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147: Here I Am, I'm a Battery

 

00:00:00   the only question is are we gonna make Brent Simmons angry with the comma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/0">TS</a>]

00:00:03   splice in Haryana battery you can make it a semicolon you can make it a period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3">TS</a>]

00:00:08   when you leave another comment the comma splice but I do like it's an informal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/8">TS</a>]

00:00:11   and since it is a someone speaking you could consider it someone speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/11">TS</a>]

00:00:15   sometimes people speak and things that are not sentences I definitely would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/15">TS</a>]

00:00:19   do a semicolon because that's just is wrong I mean I know it's Brantley right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/19">TS</a>]

00:00:23   but I just hate them like as unprincipled like ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/23">TS</a>]

00:00:27   not never but it takes a lot to be really really worth it what does it take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/27">TS</a>]

00:00:33   to really be the right thing to use their and like there has to be no good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/33">TS</a>]

00:00:38   alternatives like that's why I really rarely use semicolons they don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/38">TS</a>]

00:00:42   them so that every period Harry M paradigm but I just leave us a comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/42">TS</a>]

00:00:46   that you have two periods and hearing Empyrean about a period since I also so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/46">TS</a>]

00:00:52   what does leave the comment there was a dare brain to go ahead and get us the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/52">TS</a>]

00:00:58   entire internet wrote in to tell us that there is already a lightning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/58">TS</a>]

00:01:03   headphone jack adapter which is not at all useful if you're anywhere other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/63">TS</a>]

00:01:07   your death but in the defense of the entire internet we were talking mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/67">TS</a>]

00:01:11   about using this sort of adapter of work is used to Pakistan music all day long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/71">TS</a>]

00:01:17   Apple sells a lightning to headphone jack adapter with Pastor lightning for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/77">TS</a>]

00:01:23   charging it's the $40 lightning dock which I believe came out recently didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/83">TS</a>]

00:01:27   but that's got like a deck in it and that's for like the digital the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30   headphones it take digital audio over the lighting like it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/90">TS</a>]

00:01:33   relevant were discussing which was that they replaced the headphone jack with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/93">TS</a>]

00:01:36   lightning port and still wanted to support regular plain old analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/96">TS</a>]

00:01:40   headphones with it with an adapter that did not require you know any signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/100">TS</a>]

00:01:45   conversion just you know being a medal passed through to the the audio pins of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/105">TS</a>]

00:01:51   the head and that's not what the lighting doctors so how would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/111">TS</a>]

00:01:56   describe lightning dock instead then it it is basically a thing to let you both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/116">TS</a>]

00:02:03   plug in the current crop of lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/123">TS</a>]

00:02:06   potable headphones and also a charter the same one way or another this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/126">TS</a>]

00:02:11   the sort of thing that we would expect one to take running around with them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/131">TS</a>]

00:02:15   they're trying to use the to adapt Lightning to a regular headphone jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/135">TS</a>]

00:02:19   this would serve the purpose for desk use but not for mobile use and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/139">TS</a>]

00:02:26   mostly what we were talking about last episode but yes we wanted to publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/146">TS</a>]

00:02:30   acknowledge on behalf of the entire internet who wrote into us that we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/150">TS</a>]

00:02:34   aware that the success so Eric Michaels over had a little bit of feedback with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/154">TS</a>]

00:02:41   regard to see why else you would want to use the lightning port for audio he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/161">TS</a>]

00:02:45   pointed out that noise cancelling headphones don't need their own battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/165">TS</a>]

00:02:49   or any other charging mechanism because they can just draw power right off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/169">TS</a>]

00:02:54   lightning port much like a pencil doesn't mean I want to like do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/174">TS</a>]

00:02:58   really want your noise cancelling headphones sucking power from your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/178">TS</a>]

00:03:01   maybe maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03   extra battery power and the phones might as well use it practically bursting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/183">TS</a>]

00:03:08   of the phone is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/188">TS</a>]

00:03:09   well played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/189">TS</a>]

00:03:12   get there and then I have no idea who were attributing this to a max called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/192">TS</a>]

00:03:19   Amex ok and he or she said that USB Type C already supports analog audio check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/199">TS</a>]

00:03:26   out Appendix A in the spec and we will link to the spectrum show notes John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/206">TS</a>]

00:03:30   believe you folded some passages here would like to share that with the group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/210">TS</a>]

00:03:33   that aspect by the way the PDF like relating to the page that has the PDF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/213">TS</a>]

00:03:37   download the PDF and find this been in Appendix A [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   you will find that comes out of his last time I like I said one of the advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/219">TS</a>]

00:03:46   of lightning is that if Apple wants to add support for plain old analog audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/226">TS</a>]

00:03:51   either by adding this to weird side context that I seem to remember seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/231">TS</a>]

00:03:55   someone I still can't find or just by repurposing the pins be the whole deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/235">TS</a>]

00:03:58   with lightning as you can use a different things for different purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   not sort of hard wired so to speak to do a particular thing that Apple has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/240">TS</a>]

00:04:07   flexibility to wait for the USB committee or whatever to agree but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/247">TS</a>]

00:04:10   turns out USBC already supports analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/250">TS</a>]

00:04:13   I should have figured that since it's an old standard if you have your USB see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/253">TS</a>]

00:04:20   connector and audio adapter accessory mode it just takes a certain number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/260">TS</a>]

00:04:24   pins in the USB uses them for the same exact signals takeover 3159 headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/264">TS</a>]

00:04:28   jack so that's already support years BC and the other thing I found that I USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/268">TS</a>]

00:04:32   relevant our conversation last time about whether Apple was all in lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/272">TS</a>]

00:04:35   or they were going to eventually switched to ABC NBC is bigger than my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/275">TS</a>]

00:04:40   shows how many years BC device I have in my house I'm pretty sure I have zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/280">TS</a>]

00:04:44   maybe I have won let her know about it somewhere but I don't have an idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/284">TS</a>]

00:04:48   what they like but looking it up online afterwards he just bc is slightly bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/288">TS</a>]

00:04:51   and that pretty much dooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   never switch to it because they're going to be like well lighting is smaller so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/293">TS</a>]

00:04:58   we have a special I think so I think we're in it for the long haul for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/298">TS</a>]

00:05:03   lightning even though USBC apparently already supports and all I've got a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/303">TS</a>]

00:05:07   could definitely make that passive connector thing for old style headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/307">TS</a>]

00:05:11   if you're using your SBC exxon speaking of USB and in this case USB 3 we are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/311">TS</a>]

00:05:18   getting usb3 speeds from the new lightning testy to sdcard camera reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/318">TS</a>]

00:05:23   that came out just in the last couple of days we record and for the iPad pro you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/323">TS</a>]

00:05:29   get the USB 3 speeds on that that's pretty exciting I've never actually used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/329">TS</a>]

00:05:33   when these two does have one of them I have two USB one which I used for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/333">TS</a>]

00:05:37   audio purposes which is actually it's totally undocumented thing they can do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/337">TS</a>]

00:05:43   plug in a lot of USB audio interfaces to it and have different sound to put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/343">TS</a>]

00:05:47   outlets for your iOS devices and actually has more than iPhones and iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/347">TS</a>]

00:05:50   basically forever but my father and I used the sdcard one for a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/350">TS</a>]

00:05:56   on his iPad it's it was fine it was ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/356">TS</a>]

00:06:00   interests me most about these USB 3 speed and iPad Pro is for people like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/360">TS</a>]

00:06:06   maybe I'm wearing this who still hook up their iOS devices to one of their big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/366">TS</a>]

00:06:10   computers and do an encrypted local backup instead of just relying on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/370">TS</a>]

00:06:14   iCloud backup it takes so long to do it speeds so like eight USB 3 speeds when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/374">TS</a>]

00:06:20   doing a local backup to my computer through iTunes I would really appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/380">TS</a>]

00:06:23   that even for my dinky 32 and 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/383">TS</a>]

00:06:26   devices let alone 128 gig iPad 40 so I'm assuming you have on Marco I'm assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/386">TS</a>]

00:06:31   the if you were to hook it up to your Mac with the USB cable would still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/391">TS</a>]

00:06:35   USB two speeds as far as I know but I think all the existing lightning to USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/395">TS</a>]

00:06:39   cables I think I'll USB two cables so I I don't think that's doable yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/399">TS</a>]

00:06:45   hopefully over time they will be solved just in time for people to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/405">TS</a>]

00:06:48   overthinking things that computers well I don't have you ever stopped because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/408">TS</a>]

00:06:52   like as people who've ever restored from iCloud can attest such a super pain oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/412">TS</a>]

00:06:56   yeah I will still do it and it will still do it but you know I think we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   we are already in the extreme minority there but that's the accessory lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/419">TS</a>]

00:07:04   release forget about this whole you know like the exciting thing was like wow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/424">TS</a>]

00:07:08   lightning port supports USB 3 speeds but only in the iPad pro and surely that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/428">TS</a>]

00:07:12   will trickle down and that'll be great but I don't want St card reader I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/432">TS</a>]

00:07:15   thing that plugs into my computer for it if what it's worth I actually put this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/435">TS</a>]

00:07:19   on my Christmas list for this year I don't know if I would necessarily it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/439">TS</a>]

00:07:24   know it's it's a great gift because it's a sort of thing I wouldn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   buy for myself but hey if somebody handed it to me that'd be pretty awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/446">TS</a>]

00:07:29   in the reason I want one is because there are probably going to come times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/449">TS</a>]

00:07:34   when I'm traveling with our Micro Four Thirds camera I didn't decide to bring a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/454">TS</a>]

00:07:38   laptop with me and I only have my iPad and I could connect the camera to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/458">TS</a>]

00:07:43   iPad by way of wifi but it's actually surprisingly slow to do it that way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/463">TS</a>]

00:07:49   so I think it would be a lot easier to just pull the sdcard of the camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/469">TS</a>]

00:07:54   attach it to the iPad or phone for that matter in suck some pictures off their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/474">TS</a>]

00:07:58   that way in order to you know post on Instagram or maybe just send to friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/478">TS</a>]

00:08:02   or family or what have you so I'm curious to see if I end up getting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/482">TS</a>]

00:08:06   for Christmas and if I do I'll report back but I agree with you mark over by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/486">TS</a>]

00:08:10   and large that it's not a lot of people that would want this but I kinda want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/490">TS</a>]

00:08:13   one because I think it would be useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   kind of a testament to the crappiness of wireless we talked about the last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/495">TS</a>]

00:08:18   about like his wifi above the level of laziness but how many people use wi-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/498">TS</a>]

00:08:22   syncing to iTunes maybe that's not my wife I just like my tunes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/502">TS</a>]

00:08:26   there's so much but even like cameras you know so many cameras have wifi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/506">TS</a>]

00:08:31   stupid I thought I think like the sdcard with wi-fi built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/511">TS</a>]

00:08:35   forever and it looks like the next this one the new model is finally the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/515">TS</a>]

00:08:40   one and it never is for a bit for the cameras for the cameras that have built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/520">TS</a>]

00:08:44   in WiFi support like that's what you want you want that and you also want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/524">TS</a>]

00:08:47   work but you want until you try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   yeah I know but like what's the problem wifi itself technologically speaking is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/529">TS</a>]

00:08:54   an OK technology like you know we all use wireless devices are in our house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/534">TS</a>]

00:08:59   and they moralist maintain a connection and we get reasonable speeds based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/539">TS</a>]

00:09:03   what we think the signal strength when we have a super expensive camera 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/543">TS</a>]

00:09:07   inches away from a super expensive iPad dealing with the best way we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/547">TS</a>]

00:09:12   talk to them is to open up the camera in a little water proof or water resistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/552">TS</a>]

00:09:15   compartment put this tiny little card played with little thing into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   Lightning poor childless just you're right there guys you both have radios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/558">TS</a>]

00:09:22   you both like what's what's the problem here is it because camera manufacturers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/562">TS</a>]

00:09:26   don't know what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/566">TS</a>]

00:09:27   wifi stacks I don't know what the deal is but it said well they all have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/567">TS</a>]

00:09:31   own apps basically it's like like my camera's built-in wifi finally took me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/571">TS</a>]

00:09:36   years to finally get one that had that and but in order to use it I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/576">TS</a>]

00:09:39   install Sony is dumb Apple iPhone which works about a third of the time and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/579">TS</a>]

00:09:44   you do finally get to work you can I regret that you got to work till it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/584">TS</a>]

00:09:48   over and so slow and it is actually actually been faster to just take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/588">TS</a>]

00:09:54   car out of the camera and shoved into this thing is to be the wifi thing feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/594">TS</a>]

00:09:59   barbaric though taking it does hard and putting them together i think im using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/599">TS</a>]

00:10:03   VCR but it's it's faster I fully agree my Olympus it isn't that the app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/603">TS</a>]

00:10:10   relatively reliable but it is astonishingly slow to transfer pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/610">TS</a>]

00:10:17   between the camera and the and the phone or the iPad and it's very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/617">TS</a>]

00:10:21   frustrating now that the app is nice and that for general things like it'll let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/621">TS</a>]

00:10:25   me geotag based on what the phone is doing so it'll take a lot of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/625">TS</a>]

00:10:29   places I go when all the time stamp someone not mentally ill send those to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/629">TS</a>]

00:10:33   the phone and then geotag all the pictures on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   tease me send us the camera and algae attack on the pictures on the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/635">TS</a>]

00:10:38   which I really like on the occasions were not just staying put somewhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/638">TS</a>]

00:10:43   it also lets you do you like a remote viewfinder sort of things so much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/643">TS</a>]

00:10:47   you can with the watch in the phone it'll let you take pictures remotely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/647">TS</a>]

00:10:51   which is really nice if you're too socially awkward to say to somebody hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/651">TS</a>]

00:10:55   can you take our picture but I cannot say enough how awfully slow days to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/655">TS</a>]

00:11:00   transfer pictures and because of that I agree with you mark I just end up taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/660">TS</a>]

00:11:04   the damn card out of the out of the Cameron putting it in a computer right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/664">TS</a>]

00:11:08   and we have some good news this week our long national nightmare is over and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/668">TS</a>]

00:11:15   now have an Apple Remote app for iOS that works with the new Apple TV which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/675">TS</a>]

00:11:20   would be more exciting to me if I had a new Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   well we don't have a my understanding haven't tested this from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/682">TS</a>]

00:11:26   understanding is not as if they released a new version they're not up the works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/686">TS</a>]

00:11:29   that will TV it's the opposite the recently released a new version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/689">TS</a>]

00:11:33   Apple TV iOS that makes the existing remote app work with it is that correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/693">TS</a>]

00:11:37   based on your understanding or experimentation oh I didn't try it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/697">TS</a>]

00:11:42   thought that was correct i mean i think they did eventually release a new iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/702">TS</a>]

00:11:45   app as well but I think before they even released in over a month now but I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/705">TS</a>]

00:11:49   was that if you just updated the TV OS you're not at work with it even before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/709">TS</a>]

00:11:54   they release the eventual remote app update yeah that was the idea for all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/714">TS</a>]

00:11:59   us for the setup stuff and this still promises of like the real remote app you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/719">TS</a>]

00:12:04   know let you swipe around on your phone like the touchpad using accelerometers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/724">TS</a>]

00:12:08   and just basically be a replay a full-fledged replacement for the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/728">TS</a>]

00:12:12   Apple TV remote rather than just please for the love of God give us an on-screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/732">TS</a>]

00:12:16   keyboard to type on with their fingers instead of having to sway back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/736">TS</a>]

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00:12:30   know what is what is the current well recent ish effort at a regular on-screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/750">TS</a>]

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00:12:46   controller and the D pad and a couple of buttons on the shoulder buttons to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/766">TS</a>]

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00:12:58   in this regular on-screen keyboard using a regular dpad that I've never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/778">TS</a>]

00:13:03   before then I was then I still am today on the new Apple TV that I've been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/783">TS</a>]

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00:13:13   suffered through like a barbarian using a deep at the keyboard you get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/793">TS</a>]

00:13:19   finger or thumb on the touchpad on the ps4 controller and one for your thumb on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/799">TS</a>]

00:13:23   the X button to select away when a faster oh my god it's so much faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/803">TS</a>]

00:13:29   is a is a big river tangle the middle yeah that's the big hit the big thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/809">TS</a>]

00:13:33   the middle of control no doubt you'll find out any games that it is as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/813">TS</a>]

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00:13:42   great track pad at like the one on Casey's down like you know it's a crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/822">TS</a>]

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00:14:53   and it's like you like to send out a message as it is I should just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/893">TS</a>]

00:14:57   the keyboard because it's so painful to try to do with the pad but the auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/897">TS</a>]

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00:15:41   bridging thing or toll-free bridging or is your across bridge and whatever is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/941">TS</a>]

00:15:45   not zero cost with System foundation bridging is not toll free I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/945">TS</a>]

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00:18:17   released the iPhone 6 s smart battery case Panamera unfair to the pan-american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:23   the Panamera has a fairly continue with the back of the car to its it's big and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:28   it's awkward the shape than profile but it's not as if this is a closer to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:33   bangle trunk on the seven Series remember that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1113">TS</a>]

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00:18:40   prototype yet come it does they were assigned hey can you make this like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1120">TS</a>]

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00:18:49   shipped it as a real product so it's described this for people with the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:52   our disconnect in time imagine and I thought success with Apple silicone case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:57   on it with 20% battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   3 o'clock in the afternoon give it a chin so so take the the battery case an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:05   extended downwards little bit and so like that it's got an extra training and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:10   I don't worry about why for now and then on the back of the phone take like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:15   don't know maybe seven made no maybe 15 playing cards from the deck of cards put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:21   it in there and then slather it with so there's a lump on the back of this bone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:28   shaped like a rectangle a rounded rectangle that is smaller than the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:33   of the phone it is both narrower than the phone and significantly shorter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:37   the phone so there are edges of what looked like just a plain old iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:41   success in a silicon case with the chin poking out all around us and it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:47   very strange because most other battery is mostly third-party better cases that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:50   i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:51   trying to put like a sort of smooth hump on the back of thing he did they try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:56   just make it to be really thin and make it look like is that actually better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:59   case or is that just like a really thick case you can't even tell where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:02   totally tell us like a bar of soap but it's essentially a smooth curve over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:06   entire backs ever this phone top to bottom left to right edge and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:11   the first better case I can see that does not do that does not try to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:15   big curve over the back and also doesn't try to be so that it looks like it's out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:18   of battery case it looks like there is there is a rectangular thing hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:23   inside the back of your iPhone case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:24   yeah it's been so so when USA it's bad what you're saying is it's ugly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:30   you're basically getting it well yeah I mean Yes it somebody told you had a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:34   that hey apples to make a battery case what you would imagine in your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:39   would be very different than this you know because like we expect Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:45   to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   minimum decent looking oftentimes at the expense of functionality these days with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:52   unfortunate but obviously expect the nurse you expect you know kind of smooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:56   lines nice curves in a minimal design aesthetic and and this this is none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1256">TS</a>]

00:21:06   those things it's like he doesn't look anything like Apple designed it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:11   would have seen this in a weird store window on the streets of Manhattan you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:16   have assumed was a knock off like it if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   it does not look like an Apple product and in in the role of battery cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:23   there is no option in a battery case that doesn't look like crap in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:27   they all my crap in some way what about the really thin ones the ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:32   like it did you can tell they're better get back to it just looks like I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:35   just be a regular case I think those look pretty good but one exception and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:39   I'll get to in the second my type but I think it yesterday this thing but but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:43   think it's you can't say they're all like a lot of them to make the font [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:48   bigger but the really thin ones that just gave you like a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   battery look pretty good yeah I would agree with that brand by the way those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:54   usually give more better than this but anyway there are some that look ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:58   Amazon pages like there there's an anchor ultra-slim that I can if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:01   in the wall street journal review the schedule an externship there's a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:04   of three and they were they were the Apple on there is one from Anchor if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:08   there was a movie or there are some other in the middle and he would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:13   that in in their review of the Apple battery case in a comparison photo next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:19   to these like way cheaper way higher capacity cases from these brands that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:25   are not known for great design especially like anchors are known for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:28   being rude utilitarian and being good value but you're not exactly for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:32   stunningly good design you would you would assume that the Apple option in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1352">TS</a>]

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00:22:45   best capacity and you'd be right but to see it not even be the best looking one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1365">TS</a>]

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00:23:00   that they could have done a massively better job as a battery case with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:05   goals in mind and then that's when we'll talk about their goals in a minute but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1385">TS</a>]

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00:23:12   seem like they know they were given a hard problem but it seems like a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:19   disappointing output the heart problem and all of this is underscored by by my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1399">TS</a>]

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00:23:37   the reviews can charge the phone about 80% of the way maybe so it's not as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1417">TS</a>]

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00:24:09   phone if you doing like GPS all day as part of your job then I could see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:12   need a lot more but honestly I like my use I complain a lot about the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:18   having not quite enough battery life and being too thin and and then suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:21   prioritizing fitness and lightness over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   batteries but the difference between what the six and the success has have as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:29   the difference between what they have and what I need is not that big I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:34   be very very happy if they took the battery of the success and just like 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:40   or 30 percent bigger at most 50% bigger you know that's that's all it needs it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:44   doesn't need to be three times as large you know it needs almost winter has just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:50   had like 25 to 50 percent more that's what that's what it really needs for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:55   and I from from people i've seen in real life people I've talked to it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:59   that would cover way more people's needs then like you know getting anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:03   giant or status quo now obviously Apple has way more data than I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:08   although honestly I i I question the metrics they collected how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:13   how well that covers the real world usage but anyway that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:17   discussion I'm just very sad that Apple's response to the success having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:23   clearly having porno of battery life for enough people that this was necessary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:29   make and release that they they they take that indicator and they say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:33   the right answer here is that that case is the right answer to the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:39   rather than if you just put in a battery that's like 25% bigger to begin with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:44   then the additional mass and complexity and efficiency of using that extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:51   battery power is a tiny fraction of the bulk and the mass and the complexity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:57   this case because you don't have an extra casing around it you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:01   extra framing for rigidity in the middle section you don't have that whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:04   heck that passive antenna thing is they're talking I'm no idea that is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:07   don't have that you don't have the charging circuitry the discharging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:10   circuitry like the reporting back to the phone if you're better living in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:13   different battery bars in Notification Center worried about its so much simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:17   if you just make the battery 25% bigger on the phone and you cover so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:22   with that kind of approach and I i no they don't do that because they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:26   be thinner and lighter and they think they're making her decision and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:29   they are but it's frustrating to be on my side of it when you think they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:32   and this is their solution that I completely agree you know I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:37   about it and you remember that sort of cheesy but also sort of entertaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:42   video they showed before WDC 2013 with like the dancing blobs of ink and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:48   a thousand knows video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   well I went and found a copy on YouTube which linked to the show notes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:54   video starts as follows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   if everyone is busy making everything how can anyone perfect anything I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1616">TS</a>]

00:27:03   that's a powerful it is a mouthful but I mean we've been talking a lot about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:11   spread thin we assume Apple to be these days now I think what generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:16   referring to software when we're talking about that but there's a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   there's a there's a lot more products and apples portfolio today than there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:22   were in 2013 and and I feel like this is just an example of somebody just phoning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:28   it in and and maybe I'm missing the boat but she's this thing looks just ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:33   it's just it just it's not smooth I mean it's smooth but it's not it's all based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:39   in its just a little huh i mean obviously if I were to get a battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:43   case I would consider this one simply because I like the feel of Apple's first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:48   party cases especially the Silicon Valley there feel over the buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:52   asleep waking the volume button everything they do feel good over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:55   buttons and they do fit well and all the other ones look pretty good this one not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1675">TS</a>]

00:28:01   so much but I appreciate the value of Apple's cases most of the time but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:07   me honestly if you know especially me look at costs like the first battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:12   cases like oh yeah this'll make sense you know use it every other day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:16   it'll be great and as soon as the next iPhone comes out and it's a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19   size and you can't use it anymore like why do i buy that $100 battery case that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:24   now is worthless to me and after that you typically just by like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:29   USB blocks or bricks or no other other ways to boost your head because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:33   realize that was kind of you know not a great use of my money so now I I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:39   moved on to the battery bricks and then little rectangles and stuff and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:43   better burn them to 25 bucks and they have more power than the Apple thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:49   think twice as much in your pocket anyway I don't know why I guess I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:54   like these things are just admitting failure and I also feel you look at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:58   cynically it's very easy to look at this and say you know I think they just made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:03   this to get $100 more out of people and they buy phones that were previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:08   going to third-party makers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   like mostly an anchor and everyone else like it seems like apple just wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:14   capture more of the iPhone accessory revenue for themselves to John what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:18   you think of this I know you guys are too new to the Apple world I think to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:23   get the obvious let's go back and find something that Apple said in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:27   that makes them look forward to the present your clothes when you're gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:30   back to the you know but I make too many things but you have to go back far there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:35   to the what i call the flower iMac not the flower power one but the one who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:41   on the cover of Time magazine that looks like a little hemisphere with like metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:45   arm poking out of it and the screen flooding in the Army as a member that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48   one oh yeah so at the introduction to that steve Jobs was like we want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:53   a flat panel iMac because flat-panel cruel and they're the future and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:58   trying to come up with design than enough this is in the keynoter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00   interviewer whatever the store is basically we thought about taking a flat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:04   screen and shoving the guts of the iMac onto the back of it that just seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:11   ridiculous because it was like this big lump and thing jammed onto the back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:15   the screen it wasn't elegance a look at the solution we came up with this was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:19   think maybe the first let every Ellen be true to itself thing like the basis the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:23   base it hugs the ground at low to the ground at the semicircle like boom there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:27   you are the base and the screen like that's because they're flat thin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:34   light so that screen be true to itself be light and airy like floating in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:38   area can reposition it sounds cool arm and arm told it was closed arm and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:43   super then because I mean not by today's standards like if you look at the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:48   and a MacBook Pro didn't even know it was a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:51   lookout then it is and it doesn't have all the get strapped to the back of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:53   of course today you know when they eventually did like the iMac g5 and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:57   big the white flat screen thing eventually did shut the interests of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:00   iMac to the back of the screen when they got to the point where they thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   think it should be entered in the back and not have it looked like a big you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:06   know hunchback type thing right so here we are with the battery case and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:11   impartial there's not really any place for the battery to go you can put it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:15   the front foot on the sides of the bottom so it's kinda got it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:18   back but when I first saw this might read about it was the the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:23   johnnie of Steve Jobs explanation for this still kinda fits they let each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:28   element be true to itself right so the phone is one element and the batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31   the other and it's like let's not hide the fact that we're jamming a battery on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:35   the back of a phone so the phone is this little thing and we're going to put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:40   battery in the back of it and the bad here he is nothing but a separate things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:44   around and trying to blend them together and make you think these are all one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47   piece we're going to eat it you can skip running problems hanging lantern on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:52   or in the Johnny I'm Steve Jobs problems let me tell me to be true to itself so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:56   this lithium-ion battery pack on the back of this this phone is being true to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1916">TS</a>]

00:32:00   itself by hearing here in I'm a battery I'm sticking out here say hi to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:08   you know like aesthetically speaking you can decide that looks ugly maybe because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:15   it looks different things maybe he's just like I don't want you to declare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:18   yourself to bed don't want you to be true to yourself battery I want you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:21   minimize yourself I don't wanna know you're there I want to pretend instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24   that I have Marcos phone that he talked about is actually just an iPhone success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27   they had little more battery power and by calling attention to itself in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:31   way that some people like it's it's really rubbing it in then I have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:35   extra things shoved in the back of my phone number used to be nice and elegant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:38   and now it's like you know below hunchback that's kinda gross but so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:43   could see are going to both sides that but I my opinion of the this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:48   started to fall two things one when I saw that it had a chance I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:52   surely the company that can make this better chances Apple right because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:55   channel the chin is really I find that substantially alters the field the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1975">TS</a>]

00:33:01   more than making it thicker once you start making it longer and wider and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:04   like the chance the chains come with compromises as people found out if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:09   buy it beats headphone you cannot plug it into the chain of this thing without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   an adapter because they little headphone jack is just too deep to go through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:15   little adapter things it's not just beat John their other headphones I November [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:19   said I i'm playing on beach because like Apple makes those rights as the work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:22   not like a third party has essentially first party at phones also don't fit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:26   earpods it right but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   you know large exxon they had to make a little time for the sound come out which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:32   is i'm glad they did that and little you know the little holes and tunnels have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:36   to make to get the stuff that's going to come out but there are things there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:40   third-party battery cases that don't have chains am I wrong in thinking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:44   I feel like I've seen them I was able to find one when I look for better cases a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:48   few months ago and there was one me look it up its offensive yesterday like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:55   feel like not having a chance something happen to do but the real kicker to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:59   was all of that story I just gave you about the bed the backpack being true to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:03   itself and have me extra capacity or whatever when I found out that Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:08   battery case actually has less battery capacity than the one that try to hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:11   the fact that has a battery that really killed the cat is like if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14   to have a big backpack and be true to yourself and say here I am I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   battery at least make that battery really high capacity right at least say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:22   yeah it's a little bit chunkier looking at the batteries but boy it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:26   capacity but it doesn't it has less capacity than those other ones it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:30   like it should have more because it calls attention to itself it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   prominent and yet the actual battery in there is smaller and so then I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:37   you know the battery case that I would have liked another number in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:41   or better yet but I would like to see the one that was just had massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:45   capacity was really high quality or the one that had no chin and made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:50   battery so then you don't even know that it's there they gave you only a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:54   bit more maybe more than Marcos 25 maybe 30 percent maybe forty percent battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:58   and an apple commits super thin one that's like it you don't even know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:02   the battery is looking like a little bit case but it gives you give your phone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:05   boost right both of those products I think would be nicer product as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:10   I'm concerned no I don't think the existence of battery case means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:15   either Apple is admitting the success has been very life and I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:19   success has better battery life really depends on where you individually if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:22   doesn't have enough battery life the way you used then yes you need to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:26   battery pack but I think that the battery life in the success is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   reasonable but as we've discussed many many times I also think there is a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:32   in Apple's product line for a phone that is bigger it gets more battery life that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:37   is not the 60 S Plus because that's forcing you to say hey if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:42   your life album makes a phone for you also it's the size of african tablet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45   I hope you like there's a place near line for to say and I thought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:48   success is that place actually I'd like it if they come with a four-inch phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:52   that one should be super thin and small and then the success should be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:55   bit thicker to have more battery + should be the way it is or maybe add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:59   something which i think is the place somewhere for thick bone that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2159">TS</a>]

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00:36:11   cases in real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2171">TS</a>]

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00:42:15   difficult to say whether they've overall undersized anything if this battery case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:20   gives them cover I don't think they'll be better cases existed already so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:23   whatever covered the thing that you think they're getting by having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2543">TS</a>]

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00:42:31   need to have a really long you know so I don't think I need to make this case to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2551">TS</a>]

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00:42:38   increases that don't cover them because now they can they can point to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2558">TS</a>]

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00:48:16   go away from the top to the bottom of the phone wires that look like a band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:19   aid where it's like this the lumpy part in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2899">TS</a>]

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00:49:36   things that are hard to get the phone in and out of the Apple one because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2976">TS</a>]

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00:49:43   just been the top back and inside the phone how to think about the video and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2983">TS</a>]

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00:49:58   tight-fitting battery cases but is that you know i guess its ok to say hey we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2998">TS</a>]

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00:50:46   which I do have a landmark one which I really liked until Marco showed me this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3046">TS</a>]

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00:51:35   during the fall and then maybe daily during wEDC but that's that's frequent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3095">TS</a>]

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00:51:58   happen to get like three pieces of sand in there and you said your phone inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:01   a microfiber not here to make scratches the other things about the lump sum in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:07   the Apple has talked about like grip ability and stuff in households better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:10   for that it's actually rather than putting it on the bottom like you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:13   do with the lump you can put the key under the lump instead of under the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3133">TS</a>]

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00:52:20   bottom funk even lower down so resting your pinky underneath it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:25   accountable to do it like having never held one of these I can't really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:28   about how would you would feel awkward will feel better like giving you a text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3148">TS</a>]

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00:54:18   smooth this thing over and try to hide all this stuff and you know make it look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:24   like a beautiful piece of sculpture perhaps sacrificing something of utility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3264">TS</a>]

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00:54:36   to people for Marco wanted more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3276">TS</a>]

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00:55:18   a beautiful thing and making a statement this one port and the scouts batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3318">TS</a>]

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00:56:23   possible to make a really good external battery case for an iPhone that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:28   looks good and good looks are important to Apple and the answer is to reduce or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:32   remove the need for external battery cases reducing it that's very much if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3392">TS</a>]

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00:56:48   their Apple should never make a phone as big as big movies are like even like 80% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:52   is big like say take one of the big movies cut out all the intermediary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:55   plastic and merge that that those mill empowers into the phone that's too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3415">TS</a>]

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00:57:03   need for some battery packs I just don't know what the ratio is like of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:07   people in new battery packs how many people could get away with just adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3427">TS</a>]

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00:57:16   doing and that Apple's not privy to that information because their surveys focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:19   groups don't work that is a motivation for Apple to make seven different sizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:23   of battery packs hey Apple you have your own information about exactly how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:26   more capacity people need and you could use that to decide how thick to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:30   next owner know what target battery life or whatever but now with severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:33   dissented ever do so because it reduced the iPhone ASAP I i think by making one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:39   case if they can make this will give them some information some real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:42   first-hand information about what people want out of battery cases anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:46   more battery cases that will give me more information like they're always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:49   making that calculus how big to make the battery in this phone should be going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:52   for target battery life like the iPad we just go for 10 hours all the time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:55   think we're ok with that I don't know what their targets for the iPhone this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:59   is a very important to me it seemed like it was tiny consistent but a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:03   lumpy the iPads for more of a straight line and the iPhone history was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3483">TS</a>]

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01:09:26   feel for grip purposes it is probably good for that although I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:30   whether the bullet in the back would be more comfortable as comfortable but I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:35   see why would she uses one but I think anybody who this sounds stupid anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:42   who really cares about their battery case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:44   I think would find many better options it depends on what you care about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:50   people this may look rugged to some people I'm not sure how the Athletics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:53   will will will be received by people who are not as obsessed with like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:59   apathetic as we are perhaps the people of Pakistan are because Apple Design is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:05   a particular aesthetic and it appeals to us obviously because we like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:08   products we buy them stuff but it's not necessarily people and every kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:11   like you know the Aston Martin static vs the Corvette vs Ferrari like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:17   historically speaking of the three very different styles and some people really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:21   like Aston Martin think about their glee in some people really like about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:24   Mustangs and Aston Martins don't appeal to them the same thing with Ferrari like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:28   not every style appeals to every person and when I look at this time I try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:33   say is is it would appeal to somebody and I think it was like power tools you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:38   know or maybe maybe a combination of mike l being in like Dewalt power tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:44   or something like there is a sort of rugged do reverie granddaddy kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:48   athletic here that might actually be appealing to some people and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:53   there's more of them than are the people who want everything I would say Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:56   in car manufacturer analogy is closest like Aston Martin but people do like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4256">TS</a>]

01:11:00   Mustangs have boulders and flares and nostrils and all sorts of weird rude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:05   things so I'm not entirely sure if this is actually even though it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:11   different than the estimate that we like her Apple is it really unappealing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:15   everybody I mean at the very least hear your phone will sit flat on the table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:20   first of all I think if Dewalt designed a battery case they might have only 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:24   but if they did it would be way better looking than this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:28   secondly I would far rather have a Corvette than this and even look usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:33   have you seen the back of the current one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   pretty rough but have you seen this I mean if the battery is it's it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:40   it's growing on me it's growing on me at this when I look at the bank was now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:43   start thinking it looks like the interior space station sent from 1970 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:48   wow wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   take a bunch of these big news in miniature like take a bunch of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53   erase the Apple logo and line them up to make like a hallway like these that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:59   is from a sci-fi movie they're like they're like little bulging random but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:03   what I've heard from I think this article like don't get the white one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:06   people I know you know we've talked to Casey about this but I quite looks good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:11   in some time some things but something you're gonna hold is going to get dirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:15   and gross really fast like there's no avoiding it will be panel our phones all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:19   the time we put them in pockets to put them in person who put them down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:21   tables do not get the white one unless unless you're ok with the fact that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:24   that's going to not look like Apple's product shots for more than like a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:29   it was at Christina's who said like it was discolored after like one day I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:33   how can you not like it is it is it is magical bright white it's a white world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:38   white nothing will stay if you touch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:41   sorry even like porcelain is made of flying China would eventually get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:47   but this is this is will not call ya but also we have to talk about we have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:53   of updates all the things get updated to care now we could it enumerates them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:58   everything to say about them we got i OS 9.2 is there anything noteworthy there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:03   updated my devices and did not notice anything and didn't recall seeing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:07   when she was a you that was very upset about the Done button in Safari Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:13   ViewController upset like keeping it moving stuff around like I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:19   it's better or worse than the other place at six the actual thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:23   drives me nuts about smart of you controllers is as soon as you scroll at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:26   scrunched up and hides and you have to do something else to make it appear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:29   again before you can dismiss it that is the maddening family care where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:33   button is because they are going to depend on one hand holding the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:36   with or whatever like there is no right position for the Done button and maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:41   think what did they move it may be there were like well that's like with it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:44   one is like an offside and even though this isn't a right to left navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:48   the thing that makes it go away should be a left turn up the ride I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:52   that thing was but the bottom line is it still disappears as you start date and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:57   that is the real 30 criminal act and not the position of the done by me but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4437">TS</a>]

01:14:04   know the only thing I notice so far I've heard from a couple Apple people here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:09   there that these were all pretty pretty substantial bugfix updates and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:13   good to hear you know kind of like when there is a significant update that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:18   appears to contain nothing new but is likely because that usually means a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:24   of bug fixes I would like to see them the change knows though like that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:27   I was looking for like shit show me all the bugs but they didn't think so now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:31   improves performance and stability and they're not going to tell you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:34   here's five hundred bugs that we fixed it news releases because they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:39   gonna make themselves look bad they do say some things like that you know fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:43   this I feel like you know fix the bug caused whatever and whatever application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:47   something really obscure that could you get a list that are you not listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:51   the other things that are equal in obscurity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:54   I didn't quite understand the political machine that determines what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4494">TS</a>]

01:15:00   things being released because I do seized up the sometimes it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:03   like performance-enhancing drugs is like some very specific things that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:06   makes me think is there nothing else in that same specificity of this release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:10   surely there is i think it's a very sleepy are massaged to be very first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:19   a very passive like you know fixes an issue in which certain people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:24   affected by a certain you know we're behavior it's the used worrying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:29   freezing to be just very passive very like this is kind of happened to us you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:35   know it's it's PR it's all PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:40   yeah I agree John I didn't notice anything I've updated my iPad and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:44   iPhone and iPhone updated my watch haven't noticed anything there so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:49   we got their last 10 10 11 to update which those results also like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:55   like hey we added some pics for some bug in mail is something but I saw you Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4555">TS</a>]

01:16:00   asking on Twitter into the void did they fix like USB audio USB stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:06   specifically related audio and you got did you get any answers about that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:11   tipster said that that it was like they were there there are a lot of problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:15   in our cap so far regarding the USB stack and as it relates to audio devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:20   where a lot of times and I talked to a few people into this happens to them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:23   it isn't just me or a lot of times I will have my audio device that I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:28   play music through whatever just stopped working completely just like music just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:33   stops playing if you hit play and iTunes the time of the advanced like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:37   even getting to the point of sending the buffer out and a new trial excited for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:41   different sound output devices and Mike it fails or you can select one or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:45   disappears for a while and oftentimes fixed by just waiting like 10 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4605">TS</a>]

01:16:51   oftentimes fixed by rebooting very very strange apparently the the you the USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:56   stack had a lot of changes done enough and so I've heard from various people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4616">TS</a>]

01:17:01   including including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:02   hipster that that has been now fixed in the dot to release its at radii haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:08   actually thought it but I'm gonna start after the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:11   do you have these problems only on your computer which is festooned with German [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:15   audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:18   I'm wondering if it's like you because you're exercising both the USB subsystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:23   and the audio component of that more than I am but I've had the RUC problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:27   but I also do almost zero things involving USB all I do is like a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:31   times we have played in my USB mic to this one Mac and that's it everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:35   else is not I'm not unplug and plug things that don't have any other USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:39   audio gear except this Mike and I have had no problems I'm wondering if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:42   because like you feel like you're actually use using the USB stack in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:48   much more thorough way that I N during his problems I guess your control group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:52   would be like this computer if she's not messing with maybe she has made you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:57   you too can you tell if that's because you are actually doing USB and audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4677">TS</a>]

01:18:02   stuff that's causing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:03   the problem is the bug journeys reproducible just like kinda happens out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:07   of nowhere you know maybe once a week or every few days so it gets there's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:12   any one thing that seems to trigger it so I have no idea but hopefully it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:16   fixed and i'm looking forward to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4696">TS</a>]

01:18:19   to seeing it is fixed at El Capitan very good for me it has not had any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:26   real problems to speak but that's been embedded in a pretty annoying one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:30   think I've seen more people like everyone somehow something will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:33   across my tourist re-emerge something I'm blogging area my Apple should do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4713">TS</a>]

01:18:36   snow leopard lace or they just fix things are never as like to do that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:41   10 11 is very as we talked about very snowy liberty where they didn't spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:47   lot of time on big new features they tried to do bug fixes discovery d kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:51   of messed that up a little bit here we are 10112 not too long after 10 11 by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:57   the time the point to release comes to have dealt with the discovered he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4737">TS</a>]

01:19:02   granted which was hanging from your semi that was like oh they didn't fix I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:05   very quickly took a long time to explain away but I'm telling him to come down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:10   fourth time of saying that the major problems that were in 10 11 20 perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:16   seem to have been a dress that's a reasonable timeline for almost any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:20   these is by the point to three or four most of the stuff should be shipping out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:25   and the point for it like back in the day when he was 18 months or two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:29   places but if if it turns out that ten eleven jus got the really big issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:35   aside from the odd stuff which really has more to do with the server and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:38   architecture and they can actually fixed by updating the OS what you said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:42   anyway aside from that they really have shaken everything out that I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:47   that is fully on a snow leopard e-type schedule people forget the snow leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:51   had some weird stuff in the 10 60 as well like everybody's does so I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:57   very happy with all CAPS so far I upgraded everything on the day was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:01   released I am while the point updates I haven't regretted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:04   experience and no weirdness anywhere again other than I cloud stuff which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:08   really like anything that involves servers I don't blame you entirely for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:13   that and really I mean honestly like it in for a while the max kind of felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:18   neglected because I was taking all the glory on the time I'll do stuff and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:23   Apple started doing these like massive changes to the MAC Tournament in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:28   lion error and forward from that and it just are getting really weird and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:34   bad and then you had like I think you are somebody was kind of the peak of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:39   Apple not only doing patent mediocre ideas on a lot of the Mac stuff but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:45   starting to have really bad execution of a lot of it where is a so lucky and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:49   many problems that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:51   Leopard and Lion both had bad implications of everything to ensure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:55   fairness ok maybe just the odd releases but I feel like now we're going to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4855">TS</a>]

01:21:00   point where the the neglect in favor of working on iOS is actually helping the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:07   Mac most of the time because now it's like you can leave us alone and stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:14   touching things and let us do our work on this pretty stable platform and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:19   can go have your fun and iOS and we have to wait we have to watch out for is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:24   they do one of these like kind of drive-by rewrites discovery D was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:29   this USB subsystem in all caps seems to have been one certainly the disk utility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:34   in all caps 1 like they can do these drive-by rewrites where they for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:39   reason they decide something needs to be dramatically rewritten or refractory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:43   designer ever and they do like an 80 percent job of it and then they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:47   move on to other things and it leaves us this subsystem broken for awhile as long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:52   as we can minimize those times where that happens and they're leaving us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:57   mostly alone on the Mac I'm ok with that I like this is where we get our work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4917">TS</a>]

01:22:02   done but this is this please don't mess it up please just leave us alone let it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:11   keep working please stop updating it every year and please doctor and two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:15   major like massive shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:17   just please well like I said they're not doing those majorettes for their health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:22   like they're doing them for a reason and the only difference is they just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:26   actually execute well like I have launched his example in the path of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:32   why the hell you replacing an it perfectly fine like every unit used it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:35   why do you think that your own thing is like second system syndromes creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:38   bunch these awesome right and once he was buggy at first too but they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:42   they did it because the existing thing that filled that role didn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:46   features they need it does they they executed it well enough that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:50   have to roll it back I know it's a low bar back most people didn't even notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:56   it except for the fact that I wrote about a mile to a standard user like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:59   lunch deal with that but I can tell you the original version much he had tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:03   bugs but they got it done well enough and they move for another example is i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:08   cum services which has had bugs I don't know how many fourteen years like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:12   they're mostly cosmetic maybe that's why they didn't get fixed but I can services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:17   would like corrupts cashes in some weird way and all your dock icons or shop all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:21   crazy and pixelated for just years and years and years and it's like obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:24   this isn't a quick bucks I'll be there is something architectural a wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:27   icon services and someone needs to go in there with the big wire brush and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:31   all right what the hell is going on I can services let me deal with this let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:35   me fix it and that took so many years to happen and honestly I wish they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:39   tackled that sooner sometimes you have a subsystem they did it because it's super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:43   old and crusty and it's not even yours maybe it's like BS decode leftover and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:46   God knows when or because the first guy took a pass out at a crappy job and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:50   know you wanna take another a second run out and do a better job that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:53   have to do that the job of a slew of the core OS group I want them to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:57   doing that I just want them to do a better job like and I think they do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5037">TS</a>]

01:24:01   good job almost all the time and those term use I applauded the car esther was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:05   a great example see guys chorus is rewriting major components and doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:09   good job and improving things and fixing their bugs and Europe year making things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:13   better netting features why doesn't everybody else like say on the GUI TMR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:16   ever do that you know and the answer is like they have other other stakeholders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:20   let's say like people who care about aesthetics market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:23   in branding whereas people doing lunch D have nobody worried about ethics or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:27   branding anything like that but anyway I'm telling favor of them continuing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:32   look at their OS two side but subsystems are really do for you there are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:39   thorough spring cleaning or maybe a complete replacement with something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:42   you just have to do it well enough that you don't have to roll it back when Vint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:46   Cerf complains about like I felt that the that's a low bar but that isn'ta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:53   given no I mean like I think modern apple with this incredibly relentless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:59   annual release schedule of everything all these different product lines that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:03   keep expanding at the even more product lines and having the engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:06   resources spread incredibly thin and constant moving around between things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:10   feel like what we what we keep seeing from Apple is that they they don't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:16   to be incredibly good anymore at doing these big rewrites of subsystems are big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:22   new initiatives like their record is pretty bad weather they screwed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:27   besides the sky every day Apple music is a big one like the USB one I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:31   success especially at this point to like if you haven't like a big refactoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:37   and a big changes to of major subsystem and you get all the kinks worked out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:41   a point to like that's probably pretty much all you can hope for like it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:45   a pretty good job I I still have faith in those groups to be able to do is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:50   the early schedule you can debate about that but really if they're competent I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:54   think they mostly are all yearly schedule does is push push feature that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5154">TS</a>]

01:26:00   take more than one release out farther because every release has a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:02   amount of overhead associated with it and the more releases you have it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:06   say you want to do a feature and like I know this features too big to fit into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   one release them but you don't you think of something else I know this feature is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:13   too big to fit into one release how do I do this project at Apple and I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:18   you can do that probably just fine you just have to have been a multi-year plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:21   if you think a year and a half we're not going to cut it released in the year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:24   a half years going to be in the two-year once you know this the overhead of each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:28   release the dads to just you know is just overhead just adds to the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:32   everybody has to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:33   and then your schedule just get pushed out really early releases is simply a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:38   matter of good management software they can what's above the line what's below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:44   the line what fits in this really what what doesn't and if you do a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:47   done keeping things in and putting them out i mean you could even say discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:50   he was the problem of that and not as if they did a bad job discovered even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:52   during the meetings when they say what's in and what's that pretend 10 someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:57   should have said we really want to do launched in this discovery in this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5217">TS</a>]

01:27:00   but it's it's not just not yet it booted to 10 11 12 you just keep taking it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:05   the road like that in the exercise you could have it till you get down to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:09   certain point where the overhead dwarfs the amount of time you have you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:12   have six months releases if you want it it's all just a matter of how you draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:15   the line for you know sort of project manager parlance what's in and what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:18   out for the way to go what's the radio was not ready to go so I think having an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:23   organization that discipline in that way I think like a tributary Creek they read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:29   your whoever like they went from the sort of loosey-goosey artistic will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:34   release TOS when it's ready Steve Jobs kind of let's figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:38   type of thing too much more regimented we're going to put ourselves on a yearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:42   schedule we're gonna be disciplined about that it's that is much more sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:45   of you know a business 101 like we should be able to do this if we if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:52   are inefficient good organization it shouldn't be like well I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:55   know in the next coming out it whenever it's done and you know well the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:59   has taken some time with leopards gonna be a little later released every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:02   and stuff doesn't make it doesn't make it but you know the train is leaving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5282">TS</a>]

01:28:05   station with or without you I think doing that inside Apple was a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:09   good decision they're just working on like what needs to fit in it and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:14   releases and what else get updated watching updated big news actually that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:21   is sort of big news real-time follow up for myself I didn't notice any watch OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:27   updates except I went to kick off the workflow I have to tell Aaron I'm on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:33   way home so this is using the workflow app and it will figure out the driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:37   time from where I am to the house and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:39   you up a text message for Aaron saying I'll be home in like 15 minutes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:43   whatever they used to be on the watch that I would kick off that workflow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:48   I would have to do handoff to actually send the text message but now I can run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:53   that workflow and it is capable sending the text message from the watch which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:56   super exciting I know you're I know you're both really happy that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5336">TS</a>]

01:29:01   has changed to watch it they take so long my questions such a small device at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:06   a store what is it doing honestly I think it's because the watch is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:11   really slow I mean CPU I seems to be roughly one level of an iPhone 3G s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:17   if you look you look at like deep bench iOS benchmarks by keeping standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5357">TS</a>]

01:29:23   iPhone 3G s is about 16 times lower than iPhone success if you think about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:29   the kind of thing it's doing it's running on president at sixteen times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:36   lower than we're accustomed to now granted it's a simple OS I'm sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:40   patching process simpler etcetera but keep that in mind as the baseline of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:45   like everything that it does it has to Pacha CPU is going through something 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:49   times lower than iPhone success story started going to be slower to I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:53   what the bottleneck is the bottleneck the CPU is about storage help maybe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:57   politics ran for all we know yet and it could be any good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5397">TS</a>]

01:29:57   politics ran for all we know yet and it could be any good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5397">TS</a>]

01:30:00   the wireless connection of receiving the update from who knows what it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5400">TS</a>]

01:30:03   things but I think primarily it's because the CPUs you so incredibly slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5403">TS</a>]

01:30:08   but mostly I honestly like your thinking about like there's there's been rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5408">TS</a>]

01:30:12   of the second watch coming out possibly even as soon as the spring that radical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:18   since last we came out last spring and there there's been rumors about what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:23   might be the biggest one is that it might have FaceTime camera which sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5423">TS</a>]

01:30:27   terrible to me honestly it sound like you would want to be on either end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:31   that conversation but it is what is a little bit disappointing is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:36   haven't heard anything about it being faster all the rumors are about facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5436">TS</a>]

01:30:39   cameras on wifi abilities and I hope they can make it faster because I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5439">TS</a>]

01:30:45   lot of trouble figuring out like how to really use the waters beyond the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:49   face anything involving apps or even glance on the watch I have gotten very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:53   little in to end and part of it is because it's just so incredibly slow to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:57   do pretty much anything so if the watch gets a lot faster over the next few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5457">TS</a>]

01:31:03   years I think that will change what we can do with it dramatically I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:07   will really make a lot more useful for a lot of different like third-party app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:11   abilities were right now you do anything on the watch right now and it's takes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:17   long that you're taking up my phone for that kind of sad that the watch like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:22   if the washer to come out an error before my iPhone 6 caliber devices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:26   are just so much fast there maybe wouldn't have as much as compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5486">TS</a>]

01:31:29   what I was I was going to make the comparison the iPhone memory iPhone came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:32   out it was a responsive but was it really compared to a net people to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:35   videos like here's an iPhone 1 vs 16 and what's your response and they really did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:40   do an amazing job at keeping the iPhone responses but it seems like they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5500">TS</a>]

01:31:45   couldn't they couldn't get that kind of perceptive you know received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:49   responsiveness in the water just because you're always constantly comparing it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:52   your iPhone 6 which is a bazillion times more powerful yet especially watch get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:58   in the first time doing that the remote app thing that just made it even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5518">TS</a>]

01:32:00   so you write the watch does the watch feel slow although when I think of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:04   oh the next version of the watch and we talked about that thank you for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:08   watch need to be as far as I'm concerned other than software being faster thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:14   just seems like this should be an apples wheelhouse like they're good at making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:17   things right and and never will be but maybe not in the next version right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:23   eventually be thinner so we can look forward to the the the Apple watch for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:27   that is thinner and faster and now we really started talking and still doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5547">TS</a>]

01:32:33   necessarily mean you know having spent time with the washing everything I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:37   am not entirely convinced that there is a way you know no matter how fast it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5557">TS</a>]

01:32:42   that there is something useful you can do it to watch that is happy in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5562">TS</a>]

01:32:46   way that the phone things are happy I I mostly think of it as I would like to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:51   near a device or into a room or into a place or at a certain time and have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5571">TS</a>]

01:32:58   watch look and behave differently based on that so I don't have to mess with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5578">TS</a>]

01:33:03   mostly the thing I do is look at the watch and when I look at it because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:08   your area or what time it is or what has happened somewhere else it shows me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5588">TS</a>]

01:33:14   something that is useful right whether it's a sit down in front of my TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:18   pick up my rest and I can talk into it uses a series that are hard to find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:23   remote or like when it's time to go I just look at my watch and it tells me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5603">TS</a>]

01:33:27   the proactive traffic thing like I'm not getting into touching my watch i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:31   swiping on it I'm not using digital crown on that pushing buttons are gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:35   just pushing buttons like the one interaction that are alike with it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:38   double tap and use it as the two do Apple pay cause I don't have to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:42   the watch that I can feel for the buck double tap that I'm still underneath the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5622">TS</a>]

01:33:46   sleep in my code I can even see it with it so far that is the most convincing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:51   interacts with the washer me and I like like you Marco I'm never like I'm never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:57   using that interface with like as if it's tiny phone even even for like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5637">TS</a>]

01:34:02   seconds no I mean to me I agree with everything you basically said it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5642">TS</a>]

01:34:07   whenever I'm using the watch it is mostly about quickly glancing at it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:13   the watch to tell me something I am hardly ever touching the watch interact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:17   with it on any level really and if I am and maybe one tap or something it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:21   know very little because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5661">TS</a>]

01:34:22   if you're going to use the watch for more than about three seconds to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:27   anything it feel like a failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:28   feels like oh I I kind of regret that I should have gone to my phone for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5668">TS</a>]

01:34:32   oftentimes you don't need to I mean oftentimes one who like so much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5672">TS</a>]

01:34:36   the watch is getting notifications on it but a lot of times I have to take my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5676">TS</a>]

01:34:41   phone anyway to act on those indications or to even read the whole thing so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:48   a little bit of a mix peg leg it is nice in theory and sometimes it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5688">TS</a>]

01:34:53   really nice but in practice I have to keep taking my phone out anyway the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:58   the watch can do faster for you without you text me to do anything to it and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:03   you do need to touch it the more can do in very fast response to that sucks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5703">TS</a>]

01:35:08   better it is as a product and it doesn't feel like an app platform in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5708">TS</a>]

01:35:13   traditional way at all it feels like Apple tried to wedge in a platform onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5713">TS</a>]

01:35:17   it and maybe they just didn't realize how it wouldn't really work I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:23   have to give those capabilities even if those apps like things were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:27   about could be powered by apps apps are given sufficient powers I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5727">TS</a>]

01:35:31   kind of like you just have to make the API and see if someone you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:35   don't know what's going to be like without you don't know what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:39   people who make good that Apple is predicted like an angry bird style game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:44   would be such a big hit because the touch controls on plane back to little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5744">TS</a>]

01:35:46   slingshot and everything you just have to kind of get smart to make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5746">TS</a>]

01:35:49   platform whether you could figure out what's going to be the at the work on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:54   or not the more capabilities give people you know no try everything things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:59   don't work like it's not gonna hear back someone tried it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:01   sale by its good to have a big open space to experiment it could be that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:06   ends up the none of those things work or could be the Apple has exposed the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:09   capabilities to the apps like if you can imagine a much more powerful watch that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:14   gives Absa wariness of like where you are if you're near Apple TV or like sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:19   of background I processing so that third party apps could do any of those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:23   that I assist ride than third party app so have the capability to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:27   what people do and don't want from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5787">TS</a>]

01:36:29   and you know like I think if you don't make it a platform that it's coming on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:34   Apple to figure out every possible thing you could do with useful if you do make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:37   it a platform everybody can try all sorts of things most of which were fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:40   and she will figure out what's good for I think so I think it was smart to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:43   it a platform but so far everything people tried including Apple has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:47   like no that's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:49   keep keep trying to the custom complications I think was a fairly big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:52   success because those are things that you know you glance at it tell you stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5812">TS</a>]

01:36:56   but that's a very small success so we're still kind of waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5816">TS</a>]

01:37:00   yeah my update on by the way not being a white person you know I just only things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:05   on my wrist and the winter's made it worse because now I have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:09   heavier coat that I kind of interferes with you know that the heavier coat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5829">TS</a>]

01:37:13   sleeves and anything long sleeved is not that pleasant and gloves and over and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:20   guess is making it more annoying so I had a couple of days over the past few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:23   weeks when I realized I never looked at my watch I put it on the morning to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:27   to work at took it off and homework and during the entire time at work but never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:31   vibrated I never looked at it I guess I ignored the stand things or maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:36   didn't feel the more I don't know why did you even put it onto a CD and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:40   at it and so now I have it feels really uncomfortable when Jack in my clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5860">TS</a>]

01:37:45   and i know i had days where did it all go now a few days I've decided you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5865">TS</a>]

01:37:50   I'm not wearing today so I don't know if I'm slowly like a again it doesn't take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:54   much to make me not wanna wear it because I am so not a watch person so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:59   may that's my new thing now instead of putting on every time I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:03   sometimes I remember to put it on and I choose not to so that's you know I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:08   as bad for the watch I was not a wise person and the operation make me a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:12   person I still think it looks nice I still like wearing it sometimes if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:16   going to like go out on the town or walk around the city or go I would definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:20   wear it because I think it would earn its keep then but four days when I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5900">TS</a>]

01:38:25   can't get into the office and center front of my computer all day and come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:27   home sometimes it doesn't earn its keep yeah I'm gonna see I I mention I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5907">TS</a>]

01:38:32   getting a mechanical watch this Christmas and I'm gonna try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5912">TS</a>]

01:38:36   at day today for a while and just see like you know my eye I do like having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:42   walk a lot now but I don't know if I like it just because I like the fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:47   ability and time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:48   aspects of it but I'm a special staring at like you look at the operator screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:52   all day at the times that you're hiding the menu bar and noticed an enduring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:56   that are you know but I'm not only have my computer I wish I was but somehow I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5936">TS</a>]

01:39:02   think you're Irish picture where is my car right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:05   computer I wish your in line for tickets out sometimes and if its new york online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:12   yeah yeah but no I mean the reality is you know I have a lifetime ban around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5952">TS</a>]

01:39:19   every family have a house in order to get your hands out every day so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5959">TS</a>]

01:39:23   what time it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5963">TS</a>]

01:39:24   yeah I'm not around a lot and I i have been totally converted now I love having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:28   the time of my wrist and do that yet rated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5968">TS</a>]

01:39:32   totally new idea yeah so I love that now but I i'm gona C cos there's also a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:39   about the Apple I don't really care for and so I'm gonna see like you know I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5979">TS</a>]

01:39:44   i watch person or online a polite person so I now know that if this week we think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:52   they said Rep response this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5992">TS</a>]

01:39:54   Backblaze casper and Squarespace and we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5994">TS</a>]

01:40:00   now the show they didn't even mean to begin accidental accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:11   case because it was accidental and Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6011">TS</a>]

01:40:59   I'm going to assume Marco you did not get $40 timex what is it Speedmaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6059">TS</a>]

01:41:05   whatever it is that I used to wear No [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:07   you know that would be more intelligent thing to do if you want to just try out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6067">TS</a>]

01:41:10   wearing a large shopping and Mike tiffany's there it's jewellery and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:17   jewellery as people tell me I mispronounce it maybe there's one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:20   to enter anyway yeah you're shopping for a lot of the shop is like I find these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6080">TS</a>]

01:41:27   watches are you never gonna buy you gonna find one that looks nice to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:31   and then after that it's like ok looks nice but is it terribly uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:34   nowhere and so on and so forth but yeah and honestly I I have found very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6094">TS</a>]

01:41:38   watches in like most likely the big brands like Rolex immediately there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:44   very few of those that i've seen that I thought I would like that forever reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6104">TS</a>]

01:41:51   it most well-respected mechanical watches just their design aesthetics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:57   does not mess with me at all like I I just don't get it you know it doesn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6117">TS</a>]

01:42:01   anything for me a lot of them they seem like they're like made for like diving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6121">TS</a>]

01:42:06   there's so many of these big one of these like 10 mechanical watches that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6126">TS</a>]

01:42:11   are just like made for a like racing and diving and stuff like that their boats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:16   are really made for that well but they look like that maybe people who would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6136">TS</a>]

01:42:19   like to think of themselves as someone who might go racing or dive but never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:23   actually well right but then they have all this garbage all over the face and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6143">TS</a>]

01:42:27   it's like i don't know what that I i want something that just looks nice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6147">TS</a>]

01:42:30   simple it's like the non-functional hood scoop on cars everything has connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:37   to anything was like if you had something that you know to have fresh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6157">TS</a>]

01:42:40   air forced into it that might make your engine more powerful you don't have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6160">TS</a>]

01:42:44   of those but we can put a hold your head anyway and you'll feel cool so the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:47   that I was referring to the cheapo watch that you should get is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6167">TS</a>]

01:42:51   Speedmaster I'm tryna get angry emails about that it's the Timex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:55   weekender and I will put a link into the chat in the show notes this is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6175">TS</a>]

01:43:00   used to wear not this exact but not this band but it was the same face this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:04   used to watch it's a delightful simple classic watch that's honestly that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6184">TS</a>]

01:43:10   nice I like that it's $25 in like the band the band is techno the band is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6190">TS</a>]

01:43:15   terrible i different than the interface is nice it's a nice watch so you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6195">TS</a>]

01:43:19   try out your new found love of something else that's expensive in frivolous with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6199">TS</a>]

01:43:25   this $25 watch but now because it's Marco you gonna get something expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6205">TS</a>]

01:43:29   in frivolous that's right all those big expensive I specimens like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:33   Casey did like the style for many fancy watches has just been to like to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:39   just giant hunks of metal like I already find anything I marathon comfortable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:44   you just gonna make it worse by being filled it really heavy like hard jagged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6224">TS</a>]

01:43:49   lumpy medal just came to think about and and I have to risk and have weird shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:56   wrist watches enough sooner by a pocket watch you know what I would buy a pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6236">TS</a>]

01:44:01   watch a play which is another reference you guys don't get I would buy that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:04   I would not buy regular watch and we all have our vices and yeah I guess Mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:10   Anderson in here in need of another one did you figure out headphones now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6250">TS</a>]

01:44:13   think about coffee figure out headphones may need some historic on the hunt for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:16   headphones never satisfied so he's a new one comes out here we think this promise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:20   maybe this will be the one that is lighter than my other phone but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6260">TS</a>]

01:44:23   sounds good but has a better record that doesn't flake out but this but that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:27   like me and toasters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6267">TS</a>]

01:44:27   like me and toasters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/6267">TS</a>]

00:00:00   the only question is are we gonna make Brent Simmons angry with the comma [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/0">TS</a>]

00:00:03   splice in Haryana battery you can make it a semicolon you can make it a period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3">TS</a>]

00:00:08   when you leave another comment the comma splice but I do like it's an informal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/8">TS</a>]

00:00:11   and since it is a someone speaking you could consider it someone speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/11">TS</a>]

00:00:15   sometimes people speak and things that are not sentences I definitely would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/15">TS</a>]

00:00:19   do a semicolon because that's just is wrong I mean I know it's Brantley right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/19">TS</a>]

00:00:23   but I just hate them like as unprincipled like ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/23">TS</a>]

00:00:27   not never but it takes a lot to be really really worth it what does it take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/27">TS</a>]

00:00:33   to really be the right thing to use their and like there has to be no good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/33">TS</a>]

00:00:38   alternatives like that's why I really rarely use semicolons they don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/38">TS</a>]

00:00:42   them so that every period Harry M paradigm but I just leave us a comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/42">TS</a>]

00:00:46   that you have two periods and hearing Empyrean about a period since I also so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/46">TS</a>]

00:00:52   what does leave the comment there was a dare brain to go ahead and get us the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/52">TS</a>]

00:00:58   entire internet wrote in to tell us that there is already a lightning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/58">TS</a>]

00:01:03   headphone jack adapter which is not at all useful if you're anywhere other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/63">TS</a>]

00:01:07   your death but in the defense of the entire internet we were talking mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/67">TS</a>]

00:01:11   about using this sort of adapter of work is used to Pakistan music all day long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/71">TS</a>]

00:01:17   Apple sells a lightning to headphone jack adapter with Pastor lightning for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/77">TS</a>]

00:01:23   charging it's the $40 lightning dock which I believe came out recently didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/83">TS</a>]

00:01:27   but that's got like a deck in it and that's for like the digital the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30   headphones it take digital audio over the lighting like it's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/90">TS</a>]

00:01:33   relevant were discussing which was that they replaced the headphone jack with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/93">TS</a>]

00:01:36   lightning port and still wanted to support regular plain old analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/96">TS</a>]

00:01:40   headphones with it with an adapter that did not require you know any signal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/100">TS</a>]

00:01:45   conversion just you know being a medal passed through to the the audio pins of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/105">TS</a>]

00:01:51   the head and that's not what the lighting doctors so how would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/111">TS</a>]

00:01:56   describe lightning dock instead then it it is basically a thing to let you both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/116">TS</a>]

00:02:03   plug in the current crop of lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/123">TS</a>]

00:02:06   potable headphones and also a charter the same one way or another this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/126">TS</a>]

00:02:11   the sort of thing that we would expect one to take running around with them as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/131">TS</a>]

00:02:15   they're trying to use the to adapt Lightning to a regular headphone jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/135">TS</a>]

00:02:19   this would serve the purpose for desk use but not for mobile use and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/139">TS</a>]

00:02:26   mostly what we were talking about last episode but yes we wanted to publicly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/146">TS</a>]

00:02:30   acknowledge on behalf of the entire internet who wrote into us that we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/150">TS</a>]

00:02:34   aware that the success so Eric Michaels over had a little bit of feedback with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/154">TS</a>]

00:02:41   regard to see why else you would want to use the lightning port for audio he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/161">TS</a>]

00:02:45   pointed out that noise cancelling headphones don't need their own battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/165">TS</a>]

00:02:49   or any other charging mechanism because they can just draw power right off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/169">TS</a>]

00:02:54   lightning port much like a pencil doesn't mean I want to like do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/174">TS</a>]

00:02:58   really want your noise cancelling headphones sucking power from your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/178">TS</a>]

00:03:01   maybe maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03   extra battery power and the phones might as well use it practically bursting out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/183">TS</a>]

00:03:08   of the phone is so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/188">TS</a>]

00:03:09   well played [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/189">TS</a>]

00:03:12   get there and then I have no idea who were attributing this to a max called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/192">TS</a>]

00:03:19   Amex ok and he or she said that USB Type C already supports analog audio check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/199">TS</a>]

00:03:26   out Appendix A in the spec and we will link to the spectrum show notes John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/206">TS</a>]

00:03:30   believe you folded some passages here would like to share that with the group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/210">TS</a>]

00:03:33   that aspect by the way the PDF like relating to the page that has the PDF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/213">TS</a>]

00:03:37   download the PDF and find this been in Appendix A [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   you will find that comes out of his last time I like I said one of the advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/219">TS</a>]

00:03:46   of lightning is that if Apple wants to add support for plain old analog audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/226">TS</a>]

00:03:51   either by adding this to weird side context that I seem to remember seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/231">TS</a>]

00:03:55   someone I still can't find or just by repurposing the pins be the whole deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/235">TS</a>]

00:03:58   with lightning as you can use a different things for different purposes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   not sort of hard wired so to speak to do a particular thing that Apple has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/240">TS</a>]

00:04:07   flexibility to wait for the USB committee or whatever to agree but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/247">TS</a>]

00:04:10   turns out USBC already supports analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/250">TS</a>]

00:04:13   I should have figured that since it's an old standard if you have your USB see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/253">TS</a>]

00:04:20   connector and audio adapter accessory mode it just takes a certain number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/260">TS</a>]

00:04:24   pins in the USB uses them for the same exact signals takeover 3159 headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/264">TS</a>]

00:04:28   jack so that's already support years BC and the other thing I found that I USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/268">TS</a>]

00:04:32   relevant our conversation last time about whether Apple was all in lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/272">TS</a>]

00:04:35   or they were going to eventually switched to ABC NBC is bigger than my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/275">TS</a>]

00:04:40   shows how many years BC device I have in my house I'm pretty sure I have zero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/280">TS</a>]

00:04:44   maybe I have won let her know about it somewhere but I don't have an idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/284">TS</a>]

00:04:48   what they like but looking it up online afterwards he just bc is slightly bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/288">TS</a>]

00:04:51   and that pretty much dooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   never switch to it because they're going to be like well lighting is smaller so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/293">TS</a>]

00:04:58   we have a special I think so I think we're in it for the long haul for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/298">TS</a>]

00:05:03   lightning even though USBC apparently already supports and all I've got a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/303">TS</a>]

00:05:07   could definitely make that passive connector thing for old style headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/307">TS</a>]

00:05:11   if you're using your SBC exxon speaking of USB and in this case USB 3 we are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/311">TS</a>]

00:05:18   getting usb3 speeds from the new lightning testy to sdcard camera reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/318">TS</a>]

00:05:23   that came out just in the last couple of days we record and for the iPad pro you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/323">TS</a>]

00:05:29   get the USB 3 speeds on that that's pretty exciting I've never actually used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/329">TS</a>]

00:05:33   when these two does have one of them I have two USB one which I used for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/333">TS</a>]

00:05:37   audio purposes which is actually it's totally undocumented thing they can do i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/337">TS</a>]

00:05:43   plug in a lot of USB audio interfaces to it and have different sound to put your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/343">TS</a>]

00:05:47   outlets for your iOS devices and actually has more than iPhones and iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/347">TS</a>]

00:05:50   basically forever but my father and I used the sdcard one for a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/350">TS</a>]

00:05:56   on his iPad it's it was fine it was ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/356">TS</a>]

00:06:00   interests me most about these USB 3 speed and iPad Pro is for people like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/360">TS</a>]

00:06:06   maybe I'm wearing this who still hook up their iOS devices to one of their big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/366">TS</a>]

00:06:10   computers and do an encrypted local backup instead of just relying on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/370">TS</a>]

00:06:14   iCloud backup it takes so long to do it speeds so like eight USB 3 speeds when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/374">TS</a>]

00:06:20   doing a local backup to my computer through iTunes I would really appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/380">TS</a>]

00:06:23   that even for my dinky 32 and 64 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/383">TS</a>]

00:06:26   devices let alone 128 gig iPad 40 so I'm assuming you have on Marco I'm assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/386">TS</a>]

00:06:31   the if you were to hook it up to your Mac with the USB cable would still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/391">TS</a>]

00:06:35   USB two speeds as far as I know but I think all the existing lightning to USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/395">TS</a>]

00:06:39   cables I think I'll USB two cables so I I don't think that's doable yet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/399">TS</a>]

00:06:45   hopefully over time they will be solved just in time for people to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/405">TS</a>]

00:06:48   overthinking things that computers well I don't have you ever stopped because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/408">TS</a>]

00:06:52   like as people who've ever restored from iCloud can attest such a super pain oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/412">TS</a>]

00:06:56   yeah I will still do it and it will still do it but you know I think we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   we are already in the extreme minority there but that's the accessory lady [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/419">TS</a>]

00:07:04   release forget about this whole you know like the exciting thing was like wow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/424">TS</a>]

00:07:08   lightning port supports USB 3 speeds but only in the iPad pro and surely that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/428">TS</a>]

00:07:12   will trickle down and that'll be great but I don't want St card reader I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/432">TS</a>]

00:07:15   thing that plugs into my computer for it if what it's worth I actually put this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/435">TS</a>]

00:07:19   on my Christmas list for this year I don't know if I would necessarily it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/439">TS</a>]

00:07:24   know it's it's a great gift because it's a sort of thing I wouldn't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   buy for myself but hey if somebody handed it to me that'd be pretty awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/446">TS</a>]

00:07:29   in the reason I want one is because there are probably going to come times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/449">TS</a>]

00:07:34   when I'm traveling with our Micro Four Thirds camera I didn't decide to bring a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/454">TS</a>]

00:07:38   laptop with me and I only have my iPad and I could connect the camera to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/458">TS</a>]

00:07:43   iPad by way of wifi but it's actually surprisingly slow to do it that way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/463">TS</a>]

00:07:49   so I think it would be a lot easier to just pull the sdcard of the camera and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/469">TS</a>]

00:07:54   attach it to the iPad or phone for that matter in suck some pictures off their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/474">TS</a>]

00:07:58   that way in order to you know post on Instagram or maybe just send to friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/478">TS</a>]

00:08:02   or family or what have you so I'm curious to see if I end up getting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/482">TS</a>]

00:08:06   for Christmas and if I do I'll report back but I agree with you mark over by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/486">TS</a>]

00:08:10   and large that it's not a lot of people that would want this but I kinda want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/490">TS</a>]

00:08:13   one because I think it would be useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   kind of a testament to the crappiness of wireless we talked about the last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/495">TS</a>]

00:08:18   about like his wifi above the level of laziness but how many people use wi-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/498">TS</a>]

00:08:22   syncing to iTunes maybe that's not my wife I just like my tunes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/502">TS</a>]

00:08:26   there's so much but even like cameras you know so many cameras have wifi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/506">TS</a>]

00:08:31   stupid I thought I think like the sdcard with wi-fi built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/511">TS</a>]

00:08:35   forever and it looks like the next this one the new model is finally the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/515">TS</a>]

00:08:40   one and it never is for a bit for the cameras for the cameras that have built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/520">TS</a>]

00:08:44   in WiFi support like that's what you want you want that and you also want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/524">TS</a>]

00:08:47   work but you want until you try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   yeah I know but like what's the problem wifi itself technologically speaking is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/529">TS</a>]

00:08:54   an OK technology like you know we all use wireless devices are in our house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/534">TS</a>]

00:08:59   and they moralist maintain a connection and we get reasonable speeds based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/539">TS</a>]

00:09:03   what we think the signal strength when we have a super expensive camera 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/543">TS</a>]

00:09:07   inches away from a super expensive iPad dealing with the best way we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/547">TS</a>]

00:09:12   talk to them is to open up the camera in a little water proof or water resistant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/552">TS</a>]

00:09:15   compartment put this tiny little card played with little thing into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   Lightning poor childless just you're right there guys you both have radios [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/558">TS</a>]

00:09:22   you both like what's what's the problem here is it because camera manufacturers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/562">TS</a>]

00:09:26   don't know what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/566">TS</a>]

00:09:27   wifi stacks I don't know what the deal is but it said well they all have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/567">TS</a>]

00:09:31   own apps basically it's like like my camera's built-in wifi finally took me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/571">TS</a>]

00:09:36   years to finally get one that had that and but in order to use it I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/576">TS</a>]

00:09:39   install Sony is dumb Apple iPhone which works about a third of the time and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/579">TS</a>]

00:09:44   you do finally get to work you can I regret that you got to work till it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/584">TS</a>]

00:09:48   over and so slow and it is actually actually been faster to just take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/588">TS</a>]

00:09:54   car out of the camera and shoved into this thing is to be the wifi thing feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/594">TS</a>]

00:09:59   barbaric though taking it does hard and putting them together i think im using a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/599">TS</a>]

00:10:03   VCR but it's it's faster I fully agree my Olympus it isn't that the app is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/603">TS</a>]

00:10:10   relatively reliable but it is astonishingly slow to transfer pictures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/610">TS</a>]

00:10:17   between the camera and the and the phone or the iPad and it's very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/617">TS</a>]

00:10:21   frustrating now that the app is nice and that for general things like it'll let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/621">TS</a>]

00:10:25   me geotag based on what the phone is doing so it'll take a lot of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/625">TS</a>]

00:10:29   places I go when all the time stamp someone not mentally ill send those to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/629">TS</a>]

00:10:33   the phone and then geotag all the pictures on the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   tease me send us the camera and algae attack on the pictures on the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/635">TS</a>]

00:10:38   which I really like on the occasions were not just staying put somewhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/638">TS</a>]

00:10:43   it also lets you do you like a remote viewfinder sort of things so much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/643">TS</a>]

00:10:47   you can with the watch in the phone it'll let you take pictures remotely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/647">TS</a>]

00:10:51   which is really nice if you're too socially awkward to say to somebody hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/651">TS</a>]

00:10:55   can you take our picture but I cannot say enough how awfully slow days to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/655">TS</a>]

00:11:00   transfer pictures and because of that I agree with you mark I just end up taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/660">TS</a>]

00:11:04   the damn card out of the out of the Cameron putting it in a computer right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/664">TS</a>]

00:11:08   and we have some good news this week our long national nightmare is over and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/668">TS</a>]

00:11:15   now have an Apple Remote app for iOS that works with the new Apple TV which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/675">TS</a>]

00:11:20   would be more exciting to me if I had a new Apple TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   well we don't have a my understanding haven't tested this from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/682">TS</a>]

00:11:26   understanding is not as if they released a new version they're not up the works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/686">TS</a>]

00:11:29   that will TV it's the opposite the recently released a new version of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/689">TS</a>]

00:11:33   Apple TV iOS that makes the existing remote app work with it is that correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/693">TS</a>]

00:11:37   based on your understanding or experimentation oh I didn't try it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/697">TS</a>]

00:11:42   thought that was correct i mean i think they did eventually release a new iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/702">TS</a>]

00:11:45   app as well but I think before they even released in over a month now but I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/705">TS</a>]

00:11:49   was that if you just updated the TV OS you're not at work with it even before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/709">TS</a>]

00:11:54   they release the eventual remote app update yeah that was the idea for all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/714">TS</a>]

00:11:59   us for the setup stuff and this still promises of like the real remote app you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/719">TS</a>]

00:12:04   know let you swipe around on your phone like the touchpad using accelerometers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/724">TS</a>]

00:12:08   and just basically be a replay a full-fledged replacement for the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/728">TS</a>]

00:12:12   Apple TV remote rather than just please for the love of God give us an on-screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/732">TS</a>]

00:12:16   keyboard to type on with their fingers instead of having to sway back and forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/736">TS</a>]

00:12:19   on a number line or the latter liner at work on that thing so interesting leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/739">TS</a>]

00:12:23   for whatever it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   we recently bought a ps4 meaning yesterday so I got a chance to try you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/745">TS</a>]

00:12:30   know what is what is the current well recent ish effort at a regular on-screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/750">TS</a>]

00:12:35   keyboard by using social dumping before I read that you can just plug in USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/755">TS</a>]

00:12:38   keyboard but happy the president but for the first time the president using their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/758">TS</a>]

00:12:42   their little built in thing and just using the built-in keyboard with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/762">TS</a>]

00:12:46   controller and the D pad and a couple of buttons on the shoulder buttons to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/766">TS</a>]

00:12:50   like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/770">TS</a>]

00:12:51   done in my god it's so much better like I was able to enter text so much faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/771">TS</a>]

00:12:58   in this regular on-screen keyboard using a regular dpad that I've never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/778">TS</a>]

00:13:03   before then I was then I still am today on the new Apple TV that I've been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/783">TS</a>]

00:13:09   now for like a month or something I'll give you a pro temp do not use the dpad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/789">TS</a>]

00:13:13   suffered through like a barbarian using a deep at the keyboard you get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/793">TS</a>]

00:13:19   finger or thumb on the touchpad on the ps4 controller and one for your thumb on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/799">TS</a>]

00:13:23   the X button to select away when a faster oh my god it's so much faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/803">TS</a>]

00:13:29   is a is a big river tangle the middle yeah that's the big hit the big thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/809">TS</a>]

00:13:33   the middle of control no doubt you'll find out any games that it is as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/813">TS</a>]

00:13:38   but anyway now I won't if it is it is so much easier because I like it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/818">TS</a>]

00:13:42   great track pad at like the one on Casey's down like you know it's a crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/822">TS</a>]

00:13:46   one but it's so much better than going downtown right up up down down he's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/826">TS</a>]

00:13:49   could basically just messing around with top tap tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/829">TS</a>]

00:13:52   just feel so much more freeing being constrained by the grid-like unit run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/832">TS</a>]

00:13:56   game trying to put light cycles to get around to honestly I mean I think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/836">TS</a>]

00:14:00   made it so much faster for me it rather than the way the the Apple TV one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/840">TS</a>]

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00:18:17   released the iPhone 6 s smart battery case Panamera unfair to the pan-american [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:23   the Panamera has a fairly continue with the back of the car to its it's big and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:28   it's awkward the shape than profile but it's not as if this is a closer to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:33   bangle trunk on the seven Series remember that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:36   that's fair that's where this looks like they just shipped and engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:40   prototype yet come it does they were assigned hey can you make this like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:45   weekend just make something that works and somebody got the wrong memo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:49   shipped it as a real product so it's described this for people with the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:52   our disconnect in time imagine and I thought success with Apple silicone case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:57   on it with 20% battery life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   3 o'clock in the afternoon give it a chin so so take the the battery case an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:05   extended downwards little bit and so like that it's got an extra training and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:10   I don't worry about why for now and then on the back of the phone take like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:15   don't know maybe seven made no maybe 15 playing cards from the deck of cards put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:21   it in there and then slather it with so there's a lump on the back of this bone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:28   shaped like a rectangle a rounded rectangle that is smaller than the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:33   of the phone it is both narrower than the phone and significantly shorter than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:37   the phone so there are edges of what looked like just a plain old iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:41   success in a silicon case with the chin poking out all around us and it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:47   very strange because most other battery is mostly third-party better cases that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:50   i've seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:51   trying to put like a sort of smooth hump on the back of thing he did they try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:56   just make it to be really thin and make it look like is that actually better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:59   case or is that just like a really thick case you can't even tell where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:02   totally tell us like a bar of soap but it's essentially a smooth curve over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:06   entire backs ever this phone top to bottom left to right edge and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:11   the first better case I can see that does not do that does not try to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:15   big curve over the back and also doesn't try to be so that it looks like it's out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:18   of battery case it looks like there is there is a rectangular thing hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:23   inside the back of your iPhone case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:24   yeah it's been so so when USA it's bad what you're saying is it's ugly but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:30   you're basically getting it well yeah I mean Yes it somebody told you had a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:34   that hey apples to make a battery case what you would imagine in your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:39   would be very different than this you know because like we expect Apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:45   to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   minimum decent looking oftentimes at the expense of functionality these days with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:52   unfortunate but obviously expect the nurse you expect you know kind of smooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:56   lines nice curves in a minimal design aesthetic and and this this is none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1256">TS</a>]

00:21:06   those things it's like he doesn't look anything like Apple designed it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:11   would have seen this in a weird store window on the streets of Manhattan you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:16   have assumed was a knock off like it if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   it does not look like an Apple product and in in the role of battery cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:23   there is no option in a battery case that doesn't look like crap in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:27   they all my crap in some way what about the really thin ones the ones that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:32   like it did you can tell they're better get back to it just looks like I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:35   just be a regular case I think those look pretty good but one exception and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:39   I'll get to in the second my type but I think it yesterday this thing but but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:43   think it's you can't say they're all like a lot of them to make the font [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:48   bigger but the really thin ones that just gave you like a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   battery look pretty good yeah I would agree with that brand by the way those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:54   usually give more better than this but anyway there are some that look ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:58   Amazon pages like there there's an anchor ultra-slim that I can if you look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:01   in the wall street journal review the schedule an externship there's a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:04   of three and they were they were the Apple on there is one from Anchor if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:08   there was a movie or there are some other in the middle and he would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:13   that in in their review of the Apple battery case in a comparison photo next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:19   to these like way cheaper way higher capacity cases from these brands that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:25   are not known for great design especially like anchors are known for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:28   being rude utilitarian and being good value but you're not exactly for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:32   stunningly good design you would you would assume that the Apple option in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1352">TS</a>]

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00:22:41   it would be the most expensive and you'd be right you probably wouldn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:45   best capacity and you'd be right but to see it not even be the best looking one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:49   while also being the most expensive and having the worst capacity i think is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1369">TS</a>]

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00:22:59   that isn't to say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:00   that they could have done a massively better job as a battery case with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:05   goals in mind and then that's when we'll talk about their goals in a minute but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1385">TS</a>]

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00:23:12   seem like they know they were given a hard problem but it seems like a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:19   disappointing output the heart problem and all of this is underscored by by my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:25   basal frustration of this shouldn't even be necessary for most people like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:30   capacity that it has its I think it's roughly 1,800 million powers by most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:37   the reviews can charge the phone about 80% of the way maybe so it's not as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:44   full additional charge but it's like you can you can bring the phone down most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:47   the way and you can charge it back up most of the way back up honestly when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1427">TS</a>]

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00:24:01   can get and there's a lot of much bigger options are you can get like two to four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1441">TS</a>]

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00:24:09   phone if you doing like GPS all day as part of your job then I could see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:12   need a lot more but honestly I like my use I complain a lot about the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:18   having not quite enough battery life and being too thin and and then suddenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:21   prioritizing fitness and lightness over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   batteries but the difference between what the six and the success has have as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:29   the difference between what they have and what I need is not that big I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:34   be very very happy if they took the battery of the success and just like 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:40   or 30 percent bigger at most 50% bigger you know that's that's all it needs it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:44   doesn't need to be three times as large you know it needs almost winter has just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:50   had like 25 to 50 percent more that's what that's what it really needs for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:55   and I from from people i've seen in real life people I've talked to it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:59   that would cover way more people's needs then like you know getting anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:03   giant or status quo now obviously Apple has way more data than I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:08   although honestly I i I question the metrics they collected how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:13   how well that covers the real world usage but anyway that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:17   discussion I'm just very sad that Apple's response to the success having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:23   clearly having porno of battery life for enough people that this was necessary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:29   make and release that they they they take that indicator and they say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:33   the right answer here is that that case is the right answer to the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:39   rather than if you just put in a battery that's like 25% bigger to begin with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:44   then the additional mass and complexity and efficiency of using that extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:51   battery power is a tiny fraction of the bulk and the mass and the complexity of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:57   this case because you don't have an extra casing around it you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:01   extra framing for rigidity in the middle section you don't have that whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:04   heck that passive antenna thing is they're talking I'm no idea that is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:07   don't have that you don't have the charging circuitry the discharging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:10   circuitry like the reporting back to the phone if you're better living in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:13   different battery bars in Notification Center worried about its so much simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:17   if you just make the battery 25% bigger on the phone and you cover so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:22   with that kind of approach and I i no they don't do that because they want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:26   be thinner and lighter and they think they're making her decision and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:29   they are but it's frustrating to be on my side of it when you think they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:32   and this is their solution that I completely agree you know I was thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:37   about it and you remember that sort of cheesy but also sort of entertaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:42   video they showed before WDC 2013 with like the dancing blobs of ink and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:48   a thousand knows video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   well I went and found a copy on YouTube which linked to the show notes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:54   video starts as follows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   if everyone is busy making everything how can anyone perfect anything I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1616">TS</a>]

00:27:03   that's a powerful it is a mouthful but I mean we've been talking a lot about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:11   spread thin we assume Apple to be these days now I think what generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:16   referring to software when we're talking about that but there's a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   there's a there's a lot more products and apples portfolio today than there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:22   were in 2013 and and I feel like this is just an example of somebody just phoning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:28   it in and and maybe I'm missing the boat but she's this thing looks just ugly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:33   it's just it just it's not smooth I mean it's smooth but it's not it's all based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:39   in its just a little huh i mean obviously if I were to get a battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:43   case I would consider this one simply because I like the feel of Apple's first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:48   party cases especially the Silicon Valley there feel over the buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:52   asleep waking the volume button everything they do feel good over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:55   buttons and they do fit well and all the other ones look pretty good this one not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1675">TS</a>]

00:28:01   so much but I appreciate the value of Apple's cases most of the time but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:07   me honestly if you know especially me look at costs like the first battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:12   cases like oh yeah this'll make sense you know use it every other day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:16   it'll be great and as soon as the next iPhone comes out and it's a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19   size and you can't use it anymore like why do i buy that $100 battery case that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:24   now is worthless to me and after that you typically just by like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:29   USB blocks or bricks or no other other ways to boost your head because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:33   realize that was kind of you know not a great use of my money so now I I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:39   moved on to the battery bricks and then little rectangles and stuff and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:43   better burn them to 25 bucks and they have more power than the Apple thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:49   think twice as much in your pocket anyway I don't know why I guess I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:54   like these things are just admitting failure and I also feel you look at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:58   cynically it's very easy to look at this and say you know I think they just made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:03   this to get $100 more out of people and they buy phones that were previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:08   going to third-party makers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   like mostly an anchor and everyone else like it seems like apple just wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:14   capture more of the iPhone accessory revenue for themselves to John what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:18   you think of this I know you guys are too new to the Apple world I think to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:23   get the obvious let's go back and find something that Apple said in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:27   that makes them look forward to the present your clothes when you're gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:30   back to the you know but I make too many things but you have to go back far there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:35   to the what i call the flower iMac not the flower power one but the one who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:41   on the cover of Time magazine that looks like a little hemisphere with like metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:45   arm poking out of it and the screen flooding in the Army as a member that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48   one oh yeah so at the introduction to that steve Jobs was like we want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:53   a flat panel iMac because flat-panel cruel and they're the future and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:58   trying to come up with design than enough this is in the keynoter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:00   interviewer whatever the store is basically we thought about taking a flat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:04   screen and shoving the guts of the iMac onto the back of it that just seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:11   ridiculous because it was like this big lump and thing jammed onto the back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:15   the screen it wasn't elegance a look at the solution we came up with this was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:19   think maybe the first let every Ellen be true to itself thing like the basis the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:23   base it hugs the ground at low to the ground at the semicircle like boom there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:27   you are the base and the screen like that's because they're flat thin and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:34   light so that screen be true to itself be light and airy like floating in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:38   area can reposition it sounds cool arm and arm told it was closed arm and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:43   super then because I mean not by today's standards like if you look at the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:48   and a MacBook Pro didn't even know it was a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:51   lookout then it is and it doesn't have all the get strapped to the back of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:53   of course today you know when they eventually did like the iMac g5 and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:57   big the white flat screen thing eventually did shut the interests of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:00   iMac to the back of the screen when they got to the point where they thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   think it should be entered in the back and not have it looked like a big you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:06   know hunchback type thing right so here we are with the battery case and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:11   impartial there's not really any place for the battery to go you can put it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:15   the front foot on the sides of the bottom so it's kinda got it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:18   back but when I first saw this might read about it was the the sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:23   johnnie of Steve Jobs explanation for this still kinda fits they let each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:28   element be true to itself right so the phone is one element and the batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31   the other and it's like let's not hide the fact that we're jamming a battery on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:35   the back of a phone so the phone is this little thing and we're going to put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:40   battery in the back of it and the bad here he is nothing but a separate things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:44   around and trying to blend them together and make you think these are all one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47   piece we're going to eat it you can skip running problems hanging lantern on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:52   or in the Johnny I'm Steve Jobs problems let me tell me to be true to itself so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:56   this lithium-ion battery pack on the back of this this phone is being true to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1916">TS</a>]

00:32:00   itself by hearing here in I'm a battery I'm sticking out here say hi to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:08   you know like aesthetically speaking you can decide that looks ugly maybe because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:15   it looks different things maybe he's just like I don't want you to declare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:18   yourself to bed don't want you to be true to yourself battery I want you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:21   minimize yourself I don't wanna know you're there I want to pretend instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24   that I have Marcos phone that he talked about is actually just an iPhone success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27   they had little more battery power and by calling attention to itself in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:31   way that some people like it's it's really rubbing it in then I have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:35   extra things shoved in the back of my phone number used to be nice and elegant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:38   and now it's like you know below hunchback that's kinda gross but so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:43   could see are going to both sides that but I my opinion of the this case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:48   started to fall two things one when I saw that it had a chance I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:52   surely the company that can make this better chances Apple right because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:55   channel the chin is really I find that substantially alters the field the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1975">TS</a>]

00:33:01   more than making it thicker once you start making it longer and wider and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:04   like the chance the chains come with compromises as people found out if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:09   buy it beats headphone you cannot plug it into the chain of this thing without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   an adapter because they little headphone jack is just too deep to go through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:15   little adapter things it's not just beat John their other headphones I November [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:19   said I i'm playing on beach because like Apple makes those rights as the work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:22   not like a third party has essentially first party at phones also don't fit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:26   earpods it right but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:28   you know large exxon they had to make a little time for the sound come out which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:32   is i'm glad they did that and little you know the little holes and tunnels have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:36   to make to get the stuff that's going to come out but there are things there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:40   third-party battery cases that don't have chains am I wrong in thinking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:44   I feel like I've seen them I was able to find one when I look for better cases a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:48   few months ago and there was one me look it up its offensive yesterday like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:55   feel like not having a chance something happen to do but the real kicker to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:59   was all of that story I just gave you about the bed the backpack being true to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:03   itself and have me extra capacity or whatever when I found out that Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:08   battery case actually has less battery capacity than the one that try to hide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:11   the fact that has a battery that really killed the cat is like if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14   to have a big backpack and be true to yourself and say here I am I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:18   battery at least make that battery really high capacity right at least say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:22   yeah it's a little bit chunkier looking at the batteries but boy it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2062">TS</a>]

00:34:26   capacity but it doesn't it has less capacity than those other ones it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:30   like it should have more because it calls attention to itself it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   prominent and yet the actual battery in there is smaller and so then I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:37   you know the battery case that I would have liked another number in the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:41   or better yet but I would like to see the one that was just had massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:45   capacity was really high quality or the one that had no chin and made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:50   battery so then you don't even know that it's there they gave you only a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:54   bit more maybe more than Marcos 25 maybe 30 percent maybe forty percent battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:58   and an apple commits super thin one that's like it you don't even know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:02   the battery is looking like a little bit case but it gives you give your phone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:05   boost right both of those products I think would be nicer product as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:10   I'm concerned no I don't think the existence of battery case means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:15   either Apple is admitting the success has been very life and I don't think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:19   success has better battery life really depends on where you individually if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:22   doesn't have enough battery life the way you used then yes you need to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:26   battery pack but I think that the battery life in the success is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   reasonable but as we've discussed many many times I also think there is a place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:32   in Apple's product line for a phone that is bigger it gets more battery life that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:37   is not the 60 S Plus because that's forcing you to say hey if you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:42   your life album makes a phone for you also it's the size of african tablet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45   I hope you like there's a place near line for to say and I thought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:48   success is that place actually I'd like it if they come with a four-inch phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:52   that one should be super thin and small and then the success should be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:55   bit thicker to have more battery + should be the way it is or maybe add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:59   something which i think is the place somewhere for thick bone that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:03   gargantuan they don't make that phone money make me skinny things and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:08   need more capacity from a deep in this case and I see tons of people of battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:11   cases in real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:12   also you know all sizes of iPhones 5s size for us the 626 s lots and lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:20   battery cases because people know I can use my phone all day and I i cant use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:23   about the better get to bed cases and she becomes part of the phone I also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:27   know that both or making a case I don't think this spring themselves too thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   marco was like I just wanna get $104 of course they do why would they not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:34   they are they somehow morally obligated not to make an accessory which they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:37   should make access and you know it's weird to have manufactured not me he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:40   says he's like Honda not making broad your car so they want you to put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:44   broader convert their shares held gonna make him because you want a broad like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:47   sounds like you want here you go it's bad example car bras but I'm going back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:52   to your days but but yet Apple should totally sell every accessory why only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:58   third parties to make an accessory that huge number of you by what's the status [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   on something like Apple according to Apple's own statistics or something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   seventy percent 70% of people put a case on on their iPhones of course Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:09   should sell cases and if some of you want better of course they should make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   the Apple should make three battery case like I have no objections in doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:16   I think the absolution if only like to raise the game of the third party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:21   manufacturers so well this is a little bit of a disappointing product there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:26   some explanations for a second but I think they should totally make a battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:31   case I I can come up with a plausible explanation for the Athletics in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:36   case even if you think it's like your opinion is your opinion right i mean we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:41   also people with cases that we think are live with somebody loves them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   and if anything I wish I could just make more battery cases so i think is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:49   first run out of battery case and at the very least it's got us talking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2269">TS</a>]

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00:48:53   the phone with the battery its gonna hurt reception people who have battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:56   cases that are not to hurt their reception know that it happens and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2936">TS</a>]

00:49:00   can be annoying so they voted just by not putting the battery there did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:04   have to say so far away from the things could you meet him again I say if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2944">TS</a>]

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00:49:16   down to ask that you could have left the battery the same exact size and filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:20   in the part where like essentially radio transparent tape it's not battery that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:24   covering the things that just a permitted I think the paper comes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   test that checks and the other thing is I don't know is complete but this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:32   story that a lot of the battery cases like the movies and stuff are to piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:36   things that are hard to get the phone in and out of the Apple one because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:40   battery doesn't extend all the way up to the top the topic bendy and you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:43   just been the top back and inside the phone how to think about the video and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:48   they're very excited and proud about the fact that is easy to get the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   enough I don't know how many people are taking their phones in a battery cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:54   lot maybe it's because they're so hard to get in and out of like those really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:58   tight-fitting battery cases but is that you know i guess its ok to say hey we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:03   made it really easy to get the phone and now but I just don't see someone coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:06   home every day and taking their phone out of putting it in it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:09   like a frequent activity to me you know and that's true of any case that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:13   better case I never take my cases of my phone and you shouldn't be the final of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:17   your doesn't that they click so well it's funny because I typically use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:23   Apple leather case for my iPhone because like marco was saying earlier you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:28   I happen to like the feel of it is a little bit exorbitantly expensive but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:31   not anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   when you are sixth generation ones it was like 60 bucks now they're $45 they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:38   didn't know that yeah they dropped it with the S generation I didn't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:42   so that's not quite so bad but anyway the only time I use battery case though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:46   which I do have a landmark one which I really liked until Marco showed me this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:50   this one that we're talking about a minute ago which I kind of lusting over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:55   now but anyway let me get a first and I'll tell you that sucks yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:58   but I have this on my battery case which is just cheaper knockoff of movies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:05   it works really well I really liked it but the only time I ever use it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:09   either a conference or a football game and I'm not gonna be around wall power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:15   for hours and hours and hours and hours other than that I never ever use this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:19   case and so getting my phone out of the Apple leather case and into the landmark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:23   case is useful to have that easier but I i buy a large agree with you that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:30   not the sort of thing that I'm doing daily I'm doing it like once once a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:35   during the fall and then maybe daily during wEDC but that's that's frequent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:41   enough that I would say you would be good although I do have to wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:44   especially the things that the more time to take the thing in and out the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:47   Lucy kinda get and the more you could trap things I think they talk about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:52   on the Apple website like the microfiber on the inside its cleaning your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:56   when you put it in there and say no getting around the fact that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   happen to get like three pieces of sand in there and you said your phone inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:01   a microfiber not here to make scratches the other things about the lump sum in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:07   the Apple has talked about like grip ability and stuff in households better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:10   for that it's actually rather than putting it on the bottom like you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:13   do with the lump you can put the key under the lump instead of under the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:18   bottom of the phone which probably helps me get the changes making the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   bottom funk even lower down so resting your pinky underneath it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:25   accountable to do it like having never held one of these I can't really think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:28   about how would you would feel awkward will feel better like giving you a text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:32   replace the grip like a hand-hold that lump on the back but the silicon case it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:37   is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:38   my life has one on her iPhone and the lump thing I don't know like I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:45   going back to his many of our discussions about it past Apple products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:48   have been said they favored form over function talked about the MacBook one in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:55   the single part in hiring has to be so skinny and how the phone just any and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:58   everything has to be so you know like just made like a sculpture the Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:01   mouse the tiny keyboards that has ties arrow keys form over function former [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:05   function too much you know they can't make it ugly for one little bit of extra [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:09   functionality that as a No can we just make it beautiful and do the best we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:11   with Ms concerns and one thing you can say about this case is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:15   absolutely does not perform in front of function right right so not necessary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:21   because its ugly but because like look it has a job to do and it doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:25   spend a lot of time figuring out how to how to make it look like a beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:31   piece of sculpture right you know and and again getting back to being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:34   criticized think that all I max I love them so much like that I just like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:38   iMac design had both in that they said you know let let the function dictate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:43   the form we we can't figure out a way to get these internal in the back of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:48   screen and haven't looked so don't even try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   had the screen and have the screen be free by myself and have you can move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:53   anywhere you can twist it around downstairs where you put it was awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:57   and the base it also looks but is also totally stable stays right there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3237">TS</a>]

00:54:02   small the base of that iMac was actually a lower and lower amount of volume I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:07   believe that for cube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:11   actually smaller than you thought was like that is what you want is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:14   beautiful blending of it but this one when it came time to choose she was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:18   smooth this thing over and try to hide all this stuff and you know make it look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:24   like a beautiful piece of sculpture perhaps sacrificing something of utility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:28   like maybe not having a good lighting passed through or maybe having your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:32   ridiculously low battery capacity to make it completely invisible and useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:36   to people for Marco wanted more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   an extra 20% they didn't they made a different choice to make a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:41   choice what their their reward is an article saying you have too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:46   function and you should have paid more attention to form because I think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   you made it and I guess that's because people think the only in this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:52   result of the not paying enough attention to looks right if it does mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:57   something was said that made the MacBook 11 part and it must be so important and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:02   it was only on top of that you couldn't say well you said you wanted form over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:06   function over form so they know they screwed up both it is both not useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:10   because it wants to be part and thalia sent instead they made this beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:14   thing that has one part and then you could simply say well they want to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:18   a beautiful thing and making a statement this one port and the scouts batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:22   and other stuff like that state so much all this technology never to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:25   beautiful thing and we agreed that is beautiful so we say yes you did that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:29   you did there I found this one we don't agree that is beautiful we feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:33   have not made it beautiful so we're going to say that you didn't go perform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:37   instead you must have done for function and you look at a functionally like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:40   as you take in and out it has a battery in it has let me pass through the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:45   thing you could maybe them on as if you really want to go for a funky mood amid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:48   the chain even bigger so you could fit the long had fun Jackson but this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:53   does feel to me like a different ballot the usual form over function from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:58   if only because we all disagree about the the form being beautiful and I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:03   to encourage that because half the time over saying is don't make you things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:06   beautiful sculptures because if you end up an absurd situations like the Harper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:09   internal mass think more about forum anything more about forming in them so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:13   you know I can I can empathize battle feel like we can win with these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:17   well I mean the right answer here is to recognize that if it is truly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:23   possible to make a really good external battery case for an iPhone that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:28   looks good and good looks are important to Apple and the answer is to reduce or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:32   remove the need for external battery cases reducing it that's very much if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:39   you added 10 percent capacity how much do you need twenty percent capacity like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:42   when do you get to the point where you actually reducing need because I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:45   the people who need like this big movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:48   their Apple should never make a phone as big as big movies are like even like 80% [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:52   is big like say take one of the big movies cut out all the intermediary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:55   plastic and merge that that those mill empowers into the phone that's too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3415">TS</a>]

00:57:00   for Apple to make right but people have those needs and so there's always gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:03   need for some battery packs I just don't know what the ratio is like of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:07   people in new battery packs how many people could get away with just adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:11   20% 30% right so that's kind of what the third party banner manufacturers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:16   doing and that Apple's not privy to that information because their surveys focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:19   groups don't work that is a motivation for Apple to make seven different sizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:23   of battery packs hey Apple you have your own information about exactly how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:26   more capacity people need and you could use that to decide how thick to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:30   next owner know what target battery life or whatever but now with severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:33   dissented ever do so because it reduced the iPhone ASAP I i think by making one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:39   case if they can make this will give them some information some real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:42   first-hand information about what people want out of battery cases anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:46   more battery cases that will give me more information like they're always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:49   making that calculus how big to make the battery in this phone should be going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:52   for target battery life like the iPad we just go for 10 hours all the time we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:55   think we're ok with that I don't know what their targets for the iPhone this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:59   is a very important to me it seemed like it was tiny consistent but a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:03   lumpy the iPads for more of a straight line and the iPhone history was a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:08   bit lumpy up and down here and there but maybe they're just holding their breath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:11   in saying that we just wait a little longer and we get into the manufacturer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:16   of the AOM and for us it would ever in sync feature size they're up to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:19   point and we make everything so low power adventure this point we just need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:25   to get across the finish line it's already a moot point an iPad Mini and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:28   iPad like saying US bases in these cases the speakers like 10 hours is fine and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:33   we pretty much all agree like the most part 10 hours so far as mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:36   the iPad but the phones they're always on the ragged edge of the don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:41   make it really big and thick but we also wanted to last kind of all day and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:45   know we can't really make it last all day because that would just be way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:48   big so you know just like every year I think they're going to get closer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:52   every year they just put a more powerful CPU and GPU in there or make screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:56   bigger so that that sucks even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:58   power just seems like we're not really making progress on battery life but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:02   have to think somewhere out there in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   we're gonna start crossing over like it give me like one or two or three more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:08   hours and then all the stuff starts to fade into the background and just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:12   applicable to people who need to be able to like you know play games on iOS four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:18   nine hours in a row not lose their battery or whatever the hell people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:21   doing to to use those giant movies all day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:24   couple of quick notes about the positives battery case how one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:30   things that appeals to me about this is that it does have that lightning pass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:33   through its it sounds like there are other cases on the market that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:38   like the one Marco just impulse bought a few minutes ago but having this landmark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:44   case that I do like but also having to carry one micro USB port just for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:49   and I pretty much have no other devices they use it is kind of annoying so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:53   like that it has sliding pass through and then it also has some phantom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3593">TS</a>]

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01:11:28   secondly I would far rather have a Corvette than this and even look usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:33   have you seen the back of the current one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   pretty rough but have you seen this I mean if the battery is it's it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:40   it's growing on me it's growing on me at this when I look at the bank was now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:43   start thinking it looks like the interior space station sent from 1970 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:48   wow wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   take a bunch of these big news in miniature like take a bunch of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53   erase the Apple logo and line them up to make like a hallway like these that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:59   is from a sci-fi movie they're like they're like little bulging random but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:03   what I've heard from I think this article like don't get the white one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:06   people I know you know we've talked to Casey about this but I quite looks good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:11   in some time some things but something you're gonna hold is going to get dirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:15   and gross really fast like there's no avoiding it will be panel our phones all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:19   the time we put them in pockets to put them in person who put them down on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:21   tables do not get the white one unless unless you're ok with the fact that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:24   that's going to not look like Apple's product shots for more than like a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:29   it was at Christina's who said like it was discolored after like one day I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:33   how can you not like it is it is it is magical bright white it's a white world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:38   white nothing will stay if you touch it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:41   sorry even like porcelain is made of flying China would eventually get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:47   but this is this is will not call ya but also we have to talk about we have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:53   of updates all the things get updated to care now we could it enumerates them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:58   everything to say about them we got i OS 9.2 is there anything noteworthy there I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:03   updated my devices and did not notice anything and didn't recall seeing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:07   when she was a you that was very upset about the Done button in Safari Safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:13   ViewController upset like keeping it moving stuff around like I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:19   it's better or worse than the other place at six the actual thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:23   drives me nuts about smart of you controllers is as soon as you scroll at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:26   scrunched up and hides and you have to do something else to make it appear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:29   again before you can dismiss it that is the maddening family care where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:33   button is because they are going to depend on one hand holding the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:36   with or whatever like there is no right position for the Done button and maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:41   think what did they move it may be there were like well that's like with it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4421">TS</a>]

01:13:44   one is like an offside and even though this isn't a right to left navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:48   the thing that makes it go away should be a left turn up the ride I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:52   that thing was but the bottom line is it still disappears as you start date and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:57   that is the real 30 criminal act and not the position of the done by me but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4437">TS</a>]

01:14:04   know the only thing I notice so far I've heard from a couple Apple people here in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:09   there that these were all pretty pretty substantial bugfix updates and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:13   good to hear you know kind of like when there is a significant update that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:18   appears to contain nothing new but is likely because that usually means a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:24   of bug fixes I would like to see them the change knows though like that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:27   I was looking for like shit show me all the bugs but they didn't think so now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:31   improves performance and stability and they're not going to tell you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:34   here's five hundred bugs that we fixed it news releases because they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:39   gonna make themselves look bad they do say some things like that you know fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:43   this I feel like you know fix the bug caused whatever and whatever application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:47   something really obscure that could you get a list that are you not listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:51   the other things that are equal in obscurity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:54   I didn't quite understand the political machine that determines what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4494">TS</a>]

01:15:00   things being released because I do seized up the sometimes it's not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:03   like performance-enhancing drugs is like some very specific things that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:06   makes me think is there nothing else in that same specificity of this release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:10   surely there is i think it's a very sleepy are massaged to be very first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:19   a very passive like you know fixes an issue in which certain people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:24   affected by a certain you know we're behavior it's the used worrying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:29   freezing to be just very passive very like this is kind of happened to us you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:35   know it's it's PR it's all PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:40   yeah I agree John I didn't notice anything I've updated my iPad and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:44   iPhone and iPhone updated my watch haven't noticed anything there so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:49   we got their last 10 10 11 to update which those results also like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:55   like hey we added some pics for some bug in mail is something but I saw you Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4555">TS</a>]

01:16:00   asking on Twitter into the void did they fix like USB audio USB stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:06   specifically related audio and you got did you get any answers about that yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:11   tipster said that that it was like they were there there are a lot of problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:15   in our cap so far regarding the USB stack and as it relates to audio devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:20   where a lot of times and I talked to a few people into this happens to them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:23   it isn't just me or a lot of times I will have my audio device that I might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:28   play music through whatever just stopped working completely just like music just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:33   stops playing if you hit play and iTunes the time of the advanced like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:37   even getting to the point of sending the buffer out and a new trial excited for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4597">TS</a>]

01:16:41   different sound output devices and Mike it fails or you can select one or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:45   disappears for a while and oftentimes fixed by just waiting like 10 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4605">TS</a>]

01:16:51   oftentimes fixed by rebooting very very strange apparently the the you the USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:56   stack had a lot of changes done enough and so I've heard from various people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4616">TS</a>]

01:17:01   including including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:02   hipster that that has been now fixed in the dot to release its at radii haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:08   actually thought it but I'm gonna start after the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:11   do you have these problems only on your computer which is festooned with German [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:15   audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:18   I'm wondering if it's like you because you're exercising both the USB subsystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:23   and the audio component of that more than I am but I've had the RUC problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:27   but I also do almost zero things involving USB all I do is like a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:31   times we have played in my USB mic to this one Mac and that's it everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:35   else is not I'm not unplug and plug things that don't have any other USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:39   audio gear except this Mike and I have had no problems I'm wondering if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:42   because like you feel like you're actually use using the USB stack in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:48   much more thorough way that I N during his problems I guess your control group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:52   would be like this computer if she's not messing with maybe she has made you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:57   you too can you tell if that's because you are actually doing USB and audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4677">TS</a>]

01:18:02   stuff that's causing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:03   the problem is the bug journeys reproducible just like kinda happens out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:07   of nowhere you know maybe once a week or every few days so it gets there's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:12   any one thing that seems to trigger it so I have no idea but hopefully it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:16   fixed and i'm looking forward to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4696">TS</a>]

01:18:19   to seeing it is fixed at El Capitan very good for me it has not had any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:26   real problems to speak but that's been embedded in a pretty annoying one I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:30   think I've seen more people like everyone somehow something will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:33   across my tourist re-emerge something I'm blogging area my Apple should do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4713">TS</a>]

01:18:36   snow leopard lace or they just fix things are never as like to do that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:41   10 11 is very as we talked about very snowy liberty where they didn't spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:47   lot of time on big new features they tried to do bug fixes discovery d kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:51   of messed that up a little bit here we are 10112 not too long after 10 11 by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:57   the time the point to release comes to have dealt with the discovered he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4737">TS</a>]

01:19:02   granted which was hanging from your semi that was like oh they didn't fix I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:05   very quickly took a long time to explain away but I'm telling him to come down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:10   fourth time of saying that the major problems that were in 10 11 20 perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:16   seem to have been a dress that's a reasonable timeline for almost any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:20   these is by the point to three or four most of the stuff should be shipping out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:25   and the point for it like back in the day when he was 18 months or two years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:29   places but if if it turns out that ten eleven jus got the really big issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:35   aside from the odd stuff which really has more to do with the server and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:38   architecture and they can actually fixed by updating the OS what you said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:42   anyway aside from that they really have shaken everything out that I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:47   that is fully on a snow leopard e-type schedule people forget the snow leopard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:51   had some weird stuff in the 10 60 as well like everybody's does so I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:57   very happy with all CAPS so far I upgraded everything on the day was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:01   released I am while the point updates I haven't regretted it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:04   experience and no weirdness anywhere again other than I cloud stuff which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:08   really like anything that involves servers I don't blame you entirely for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:13   that and really I mean honestly like it in for a while the max kind of felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:18   neglected because I was taking all the glory on the time I'll do stuff and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:23   Apple started doing these like massive changes to the MAC Tournament in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:28   lion error and forward from that and it just are getting really weird and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:34   bad and then you had like I think you are somebody was kind of the peak of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:39   Apple not only doing patent mediocre ideas on a lot of the Mac stuff but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:45   starting to have really bad execution of a lot of it where is a so lucky and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:49   many problems that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:51   Leopard and Lion both had bad implications of everything to ensure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:55   fairness ok maybe just the odd releases but I feel like now we're going to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4855">TS</a>]

01:21:00   point where the the neglect in favor of working on iOS is actually helping the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:07   Mac most of the time because now it's like you can leave us alone and stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:14   touching things and let us do our work on this pretty stable platform and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:19   can go have your fun and iOS and we have to wait we have to watch out for is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:24   they do one of these like kind of drive-by rewrites discovery D was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:29   this USB subsystem in all caps seems to have been one certainly the disk utility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:34   in all caps 1 like they can do these drive-by rewrites where they for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:39   reason they decide something needs to be dramatically rewritten or refractory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:43   designer ever and they do like an 80 percent job of it and then they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:47   move on to other things and it leaves us this subsystem broken for awhile as long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:52   as we can minimize those times where that happens and they're leaving us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:57   mostly alone on the Mac I'm ok with that I like this is where we get our work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4917">TS</a>]

01:22:02   done but this is this please don't mess it up please just leave us alone let it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:11   keep working please stop updating it every year and please doctor and two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:15   major like massive shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:17   just please well like I said they're not doing those majorettes for their health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:22   like they're doing them for a reason and the only difference is they just have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:26   actually execute well like I have launched his example in the path of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:32   why the hell you replacing an it perfectly fine like every unit used it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:35   why do you think that your own thing is like second system syndromes creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4955">TS</a>]

01:22:38   bunch these awesome right and once he was buggy at first too but they did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:42   they did it because the existing thing that filled that role didn't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:46   features they need it does they they executed it well enough that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:50   have to roll it back I know it's a low bar back most people didn't even notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:56   it except for the fact that I wrote about a mile to a standard user like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:59   lunch deal with that but I can tell you the original version much he had tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:03   bugs but they got it done well enough and they move for another example is i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:08   cum services which has had bugs I don't know how many fourteen years like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:12   they're mostly cosmetic maybe that's why they didn't get fixed but I can services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:17   would like corrupts cashes in some weird way and all your dock icons or shop all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:21   crazy and pixelated for just years and years and years and it's like obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:24   this isn't a quick bucks I'll be there is something architectural a wrong with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:27   icon services and someone needs to go in there with the big wire brush and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:31   all right what the hell is going on I can services let me deal with this let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:35   me fix it and that took so many years to happen and honestly I wish they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5015">TS</a>]

01:23:39   tackled that sooner sometimes you have a subsystem they did it because it's super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:43   old and crusty and it's not even yours maybe it's like BS decode leftover and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:46   God knows when or because the first guy took a pass out at a crappy job and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:50   know you wanna take another a second run out and do a better job that's what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:53   have to do that the job of a slew of the core OS group I want them to continue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:57   doing that I just want them to do a better job like and I think they do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5037">TS</a>]

01:24:01   good job almost all the time and those term use I applauded the car esther was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:05   a great example see guys chorus is rewriting major components and doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:09   good job and improving things and fixing their bugs and Europe year making things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:13   better netting features why doesn't everybody else like say on the GUI TMR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5053">TS</a>]

01:24:16   ever do that you know and the answer is like they have other other stakeholders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:20   let's say like people who care about aesthetics market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:23   in branding whereas people doing lunch D have nobody worried about ethics or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:27   branding anything like that but anyway I'm telling favor of them continuing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:32   look at their OS two side but subsystems are really do for you there are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:39   thorough spring cleaning or maybe a complete replacement with something new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:42   you just have to do it well enough that you don't have to roll it back when Vint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:46   Cerf complains about like I felt that the that's a low bar but that isn'ta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:53   given no I mean like I think modern apple with this incredibly relentless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:59   annual release schedule of everything all these different product lines that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:03   keep expanding at the even more product lines and having the engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:06   resources spread incredibly thin and constant moving around between things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:10   feel like what we what we keep seeing from Apple is that they they don't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:16   to be incredibly good anymore at doing these big rewrites of subsystems are big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:22   new initiatives like their record is pretty bad weather they screwed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:27   besides the sky every day Apple music is a big one like the USB one I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:31   success especially at this point to like if you haven't like a big refactoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:37   and a big changes to of major subsystem and you get all the kinks worked out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:41   a point to like that's probably pretty much all you can hope for like it that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:45   a pretty good job I I still have faith in those groups to be able to do is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5145">TS</a>]

01:25:50   the early schedule you can debate about that but really if they're competent I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:54   think they mostly are all yearly schedule does is push push feature that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5154">TS</a>]

01:26:00   take more than one release out farther because every release has a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:02   amount of overhead associated with it and the more releases you have it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:06   say you want to do a feature and like I know this features too big to fit into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   one release them but you don't you think of something else I know this feature is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:13   too big to fit into one release how do I do this project at Apple and I would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:18   you can do that probably just fine you just have to have been a multi-year plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:21   if you think a year and a half we're not going to cut it released in the year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:24   a half years going to be in the two-year once you know this the overhead of each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:28   release the dads to just you know is just overhead just adds to the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:32   everybody has to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:33   and then your schedule just get pushed out really early releases is simply a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:38   matter of good management software they can what's above the line what's below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:44   the line what fits in this really what what doesn't and if you do a good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:47   done keeping things in and putting them out i mean you could even say discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:50   he was the problem of that and not as if they did a bad job discovered even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:52   during the meetings when they say what's in and what's that pretend 10 someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:57   should have said we really want to do launched in this discovery in this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5217">TS</a>]

01:27:00   but it's it's not just not yet it booted to 10 11 12 you just keep taking it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:05   the road like that in the exercise you could have it till you get down to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5225">TS</a>]

01:27:09   certain point where the overhead dwarfs the amount of time you have you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:12   have six months releases if you want it it's all just a matter of how you draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:15   the line for you know sort of project manager parlance what's in and what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:18   out for the way to go what's the radio was not ready to go so I think having an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:23   organization that discipline in that way I think like a tributary Creek they read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5243">TS</a>]

01:27:29   your whoever like they went from the sort of loosey-goosey artistic will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:34   release TOS when it's ready Steve Jobs kind of let's figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:38   type of thing too much more regimented we're going to put ourselves on a yearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:42   schedule we're gonna be disciplined about that it's that is much more sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:45   of you know a business 101 like we should be able to do this if we if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:52   are inefficient good organization it shouldn't be like well I don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:55   know in the next coming out it whenever it's done and you know well the iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:59   has taken some time with leopards gonna be a little later released every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:02   and stuff doesn't make it doesn't make it but you know the train is leaving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5282">TS</a>]

01:28:05   station with or without you I think doing that inside Apple was a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:09   good decision they're just working on like what needs to fit in it and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:14   releases and what else get updated watching updated big news actually that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:21   is sort of big news real-time follow up for myself I didn't notice any watch OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:27   updates except I went to kick off the workflow I have to tell Aaron I'm on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:33   way home so this is using the workflow app and it will figure out the driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5313">TS</a>]

01:28:37   time from where I am to the house and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:39   you up a text message for Aaron saying I'll be home in like 15 minutes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:43   whatever they used to be on the watch that I would kick off that workflow and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:48   I would have to do handoff to actually send the text message but now I can run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:53   that workflow and it is capable sending the text message from the watch which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:56   super exciting I know you're I know you're both really happy that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5336">TS</a>]

01:29:01   has changed to watch it they take so long my questions such a small device at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:06   a store what is it doing honestly I think it's because the watch is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:11   really slow I mean CPU I seems to be roughly one level of an iPhone 3G s and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:17   if you look you look at like deep bench iOS benchmarks by keeping standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5357">TS</a>]

01:29:23   iPhone 3G s is about 16 times lower than iPhone success if you think about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:29   the kind of thing it's doing it's running on president at sixteen times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:36   lower than we're accustomed to now granted it's a simple OS I'm sure the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5376">TS</a>]

01:29:40   patching process simpler etcetera but keep that in mind as the baseline of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5380">TS</a>]

01:29:45   like everything that it does it has to Pacha CPU is going through something 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:49   times lower than iPhone success story started going to be slower to I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:53   what the bottleneck is the bottleneck the CPU is about storage help maybe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5393">TS</a>]

01:29:57   politics ran for all we know yet and it could be any good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5397">TS</a>]

01:29:57   politics ran for all we know yet and it could be any good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/5397">TS</a>]

01:00:00   the wireless connection of receiving the update from who knows what it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:03   things but I think primarily it's because the CPUs you so incredibly slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:08   but mostly I honestly like your thinking about like there's there's been rumors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:12   of the second watch coming out possibly even as soon as the spring that radical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:18   since last we came out last spring and there there's been rumors about what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:23   might be the biggest one is that it might have FaceTime camera which sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:27   terrible to me honestly it sound like you would want to be on either end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:31   that conversation but it is what is a little bit disappointing is that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3631">TS</a>]

01:00:36   haven't heard anything about it being faster all the rumors are about facing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:39   cameras on wifi abilities and I hope they can make it faster because I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:45   lot of trouble figuring out like how to really use the waters beyond the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:49   face anything involving apps or even glance on the watch I have gotten very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:53   little in to end and part of it is because it's just so incredibly slow to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:57   do pretty much anything so if the watch gets a lot faster over the next few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3657">TS</a>]

01:01:03   years I think that will change what we can do with it dramatically I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:07   will really make a lot more useful for a lot of different like third-party app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:11   abilities were right now you do anything on the watch right now and it's takes so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:17   long that you're taking up my phone for that kind of sad that the watch like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:22   if the washer to come out an error before my iPhone 6 caliber devices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:26   are just so much fast there maybe wouldn't have as much as compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:29   what I was I was going to make the comparison the iPhone memory iPhone came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:32   out it was a responsive but was it really compared to a net people to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:35   videos like here's an iPhone 1 vs 16 and what's your response and they really did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:40   do an amazing job at keeping the iPhone responses but it seems like they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:45   couldn't they couldn't get that kind of perceptive you know received [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:49   responsiveness in the water just because you're always constantly comparing it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:52   your iPhone 6 which is a bazillion times more powerful yet especially watch get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:58   in the first time doing that the remote app thing that just made it even worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:00   so you write the watch does the watch feel slow although when I think of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:04   oh the next version of the watch and we talked about that thank you for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:08   watch need to be as far as I'm concerned other than software being faster thinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:14   just seems like this should be an apples wheelhouse like they're good at making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:17   things right and and never will be but maybe not in the next version right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:23   eventually be thinner so we can look forward to the the the Apple watch for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:27   that is thinner and faster and now we really started talking and still doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:33   necessarily mean you know having spent time with the washing everything I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:37   am not entirely convinced that there is a way you know no matter how fast it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:42   that there is something useful you can do it to watch that is happy in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:46   way that the phone things are happy I I mostly think of it as I would like to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:51   near a device or into a room or into a place or at a certain time and have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:58   watch look and behave differently based on that so I don't have to mess with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:03   mostly the thing I do is look at the watch and when I look at it because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:08   your area or what time it is or what has happened somewhere else it shows me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:14   something that is useful right whether it's a sit down in front of my TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:18   pick up my rest and I can talk into it uses a series that are hard to find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:23   remote or like when it's time to go I just look at my watch and it tells me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:27   the proactive traffic thing like I'm not getting into touching my watch i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:31   swiping on it I'm not using digital crown on that pushing buttons are gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:35   just pushing buttons like the one interaction that are alike with it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:38   double tap and use it as the two do Apple pay cause I don't have to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:42   the watch that I can feel for the buck double tap that I'm still underneath the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:46   sleep in my code I can even see it with it so far that is the most convincing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:51   interacts with the washer me and I like like you Marco I'm never like I'm never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:57   using that interface with like as if it's tiny phone even even for like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3837">TS</a>]

01:04:02   seconds no I mean to me I agree with everything you basically said it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:07   whenever I'm using the watch it is mostly about quickly glancing at it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:13   the watch to tell me something I am hardly ever touching the watch interact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:17   with it on any level really and if I am and maybe one tap or something it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:21   know very little because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:22   if you're going to use the watch for more than about three seconds to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:27   anything it feel like a failure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:28   feels like oh I I kind of regret that I should have gone to my phone for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:32   oftentimes you don't need to I mean oftentimes one who like so much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:36   the watch is getting notifications on it but a lot of times I have to take my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:41   phone anyway to act on those indications or to even read the whole thing so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:48   a little bit of a mix peg leg it is nice in theory and sometimes it really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:53   really nice but in practice I have to keep taking my phone out anyway the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:58   the watch can do faster for you without you text me to do anything to it and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:03   you do need to touch it the more can do in very fast response to that sucks the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:08   better it is as a product and it doesn't feel like an app platform in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:13   traditional way at all it feels like Apple tried to wedge in a platform onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:17   it and maybe they just didn't realize how it wouldn't really work I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:23   have to give those capabilities even if those apps like things were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:27   about could be powered by apps apps are given sufficient powers I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3927">TS</a>]

01:05:31   kind of like you just have to make the API and see if someone you know they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3931">TS</a>]

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01:05:39   people who make good that Apple is predicted like an angry bird style game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS2tTFI/3939">TS</a>]

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