the one of the home screen and all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:06   kind Apple tablet and the reason that was a discussion because the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3606">TS</a>]

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01:00:14   they do on the phone and have just agreed I think is the screen is massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:17   so what are they going to do like it was it was fun to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:21   what is the sort of the home experience the the root level the bottom level that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:27   thing you see when you turn this thing on what does that look like when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:31   have italicized devices and Apple's answer was looks like a foamy spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:34   stuff and as the iPod iPad change sizes smaller you know the icons are there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:42   it's gotten bigger guy comes to spread out the couple I says that one is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:49   they actually did put things in the same density they are in a phone that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:54   be an object of ridicule people like that big iPad you can tell her anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:58   is a million icons on the home screen so they could not obviously not do them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:02   that they just you know that's just goes to show that like the density that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:05   well in the tiny thing your hand you can't use that same density in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3665">TS</a>]

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01:01:53   done right something you can do on a phone listed on small and pieces are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3713">TS</a>]

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01:02:01   takes all the good stuff from your phone that ever knows how to use it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3721">TS</a>]

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01:02:07   have more capabilities and design the home screen of the iPad was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:11   first times that Apple is faced with it all right what do you see when you turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:14   on the iPad we have this big screen can we do something different in this round [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:19   in that realm is like the place where people go to launch their absurd to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:21   rearrange things or whatever and they punted are they said well I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:27   have any good ideas right now so as make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   just continue to get that down the road all the while knowing that surely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:33   there's something more they can do but if you don't want to make it into what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:36   do you have to find her on the iPad no no we don't want that crap the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:39   reason people like that added that it simple so it has to be straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:44   and yeah we're fine with that but now now we're getting the point of the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3764">TS</a>]

01:02:48   solutions but we have to make it more capable so bigger good yes thumbs up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:52   front that ever you have to make it because it's more stuff you can do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:56   then what can we do with that real estate that but that's harder problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:59   I've got a real estate office right now we could split the screen make it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:03   divider that you can kind of like that's better better than nothing but it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:09   shows that the haven't figured out how to add capability without adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:13   complexity that the beauty of the things we all know the windows pointer mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:17   you know went interface pioneered by the National popularized by the Mac is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:22   evolved over time with a vocabulary that we're all familiar with like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:26   it's easy for us to think like Macs aren't that hard or PCs on that hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:30   everyone knows how to use Windows and and and menu bars and like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:34   vocabulary for dealing with windows that you can resize them very edges you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:40   move them around tabs or another it was added to be all understand how ted's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:45   work but that's us to everyone else this is insane to get the file system files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:48   and folders and and navigating the hierarchy a very simple consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:53   vocabulary for people who are into computers for everyone else it might as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:56   well be you know inscrutable and just like some people just never fully rested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3836">TS</a>]

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01:04:06   future because history has shown over decades that just people not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:12   people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:13   karach computers the way we grab them this interface is on you know it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:17   better than what came before the command line even a small number of people rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:20   the GUI with the masses and scrollbars a larger but everybody gets the smartphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:25   right and but there are those of us who use computers to do our jobs they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:30   to figure out a way to make these things more capable without making it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:33   complicated and that is a really difficult job and that's on Apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:37   individual developers they can make their applications to use the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:41   parlance I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:42   perot savvy and he told you all that stuff or whatever but it's kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:46   apple to show how this can really be the future computing and so far they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:51   timid about it because it's safe to say we just do it on the phone and bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:55   people are understanding it works fine but you're not getting into capabilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:58   that even those who when you rotate male sideways good news side bar and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:02   don't like the success + like they did a couple different layouts and whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:06   this is so massively huge you can to say all right now are absolute have a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:10   bit different layout is sometimes you have to go over there inevitably you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:13   have to get to some solution that gives us what we do with Windows but in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:17   simpler way and the splitter is their first crack about and I haven't used it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:20   so I don't cancel it is but boy it just just going to have a long way to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:25   this area and most of the complaints and surrounding software on the iPad pro I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:32   don't think it dooms the table as a platform it just goes to show that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:36   is a hard problem and it's easy to take for granted the the breakthroughs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:40   inventions that came with the Mac in with the original Google that had so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:43   much time to evolve we had two errors on both ends of the scrollbars I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:46   proportional to the scrollbars entirely even something as simple as moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:52   window here and it's growing there's a lot of cracks at that like what we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:56   now is not what was first there and we tried all sorts of different things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3956">TS</a>]

01:06:00   try to find something that would that was better professional scrotum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:03   revolution Appleton invent those obviously never really stopped him but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:08   that was a significant enhancement over the original scrolls and the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:12   Mac scrollbars were significant enhancement over the weird ones on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:15   system's the end like middle click or whatever to school so I don't expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:19   anyone to nail this in the first try but the the iteration time has definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:24   slowed down I think mostly because the smartphone its interface became so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:30   iconic that I was like well worst case is just it's like a phone but on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:35   bigger screen everybody understands that it'll be fine but we won't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:37   significant progress towards the future computing capital S capital C that Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:43   Cook and several people believe must come sunday and i know i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:49   a lot of these problems people assumed to be problems like you know like my old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:55   you know launching apparatus setting screen design problem where you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:59   assume oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:00   computer too hard to use so the way to make it easier to use it to get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:04   all these files and windows and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:07   giving all these things people are confused about but if you if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:11   it only in that way that that's what kind of aid like naive like twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:16   two-year-old smart person we look at things like well this is all stupid will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:20   get rid of it you know and then you do and you realize oh now we have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:24   problems to solve and the solutions that you build up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:28   end up being often time is more complex or worse or at least no better than what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:34   was already there because it was already there was actually there for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:37   reasons and so a lot of problems I i think you know have to be backtracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:41   some way for example I Club Dr perfect example this where you have ok well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:47   there's no more files each absence has its own content in the app and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:52   have a single engine and a little just think this document still in the app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:56   a note turns out having a folder that just seems everywhere like Dropbox is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4076">TS</a>]

01:08:00   really useful and makes a lot of things way easier than all these apps having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:06   their own little sandbox silos and also to bring lots of other limitations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:11   challenges to the platform and oh by the way all this contributes very heavily to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:16   why a lot of people can get their work done and iOS you feel like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:19   tempting to slide back to the old solutions yeah I think those you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:23   think is a great example of us like the new stuff is supposed to work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:27   doesn't in Dropbox use the old paradigm + reliability to say thank you guys you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:32   guys haven't figured it out I know this is an old paradigm that is confusing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:36   it's reliable and at least in the very least two people understand files and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:39   folders from Dropbox and other people though most along because they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:43   reliable but it's so easy to go back to that Apple doesn't like do that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:47   why the iPad products come with a bunch of windows with widgets the slide around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:51   on the screen right they totally could could you know they can make like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:55   touch and I was 10 designed for touch where all the way to go whatever but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:59   have actual windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:00   how to do that to its credit to its detriment or demerit of whatever word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:06   you want insert there they don't seem to have quite an idea what to do going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:11   forward and they've been really cautious about like poking their way toward the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:16   edges of Microsoft has been much more daring in thinking the old paradigms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:22   there we want to try something new and they went hog wild but the whole Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:27   stuff I don't think that was successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   either but they certainly you know came went forward much more boldly than Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:35   AAPL there's been like its smartphones that everyone likes that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:40   compromises made to a small screen will report to the big screen and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:43   complain that I can't do anything more than a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:44   yeah I mean at this point I would say the name thing that holds iOS back from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:50   more pro adoption is the OS it's not it's not the screens weren't big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:55   you know those things help and you know things like the iPad pro and the pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4195">TS</a>]

01:10:01   and and the you know finally like a decent keyboard those things will all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:06   help and they all bring in certain portions of the workforce and population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:11   that couldn't have done it before didn't want to do it before but fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:16   the main reason why so many people say I can't get my word on an iPad or it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4216">TS</a>]

01:10:22   be very clunky for me to get my work done on iPad fundamentally that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:26   down to iOS and the structure of iOS how things like files and documents and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:31   sandboxing and apps how these things are all and multitasking like how does all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:35   work together how things they can do the things they can't do that is ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:39   what it comes down to for a lot of people and that is really hard to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:44   meaningfully without edges but i just basically making a Mac redoing all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:49   old complexities you know now Apple is trying to figure out which of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:54   complexities were actually not necessary and and which are necessary to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4254">TS</a>]

01:11:00   productive you know kind of pro work machine I don't think any of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:04   necessary the question is simply like because they are as a means to an end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:07   the end is I need to have a way to to use multiple to do multiple things at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:13   once they recalled multiple application but there's no reason that paradigm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4273">TS</a>]

01:11:16   units take a look at the things you could have gone the OpenDocument where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:20   everything is inverted in the document is king and there's no real applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:24   in any way they didn't have applications or face the basically the title race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:28   with is how do i do more than one thing at one time even before that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:31   things start sharing with each other just simply how do I go to you know to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:36   browser too many text add it to my email to my daughter whether you know how do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:39   do more than Windows solves that problem not capital W Windows Microsoft like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:43   Windows is the solution that people came up with that there's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:46   application content it's a newsletter rectangles we can change the size of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:50   size too small scroll bar there to move around they have a thing that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53   drag them on they have little buttons even close to minimize impact like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:57   that's that was the old solution to that old solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4317">TS</a>]

01:12:01   effects seen anybody use computers windows are not something that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:06   people deal with well and it is simply not gotten better you can't blame at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:10   because all people did you grow up with computers there are many many people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:13   grew up with him Peters who cannot manage Windows as we all know an expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:16   in managing windows and because I have an aptitude for it but and it makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:22   keenly aware that pretty much everywhere else I C has no idea what to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:26   Windows even even young kids at work my kids just out of college I see how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:30   use computers and they have these massive screens in the head like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4350">TS</a>]

01:12:34   two windows that's why people love tiling window managers and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:37   Windows 10 where you jam the window inside of the screen until they managing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:41   Windows is it is not easy to do to have a bunch of windows all shuffling around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:45   it's like having 17 papers on your desk overlap with each other and how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:48   manage it right that is it's not like that people are going to get better at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4368">TS</a>]

01:12:52   that so I'm not saying it's a bankrupt parent on its way better than people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:56   managing the mental state required to deal with the command line right big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4376">TS</a>]

01:13:00   advancement over that but you can't go back to it but we still have the root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:04   problem of what I want to do a bunch of stuff at once so how do you let me do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:08   bunch of stuff ones without asking me to manage Windows and so far we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:13   a good answer to that the iOS multitasking switchgear splitting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:17   screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:18   none of those things like oh we recognize all those things are better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:22   than nothing but still not as capable as Windows even to people who are good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:26   managing Windows not like they have a lot of windows if you're at all used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:30   Windows who like I wish I could have windows in this thing but then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:33   realize it doesn't work with finger whatever so that's one root problem how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:37   do I have to give something that's the equivalent of Windows like I don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:41   it that way but how do I let people use this computing device to do more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:46   one thing at the same time and and move between those tasca nice way to set that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:50   aside we don't have a good solution at the other one you were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:52   Marco how do I deal with the data how do I take some piece of data to synthesize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:58   like pictures from here text from their link from here how do I move stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4438">TS</a>]

01:14:03   between applications keep track of where things are saved things have have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:07   know any also shown that was files and folders in a file system yet images yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:11   text documents you know that was the old paradigm as we all know people are good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:15   at the old paradigm files and folders people make a big giant mess that can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:18   keep track of where there are lots of people can deal with it but lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:21   people just can't and again we've had computers long after not to say like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:25   old people die young people know how to deal with the soldiers nope we ran that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:29   experiment human beings are not changing that fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:32   thousand boulders a lot of people can use it but a lot of people can't it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:35   much easier when there's no saving you open the Notes app you type a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:38   notes in with your thumbs on your iPhone you close the notes have known known as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:42   begging for a Save button in the Notes application million times and it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:47   just goes to show that like those are complex is to be done need but when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:51   want to do something that would usually be done with files and folders in a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:55   system what is the solution for that Apple should really probably have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:58   teams of fifty really smart people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:02   multiple ones them working all these problems because right now there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:05   either not solving them at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:07   are making VV most timid move in the direction of solving them and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:12   kind of being like like it's a little bit more complicated than the iPhone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:17   it's not as good as the Mac what do you think of that and it's just not the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:20   as the boldness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:21   the Mac of saying the command line is crap forget about what we're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:24   nothing to do with the command line here is where are you know what we've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:28   the future and organize this is the direction we're going to take and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:32   way better than everything came before it and so far we haven't had that moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:35   for the post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:37   you know the post-world so two questions for you john first of all an infinite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:43   time scale would we get good at using Windows think so cuz I don't think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:49   is anything I don't think there's any evolutionary pressure like there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:53   will there is nothing about being good at windows that makes your jeans more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:57   likely to be passed on it so in in the absence of that pressure I don't see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4557">TS</a>]

01:16:02   the genetic makeup of humans would change over any period of time to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:07   better at managing multiple tuition of windows and the second reason of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:10   is that we will come up with different interfaces that are better than windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:15   and simpler and better suited to us so it's not nothing holding window study of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:20   saying I demand that windows as they currently exist stay there for the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:23   three billion years to wait and see if human evolution will make us better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:28   he took that question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:30   way too seriously I gave you give you the answer but I appreciate and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:35   thought nothing less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4595">TS</a>]

01:16:36   exactly the other question I had and I am being serious now is you seem really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:42   disappointed with the multitasking paradigm in iOS and I you know I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:47   the iPad Mini the first one of the retina display and it doesn't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:51   the terminology wrong so it does to slide over it doesn't display people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:56   pretty sure got that right that's right in some only had limited experience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4616">TS</a>]

01:17:00   the multitasking on on on an iPad but I feel like I really liked it I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:06   that the multitasking switcher when you're switching between apps in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:09   the slide over what have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:11   is stupid like I agree with you there that's dumb but the general premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:16   behind it I don't think it's so bad I'm not saying there couldn't be better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:19   i mean i i think it's a pretty solid first step do not think that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:25   like it's easy to see that is not as capable to better than one but not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:32   good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:32   3 got far and so on and so forth 62 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:35   admitted doesn't help you with dozens of you yet with the you know sharing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:42   one thing to the other dragging and dropping across that line or somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:46   because things are visually next to each other things same things we do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:50   desktop like raindrops again saying drag and drop it will bring over because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:54   old thing that worked but they need something that feels the same role as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:57   drag and drop in like you know why I have something over here I'm gonna drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4677">TS</a>]

01:18:01   it over there and I'm going to check into this thing and now this image I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:04   dragged 0 photos onto the desktop direct from the desktop into photos that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:09   a particular fishing move but it's using a vocabulary that we understand to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:12   that the reason I'm also disappointed it as disappointed like better than nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:17   but it's so clearly still less capable than than a desktop computer but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:26   like almost as hard to explain to people who aren't familiar why I just tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:30   show my daughter today first year for whatever reason she decided to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:34   laptop to write something instead of writing on a piece of paper I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:39   think she writes on their iPod she's not to use the laptop and she asked me how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:44   to make the window cover the whole screen so I showed her the full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:49   thing she's in full screen mode and then she wanted to look something up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:52   Safari and I want to show her you can actually see the text editor and Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:56   at the same time but then I realized to show her that I had to show all you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4736">TS</a>]

01:19:00   to do all you have to do is arranged the windows arrange the windows she doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:08   know how Windows move she doesn't know windows can be resized I resize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:11   window and she asked me how I did it how did you change the size of the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:14   like a single thing you know so trying to show someone how to use mine is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:19   obviously trying to show her how do you split view on the iPad would advise all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:24   that almost the same conversations like it already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:27   already too complicated I feel like people are gonna figure it out on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:31   own and I think it suffers in comparison to windows and it doesn't really give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4771">TS</a>]

01:19:35   you a start of functional vocabulary that you can apply repeatedly because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:40   once you figure out how window works you still may not be good arranging windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:44   because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:45   just knowing head over and over cases like I know how to formal letters it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:48   not the same as knowing how to write a mean or knowing how to hit one piano key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:51   is not the same as know how to play a piano but you know that any key on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:55   keyboard with your finger will make a noise you figured out the vocab the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:58   function of vocabulary the basic functional look at the end of a panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4798">TS</a>]

01:20:01   once you figure out how Windows work you can drag them but item are you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:04   resize them you can close them you can move them around you learn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:07   parameters that came with all the screen oh no I can't gonna get the towel bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:10   menu bar not less there's like a bug in the US which happens sometimes it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:17   really that much easier not don't think about the split view as like it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:20   cool kinda like you know how to use desktop computers think about it as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:23   you had the show somebody who had only ever used a smartphone how do you split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:28   view with their eyes glaze over in a bit like I don't get it and then secondarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:32   could they transfer those skills like if you say you show them how do you split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4832">TS</a>]

01:20:35   between a figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:36   could be useful for anything else they say now I can split view any two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:40   applications that would you have to show them again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:42   ok well this is useful if you but what if you want to come back to what will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:46   the same two things being something different in this book if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:49   multiple like I think it's already too complicated and still less capable now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:55   I'm not entirely sure about that but I'm that that's my sense of it so far is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4855">TS</a>]

01:21:00   that it's not like it's on its way to being as good as the Mac I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:04   it's not a game both the map and not really easier to explain that Windows I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:11   feel like it's a bad solution this point before I get there seems to be a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:15   baseline level of required complexity and that's not to say that for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:21   like multitasking that we have windows or slide over or everything's full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:25   screen like that's not to say that that these things cannot be improved upon but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:29   I do think there is a certain like ceiling that we cannot surpass of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:35   how simple can we make this because the the fundamental fact is these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:40   advanced concepts that they're going to have some inherent level of minimum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:44   complexity 00 we're going to have multiple things that are separate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:49   are running on the screen at once and is going to be some way to divide the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:53   screen space between them and there's gonna have to be able to pick out which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:57   ones to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:58   somehow figure out if you want to open them one of the time or if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:02   add multiple went to the screen in some way then figure out how to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:06   between them had a close certain ones or all of them like there's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:10   some baseline level of complexity to this no matter how its design the matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:14   what system it is there's going to therefore be some kind of basic learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:19   curve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:19   no matter how easy would make it so again this is this isn't to say that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:24   can't improved since we have now but I think people are assuming that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:29   some endgame here that we show that we are that we should be going for where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:33   anybody can just pick it up and all of a sudden it's perfect and that's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:37   were never going to reach that I think you're mistaking to witness and the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:41   parlance for just a better you are because you could say all the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:45   things back before the GUI existed some inherent complexity in a time-sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:50   system for multiple programs around the same time we're never gonna make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:54   easier because you know and then the GUI came along and it's like oh well I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:59   if you totally rethink things that I guess you can make it massively people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:04   still too complicated for all people but so much better you know like you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:09   there is no I don't think there's any limitation and you know the endgame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:13   obviously would be like you know some crazy neural interface readers think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:16   stuff and the magic happens there are already in game is stationed of human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:21   life and the computer take over anyway there's definitely an in-game many like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:24   it but but firm for things like interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:28   I think they're absolutely like I think that kind of thinking that that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:33   like there's a certain amount of complexity and there's no way we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:36   gonna make it simple as just absolutely the wrong way to look at this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:39   having lived through the GUI revolution having seen how that's why that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:43   we're not going in that was so brilliant dead it did find a way lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:48   try to find ways to do it and then finally did find a way through the use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:53   of metaphor and through what I've maintained as one of the best interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:57   ever the the spatial finder giving people an interface that played to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5037">TS</a>]

01:24:04   strengths of their of of the knowledge they have from living in the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:09   world and let them use those skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:11   manage this the virtual world of the computer in a way that wasn't possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:15   before and it made them much more capable didn't just make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:20   capabilities easier it made them it added new capabilities and what we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:24   is the next one of those revolution arguably the smartphone was the next one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:27   of those resolutions just happened to be in a constrained environment with a hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:32   in it and he carried around with you which will let us avoid a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:36   more difficult problems it was a very difficult problem in itself that guy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:39   the second removing the smartphone right making computing making people be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:43   to do some computers people who couldn't be used for making you not even think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5083">TS</a>]

01:24:46   it as a computer but in the larger round we still have these other computers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:50   that have changed into this incredibly capable general purpose they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:54   resulting still complicated so that is the next frontier so I don't I'm not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:59   fatalistic as you are about to get there is some inherent complexity and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:04   are going to change but really truly believe there absolutely is a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:07   leverage for humans are good at to let them do all the things they do a desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:12   computers in an easier way to go back a step it is absolutely insane to me john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:18   that you would take windows as the introduction to multiple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:25   happening at the same time to me the iPad multitasking interface is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5125">TS</a>]

01:25:30   easier to understand and makes so much more sense yet it's it's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:35   weirder in that there's not a lot of visual cues as to what to do but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:39   every other measure put measurable way I feel like it is so much easier and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:43   for your daughter to to be confused by Windows that's not terribly surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:48   to me but I think if you had done the reverse and started on the iPad and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:52   said tomorrow will this is kinda like the iPad but you can have more than just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:55   too and you know you don't have to do some weird gesture that slide them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5155">TS</a>]

01:26:00   around you just have to grab it move it I feel like that would have made a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:04   more sense to her to me i i think you're looking at the iPad interface as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:10   dumbing down of windowing whereas I see even though this obviously is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:15   chronologically the reverse I feel like windowing is an extension of the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:21   simple iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:22   and it's a much easier paradigm to understand and yes it's not discoverable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:28   once you've discovered it is so simple to use and it seems like it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:34   lot of the problems that people have with windowing systems I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:38   they would have them with the iPad I mean this is all guessing I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:42   evidence of never ask my parents hey how do you have to do you absolutely that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5202">TS</a>]

01:26:46   same time the iPad this is all supposition but it just seems so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:49   more logical to me than than the phar-mor inscrutable task of managing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:53   windows up again on the learnability into it is does it really matter how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:58   use their first what matters is after you show them how to do it does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5218">TS</a>]

01:27:02   translate into sort of a new paradigm does he give them skills and vocabulary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:06   that they can be used to manage complexity in their life like not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:10   computer complexity but the complexity whatever do everything is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:13   using the computer to do you want to you know there's always going to be some did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:19   you know that at the same from the old days the only thing that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:23   intuitive as the nipple everything else is learned and so into it is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:28   read Harry right all you want is something that most people can learn in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:33   a reasonable amount of time and that after they learn it it gives them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5253">TS</a>]

01:27:36   toolset because it defines a sort of understandable world that lets them use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:40   those skills to solve problems so you can totally see how the GUI the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:46   going in particular gay people that vocabulary all applications work the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:50   same menu bar as always all the windows work the same scrollbars workers and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5270">TS</a>]

01:27:54   mouse works the same as a simple click double clip and then adding that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:58   click and everything like that that was a toolset I don't think the split you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5278">TS</a>]

01:28:02   think it's a vocabulary that works in that way because it doesn't create I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5282">TS</a>]

01:28:08   don't think there is an easily sort of there's no there's no user model is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:12   mental model that people can latch onto for that mostly because this kind of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:16   really an analog in the physical world because they like or what because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:20   paradigm for iOS thus far has been the thing is the app the app is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:24   and that is totally a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5304">TS</a>]

01:28:25   paradigm that people can hang onto you want to go back to the place where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:29   the other things are hit the home button and then when the thing goes it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:33   device that the simple one but that is a very solid paradigm that what is powered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:37   the the smartphone revolution you know this incredibly good iPhone user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:42   interface paradigm split view I think does not fit with the old paradigm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:46   doesn't give the user a vocabulary mental model that think they can then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:50   parlay into now I can I can solve any problem because I know house but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:56   just more like a weird feature this added on top of the old system like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5336">TS</a>]

01:28:59   again didn't have to do with learnability are having to explain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:03   it's just that it just seems like it is not a peace with the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:06   interface it is attacked on kind of thing but I don't think represents a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:11   interface paradigm and therefore they haven't actually solve the problem he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:15   and I think that we fundamentally disagree is to me the only thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:20   you should be able to accomplish by understanding and rocking split the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:24   the iPad is being able to put two arbitrary ops next to each other that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:29   this I don't care of that lets you leap into new worlds and go out into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:33   great unknown and apply this knowledge all I care about is can kill your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:37   daughter have safari in notes next to each other and then later on can she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:40   have YouTube and and sleep next to each other but she has to understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:45   they're no longer next to each other or something else and that's something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:48   or how long they're expected to be next to each other like you know me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5388">TS</a>]

01:29:51   there's so many questions surrounding that in terms of like what what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:55   paradigm what is the user model what is the mental model how does this work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:58   just because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5398">TS</a>]

01:29:58   just because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:00   I know how it I'm using this application I can make another appear if there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:03   actual understanding or it really is no solid paradigm underneath then every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:07   time you some other application you're faced with why is the thing that next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5407">TS</a>]

01:30:11   it now I just go through its a motion I knew before I think next to it why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:15   this text that now I know how to get rid of the thing and it becomes it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:19   you're fighting with the computer instead of helping your not using it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:22   a tool to help you solve a problem is just like every time you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:26   capability but when it doesn't work the way you expected to work because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5426">TS</a>]

01:30:30   have a different model of like the persistence or the or how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:33   interaction between the different applications is when they're not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5433">TS</a>]

01:30:36   way you can step into screen a few times to make it be that way but it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:41   not like it's not as straightforward as the the windows model which again people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:45   are good at least as an understandable model you make the window size you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:49   to put them there were you want III at face value like that's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:52   enough rope to hang yourself because you don't know what size they should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5452">TS</a>]

01:30:55   aware you put them on Steve Jobs thing you have to be the janitor you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:59   put things where you want them I don't want you to be the general well whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:02   your gender not everyone can understand the model of windows is the model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:06   doesn't help them manage their complexity than I could imagine windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5466">TS</a>]

01:31:09   which is why windows are generally a failure but I just don't feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:12   but do you give any kind of understandable model gives a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5472">TS</a>]

01:31:16   capability not as much as multiple windows but does not give you a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:20   model for managing complexity going forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5480">TS</a>]

01:31:22   denied I still disagree with you but I I don't know either of us could be right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:28   on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:28   you can find a way to find out is as you see people using iPads that increasingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:32   capable but you see how many people you see using split for you are using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:36   competently well see I think that's two very different discussions right using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:40   split view as I said it's not terribly discoverable so that's one thing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:44   using a confidently that's where I think that's that is what will differentiate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5504">TS</a>]

01:31:48   which one of us is right because of somebody stumbles upon it and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5508">TS</a>]

01:31:51   oh god what has happened and then is trying it is obviously trying to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:55   what happens there what have you and it's not working ok then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:57   absolutely right it's it's completely inscrutable but if someone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5517">TS</a>]

01:32:01   discovered split the you end up without too much effort is now using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:04   confidently then I think then that indicates that I'm right and that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:07   really is useful and it really is a paradigm that they've learned to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:10   them get work done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:11   it may still be useful but like we all agree that is less capable the mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:14   windows if only because it's only two things right so yeah like the company's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:18   something is like if you see something using you see someone doing their work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:21   in a cafe in the same way you see them using a Mac now even whether the using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:24   full screen in the swiping between which by the way I've seen a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:27   younger people I work with their very confident in that because they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5547">TS</a>]

01:32:30   smartphone generation I guess like they do full screen everything on a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:33   laptops they do do the multi finger swipe between the applications but I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:36   is incredibly inefficient but what they basically doing is turning them back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:39   into a paradigm that they understand because windows are difficult to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:42   but for split view you want to see somebody like during during their task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5562">TS</a>]

01:32:49   using split views to help make their task more if not just once but you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5569">TS</a>]

01:32:53   they keep permanently in the whole thing is like I need to have slackened forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:57   and ever and ever amen I wish I could tell the OS two never launched into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5577">TS</a>]

01:33:01   launch them as a single application that is a super degenerate case using it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:05   you but just to say that there there arbitrarily putting applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5585">TS</a>]

01:33:10   other as is appropriate for the task they're doing if it's too difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:14   rearrange to put this thing next thing that makes this thing then people won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:17   do it and they'll be like well it's too it's too onerous to constantly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:23   way that people find it to understand here and Windows is to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:25   whatever reason so therefore I'm just gonna have once with you and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:29   else is non slip you and I would say that's not a competent use of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:32   anyway even if they're using split views like that even if the using them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:36   always put the two most convenient application expertise they need any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5616">TS</a>]

01:33:39   moment in time and they have no problem doing in its second nature and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:42   don't think about it it's very intuitive that's still a two things at once and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5622">TS</a>]

01:33:46   it's still worth it but it's worse by your metric of how many thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:51   things can I get distracted by a ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:54   know it's worse because we know people need to do more than one thing at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:57   and windows are a failure because people can't use them to do more than some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5637">TS</a>]

01:34:01   people can use the same people were trying to talking and aggregates I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:04   obviously all of us can use Windows to do more than two things at once we do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:07   all the time but most people when they deal with computers are not successfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:12   that which means windows a successful for the people who are good at using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5652">TS</a>]

01:34:16   computers in the old way of like you you know computers but worse for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5656">TS</a>]

01:34:20   S smartphones I would say pretty much a hundred percent of the population is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:24   successful at both using and and installing applications I pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:28   think we've solved that they're not that improve but we've hit the mainstream in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5668">TS</a>]

01:34:34   that are you are you using smartphones do you know smartphones very few people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5674">TS</a>]

01:34:38   say that my singing like developing for hacking them that everybody knows how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:42   launch the Facebook app to send text messages like we have crossed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5682">TS</a>]

01:34:46   effectively hundred-percent barrier there we are not even come close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:50   crossing that at the can I use a general-purpose computing device to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5690">TS</a>]

01:34:53   arbitrate things and so we're still struggling to get larger adoption then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:57   we have with the world of PCs and Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5697">TS</a>]

01:35:01   agree with you that this that the smartphone fullscreen everything model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5701">TS</a>]

01:35:05   is pretty pretty close to ideally usable for a lot of people but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:11   windowing model is doing a lot better in practice then you're giving it credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5711">TS</a>]

01:35:15   for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5715">TS</a>]

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01:35:39   basis are able to figure out when doing enough to do this to do what they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5739">TS</a>]

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01:36:00   system like that and it's obviously it's the reason everybody found smartphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5760">TS</a>]

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01:36:12   been sort of muddling through on their PCs at work or whatever is not there on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:17   on the smartphone there there are no files and folders this no saved button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5777">TS</a>]

01:36:21   there's no desktop that it was just got rid of all that stuff and so even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:26   they could you know he managed with PCs are calling the PC interface like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:31   failure in the sense of like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5791">TS</a>]

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01:36:37   compared it to people's reactions smartphones like smartphones anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:40   considered computers like it is is is a discontinuity of it transcended the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:44   of a general-purpose computers it right the people do get by doing all they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5804">TS</a>]

01:36:48   us to full screen and playing minesweeper and click around their web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:52   browser in the web is another paradigm co-manager paradigm I like licking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5812">TS</a>]

01:36:55   underlined words and stuff that was another simple enough one that was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:57   successful but it's it's not like the PC or Mac is a dead end but we've clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5817">TS</a>]

01:37:05   pushed the limit of how many people are going to feel comfortable using that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:10   interface not to its false but just even in a merely competent way like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:15   they're people who used like a computer every day for multiple decades who still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5835">TS</a>]

01:37:20   have no idea where there anything I can navigate the file system in are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:23   terrified by an open box and especially want everything to be either in that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:26   place they know how to get to on the desktop or something that shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:29   interfaces not succeeding that's not the way it's supposed to work whereas people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:34   are using smartphones essentially the way they're supposed to work under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:37   sort of a very simplified iOS paradigm of the Big Red of icons a swipe between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:41   a launch until the screen like they're not using that the phones into jericho [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:45   they're using the bones that way they were designed whereas the maximum dose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:48   of people are modeling 309 everybody not the people that we know but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:54   entire mass of humanity like thing everybody's a whole yeah I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5874">TS</a>]

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01:38:33   your email host or the servers you run like that so far it like for instance I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:37   use fast now and I'm a post and you know a lot of people do this on servers at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5917">TS</a>]

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01:38:46   even when you're a mail server so you put mail route in front of your mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5926">TS</a>]

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01:40:34   new iPad pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6034">TS</a>]

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01:41:03   is so big and a software is so not taking advantage of it yet these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:09   will change over time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:10   you know i mean the bigness won't but in overtime software will take more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:13   advantage of it I would say if you're not in a huge hurry getting next year's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6073">TS</a>]

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01:41:24   improvements would be for these things simply because not only will the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:28   hardware probably be a little better maybe it'll add some cool stuff like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6088">TS</a>]

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01:41:35   for both Apple and third-party developers to write its offer for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6095">TS</a>]

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01:41:53   be if you are already a heavy iPad you somebody like federico VTG if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:59   already are able to do a ton of your work or all of your work on an iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:04   you already are doing things like using third-party keyboards with it and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6124">TS</a>]

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01:42:14   styluses to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6134">TS</a>]

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01:42:27   things about the iPad have prevented you from getting into it as a serious party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:34   device for your work I don't think this will change that at least not yet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:40   maybe down the road it will once the software gets there but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6160">TS</a>]

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01:42:48   iPad areas such as the virus with a pen something that could change everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6168">TS</a>]

01:42:54   mean right now if you want this awesome pencil input you have to get the giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:59   iPad and solely for me if I were to ever get into pencil stuff I would much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6179">TS</a>]

01:43:04   rather have the iPad air sized one start doing art snacks if you don't need an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6184">TS</a>]

01:43:10   iPad this and you actually paint brushes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:12   tough I know but the equivalent of like just having a small task that someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:16   else and you to do to draw something for the day you know I'd rather just played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:21   pictionary no actually I actually I have kind of a fun idea for a game that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:27   might want to do but it would require the pencil and it would also require me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:31   to develop the game so I think this is like that that's going to be doing on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:38   and that's probably not gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6218">TS</a>]

01:43:39   combination of flight control the world go do something fun actually know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6219">TS</a>]

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01:43:51   take any other person set up barriers to quickly drawn between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6231">TS</a>]

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01:44:16   accidental accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:23   case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:27   it was accidental and Markel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6267">TS</a>]

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01:45:33   car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6333">TS</a>]

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01:45:37   car they're worse than that then you to spend $1000 to be repaired and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6337">TS</a>]

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01:46:50   assure you I was in dollars it's not it's $900 of all states money and $100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6410">TS</a>]

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01:47:08   problem that you have john is that you drive in an area that doesn't believe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6428">TS</a>]

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01:47:19   over the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6439">TS</a>]

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01:47:25   anything else because the parking garage at work has spots in the painting lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6445">TS</a>]

01:47:29   in the spots that they made the like motorcycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6449">TS</a>]

01:47:32   bit more spots in the parking garage that way and because it is not a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6452">TS</a>]

01:47:37   heart a full-size car but it's not human and I swear everytime I park I am making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6457">TS</a>]

01:47:42   decisions about how many inches on either side of that yet the judge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6462">TS</a>]

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01:47:53   the guy back since then I gotta figure out if he's a bad person then his drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6473">TS</a>]

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01:48:03   perfectly and then looking at the type of car parking in two cars how likely is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6483">TS</a>]

01:48:07   this person to be one of those people who doesn't even look at the swings the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6487">TS</a>]

01:48:10   car door open and Janzen it anyway everyone has things they want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6490">TS</a>]

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01:49:32   unpleasant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6572">TS</a>]

01:49:34   would probably never do this from a stoplight at like flooring like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6574">TS</a>]

01:49:39   like it like hit you in the face so hard with with inertia that I just I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6579">TS</a>]

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01:50:54   that massive kick in the butt of turbocharged torque it is stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6654">TS</a>]

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01:51:28   in the middle version other then that extra big kick from from like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6688">TS</a>]

01:51:34   flooring it not only our wheels although we all options are on the same now I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6694">TS</a>]

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01:51:46   have any great meal options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6706">TS</a>]

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01:52:07   like premium quality wheels none of them do really but I think the at the base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6727">TS</a>]

01:52:12   model looks the least good of all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6732">TS</a>]

01:52:15   the the 1980 Silver cyclone is kind of a halfway point between everything now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6735">TS</a>]

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01:52:25   question is like how aggressive and supported you in your car to look also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6745">TS</a>]

01:52:29   I'm not quite sure I can pull off Finn 21 inch wheels on New York roads which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6749">TS</a>]

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01:52:42   like offering new obscenely large wheels cuz they look cool and everything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6762">TS</a>]

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01:53:20   care for blue cars for myself if it really is is being very supportive of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6800">TS</a>]

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01:53:39   mostly subtle to maximize the subtleties of this car the black be the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6819">TS</a>]

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