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00:00:27 ◼ ► the army or capturing a coffee table and you reaching for it and you feel around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/27">TS</a>]
00:00:31 ◼ ► to try to find it and you actually slide your fingers crossed touchpad while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/31">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► you're watching video that will move to play it on the video and many many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/35">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► people are going to tell us that if you hit the menu button it would just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/38">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► back to where it was when you move to play it doesn't actually start playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/42">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► again until you tell it to play but then you're so kind of pace with the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/46">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► situation about what I don't get to play head back to where I want to put I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/49">TS</a>]
00:00:52 ◼ ► think even have to put it back for a second of all if you actually do that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/52">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► you reaching for the remote and you slide your hands across touchpad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/56">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► it's it's the play had somewhere just hit the menu button it will go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/59">TS</a>]
00:01:03 ◼ ► where I think you probably also just hit you can't play anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/63">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► menu button the largest followed up by time I didn't know that in my one hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/67">TS</a>]
00:01:11 ◼ ► of using it but since then I have used it and it works have you used Plex yet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/71">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► haven't I keep meaning to install that having a solid I tend to think of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/77">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► kids in your complex I went through this big long painful experience installing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/80">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► cs4 on and was disappointed in the car on the main thing is you from installing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/83">TS</a>]
00:01:27 ◼ ► it is my Plex server would be my Synology but I use the des video server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/87">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► instead and the kids use the S Video Server like you can play video format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/91">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► from my television from 10 different places and I think I'd like to mess with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/96">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► that setup settings like by enabling Plex there's a potential attacker threw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/102">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► up my existing video thing or maybe it'll show biz today on a server anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/105">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► it shows up as 2d on a service because my dad uses neonate and he has Plex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/109">TS</a>]
00:01:55 ◼ ► running I believe posted on this knowledge if memory serves and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/115">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► two separate deal deal on a service for sure yeah so I'm always afraid to touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/119">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► what works especially if it involves things to my kids are using but I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/123">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► eventually tried really you should use force and trying to tell me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/126">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► it right what will fall to get out at some point maybe I'm I'm sure we get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/129">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► is just haven't done it yet trying to hold out tryna wait for the holiday is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/136">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► probably won't work we'll see what did you could say about their mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► disorder was interesting because I've seen a lot of things about the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/144">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► or about just technology in general where it's like we all the people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► understand that and only the kids you know truly understand it I thought one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/154">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► of my kids reaction to the new remote was interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/159">TS</a>]
00:02:43 ◼ ► they're used to having lots of different remote because i dont have a universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/163">TS</a>]
00:02:48 ◼ ► universal remote have a bunch of different modes they have learned more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/168">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► or less to navigate my crazy television set up to get what they want on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/171">TS</a>]
00:02:55 ◼ ► television the not really get into it they don't know how it works I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/175">TS</a>]
00:02:58 ◼ ► wanna know the minimum possible to get to work anyway I said here is the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/178">TS</a>]
00:03:02 ◼ ► Apple TV and I showed it to him and we're watching a video at some point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/182">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► they wanted to actually about themselves and just use the new Apple TV and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/186">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► didn't know what their most look like they used to the TiVo anyway given the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/190">TS</a>]
00:03:13 ◼ ► road and show it to them and immediately my daughter she was super angry that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/193">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► this remote do not work like she was just trying to navigate the great of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/200">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► items to you know go up and to the left then I was like I go over to Netflix why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/203">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► she was watching Netflix from the TIO 2 but anyway just moving the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/207">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► selection to the Netflix icon on the main screen using the touchpad did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/213">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► was not immediately apparent how that works like a charm swipe your thumb left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/218">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► a writer tap or whatever and she had so angers like I can't just be buns I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/222">TS</a>]
00:03:46 ◼ ► want to go out of their way to the biggest she was competent with the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/226">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► one she knows how to go up the TiVo remote I'm not overlapping she knows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/231">TS</a>]
00:03:55 ◼ ► to go about left left and then had been that but you know it's like and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/235">TS</a>]
00:03:59 ◼ ► tiny little remote was touring or it had taken away her skill and made her back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/239">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► into a novice and that is a phenomenon that we're all very familiar with in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/244">TS</a>]
00:04:08 ◼ ► adult world or the world of people who aren't in elementary school anyway where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/248">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► they have a set up computer skills that have been built up over many years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/252">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► the introduction of anything new even if the new thing is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/256">TS</a>]
00:04:20 ◼ ► seen as a threat to our as a bad thing because it puts them back into the role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/260">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► of novice they know how to use the old system they know how to use you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/264">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► particular interface or piece of hardware or software or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/269">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► that expert they started their expertise to feel like that it's not internalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/272">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► that is like I'm the company personnel how to do this job i cant whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/277">TS</a>]
00:04:40 ◼ ► whatever task to accomplish I can accomplish and I use it in any tool you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/280">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► give them the tools actually better once you learn it because it makes them feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/283">TS</a>]
00:04:47 ◼ ► like they can no longer do the tests they could really do that too is bad it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/287">TS</a>]
00:04:50 ◼ ► was amazing to me to see that happen in a year old and you know it's not where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/290">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► we're not that different people and the young people even an eight-year-old can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/295">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► be super angry that her hard-earned skills and using the the directional pad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/300">TS</a>]
00:05:05 ◼ ► in the Select button on TV remote can be erased in a moment by new technology is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/305">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► used to announce just like that but yeah Thnkx three seconds you learn how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/309">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► it it's like she was angry about it that day but now she's just like any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/316">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► follower we already done that if we are done that is world record follow-up I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/321">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► very proud of us and this has been doing more Apple TV gaming do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/326">TS</a>]
00:05:31 ◼ ► anything more to add on it yes oh so basically what happened between last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/331">TS</a>]
00:05:35 ◼ ► show in this show is that my family discovered that the Apple TV can in fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/335">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► be good gaming system because we discovered her body was discovered two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/340">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► badly and this is good because none of us had actually played it on iOS so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/344">TS</a>]
00:05:49 ◼ ► was all new to us bad land is a fantastic game for the Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/349">TS</a>]
00:05:53 ◼ ► have never even heard of this so it's it it looks it's kind of like the art style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/353">TS</a>]
00:05:58 ◼ ► of limbo but with color and and it's it's a scan of intricate really fancied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/358">TS</a>]
00:06:04 ◼ ► up version of the basic gameplay mechanic flapping bird and I this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/364">TS</a>]
00:06:09 ◼ ► minimizing its its goodness but it's like so you know you have you are this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/369">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► burden you like you push the button to go up and go the button to fall and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/373">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► notice that this kind of inertia biggest flying game and you can fly to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/378">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► side-scrolling levels and there's all sorts of different obstacles and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► that they changed behavior behavior things and you multiply in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/385">TS</a>]
00:06:31 ◼ ► device it's it's crazy it's just a really really good game and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/391">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► incredibly good even on the serum it we've actually tried it with the gamepad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/395">TS</a>]
00:06:40 ◼ ► and with the serum and we actually find its better with syria and I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/400">TS</a>]
00:06:44 ◼ ► explain why I don't know why is it tap to click click click click the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/404">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► it's just a but again it doesn't make sense I don't know why it's better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/410">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► for some reason just feels better it feels right on the serum feel weird to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/413">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► hold a traditional console style controller into hands in the only thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/418">TS</a>]
00:07:02 ◼ ► you're doing with his pressing one button with one thought maybe that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/422">TS</a>]
00:07:05 ◼ ► be it so anyway it really is a fantastic game I highly recommend it for any Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/425">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► TV owner it's accessible like you know kids can play it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/432">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► adult complete non gamers can play it it is really a very nice well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/436">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► came here like five bucks who cares just get it like it's it's really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/441">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► by far the best Apple TV gaming experience that we've had so far which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/445">TS</a>]
00:07:30 ◼ ► is think this looks at statically just reading the lyrics he's not reading but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/450">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► watching the little video on their website this looks as aesthetically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► lot like World of Goo Danny did either of you play that its and I and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/458">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► honestly I wouldn't expect we're gonna work is the life of a pointer but but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/463">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► is kind of in a net in a similar art style or maybe that maybe there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/467">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► of the influences on it certainly it it's just it's a gorgeous you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/471">TS</a>]
00:07:56 ◼ ► artistic design game it's really really and it's it's kind of funny that's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/476">TS</a>]
00:07:59 ◼ ► of sick like it's really good just get badly and there aren't that many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/479">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► you can do an Apple TV in a really excellent right now because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/484">TS</a>]
00:08:08 ◼ ► software to get to get ported or written for it this is one of those things this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/488">TS</a>]
00:08:12 ◼ ► highly recommended badly and there's another on those one button press games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/492">TS</a>]
00:08:17 ◼ ► yes because you know and designed for touch originally but lends itself well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/497">TS</a>]
00:08:22 ◼ ► because you are you are forced to go forward to like you there is no move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/502">TS</a>]
00:08:26 ◼ ► forward thing like isn't going for it is not like part of the gameplay itself and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/506">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► that the screen moves on whether you're ready or not so if you have to backtrack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/510">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► or something to get around outs to go and the screen is moving on to flock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/513">TS</a>]
00:08:40 ◼ ► a type of a type of game that I think traditional gamers who are used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/520">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► having more control over their environment might find off-putting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/524">TS</a>]
00:08:47 ◼ ► is ideal for the phone where you don't want to make someone try to use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/527">TS</a>]
00:08:50 ◼ ► virtual keypad and now on the AppleTV where we actually have a real D pad or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/530">TS</a>]
00:08:55 ◼ ► whatever we already have a game already tuned for single button press that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/535">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► button to block any of the screen so an ideal Apple TV part yet and it's and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/541">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► know it's it's watchable by people like it's fun to watch someone playing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/546">TS</a>]
00:09:09 ◼ ► like they did nothing about it needs to be on a personal device that's only in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/549">TS</a>]
00:09:15 ◼ ► your hands you know it's it really is very much like a a TV friendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/555">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► family-friendly general audience kind of game is just really good that I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/560">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► tried provenance more this week's in the province is that any later so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/565">TS</a>]
00:09:30 ◼ ► actually get on the App Store you it's one of those is one of them relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/570">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► few after I think that is published with the intention of everybody is open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/573">TS</a>]
00:09:38 ◼ ► source and to install it you have to download the source code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/578">TS</a>]
00:09:42 ◼ ► register for an Apple developer account have Xcode build the game and catcher TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/582">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► via USB to your computer and have Xcode installed the game onto your Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/589">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► with provisioning profiles generated from your developer account it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/594">TS</a>]
00:09:59 ◼ ► definitely not something that you can just like tell a a non developer to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/599">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► do this and how can expect them to figure it out they might but the chances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/604">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► are not great so it is very much a cumbersome process i kno flux delux they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/609">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► that I believe just how something similar for iPhones and iPads where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/616">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► they get they had this open source version that they say here you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/620">TS</a>]
00:10:24 ◼ ► can side load this with with Xcode developer account if you want this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/624">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► your own advice about jailbreaking something like that so it's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/629">TS</a>]
00:10:33 ◼ ► cumbersome process and then it's nerdy then you have to like you have to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/633">TS</a>]
00:10:37 ◼ ► to import your wrongs that you want to play any later and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/637">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► like create a web interface and usually go from your Mac and upload them and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/641">TS</a>]
00:10:46 ◼ ► it's you know it's definitely a little bit cumbersome to get setup but when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/646">TS</a>]
00:10:50 ◼ ► is set up you have an emulator on your Apple TV and it covers all the popular 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/650">TS</a>]
00:10:54 ◼ ► and 16 bit systems it doesn't go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/654">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► 764 or anything more advanced I think it stops at like super nintendo in Genesis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/657">TS</a>]
00:11:02 ◼ ► level but it is really quite good at you know I've have played better emulators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/662">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► if you have a computer with a gamepad on your computer you can do a lot better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/668">TS</a>]
00:11:14 ◼ ► it lacks a lot of customizable control that a lot of employers have you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/674">TS</a>]
00:11:18 ◼ ► for example the controls so if you don't like how they hadn't at the buttons on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/678">TS</a>]
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00:23:36 ◼ ► months ago it's not like this was announced last week and we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:39 ◼ ► really impatient this is announced two months ago and it just barely shipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1419">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► apparently and they couldn't even get the store stock with the really critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:49 ◼ ► accessories like that that just seems like a botched launch to me and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1429">TS</a>]
00:23:54 ◼ ► like the operations guy is running the company how does like how does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1434">TS</a>]
00:23:58 ◼ ► happen I don't know I'm probably being too too critical of this but it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1438">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► does put a damper on it when you go to the store all happy to get this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► device that you could do this cool new thing with and then he says oh you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:13 ◼ ► you know that's that's a bummer for you but what does that mean in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1453">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► things that happen here is about does it mean fewer sales I did see a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:22 ◼ ► people today I i treated early in the morning like you know this and I did see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1462">TS</a>]
00:24:27 ◼ ► a number of people responding saying that they were going to go pick up an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1467">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► iPad for a david says they can't get a pencil or just going to wait until I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► so they're just delaying the sales you know they're still gonna sell those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► probably but they they lose be delayed but I have to imagine first of all Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:42 ◼ ► really wants a big opening weekend they want to be able to Brad they sold X [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1482">TS</a>]
00:24:46 ◼ ► million iPads in a weekend if if they do you know so its gonna hurt them in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1486">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► way but also there is a certain degree of like right now there's an ersatz day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► one and people are really excited about it and they want to get it maybe some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► people who were on the fence about whether they wanted to get it maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► now won't get it is maybe it as the center should die down over the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► three to four weeks before they can get the accessory that they want maybe in at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► time they'll actually you know what maybe I don't really need this anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:13 ◼ ► you know it it's going to be a massive portion of their sales but I do think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1513">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► well so how does that balance with the other side of it I think happened with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:21 ◼ ► the watch there are positive aspects of things not being available there is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1521">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► essentially you know that this project playing hard to get it makes you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► even more because you can't get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► it there is for the people who weren't even that interested in it there is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► story about people I don't wanna watch but people who do one watches are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► able to find them it's the Cabbage Patch doll phenomenon like a while is not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► really popular because people really wanted it sold out everywhere and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► creates a positive buzz about it and then finally passes like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► someone finally got a modern buckle right as soon as these products trickle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1556">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► out when they're ready to ship or whatever you get repeat stories I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:05 ◼ ► we've already covered seven times that he was the first person to have a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1565">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► link bracelet is the first person have a modern buckle so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► not that I'm saying Apple is doing an impressive purpose like it's artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► scarcity totally seems like this is just sit at the table to manufacture them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:18 ◼ ► volume they ship them but I would say it but against the idea of someone being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1578">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► disappointed they can get what they want and then just saying well never mind and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► balance that against the positive effects the perceived desirability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► value and the repeat press on the sort of the trickle of stuff coming out so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► have to think I think that's bad for it not to launch all ones mostly just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► because it reflects poorly on the company and might give someone a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► impression about Apple but I think overall I don't think it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► hurting their cells as long as I mean obviously as long as by the house by 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► hottest come as long as everybody wants to get an iPad pro with a pencil for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► holidays can get one they make up that close cuz that's where you can actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1617">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► hurt themselves because things are seasonal like that if they miss the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► holidays obviously they've really messed up as long as they make the holidays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► with a reasonable amount of time I think people like in their pencils for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► couple weeks is not that big a deal the main main thing I'm annoyed about as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► lazy person stay the whole time is I seem to remember in the old days that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► Apple would if not favor online orders then to the very least sort of give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► equal footing we're now with the Apple TV experiences myself I ordered Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► and before my Apple TV arrived to me they were already showing up in stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► so rather than you know like and so now I bet if you were to order a pencil now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► you'd get it sometime within the delivery window but then this weekend if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:40 ◼ ► you go into a big apple story may be able to pick one up if you just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1660">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► and so it's definitely favoring retail it seems over a mail-order yeah and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:49 ◼ ► that's again like the Apple TV it was not it was not a big box but it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1669">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► hurt a ton of stories like that from people who are ordered online and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:57 ◼ ► they had some weird shipping issues they didn't ship on time and then that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1677">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► just makes sense I'm saying this is doing a nice because I stayed home but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:06 ◼ ► people who are online who are those people they had it's better to be with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1686">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► him in this store is because most people just like wandering the mall to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► Apple store in a wandering they have no idea when a product launch or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:17 ◼ ► about its only US you like the second it's available online because we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1697">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► want to do the action that we think is going to give us the product as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► possible to retain their children at heart right and I was like 30 min order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► no one else is like that no one knows many things are they just like they go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► to the Apple store and the new iPhone 5 on their not ok well check back next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► weekend all the air out of his new Apple TV they don't know or care of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► launch so it's much better to have them available in store for sort of impulse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► purchases behaving wandered to the Apple store and see what's available as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► opposed to trying to cater to people to stay up till 3 a.m. daughter phone I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:53 ◼ ► don't know that just the whole thing it just it just put a damper on you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1733">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► like it it's not that doesn't ruin things it's not going to kill their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1737">TS</a>]
00:29:00 ◼ ► sales but it just puts a damper on on the enthusiasm it's like oh this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1740">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► you know it's it's been a pioneer in the restaurant doesn't even know the IPRO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:11 ◼ ► exists in knowing the ads are running a TV and when they want to turn on TV but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1751">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► I think people perfectly acceptable accepting of seeing an ad on TV for cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:19 ◼ ► Apple thing than wandering into the Apple store and saying is that things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1759">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► son and friend TVA and having a pasar say no we don't have those now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:26 ◼ ► alright and I'll come back next weekend like that's that's how I feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1766">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► vast vast majorities of Apple sales operate a pen i understand all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► being said I was able to try the pencil and smart Keyboard in the store because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► they had a demo one that liked some of the staff were playing without loud on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:47 ◼ ► the on the floor and ceiling fan and i got to put the two they they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1787">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► I offered to sell to me but one million dollars for one night but there are 400 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1793">TS</a>]
00:30:00 ◼ ► my god that's a reference I know it's a reference we saw a movie together yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1800">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► actually never seen the movie but I know what if it isn't so I will say having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► now played with the pencil and keyboard very briefly i mean this I had about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► five minutes with the pencil and I in about two minutes of the keyboard I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► say the keyboard is not as bad as I expected I expected to be terrible as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:29 ◼ ► heard it had similar case which is tonight book one and possibly even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1829">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► he filled the network one I think it's probably about the same maybe a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:40 ◼ ► bit better even I don't know it didn't feel as horrible to me the netbook one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1840">TS</a>]
00:30:45 ◼ ► but it was very very close doesn't matter you know it's it's an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1845">TS</a>]
00:30:48 ◼ ► keyboard it's going to be a compromise and a lot of it that's that's fine I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1848">TS</a>]
00:30:52 ◼ ► know there is a Logitech one Apple stores or even selling it they they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1852">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► that in stock they were out of stock of every other iPod accessory including the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1857">TS</a>]
00:31:04 ◼ ► now two separate like now the Smart Case is only the back part that's weird and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1864">TS</a>]
00:31:11 ◼ ► so if you want both the back and the front covered you have to buy both parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1871">TS</a>]
00:31:16 ◼ ► for a total of $150 yeah so that's that's annoying like it's it's almost as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1876">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► expensive as by the keyboard which covered both teams anyway the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► was very securely attached it only really hold the iPad in one angle though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► as far as I could tell I I wasn't sure if you can adjust at all it seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► it was fixed to this one particular angle it would hold that you can show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► the pencil behind it because nobody called the iPad Ford put the pencil in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► yeah I mean this is going to be kind of product where there's a huge opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► here for third parties to make way better kisses and keyboards that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► did because you're gonna want a place to put the pencil and there isn't one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1917">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► anywhere on the iPad anywhere in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:05 ◼ ► any of Apple's cases you know it's similar to how the iPad 1 just kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1925">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► they had that terrible grade like wraparound case and the iPhone just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:15 ◼ ► clearly not designed with the case in mind at all this kind of threw it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1935">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► that's have a pencil feels today which is like here's this this awesome thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► that almost everyone has a lot of people are going to want for this iPad and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:27 ◼ ► iPad was seemingly designed with no regard to how this thing would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1947">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► be kept on or near or in the iPad as then more and pointed out today cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► behind your ear is too heavy for that first of all I think it's so it is heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► it's not like uncomfortably heavy it doesn't feel like a lightweight pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► or or or plastic styles it feels dense and it is not too heavy but almost two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► years can take it but it really does feel incredibly good use a pencil I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1975">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► would say the keyboard if i if i were really into this thing myself I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► probably not going to be but if I was going to myself I would probably skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► the keyboard but I would definitely get a pencil because I'm not an artist of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► any kind I have no illustrative abilities at all I hardly ever hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► write anything this made me want to hand write things and draw diagrams and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:25 ◼ ► become some kind of artist even I probably won't ever be the pencil is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2005">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► great and combining it with palm rejection other touch input everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:36 ◼ ► I could not in my five minutes using it I never encountered an error in thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2016">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► that attacks was the pencil or rejecting the pump properly like it it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► flawless in they were using the Adobe Adobe sketch something and over sketches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► that that's that's what we were using to to draw it and it worked very well there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► is a little bit of lag still but it is the best stylist / you know pen tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:05 ◼ ► thing for computer by far the best I've ever seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2045">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► not not even close way better than then the Wacom tablet i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► way better than any previous iPad or iPhone stylus that I've tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► it just completely different experience far better I was able to rest my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► pokémon it flat on a table and just right just hand write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:26 ◼ ► agreements in his in his review which is very good he mentioned that he detested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2066">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► by drawing his signature and they're like $20 savings on most touch devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► or like 10 terminals in stores it always looks horrible crazy and he said like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:41 ◼ ► the iPad perot it looked like his real handwritten signature in my very brief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2081">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► testing here I'd try tried handwriting things like to share a few sentences and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► it looked just like my handwriting on paper it is incredibly good I wish I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► a reason to use it and right now I don't think I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2096">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► time for you tomorrow if you haven't already because there are two videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► related to this topic in the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► tweets from Steve stress saying he was not impressed with the pencil agencies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► so it's to give because we're stupid and they might take a look at that and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► at his video I don't know I can't tell what happens using their but the leg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2116">TS</a>]
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00:37:31 ◼ ► perhaps hopes that is perhaps the dawning of the mass market era of pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:35 ◼ ► computing as it was that that started with Windows for Penn whatever the grid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2255">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► pad or that started with the servicer but never really it remains to be seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:44 ◼ ► popularized the pen to any significant degree but in all cases I think pen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2264">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► input is not yet at the level has not crossed the threshold that the mouse did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► when the Mac was introduced because the mouse type input devices before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2276">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► after the Mac but one of the things that the Mac has been excellent that from day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2282">TS</a>]
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00:38:13 ◼ ► it's a seemingly direct connection and that was very important to the dawning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► of the back to making a maxi like an active one of the reasons that like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2296">TS</a>]
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00:38:27 ◼ ► program to make their mouse cursors corrupt like it's not like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► program your application badly the mouse cursor won't be responsible not drawing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► with the messages you could screw that up because the original packaging to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► draw with the fancy brush tool it'll be a leg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:41 ◼ ► talk about the mass itself just moving the cursor around that stayed solid is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2321">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► nothing you could do an application to screw that up on the short of crashing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► your grandma desk or something like it even given that they tended to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:54 ◼ ► smoothly always experience the crash with the entire computer is frozen but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2334">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► the mouse cursor still works that's an important part of the sort of physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:02 ◼ ► interface to computers with the mouse is the reliability of you move the mouse or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2342">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► trackpad and the cursor is also by the way why it's so incredibly disconcerting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► when your mouse cursor freezes it happened many times many more times in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:17 ◼ ► the bad old days of classic Mac OS it almost feels like the world is broken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2357">TS</a>]
00:39:21 ◼ ► for a second where you move your mouse in the cursor doesn't move you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2361">TS</a>]
00:39:25 ◼ ► something that it's like you've been knocked off kilter something that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2365">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► inviolate this constraint of the world that you believed in the move the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► cursor moves well for pen computing or any kind of pain in foot to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► become as sort of second nature and boring as mouse input is now a days we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:42 ◼ ► have to eventually get past the idea that the response in this will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2382">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► different if different the Pentagon spends not a pointing device PIN is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2388">TS</a>]
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00:40:04 ◼ ► moving things around and clicking and pointing but the pen it's not a pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2404">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► device there is no cursor on the screen is entirely about drunk so I want all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:12 ◼ ► pen input to be you know like the second video are better and it's clear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2412">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► we're not quite there yet which is kind of a shame but this is early days of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► cease-fire that was concerned with the pen input of the Newton sitting on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2422">TS</a>]
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00:40:37 ◼ ► wrong with your mouse freezes imagine how weird it is when not only the mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2437">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► frozen but your mouse button doesn't exist anymore because it's a software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2441">TS</a>]
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00:40:49 ◼ ► pro that I have for work and it is weird so you just pretty just press and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► little vibrator thing doesn't vibrate underneath incorrect so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► played a class nothing happens and that's one like everything is broken on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2458">TS</a>]
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00:41:05 ◼ ► indicator that everything is broken but on the downside this thing that that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► forget is all software suddenly stops working and it's very weird and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► other thing I want to throw out is after I believe after the iPad pro was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► announced I'd remembered seeing something about Lake advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:21 ◼ ► multi-touch or something like that I went back and watched the WBC session on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2481">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► it and the link in the show notes its session 233 I believe and it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2485">TS</a>]
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00:42:06 ◼ ► apps because the way they handle it can change very very dramatically depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2526">TS</a>]
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00:46:48 ◼ ► or magazines reeeeally as much space as possible but just like for reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► regular column articles or iBooks look kind of ridiculous on it to be honest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:57 ◼ ► because you don't seem to offer margin control the fun sized up though that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2817">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► because it lets you do let's you have the keep the same number of words per [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► line but make the text way bigger so it's easy to see ya but then holding it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► back further I mean you know people have your eyes will go eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► and you are absolutely i mean you know if you if you actually need a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► size just to make it legible in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► inaccessibility reasons that's a different story but if you have vision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► within the within the normal range and you don't need to be really huge I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:37 ◼ ► say in general that the other iPads are better reading devices for that reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2857">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► this is obviously better for video welfare for reading though what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► want to have to put it that's a terrible idea why would you want to do it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► don't have to put air in slack in in the same thing split each one gets a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► reasonable size column like your thinking as if the screen is one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► that the application can fill in Apple hasn't done much to dissuade you from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► that notion but they have at least cut the screen and half or thirds or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► whatever so I think you have to in considering software which granted I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► sure you add to this is not an updated very well for the iPad pro in sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:15 ◼ ► looks ridiculous at very least you can say all right well it may not be good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2895">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► reading experience for this thing but that's only because I'm letting it have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► the whole screen one another by the screen about something else other thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► and now have two good reading experiences at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:29 ◼ ► yeah I mean that's that's kind of the idea but like one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2909">TS</a>]
00:48:32 ◼ ► made iPads and and e-readers so good for reading books compared to computers is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2912">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► that you could only do that one thing on the screen you could fill up the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:42 ◼ ► with one reading app and you liked it right nobody reads books on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2922">TS</a>]
00:48:47 ◼ ► computers for the most part because you these giant screens that are feeling a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2927">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► little windows all these distractions and it's not a very good reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► environment for that that's why people don't read books and computers and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:59 ◼ ► one of the reasons I think the main reason is that it's uncomfortable to sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2939">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► at a desk staring at screens and radio ok similarly it's uncomfortable to hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► this iPad app for a long time because it is it is not light or small and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► know different reviewers have agreed industry in this point that I've seen so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► some of them say it's ok some of them say you know tips initial impression my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:21 ◼ ► initial impression so far is that it's it's pretty heavy to hold up for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2961">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► you want to have it on some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► you know propped up case or desk or stand or something you know not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:34 ◼ ► holding it up in bed for a long time or anything like that so as for suffer a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2974">TS</a>]
00:49:39 ◼ ► lot of things like if you've ever done anything on an iPad and it and the D [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2979">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► smallness of the iPad screen has been a limiting factor for you then this will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► be an improvement that's not true for everything and you're not going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:53 ◼ ► patients speaking of that recently tweeted a picture of having his tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2993">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► was the Texas living the dream and when you have as I Pad Pro showing a comic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► book and next to it as a comic book which you could see you could take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► physical comic book and basically place it on the screen and it was pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► exactly the same size screen so if your comments reader and you're tired looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► at comics either shrunken or cropped you can't get to page side-by-side but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► least now you can get one full-size real-life comic book page at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► one-to-one ratio on your iPad for oh yeah and and you know for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:26 ◼ ► like people who like mark-up PDFs this would be great for them because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3026">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► like you know you want you want to be like kind of life size or close to it at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► least and the tenant iPad was almost but not quite the right size to do that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:39 ◼ ► you know stuff lately there are there are things that are going better on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3039">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► for sure and it would be a lot of those things but what i'm saying is it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► everything is better on it and and I it's important if you're thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► when the device is important to know that going in I'm just because certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► things there is such a thing as too big of a screen for certain things and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► you you might hit that but as you as you alluded to earlier John one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► bigger challenges up front here is that iOS while it's nice to have things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:09 ◼ ► the split of you and slide over and everything these features are pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3069">TS</a>]
00:51:14 ◼ ► basic so far they they still especially things like what the slide over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3074">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► Apple launching experience they're behaving like a girl who's giant long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:22 ◼ ► list of these ads that are capable of doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3082">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► like this interface I don't know who designs interface because it should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► been obvious to anybody that as soon as you have more than a handful of absence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► support this feature this does not work very well but anyway there are there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:43 ◼ ► and things have taken a big screen in iOS but the iPad has always kind of been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3103">TS</a>]
00:51:49 ◼ ► the second class citizen of iOS it is always gotten oftentimes delayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3109">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► hardware capabilities or less good hardware in certain ways that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3115">TS</a>]
00:52:00 ◼ ► cameras are never as good as the iPhone cameras a context ideally the new one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3120">TS</a>]
00:52:05 ◼ ► even the iPad 40 as the reviews have noted doesn't have the technology center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3125">TS</a>]
00:52:09 ◼ ► from the success that the good new one it has the slower old one from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3129">TS</a>]
00:52:13 ◼ ► iPhone 5s and six and that seems crazy this is a new flagship iOS device that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3133">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► there there is a substantially better touch I D sensor that launched two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► months ago and I prohibit any 03 touch it doesn't have either that that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:30 ◼ ► because they couldn't get to work on the big screen that's a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3150">TS</a>]
00:52:32 ◼ ► understandable i think is like you can see the challenges involved there but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3152">TS</a>]
00:52:36 ◼ ► D sensor make sense to though because the volumes because how many like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3156">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► not I don't think there is an entire world that vendors making studies and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► i think there's a limited number of people who even can make it may be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► patent encumbered or whatever who has the ability manufacturers expertise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:53 ◼ ► the iPhone just so damn high volume that it's going to get every single one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3173">TS</a>]
00:52:56 ◼ ► those things that they can manufacture for the foreseeable future that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3176">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► know if that's true but that is a plausible explanation as to why why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► wouldn't you know what the iPhone observing because it has to be that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► the most important product and if there's any part that is in limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► supply iPhone gets it and don't even bother don't even worry about the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► just give them the old sensor doesn't even matter the iPhone is it matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► because if you have to think of a part on the iPhone that is supplied constrain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:20 ◼ ► the tiny sensor especially the brand new one is one of the one of the top ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3200">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► that I would I think it's equally likely that this is just an area where somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► decided you know what people are and unlocking their iPad by a touch of ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:34 ◼ ► often as they do on the phone so it's not that important we can save $1 you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3214">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► know that it feels more like that is it cheaper is the new one actually more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:41 ◼ ► expensive like it might just be the same caught in it it just it seems more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3221">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► iPhone gets every all the good stuff all the best for us it is the oldest favored [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► if anything is in short supply iPhone gets the stuff right so so the reason of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► that in the song on the software side unfortunately that's also true and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► see things Lake like you know but even back forever ago when the iPad launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► with with 3.2 3.2 then I S four with multitasking came out for the iPhone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:14 ◼ ► it wasn't until four months later maybe even seconds later in life for pointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3254">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► 3 was unified it where they brought all the features of the iPad look at when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:25 ◼ ► was 7 launched and then you know in the early beta as they weren't even give you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3265">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► the iPad it was so unfinished they wouldn't even give a developer beat us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:34 ◼ ► at first and then later on in the process they eventually released the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3274">TS</a>]
00:54:38 ◼ ► iPad version of it and I would say the iPad version has always and still lags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3278">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► behind the iPhone version ever since I was 7 redesign there are certain things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:50 ◼ ► about it that just seemed half and you know things like control center things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3290">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► like that that swept over at picker API you I notifications have always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3295">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► kind of weird on it there's still a guys I think as we reported on his you still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► liking him no calculator weather apps like it just seems like in so many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► the iPad is is trying to be this higher end of ice and in many ways to achieving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► the net but on the software side it's being held back by these limitations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► they did make great strides with the split of you and and with the slide over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► in Iowa State that does help alot but in general it just seems like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:32 ◼ ► getting a lot of attention in its software and you know see you get there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3332">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► flagship product this is obviously very important Apple to get to get the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:42 ◼ ► sales you know boosted again get them going again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3342">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► you know keep your iPad alive keep it going to have this flagship product it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► peak time first of all no accessories available from 12 then second of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► hardly any apps updated for it so so already you have this weird experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► where like when you launch most iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► taps they come up in the blurry blown-up way and it just looks it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► ridiculous a day that's that's a problem and Mike just going through tips initial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► setup here at home we've seen a lot of those at almost every option uses has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► not been updated and includes both games and browsing ads in magazines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► shopping apps like there's so many apps that that have just not that it's prob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► number one but even just like his first impression when she saw the springboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► home screen she was looking at how many icons you get a across the top and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:37 ◼ ► the number of app icons has stayed the same in like how many Romney get per row [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3397">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► and column springboard hasn't changed even the screen size got almost twice as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► big as everything just disclosure science spread out weird arrangement and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► she was she looking for a setting to change it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► assuming of course there has to be a setting of course this would not be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► only way you know there's nothing to change it that is the only ship like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► it's it just seems like there is not enough resources and Apple being devoted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:09 ◼ ► to making iOS better specifically for the iPad it's it's good it's hard enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3429">TS</a>]
00:57:16 ◼ ► for developers to justify putting a lot of work into iPad apps lot of the times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3436">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► and that's that's been the problem is has because now I for the first time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► think it in a while with both now is split you coming few months ago and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► with the iPad pro having a whole new screen size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► not to mention if you want to take advantage of of things like the pending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:36 ◼ ► keyboard and some ways after helpers need to catch up to a lot of work to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3456">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► their iPad apps to be really great now to really just to keep them current to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► keep them running well in the news hard work even taking advantage of hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► the island's do it every year in some way but the iPhone has a lot more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:53 ◼ ► using it and therefore it's a lot easier to make money in the iPhone for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3473">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► kinds of that but the iPad because they smaller platform by installed this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3476">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► always been a little bit harder for a lot of people to justify doing work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► it and doing work on iPad apps and the problems in Apple software ecosystem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► a pricing sustainability over competition everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:18 ◼ ► these problems are magnified on the iPad side because there isn't as much there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3498">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► are always isn't as big so you can't just make up in volume it's harder to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► make it on the iPad side there's less competition I think which helps but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► it's it's just harder like look at how many iPad apps have just been just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► totally abandoned and just getting no meaningful updates because their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► developers just can't go forward to it to work on them I think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► ultimately going to be what decides whether the iPad pro succeeds or fails [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► is will developers including Apple iOS will developers be able to justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:56 ◼ ► investing a lot of resources into making really great software for the iPad Pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3536">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► is if they it's it's kind of chicken and a problem if they don't then the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► pro it will probably see will probably not do substantially better than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► other iPads have done and it's not like they're bombing you know it's a bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:15 ◼ ► business than McDonalds or whatever you know they're doing okay but it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3555">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► that the point this product was to really just really give it a substantial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:22 ◼ ► boost and unless the software comes I don't think that's going to happen I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3562">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► also don't see what in the software ecosystem will meaningfully change that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► will certainly make this a great platform that is worth developers both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:38 ◼ ► large and small spending a lot of time creating and maintaining professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3578">TS</a>]
00:59:43 ◼ ► quality after this platform like Apple's been coasting on the posting but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3583">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► benefiting from the inevitability of the iPad that they apparently feel that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► always felt even from my original iPad launch when the iPad was coming out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:56 ◼ ► was like Apple's tablet we do know that the name of it was going to be one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3596">TS</a>]
00:59:59 ◼ ► the topics of discussion around that time although we didn't have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3599">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► progress talk about it on was what is the one of the home screen and all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► kind Apple tablet and the reason that was a discussion because the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:10 ◼ ► thing some any moment saying that conversation is they can't just do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3610">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► they do on the phone and have just agreed I think is the screen is massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► so what are they going to do like it was it was fun to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► what is the sort of the home experience the the root level the bottom level that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► thing you see when you turn this thing on what does that look like when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► have italicized devices and Apple's answer was looks like a foamy spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► stuff and as the iPod iPad change sizes smaller you know the icons are there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:42 ◼ ► it's gotten bigger guy comes to spread out the couple I says that one is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3642">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► they actually did put things in the same density they are in a phone that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► be an object of ridicule people like that big iPad you can tell her anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► is a million icons on the home screen so they could not obviously not do them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► that they just you know that's just goes to show that like the density that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:05 ◼ ► well in the tiny thing your hand you can't use that same density in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3665">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► things size of actual notebook piece of paper but surely looking and I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:12 ◼ ► you like you can get a few more in their cancer like this is just huge white [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3672">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► space between them that all gets back to the same root problem which is trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:21 ◼ ► figure out which Apple has been trying to do in failing for many many years now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3681">TS</a>]
01:01:25 ◼ ► how to take this computing device that happened i think is the future of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3685">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► computing as obvious as anything else but that it has to grow up and it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► start taking on more of the capabilities of desktop computers and has to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► at the same time as it doesn't take on all their crap of the whole reason we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:45 ◼ ► ceded the future of computing and mobility is that there's something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3705">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► won't be able to do an iPhone which is not the Colin edible to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:53 ◼ ► done right something you can do on a phone listed on small and pieces are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3713">TS</a>]
01:01:57 ◼ ► still too hard to use including max so here's the thing that's in between it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3717">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► takes all the good stuff from your phone that ever knows how to use it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► comfortable with get rid of all the legacy corrupt but how can you make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► have more capabilities and design the home screen of the iPad was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:11 ◼ ► first times that Apple is faced with it all right what do you see when you turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3731">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► on the iPad we have this big screen can we do something different in this round [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► in that realm is like the place where people go to launch their absurd to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:21 ◼ ► rearrange things or whatever and they punted are they said well I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3741">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► have any good ideas right now so as make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► just continue to get that down the road all the while knowing that surely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► there's something more they can do but if you don't want to make it into what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:36 ◼ ► do you have to find her on the iPad no no we don't want that crap the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3756">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► reason people like that added that it simple so it has to be straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:44 ◼ ► and yeah we're fine with that but now now we're getting the point of the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3764">TS</a>]
01:02:48 ◼ ► solutions but we have to make it more capable so bigger good yes thumbs up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3768">TS</a>]
01:02:52 ◼ ► front that ever you have to make it because it's more stuff you can do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3772">TS</a>]
01:02:56 ◼ ► then what can we do with that real estate that but that's harder problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3776">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► I've got a real estate office right now we could split the screen make it like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► divider that you can kind of like that's better better than nothing but it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► shows that the haven't figured out how to add capability without adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:13 ◼ ► complexity that the beauty of the things we all know the windows pointer mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3793">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► you know went interface pioneered by the National popularized by the Mac is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► evolved over time with a vocabulary that we're all familiar with like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► it's easy for us to think like Macs aren't that hard or PCs on that hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► everyone knows how to use Windows and and and menu bars and like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► vocabulary for dealing with windows that you can resize them very edges you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:40 ◼ ► move them around tabs or another it was added to be all understand how ted's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3820">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► work but that's us to everyone else this is insane to get the file system files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:48 ◼ ► and folders and and navigating the hierarchy a very simple consistent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3828">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► vocabulary for people who are into computers for everyone else it might as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:56 ◼ ► well be you know inscrutable and just like some people just never fully rested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3836">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► so that's why we know that the smartphone and iPad are inevitably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► future because history has shown over decades that just people not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:13 ◼ ► karach computers the way we grab them this interface is on you know it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3853">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► better than what came before the command line even a small number of people rock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► the GUI with the masses and scrollbars a larger but everybody gets the smartphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► right and but there are those of us who use computers to do our jobs they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► to figure out a way to make these things more capable without making it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► complicated and that is a really difficult job and that's on Apple like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:37 ◼ ► individual developers they can make their applications to use the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3877">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► perot savvy and he told you all that stuff or whatever but it's kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► apple to show how this can really be the future computing and so far they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:51 ◼ ► timid about it because it's safe to say we just do it on the phone and bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3891">TS</a>]
01:04:55 ◼ ► people are understanding it works fine but you're not getting into capabilities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3895">TS</a>]
01:04:58 ◼ ► that even those who when you rotate male sideways good news side bar and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3898">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► don't like the success + like they did a couple different layouts and whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► this is so massively huge you can to say all right now are absolute have a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:10 ◼ ► bit different layout is sometimes you have to go over there inevitably you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3910">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► have to get to some solution that gives us what we do with Windows but in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► simpler way and the splitter is their first crack about and I haven't used it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:20 ◼ ► so I don't cancel it is but boy it just just going to have a long way to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3920">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► this area and most of the complaints and surrounding software on the iPad pro I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:32 ◼ ► don't think it dooms the table as a platform it just goes to show that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3932">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► is a hard problem and it's easy to take for granted the the breakthroughs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► inventions that came with the Mac in with the original Google that had so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► much time to evolve we had two errors on both ends of the scrollbars I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► proportional to the scrollbars entirely even something as simple as moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► window here and it's growing there's a lot of cracks at that like what we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► now is not what was first there and we tried all sorts of different things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3956">TS</a>]
01:06:00 ◼ ► try to find something that would that was better professional scrotum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3960">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► revolution Appleton invent those obviously never really stopped him but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► that was a significant enhancement over the original scrolls and the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► Mac scrollbars were significant enhancement over the weird ones on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► system's the end like middle click or whatever to school so I don't expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► anyone to nail this in the first try but the the iteration time has definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► slowed down I think mostly because the smartphone its interface became so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► iconic that I was like well worst case is just it's like a phone but on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► bigger screen everybody understands that it'll be fine but we won't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► significant progress towards the future computing capital S capital C that Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► Cook and several people believe must come sunday and i know i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► a lot of these problems people assumed to be problems like you know like my old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► you know launching apparatus setting screen design problem where you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4015">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► computer too hard to use so the way to make it easier to use it to get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► all these files and windows and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► giving all these things people are confused about but if you if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:11 ◼ ► it only in that way that that's what kind of aid like naive like twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4031">TS</a>]
01:07:16 ◼ ► two-year-old smart person we look at things like well this is all stupid will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4036">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► get rid of it you know and then you do and you realize oh now we have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► problems to solve and the solutions that you build up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► end up being often time is more complex or worse or at least no better than what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:34 ◼ ► was already there because it was already there was actually there for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4054">TS</a>]
01:07:37 ◼ ► reasons and so a lot of problems I i think you know have to be backtracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4057">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► some way for example I Club Dr perfect example this where you have ok well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► there's no more files each absence has its own content in the app and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:52 ◼ ► have a single engine and a little just think this document still in the app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4072">TS</a>]
01:07:56 ◼ ► a note turns out having a folder that just seems everywhere like Dropbox is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4076">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► really useful and makes a lot of things way easier than all these apps having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► their own little sandbox silos and also to bring lots of other limitations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► challenges to the platform and oh by the way all this contributes very heavily to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► why a lot of people can get their work done and iOS you feel like it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► tempting to slide back to the old solutions yeah I think those you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► think is a great example of us like the new stuff is supposed to work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► doesn't in Dropbox use the old paradigm + reliability to say thank you guys you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► guys haven't figured it out I know this is an old paradigm that is confusing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► it's reliable and at least in the very least two people understand files and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► folders from Dropbox and other people though most along because they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► reliable but it's so easy to go back to that Apple doesn't like do that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► why the iPad products come with a bunch of windows with widgets the slide around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:51 ◼ ► on the screen right they totally could could you know they can make like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4131">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► touch and I was 10 designed for touch where all the way to go whatever but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4135">TS</a>]
01:09:00 ◼ ► how to do that to its credit to its detriment or demerit of whatever word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4140">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► you want insert there they don't seem to have quite an idea what to do going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► forward and they've been really cautious about like poking their way toward the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► edges of Microsoft has been much more daring in thinking the old paradigms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► there we want to try something new and they went hog wild but the whole Metro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► stuff I don't think that was successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► either but they certainly you know came went forward much more boldly than Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► AAPL there's been like its smartphones that everyone likes that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:40 ◼ ► compromises made to a small screen will report to the big screen and don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4180">TS</a>]
01:09:43 ◼ ► complain that I can't do anything more than a phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4183">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► yeah I mean at this point I would say the name thing that holds iOS back from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:50 ◼ ► more pro adoption is the OS it's not it's not the screens weren't big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4190">TS</a>]
01:09:55 ◼ ► you know those things help and you know things like the iPad pro and the pencil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4195">TS</a>]
01:10:01 ◼ ► and and the you know finally like a decent keyboard those things will all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4201">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► help and they all bring in certain portions of the workforce and population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:11 ◼ ► that couldn't have done it before didn't want to do it before but fundamentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4211">TS</a>]
01:10:16 ◼ ► the main reason why so many people say I can't get my word on an iPad or it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4216">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► be very clunky for me to get my work done on iPad fundamentally that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► down to iOS and the structure of iOS how things like files and documents and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► sandboxing and apps how these things are all and multitasking like how does all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:35 ◼ ► work together how things they can do the things they can't do that is ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4235">TS</a>]
01:10:39 ◼ ► what it comes down to for a lot of people and that is really hard to change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4239">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► meaningfully without edges but i just basically making a Mac redoing all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► old complexities you know now Apple is trying to figure out which of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► complexities were actually not necessary and and which are necessary to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4254">TS</a>]
01:11:00 ◼ ► productive you know kind of pro work machine I don't think any of them are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4260">TS</a>]
01:11:04 ◼ ► necessary the question is simply like because they are as a means to an end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4264">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► the end is I need to have a way to to use multiple to do multiple things at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► once they recalled multiple application but there's no reason that paradigm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► units take a look at the things you could have gone the OpenDocument where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:20 ◼ ► everything is inverted in the document is king and there's no real applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4280">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► in any way they didn't have applications or face the basically the title race [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► with is how do i do more than one thing at one time even before that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:31 ◼ ► things start sharing with each other just simply how do I go to you know to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4291">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► browser too many text add it to my email to my daughter whether you know how do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:39 ◼ ► do more than Windows solves that problem not capital W Windows Microsoft like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4299">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► Windows is the solution that people came up with that there's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► application content it's a newsletter rectangles we can change the size of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► size too small scroll bar there to move around they have a thing that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:53 ◼ ► drag them on they have little buttons even close to minimize impact like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4313">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► that's that was the old solution to that old solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4317">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► effects seen anybody use computers windows are not something that most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► people deal with well and it is simply not gotten better you can't blame at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► because all people did you grow up with computers there are many many people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► grew up with him Peters who cannot manage Windows as we all know an expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► in managing windows and because I have an aptitude for it but and it makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:22 ◼ ► keenly aware that pretty much everywhere else I C has no idea what to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4342">TS</a>]
01:12:26 ◼ ► Windows even even young kids at work my kids just out of college I see how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4346">TS</a>]
01:12:30 ◼ ► use computers and they have these massive screens in the head like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4350">TS</a>]
01:12:34 ◼ ► two windows that's why people love tiling window managers and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4354">TS</a>]
01:12:37 ◼ ► Windows 10 where you jam the window inside of the screen until they managing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4357">TS</a>]
01:12:41 ◼ ► Windows is it is not easy to do to have a bunch of windows all shuffling around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4361">TS</a>]
01:12:45 ◼ ► it's like having 17 papers on your desk overlap with each other and how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4365">TS</a>]
01:12:48 ◼ ► manage it right that is it's not like that people are going to get better at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4368">TS</a>]
01:12:52 ◼ ► that so I'm not saying it's a bankrupt parent on its way better than people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4372">TS</a>]
01:12:56 ◼ ► managing the mental state required to deal with the command line right big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4376">TS</a>]
01:13:00 ◼ ► advancement over that but you can't go back to it but we still have the root [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4380">TS</a>]
01:13:04 ◼ ► problem of what I want to do a bunch of stuff at once so how do you let me do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4384">TS</a>]
01:13:08 ◼ ► bunch of stuff ones without asking me to manage Windows and so far we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4388">TS</a>]
01:13:13 ◼ ► a good answer to that the iOS multitasking switchgear splitting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4393">TS</a>]
01:13:18 ◼ ► none of those things like oh we recognize all those things are better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4398">TS</a>]
01:13:22 ◼ ► than nothing but still not as capable as Windows even to people who are good at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4402">TS</a>]
01:13:26 ◼ ► managing Windows not like they have a lot of windows if you're at all used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4406">TS</a>]
01:13:30 ◼ ► Windows who like I wish I could have windows in this thing but then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4410">TS</a>]
01:13:33 ◼ ► realize it doesn't work with finger whatever so that's one root problem how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4413">TS</a>]
01:13:37 ◼ ► do I have to give something that's the equivalent of Windows like I don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4417">TS</a>]
01:13:41 ◼ ► it that way but how do I let people use this computing device to do more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4421">TS</a>]
01:13:46 ◼ ► one thing at the same time and and move between those tasca nice way to set that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4426">TS</a>]
01:13:50 ◼ ► aside we don't have a good solution at the other one you were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4430">TS</a>]
01:13:52 ◼ ► Marco how do I deal with the data how do I take some piece of data to synthesize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4432">TS</a>]
01:13:58 ◼ ► like pictures from here text from their link from here how do I move stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4438">TS</a>]
01:14:03 ◼ ► between applications keep track of where things are saved things have have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4443">TS</a>]
01:14:07 ◼ ► know any also shown that was files and folders in a file system yet images yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4447">TS</a>]
01:14:11 ◼ ► text documents you know that was the old paradigm as we all know people are good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4451">TS</a>]
01:14:15 ◼ ► at the old paradigm files and folders people make a big giant mess that can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4455">TS</a>]
01:14:18 ◼ ► keep track of where there are lots of people can deal with it but lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4458">TS</a>]
01:14:21 ◼ ► people just can't and again we've had computers long after not to say like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4461">TS</a>]
01:14:25 ◼ ► old people die young people know how to deal with the soldiers nope we ran that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4465">TS</a>]
01:14:29 ◼ ► experiment human beings are not changing that fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4469">TS</a>]
01:14:32 ◼ ► thousand boulders a lot of people can use it but a lot of people can't it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4472">TS</a>]
01:14:35 ◼ ► much easier when there's no saving you open the Notes app you type a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4475">TS</a>]
01:14:38 ◼ ► notes in with your thumbs on your iPhone you close the notes have known known as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4478">TS</a>]
01:14:42 ◼ ► begging for a Save button in the Notes application million times and it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4482">TS</a>]
01:14:47 ◼ ► just goes to show that like those are complex is to be done need but when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4487">TS</a>]
01:14:51 ◼ ► want to do something that would usually be done with files and folders in a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4491">TS</a>]
01:14:55 ◼ ► system what is the solution for that Apple should really probably have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4495">TS</a>]
01:14:58 ◼ ► teams of fifty really smart people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4498">TS</a>]
01:15:02 ◼ ► multiple ones them working all these problems because right now there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4502">TS</a>]
01:15:07 ◼ ► are making VV most timid move in the direction of solving them and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4507">TS</a>]
01:15:12 ◼ ► kind of being like like it's a little bit more complicated than the iPhone but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4512">TS</a>]
01:15:17 ◼ ► it's not as good as the Mac what do you think of that and it's just not the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4517">TS</a>]
01:15:21 ◼ ► the Mac of saying the command line is crap forget about what we're doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4521">TS</a>]
01:15:24 ◼ ► nothing to do with the command line here is where are you know what we've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4524">TS</a>]
01:15:28 ◼ ► the future and organize this is the direction we're going to take and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4528">TS</a>]
01:15:32 ◼ ► way better than everything came before it and so far we haven't had that moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4532">TS</a>]
01:15:37 ◼ ► you know the post-world so two questions for you john first of all an infinite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4537">TS</a>]
01:15:43 ◼ ► time scale would we get good at using Windows think so cuz I don't think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4543">TS</a>]
01:15:49 ◼ ► is anything I don't think there's any evolutionary pressure like there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4549">TS</a>]
01:15:53 ◼ ► will there is nothing about being good at windows that makes your jeans more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4553">TS</a>]
01:15:57 ◼ ► likely to be passed on it so in in the absence of that pressure I don't see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4557">TS</a>]
01:16:02 ◼ ► the genetic makeup of humans would change over any period of time to become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4562">TS</a>]
01:16:07 ◼ ► better at managing multiple tuition of windows and the second reason of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4567">TS</a>]
01:16:10 ◼ ► is that we will come up with different interfaces that are better than windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4570">TS</a>]
01:16:15 ◼ ► and simpler and better suited to us so it's not nothing holding window study of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4575">TS</a>]
01:16:20 ◼ ► saying I demand that windows as they currently exist stay there for the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4580">TS</a>]
01:16:23 ◼ ► three billion years to wait and see if human evolution will make us better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4583">TS</a>]
01:16:30 ◼ ► way too seriously I gave you give you the answer but I appreciate and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4590">TS</a>]
01:16:36 ◼ ► exactly the other question I had and I am being serious now is you seem really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4596">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► disappointed with the multitasking paradigm in iOS and I you know I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:47 ◼ ► the iPad Mini the first one of the retina display and it doesn't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4607">TS</a>]
01:16:51 ◼ ► the terminology wrong so it does to slide over it doesn't display people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4611">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► pretty sure got that right that's right in some only had limited experience with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4616">TS</a>]
01:17:00 ◼ ► the multitasking on on on an iPad but I feel like I really liked it I will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4620">TS</a>]
01:17:06 ◼ ► that the multitasking switcher when you're switching between apps in the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4626">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► is stupid like I agree with you there that's dumb but the general premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:16 ◼ ► behind it I don't think it's so bad I'm not saying there couldn't be better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4636">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► i mean i i think it's a pretty solid first step do not think that I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► like it's easy to see that is not as capable to better than one but not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:32 ◼ ► 3 got far and so on and so forth 62 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4652">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► admitted doesn't help you with dozens of you yet with the you know sharing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:42 ◼ ► one thing to the other dragging and dropping across that line or somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4662">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► because things are visually next to each other things same things we do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:50 ◼ ► desktop like raindrops again saying drag and drop it will bring over because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4670">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► old thing that worked but they need something that feels the same role as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► drag and drop in like you know why I have something over here I'm gonna drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4677">TS</a>]
01:18:01 ◼ ► it over there and I'm going to check into this thing and now this image I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4681">TS</a>]
01:18:04 ◼ ► dragged 0 photos onto the desktop direct from the desktop into photos that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4684">TS</a>]
01:18:09 ◼ ► a particular fishing move but it's using a vocabulary that we understand to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4689">TS</a>]
01:18:12 ◼ ► that the reason I'm also disappointed it as disappointed like better than nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4692">TS</a>]
01:18:17 ◼ ► but it's so clearly still less capable than than a desktop computer but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4697">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► like almost as hard to explain to people who aren't familiar why I just tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:30 ◼ ► show my daughter today first year for whatever reason she decided to use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4710">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► laptop to write something instead of writing on a piece of paper I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► think she writes on their iPod she's not to use the laptop and she asked me how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► to make the window cover the whole screen so I showed her the full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:49 ◼ ► thing she's in full screen mode and then she wanted to look something up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4729">TS</a>]
01:18:52 ◼ ► Safari and I want to show her you can actually see the text editor and Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4732">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► at the same time but then I realized to show her that I had to show all you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4736">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► to do all you have to do is arranged the windows arrange the windows she doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:08 ◼ ► know how Windows move she doesn't know windows can be resized I resize the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4748">TS</a>]
01:19:11 ◼ ► window and she asked me how I did it how did you change the size of the window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4751">TS</a>]
01:19:14 ◼ ► like a single thing you know so trying to show someone how to use mine is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4754">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► obviously trying to show her how do you split view on the iPad would advise all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► that almost the same conversations like it already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► already too complicated I feel like people are gonna figure it out on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:31 ◼ ► own and I think it suffers in comparison to windows and it doesn't really give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4771">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► you a start of functional vocabulary that you can apply repeatedly because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► once you figure out how window works you still may not be good arranging windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► just knowing head over and over cases like I know how to formal letters it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► not the same as knowing how to write a mean or knowing how to hit one piano key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► is not the same as know how to play a piano but you know that any key on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► keyboard with your finger will make a noise you figured out the vocab the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:58 ◼ ► function of vocabulary the basic functional look at the end of a panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4798">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► once you figure out how Windows work you can drag them but item are you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► resize them you can close them you can move them around you learn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► parameters that came with all the screen oh no I can't gonna get the towel bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► menu bar not less there's like a bug in the US which happens sometimes it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► really that much easier not don't think about the split view as like it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► cool kinda like you know how to use desktop computers think about it as if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► you had the show somebody who had only ever used a smartphone how do you split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► view with their eyes glaze over in a bit like I don't get it and then secondarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► could they transfer those skills like if you say you show them how do you split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► could be useful for anything else they say now I can split view any two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:40 ◼ ► applications that would you have to show them again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4840">TS</a>]
01:20:42 ◼ ► ok well this is useful if you but what if you want to come back to what will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4842">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► the same two things being something different in this book if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► multiple like I think it's already too complicated and still less capable now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► I'm not entirely sure about that but I'm that that's my sense of it so far is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4855">TS</a>]
01:21:00 ◼ ► that it's not like it's on its way to being as good as the Mac I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4860">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► it's not a game both the map and not really easier to explain that Windows I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► feel like it's a bad solution this point before I get there seems to be a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:15 ◼ ► baseline level of required complexity and that's not to say that for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4875">TS</a>]
01:21:21 ◼ ► like multitasking that we have windows or slide over or everything's full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4881">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► screen like that's not to say that that these things cannot be improved upon but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:29 ◼ ► I do think there is a certain like ceiling that we cannot surpass of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4889">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► how simple can we make this because the the fundamental fact is these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► advanced concepts that they're going to have some inherent level of minimum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► complexity 00 we're going to have multiple things that are separate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► are running on the screen at once and is going to be some way to divide the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► screen space between them and there's gonna have to be able to pick out which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► somehow figure out if you want to open them one of the time or if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:02 ◼ ► add multiple went to the screen in some way then figure out how to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4922">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► between them had a close certain ones or all of them like there's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► some baseline level of complexity to this no matter how its design the matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► what system it is there's going to therefore be some kind of basic learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► no matter how easy would make it so again this is this isn't to say that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:24 ◼ ► can't improved since we have now but I think people are assuming that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4944">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► some endgame here that we show that we are that we should be going for where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► anybody can just pick it up and all of a sudden it's perfect and that's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:37 ◼ ► were never going to reach that I think you're mistaking to witness and the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4957">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► parlance for just a better you are because you could say all the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► things back before the GUI existed some inherent complexity in a time-sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► system for multiple programs around the same time we're never gonna make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► easier because you know and then the GUI came along and it's like oh well I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:59 ◼ ► if you totally rethink things that I guess you can make it massively people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4979">TS</a>]
01:23:04 ◼ ► still too complicated for all people but so much better you know like you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4984">TS</a>]
01:23:09 ◼ ► there is no I don't think there's any limitation and you know the endgame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4989">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► obviously would be like you know some crazy neural interface readers think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► stuff and the magic happens there are already in game is stationed of human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:21 ◼ ► life and the computer take over anyway there's definitely an in-game many like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5001">TS</a>]
01:23:24 ◼ ► it but but firm for things like interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5004">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► I think they're absolutely like I think that kind of thinking that that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► like there's a certain amount of complexity and there's no way we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:36 ◼ ► gonna make it simple as just absolutely the wrong way to look at this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5016">TS</a>]
01:23:39 ◼ ► having lived through the GUI revolution having seen how that's why that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5019">TS</a>]
01:23:43 ◼ ► we're not going in that was so brilliant dead it did find a way lots of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5023">TS</a>]
01:23:48 ◼ ► try to find ways to do it and then finally did find a way through the use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5028">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► of metaphor and through what I've maintained as one of the best interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:57 ◼ ► ever the the spatial finder giving people an interface that played to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5037">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► strengths of their of of the knowledge they have from living in the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:09 ◼ ► world and let them use those skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5049">TS</a>]
01:24:11 ◼ ► manage this the virtual world of the computer in a way that wasn't possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5051">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► before and it made them much more capable didn't just make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► capabilities easier it made them it added new capabilities and what we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► is the next one of those revolution arguably the smartphone was the next one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► of those resolutions just happened to be in a constrained environment with a hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:32 ◼ ► in it and he carried around with you which will let us avoid a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5072">TS</a>]
01:24:36 ◼ ► more difficult problems it was a very difficult problem in itself that guy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5076">TS</a>]
01:24:39 ◼ ► the second removing the smartphone right making computing making people be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5079">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► to do some computers people who couldn't be used for making you not even think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:46 ◼ ► it as a computer but in the larger round we still have these other computers but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5086">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► that have changed into this incredibly capable general purpose they have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► resulting still complicated so that is the next frontier so I don't I'm not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► fatalistic as you are about to get there is some inherent complexity and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► are going to change but really truly believe there absolutely is a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► leverage for humans are good at to let them do all the things they do a desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► computers in an easier way to go back a step it is absolutely insane to me john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► that you would take windows as the introduction to multiple things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:25 ◼ ► happening at the same time to me the iPad multitasking interface is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5125">TS</a>]
01:25:30 ◼ ► easier to understand and makes so much more sense yet it's it's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5130">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► weirder in that there's not a lot of visual cues as to what to do but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:39 ◼ ► every other measure put measurable way I feel like it is so much easier and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5139">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► for your daughter to to be confused by Windows that's not terribly surprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► to me but I think if you had done the reverse and started on the iPad and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:52 ◼ ► said tomorrow will this is kinda like the iPad but you can have more than just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5152">TS</a>]
01:25:55 ◼ ► too and you know you don't have to do some weird gesture that slide them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5155">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► around you just have to grab it move it I feel like that would have made a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► more sense to her to me i i think you're looking at the iPad interface as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:10 ◼ ► dumbing down of windowing whereas I see even though this obviously is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5170">TS</a>]
01:26:15 ◼ ► chronologically the reverse I feel like windowing is an extension of the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5175">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► and it's a much easier paradigm to understand and yes it's not discoverable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► once you've discovered it is so simple to use and it seems like it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► lot of the problems that people have with windowing systems I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► they would have them with the iPad I mean this is all guessing I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:42 ◼ ► evidence of never ask my parents hey how do you have to do you absolutely that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5202">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► same time the iPad this is all supposition but it just seems so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:49 ◼ ► more logical to me than than the phar-mor inscrutable task of managing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5209">TS</a>]
01:26:53 ◼ ► windows up again on the learnability into it is does it really matter how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5213">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► use their first what matters is after you show them how to do it does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:02 ◼ ► translate into sort of a new paradigm does he give them skills and vocabulary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5222">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► that they can be used to manage complexity in their life like not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► computer complexity but the complexity whatever do everything is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:13 ◼ ► using the computer to do you want to you know there's always going to be some did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5233">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► you know that at the same from the old days the only thing that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:23 ◼ ► intuitive as the nipple everything else is learned and so into it is totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5243">TS</a>]
01:27:28 ◼ ► read Harry right all you want is something that most people can learn in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5248">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► a reasonable amount of time and that after they learn it it gives them a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► toolset because it defines a sort of understandable world that lets them use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:40 ◼ ► those skills to solve problems so you can totally see how the GUI the Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5260">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► going in particular gay people that vocabulary all applications work the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:50 ◼ ► same menu bar as always all the windows work the same scrollbars workers and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5270">TS</a>]
01:27:54 ◼ ► mouse works the same as a simple click double clip and then adding that right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5274">TS</a>]
01:27:58 ◼ ► click and everything like that that was a toolset I don't think the split you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5278">TS</a>]
01:28:02 ◼ ► think it's a vocabulary that works in that way because it doesn't create I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5282">TS</a>]
01:28:08 ◼ ► don't think there is an easily sort of there's no there's no user model is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5288">TS</a>]
01:28:12 ◼ ► mental model that people can latch onto for that mostly because this kind of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5292">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► really an analog in the physical world because they like or what because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► paradigm for iOS thus far has been the thing is the app the app is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:25 ◼ ► paradigm that people can hang onto you want to go back to the place where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5305">TS</a>]
01:28:29 ◼ ► the other things are hit the home button and then when the thing goes it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5309">TS</a>]
01:28:33 ◼ ► device that the simple one but that is a very solid paradigm that what is powered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5313">TS</a>]
01:28:37 ◼ ► the the smartphone revolution you know this incredibly good iPhone user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5317">TS</a>]
01:28:42 ◼ ► interface paradigm split view I think does not fit with the old paradigm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5322">TS</a>]
01:28:46 ◼ ► doesn't give the user a vocabulary mental model that think they can then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5326">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► parlay into now I can I can solve any problem because I know house but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:56 ◼ ► just more like a weird feature this added on top of the old system like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5336">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► again didn't have to do with learnability are having to explain it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:03 ◼ ► it's just that it just seems like it is not a peace with the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5343">TS</a>]
01:29:06 ◼ ► interface it is attacked on kind of thing but I don't think represents a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5346">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► interface paradigm and therefore they haven't actually solve the problem he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:15 ◼ ► and I think that we fundamentally disagree is to me the only thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5355">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► you should be able to accomplish by understanding and rocking split the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:24 ◼ ► the iPad is being able to put two arbitrary ops next to each other that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5364">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► this I don't care of that lets you leap into new worlds and go out into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:33 ◼ ► great unknown and apply this knowledge all I care about is can kill your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5373">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► daughter have safari in notes next to each other and then later on can she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► have YouTube and and sleep next to each other but she has to understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:45 ◼ ► they're no longer next to each other or something else and that's something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5385">TS</a>]
01:29:48 ◼ ► or how long they're expected to be next to each other like you know me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5388">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► there's so many questions surrounding that in terms of like what what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:55 ◼ ► paradigm what is the user model what is the mental model how does this work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5395">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► I know how it I'm using this application I can make another appear if there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:03 ◼ ► actual understanding or it really is no solid paradigm underneath then every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5403">TS</a>]
01:30:07 ◼ ► time you some other application you're faced with why is the thing that next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5407">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► it now I just go through its a motion I knew before I think next to it why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:15 ◼ ► this text that now I know how to get rid of the thing and it becomes it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5415">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► you're fighting with the computer instead of helping your not using it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► a tool to help you solve a problem is just like every time you know this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:26 ◼ ► capability but when it doesn't work the way you expected to work because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5426">TS</a>]
01:30:30 ◼ ► have a different model of like the persistence or the or how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5430">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► interaction between the different applications is when they're not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:36 ◼ ► way you can step into screen a few times to make it be that way but it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5436">TS</a>]
01:30:41 ◼ ► not like it's not as straightforward as the the windows model which again people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5441">TS</a>]
01:30:45 ◼ ► are good at least as an understandable model you make the window size you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5445">TS</a>]
01:30:49 ◼ ► to put them there were you want III at face value like that's you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5449">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► enough rope to hang yourself because you don't know what size they should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► aware you put them on Steve Jobs thing you have to be the janitor you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:59 ◼ ► put things where you want them I don't want you to be the general well whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5459">TS</a>]
01:31:02 ◼ ► your gender not everyone can understand the model of windows is the model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5462">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► doesn't help them manage their complexity than I could imagine windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► which is why windows are generally a failure but I just don't feel like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:12 ◼ ► but do you give any kind of understandable model gives a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5472">TS</a>]
01:31:16 ◼ ► capability not as much as multiple windows but does not give you a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5476">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► model for managing complexity going forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:22 ◼ ► denied I still disagree with you but I I don't know either of us could be right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5482">TS</a>]
01:31:28 ◼ ► you can find a way to find out is as you see people using iPads that increasingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5488">TS</a>]
01:31:32 ◼ ► capable but you see how many people you see using split for you are using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5492">TS</a>]
01:31:36 ◼ ► competently well see I think that's two very different discussions right using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5496">TS</a>]
01:31:40 ◼ ► split view as I said it's not terribly discoverable so that's one thing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5500">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► using a confidently that's where I think that's that is what will differentiate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► which one of us is right because of somebody stumbles upon it and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:51 ◼ ► oh god what has happened and then is trying it is obviously trying to switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5511">TS</a>]
01:31:55 ◼ ► what happens there what have you and it's not working ok then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5515">TS</a>]
01:31:57 ◼ ► absolutely right it's it's completely inscrutable but if someone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5517">TS</a>]
01:32:01 ◼ ► discovered split the you end up without too much effort is now using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5521">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► confidently then I think then that indicates that I'm right and that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► really is useful and it really is a paradigm that they've learned to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:11 ◼ ► it may still be useful but like we all agree that is less capable the mobile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5531">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► windows if only because it's only two things right so yeah like the company's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:18 ◼ ► something is like if you see something using you see someone doing their work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5538">TS</a>]
01:32:21 ◼ ► in a cafe in the same way you see them using a Mac now even whether the using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5541">TS</a>]
01:32:24 ◼ ► full screen in the swiping between which by the way I've seen a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5544">TS</a>]
01:32:27 ◼ ► younger people I work with their very confident in that because they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5547">TS</a>]
01:32:30 ◼ ► smartphone generation I guess like they do full screen everything on a Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5550">TS</a>]
01:32:33 ◼ ► laptops they do do the multi finger swipe between the applications but I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5553">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► is incredibly inefficient but what they basically doing is turning them back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► into a paradigm that they understand because windows are difficult to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:42 ◼ ► but for split view you want to see somebody like during during their task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5562">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► using split views to help make their task more if not just once but you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► they keep permanently in the whole thing is like I need to have slackened forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:57 ◼ ► and ever and ever amen I wish I could tell the OS two never launched into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5577">TS</a>]
01:33:01 ◼ ► launch them as a single application that is a super degenerate case using it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5581">TS</a>]
01:33:05 ◼ ► you but just to say that there there arbitrarily putting applications that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5585">TS</a>]
01:33:10 ◼ ► other as is appropriate for the task they're doing if it's too difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5590">TS</a>]
01:33:14 ◼ ► rearrange to put this thing next thing that makes this thing then people won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5594">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► do it and they'll be like well it's too it's too onerous to constantly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:23 ◼ ► way that people find it to understand here and Windows is to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5603">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► whatever reason so therefore I'm just gonna have once with you and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:29 ◼ ► else is non slip you and I would say that's not a competent use of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5609">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► anyway even if they're using split views like that even if the using them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:36 ◼ ► always put the two most convenient application expertise they need any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5616">TS</a>]
01:33:39 ◼ ► moment in time and they have no problem doing in its second nature and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5619">TS</a>]
01:33:42 ◼ ► don't think about it it's very intuitive that's still a two things at once and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5622">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► it's still worth it but it's worse by your metric of how many thousands of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:51 ◼ ► things can I get distracted by a ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5631">TS</a>]
01:33:54 ◼ ► know it's worse because we know people need to do more than one thing at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5634">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► and windows are a failure because people can't use them to do more than some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5637">TS</a>]
01:34:01 ◼ ► people can use the same people were trying to talking and aggregates I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5641">TS</a>]
01:34:04 ◼ ► obviously all of us can use Windows to do more than two things at once we do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5644">TS</a>]
01:34:07 ◼ ► all the time but most people when they deal with computers are not successfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5647">TS</a>]
01:34:12 ◼ ► that which means windows a successful for the people who are good at using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5652">TS</a>]
01:34:16 ◼ ► computers in the old way of like you you know computers but worse for everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5656">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► S smartphones I would say pretty much a hundred percent of the population is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:24 ◼ ► successful at both using and and installing applications I pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5664">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► think we've solved that they're not that improve but we've hit the mainstream in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:34 ◼ ► that are you are you using smartphones do you know smartphones very few people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5674">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► say that my singing like developing for hacking them that everybody knows how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► launch the Facebook app to send text messages like we have crossed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:46 ◼ ► effectively hundred-percent barrier there we are not even come close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5686">TS</a>]
01:34:50 ◼ ► crossing that at the can I use a general-purpose computing device to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5690">TS</a>]
01:34:53 ◼ ► arbitrate things and so we're still struggling to get larger adoption then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5693">TS</a>]
01:34:57 ◼ ► we have with the world of PCs and Macs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5697">TS</a>]
01:35:01 ◼ ► agree with you that this that the smartphone fullscreen everything model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5701">TS</a>]
01:35:05 ◼ ► is pretty pretty close to ideally usable for a lot of people but I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5705">TS</a>]
01:35:11 ◼ ► windowing model is doing a lot better in practice then you're giving it credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5711">TS</a>]
01:35:16 ◼ ► I think a lot more people than than you seem to be suggesting have figured out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5716">TS</a>]
01:35:20 ◼ ► well enough to get stuff done and maybe not ideally you know I'm sure I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5720">TS</a>]
01:35:24 ◼ ► you look at everyone and make sure you will look at my setup and they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5724">TS</a>]
01:35:30 ◼ ► you know but but I think people-to-people figure it out they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5730">TS</a>]
01:35:34 ◼ ► been figuring out for decades most people who use a computer on a regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5734">TS</a>]
01:35:39 ◼ ► basis are able to figure out when doing enough to do this to do what they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5739">TS</a>]
01:35:43 ◼ ► to do what they want to do with anything and you can figure out like the upside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5743">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► is that if you use your model throughout but what we see the we all know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:52 ◼ ► things that are bad about when the reason people use the desktop so much in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► there are still with icons and they feel and non confident navigating the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5755">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► system like that and it's obviously it's the reason everybody found smartphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5760">TS</a>]
01:36:08 ◼ ► to be such a breath of fresh air it's because all that crap that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5768">TS</a>]
01:36:12 ◼ ► been sort of muddling through on their PCs at work or whatever is not there on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5772">TS</a>]
01:36:17 ◼ ► on the smartphone there there are no files and folders this no saved button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5777">TS</a>]
01:36:21 ◼ ► there's no desktop that it was just got rid of all that stuff and so even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5781">TS</a>]
01:36:26 ◼ ► they could you know he managed with PCs are calling the PC interface like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5786">TS</a>]
01:36:32 ◼ ► able nobody's use it but I'd like to understand how much better it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5792">TS</a>]
01:36:37 ◼ ► compared it to people's reactions smartphones like smartphones anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5797">TS</a>]
01:36:40 ◼ ► considered computers like it is is is a discontinuity of it transcended the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5800">TS</a>]
01:36:44 ◼ ► of a general-purpose computers it right the people do get by doing all they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5804">TS</a>]
01:36:48 ◼ ► us to full screen and playing minesweeper and click around their web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5808">TS</a>]
01:36:52 ◼ ► browser in the web is another paradigm co-manager paradigm I like licking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5812">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► underlined words and stuff that was another simple enough one that was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► successful but it's it's not like the PC or Mac is a dead end but we've clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5817">TS</a>]
01:37:05 ◼ ► pushed the limit of how many people are going to feel comfortable using that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5825">TS</a>]
01:37:10 ◼ ► interface not to its false but just even in a merely competent way like I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5830">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► they're people who used like a computer every day for multiple decades who still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► have no idea where there anything I can navigate the file system in are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:23 ◼ ► terrified by an open box and especially want everything to be either in that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5843">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► place they know how to get to on the desktop or something that shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► interfaces not succeeding that's not the way it's supposed to work whereas people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5849">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► are using smartphones essentially the way they're supposed to work under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► sort of a very simplified iOS paradigm of the Big Red of icons a swipe between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► a launch until the screen like they're not using that the phones into jericho [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:45 ◼ ► they're using the bones that way they were designed whereas the maximum dose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5865">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► of people are modeling 309 everybody not the people that we know but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5868">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► entire mass of humanity like thing everybody's a whole yeah I could see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► that I think I'm mostly with you on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► alright our final spots this week is mail route mail route dotnet / ATP to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5881">TS</a>]
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01:38:12 ◼ ► imagine a world without span that is the world that now delivers to you and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5892">TS</a>]
01:38:17 ◼ ► real I use it myself I've used it now for almost a year I think it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5897">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► great I have never seen better spam filtering the mail route delivers so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► here's here's how it works is a service it's between the internet and you as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► your email host or the servers you run like that so far it like for instance I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5913">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► use fast now and I'm a post and you know a lot of people do this on servers at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:42 ◼ ► their own service for their business or a theory enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5922">TS</a>]
01:38:46 ◼ ► even when you're a mail server so you put mail route in front of your mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5926">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► server or service and they filter out all the span and then they deliver to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:55 ◼ ► clean email as an investment for a while I've tried spam filtering through their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5935">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► settings I've seen other people doing it with Gmail I've tried I've I once and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► once a long time ago I did remote mail server and tried doing SpamAssassin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:10 ◼ ► stuff like that I tried doing the junk mail filtering and Apple Mail none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5950">TS</a>]
01:39:15 ◼ ► these things have been nearly as effective as mellow out for me I i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5955">TS</a>]
01:39:19 ◼ ► saying is honest this is my direct experience with this mail route has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5959">TS</a>]
01:39:22 ◼ ► kicked their butts it in every possible way it filters out way more span almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5962">TS</a>]
01:39:28 ◼ ► all of it is very rare that I get a spam message anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5968">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► most days I get zero not like 1950 and it is extremely rare for legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:39 ◼ ► messages to get caught in their filters as spam so I guess I can't tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:44 ◼ ► enough to sponsor Salina try to draw us into everyone's heads every time because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5984">TS</a>]
01:39:48 ◼ ► his spoke and I can't overstate how good now outspend filtering is it makes email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5988">TS</a>]
01:39:55 ◼ ► usable again I mean as much as I can be usable it makes it gives you the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5995">TS</a>]
01:39:59 ◼ ► chance of email btw crucible for you by taking all the spam and delivering only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/5999">TS</a>]
01:40:04 ◼ ► people denying requests for you to do things so really I can't say enough good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6004">TS</a>]
01:40:08 ◼ ► things about mail route they support everything you wanted to support you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6008">TS</a>]
01:40:11 ◼ ► know you point your DNS record at them they deliver mail to you and to support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6011">TS</a>]
01:40:15 ◼ ► things like LDAP Active Directory TLS mailbag outbound real and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6015">TS</a>]
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01:40:36 ◼ ► talk about hardware but I think we should say next week a lot to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6036">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► it on the iPad for hardware but that'll keep ya I mean I think it's worth you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► know giving us more time to use it first I would say you know my very very early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► impression as like an overview of it is you know whether whether you should buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► on whether I want one for me the question is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:59 ◼ ► TIFF I think we'll probably keep this although even she's right now because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6059">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► is so big and a software is so not taking advantage of it yet these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:10 ◼ ► you know i mean the bigness won't but in overtime software will take more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6070">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► advantage of it I would say if you're not in a huge hurry getting next year's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► is probably going to be a big improvement then most single year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► improvements would be for these things simply because not only will the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:28 ◼ ► hardware probably be a little better maybe it'll add some cool stuff like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6088">TS</a>]
01:41:30 ◼ ► stocks in better touch lady but the bigger thing is I think we need a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6090">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► for both Apple and third-party developers to write its offer for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:40 ◼ ► thing because it isn't there yet and there are some very now but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6100">TS</a>]
01:41:44 ◼ ► gonna be awhile and it's gonna be awhile before everybody can actually afford to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6104">TS</a>]
01:41:48 ◼ ► take advantage of it so the only exception I would make sure that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6108">TS</a>]
01:41:53 ◼ ► be if you are already a heavy iPad you somebody like federico VTG if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6113">TS</a>]
01:41:59 ◼ ► already are able to do a ton of your work or all of your work on an iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6119">TS</a>]
01:42:04 ◼ ► you already are doing things like using third-party keyboards with it and doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6124">TS</a>]
01:42:09 ◼ ► multitasking and you need more screen space if you if you already are using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6129">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► artistic worker note-taking rant asians so if you if you are already and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6136">TS</a>]
01:42:21 ◼ ► had power user then by all means consider this now but if if the if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6141">TS</a>]
01:42:27 ◼ ► things about the iPad have prevented you from getting into it as a serious party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6147">TS</a>]
01:42:34 ◼ ► device for your work I don't think this will change that at least not yet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6154">TS</a>]
01:42:40 ◼ ► maybe down the road it will once the software gets there but I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6160">TS</a>]
01:42:43 ◼ ► it's gonna be there for a little while hopefully by next year they'll have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6163">TS</a>]
01:42:48 ◼ ► iPad areas such as the virus with a pen something that could change everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6168">TS</a>]
01:42:54 ◼ ► mean right now if you want this awesome pencil input you have to get the giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6174">TS</a>]
01:42:59 ◼ ► iPad and solely for me if I were to ever get into pencil stuff I would much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6179">TS</a>]
01:43:04 ◼ ► rather have the iPad air sized one start doing art snacks if you don't need an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6184">TS</a>]
01:43:10 ◼ ► iPad this and you actually paint brushes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6190">TS</a>]
01:43:12 ◼ ► tough I know but the equivalent of like just having a small task that someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6192">TS</a>]
01:43:16 ◼ ► else and you to do to draw something for the day you know I'd rather just played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6196">TS</a>]
01:43:21 ◼ ► pictionary no actually I actually I have kind of a fun idea for a game that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6201">TS</a>]
01:43:27 ◼ ► might want to do but it would require the pencil and it would also require me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6207">TS</a>]
01:43:31 ◼ ► to develop the game so I think this is like that that's going to be doing on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6211">TS</a>]
01:43:38 ◼ ► and that's probably not gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6218">TS</a>]
01:43:39 ◼ ► combination of flight control the world go do something fun actually know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6219">TS</a>]
01:43:44 ◼ ► actually found two games I've played draw the path of the the projectiles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6224">TS</a>]
01:43:51 ◼ ► take any other person set up barriers to quickly drawn between them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6231">TS</a>]
01:43:55 ◼ ► writes itself thanks a lot of other responses this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6235">TS</a>]
01:44:00 ◼ ► casper lynda.com and Miller out and we'll see you next week probably already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6240">TS</a>]
01:44:05 ◼ ► exists 00 I'm sure there's like and them at least now the show they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6245">TS</a>]
01:45:10 ◼ ► so in other news I got my car back hours ago is still white still white vendors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6310">TS</a>]
01:45:19 ◼ ► repaired all is right in the world once again I saw that picture of your car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6319">TS</a>]
01:45:24 ◼ ► that can I really people are tweeting like oh that happened to John Kerry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6324">TS</a>]
01:45:28 ◼ ► would have burned to the ground people don't understand how much damage to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6328">TS</a>]
01:45:33 ◼ ► both willing to tolerate it and enforced to tolerate I had so many things in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6333">TS</a>]
01:45:37 ◼ ► car they're worse than that then you to spend $1000 to be repaired and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6337">TS</a>]
01:45:41 ◼ ► reason and get these repairs cause I know costs in the amount of money in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6341">TS</a>]
01:45:44 ◼ ► so you know I'm just gonna live with that giant white paint streak that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6344">TS</a>]
01:45:49 ◼ ► added to my car by someone who parked next to me this is just going to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6349">TS</a>]
01:45:53 ◼ ► with the huge gouging my bumper from the person who rendered me because my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6353">TS</a>]
01:45:57 ◼ ► deductible won't cover it it's like just that's why everything about getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6357">TS</a>]
01:46:01 ◼ ► nice car I would just never be able to drive it like you just the world the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6361">TS</a>]
01:46:06 ◼ ► world that I Drive around them to just deal with too many hazards and held a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6366">TS</a>]
01:46:09 ◼ ► brand new car i dented the rim of my fancy alloy wheels like in the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6369">TS</a>]
01:46:14 ◼ ► month that I got it from hitting a panel had to get a new Wii over 650 bucks so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6374">TS</a>]
01:46:20 ◼ ► couldn't believe that you is the only people in the south are people live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6380">TS</a>]
01:46:23 ◼ ► the desert do it like my car my perfect car that is preserved if it's as if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6383">TS</a>]
01:46:29 ◼ ► a museum because we have no whether to speak of and no humid here you have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6389">TS</a>]
01:46:34 ◼ ► how can you be spending $1000 to repair quarter sized Nikki offender because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6394">TS</a>]
01:46:40 ◼ ► was down to the middle and for me was a hundred bucks with the size of a quarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6400">TS</a>]
01:46:45 ◼ ► know if it was really obvious if you had seen it was not that impressive but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6405">TS</a>]
01:46:50 ◼ ► assure you I was in dollars it's not it's $900 of all states money and $100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6410">TS</a>]
01:46:55 ◼ ► my money on your deductible pretty good that's a fancy insurance I would I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6415">TS</a>]
01:47:02 ◼ ► not sure probably paying too much for said insurance but nevertheless the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6422">TS</a>]
01:47:08 ◼ ► problem that you have john is that you drive in an area that doesn't believe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6428">TS</a>]
01:47:12 ◼ ► roads that makes sense roads that function or drivers that know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6432">TS</a>]
01:47:15 ◼ ► drive there not called mask pulls because they're good at driving a green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6435">TS</a>]
01:47:21 ◼ ► other cars are many me and it's where more damage to my car while parked than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6441">TS</a>]
01:47:25 ◼ ► anything else because the parking garage at work has spots in the painting lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6445">TS</a>]
01:47:29 ◼ ► in the spots that they made the like motorcycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6449">TS</a>]
01:47:32 ◼ ► bit more spots in the parking garage that way and because it is not a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6452">TS</a>]
01:47:37 ◼ ► heart a full-size car but it's not human and I swear everytime I park I am making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6457">TS</a>]
01:47:42 ◼ ► decisions about how many inches on either side of that yet the judge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6462">TS</a>]
01:47:46 ◼ ► because you want like you to think most people are driving a single drivers so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6466">TS</a>]
01:47:50 ◼ ► they're not gonna open the passenger door so I want to get closer but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6470">TS</a>]
01:47:53 ◼ ► the guy back since then I gotta figure out if he's a bad person then his drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6473">TS</a>]
01:47:57 ◼ ► so I have to like figure out where in in between the lines I want to be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6477">TS</a>]
01:48:03 ◼ ► perfectly and then looking at the type of car parking in two cars how likely is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6483">TS</a>]
01:48:07 ◼ ► this person to be one of those people who doesn't even look at the swings the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6487">TS</a>]
01:48:10 ◼ ► car door open and Janzen it anyway everyone has things they want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6490">TS</a>]
01:48:13 ◼ ► perfect and I i admit I kind of did it with my mirror that was my fault [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6493">TS</a>]
01:48:17 ◼ ► coming out of my garage which is also size for a motorcycle or scared or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6497">TS</a>]
01:48:21 ◼ ► something I got that repaired but that wasn't a thousand dollars and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6501">TS</a>]
01:48:25 ◼ ► damage was way more noticeable to say that you are obviously care very deeply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6505">TS</a>]
01:48:31 ◼ ► about the particulars for your car look and I would like to care very deeply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6511">TS</a>]
01:48:35 ◼ ► about the hell my car looks but I just cannot bear the amount of money would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6515">TS</a>]
01:48:39 ◼ ► take to you then time frankly to keep bringing the car in the attack scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6519">TS</a>]
01:48:42 ◼ ► yeah well one of them was the mechanical issue which was a week and then this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6522">TS</a>]
01:48:47 ◼ ► three days for the body issue however I'm not the only one who is going like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6527">TS</a>]
01:48:51 ◼ ► ours today and I Marco I drove the white car I wouldn't say it was feeling is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6531">TS</a>]
01:48:56 ◼ ► but however you pronounce that I wouldn't say it was doing that to it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6536">TS</a>]
01:49:00 ◼ ► just so happened that the D test drivable model was white just like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6540">TS</a>]
01:49:06 ◼ ► of your car just happened to be white when they fall into your lap and you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6546">TS</a>]
01:49:08 ◼ ► them right I agree I totally understand what you're going with here I really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6548">TS</a>]
01:49:13 ◼ ► the whole family went for this test drive there was a correct anyway yes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6553">TS</a>]
01:49:18 ◼ ► I ever seen a tester with the apt 5d last February I was very impressed by it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6558">TS</a>]
01:49:25 ◼ ► but I also at the time I i said that the apt 5d is so fast I actually found it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6565">TS</a>]
01:49:34 ◼ ► would probably never do this from a stoplight at like flooring like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6574">TS</a>]
01:49:39 ◼ ► like it like hit you in the face so hard with with inertia that I just I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6579">TS</a>]
01:49:45 ◼ ► want to do that and I am threat threat since then I've been thinking more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6585">TS</a>]
01:49:50 ◼ ► doing more research I am almost certainly going to get a Tesla next I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6590">TS</a>]
01:49:55 ◼ ► mean I'm basically ready to place the order because my my lease is up in late [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6595">TS</a>]
01:49:59 ◼ ► March and and there's like a two month lead time on lunch so I have to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6599">TS</a>]
01:50:03 ◼ ► pretty soon I'm doing today I went up to test ride to first of all see if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6603">TS</a>]
01:50:08 ◼ ► like colors and stuff in person and also to test drive the non PC version of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6608">TS</a>]
01:50:14 ◼ ► is the 9th ed so it's just like the 85 a little more more battery so slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6614">TS</a>]
01:50:19 ◼ ► heavier probably no speed difference really so overall I think I'm gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6619">TS</a>]
01:50:26 ◼ ► that one i think im gonna get the really yeah you know it's not the slow and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6626">TS</a>]
01:50:30 ◼ ► like the middle one of them are really slow been the slowest when I think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6630">TS</a>]
01:50:33 ◼ ► your car keys right I think that's right on the numbers in front of me but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6633">TS</a>]
01:50:37 ◼ ► believe you're right but none of them are will be called slowed by anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6637">TS</a>]
01:50:39 ◼ ► really but it's all relative so the middle one I would say in general the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6639">TS</a>]
01:50:45 ◼ ► 9th ed is not as fast as the m5 at the m5 peak power so the m5 win when you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6645">TS</a>]
01:50:54 ◼ ► that massive kick in the butt of turbocharged torque it is stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6654">TS</a>]
01:51:00 ◼ ► feeling and faster feeling than the 9th ed but the 9th ed it comes it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6660">TS</a>]
01:51:05 ◼ ► available right from zero in the AM 580 Florian five from a stop to spin the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6665">TS</a>]
01:51:10 ◼ ► wheels it doesn't have any traction in and it's only reveal drive the 9th ed is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6670">TS</a>]
01:51:15 ◼ ► all wheel drive with a really really good although drive system and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6675">TS</a>]
01:51:19 ◼ ► all the powers mister and actually can put it down actually can use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6679">TS</a>]
01:51:23 ◼ ► overall I would say it didn't feel like I was really missing anything in this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6683">TS</a>]
01:51:28 ◼ ► in the middle version other then that extra big kick from from like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6688">TS</a>]
01:51:34 ◼ ► flooring it not only our wheels although we all options are on the same now I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6694">TS</a>]
01:51:39 ◼ ► torn on which wheels to get and I'm sure you have opinions I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6699">TS</a>]
01:51:47 ◼ ► I agree I think all the wheels are middle of the road to ugly yeah I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6707">TS</a>]
01:51:52 ◼ ► would i would agree with that the the base one that that Johnson in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6712">TS</a>]
01:51:56 ◼ ► picture they they kind of look like the m5 winter wheels a very similar design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6716">TS</a>]
01:52:02 ◼ ► it in person it just it kind of looks cheap like they don't they don't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6722">TS</a>]
01:52:07 ◼ ► like premium quality wheels none of them do really but I think the at the base [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6727">TS</a>]
01:52:12 ◼ ► model looks the least good of all of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6732">TS</a>]
01:52:15 ◼ ► the the 1980 Silver cyclone is kind of a halfway point between everything now the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6735">TS</a>]
01:52:20 ◼ ► bigger ones do look substantially larger and more aggressive in person and so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6740">TS</a>]
01:52:25 ◼ ► question is like how aggressive and supported you in your car to look also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6745">TS</a>]
01:52:29 ◼ ► I'm not quite sure I can pull off Finn 21 inch wheels on New York roads which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6749">TS</a>]
01:52:34 ◼ ► are only marginally better than John what's your own identity and end the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6754">TS</a>]
01:52:38 ◼ ► rims you should test drive the 21 like a lot of car makers are doing this now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6758">TS</a>]
01:52:42 ◼ ► like offering new obscenely large wheels cuz they look cool and everything but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6762">TS</a>]
01:52:46 ◼ ► like they just to turn that the rubber bands he can't drive and railroads with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6766">TS</a>]
01:52:50 ◼ ► that yeah exactly so i think im probably gonna go with the nineteen sliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6770">TS</a>]
01:52:55 ◼ ► cyclone so that's a problem to do the red looks really awesome in person the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6775">TS</a>]
01:53:01 ◼ ► black does look as bad as I thought some kind of torn between those two lean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6781">TS</a>]
01:53:05 ◼ ► towards red otherwise I'm pretty much sold I i think im almost certainly gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6785">TS</a>]
01:53:09 ◼ ► do it was tipsy about the color we never hear her car choice if if she would rank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6789">TS</a>]
01:53:14 ◼ ► are for herself she'll get the blue the blue is a very nice blue I just don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6794">TS</a>]
01:53:20 ◼ ► care for blue cars for myself if it really is is being very supportive of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6800">TS</a>]
01:53:25 ◼ ► again in the red because your midlife crises red cars this is a good go down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6805">TS</a>]
01:53:31 ◼ ► exactly you know like like the the black is fine if i if i want to be subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6811">TS</a>]
01:53:39 ◼ ► mostly subtle to maximize the subtleties of this car the black be the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6819">TS</a>]
01:53:43 ◼ ► approach to that but I've been getting black car for so long I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6823">TS</a>]
01:53:48 ◼ ► something for something different like Casey who will show is so should we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQmks_c/6828">TS</a>]