00:00:08 ◼ ► Hello and welcome to Connected, episode 462. It's made possible this week by our sponsors,
00:00:14 ◼ ► ExpressVPN, Indeed, and Nom Nom. My name is Steven Hackett and I'm joined by Mr. Mike Hurley.
00:00:21 ◼ ► Hello! Hey bud. It's just me and you this week. Just me and you, and you and me. So happy together.
00:00:35 ◼ ► This week is Federico's birthday and we want you to get something for him, dear listeners.
00:00:41 ◼ ► So if you pick up your iPhone and find your third most used emoji, just note what it is,
00:01:00 ◼ ► I thought that this could be like in the honor of the of the Jeremy's, right? Which Federico is so
00:01:06 ◼ ► good at. Usually when someone's not on the show for a period of time we just say send emoji to
00:01:11 ◼ ► them, but instead you can be Federico in this scenario and try and describe this emoji in text
00:01:17 ◼ ► to Federico. So you should do that and that would be really great. We would do it on threads, but
00:01:23 ◼ ► he lives in the EU. Yeah, so it's not going to work. So what is yours? Describe yours for me.
00:01:28 ◼ ► Unfortunately I have the best emoji for description right there. I feel like you should have said
00:01:42 ◼ ► So I'm going to send that to him now. I'm sending to him, it's a little bit longer than yours,
00:01:49 ◼ ► but it is eyes looking to the left in a sus manner. Saluting face cut in half vertically.
00:01:58 ◼ ► There we go. And post it. Excellent. I hope everybody joins us in celebrating Federico's
00:02:05 ◼ ► birthday by sending him very cryptic messages. Yes, and I would say don't include the emoji,
00:02:12 ◼ ► just the description. Yes, don't put the emoji in there. Don't put the emoji in there. So anyways,
00:02:28 ◼ ► beats with the brown Zune. I forgot just how brown the Zune was. It was the most brown. This is a
00:02:39 ◼ ► bad looking piece of technology. It is not good looking, this brown Zune. I feel like history has
00:02:47 ◼ ► remembered the brown Zune correctly, which is that it's bad looking. The Zune itself looked cool.
00:02:54 ◼ ► This brown Zune, not good. It's like double injected with some sort of green as well. You
00:03:00 ◼ ► can kind of see from the edge. Well, I wonder if that is an aging. Let's see, brown Zune.
00:03:18 ◼ ► copy image address. Yeah, I would say that, you know, this is one of those like historic
00:03:26 ◼ ► things like memes and technology or whatever, right? The brown Zune. And I would say that
00:03:34 ◼ ► most of these things typically like they become memes, right? And they weren't actually as bad
00:03:39 ◼ ► as you remember them. This is as bad as you remember it visually. It's not a great looking
00:04:01 ◼ ► even this Zune, like the Zune looks fine, right? Like as actually quite a cool piece of technology
00:04:07 ◼ ► design wise. I just think that they did a bad job with this one colorway. Like it wasn't the
00:04:13 ◼ ► only color. You get it in different colors, but like this was just not great. I never owned a
00:04:18 ◼ ► Zune. Yeah, me neither. If you want to learn a lot about it though, there's an ancient episode
00:04:28 ◼ ► February 27th, 2020. You had no idea. The whole world was going to be a brown Zune very soon.
00:04:35 ◼ ► If you think about it, COVID was like the brown Zune. If you think about it. So this is technically
00:04:41 ◼ ► the Zune 30, the brown. Yeah. So they named their models. Nice. You notice 30 gigabytes?
00:04:52 ◼ ► the Metro design. Yeah. Was that Metro? Because I thought Metro was the key was like this tile.
00:04:59 ◼ ► This was like pre pre Metro, like Metro inherited a lot of Zune stuff like the all lowercase,
00:05:06 ◼ ► big text, white on black. This also was like some of the precursor to Windows phone, right?
00:05:13 ◼ ► Yes. Design style too. And then then I think that was where yeah, then it became Metro and
00:05:23 ◼ ► Windows modern design or something. Cause they didn't use the name. Windows phone seven, man.
00:05:30 ◼ ► So some good ideas. One of the best ideas, live widgets. That is an incredible segue that you
00:05:37 ◼ ► have just performed. Was that a thing? Live widgets and windows phone. Yeah. But remember
00:05:41 ◼ ► they had an ad. I will remember it until the day I die. It's like a dude standing at a urinal
00:05:47 ◼ ► and he like pulls his phone out and he can just glance at like the live tiles really quickly
00:05:51 ◼ ► and then move on. Cause it just had all the information there. That feels like a very early
00:05:55 ◼ ► 2000s ad to me. Like I don't know when this ad was made that that feels like an early 2000s ad
00:06:02 ◼ ► of like the attitude that it's going for. Like, ah, people use the bathroom. It's like, oh yeah,
00:06:09 ◼ ► I know. But like got a link in the discord for people. Bathroom bathroom. Really? Is that the
00:06:15 ◼ ► name of the ad? I don't know. This is just, uh, it came up on, uh, on, uh, Google search. Oh yeah.
00:06:22 ◼ ► Cause the guy says, really? Oh, here's a, here's an article. Microsoft settles bathroom ad dispute.
00:06:32 ◼ ► Who knew this was so spicy? Oh, he dropped the phone in the... It's edgy, man. I don't understand.
00:06:37 ◼ ► This, this ad is really weird. Not as weird as the Palm pre ad. Remember that one? Oh, with the,
00:06:44 ◼ ► the woman who didn't look real. Yeah. It was like if you took drugs and then watched, uh,
00:06:51 ◼ ► Lord of the rings or something. I don't know. Well, I think what they were going for was like
00:07:02 ◼ ► I think they were going for something like yoga-y maybe. I don't know. Maybe I'm not remembering
00:07:08 ◼ ► this. Anyways. Timery is going hard on widgets. So I, I, you know, I've been using the beta,
00:07:14 ◼ ► but Joe's posting about them on Mastodon too. So I put a link in the, in the notes. Like the obvious
00:07:20 ◼ ► one is a button to stop the current time entries and that's cool. And it's showing up in like all
00:07:25 ◼ ► different types of widgets, which is good. Um, but something which is super cool, which I had not
00:07:30 ◼ ► really considered is that so in the app you can have saved timers, right? And you could always
00:07:35 ◼ ► have a saved time as widget and it would show like the most six most recent widgets or whatever.
00:07:40 ◼ ► But Joe has set up a new widget option that will allow you to have multiple pages of saved timers.
00:07:47 ◼ ► And so you just have left and right buttons in the widgets. You can just page through the widget.
00:07:51 ◼ ► I think we're, we're reaching that point where people are doing weird stuff, which is good.
00:07:56 ◼ ► Right. And so like the idea that you can just have a bunch of widgets in the one widget and
00:08:02 ◼ ► you can just page through them all. That is cool. Like who needs stacks when you can just
00:08:12 ◼ ► many things that I love about it is it all is it all of his examples are parks and rec references.
00:08:25 ◼ ► I'm seeing more and more interesting stuff on different betas now that I think a secret,
00:08:31 ◼ ► but, uh, people are doing some cool things. I think we're, I think we're going to have a
00:08:41 ◼ ► So listen to Michael Roten. They have, I think pulled off the best use of basic 64 of all time.
00:08:48 ◼ ► The sound that I use, uh, from the St Jude air horn that signifies the start of the quizzes.
00:08:57 ◼ ► Michael has turned this into a shortcut using base 64. Oh no. So you can now press this button
00:09:07 ◼ ► whenever and wherever you want and it will make the noise using base 64, a basic 64 encoded sound.
00:09:12 ◼ ► Uh, I don't know if this is like a preferences as the iCloud link is in the, uh, I'm going to put it
00:09:21 ◼ ► it installed it as a menu bar shortcut, which just was very funny to me as a thought of like,
00:09:28 ◼ ► Oh, I must need it like immediately, you know, whenever at all times, you used to be walking
00:09:32 ◼ ► down the street and need a quiz, a random stranger and just go for it. Wait, no, I'm not doing the
00:09:41 ◼ ► actual sound. So I haven't played the sound cause I don't Federico would call foul if the quizzes
00:09:46 ◼ ► began right now. You know, I think we could hear it as an example and then we can move on. All
00:09:51 ◼ ► right, well let me get my iPhone pulled it off my ankle. Apple watch ultra man tied to the action,
00:10:05 ◼ ► mobile hotspots. I don't remember the context of this, but we talked about them and we were curious
00:10:12 ◼ ► if they were still widely in use, you know, outside of things like maybe it's a security
00:10:17 ◼ ► device for your company, corporate internet or something. And we got some feedback from
00:10:32 ◼ ► The easiest option is to give every department or every person who needs access to the internet,
00:11:07 ◼ ► sad, a little sad. You know, what would Federico follow up about? Would he have said anything
00:11:15 ◼ ► Well, I mean, he could collect it all up and bring it back to the show in a couple of weeks time.
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00:12:53 ◼ ► the show and Relay FM. So our friend Casey has a new app out. The call sheet has launched.
00:12:59 ◼ ► You and I have both been fortunate enough to use it during his beta cycle. Can you tell us
00:13:05 ◼ ► a little bit about this app? So if you are the type of person like me, like I think there are
00:13:11 ◼ ► a lot of people that are like this, but you're watching something on TV, you know, TV show or
00:13:17 ◼ ► movie like I've seen this person before. What do I know them from? This is what call sheet is for.
00:13:22 ◼ ► It's for looking up those stuff. So it is an application which uses the movie database,
00:13:27 ◼ ► gives a front end to that. So you can search for TV shows and movies, the cast and crew within them,
00:13:35 ◼ ► whether you're looking for actors, directors, producers, you know, you can look at a show,
00:13:39 ◼ ► you can see who's in it, you can tap through, see what they've done and kind of like go through the
00:13:43 ◼ ► stack of like finding different people, what they've been in and carrying on going through
00:13:48 ◼ ► and through and through. And Casey has built a really, really nice, well-designed, thoughtful
00:13:54 ◼ ► application to display this kind of information. We've all have our ways of doing it. Both me and
00:14:02 ◼ ► Casey have used the IMDB app for a long time. Like we've both been IMDB users. And I think this was
00:14:08 ◼ ► one of the places it came from. Like we would frequently lament, as I'm sure he has with many
00:14:11 ◼ ► other people, like that that app is just full of ads and it's just like not very well maintained,
00:14:17 ◼ ► I think. And so Casey took it upon himself to build, it's kind of one of those things where he,
00:14:28 ◼ ► and so CallSheet was born. Yeah, I wrote this in my link to it, but I really like believe it
00:14:35 ◼ ► that CallSheet is sort of the best of the indie app scene because it takes on a really big app
00:14:42 ◼ ► written by lots of people who don't care, but does a better job at it in every single way. Like think
00:14:47 ◼ ► about back in the day, Twitterific or Tweetbot versus the Twitter app, right? Huge app, right?
00:14:55 ◼ ► Lots of people working on it back in the day. Tweetbot and Twitterific, small teams building
00:14:59 ◼ ► really like polished experiences all throughout their app. And I think CallSheet is sort of next
00:15:06 ◼ ► in line in that thread. And I think that's really cool. I mean, I'll say this, like, it's Casey's
00:15:11 ◼ ► best app hands down. It is so good. The more you dig into it. It does more than I thought it did.
00:15:18 ◼ ► I learned about it while reading it, even though I've been using it for months, because it's so
00:15:22 ◼ ► feature rich. It's like everything that you could think about in an app like this. He thought about
00:15:28 ◼ ► and I'm really proud of him. I'm really happy for him. And I hope it does really well. And I think
00:15:33 ◼ ► it will. I mean, he's done a very good job. Like it's been in beta for a long time and he's done
00:15:39 ◼ ► a lot of work refining it. It's one of those kinds of applications where it's trying to surface and
00:15:45 ◼ ► show a lot of information well, and those kinds of apps are hard to make. And I think that he
00:15:51 ◼ ► clearly put the work in and it's just very good. This is one of those applications. Look, you know,
00:15:56 ◼ ► like we're all friends, right? And so like some, when a friend does a thing, you want to compliment
00:16:01 ◼ ► that friend and share it with other people. But this is just an application that I would be happy
00:16:06 ◼ ► to use, even if Casey hadn't made it. You know what I mean? It's just really good. Like it is a
00:16:12 ◼ ► very, very good app. He's done a very good job with it. We recommend that you try it out. And
00:16:17 ◼ ► he's also like the business model is good. I think he's implemented subscriptions in a good way where
00:16:23 ◼ ► the app is like completely usable for 20 searches. And then after that, it's an in-app subscription.
00:16:29 ◼ ► And I think it's like a very good free trial model. And then of course, right? You have an
00:16:34 ◼ ► in-app subscription. You also then get a free trial for a week, right? So you can like keep
00:16:39 ◼ ► using it. But like the 20 free, like full on searches, it's great. And I think for a lot of
00:16:45 ◼ ► people will last them a little bit of time too. Like, you know, unless you want to blast through
00:16:51 ◼ ► 20 searches, you got like a big afternoon planned. I don't know. But it will last you probably a
00:16:56 ◼ ► couple of weeks. You search a few things, realize that you like the utility of it and go for it.
00:17:01 ◼ ► And like an application like this has to be good because like you're competing with Google
00:17:04 ◼ ► ultimately, right? Like it's super easy to Google for these things, but it's about the way that the
00:17:09 ◼ ► information is shared and what the realistic use case is, which is then like going through a bunch
00:17:15 ◼ ► of different things in an experience, in an environment that's nice to use. And he's done
00:17:19 ◼ ► a good job. I think one of the best features of it is the ability to turn off select information to
00:17:25 ◼ ► avoid spoilers. So you can hide cast character names, cast episode counts, episode titles,
00:17:32 ◼ ► and episode thumbnails. So if you're sensitive to those sorts of things, you can hide them.
00:17:38 ◼ ► He talks about in his blog post about the reason he did that. That, you know, sometimes secret
00:17:43 ◼ ► identities or the fact that a character is going to get killed off early. And, you know, maybe you're
00:17:47 ◼ ► watching the show years later and you don't get spoiled. This one person is only there for three
00:17:51 ◼ ► episodes, right? And so you can, you can tailor that. Um, and one of my favorite things in it is
00:17:58 ◼ ► the, uh, uh, the ability when you're on like a media page, the quick access link is what he
00:18:05 ◼ ► calls it, where you can jump to Wikipedia or a parental guidance information or trivia page.
00:18:12 ◼ ► But I actually set it to, uh, to go, uh, where to watch that's actually powered by the just watch
00:18:19 ◼ ► database, which is another app, uh, iPhone app. That's kind of long these lines. It lets you
00:18:24 ◼ ► search for something and it tells you where you can stream it, uh, for, you know, if you have an
00:18:29 ◼ ► account or where you can purchase it or rent it or things like that. And I use just watch all the
00:18:34 ◼ ► time. And so now it's all kind of in one place for me. And I think that's, I think that's pretty
00:18:38 ◼ ► sweet. So on the spoilers, I have like a good example of something that happened to me, which,
00:18:45 ◼ ► uh, please permit me to spoil house of cards real quick. Uh, so we were watching. So if you've look
00:18:52 ◼ ► spoilers for the very old Netflix show house of cards that like people don't really watch anymore
00:18:58 ◼ ► because like Kevin Spacey no good, but at the time we didn't know that. Um, so, uh, I was watching
00:19:04 ◼ ► house of cards and, uh, was hearing like what his role was. And I was like, we're watching season
00:19:10 ◼ ► one and there've been like three or four seasons at this point or something. We were late to it.
00:19:13 ◼ ► And he's like chief whip or something, right. Is this role. And I was like, but I didn't understand
00:19:19 ◼ ► that from the context of the show. So like I Google Kevin Spacey house of cards job and it was
00:19:26 ◼ ► like president. I was like, damn it. So like we're in season one and it's just like spoiled,
00:19:34 ◼ ► like the biggest like plot point of like the next three seasons. That's hilarious. This is why
00:19:39 ◼ ► course sheet would be good because if course it was around then and I would have used it,
00:19:44 ◼ ► then I would not have known that Kevin Spacey becomes the president or was it. Well, Kevin
00:19:49 ◼ ► Spacey doesn't become the president, but Frank Underwood becomes a president. I'd have no idea
00:19:53 ◼ ► about it. And then I could have watched him piece and bliss. Can you believe my show was spoiled?
00:19:59 ◼ ► Look at that. Was that, was that an impression? That's me playing Kevin Spacey playing Frank
00:20:04 ◼ ► Underwood. Okay. That's really good. You don't, you can't see it, but I looked directly at the
00:20:08 ◼ ► camera when I did it. Beta five has been released for iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, MacOS, and of course,
00:20:21 ◼ ► tvOS, as we mentioned in the pro show. Pro version connected by the way, you may be wondering ad free
00:20:27 ◼ ► longer version of the show this week. We, uh, spoke about some tvOS leaks in a relation to the
00:20:33 ◼ ► vision pro kind of interesting stuff, but for beta five, I feel like there's actually quite a bit
00:20:38 ◼ ► here. I want to start with the changes in the app store because I think they've thrown both you
00:20:46 ◼ ► and, uh, and me for a bit of a loop. And so in the app store, like if you're on a search page or just
00:20:54 ◼ ► uh, uh, an app listing, the buttons used to be all capital letters. You would say get or open or
00:21:01 ◼ ► update right in all caps, like open this app, but now it's a title case. It's just a big, oh, little
00:21:09 ◼ ► little PEN. And I don't know, I don't know how I feel about it. I don't like it because it's new,
00:21:14 ◼ ► right? Like, because it's like, that's the issue. Like I opened the app store today and it says like,
00:21:22 ◼ ► like get and like open and update right. Like regular words. Uh, but now it looks wrong. So I
00:21:30 ◼ ► don't like it, but realistically it's, this is the way it should have always been. Like there was no
00:21:35 ◼ ► reason why these buttons should have been in all caps. It's not like a convention of iOS, right?
00:21:41 ◼ ► Like every other word on the screen around them is also written just regularly, right? Like in title
00:21:47 ◼ ► case or just, I don't even know if you'd call this title case. It's just a word written, right? Like,
00:21:53 ◼ ► you know what I mean? There's no more words. So it's not really title case, I guess, or is it?
00:21:57 ◼ ► How do you define it? The word is capitalized, I think is. Yeah, yeah. Cause it's just one word in
00:22:03 ◼ ► a box or like ellipses or whatever. Capitalization, frustration, my grammar's bleeding. Indeed. Are
00:22:09 ◼ ► you, are you like, beep, like doing some deep poetry right now? I don't know what's happening.
00:22:13 ◼ ► I don't feel very good. I'm kind of losing my voice and like, it's just a weird day. I think
00:22:16 ◼ ► it's coming across. So like get, open, update, right? Like now they just look, now they're just
00:22:21 ◼ ► regular and there's something about that that's weird, but realistically this is probably the way
00:22:25 ◼ ► it should have always been. Do you remember when they changed it from free to get? That was a weird
00:22:29 ◼ ► day. People freaked out. Why did they do that? Yeah, cause it's stupid. It doesn't make any sense.
00:22:35 ◼ ► You can still get an app that costs money. In 2014, okay, the first two Google results,
00:22:42 ◼ ► Business Insider and Time Magazine. That's how big of a deal it was. Apple made a huge,
00:22:48 ◼ ► massive change to how one word made a massive change to the Apple store. It's a big little
00:22:56 ◼ ► change. Wait, can you read that? I'm sorry. I stepped all over you there. Can you read that
00:23:01 ◼ ► again? Cause I was so surprised. How one word made a massive change to Apple's app store. Did they say
00:23:06 ◼ ► massive twice in the same thing? No, I think we sort of went over each other. I need to talk about
00:23:13 ◼ ► the home screen in this Time Magazine article. So you have contacts and calculator in a folder by
00:23:20 ◼ ► themselves with extras, called extras, voice memo, Words with Friends, Facebook, FaceTime, Shazam,
00:23:26 ◼ ► Twitter, Drudge Report, Direct TV, Google, Google Maps, The Weather Channel, Starbucks, Night Sky,
00:23:33 ◼ ► and then another version of Words with Friends. Whose phone is this? Whoever the reporter is.
00:23:40 ◼ ► Lynchy. Anyways, yes, people freaked out about that, you know. I'll put it in the Discord right
00:23:45 ◼ ► now. Who's framed the Drudge Report so often they need it on their home screen? Not important. Okay,
00:23:49 ◼ ► moving along. This is one of those things where I feel like you don't want the answer to that
00:23:54 ◼ ► question. Yeah, I don't want to know. I don't really know much about the Drudge Report. I
00:23:58 ◼ ► just know that it exists. It's better we just move on. Okay. Apple... No, no, I want to dig down in
00:24:05 ◼ ► this one. Can we talk about this? Also, there's another app that looks like Words with Friends.
00:24:09 ◼ ► Yeah, that's what I said. Yeah, it's like some other word game. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah,
00:24:14 ◼ ► it's not just another word game. It's like the same thing. It's another Zynga game, right? It
00:24:18 ◼ ► used to be a dog, I think, and it's not a dog anymore. So, Apple has also been tweaking the
00:24:24 ◼ ► live voicemail feature, which I'd say up until Beta 4, I'm not sure actually worked. I don't
00:24:30 ◼ ► think I get voicemails anymore, which is fine with me, honestly. Do you want to check? Yeah,
00:24:35 ◼ ► call me. I could just call you. Well, no, you have to like call me with my phone number,
00:24:39 ◼ ► though, not FaceTime. Yeah, no, that's fine. Okay. I'll build the connector podcast for the call.
00:24:45 ◼ ► Oh, good. All right, let me do that because I have actually not tried this. I think you should put
00:24:49 ◼ ► your phone on speaker and obviously put it up to the microphone. Yeah, hopefully it won't read your
00:24:53 ◼ ► phone number, though. It shouldn't. We'll work that out. Well, no, right? We'll get it. It'll
00:24:58 ◼ ► start with my area code is 91. Nice contact poster. Thank you. This is the first time I've
00:25:03 ◼ ► seen one of those. I don't think I've seen one before because I don't think that was working in
00:25:07 ◼ ► a previous Beta either. It would just, when I would go to it, it would just show me just
00:25:11 ◼ ► an avatar, like the little circle one for you. All right, let's call you, see what happens. Okay.
00:25:22 ◼ ► You've reached the voicemail of Steven Hackett. Leave a message and I'll get back with you.
00:26:11 ◼ ► Try it again. Try it again. I might have pressed the wrong button. I may have pressed the wrong
00:26:18 ◼ ► I'm recording a podcast here. I just see message, remind, do I have to set this up somehow?
00:26:25 ◼ ► Oh, you probably do. Yeah. All right. Come back, come back to me at the end of this topic.
00:26:30 ◼ ► This feature is very confusing. Apparently, Apple thinks it is too, because what the release notes
00:26:46 ◼ ► And so, now I guess, okay, so now I guess they got rid of that. It plays your voicemail message.
00:26:54 ◼ ► and then I can pick up and, like, interrupt the voicemail. But it's very strange and fuzzy how
00:27:01 ◼ ► this actually works. I'm sure people will get used to it. In fact, I think it's gonna be really cool
00:27:12 ◼ ► Oh. Steve asked, did you have to think for a minute whether they said your name or phone
00:27:17 ◼ ► number and your voicemail? Yes, because in the US, I think the default, if you don't record one,
00:27:28 ◼ ► I think for mine, it's just like, welcome to the EE voicemail. EE is the name of my carrier.
00:27:50 ◼ ► They, T-Mobile here, like the T-Mobile here, merged with another network called Orange in a
00:28:03 ◼ ► But it was very important at the time because EE were the first 4G LTE network. And so kind of two
00:28:12 ◼ ► networks had to come together to allow up the bandwidth space really to put an LTE. This was
00:28:18 ◼ ► a long time ago. This was like whenever the iPhone got LTE, they were like right there on day one.
00:28:30 ◼ ► I signed up for a new plan and got 5G, like just because I didn't particularly want 5G,
00:28:36 ◼ ► nor do I really feel like it helps me in any way in my life. But I signed up because I could have
00:28:45 ◼ ► Like, they were, I was like off net, like off plan for years. And they just kept sending me
00:28:51 ◼ ► deals. And like, I ended up getting a deal that was just like mega good. Like, I think for like
00:29:11 ◼ ► Live correction, live voicemails only available in the US and Canada at launch. Call Tyler Stahlman.
00:29:17 ◼ ► Moving on. Another feature in Iowa 17 that I know Mike, you've talked about other places,
00:29:23 ◼ ► is the mood logging feature in the health app. So this is in the health app. You also have the
00:29:28 ◼ ► ability to turn on notifications where it can remind you a couple of times a day, like, hey,
00:29:33 ◼ ► check in, how are you feeling? They've tweaked that design a bit more. And I was curious,
00:29:38 ◼ ► like, have you been using this and if you have, and you're willing to share, how is it, how's it felt?
00:29:44 ◼ ► So, I mean, I'm, I am only using it for cortex. It's not like I'm going to talk about it,
00:29:50 ◼ ► like, on the next episode. So I'm only using it for follow up. Like, I don't particularly have
00:29:55 ◼ ► a need right now for it because I'm seeing a therapist once a week. So like, I'm getting
00:30:00 ◼ ► enough, right? Like, I don't, I don't also need my phone to give me therapy at the moment. And so I'm
00:30:06 ◼ ► trying it. What I like about this feature and what I think is good about this feature is the visual
00:30:10 ◼ ► nature, like the graphics, like when, so the notifications are good. Like it just, I don't
00:30:15 ◼ ► know if it's on a timer. I haven't really paid attention to that, but like multiple times a day,
00:30:19 ◼ ► it will pop up and be like, Hey, how are you feeling? It will ask you, how are you feeling
00:30:23 ◼ ► right now? But you can also, um, go into the health app and do that whenever you want, which
00:30:29 ◼ ► just like medications, by the way, not easy. I feel like to find on the phone. Um, like I
00:30:35 ◼ ► wished that there was a way to more easily just get into that. I, is there a, I don't think there's
00:30:42 ◼ ► a watch app. I'm on not on the watch beta, but I don't think they broke that one out. Is there,
00:30:46 ◼ ► is there a mood app on that would be super weird if there was on the watch another easy to use that,
00:30:51 ◼ ► but, uh, but the notifications, they pop up, they ask you like, how you feeling right now?
00:30:55 ◼ ► Or how have you felt today? Like they're the two things that you can do. It's the same as when you
00:30:58 ◼ ► go into the health app and you go to that section and you go to logging, it will ask you like,
00:31:03 ◼ ► do you want to log how you're feeling right now or how you felt all day? And then you kind of
00:31:07 ◼ ► had the slider for like, you know, from like very negative to very positive. And it's like a slider.
00:31:13 ◼ ► And as you adjust the slider, the animation changes and the colors change. I think that
00:31:18 ◼ ► there's a lot of thought that's gone into that. I'm sure there's science has gone into that,
00:31:21 ◼ ► but the way that I look at it is like, it helps kind of like break down a barrier when there's a
00:31:25 ◼ ► visual and all words like you can kind of like, depending on the type of person you are, maybe you
00:31:31 ◼ ► resonate more with the imagery than the words or vice versa. And I think that's kind of cool.
00:31:35 ◼ ► So on watchOS real quick, they've built it into the mindfulness app. So if you open the mindfulness
00:31:40 ◼ ► app, there's a state of mind section and you can do your logging in there. That's great,
00:31:46 ◼ ► but I still don't understand why this stuff is like not easy to get to like proactively.
00:31:52 ◼ ► That's true of so, so much in the health app. The health app is so jumbled full of stuff. I,
00:32:00 ◼ ► but I still want too many pink pieces of data. And also they move around throughout the day. Like,
00:32:05 ◼ ► it's just not simple. Um, but you know, I like the, I like the, the visuals of it. Like I like the UI
00:32:11 ◼ ► when you're, when you're in it. But the problem is like, it asks you to describe kind of like how,
00:32:18 ◼ ► like you, you tell it how you're feeling and it's like, what, what is describing the feeling?
00:32:22 ◼ ► It's like you then give, like, so you say you're very pleasant, then it gives you a bunch of words
00:32:25 ◼ ► you can choose from. And there's loads of these. There's like loads and loads of words. I don't
00:32:31 ◼ ► know, like say like 20 or 30 words that you can choose from. Like there are like a bunch that are
00:32:35 ◼ ► highlighted, but then you can go in and choose more. Then it asks you what is making the biggest
00:32:40 ◼ ► impact. And there's just not enough words. There's like 15 words that you can choose from. And I've
00:32:46 ◼ ► hit a bunch of instances where I've wanted to say like, Oh, I'm feeling good or I'm feeling bad. And,
00:32:52 ◼ ► and I can't find something that matches the impact. So like I had one where it was like,
00:33:02 ◼ ► but there wasn't, there isn't like a home as the impact. So like there wasn't, I didn't feel like
00:33:07 ◼ ► I could accurately log it and you can only, they have a text field for additional context,
00:33:19 ◼ ► that they've done a good enough job with the amount of things that you can select. But,
00:33:25 ◼ ► but again, it's like all of this stuff, right? They have done a good job, I think, of making like a,
00:33:29 ◼ ► a, a base thing that exists. And if people want more, they can go and get it elsewhere.
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00:35:38 ◼ ► expecting. So with Federica not here I thought we could talk about something mac related. Yes.
00:35:46 ◼ ► And I thought that maybe you could make my mac life better and so I have asked for you to order
00:35:55 ◼ ► my Macintosh or my usage of said Macintosh and then make recommendations for how I should
00:36:03 ◼ ► should change what I'm doing. I am a Mac power user so this is what I thought I thought as a
00:36:08 ◼ ► Mac power is like how often do you get to talk to a Mac power user I may as well take a vant in
00:36:13 ◼ ► your case every day but yeah but not with your Mac power user hat on like that's not like a you know
00:36:20 ◼ ► like that's not like a always I don't always get that in fact in fact what I would say is I never
00:36:24 ◼ ► get that version of you I listen to my power users you're never that version so I want you to be that
00:36:29 ◼ ► version treat me treat me like you're David and you know and like and like paint me or something
00:36:36 ◼ ► you know. Let's start with hardware. Okay. I know you have changed your mac hardware and your mac
00:36:42 ◼ ► your general mac setup several times you have the studio you were working at home for a long time
00:36:47 ◼ ► you had the studio we had covid you're back in the studio again what what mac hardware is is in
00:36:53 ◼ ► your life right now so I use two macs every day I have a macbook air and I have a macbook pro okay
00:37:01 ◼ ► macbook pro is permanently docked to two monitors inside of my recording area in the studio which is
00:37:09 ◼ ► like soundproofed area in the studio which is not nice to sit and work in all the time because it's
00:37:15 ◼ ► like curtains and whatever so I also have like a bigger desk where I have my macbook air which
00:37:22 ◼ ► plugs into a studio display but then my macbook air is also the computer that comes home with me
00:37:28 ◼ ► every day and if I ever need to do a little bit of work at home then I'll grab the macbook air
00:37:32 ◼ ► it's rare but it happens. So the macbook pro is essentially a desktop? Yes. Why is it not just a
00:37:39 ◼ ► desktop? Because the mac studio I want costs like three thousand pounds. Fair. I just have yet to do
00:37:46 ◼ ► that. Yeah. Like it's a plan like I have now that now that they have by the way like I'm not telling
00:37:52 ◼ ► you to do this but I have 100% thought to myself well I'm gonna do whatever you tell me to do and
00:37:58 ◼ ► if you tell me to buy a mac studio before next week's episode I don't want to do that sure but
00:38:04 ◼ ► it is kind of the power I'm putting in your hands I ask you to wield it lightly but it is it is a
00:38:10 ◼ ► really good computer. Oh I know it's a really good computer it's why you got rid of yours
00:38:15 ◼ ► and replaced it for a macbook pro. Yeah. Like I have decided that I want a mac studio and
00:38:22 ◼ ► the main reason I haven't done is that if I buy a mac studio I also want to buy another studio
00:38:25 ◼ ► display it's like it's too much money and just like I just I will get to it I just don't want
00:38:29 ◼ ► to do it yet. Sure. But now that they have revised the mac studio I am confident that it is a product
00:38:36 ◼ ► that will remain like I just like many of us right I just wasn't completely sure and I wasn't sure if
00:38:42 ◼ ► I wanted to buy into that. Yeah. Like was it going to be another iMac Pro moment? Yeah man the iMac
00:38:47 ◼ ► Pro makes me sad it was such a good computer you had one right? Yeah I had I had one for years I
00:38:54 ◼ ► think it was maybe the longest I've used a mac I had it for like four years. I loved I loved the
00:38:59 ◼ ► iMac Pro it was so good. I understand why you have multiple setups I will say I have the same issue
00:39:05 ◼ ► you do I work in a bigger room it's not as quiet as I would like it to be over podcasting I have
00:39:11 ◼ ► uh portable like stand-up foam pieces like they're hard to explain they're in frames they're like
00:39:20 ◼ ► framed acoustic panels that are on wheels and so I can put them behind my desk when I'm recording
00:39:25 ◼ ► and yeah I tried that it wasn't enough for me I I needed I need like acoustic curtains in this room
00:39:32 ◼ ► like realistically I need to build a room inside of this room I just don't want to do that. Can I
00:39:38 ◼ ► audit your workspace? I mean... When is your lease up? Let's start there. Well I'm not really on a
00:39:45 ◼ ► lease anymore I'm like on a rolling like it is a goal of mine one day to actually actually buy
00:39:52 ◼ ► a studio but this is years into the future just because like I'm giving someone a rent payment
00:39:57 ◼ ► every month and I can't really do the things I want to do because I don't like I don't want to
00:40:02 ◼ ► start drilling into these walls because I have to put this studio back to it the way I found it and
00:40:09 ◼ ► also there's only so much I can do anyway so like one day I will find myself an actual studio space
00:40:14 ◼ ► somewhere but that's in that's into the long term future I'm happy where I am for the moment. So
00:40:19 ◼ ► you've got a macbook pro so there's effectively a desktop yes the other thing I wanted to mention
00:40:23 ◼ ► is like why do I want separate machines it just popped into my head there because obviously you
00:40:27 ◼ ► have the one machine that's where it was where I was going I was like okay so you have these two
00:40:31 ◼ ► why do you have two my recording computer I want in a completely stable state like it does not run
00:40:37 ◼ ► the most recent version of the operating system the heart like the apps that are on it are set up
00:40:42 ◼ ► in just a certain way like I don't want to I thought about this for a while I was like oh
00:40:48 ◼ ► I could just have one laptop and I could just have it be the one machine and I move it from place to
00:40:53 ◼ ► place like desk to desk I tried that I didn't like doing that it was just annoying because this is
00:40:58 ◼ ► also a time where before the studio display existed and no displays in my life would ever work properly
00:41:04 ◼ ► if I unplug them yeah I'm still using those displays but now they stay plugged in all the
00:41:10 ◼ ► time so it isn't a problem except when I need to restart my mac and then it's just like oh I spend
00:41:15 ◼ ► like 10 minutes plugging and unplugging things until it works again but I also kind of realized
00:41:21 ◼ ► that I I've always valued the peace of mind that keeping a mac in a stable software and operating
00:41:31 ◼ ► system state provides me but I'm also primarily a mac user now so I also want the most recent version
00:41:40 ◼ ► of the operating system immediately so I kind of need two max to deal with these two parts of my
00:41:46 ◼ ► personality yeah I get it I mean I went from two machines down to one and it comes with some costs
00:41:53 ◼ ► there for sure so you got the MacBook Pro you got the MacBook Air as the sort of everywhere else
00:42:00 ◼ ► machine how do you so you're recording how do you get files from one to the other Dropbox and you
00:42:06 ◼ ► got gigabit so it's pretty quick everything goes into Dropbox in me anyway right like that's just
00:42:10 ◼ ► like a thing like every file I have goes into Dropbox got it I don't even put unless something's
00:42:18 ◼ ► on the desktop but nothing important goes on the desktop like ever the only thing that like I
00:42:23 ◼ ► frequently use on the desktop is so for upgrade we have these like shortcuts that I use that Jason
00:42:33 ◼ ► wrote that create timestamps you use them too right and it throws a text file onto my desktop
00:42:40 ◼ ► but I all I ever do is just copy the text out of that and just put it in slack for Jim and then
00:42:46 ◼ ► that's the end of it like it's not a file that I need it's all in Dropbox all in Dropbox so the
00:42:51 ◼ ► max you do would be expensive would the m2 pro mac mini fit like would that would that give you
00:42:56 ◼ ► enough storage and power everything you need for that station I'd imagine that it would if I'm
00:43:01 ◼ ► gonna do it I want a max studio if I'm gonna do it like because this mac pro I have I have the m1 max
00:43:09 ◼ ► like I really want to go up like and also like when I do this my plan is it will be like the
00:43:16 ◼ ► iMac pro for me where it's like I'm gonna have the machine for like five years or something and it's
00:43:21 ◼ ► just gonna do its thing so like if I'm gonna do it I want to do it plus I want one of the good
00:43:27 ◼ ► things for me about the max studio and it was what really like 100 sealed this to me was something
00:43:33 ◼ ► David said on Mac power users about like and you were talking to him about it of like I could get
00:43:39 ◼ ► rid of the dock that I use because I will have enough I/O for everything I need on the machine
00:43:46 ◼ ► and I would like that because I'm very happy with the dock I have an OWC dock and it works great but
00:43:53 ◼ ► it's just an extra hassle like today I had a thing where like I don't know why but my ethernet stopped
00:44:00 ◼ ► working so I had to unplug and replug the ethernet cable in and restart my mac because something went
00:44:05 ◼ ► weird at the dock I've had it happen a couple of times it's like whatever but I just want all of
00:44:12 ◼ ► this stuff is always easier and always better when it's just plugged directly into the computer
00:44:16 ◼ ► so like it's just another reason why max studio will be a thing for the future yeah I've got a
00:44:22 ◼ ► cal digit uh the t is the ts4 the current one I think I think it's the one I've got and yeah
00:44:32 ◼ ► definitely not as nice as the max studio where things are just permanently there yeah I really
00:44:37 ◼ ► like the OWC dock I know everyone always talks about the cow digit cow digit doc cow digit but
00:44:41 ◼ ► I have the 11 port thunderbolt dock from OWC and I prefer it to the cow digit I think it looks nicer
00:44:48 ◼ ► and I found the cow digit to be unreliable with monitor stuff the OWC is better okay they're all
00:44:57 ◼ ► reliable when it's not a studio display yeah this is better so that's the hardware you've talked
00:45:03 ◼ ► about why you have multiple setups I do think that having a desktop would be nice for you
00:45:09 ◼ ► in that station but I understand that that's a bunch of money if you want something to last a
00:45:14 ◼ ► long time and another reason I haven't done it by the way is I'll also have to re-do the desk
00:45:19 ◼ ► completely and I'm just like I can't be bothered with it right now you gotta find a Sunday
00:45:23 ◼ ► afternoon to do that you know yeah it's like it's none of this none of the way I have this set up is
00:45:29 ◼ ► going to work like it's all going to have to change because plus the desk that I use to record on is a
00:45:35 ◼ ► small desk I got like the smallest desk that fully made like it's not very big so every inch of this
00:45:42 ◼ ► desk is very effectively planned and used it's it is the best layout I've ever had on a desk
00:45:49 ◼ ► right it's just like all set nicely um but that will all have to change and I and I'm confident
00:45:55 ◼ ► I can make it work but it's just like another reason why I haven't been like super like keen
00:46:01 ◼ ► on going to the max studio route but the issue I have I know I have is the longer I leave it
00:46:06 ◼ ► the less money I can make out of this metal pro that's true like that's that's where the clock
00:46:10 ◼ ► is ticking but just trying to line everything up hasn't been awesome I don't know if you knew
00:46:15 ◼ ► by a boy house last year and we're decorating the whole house so it's like you know money is
00:46:25 ◼ ► etc mine mine are extra unprecedented let's switch gears to software you have provided a couple of
00:46:36 ◼ ► full of images that we can put in the discord and in the show notes of your menu bar and your doc is
00:46:43 ◼ ► this from the macbook air I assume yes okay because that's that's your daily really you're you're just
00:46:49 ◼ ► sitting down actively the same okay like but the macbook pro has a couple of different things
00:46:54 ◼ ► um like I have skype in the dock of my macbook pro which I don't have in my macbook air okay um
00:47:14 ◼ ► got it which was important because when it's just a map okay all of the things in my menu bar you
00:47:20 ◼ ► don't see them all yeah yeah chaos yeah yeah I use uh I use what what did we just said it what is
00:47:29 ◼ ► the name of this app uh bartender yeah all the time no but even then like even with bartender
00:47:35 ◼ ► like if I have a time retimer running yes that's because you have too many things okay so I want
00:47:38 ◼ ► to put this in the discourse people can see your menu bar you don't need all this stuff visible all
00:47:43 ◼ ► the time what are you talking about some of the stuff like battery and audio that can go into
00:47:47 ◼ ► control center why easily so I'm gonna tell you no on that one right like hey who's doing the
00:47:54 ◼ ► auditing here son well okay but I can I don't just have to do well I guess that is the point isn't it
00:47:59 ◼ ► I do have to do whatever you're telling me yeah I don't like that though can I can I answer for my
00:48:03 ◼ ► crimes please if you would call them out so battery is that like the macbook air surprises
00:48:11 ◼ ► me sometimes where it's like oh no I just didn't charge and I'm not aware of that until it's too
00:48:17 ◼ ► late and I think this comes from like being plugged in all the time like sometimes it doesn't
00:48:21 ◼ ► charge like it purposefully isn't charging like the mac is trying to do some smart stuff of assuming
00:48:29 ◼ ► like oh I don't need to charge right now like it assumes that I don't need battery it's like
00:48:33 ◼ ► sometimes I'm at home and I've got my laptop open and my battery's super low but I guess it will
00:48:37 ◼ ► tell me right yeah all right I'm gonna agree with you on that one I will although you should be
00:48:43 ◼ ► keeping these for the end you're supposed to make your recommendations for me at the end so you
00:48:46 ◼ ► should be keeping notes all right I'm gonna put an image in my menu bar I'm doing it now with
00:48:51 ◼ ► bartender expanded so people can see it uh so you've got you got your less a lot of stuff in
00:48:57 ◼ ► the menu bar all the time what is that moom do I see moom is your window manager moom is my window
00:49:03 ◼ ► manager okay that's good I think that's uh spoilers for the upcoming episode of mac power users but
00:49:08 ◼ ► that's the one everyone should try first that's good you've got some stuff in here though that
00:49:12 ◼ ► I'm not super familiar with right off the bat what's the downward arrow in a box and the circle
00:49:17 ◼ ► next to it that is drop zone this is a voorhees app right like he's a fan of it I think I heard
00:49:24 ◼ ► about it on a mac power users episode interesting it was one of the like this is ages ago like uh
00:49:30 ◼ ► cheap utilities for the mac episode or something like that like 10 under 15 or something like that
00:49:37 ◼ ► I don't remember what the conceit was but it was like you guys were just running through a bunch
00:49:41 ◼ ► of mac apps that you like and I've got to say there is something particularly fun in that
00:49:46 ◼ ► because you always say like ah did you not hear on my power users like I must have forgotten proving
00:49:52 ◼ ► that you can also forget sure well the on sunday's episode we rounded up like 15 window managers and
00:49:59 ◼ ► it's pushed all other mac utilities out of my brain I don't remember there are no the only
00:50:02 ◼ ► mac utilities that exist yeah managers yeah um okay so you've got that you got some inside a
00:50:09 ◼ ► bartender you've got you guys got a whole bunch here could you just quickly run through them maybe
00:50:14 ◼ ► left to right yeah that's the Wacom app okay for a Wacom tablet then carabiner elements oh boy
00:50:22 ◼ ► you're doing the hyper key thing yeah I do this for the um the aforementioned uh shortcuts that
00:50:31 ◼ ► I use to trigger the note things for uh taking notes when I'm recording with json of like edit
00:50:38 ◼ ► points and stuff I have like so it's bound like caps lock is therefore replaced to shift control
00:50:47 ◼ ► command option or whatever and so I press like caps lock a to bring up the notes thing however
00:50:55 ◼ ► when I'm actually I have that but then I also have a macro pad which is also bound to those same
00:51:01 ◼ ► things okay so I could press those buttons but I also want it so when if I'm recording while
00:51:06 ◼ ► traveling it's the it's the same thing like caps lock a caps lock s that kind of stuff to fire
00:51:11 ◼ ► those off uh then it's time machine but you knew that yes then I have clean my mac then I have set
00:51:19 ◼ ► app and then obsidian obsidian yeah that's a terrible menu bar icon obsidian what are you doing
00:51:25 ◼ ► yeah yeah well it's the new logo right the new have you seen that you know the new logo I like
00:51:31 ◼ ► the new yeah yeah it's bad oh I like it raycast which is an even worse logo that's the worst one
00:51:36 ◼ ► up here I think it's like it's like ibm it looks mate there's something really 1981 about it yeah
00:51:43 ◼ ► I don't understand the raycast logo at all uh then hand mirror which is a really cool little utility
00:51:49 ◼ ► which um lets you just show your camera it just gives you like your camera in a little drop down
00:51:55 ◼ ► window so you can see how you look before going on a call uh pop clip okay which lets you do stuff
00:52:01 ◼ ► with text like it ostensibly like you should cut copy paste when you highlight text but I have a
00:52:07 ◼ ► few things there so like if I highlight a bunch of links it will allow me to open all those links at
00:52:12 ◼ ► once which is very helpful um and I also have it for title casing stuff okay um then I have istamp
00:52:19 ◼ ► menus yeah you got cpu memory ssd and then your network activity yeah why do you care about what
00:52:27 ◼ ► about any of that like you have a awesome apple silicon machine the main one I want is network
00:52:33 ◼ ► activity and it's like if I think something's going wrong but I just leave it there it's just
00:52:38 ◼ ► like in there like it's in bartender I never see it like yeah yeah so if I ever need it it's there
00:52:43 ◼ ► uh but I don't uh back blaze good call and then spotlight text expander rocket which is the
00:52:51 ◼ ► emoji app and air buddy you have you have really put together like a who's who of mac utilities
00:52:56 ◼ ► here so I commend you for that there's some really good stuff in here it's because I listen to this
00:53:00 ◼ ► podcast these guys just talk about my values all the time it's really it's menu bar power users
00:53:08 ◼ ► we just do other stuff sometimes yeah yeah I think my concern about your menu bar is that there are
00:53:15 ◼ ► some things that should probably be in bartender and some things that probably shouldn't be like
00:53:20 ◼ ► for example okay I would think as the way I do it time machine is pretty important to me like I want
00:53:26 ◼ ► to know if my backups have just stopped or if one's currently running and maybe if I give it 30
00:53:32 ◼ ► seconds I can you know then eject the drive and move on that I feel like is more important than
00:53:37 ◼ ► something like moom or screenshot x or p-couch are you making an are you making a recommendation
00:53:44 ◼ ► because we've we've already had this conversation yeah but I feel like okay okay oh or you can
00:53:50 ◼ ► split it if you want I will split it we're gonna give you recommendations now already down this
00:53:53 ◼ ► road I just I feel like the priority of what is in the menu bar what is not is just a little bit
00:53:58 ◼ ► confused in places that's all well I would say I feel like I never need time machine like I don't
00:54:04 ◼ ► ever want to think about it like I don't want to check that it's happening like it should just be
00:54:08 ◼ ► working should be right but but also time machine will tell you if it hasn't been backing up after
00:54:16 ◼ ► like 14 days like yeah but that's fine because I use back place okay and I guess I guess you're
00:54:22 ◼ ► like me everything's in dropbox everything's in dropbox yeah okay so like I'm willing to take your
00:54:28 ◼ ► recommendations but there I feel like there are some things where maybe I can give additional
00:54:31 ◼ ► context for it's like I can put it in the menu bar but like I don't need it there well in that case
00:54:37 ◼ ► I would just I would try to find a couple of things that could go into bartender really so your
00:54:43 ◼ ► time or a menu bar item can be visible at all times that feels like yeah I think I think I'm
00:54:48 ◼ ► gonna well I'm gonna make make your suggestion of removing the battery why volume though do you
00:54:57 ◼ ► think you see you don't think I need that I don't think so I mean it's just running control center
00:55:01 ◼ ► and if you're hooked up to an interface it doesn't work anyway so yeah but this this mac isn't but
00:55:05 ◼ ► like I have it because it's also like a quick way to attach my air pods even though you're running
00:55:11 ◼ ► everybody everybody I feel like I can never really get my air pods where I want them to be
00:55:16 ◼ ► yeah do you use the auto switching thing yes yeah it's it's I've turned it back on in the beta and
00:55:22 ◼ ► I think it's better now than it used to be but sometimes it just doesn't do what I want it to do
00:55:25 ◼ ► I love it except with the mac like that's the problem like on ios and ipad os it's awesome
00:55:32 ◼ ► but on the mac it's kind of never really doing what I want it to do so I want a bit more control
00:55:37 ◼ ► over it you also have uh what is the icon in between one password and fantastical what's the
00:55:45 ◼ ► clock icon the clock it's called the clock it's a wild clock got it okay I was like why why do you
00:55:52 ◼ ► have I would say I could move that to bartender I don't need that enough yeah so I use else when
00:55:59 ◼ ► to make time list but I also use it to quickly just like see what time it's going to be in a
00:56:04 ◼ ► place well let me ask you this question has else when changed their menu bar icon no so this is
00:56:09 ◼ ► what I'm going to say else when developers you are in our discord your app does not need to have its
00:56:15 ◼ ► name in my menu bar you don't need to be as wide as the date apple puts up there just put your icon
00:56:21 ◼ ► get rid of the name please please please please please we love the app elswin is an incredible app
00:56:29 ◼ ► it's one of my favorite apps this is almost a deal breaker for well for putting it in the menu bar
00:56:34 ◼ ► so just I don't use the menu bar utility you gotta banish it you gotta that's no good apparently you
00:56:39 ◼ ► can now remove the name from the menu bar app we are now being given live I don't know but I'm being
00:56:43 ◼ ► told that Steven you can remove the name from the new route okay someone tell me where it is and we
00:56:47 ◼ ► go okay I will come back to that that's good I'm glad that's there I seem to get it working other
00:56:52 ◼ ► than that I feel like yeah I feel like your menu bar is okay just I think I think the top level
00:56:55 ◼ ► needs some tidying up that's what I would say all right so I'm gonna what I'm gonna do I'm gonna
00:57:01 ◼ ► the clock well the clock is gonna be replaced for elswin so that's one I'm gonna put the battery
00:57:08 ◼ ► and sound into control center back into control center and I'm gonna see how I feel about that
00:57:18 ◼ ► else when we'll also be in bartender because I don't I don't need that there all the time
00:57:22 ◼ ► and I'll know where to go to find it okay all right they're good ones this episode of connected
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00:59:11 ◼ ► support of the show and relay fm most important question mike where is your doc placed in the
00:59:17 ◼ ► middle good good where is supposed to be that's that's where we want it uh it's more like a palette
00:59:23 ◼ ► there i think more than anything else but that's cool it's on the right it's on the right like a
00:59:27 ◼ ► civilized person if you send feedback telling us where what the dot where the correct placement of
00:59:34 ◼ ► the doc is we're not going to read it because this is a personal decision and many of us believe and
00:59:41 ◼ ► just know that the right side is the correct side wait you can't say it's a personal decision and
00:59:47 ◼ ► then say what's correct you can't i can say what i want because i'm on the show right ah i see i see
00:59:54 ◼ ► yeah if you if you wanna if you want to disagree with us start your own podcast and say it on the
00:59:59 ◼ ► podcast nine years later you can say it on your own podcast no uh i i used to be a bit of a a bit
01:00:06 ◼ ► hard on people about burning the doc in the wrong place and as i've gotten older and and wiser and
01:00:12 ◼ ► honestly um just older uh i've learned that you know some people just can't be helped and they
01:00:18 ◼ ► don't want to listen you're oscillating so wildly here right now i'm loving it's it's some sort of
01:00:27 ◼ ► uh tests for our listeners so you got a bunch of stuff in here probably a few more things than i
01:00:31 ◼ ► do but you're a professional you have oh no the mac stories virus has gotten you you have the app
01:00:38 ◼ ► store uh and your doc with the badge turned on yeah tell me tell me about that don't have an
01:00:45 ◼ ► answer for it it's a good question i feel like the app store no matter what i tell it refuses to
01:00:54 ◼ ► update applications automatically yes on the mac and the iphone both so maybe this is why i've
01:00:59 ◼ ► decided to keep it because i feel like if i'm not aware of it like i'm never my apps are never
01:01:05 ◼ ► going to get updated that's fair so what what do you do how do you keep your apps up to date if
01:01:09 ◼ ► you don't see uh i just open the app store like once a month and like oh gosh there's 27 things
01:01:13 ◼ ► in here yeah i can't live my life that way this so look if you want if you're telling me i need
01:01:18 ◼ ► to remove it then i'll remove it but like the reason i keep it is i've been through this before
01:01:22 ◼ ► right and it's just like uh yeah well there's no other way for me to update the apps because also
01:01:26 ◼ ► the notification i never want that all right i don't want the notification that tells me that's
01:01:31 ◼ ► that's yeah it's the worst possible because it's i'm never ready you know like i i'm ready for this
01:01:37 ◼ ► when i'm like oh let me do some chores on my mac or whatever right like i'm just tidying up some
01:01:40 ◼ ► stuff getting rid of some windows or whatever and i'm like oh i could also update some applications
01:01:45 ◼ ► so i could go and update some applications so i think that's why i leave it there okay okay i
01:01:49 ◼ ► think that i think that makes sense what i will concede is like i don't need set up in the dark
01:01:53 ◼ ► i'm gonna get rid of that yeah their icon's pretty good though but i don't think it i think set up
01:01:58 ◼ ► actually does a better job than the mac app store of like updates like it deals with updates in the
01:02:02 ◼ ► way that other mac apps do with updates so like it pops up and they use them and like hey this
01:02:06 ◼ ► needs to be updated will you update it and it's like yeah okay i'll do it right like i'm used to
01:02:10 ◼ ► this yeah well like i kind of even though like the mac app store updating flow should be easier it
01:02:17 ◼ ► isn't like i actually kind of like my app to tell me it needs an update and then i do the update
01:02:25 ◼ ► right because like i've opened the app i know it's only going to take like an extra minute and i'll
01:02:30 ◼ ► be ready to do whatever it was i wanted to do in the first place so yeah i like that flow so what
01:02:35 ◼ ► what is your okay so so next you've got settings you need that on the mac i use alpha and i usually
01:02:43 ◼ ► just search and hit it but that's fine yeah but i don't need it there i was a guy for years people
01:02:51 ◼ ► would pile on me on twitter because i had doc in the setting of uh i had settings in the dock of my
01:02:56 ◼ ► iphone and people thought it was uh ridiculous yeah that's bananas we're not turning our attention to
01:03:01 ◼ ► you today okay but that that's wild uh i'm curious looking through this list i see what i think is
01:03:07 ◼ ► some rough groupings could you tell us a little bit of if that's the case or yeah there are some
01:03:13 ◼ ► groupings so like some apps see the problem is some apps are snuck into the groups so like that
01:03:19 ◼ ► top group infiltrated yeah that top group used to be like apple stuff okay then set up went in there
01:03:25 ◼ ► because it was like the logical place to put the setup icon icon next to the app store right sure
01:03:30 ◼ ► right but you got like it goes finder app store setup settings safari music right and then sonos
01:03:40 ◼ ► and i see why those two are together right you get your media playback control type stuff
01:03:45 ◼ ► then i've got messages slack and discord okay and then notes obsidian and notion yeah obsidian
01:03:53 ◼ ► is not going to stick around i was going to say didn't you move aren't you moving out of obsidian
01:03:58 ◼ ► i am moving it's slow okay like everything new is going in and now like the old stuff is being moved
01:04:04 ◼ ► out but that's gonna take a while uh then i got reader r-w-e-d-e-r reader yeah classic that's good
01:04:23 ◼ ► timere zoom logic audition quick time audio hijack piezo fission forecast overcast fusion cast
01:04:35 ◼ ► that's the cast section so that's your podcast production section yeah why audio hijack and
01:04:43 ◼ ► piezo just because pa's is like good for fast little stuff i okay uh why do i use piezo i mean
01:04:50 ◼ ► it looks good but it's cool i use pa's okay so yeah all right i know what really this is on
01:04:59 ◼ ► the macbook this okay so i have this when i'm recording so i like to have two recordings of
01:05:06 ◼ ► every podcast right so when i'm recording a zoom call i use zoom right and audio hijack sure when
01:05:16 ◼ ► i use skype there is no skype recording anymore yeah yeah call recorder is long gone to use audio
01:05:24 ◼ ► hijack and piezo okay okay i i understand that um it's just frustrating to me that i can't yeah
01:05:35 ◼ ► the big thing you do is whatever you're recording on skype is get rid of that like you tell him come
01:05:39 ◼ ► on i'm also struck okay so so the way that that i tend to think about the doc on the side is
01:05:47 ◼ ► vertical hierarchy and so more important things seem like kind of bubble further up and i still
01:05:55 ◼ ► do some grouping like you do right like slack and discord and ivory like you know there's kind of
01:06:01 ◼ ► communications you know they're together um i have zoom audio hijack logic forecasts and overcast
01:06:07 ◼ ► towards the bottom because those are podcast things i've seen a couple days a week but things
01:06:12 ◼ ► like spark and mime stream kind of lost there in the middle no man's land and also there's no
01:06:19 ◼ ► badges on them is all your email checked like what's your philosophy on badges on the mac
01:06:23 ◼ ► i'm trying to get rid of badges from everything other than messaging services so like we were
01:06:29 ◼ ► talking about this i've taken badges off todoist on my phone and i need to take badges off todoist
01:06:34 ◼ ► on my mac and like i don't want email badges yeah like i'm trying to get to a point in my life
01:06:42 ◼ ► where i only have badges for instant messaging okay wow how old you sounded real old there for
01:06:49 ◼ ► a second why instant messaging well but that was it it wasn't just like messaging it's like
01:06:55 ◼ ► for slack but only dms for iMessages right do you know what i mean so it's like what i would
01:07:03 ◼ ► consider to not just be messaging but instant message yet you have discord with the badge with
01:07:08 ◼ ► no number someone tell me how to get rid of it i can't i just i feel this makes me like an old man
01:07:14 ◼ ► it is i feel like it's almost impossible to get discord to not give me some kind of badge no
01:07:19 ◼ ► matter what i do agreed yeah i don't want the red badge with the white dot in the middle but i also
01:07:25 ◼ ► want to get numbers you know yeah see i have no i have notifications off for discord on the mac
01:07:32 ◼ ► i have desktop notifications but unread message badge turned off and so i just have notifications
01:07:40 ◼ ► for like a very few things and then uh but never badges but yeah it is discord i think is a little
01:07:47 ◼ ► confusing in that in that way i think that's totally fair totally fair discord wants your
01:07:51 ◼ ► attention all the time yep um you got two male apps here mime stream and spark mail spark mail
01:07:59 ◼ ► is for if i can remember correctly is relay stuff with you and cari so you can have like
01:08:03 ◼ ► side conversations and and my personal email and your personal email is in there because mime
01:08:07 ◼ ► stream doesn't do iCloud it's just Gmail right now correct what's in mime stream then cortex stuff
01:08:12 ◼ ► just cortex okay because they're all Gmail accounts okay my actually really good it's yeah i
01:08:18 ◼ ► and i'm kind of like i'm in this like diff i'm in like a difficult phase of email again because it's
01:08:24 ◼ ► like now i'm getting enough email like part of the reason i was able to keep the apps separate was
01:08:30 ◼ ► because it wasn't getting a lot of email through the cortex email but now i'm dealing with more
01:08:34 ◼ ► of that yeah and so like i have to use the gmail app on my iphone and so i'm kind of like shut this
01:08:41 ◼ ► out it went to spark but i really don't want to do that uh i'm in a i'm in a bad i'm in a bad email
01:08:46 ◼ ► i'm always in a bad email spot right and like right now is bad i you know steven i also thought
01:08:51 ◼ ► i'm thinking like can and this i don't know if i can do this but like can i turn off notifications
01:08:58 ◼ ► for email like i feel like i feel like maybe i could do that but i don't know i'm scared but
01:09:04 ◼ ► like i feel like i can get in closer to the point where i can do that and i would love to do that
01:09:10 ◼ ► but i can't bring myself to do that but i don't if i'm if i might be an honest in myself i i don't
01:09:17 ◼ ► think i need it but i think the main honestly the main issue i would find is like triaging
01:09:24 ◼ ► like i triage email from notifications all the time i literally someone something came in when
01:09:30 ◼ ► you were talking i deleted it from the notification like this is gone exactly so i feel like otherwise
01:09:34 ◼ ► every time i sit down and open my emails be like ah right it's gonna be like too much do you
01:09:39 ◼ ► subscribe to the thing i know some people do this and it's madness to me like i'm only looking at my
01:09:44 ◼ ► email between one and three pm no no no no because do you know why i exist in the real world yeah
01:09:50 ◼ ► right like i i tried this yeah i tried this we have a company people need us yeah i tried this
01:09:56 ◼ ► when i worked at the bank yeah well bank's not a real company i mean it worked oh it worked because
01:10:01 ◼ ► i just didn't care that's the way to do it you know what i mean if you just don't care then like
01:10:07 ◼ ► you can get away with a lot of things but that wasn't yeah like that was the thing i could do
01:10:12 ◼ ► then uh but now i kind of like i care so i don't you know but yeah no i i would like to i would
01:10:20 ◼ ► like to i'm thinking about it like obviously i don't know why but like i'm thinking about a lot
01:10:27 ◼ ► things are popping i'm like you have open pandora's box right like i thought of one thing so i'm like
01:10:32 ◼ ► well what about this other thing as well right i noticed uh a couple things here that i just have
01:10:37 ◼ ► a couple questions about parcel and shortcuts are you using them enough for them to take up
01:10:43 ◼ ► docker the state i don't know why they're there okay i'm gonna i'm gonna ask you a question too
01:10:48 ◼ ► i want to see if you have this issue and i don't know why this happens when i get notifications
01:10:52 ◼ ► from parcel on my mac when i clear them it opens the app yeah why why how how and why no other app
01:11:02 ◼ ► that i use does this but if i press the x button it opens parcel why does that happen i don't i
01:11:09 ◼ ► don't know is it a catalyst app maybe that's like a weird uh i don't i don't know but do you have
01:11:15 ◼ ► this happen if you haven't noticed uh yes i do isn't that strange it is weird like i don't use
01:11:21 ◼ ► any other application where this happens because it also just feels like who is that who who who's
01:11:28 ◼ ► that for you know what i mean like who's that for i've said no i don't want it like but you open the
01:11:34 ◼ ► app like that doesn't make any sense yo i blame notifications on the mac for this by the way
01:11:40 ◼ ► because that the system is bad that's true it's true uh you also have things down here like
01:11:47 ◼ ► floating out i guess well first of all is numbers always there or is it there just because it's open
01:11:51 ◼ ► at the moment uh numbers is always there now wow big business boy yeah yeah yeah and you've got
01:11:59 ◼ ► things what's going on with things and why is it not with todoist uh technically things is part of
01:12:05 ◼ ► the podcast production workflow okay but like so down at the bottom there there's just a bunch of
01:12:11 ◼ ► miscellaneous stuff right underneath pixel maker bro it's just like here's a bunch of stuff you
01:12:16 ◼ ► know numbers is part of that but yes things is just things is just down there things is just
01:12:23 ◼ ► living its life i don't think i want it doesn't make sense to me to put it up with todoist
01:12:28 ◼ ► because it isn't like my other apps right it's not a daily yeah it's not a daily it's like once a
01:12:32 ◼ ► month and you have uh one stack down there that i assume is the download stack you you got a pdf or
01:12:40 ◼ ► something that's like failed downloading it's like progress bar sticking in there actually this is
01:12:45 ◼ ► another weird bug i have on the mac my downloads folder always has a like in progress oh no there's
01:12:53 ◼ ► nothing i can do about it it seems like yeah well uh you need a new computer uh yeah but this isn't
01:13:00 ◼ ► the computer i want to change yeah so i am a huge fan of the download stack i use it all the time
01:13:06 ◼ ► it's fantastic i do however so the before at some point this changed but it's in the past
01:13:13 ◼ ► it was it would only show like the most recent thing there is the icon or you or by um sorted
01:13:20 ◼ ► alphabetically and i didn't like that because it meant the download stack looked different over
01:13:25 ◼ ► time and i found that to be a little troubling and so i used to have a folder with the download
01:13:32 ◼ ► icon pasted onto it and the folder was named asterisk asterisk asterisk and so i sorted by
01:13:37 ◼ ► name and it was always there but now i don't know when this changed at some point they changed it
01:13:41 ◼ ► where you can display as a folder so if you look at my screenshot you just see the little downloads
01:13:46 ◼ ► folder down there and i can just go in there when i need it it's much cleaner yeah and it would hide
01:13:52 ◼ ► your janky broken pdf situation although it is kind of funny well no because it's it's like
01:13:58 ◼ ► there is no thing well at least it wouldn't be the icon in the uh but i actually kind of like that
01:14:04 ◼ ► because it forces me to deal with the things that are in there okay right because otherwise it like
01:14:10 ◼ ► it gets super full like one day we need to talk about like what it's like to work with steven
01:14:16 ◼ ► hackett when it comes to file management it's really good everything's nicely organized no
01:14:20 ◼ ► it's not no it's not really good because it's like imagine a world where there's alphabetical
01:14:26 ◼ ► sorting except where there isn't sometimes things get aaa at the beginning because they need to be
01:14:30 ◼ ► at the top other than that or underscores or like stars like this is what it's like like that just
01:14:39 ◼ ► so one example right now okay so dropbox relay fm admin saint jude campaigns the folders are 2019
01:14:48 ◼ ► 2020 21 2022 2023 saint jude i named it that so in the sidebar i don't have a folder that just says
01:14:55 ◼ ► 2023 but when it comes out of the sidebar i'll change it back understand you just be a year you
01:15:08 ◼ ► uh i know i didn't even know this one like i've used it like this i feel like that the the saint
01:15:16 ◼ ► jude folder is very much your domain except for a folder that i just added to that one which is
01:15:20 ◼ ► very rare that i put things in there but there's something in there which i'm very excited about it
01:15:24 ◼ ► oh yes yes that is gonna if we could pull this one off oh boy is gonna be a fun time around here but
01:15:32 ◼ ► like mine is like we have a folder relay fm like dropbox relay fm branding underscore final art
01:15:39 ◼ ► and then inside of that underscore png is the top folders yeah that's that needs that that's legacy
01:15:46 ◼ ► from a previous designer who i need i need to i need to clean that up the branding folder is bad
01:15:51 ◼ ► i will give you that yeah but i know you want it there at the top like i knew so you'll just find
01:15:55 ◼ ► another you'll just if you don't call it underscore you just put triple a final art like that's
01:16:01 ◼ ► better it's not like that's better oh man oh i just found uh this funny stuff in this branding
01:16:07 ◼ ► folder okay oh there's so much stuff there's like there's just like a bunch of stuff in here
01:16:12 ◼ ► yeah incredible yeah so happens when your company is nearly a decade old so like there's gonna be
01:16:17 ◼ ► weird there's gonna be weird stuff instead of the final artwork folder yeah some of it's not final
01:16:22 ◼ ► at all is what we're saying overall i feel like your doc is in much better shape than your menu
01:16:27 ◼ ► bar okay and i feel like i understand your two laptop life even though i think it should be
01:16:32 ◼ ► desktop and a laptop but i understand why you're putting that off this isn't as much madness as i
01:16:37 ◼ ► thought it would be there are things that you haven't asked me about what do you want to be
01:16:42 ◼ ► asked about i don't want to be asked about it but you're like tell me about your backup situation
01:16:45 ◼ ► like that's tell me about your backup situation well we talked about you have time machine
01:16:56 ◼ ► i have time machine on the macbook pro but not the computer that you're actually working on
01:17:03 ◼ ► i don't even know what the time machine oh wait no wait did i change that hang on wait stop
01:17:11 ◼ ► be right back where's he going yeah there's no time machine but you should blame apple for it
01:17:15 ◼ ► really because they didn't put enough usb-c ports in the back of the studio if only there was a way
01:17:20 ◼ ► to get more ports that you'd already paid for i don't want to do i don't want to dock on that
01:17:25 ◼ ► desk i don't want you could set up a wireless time machine to like a like a okay so if you have
01:17:30 ◼ ► a desktop here's the thing you get a desktop for your recording machine uh-huh you put a big ssd
01:17:36 ◼ ► off the back of it and you make that a time machine target for your other computer and it
01:17:40 ◼ ► just backs up over the network i don't fully know what that means but i have no doubt that i can
01:17:45 ◼ ► look into it i can set it up for you just fly me over fly me over baby yeah all right okay we'll do
01:17:50 ◼ ► that but uh maybe by the time maybe next year that'd be a great idea by the time you come to
01:17:55 ◼ ► london i'll have bought a max studio about that okay i can guarantee all of that and then you can
01:17:59 ◼ ► come to the studio you can kind of make a studio and you can uh you can hook me up because i don't
01:18:05 ◼ ► fully understand what you're asking of me but it sounds like a good thing yeah look i've done the
01:18:08 ◼ ► touristy stuff in london because i was there for your wedding uh next time i come back it's just
01:18:12 ◼ ► going to be to wire things up in your office sounds like a great time i'm looking forward to it
01:18:17 ◼ ► you're really great yeah i know you are i'm not yeah i don't want you all up in here messing with
01:18:26 ◼ ► we're not even touching your pc today and it's beyond my you're not going to like the cable
01:18:30 ◼ ► management down here um i guess my big no the pc's cable management is pretty good it's like the
01:18:36 ◼ ► i've seen pictures of the floor and all the switches the power cables oh yeah that's the
01:18:41 ◼ ► problem like the the multiple like extension cords plugged into extension cords is that dangerous it
01:18:49 ◼ ► feels dangerous but you should let you do it right i mean you can drive it 90 miles an hour
01:18:57 ◼ ► but you shouldn't you know i have i'm sure it's fine i guess my biggest question it goes back to
01:19:01 ◼ ► the the two machines and we've touched on it we danced around a little bit but you know what is
01:19:07 ◼ ► sort of your methodology or your i've said there were philosophy a bunch but your philosophy for
01:19:13 ◼ ► keeping those two machines the same like i could see bad i could see i see two roads one like you
01:19:22 ◼ ► keep them identical and it's just a pain or the recording machine is so different like it's really
01:19:27 ◼ ► just recording like it doesn't have your email and it doesn't have your whatever you're doing in
01:19:32 ◼ ► things yeah i thought you're kind of in between i guess yeah and also like i've kind of like the way
01:19:40 ◼ ► that i my philosophy for it now because i tried both keep it exact and keep it separate and
01:19:47 ◼ ► realistically now it's just like it's neither right where it's and and that's kind of the point
01:19:53 ◼ ► of it like if there are big changes like i'll make those changes like i'm making changes to
01:19:57 ◼ ► the dock and like my docks are mostly the same on machine to machine and so i'll make those changes
01:20:02 ◼ ► because that's just like muscle memory stuff right so like i'll make those changes in both places
01:20:07 ◼ ► it is hilarious to me now looking up at my menu bar and seeing that i have the power on this
01:20:14 ◼ ► macbook pro you don't need that like i have the battery icon there you don't need that this
01:20:19 ◼ ► machine is never unplugged that's hilarious but like i i don't try to run them super close because
01:20:27 ◼ ► if i try and do that it's just an exercise in frustration because there is just no good way
01:20:33 ◼ ► to do that and so i kind of treat it as a little bit in the middle where big fundamental changes
01:20:38 ◼ ► i'll try and keep in sync across both machines and but otherwise i will operate them uh kind
01:20:45 ◼ ► of differently like do you remember when we started relay i was still at my job and i recorded in like
01:20:52 ◼ ► that podcast studio in the building that like some startup had built that i borrowed from them once a
01:20:57 ◼ ► week i don't think i do remember yeah and then one day i came in they just like torn it down and
01:21:03 ◼ ► didn't tell me even though like i'd paid for part of it and cool thanks guys oh my god that is a
01:21:08 ◼ ► blast from the past i remember it now you're telling me a long time ago for some reason in my
01:21:13 ◼ ► memory you were just recording at the office but like you were yeah this was like an incubator and
01:21:18 ◼ ► they built a little studio and i'd help them and part of the deal was i got to use it um and then
01:21:22 ◼ ► one day they just torn it out oh cool uh thanks for texting me you know my office is only three
01:21:27 ◼ ► stories above you could just come up and told me in that situation i was using truly a recording
01:21:32 ◼ ► computer that computer was there all the time i just had my own user on it and like it was kind
01:21:37 ◼ ► of nice that all i had on the dock was like safari audio hijack pro i guess at the time and skype like
01:21:49 ◼ ► the only that would help the frustration if you've treated them like really differently like this one
01:21:54 ◼ ► is kind of a moat unto itself but something to think about i am going to think about that
01:21:59 ◼ ► actually uh and you could you could try it by just creating a new user and then i'm terrified
01:22:05 ◼ ► of creating a new user ah somebody but like there are settings right they're not gonna say that's
01:22:10 ◼ ► true like what happens the first time i open logic oh yeah it's not gonna know anything about you but
01:22:15 ◼ ► yeah and i don't want to live in that world but are you opening logic on the recording computer
01:22:18 ◼ ► you know yes where i edit so you're editing on the recording computer god i think i think that
01:22:22 ◼ ► fell through the cracks in my brain okay i didn't say it but yeah so it it's it's the production
01:22:28 ◼ ► machine right like i'm okay so then why do you have logic and all that stuff on your map of care
01:22:32 ◼ ► why is that in the doc because i do also sometimes edit on the map okay i guess it doesn't need to be
01:22:36 ◼ ► in the doc though does it yeah i could take i could i honestly don't need logic in the doc
01:22:41 ◼ ► because i always start logic with a template file in finder but it's just there so do i but i like
01:22:47 ◼ ► i just like to know it's there well you know if someone like looks over your shoulder like oh
01:23:00 ◼ ► the dog is full of stuff that i never heard of full of audio apps i've never heard all in all
01:23:04 ◼ ► i think you're in good shape think about some tidying up all right think about time machine
01:23:08 ◼ ► think about well no i'm gonna wait for time machine you gotta come here and do it think
01:23:12 ◼ ► about roping off the recording machine a little bit better well i'm gonna well i'm gonna think
01:23:16 ◼ ► harder about buying and you can that too yeah i mean it's a good time to to start over you know
01:23:21 ◼ ► max studio i wouldn't do that wouldn't do that i would look at an m2 pro mac mini that may be
01:23:29 ◼ ► enough it may not be enough io that may be the only problem no i want to do max studio if i'm
01:23:33 ◼ ► going to do it i'm going to do it yeah otherwise i'll just stay with this backboard pro as the
01:23:37 ◼ ► value slowly leaks out of the back yeah i mean what a computer that leaks that's no problem
01:23:42 ◼ ► well i think that does it for this week if you want to find the stories we spoke about and links
01:23:47 ◼ ► to a bunch of apps and screenshots that we went through on mike's audit check out the show notes
01:23:51 ◼ ► in your podcast player they're also on the web at relay.fm slash connected slash four six two
01:23:57 ◼ ► you can also submit feedback or follow up there's a button there in your app and a link and the on
01:24:03 ◼ ► the website to do that again we're not going to be addressing doc placement but everything else i
01:24:08 ◼ ► think is uh is open season you can find us online maybe you should create like a doc placement
01:24:14 ◼ ► button and you could just straight up delete everything that goes just goes to analog's
01:24:18 ◼ ► feedback form yeah you can find us online uh we're on threads mike is imike i m y k e he is also the
01:24:29 ◼ ► host of a bunch of other great shows here on the relay fm podcast network and he's the co-founder
01:24:35 ◼ ► of cortex brand you can follow me on threads is ismh 86 and you can find me on mac power users
01:24:42 ◼ ► each and every sunday uh this this episode coming up about window management's really good i think
01:24:47 ◼ ► uh if you're looking for a window manager solution that episode will be for you now you can also find
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