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00:00:08 ◼   ► From Relay FM Disconnected, episode 447.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Electric and Fast Growing Trees.

00:00:15 ◼   ► I'm one of your co-hosts, Mr. Federico Iitici.

00:00:18 ◼   ► And it's my pleasure to introduce to you the returning guest and co-host.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Are you a guest or are you a co-host?

00:00:24 ◼   ► No.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Can you be both?

00:00:26 ◼   ► Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:00:27 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen.

00:00:28 ◼   ► I missed one week.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Well, we'll see if you can be promoted back to co-host again.

00:00:33 ◼   ► OK.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Hi.

00:00:34 ◼   ► How are you?

00:00:35 ◼   ► I'm good.

00:00:35 ◼   ► It is good to be back.

00:00:37 ◼   ► And it's good to be joined by Mr. Mike Hurley.

00:00:39 ◼   ► Hello, I have two observations so far about the beginning of the episode.

00:00:43 ◼   ► OK.

00:00:44 ◼   ► Observation one, when Federico starts the show,

00:00:47 ◼   ► it starts with an intense energy.

00:00:49 ◼   ► Yes.

00:00:49 ◼   ► The second is the way you said your name sounded different to me.

00:00:55 ◼   ► And I wondered if you either stumbled or you

00:00:58 ◼   ► have like an Italian way of saying Federico Vittici that you don't usually say in English.

00:01:04 ◼   ► I do have an Italian way to say my name, yes.

00:01:08 ◼   ► Can I hear it?

00:01:09 ◼   ► Like as I would pronounce my name?

00:01:11 ◼   ► If you're someone in Italy.

00:01:14 ◼   ► Yes.

00:01:14 ◼   ► Ask me, hey, what's--

00:01:15 ◼   ► Who is Italian?

00:01:15 ◼   ► Can you give me your full name?

00:01:16 ◼   ► What is your name?

00:01:18 ◼   ► I got to switch modes.

00:01:19 ◼   ► This is weird because I don't usually do it.

00:01:21 ◼   ► Federico Vittici.

00:01:23 ◼   ► Yeah, no, that wasn't it.

00:01:25 ◼   ► It sounded like you put way less emphasis on the consonants.

00:01:29 ◼   ► Like, but anyway, it doesn't matter.

00:01:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I don't know.

00:01:32 ◼   ► We can move on from this.

00:01:34 ◼   ► The Pixel tablet has been spotted at a Google event as part of Milan Design Week.

00:01:39 ◼   ► Federico, there you go.

00:01:40 ◼   ► If you want to--

00:01:42 ◼   ► I was there, I was there just hanging out with my buddies,

00:01:45 ◼   ► Aguchi and Fendi.

00:01:47 ◼   ► You got to get over there.

00:01:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I saw it.

00:01:49 ◼   ► I was actually backstage with all my fashion friends.

00:01:55 ◼   ► So which of the colors that they had was your favorite color?

00:01:57 ◼   ► Oh, the pink one.

00:01:58 ◼   ► The pink one is really good.

00:02:00 ◼   ► I'm not surprised.

00:02:00 ◼   ► It's the color of 2023, they tell me.

00:02:03 ◼   ► Is it?

00:02:03 ◼   ► Oh, who?

00:02:04 ◼   ► Google?

00:02:05 ◼   ► I have no idea what I'm talking about.

00:02:07 ◼   ► It was good though.

00:02:08 ◼   ► It was convincing.

00:02:09 ◼   ► You know, one of the things about me, I think, is like I don't usually use this talent,

00:02:14 ◼   ► but I think if I applied myself, I could be a pretty good liar, just in general.

00:02:20 ◼   ► The problem with what you've said there is I don't know if you're telling the truth.

00:02:25 ◼   ► And is it something you want to be good at?

00:02:27 ◼   ► No.

00:02:28 ◼   ► In fact, I don't use that talent.

00:02:30 ◼   ► But I think if I were to put myself in a position where I had to use it,

00:02:34 ◼   ► I think I would be a pretty good one.

00:02:36 ◼   ► I think that we have all faced this.

00:02:41 ◼   ► And what I will do now is say something and provide no context for it.

00:02:45 ◼   ► So people that have been listening for long enough will know what it is.

00:02:48 ◼   ► People that don't, won't.

00:02:50 ◼   ► And that's what you get.

00:02:52 ◼   ► It's like that time when you told us that there was a concern that you had skin cancer.

00:02:57 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:02:59 ◼   ► And now we move on, because Federico was lying to us.

00:03:03 ◼   ► True.

00:03:03 ◼   ► So this is...

00:03:04 ◼   ► No, no.

00:03:05 ◼   ► I told...

00:03:05 ◼   ► No, you don't get anything.

00:03:07 ◼   ► I didn't tell you I was sick.

00:03:08 ◼   ► You did that thing.

00:03:09 ◼   ► I just told you I needed to get it checked out.

00:03:12 ◼   ► And it was all part of an elaborate plan to fool you.

00:03:14 ◼   ► No, no, no, no more details.

00:03:17 ◼   ► That's where you end, right?

00:03:19 ◼   ► You did that, okay?

00:03:21 ◼   ► So this is the price you pay now.

00:03:22 ◼   ► That's what I'm saying though.

00:03:24 ◼   ► For the greater good, I can be a pretty good liar.

00:03:27 ◼   ► That was for the greater good of 600 people.

00:03:30 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

00:03:32 ◼   ► But that's the end of that, okay?

00:03:34 ◼   ► To make him have a good time.

00:03:36 ◼   ► Ah.

00:03:36 ◼   ► Okay.

00:03:37 ◼   ► Enough.

00:03:38 ◼   ► But this is proof that the Pixel tablet does still exist,

00:03:41 ◼   ► as we were wondering about last week.

00:03:44 ◼   ► Maybe we're going to see about it in a couple of weeks' time.

00:03:46 ◼   ► When is Google I/O again?

00:03:48 ◼   ► May...

00:03:50 ◼   ► It's on May 10th, I think?

00:03:53 ◼   ► Oh, so it's before the new Zelda.

00:03:55 ◼   ► Okay.

00:03:56 ◼   ► So basically I'm organizing my life this year,

00:03:59 ◼   ► as in before Zelda and after Zelda.

00:04:01 ◼   ► So this one is before Zelda.

00:04:02 ◼   ► BZ and AZ, as we call it now.

00:04:05 ◼   ► Okay.

00:04:07 ◼   ► Fine, I'll watch it then.

00:04:09 ◼   ► Didn't they announce this tablet like five years ago?

00:04:12 ◼   ► It was at last Google I/O.

00:04:13 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:04:14 ◼   ► And then in the Pixel event, they showed it off again

00:04:17 ◼   ► and still said it's coming.

00:04:18 ◼   ► And now we're all the way around to a new one

00:04:21 ◼   ► where they're maybe going to announce a folding phone

00:04:24 ◼   ► and that tablet still is yet to ship.

00:04:26 ◼   ► I wish them the best of luck with this,

00:04:28 ◼   ► because they have really struggled in the tablet area

00:04:31 ◼   ► for a long time.

00:04:33 ◼   ► Maybe this is the year.

00:04:35 ◼   ► My expectation is that this is because of the folding phone stuff

00:04:42 ◼   ► coming to kind of like vanilla Android,

00:04:46 ◼   ► that Android screens are going to get bigger.

00:04:49 ◼   ► So maybe they're like, well, we can now put...

00:04:52 ◼   ► Maybe there'll be interest in tablet apps again.

00:04:55 ◼   ► That's my expectation for why they're doing this.

00:04:58 ◼   ► I don't think it's going to work out.

00:05:00 ◼   ► But like realistically, I don't know how well Pixel works

00:05:05 ◼   ► for Google in general.

00:05:07 ◼   ► So maybe this will just be another thing

00:05:09 ◼   ► that slots into that current place

00:05:12 ◼   ► that they have in their lineup as a company.

00:05:14 ◼   ► The action button has been spotted.

00:05:17 ◼   ► MacRumors is reporting on some CAD drawings

00:05:20 ◼   ► that certified accessory makers have

00:05:23 ◼   ► been given to start building cases and stuff.

00:05:26 ◼   ► This design shows two separate volume buttons,

00:05:30 ◼   ► just like we have now.

00:05:31 ◼   ► So that discussion about it being one long button

00:05:34 ◼   ► may not be panning out.

00:05:37 ◼   ► The action button is above it where the ringer silent switch

00:05:40 ◼   ► is now.

00:05:41 ◼   ► And it looks to be about the same size

00:05:43 ◼   ► as the ringer silent switch.

00:05:46 ◼   ► I thought this had gone away.

00:05:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:05:48 ◼   ► Why are we back here again?

00:05:49 ◼   ► Like last week, we were saying, oh, these rumors are wrong.

00:05:53 ◼   ► They're not doing it anymore.

00:05:55 ◼   ► Now they're doing it.

00:05:56 ◼   ► Now it's back.

00:05:56 ◼   ► How are we back till there's a button again?

00:05:57 ◼   ► Now there's a button again.

00:05:59 ◼   ► It is tiny.

00:06:00 ◼   ► And I don't know what I was expecting.

00:06:02 ◼   ► I guess in my mind, they were going

00:06:05 ◼   ► to use the kind of all-in-one volume button that rocked back

00:06:08 ◼   ► and forth like they did way back on the iPhone 3G and 3GS,

00:06:11 ◼   ► and the action button be separate.

00:06:13 ◼   ► Although looking at this design, it has dawned on me,

00:06:16 ◼   ► if they're all three separate buttons,

00:06:17 ◼   ► they can't be the same size because you wouldn't know

00:06:20 ◼   ► where you were just by touch.

00:06:22 ◼   ► But it's kind of puny looking.

00:06:24 ◼   ► It isn't just one button.

00:06:25 ◼   ► This is three separate buttons.

00:06:27 ◼   ► Three separate buttons.

00:06:28 ◼   ► The opposite.

00:06:29 ◼   ► Are you getting it?

00:06:30 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:06:32 ◼   ► So what is the thinking that there is now

00:06:35 ◼   ► going to be an action button, but the action button

00:06:38 ◼   ► will physically move?

00:06:40 ◼   ► Like that's the difference?

00:06:41 ◼   ► Yeah, I guess so.

00:06:43 ◼   ► I mean, even better, right?

00:06:45 ◼   ► Or they all move.

00:06:46 ◼   ► Didn't they get rid of the solid state buttons too?

00:06:50 ◼   ► Wait, what are you saying?

00:06:51 ◼   ► So this-- I'm just going to read from this report.

00:06:54 ◼   ► Stephen, we spoke about this like two weeks ago

00:06:57 ◼   ► on this show.

00:06:59 ◼   ► It's hard to remember.

00:07:00 ◼   ► This isn't good.

00:07:00 ◼   ► I don't like this vibe.

00:07:02 ◼   ► Do you really not remember this?

00:07:04 ◼   ► Do they get rid of the buttons or not?

00:07:06 ◼   ► This report says two mechanical volume buttons

00:07:09 ◼   ► and additional mechanical button that replaces

00:07:12 ◼   ► the ring or silent switch.

00:07:14 ◼   ► So all three buttons move.

00:07:15 ◼   ► The conversation was that these buttons were not

00:07:18 ◼   ► going to move, right?

00:07:19 ◼   ► And that the idea that the action button was going to exist

00:07:22 ◼   ► went away because they would have to go back

00:07:24 ◼   ► to physical moving things again.

00:07:26 ◼   ► They would put the solid state off for a year.

00:07:29 ◼   ► So then the idea was like the switch would come back.

00:07:34 ◼   ► That there wouldn't be an action button because--

00:07:39 ◼   ► Yeah, now it says there are three buttons.

00:07:42 ◼   ► The action button is here, and they're all three mechanical,

00:07:44 ◼   ► physical buttons.

00:07:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:47 ◼   ► A lot of stuff going on in this phone.

00:07:51 ◼   ► I mean, personally, as long as there's a customizable action

00:07:55 ◼   ► button, whether it's a solid state one

00:07:57 ◼   ► or physically moves, that is not why

00:08:01 ◼   ► I care about this ultimately.

00:08:03 ◼   ► Actually, maybe even better if it's a physical one.

00:08:06 ◼   ► I would prefer the button to physically move

00:08:08 ◼   ► and for it to be an action button

00:08:10 ◼   ► if I'm going to have to have that.

00:08:11 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll take that.

00:08:13 ◼   ► Like all these-- I don't have a strong opinion

00:08:17 ◼   ► about moving from physical to solid state or vice versa.

00:08:22 ◼   ► Like just give me a customizable button,

00:08:23 ◼   ► I'm going to be happy regardless.

00:08:26 ◼   ► So yeah, cool.

00:08:29 ◼   ► Go CAD makers.

00:08:31 ◼   ► Yay.

00:08:32 ◼   ► You know, whatever.

00:08:34 ◼   ► Yeah, go CAD people.

00:08:37 ◼   ► CAD people, yeah.

00:08:38 ◼   ► We were talking about apps, Mac apps last week.

00:08:41 ◼   ► Federico wanted some suggestions.

00:08:43 ◼   ► I have some suggestions.

00:08:44 ◼   ► But I wanted to follow up and say I tried out some of the things

00:08:46 ◼   ► that you mentioned.

00:08:48 ◼   ► One of them-- what was the--

00:08:50 ◼   ► the Alt-Tab one, what was that called?

00:08:52 ◼   ► Alt-Tab, yeah.

00:08:53 ◼   ► Is that what it's called, just Alt-Tab?

00:08:55 ◼   ► Alt-Tab, yeah.

00:08:56 ◼   ► That app works so badly with Stage Manager.

00:09:00 ◼   ► Ah, I'm sorry about that.

00:09:02 ◼   ► I can't imagine.

00:09:03 ◼   ► So you know in Stage Manager, you've

00:09:05 ◼   ► got the little preview windows that are off to the side.

00:09:08 ◼   ► Oh yeah, the strip.

00:09:09 ◼   ► Yeah, that's how they show in the Alt-Tab preview thing.

00:09:13 ◼   ► Oh no.

00:09:13 ◼   ► So like they're all like little half windows.

00:09:16 ◼   ► It's not good.

00:09:18 ◼   ► It's not their fault, right?

00:09:20 ◼   ► Like this is just the way that goes, I guess.

00:09:23 ◼   ► But that was that.

00:09:24 ◼   ► But Lasso, the window management app, me and Lasso

00:09:28 ◼   ► have been getting on very well together.

00:09:30 ◼   ► That is an excellent app.

00:09:32 ◼   ► I'm using it as a like second system.

00:09:36 ◼   ► So I'm still using Moom for my like keyboard shortcut enabled

00:09:40 ◼   ► like basic templates that I like,

00:09:43 ◼   ► like a centered window or two windows side by side,

00:09:45 ◼   ► that kind of thing.

00:09:46 ◼   ► What I'm using Lasso for is for like ad hoc window placement.

00:09:52 ◼   ► And that system of drawing makes so much sense.

00:09:56 ◼   ► What I wish I could do though, I don't

00:09:58 ◼   ► know if there's an app that exists

00:10:00 ◼   ► or if this is even possible.

00:10:01 ◼   ► I want to be able to draw the exact space

00:10:05 ◼   ► that I wanted to occupy, not take up the blocks.

00:10:08 ◼   ► Maybe like or like a customizable grid

00:10:11 ◼   ► or like a non-grid system.

00:10:13 ◼   ► Yeah, a non-grid system.

00:10:15 ◼   ► Like you know how you take a screenshot using Clean Shot?

00:10:17 ◼   ► Yes.

00:10:18 ◼   ► I want to do that, but for windows, right?

00:10:20 ◼   ► Like occupy this exact space for me.

00:10:24 ◼   ► Yeah, that's an excellent suggestion.

00:10:25 ◼   ► Maybe if the developer is listening to this,

00:10:27 ◼   ► maybe they could consider it.

00:10:29 ◼   ► I like that a lot.

00:10:30 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:10:31 ◼   ► I don't know if that's possible, but I would like that.

00:10:33 ◼   ► So but the passionate ones wrote in.

00:10:35 ◼   ► We got lots of suggestions.

00:10:37 ◼   ► I took out the ones that I know you know about.

00:10:41 ◼   ► And I know this because I know you and also

00:10:43 ◼   ► some of the suggestions that John gave you

00:10:45 ◼   ► on the last episode of App Stories

00:10:47 ◼   ► like overlapped with some of these.

00:10:49 ◼   ► OK.

00:10:49 ◼   ► So Cameron wrote in and said, if you like Almighty,

00:10:53 ◼   ► you should check out Pastepal.

00:10:55 ◼   ► It's by the same developer.

00:10:57 ◼   ► It's a cool clipboard manager.

00:10:59 ◼   ► Pastepal?

00:11:00 ◼   ► I'm using the Raycast clipboard manager, but oh, this looks nice.

00:11:05 ◼   ► I like that it--

00:11:06 ◼   ► wait, is this everywhere?

00:11:07 ◼   ► iPhone, iPad, Mac.

00:11:10 ◼   ► Does it sync?

00:11:11 ◼   ► I like the visual--

00:11:13 ◼   ► yeah, sync clipboard history.

00:11:15 ◼   ► Oh, this is an excellent one.

00:11:17 ◼   ► There you go.

00:11:17 ◼   ► I like the visual aspect of it on Mac OS.

00:11:20 ◼   ► Oh, OK.

00:11:21 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:11:22 ◼   ► All right.

00:11:23 ◼   ► Started off well from Cameron there.

00:11:24 ◼   ► Very well, very well, very well.

00:11:26 ◼   ► OK.

00:11:27 ◼   ► Wes recommends Hookmark, which is an app that lets you instantly

00:11:31 ◼   ► create markdown links to the current file, web page,

00:11:34 ◼   ► and more that you can paste anywhere.

00:11:37 ◼   ► So I am familiar with this one.

00:11:38 ◼   ► Is this the app that has like a white paper that you

00:11:41 ◼   ► got to read to understand it?

00:11:44 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:44 ◼   ► Wait, what?

00:11:45 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:11:47 ◼   ► The guy behind it-- we've had him on Mac Power Users before.

00:11:50 ◼   ► He's big into like cognitive research.

00:11:53 ◼   ► And the app is kind of based around some of his work

00:11:56 ◼   ► in that field.

00:11:57 ◼   ► Yep.

00:11:58 ◼   ► Hookmark is cool.

00:11:59 ◼   ► My favorite feature of it is that you

00:12:01 ◼   ► can get a URL to an Apple note, like a deep link.

00:12:04 ◼   ► It's like something you should be able to do,

00:12:06 ◼   ► but Apple doesn't do on its own.

00:12:08 ◼   ► But the idea is it's kind of like a launcher

00:12:10 ◼   ► for things local on your computer in the file system.

00:12:14 ◼   ► And you can get links to basically anything

00:12:16 ◼   ► on the system anywhere.

00:12:19 ◼   ► Man, this is actually pretty cool, though.

00:12:22 ◼   ► You can create links.

00:12:23 ◼   ► And these are like custom URL schemes, basically,

00:12:28 ◼   ► that reopen just anything you want, even if it doesn't have,

00:12:31 ◼   ► like you said, like an Apple note or a file.

00:12:34 ◼   ► But you can get a link to a file and save it

00:12:38 ◼   ► in your task manager or something,

00:12:39 ◼   ► and it's going to work.

00:12:41 ◼   ► Those links are going to be Mac only, for sure.

00:12:43 ◼   ► Yeah, they are.

00:12:44 ◼   ► All right.

00:12:44 ◼   ► All right.

00:12:45 ◼   ► So I'm going to have tabs open for all of this.

00:12:49 ◼   ► Well, Federico, like all of links,

00:12:53 ◼   ► you can be like the listeners when the episode comes out.

00:12:56 ◼   ► You can get them all in the show notes.

00:12:58 ◼   ► In the show notes, you're right.

00:13:00 ◼   ► I should.

00:13:01 ◼   ► I'm selecting them all, putting them all in,

00:13:02 ◼   ► so you'll be able to get them.

00:13:03 ◼   ► Beautiful.

00:13:04 ◼   ► Carrying on, we have Luke, who recommends Dropover,

00:13:07 ◼   ► and says it's a very slick shelf app--

00:13:10 ◼   ► you know, you love a shelf app--

00:13:11 ◼   ► that appears when you wiggle your mouse while dragging.

00:13:14 ◼   ► Ooh, look at that.

00:13:14 ◼   ► So you could run custom scripts by dropping a file onto them.

00:13:19 ◼   ► Even shortcuts?

00:13:21 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:13:22 ◼   ► Probably.

00:13:23 ◼   ► Instant actions?

00:13:25 ◼   ► If this lets me assign an individual shortcut, yeah,

00:13:30 ◼   ► it seems like you can.

00:13:31 ◼   ► There's a command bar.

00:13:33 ◼   ► Yeah, OK.

00:13:35 ◼   ► Because I do this all the time.

00:13:36 ◼   ► I select images in Finder, and then I drop them

00:13:39 ◼   ► into the icon for my upload shortcut

00:13:44 ◼   ► that I have in the dock.

00:13:46 ◼   ► But if I could just select and wiggle the cursor a little,

00:13:49 ◼   ► and the shortcut appears underneath the cursor

00:13:53 ◼   ► without having to go over to the dock,

00:13:55 ◼   ► that would be even better.

00:13:57 ◼   ► OK.

00:13:57 ◼   ► It's a cute UI.

00:13:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:13:59 ◼   ► I like the UI.

00:14:00 ◼   ► These are all excellent so far.

00:14:01 ◼   ► Jose has a selection of them.

00:14:04 ◼   ► Queue blocker, which adds a delay when

00:14:07 ◼   ► you press Command-Q so you don't quit apps by mistake.

00:14:10 ◼   ► Oh, that's good.

00:14:11 ◼   ► Ooh.

00:14:12 ◼   ► OK.

00:14:12 ◼   ► This is on GitHub, though.

00:14:13 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:14:15 ◼   ► You don't come at me, all right?

00:14:16 ◼   ► Kind of scary.

00:14:18 ◼   ► That's on the sketchy side, maybe.

00:14:22 ◼   ► Back when I used Safari, because I've been back

00:14:24 ◼   ► in Chrome for a long time, I changed just Safaris--

00:14:28 ◼   ► I'm getting to that at some point.

00:14:29 ◼   ► --to Command-Option-Q, because quitting Safari

00:14:32 ◼   ► is a sadness when you have a bunch of tabs open.

00:14:35 ◼   ► And Chrome has the built-in delay,

00:14:37 ◼   ► which people think isn't very Mac-like,

00:14:39 ◼   ► but I'd rather have a delay than close 40 tabs,

00:14:43 ◼   ► and I'm working on something.

00:14:44 ◼   ► Yeah, that's it.

00:14:44 ◼   ► I know that people don't like that,

00:14:46 ◼   ► but maybe it's not Mac-like.

00:14:48 ◼   ► But it is a good user feature to have if you want it, right?

00:14:52 ◼   ► A delayed browser is eventually good.

00:14:53 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

00:14:58 ◼   ► A delayed quit is eventually good and a bad--

00:15:02 ◼   ► and quit is always bad.

00:15:06 ◼   ► I turn that feature off because I don't use Chrome enough,

00:15:09 ◼   ► so it trips me up.

00:15:11 ◼   ► But if Chrome was my browser, I would leave that feature on,

00:15:15 ◼   ► because it really annoys me when I do accidentally quit Safari.

00:15:18 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a bummer.

00:15:19 ◼   ► Mission Control Plus, which adds extra functionality

00:15:24 ◼   ► to Mission Control.

00:15:25 ◼   ► I use it already.

00:15:26 ◼   ► Yes, I love this.

00:15:27 ◼   ► I love this one.

00:15:27 ◼   ► Let's you close Windows.

00:15:29 ◼   ► Oh, yoink.

00:15:30 ◼   ► For dragging and dropping files between spaces,

00:15:33 ◼   ► if that's the thing that you do.

00:15:34 ◼   ► I don't use spaces.

00:15:36 ◼   ► And this one was really interesting to me.

00:15:38 ◼   ► It's called Text Sniper.

00:15:40 ◼   ► The UI is you're taking a screenshot.

00:15:43 ◼   ► But what it's doing is copying the text that is in the screenshot

00:15:48 ◼   ► that you've taken.

00:15:50 ◼   ► Oh my god, this is like what live text should be.

00:15:53 ◼   ► Yeah, but-- yeah, I said live text, but much more convenient.

00:15:57 ◼   ► Because in--

00:15:57 ◼   ► So whatever text is in the screenshot window

00:16:00 ◼   ► that you've drawn, it will then copy it to your clipboard.

00:16:07 ◼   ► I love this.

00:16:08 ◼   ► Isn't that clever?

00:16:09 ◼   ► I think this one's on setup.

00:16:12 ◼   ► Perfect.

00:16:12 ◼   ► I'll check that.

00:16:13 ◼   ► But I want to check that before I--

00:16:15 ◼   ► The Discord is upset that their Safari reopens tabs

00:16:20 ◼   ► when they quit it.

00:16:21 ◼   ► And so maybe I don't have a mindset to do that,

00:16:24 ◼   ► or I need to revisit.

00:16:25 ◼   ► I haven't used Safari very much in a long time.

00:16:28 ◼   ► There are asterisks to that.

00:16:30 ◼   ► I have found that sometimes if you have multiple windows open,

00:16:33 ◼   ► it maybe doesn't always open all the windows.

00:16:35 ◼   ► But you can reopen all the windows from the last session,

00:16:38 ◼   ► which is a thing that you can do.

00:16:39 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:16:39 ◼   ► There are things that you can set up.

00:16:41 ◼   ► But for me, it's not ever really a problem for me

00:16:43 ◼   ► because I use tab groups.

00:16:44 ◼   ► And so they're always there, suits across all my devices.

00:16:46 ◼   ► Anyway, the last recommendation for you I have, Federico,

00:16:50 ◼   ► is called Latest.

00:16:51 ◼   ► And it comes from Eshoo, who says,

00:16:53 ◼   ► "It's a super simple app that checks all of your Sparkle

00:16:56 ◼   ► and App Store apps for updates, puts the release

00:16:59 ◼   ► notes in one place, and that you update them all with one click.

00:17:03 ◼   ► It's pretty lightweight and open source,

00:17:05 ◼   ► makes updating Mac apps outside the App Store much easier."

00:17:09 ◼   ► Download it immediately.

00:17:10 ◼   ► I love this.

00:17:11 ◼   ► I would love if people have other recommendations,

00:17:14 ◼   ► just keep sending them in.

00:17:15 ◼   ► You can hear what we like, what's interesting to us.

00:17:17 ◼   ► And this is a good resource for everybody.

00:17:20 ◼   ► So go to connectedfeedback.com and you can write those in.

00:17:24 ◼   ► It already found three updates for me,

00:17:27 ◼   ► including, oddly enough, the latest app itself.

00:17:31 ◼   ► Oh, that's good.

00:17:35 ◼   ► Which I just downloaded, but this is perfect.

00:17:39 ◼   ► Oh, wow.

00:17:39 ◼   ► OK, well, thank you.

00:17:40 ◼   ► That is an interesting user choice,

00:17:42 ◼   ► like a choice of development choices.

00:17:43 ◼   ► I actually think it would be--

00:17:44 ◼   ► Oh, was it done on purpose?

00:17:46 ◼   ► You would always download the previous version

00:17:48 ◼   ► from the website, so the first time you run it

00:17:50 ◼   ► there's always something there.

00:17:51 ◼   ► Oh, that's clever.

00:17:52 ◼   ► I don't know if they've done that, but if this was my app,

00:17:55 ◼   ► I would do it that way.

00:17:56 ◼   ► That is genius.

00:17:58 ◼   ► And yes, I'm installing updates already.

00:18:01 ◼   ► Steven, would you like me to create a toggle

00:18:03 ◼   ► in the connected feedback page so it will say, like--

00:18:07 ◼   ► Mac apps.

00:18:08 ◼   ► Mac apps.

00:18:09 ◼   ► Mac app suggestions.

00:18:10 ◼   ► Mac apps.

00:18:11 ◼   ► Yes.

00:18:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:18:12 ◼   ► Thank you all.

00:18:13 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:18:14 ◼   ► Oh, the passionate ones are the best ones.

00:18:16 ◼   ► Yep, they really are.

00:18:17 ◼   ► Excellent taste.

00:18:19 ◼   ► Excellent taste, really.

00:18:20 ◼   ► I mean, see, you have a good audience.

00:18:24 ◼   ► I'm enjoying that you all are becoming Mac power users,

00:18:27 ◼   ► you know, these little utilities.

00:18:28 ◼   ► Yep.

00:18:29 ◼   ► Get it done.

00:18:30 ◼   ► I wanted to mention--

00:18:31 ◼   ► I meant to say it when you were talking about window management,

00:18:34 ◼   ► but I missed my opportunity.

00:18:36 ◼   ► I'm using magnet for this, because using--

00:18:39 ◼   ► you know, I'm using a MacBook Pro and a studio display,

00:18:42 ◼   ► and they're both open.

00:18:44 ◼   ► You know, both use--

00:18:45 ◼   ► the Mac Pro is not in clamshell mode or anything.

00:18:47 ◼   ► I'm using it as a second screen.

00:18:49 ◼   ► But then when I go unplug it and use it in the house

00:18:53 ◼   ► or at a coffee shop or something,

00:18:54 ◼   ► everything's madness, because all the window sizing

00:18:58 ◼   ► is different.

00:18:58 ◼   ► Yep.

00:18:59 ◼   ► And I mean, I like magnet.

00:19:01 ◼   ► I like the-- it's kind of on a grid system,

00:19:05 ◼   ► and it's all keyboard-based.

00:19:06 ◼   ► But I've downloaded Lasso to try it,

00:19:08 ◼   ► because I think from looking at this website, what it can do

00:19:11 ◼   ► looks really awesome.

00:19:12 ◼   ► If we were not Mac power users, but it was a level lower,

00:19:16 ◼   ► right?

00:19:17 ◼   ► It's like it wasn't like power.

00:19:19 ◼   ► Like, what would it be?

00:19:19 ◼   ► You know what I'm saying?

00:19:20 ◼   ► You're like a Mac Pro user.

00:19:22 ◼   ► Oh, no.

00:19:23 ◼   ► You and David are like the Mac power users,

00:19:25 ◼   ► and we're just like the lower than power.

00:19:28 ◼   ► Lower than power.

00:19:31 ◼   ► Yeah, we'll be like Mac prosumer users or something.

00:19:33 ◼   ► No, we'll be like-- well, we'll be like--

00:19:37 ◼   ► before power, what's-- so before power, Mac medium user,

00:19:46 ◼   ► Mac ignition user.

00:19:48 ◼   ► If you've got power, like power ranges,

00:19:51 ◼   ► we could be like the Mac Ranger users.

00:19:54 ◼   ► Mac Ranger.

00:19:55 ◼   ► Kate said Mac current users.

00:19:57 ◼   ► That's good.

00:19:57 ◼   ► That's Mac current.

00:19:58 ◼   ► We can work on that one.

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00:21:56 ◼   ► I did some real world reporting last week,

00:22:00 ◼   ► and I can tell you that the crash detection on the Apple

00:22:04 ◼   ► Watch and iPhone really works.

00:22:07 ◼   ► I'm so sorry.

00:22:08 ◼   ► Can you tell us the whole story?

00:22:12 ◼   ► Yes.

00:22:12 ◼   ► So there's a picture in the show notes of this.

00:22:15 ◼   ► The picture is not upsetting.

00:22:17 ◼   ► Well, I will say it might be upsetting

00:22:20 ◼   ► if you have been in the situation Steven was in.

00:22:22 ◼   ► Yes.

00:22:23 ◼   ► But there's no like--

00:22:24 ◼   ► Right?

00:22:25 ◼   ► You know, there's not like a person hanging out

00:22:27 ◼   ► of the car or anything.

00:22:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:28 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:29 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:29 ◼   ► It's just a very smashed up Toyota Tacoma.

00:22:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:22:32 ◼   ► Yeah, so last week I was driving home from--

00:22:36 ◼   ► I'd taken one of my kids to school,

00:22:37 ◼   ► and then I helped my mom run an errand,

00:22:40 ◼   ► and then I was coming home from that from a direction

00:22:42 ◼   ► that I don't normally like enter my neighborhood.

00:22:46 ◼   ► And on the other end of my neighborhood,

00:22:48 ◼   ► there's a stoplight, but it's a completely residential area.

00:22:51 ◼   ► So like all four sides of the stoplight intersection

00:22:54 ◼   ► are houses, which is a little unusual in my part of town.

00:22:57 ◼   ► But I came to the light, I turned right,

00:23:01 ◼   ► and I got hit from an oncoming vehicle.

00:23:06 ◼   ► He was pulling a trailer.

00:23:08 ◼   ► And kind of before I knew it, I had been hit,

00:23:12 ◼   ► went up over the curb, glanced off an oak tree

00:23:16 ◼   ► in someone's front yard, and then my truck rolled over

00:23:19 ◼   ► and came to a stop completely on its roof

00:23:22 ◼   ► with the tires facing the sky.

00:23:24 ◼   ► I don't recommend anyone try to recreate that

00:23:27 ◼   ► because it's super scary.

00:23:29 ◼   ► And I should say off the top, like I'm OK.

00:23:31 ◼   ► I did hit my head and have a mild concussion,

00:23:34 ◼   ► but I feel way better than I did a week ago

00:23:36 ◼   ► in like a hairline nose fracture that's healing nicely

00:23:39 ◼   ► according to the doctor that I saw.

00:23:40 ◼   ► So I'm OK.

00:23:42 ◼   ► It's honestly like amazing.

00:23:44 ◼   ► Seat belts and airbags work.

00:23:46 ◼   ► So the lesson is wear your seat belt.

00:23:47 ◼   ► And yeah, I crashed and my Apple watch was going bananas.

00:23:52 ◼   ► Are there still people who don't wear seat belts?

00:23:55 ◼   ► I hope not.

00:23:56 ◼   ► I really hope not.

00:23:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:23:59 ◼   ► Some parts of the world, yes, people don't wear seat belts.

00:24:01 ◼   ► Well, that's stupid.

00:24:02 ◼   ► I've experienced this, yeah.

00:24:04 ◼   ► Do you wanna say where?

00:24:05 ◼   ► You just wanna leave that to the--

00:24:06 ◼   ► No, I don't.

00:24:07 ◼   ► Leave that to the listener's imagination.

00:24:09 ◼   ► Steven, I hope this never happens to me.

00:24:12 ◼   ► Me too.

00:24:13 ◼   ► But for the sake of like knowing how to react

00:24:18 ◼   ► in this situation, like did you realize it was happening?

00:24:24 ◼   ► Like when your car was flipping over?

00:24:27 ◼   ► Like I--

00:24:28 ◼   ► Yeah, what did that feel like?

00:24:29 ◼   ► I haven't really asked you that either.

00:24:31 ◼   ► I honestly, I have no idea what it feels like.

00:24:34 ◼   ► It didn't feel good.

00:24:36 ◼   ► I definitely, so the rollover wasn't very fast.

00:24:39 ◼   ► I had just turned, so I wasn't, I didn't have a lot

00:24:43 ◼   ► of momentum in my speed yet.

00:24:45 ◼   ► Now the person who hit me was moving.

00:24:48 ◼   ► By the time I had gone over the curb and hit the tree

00:24:50 ◼   ► and rolled over, the rollover was pretty slow.

00:24:52 ◼   ► And it only rolled over one time.

00:24:53 ◼   ► It's not like I flipped down the road side to side, right?

00:24:56 ◼   ► Okay.

00:24:57 ◼   ► So I had time, I had the full thought of,

00:25:00 ◼   ► oh no, I'm rolling over.

00:25:02 ◼   ► It's happening.

00:25:03 ◼   ► I don't know what's worse, you know.

00:25:05 ◼   ► Like if you know you're going, right?

00:25:07 ◼   ► Like is that worse than it happening like quick, you know?

00:25:11 ◼   ► Yeah, I think happening quick is definitely worse

00:25:14 ◼   ► because then if it's quick, it means it's like

00:25:16 ◼   ► gonna happen multiple times, most likely.

00:25:19 ◼   ► I didn't see the accident coming 'cause again,

00:25:21 ◼   ► I got hit from kind of like the rear quarter panel

00:25:23 ◼   ► of the truck.

00:25:24 ◼   ► I did see him, you know, kind of pass me,

00:25:28 ◼   ► like him going on the road and me running over

00:25:30 ◼   ► this poor family's garbage cart, which I'd,

00:25:33 ◼   ► it's in the picture, I'd demolished their garbage cart.

00:25:35 ◼   ► And then, you know, after that, it was kind of slow motion.

00:25:40 ◼   ► You know, lots of adrenaline, right?

00:25:41 ◼   ► Like lots of tensing up and that sort of thing.

00:25:46 ◼   ► So I, yeah, I had full time to realize, oh no,

00:25:50 ◼   ► I'm gonna be upside down a second and this is not good.

00:25:52 ◼   ► And what's the first thing you did?

00:25:54 ◼   ► Like you tried to get out of the car.

00:25:57 ◼   ► Yeah, so the first thing I did was try to shut up

00:25:59 ◼   ► my Apple Watch 'cause like it was,

00:26:01 ◼   ► the alarm was, you know, blaring like--

00:26:04 ◼   ► Oh, it was just going.

00:26:05 ◼   ► Yeah, so explain what is happening with the phone

00:26:08 ◼   ► and the watch, like what is going on

00:26:09 ◼   ► with the crash detection?

00:26:10 ◼   ► Like what happens?

00:26:12 ◼   ► So the phone wasn't doing anything.

00:26:13 ◼   ► In fact, I didn't even know where my phone was.

00:26:16 ◼   ► I found it later and the phone didn't break.

00:26:18 ◼   ► So like, go iPhone.

00:26:19 ◼   ► So you can flip a car, but you can't like go to a creek.

00:26:24 ◼   ► Work down the street.

00:26:25 ◼   ► Okay, good to know.

00:26:26 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah.

00:26:26 ◼   ► Yeah, the phone was fine.

00:26:31 ◼   ► But my Apple Watch Ultra was like the countdown

00:26:36 ◼   ► to call emergency services.

00:26:37 ◼   ► Now I didn't black out in this,

00:26:39 ◼   ► but this timeframe is like very hazy in my memory.

00:26:42 ◼   ► And I remember having to like push some combination buttons

00:26:45 ◼   ► to tell my watch that I was like okay

00:26:47 ◼   ► before it called emergency services.

00:26:51 ◼   ► It may have, I don't know who called 911.

00:26:53 ◼   ► Maybe my watch did make a call.

00:26:55 ◼   ► I couldn't actually tell you,

00:26:56 ◼   ► but I was able to get it to stop blaring the siren at least.

00:27:00 ◼   ► But I mean the truck,

00:27:02 ◼   ► I think it was going off before the truck rolled over.

00:27:05 ◼   ► Like it was pretty quick.

00:27:08 ◼   ► And the phone didn't do anything.

00:27:11 ◼   ► So I believe the way this works is if both are present,

00:27:14 ◼   ► it defers to the watch because the watch is on your body.

00:27:17 ◼   ► So like it was also vibrating

00:27:19 ◼   ► like more than I've ever felt it.

00:27:20 ◼   ► Like really that Taptic Engine

00:27:22 ◼   ► was just going to town on my wrist.

00:27:25 ◼   ► 'Cause it wants to get your attention, right?

00:27:27 ◼   ► If you're out of it.

00:27:28 ◼   ► Which I like I said did not black out

00:27:30 ◼   ► what definitely was like, what's going on?

00:27:32 ◼   ► So I kind of take a second.

00:27:35 ◼   ► I realized I'm upside down and I hear,

00:27:39 ◼   ► look at, I'm in the front yard of this like family's house.

00:27:43 ◼   ► And the family all rushes outside

00:27:46 ◼   ► and this woman is like yelling at me like, are you okay?

00:27:48 ◼   ► 'Cause the airbags had gone off

00:27:50 ◼   ► and the truck had side curtain airbags.

00:27:52 ◼   ► So they couldn't see in the truck.

00:27:54 ◼   ► And I was like, yes, I'm okay.

00:27:57 ◼   ► But I couldn't get the seatbelt undone.

00:27:59 ◼   ► And because I'm a dad, I have one of those things

00:28:03 ◼   ► like one end you can like hit automotive glass

00:28:07 ◼   ► and it will break it.

00:28:08 ◼   ► So if you'd like break a window,

00:28:09 ◼   ► like say that you go into the water

00:28:11 ◼   ► or something truly scary.

00:28:12 ◼   ► And the other end is a cutter so you can cut a seatbelt.

00:28:17 ◼   ► Well, it was in my glove box.

00:28:19 ◼   ► And when I opened my glove box--

00:28:20 ◼   ► Where can I buy this thing?

00:28:22 ◼   ► Let's see, Amazon.

00:28:23 ◼   ► There's like a thousand of these things on Amazon.

00:28:25 ◼   ► Let's see, a car.

00:28:27 ◼   ► So when I opened the glove box,

00:28:30 ◼   ► stuff just went everywhere, right?

00:28:33 ◼   ► 'Cause the truck was upside down.

00:28:35 ◼   ► Here's the one I have.

00:28:36 ◼   ► I'll put it in the Discord.

00:28:38 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:28:38 ◼   ► Yeah, I got two of them for like 10 bucks.

00:28:40 ◼   ► And I've got one and there's one in my wife's van.

00:28:43 ◼   ► But I couldn't find it 'cause I opened the glove box

00:28:45 ◼   ► and things went everywhere.

00:28:46 ◼   ► So someone in the house had a knife

00:28:49 ◼   ► and they cut the seatbelt.

00:28:50 ◼   ► I crawled out on my own.

00:28:52 ◼   ► The guy helped me open the car door,

00:28:53 ◼   ► but I was under my own power and everything was fine.

00:28:57 ◼   ► And then the police showed up and I went to the hospital

00:29:00 ◼   ► and got a CT scan and here I am.

00:29:02 ◼   ► So that was my week last week.

00:29:04 ◼   ► And y'all and everyone else at Relay was super kind.

00:29:07 ◼   ► Like I did not work at all last week,

00:29:09 ◼   ► except for a little bit on Friday

00:29:10 ◼   ► and just took the week to recover.

00:29:14 ◼   ► In fact, today is my first full day back.

00:29:16 ◼   ► And this was last Monday, the day of the accident.

00:29:19 ◼   ► The truck is totaled.

00:29:21 ◼   ► They declared it a total loss the day of

00:29:24 ◼   ► and I have a newer Toyota truck on the way.

00:29:28 ◼   ► - Yeah, Toyota for life now.

00:29:29 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:29:30 ◼   ► - Loyal customer from now on.

00:29:33 ◼   ► - It said the car saved his life.

00:29:35 ◼   ► - I mean, for real though, yeah.

00:29:37 ◼   ► - Like a different car maybe under different,

00:29:39 ◼   ► it was a horrible accident.

00:29:43 ◼   ► Like people don't flip upside down for it, you know?

00:29:46 ◼   ► Like that's like a bad thing.

00:29:48 ◼   ► - Yeah, so like when I went to the emergency room,

00:29:52 ◼   ► you know, like you're like having to tell

00:29:54 ◼   ► the check-in person like what happened

00:29:56 ◼   ► and like, oh my gosh.

00:29:57 ◼   ► And like they, you know,

00:29:59 ◼   ► and then like you're telling the doctor what happened

00:30:00 ◼   ► and like, holy cow, you know?

00:30:02 ◼   ► You know, no cuts.

00:30:03 ◼   ► I got some bruises and some scrapes.

00:30:06 ◼   ► Definitely sore, but yeah,

00:30:07 ◼   ► if you look at the picture of the truck,

00:30:09 ◼   ► the cab was remarkably intact.

00:30:13 ◼   ► In fact, it didn't even break any glass in the truck,

00:30:15 ◼   ► which blows my mind.

00:30:18 ◼   ► I mean, the roof is crushed in a little bit,

00:30:20 ◼   ► but not, I wasn't, I could freely move inside the truck.

00:30:24 ◼   ► When the truck was upright,

00:30:25 ◼   ► I went and saw it a couple of days later

00:30:27 ◼   ► to get some stuff out of it.

00:30:28 ◼   ► And like, you could sit in the truck

00:30:30 ◼   ► and still have headroom.

00:30:30 ◼   ► Like it was remarkably intact, remarkably strong.

00:30:34 ◼   ► And so, yes, Toyota has my loyalty now forever, I think.

00:30:38 ◼   ► - And also thankfully, like your kids

00:30:40 ◼   ► were not in the car with you.

00:30:42 ◼   ► Like you were alone.

00:30:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, I was alone.

00:30:44 ◼   ► The other driver was unharmed and their car was drivable.

00:30:47 ◼   ► So, 'cause our initial impact wasn't very much.

00:30:51 ◼   ► I mean, really it was the momentum and the physics

00:30:53 ◼   ► that pushed me over the curb and then over.

00:30:56 ◼   ► So thankfully the person was unharmed

00:30:59 ◼   ► and I'm, like I said, remarkably okay

00:31:04 ◼   ► for an accident like this.

00:31:06 ◼   ► It was wild, but I'm here.

00:31:08 ◼   ► And on the show last week,

00:31:10 ◼   ► y'all asked people to send me on Mastodon

00:31:17 ◼   ► information about their first Max.

00:31:21 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:31:21 ◼   ► - And so I have gotten lovely replies all week about this,

00:31:26 ◼   ► but I decided this is going to be episode number two

00:31:32 ◼   ► of the Aries where I'm going to quiz you

00:31:34 ◼   ► about Macintosh history.

00:31:37 ◼   ► So.

00:31:38 ◼   ► - Why is it called the Aries again?

00:31:40 ◼   ► - Picking an heir to the Apple history throne.

00:31:42 ◼   ► - Ah, yes.

00:31:43 ◼   ► And also I guess to your Dev and Think database.

00:31:46 ◼   ► - Yes, I think we talked about that too.

00:31:48 ◼   ► So, you know, this is all the more important

00:31:51 ◼   ► after my last week, right?

00:31:52 ◼   ► What if I wasn't here anymore?

00:31:54 ◼   ► - Oh, Steven, don't do that.

00:31:55 ◼   ► - No, no, no, no.

00:31:56 ◼   ► And Mike, I've apologized to you many times.

00:31:58 ◼   ► I will do it again.

00:31:59 ◼   ► You were one of my first calls because I was going home

00:32:02 ◼   ► 'cause we had a meeting.

00:32:03 ◼   ► I was like, I'm not going to be there.

00:32:05 ◼   ► And apparently I was really out of it when I called you.

00:32:07 ◼   ► - It was one of the worst phone calls

00:32:08 ◼   ► I've ever received in my life.

00:32:09 ◼   ► So Steven called me and told me he was in an accident

00:32:11 ◼   ► and it did not sound like Steven.

00:32:13 ◼   ► It sounded like it was somebody else calling me,

00:32:15 ◼   ► like your voice was different.

00:32:16 ◼   ► It was very weird.

00:32:17 ◼   ► And he told me on the call, I'm upside down in my truck,

00:32:21 ◼   ► but he wasn't.

00:32:22 ◼   ► - I was out of the truck.

00:32:23 ◼   ► - He told me that he was upside down in the truck.

00:32:26 ◼   ► And then also told me because of this,

00:32:28 ◼   ► he would miss our meeting, which was funny to me.

00:32:31 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:32:31 ◼   ► - That like, that was like, we're like, I'm like,

00:32:33 ◼   ► oh, you're still going to make the meeting though, right?

00:32:36 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know.

00:32:38 ◼   ► - And also like at that point,

00:32:40 ◼   ► because he called me like that,

00:32:42 ◼   ► I, so I was asking Steven questions,

00:32:44 ◼   ► have you called Mary?

00:32:46 ◼   ► Like I didn't understand, because it was at that moment,

00:32:49 ◼   ► I could tell something was wrong with your brain, right?

00:32:52 ◼   ► Like you were just shot in shock or like whatever.

00:32:55 ◼   ► - A hundred percent in shock.

00:32:56 ◼   ► - Because you also said to me, I've hit my head very hard.

00:33:00 ◼   ► And I was like, this is bad.

00:33:02 ◼   ► It was horrible.

00:33:03 ◼   ► And so I was like, have you called Mary?

00:33:05 ◼   ► He's like, yes, I've called Mary.

00:33:06 ◼   ► I was like, great.

00:33:07 ◼   ► Go then and I'll speak to you later on.

00:33:10 ◼   ► And then I was, then I opened fire my friends

00:33:13 ◼   ► and I was just watching your dot until it missed.

00:33:14 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, I was at the hospital.

00:33:17 ◼   ► Yeah, Mary rushed over from work.

00:33:19 ◼   ► And my dad was actually my first call

00:33:21 ◼   ► because where this accident was

00:33:23 ◼   ► is around the corner from his house.

00:33:25 ◼   ► And I was thinking, my first thought was

00:33:27 ◼   ► my dad lives around the corner

00:33:28 ◼   ► and I need somebody here, right?

00:33:30 ◼   ► And, but he was like the next county over

00:33:33 ◼   ► helping your friend with something.

00:33:35 ◼   ► And so I think he was kind of freaked out too.

00:33:37 ◼   ► And anyways, he rushed back.

00:33:39 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:33:40 ◼   ► - Were you, let me ask you the last question

00:33:42 ◼   ► and be honest, be honest.

00:33:44 ◼   ► Were you angry at the other person?

00:33:48 ◼   ► Like did you get in an argument?

00:33:50 ◼   ► No, everything was okay.

00:33:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:33:53 ◼   ► - No, this is just one of those things that like

00:33:56 ◼   ► it's wrong place, wrong time.

00:33:58 ◼   ► And truly an accident, like not upset with him,

00:34:02 ◼   ► not upset with myself.

00:34:04 ◼   ► Everyone is fine.

00:34:05 ◼   ► So yeah, just move forward.

00:34:07 ◼   ► - That's good, that's good.

00:34:08 ◼   ► Okay, that's good.

00:34:09 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:34:10 ◼   ► So the current score for the Aries, Mike has 11,

00:34:14 ◼   ► Federico has six.

00:34:15 ◼   ► I verified those scores with relay FM historian, Kate.

00:34:19 ◼   ► And they said this was the score.

00:34:21 ◼   ► So I believe them.

00:34:22 ◼   ► So I have--

00:34:24 ◼   ► - You're not keeping score to your own quiz?

00:34:25 ◼   ► - Well, I was, but I didn't, remember there was an error.

00:34:28 ◼   ► And so I want to make sure that I corrected my note.

00:34:31 ◼   ► - Oh yes, in your first initial quiz,

00:34:34 ◼   ► you got the scoring correct.

00:34:36 ◼   ► - So I will try to do better this time.

00:34:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, let's see.

00:34:40 ◼   ► You aren't working at full brain capacity in this episode.

00:34:43 ◼   ► So, you know, we will let you go.

00:34:45 ◼   ► - So is it okay, is like our brain jokes okay already

00:34:48 ◼   ► on this show?

00:34:49 ◼   ► Just checking.

00:34:50 ◼   ► - Federico, I had this conversation with Steven.

00:34:52 ◼   ► I think this was a couple of days ago, I think.

00:34:55 ◼   ► Like how far into the episode from the point

00:34:59 ◼   ► where he tells the story, can we make fun of him?

00:35:02 ◼   ► And I think it's immediate because it's already,

00:35:06 ◼   ► this has already occurred privately.

00:35:08 ◼   ► I think there was a moment where on the day of the crash,

00:35:12 ◼   ► me and Steven were cracking jokes

00:35:13 ◼   ► and I think Mary got mad at us and was like,

00:35:16 ◼   ► we can't do that right now, okay.

00:35:18 ◼   ► 'Cause Steven, you know, he just starts making jokes

00:35:20 ◼   ► about it immediately.

00:35:21 ◼   ► So I'm just like all in.

00:35:22 ◼   ► - Cool, cool, cool, cool.

00:35:23 ◼   ► - And then we had to stop.

00:35:24 ◼   ► But now I think enough time has passed

00:35:26 ◼   ► that I think is fair game.

00:35:28 ◼   ► We just make fun of him as much as we like.

00:35:30 ◼   ► - All right, cool.

00:35:31 ◼   ► Well then let's see if hitting your head has any benefits

00:35:34 ◼   ► to making a better quiz.

00:35:36 ◼   ► - Maybe you'll never get math wrong again.

00:35:38 ◼   ► Maybe you beautiful minded yourself.

00:35:40 ◼   ► - Preparing this quiz was basically the only thing

00:35:42 ◼   ► I did yesterday and I had a headache afterwards.

00:35:44 ◼   ► So let's see how this goes.

00:35:46 ◼   ► So I have five questions based on the listeners

00:35:50 ◼   ► self-reporting on Mastodon about their first max.

00:35:53 ◼   ► These numbers I have, I did this yesterday.

00:35:56 ◼   ► A couple of people replied, I think today,

00:35:58 ◼   ► you didn't make the cutoff, I'm sorry.

00:35:59 ◼   ► 'Cause I have like a numbers document

00:36:02 ◼   ► that I was like making charts in for this.

00:36:04 ◼   ► So there's five questions.

00:36:07 ◼   ► The correct answer is one point

00:36:09 ◼   ► and we'll start with the first.

00:36:12 ◼   ► And since Federico is the loser,

00:36:14 ◼   ► Federico gets to go first.

00:36:16 ◼   ► Federico, of these respondents,

00:36:19 ◼   ► what is the split between desktop and notebook

00:36:23 ◼   ► percentage wise?

00:36:25 ◼   ► I'll say closest gets the point.

00:36:27 ◼   ► - I am gonna go with,

00:36:30 ◼   ► we asked them to send you their first max.

00:36:37 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:36:38 ◼   ► - First max, well, I'm gonna go with 30% desktop,

00:36:42 ◼   ► 70% notebook.

00:36:45 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go 71% notebook.

00:36:46 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:36:48 ◼   ► - You're 29% desktop, 71% notebook.

00:36:51 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:36:52 ◼   ► - Well, Federico gets the point.

00:36:55 ◼   ► - Ah.

00:36:56 ◼   ► - Ooh.

00:36:57 ◼   ► - 49% desktop, 51% notebook.

00:37:01 ◼   ► - You and your over under, Mike.

00:37:03 ◼   ► - What are a bunch of weirdos?

00:37:06 ◼   ► What are you buying?

00:37:08 ◼   ► - First Mac, a desktop, what are you doing?

00:37:11 ◼   ► - You know what?

00:37:12 ◼   ► I think we both fell for the same issue, Federico.

00:37:15 ◼   ► I'm thinking young people, but that's not necessarily

00:37:17 ◼   ► the case. - Yeah, lots of,

00:37:18 ◼   ► we're dealing with lots of old people

00:37:19 ◼   ► with disposable income here, yeah.

00:37:21 ◼   ► - We can categorize now.

00:37:23 ◼   ► 'Cause like my first Mac was a desktop,

00:37:26 ◼   ► but like I'm just thinking like people these days

00:37:28 ◼   ► buy laptops, but I guess that doesn't count, right?

00:37:33 ◼   ► People buy, okay.

00:37:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, so that's the point for Federico.

00:37:36 ◼   ► Number two, Mike, you'll go first.

00:37:40 ◼   ► What is the most common year

00:37:43 ◼   ► that listeners got their first Macs?

00:37:46 ◼   ► - Ooh, this is impossible.

00:37:48 ◼   ► Just throw a number out there, Mike.

00:37:52 ◼   ► - 2009.

00:37:57 ◼   ► - 2006.

00:38:00 ◼   ► - So I will start at the bottom, we'll go way up.

00:38:04 ◼   ► The fifth most popular year was 2009.

00:38:08 ◼   ► - Oh, damn.

00:38:08 ◼   ► - The fourth most popular year, 2003.

00:38:12 ◼   ► The third most popular year, 2005.

00:38:15 ◼   ► The second most popular year, 2006.

00:38:19 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:38:19 ◼   ► - Okay. - The most popular year, 2008.

00:38:23 ◼   ► So Mike was just one year off, so Mike gets the point.

00:38:26 ◼   ► - Wow, we would, right in a pocket, right?

00:38:28 ◼   ► What was the spread on that, 2006 to 2010?

00:38:32 ◼   ► - It's, so chronologically, '03, '05, '06, '08, '09.

00:38:37 ◼   ► - That is so close.

00:38:39 ◼   ► - That's a very tight band.

00:38:41 ◼   ► - All right.

00:38:44 ◼   ► - So Federico, you'll be up for the next one.

00:38:46 ◼   ► This next one talks about processor platform.

00:38:49 ◼   ► So list the top three processor platforms

00:38:53 ◼   ► in order of popularity in these answers.

00:38:56 ◼   ► - What's a processor platform?

00:38:58 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:59 ◼   ► - I was like, what does that mean?

00:39:00 ◼   ► - Intel versus Apple Silicon, for example.

00:39:03 ◼   ► - Yeah, so Intel, number one.

00:39:06 ◼   ► Number two, PowerPC.

00:39:09 ◼   ► Number three, Apple Silicon.

00:39:11 ◼   ► - Okay, Mike.

00:39:12 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go Intel most popular,

00:39:14 ◼   ► Apple Silicon number two, PowerPC number three.

00:39:16 ◼   ► - No one gets the points.

00:39:19 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:39:20 ◼   ► - Here, number five is the 6502 family of processors

00:39:25 ◼   ► that was in the Apple II at 3%.

00:39:28 ◼   ► - No idea what it means.

00:39:29 ◼   ► - I don't know what it is.

00:39:30 ◼   ► - Apple Silicon, 3%.

00:39:33 ◼   ► Remember, we're talking first max.

00:39:35 ◼   ► - Yeah, I know.

00:39:36 ◼   ► - Third place at 26%, 68,000 line of max.

00:39:41 ◼   ► - What is that?

00:39:44 ◼   ► Isn't that PowerPC?

00:39:45 ◼   ► - Before PowerPC.

00:39:47 ◼   ► - Right, but Steven, you need to--

00:39:48 ◼   ► - Oh, that's a before PowerPC?

00:39:50 ◼   ► - Right, but you see, a minute ago,

00:39:52 ◼   ► you just said like the most popular

00:39:54 ◼   ► between like 2006 to 2010.

00:39:56 ◼   ► That's why we both went with the ranking that we did, right?

00:40:00 ◼   ► Like none of these max are available in this timeframe.

00:40:03 ◼   ► - Federico got it right.

00:40:05 ◼   ► So PowerPC is in second place at 29%,

00:40:08 ◼   ► Intel the most popular at 39%.

00:40:10 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:40:11 ◼   ► - Oh, okay.

00:40:12 ◼   ► - So no one gets the point.

00:40:14 ◼   ► - But you can see why we went the way we did though, right?

00:40:16 ◼   ► - Oh, 100%, I was surprised by this.

00:40:18 ◼   ► - Okay. - Yes.

00:40:20 ◼   ► - Okay. - All right.

00:40:20 ◼   ► - That's 'cause that's very strange.

00:40:23 ◼   ► - Today I learned that there's a before PowerPC,

00:40:25 ◼   ► I didn't even know that.

00:40:26 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

00:40:27 ◼   ► - I thought it was all PowerPC.

00:40:28 ◼   ► I thought people just referred to like,

00:40:30 ◼   ► oh, it's PowerPC, but it's 6,800 PowerPC.

00:40:33 ◼   ► - It's PowerPC, like I thought it was a shorthand for like,

00:40:35 ◼   ► oh yeah, it's just eggs or like a generic term.

00:40:38 ◼   ► - There was a transition to PowerPC?

00:40:41 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:40:42 ◼   ► - See, that's what I mean.

00:40:43 ◼   ► Like, wait, what, really?

00:40:45 ◼   ► But nobody's, like that's the transition

00:40:49 ◼   ► no one talks about, right?

00:40:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:40:51 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:40:52 ◼   ► - All right, Mike, you're up next again,

00:40:54 ◼   ► the closest person wins in terms of year.

00:40:59 ◼   ► What is the oldest year reported in my mentions?

00:41:03 ◼   ► - 1982.

00:41:06 ◼   ► - The 1978.

00:41:10 ◼   ► - Federico gets it, it was 1979.

00:41:14 ◼   ► - What? - Nice.

00:41:15 ◼   ► - What was that even?

00:41:15 ◼   ► - An Apple II or whatever. - An Apple II, yeah.

00:41:18 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Huh, okay.

00:41:20 ◼   ► - Although, I mean, technically that answer is also wrong

00:41:23 ◼   ► because we asked their first Mac and that's not a Mac.

00:41:25 ◼   ► - Yeah, I was careful in my question to you.

00:41:28 ◼   ► I didn't say the oldest year that a Mac was reported.

00:41:31 ◼   ► I just said the oldest year reported.

00:41:33 ◼   ► - It's just fake news. - Yes, Apple II, not a Mac.

00:41:35 ◼   ► All right, the final question,

00:41:40 ◼   ► again, closest person gets the point.

00:41:44 ◼   ► What is the most recent year reported in our listenership

00:41:47 ◼   ► for their first Mac purchase?

00:41:48 ◼   ► - This is Federico first.

00:41:50 ◼   ► - Federico first.

00:41:51 ◼   ► - No, it's you first.

00:41:52 ◼   ► - No, Mike went first last time.

00:41:53 ◼   ► - No, it's me. - I just went first

00:41:54 ◼   ► the last time.

00:41:55 ◼   ► - Most recent?

00:41:56 ◼   ► Last year, 2022.

00:42:00 ◼   ► - I'll say 2020.

00:42:02 ◼   ► - Federico gets it again.

00:42:04 ◼   ► - Oh.

00:42:04 ◼   ► - 2023.

00:42:06 ◼   ► - Okay. - Pretty cool, huh?

00:42:08 ◼   ► - That person's dead to me, whoever that was.

00:42:10 ◼   ► - Interesting.

00:42:12 ◼   ► - Someone's on their first Mac right now.

00:42:13 ◼   ► - Nice.

00:42:14 ◼   ► - That makes sense, that makes sense.

00:42:16 ◼   ► - I think the saddest reply I got,

00:42:18 ◼   ► someone's first Mac was like the first butterfly

00:42:20 ◼   ► MacBook Pro.

00:42:21 ◼   ► I was like, oh, I'm so sorry.

00:42:22 ◼   ► That's so bad.

00:42:23 ◼   ► - Oh, yeah, man.

00:42:25 ◼   ► - So at the end of this round, Mike has 12 points

00:42:29 ◼   ► and Federico has nine.

00:42:31 ◼   ► Good job, guys.

00:42:32 ◼   ► - Catching up on me.

00:42:33 ◼   ► - Yeah, getting closer, catching up.

00:42:35 ◼   ► I really wanna be a heir to Steven's empire, you know?

00:42:38 ◼   ► - To be fair, I don't really want it.

00:42:43 ◼   ► - Well then why are you winning this?

00:42:45 ◼   ► - I'll split it with you, you know what I mean?

00:42:47 ◼   ► It seems like too much.

00:42:48 ◼   ► Like, what am I supposed to,

00:42:49 ◼   ► I don't have all this storage space.

00:42:51 ◼   ► - Keep the wrong answers next time.

00:42:53 ◼   ► - I don't have the available SSD space

00:42:58 ◼   ► for all of the stuff that you'd be trying to give me.

00:43:00 ◼   ► - And if you don't want it, then reply incorrectly.

00:43:03 ◼   ► Like, make it easy for me. - I'm trying.

00:43:05 ◼   ► You need to do better.

00:43:06 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:43:07 ◼   ► I can't help but win.

00:43:09 ◼   ► - I think every time I answered incorrectly, I wanted that.

00:43:13 ◼   ► - Oh, look at this.

00:43:14 ◼   ► It's just you can't help it by being right.

00:43:17 ◼   ► - This is that Federico.

00:43:18 ◼   ► I'm using Federico logic now.

00:43:19 ◼   ► - You are.

00:43:20 ◼   ► - You are.

00:43:22 ◼   ► - Yes, I appreciate you.

00:43:24 ◼   ► - Yes, so thank you everybody who responded.

00:43:25 ◼   ► It was lovely last week to read those as they came in.

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00:45:51 ◼   ► D. Griffin Jones at Cult of Mac wrote

00:45:54 ◼   ► end of an article that they posted on Cult of Mac,

00:45:57 ◼   ► where they broke down Tim Cook's watch face

00:46:00 ◼   ► based on an image of him with, by the way,

00:46:03 ◼   ► a passionate one who's listening live right now,

00:46:05 ◼   ► Vidit Bhagavan. - Yes, so cool, so cool.

00:46:07 ◼   ► - Who is the developer of Look Up,

00:46:09 ◼   ► where Tim was in India recently.

00:46:11 ◼   ► Apple were doing some tours of some stores

00:46:13 ◼   ► and some stuff that, there we go,

00:46:15 ◼   ► one of the Tim Cook tours of a place,

00:46:17 ◼   ► and there is an image which Vidit shared,

00:46:20 ◼   ► but also Tim Cook shared of like,

00:46:23 ◼   ► these, of meeting with developers in India.

00:46:26 ◼   ► Vidit is there, just Vidit and Tim,

00:46:28 ◼   ► and Vidit got to demo his app.

00:46:30 ◼   ► I think it was Look Up that he got to demo

00:46:32 ◼   ► on the watch to Tim Cook,

00:46:34 ◼   ► who is raptured by this, by the way.

00:46:37 ◼   ► You obviously were doing a very good job.

00:46:40 ◼   ► - Such a great follow. - Yeah.

00:46:41 ◼   ► And Look Up is fantastic, totally deserved.

00:46:44 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:46:45 ◼   ► - But then what this image provided was a clear look

00:46:49 ◼   ► at Tim Cook's watch face.

00:46:51 ◼   ► - See, the problem is not Vidit in this picture.

00:46:54 ◼   ► The problem is Tim Cook's watch face.

00:46:56 ◼   ► - No, Vidit is the solution.

00:46:58 ◼   ► Tim Cook is the problem.

00:46:59 ◼   ► All right, so,

00:47:02 ◼   ► Dean Griffin put this together, which is incredible.

00:47:07 ◼   ► They went and took a look at the face

00:47:10 ◼   ► and broke it all down,

00:47:12 ◼   ► and I have all of the deets for you, all right?

00:47:14 ◼   ► So Tim uses the Infograph watch face

00:47:18 ◼   ► with the following complications.

00:47:20 ◼   ► Top left, stocks.

00:47:22 ◼   ► - Sure, he's the CEO, so.

00:47:25 ◼   ► - Top right, weather temperature.

00:47:28 ◼   ► Bottom left, workout app.

00:47:33 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:47:34 ◼   ► - Bottom right, activity rings.

00:47:38 ◼   ► Subdial top, schedule.

00:47:40 ◼   ► Subdial left, blood oxygen.

00:47:44 ◼   ► Subdial right, ECG.

00:47:48 ◼   ► Subdial bottom, the home app.

00:47:50 ◼   ► Here's my question.

00:47:53 ◼   ► Is this Tim Cook's I might be photographed watch?

00:47:57 ◼   ► - This is too defaulty to be a personal watch face.

00:48:02 ◼   ► - I expect when he's going out

00:48:04 ◼   ► and someone might take a picture of him,

00:48:06 ◼   ► somebody gives him the Apple watch he will be wearing

00:48:10 ◼   ► that day. - Put this on, yeah.

00:48:11 ◼   ► - Yeah, not even like change your watch face.

00:48:13 ◼   ► This watch cannot ever, ever, ever show a notification.

00:48:18 ◼   ► - No. - Of any kind.

00:48:21 ◼   ► - No, there was a story a while back

00:48:22 ◼   ► that he had a Apple News notification.

00:48:26 ◼   ► Maybe this is when they changed it.

00:48:28 ◼   ► - But was it?

00:48:29 ◼   ► - You know, maybe that came out like,

00:48:30 ◼   ► ooh, you can't let people know that he uses Apple News.

00:48:33 ◼   ► - Was it a press thing though,

00:48:35 ◼   ► or was it just him walking around his life?

00:48:37 ◼   ► - I don't remember.

00:48:39 ◼   ► - Like my thought is if someone,

00:48:40 ◼   ► if there's ever a professional camera pointed at him,

00:48:43 ◼   ► like he is wearing the approved watch

00:48:47 ◼   ► that they've given him,

00:48:48 ◼   ► which would like never have a blemish on it

00:48:50 ◼   ► and would have the watch band that's currently available

00:48:53 ◼   ► that they wanted to, you know what I mean?

00:48:55 ◼   ► - That's my watch set up, the ultra,

00:48:56 ◼   ► and then the dark trail.

00:48:58 ◼   ► - Why don't you try?

00:48:59 ◼   ► And again, this article, by the way,

00:49:01 ◼   ► that Dee Griffin put together,

00:49:03 ◼   ► you can also download the watch face for yourself

00:49:08 ◼   ► based on the watch face set up thing.

00:49:10 ◼   ► So Steven, why don't you give this a go?

00:49:11 ◼   ► You get the full Tim Cook experience.

00:49:13 ◼   ► - So let me open this.

00:49:14 ◼   ► I gotta open this on my phone, right?

00:49:16 ◼   ► - I mean, probably, I don't know.

00:49:18 ◼   ► Nobody knows.

00:49:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause I think if you open it on the Mac,

00:49:20 ◼   ► it doesn't know what to do.

00:49:21 ◼   ► So let's see, let me find this link.

00:49:24 ◼   ► - And you can let us know how this feels.

00:49:26 ◼   ► - I think this could be his watch.

00:49:30 ◼   ► - Here's the thing.

00:49:32 ◼   ► He does not want to know the current Apple stock price 24/7.

00:49:37 ◼   ► - You sure?

00:49:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, I feel pretty sure of that, right?

00:49:43 ◼   ► - But he's the CEO. - I know he's the CEO.

00:49:46 ◼   ► Does he wanna know in real time always?

00:49:49 ◼   ► - Probably, otherwise he gets fired.

00:49:52 ◼   ► No, isn't that how it works?

00:49:56 ◼   ► - Not really.

00:49:57 ◼   ► I mean, look, if Tim Cook is at the stage

00:50:01 ◼   ► where something so bad has happened to Apple

00:50:04 ◼   ► that he might get fired based on the stock price,

00:50:06 ◼   ► he doesn't need the complication on the Apple Watch

00:50:08 ◼   ► to tell him that thing is happening.

00:50:10 ◼   ► - Probably, probably.

00:50:11 ◼   ► - He's already aware that it's going on.

00:50:14 ◼   ► - It's an okay Apple Watch face.

00:50:18 ◼   ► It's not great.

00:50:19 ◼   ► - I guess the official Stephen Hackett seal of approval.

00:50:20 ◼   ► - It's too busy.

00:50:21 ◼   ► Too much going on.

00:50:23 ◼   ► - Be busy, this one.

00:50:26 ◼   ► I was gonna say it's kinda empty.

00:50:28 ◼   ► - Well, maybe it's just too, I don't,

00:50:30 ◼   ► this is too much stuff.

00:50:32 ◼   ► - I don't like this watch face anyway.

00:50:34 ◼   ► - What does the calendar event say?

00:50:36 ◼   ► Like if you zoom in, you can see.

00:50:39 ◼   ► - I tried running this through Pixelmator's

00:50:40 ◼   ► like enlarged thing and I couldn't make it out.

00:50:44 ◼   ► - The part, I can make up probably the part,

00:50:47 ◼   ► but that's about it.

00:50:49 ◼   ► I don't know what it says.

00:50:50 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:50:51 ◼   ► - Does it look like a real calendar event?

00:50:53 ◼   ► - It kinda does.

00:50:55 ◼   ► - Also, what time is it in this picture?

00:50:57 ◼   ► Well, I can, I cannot read it.

00:50:59 ◼   ► So what is it?

00:51:00 ◼   ► - It's half past 11.

00:51:01 ◼   ► - Past 11.

00:51:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, half past 11.

00:51:04 ◼   ► And 'cause this is one of the things

00:51:05 ◼   ► that Dee Griffin said in the thing,

00:51:06 ◼   ► like he was kind of roasting Tim Cook's

00:51:08 ◼   ► apple rings for the day.

00:51:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, exactly.

00:51:12 ◼   ► - You got some work to do, man.

00:51:13 ◼   ► It's half past 11, what are you doing?

00:51:15 ◼   ► 'Cause Tim Cook is like a morning workout person.

00:51:17 ◼   ► - But he's traveling, you know?

00:51:19 ◼   ► So we all slip a little bit when we travel.

00:51:22 ◼   ► - Hey, I wasn't the one who said it, you know?

00:51:25 ◼   ► - Well, I would have exercised,

00:51:27 ◼   ► but somebody stole my heart monitor.

00:51:29 ◼   ► So.

00:51:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's true.

00:51:31 ◼   ► There's nothing you can do about that.

00:51:32 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:51:33 ◼   ► - It says like 2 p.m. N14305, depart vid p.

00:51:38 ◼   ► Vid p?

00:51:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:43 ◼   ► - Glad we got that.

00:51:44 ◼   ► - I got the high quality version from Tim's tweet.

00:51:46 ◼   ► - Oh, good thinking.

00:51:48 ◼   ► - Oh, nice, okay.

00:51:50 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:51:51 ◼   ► - So I kinda got it, I got it now.

00:51:55 ◼   ► N14305, you know what?

00:51:57 ◼   ► I bet it's like some kind of flight thing.

00:51:59 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's like a-

00:52:00 ◼   ► - That's Tim's private jet, man.

00:52:03 ◼   ► - So it's probably a real kind of event.

00:52:05 ◼   ► - I think it's just his watch.

00:52:06 ◼   ► I think that's just his thing.

00:52:08 ◼   ► - Oh, we have real time feedback in the Discord.

00:52:11 ◼   ► Vid p is Indira Gandhi Airport.

00:52:13 ◼   ► - There you go, see, that's his private jet.

00:52:15 ◼   ► - It's real.

00:52:16 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:52:17 ◼   ► - That's his private jet.

00:52:18 ◼   ► No, here's the, I think it's a real watch, right?

00:52:21 ◼   ► But like it is connected to Tim's phone.

00:52:25 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:52:25 ◼   ► - But it is like a very specific,

00:52:28 ◼   ► 'cause as well, here's a question.

00:52:31 ◼   ► Do Apple executives use their own phone

00:52:34 ◼   ► or is it a work phone and are they separate?

00:52:37 ◼   ► - Oh, I bet they're separate phones.

00:52:38 ◼   ► - Right, so I bet that watch is connected

00:52:41 ◼   ► to Tim's work iPhone.

00:52:43 ◼   ► So like all the data's real,

00:52:44 ◼   ► but they are set up in such a way that it is like-

00:52:47 ◼   ► - Right, he's not gonna get a text from a family member,

00:52:49 ◼   ► you know, in front of the press.

00:52:51 ◼   ► - Sanitize, exactly.

00:52:52 ◼   ► - Do you ever get the curiosity to like ask,

00:52:56 ◼   ► like imagine in a scenario in which you could ask

00:52:59 ◼   ► these executives like super mundane questions,

00:53:02 ◼   ► like, "Hey Craig, do you like broccoli?"

00:53:05 ◼   ► Or like, "Are you good at Tetris?"

00:53:07 ◼   ► Like-

00:53:08 ◼   ► - It is honestly my ideal type of question

00:53:11 ◼   ► to ask someone in this position,

00:53:13 ◼   ► but it's not something that anyone

00:53:15 ◼   ► would ever be happy with me doing.

00:53:16 ◼   ► - I know, that's the problem.

00:53:18 ◼   ► Like you're not, you're like, I would super want to know

00:53:21 ◼   ► like, "Hey, what's your, I don't know,

00:53:22 ◼   ► your favorite food or something?"

00:53:24 ◼   ► Like, you know?

00:53:26 ◼   ► - 'Cause also there is rarely a question

00:53:29 ◼   ► which they can, like if we had the opportunity

00:53:32 ◼   ► to have Tim on the show, right?

00:53:34 ◼   ► - Right.

00:53:35 ◼   ► - And we said to him like-

00:53:37 ◼   ► - Do you like broccoli?

00:53:38 ◼   ► - No, but like if we asked him the actual questions

00:53:40 ◼   ► that people would want you to ask him,

00:53:42 ◼   ► the answers by and large will be unsatisfactory.

00:53:45 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:53:46 ◼   ► - And so like you have to do enough work

00:53:49 ◼   ► to try and come up with getting a tech focused answer

00:53:52 ◼   ► which could be interesting, right?

00:53:53 ◼   ► So like that is hard work.

00:53:55 ◼   ► It would be more fun to be like,

00:53:57 ◼   ► "Hey, Tim, what do you have for breakfast?"

00:54:00 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:54:01 ◼   ► - Like I think that would just be

00:54:01 ◼   ► a more interesting conversation to have,

00:54:03 ◼   ► but like no one would be happy with that

00:54:05 ◼   ► except the three of us.

00:54:06 ◼   ► - Well, that would be, yeah, yeah.

00:54:08 ◼   ► - Well, speaking of watches,

00:54:10 ◼   ► it looks like Apple's Pride watch face and band have leaked.

00:54:15 ◼   ► There's an article over on 9to5 speaking of them.

00:54:18 ◼   ► And it's a kind of confetti theme this year.

00:54:21 ◼   ► - Steven, nobody's speaking of 9to5.

00:54:23 ◼   ► That was cold, Mac.

00:54:24 ◼   ► - Oh, no.

00:54:25 ◼   ► - This is what happens when you hit your head.

00:54:26 ◼   ► - Look, all these Mac websites look the same.

00:54:28 ◼   ► - Keep the Mac website separate.

00:54:29 ◼   ► - They all look the same.

00:54:30 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:54:31 ◼   ► - There's blue navigation.

00:54:32 ◼   ► - Oh, no.

00:54:32 ◼   ► - You know.

00:54:33 ◼   ► - Uh-huh.

00:54:34 ◼   ► Well, 9to5 have that thing now where they,

00:54:37 ◼   ► did they have the thing with the comment

00:54:38 ◼   ► where they're like, "Look at this top comment."

00:54:40 ◼   ► So they've changed that.

00:54:42 ◼   ► - Oh, I don't know.

00:54:42 ◼   ► I use a content blocker, so probably.

00:54:45 ◼   ► - So they're different now.

00:54:46 ◼   ► Yeah, this is a confetti kind of sprinkles is the theme

00:54:51 ◼   ► it looks like.

00:54:52 ◼   ► - No, I kind of like it.

00:54:53 ◼   ► - So like this is for the watch face and the watch band.

00:54:58 ◼   ► I think this might end up being my first Apple Sport Loop

00:55:03 ◼   ► band.

00:55:03 ◼   ► - Oh, it's another loop?

00:55:05 ◼   ► Oh, no.

00:55:06 ◼   ► - You know it is, right?

00:55:07 ◼   ► Like that's all they do now.

00:55:08 ◼   ► - Oh, no.

00:55:09 ◼   ► - It's gonna be a loop for sure.

00:55:11 ◼   ► - Why?

00:55:12 ◼   ► - 'Cause that's what they make.

00:55:13 ◼   ► - Enough with the loops.

00:55:13 ◼   ► I mean, come on, enough with the loops.

00:55:16 ◼   ► - Just saying, it's out there.

00:55:17 ◼   ► - I really dig the look, but not another loop.

00:55:23 ◼   ► I've never had one.

00:55:24 ◼   ► So maybe this would be my first chance to get one.

00:55:27 ◼   ► But it does look super cool.

00:55:29 ◼   ► - It does look cool.

00:55:30 ◼   ► - If people want a t-shirt to go with that, by the way,

00:55:33 ◼   ► the parallel podcasts here on Relay FM,

00:55:35 ◼   ► they just put out a sprinkled focused t-shirt,

00:55:38 ◼   ► accessibility sprinkles, which is the tagline of the show.

00:55:41 ◼   ► So this will fit with that visually.

00:55:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, go full sprinkles.

00:55:47 ◼   ► Well, speaking of Mac websites, nailed it.

00:55:52 ◼   ► Did y'all see this on MacRumors about Beats Studio Buds Plus

00:55:56 ◼   ► that look incredible?

00:55:58 ◼   ► So these are, it's like a frosted transparency.

00:56:02 ◼   ► Like they're not perfectly see-through, like the...

00:56:06 ◼   ► - They're kind of like the nothing new one.

00:56:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, but I love the way these look.

00:56:11 ◼   ► I don't know if I have any feelings about the Buds Plus.

00:56:13 ◼   ► I've never tried them, but everything should look like this.

00:56:17 ◼   ► - Mary tried these?

00:56:18 ◼   ► - She may have.

00:56:21 ◼   ► - I don't remember what she's tried over the years.

00:56:22 ◼   ► She's currently using the Powerbeats Pro

00:56:24 ◼   ► 'cause she likes the ear loop,

00:56:26 ◼   ► you know, that goes like over the outside of the ear.

00:56:27 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:56:28 ◼   ► - But...

00:56:29 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:56:30 ◼   ► - Hey, Apple, if you think you have courage,

00:56:34 ◼   ► if you think you really have courage,

00:56:36 ◼   ► make your next iPhone like this.

00:56:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, dude, yes.

00:56:39 ◼   ► - Give me a see-through iPhone that looks like this.

00:56:44 ◼   ► - I would go as far to say,

00:56:46 ◼   ► if they only did this on the regular phone and not the Pro,

00:56:50 ◼   ► I would forego the Pro for a phone that looked like this.

00:56:53 ◼   ► - Ah, interesting challenge, okay.

00:56:56 ◼   ► - I love this look.

00:56:57 ◼   ► - As you are halfway through that sentence,

00:57:00 ◼   ► I was gonna agree, but then I'd stop.

00:57:02 ◼   ► - But then think of all the things you're gonna miss.

00:57:05 ◼   ► - Exactly, that would be very difficult.

00:57:07 ◼   ► - Let me pay, like,

00:57:08 ◼   ► I would honestly pay a high premium

00:57:14 ◼   ► to get a Pro version of the iPhone that looks like this.

00:57:17 ◼   ► - To be fair, if they did offer it in the regular iPhone,

00:57:21 ◼   ► it's actually not that much of a thing

00:57:23 ◼   ► for Steven to say he would buy it,

00:57:24 ◼   ► because through the course of a model year,

00:57:26 ◼   ► Steven buys all of them.

00:57:28 ◼   ► - To be fair, it's kind of easy for you, yeah.

00:57:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause you always just buy different sized phones

00:57:33 ◼   ► and just change them up.

00:57:33 ◼   ► - But like, we poor people just buy it once.

00:57:37 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:57:38 ◼   ► And so we gotta really make a good decision.

00:57:40 ◼   ► - Wait, we poor people who buy every iPhone year

00:57:44 ◼   ► just buy one of them?

00:57:45 ◼   ► - We, the poor ones.

00:57:46 ◼   ► - I guess, yes, we're not hack it, you know?

00:57:48 ◼   ► - Well, you know, we're not hack it.

00:57:49 ◼   ► - You know, Kate just said in the Discord,

00:57:52 ◼   ► Mr. Flip-Flop, which now has a new meaning.

00:57:55 ◼   ► - Oh!

00:57:56 ◼   ► - Oh no, there's the joke.

00:57:58 ◼   ► - He also flip-flopped his actual truck.

00:58:02 ◼   ► - Was it all for the show?

00:58:04 ◼   ► - No, I assure you it was not.

00:58:06 ◼   ► - Were you keeping a persona there?

00:58:08 ◼   ► Were you in character?

00:58:10 ◼   ► - No, no.

00:58:11 ◼   ► - He wanted to add to that Wikipedia article thing,

00:58:15 ◼   ► the Wiki, the Wiki fan Wiki thing.

00:58:17 ◼   ► What is it?

00:58:18 ◼   ► - Wiki fan?

00:58:20 ◼   ► What's a Wiki fan?

00:58:21 ◼   ► - Wiki, there's like a fan focused Wiki thing

00:58:24 ◼   ► where someone's keeping track of all of the devices

00:58:26 ◼   ► that Steven has broken.

00:58:28 ◼   ► - Oh yes, yes. - Unbelievably.

00:58:29 ◼   ► - Someone add a 2015 Toyota Tacoma to that.

00:58:33 ◼   ► - These ones, the Beast Studio Buds, the regular ones,

00:58:37 ◼   ► these are Austin Evans's favorite earphones.

00:58:40 ◼   ► He likes the, like, just enjoy,

00:58:42 ◼   ► and he says they sound great.

00:58:44 ◼   ► These are the plus, and so they've enhanced

00:58:48 ◼   ► the noise cancellation and transparency features,

00:58:51 ◼   ► 'cause they're effectively AirPods Pro,

00:58:52 ◼   ► they have the features of an AirPods Pro,

00:58:55 ◼   ► but they're longer battery life.

00:58:57 ◼   ► - I'm often fascinated by Austin's tech choices,

00:58:59 ◼   ► because a lot of times I super agree with Austin.

00:59:04 ◼   ► - Yeah, he gets to try everything, right?

00:59:09 ◼   ► So like, I would never try the Beats Studio Buds,

00:59:12 ◼   ► but he's like, these are for him,

00:59:14 ◼   ► he's like, I like these as much as AirPods,

00:59:16 ◼   ► but the case he likes more,

00:59:18 ◼   ► and the physical size he likes more,

00:59:20 ◼   ► because it just goes right in the ears,

00:59:22 ◼   ► and it's like the whole stem thing, so.

00:59:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, now I'm gonna buy these.

00:59:27 ◼   ► I know myself.

00:59:28 ◼   ► - I mean, the fact that I think you and I

00:59:32 ◼   ► bought the Nothing earbuds

00:59:33 ◼   ► means that you should probably buy these,

00:59:35 ◼   ► because you're at least more likely to use these.

00:59:37 ◼   ► - I'm still using them,

00:59:39 ◼   ► they are my Nintendo Switch earbuds, yes.

00:59:41 ◼   ► - Oh.

00:59:43 ◼   ► - Last up before we finish today,

00:59:44 ◼   ► I recommend people go read Steven's art

00:59:46 ◼   ► called the Everything Headset.

00:59:48 ◼   ► I like Steven's take on the headset, it's a good take.

00:59:51 ◼   ► - Thanks, thank you.

00:59:52 ◼   ► Yeah, I was happy with that.

00:59:53 ◼   ► There's been a lot of conversation about,

00:59:55 ◼   ► is Apple gonna release this without a focus, right?

00:59:58 ◼   ► What is it, can Apple really say what it's good for?

01:00:02 ◼   ► And it just kind of made me think about the other times

01:00:04 ◼   ► Apple has announced a non-Mac product,

01:00:08 ◼   ► so iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch.

01:00:11 ◼   ► And over the years, they've become more complex.

01:00:15 ◼   ► And you know, the Watch and the iPad kind of,

01:00:17 ◼   ► well, maybe the iPad still hasn't found its way,

01:00:19 ◼   ► but the Watch found its way.

01:00:20 ◼   ► And I'm just not worried about that going into W3C.

01:00:24 ◼   ► I think Apple needs to make something

01:00:27 ◼   ► that has a little bit of something for everybody,

01:00:28 ◼   ► 'cause everything is a computer,

01:00:30 ◼   ► and the headset's gotta do a bunch of different stuff,

01:00:33 ◼   ► and I think it's okay that they don't have

01:00:35 ◼   ► a killer feature at this point.

01:00:38 ◼   ► - It's one of the final sentences that really gets me,

01:00:43 ◼   ► when you say, in a sense,

01:00:44 ◼   ► every new product needs to be brought now.

01:00:47 ◼   ► That is so true, especially in the tech field,

01:00:51 ◼   ► and not just for hardware products,

01:00:53 ◼   ► but like for services, for operating systems.

01:00:56 ◼   ► Like everything needs to do

01:00:58 ◼   ► a little bit of everything right now.

01:01:00 ◼   ► And yeah, that really captures it, Steven.

01:01:03 ◼   ► That's the excellent use of the English language, yes.

01:01:09 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:01:10 ◼   ► - To cover that from the same conclusion,

01:01:13 ◼   ► like a slightly different angle,

01:01:15 ◼   ► of like, imagine Apple knows

01:01:17 ◼   ► what the killer app might be, right?

01:01:19 ◼   ► And like, imagine to them,

01:01:20 ◼   ► they're like, the new FaceTime is like it, right?

01:01:23 ◼   ► Like this very realistic, like co-present kind of idea.

01:01:28 ◼   ► And like, imagine that they just know it,

01:01:29 ◼   ► and they're like, we are 100% certain,

01:01:31 ◼   ► it's so good, so transformative,

01:01:33 ◼   ► people will just use FaceTime,

01:01:35 ◼   ► we've made this whole new thing,

01:01:36 ◼   ► and like, it's what people are gonna buy this for.

01:01:39 ◼   ► Even if that was the case,

01:01:41 ◼   ► and it would be proven out

01:01:43 ◼   ► that when people got it and used it,

01:01:45 ◼   ► they're like, yep, this is the killer app,

01:01:47 ◼   ► like they're right.

01:01:48 ◼   ► If that was what they got up on stage,

01:01:50 ◼   ► and said, this is all this does, crucified.

01:01:54 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:01:54 ◼   ► - Even if they made it, and they knew they were right,

01:01:56 ◼   ► and like, that's the killer app,

01:01:57 ◼   ► and it's all anyone's gonna use,

01:01:59 ◼   ► but it can't access your calendar,

01:02:01 ◼   ► and it can't access your messages,

01:02:04 ◼   ► like people will be like, what are you doing?

01:02:06 ◼   ► This thing is a failure, I need, you know.

01:02:09 ◼   ► So it is that idea that you said,

01:02:11 ◼   ► like the table stakes of like,

01:02:13 ◼   ► if you wanna make a device where,

01:02:15 ◼   ► remember, this is a full operating system,

01:02:17 ◼   ► because ideally, it's supposed to be

01:02:20 ◼   ► a replacement for something, right?

01:02:22 ◼   ► Whether that's the iPhone, the Mac, or whatever, right?

01:02:24 ◼   ► Like, these devices are being created to be the next X,

01:02:29 ◼   ► which means it has to replace something.

01:02:31 ◼   ► You've got to be able to come into it

01:02:33 ◼   ► with like a full complement of whatever.

01:02:36 ◼   ► And so if you come into it,

01:02:37 ◼   ► it should be like it does this one thing,

01:02:38 ◼   ► but trust us, it's really good.

01:02:40 ◼   ► Like, that's not gonna be good enough.

01:02:41 ◼   ► - I mean, don't get me wrong,

01:02:43 ◼   ► I still think they have an uphill battle here.

01:02:45 ◼   ► I think this is not as obvious as a category

01:02:48 ◼   ► as the watch was.

01:02:50 ◼   ► And I mean, even if it's close to the rumored price,

01:02:54 ◼   ► that's a big ask.

01:02:56 ◼   ► So we'll see how it goes,

01:02:57 ◼   ► but out of all the things to worry about this in advance,

01:03:00 ◼   ► the it being broad and kind of doing

01:03:02 ◼   ► a little bit of everything,

01:03:03 ◼   ► that I think that's totally fine.

01:03:05 ◼   ► And in fact, I think it's actually probably a good thing.

01:03:08 ◼   ► - If I may add one last thing,

01:03:09 ◼   ► just on what you said about the Apple Watch,

01:03:10 ◼   ► just like a really interesting comparison

01:03:12 ◼   ► of like thinking back, we cast our mind back.

01:03:14 ◼   ► The Apple Watch, the idea of a watch

01:03:18 ◼   ► was like people wanted that.

01:03:19 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

01:03:20 ◼   ► - That was a thing that was, I feel like,

01:03:22 ◼   ► universally enough of like, this is what they should do.

01:03:25 ◼   ► This is interesting as an idea.

01:03:27 ◼   ► That is not the sentiment for this product.

01:03:30 ◼   ► Like the entire category,

01:03:33 ◼   ► I think people are at least in our community, right?

01:03:37 ◼   ► But I think in general as well,

01:03:38 ◼   ► much more skeptical of like this entire product category.

01:03:43 ◼   ► So the idea of the uphill battle,

01:03:45 ◼   ► especially even compared to the Apple Watch

01:03:46 ◼   ► is definitely the case.

01:03:48 ◼   ► Also a hundred percent even further

01:03:50 ◼   ► for something like the iPhone.

01:03:52 ◼   ► So it's gonna be interesting.

01:03:54 ◼   ► - I think that does it for this week.

01:03:55 ◼   ► If you wanna find links to the stuff we spoke about,

01:03:58 ◼   ► including all the apps that Mike mentioned

01:04:00 ◼   ► and Tim Cook's watch face,

01:04:02 ◼   ► you can go roast it yourself and try it out.

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01:05:07 ◼   ► Mike hosts a bunch of other shows here on relay.fm

01:05:09 ◼   ► and he's the co-founder of Cortex brand,

01:05:12 ◼   ► maker of amazing products.

01:05:14 ◼   ► You can find him on Mastodon.

01:05:17 ◼   ► He is Mike at, I'm gonna get it wrong.

01:05:20 ◼   ► He is Mike, he is iMike and mike.social.

01:05:23 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:05:24 ◼   ► - Yes, he's Mike.

01:05:25 ◼   ► - He's Mike.

01:05:26 ◼   ► - I'm just Mike.

01:05:28 ◼   ► You just, he's up to you, you know?

01:05:29 ◼   ► - He is iMike.

01:05:30 ◼   ► Set a Google up for me and find me there.

01:05:33 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:05:33 ◼   ► - I'm mike at mike.social.

01:05:35 ◼   ► Federico is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net,

01:05:40 ◼   ► home of Automation April,

01:05:41 ◼   ► which we didn't talk about this week,

01:05:43 ◼   ► but it's the end of April almost.

01:05:45 ◼   ► - It's wrapped up and we're now judging the shortcuts

01:05:48 ◼   ► that people submitted to the contest.

01:05:50 ◼   ► - Awesome.

01:05:51 ◼   ► Overall, don't tip your hand.

01:05:53 ◼   ► Some good stuff in there this year?

01:05:55 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, oh yeah.

01:05:56 ◼   ► Some really interesting stuff.

01:05:58 ◼   ► And now the problem is that I'm gonna spend

01:06:01 ◼   ► way too much time on some individual shortcuts

01:06:05 ◼   ► because I wanna play around with them,

01:06:07 ◼   ► but my job is to be fast and quick

01:06:09 ◼   ► with all the hundreds of submissions that we got.

01:06:12 ◼   ► So yeah, there's some really good stuff in there.

01:06:15 ◼   ► - Cool, I'm looking forward to it.

01:06:16 ◼   ► You can find Federico at mastodon.maxstories.net as Vitici.

01:06:21 ◼   ► You can find my writing at 512pixels.net

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01:06:37 ◼   ► Until next time guys, say goodbye.

01:06:39 ◼   ► - Adios, etchí.

01:06:40 ◼   ► - Cheerio.