447: Mr. Flip Flop
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From Relay FM Disconnected, episode 447.
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Today's show is brought to you by Electric and Fast Growing Trees.
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I'm one of your co-hosts, Mr. Federico Iitici.
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And it's my pleasure to introduce to you the returning guest and co-host.
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Are you a guest or are you a co-host?
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Can you be both?
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Mr. Stephen Hackett.
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Hello, Stephen.
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I missed one week.
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Well, we'll see if you can be promoted back to co-host again.
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How are you?
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It is good to be back.
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And it's good to be joined by Mr. Mike Hurley.
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Hello, I have two observations so far about the beginning of the episode.
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Observation one, when Federico starts the show,
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it starts with an intense energy.
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The second is the way you said your name sounded different to me.
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And I wondered if you either stumbled or you
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have like an Italian way of saying Federico Vittici that you don't usually say in English.
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I do have an Italian way to say my name, yes.
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Can I hear it?
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Like as I would pronounce my name?
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If you're someone in Italy.
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Ask me, hey, what's--
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Who is Italian?
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Can you give me your full name?
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What is your name?
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I got to switch modes.
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This is weird because I don't usually do it.
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Federico Vittici.
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Yeah, no, that wasn't it.
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It sounded like you put way less emphasis on the consonants.
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Like, but anyway, it doesn't matter.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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We can move on from this.
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The Pixel tablet has been spotted at a Google event as part of Milan Design Week.
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Federico, there you go.
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If you want to--
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I was there, I was there just hanging out with my buddies,
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Aguchi and Fendi.
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You got to get over there.
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Yeah, I saw it.
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I was actually backstage with all my fashion friends.
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So which of the colors that they had was your favorite color?
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Oh, the pink one.
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The pink one is really good.
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I'm not surprised.
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It's the color of 2023, they tell me.
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I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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It was good though.
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It was convincing.
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You know, one of the things about me, I think, is like I don't usually use this talent,
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but I think if I applied myself, I could be a pretty good liar, just in general.
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The problem with what you've said there is I don't know if you're telling the truth.
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And is it something you want to be good at?
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In fact, I don't use that talent.
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But I think if I were to put myself in a position where I had to use it,
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I think I would be a pretty good one.
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I think that we have all faced this.
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And what I will do now is say something and provide no context for it.
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So people that have been listening for long enough will know what it is.
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People that don't, won't.
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And that's what you get.
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It's like that time when you told us that there was a concern that you had skin cancer.
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And now we move on, because Federico was lying to us.
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So this is...
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No, you don't get anything.
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I didn't tell you I was sick.
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You did that thing.
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I just told you I needed to get it checked out.
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And it was all part of an elaborate plan to fool you.
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No, no, no, no more details.
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That's where you end, right?
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You did that, okay?
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So this is the price you pay now.
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That's what I'm saying though.
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For the greater good, I can be a pretty good liar.
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That was for the greater good of 600 people.
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Yeah, exactly.
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But that's the end of that, okay?
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To make him have a good time.
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But this is proof that the Pixel tablet does still exist,
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as we were wondering about last week.
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Maybe we're going to see about it in a couple of weeks' time.
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When is Google I/O again?
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It's on May 10th, I think?
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Oh, so it's before the new Zelda.
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So basically I'm organizing my life this year,
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as in before Zelda and after Zelda.
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So this one is before Zelda.
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BZ and AZ, as we call it now.
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Fine, I'll watch it then.
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Didn't they announce this tablet like five years ago?
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It was at last Google I/O.
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And then in the Pixel event, they showed it off again
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and still said it's coming.
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And now we're all the way around to a new one
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where they're maybe going to announce a folding phone
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and that tablet still is yet to ship.
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I wish them the best of luck with this,
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because they have really struggled in the tablet area
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for a long time.
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Maybe this is the year.
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My expectation is that this is because of the folding phone stuff
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coming to kind of like vanilla Android,
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that Android screens are going to get bigger.
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So maybe they're like, well, we can now put...
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Maybe there'll be interest in tablet apps again.
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That's my expectation for why they're doing this.
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I don't think it's going to work out.
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But like realistically, I don't know how well Pixel works
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for Google in general.
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So maybe this will just be another thing
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that slots into that current place
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that they have in their lineup as a company.
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The action button has been spotted.
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MacRumors is reporting on some CAD drawings
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that certified accessory makers have
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been given to start building cases and stuff.
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This design shows two separate volume buttons,
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just like we have now.
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So that discussion about it being one long button
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may not be panning out.
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The action button is above it where the ringer silent switch
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And it looks to be about the same size
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as the ringer silent switch.
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I thought this had gone away.
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Why are we back here again?
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Like last week, we were saying, oh, these rumors are wrong.
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They're not doing it anymore.
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Now they're doing it.
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Now it's back.
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How are we back till there's a button again?
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Now there's a button again.
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And I don't know what I was expecting.
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I guess in my mind, they were going
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to use the kind of all-in-one volume button that rocked back
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and forth like they did way back on the iPhone 3G and 3GS,
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and the action button be separate.
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Although looking at this design, it has dawned on me,
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if they're all three separate buttons,
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they can't be the same size because you wouldn't know
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where you were just by touch.
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But it's kind of puny looking.
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It isn't just one button.
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This is three separate buttons.
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Three separate buttons.
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The opposite.
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Are you getting it?
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So what is the thinking that there is now
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going to be an action button, but the action button
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will physically move?
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Like that's the difference?
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Yeah, I guess so.
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I mean, even better, right?
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Or they all move.
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Didn't they get rid of the solid state buttons too?
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Wait, what are you saying?
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So this-- I'm just going to read from this report.
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Stephen, we spoke about this like two weeks ago
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on this show.
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It's hard to remember.
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This isn't good.
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I don't like this vibe.
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Do you really not remember this?
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Do they get rid of the buttons or not?
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This report says two mechanical volume buttons
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and additional mechanical button that replaces
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the ring or silent switch.
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So all three buttons move.
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The conversation was that these buttons were not
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going to move, right?
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And that the idea that the action button was going to exist
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went away because they would have to go back
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to physical moving things again.
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They would put the solid state off for a year.
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So then the idea was like the switch would come back.
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That there wouldn't be an action button because--
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Yeah, now it says there are three buttons.
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The action button is here, and they're all three mechanical,
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physical buttons.
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A lot of stuff going on in this phone.
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I mean, personally, as long as there's a customizable action
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button, whether it's a solid state one
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or physically moves, that is not why
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I care about this ultimately.
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Actually, maybe even better if it's a physical one.
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I would prefer the button to physically move
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and for it to be an action button
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if I'm going to have to have that.
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Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll take that.
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Like all these-- I don't have a strong opinion
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about moving from physical to solid state or vice versa.
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Like just give me a customizable button,
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I'm going to be happy regardless.
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So yeah, cool.
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Go CAD makers.
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You know, whatever.
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Yeah, go CAD people.
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CAD people, yeah.
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We were talking about apps, Mac apps last week.
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Federico wanted some suggestions.
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I have some suggestions.
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But I wanted to follow up and say I tried out some of the things
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that you mentioned.
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One of them-- what was the--
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the Alt-Tab one, what was that called?
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Alt-Tab, yeah.
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Is that what it's called, just Alt-Tab?
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Alt-Tab, yeah.
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That app works so badly with Stage Manager.
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Ah, I'm sorry about that.
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I can't imagine.
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So you know in Stage Manager, you've
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got the little preview windows that are off to the side.
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Oh yeah, the strip.
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Yeah, that's how they show in the Alt-Tab preview thing.
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So like they're all like little half windows.
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It's not good.
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It's not their fault, right?
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Like this is just the way that goes, I guess.
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But that was that.
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But Lasso, the window management app, me and Lasso
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have been getting on very well together.
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That is an excellent app.
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I'm using it as a like second system.
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So I'm still using Moom for my like keyboard shortcut enabled
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like basic templates that I like,
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like a centered window or two windows side by side,
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that kind of thing.
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What I'm using Lasso for is for like ad hoc window placement.
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And that system of drawing makes so much sense.
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What I wish I could do though, I don't
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know if there's an app that exists
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or if this is even possible.
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I want to be able to draw the exact space
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that I wanted to occupy, not take up the blocks.
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Maybe like or like a customizable grid
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or like a non-grid system.
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Yeah, a non-grid system.
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Like you know how you take a screenshot using Clean Shot?
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I want to do that, but for windows, right?
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Like occupy this exact space for me.
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Yeah, that's an excellent suggestion.
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Maybe if the developer is listening to this,
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maybe they could consider it.
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I like that a lot.
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I don't know if that's possible, but I would like that.
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So but the passionate ones wrote in.
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We got lots of suggestions.
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I took out the ones that I know you know about.
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And I know this because I know you and also
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some of the suggestions that John gave you
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on the last episode of App Stories
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like overlapped with some of these.
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So Cameron wrote in and said, if you like Almighty,
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you should check out Pastepal.
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It's by the same developer.
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It's a cool clipboard manager.
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I'm using the Raycast clipboard manager, but oh, this looks nice.
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I like that it--
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wait, is this everywhere?
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iPhone, iPad, Mac.
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Does it sync?
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I like the visual--
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yeah, sync clipboard history.
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Oh, this is an excellent one.
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There you go.
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I like the visual aspect of it on Mac OS.
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Started off well from Cameron there.
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Very well, very well, very well.
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Wes recommends Hookmark, which is an app that lets you instantly
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create markdown links to the current file, web page,
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and more that you can paste anywhere.
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So I am familiar with this one.
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Is this the app that has like a white paper that you
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got to read to understand it?
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The guy behind it-- we've had him on Mac Power Users before.
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He's big into like cognitive research.
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And the app is kind of based around some of his work
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in that field.
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Hookmark is cool.
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My favorite feature of it is that you
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can get a URL to an Apple note, like a deep link.
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It's like something you should be able to do,
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but Apple doesn't do on its own.
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But the idea is it's kind of like a launcher
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for things local on your computer in the file system.
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And you can get links to basically anything
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on the system anywhere.
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Man, this is actually pretty cool, though.
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You can create links.
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And these are like custom URL schemes, basically,
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that reopen just anything you want, even if it doesn't have,
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like you said, like an Apple note or a file.
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But you can get a link to a file and save it
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in your task manager or something,
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and it's going to work.
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Those links are going to be Mac only, for sure.
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Yeah, they are.
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So I'm going to have tabs open for all of this.
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Well, Federico, like all of links,
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you can be like the listeners when the episode comes out.
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You can get them all in the show notes.
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In the show notes, you're right.
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I'm selecting them all, putting them all in,
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so you'll be able to get them.
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Carrying on, we have Luke, who recommends Dropover,
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and says it's a very slick shelf app--
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you know, you love a shelf app--
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that appears when you wiggle your mouse while dragging.
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Ooh, look at that.
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So you could run custom scripts by dropping a file onto them.
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Even shortcuts?
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Instant actions?
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If this lets me assign an individual shortcut, yeah,
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it seems like you can.
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There's a command bar.
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Because I do this all the time.
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I select images in Finder, and then I drop them
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into the icon for my upload shortcut
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that I have in the dock.
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But if I could just select and wiggle the cursor a little,
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and the shortcut appears underneath the cursor
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without having to go over to the dock,
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that would be even better.
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It's a cute UI.
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I like the UI.
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These are all excellent so far.
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Jose has a selection of them.
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Queue blocker, which adds a delay when
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you press Command-Q so you don't quit apps by mistake.
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Oh, that's good.
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This is on GitHub, though.
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So I don't know.
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You don't come at me, all right?
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Kind of scary.
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That's on the sketchy side, maybe.
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Back when I used Safari, because I've been back
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in Chrome for a long time, I changed just Safaris--
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I'm getting to that at some point.
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--to Command-Option-Q, because quitting Safari
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is a sadness when you have a bunch of tabs open.
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And Chrome has the built-in delay,
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which people think isn't very Mac-like,
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but I'd rather have a delay than close 40 tabs,
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and I'm working on something.
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Yeah, that's it.
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I know that people don't like that,
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but maybe it's not Mac-like.
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But it is a good user feature to have if you want it, right?
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A delayed browser is eventually good.
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A delayed quit is eventually good and a bad--
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and quit is always bad.
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I turn that feature off because I don't use Chrome enough,
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so it trips me up.
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But if Chrome was my browser, I would leave that feature on,
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because it really annoys me when I do accidentally quit Safari.
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Yeah, it's a bummer.
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Mission Control Plus, which adds extra functionality
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to Mission Control.
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I use it already.
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Yes, I love this.
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I love this one.
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Let's you close Windows.
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For dragging and dropping files between spaces,
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if that's the thing that you do.
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I don't use spaces.
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And this one was really interesting to me.
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It's called Text Sniper.
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The UI is you're taking a screenshot.
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But what it's doing is copying the text that is in the screenshot
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that you've taken.
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Oh my god, this is like what live text should be.
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Yeah, but-- yeah, I said live text, but much more convenient.
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Because in--
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So whatever text is in the screenshot window
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that you've drawn, it will then copy it to your clipboard.
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I love this.
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Isn't that clever?
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I think this one's on setup.
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I'll check that.
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But I want to check that before I--
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The Discord is upset that their Safari reopens tabs
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when they quit it.
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And so maybe I don't have a mindset to do that,
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or I need to revisit.
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I haven't used Safari very much in a long time.
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There are asterisks to that.
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I have found that sometimes if you have multiple windows open,
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it maybe doesn't always open all the windows.
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But you can reopen all the windows from the last session,
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which is a thing that you can do.
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There are things that you can set up.
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But for me, it's not ever really a problem for me
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because I use tab groups.
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And so they're always there, suits across all my devices.
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Anyway, the last recommendation for you I have, Federico,
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is called Latest.
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And it comes from Eshoo, who says,
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"It's a super simple app that checks all of your Sparkle
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and App Store apps for updates, puts the release
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notes in one place, and that you update them all with one click.
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It's pretty lightweight and open source,
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makes updating Mac apps outside the App Store much easier."
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Download it immediately.
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I love this.
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I would love if people have other recommendations,
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just keep sending them in.
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You can hear what we like, what's interesting to us.
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And this is a good resource for everybody.
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So go to connectedfeedback.com and you can write those in.
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It already found three updates for me,
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including, oddly enough, the latest app itself.
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Oh, that's good.
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Which I just downloaded, but this is perfect.
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OK, well, thank you.
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That is an interesting user choice,
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like a choice of development choices.
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I actually think it would be--
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Oh, was it done on purpose?
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You would always download the previous version
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from the website, so the first time you run it
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there's always something there.
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Oh, that's clever.
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I don't know if they've done that, but if this was my app,
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I would do it that way.
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That is genius.
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And yes, I'm installing updates already.
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Steven, would you like me to create a toggle
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in the connected feedback page so it will say, like--
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Mac app suggestions.
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Thank you all.
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Oh, the passionate ones are the best ones.
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Yep, they really are.
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Excellent taste.
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Excellent taste, really.
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I mean, see, you have a good audience.
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I'm enjoying that you all are becoming Mac power users,
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you know, these little utilities.
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Get it done.
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I wanted to mention--
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I meant to say it when you were talking about window management,
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but I missed my opportunity.
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I'm using magnet for this, because using--
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you know, I'm using a MacBook Pro and a studio display,
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and they're both open.
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You know, both use--
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the Mac Pro is not in clamshell mode or anything.
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I'm using it as a second screen.
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But then when I go unplug it and use it in the house
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or at a coffee shop or something,
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everything's madness, because all the window sizing
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is different.
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And I mean, I like magnet.
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I like the-- it's kind of on a grid system,
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and it's all keyboard-based.
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But I've downloaded Lasso to try it,
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because I think from looking at this website, what it can do
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looks really awesome.
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If we were not Mac power users, but it was a level lower,
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It's like it wasn't like power.
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Like, what would it be?
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You know what I'm saying?
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You're like a Mac Pro user.
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You and David are like the Mac power users,
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and we're just like the lower than power.
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Lower than power.
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Yeah, we'll be like Mac prosumer users or something.
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No, we'll be like-- well, we'll be like--
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before power, what's-- so before power, Mac medium user,
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Mac ignition user.
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If you've got power, like power ranges,
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we could be like the Mac Ranger users.
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Kate said Mac current users.
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That's good.
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That's Mac current.
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We can work on that one.
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I did some real world reporting last week,
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Watch and iPhone really works.
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I'm so sorry.
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Can you tell us the whole story?
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So there's a picture in the show notes of this.
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The picture is not upsetting.
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Well, I will say it might be upsetting
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if you have been in the situation Steven was in.
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But there's no like--
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You know, there's not like a person hanging out
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of the car or anything.
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It's just a very smashed up Toyota Tacoma.
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Yeah, so last week I was driving home from--
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I'd taken one of my kids to school,
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and then I helped my mom run an errand,
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and then I was coming home from that from a direction
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that I don't normally like enter my neighborhood.
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And on the other end of my neighborhood,
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there's a stoplight, but it's a completely residential area.
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So like all four sides of the stoplight intersection
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are houses, which is a little unusual in my part of town.
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But I came to the light, I turned right,
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and I got hit from an oncoming vehicle.
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He was pulling a trailer.
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And kind of before I knew it, I had been hit,
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went up over the curb, glanced off an oak tree
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in someone's front yard, and then my truck rolled over
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and came to a stop completely on its roof
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with the tires facing the sky.
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I don't recommend anyone try to recreate that
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because it's super scary.
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And I should say off the top, like I'm OK.
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I did hit my head and have a mild concussion,
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but I feel way better than I did a week ago
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in like a hairline nose fracture that's healing nicely
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according to the doctor that I saw.
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It's honestly like amazing.
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Seat belts and airbags work.
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So the lesson is wear your seat belt.
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And yeah, I crashed and my Apple watch was going bananas.
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Are there still people who don't wear seat belts?
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I really hope not.
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Some parts of the world, yes, people don't wear seat belts.
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Well, that's stupid.
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I've experienced this, yeah.
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Do you wanna say where?
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You just wanna leave that to the--
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No, I don't.
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Leave that to the listener's imagination.
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Steven, I hope this never happens to me.
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But for the sake of like knowing how to react
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in this situation, like did you realize it was happening?
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Like when your car was flipping over?
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Yeah, what did that feel like?
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I haven't really asked you that either.
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I honestly, I have no idea what it feels like.
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It didn't feel good.
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I definitely, so the rollover wasn't very fast.
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I had just turned, so I wasn't, I didn't have a lot
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of momentum in my speed yet.
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Now the person who hit me was moving.
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By the time I had gone over the curb and hit the tree
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and rolled over, the rollover was pretty slow.
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And it only rolled over one time.
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It's not like I flipped down the road side to side, right?
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So I had time, I had the full thought of,
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oh no, I'm rolling over.
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It's happening.
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I don't know what's worse, you know.
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Like if you know you're going, right?
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Like is that worse than it happening like quick, you know?
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Yeah, I think happening quick is definitely worse
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because then if it's quick, it means it's like
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gonna happen multiple times, most likely.
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I didn't see the accident coming 'cause again,
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I got hit from kind of like the rear quarter panel
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of the truck.
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I did see him, you know, kind of pass me,
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like him going on the road and me running over
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this poor family's garbage cart, which I'd,
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it's in the picture, I'd demolished their garbage cart.
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And then, you know, after that, it was kind of slow motion.
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You know, lots of adrenaline, right?
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Like lots of tensing up and that sort of thing.
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So I, yeah, I had full time to realize, oh no,
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I'm gonna be upside down a second and this is not good.
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And what's the first thing you did?
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Like you tried to get out of the car.
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Yeah, so the first thing I did was try to shut up
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my Apple Watch 'cause like it was,
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the alarm was, you know, blaring like--
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Oh, it was just going.
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Yeah, so explain what is happening with the phone
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and the watch, like what is going on
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with the crash detection?
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Like what happens?
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So the phone wasn't doing anything.
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In fact, I didn't even know where my phone was.
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I found it later and the phone didn't break.
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So like, go iPhone.
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So you can flip a car, but you can't like go to a creek.
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Work down the street.
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Okay, good to know.
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Yeah, the phone was fine.
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But my Apple Watch Ultra was like the countdown
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to call emergency services.
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Now I didn't black out in this,
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but this timeframe is like very hazy in my memory.
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And I remember having to like push some combination buttons
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to tell my watch that I was like okay
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before it called emergency services.
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It may have, I don't know who called 911.
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Maybe my watch did make a call.
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I couldn't actually tell you,
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but I was able to get it to stop blaring the siren at least.
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But I mean the truck,
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I think it was going off before the truck rolled over.
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Like it was pretty quick.
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And the phone didn't do anything.
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So I believe the way this works is if both are present,
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it defers to the watch because the watch is on your body.
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So like it was also vibrating
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like more than I've ever felt it.
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Like really that Taptic Engine
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was just going to town on my wrist.
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'Cause it wants to get your attention, right?
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If you're out of it.
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Which I like I said did not black out
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what definitely was like, what's going on?
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So I kind of take a second.
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I realized I'm upside down and I hear,
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look at, I'm in the front yard of this like family's house.
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And the family all rushes outside
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and this woman is like yelling at me like, are you okay?
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'Cause the airbags had gone off
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and the truck had side curtain airbags.
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So they couldn't see in the truck.
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And I was like, yes, I'm okay.
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But I couldn't get the seatbelt undone.
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And because I'm a dad, I have one of those things
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like one end you can like hit automotive glass
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and it will break it.
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So if you'd like break a window,
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like say that you go into the water
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or something truly scary.
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And the other end is a cutter so you can cut a seatbelt.
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Well, it was in my glove box.
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And when I opened my glove box--
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Where can I buy this thing?
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Let's see, Amazon.
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There's like a thousand of these things on Amazon.
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Let's see, a car.
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So when I opened the glove box,
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stuff just went everywhere, right?
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'Cause the truck was upside down.
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Here's the one I have.
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I'll put it in the Discord.
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Yeah, I got two of them for like 10 bucks.
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And I've got one and there's one in my wife's van.
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But I couldn't find it 'cause I opened the glove box
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and things went everywhere.
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So someone in the house had a knife
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and they cut the seatbelt.
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I crawled out on my own.
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The guy helped me open the car door,
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but I was under my own power and everything was fine.
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And then the police showed up and I went to the hospital
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and got a CT scan and here I am.
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So that was my week last week.
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And y'all and everyone else at Relay was super kind.
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Like I did not work at all last week,
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except for a little bit on Friday
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and just took the week to recover.
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In fact, today is my first full day back.
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And this was last Monday, the day of the accident.
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The truck is totaled.
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They declared it a total loss the day of
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and I have a newer Toyota truck on the way.
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- Yeah, Toyota for life now.
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- Loyal customer from now on.
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- It said the car saved his life.
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- I mean, for real though, yeah.
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- Like a different car maybe under different,
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it was a horrible accident.
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Like people don't flip upside down for it, you know?
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Like that's like a bad thing.
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- Yeah, so like when I went to the emergency room,
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you know, like you're like having to tell
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the check-in person like what happened
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and like, oh my gosh.
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And like they, you know,
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and then like you're telling the doctor what happened
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and like, holy cow, you know?
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You know, no cuts.
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I got some bruises and some scrapes.
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Definitely sore, but yeah,
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if you look at the picture of the truck,
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the cab was remarkably intact.
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In fact, it didn't even break any glass in the truck,
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which blows my mind.
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I mean, the roof is crushed in a little bit,
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but not, I wasn't, I could freely move inside the truck.
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When the truck was upright,
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I went and saw it a couple of days later
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to get some stuff out of it.
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And like, you could sit in the truck
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and still have headroom.
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Like it was remarkably intact, remarkably strong.
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And so, yes, Toyota has my loyalty now forever, I think.
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- And also thankfully, like your kids
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were not in the car with you.
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Like you were alone.
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- Yeah, I was alone.
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The other driver was unharmed and their car was drivable.
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So, 'cause our initial impact wasn't very much.
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I mean, really it was the momentum and the physics
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that pushed me over the curb and then over.
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So thankfully the person was unharmed
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and I'm, like I said, remarkably okay
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for an accident like this.
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It was wild, but I'm here.
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And on the show last week,
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y'all asked people to send me on Mastodon
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information about their first Max.
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- And so I have gotten lovely replies all week about this,
00:31:26
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but I decided this is going to be episode number two
00:31:32
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of the Aries where I'm going to quiz you
00:31:34
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about Macintosh history.
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- Why is it called the Aries again?
00:31:40
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- Picking an heir to the Apple history throne.
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And also I guess to your Dev and Think database.
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- Yes, I think we talked about that too.
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So, you know, this is all the more important
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after my last week, right?
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What if I wasn't here anymore?
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- Oh, Steven, don't do that.
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- No, no, no, no.
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And Mike, I've apologized to you many times.
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I will do it again.
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You were one of my first calls because I was going home
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'cause we had a meeting.
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I was like, I'm not going to be there.
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And apparently I was really out of it when I called you.
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- It was one of the worst phone calls
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I've ever received in my life.
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So Steven called me and told me he was in an accident
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and it did not sound like Steven.
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It sounded like it was somebody else calling me,
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like your voice was different.
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It was very weird.
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And he told me on the call, I'm upside down in my truck,
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but he wasn't.
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- I was out of the truck.
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- He told me that he was upside down in the truck.
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And then also told me because of this,
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he would miss our meeting, which was funny to me.
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- That like, that was like, we're like, I'm like,
00:32:33
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oh, you're still going to make the meeting though, right?
00:32:36
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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- And also like at that point,
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because he called me like that,
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I, so I was asking Steven questions,
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have you called Mary?
00:32:46
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Like I didn't understand, because it was at that moment,
00:32:49
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I could tell something was wrong with your brain, right?
00:32:52
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Like you were just shot in shock or like whatever.
00:32:55
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- A hundred percent in shock.
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- Because you also said to me, I've hit my head very hard.
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And I was like, this is bad.
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It was horrible.
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And so I was like, have you called Mary?
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He's like, yes, I've called Mary.
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I was like, great.
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Go then and I'll speak to you later on.
00:33:10
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And then I was, then I opened fire my friends
00:33:13
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and I was just watching your dot until it missed.
00:33:14
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Yeah, yeah, I was at the hospital.
00:33:17
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Yeah, Mary rushed over from work.
00:33:19
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And my dad was actually my first call
00:33:21
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because where this accident was
00:33:23
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is around the corner from his house.
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And I was thinking, my first thought was
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my dad lives around the corner
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and I need somebody here, right?
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And, but he was like the next county over
00:33:33
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helping your friend with something.
00:33:35
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And so I think he was kind of freaked out too.
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And anyways, he rushed back.
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- Were you, let me ask you the last question
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and be honest, be honest.
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Were you angry at the other person?
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Like did you get in an argument?
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No, everything was okay.
00:33:53
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- No, this is just one of those things that like
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it's wrong place, wrong time.
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And truly an accident, like not upset with him,
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not upset with myself.
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Everyone is fine.
00:34:05
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So yeah, just move forward.
00:34:07
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- That's good, that's good.
00:34:08
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Okay, that's good.
00:34:10
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So the current score for the Aries, Mike has 11,
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Federico has six.
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I verified those scores with relay FM historian, Kate.
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And they said this was the score.
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So I believe them.
00:34:24
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- You're not keeping score to your own quiz?
00:34:25
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- Well, I was, but I didn't, remember there was an error.
00:34:28
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And so I want to make sure that I corrected my note.
00:34:31
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- Oh yes, in your first initial quiz,
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you got the scoring correct.
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- So I will try to do better this time.
00:34:38
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- Yeah, let's see.
00:34:40
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You aren't working at full brain capacity in this episode.
00:34:43
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So, you know, we will let you go.
00:34:45
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- So is it okay, is like our brain jokes okay already
00:34:48
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on this show?
00:34:49
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Just checking.
00:34:50
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- Federico, I had this conversation with Steven.
00:34:52
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I think this was a couple of days ago, I think.
00:34:55
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Like how far into the episode from the point
00:34:59
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where he tells the story, can we make fun of him?
00:35:02
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And I think it's immediate because it's already,
00:35:06
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this has already occurred privately.
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I think there was a moment where on the day of the crash,
00:35:12
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me and Steven were cracking jokes
00:35:13
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and I think Mary got mad at us and was like,
00:35:16
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we can't do that right now, okay.
00:35:18
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'Cause Steven, you know, he just starts making jokes
00:35:20
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about it immediately.
00:35:21
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So I'm just like all in.
00:35:22
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- Cool, cool, cool, cool.
00:35:23
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- And then we had to stop.
00:35:24
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But now I think enough time has passed
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that I think is fair game.
00:35:28
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We just make fun of him as much as we like.
00:35:30
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- All right, cool.
00:35:31
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Well then let's see if hitting your head has any benefits
00:35:34
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to making a better quiz.
00:35:36
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- Maybe you'll never get math wrong again.
00:35:38
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Maybe you beautiful minded yourself.
00:35:40
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- Preparing this quiz was basically the only thing
00:35:42
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I did yesterday and I had a headache afterwards.
00:35:44
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So let's see how this goes.
00:35:46
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So I have five questions based on the listeners
00:35:50
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self-reporting on Mastodon about their first max.
00:35:53
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These numbers I have, I did this yesterday.
00:35:56
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A couple of people replied, I think today,
00:35:58
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you didn't make the cutoff, I'm sorry.
00:35:59
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'Cause I have like a numbers document
00:36:02
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that I was like making charts in for this.
00:36:04
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So there's five questions.
00:36:07
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The correct answer is one point
00:36:09
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and we'll start with the first.
00:36:12
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And since Federico is the loser,
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Federico gets to go first.
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Federico, of these respondents,
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what is the split between desktop and notebook
00:36:23
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percentage wise?
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I'll say closest gets the point.
00:36:27
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- I am gonna go with,
00:36:30
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we asked them to send you their first max.
00:36:38
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- First max, well, I'm gonna go with 30% desktop,
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70% notebook.
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- I'm gonna go 71% notebook.
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- You're 29% desktop, 71% notebook.
00:36:52
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- Well, Federico gets the point.
00:36:57
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- 49% desktop, 51% notebook.
00:37:01
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- You and your over under, Mike.
00:37:03
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- What are a bunch of weirdos?
00:37:06
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What are you buying?
00:37:08
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- First Mac, a desktop, what are you doing?
00:37:11
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- You know what?
00:37:12
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I think we both fell for the same issue, Federico.
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I'm thinking young people, but that's not necessarily
00:37:17
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the case. - Yeah, lots of,
00:37:18
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we're dealing with lots of old people
00:37:19
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with disposable income here, yeah.
00:37:21
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- We can categorize now.
00:37:23
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'Cause like my first Mac was a desktop,
00:37:26
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but like I'm just thinking like people these days
00:37:28
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buy laptops, but I guess that doesn't count, right?
00:37:33
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People buy, okay.
00:37:34
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- Yeah, so that's the point for Federico.
00:37:36
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Number two, Mike, you'll go first.
00:37:40
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What is the most common year
00:37:43
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that listeners got their first Macs?
00:37:46
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- Ooh, this is impossible.
00:37:48
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Just throw a number out there, Mike.
00:38:00
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- So I will start at the bottom, we'll go way up.
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The fifth most popular year was 2009.
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- The fourth most popular year, 2003.
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The third most popular year, 2005.
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The second most popular year, 2006.
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- Okay. - The most popular year, 2008.
00:38:23
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So Mike was just one year off, so Mike gets the point.
00:38:26
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- Wow, we would, right in a pocket, right?
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What was the spread on that, 2006 to 2010?
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- It's, so chronologically, '03, '05, '06, '08, '09.
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- That is so close.
00:38:39
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- That's a very tight band.
00:38:41
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- All right.
00:38:44
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- So Federico, you'll be up for the next one.
00:38:46
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This next one talks about processor platform.
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So list the top three processor platforms
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in order of popularity in these answers.
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- What's a processor platform?
00:38:59
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- I was like, what does that mean?
00:39:00
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- Intel versus Apple Silicon, for example.
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- Yeah, so Intel, number one.
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Number two, PowerPC.
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Number three, Apple Silicon.
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- Okay, Mike.
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- I'm gonna go Intel most popular,
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Apple Silicon number two, PowerPC number three.
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- No one gets the points.
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- Here, number five is the 6502 family of processors
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that was in the Apple II at 3%.
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- No idea what it means.
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- I don't know what it is.
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- Apple Silicon, 3%.
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Remember, we're talking first max.
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- Yeah, I know.
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- Third place at 26%, 68,000 line of max.
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- What is that?
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Isn't that PowerPC?
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- Before PowerPC.
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- Right, but Steven, you need to--
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- Oh, that's a before PowerPC?
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- Right, but you see, a minute ago,
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you just said like the most popular
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between like 2006 to 2010.
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That's why we both went with the ranking that we did, right?
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Like none of these max are available in this timeframe.
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- Federico got it right.
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So PowerPC is in second place at 29%,
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Intel the most popular at 39%.
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- So no one gets the point.
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- But you can see why we went the way we did though, right?
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- Oh, 100%, I was surprised by this.
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- Okay. - Yes.
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- Okay. - All right.
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- That's 'cause that's very strange.
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- Today I learned that there's a before PowerPC,
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I didn't even know that.
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- I thought it was all PowerPC.
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I thought people just referred to like,
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oh, it's PowerPC, but it's 6,800 PowerPC.
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- It's PowerPC, like I thought it was a shorthand for like,
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oh yeah, it's just eggs or like a generic term.
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- There was a transition to PowerPC?
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- See, that's what I mean.
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Like, wait, what, really?
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But nobody's, like that's the transition
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no one talks about, right?
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- All right, Mike, you're up next again,
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the closest person wins in terms of year.
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What is the oldest year reported in my mentions?
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- Federico gets it, it was 1979.
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- What? - Nice.
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- What was that even?
00:41:15
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- An Apple II or whatever. - An Apple II, yeah.
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- Yeah. - Huh, okay.
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- Although, I mean, technically that answer is also wrong
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because we asked their first Mac and that's not a Mac.
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- Yeah, I was careful in my question to you.
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I didn't say the oldest year that a Mac was reported.
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I just said the oldest year reported.
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- It's just fake news. - Yes, Apple II, not a Mac.
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All right, the final question,
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again, closest person gets the point.
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What is the most recent year reported in our listenership
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for their first Mac purchase?
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- This is Federico first.
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- Federico first.
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- No, it's you first.
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- No, Mike went first last time.
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- No, it's me. - I just went first
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the last time.
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- Most recent?
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Last year, 2022.
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- I'll say 2020.
00:42:02
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- Federico gets it again.
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- Okay. - Pretty cool, huh?
00:42:08
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- That person's dead to me, whoever that was.
00:42:10
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- Interesting.
00:42:12
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- Someone's on their first Mac right now.
00:42:14
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- That makes sense, that makes sense.
00:42:16
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- I think the saddest reply I got,
00:42:18
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someone's first Mac was like the first butterfly
00:42:20
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MacBook Pro.
00:42:21
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I was like, oh, I'm so sorry.
00:42:22
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That's so bad.
00:42:23
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- Oh, yeah, man.
00:42:25
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- So at the end of this round, Mike has 12 points
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and Federico has nine.
00:42:31
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Good job, guys.
00:42:32
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- Catching up on me.
00:42:33
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- Yeah, getting closer, catching up.
00:42:35
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I really wanna be a heir to Steven's empire, you know?
00:42:38
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- To be fair, I don't really want it.
00:42:43
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- Well then why are you winning this?
00:42:45
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- I'll split it with you, you know what I mean?
00:42:47
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It seems like too much.
00:42:48
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Like, what am I supposed to,
00:42:49
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I don't have all this storage space.
00:42:51
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- Keep the wrong answers next time.
00:42:53
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- I don't have the available SSD space
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for all of the stuff that you'd be trying to give me.
00:43:00
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- And if you don't want it, then reply incorrectly.
00:43:03
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Like, make it easy for me. - I'm trying.
00:43:05
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You need to do better.
00:43:07
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I can't help but win.
00:43:09
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- I think every time I answered incorrectly, I wanted that.
00:43:13
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- Oh, look at this.
00:43:14
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It's just you can't help it by being right.
00:43:17
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- This is that Federico.
00:43:18
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I'm using Federico logic now.
00:43:22
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- Yes, I appreciate you.
00:43:24
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D. Griffin Jones at Cult of Mac wrote
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end of an article that they posted on Cult of Mac,
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where they broke down Tim Cook's watch face
00:46:00
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based on an image of him with, by the way,
00:46:03
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a passionate one who's listening live right now,
00:46:05
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Vidit Bhagavan. - Yes, so cool, so cool.
00:46:07
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- Who is the developer of Look Up,
00:46:09
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where Tim was in India recently.
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Apple were doing some tours of some stores
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and some stuff that, there we go,
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one of the Tim Cook tours of a place,
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and there is an image which Vidit shared,
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but also Tim Cook shared of like,
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these, of meeting with developers in India.
00:46:26
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Vidit is there, just Vidit and Tim,
00:46:28
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and Vidit got to demo his app.
00:46:30
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I think it was Look Up that he got to demo
00:46:32
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on the watch to Tim Cook,
00:46:34
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who is raptured by this, by the way.
00:46:37
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You obviously were doing a very good job.
00:46:40
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- Such a great follow. - Yeah.
00:46:41
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And Look Up is fantastic, totally deserved.
00:46:45
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- But then what this image provided was a clear look
00:46:49
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at Tim Cook's watch face.
00:46:51
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- See, the problem is not Vidit in this picture.
00:46:54
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The problem is Tim Cook's watch face.
00:46:56
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- No, Vidit is the solution.
00:46:58
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Tim Cook is the problem.
00:46:59
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All right, so,
00:47:02
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Dean Griffin put this together, which is incredible.
00:47:07
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They went and took a look at the face
00:47:10
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and broke it all down,
00:47:12
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and I have all of the deets for you, all right?
00:47:14
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So Tim uses the Infograph watch face
00:47:18
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with the following complications.
00:47:20
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Top left, stocks.
00:47:22
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- Sure, he's the CEO, so.
00:47:25
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- Top right, weather temperature.
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Bottom left, workout app.
00:47:34
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- Bottom right, activity rings.
00:47:38
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Subdial top, schedule.
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Subdial left, blood oxygen.
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Subdial right, ECG.
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Subdial bottom, the home app.
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Here's my question.
00:47:53
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Is this Tim Cook's I might be photographed watch?
00:47:57
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- This is too defaulty to be a personal watch face.
00:48:02
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- I expect when he's going out
00:48:04
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and someone might take a picture of him,
00:48:06
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somebody gives him the Apple watch he will be wearing
00:48:10
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that day. - Put this on, yeah.
00:48:11
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- Yeah, not even like change your watch face.
00:48:13
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This watch cannot ever, ever, ever show a notification.
00:48:18
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- No. - Of any kind.
00:48:21
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- No, there was a story a while back
00:48:22
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that he had a Apple News notification.
00:48:26
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Maybe this is when they changed it.
00:48:28
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- But was it?
00:48:29
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- You know, maybe that came out like,
00:48:30
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ooh, you can't let people know that he uses Apple News.
00:48:33
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- Was it a press thing though,
00:48:35
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or was it just him walking around his life?
00:48:37
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- I don't remember.
00:48:39
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- Like my thought is if someone,
00:48:40
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if there's ever a professional camera pointed at him,
00:48:43
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like he is wearing the approved watch
00:48:47
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that they've given him,
00:48:48
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which would like never have a blemish on it
00:48:50
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and would have the watch band that's currently available
00:48:53
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that they wanted to, you know what I mean?
00:48:55
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- That's my watch set up, the ultra,
00:48:56
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and then the dark trail.
00:48:58
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- Why don't you try?
00:48:59
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And again, this article, by the way,
00:49:01
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that Dee Griffin put together,
00:49:03
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you can also download the watch face for yourself
00:49:08
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based on the watch face set up thing.
00:49:10
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So Steven, why don't you give this a go?
00:49:11
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You get the full Tim Cook experience.
00:49:13
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- So let me open this.
00:49:14
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I gotta open this on my phone, right?
00:49:16
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- I mean, probably, I don't know.
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Nobody knows.
00:49:19
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- Yeah, 'cause I think if you open it on the Mac,
00:49:20
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it doesn't know what to do.
00:49:21
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So let's see, let me find this link.
00:49:24
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- And you can let us know how this feels.
00:49:26
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- I think this could be his watch.
00:49:30
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- Here's the thing.
00:49:32
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He does not want to know the current Apple stock price 24/7.
00:49:41
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- Yeah, I feel pretty sure of that, right?
00:49:43
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- But he's the CEO. - I know he's the CEO.
00:49:46
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Does he wanna know in real time always?
00:49:49
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- Probably, otherwise he gets fired.
00:49:52
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No, isn't that how it works?
00:49:56
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- Not really.
00:49:57
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I mean, look, if Tim Cook is at the stage
00:50:01
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where something so bad has happened to Apple
00:50:04
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that he might get fired based on the stock price,
00:50:06
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he doesn't need the complication on the Apple Watch
00:50:08
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to tell him that thing is happening.
00:50:10
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- Probably, probably.
00:50:11
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- He's already aware that it's going on.
00:50:14
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- It's an okay Apple Watch face.
00:50:18
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It's not great.
00:50:19
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- I guess the official Stephen Hackett seal of approval.
00:50:20
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- It's too busy.
00:50:21
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Too much going on.
00:50:23
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- Be busy, this one.
00:50:26
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I was gonna say it's kinda empty.
00:50:28
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- Well, maybe it's just too, I don't,
00:50:30
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this is too much stuff.
00:50:32
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- I don't like this watch face anyway.
00:50:34
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- What does the calendar event say?
00:50:36
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Like if you zoom in, you can see.
00:50:39
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- I tried running this through Pixelmator's
00:50:40
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like enlarged thing and I couldn't make it out.
00:50:44
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- The part, I can make up probably the part,
00:50:47
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but that's about it.
00:50:49
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I don't know what it says.
00:50:51
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- Does it look like a real calendar event?
00:50:53
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- It kinda does.
00:50:55
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- Also, what time is it in this picture?
00:50:57
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Well, I can, I cannot read it.
00:50:59
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So what is it?
00:51:00
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- It's half past 11.
00:51:02
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- Yeah, half past 11.
00:51:04
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And 'cause this is one of the things
00:51:05
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that Dee Griffin said in the thing,
00:51:06
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like he was kind of roasting Tim Cook's
00:51:08
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apple rings for the day.
00:51:09
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- Yeah, exactly.
00:51:12
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- You got some work to do, man.
00:51:13
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It's half past 11, what are you doing?
00:51:15
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'Cause Tim Cook is like a morning workout person.
00:51:17
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- But he's traveling, you know?
00:51:19
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So we all slip a little bit when we travel.
00:51:22
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- Hey, I wasn't the one who said it, you know?
00:51:25
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- Well, I would have exercised,
00:51:27
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but somebody stole my heart monitor.
00:51:30
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- Yeah, that's true.
00:51:31
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There's nothing you can do about that.
00:51:33
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- It says like 2 p.m. N14305, depart vid p.
00:51:43
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- Glad we got that.
00:51:44
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- I got the high quality version from Tim's tweet.
00:51:46
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- Oh, good thinking.
00:51:48
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- Oh, nice, okay.
00:51:51
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- So I kinda got it, I got it now.
00:51:55
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N14305, you know what?
00:51:57
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I bet it's like some kind of flight thing.
00:51:59
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- Yeah, it's like a-
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- That's Tim's private jet, man.
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- So it's probably a real kind of event.
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- I think it's just his watch.
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I think that's just his thing.
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- Oh, we have real time feedback in the Discord.
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Vid p is Indira Gandhi Airport.
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- There you go, see, that's his private jet.
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- It's real.
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- That's his private jet.
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No, here's the, I think it's a real watch, right?
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But like it is connected to Tim's phone.
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- But it is like a very specific,
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'cause as well, here's a question.
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Do Apple executives use their own phone
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or is it a work phone and are they separate?
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- Oh, I bet they're separate phones.
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- Right, so I bet that watch is connected
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to Tim's work iPhone.
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So like all the data's real,
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but they are set up in such a way that it is like-
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- Right, he's not gonna get a text from a family member,
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you know, in front of the press.
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- Sanitize, exactly.
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- Do you ever get the curiosity to like ask,
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like imagine in a scenario in which you could ask
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these executives like super mundane questions,
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like, "Hey Craig, do you like broccoli?"
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Or like, "Are you good at Tetris?"
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- It is honestly my ideal type of question
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to ask someone in this position,
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but it's not something that anyone
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would ever be happy with me doing.
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- I know, that's the problem.
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Like you're not, you're like, I would super want to know
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like, "Hey, what's your, I don't know,
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your favorite food or something?"
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Like, you know?
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- 'Cause also there is rarely a question
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which they can, like if we had the opportunity
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to have Tim on the show, right?
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- And we said to him like-
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- Do you like broccoli?
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- No, but like if we asked him the actual questions
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that people would want you to ask him,
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the answers by and large will be unsatisfactory.
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- And so like you have to do enough work
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to try and come up with getting a tech focused answer
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which could be interesting, right?
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So like that is hard work.
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It would be more fun to be like,
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"Hey, Tim, what do you have for breakfast?"
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- Like I think that would just be
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a more interesting conversation to have,
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but like no one would be happy with that
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except the three of us.
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- Well, that would be, yeah, yeah.
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- Well, speaking of watches,
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it looks like Apple's Pride watch face and band have leaked.
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There's an article over on 9to5 speaking of them.
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And it's a kind of confetti theme this year.
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- Steven, nobody's speaking of 9to5.
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That was cold, Mac.
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- This is what happens when you hit your head.
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- Look, all these Mac websites look the same.
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- Keep the Mac website separate.
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- They all look the same.
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- Oh my God.
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- There's blue navigation.
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Well, 9to5 have that thing now where they,
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did they have the thing with the comment
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where they're like, "Look at this top comment."
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So they've changed that.
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- Oh, I don't know.
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I use a content blocker, so probably.
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- So they're different now.
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Yeah, this is a confetti kind of sprinkles is the theme
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it looks like.
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- No, I kind of like it.
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- So like this is for the watch face and the watch band.
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I think this might end up being my first Apple Sport Loop
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- Oh, it's another loop?
00:55:06
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- You know it is, right?
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Like that's all they do now.
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- It's gonna be a loop for sure.
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- 'Cause that's what they make.
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- Enough with the loops.
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I mean, come on, enough with the loops.
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- Just saying, it's out there.
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- I really dig the look, but not another loop.
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I've never had one.
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So maybe this would be my first chance to get one.
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But it does look super cool.
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- It does look cool.
00:55:30
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- If people want a t-shirt to go with that, by the way,
00:55:33
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the parallel podcasts here on Relay FM,
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they just put out a sprinkled focused t-shirt,
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accessibility sprinkles, which is the tagline of the show.
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So this will fit with that visually.
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- Yeah, go full sprinkles.
00:55:47
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Well, speaking of Mac websites, nailed it.
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Did y'all see this on MacRumors about Beats Studio Buds Plus
00:55:56
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that look incredible?
00:55:58
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So these are, it's like a frosted transparency.
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Like they're not perfectly see-through, like the...
00:56:06
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- They're kind of like the nothing new one.
00:56:08
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- Yeah, but I love the way these look.
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I don't know if I have any feelings about the Buds Plus.
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I've never tried them, but everything should look like this.
00:56:17
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- Mary tried these?
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- She may have.
00:56:21
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- I don't remember what she's tried over the years.
00:56:22
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She's currently using the Powerbeats Pro
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'cause she likes the ear loop,
00:56:26
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you know, that goes like over the outside of the ear.
00:56:30
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- Hey, Apple, if you think you have courage,
00:56:34
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if you think you really have courage,
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make your next iPhone like this.
00:56:37
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- Yeah, dude, yes.
00:56:39
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- Give me a see-through iPhone that looks like this.
00:56:44
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- I would go as far to say,
00:56:46
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if they only did this on the regular phone and not the Pro,
00:56:50
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I would forego the Pro for a phone that looked like this.
00:56:53
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- Ah, interesting challenge, okay.
00:56:56
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- I love this look.
00:56:57
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- As you are halfway through that sentence,
00:57:00
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I was gonna agree, but then I'd stop.
00:57:02
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- But then think of all the things you're gonna miss.
00:57:05
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- Exactly, that would be very difficult.
00:57:07
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- Let me pay, like,
00:57:08
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I would honestly pay a high premium
00:57:14
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to get a Pro version of the iPhone that looks like this.
00:57:17
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- To be fair, if they did offer it in the regular iPhone,
00:57:21
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it's actually not that much of a thing
00:57:23
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for Steven to say he would buy it,
00:57:24
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because through the course of a model year,
00:57:26
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Steven buys all of them.
00:57:28
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- To be fair, it's kind of easy for you, yeah.
00:57:29
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- Yeah, 'cause you always just buy different sized phones
00:57:33
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and just change them up.
00:57:33
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- But like, we poor people just buy it once.
00:57:38
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And so we gotta really make a good decision.
00:57:40
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- Wait, we poor people who buy every iPhone year
00:57:44
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just buy one of them?
00:57:45
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- We, the poor ones.
00:57:46
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- I guess, yes, we're not hack it, you know?
00:57:48
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- Well, you know, we're not hack it.
00:57:49
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- You know, Kate just said in the Discord,
00:57:52
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Mr. Flip-Flop, which now has a new meaning.
00:57:56
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- Oh no, there's the joke.
00:57:58
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- He also flip-flopped his actual truck.
00:58:02
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- Was it all for the show?
00:58:04
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- No, I assure you it was not.
00:58:06
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- Were you keeping a persona there?
00:58:08
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Were you in character?
00:58:11
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- He wanted to add to that Wikipedia article thing,
00:58:15
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the Wiki, the Wiki fan Wiki thing.
00:58:20
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What's a Wiki fan?
00:58:21
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- Wiki, there's like a fan focused Wiki thing
00:58:24
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where someone's keeping track of all of the devices
00:58:26
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that Steven has broken.
00:58:28
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- Oh yes, yes. - Unbelievably.
00:58:29
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- Someone add a 2015 Toyota Tacoma to that.
00:58:33
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- These ones, the Beast Studio Buds, the regular ones,
00:58:37
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these are Austin Evans's favorite earphones.
00:58:40
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He likes the, like, just enjoy,
00:58:42
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and he says they sound great.
00:58:44
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These are the plus, and so they've enhanced
00:58:48
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the noise cancellation and transparency features,
00:58:51
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'cause they're effectively AirPods Pro,
00:58:52
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they have the features of an AirPods Pro,
00:58:55
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but they're longer battery life.
00:58:57
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- I'm often fascinated by Austin's tech choices,
00:58:59
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because a lot of times I super agree with Austin.
00:59:04
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- Yeah, he gets to try everything, right?
00:59:09
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So like, I would never try the Beats Studio Buds,
00:59:12
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but he's like, these are for him,
00:59:14
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he's like, I like these as much as AirPods,
00:59:16
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but the case he likes more,
00:59:18
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and the physical size he likes more,
00:59:20
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because it just goes right in the ears,
00:59:22
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and it's like the whole stem thing, so.
00:59:24
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- Yeah, I mean, now I'm gonna buy these.
00:59:27
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I know myself.
00:59:28
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- I mean, the fact that I think you and I
00:59:32
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bought the Nothing earbuds
00:59:33
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means that you should probably buy these,
00:59:35
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because you're at least more likely to use these.
00:59:37
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- I'm still using them,
00:59:39
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they are my Nintendo Switch earbuds, yes.
00:59:43
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- Last up before we finish today,
00:59:44
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I recommend people go read Steven's art
00:59:46
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called the Everything Headset.
00:59:48
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I like Steven's take on the headset, it's a good take.
00:59:51
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- Thanks, thank you.
00:59:52
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Yeah, I was happy with that.
00:59:53
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There's been a lot of conversation about,
00:59:55
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is Apple gonna release this without a focus, right?
00:59:58
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What is it, can Apple really say what it's good for?
01:00:02
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And it just kind of made me think about the other times
01:00:04
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Apple has announced a non-Mac product,
01:00:08
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so iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch.
01:00:11
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And over the years, they've become more complex.
01:00:15
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And you know, the Watch and the iPad kind of,
01:00:17
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well, maybe the iPad still hasn't found its way,
01:00:19
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but the Watch found its way.
01:00:20
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And I'm just not worried about that going into W3C.
01:00:24
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I think Apple needs to make something
01:00:27
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that has a little bit of something for everybody,
01:00:28
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'cause everything is a computer,
01:00:30
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and the headset's gotta do a bunch of different stuff,
01:00:33
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and I think it's okay that they don't have
01:00:35
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a killer feature at this point.
01:00:38
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- It's one of the final sentences that really gets me,
01:00:43
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when you say, in a sense,
01:00:44
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every new product needs to be brought now.
01:00:47
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That is so true, especially in the tech field,
01:00:51
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and not just for hardware products,
01:00:53
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but like for services, for operating systems.
01:00:56
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Like everything needs to do
01:00:58
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a little bit of everything right now.
01:01:00
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And yeah, that really captures it, Steven.
01:01:03
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That's the excellent use of the English language, yes.
01:01:10
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- To cover that from the same conclusion,
01:01:13
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like a slightly different angle,
01:01:15
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of like, imagine Apple knows
01:01:17
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what the killer app might be, right?
01:01:19
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And like, imagine to them,
01:01:20
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they're like, the new FaceTime is like it, right?
01:01:23
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Like this very realistic, like co-present kind of idea.
01:01:28
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And like, imagine that they just know it,
01:01:29
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and they're like, we are 100% certain,
01:01:31
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it's so good, so transformative,
01:01:33
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people will just use FaceTime,
01:01:35
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we've made this whole new thing,
01:01:36
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and like, it's what people are gonna buy this for.
01:01:39
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Even if that was the case,
01:01:41
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and it would be proven out
01:01:43
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that when people got it and used it,
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they're like, yep, this is the killer app,
01:01:47
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like they're right.
01:01:48
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If that was what they got up on stage,
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and said, this is all this does, crucified.
01:01:54
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- Even if they made it, and they knew they were right,
01:01:56
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and like, that's the killer app,
01:01:57
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and it's all anyone's gonna use,
01:01:59
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but it can't access your calendar,
01:02:01
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and it can't access your messages,
01:02:04
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like people will be like, what are you doing?
01:02:06
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This thing is a failure, I need, you know.
01:02:09
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So it is that idea that you said,
01:02:11
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like the table stakes of like,
01:02:13
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if you wanna make a device where,
01:02:15
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remember, this is a full operating system,
01:02:17
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because ideally, it's supposed to be
01:02:20
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a replacement for something, right?
01:02:22
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Whether that's the iPhone, the Mac, or whatever, right?
01:02:24
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Like, these devices are being created to be the next X,
01:02:29
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which means it has to replace something.
01:02:31
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You've got to be able to come into it
01:02:33
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with like a full complement of whatever.
01:02:36
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And so if you come into it,
01:02:37
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it should be like it does this one thing,
01:02:38
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but trust us, it's really good.
01:02:40
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Like, that's not gonna be good enough.
01:02:41
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- I mean, don't get me wrong,
01:02:43
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I still think they have an uphill battle here.
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I think this is not as obvious as a category
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as the watch was.
01:02:50
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And I mean, even if it's close to the rumored price,
01:02:54
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that's a big ask.
01:02:56
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So we'll see how it goes,
01:02:57
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but out of all the things to worry about this in advance,
01:03:00
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the it being broad and kind of doing
01:03:02
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a little bit of everything,
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that I think that's totally fine.
01:03:05
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And in fact, I think it's actually probably a good thing.
01:03:08
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- If I may add one last thing,
01:03:09
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just on what you said about the Apple Watch,
01:03:10
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just like a really interesting comparison
01:03:12
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of like thinking back, we cast our mind back.
01:03:14
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The Apple Watch, the idea of a watch
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was like people wanted that.
01:03:20
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- That was a thing that was, I feel like,
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universally enough of like, this is what they should do.
01:03:25
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This is interesting as an idea.
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That is not the sentiment for this product.
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Like the entire category,
01:03:33
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I think people are at least in our community, right?
01:03:37
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But I think in general as well,
01:03:38
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much more skeptical of like this entire product category.
01:03:43
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So the idea of the uphill battle,
01:03:45
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especially even compared to the Apple Watch
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is definitely the case.
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Also a hundred percent even further
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for something like the iPhone.
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So it's gonna be interesting.
01:03:54
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- I think that does it for this week.
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If you wanna find links to the stuff we spoke about,
01:03:58
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including all the apps that Mike mentioned
01:04:00
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and Tim Cook's watch face,
01:04:02
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you can go roast it yourself and try it out.
01:04:04
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Head on over to the website, relay.fm/connected/447.
01:04:09
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Those links are also in your podcast player.
01:04:12
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Along with two other links,
01:04:13
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there'll be a link to submit feedback on our website.
01:04:16
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If you have cool Mac apps
01:04:17
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that Federico and Mike and I should check out,
01:04:19
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you can see those there, or you can submit those there.
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If you have feedback followup,
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you can send that along as well.
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You can also become a member and get connected pro,
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which is a longer ad free version of the show
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that we release each and every week.
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We are just around the corner from our annual special time.
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So a bunch of relay.fm shows do an extra episode
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just for members.
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And what's cool about this is,
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you can be a member of any show
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and you get access to all of these annual specials.
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So ours will be out the first couple of weeks of May,
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and we've got a bunch planned after that.
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So be sure to look out for that.
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If you're a member, it'll be in the crossover feed.
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If you're not a member,
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now's a great time to get on board
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ahead of those annual specials.
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'Cause you also get all the previous annual specials
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in that feed.
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You can find us all online.
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Mike hosts a bunch of other shows here on relay.fm
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and he's the co-founder of Cortex brand,
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maker of amazing products.
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You can find him on Mastodon.
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He is Mike at, I'm gonna get it wrong.
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He is Mike, he is iMike and mike.social.
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- Yes, he's Mike.
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- He's Mike.
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- I'm just Mike.
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You just, he's up to you, you know?
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- He is iMike.
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Set a Google up for me and find me there.
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You know what I mean?
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- I'm mike at mike.social.
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Federico is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net,
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home of Automation April,
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which we didn't talk about this week,
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but it's the end of April almost.
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- It's wrapped up and we're now judging the shortcuts
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that people submitted to the contest.
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Overall, don't tip your hand.
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Some good stuff in there this year?
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- Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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Some really interesting stuff.
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And now the problem is that I'm gonna spend
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way too much time on some individual shortcuts
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because I wanna play around with them,
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but my job is to be fast and quick
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with all the hundreds of submissions that we got.
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So yeah, there's some really good stuff in there.
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- Cool, I'm looking forward to it.
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You can find Federico at mastodon.maxstories.net as Vitici.
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You can find my writing at 512pixels.net
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and I co-host Mac Power Users
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that comes out every Sunday afternoon here on Relay FM.
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And I am ismh@eworld.social.
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I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,
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Electric and Fast Growing Trees.
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Until next time guys, say goodbye.
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- Adios, etchÃ.