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144: Digital Schmear

 

00:00:00   anyway I don't know how you can edit the beginning of the show good luck to [TS]

00:00:03   delete everything before right now come on what am I gonna pull out of a [TS]

00:00:08   clinically cozy cozy discussion was wonderful I don't have a long shot but [TS]

00:00:12   and beer warmers or Ohio Sorry Sorry Ohio it just doesn't make the cut [TS]

00:00:18   just let it be known markers party pooper [TS]

00:00:22   John would you like to tell us about Apple TV catching up on gaming consoles [TS]

00:00:26   in power [TS]

00:00:27   sure how much follow up on Apple TV is fine tailing off now but one [TS]

00:00:31   conversation I saw floating around these past few weeks I forget what prompted it [TS]

00:00:36   otherwise I would have put the link in here but maybe just people talking about [TS]

00:00:41   gaming and Apple TV in general and some people like you know the the Apple TV [TS]

00:00:45   with an AAA it's catching up some gaming consoles and power and gets more [TS]

00:00:50   powerful than a ps3 [TS]

00:00:52   maybe not as powerful as for now but the ps4 isn't going to change anytime soon [TS]

00:00:56   like the s5 is not imminent so if Apple keeps revising the Apple TV at some [TS]

00:01:02   point the Apple TV could be more powerful than all current generation [TS]

00:01:04   gaming consoles and I think that's crazy talk there it it starts with the kernel [TS]

00:01:12   of truth yes that the Apple TV the aids way faster than the old one and I'd even [TS]

00:01:16   go survive and look into this deeply but just looking at the games you could say [TS]

00:01:19   sure ps3 power maybe a little bit more probably that's a safe bet has ps3's [TS]

00:01:25   really old console and again [TS]

00:01:27   agree that it's not BS for power or Xbox one power but then they extrapolated say [TS]

00:01:33   but you know this is the eighth but if next year's the 89th and the a10 you [TS]

00:01:37   know even if it's just a year or two behind the top and phone [TS]

00:01:41   the idea that iOS devices keep getting faster and game consoles have you know [TS]

00:01:47   five to seven year life span sometimes even longer so if there is no P S five [TS]

00:01:52   in their eyes and perhaps just before the PSI overrides the Apple TV will be [TS]

00:01:56   more powerful and more powerful gaming system and the reason I think that's [TS]

00:01:59   bunk is not necessarily because Apple couldn't make hardware that is faster [TS]

00:02:03   than the ps4 because they inevitably will also not perhaps in the time frame [TS]

00:02:07   before the BS IV comes but just because the Apple TV isn't the iPhone it doesn't [TS]

00:02:12   get revised every year and even the iPhone even the highest-end iOS device [TS]

00:02:17   they make the gigantic iPad pro the bill talk about later has only four gigs of [TS]

00:02:21   ram and the ps4 has eight gigs of ram and you think well you know dramas [TS]

00:02:25   matters the CPU and GPU will be just as fast when it comes to making games [TS]

00:02:30   things like RAM [TS]

00:02:31   and things like hard disk space and stuff like that makes a difference in [TS]

00:02:36   the ps4 i think is a 500 gig hard drive now many gigs of ram when do you think [TS]

00:02:41   it's going to be the Apple TV around eventually it will write but will have [TS]

00:02:44   eight gigs of ram before the P S five is out I find that hard to believe given [TS]

00:02:48   how frequently Apple updates the Apple TV and and even just given I don't even [TS]

00:02:53   think the iPhone will have a gig of ram by 10 the DSi comes out the current rate [TS]

00:02:57   of RAM do so and that's what makes a difference for games with like large [TS]

00:03:03   open world games with high-resolution textures and all that other stuff so [TS]

00:03:06   anyone thinking that the Apple TV will eventually be more powerful than the ps4 [TS]

00:03:10   it will but by that time the TSX probably be out there is also a pretty [TS]

00:03:14   big difference in thermals between between these kind of systems you know [TS]

00:03:17   that as we as we see from modern CPU and GPU limitations and designs and progress [TS]

00:03:23   and everything we're mainly limited by how much we will allow the chips 22 [TS]

00:03:28   output or how much we can deal with the not putting and that pretty much put a [TS]

00:03:31   limit on performance that we can get them at any given moment in any given [TS]

00:03:35   year like in whatever we can do that year that is generally what we're [TS]

00:03:38   fighting against the first things are AC connected you know that's really need to [TS]

00:03:42   worry too much about the current draw which is related but you know you can [TS]

00:03:46   you can match up the current drug much as you want you're plugged into a wall [TS]

00:03:49   outlet but you still in a little tiny box 200 bucks next year TV hundred bucks [TS]

00:03:54   your TV with no fan little tiny enclosure that's not even made of metal [TS]

00:03:58   it's gonna be pretty hard to get you know maybe he tapped out of that you [TS]

00:04:03   look at the game console and they had these big hot ship these big loud [TS]

00:04:07   annoying fans especially in their first generation before the due process [TS]

00:04:10   hearing so when the cs5 comes out there gonna be able to put in some giant big [TS]

00:04:17   Hot Chip with a big loud fan on it and the Apple TV will still need to be this [TS]

00:04:21   cheap families box running year or two old iPhone cuts and their and their [TS]

00:04:26   offset from each other because like could you imagine when the PSD first [TS]

00:04:29   came out of you that someday they'll be a little black box with no fans and its [TS]

00:04:33   more powerful than the ps3 you like it out here but here we are [TS]

00:04:36   but look at the time span [TS]

00:04:37   its huge gap between the ps3 now so like just family's thing is always going to [TS]

00:04:43   lag behind the thing with fans by at least a generation in and not like [TS]

00:04:50   processing power as much as just capacity for large you know games like [TS]

00:04:55   it [TS]

00:04:55   having all that RAM is important for putting the big console games on there [TS]

00:04:59   for the for the big textures and all I know the stuff and if you don't have [TS]

00:05:02   that Ramdev you have to weigh like the ps3 didn't have a lot to a lot of crap [TS]

00:05:06   in it [TS]

00:05:06   part of the reason that the Apple TV can imagine these days it's because ps3 was [TS]

00:05:10   very strange architecture and relatively ramstein but the ps4 is not RAM starved [TS]

00:05:16   it's got tons of RAM and it's got tons of hard drive space which is not as fast [TS]

00:05:20   as an SSD when you're you know freeloading levels and stuff it's fast [TS]

00:05:24   enough to stream clubs anyway I don't I'm definitely not looking for the Apple [TS]

00:05:30   TV to catch up and pass the ps4 unless I guess there is no BS five and then wait [TS]

00:05:34   around until we can get a ps4 in a little box thing but I really think at [TS]

00:05:38   this point that probably will be a PSI biggest the ps4 is doing pretty well for [TS]

00:05:41   Sony all things considered [TS]

00:05:44   alright and you follow up on an infinite times the rate we're going we are going [TS]

00:05:49   to not have follow-up at all I don't even know what to make of this bloody [TS]

00:05:53   shame that you can take them to put a lot of stuff in there but it's not [TS]

00:05:58   really because we're just gonna talk more about that later [TS]

00:06:01   any fallout you'd like to join you know that is fair enough [TS]

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00:08:03   week it was a pretty big disaster in I didn't really know what was going on I [TS]

00:08:10   i've been really busy and so I have been following twitter is as religiously as I [TS]

00:08:13   usually do and I saw there was some issues and I didn't think a lot of it [TS]

00:08:18   because everything seemed to be working on my computer and then all of us to run [TS]

00:08:22   one password and I was told I couldn't and suddenly the thing I wasn't paying [TS]

00:08:27   attention to became a lot more real so john wants to tell us what happened [TS]

00:08:33   well so stop the run from the Mac App Store is DRM encumbered let's say some [TS]

00:08:42   degree their receipts that the Mac App Store but the application Apple's advice [TS]

00:08:48   for figuring out on the launch of the application whether Abbas valleys to [TS]

00:08:52   check those receipts this code that they you know some code samples showing you [TS]

00:08:55   how to do that [TS]

00:08:56   but you really do it anyway you want some developers use OpenSSL library at a [TS]

00:09:03   bundle into their application of it sells an open source thing to check [TS]

00:09:07   their certificates and their couple problems related as with most disasters [TS]

00:09:11   not just one thing goes wrong multiples one of the things that went wrong is [TS]

00:09:15   that Apple updated their certificate for this recede to use a better encryption [TS]

00:09:21   of a strong encryption they'd been using previously and it just so happens that [TS]

00:09:24   the OpenSSL library that a lot of applications used to validate their [TS]

00:09:28   receipts can't handle this new encryption level right so that's one [TS]

00:09:34   class of things that are wrong side of things that went wrong is the Mac App [TS]

00:09:38   Store certificate expired and Apple replace it with a new one that is why [TS]

00:09:41   they had the occasion I think there are places with the new one that had the [TS]

00:09:44   stronger corruption and as a bug in the Mac App Store where even if a new [TS]

00:09:48   certificate is issued after the Obama has expired [TS]

00:09:51   some caching issue locally on the max that makes it not take the new even [TS]

00:09:58   though the old one expired and so what people were getting was they were trying [TS]

00:10:06   to launch application and I just one application but some in some cases of [TS]

00:10:09   advocating for every application they've got from the Mac App Store you would end [TS]

00:10:15   up getting these dollar boxes save this application is damaged please throw in [TS]

00:10:18   the trash basically the system telling you that it could invalidate the [TS]

00:10:21   authenticity is advocating this kind of the system working as designed and like [TS]

00:10:24   if some malware infected all your applications and Mike turn them in the [TS]

00:10:28   Trojan horses and stuff you would want to know [TS]

00:10:32   hey don't you know don't run this application that's messed up the same [TS]

00:10:35   dialog appears as if the violation machinery says you know like this case [TS]

00:10:39   the certificate expired and even though Apple had issued a new uneven [TS]

00:10:42   application might have been able to use that new one to validate that everything [TS]

00:10:45   was going on the local operating system was telling it [TS]

00:10:49   know you're trying to use certificate that expired like three days ago so [TS]

00:10:52   you're on a lot so Apple fix this by downgrading their encryption to the [TS]

00:10:57   elders and I think so applications version of this out [TS]

00:11:01   and I don't know what they did to fix the oven to tell people like to reboot [TS]

00:11:06   and stuff I'm not entirely sure what they did [TS]

00:11:08   yeah they said they're preparing a software update for iOS tend to prevent [TS]

00:11:12   the caching issue in the future but I can help people who had this problem [TS]

00:11:15   last week [TS]

00:11:16   yeah I mean this this was a disaster on so many levels it it's kind of an [TS]

00:11:20   embarrassment mean so is the official statement they give which came pretty [TS]

00:11:25   late six days later they made an official statement and it wasn't even [TS]

00:11:29   that was at a public statement I think the email developers this thing I did [TS]

00:11:32   something to developers and they also they also gave a PR statement to sites [TS]

00:11:37   like I'm more into in a show notes this is a Apple is a lot of things they don't [TS]

00:11:41   they don't put bad news or reactions to things on their own site you know [TS]

00:11:46   they'll send the same PR statement to like you know known friendly Apple sites [TS]

00:11:50   and have them all basically reported an apology behalf for them to the Apple [TS]

00:11:55   doesn't have to like soil their site with any kind of negative PR so the [TS]

00:11:58   statement they gave was I think it was a lot of BS and some truth there was a [TS]

00:12:05   planned event and most users experienced no issues however some use experienced [TS]

00:12:11   some issues during this change now that because the nature of this problem I [TS]

00:12:18   think most users that is complete BS the idea that most users experience no [TS]

00:12:27   issues and only some people had only some problems [TS]

00:12:30   know how it is there any way that Apple could know the actual answer that [TS]

00:12:34   because the Apple is not tracking I'm assuming how often we launch [TS]

00:12:37   applications and stuff so I don't think anyone really knows the scope of this [TS]

00:12:42   problem I you know I don't know I don't know honestly but but the fact is you [TS]

00:12:46   know this PR statement is trying to minimize the issue but if you don't know [TS]

00:12:52   and Apple doesn't [TS]

00:12:53   know everyone is just guessing based on stories they've heard right I guess [TS]

00:12:56   that's true I mean I suppose they could know like how many people get the [TS]

00:12:59   certificate server right i mean they can estimate an estimated from life support [TS]

00:13:04   load because you can do some math and say if we get X numbers of your calls to [TS]

00:13:08   this issue that means why people really had this issue you know just based on [TS]

00:13:11   historically speaking how many people will go to the phones are going to email [TS]

00:13:14   about a particular issue you can kind of back at the envelope figure out based on [TS]

00:13:18   previous problems that you did have better metrics on my nose and we're [TS]

00:13:22   using is like do you know somebody who had this problem with their computer I [TS]

00:13:27   can say I didn't I actually did encounter the problem of many my [TS]

00:13:31   computer but then again I tend to avoid buying applications and Mac App Store [TS]

00:13:35   but I do have some for example slap a broader than a Gap store and I use it [TS]

00:13:38   every day and I had no problem with it is it because I'm always running it and [TS]

00:13:41   if you're like if you're running it and the certificate expires in August [TS]

00:13:44   probably the only to quit and launch it but I'm pretty sure I did clinton lunch [TS]

00:13:47   during that window in heaven restarted so anyway I had zero problems [TS]

00:13:51   Casey had a problem some people had tons of problems I had many problems like [TS]

00:13:55   stories with the show the dialog box like 500 dialog box is popping up on the [TS]

00:13:58   screen [TS]

00:13:58   things anyway that the bottom line is that this was a problem that could have [TS]

00:14:04   potentially affected every single user is never purchased anything in the Mac [TS]

00:14:08   App Store that and it and it probably affected a lot of them because who you [TS]

00:14:13   know I maybe I just got lucky but like conceptually speaking this is you don't [TS]

00:14:18   need a weird set of circumstances to trigger this problem I don't think you [TS]

00:14:22   just need to have purchase things in a cab store to have your system cache the [TS]

00:14:27   old city and then to launch them at the new one has been issued a check point at [TS]

00:14:32   something pretty relevant here [TS]

00:14:33   slack probably does not do receive validation on lunch because the free app [TS]

00:14:38   care so the only after receiving outpatient would would have had this [TS]

00:14:43   problem I'm trying to get the Mac App Store apps I have I guess I have Apple's [TS]

00:14:47   apps like you know [TS]

00:14:48   you know pages and all that stuff from Iraq speed and that I tend not to buy [TS]

00:14:54   the Mac App Store and that's that the second factor in this which is things [TS]

00:14:58   like this especially for people who have no idea why this happened [TS]

00:15:02   make them feel worse about the Mac App Store and people who have any clue about [TS]

00:15:07   the details of the Mac App Store this widely make them avoid it more than they [TS]

00:15:10   did in the past I am avoiding it for a variety of reasons mostly because [TS]

00:15:14   they're you know the applications I use even when they were on the negative like [TS]

00:15:19   BBEdit I never bought the Mac App Store version because it was crippled by Sam [TS]

00:15:22   boxing because of Apple's rules over have a choice between buying the [TS]

00:15:25   crippled sandbox version and the non crippled version and another nine [TS]

00:15:28   crippled version gives more money to the developer by the Niagara provision every [TS]

00:15:31   time so it's what I've always done if there's any choice the one that and the [TS]

00:15:34   Mac App Store it's always been like that's convenient you know I don't care [TS]

00:15:38   that much about it it's not a big deal or it's free like slacker whatever you [TS]

00:15:42   know it's more convenient than going to direct download it like I would like to [TS]

00:15:46   have the experience where I just go to one place and see all my apps and auto [TS]

00:15:48   update them know that is something I'd like those features the Mac App Store [TS]

00:15:51   but perhaps they really count I'm definitely buying them outside but are [TS]

00:15:54   people who were more towards the Mac App Store the like you know what the [TS]

00:15:58   convenience is more important to me than like giving more money a developer and [TS]

00:16:02   the allegations I use don't suffer many soundbytes any issues and I really love [TS]

00:16:05   auto-update knows his stuff never mind the most Mac outside for the Mac App [TS]

00:16:10   Store already using spark or something like that anyway for people who know [TS]

00:16:14   about these details this is going to make them think twice because they're [TS]

00:16:17   like before the tradeoff is worth it to me I will buy from the Mac App Store [TS]

00:16:20   because the convenience is worth it to me for further potential downsides but [TS]

00:16:23   now they're weighing that can be very versus like you know this day when all [TS]

00:16:30   your absolute launch and you gotta figure out what the problem is and so [TS]

00:16:33   this is not good [TS]

00:16:35   both short-term and long-term for the Mac App Store which is already not a [TS]

00:16:38   particularly beloved institution as far as developers and tech-savvy users are [TS]

00:16:42   concerned that's the problem i mean it there's there are so many reasons [TS]

00:16:47   already why you might want to be hesitant about buying the Mac App Store [TS]

00:16:51   and why developers might want to be hesitant to be in the Mac App Store and [TS]

00:16:55   to just to add one more thing the pilot just a really bad [TS]

00:16:58   and for that and it just seems like you know there is there's a good post by is [TS]

00:17:05   it is it Michael Tsai and he he he made a post called there's nobody minding the [TS]

00:17:15   store is basically like you know collecting all these quoted everything [TS]

00:17:20   and pointing out just like the Mac App Store is just so neglected and it has [TS]

00:17:26   been since its introduction you know the iOS App Store has its own set of [TS]

00:17:30   problems but the Mac App Store is so much worse in almost every way [TS]

00:17:35   the fact that has a bug you know a certificate that's like one of many [TS]

00:17:41   problems with it that's only the most recent problem with it the application [TS]

00:17:45   itself the Mac App Store application is a disaster [TS]

00:17:48   the the sandboxing issues have pushed out tons of good apps Mac after [TS]

00:17:54   developers I i really feel sorry for the man and if I were launching a Mac App [TS]

00:17:57   I'm not sure I would put their like if you would have asked me a year ago if I [TS]

00:18:01   was on a Mac output in the App Store I'd say yeah probably you know what to do [TS]

00:18:04   with myself distributing it so he appeared in the App Store but today I [TS]

00:18:10   don't think I would it just seems like it's not worth all of the downsides and [TS]

00:18:14   costs it really depends if I was doing a Mac App I would say it really depends on [TS]

00:18:20   what kind of a bad is because if it's a small apt if it's free yepper is an app [TS]

00:18:25   that you think will never be impacted by Sam boxing and you just don't want to [TS]

00:18:29   deal with you no corroborating sparkle and putting up your own [TS]

00:18:32   and point for that and making sure it's up for the updates and doing payment [TS]

00:18:36   processing yourself and although the stuff that you have to do if you did the [TS]

00:18:39   direct sales records say you you don't have an existing channel for direct [TS]

00:18:43   sales esophagus or not established software company or whatever it is [TS]

00:18:46   definitely convenient to use the Mac App Store but if your app in App that that [TS]

00:18:52   wasn't true for even one of those things like could buy a potentially be impacted [TS]

00:18:55   by Sam boxing don't you know don't get the Mac App Store do already have a way [TS]

00:18:58   to accept money from people I don't need to make up store for that they already [TS]

00:19:01   know how to incorporate itself auto update and have a robust framework for [TS]

00:19:05   doing that already have a website that have to keep up with so I can put an end [TS]

00:19:08   point on for updates [TS]

00:19:09   than just you know there's no point if you feel like those things that you know [TS]

00:19:16   I'm not actually mad developers I don't know but part of a part of this whole [TS]

00:19:20   recent round of Mac App Store stuff in the TechNet circles with developers said [TS]

00:19:26   reiterating see guys this is why I'm not in the maggot star and users like the [TS]

00:19:31   dayside thing writing out all the list of all the great Mac apps that are not [TS]

00:19:37   in the Mac App Store like the Mac App Store even though many people think of [TS]

00:19:40   it as the only and best and single place to get back software a lot of the Mac [TS]

00:19:46   software that uses really love love the best Mac software is just not on the Mac [TS]

00:19:51   App Store and obviously that's not true and I West because it's pretty much all [TS]

00:19:54   the software and I was on the App Store so it's always been in a comfortable [TS]

00:19:59   position with the Makassar because there is an alternate we all want there to be [TS]

00:20:03   an alternative that means the Mac App Store actually has to compete in the [TS]

00:20:06   same way that the iTunes Music Store had to compete against piracy the Mac App [TS]

00:20:09   Store has to compete against direct sales and applications that can be more [TS]

00:20:14   powerful and do more powerful things and it's currently losing that competition [TS]

00:20:17   and even as a user everything and everything about the Mac App Store from [TS]

00:20:23   a user perspective has gotten worse over time you know first when he started [TS]

00:20:27   chanting sandboxing you know that not only put out a lot of apps that made us [TS]

00:20:30   home now we have to like exchange our license to go down to the directors and [TS]

00:20:34   everything so that that was a pain for for people who bought in early to the [TS]

00:20:38   App Store and then when simpson came in now like I hate sandbox ABS [TS]

00:20:45   therapy [TS]

00:20:45   from the user side to use the guy I have a couple of one of them is called space [TS]

00:20:50   kremlin it helps like finally earlier just basis and you know it has to read [TS]

00:20:56   your whole hard drive and the convoluted hoops that applicants have to do is [TS]

00:21:02   click this button choose the root folder and every time you gotta like redo it I [TS]

00:21:06   know now it can't look at files that it's such a pain and FM user perspective [TS]

00:21:11   just like sandboxing is I don't understand the Security benefits of it [TS]

00:21:16   but if it's a very rarely used opt in system those are all those are pretty [TS]

00:21:22   limited and I don't think it's worth it as I really don't like the way it is the [TS]

00:21:28   way to Mindanao and it's incredibly you know half-baked and seemingly completely [TS]

00:21:33   neglected way I don't want it as a user has one more thing and Essendon you had [TS]

00:21:38   something like this [TS]

00:21:39   like this receipt validation bug that made all my apps just break all of a [TS]

00:21:44   sudden like that's a big problem this what reason do I have as a user to buy [TS]

00:21:50   more after the Mac App Store after all the problems and and you know things [TS]

00:21:55   getting worse I i don't i don't see a good reason anymore but you stuck out [TS]

00:21:58   there can be no reason like the plate one place you can go for the updates and [TS]

00:22:02   it's easy to buy things there I wish the Mac App Store should also make it easier [TS]

00:22:06   to install but they don't really but beyond that like this all the pros are [TS]

00:22:10   still there but the conscious keep stacking up in the constant go and the [TS]

00:22:14   same boxing thing really like the main problem with that aside from all the [TS]

00:22:17   bugs and all the other things that the poor Mac developers had to complain [TS]

00:22:20   about how you know I was gets better tools for crash reports and debugging [TS]

00:22:24   and betas and testified know those anyway aside from all of that Mac App [TS]

00:22:31   Store sandboxing like ISSN boxing and everyone gets along with it because the [TS]

00:22:35   entire system the entire operating system the entire way of using the phone [TS]

00:22:40   has from the beginning [TS]

00:22:41   been built around the ideas and bison witches you know problems for data [TS]

00:22:44   sharing and silly like URL schemes to get around all these things like still [TS]

00:22:48   has some problems but it fits with the system on the Mac sandboxing flies in [TS]

00:22:52   the face of the entire history of the [TS]

00:22:54   platform and if you put sandboxing in that environment it it doesn't fit like [TS]

00:23:00   if your app happens to fit into a little nice and I think you're fine but this [TS]

00:23:03   whole classes of applications good useful applications that don't fit [TS]

00:23:07   within sandboxing and it's like it's almost like Apple saying we really rich [TS]

00:23:11   really wish that you didn't have to have at like this on your Mac we really [TS]

00:23:15   really wish the Mac was like I was and so they say maybe we make all the Mac [TS]

00:23:19   apps PC and box then the Mac will be just like the iPhone but it's not and so [TS]

00:23:23   like this [TS]

00:23:24   demarco just mentioned you know Sean Reilly disk spaces could have like in [TS]

00:23:31   System Preferences a disk space usage thing that did the same thing that was [TS]

00:23:35   part of the operating system like settings is on and I they could but they [TS]

00:23:39   don't and Mac users do have to manage a story [TS]

00:23:42   storage and automatic because of the way it is it's difficult to tell where all [TS]

00:23:45   that space is going because you have a lot of files and folders and although [TS]

00:23:48   the stuff that again is not usable and I was so there is a place for applications [TS]

00:23:52   that do this type of thing same thing for like dis duplicate things like super [TS]

00:23:56   duper and stuff that's the thing you don't have to do with pounds because [TS]

00:24:00   they've always had like love that the cloud backup now and are you back them [TS]

00:24:04   up the iTunes will just push the problem on your Mac or whatever you going to do [TS]

00:24:06   for the Mac we need a way to back it up and doing descanses a useful thing to do [TS]

00:24:11   and this client software needs to read the entire disk of course and sandboxing [TS]

00:24:17   makes it a pain it can be done but it's a it's a big super pain so you can't [TS]

00:24:23   like you can't make the mac as safe as iOS by merely just sayin applications [TS]

00:24:28   have to be sandbox all you can do is say some applications will be sandbox and [TS]

00:24:33   it's good for them like it is a benefit to the user to have applications that [TS]

00:24:36   can get outside their little pen and that they somehow get exploited or [TS]

00:24:40   broken or there's a bug in them or whatever they can do less damage but [TS]

00:24:44   that other class of applications is never going to go away so long as the [TS]

00:24:47   Mac still is like it is long as the neck is still let you know an old style PC [TS]

00:24:52   operating system so I don't see what they can do about the tension of them to [TS]

00:24:57   you know make a tiered system and say sandboxes you can give you a special [TS]

00:25:02   label and store your sandbox and label if you're not instead they're just [TS]

00:25:06   stubbornly saying everything else [TS]

00:25:07   the sandbox and if you can work in the sandbox we don't want your kind of [TS]

00:25:10   application on our platform and at least the tech-savvy users are saying you may [TS]

00:25:14   not want that kind of application on the platform but I want that location [TS]

00:25:18   because I does useful things for me and so you make it no longer useful like [TS]

00:25:23   you'll never need to close this again because all your data is magically [TS]

00:25:26   backed up using quantum entanglement something great for you make it like iOS [TS]

00:25:30   and you know with no local backup option everything is a cloud backup are you [TS]

00:25:35   gotta give me some way to do all these things that are into something symbols [TS]

00:25:38   BBEdit where the text editor wants to be able to have like a file browser without [TS]

00:25:43   throwing a stupid open save dialog box in your face that you know the power box [TS]

00:25:46   thing to let you convince the system that you're allowed to access these [TS]

00:25:50   files like you know a program-best I'll text editor when you browse the whole [TS]

00:25:54   process is a useful thing to have because the Mac is a system that lets [TS]

00:25:58   you have files and folders and exposed to a file system and you can't deviate [TS]

00:26:00   it is not useful if you can find to like a sandbox like environment all you're [TS]

00:26:05   doing is pushing the noise under the user to do silly things in the UI to [TS]

00:26:09   convince the system that yes please let me be added to the text files no matter [TS]

00:26:13   where they are in need to go you said he would it be nice if if Apple had [TS]

00:26:18   included something like spacecraft later my preferred at daisy dukes have you not [TS]

00:26:23   seen about this Mac and then the storage have which is super useful and is [TS]

00:26:28   telling me that of the three quarters of a terabyte I have fall about half of it [TS]

00:26:33   is either the usage visa denial is not very granular but at the granular on the [TS]

00:26:38   level that I S Works perhaps you don't have direct access to managing the [TS]

00:26:43   storage there it's like all you can do about it is delete an app and all that [TS]

00:26:46   goes with it maybe some apps you can go into the appetite to lead videos or [TS]

00:26:50   whatever you know but the granularity of the information provided by the settings [TS]

00:26:55   thing and iOS matches the granularity of the way you use iOS moralist the grand [TS]

00:27:01   idea the Mac for good or for ill is files and folders you know let me tell [TS]

00:27:06   you how much as music how much as video and how much is a giant yellow bar for [TS]

00:27:09   other [TS]

00:27:10   wonder how comes up with that a is not even a useful as I can be just not the [TS]

00:27:15   way the Mac works I need to know like I use it all the time especially backhand [TS]

00:27:19   before [TS]

00:27:20   upgraded my computer shit 256 gig as a state and I would need to like hunt down [TS]

00:27:25   you know some episode of My Little Pony that I didn't know her daughter [TS]

00:27:29   downloaded iTunes today get out of the iTunes folder and delete the damn thing [TS]

00:27:34   you know and you can do that sometimes some of the night but you know even just [TS]

00:27:37   discovered that many people make that the virtual memory sleep image can push [TS]

00:27:43   you over the years [TS]

00:27:43   your disk space unlimited right because when you get a machine with a lot of RAM [TS]

00:27:47   and a small SSD that really hard questions like do I really need the you [TS]

00:27:53   know the Hibernate functionality justice able to use old South Bend is really [TS]

00:27:57   hope that it doesn't run out of battery was only answer it's really ugly and I [TS]

00:28:02   don't know what I when I saw that one password which just so happened to be [TS]

00:28:06   the first thing that that reared its ugly head when I saw that that was [TS]

00:28:10   broken or well not broken but I saw that have been brought about the Mac App [TS]

00:28:13   Store I realized what was happening very quickly but that was only because I'd [TS]

00:28:18   seen some passing references to it on Twitter RSS what have you if I remember [TS]

00:28:23   right the dialogue though said something like oh this is all broke go free [TS]

00:28:27   download it and it doesn't even spell it says this application is damaged and you [TS]

00:28:32   should move into the trash right exactly and so the solution is free download [TS]

00:28:37   from the Mac App Store the process of doing so they couldn't have made it more [TS]

00:28:43   obtuse and and manual if they tried like that's the thing is that you know I kind [TS]

00:28:49   of know what I'm doing when it comes to using a computer I can't imagine someone [TS]

00:28:53   who doesn't follow this stuff I mean it's not that hard to go to the [TS]

00:28:58   Applications folder and drag it to the trash then go back to Mac App Store but [TS]

00:29:01   that dialogue to your point Marco didn't really make it clear what the correct [TS]

00:29:06   order of operations are corrected tasks was to fix this issue and it's just it [TS]

00:29:13   was like one of you said it was a disaster from top to bottom it was the [TS]

00:29:16   disaster all the way down and and it's a little frustrating that the most Apple [TS]

00:29:22   did was say well you know screwed up but we'll fix it don't worry you know the [TS]

00:29:26   thing is they have all the info [TS]

00:29:28   dialog box they have all the information on the system to fix that in one breast [TS]

00:29:32   if the system things that the application damages should be thrown in [TS]

00:29:35   the trash [TS]

00:29:36   there could be one button that says would you like me to redownload this [TS]

00:29:39   cause I know exactly what it is and I know that you purchased it and I can put [TS]

00:29:43   in the trash and I can be downloaded for you because I know everything about like [TS]

00:29:46   the guineas like that the same thing with uninstall I get the install process [TS]

00:29:49   really is drag it to the trash was not a big honking uninstall button in the Mac [TS]

00:29:54   App Store app so anyway [TS]

00:29:56   a lot of his neglect of just like things they could do and they don't do you [TS]

00:30:00   speak in the collect our tipster in the chatroom insist loudly and has been [TS]

00:30:05   since this time that's happened at this bug about the certificate cashing has [TS]

00:30:09   already been reported there's already a radar for it and it's been around since [TS]

00:30:13   I was 10 10.6 that's uncomfortable and has not been texting again it's tips or [TS]

00:30:18   information so take with a grain of salt but there's not but it's it's the you [TS]

00:30:23   know it feels bad when your platform is not getting attention and various times [TS]

00:30:28   Apple has ignored the Mac and then sell it said that like you know we really [TS]

00:30:33   care about the Mac were paying a lot of attention to end done lots of important [TS]

00:30:36   things to the Mac but they're still areas particularly around the Mac App [TS]

00:30:40   Store especially as it compares to the regular App Store that just feels [TS]

00:30:43   neglected and you know how many people do you think are actually tasked with [TS]

00:30:49   working on this kind of thing that Apple right now [TS]

00:30:52   like you know Apple's teams are always lots more than you think they are and [TS]

00:30:56   apple also has has this cut this very frequent habit that from what I hear is [TS]

00:31:02   is worse than ever [TS]

00:31:03   where engineers get pulled off with things all the time to go work on some [TS]

00:31:08   new projects need more engineering resources that is a newer thing or more [TS]

00:31:13   important to the current direction of the company or current business goals so [TS]

00:31:17   people can move around the time and there is usually you know either nobody [TS]

00:31:22   left working on boring stuff at the Mac App Store or a surprisingly small staff [TS]

00:31:26   like it might be like a handful of people doing some things have like one [TS]

00:31:31   person working on me know it's so a bug like that like it's it's not that like [TS]

00:31:37   the Mac App Store staff just didn't [TS]

00:31:39   you know is so big that they were it's more likely that almost no one's working [TS]

00:31:44   on this and that like an Apple keeps having problems like this where the [TS]

00:31:49   boring old stuff gets these kinda like either gets ignored forever and bugs [TS]

00:31:55   like this around four years or he gets like these drive-by updates like [TS]

00:32:01   somebody comes in [TS]

00:32:02   it's all things like Discovery Day is a perfect example of this but we hear the [TS]

00:32:06   El Cap USB stack might be something like this [TS]

00:32:09   certainly we're hearing that the account Disk Utility is probably something like [TS]

00:32:13   this where it's kind of a drive by update where somebody is finally allowed [TS]

00:32:19   to work on it and told to like you know revamping cleaning up a rewrite it or [TS]

00:32:22   something and you get like one pass it and what comes out is like 75% [TS]

00:32:28   functional and then that person is gone incentive to work on something else and [TS]

00:32:33   it like this this is not the recipe for quality at all it's the complete [TS]

00:32:39   opposite of what you should be doing and it is not even an efficient way to run [TS]

00:32:42   an engineering organization Michigan some of the hundred developers Instagram [TS]

00:32:47   who don't have time to make an iPad up for Twitter cut itself which is set for [TS]

00:32:52   all the people lost their jobs but they had and still do have a very large [TS]

00:32:56   number of people i mean to some degree I can kind of explain what we're never [TS]

00:33:00   understand that they've got a server-side components everyone everyone [TS]

00:33:03   throws a big developer numbers of these companies they envision all these people [TS]

00:33:06   working on the iOS app when Shirley perhaps the majority of them are working [TS]

00:33:10   on backend stuff but the number of developers in these large BC funded [TS]

00:33:15   companies hire lots of really smart people to work on one or two flagship [TS]

00:33:21   mobile applications and then you compare them to the like one or two person [TS]

00:33:28   independent shops writing competing third-party applications like how how [TS]

00:33:34   his Twitter have literally 100 iOS developers making their their iOS [TS]

00:33:42   Twitter client [TS]

00:33:43   terrific has two people and you look at the two applications and you think their [TS]

00:33:49   peers like they seem about the same [TS]

00:33:51   right one of them is made by the company that makes the thing and it made by two [TS]

00:33:55   guys and so I just a middleman month at a certain point adding more people [TS]

00:33:59   doesn't help and then you know this committee syndrome and people are you [TS]

00:34:03   know you can actually make any changes whitewater to its credit has been saying [TS]

00:34:07   that they're trying to you know become more efficient or whatever but Apple [TS]

00:34:10   seems to have the opposite problem we're like Marco said every story we hear is [TS]

00:34:14   you know there's actually one guy who's responsible for these three applications [TS]

00:34:18   and to give her release he does to minor updates each one fix some bugs and [TS]

00:34:22   that's about it you know [TS]

00:34:24   Crashers first and everything else at this time and there's gotta be something [TS]

00:34:28   in the middle there where you have a reasonable number of people empowered to [TS]

00:34:32   make good decisions to not just make a product but to continue to make it [TS]

00:34:39   better [TS]

00:34:40   year after year after year like the hard way teams surely it's not like they took [TS]

00:34:43   the you know the iPhone for a center said every year let's make my time do [TS]

00:34:48   anything except for to fix a broken home button right now to make a whole new [TS]

00:34:51   phone and they go you know the hardware gets better and better and better [TS]

00:34:55   the software depending on what it is can spend years without really moving inside [TS]

00:35:00   yet the Mac does have a lot of applications and some don't really [TS]

00:35:04   change much year after year even when we feel like they should like maybe it's ok [TS]

00:35:10   the terminal application doesn't change dramatically from year to year but the [TS]

00:35:13   Mac App Store that everyone agrees has all these problems should really be [TS]

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00:36:16   I tried it blew me away how good it was it removed any doubt I've never had any [TS]

00:36:20   problems with them and the performance of the city of their spam filtering is [TS]

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00:36:28   other options [TS]

00:36:29   server-side rules most email hosts including fast mail have lots of spam [TS]

00:36:34   filtering options on server side you can do it made them can get quite [TS]

00:36:37   sophisticated honestly but even they were never as good as when I get from [TS]

00:36:41   mail route today and we have to put almost no effort into it whatsoever I [TS]

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00:37:33   ok so the long national nightmare is over you have acquired an apple pencil I [TS]

00:37:41   have yes we have the iPad pro and we have the front smart cover only cause I [TS]

00:37:49   couldn't i couldn't bring myself to spend $140 to cover the back as well [TS]

00:37:56   could face up to $400 buying a pencil so we now have iPad pro and the Apple [TS]

00:38:06   pencil and I love using the iPad Apple pencil however I am not much of an [TS]

00:38:12   artist I wish I had more reasons to use it [TS]

00:38:15   fortunately my wife is an artist and does use it and she's had a lot of [TS]

00:38:20   experience with it so please welcome on the show our return guests Tiffany are [TS]

00:38:26   meant I'm not an artist a dabbler [TS]

00:38:30   the artist formerly known as to assure you you're much better artist than I and [TS]

00:38:36   i know john has doubled in the past as well as I won't speak for him on that [TS]

00:38:39   one [TS]

00:38:39   certainly better than me and I think it's safe to say better than Marco so [TS]

00:38:44   your ears we got for now anyway I don't know Marquez drawings are pretty amazing [TS]

00:38:48   like his stick figures are killer Casey two-caliber gonna say given randall [TS]

00:38:54   Munroe a run for his money not that good you made that awesome little decaf sign [TS]

00:38:59   with that said coffee mug that was super funny I can occasionally make it one [TS]

00:39:03   decent dry I love his drawings I think we have to get rid of the idea that you [TS]

00:39:08   have to you have to pass some skill threshold to have a reason to use any [TS]

00:39:13   sort of artistic employment I agree no matter what it is that you're doing it [TS]

00:39:17   there's not like nothing bad will happen to you if you quote unquote can't draw [TS]

00:39:22   and you start dealing with the style like we all do it all again the margins [TS]

00:39:27   are no books and everything just if it's fun to do and you find it relaxing and [TS]

00:39:31   meditated like I'm sure someone to have an incredible make the adult coloring [TS]

00:39:34   book application for the iPad and it'll get it she will love it and I know there [TS]

00:39:39   is no like you don't have to I know Marcos looking for something useful [TS]

00:39:43   productive but if it's relaxing and fun to do you can try to meet you actually [TS]

00:39:47   have any interest you can get better at it by practicing and learning about it I [TS]

00:39:52   guess just like any other skill that I for the longest time I didn't even start [TS]

00:39:55   doing anything because I was afraid to be bad and everyone's bad at first [TS]

00:39:59   though it was kind of a stupid fear but that's a kept me from even trying to [TS]

00:40:02   draw anything ever and so recently I decided you know I'm like 32 years old [TS]

00:40:07   I'm tired of being afraid of being bad [TS]

00:40:09   mad at something that I don't even know how to do this by the way listen to this [TS]

00:40:15   week's back to work which is basically entirely on that topic it's really [TS]

00:40:18   alright alright pencils that I've already broken I was about to say he [TS]

00:40:24   took the words right out of my mouth so how long did the pencil last from from [TS]

00:40:28   the time you had opened the cover of the box to its actually initial breakage [TS]

00:40:33   about five seconds literally like I opened the box and I was looking at the [TS]

00:40:37   little card cause this comes at this card that also has inserts in it which [TS]

00:40:41   is on top of the pencil so I open that up in first I was pulling out what the [TS]

00:40:46   card was the box flipped over the pencil fell out of the box it fell unto our [TS]

00:40:51   floor and it the cap popped off this little silver ring popped off the cap in [TS]

00:40:56   their pieces everywhere so but it turned out that functional it's just the body [TS]

00:41:02   of it was broken as a fair to say well the little tiny cap has this little tiny [TS]

00:41:06   silver ring that goes inside of it and it seems to be held on by nothing but [TS]

00:41:11   like a dot of glue so it just probably fell the worst way possible because not [TS]

00:41:16   very tight in the case and in the box when it comes so it just kind of flipped [TS]

00:41:21   out in that little tiny ring popped up in the market has since super glued it [TS]

00:41:25   back on and but I know it still feels funny to me I mean the Holst the whole [TS]

00:41:30   pencil even with the ring in place the cap is not really fit tightly they came [TS]

00:41:36   in so many ways this pencil was like not designed for practicality which is a [TS]

00:41:41   shame because it feels really good I can use it it works incredibly well as we [TS]

00:41:45   get to but you know I expressed concern earlier even when they when they first [TS]

00:41:50   announced it that like there was there's nowhere to put it for one thing because [TS]

00:41:53   no way to attach it to your put it into any kind of cover for the iPad that [TS]

00:41:59   exists so far which is so frustrating because where else you can use this [TS]

00:42:03   pencil nowhere nowhere else is essential to be used anywhere besides with this [TS]

00:42:08   MacBook Pro so why not attach it you crazy people right and and so and the [TS]

00:42:14   cap so if you want to charge this thing you know we also expressed concern when [TS]

00:42:18   they first showed the soft two months ago whenever we also expressed concern [TS]

00:42:21   that [TS]

00:42:22   that you put it in the end of the end you put in the lightning port that is [TS]

00:42:26   just asking to be broken off that is so precarious and looks weird first of all [TS]

00:42:31   but just so ridiculous and and it seems like possibly last minute they added [TS]

00:42:36   this like this double female lightning adapter that's in the box you can you [TS]

00:42:42   can use it to reverse the orientation Attorney General lightning plug on it so [TS]

00:42:46   that you can charge it from a lightning cable which is way more scene and I [TS]

00:42:51   understand why they did it whatever you can't remember if you only have the iPad [TS]

00:42:56   in the pencil with you and you need a quick charge you can get one quickly [TS]

00:42:59   just from the iPad it's nice to have that ability I guess but that also [TS]

00:43:04   should be the primary charge it and so I get that last second and it isn't the [TS]

00:43:10   problem is when you're charging it if you plug it in like yo overnight [TS]

00:43:13   sometime if you're charging it when you put the cap you can magnetically [TS]

00:43:17   attached the cap to the one of the smarter and smarter than them you can [TS]

00:43:21   stick the little captain its kind of wobbly really is designed to be in [TS]

00:43:28   Johnny Ives white world and it and like it doesn't it doesn't seem like it [TS]

00:43:34   rolled around in the way he won't find it so you don't have to worry about [TS]

00:43:37   rolling off the desk is it is weightless off a desk but it is it seemed like it [TS]

00:43:42   just made at every opportunity to break or get lost in like even when it's in [TS]

00:43:47   the iPad to charge it had it lightning connector is extra long and it fits [TS]

00:43:54   fairly loosely [TS]

00:43:55   like it's just everything about it is like loose and just waiting to either [TS]

00:43:58   break or get lost while the Cabaret almost went into the vacuum and the rate [TS]

00:44:03   of the air conditioner vent our house about two hours after I broke its I'm [TS]

00:44:09   doing really great right now so I'm hearing a since they're so plentiful you [TS]

00:44:14   should just just jumped on down to the local Apple store and get a couple of [TS]

00:44:18   backups because nobody's looking to buy a dozen and keep them in a big jar so [TS]

00:44:23   you lose one pencil box like ran i mean they're cheap they're plentiful no no [TS]

00:44:29   problems they're gonna sell so many things because people if you if you [TS]

00:44:32   actually use it regularly [TS]

00:44:34   I would guess you have to buy a new and probably once a year so so you know at [TS]

00:44:39   least maybe even more depending on how careless you are a few things are you [TS]

00:44:42   know if you lose things lot like you couldn't have designed to be to be less [TS]

00:44:48   practical for like forgetfulness or clumsiness if that makes sense I'm not [TS]

00:44:54   that clumsy or I never lose things I know where everything is in the house [TS]

00:44:57   down to like the little tiny piece of anything I know where it is and losing I [TS]

00:45:02   can't believe how I comedy of errors happened yesterday when we got ahold of [TS]

00:45:07   ya so like we actually so I I had pre-ordered where i read online that has [TS]

00:45:13   it has a ship date of like mid December and I wanted soon as I kept like you [TS]

00:45:17   know going into the stores until they had it and then I got I was able to get [TS]

00:45:20   there but I'm not gonna cancel that pre-order for the for the one I think we [TS]

00:45:26   need a spare and is it gonna be good to use have been buzzing find out if you [TS]

00:45:30   can draw on the screen with two pencils once thats Wow alright soon now that you [TS]

00:45:37   have a slightly damaged but otherwise functional pencil what is it like to use [TS]

00:45:45   and if you wouldn't mind can you set the stage as to describe you know what you [TS]

00:45:49   would normally do that's artistic with a pen or pencil you know where you are you [TS]

00:45:54   drawing your own Rembrandt's or you just drawing stick figures I presume it [TS]

00:45:58   somewhere in between [TS]

00:45:59   well never gonna like sketching which i think the pencil I feel like it really [TS]

00:46:04   excels at it from you know actually developed a new signature if anyone has [TS]

00:46:08   seen it on Twitter recently which is what I decided to do first with my [TS]

00:46:11   pencil is the most important thing develop your signature for your iPad are [TS]

00:46:15   you writing checks from you if it's like naming your band in high school before [TS]

00:46:20   you actually like practiced once forgotten to get my arm and i got my [TS]

00:46:26   names that was actually really fun to do on the pencil and it from what I've [TS]

00:46:30   tested three programs now and that whatever it is it's really depending on [TS]

00:46:34   the program and your level of skill with using these type of programs on how [TS]

00:46:38   great the pencil fields I do allow watercolor in real life not digitally [TS]

00:46:44   and so trying to [TS]

00:46:46   to replicate that in a lot of programs as a little bit iffy obviously because [TS]

00:46:50   you have you know you're dealing with like ink flowing and and pigment in the [TS]

00:46:55   water and dilution and transparency so that's a little tricky but the pencil [TS]

00:47:02   actually makes it really fun to play with on the iPad and with some medium [TS]

00:47:09   like trying to replicate a medium that's more solid the pencil really really [TS]

00:47:15   excels in it feels extremely fluid it doesn't detect your hand at all which is [TS]

00:47:20   really amazing and when you say it doesn't take your hand you mean if your [TS]

00:47:25   hand is on there it's not also drawing it smart enough to throw away the hand [TS]

00:47:30   portion yet [TS]

00:47:31   yeah it will detective fingertip if you accidentally remove a fingertip around [TS]

00:47:36   but with most of these programs as you know like a race and backs though it's [TS]

00:47:40   not like a ruining anything but with the palm detection is really like you can [TS]

00:47:45   rest your hand on the iPad pro and draw and it doesn't it doesn't detect it [TS]

00:47:51   doesn't smear anything it as a you know digitally smear under no mere so [TS]

00:47:55   something else I don't know I'm from the island so you should I do I think it's [TS]

00:48:07   really really enjoyable and so far I've done a number of sketches with it and I [TS]

00:48:12   keep wanting to do more I almost fell asleep last night [TS]

00:48:15   cradled next to me intimate but yeah I'm really enjoying it [TS]

00:48:21   COO of the city views with it what would you say is your favorite and corollary [TS]

00:48:27   to that is that the best app for the pencil or do you just like the [TS]

00:48:33   experience with that app the most well-marked petunia ones on today and [TS]

00:48:38   before that I was using Adobe's sketches that would I was using and then today [TS]

00:48:42   you put on what did you put on a pro bono procreate and Jesus Japanese name [TS]

00:48:48   that I forgot of another very popular schedule [TS]

00:48:52   anyway so I was just recently just trying with those just before the show [TS]

00:48:58   and they have more of a learning curve I think because they're really involved [TS]

00:49:04   for artists that know what they're doing the Adobe sketch one was pretty easy to [TS]

00:49:10   master right away [TS]

00:49:13   being a newbie using the pencil newbie to art you felt like you were [TS]

00:49:17   accomplishing a real work you know like you not just a little sketch that you're [TS]

00:49:23   going to delete it doesn't matter if you really felt like you could do it the [TS]

00:49:26   other ones they have so many changes and buttons inflows and this and that the [TS]

00:49:32   interface is a little bit trickier to navigate if you don't know what you're [TS]

00:49:36   doing but I feel like that those other programs are the programs that you would [TS]

00:49:40   move onto after you kind of mastered how to manipulate the pencil with different [TS]

00:49:47   mediums that are available and a lot of these programs and the name I was [TS]

00:49:51   forgetting before it was a tie a tie Suu sketches I actually went to the Apple [TS]

00:49:56   store this past weekend and spent maybe a minute may have two minutes using the [TS]

00:50:01   pencil I did ask one of the employees if they had any in stock and they basically [TS]

00:50:08   left my face I mean they were much nicer about it and that that that was the [TS]

00:50:11   message was he had now but I did play with briefly I only used the notes out [TS]

00:50:17   and again I'm no artist but I thought it was cool I thought the tilting the [TS]

00:50:21   pencil on its side the lake shade was kind of neat but I don't know why but [TS]

00:50:26   the thing that blew my freaking mind was when I got the Notes app out and I and I [TS]

00:50:32   put on the the on-screen ruler have you played with the staff no I haven't so in [TS]

00:50:37   the Notes app you can bring up in on-screen ruler ended behaves like you [TS]

00:50:42   have a ruler on the page it's not perfect because there's no physical [TS]

00:50:46   barrier to keep you from you know flinging the pencil across your iPad but [TS]

00:50:50   it does oh really darn good mimic of water rulers like it it's so stupid and [TS]

00:50:57   I know why found that some press it [TS]

00:50:59   but I just thought it was really really really cool see you mean I keep the line [TS]

00:51:03   straight correct right so you can draw up against the ruler and have a [TS]

00:51:07   perfectly straight line and you can you know spin the ruler round as he spent a [TS]

00:51:10   total of it shows what angle it's at and it was just very very neat I don't know [TS]

00:51:15   why I personally would ever need to do that but I just thought it was so well [TS]

00:51:20   implemented and so well done I also went to the store recently got to play with [TS]

00:51:24   the pencil I was the first thing I was struck by was in the Apple Store the [TS]

00:51:28   pencils not hatch for things like it's not attached with the little bankers you [TS]

00:51:32   know little metal beaded chain thing it is just loose in a little creative thing [TS]

00:51:36   is I have to imagine those things are walking out the door like crazy at Apple [TS]

00:51:39   especially when they are rare but anyway I did get to try it [TS]

00:51:44   although the first thing that confuses me with a conveyor why wasn't working to [TS]

00:51:47   do is paired with the one like they had the pencil in the middle of two iPad [TS]

00:51:50   pros it was paired with the other ones I just plugged into my thing and repair it [TS]

00:51:54   was just nice that feature that repairing feature is cool and comes in [TS]

00:51:57   handy to know the stupid Bluetooth thing to parents using it I experienced things [TS]

00:52:03   we talked about a Pashos varies widely my appt some of them are slow some of [TS]

00:52:07   them are fast the Notes app was the fastest one that I tried because they [TS]

00:52:10   had a bunch of different apps installed on it it was fun it was interesting to [TS]

00:52:14   note that the pencil tool that's both look like a pencil to keep saying like [TS]

00:52:18   oh you can tell to do shading and stuff like that that is the one part of the [TS]

00:52:21   notice that that felt the least like real media to me and my my biases that I [TS]

00:52:26   have habits in my you know my hands and you know my mind and my body from using [TS]

00:52:34   real pencils and stuff for many many years when I was a kid and every time I [TS]

00:52:39   use anything that involves like drawing on a tablet screen or whatever it's [TS]

00:52:44   almost as if it was farther away from the real thing out few more comfortable [TS]

00:52:47   because then I wouldn't be trying to use the the you know the the motions and [TS]

00:52:52   gestures that I'm used to from the real physical world of art media but the [TS]

00:52:57   pencils close enough to real media that I expected to look work more like a [TS]

00:53:00   pencil and that still shaking thing just does not work anything like an actual [TS]

00:53:05   pencil and so I was continually frustrated by the fact that I had to [TS]

00:53:09   stop myself from do [TS]

00:53:10   I would do with an actual pencil and start doing with this pencil demands in [TS]

00:53:13   particular I found that a lot of the ones that I draw I draw with the pencil [TS]

00:53:18   tilted at such an angle that the accelerometers in the pencil think I [TS]

00:53:21   want to do shading but in reality but the real physical pencil on paper I'm [TS]

00:53:25   still just using the tape and I find that very frustrating and maybe have to [TS]

00:53:28   change how I was doing everything to be more directly into the into the screen [TS]

00:53:33   to make sure it doesn't then line if I could disable the shaving thing or [TS]

00:53:38   change like the ratio but don't even start shaving thing until I'm super [TS]

00:53:41   tilted over yeah that really bother me a lot but that's just that I think that is [TS]

00:53:46   more of a barrier of like people who are good at using computers to draw it is [TS]

00:53:51   actually I think it'd be different enough skill from people are going to [TS]

00:53:54   using you know pencils or pens or paints or any other me like the media really [TS]

00:53:58   think that you're using the medium really does change how you think so if I [TS]

00:54:02   got one of these and I was actually using it to draw I think I would have to [TS]

00:54:06   have a learning curve to learn how to use this tool to draw in the same way [TS]

00:54:10   that you learn how to use in the leg while pastels vs oil paid Services [TS]

00:54:13   acrylics or anything like that but bottom line is I feel like this could [TS]

00:54:17   this could could be used to very easily be used by someone to do their work as [TS]

00:54:24   an artist because it is so close to in terms of responsiveness you know the [TS]

00:54:29   real pencil it so much closer than all the things I've used in the past I have [TS]

00:54:33   heard from actual artist even the people are using the top of the line current [TS]

00:54:37   generation tablet type things that it's pretty good at either better than or at [TS]

00:54:41   least as good as the existing tablet technology so good job for Apple and its [TS]

00:54:45   first try [TS]

00:54:46   alright its first right not counting the new and once again for new number desk [TS]

00:54:50   you feel bad when I say this first try not to noon doing really good pen input [TS]

00:54:56   for us but it also depends [TS]

00:54:58   the pencil feels really nice like it doesn't cramp your hand while you're [TS]

00:55:02   using it which is great it is very comfortable and before when I was using [TS]

00:55:06   the iPad pro I felt the weight of the iPad perot all the time without the [TS]

00:55:12   pencil so I was sitting with a we are watching movies I tried to read with it [TS]

00:55:18   some people think that that's awesome [TS]

00:55:20   the reading experience is really great I found it [TS]

00:55:22   it awful on the iPad pro it is way too big but when I was getting with the [TS]

00:55:28   pencil I the way it just kind of disappeared and I kind of didn't notice [TS]

00:55:32   it and it felt so natural and great to have this really big screen so my [TS]

00:55:38   experience with the iPad throw itself without the pencil was a disaster and I [TS]

00:55:42   i kno wasn't sure I even wanted it to keep it and I didn't I played with it [TS]

00:55:47   for a few hours and then I kinda left it on the table you know I didn't I wasn't [TS]

00:55:51   interested in using it any further than that because it felt just too heavy too [TS]

00:55:55   big too much stuff going on or too little stuff with the home screen icon I [TS]

00:55:59   end but as soon as I got the pencil it has been in my lap every free moment [TS]

00:56:04   that I can possibly find do not subscribe to any magazines like the [TS]

00:56:09   digital or otherwise I think magazines like you know I don't know I was [TS]

00:56:12   described to Martha Stewart's magazine actually but she filled it all up with [TS]

00:56:17   ads like her real magazine and now it's horrible to read and the ads move on the [TS]

00:56:21   digital ones though it was worth it that's a no I don't I tried to read some [TS]

00:56:26   did some didn't really slow so I tend to prefer the paper ones my wife read some [TS]

00:56:32   magazines on her iPad she still thinks you are many to get a full size one and [TS]

00:56:38   I can imagine the best application as I'd like comic books like that for a big [TS]

00:56:43   gigantic iPad would be magazines with big big illustrations or photos like a [TS]

00:56:49   photography magazine nature magazine fashion magazine a car magazine like I [TS]

00:56:54   could see those being amazing but I mean when I read romance novels I really [TS]

00:56:58   don't want that very large and visible to everyone in the way you can think [TS]

00:57:04   about it for the iPad Pro for reading is if you would [TS]

00:57:09   could imagine yourself comfortably reading a paper book of that size is [TS]

00:57:15   great for the soul of the magazines that paper magazines are especially the very [TS]

00:57:19   large ones like magazine before they get made it crappy but anyway you know I [TS]

00:57:23   don't have big bogus these days but there are magazines that are very large [TS]

00:57:26   and it's a sure I can do that but novels are paper books paperback size usually [TS]

00:57:31   even hardcovers [TS]

00:57:32   are not as big as the iPad pro in most cases most of paperbacks that I myself [TS]

00:57:37   even the biggest ones I have up here are more or less for iPad air two sides not [TS]

00:57:42   iPad process so it is a little over sized but others have last week the [TS]

00:57:47   whole ideas maybe not for reading novels or anything you can have other stuff on [TS]

00:57:51   the screen at the same time so you can bounce back and forth between Twitter [TS]

00:57:54   and flipping through the latest issue of you know car driver or whatever and [TS]

00:57:59   that's the general theme that that we found so far the iPad perot is like it's [TS]

00:58:04   really good for certain things but that is it doesn't overlap completely with [TS]

00:58:09   what the smaller iPads are really good at like you would think that that the [TS]

00:58:13   what that what the iPad probe agree that would be a strict superset and where it [TS]

00:58:19   would include everything the small ones are good at plus also some new stuff and [TS]

00:58:23   I don't that's actually the case and that's ok you know it in the same way [TS]

00:58:27   that like a 17 inch MacBook Pro may rest in peace is not great at everything you [TS]

00:58:33   want a laptop to be too to be four you know if you want to be using it on a [TS]

00:58:37   plane or if you want to carry it around the time 17 inch MacBook Pro is not that [TS]

00:58:41   great for that that doesn't mean that the entire MacBook Pro line has to be [TS]

00:58:45   small thin and light you know so now we're reaching the point with the iPad [TS]

00:58:50   lineup that it has substantial differentiation between the models now [TS]

00:58:55   and that's okay you can't just be sure that if you like one of the iPad's you [TS]

00:59:01   can't be sure that the next one up will be better in every way for you to if if [TS]

00:59:07   you work to do to your parents house for a few days would you bring it with you a [TS]

00:59:15   really good question probably not because I don't have time to sit and get [TS]

00:59:23   or draw or paint anything so I never brought my painting supplies there even [TS]

00:59:28   though I have travel ones so probably not but I would bring my regular size [TS]

00:59:35   iPad because sometimes I do like to read when I'm [TS]

00:59:38   they're like during naps their evening or out of town but so so no probably [TS]

00:59:44   wouldn't because this really pick two and the internet connections of the [TS]

00:59:48   great I'm assuming since you wouldn't bring it to mom and dads that you [TS]

00:59:53   probably wouldn't bring it on like a trip or something like that like let's [TS]

00:59:56   say you know tested as European delivery which I understand makes no sense and [TS]

01:00:02   you guys maybe all of us go again would you bring this on that sort of a trip [TS]

01:00:08   now I wouldn't I wouldn't because I'm not a digital artist I'm just now [TS]

01:00:12   learning and getting interested in trying to do it because it is just like [TS]

01:00:16   john was saying it's very different holding a stylist to a screen and trying [TS]

01:00:21   to get it to mimic [TS]

01:00:23   moving or a brush with bristles that are dynamic and move-in swirl translating [TS]

01:00:29   that if they if that's what you want to do is you want to paint something [TS]

01:00:33   satisfying that doesn't happen on the iPad but if you want to do something [TS]

01:00:38   create a digital piece of art which I find is is just like another medium [TS]

01:00:43   until you know yet paint you have pencil you have digital are like it's just [TS]

01:00:46   another way to do it and there is another set of skills that you need to [TS]

01:00:50   learn and develop so if I got into that then yeah I would see myself carrying [TS]

01:00:55   this with me to accomplish that task if I want to create a digital Journal of a [TS]

01:01:01   trip I was going on but as of right now no because I'm just not enough I'm not [TS]

01:01:07   skilled enough but I can definitely see a place for it for other people but for [TS]

01:01:11   me it's it's just too big a digital journals like that that is a thing that [TS]

01:01:16   people should aspire to make the iPad probe into a good tool for alleged terms [TS]

01:01:22   of people some people do this as a people don't like to like a while you're [TS]

01:01:25   on the trip so you're going on a trip to Europe while you there at like at the [TS]

01:01:28   end of each day that you take the photos off your camera put them right into your [TS]

01:01:33   iPad 4 with the USB port that will talk about it a little bit maybe use the [TS]

01:01:38   various applications available on the iPad pro to compose it a cool in a web [TS]

01:01:43   page or slide show or a movie or something you can share with everybody [TS]

01:01:46   else in at the end of each day you would send out to your family or whoever is [TS]

01:01:49   interested [TS]

01:01:49   here's how are you know second day in italy was right or just even just to be [TS]

01:01:54   working on it so that by the time you come home from the trip you have [TS]

01:01:56   everything sort of assembled together into whatever form that you decide you [TS]

01:02:00   want to share your trip with a series of pictures or a slide show or a movie or a [TS]

01:02:04   web page with a bunch of pictures and blog post all the type of things that we [TS]

01:02:08   all know that we can do with computers and websites a lot of I think the [TS]

01:02:13   existing image of the iPad in most people's mind and then the reality for [TS]

01:02:17   most people other than maybe she is that the best way to synthesize all these [TS]

01:02:23   different things [TS]

01:02:24   photos video text web stuff you know [TS]

01:02:28   emailing people compiling all that information [TS]

01:02:31   the best way to do that is still on a Mac and I see no reason the iPad pro [TS]

01:02:36   can't be as good or better at almost all those things especially with the stylist [TS]

01:02:40   in but if you want to add take pictures like a magic arranging pictures in a lot [TS]

01:02:44   like an application let you sort of vilification album where you could hand [TS]

01:02:47   right underneath the things little captions in the more personal if you see [TS]

01:02:51   me running than typing in captions for things and being able to touch things [TS]

01:02:56   and drag things around as if they were actually photos in a real scrapbooking [TS]

01:02:59   stuff they had pro- be perfect for that but that it that's only promise at this [TS]

01:03:04   point I'm sure their applications that do this but like bringing it all [TS]

01:03:07   together [TS]

01:03:08   touch stylus photography importing multiple applications working on a [TS]

01:03:13   single thing and then sharing out everybody I don't think we're there yet [TS]

01:03:16   but I totally think we could be an iPad pro would be the perfect device for that [TS]

01:03:21   the others do doubt that the iPad Pro will make that experience way better for [TS]

01:03:25   everyone anyone who really likes doing that is already kind of doing that on a [TS]

01:03:30   laptop so you I feel like the people who are committed to doing that kind of [TS]

01:03:35   thing that work on the go vacation journaling or you know scrapbooking and [TS]

01:03:42   sending it out to family it's going to open up to a lot more people with the [TS]

01:03:46   iPad because it becomes way more accessible but it's again it's another [TS]

01:03:49   thing you have to be into doing I felt you know for me in the end of you know [TS]

01:03:56   in the evening the stuff when I'm on vacation and doing stuff I kind of just [TS]

01:03:59   want to read Twitter put my own photo on Instagram [TS]

01:04:03   move on you know like committing to all of that work while on vacation I think [TS]

01:04:08   takes a certain type of person and that person that's going to really grab hold [TS]

01:04:12   of this kind of device and run with it the best kind of technology actually [TS]

01:04:18   changes habits little bit so a lot of us for not having people who made family [TS]

01:04:23   movies of anything but when I movie came out and it made it simple and fun to [TS]

01:04:29   make a quick little movie even in turn downtown me how about a movie is not [TS]

01:04:33   simple and it is not find every christmas is like iMovie stress how in [TS]

01:04:40   this household I make a Christmas movie every year with a stop motion video of [TS]

01:04:44   us unwrapping gifts and stuff and it is held every time and am also very upset [TS]

01:04:49   that there aren't any new themes ever ever ever ever get my point is that that [TS]

01:04:54   those applications down applications made people who would never even [TS]

01:04:57   consider doing that [TS]

01:04:59   tried at least once a whole bunch of people tried it and we're more or less [TS]

01:05:03   successful and some percentage ratio 50% or whatever people who did not suddenly [TS]

01:05:08   become people who make videos for every occasion their life but they did it [TS]

01:05:11   maybe once maybe twice right because the application suddenly made it possible it [TS]

01:05:16   wasn't like well I can't make a video of my family all I can do is shoot the [TS]

01:05:21   video record to my little you know VHS are many TV or whatever and then we can [TS]

01:05:26   all watch it from start to end its interminable but I'm never gonna edit [TS]

01:05:28   this video is another video editor and the early days of the iLife suite made [TS]

01:05:33   it so that regular people who are never considered his video editors suddenly [TS]

01:05:37   had a tool in their house that they could use to edit a little video and try [TS]

01:05:40   to find it really difficult and you make crappy videos but it did it once to [TS]

01:05:43   twice and I feel like the iPad perot would stop putting everything could take [TS]

01:05:48   people who would never in a million years go through all the work to do it [TS]

01:05:51   on a laptop and know how to synthesize all that stuff and make it that there's [TS]

01:05:54   one or two good applications the iPad robust our support maybe someone who [TS]

01:05:58   isn't one of those people who makes at the end of every vacation day brings [TS]

01:06:02   their I pepper with them and tried it once and sends out a nice things like [TS]

01:06:05   that so I'm talking about I could sit small stakes but technology can [TS]

01:06:09   sort of like lower the barrier to entry to the point where people who are never [TS]

01:06:14   going to be serious about it still will like dabble for a second or two and find [TS]

01:06:19   out yet there still isn't for me but had me this cool thing out of it and that's [TS]

01:06:22   exactly how I feel now about the digital art before I never even considered ever [TS]

01:06:27   ever ever trying to do anything digital and because this thing kind of appeared [TS]

01:06:32   and Marco buys everything so it things appear it peaked my interest into trying [TS]

01:06:41   this meaning that I've never would have tried before because I'm not gonna go [TS]

01:06:45   out and purchase the tablet and purchased you know even though I do have [TS]

01:06:49   a table we have one of those guys we have everything but we've had a Wacom [TS]

01:06:52   tablet sitting in the closet for about five years I try to do anything it was [TS]

01:06:56   awful so for me but I'm not gonna go out and get a program and learn it but with [TS]

01:07:02   this it just feels so accessible and attainable to learn how to do at least a [TS]

01:07:08   base level of of this kind of thing so I Pad Pro ultimate at home iPad yes at [TS]

01:07:16   home might add me I would even say also like you know it's a little bit this [TS]

01:07:20   last week to Buddha my my father time playing with that just reinforces this I [TS]

01:07:25   think it's the kind of thing where if you were already using an iPad for [TS]

01:07:30   productivity kind of work then this will probably be even better for you you know [TS]

01:07:36   if you if you are already doing like email and documents and spreadsheets and [TS]

01:07:40   and stuff like that in on an iPad before then this will probably be an [TS]

01:07:45   improvement but it is it is it is kind of like a laptop in that way like it if [TS]

01:07:51   it has replaced your laptop or you know or if it is almost replace your laptop [TS]

01:07:56   already before you had an iPad pro then yes this is probably the device for you [TS]

01:08:01   or if you have some of these like you know nice creative uses if you plan to [TS]

01:08:06   use the pencil if if you could make use of such a thing [TS]

01:08:09   this is also gonna be amazing for you if you are currently using an iPad with a [TS]

01:08:14   keyboard and you want a better larger keyboard this will probably meeting for [TS]

01:08:18   you as well we haven't we don't have the keyboard so we can really say how good [TS]

01:08:21   they are many people [TS]

01:08:22   already but if you if you're using your iPad primarily for content consumption [TS]

01:08:28   or if you're like me and you can't quite figure out when to use your iPad for the [TS]

01:08:34   most part then it's more of a mixed bag it's it's not a guarantee this will be [TS]

01:08:38   better for you and it isn't a guarantee that that you would date you would be [TS]

01:08:42   happy with it you got it so that is still up in the air but I will say that [TS]

01:08:46   for the things that is good at like that pen input it is it is so good that like [TS]

01:08:52   for me as as a long time [TS]

01:08:54   iPad skeptic and just kind of not having much use for my iPad's I want a reason [TS]

01:08:59   to use it I i actually and motivated to try to use it and it really into it [TS]

01:09:03   because using the pencil is just so damn fun I won't ask that to Casey because if [TS]

01:09:10   you're if you're the guy here who says he does not do art stuff right and I [TS]

01:09:14   cracked John does a little bit I know market is a little bit he's a liar and a [TS]

01:09:21   no idea but for you does this entry cue to start possibly playing around and [TS]

01:09:27   seeing if you want to learn how to draw and to start that learning on the iPad I [TS]

01:09:34   don't think so I mean to be fair I've only played at the pencil like I said [TS]

01:09:37   for him editor to it was not very much at all and I thought it was neat but it [TS]

01:09:42   struck me as the sort of thing that I would think this is really need for a [TS]

01:09:45   week or two and then I'd probably never look at it again now who knows maybe in [TS]

01:09:49   a week or two I would get bit by the art bug if you will and then I would never [TS]

01:09:53   put it down but my guess is I would think shiny new need for a week maybe [TS]

01:10:01   two and then I would just never look never looked back and I wish I wish I [TS]

01:10:05   could do it somebody had asked TIFF have a photography work and I think this is [TS]

01:10:10   this is worth touching on briefly would you use it for photography is so why if [TS]

01:10:15   not why not I guess right now not because the way I added my photos it's [TS]

01:10:21   very very heavy in Photoshop [TS]

01:10:24   and the I feel like just the power and the hardware needed to run the Photoshop [TS]

01:10:34   that I like to run when I get my photos is just not there on the iPad I could [TS]

01:10:42   see it because if if it end if they end of translating onto the iPad with the [TS]

01:10:47   touch interface it might be interesting to do but I don't know the precision of [TS]

01:10:51   some of the Photoshop actions that I do really probably would not translate that [TS]

01:10:58   gray and for me I have to edit photos if anyone else is out there who is a [TS]

01:11:04   photographer or edit photos you know that if you use a different screen for [TS]

01:11:09   editing your photos not screen that you have calibrated with a printer that you [TS]

01:11:13   use or they are used to working with you can move photos from one device to [TS]

01:11:17   another and the colors will be all wrong that you have worked on so you could sit [TS]

01:11:22   and you can work on a picture for you know twenty minutes if you're traveling [TS]

01:11:29   at all over the place in putting filters on and taking them off like I do like an [TS]

01:11:32   insane person because I'm crazy but if you do that you would have no one device [TS]

01:11:38   and you put it on another and then all of a sudden it's not what you wanted it [TS]

01:11:41   to be which that frustration exist when I get for voters to clients and they [TS]

01:11:45   don't have the right color but I've found a way to fix that anyway but it's [TS]

01:11:50   just it's not right now I right now it's not accessible on the the level that i'm [TS]

01:11:55   i'm playing with here and I think that a lot of other people feel that too but if [TS]

01:11:59   you're just doing you know you're moving some sliders around which the majority [TS]

01:12:02   of our family photos that's all that it needs then it is pretty accessible but I [TS]

01:12:07   don't like having my photos into places where we actually have something of a [TS]

01:12:11   generous about that there was this thing and Macworld [TS]

01:12:13   about the display quality color accuracy of the iPad pro vs the surface Pro for [TS]

01:12:20   and other things and I've ever didn't come out that wellness test not that [TS]

01:12:24   there's no bad screen cities are all good screens but the 704 edged out and [TS]

01:12:28   forget but the company is that does this [TS]

01:12:31   the test all the display is just a mate I believe historically Apple has been [TS]

01:12:35   weird with with the displays because it's you know that they always displays [TS]

01:12:41   as those beautiful display of ever put in a blah blah blah like they always say [TS]

01:12:44   they're great they don't tend to differentiate but whenever anyone does [TS]

01:12:47   any actual testing with the color meter some models of devices have super [TS]

01:12:51   accurate displays and some have not so accurate ones and it doesn't follow any [TS]

01:12:55   particular lines like I think they were saying like the best screen Apple had [TS]

01:12:58   ever put on was like I'm one of the many is there something yet at the most [TS]

01:13:02   recent iPad Mini Mini for ya so they're all pretty good but you know but there [TS]

01:13:07   is enough variance that would be saying is surely it's not just like that you [TS]

01:13:12   know even equally good they can be different than a calibrated but then [TS]

01:13:17   some cases just like the screen can display the same range of colours at [TS]

01:13:21   that screen Canzano Amanda calibrations ever gonna make them look the same same [TS]

01:13:24   it's also interesting that they have the nice TCPIP 310 bit screens on the on the [TS]

01:13:31   new iMacs but that has that didn't make it into the iPad pro I wonder and even [TS]

01:13:38   support standard colors and that's one of the reasons why but it'd be [TS]

01:13:42   interesting to see if and when that gets added to iOS that could really help as [TS]

01:13:47   well yeah it's not that I Mac Pro but it's got the good screen but the iPad [TS]

01:13:51   pro not something I mean obviously have different strengths or handheld device [TS]

01:13:54   like who knows what the requirements are you know that extra little bit of color [TS]

01:13:57   accuracy and ended 10 been arranged everything maybe it's just not feasible [TS]

01:14:00   at all in a handheld battery-powered device yet again will be nice though but [TS]

01:14:05   anyway or any other questions for 240 just in general terms like thumbs up [TS]

01:14:12   yeah yeah I really like it and I think that I'm going to develop liking it even [TS]

01:14:16   more because as I get better [TS]

01:14:18   the you know doing the digital art thing that I think I think it's going to [TS]

01:14:23   become more and more useful as a another tool of hobby I think you know it's not [TS]

01:14:30   my profession at all so it's it's very much a hobby tool but it's it's pretty [TS]

01:14:35   darn fun one also my thanks for coming on sharing with us and thanks for having [TS]

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01:15:41   launched apps and a whole SDK so if you get automatic com slash at you can [TS]

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01:15:55   with if this than that I have TTT however the pronounced as you can you [TS]

01:15:59   can build recipes in if this than that based on your driving behavior and [TS]

01:16:04   driving events and so we can do things like when I'm close to home in the car [TS]

01:16:09   use my nest thermostat to automatically turn the air conditioning on so when I [TS]

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01:16:16   with some of these out things like FreshBooks integration pebble Smart [TS]

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01:17:08   response show once again make users more about the iPad pro I believe for now we [TS]

01:17:14   can talk about the USB thing but I can stay at least we have to get more info [TS]

01:17:17   about the bottom line is that the iPad Pro is definitely the device for you [TS]

01:17:20   want to have a speedy way to shove stuff into it and Apple has said that there is [TS]

01:17:24   going to be able to do that with usb3 speeds is there really a lot of emotion [TS]

01:17:32   behind tethered over the cable transfer of files to iOS devices these days [TS]

01:17:38   imagine it's imagine it's all cameras right like if you can connect your [TS]

01:17:41   camera directly to your yes you do it wirelessly if you wanted but if you [TS]

01:17:46   connect your camera or some other card reader thing directly to your iPad then [TS]

01:17:50   you could go on the road with just the iPad and the camera and do some useful [TS]

01:17:54   work that's true that actually and you know I might use it for that I mean [TS]

01:17:58   there are some trips where I bring my laptop now go to a conference I bring my [TS]

01:18:04   laptop but I really don't usually need it for any kind of laptop a function [TS]

01:18:09   that I can't serve just as well buy my iPhone or an iPad so you know I could [TS]

01:18:14   see the value in having that they've they've had ever since the first iPad is [TS]

01:18:19   sold the camera connection kit which has even been able to be in St card reader [TS]

01:18:23   or a USB port which you can use the plugin also decreased if you think about [TS]

01:18:26   but a surprising amount of driverless USB peripherals work on iPads with a [TS]

01:18:33   camera connection kit and some even work on iPhones anyway so I could see that [TS]

01:18:37   being being possible because the camera connection kit is is a [TS]

01:18:43   fairly rarely sold accessory as far as I know that they've never seem to put a [TS]

01:18:47   whole lot of effort into the the process and the capabilities of importing photos [TS]

01:18:52   off the camera card into the photos Apple iPads so I don't know how how well [TS]

01:18:57   it would work in practice I haven't try it next week and how it works and I also [TS]

01:19:03   wouldn't expect you to do very well may 14 megapixel raw files that that's why [TS]

01:19:09   usb3 speeds like that's the big thing lighting part mysteriously not those [TS]

01:19:13   speeds and it's kind of a pain if you have taken that files and now with the [TS]

01:19:18   iPad pro this part is capable I don't know how yet if they're not yet but it [TS]

01:19:22   will be capable of USB 3 speeds and so that would really help I mean generally [TS]

01:19:28   when it comes to light processing raw photos on something like an iPad the car [TS]

01:19:33   is a lemon [TS]

01:19:33   no I think the processing power of the devices limit because when you're [TS]

01:19:37   president raw files you have to do the deed the reading and the JPEG conversion [TS]

01:19:41   on on device it is never done for you and the cameras all have these really [TS]

01:19:46   specialized image processors to do it in like you know how the apparel optimized [TS]

01:19:50   way the computers are doing it generally you know on the CPU entirely or maybe [TS]

01:19:56   with some light GPU help and it's it's a pretty slow process to do large Roy [TS]

01:20:02   imports so I'm guessing that be much more useful for JPEG shooters or even in [TS]

01:20:07   the raw + JPEG weirdos like I was briefly but 44 action for people [TS]

01:20:11   shooting RAW who wanted to let you know a couple of quick imports to show [TS]

01:20:15   somebody or preview or post to the social network I probably won't be [TS]

01:20:20   useful for that but I'd love to try between wrong so maybe I'll try I mean I [TS]

01:20:25   mean this distance thing says the file transfer and then there's the conversion [TS]

01:20:29   even just for display purposes so if you can make the part where just copies the [TS]

01:20:33   raw data directly on the card and onto the iPad faster than it gives you more [TS]

01:20:36   time to spend with your slower CPU doing their own conversion for display anyway [TS]

01:20:41   even if it's not just for photography the idea the lighting this is an open [TS]

01:20:45   question is about is licking their back online part was made it like lightning [TS]

01:20:49   how fast will go why did not use USB why did not change it to you is BC [TS]

01:20:53   is it even possible to do usb3 speeds over lightning oh no you can't doesn't [TS]

01:20:58   have enough pins because the usb3 connector has more pins than the [TS]

01:21:01   contacts that are on the Lightning connector and this link in the show [TS]

01:21:04   notes from someone who did a lot of you know investigation into lighting part [TS]

01:21:09   backordered introduced this rainer a broader Hoffs blog and he has come back [TS]

01:21:14   to talk about the lack of pins and citizen he came down to is that you [TS]

01:21:20   don't need all the pains of a real USB thing because they have dedicated pins [TS]

01:21:23   for the USB two speeds and lighting doesn't have to do that again [TS]

01:21:26   multiplexing it's a look at home not doing USB two speeds or something else [TS]

01:21:30   but we'll see it I think people who are doing tear downs on the iPad pro said [TS]

01:21:35   they found two new look like two new connectors inside there so maybe the [TS]

01:21:38   adapters will have extra contacts I don't know how to work while to wait [TS]

01:21:41   till these adapters are introducing if they're already out I just haven't seen [TS]

01:21:44   them yet so there's some fall for next week [TS]

01:21:47   alright thanks let two or three sponsors this week [TS]

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01:21:57   now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [TS]

01:22:09   Casey [TS]

01:22:12   it was accidental and Marco [TS]

01:22:56   I do very much want to talk to you but I think we're better off tonight talking [TS]

01:23:01   about the iMac that's totally different [TS]

01:23:04   alright so I'm not my computer to be clear the Mac Pro 2008 Mac Pro still [TS]

01:23:11   here I'm speaking into it right now this is a replacement for my wife's 2011 [TS]

01:23:16   MacBook Air which was getting long in the tooth in our photos couldn't fit [TS]

01:23:22   anymore so we had an external SSD but it was only fire 800 and I was part of the [TS]

01:23:26   reason I thought photos might have been slow and anyway [TS]

01:23:28   done big fancy new iMac after hearing Marco report good things about his 2709 [TS]

01:23:35   action as the new from your fancy a model with even nicer screen and she [TS]

01:23:40   knows that she just wanted I magnin on freeway even as he took the MacBook Air [TS]

01:23:45   how the room on a podcast so she could so use a computer without being here but [TS]

01:23:49   they might still have the MacBook Air is just moved over to the other desperate [TS]

01:23:53   using a Mac and like me a few things for me to report that I never really spent [TS]

01:23:58   any time with markers I saw it and the ones in Astoria they've seen the [TS]

01:24:01   temporary spending time with them from mine I decided to not max out the RAM I [TS]

01:24:08   didn't do too much research into this but I just saw in the in the store [TS]

01:24:10   configurator it said 16 gigs for like two dams and 32 easier for a pic 16 [TS]

01:24:16   figuring that despite Mr Dempsey and up to 32 later that's not true don't tell [TS]

01:24:22   me until four years from now when I find out what I should probably fine I got [TS]

01:24:31   the biggest fastest GPU because whatever like I was going to buy the YouTube [TS]

01:24:35   video fingers crossed this will actually not be something to do my kids can now [TS]

01:24:39   play it by now seeing minecraft at non disgusting frame rates and I think I'm [TS]

01:24:45   more impressed than they are but I think at the same time they're never going to [TS]

01:24:48   use the plate on a MacBook Air again I don't blame them and I got the big [TS]

01:24:53   terabyte St because I really want to fit everything on this thing instead of [TS]

01:24:58   external drive which I still have but it's an enclosure that expire 800 so I [TS]

01:25:02   also had two by the way by a lightning to Thunderbolt to firewire 800 out there [TS]

01:25:06   so I could connect my chain of firewire 800 drives and everything but it's mine [TS]

01:25:12   I'll have USB 3 hard drive that I can finally connect to actually use the [TS]

01:25:16   report and I was one of the first things I noticed about this was I have a bus [TS]

01:25:22   powered one terabyte like 2.5 inch USB 3 drive for a while and I decided I'm [TS]

01:25:29   going to use this I was used as the clone drive for this year 10 a super [TS]

01:25:33   duper clones and I kept finding that when the Mac would go to sleep and wake [TS]

01:25:38   back up it would say this disc was not ejected properly bubble blower like it [TS]

01:25:43   was unmounting itself somewhere along the line and that usually means I like [TS]

01:25:49   it's being under powered by the bus and it's just you know not able to maintain [TS]

01:25:53   the connection but then it comes back I don't understand it because it's not [TS]

01:25:57   connected to a hub is directly connected to the computer and I have never had [TS]

01:26:01   that problem than any other computers are connected this to but then again I [TS]

01:26:03   haven't had it connected to other computers for really long period of time [TS]

01:26:06   so I know if I have a broken drive if the ports in the back of the USB the [TS]

01:26:10   iMac can supply enough power for this thing whatever it is that kind of [TS]

01:26:15   annoyed me but i wanna talk about the thickness of external peripherals and [TS]

01:26:19   right now Allen I only connected when I wanna do a clone which is a reasonable [TS]

01:26:23   solution I suppose although I have a whole their drive at the end of the fire [TS]

01:26:26   and change to do if you want to have an enclosure that I have bought like three [TS]

01:26:30   of them now it's something like twelve dollars at City usb3 single disc 2.5 [TS]

01:26:36   inch closer and its I had one of them would would do the exact same thing when [TS]

01:26:41   it was on a really freaky USB hub that I used to have and so far this this [TS]

01:26:46   enclosure to them that I bought have been perfect and for $12 it's been just [TS]

01:26:51   as good as like the expensive ones I've gotten from OWC and stuff in the past [TS]

01:26:55   that's what I had to do that I never considered because I knew that would [TS]

01:26:59   work but even direct connect them a closely so I don't know anyway that's [TS]

01:27:03   the main thing I noticed about this iMac off the bat [TS]

01:27:08   is that the fan in all states it slowly noisier than I thought it would be [TS]

01:27:13   forced to really even in the most I don't like nothing is happening on the [TS]

01:27:18   computer I i download video that shows me the fan rpm like the lowest possible [TS]

01:27:22   rpm I can still hear it more than I could hear the fan on the MacBook Air [TS]

01:27:28   for two reasons one the MacBook Air was like back a little bit farther like it [TS]

01:27:32   was kind of behind the monitor and to the left and to win the MacBook Air fan [TS]

01:27:37   is like doing nothing [TS]

01:27:38   it is a really quiet now the flip side of that is that you do anything to the [TS]

01:27:42   MacBook Air the fan goes up to Super you know they can possibly go and sounds [TS]

01:27:46   like a terrible angry hair dryer right so when iMac you can do way more before [TS]

01:27:51   the fans start spinning up so overall it's probably benefit but every time I [TS]

01:27:55   sit in front of a computer I keep thinking that the hard drives on cause I [TS]

01:27:59   have something for guard that's going to this thing from a different backups and [TS]

01:28:01   I don't leave them on all the time like actually unmount them and turn them off [TS]

01:28:04   and you know like a hard drive and spinning make some noise mechanical hard [TS]

01:28:09   drive I keep thinking that while if one of the drives on the nose just stupid [TS]

01:28:12   fans think anybody thought my computer [TS]

01:28:14   sign it's probably still choir than my 2008 Mac Pro though maybe not going that [TS]

01:28:18   grows on the ground in early here that that is my one mild disappointment [TS]

01:28:24   everything else about it is great screen looks great I don't even mind that weird [TS]

01:28:27   looks actually kinda cool but they do see it from the edge sometimes for a [TS]

01:28:33   while I kept thinking that the hinge was loose because it kept going to lay down [TS]

01:28:37   this is my wife she could still take it down the night fighting over what the [TS]

01:28:43   correct position is the screen but the more obvious a different types their [TS]

01:28:46   photos is faster and is much faster than it was in my car and drive it is still [TS]

01:28:53   slow and is still weird and buggy when I when I brought the library over you know [TS]

01:28:58   how to top it off my external drive that took forever and throws really weird [TS]

01:29:03   about I copied every single file over and photos was like I have sixty five [TS]

01:29:08   thousand files to important like no you don't they're all there and so had to [TS]

01:29:12   wait for like three days for it to convince himself that had all the files [TS]

01:29:15   on it at some point it was like you don't [TS]

01:29:17   have enough disk space I'm like how I don't have it you know I have plenty of [TS]

01:29:22   space I'm not even like a quarter filled in this terabyte drive so photos is [TS]

01:29:26   weird and does weird things and scared he sometimes but in the end I just let [TS]

01:29:31   it stew for a long time it was fine I still haven't removed my most recent [TS]

01:29:35   backup of my otha library so if this thing is lying to me I still have [TS]

01:29:40   everything as like you know when I got the new iMac but that was a little [TS]

01:29:44   tricky and boy copying the photo library in the Finder that took so long and was [TS]

01:29:51   so terrifying [TS]

01:29:52   there are so many files involved with that in the Finder gives you a little [TS]

01:29:56   bit of a finer spends like a long time like me [TS]

01:29:56   bit of a finer spends like a long time like me [TS]

01:30:00   he wasn't half hour maybe with more than our preparing to copy not going to copy [TS]

01:30:05   it's preparing to copy it's gotta count all the files and I don't know what it's [TS]

01:30:08   doing to me it's free flying to make sure the spaces available like I should [TS]

01:30:12   use the CPK man just start chopping things what do you like to use rsync for [TS]

01:30:16   crying out loud [TS]

01:30:17   flags on these things that make up the other metadata like no I have no idea [TS]

01:30:22   what I was doing with the 411 be used to find it eventually did work remember I'm [TS]

01:30:26   copping from as a city to SSD here so it's you know it's hot as fire r800 to [TS]

01:30:30   internal SSD is not as a waiver spinning disk to send the heads-up play seeking [TS]

01:30:34   all over there was terrifying it actually did work so yeah so far so good [TS]

01:30:40   another file thing I can put this in here I spent like three days fighting [TS]

01:30:45   with this damn computer that felt like I was going back in time there was 10 Time [TS]

01:30:50   Machine spotlight we're just not happy time machine seemed happy in the [TS]

01:30:54   beginning because it's like oh you know my name I could do the same as it was [TS]

01:30:57   before I did migration as a sense like I told you this descriptor machines like [TS]

01:31:02   you only get inherit the backups from the previous thing and I did because [TS]

01:31:04   like basically that was you know I copy the hard drive over there yes please [TS]

01:31:08   inherit the backup so I don't lose all my previous versions so it starts [TS]

01:31:11   backing up to this thing and I told us to do that and I noticed that like [TS]

01:31:17   spotlight in Time Machine we're just not ever finishing what they're supposed to [TS]

01:31:22   be doing spotlight was always the you know seemingly indexing in the console [TS]

01:31:25   is filling up with tons of like Mt worker errors and stuff like that and [TS]

01:31:28   Time Machine would never actually complete a backup ever ever ever after [TS]

01:31:32   several days this I spent a long time staring at the council and cooling for [TS]

01:31:35   things and finding all these weird obscure errors and people are like oh [TS]

01:31:38   just nuclear spotlight star and you know I did all the things you can imagine [TS]

01:31:42   doing with them to you till like totally removing a thing disabling spotlight [TS]

01:31:46   trying to let spotlight go first trying to buy time machine go first I don't [TS]

01:31:50   know what their problem was but they were totally wage and neither one of [TS]

01:31:54   them [TS]

01:31:54   spotlight indexing when I complete in time she will not complete and I was [TS]

01:31:57   very refreshing because I really can't basically sign off on the computer is [TS]

01:32:01   ready for use until time machine is running really care that much about [TS]

01:32:03   spotlight so I spent many days fighting with that and googling [TS]

01:32:07   and eventually got the thing to go through what the hell was I don't [TS]

01:32:11   remember what the problem was one of those things where it's not like there [TS]

01:32:13   was no aha moment I you know if if you like Google for all these error messages [TS]

01:32:18   you find a million hits on Apple's discussion boards of people the same [TS]

01:32:21   problem sometimes they're benign sometimes people say list of things that [TS]

01:32:24   for me nothing I found help me fix it eventually I just had to go to the old [TS]

01:32:28   school kinda bugging room using like lsof and stuff to figure out who the [TS]

01:32:32   hell has these files open and are they files that I can even delete or re- copy [TS]

01:32:37   one of the solutions involved me deleting my old user account that had on [TS]

01:32:42   that machine because spotlight isn't as indexing the files of the logged in user [TS]

01:32:46   its indexing the files on by all the different users at the same time and [TS]

01:32:49   some of the counselors you're saying you're not from the counter logged into [TS]

01:32:52   and like 10 make sure you log into every account update the clock cloud stuff and [TS]

01:32:56   I did that it didn't help the boy was one of the problems where every solution [TS]

01:33:00   you find you're excited this is gonna be the thing that makes it and it doesn't [TS]

01:33:03   but I did them up in a way I deleted my account from there which took with it a [TS]

01:33:07   lot of files that apparently of the various spotlight metadata diamond [TS]

01:33:11   importe things I can be working in the US where choking on badly and that led [TS]

01:33:16   to progress and eventually spotlight and text anyone spotlight in next time [TS]

01:33:20   machine worked and I just made me think that there's no way in hell that anybody [TS]

01:33:25   could have successfully fix this if they didn't have the if they want a person [TS]

01:33:29   who's willing to spend literally three days just googling and and cursing you [TS]

01:33:33   googling and cursing and part of it is probably because like you know this is [TS]

01:33:39   my gracious assistant and it's like an old account that maybe like had a bunch [TS]

01:33:43   of weird crafty things in it from a long time ago but you know we're going to see [TS]

01:33:49   you should just gonna clean so this is the first time I Gration assist system [TS]

01:33:52   has steered me wrong and really I just blame it was followed her timesheet [TS]

01:33:56   about for just not being more about us find their files up also isn't it weird [TS]

01:34:00   that you can import their car causing AMD worker to crash just just move on [TS]

01:34:04   just you know power through it like then don't index those but if an ironing [TS]

01:34:09   understand why spotlighting time machines seem to Wed each other in this [TS]

01:34:13   way because time machine should work without spotlight and vice versa but [TS]

01:34:16   period so that was a bad sort of first couple days experience but eventually we [TS]

01:34:21   did get into a steady state and now I have mounting back up so I had to [TS]

01:34:25   finally expand my back up some nice analogy which by the way was nice and [TS]

01:34:28   easy because I just got the added you know they don't have trouble reading had [TS]

01:34:32   another drive to think but I just converted from the raid 1 raid 5 and so [TS]

01:34:36   from two discs its rate and so got more space that all worked out so for the fan [TS]

01:34:41   noise things going better for a second cause I my iMac is is almost inaudible [TS]

01:34:47   and and the same is almost inaudible when it's when it's not doing that much [TS]

01:34:51   and and really under any load accept a sustained heavy lift if I Hanbury or [TS]

01:34:58   asked if his a-game running then you will hear the fans but in every other [TS]

01:35:02   time I don't hear the fans at all so I'm curious now of course if you know if you [TS]

01:35:06   had something like I start menu's installed by did I install the thing to [TS]

01:35:10   see their family at 1200 rpm I can hear ok that's good that's as you say mine is [TS]

01:35:15   idling at 1200 and is that loud like it's it's not a loud fan is just not [TS]

01:35:19   inaudible [TS]

01:35:20   I mean I'm surprised in a room that that that includes a Mac Pro is one thing we [TS]

01:35:24   notice like if I went from two macros 22 IMAX and when you would turn off the [TS]

01:35:31   iMac of them in the Mac Pro leaving the iMac behind it was clear as daylight [TS]

01:35:37   when we only had one and one for like a day or two [TS]

01:35:40   the difference was clear as day like that the the Mac Pro was so we always [TS]

01:35:45   thought was quiet relatively speaking but it's so easily would mask the noise [TS]

01:35:49   of the iMac yeah my macros asleep most of the time it does the closest thing to [TS]

01:35:56   the iMac is the ps4 but it's also a sleep unless I was playing but really I [TS]

01:36:01   can only hear that Mike when I'm sitting in front but that's one who knows me [TS]

01:36:04   that sound oh it's a stupid again not loud at all but I just feel like it [TS]

01:36:09   should be like the MacBook Air with literally inaudible when the computer is [TS]

01:36:12   idle and you could hear it at all that was like I was grinding in the back row [TS]

01:36:16   doing something like that and this is close to inaudible but not so it's not [TS]

01:36:22   that big of a deal but it'd be nice if you just like they just need to put an [TS]

01:36:26   even bigger lower rpms and it's not like you don't have room space to spread out [TS]

01:36:31   big leave the fan blades turning it like you know hundred rpm go for it you can [TS]

01:36:37   have it as you said you liked the thin edge you see from the side sometimes [TS]

01:36:40   that's why that's why we can't have nice things done that we can have been quiet [TS]

01:36:43   fans even with the thin and there's enough room for like a frisbee in their [TS]

01:36:46   big screen and speaking that so like her computer is always the one that we had [TS]

01:36:54   not sleeping cuz it was plugged into AC all the time and I was going to have one [TS]

01:36:58   here that the wake all the time to sell you to go for a lot of that rolled her [TS]

01:37:01   computer is always awake and with the iMac it was weird to see Nos 10 I don't [TS]

01:37:06   know this is a new development of the handout IMAX for a while but like with a [TS]

01:37:09   built-in screen computer there's not separate settings for display sleeping [TS]

01:37:13   apparently there's one saying that says do you want me to prevent the computer [TS]

01:37:17   from going to sleep when the display sleeps and there's one slide it says [TS]

01:37:20   when should the display go to sleep I would like to say let's play go to [TS]

01:37:23   sleeps 10 minutes computer go to sleep on our like you used to back in the [TS]

01:37:26   olden days and how I can on my Mac Mac Pro other but you can tell you that the [TS]

01:37:31   check box and I need to just looking to the peerless settings just changes [TS]

01:37:35   though I wanted you can also you can set a hot corner to do immediate display [TS]

01:37:39   sleep yeah and you just have a doubt I know it's just like I'm using the [TS]

01:37:44   sliders that the way they used to be and I'm also known as some spooky behavior [TS]

01:37:48   arcade like you leave the computer known such a nose doing anything and display [TS]

01:37:53   will go off and whether it sleeping or not you come back a little later in this [TS]

01:37:55   label beyond I've been sitting in the room I tap and I've been like plain [TS]

01:37:58   destiny outlook over the screen turns unlike you turning on and you know wait [TS]

01:38:02   for network access is off no weird USB hubs are attached the console is [TS]

01:38:06   anything about what the thing is it's like did you wake up or did the screen [TS]

01:38:09   and sometimes the screen just won't go you know that interval go by 15 mins ago [TS]

01:38:13   by an ice cream monkey off so I've got my eye and it I'm sleep issues like I [TS]

01:38:17   don't care cause is based on all the time anyway but you know what's going on [TS]

01:38:21   there in forever that I know the issue you're talking about I've seen that in [TS]

01:38:25   the past and other computers but I have never seen that either of our IMAX so I [TS]

01:38:31   don't think it's a it's an issue with the iMac I think it's an issue with [TS]

01:38:35   probably so maybe it's that weird USB device [TS]

01:38:39   maybe maybe it's a plague enclosure the plug is that thing is unplugged so [TS]

01:38:43   that's not a fair maybe the fire where the fire was just powered off I don't [TS]

01:38:49   know anyway I gotta figure out how to make this thing happen MCM too much has [TS]

01:38:52   happened once or twice and then one morning I can dance at the computer [TS]

01:38:56   screen on so maybe was on all night anyway it's it's behaving now Windows [TS]

01:39:01   computer can't sleep it's like when you too much chillin nearly 35 like you know [TS]

01:39:08   your computer has so many windows it just it just keeps can't go to sleep my [TS]

01:39:13   computer its her computer doesn't have that many things on it is only 50 she's [TS]

01:39:18   someone does is one of the things that make that he remember when it came time [TS]

01:39:25   to order this is going to the order configuration thing [TS]

01:39:29   asked my wife if she wanted which math she wanted or if you want to try to [TS]

01:39:33   measure trackpad and to my surprise you should she wanted to try to Magic [TS]

01:39:36   Trackpad because she already had a mouse that you liked and we got the extended [TS]

01:39:40   keyboard which is still in the box because she like they keep using your [TS]

01:39:43   old ones that we have an extra now but anyway she picked a magic trackpad and [TS]

01:39:46   not for me still like it's magic is that maybe I still use the mouse I'm not [TS]

01:39:52   going to attract bad person so far remains to be seen if she will make the [TS]

01:39:58   transition she's been trying it and messing around with that but I think if [TS]

01:40:02   I look over there now I think the mouse is still next to the keyboards I think [TS]

01:40:05   she liked the measure track that down and uses it and I don't know I can tell [TS]

01:40:10   when you talk talk talk of the sound different mouse but anyway there's one [TS]

01:40:17   in the house now and she was a curious enough to try but I don't know if it'll [TS]

01:40:21   stick [TS]

01:40:21   stick [TS]

00:00:00   anyway I don't know how you can edit the beginning of the show good luck to [TS]

00:00:03   delete everything before right now come on what am I gonna pull out of a [TS]

00:00:08   clinically cozy cozy discussion was wonderful I don't have a long shot but [TS]

00:00:12   and beer warmers or Ohio Sorry Sorry Ohio it just doesn't make the cut [TS]

00:00:18   just let it be known markers party pooper [TS]

00:00:22   John would you like to tell us about Apple TV catching up on gaming consoles [TS]

00:00:26   in power [TS]

00:00:27   sure how much follow up on Apple TV is fine tailing off now but one [TS]

00:00:31   conversation I saw floating around these past few weeks I forget what prompted it [TS]

00:00:36   otherwise I would have put the link in here but maybe just people talking about [TS]

00:00:41   gaming and Apple TV in general and some people like you know the the Apple TV [TS]

00:00:45   with an AAA it's catching up some gaming consoles and power and gets more [TS]

00:00:50   powerful than a ps3 [TS]

00:00:52   maybe not as powerful as for now but the ps4 isn't going to change anytime soon [TS]

00:00:56   like the s5 is not imminent so if Apple keeps revising the Apple TV at some [TS]

00:01:02   point the Apple TV could be more powerful than all current generation [TS]

00:01:04   gaming consoles and I think that's crazy talk there it it starts with the kernel [TS]

00:01:12   of truth yes that the Apple TV the aids way faster than the old one and I'd even [TS]

00:01:16   go survive and look into this deeply but just looking at the games you could say [TS]

00:01:19   sure ps3 power maybe a little bit more probably that's a safe bet has ps3's [TS]

00:01:25   really old console and again [TS]

00:01:27   agree that it's not BS for power or Xbox one power but then they extrapolated say [TS]

00:01:33   but you know this is the eighth but if next year's the 89th and the a10 you [TS]

00:01:37   know even if it's just a year or two behind the top and phone [TS]

00:01:41   the idea that iOS devices keep getting faster and game consoles have you know [TS]

00:01:47   five to seven year life span sometimes even longer so if there is no P S five [TS]

00:01:52   in their eyes and perhaps just before the PSI overrides the Apple TV will be [TS]

00:01:56   more powerful and more powerful gaming system and the reason I think that's [TS]

00:01:59   bunk is not necessarily because Apple couldn't make hardware that is faster [TS]

00:02:03   than the ps4 because they inevitably will also not perhaps in the time frame [TS]

00:02:07   before the BS IV comes but just because the Apple TV isn't the iPhone it doesn't [TS]

00:02:12   get revised every year and even the iPhone even the highest-end iOS device [TS]

00:02:17   they make the gigantic iPad pro the bill talk about later has only four gigs of [TS]

00:02:21   ram and the ps4 has eight gigs of ram and you think well you know dramas [TS]

00:02:25   matters the CPU and GPU will be just as fast when it comes to making games [TS]

00:02:30   things like RAM [TS]

00:02:31   and things like hard disk space and stuff like that makes a difference in [TS]

00:02:36   the ps4 i think is a 500 gig hard drive now many gigs of ram when do you think [TS]

00:02:41   it's going to be the Apple TV around eventually it will write but will have [TS]

00:02:44   eight gigs of ram before the P S five is out I find that hard to believe given [TS]

00:02:48   how frequently Apple updates the Apple TV and and even just given I don't even [TS]

00:02:53   think the iPhone will have a gig of ram by 10 the DSi comes out the current rate [TS]

00:02:57   of RAM do so and that's what makes a difference for games with like large [TS]

00:03:03   open world games with high-resolution textures and all that other stuff so [TS]

00:03:06   anyone thinking that the Apple TV will eventually be more powerful than the ps4 [TS]

00:03:10   it will but by that time the TSX probably be out there is also a pretty [TS]

00:03:14   big difference in thermals between between these kind of systems you know [TS]

00:03:17   that as we as we see from modern CPU and GPU limitations and designs and progress [TS]

00:03:23   and everything we're mainly limited by how much we will allow the chips 22 [TS]

00:03:28   output or how much we can deal with the not putting and that pretty much put a [TS]

00:03:31   limit on performance that we can get them at any given moment in any given [TS]

00:03:35   year like in whatever we can do that year that is generally what we're [TS]

00:03:38   fighting against the first things are AC connected you know that's really need to [TS]

00:03:42   worry too much about the current draw which is related but you know you can [TS]

00:03:46   you can match up the current drug much as you want you're plugged into a wall [TS]

00:03:49   outlet but you still in a little tiny box 200 bucks next year TV hundred bucks [TS]

00:03:54   your TV with no fan little tiny enclosure that's not even made of metal [TS]

00:03:58   it's gonna be pretty hard to get you know maybe he tapped out of that you [TS]

00:04:03   look at the game console and they had these big hot ship these big loud [TS]

00:04:07   annoying fans especially in their first generation before the due process [TS]

00:04:10   hearing so when the cs5 comes out there gonna be able to put in some giant big [TS]

00:04:17   Hot Chip with a big loud fan on it and the Apple TV will still need to be this [TS]

00:04:21   cheap families box running year or two old iPhone cuts and their and their [TS]

00:04:26   offset from each other because like could you imagine when the PSD first [TS]

00:04:29   came out of you that someday they'll be a little black box with no fans and its [TS]

00:04:33   more powerful than the ps3 you like it out here but here we are [TS]

00:04:36   but look at the time span [TS]

00:04:37   its huge gap between the ps3 now so like just family's thing is always going to [TS]

00:04:43   lag behind the thing with fans by at least a generation in and not like [TS]

00:04:50   processing power as much as just capacity for large you know games like [TS]

00:04:55   it [TS]

00:04:55   having all that RAM is important for putting the big console games on there [TS]

00:04:59   for the for the big textures and all I know the stuff and if you don't have [TS]

00:05:02   that Ramdev you have to weigh like the ps3 didn't have a lot to a lot of crap [TS]

00:05:06   in it [TS]

00:05:06   part of the reason that the Apple TV can imagine these days it's because ps3 was [TS]

00:05:10   very strange architecture and relatively ramstein but the ps4 is not RAM starved [TS]

00:05:16   it's got tons of RAM and it's got tons of hard drive space which is not as fast [TS]

00:05:20   as an SSD when you're you know freeloading levels and stuff it's fast [TS]

00:05:24   enough to stream clubs anyway I don't I'm definitely not looking for the Apple [TS]

00:05:30   TV to catch up and pass the ps4 unless I guess there is no BS five and then wait [TS]

00:05:34   around until we can get a ps4 in a little box thing but I really think at [TS]

00:05:38   this point that probably will be a PSI biggest the ps4 is doing pretty well for [TS]

00:05:41   Sony all things considered [TS]

00:05:44   alright and you follow up on an infinite times the rate we're going we are going [TS]

00:05:49   to not have follow-up at all I don't even know what to make of this bloody [TS]

00:05:53   shame that you can take them to put a lot of stuff in there but it's not [TS]

00:05:58   really because we're just gonna talk more about that later [TS]

00:06:01   any fallout you'd like to join you know that is fair enough [TS]

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00:08:03   week it was a pretty big disaster in I didn't really know what was going on I [TS]

00:08:10   i've been really busy and so I have been following twitter is as religiously as I [TS]

00:08:13   usually do and I saw there was some issues and I didn't think a lot of it [TS]

00:08:18   because everything seemed to be working on my computer and then all of us to run [TS]

00:08:22   one password and I was told I couldn't and suddenly the thing I wasn't paying [TS]

00:08:27   attention to became a lot more real so john wants to tell us what happened [TS]

00:08:33   well so stop the run from the Mac App Store is DRM encumbered let's say some [TS]

00:08:42   degree their receipts that the Mac App Store but the application Apple's advice [TS]

00:08:48   for figuring out on the launch of the application whether Abbas valleys to [TS]

00:08:52   check those receipts this code that they you know some code samples showing you [TS]

00:08:55   how to do that [TS]

00:08:56   but you really do it anyway you want some developers use OpenSSL library at a [TS]

00:09:03   bundle into their application of it sells an open source thing to check [TS]

00:09:07   their certificates and their couple problems related as with most disasters [TS]

00:09:11   not just one thing goes wrong multiples one of the things that went wrong is [TS]

00:09:15   that Apple updated their certificate for this recede to use a better encryption [TS]

00:09:21   of a strong encryption they'd been using previously and it just so happens that [TS]

00:09:24   the OpenSSL library that a lot of applications used to validate their [TS]

00:09:28   receipts can't handle this new encryption level right so that's one [TS]

00:09:34   class of things that are wrong side of things that went wrong is the Mac App [TS]

00:09:38   Store certificate expired and Apple replace it with a new one that is why [TS]

00:09:41   they had the occasion I think there are places with the new one that had the [TS]

00:09:44   stronger corruption and as a bug in the Mac App Store where even if a new [TS]

00:09:48   certificate is issued after the Obama has expired [TS]

00:09:51   some caching issue locally on the max that makes it not take the new even [TS]

00:09:58   though the old one expired and so what people were getting was they were trying [TS]

00:10:06   to launch application and I just one application but some in some cases of [TS]

00:10:09   advocating for every application they've got from the Mac App Store you would end [TS]

00:10:15   up getting these dollar boxes save this application is damaged please throw in [TS]

00:10:18   the trash basically the system telling you that it could invalidate the [TS]

00:10:21   authenticity is advocating this kind of the system working as designed and like [TS]

00:10:24   if some malware infected all your applications and Mike turn them in the [TS]

00:10:28   Trojan horses and stuff you would want to know [TS]

00:10:32   hey don't you know don't run this application that's messed up the same [TS]

00:10:35   dialog appears as if the violation machinery says you know like this case [TS]

00:10:39   the certificate expired and even though Apple had issued a new uneven [TS]

00:10:42   application might have been able to use that new one to validate that everything [TS]

00:10:45   was going on the local operating system was telling it [TS]

00:10:49   know you're trying to use certificate that expired like three days ago so [TS]

00:10:52   you're on a lot so Apple fix this by downgrading their encryption to the [TS]

00:10:57   elders and I think so applications version of this out [TS]

00:11:01   and I don't know what they did to fix the oven to tell people like to reboot [TS]

00:11:06   and stuff I'm not entirely sure what they did [TS]

00:11:08   yeah they said they're preparing a software update for iOS tend to prevent [TS]

00:11:12   the caching issue in the future but I can help people who had this problem [TS]

00:11:15   last week [TS]

00:11:16   yeah I mean this this was a disaster on so many levels it it's kind of an [TS]

00:11:20   embarrassment mean so is the official statement they give which came pretty [TS]

00:11:25   late six days later they made an official statement and it wasn't even [TS]

00:11:29   that was at a public statement I think the email developers this thing I did [TS]

00:11:32   something to developers and they also they also gave a PR statement to sites [TS]

00:11:37   like I'm more into in a show notes this is a Apple is a lot of things they don't [TS]

00:11:41   they don't put bad news or reactions to things on their own site you know [TS]

00:11:46   they'll send the same PR statement to like you know known friendly Apple sites [TS]

00:11:50   and have them all basically reported an apology behalf for them to the Apple [TS]

00:11:55   doesn't have to like soil their site with any kind of negative PR so the [TS]

00:11:58   statement they gave was I think it was a lot of BS and some truth there was a [TS]

00:12:05   planned event and most users experienced no issues however some use experienced [TS]

00:12:11   some issues during this change now that because the nature of this problem I [TS]

00:12:18   think most users that is complete BS the idea that most users experience no [TS]

00:12:27   issues and only some people had only some problems [TS]

00:12:30   know how it is there any way that Apple could know the actual answer that [TS]

00:12:34   because the Apple is not tracking I'm assuming how often we launch [TS]

00:12:37   applications and stuff so I don't think anyone really knows the scope of this [TS]

00:12:42   problem I you know I don't know I don't know honestly but but the fact is you [TS]

00:12:46   know this PR statement is trying to minimize the issue but if you don't know [TS]

00:12:52   and Apple doesn't [TS]

00:12:53   know everyone is just guessing based on stories they've heard right I guess [TS]

00:12:56   that's true I mean I suppose they could know like how many people get the [TS]

00:12:59   certificate server right i mean they can estimate an estimated from life support [TS]

00:13:04   load because you can do some math and say if we get X numbers of your calls to [TS]

00:13:08   this issue that means why people really had this issue you know just based on [TS]

00:13:11   historically speaking how many people will go to the phones are going to email [TS]

00:13:14   about a particular issue you can kind of back at the envelope figure out based on [TS]

00:13:18   previous problems that you did have better metrics on my nose and we're [TS]

00:13:22   using is like do you know somebody who had this problem with their computer I [TS]

00:13:27   can say I didn't I actually did encounter the problem of many my [TS]

00:13:31   computer but then again I tend to avoid buying applications and Mac App Store [TS]

00:13:35   but I do have some for example slap a broader than a Gap store and I use it [TS]

00:13:38   every day and I had no problem with it is it because I'm always running it and [TS]

00:13:41   if you're like if you're running it and the certificate expires in August [TS]

00:13:44   probably the only to quit and launch it but I'm pretty sure I did clinton lunch [TS]

00:13:47   during that window in heaven restarted so anyway I had zero problems [TS]

00:13:51   Casey had a problem some people had tons of problems I had many problems like [TS]

00:13:55   stories with the show the dialog box like 500 dialog box is popping up on the [TS]

00:13:58   screen [TS]

00:13:58   things anyway that the bottom line is that this was a problem that could have [TS]

00:14:04   potentially affected every single user is never purchased anything in the Mac [TS]

00:14:08   App Store that and it and it probably affected a lot of them because who you [TS]

00:14:13   know I maybe I just got lucky but like conceptually speaking this is you don't [TS]

00:14:18   need a weird set of circumstances to trigger this problem I don't think you [TS]

00:14:22   just need to have purchase things in a cab store to have your system cache the [TS]

00:14:27   old city and then to launch them at the new one has been issued a check point at [TS]

00:14:32   something pretty relevant here [TS]

00:14:33   slack probably does not do receive validation on lunch because the free app [TS]

00:14:38   care so the only after receiving outpatient would would have had this [TS]

00:14:43   problem I'm trying to get the Mac App Store apps I have I guess I have Apple's [TS]

00:14:47   apps like you know [TS]

00:14:48   you know pages and all that stuff from Iraq speed and that I tend not to buy [TS]

00:14:54   the Mac App Store and that's that the second factor in this which is things [TS]

00:14:58   like this especially for people who have no idea why this happened [TS]

00:15:02   make them feel worse about the Mac App Store and people who have any clue about [TS]

00:15:07   the details of the Mac App Store this widely make them avoid it more than they [TS]

00:15:10   did in the past I am avoiding it for a variety of reasons mostly because [TS]

00:15:14   they're you know the applications I use even when they were on the negative like [TS]

00:15:19   BBEdit I never bought the Mac App Store version because it was crippled by Sam [TS]

00:15:22   boxing because of Apple's rules over have a choice between buying the [TS]

00:15:25   crippled sandbox version and the non crippled version and another nine [TS]

00:15:28   crippled version gives more money to the developer by the Niagara provision every [TS]

00:15:31   time so it's what I've always done if there's any choice the one that and the [TS]

00:15:34   Mac App Store it's always been like that's convenient you know I don't care [TS]

00:15:38   that much about it it's not a big deal or it's free like slacker whatever you [TS]

00:15:42   know it's more convenient than going to direct download it like I would like to [TS]

00:15:46   have the experience where I just go to one place and see all my apps and auto [TS]

00:15:48   update them know that is something I'd like those features the Mac App Store [TS]

00:15:51   but perhaps they really count I'm definitely buying them outside but are [TS]

00:15:54   people who were more towards the Mac App Store the like you know what the [TS]

00:15:58   convenience is more important to me than like giving more money a developer and [TS]

00:16:02   the allegations I use don't suffer many soundbytes any issues and I really love [TS]

00:16:05   auto-update knows his stuff never mind the most Mac outside for the Mac App [TS]

00:16:10   Store already using spark or something like that anyway for people who know [TS]

00:16:14   about these details this is going to make them think twice because they're [TS]

00:16:17   like before the tradeoff is worth it to me I will buy from the Mac App Store [TS]

00:16:20   because the convenience is worth it to me for further potential downsides but [TS]

00:16:23   now they're weighing that can be very versus like you know this day when all [TS]

00:16:30   your absolute launch and you gotta figure out what the problem is and so [TS]

00:16:33   this is not good [TS]

00:16:35   both short-term and long-term for the Mac App Store which is already not a [TS]

00:16:38   particularly beloved institution as far as developers and tech-savvy users are [TS]

00:16:42   concerned that's the problem i mean it there's there are so many reasons [TS]

00:16:47   already why you might want to be hesitant about buying the Mac App Store [TS]

00:16:51   and why developers might want to be hesitant to be in the Mac App Store and [TS]

00:16:55   to just to add one more thing the pilot just a really bad [TS]

00:16:58   and for that and it just seems like you know there is there's a good post by is [TS]

00:17:05   it is it Michael Tsai and he he he made a post called there's nobody minding the [TS]

00:17:15   store is basically like you know collecting all these quoted everything [TS]

00:17:20   and pointing out just like the Mac App Store is just so neglected and it has [TS]

00:17:26   been since its introduction you know the iOS App Store has its own set of [TS]

00:17:30   problems but the Mac App Store is so much worse in almost every way [TS]

00:17:35   the fact that has a bug you know a certificate that's like one of many [TS]

00:17:41   problems with it that's only the most recent problem with it the application [TS]

00:17:45   itself the Mac App Store application is a disaster [TS]

00:17:48   the the sandboxing issues have pushed out tons of good apps Mac after [TS]

00:17:54   developers I i really feel sorry for the man and if I were launching a Mac App [TS]

00:17:57   I'm not sure I would put their like if you would have asked me a year ago if I [TS]

00:18:01   was on a Mac output in the App Store I'd say yeah probably you know what to do [TS]

00:18:04   with myself distributing it so he appeared in the App Store but today I [TS]

00:18:10   don't think I would it just seems like it's not worth all of the downsides and [TS]

00:18:14   costs it really depends if I was doing a Mac App I would say it really depends on [TS]

00:18:20   what kind of a bad is because if it's a small apt if it's free yepper is an app [TS]

00:18:25   that you think will never be impacted by Sam boxing and you just don't want to [TS]

00:18:29   deal with you no corroborating sparkle and putting up your own [TS]

00:18:32   and point for that and making sure it's up for the updates and doing payment [TS]

00:18:36   processing yourself and although the stuff that you have to do if you did the [TS]

00:18:39   direct sales records say you you don't have an existing channel for direct [TS]

00:18:43   sales esophagus or not established software company or whatever it is [TS]

00:18:46   definitely convenient to use the Mac App Store but if your app in App that that [TS]

00:18:52   wasn't true for even one of those things like could buy a potentially be impacted [TS]

00:18:55   by Sam boxing don't you know don't get the Mac App Store do already have a way [TS]

00:18:58   to accept money from people I don't need to make up store for that they already [TS]

00:19:01   know how to incorporate itself auto update and have a robust framework for [TS]

00:19:05   doing that already have a website that have to keep up with so I can put an end [TS]

00:19:08   point on for updates [TS]

00:19:09   than just you know there's no point if you feel like those things that you know [TS]

00:19:16   I'm not actually mad developers I don't know but part of a part of this whole [TS]

00:19:20   recent round of Mac App Store stuff in the TechNet circles with developers said [TS]

00:19:26   reiterating see guys this is why I'm not in the maggot star and users like the [TS]

00:19:31   dayside thing writing out all the list of all the great Mac apps that are not [TS]

00:19:37   in the Mac App Store like the Mac App Store even though many people think of [TS]

00:19:40   it as the only and best and single place to get back software a lot of the Mac [TS]

00:19:46   software that uses really love love the best Mac software is just not on the Mac [TS]

00:19:51   App Store and obviously that's not true and I West because it's pretty much all [TS]

00:19:54   the software and I was on the App Store so it's always been in a comfortable [TS]

00:19:59   position with the Makassar because there is an alternate we all want there to be [TS]

00:20:03   an alternative that means the Mac App Store actually has to compete in the [TS]

00:20:06   same way that the iTunes Music Store had to compete against piracy the Mac App [TS]

00:20:09   Store has to compete against direct sales and applications that can be more [TS]

00:20:14   powerful and do more powerful things and it's currently losing that competition [TS]

00:20:17   and even as a user everything and everything about the Mac App Store from [TS]

00:20:23   a user perspective has gotten worse over time you know first when he started [TS]

00:20:27   chanting sandboxing you know that not only put out a lot of apps that made us [TS]

00:20:30   home now we have to like exchange our license to go down to the directors and [TS]

00:20:34   everything so that that was a pain for for people who bought in early to the [TS]

00:20:38   App Store and then when simpson came in now like I hate sandbox ABS [TS]

00:20:45   therapy [TS]

00:20:45   from the user side to use the guy I have a couple of one of them is called space [TS]

00:20:50   kremlin it helps like finally earlier just basis and you know it has to read [TS]

00:20:56   your whole hard drive and the convoluted hoops that applicants have to do is [TS]

00:21:02   click this button choose the root folder and every time you gotta like redo it I [TS]

00:21:06   know now it can't look at files that it's such a pain and FM user perspective [TS]

00:21:11   just like sandboxing is I don't understand the Security benefits of it [TS]

00:21:16   but if it's a very rarely used opt in system those are all those are pretty [TS]

00:21:22   limited and I don't think it's worth it as I really don't like the way it is the [TS]

00:21:28   way to Mindanao and it's incredibly you know half-baked and seemingly completely [TS]

00:21:33   neglected way I don't want it as a user has one more thing and Essendon you had [TS]

00:21:38   something like this [TS]

00:21:39   like this receipt validation bug that made all my apps just break all of a [TS]

00:21:44   sudden like that's a big problem this what reason do I have as a user to buy [TS]

00:21:50   more after the Mac App Store after all the problems and and you know things [TS]

00:21:55   getting worse I i don't i don't see a good reason anymore but you stuck out [TS]

00:21:58   there can be no reason like the plate one place you can go for the updates and [TS]

00:22:02   it's easy to buy things there I wish the Mac App Store should also make it easier [TS]

00:22:06   to install but they don't really but beyond that like this all the pros are [TS]

00:22:10   still there but the conscious keep stacking up in the constant go and the [TS]

00:22:14   same boxing thing really like the main problem with that aside from all the [TS]

00:22:17   bugs and all the other things that the poor Mac developers had to complain [TS]

00:22:20   about how you know I was gets better tools for crash reports and debugging [TS]

00:22:24   and betas and testified know those anyway aside from all of that Mac App [TS]

00:22:31   Store sandboxing like ISSN boxing and everyone gets along with it because the [TS]

00:22:35   entire system the entire operating system the entire way of using the phone [TS]

00:22:40   has from the beginning [TS]

00:22:41   been built around the ideas and bison witches you know problems for data [TS]

00:22:44   sharing and silly like URL schemes to get around all these things like still [TS]

00:22:48   has some problems but it fits with the system on the Mac sandboxing flies in [TS]

00:22:52   the face of the entire history of the [TS]

00:22:54   platform and if you put sandboxing in that environment it it doesn't fit like [TS]

00:23:00   if your app happens to fit into a little nice and I think you're fine but this [TS]

00:23:03   whole classes of applications good useful applications that don't fit [TS]

00:23:07   within sandboxing and it's like it's almost like Apple saying we really rich [TS]

00:23:11   really wish that you didn't have to have at like this on your Mac we really [TS]

00:23:15   really wish the Mac was like I was and so they say maybe we make all the Mac [TS]

00:23:19   apps PC and box then the Mac will be just like the iPhone but it's not and so [TS]

00:23:23   like this [TS]

00:23:24   demarco just mentioned you know Sean Reilly disk spaces could have like in [TS]

00:23:31   System Preferences a disk space usage thing that did the same thing that was [TS]

00:23:35   part of the operating system like settings is on and I they could but they [TS]

00:23:39   don't and Mac users do have to manage a story [TS]

00:23:42   storage and automatic because of the way it is it's difficult to tell where all [TS]

00:23:45   that space is going because you have a lot of files and folders and although [TS]

00:23:48   the stuff that again is not usable and I was so there is a place for applications [TS]

00:23:52   that do this type of thing same thing for like dis duplicate things like super [TS]

00:23:56   duper and stuff that's the thing you don't have to do with pounds because [TS]

00:24:00   they've always had like love that the cloud backup now and are you back them [TS]

00:24:04   up the iTunes will just push the problem on your Mac or whatever you going to do [TS]

00:24:06   for the Mac we need a way to back it up and doing descanses a useful thing to do [TS]

00:24:11   and this client software needs to read the entire disk of course and sandboxing [TS]

00:24:17   makes it a pain it can be done but it's a it's a big super pain so you can't [TS]

00:24:23   like you can't make the mac as safe as iOS by merely just sayin applications [TS]

00:24:28   have to be sandbox all you can do is say some applications will be sandbox and [TS]

00:24:33   it's good for them like it is a benefit to the user to have applications that [TS]

00:24:36   can get outside their little pen and that they somehow get exploited or [TS]

00:24:40   broken or there's a bug in them or whatever they can do less damage but [TS]

00:24:44   that other class of applications is never going to go away so long as the [TS]

00:24:47   Mac still is like it is long as the neck is still let you know an old style PC [TS]

00:24:52   operating system so I don't see what they can do about the tension of them to [TS]

00:24:57   you know make a tiered system and say sandboxes you can give you a special [TS]

00:25:02   label and store your sandbox and label if you're not instead they're just [TS]

00:25:06   stubbornly saying everything else [TS]

00:25:07   the sandbox and if you can work in the sandbox we don't want your kind of [TS]

00:25:10   application on our platform and at least the tech-savvy users are saying you may [TS]

00:25:14   not want that kind of application on the platform but I want that location [TS]

00:25:18   because I does useful things for me and so you make it no longer useful like [TS]

00:25:23   you'll never need to close this again because all your data is magically [TS]

00:25:26   backed up using quantum entanglement something great for you make it like iOS [TS]

00:25:30   and you know with no local backup option everything is a cloud backup are you [TS]

00:25:35   gotta give me some way to do all these things that are into something symbols [TS]

00:25:38   BBEdit where the text editor wants to be able to have like a file browser without [TS]

00:25:43   throwing a stupid open save dialog box in your face that you know the power box [TS]

00:25:46   thing to let you convince the system that you're allowed to access these [TS]

00:25:50   files like you know a program-best I'll text editor when you browse the whole [TS]

00:25:54   process is a useful thing to have because the Mac is a system that lets [TS]

00:25:58   you have files and folders and exposed to a file system and you can't deviate [TS]

00:26:00   it is not useful if you can find to like a sandbox like environment all you're [TS]

00:26:05   doing is pushing the noise under the user to do silly things in the UI to [TS]

00:26:09   convince the system that yes please let me be added to the text files no matter [TS]

00:26:13   where they are in need to go you said he would it be nice if if Apple had [TS]

00:26:18   included something like spacecraft later my preferred at daisy dukes have you not [TS]

00:26:23   seen about this Mac and then the storage have which is super useful and is [TS]

00:26:28   telling me that of the three quarters of a terabyte I have fall about half of it [TS]

00:26:33   is either the usage visa denial is not very granular but at the granular on the [TS]

00:26:38   level that I S Works perhaps you don't have direct access to managing the [TS]

00:26:43   storage there it's like all you can do about it is delete an app and all that [TS]

00:26:46   goes with it maybe some apps you can go into the appetite to lead videos or [TS]

00:26:50   whatever you know but the granularity of the information provided by the settings [TS]

00:26:55   thing and iOS matches the granularity of the way you use iOS moralist the grand [TS]

00:27:01   idea the Mac for good or for ill is files and folders you know let me tell [TS]

00:27:06   you how much as music how much as video and how much is a giant yellow bar for [TS]

00:27:09   other [TS]

00:27:10   wonder how comes up with that a is not even a useful as I can be just not the [TS]

00:27:15   way the Mac works I need to know like I use it all the time especially backhand [TS]

00:27:19   before [TS]

00:27:20   upgraded my computer shit 256 gig as a state and I would need to like hunt down [TS]

00:27:25   you know some episode of My Little Pony that I didn't know her daughter [TS]

00:27:29   downloaded iTunes today get out of the iTunes folder and delete the damn thing [TS]

00:27:34   you know and you can do that sometimes some of the night but you know even just [TS]

00:27:37   discovered that many people make that the virtual memory sleep image can push [TS]

00:27:43   you over the years [TS]

00:27:43   your disk space unlimited right because when you get a machine with a lot of RAM [TS]

00:27:47   and a small SSD that really hard questions like do I really need the you [TS]

00:27:53   know the Hibernate functionality justice able to use old South Bend is really [TS]

00:27:57   hope that it doesn't run out of battery was only answer it's really ugly and I [TS]

00:28:02   don't know what I when I saw that one password which just so happened to be [TS]

00:28:06   the first thing that that reared its ugly head when I saw that that was [TS]

00:28:10   broken or well not broken but I saw that have been brought about the Mac App [TS]

00:28:13   Store I realized what was happening very quickly but that was only because I'd [TS]

00:28:18   seen some passing references to it on Twitter RSS what have you if I remember [TS]

00:28:23   right the dialogue though said something like oh this is all broke go free [TS]

00:28:27   download it and it doesn't even spell it says this application is damaged and you [TS]

00:28:32   should move into the trash right exactly and so the solution is free download [TS]

00:28:37   from the Mac App Store the process of doing so they couldn't have made it more [TS]

00:28:43   obtuse and and manual if they tried like that's the thing is that you know I kind [TS]

00:28:49   of know what I'm doing when it comes to using a computer I can't imagine someone [TS]

00:28:53   who doesn't follow this stuff I mean it's not that hard to go to the [TS]

00:28:58   Applications folder and drag it to the trash then go back to Mac App Store but [TS]

00:29:01   that dialogue to your point Marco didn't really make it clear what the correct [TS]

00:29:06   order of operations are corrected tasks was to fix this issue and it's just it [TS]

00:29:13   was like one of you said it was a disaster from top to bottom it was the [TS]

00:29:16   disaster all the way down and and it's a little frustrating that the most Apple [TS]

00:29:22   did was say well you know screwed up but we'll fix it don't worry you know the [TS]

00:29:26   thing is they have all the info [TS]

00:29:28   dialog box they have all the information on the system to fix that in one breast [TS]

00:29:32   if the system things that the application damages should be thrown in [TS]

00:29:35   the trash [TS]

00:29:36   there could be one button that says would you like me to redownload this [TS]

00:29:39   cause I know exactly what it is and I know that you purchased it and I can put [TS]

00:29:43   in the trash and I can be downloaded for you because I know everything about like [TS]

00:29:46   the guineas like that the same thing with uninstall I get the install process [TS]

00:29:49   really is drag it to the trash was not a big honking uninstall button in the Mac [TS]

00:29:54   App Store app so anyway [TS]

00:29:56   a lot of his neglect of just like things they could do and they don't do you [TS]

00:30:00   speak in the collect our tipster in the chatroom insist loudly and has been [TS]

00:30:05   since this time that's happened at this bug about the certificate cashing has [TS]

00:30:09   already been reported there's already a radar for it and it's been around since [TS]

00:30:13   I was 10 10.6 that's uncomfortable and has not been texting again it's tips or [TS]

00:30:18   information so take with a grain of salt but there's not but it's it's the you [TS]

00:30:23   know it feels bad when your platform is not getting attention and various times [TS]

00:30:28   Apple has ignored the Mac and then sell it said that like you know we really [TS]

00:30:33   care about the Mac were paying a lot of attention to end done lots of important [TS]

00:30:36   things to the Mac but they're still areas particularly around the Mac App [TS]

00:30:40   Store especially as it compares to the regular App Store that just feels [TS]

00:30:43   neglected and you know how many people do you think are actually tasked with [TS]

00:30:49   working on this kind of thing that Apple right now [TS]

00:30:52   like you know Apple's teams are always lots more than you think they are and [TS]

00:30:56   apple also has has this cut this very frequent habit that from what I hear is [TS]

00:31:02   is worse than ever [TS]

00:31:03   where engineers get pulled off with things all the time to go work on some [TS]

00:31:08   new projects need more engineering resources that is a newer thing or more [TS]

00:31:13   important to the current direction of the company or current business goals so [TS]

00:31:17   people can move around the time and there is usually you know either nobody [TS]

00:31:22   left working on boring stuff at the Mac App Store or a surprisingly small staff [TS]

00:31:26   like it might be like a handful of people doing some things have like one [TS]

00:31:31   person working on me know it's so a bug like that like it's it's not that like [TS]

00:31:37   the Mac App Store staff just didn't [TS]

00:31:39   you know is so big that they were it's more likely that almost no one's working [TS]

00:31:44   on this and that like an Apple keeps having problems like this where the [TS]

00:31:49   boring old stuff gets these kinda like either gets ignored forever and bugs [TS]

00:31:55   like this around four years or he gets like these drive-by updates like [TS]

00:32:01   somebody comes in [TS]

00:32:02   it's all things like Discovery Day is a perfect example of this but we hear the [TS]

00:32:06   El Cap USB stack might be something like this [TS]

00:32:09   certainly we're hearing that the account Disk Utility is probably something like [TS]

00:32:13   this where it's kind of a drive by update where somebody is finally allowed [TS]

00:32:19   to work on it and told to like you know revamping cleaning up a rewrite it or [TS]

00:32:22   something and you get like one pass it and what comes out is like 75% [TS]

00:32:28   functional and then that person is gone incentive to work on something else and [TS]

00:32:33   it like this this is not the recipe for quality at all it's the complete [TS]

00:32:39   opposite of what you should be doing and it is not even an efficient way to run [TS]

00:32:42   an engineering organization Michigan some of the hundred developers Instagram [TS]

00:32:47   who don't have time to make an iPad up for Twitter cut itself which is set for [TS]

00:32:52   all the people lost their jobs but they had and still do have a very large [TS]

00:32:56   number of people i mean to some degree I can kind of explain what we're never [TS]

00:33:00   understand that they've got a server-side components everyone everyone [TS]

00:33:03   throws a big developer numbers of these companies they envision all these people [TS]

00:33:06   working on the iOS app when Shirley perhaps the majority of them are working [TS]

00:33:10   on backend stuff but the number of developers in these large BC funded [TS]

00:33:15   companies hire lots of really smart people to work on one or two flagship [TS]

00:33:21   mobile applications and then you compare them to the like one or two person [TS]

00:33:28   independent shops writing competing third-party applications like how how [TS]

00:33:34   his Twitter have literally 100 iOS developers making their their iOS [TS]

00:33:42   Twitter client [TS]

00:33:43   terrific has two people and you look at the two applications and you think their [TS]

00:33:49   peers like they seem about the same [TS]

00:33:51   right one of them is made by the company that makes the thing and it made by two [TS]

00:33:55   guys and so I just a middleman month at a certain point adding more people [TS]

00:33:59   doesn't help and then you know this committee syndrome and people are you [TS]

00:34:03   know you can actually make any changes whitewater to its credit has been saying [TS]

00:34:07   that they're trying to you know become more efficient or whatever but Apple [TS]

00:34:10   seems to have the opposite problem we're like Marco said every story we hear is [TS]

00:34:14   you know there's actually one guy who's responsible for these three applications [TS]

00:34:18   and to give her release he does to minor updates each one fix some bugs and [TS]

00:34:22   that's about it you know [TS]

00:34:24   Crashers first and everything else at this time and there's gotta be something [TS]

00:34:28   in the middle there where you have a reasonable number of people empowered to [TS]

00:34:32   make good decisions to not just make a product but to continue to make it [TS]

00:34:39   better [TS]

00:34:40   year after year after year like the hard way teams surely it's not like they took [TS]

00:34:43   the you know the iPhone for a center said every year let's make my time do [TS]

00:34:48   anything except for to fix a broken home button right now to make a whole new [TS]

00:34:51   phone and they go you know the hardware gets better and better and better [TS]

00:34:55   the software depending on what it is can spend years without really moving inside [TS]

00:35:00   yet the Mac does have a lot of applications and some don't really [TS]

00:35:04   change much year after year even when we feel like they should like maybe it's ok [TS]

00:35:10   the terminal application doesn't change dramatically from year to year but the [TS]

00:35:13   Mac App Store that everyone agrees has all these problems should really be [TS]

00:35:18   getting more attention on Xbox of this week is mail route mail route really [TS]

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00:36:20   problems with them and the performance of the city of their spam filtering is [TS]

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00:36:29   server-side rules most email hosts including fast mail have lots of spam [TS]

00:36:34   filtering options on server side you can do it made them can get quite [TS]

00:36:37   sophisticated honestly but even they were never as good as when I get from [TS]

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00:37:33   ok so the long national nightmare is over you have acquired an apple pencil I [TS]

00:37:41   have yes we have the iPad pro and we have the front smart cover only cause I [TS]

00:37:49   couldn't i couldn't bring myself to spend $140 to cover the back as well [TS]

00:37:56   could face up to $400 buying a pencil so we now have iPad pro and the Apple [TS]

00:38:06   pencil and I love using the iPad Apple pencil however I am not much of an [TS]

00:38:12   artist I wish I had more reasons to use it [TS]

00:38:15   fortunately my wife is an artist and does use it and she's had a lot of [TS]

00:38:20   experience with it so please welcome on the show our return guests Tiffany are [TS]

00:38:26   meant I'm not an artist a dabbler [TS]

00:38:30   the artist formerly known as to assure you you're much better artist than I and [TS]

00:38:36   i know john has doubled in the past as well as I won't speak for him on that [TS]

00:38:39   one [TS]

00:38:39   certainly better than me and I think it's safe to say better than Marco so [TS]

00:38:44   your ears we got for now anyway I don't know Marquez drawings are pretty amazing [TS]

00:38:48   like his stick figures are killer Casey two-caliber gonna say given randall [TS]

00:38:54   Munroe a run for his money not that good you made that awesome little decaf sign [TS]

00:38:59   with that said coffee mug that was super funny I can occasionally make it one [TS]

00:39:03   decent dry I love his drawings I think we have to get rid of the idea that you [TS]

00:39:08   have to you have to pass some skill threshold to have a reason to use any [TS]

00:39:13   sort of artistic employment I agree no matter what it is that you're doing it [TS]

00:39:17   there's not like nothing bad will happen to you if you quote unquote can't draw [TS]

00:39:22   and you start dealing with the style like we all do it all again the margins [TS]

00:39:27   are no books and everything just if it's fun to do and you find it relaxing and [TS]

00:39:31   meditated like I'm sure someone to have an incredible make the adult coloring [TS]

00:39:34   book application for the iPad and it'll get it she will love it and I know there [TS]

00:39:39   is no like you don't have to I know Marcos looking for something useful [TS]

00:39:43   productive but if it's relaxing and fun to do you can try to meet you actually [TS]

00:39:47   have any interest you can get better at it by practicing and learning about it I [TS]

00:39:52   guess just like any other skill that I for the longest time I didn't even start [TS]

00:39:55   doing anything because I was afraid to be bad and everyone's bad at first [TS]

00:39:59   though it was kind of a stupid fear but that's a kept me from even trying to [TS]

00:40:02   draw anything ever and so recently I decided you know I'm like 32 years old [TS]

00:40:07   I'm tired of being afraid of being bad [TS]

00:40:09   mad at something that I don't even know how to do this by the way listen to this [TS]

00:40:15   week's back to work which is basically entirely on that topic it's really [TS]

00:40:18   alright alright pencils that I've already broken I was about to say he [TS]

00:40:24   took the words right out of my mouth so how long did the pencil last from from [TS]

00:40:28   the time you had opened the cover of the box to its actually initial breakage [TS]

00:40:33   about five seconds literally like I opened the box and I was looking at the [TS]

00:40:37   little card cause this comes at this card that also has inserts in it which [TS]

00:40:41   is on top of the pencil so I open that up in first I was pulling out what the [TS]

00:40:46   card was the box flipped over the pencil fell out of the box it fell unto our [TS]

00:40:51   floor and it the cap popped off this little silver ring popped off the cap in [TS]

00:40:56   their pieces everywhere so but it turned out that functional it's just the body [TS]

00:41:02   of it was broken as a fair to say well the little tiny cap has this little tiny [TS]

00:41:06   silver ring that goes inside of it and it seems to be held on by nothing but [TS]

00:41:11   like a dot of glue so it just probably fell the worst way possible because not [TS]

00:41:16   very tight in the case and in the box when it comes so it just kind of flipped [TS]

00:41:21   out in that little tiny ring popped up in the market has since super glued it [TS]

00:41:25   back on and but I know it still feels funny to me I mean the Holst the whole [TS]

00:41:30   pencil even with the ring in place the cap is not really fit tightly they came [TS]

00:41:36   in so many ways this pencil was like not designed for practicality which is a [TS]

00:41:41   shame because it feels really good I can use it it works incredibly well as we [TS]

00:41:45   get to but you know I expressed concern earlier even when they when they first [TS]

00:41:50   announced it that like there was there's nowhere to put it for one thing because [TS]

00:41:53   no way to attach it to your put it into any kind of cover for the iPad that [TS]

00:41:59   exists so far which is so frustrating because where else you can use this [TS]

00:42:03   pencil nowhere nowhere else is essential to be used anywhere besides with this [TS]

00:42:08   MacBook Pro so why not attach it you crazy people right and and so and the [TS]

00:42:14   cap so if you want to charge this thing you know we also expressed concern when [TS]

00:42:18   they first showed the soft two months ago whenever we also expressed concern [TS]

00:42:21   that [TS]

00:42:22   that you put it in the end of the end you put in the lightning port that is [TS]

00:42:26   just asking to be broken off that is so precarious and looks weird first of all [TS]

00:42:31   but just so ridiculous and and it seems like possibly last minute they added [TS]

00:42:36   this like this double female lightning adapter that's in the box you can you [TS]

00:42:42   can use it to reverse the orientation Attorney General lightning plug on it so [TS]

00:42:46   that you can charge it from a lightning cable which is way more scene and I [TS]

00:42:51   understand why they did it whatever you can't remember if you only have the iPad [TS]

00:42:56   in the pencil with you and you need a quick charge you can get one quickly [TS]

00:42:59   just from the iPad it's nice to have that ability I guess but that also [TS]

00:43:04   should be the primary charge it and so I get that last second and it isn't the [TS]

00:43:10   problem is when you're charging it if you plug it in like yo overnight [TS]

00:43:13   sometime if you're charging it when you put the cap you can magnetically [TS]

00:43:17   attached the cap to the one of the smarter and smarter than them you can [TS]

00:43:21   stick the little captain its kind of wobbly really is designed to be in [TS]

00:43:28   Johnny Ives white world and it and like it doesn't it doesn't seem like it [TS]

00:43:34   rolled around in the way he won't find it so you don't have to worry about [TS]

00:43:37   rolling off the desk is it is weightless off a desk but it is it seemed like it [TS]

00:43:42   just made at every opportunity to break or get lost in like even when it's in [TS]

00:43:47   the iPad to charge it had it lightning connector is extra long and it fits [TS]

00:43:54   fairly loosely [TS]

00:43:55   like it's just everything about it is like loose and just waiting to either [TS]

00:43:58   break or get lost while the Cabaret almost went into the vacuum and the rate [TS]

00:44:03   of the air conditioner vent our house about two hours after I broke its I'm [TS]

00:44:09   doing really great right now so I'm hearing a since they're so plentiful you [TS]

00:44:14   should just just jumped on down to the local Apple store and get a couple of [TS]

00:44:18   backups because nobody's looking to buy a dozen and keep them in a big jar so [TS]

00:44:23   you lose one pencil box like ran i mean they're cheap they're plentiful no no [TS]

00:44:29   problems they're gonna sell so many things because people if you if you [TS]

00:44:32   actually use it regularly [TS]

00:44:34   I would guess you have to buy a new and probably once a year so so you know at [TS]

00:44:39   least maybe even more depending on how careless you are a few things are you [TS]

00:44:42   know if you lose things lot like you couldn't have designed to be to be less [TS]

00:44:48   practical for like forgetfulness or clumsiness if that makes sense I'm not [TS]

00:44:54   that clumsy or I never lose things I know where everything is in the house [TS]

00:44:57   down to like the little tiny piece of anything I know where it is and losing I [TS]

00:45:02   can't believe how I comedy of errors happened yesterday when we got ahold of [TS]

00:45:07   ya so like we actually so I I had pre-ordered where i read online that has [TS]

00:45:13   it has a ship date of like mid December and I wanted soon as I kept like you [TS]

00:45:17   know going into the stores until they had it and then I got I was able to get [TS]

00:45:20   there but I'm not gonna cancel that pre-order for the for the one I think we [TS]

00:45:26   need a spare and is it gonna be good to use have been buzzing find out if you [TS]

00:45:30   can draw on the screen with two pencils once thats Wow alright soon now that you [TS]

00:45:37   have a slightly damaged but otherwise functional pencil what is it like to use [TS]

00:45:45   and if you wouldn't mind can you set the stage as to describe you know what you [TS]

00:45:49   would normally do that's artistic with a pen or pencil you know where you are you [TS]

00:45:54   drawing your own Rembrandt's or you just drawing stick figures I presume it [TS]

00:45:58   somewhere in between [TS]

00:45:59   well never gonna like sketching which i think the pencil I feel like it really [TS]

00:46:04   excels at it from you know actually developed a new signature if anyone has [TS]

00:46:08   seen it on Twitter recently which is what I decided to do first with my [TS]

00:46:11   pencil is the most important thing develop your signature for your iPad are [TS]

00:46:15   you writing checks from you if it's like naming your band in high school before [TS]

00:46:20   you actually like practiced once forgotten to get my arm and i got my [TS]

00:46:26   names that was actually really fun to do on the pencil and it from what I've [TS]

00:46:30   tested three programs now and that whatever it is it's really depending on [TS]

00:46:34   the program and your level of skill with using these type of programs on how [TS]

00:46:38   great the pencil fields I do allow watercolor in real life not digitally [TS]

00:46:44   and so trying to [TS]

00:46:46   to replicate that in a lot of programs as a little bit iffy obviously because [TS]

00:46:50   you have you know you're dealing with like ink flowing and and pigment in the [TS]

00:46:55   water and dilution and transparency so that's a little tricky but the pencil [TS]

00:47:02   actually makes it really fun to play with on the iPad and with some medium [TS]

00:47:09   like trying to replicate a medium that's more solid the pencil really really [TS]

00:47:15   excels in it feels extremely fluid it doesn't detect your hand at all which is [TS]

00:47:20   really amazing and when you say it doesn't take your hand you mean if your [TS]

00:47:25   hand is on there it's not also drawing it smart enough to throw away the hand [TS]

00:47:30   portion yet [TS]

00:47:31   yeah it will detective fingertip if you accidentally remove a fingertip around [TS]

00:47:36   but with most of these programs as you know like a race and backs though it's [TS]

00:47:40   not like a ruining anything but with the palm detection is really like you can [TS]

00:47:45   rest your hand on the iPad pro and draw and it doesn't it doesn't detect it [TS]

00:47:51   doesn't smear anything it as a you know digitally smear under no mere so [TS]

00:47:55   something else I don't know I'm from the island so you should I do I think it's [TS]

00:48:07   really really enjoyable and so far I've done a number of sketches with it and I [TS]

00:48:12   keep wanting to do more I almost fell asleep last night [TS]

00:48:15   cradled next to me intimate but yeah I'm really enjoying it [TS]

00:48:21   COO of the city views with it what would you say is your favorite and corollary [TS]

00:48:27   to that is that the best app for the pencil or do you just like the [TS]

00:48:33   experience with that app the most well-marked petunia ones on today and [TS]

00:48:38   before that I was using Adobe's sketches that would I was using and then today [TS]

00:48:42   you put on what did you put on a pro bono procreate and Jesus Japanese name [TS]

00:48:48   that I forgot of another very popular schedule [TS]

00:48:52   anyway so I was just recently just trying with those just before the show [TS]

00:48:58   and they have more of a learning curve I think because they're really involved [TS]

00:49:04   for artists that know what they're doing the Adobe sketch one was pretty easy to [TS]

00:49:10   master right away [TS]

00:49:13   being a newbie using the pencil newbie to art you felt like you were [TS]

00:49:17   accomplishing a real work you know like you not just a little sketch that you're [TS]

00:49:23   going to delete it doesn't matter if you really felt like you could do it the [TS]

00:49:26   other ones they have so many changes and buttons inflows and this and that the [TS]

00:49:32   interface is a little bit trickier to navigate if you don't know what you're [TS]

00:49:36   doing but I feel like that those other programs are the programs that you would [TS]

00:49:40   move onto after you kind of mastered how to manipulate the pencil with different [TS]

00:49:47   mediums that are available and a lot of these programs and the name I was [TS]

00:49:51   forgetting before it was a tie a tie Suu sketches I actually went to the Apple [TS]

00:49:56   store this past weekend and spent maybe a minute may have two minutes using the [TS]

00:50:01   pencil I did ask one of the employees if they had any in stock and they basically [TS]

00:50:08   left my face I mean they were much nicer about it and that that that was the [TS]

00:50:11   message was he had now but I did play with briefly I only used the notes out [TS]

00:50:17   and again I'm no artist but I thought it was cool I thought the tilting the [TS]

00:50:21   pencil on its side the lake shade was kind of neat but I don't know why but [TS]

00:50:26   the thing that blew my freaking mind was when I got the Notes app out and I and I [TS]

00:50:32   put on the the on-screen ruler have you played with the staff no I haven't so in [TS]

00:50:37   the Notes app you can bring up in on-screen ruler ended behaves like you [TS]

00:50:42   have a ruler on the page it's not perfect because there's no physical [TS]

00:50:46   barrier to keep you from you know flinging the pencil across your iPad but [TS]

00:50:50   it does oh really darn good mimic of water rulers like it it's so stupid and [TS]

00:50:57   I know why found that some press it [TS]

00:50:59   but I just thought it was really really really cool see you mean I keep the line [TS]

00:51:03   straight correct right so you can draw up against the ruler and have a [TS]

00:51:07   perfectly straight line and you can you know spin the ruler round as he spent a [TS]

00:51:10   total of it shows what angle it's at and it was just very very neat I don't know [TS]

00:51:15   why I personally would ever need to do that but I just thought it was so well [TS]

00:51:20   implemented and so well done I also went to the store recently got to play with [TS]

00:51:24   the pencil I was the first thing I was struck by was in the Apple Store the [TS]

00:51:28   pencils not hatch for things like it's not attached with the little bankers you [TS]

00:51:32   know little metal beaded chain thing it is just loose in a little creative thing [TS]

00:51:36   is I have to imagine those things are walking out the door like crazy at Apple [TS]

00:51:39   especially when they are rare but anyway I did get to try it [TS]

00:51:44   although the first thing that confuses me with a conveyor why wasn't working to [TS]

00:51:47   do is paired with the one like they had the pencil in the middle of two iPad [TS]

00:51:50   pros it was paired with the other ones I just plugged into my thing and repair it [TS]

00:51:54   was just nice that feature that repairing feature is cool and comes in [TS]

00:51:57   handy to know the stupid Bluetooth thing to parents using it I experienced things [TS]

00:52:03   we talked about a Pashos varies widely my appt some of them are slow some of [TS]

00:52:07   them are fast the Notes app was the fastest one that I tried because they [TS]

00:52:10   had a bunch of different apps installed on it it was fun it was interesting to [TS]

00:52:14   note that the pencil tool that's both look like a pencil to keep saying like [TS]

00:52:18   oh you can tell to do shading and stuff like that that is the one part of the [TS]

00:52:21   notice that that felt the least like real media to me and my my biases that I [TS]

00:52:26   have habits in my you know my hands and you know my mind and my body from using [TS]

00:52:34   real pencils and stuff for many many years when I was a kid and every time I [TS]

00:52:39   use anything that involves like drawing on a tablet screen or whatever it's [TS]

00:52:44   almost as if it was farther away from the real thing out few more comfortable [TS]

00:52:47   because then I wouldn't be trying to use the the you know the the motions and [TS]

00:52:52   gestures that I'm used to from the real physical world of art media but the [TS]

00:52:57   pencils close enough to real media that I expected to look work more like a [TS]

00:53:00   pencil and that still shaking thing just does not work anything like an actual [TS]

00:53:05   pencil and so I was continually frustrated by the fact that I had to [TS]

00:53:09   stop myself from do [TS]

00:53:10   I would do with an actual pencil and start doing with this pencil demands in [TS]

00:53:13   particular I found that a lot of the ones that I draw I draw with the pencil [TS]

00:53:18   tilted at such an angle that the accelerometers in the pencil think I [TS]

00:53:21   want to do shading but in reality but the real physical pencil on paper I'm [TS]

00:53:25   still just using the tape and I find that very frustrating and maybe have to [TS]

00:53:28   change how I was doing everything to be more directly into the into the screen [TS]

00:53:33   to make sure it doesn't then line if I could disable the shaving thing or [TS]

00:53:38   change like the ratio but don't even start shaving thing until I'm super [TS]

00:53:41   tilted over yeah that really bother me a lot but that's just that I think that is [TS]

00:53:46   more of a barrier of like people who are good at using computers to draw it is [TS]

00:53:51   actually I think it'd be different enough skill from people are going to [TS]

00:53:54   using you know pencils or pens or paints or any other me like the media really [TS]

00:53:58   think that you're using the medium really does change how you think so if I [TS]

00:54:02   got one of these and I was actually using it to draw I think I would have to [TS]

00:54:06   have a learning curve to learn how to use this tool to draw in the same way [TS]

00:54:10   that you learn how to use in the leg while pastels vs oil paid Services [TS]

00:54:13   acrylics or anything like that but bottom line is I feel like this could [TS]

00:54:17   this could could be used to very easily be used by someone to do their work as [TS]

00:54:24   an artist because it is so close to in terms of responsiveness you know the [TS]

00:54:29   real pencil it so much closer than all the things I've used in the past I have [TS]

00:54:33   heard from actual artist even the people are using the top of the line current [TS]

00:54:37   generation tablet type things that it's pretty good at either better than or at [TS]

00:54:41   least as good as the existing tablet technology so good job for Apple and its [TS]

00:54:45   first try [TS]

00:54:46   alright its first right not counting the new and once again for new number desk [TS]

00:54:50   you feel bad when I say this first try not to noon doing really good pen input [TS]

00:54:56   for us but it also depends [TS]

00:54:58   the pencil feels really nice like it doesn't cramp your hand while you're [TS]

00:55:02   using it which is great it is very comfortable and before when I was using [TS]

00:55:06   the iPad pro I felt the weight of the iPad perot all the time without the [TS]

00:55:12   pencil so I was sitting with a we are watching movies I tried to read with it [TS]

00:55:18   some people think that that's awesome [TS]

00:55:20   the reading experience is really great I found it [TS]

00:55:22   it awful on the iPad pro it is way too big but when I was getting with the [TS]

00:55:28   pencil I the way it just kind of disappeared and I kind of didn't notice [TS]

00:55:32   it and it felt so natural and great to have this really big screen so my [TS]

00:55:38   experience with the iPad throw itself without the pencil was a disaster and I [TS]

00:55:42   i kno wasn't sure I even wanted it to keep it and I didn't I played with it [TS]

00:55:47   for a few hours and then I kinda left it on the table you know I didn't I wasn't [TS]

00:55:51   interested in using it any further than that because it felt just too heavy too [TS]

00:55:55   big too much stuff going on or too little stuff with the home screen icon I [TS]

00:55:59   end but as soon as I got the pencil it has been in my lap every free moment [TS]

00:56:04   that I can possibly find do not subscribe to any magazines like the [TS]

00:56:09   digital or otherwise I think magazines like you know I don't know I was [TS]

00:56:12   described to Martha Stewart's magazine actually but she filled it all up with [TS]

00:56:17   ads like her real magazine and now it's horrible to read and the ads move on the [TS]

00:56:21   digital ones though it was worth it that's a no I don't I tried to read some [TS]

00:56:26   did some didn't really slow so I tend to prefer the paper ones my wife read some [TS]

00:56:32   magazines on her iPad she still thinks you are many to get a full size one and [TS]

00:56:38   I can imagine the best application as I'd like comic books like that for a big [TS]

00:56:43   gigantic iPad would be magazines with big big illustrations or photos like a [TS]

00:56:49   photography magazine nature magazine fashion magazine a car magazine like I [TS]

00:56:54   could see those being amazing but I mean when I read romance novels I really [TS]

00:56:58   don't want that very large and visible to everyone in the way you can think [TS]

00:57:04   about it for the iPad Pro for reading is if you would [TS]

00:57:09   could imagine yourself comfortably reading a paper book of that size is [TS]

00:57:15   great for the soul of the magazines that paper magazines are especially the very [TS]

00:57:19   large ones like magazine before they get made it crappy but anyway you know I [TS]

00:57:23   don't have big bogus these days but there are magazines that are very large [TS]

00:57:26   and it's a sure I can do that but novels are paper books paperback size usually [TS]

00:57:31   even hardcovers [TS]

00:57:32   are not as big as the iPad pro in most cases most of paperbacks that I myself [TS]

00:57:37   even the biggest ones I have up here are more or less for iPad air two sides not [TS]

00:57:42   iPad process so it is a little over sized but others have last week the [TS]

00:57:47   whole ideas maybe not for reading novels or anything you can have other stuff on [TS]

00:57:51   the screen at the same time so you can bounce back and forth between Twitter [TS]

00:57:54   and flipping through the latest issue of you know car driver or whatever and [TS]

00:57:59   that's the general theme that that we found so far the iPad perot is like it's [TS]

00:58:04   really good for certain things but that is it doesn't overlap completely with [TS]

00:58:09   what the smaller iPads are really good at like you would think that that the [TS]

00:58:13   what that what the iPad probe agree that would be a strict superset and where it [TS]

00:58:19   would include everything the small ones are good at plus also some new stuff and [TS]

00:58:23   I don't that's actually the case and that's ok you know it in the same way [TS]

00:58:27   that like a 17 inch MacBook Pro may rest in peace is not great at everything you [TS]

00:58:33   want a laptop to be too to be four you know if you want to be using it on a [TS]

00:58:37   plane or if you want to carry it around the time 17 inch MacBook Pro is not that [TS]

00:58:41   great for that that doesn't mean that the entire MacBook Pro line has to be [TS]

00:58:45   small thin and light you know so now we're reaching the point with the iPad [TS]

00:58:50   lineup that it has substantial differentiation between the models now [TS]

00:58:55   and that's okay you can't just be sure that if you like one of the iPad's you [TS]

00:59:01   can't be sure that the next one up will be better in every way for you to if if [TS]

00:59:07   you work to do to your parents house for a few days would you bring it with you a [TS]

00:59:15   really good question probably not because I don't have time to sit and get [TS]

00:59:23   or draw or paint anything so I never brought my painting supplies there even [TS]

00:59:28   though I have travel ones so probably not but I would bring my regular size [TS]

00:59:35   iPad because sometimes I do like to read when I'm [TS]

00:59:38   they're like during naps their evening or out of town but so so no probably [TS]

00:59:44   wouldn't because this really pick two and the internet connections of the [TS]

00:59:48   great I'm assuming since you wouldn't bring it to mom and dads that you [TS]

00:59:53   probably wouldn't bring it on like a trip or something like that like let's [TS]

00:59:56   say you know tested as European delivery which I understand makes no sense and [TS]

01:00:02   you guys maybe all of us go again would you bring this on that sort of a trip [TS]

01:00:08   now I wouldn't I wouldn't because I'm not a digital artist I'm just now [TS]

01:00:12   learning and getting interested in trying to do it because it is just like [TS]

01:00:16   john was saying it's very different holding a stylist to a screen and trying [TS]

01:00:21   to get it to mimic [TS]

01:00:23   moving or a brush with bristles that are dynamic and move-in swirl translating [TS]

01:00:29   that if they if that's what you want to do is you want to paint something [TS]

01:00:33   satisfying that doesn't happen on the iPad but if you want to do something [TS]

01:00:38   create a digital piece of art which I find is is just like another medium [TS]

01:00:43   until you know yet paint you have pencil you have digital are like it's just [TS]

01:00:46   another way to do it and there is another set of skills that you need to [TS]

01:00:50   learn and develop so if I got into that then yeah I would see myself carrying [TS]

01:00:55   this with me to accomplish that task if I want to create a digital Journal of a [TS]

01:01:01   trip I was going on but as of right now no because I'm just not enough I'm not [TS]

01:01:07   skilled enough but I can definitely see a place for it for other people but for [TS]

01:01:11   me it's it's just too big a digital journals like that that is a thing that [TS]

01:01:16   people should aspire to make the iPad probe into a good tool for alleged terms [TS]

01:01:22   of people some people do this as a people don't like to like a while you're [TS]

01:01:25   on the trip so you're going on a trip to Europe while you there at like at the [TS]

01:01:28   end of each day that you take the photos off your camera put them right into your [TS]

01:01:33   iPad 4 with the USB port that will talk about it a little bit maybe use the [TS]

01:01:38   various applications available on the iPad pro to compose it a cool in a web [TS]

01:01:43   page or slide show or a movie or something you can share with everybody [TS]

01:01:46   else in at the end of each day you would send out to your family or whoever is [TS]

01:01:49   interested [TS]

01:01:49   here's how are you know second day in italy was right or just even just to be [TS]

01:01:54   working on it so that by the time you come home from the trip you have [TS]

01:01:56   everything sort of assembled together into whatever form that you decide you [TS]

01:02:00   want to share your trip with a series of pictures or a slide show or a movie or a [TS]

01:02:04   web page with a bunch of pictures and blog post all the type of things that we [TS]

01:02:08   all know that we can do with computers and websites a lot of I think the [TS]

01:02:13   existing image of the iPad in most people's mind and then the reality for [TS]

01:02:17   most people other than maybe she is that the best way to synthesize all these [TS]

01:02:23   different things [TS]

01:02:24   photos video text web stuff you know [TS]

01:02:28   emailing people compiling all that information [TS]

01:02:31   the best way to do that is still on a Mac and I see no reason the iPad pro [TS]

01:02:36   can't be as good or better at almost all those things especially with the stylist [TS]

01:02:40   in but if you want to add take pictures like a magic arranging pictures in a lot [TS]

01:02:44   like an application let you sort of vilification album where you could hand [TS]

01:02:47   right underneath the things little captions in the more personal if you see [TS]

01:02:51   me running than typing in captions for things and being able to touch things [TS]

01:02:56   and drag things around as if they were actually photos in a real scrapbooking [TS]

01:02:59   stuff they had pro- be perfect for that but that it that's only promise at this [TS]

01:03:04   point I'm sure their applications that do this but like bringing it all [TS]

01:03:07   together [TS]

01:03:08   touch stylus photography importing multiple applications working on a [TS]

01:03:13   single thing and then sharing out everybody I don't think we're there yet [TS]

01:03:16   but I totally think we could be an iPad pro would be the perfect device for that [TS]

01:03:21   the others do doubt that the iPad Pro will make that experience way better for [TS]

01:03:25   everyone anyone who really likes doing that is already kind of doing that on a [TS]

01:03:30   laptop so you I feel like the people who are committed to doing that kind of [TS]

01:03:35   thing that work on the go vacation journaling or you know scrapbooking and [TS]

01:03:42   sending it out to family it's going to open up to a lot more people with the [TS]

01:03:46   iPad because it becomes way more accessible but it's again it's another [TS]

01:03:49   thing you have to be into doing I felt you know for me in the end of you know [TS]

01:03:56   in the evening the stuff when I'm on vacation and doing stuff I kind of just [TS]

01:03:59   want to read Twitter put my own photo on Instagram [TS]

01:04:03   move on you know like committing to all of that work while on vacation I think [TS]

01:04:08   takes a certain type of person and that person that's going to really grab hold [TS]

01:04:12   of this kind of device and run with it the best kind of technology actually [TS]

01:04:18   changes habits little bit so a lot of us for not having people who made family [TS]

01:04:23   movies of anything but when I movie came out and it made it simple and fun to [TS]

01:04:29   make a quick little movie even in turn downtown me how about a movie is not [TS]

01:04:33   simple and it is not find every christmas is like iMovie stress how in [TS]

01:04:40   this household I make a Christmas movie every year with a stop motion video of [TS]

01:04:44   us unwrapping gifts and stuff and it is held every time and am also very upset [TS]

01:04:49   that there aren't any new themes ever ever ever ever get my point is that that [TS]

01:04:54   those applications down applications made people who would never even [TS]

01:04:57   consider doing that [TS]

01:04:59   tried at least once a whole bunch of people tried it and we're more or less [TS]

01:05:03   successful and some percentage ratio 50% or whatever people who did not suddenly [TS]

01:05:08   become people who make videos for every occasion their life but they did it [TS]

01:05:11   maybe once maybe twice right because the application suddenly made it possible it [TS]

01:05:16   wasn't like well I can't make a video of my family all I can do is shoot the [TS]

01:05:21   video record to my little you know VHS are many TV or whatever and then we can [TS]

01:05:26   all watch it from start to end its interminable but I'm never gonna edit [TS]

01:05:28   this video is another video editor and the early days of the iLife suite made [TS]

01:05:33   it so that regular people who are never considered his video editors suddenly [TS]

01:05:37   had a tool in their house that they could use to edit a little video and try [TS]

01:05:40   to find it really difficult and you make crappy videos but it did it once to [TS]

01:05:43   twice and I feel like the iPad perot would stop putting everything could take [TS]

01:05:48   people who would never in a million years go through all the work to do it [TS]

01:05:51   on a laptop and know how to synthesize all that stuff and make it that there's [TS]

01:05:54   one or two good applications the iPad robust our support maybe someone who [TS]

01:05:58   isn't one of those people who makes at the end of every vacation day brings [TS]

01:06:02   their I pepper with them and tried it once and sends out a nice things like [TS]

01:06:05   that so I'm talking about I could sit small stakes but technology can [TS]

01:06:09   sort of like lower the barrier to entry to the point where people who are never [TS]

01:06:14   going to be serious about it still will like dabble for a second or two and find [TS]

01:06:19   out yet there still isn't for me but had me this cool thing out of it and that's [TS]

01:06:22   exactly how I feel now about the digital art before I never even considered ever [TS]

01:06:27   ever ever trying to do anything digital and because this thing kind of appeared [TS]

01:06:32   and Marco buys everything so it things appear it peaked my interest into trying [TS]

01:06:41   this meaning that I've never would have tried before because I'm not gonna go [TS]

01:06:45   out and purchase the tablet and purchased you know even though I do have [TS]

01:06:49   a table we have one of those guys we have everything but we've had a Wacom [TS]

01:06:52   tablet sitting in the closet for about five years I try to do anything it was [TS]

01:06:56   awful so for me but I'm not gonna go out and get a program and learn it but with [TS]

01:07:02   this it just feels so accessible and attainable to learn how to do at least a [TS]

01:07:08   base level of of this kind of thing so I Pad Pro ultimate at home iPad yes at [TS]

01:07:16   home might add me I would even say also like you know it's a little bit this [TS]

01:07:20   last week to Buddha my my father time playing with that just reinforces this I [TS]

01:07:25   think it's the kind of thing where if you were already using an iPad for [TS]

01:07:30   productivity kind of work then this will probably be even better for you you know [TS]

01:07:36   if you if you are already doing like email and documents and spreadsheets and [TS]

01:07:40   and stuff like that in on an iPad before then this will probably be an [TS]

01:07:45   improvement but it is it is it is kind of like a laptop in that way like it if [TS]

01:07:51   it has replaced your laptop or you know or if it is almost replace your laptop [TS]

01:07:56   already before you had an iPad pro then yes this is probably the device for you [TS]

01:08:01   or if you have some of these like you know nice creative uses if you plan to [TS]

01:08:06   use the pencil if if you could make use of such a thing [TS]

01:08:09   this is also gonna be amazing for you if you are currently using an iPad with a [TS]

01:08:14   keyboard and you want a better larger keyboard this will probably meeting for [TS]

01:08:18   you as well we haven't we don't have the keyboard so we can really say how good [TS]

01:08:21   they are many people [TS]

01:08:22   already but if you if you're using your iPad primarily for content consumption [TS]

01:08:28   or if you're like me and you can't quite figure out when to use your iPad for the [TS]

01:08:34   most part then it's more of a mixed bag it's it's not a guarantee this will be [TS]

01:08:38   better for you and it isn't a guarantee that that you would date you would be [TS]

01:08:42   happy with it you got it so that is still up in the air but I will say that [TS]

01:08:46   for the things that is good at like that pen input it is it is so good that like [TS]

01:08:52   for me as as a long time [TS]

01:08:54   iPad skeptic and just kind of not having much use for my iPad's I want a reason [TS]

01:08:59   to use it I i actually and motivated to try to use it and it really into it [TS]

01:09:03   because using the pencil is just so damn fun I won't ask that to Casey because if [TS]

01:09:10   you're if you're the guy here who says he does not do art stuff right and I [TS]

01:09:14   cracked John does a little bit I know market is a little bit he's a liar and a [TS]

01:09:21   no idea but for you does this entry cue to start possibly playing around and [TS]

01:09:27   seeing if you want to learn how to draw and to start that learning on the iPad I [TS]

01:09:34   don't think so I mean to be fair I've only played at the pencil like I said [TS]

01:09:37   for him editor to it was not very much at all and I thought it was neat but it [TS]

01:09:42   struck me as the sort of thing that I would think this is really need for a [TS]

01:09:45   week or two and then I'd probably never look at it again now who knows maybe in [TS]

01:09:49   a week or two I would get bit by the art bug if you will and then I would never [TS]

01:09:53   put it down but my guess is I would think shiny new need for a week maybe [TS]

01:10:01   two and then I would just never look never looked back and I wish I wish I [TS]

01:10:05   could do it somebody had asked TIFF have a photography work and I think this is [TS]

01:10:10   this is worth touching on briefly would you use it for photography is so why if [TS]

01:10:15   not why not I guess right now not because the way I added my photos it's [TS]

01:10:21   very very heavy in Photoshop [TS]

01:10:24   and the I feel like just the power and the hardware needed to run the Photoshop [TS]

01:10:34   that I like to run when I get my photos is just not there on the iPad I could [TS]

01:10:42   see it because if if it end if they end of translating onto the iPad with the [TS]

01:10:47   touch interface it might be interesting to do but I don't know the precision of [TS]

01:10:51   some of the Photoshop actions that I do really probably would not translate that [TS]

01:10:58   gray and for me I have to edit photos if anyone else is out there who is a [TS]

01:11:04   photographer or edit photos you know that if you use a different screen for [TS]

01:11:09   editing your photos not screen that you have calibrated with a printer that you [TS]

01:11:13   use or they are used to working with you can move photos from one device to [TS]

01:11:17   another and the colors will be all wrong that you have worked on so you could sit [TS]

01:11:22   and you can work on a picture for you know twenty minutes if you're traveling [TS]

01:11:29   at all over the place in putting filters on and taking them off like I do like an [TS]

01:11:32   insane person because I'm crazy but if you do that you would have no one device [TS]

01:11:38   and you put it on another and then all of a sudden it's not what you wanted it [TS]

01:11:41   to be which that frustration exist when I get for voters to clients and they [TS]

01:11:45   don't have the right color but I've found a way to fix that anyway but it's [TS]

01:11:50   just it's not right now I right now it's not accessible on the the level that i'm [TS]

01:11:55   i'm playing with here and I think that a lot of other people feel that too but if [TS]

01:11:59   you're just doing you know you're moving some sliders around which the majority [TS]

01:12:02   of our family photos that's all that it needs then it is pretty accessible but I [TS]

01:12:07   don't like having my photos into places where we actually have something of a [TS]

01:12:11   generous about that there was this thing and Macworld [TS]

01:12:13   about the display quality color accuracy of the iPad pro vs the surface Pro for [TS]

01:12:20   and other things and I've ever didn't come out that wellness test not that [TS]

01:12:24   there's no bad screen cities are all good screens but the 704 edged out and [TS]

01:12:28   forget but the company is that does this [TS]

01:12:31   the test all the display is just a mate I believe historically Apple has been [TS]

01:12:35   weird with with the displays because it's you know that they always displays [TS]

01:12:41   as those beautiful display of ever put in a blah blah blah like they always say [TS]

01:12:44   they're great they don't tend to differentiate but whenever anyone does [TS]

01:12:47   any actual testing with the color meter some models of devices have super [TS]

01:12:51   accurate displays and some have not so accurate ones and it doesn't follow any [TS]

01:12:55   particular lines like I think they were saying like the best screen Apple had [TS]

01:12:58   ever put on was like I'm one of the many is there something yet at the most [TS]

01:13:02   recent iPad Mini Mini for ya so they're all pretty good but you know but there [TS]

01:13:07   is enough variance that would be saying is surely it's not just like that you [TS]

01:13:12   know even equally good they can be different than a calibrated but then [TS]

01:13:17   some cases just like the screen can display the same range of colours at [TS]

01:13:21   that screen Canzano Amanda calibrations ever gonna make them look the same same [TS]

01:13:24   it's also interesting that they have the nice TCPIP 310 bit screens on the on the [TS]

01:13:31   new iMacs but that has that didn't make it into the iPad pro I wonder and even [TS]

01:13:38   support standard colors and that's one of the reasons why but it'd be [TS]

01:13:42   interesting to see if and when that gets added to iOS that could really help as [TS]

01:13:47   well yeah it's not that I Mac Pro but it's got the good screen but the iPad [TS]

01:13:51   pro not something I mean obviously have different strengths or handheld device [TS]

01:13:54   like who knows what the requirements are you know that extra little bit of color [TS]

01:13:57   accuracy and ended 10 been arranged everything maybe it's just not feasible [TS]

01:14:00   at all in a handheld battery-powered device yet again will be nice though but [TS]

01:14:05   anyway or any other questions for 240 just in general terms like thumbs up [TS]

01:14:12   yeah yeah I really like it and I think that I'm going to develop liking it even [TS]

01:14:16   more because as I get better [TS]

01:14:18   the you know doing the digital art thing that I think I think it's going to [TS]

01:14:23   become more and more useful as a another tool of hobby I think you know it's not [TS]

01:14:30   my profession at all so it's it's very much a hobby tool but it's it's pretty [TS]

01:14:35   darn fun one also my thanks for coming on sharing with us and thanks for having [TS]

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01:17:08   response show once again make users more about the iPad pro I believe for now we [TS]

01:17:14   can talk about the USB thing but I can stay at least we have to get more info [TS]

01:17:17   about the bottom line is that the iPad Pro is definitely the device for you [TS]

01:17:20   want to have a speedy way to shove stuff into it and Apple has said that there is [TS]

01:17:24   going to be able to do that with usb3 speeds is there really a lot of emotion [TS]

01:17:32   behind tethered over the cable transfer of files to iOS devices these days [TS]

01:17:38   imagine it's imagine it's all cameras right like if you can connect your [TS]

01:17:41   camera directly to your yes you do it wirelessly if you wanted but if you [TS]

01:17:46   connect your camera or some other card reader thing directly to your iPad then [TS]

01:17:50   you could go on the road with just the iPad and the camera and do some useful [TS]

01:17:54   work that's true that actually and you know I might use it for that I mean [TS]

01:17:58   there are some trips where I bring my laptop now go to a conference I bring my [TS]

01:18:04   laptop but I really don't usually need it for any kind of laptop a function [TS]

01:18:09   that I can't serve just as well buy my iPhone or an iPad so you know I could [TS]

01:18:14   see the value in having that they've they've had ever since the first iPad is [TS]

01:18:19   sold the camera connection kit which has even been able to be in St card reader [TS]

01:18:23   or a USB port which you can use the plugin also decreased if you think about [TS]

01:18:26   but a surprising amount of driverless USB peripherals work on iPads with a [TS]

01:18:33   camera connection kit and some even work on iPhones anyway so I could see that [TS]

01:18:37   being being possible because the camera connection kit is is a [TS]

01:18:43   fairly rarely sold accessory as far as I know that they've never seem to put a [TS]

01:18:47   whole lot of effort into the the process and the capabilities of importing photos [TS]

01:18:52   off the camera card into the photos Apple iPads so I don't know how how well [TS]

01:18:57   it would work in practice I haven't try it next week and how it works and I also [TS]

01:19:03   wouldn't expect you to do very well may 14 megapixel raw files that that's why [TS]

01:19:09   usb3 speeds like that's the big thing lighting part mysteriously not those [TS]

01:19:13   speeds and it's kind of a pain if you have taken that files and now with the [TS]

01:19:18   iPad pro this part is capable I don't know how yet if they're not yet but it [TS]

01:19:22   will be capable of USB 3 speeds and so that would really help I mean generally [TS]

01:19:28   when it comes to light processing raw photos on something like an iPad the car [TS]

01:19:33   is a lemon [TS]

01:19:33   no I think the processing power of the devices limit because when you're [TS]

01:19:37   president raw files you have to do the deed the reading and the JPEG conversion [TS]

01:19:41   on on device it is never done for you and the cameras all have these really [TS]

01:19:46   specialized image processors to do it in like you know how the apparel optimized [TS]

01:19:50   way the computers are doing it generally you know on the CPU entirely or maybe [TS]

01:19:56   with some light GPU help and it's it's a pretty slow process to do large Roy [TS]

01:20:02   imports so I'm guessing that be much more useful for JPEG shooters or even in [TS]

01:20:07   the raw + JPEG weirdos like I was briefly but 44 action for people [TS]

01:20:11   shooting RAW who wanted to let you know a couple of quick imports to show [TS]

01:20:15   somebody or preview or post to the social network I probably won't be [TS]

01:20:20   useful for that but I'd love to try between wrong so maybe I'll try I mean I [TS]

01:20:25   mean this distance thing says the file transfer and then there's the conversion [TS]

01:20:29   even just for display purposes so if you can make the part where just copies the [TS]

01:20:33   raw data directly on the card and onto the iPad faster than it gives you more [TS]

01:20:36   time to spend with your slower CPU doing their own conversion for display anyway [TS]

01:20:41   even if it's not just for photography the idea the lighting this is an open [TS]

01:20:45   question is about is licking their back online part was made it like lightning [TS]

01:20:49   how fast will go why did not use USB why did not change it to you is BC [TS]

01:20:53   is it even possible to do usb3 speeds over lightning oh no you can't doesn't [TS]

01:20:58   have enough pins because the usb3 connector has more pins than the [TS]

01:21:01   contacts that are on the Lightning connector and this link in the show [TS]

01:21:04   notes from someone who did a lot of you know investigation into lighting part [TS]

01:21:09   backordered introduced this rainer a broader Hoffs blog and he has come back [TS]

01:21:14   to talk about the lack of pins and citizen he came down to is that you [TS]

01:21:20   don't need all the pains of a real USB thing because they have dedicated pins [TS]

01:21:23   for the USB two speeds and lighting doesn't have to do that again [TS]

01:21:26   multiplexing it's a look at home not doing USB two speeds or something else [TS]

01:21:30   but we'll see it I think people who are doing tear downs on the iPad pro said [TS]

01:21:35   they found two new look like two new connectors inside there so maybe the [TS]

01:21:38   adapters will have extra contacts I don't know how to work while to wait [TS]

01:21:41   till these adapters are introducing if they're already out I just haven't seen [TS]

01:21:44   them yet so there's some fall for next week [TS]

01:21:47   alright thanks let two or three sponsors this week [TS]

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01:21:57   now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [TS]

01:22:09   Casey [TS]

01:22:12   it was accidental and Marco [TS]

01:22:56   I do very much want to talk to you but I think we're better off tonight talking [TS]

01:23:01   about the iMac that's totally different [TS]

01:23:04   alright so I'm not my computer to be clear the Mac Pro 2008 Mac Pro still [TS]

01:23:11   here I'm speaking into it right now this is a replacement for my wife's 2011 [TS]

01:23:16   MacBook Air which was getting long in the tooth in our photos couldn't fit [TS]

01:23:22   anymore so we had an external SSD but it was only fire 800 and I was part of the [TS]

01:23:26   reason I thought photos might have been slow and anyway [TS]

01:23:28   done big fancy new iMac after hearing Marco report good things about his 2709 [TS]

01:23:35   action as the new from your fancy a model with even nicer screen and she [TS]

01:23:40   knows that she just wanted I magnin on freeway even as he took the MacBook Air [TS]

01:23:45   how the room on a podcast so she could so use a computer without being here but [TS]

01:23:49   they might still have the MacBook Air is just moved over to the other desperate [TS]

01:23:53   using a Mac and like me a few things for me to report that I never really spent [TS]

01:23:58   any time with markers I saw it and the ones in Astoria they've seen the [TS]

01:24:01   temporary spending time with them from mine I decided to not max out the RAM I [TS]

01:24:08   didn't do too much research into this but I just saw in the in the store [TS]

01:24:10   configurator it said 16 gigs for like two dams and 32 easier for a pic 16 [TS]

01:24:16   figuring that despite Mr Dempsey and up to 32 later that's not true don't tell [TS]

01:24:22   me until four years from now when I find out what I should probably fine I got [TS]

01:24:31   the biggest fastest GPU because whatever like I was going to buy the YouTube [TS]

01:24:35   video fingers crossed this will actually not be something to do my kids can now [TS]

01:24:39   play it by now seeing minecraft at non disgusting frame rates and I think I'm [TS]

01:24:45   more impressed than they are but I think at the same time they're never going to [TS]

01:24:48   use the plate on a MacBook Air again I don't blame them and I got the big [TS]

01:24:53   terabyte St because I really want to fit everything on this thing instead of [TS]

01:24:58   external drive which I still have but it's an enclosure that expire 800 so I [TS]

01:25:02   also had two by the way by a lightning to Thunderbolt to firewire 800 out there [TS]

01:25:06   so I could connect my chain of firewire 800 drives and everything but it's mine [TS]

01:25:12   I'll have USB 3 hard drive that I can finally connect to actually use the [TS]

01:25:16   report and I was one of the first things I noticed about this was I have a bus [TS]

01:25:22   powered one terabyte like 2.5 inch USB 3 drive for a while and I decided I'm [TS]

01:25:29   going to use this I was used as the clone drive for this year 10 a super [TS]

01:25:33   duper clones and I kept finding that when the Mac would go to sleep and wake [TS]

01:25:38   back up it would say this disc was not ejected properly bubble blower like it [TS]

01:25:43   was unmounting itself somewhere along the line and that usually means I like [TS]

01:25:49   it's being under powered by the bus and it's just you know not able to maintain [TS]

01:25:53   the connection but then it comes back I don't understand it because it's not [TS]

01:25:57   connected to a hub is directly connected to the computer and I have never had [TS]

01:26:01   that problem than any other computers are connected this to but then again I [TS]

01:26:03   haven't had it connected to other computers for really long period of time [TS]

01:26:06   so I know if I have a broken drive if the ports in the back of the USB the [TS]

01:26:10   iMac can supply enough power for this thing whatever it is that kind of [TS]

01:26:15   annoyed me but i wanna talk about the thickness of external peripherals and [TS]

01:26:19   right now Allen I only connected when I wanna do a clone which is a reasonable [TS]

01:26:23   solution I suppose although I have a whole their drive at the end of the fire [TS]

01:26:26   and change to do if you want to have an enclosure that I have bought like three [TS]

01:26:30   of them now it's something like twelve dollars at City usb3 single disc 2.5 [TS]

01:26:36   inch closer and its I had one of them would would do the exact same thing when [TS]

01:26:41   it was on a really freaky USB hub that I used to have and so far this this [TS]

01:26:46   enclosure to them that I bought have been perfect and for $12 it's been just [TS]

01:26:51   as good as like the expensive ones I've gotten from OWC and stuff in the past [TS]

01:26:55   that's what I had to do that I never considered because I knew that would [TS]

01:26:59   work but even direct connect them a closely so I don't know anyway that's [TS]

01:27:03   the main thing I noticed about this iMac off the bat [TS]

01:27:08   is that the fan in all states it slowly noisier than I thought it would be [TS]

01:27:13   forced to really even in the most I don't like nothing is happening on the [TS]

01:27:18   computer I i download video that shows me the fan rpm like the lowest possible [TS]

01:27:22   rpm I can still hear it more than I could hear the fan on the MacBook Air [TS]

01:27:28   for two reasons one the MacBook Air was like back a little bit farther like it [TS]

01:27:32   was kind of behind the monitor and to the left and to win the MacBook Air fan [TS]

01:27:37   is like doing nothing [TS]

01:27:38   it is a really quiet now the flip side of that is that you do anything to the [TS]

01:27:42   MacBook Air the fan goes up to Super you know they can possibly go and sounds [TS]

01:27:46   like a terrible angry hair dryer right so when iMac you can do way more before [TS]

01:27:51   the fans start spinning up so overall it's probably benefit but every time I [TS]

01:27:55   sit in front of a computer I keep thinking that the hard drives on cause I [TS]

01:27:59   have something for guard that's going to this thing from a different backups and [TS]

01:28:01   I don't leave them on all the time like actually unmount them and turn them off [TS]

01:28:04   and you know like a hard drive and spinning make some noise mechanical hard [TS]

01:28:09   drive I keep thinking that while if one of the drives on the nose just stupid [TS]

01:28:12   fans think anybody thought my computer [TS]

01:28:14   sign it's probably still choir than my 2008 Mac Pro though maybe not going that [TS]

01:28:18   grows on the ground in early here that that is my one mild disappointment [TS]

01:28:24   everything else about it is great screen looks great I don't even mind that weird [TS]

01:28:27   looks actually kinda cool but they do see it from the edge sometimes for a [TS]

01:28:33   while I kept thinking that the hinge was loose because it kept going to lay down [TS]

01:28:37   this is my wife she could still take it down the night fighting over what the [TS]

01:28:43   correct position is the screen but the more obvious a different types their [TS]

01:28:46   photos is faster and is much faster than it was in my car and drive it is still [TS]

01:28:53   slow and is still weird and buggy when I when I brought the library over you know [TS]

01:28:58   how to top it off my external drive that took forever and throws really weird [TS]

01:29:03   about I copied every single file over and photos was like I have sixty five [TS]

01:29:08   thousand files to important like no you don't they're all there and so had to [TS]

01:29:12   wait for like three days for it to convince himself that had all the files [TS]

01:29:15   on it at some point it was like you don't [TS]

01:29:17   have enough disk space I'm like how I don't have it you know I have plenty of [TS]

01:29:22   space I'm not even like a quarter filled in this terabyte drive so photos is [TS]

01:29:26   weird and does weird things and scared he sometimes but in the end I just let [TS]

01:29:31   it stew for a long time it was fine I still haven't removed my most recent [TS]

01:29:35   backup of my otha library so if this thing is lying to me I still have [TS]

01:29:40   everything as like you know when I got the new iMac but that was a little [TS]

01:29:44   tricky and boy copying the photo library in the Finder that took so long and was [TS]

01:29:51   so terrifying [TS]

01:29:52   there are so many files involved with that in the Finder gives you a little [TS]

01:29:56   bit of a finer spends like a long time like me [TS]

01:29:56   bit of a finer spends like a long time like me [TS]

01:00:00   he wasn't half hour maybe with more than our preparing to copy not going to copy [TS]

01:00:05   it's preparing to copy it's gotta count all the files and I don't know what it's [TS]

01:00:08   doing to me it's free flying to make sure the spaces available like I should [TS]

01:00:12   use the CPK man just start chopping things what do you like to use rsync for [TS]

01:00:16   crying out loud [TS]

01:00:17   flags on these things that make up the other metadata like no I have no idea [TS]

01:00:22   what I was doing with the 411 be used to find it eventually did work remember I'm [TS]

01:00:26   copping from as a city to SSD here so it's you know it's hot as fire r800 to [TS]

01:00:30   internal SSD is not as a waiver spinning disk to send the heads-up play seeking [TS]

01:00:34   all over there was terrifying it actually did work so yeah so far so good [TS]

01:00:40   another file thing I can put this in here I spent like three days fighting [TS]

01:00:45   with this damn computer that felt like I was going back in time there was 10 Time [TS]

01:00:50   Machine spotlight we're just not happy time machine seemed happy in the [TS]

01:00:54   beginning because it's like oh you know my name I could do the same as it was [TS]

01:00:57   before I did migration as a sense like I told you this descriptor machines like [TS]

01:01:02   you only get inherit the backups from the previous thing and I did because [TS]

01:01:04   like basically that was you know I copy the hard drive over there yes please [TS]

01:01:08   inherit the backup so I don't lose all my previous versions so it starts [TS]

01:01:11   backing up to this thing and I told us to do that and I noticed that like [TS]

01:01:17   spotlight in Time Machine we're just not ever finishing what they're supposed to [TS]

01:01:22   be doing spotlight was always the you know seemingly indexing in the console [TS]

01:01:25   is filling up with tons of like Mt worker errors and stuff like that and [TS]

01:01:28   Time Machine would never actually complete a backup ever ever ever after [TS]

01:01:32   several days this I spent a long time staring at the council and cooling for [TS]

01:01:35   things and finding all these weird obscure errors and people are like oh [TS]

01:01:38   just nuclear spotlight star and you know I did all the things you can imagine [TS]

01:01:42   doing with them to you till like totally removing a thing disabling spotlight [TS]

01:01:46   trying to let spotlight go first trying to buy time machine go first I don't [TS]

01:01:50   know what their problem was but they were totally wage and neither one of [TS]

01:01:54   them [TS]

01:01:54   spotlight indexing when I complete in time she will not complete and I was [TS]

01:01:57   very refreshing because I really can't basically sign off on the computer is [TS]

01:02:01   ready for use until time machine is running really care that much about [TS]

01:02:03   spotlight so I spent many days fighting with that and googling [TS]

01:02:07   and eventually got the thing to go through what the hell was I don't [TS]

01:02:11   remember what the problem was one of those things where it's not like there [TS]

01:02:13   was no aha moment I you know if if you like Google for all these error messages [TS]

01:02:18   you find a million hits on Apple's discussion boards of people the same [TS]

01:02:21   problem sometimes they're benign sometimes people say list of things that [TS]

01:02:24   for me nothing I found help me fix it eventually I just had to go to the old [TS]

01:02:28   school kinda bugging room using like lsof and stuff to figure out who the [TS]

01:02:32   hell has these files open and are they files that I can even delete or re- copy [TS]

01:02:37   one of the solutions involved me deleting my old user account that had on [TS]

01:02:42   that machine because spotlight isn't as indexing the files of the logged in user [TS]

01:02:46   its indexing the files on by all the different users at the same time and [TS]

01:02:49   some of the counselors you're saying you're not from the counter logged into [TS]

01:02:52   and like 10 make sure you log into every account update the clock cloud stuff and [TS]

01:02:56   I did that it didn't help the boy was one of the problems where every solution [TS]

01:03:00   you find you're excited this is gonna be the thing that makes it and it doesn't [TS]

01:03:03   but I did them up in a way I deleted my account from there which took with it a [TS]

01:03:07   lot of files that apparently of the various spotlight metadata diamond [TS]

01:03:11   importe things I can be working in the US where choking on badly and that led [TS]

01:03:16   to progress and eventually spotlight and text anyone spotlight in next time [TS]

01:03:20   machine worked and I just made me think that there's no way in hell that anybody [TS]

01:03:25   could have successfully fix this if they didn't have the if they want a person [TS]

01:03:29   who's willing to spend literally three days just googling and and cursing you [TS]

01:03:33   googling and cursing and part of it is probably because like you know this is [TS]

01:03:39   my gracious assistant and it's like an old account that maybe like had a bunch [TS]

01:03:43   of weird crafty things in it from a long time ago but you know we're going to see [TS]

01:03:49   you should just gonna clean so this is the first time I Gration assist system [TS]

01:03:52   has steered me wrong and really I just blame it was followed her timesheet [TS]

01:03:56   about for just not being more about us find their files up also isn't it weird [TS]

01:04:00   that you can import their car causing AMD worker to crash just just move on [TS]

01:04:04   just you know power through it like then don't index those but if an ironing [TS]

01:04:09   understand why spotlighting time machines seem to Wed each other in this [TS]

01:04:13   way because time machine should work without spotlight and vice versa but [TS]

01:04:16   period so that was a bad sort of first couple days experience but eventually we [TS]

01:04:21   did get into a steady state and now I have mounting back up so I had to [TS]

01:04:25   finally expand my back up some nice analogy which by the way was nice and [TS]

01:04:28   easy because I just got the added you know they don't have trouble reading had [TS]

01:04:32   another drive to think but I just converted from the raid 1 raid 5 and so [TS]

01:04:36   from two discs its rate and so got more space that all worked out so for the fan [TS]

01:04:41   noise things going better for a second cause I my iMac is is almost inaudible [TS]

01:04:47   and and the same is almost inaudible when it's when it's not doing that much [TS]

01:04:51   and and really under any load accept a sustained heavy lift if I Hanbury or [TS]

01:04:58   asked if his a-game running then you will hear the fans but in every other [TS]

01:05:02   time I don't hear the fans at all so I'm curious now of course if you know if you [TS]

01:05:06   had something like I start menu's installed by did I install the thing to [TS]

01:05:10   see their family at 1200 rpm I can hear ok that's good that's as you say mine is [TS]

01:05:15   idling at 1200 and is that loud like it's it's not a loud fan is just not [TS]

01:05:19   inaudible [TS]

01:05:20   I mean I'm surprised in a room that that that includes a Mac Pro is one thing we [TS]

01:05:24   notice like if I went from two macros 22 IMAX and when you would turn off the [TS]

01:05:31   iMac of them in the Mac Pro leaving the iMac behind it was clear as daylight [TS]

01:05:37   when we only had one and one for like a day or two [TS]

01:05:40   the difference was clear as day like that the the Mac Pro was so we always [TS]

01:05:45   thought was quiet relatively speaking but it's so easily would mask the noise [TS]

01:05:49   of the iMac yeah my macros asleep most of the time it does the closest thing to [TS]

01:05:56   the iMac is the ps4 but it's also a sleep unless I was playing but really I [TS]

01:06:01   can only hear that Mike when I'm sitting in front but that's one who knows me [TS]

01:06:04   that sound oh it's a stupid again not loud at all but I just feel like it [TS]

01:06:09   should be like the MacBook Air with literally inaudible when the computer is [TS]

01:06:12   idle and you could hear it at all that was like I was grinding in the back row [TS]

01:06:16   doing something like that and this is close to inaudible but not so it's not [TS]

01:06:22   that big of a deal but it'd be nice if you just like they just need to put an [TS]

01:06:26   even bigger lower rpms and it's not like you don't have room space to spread out [TS]

01:06:31   big leave the fan blades turning it like you know hundred rpm go for it you can [TS]

01:06:37   have it as you said you liked the thin edge you see from the side sometimes [TS]

01:06:40   that's why that's why we can't have nice things done that we can have been quiet [TS]

01:06:43   fans even with the thin and there's enough room for like a frisbee in their [TS]

01:06:46   big screen and speaking that so like her computer is always the one that we had [TS]

01:06:54   not sleeping cuz it was plugged into AC all the time and I was going to have one [TS]

01:06:58   here that the wake all the time to sell you to go for a lot of that rolled her [TS]

01:07:01   computer is always awake and with the iMac it was weird to see Nos 10 I don't [TS]

01:07:06   know this is a new development of the handout IMAX for a while but like with a [TS]

01:07:09   built-in screen computer there's not separate settings for display sleeping [TS]

01:07:13   apparently there's one saying that says do you want me to prevent the computer [TS]

01:07:17   from going to sleep when the display sleeps and there's one slide it says [TS]

01:07:20   when should the display go to sleep I would like to say let's play go to [TS]

01:07:23   sleeps 10 minutes computer go to sleep on our like you used to back in the [TS]

01:07:26   olden days and how I can on my Mac Mac Pro other but you can tell you that the [TS]

01:07:31   check box and I need to just looking to the peerless settings just changes [TS]

01:07:35   though I wanted you can also you can set a hot corner to do immediate display [TS]

01:07:39   sleep yeah and you just have a doubt I know it's just like I'm using the [TS]

01:07:44   sliders that the way they used to be and I'm also known as some spooky behavior [TS]

01:07:48   arcade like you leave the computer known such a nose doing anything and display [TS]

01:07:53   will go off and whether it sleeping or not you come back a little later in this [TS]

01:07:55   label beyond I've been sitting in the room I tap and I've been like plain [TS]

01:07:58   destiny outlook over the screen turns unlike you turning on and you know wait [TS]

01:08:02   for network access is off no weird USB hubs are attached the console is [TS]

01:08:06   anything about what the thing is it's like did you wake up or did the screen [TS]

01:08:09   and sometimes the screen just won't go you know that interval go by 15 mins ago [TS]

01:08:13   by an ice cream monkey off so I've got my eye and it I'm sleep issues like I [TS]

01:08:17   don't care cause is based on all the time anyway but you know what's going on [TS]

01:08:21   there in forever that I know the issue you're talking about I've seen that in [TS]

01:08:25   the past and other computers but I have never seen that either of our IMAX so I [TS]

01:08:31   don't think it's a it's an issue with the iMac I think it's an issue with [TS]

01:08:35   probably so maybe it's that weird USB device [TS]

01:08:39   maybe maybe it's a plague enclosure the plug is that thing is unplugged so [TS]

01:08:43   that's not a fair maybe the fire where the fire was just powered off I don't [TS]

01:08:49   know anyway I gotta figure out how to make this thing happen MCM too much has [TS]

01:08:52   happened once or twice and then one morning I can dance at the computer [TS]

01:08:56   screen on so maybe was on all night anyway it's it's behaving now Windows [TS]

01:09:01   computer can't sleep it's like when you too much chillin nearly 35 like you know [TS]

01:09:08   your computer has so many windows it just it just keeps can't go to sleep my [TS]

01:09:13   computer its her computer doesn't have that many things on it is only 50 she's [TS]

01:09:18   someone does is one of the things that make that he remember when it came time [TS]

01:09:25   to order this is going to the order configuration thing [TS]

01:09:29   asked my wife if she wanted which math she wanted or if you want to try to [TS]

01:09:33   measure trackpad and to my surprise you should she wanted to try to Magic [TS]

01:09:36   Trackpad because she already had a mouse that you liked and we got the extended [TS]

01:09:40   keyboard which is still in the box because she like they keep using your [TS]

01:09:43   old ones that we have an extra now but anyway she picked a magic trackpad and [TS]

01:09:46   not for me still like it's magic is that maybe I still use the mouse I'm not [TS]

01:09:52   going to attract bad person so far remains to be seen if she will make the [TS]

01:09:58   transition she's been trying it and messing around with that but I think if [TS]

01:10:02   I look over there now I think the mouse is still next to the keyboards I think [TS]

01:10:05   she liked the measure track that down and uses it and I don't know I can tell [TS]

01:10:10   when you talk talk talk of the sound different mouse but anyway there's one [TS]

01:10:17   in the house now and she was a curious enough to try but I don't know if it'll [TS]

01:10:21   stick [TS]