447: Mr. Flip Flop
  
   
 
 
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     From Relay FM Disconnected, episode 447. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Today's show is brought to you by Electric and Fast Growing Trees. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm one of your co-hosts, Mr. Federico Iitici. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's my pleasure to introduce to you the returning guest and co-host. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are you a guest or are you a co-host? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Can you be both? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mr. Stephen Hackett. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, Stephen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I missed one week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, we'll see if you can be promoted back to co-host again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     How are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It is good to be back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's good to be joined by Mr. Mike Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, I have two observations so far about the beginning of the episode. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Observation one, when Federico starts the show, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it starts with an intense energy. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     The second is the way you said your name sounded different to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I wondered if you either stumbled or you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have like an Italian way of saying Federico Vittici that you don't usually say in English. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do have an Italian way to say my name, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can I hear it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like as I would pronounce my name? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you're someone in Italy. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Ask me, hey, what's-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Who is Italian? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can you give me your full name? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What is your name? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I got to switch modes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is weird because I don't usually do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico Vittici. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, no, that wasn't it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It sounded like you put way less emphasis on the consonants. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, but anyway, it doesn't matter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We can move on from this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The Pixel tablet has been spotted at a Google event as part of Milan Design Week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico, there you go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you want to-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was there, I was there just hanging out with my buddies, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Aguchi and Fendi. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You got to get over there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I saw it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was actually backstage with all my fashion friends. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So which of the colors that they had was your favorite color? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, the pink one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The pink one is really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not surprised. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's the color of 2023, they tell me. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     I have no idea what I'm talking about. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was good though. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was convincing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, one of the things about me, I think, is like I don't usually use this talent, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I think if I applied myself, I could be a pretty good liar, just in general. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The problem with what you've said there is I don't know if you're telling the truth. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And is it something you want to be good at? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     In fact, I don't use that talent. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think if I were to put myself in a position where I had to use it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think I would be a pretty good one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that we have all faced this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And what I will do now is say something and provide no context for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So people that have been listening for long enough will know what it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     People that don't, won't. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's what you get. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like that time when you told us that there was a concern that you had skin cancer. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And now we move on, because Federico was lying to us. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So this is... 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     No, you don't get anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't tell you I was sick. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You did that thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just told you I needed to get it checked out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it was all part of an elaborate plan to fool you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, no, no, no more details. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's where you end, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You did that, okay? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this is the price you pay now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what I'm saying though. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For the greater good, I can be a pretty good liar. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was for the greater good of 600 people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, exactly. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But that's the end of that, okay? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     To make him have a good time. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     But this is proof that the Pixel tablet does still exist, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as we were wondering about last week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe we're going to see about it in a couple of weeks' time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When is Google I/O again? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's on May 10th, I think? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, so it's before the new Zelda. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So basically I'm organizing my life this year, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as in before Zelda and after Zelda. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this one is before Zelda. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     BZ and AZ, as we call it now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Fine, I'll watch it then. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Didn't they announce this tablet like five years ago? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was at last Google I/O. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And then in the Pixel event, they showed it off again 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and still said it's coming. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And now we're all the way around to a new one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where they're maybe going to announce a folding phone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that tablet still is yet to ship. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wish them the best of luck with this, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because they have really struggled in the tablet area 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe this is the year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My expectation is that this is because of the folding phone stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     coming to kind of like vanilla Android, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Android screens are going to get bigger. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So maybe they're like, well, we can now put... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe there'll be interest in tablet apps again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's my expectation for why they're doing this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think it's going to work out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But like realistically, I don't know how well Pixel works 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for Google in general. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So maybe this will just be another thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that slots into that current place 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they have in their lineup as a company. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The action button has been spotted. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MacRumors is reporting on some CAD drawings 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that certified accessory makers have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been given to start building cases and stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This design shows two separate volume buttons, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just like we have now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that discussion about it being one long button 
     
     
  
 
 
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     may not be panning out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The action button is above it where the ringer silent switch 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And it looks to be about the same size 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as the ringer silent switch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I thought this had gone away. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Why are we back here again? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like last week, we were saying, oh, these rumors are wrong. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're not doing it anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now they're doing it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now it's back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How are we back till there's a button again? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now there's a button again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And I don't know what I was expecting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess in my mind, they were going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to use the kind of all-in-one volume button that rocked back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and forth like they did way back on the iPhone 3G and 3GS, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the action button be separate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Although looking at this design, it has dawned on me, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if they're all three separate buttons, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they can't be the same size because you wouldn't know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where you were just by touch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it's kind of puny looking. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It isn't just one button. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is three separate buttons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Three separate buttons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The opposite. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Are you getting it? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So what is the thinking that there is now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to be an action button, but the action button 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will physically move? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that's the difference? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I guess so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, even better, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or they all move. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Didn't they get rid of the solid state buttons too? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Wait, what are you saying? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this-- I'm just going to read from this report. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Stephen, we spoke about this like two weeks ago 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on this show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's hard to remember. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This isn't good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't like this vibe. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do you really not remember this? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do they get rid of the buttons or not? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This report says two mechanical volume buttons 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and additional mechanical button that replaces 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the ring or silent switch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So all three buttons move. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The conversation was that these buttons were not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to move, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that the idea that the action button was going to exist 
     
     
  
 
 
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     went away because they would have to go back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to physical moving things again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They would put the solid state off for a year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So then the idea was like the switch would come back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That there wouldn't be an action button because-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, now it says there are three buttons. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The action button is here, and they're all three mechanical, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     physical buttons. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     A lot of stuff going on in this phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, personally, as long as there's a customizable action 
     
     
  
 
 
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     button, whether it's a solid state one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or physically moves, that is not why 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I care about this ultimately. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Actually, maybe even better if it's a physical one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would prefer the button to physically move 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and for it to be an action button 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if I'm going to have to have that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'll take that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like all these-- I don't have a strong opinion 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about moving from physical to solid state or vice versa. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like just give me a customizable button, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm going to be happy regardless. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Go CAD makers. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You know, whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, go CAD people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     CAD people, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We were talking about apps, Mac apps last week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico wanted some suggestions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have some suggestions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I wanted to follow up and say I tried out some of the things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you mentioned. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of them-- what was the-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Alt-Tab one, what was that called? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Alt-Tab, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that what it's called, just Alt-Tab? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:08:55
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     Alt-Tab, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That app works so badly with Stage Manager. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Ah, I'm sorry about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can't imagine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:03
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     So you know in Stage Manager, you've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:05
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     got the little preview windows that are off to the side. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:08
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     Oh yeah, the strip. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that's how they show in the Alt-Tab preview thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:09:13
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     So like they're all like little half windows. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:18
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     It's not their fault, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:20
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     Like this is just the way that goes, I guess. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:23
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     But that was that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:24
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     But Lasso, the window management app, me and Lasso 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:28
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     have been getting on very well together. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:30
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     That is an excellent app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:32
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     I'm using it as a like second system. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:36
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     So I'm still using Moom for my like keyboard shortcut enabled 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:40
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     like basic templates that I like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:43
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     like a centered window or two windows side by side, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:45
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     that kind of thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:46
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     What I'm using Lasso for is for like ad hoc window placement. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:52
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     And that system of drawing makes so much sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:56
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     What I wish I could do though, I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:09:58
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     know if there's an app that exists 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:00
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     or if this is even possible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:01
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     I want to be able to draw the exact space 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:05
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     that I wanted to occupy, not take up the blocks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:08
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     Maybe like or like a customizable grid 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:11
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     or like a non-grid system. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:13
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     Yeah, a non-grid system. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:15
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     Like you know how you take a screenshot using Clean Shot? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:10:18
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     I want to do that, but for windows, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:20
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     Like occupy this exact space for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:24
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     Yeah, that's an excellent suggestion. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:25
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     Maybe if the developer is listening to this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:27
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     maybe they could consider it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:29
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     I like that a lot. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:10:31
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     I don't know if that's possible, but I would like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:33
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     So but the passionate ones wrote in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:35
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     We got lots of suggestions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:37
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     I took out the ones that I know you know about. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:41
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     And I know this because I know you and also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:43
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     some of the suggestions that John gave you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:45
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     on the last episode of App Stories 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:47
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     like overlapped with some of these. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:10:49
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     So Cameron wrote in and said, if you like Almighty, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:53
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     you should check out Pastepal. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:55
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     It's by the same developer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:10:57
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     It's a cool clipboard manager. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:11:00
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     I'm using the Raycast clipboard manager, but oh, this looks nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:05
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     I like that it-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:06
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     wait, is this everywhere? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:07
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     iPhone, iPad, Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:10
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     Does it sync? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:11
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     I like the visual-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:13
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     yeah, sync clipboard history. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:15
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     Oh, this is an excellent one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:17
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     There you go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:17
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     I like the visual aspect of it on Mac OS. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:11:23
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     ► 
     Started off well from Cameron there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:24
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     Very well, very well, very well. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:11:27
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     ► 
     Wes recommends Hookmark, which is an app that lets you instantly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:31
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     create markdown links to the current file, web page, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:34
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     and more that you can paste anywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:37
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     ► 
     So I am familiar with this one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:38
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     ► 
     Is this the app that has like a white paper that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:41
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     got to read to understand it? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:11:47
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     ► 
     The guy behind it-- we've had him on Mac Power Users before. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:50
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     ► 
     He's big into like cognitive research. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:53
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     ► 
     And the app is kind of based around some of his work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:56
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     in that field. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:11:58
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     ► 
     Hookmark is cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:11:59
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     ► 
     My favorite feature of it is that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:01
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     can get a URL to an Apple note, like a deep link. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:04
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     ► 
     It's like something you should be able to do, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:06
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     ► 
     but Apple doesn't do on its own. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:08
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     ► 
     But the idea is it's kind of like a launcher 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:10
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     ► 
     for things local on your computer in the file system. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:14
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     ► 
     And you can get links to basically anything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:16
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     on the system anywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:19
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     ► 
     Man, this is actually pretty cool, though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:22
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     ► 
     You can create links. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:23
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     ► 
     And these are like custom URL schemes, basically, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:28
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     ► 
     that reopen just anything you want, even if it doesn't have, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:31
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     ► 
     like you said, like an Apple note or a file. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:34
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     ► 
     But you can get a link to a file and save it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:38
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     in your task manager or something, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:39
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     and it's going to work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:41
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     ► 
     Those links are going to be Mac only, for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:43
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     Yeah, they are. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:12:45
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     ► 
     So I'm going to have tabs open for all of this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:49
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     ► 
     Well, Federico, like all of links, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:53
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     you can be like the listeners when the episode comes out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:56
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     ► 
     You can get them all in the show notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:58
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     In the show notes, you're right. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:01
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     I'm selecting them all, putting them all in, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:02
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     ► 
     so you'll be able to get them. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:04
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     ► 
     Carrying on, we have Luke, who recommends Dropover, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:07
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     ► 
     and says it's a very slick shelf app-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:10
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     you know, you love a shelf app-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:11
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     that appears when you wiggle your mouse while dragging. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:14
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     ► 
     Ooh, look at that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:14
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     ► 
     So you could run custom scripts by dropping a file onto them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:19
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     Even shortcuts? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:13:23
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     ► 
     Instant actions? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:25
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     ► 
     If this lets me assign an individual shortcut, yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:30
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     ► 
     it seems like you can. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:31
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     ► 
     There's a command bar. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:35
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     Because I do this all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:36
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     ► 
     I select images in Finder, and then I drop them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:39
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     ► 
     into the icon for my upload shortcut 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:44
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     ► 
     that I have in the dock. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:46
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     ► 
     But if I could just select and wiggle the cursor a little, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:49
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     and the shortcut appears underneath the cursor 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:53
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     without having to go over to the dock, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:55
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     ► 
     that would be even better. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:57
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     It's a cute UI. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:59
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     I like the UI. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:00
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     ► 
     These are all excellent so far. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:01
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     ► 
     Jose has a selection of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:04
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     ► 
     Queue blocker, which adds a delay when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:07
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     ► 
     you press Command-Q so you don't quit apps by mistake. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:10
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     ► 
     Oh, that's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:14:12
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     ► 
     This is on GitHub, though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:13
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     ► 
     So I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:15
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     ► 
     You don't come at me, all right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:16
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     ► 
     Kind of scary. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:18
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     ► 
     That's on the sketchy side, maybe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:22
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     ► 
     Back when I used Safari, because I've been back 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:24
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     ► 
     in Chrome for a long time, I changed just Safaris-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:28
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     ► 
     I'm getting to that at some point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:29
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     ► 
     --to Command-Option-Q, because quitting Safari 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:32
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     ► 
     is a sadness when you have a bunch of tabs open. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:35
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     ► 
     And Chrome has the built-in delay, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:37
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     ► 
     which people think isn't very Mac-like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:39
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     ► 
     but I'd rather have a delay than close 40 tabs, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:43
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     ► 
     and I'm working on something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:44
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     ► 
     Yeah, that's it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:44
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     ► 
     I know that people don't like that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:46
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     ► 
     but maybe it's not Mac-like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:48
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     ► 
     But it is a good user feature to have if you want it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:52
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     ► 
     A delayed browser is eventually good. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:14:58
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     ► 
     A delayed quit is eventually good and a bad-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:02
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     ► 
     and quit is always bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:06
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     ► 
     I turn that feature off because I don't use Chrome enough, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:09
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     ► 
     so it trips me up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:11
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     ► 
     But if Chrome was my browser, I would leave that feature on, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:15
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     ► 
     because it really annoys me when I do accidentally quit Safari. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:18
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     ► 
     Yeah, it's a bummer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:19
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     ► 
     Mission Control Plus, which adds extra functionality 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:24
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     ► 
     to Mission Control. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:25
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     ► 
     I use it already. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:26
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     ► 
     Yes, I love this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:27
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     ► 
     I love this one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:27
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     ► 
     Let's you close Windows. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:15:30
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     ► 
     For dragging and dropping files between spaces, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:33
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     if that's the thing that you do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:34
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     ► 
     I don't use spaces. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:36
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     ► 
     And this one was really interesting to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:38
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     ► 
     It's called Text Sniper. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:40
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     ► 
     The UI is you're taking a screenshot. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:43
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     ► 
     But what it's doing is copying the text that is in the screenshot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:48
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     ► 
     that you've taken. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:50
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     ► 
     Oh my god, this is like what live text should be. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:53
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     ► 
     Yeah, but-- yeah, I said live text, but much more convenient. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:57
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     ► 
     Because in-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:57
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     ► 
     So whatever text is in the screenshot window 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:00
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     ► 
     that you've drawn, it will then copy it to your clipboard. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:07
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     ► 
     I love this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Isn't that clever? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:09
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     ► 
     I think this one's on setup. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:16:12
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     ► 
     I'll check that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     But I want to check that before I-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:15
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     ► 
     The Discord is upset that their Safari reopens tabs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:20
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     ► 
     when they quit it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And so maybe I don't have a mindset to do that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:24
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     ► 
     or I need to revisit. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I haven't used Safari very much in a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:28
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     ► 
     There are asterisks to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I have found that sometimes if you have multiple windows open, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:33
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     ► 
     it maybe doesn't always open all the windows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:35
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     ► 
     But you can reopen all the windows from the last session, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:38
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     ► 
     which is a thing that you can do. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:16:39
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     ► 
     There are things that you can set up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:41
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     ► 
     But for me, it's not ever really a problem for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:43
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     ► 
     because I use tab groups. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And so they're always there, suits across all my devices. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Anyway, the last recommendation for you I have, Federico, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:50
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     ► 
     is called Latest. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And it comes from Eshoo, who says, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     "It's a super simple app that checks all of your Sparkle 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and App Store apps for updates, puts the release 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     notes in one place, and that you update them all with one click. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     It's pretty lightweight and open source, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     makes updating Mac apps outside the App Store much easier." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Download it immediately. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I love this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I would love if people have other recommendations, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     just keep sending them in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     You can hear what we like, what's interesting to us. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And this is a good resource for everybody. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So go to connectedfeedback.com and you can write those in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     It already found three updates for me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     including, oddly enough, the latest app itself. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Oh, that's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Which I just downloaded, but this is perfect. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:17:39
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     OK, well, thank you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That is an interesting user choice, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:42
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     like a choice of development choices. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:43
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     I actually think it would be-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:44
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     Oh, was it done on purpose? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:46
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     You would always download the previous version 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:48
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     ► 
     from the website, so the first time you run it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:50
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     ► 
     there's always something there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:51
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     ► 
     Oh, that's clever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:52
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     ► 
     I don't know if they've done that, but if this was my app, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:55
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     ► 
     I would do it that way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:56
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     ► 
     That is genius. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:58
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     ► 
     And yes, I'm installing updates already. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:01
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     ► 
     Steven, would you like me to create a toggle 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:03
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     ► 
     in the connected feedback page so it will say, like-- 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:18:09
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     Mac app suggestions. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:18:12
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     ► 
     Thank you all. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:18:14
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     ► 
     Oh, the passionate ones are the best ones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:16
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     Yep, they really are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:17
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     Excellent taste. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:19
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     ► 
     Excellent taste, really. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:20
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     ► 
     I mean, see, you have a good audience. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:24
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     ► 
     I'm enjoying that you all are becoming Mac power users, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:27
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     ► 
     you know, these little utilities. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:18:29
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     Get it done. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:30
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     ► 
     I wanted to mention-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:31
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     ► 
     I meant to say it when you were talking about window management, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:34
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     ► 
     but I missed my opportunity. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:36
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     ► 
     I'm using magnet for this, because using-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:39
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     ► 
     you know, I'm using a MacBook Pro and a studio display, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:42
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     ► 
     and they're both open. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:44
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     ► 
     You know, both use-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:45
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     ► 
     the Mac Pro is not in clamshell mode or anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:47
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     ► 
     I'm using it as a second screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:49
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     ► 
     But then when I go unplug it and use it in the house 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:53
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     ► 
     or at a coffee shop or something, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:54
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     ► 
     everything's madness, because all the window sizing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:58
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     is different. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:18:59
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     ► 
     And I mean, I like magnet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:01
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     ► 
     I like the-- it's kind of on a grid system, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:05
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     ► 
     and it's all keyboard-based. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:06
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     ► 
     But I've downloaded Lasso to try it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:08
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     ► 
     because I think from looking at this website, what it can do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:11
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     ► 
     looks really awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:12
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     ► 
     If we were not Mac power users, but it was a level lower, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:17
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     ► 
     It's like it wasn't like power. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:19
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     ► 
     Like, what would it be? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:19
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     ► 
     You know what I'm saying? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:20
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     You're like a Mac Pro user. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:23
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     ► 
     You and David are like the Mac power users, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:25
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     ► 
     and we're just like the lower than power. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:28
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     ► 
     Lower than power. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:31
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     ► 
     Yeah, we'll be like Mac prosumer users or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:33
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     ► 
     No, we'll be like-- well, we'll be like-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:37
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     ► 
     before power, what's-- so before power, Mac medium user, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:46
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     ► 
     Mac ignition user. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:48
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     ► 
     If you've got power, like power ranges, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:51
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     ► 
     we could be like the Mac Ranger users. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:55
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     ► 
     Kate said Mac current users. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:57
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     ► 
     That's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:57
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     ► 
     That's Mac current. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:58
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     ► 
     We can work on that one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:00
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     ► 
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     ► 
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	 00:21:01
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     ► 
     to make IT easier to manage even for non-technical users. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:05
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     ► 
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	 00:21:06
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     ► 
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	 00:21:08
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     ► 
     but you're not sure where to start, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:10
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     ► 
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	 00:21:11
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     ► 
     through the process of establishing standardized IT 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:15
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     ► 
     processes for your organization. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:18
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     ► 
     Being able to delegate as a business owner 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:20
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     ► 
     is super important. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:21
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     ► 
     Even though you may be really good at this stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:23
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     ► 
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	 00:21:27
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     ► 
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	 00:21:29
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     ► 
     and they can really help you move things to the next level. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     Our thanks to Electric for their support of the show and Relay 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:21:56
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     ► 
     I did some real world reporting last week, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:00
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     ► 
     and I can tell you that the crash detection on the Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:04
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     ► 
     Watch and iPhone really works. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:07
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     ► 
     I'm so sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:08
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     ► 
     Can you tell us the whole story? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So there's a picture in the show notes of this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:15
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     ► 
     The picture is not upsetting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:17
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     ► 
     Well, I will say it might be upsetting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:20
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     ► 
     if you have been in the situation Steven was in. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:23
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     ► 
     But there's no like-- 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:25
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     ► 
     You know, there's not like a person hanging out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:27
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     ► 
     of the car or anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:22:29
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     ► 
     It's just a very smashed up Toyota Tacoma. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:32
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     ► 
     Yeah, so last week I was driving home from-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:36
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     ► 
     I'd taken one of my kids to school, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:37
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     ► 
     and then I helped my mom run an errand, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:40
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     ► 
     and then I was coming home from that from a direction 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:42
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     ► 
     that I don't normally like enter my neighborhood. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:46
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     ► 
     And on the other end of my neighborhood, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:48
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     ► 
     there's a stoplight, but it's a completely residential area. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:51
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     ► 
     So like all four sides of the stoplight intersection 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:54
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     ► 
     are houses, which is a little unusual in my part of town. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:57
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     ► 
     But I came to the light, I turned right, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:01
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     ► 
     and I got hit from an oncoming vehicle. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:06
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     ► 
     He was pulling a trailer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:08
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     ► 
     And kind of before I knew it, I had been hit, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:12
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     ► 
     went up over the curb, glanced off an oak tree 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:16
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     ► 
     in someone's front yard, and then my truck rolled over 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:19
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     ► 
     and came to a stop completely on its roof 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:22
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     ► 
     with the tires facing the sky. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:24
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     ► 
     I don't recommend anyone try to recreate that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:27
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     ► 
     because it's super scary. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:29
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     ► 
     And I should say off the top, like I'm OK. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:31
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     ► 
     I did hit my head and have a mild concussion, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:34
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     ► 
     but I feel way better than I did a week ago 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:36
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     ► 
     in like a hairline nose fracture that's healing nicely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:39
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     ► 
     according to the doctor that I saw. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:42
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     ► 
     It's honestly like amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:44
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     ► 
     Seat belts and airbags work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:46
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     ► 
     So the lesson is wear your seat belt. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:47
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     ► 
     And yeah, I crashed and my Apple watch was going bananas. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:52
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     ► 
     Are there still people who don't wear seat belts? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:56
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     ► 
     I really hope not. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:59
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     ► 
     Some parts of the world, yes, people don't wear seat belts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:01
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     ► 
     Well, that's stupid. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:02
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     ► 
     I've experienced this, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:04
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     ► 
     Do you wanna say where? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:05
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     ► 
     You just wanna leave that to the-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:06
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     ► 
     No, I don't. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:07
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     ► 
     Leave that to the listener's imagination. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:09
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     ► 
     Steven, I hope this never happens to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:24:13
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     ► 
     But for the sake of like knowing how to react 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:18
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     ► 
     in this situation, like did you realize it was happening? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:24
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     ► 
     Like when your car was flipping over? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:24:28
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     ► 
     Yeah, what did that feel like? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:29
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     ► 
     I haven't really asked you that either. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:31
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     ► 
     I honestly, I have no idea what it feels like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:34
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     ► 
     It didn't feel good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:36
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     ► 
     I definitely, so the rollover wasn't very fast. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:39
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     ► 
     I had just turned, so I wasn't, I didn't have a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:43
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     ► 
     of momentum in my speed yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:45
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     ► 
     Now the person who hit me was moving. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:48
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     ► 
     By the time I had gone over the curb and hit the tree 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:50
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     ► 
     and rolled over, the rollover was pretty slow. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:52
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     ► 
     And it only rolled over one time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:53
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     ► 
     It's not like I flipped down the road side to side, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:24:57
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     ► 
     So I had time, I had the full thought of, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:00
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     ► 
     oh no, I'm rolling over. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:02
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     ► 
     It's happening. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:03
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     ► 
     I don't know what's worse, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:05
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     ► 
     Like if you know you're going, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:07
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     ► 
     Like is that worse than it happening like quick, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:11
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     ► 
     Yeah, I think happening quick is definitely worse 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:14
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     ► 
     because then if it's quick, it means it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:16
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     ► 
     gonna happen multiple times, most likely. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:19
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     ► 
     I didn't see the accident coming 'cause again, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:21
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     ► 
     I got hit from kind of like the rear quarter panel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:23
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     ► 
     of the truck. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I did see him, you know, kind of pass me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:28
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     ► 
     like him going on the road and me running over 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:30
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     ► 
     this poor family's garbage cart, which I'd, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:33
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     ► 
     it's in the picture, I'd demolished their garbage cart. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:35
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     ► 
     And then, you know, after that, it was kind of slow motion. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:40
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     ► 
     You know, lots of adrenaline, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:41
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     ► 
     Like lots of tensing up and that sort of thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:46
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     ► 
     So I, yeah, I had full time to realize, oh no, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:50
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     ► 
     I'm gonna be upside down a second and this is not good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:52
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     ► 
     And what's the first thing you did? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like you tried to get out of the car. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yeah, so the first thing I did was try to shut up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     my Apple Watch 'cause like it was, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the alarm was, you know, blaring like-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Oh, it was just going. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yeah, so explain what is happening with the phone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and the watch, like what is going on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     with the crash detection? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like what happens? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So the phone wasn't doing anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     In fact, I didn't even know where my phone was. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I found it later and the phone didn't break. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So like, go iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So you can flip a car, but you can't like go to a creek. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Work down the street. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Okay, good to know. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:26:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yeah, the phone was fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:31
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     But my Apple Watch Ultra was like the countdown 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:36
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     to call emergency services. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:37
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     ► 
     Now I didn't black out in this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:39
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     ► 
     but this timeframe is like very hazy in my memory. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:42
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     And I remember having to like push some combination buttons 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:45
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     ► 
     to tell my watch that I was like okay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:47
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     ► 
     before it called emergency services. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:51
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     ► 
     It may have, I don't know who called 911. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:53
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     ► 
     Maybe my watch did make a call. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:55
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     ► 
     I couldn't actually tell you, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:56
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     ► 
     but I was able to get it to stop blaring the siren at least. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:00
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     But I mean the truck, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:02
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     I think it was going off before the truck rolled over. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:05
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     ► 
     Like it was pretty quick. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:08
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     ► 
     And the phone didn't do anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:11
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     ► 
     So I believe the way this works is if both are present, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:14
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     ► 
     it defers to the watch because the watch is on your body. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:17
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     ► 
     So like it was also vibrating 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:19
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     ► 
     like more than I've ever felt it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:20
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     ► 
     Like really that Taptic Engine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:22
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     ► 
     was just going to town on my wrist. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:25
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     ► 
     'Cause it wants to get your attention, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:27
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     ► 
     If you're out of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:28
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     ► 
     Which I like I said did not black out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:30
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     ► 
     what definitely was like, what's going on? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:32
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     ► 
     So I kind of take a second. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:35
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     ► 
     I realized I'm upside down and I hear, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:39
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     ► 
     look at, I'm in the front yard of this like family's house. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:43
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     ► 
     And the family all rushes outside 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:46
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     ► 
     and this woman is like yelling at me like, are you okay? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:48
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     ► 
     'Cause the airbags had gone off 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:50
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     ► 
     and the truck had side curtain airbags. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:52
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     ► 
     So they couldn't see in the truck. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:54
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     ► 
     And I was like, yes, I'm okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:57
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     ► 
     But I couldn't get the seatbelt undone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:59
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     ► 
     And because I'm a dad, I have one of those things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:03
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     ► 
     like one end you can like hit automotive glass 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:07
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     ► 
     and it will break it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:08
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     ► 
     So if you'd like break a window, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:09
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     ► 
     like say that you go into the water 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:11
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     ► 
     or something truly scary. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:12
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     ► 
     And the other end is a cutter so you can cut a seatbelt. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Well, it was in my glove box. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:19
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     ► 
     And when I opened my glove box-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:20
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     ► 
     Where can I buy this thing? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Let's see, Amazon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     There's like a thousand of these things on Amazon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Let's see, a car. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So when I opened the glove box, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:30
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     ► 
     stuff just went everywhere, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:33
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     ► 
     'Cause the truck was upside down. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:35
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     ► 
     Here's the one I have. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'll put it in the Discord. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:28:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yeah, I got two of them for like 10 bucks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And I've got one and there's one in my wife's van. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     But I couldn't find it 'cause I opened the glove box 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and things went everywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So someone in the house had a knife 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and they cut the seatbelt. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I crawled out on my own. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     The guy helped me open the car door, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but I was under my own power and everything was fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And then the police showed up and I went to the hospital 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and got a CT scan and here I am. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So that was my week last week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And y'all and everyone else at Relay was super kind. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like I did not work at all last week, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     except for a little bit on Friday 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and just took the week to recover. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     In fact, today is my first full day back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And this was last Monday, the day of the accident. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     The truck is totaled. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     They declared it a total loss the day of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and I have a newer Toyota truck on the way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, Toyota for life now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:29:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Loyal customer from now on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - It said the car saved his life. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I mean, for real though, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Like a different car maybe under different, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it was a horrible accident. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like people don't flip upside down for it, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like that's like a bad thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, so like when I went to the emergency room, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you know, like you're like having to tell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the check-in person like what happened 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and like, oh my gosh. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And like they, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and then like you're telling the doctor what happened 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and like, holy cow, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     You know, no cuts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I got some bruises and some scrapes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Definitely sore, but yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     if you look at the picture of the truck, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the cab was remarkably intact. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     In fact, it didn't even break any glass in the truck, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     which blows my mind. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I mean, the roof is crushed in a little bit, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but not, I wasn't, I could freely move inside the truck. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     When the truck was upright, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I went and saw it a couple of days later 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to get some stuff out of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And like, you could sit in the truck 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and still have headroom. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like it was remarkably intact, remarkably strong. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And so, yes, Toyota has my loyalty now forever, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - And also thankfully, like your kids 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     were not in the car with you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like you were alone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, I was alone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     The other driver was unharmed and their car was drivable. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So, 'cause our initial impact wasn't very much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I mean, really it was the momentum and the physics 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that pushed me over the curb and then over. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So thankfully the person was unharmed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and I'm, like I said, remarkably okay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for an accident like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     It was wild, but I'm here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And on the show last week, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     y'all asked people to send me on Mastodon 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     information about their first Max. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - And so I have gotten lovely replies all week about this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but I decided this is going to be episode number two 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of the Aries where I'm going to quiz you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about Macintosh history. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Why is it called the Aries again? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Picking an heir to the Apple history throne. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And also I guess to your Dev and Think database. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yes, I think we talked about that too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So, you know, this is all the more important 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     after my last week, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     What if I wasn't here anymore? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Oh, Steven, don't do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - No, no, no, no. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And Mike, I've apologized to you many times. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I will do it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     You were one of my first calls because I was going home 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     'cause we had a meeting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I was like, I'm not going to be there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And apparently I was really out of it when I called you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - It was one of the worst phone calls 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I've ever received in my life. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So Steven called me and told me he was in an accident 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and it did not sound like Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     It sounded like it was somebody else calling me, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like your voice was different. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     It was very weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And he told me on the call, I'm upside down in my truck, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but he wasn't. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I was out of the truck. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - He told me that he was upside down in the truck. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And then also told me because of this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     he would miss our meeting, which was funny to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:32:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - That like, that was like, we're like, I'm like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh, you're still going to make the meeting though, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - And also like at that point, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because he called me like that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I, so I was asking Steven questions, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     have you called Mary? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like I didn't understand, because it was at that moment, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I could tell something was wrong with your brain, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like you were just shot in shock or like whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - A hundred percent in shock. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Because you also said to me, I've hit my head very hard. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And I was like, this is bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     It was horrible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And so I was like, have you called Mary? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     He's like, yes, I've called Mary. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I was like, great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Go then and I'll speak to you later on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And then I was, then I opened fire my friends 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and I was just watching your dot until it missed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yeah, yeah, I was at the hospital. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yeah, Mary rushed over from work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And my dad was actually my first call 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because where this accident was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is around the corner from his house. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And I was thinking, my first thought was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     my dad lives around the corner 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and I need somebody here, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And, but he was like the next county over 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     helping your friend with something. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And so I think he was kind of freaked out too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And anyways, he rushed back. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Were you, let me ask you the last question 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and be honest, be honest. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Were you angry at the other person? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like did you get in an argument? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     No, everything was okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - No, this is just one of those things that like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's wrong place, wrong time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And truly an accident, like not upset with him, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not upset with myself. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Everyone is fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So yeah, just move forward. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - That's good, that's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Okay, that's good. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:34:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So the current score for the Aries, Mike has 11, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Federico has six. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I verified those scores with relay FM historian, Kate. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And they said this was the score. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So I believe them. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:34:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - You're not keeping score to your own quiz? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Well, I was, but I didn't, remember there was an error. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And so I want to make sure that I corrected my note. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Oh yes, in your first initial quiz, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you got the scoring correct. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:36
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     ► 
     - So I will try to do better this time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:38
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     - Yeah, let's see. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:40
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     You aren't working at full brain capacity in this episode. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:43
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     ► 
     So, you know, we will let you go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:45
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     ► 
     - So is it okay, is like our brain jokes okay already 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:48
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     ► 
     on this show? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:49
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     ► 
     Just checking. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:50
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     ► 
     - Federico, I had this conversation with Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:52
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     I think this was a couple of days ago, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:55
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     Like how far into the episode from the point 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:59
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     ► 
     where he tells the story, can we make fun of him? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:02
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     And I think it's immediate because it's already, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:06
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     ► 
     this has already occurred privately. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:08
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     I think there was a moment where on the day of the crash, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:12
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     ► 
     me and Steven were cracking jokes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:13
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     ► 
     and I think Mary got mad at us and was like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:16
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     ► 
     we can't do that right now, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:18
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     'Cause Steven, you know, he just starts making jokes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:20
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     about it immediately. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:21
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     So I'm just like all in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:22
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     - Cool, cool, cool, cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:23
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     ► 
     - And then we had to stop. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:24
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     But now I think enough time has passed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:26
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     that I think is fair game. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:28
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     ► 
     We just make fun of him as much as we like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:30
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     ► 
     - All right, cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:31
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     ► 
     Well then let's see if hitting your head has any benefits 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:34
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     ► 
     to making a better quiz. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:36
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     ► 
     - Maybe you'll never get math wrong again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:38
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     ► 
     Maybe you beautiful minded yourself. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:40
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     ► 
     - Preparing this quiz was basically the only thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:42
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     ► 
     I did yesterday and I had a headache afterwards. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:44
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     ► 
     So let's see how this goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:46
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     ► 
     So I have five questions based on the listeners 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:50
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     ► 
     self-reporting on Mastodon about their first max. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:53
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     ► 
     These numbers I have, I did this yesterday. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:56
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     ► 
     A couple of people replied, I think today, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:58
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     ► 
     you didn't make the cutoff, I'm sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:59
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     ► 
     'Cause I have like a numbers document 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:02
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     ► 
     that I was like making charts in for this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:04
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     ► 
     So there's five questions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:07
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     ► 
     The correct answer is one point 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:09
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     ► 
     and we'll start with the first. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:12
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     ► 
     And since Federico is the loser, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:14
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     Federico gets to go first. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:16
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     ► 
     Federico, of these respondents, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:19
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     ► 
     what is the split between desktop and notebook 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:23
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     ► 
     percentage wise? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:25
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     ► 
     I'll say closest gets the point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:27
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     ► 
     - I am gonna go with, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:30
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     ► 
     we asked them to send you their first max. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:36:38
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     ► 
     - First max, well, I'm gonna go with 30% desktop, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:42
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     ► 
     70% notebook. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:45
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     ► 
     - I'm gonna go 71% notebook. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:36:48
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     ► 
     - You're 29% desktop, 71% notebook. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:36:52
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     ► 
     - Well, Federico gets the point. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:36:57
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     ► 
     - 49% desktop, 51% notebook. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:01
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     ► 
     - You and your over under, Mike. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:03
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     ► 
     - What are a bunch of weirdos? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:06
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     ► 
     What are you buying? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:08
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     ► 
     - First Mac, a desktop, what are you doing? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:11
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     ► 
     - You know what? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:12
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     ► 
     I think we both fell for the same issue, Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:15
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     ► 
     I'm thinking young people, but that's not necessarily 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:17
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     ► 
     the case. - Yeah, lots of, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:18
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     ► 
     we're dealing with lots of old people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:19
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     ► 
     with disposable income here, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:21
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     ► 
     - We can categorize now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:23
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     ► 
     'Cause like my first Mac was a desktop, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:26
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     ► 
     but like I'm just thinking like people these days 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:28
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     ► 
     buy laptops, but I guess that doesn't count, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:33
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     ► 
     People buy, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:34
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     ► 
     - Yeah, so that's the point for Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:36
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     ► 
     Number two, Mike, you'll go first. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:40
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     ► 
     What is the most common year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that listeners got their first Macs? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:46
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     ► 
     - Ooh, this is impossible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:48
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     ► 
     Just throw a number out there, Mike. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:38:00
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     ► 
     - So I will start at the bottom, we'll go way up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:04
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     ► 
     The fifth most popular year was 2009. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:38:08
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     ► 
     - The fourth most popular year, 2003. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:12
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     ► 
     The third most popular year, 2005. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:15
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     ► 
     The second most popular year, 2006. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:38:19
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     ► 
     - Okay. - The most popular year, 2008. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:23
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     ► 
     So Mike was just one year off, so Mike gets the point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:26
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     ► 
     - Wow, we would, right in a pocket, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:28
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     ► 
     What was the spread on that, 2006 to 2010? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:32
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     ► 
     - It's, so chronologically, '03, '05, '06, '08, '09. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - That is so close. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:39
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     ► 
     - That's a very tight band. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:41
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     ► 
     - All right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - So Federico, you'll be up for the next one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     This next one talks about processor platform. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:49
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     ► 
     So list the top three processor platforms 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:53
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     ► 
     in order of popularity in these answers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - What's a processor platform? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:38:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I was like, what does that mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:00
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     ► 
     - Intel versus Apple Silicon, for example. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:03
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     ► 
     - Yeah, so Intel, number one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:06
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     ► 
     Number two, PowerPC. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:09
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     ► 
     Number three, Apple Silicon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Okay, Mike. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I'm gonna go Intel most popular, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Apple Silicon number two, PowerPC number three. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:16
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     ► 
     - No one gets the points. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:39:20
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     ► 
     - Here, number five is the 6502 family of processors 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:25
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     ► 
     that was in the Apple II at 3%. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:28
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     ► 
     - No idea what it means. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I don't know what it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:30
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     ► 
     - Apple Silicon, 3%. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:33
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     ► 
     Remember, we're talking first max. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:35
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     ► 
     - Yeah, I know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:36
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     ► 
     - Third place at 26%, 68,000 line of max. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - What is that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Isn't that PowerPC? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:45
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     ► 
     - Before PowerPC. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:47
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     ► 
     - Right, but Steven, you need to-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Oh, that's a before PowerPC? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Right, but you see, a minute ago, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:52
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     ► 
     you just said like the most popular 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     between like 2006 to 2010. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     That's why we both went with the ranking that we did, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like none of these max are available in this timeframe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Federico got it right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So PowerPC is in second place at 29%, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:08
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     ► 
     Intel the most popular at 39%. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:40:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - So no one gets the point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - But you can see why we went the way we did though, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Oh, 100%, I was surprised by this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:18
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     ► 
     - Okay. - Yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Okay. - All right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - That's 'cause that's very strange. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Today I learned that there's a before PowerPC, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I didn't even know that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I thought it was all PowerPC. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I thought people just referred to like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh, it's PowerPC, but it's 6,800 PowerPC. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - It's PowerPC, like I thought it was a shorthand for like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh yeah, it's just eggs or like a generic term. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - There was a transition to PowerPC? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - See, that's what I mean. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like, wait, what, really? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     But nobody's, like that's the transition 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     no one talks about, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - All right, Mike, you're up next again, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the closest person wins in terms of year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     What is the oldest year reported in my mentions? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:41:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Federico gets it, it was 1979. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - What? - Nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - What was that even? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - An Apple II or whatever. - An Apple II, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah. - Huh, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Although, I mean, technically that answer is also wrong 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because we asked their first Mac and that's not a Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, I was careful in my question to you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I didn't say the oldest year that a Mac was reported. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I just said the oldest year reported. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - It's just fake news. - Yes, Apple II, not a Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     All right, the final question, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     again, closest person gets the point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     What is the most recent year reported in our listenership 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for their first Mac purchase? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - This is Federico first. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Federico first. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - No, it's you first. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - No, Mike went first last time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - No, it's me. - I just went first 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the last time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Most recent? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Last year, 2022. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I'll say 2020. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Federico gets it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:42:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Okay. - Pretty cool, huh? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - That person's dead to me, whoever that was. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Someone's on their first Mac right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:42:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - That makes sense, that makes sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I think the saddest reply I got, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     someone's first Mac was like the first butterfly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     MacBook Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     That's so bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Oh, yeah, man. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - So at the end of this round, Mike has 12 points 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and Federico has nine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Good job, guys. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Catching up on me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, getting closer, catching up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I really wanna be a heir to Steven's empire, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - To be fair, I don't really want it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Well then why are you winning this? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I'll split it with you, you know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     It seems like too much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like, what am I supposed to, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I don't have all this storage space. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Keep the wrong answers next time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I don't have the available SSD space 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for all of the stuff that you'd be trying to give me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - And if you don't want it, then reply incorrectly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like, make it easy for me. - I'm trying. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     You need to do better. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:43:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I can't help but win. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I think every time I answered incorrectly, I wanted that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Oh, look at this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     It's just you can't help it by being right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - This is that Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'm using Federico logic now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:43:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yes, I appreciate you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:24
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     - You know, if you're looking to buy something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for a lawn for someone, Steven, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I had something fun for you, both. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     D. Griffin Jones at Cult of Mac wrote 
     
     
  
 
 
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     end of an article that they posted on Cult of Mac, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:57
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     where they broke down Tim Cook's watch face 
     
     
  
 
 
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     based on an image of him with, by the way, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a passionate one who's listening live right now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Vidit Bhagavan. - Yes, so cool, so cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Who is the developer of Look Up, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where Tim was in India recently. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple were doing some tours of some stores 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and some stuff that, there we go, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one of the Tim Cook tours of a place, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and there is an image which Vidit shared, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but also Tim Cook shared of like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     these, of meeting with developers in India. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Vidit is there, just Vidit and Tim, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Vidit got to demo his app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it was Look Up that he got to demo 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on the watch to Tim Cook, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who is raptured by this, by the way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You obviously were doing a very good job. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Such a great follow. - Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And Look Up is fantastic, totally deserved. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - But then what this image provided was a clear look 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at Tim Cook's watch face. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - See, the problem is not Vidit in this picture. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The problem is Tim Cook's watch face. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, Vidit is the solution. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Tim Cook is the problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     All right, so, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Dean Griffin put this together, which is incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They went and took a look at the face 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and broke it all down, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I have all of the deets for you, all right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Tim uses the Infograph watch face 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the following complications. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Top left, stocks. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Sure, he's the CEO, so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Top right, weather temperature. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Bottom left, workout app. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Bottom right, activity rings. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Subdial top, schedule. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Subdial left, blood oxygen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Subdial right, ECG. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Subdial bottom, the home app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Here's my question. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is this Tim Cook's I might be photographed watch? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - This is too defaulty to be a personal watch face. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I expect when he's going out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and someone might take a picture of him, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     somebody gives him the Apple watch he will be wearing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that day. - Put this on, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, not even like change your watch face. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This watch cannot ever, ever, ever show a notification. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No. - Of any kind. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, there was a story a while back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that he had a Apple News notification. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Maybe this is when they changed it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - But was it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - You know, maybe that came out like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ooh, you can't let people know that he uses Apple News. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Was it a press thing though, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or was it just him walking around his life? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I don't remember. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Like my thought is if someone, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if there's ever a professional camera pointed at him, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like he is wearing the approved watch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:47
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     that they've given him, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which would like never have a blemish on it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:50
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     and would have the watch band that's currently available 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they wanted to, you know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:55
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     - That's my watch set up, the ultra, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:56
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     and then the dark trail. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:58
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     ► 
     - Why don't you try? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:59
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     And again, this article, by the way, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:01
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     that Dee Griffin put together, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:03
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     you can also download the watch face for yourself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:08
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     based on the watch face set up thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:10
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     So Steven, why don't you give this a go? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:11
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     You get the full Tim Cook experience. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:13
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     ► 
     - So let me open this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:14
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     I gotta open this on my phone, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:16
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     - I mean, probably, I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:18
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     Nobody knows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:19
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     - Yeah, 'cause I think if you open it on the Mac, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:20
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     it doesn't know what to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:21
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     ► 
     So let's see, let me find this link. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:24
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     ► 
     - And you can let us know how this feels. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:26
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     ► 
     - I think this could be his watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:30
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     ► 
     - Here's the thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:32
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     ► 
     He does not want to know the current Apple stock price 24/7. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:49:41
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     ► 
     - Yeah, I feel pretty sure of that, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:43
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     ► 
     - But he's the CEO. - I know he's the CEO. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:46
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     Does he wanna know in real time always? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:49
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     - Probably, otherwise he gets fired. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:52
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     No, isn't that how it works? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:56
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     - Not really. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:57
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     ► 
     I mean, look, if Tim Cook is at the stage 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:01
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     where something so bad has happened to Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:04
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     ► 
     that he might get fired based on the stock price, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:06
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     ► 
     he doesn't need the complication on the Apple Watch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:08
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     ► 
     to tell him that thing is happening. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:10
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     ► 
     - Probably, probably. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:11
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     ► 
     - He's already aware that it's going on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:14
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     ► 
     - It's an okay Apple Watch face. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:18
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     ► 
     It's not great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:19
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     ► 
     - I guess the official Stephen Hackett seal of approval. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:20
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     ► 
     - It's too busy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:21
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     ► 
     Too much going on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:23
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     ► 
     - Be busy, this one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:26
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     ► 
     I was gonna say it's kinda empty. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:28
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     ► 
     - Well, maybe it's just too, I don't, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:30
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     ► 
     this is too much stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:32
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     ► 
     - I don't like this watch face anyway. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:34
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     ► 
     - What does the calendar event say? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:36
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     ► 
     Like if you zoom in, you can see. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:39
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     ► 
     - I tried running this through Pixelmator's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:40
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     ► 
     like enlarged thing and I couldn't make it out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:44
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     ► 
     - The part, I can make up probably the part, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:47
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     ► 
     but that's about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:49
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     ► 
     I don't know what it says. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:50:51
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     ► 
     - Does it look like a real calendar event? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:53
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     ► 
     - It kinda does. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:55
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     ► 
     - Also, what time is it in this picture? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:57
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     ► 
     Well, I can, I cannot read it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:59
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     ► 
     So what is it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:00
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     ► 
     - It's half past 11. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:51:02
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     ► 
     - Yeah, half past 11. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:04
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     ► 
     And 'cause this is one of the things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:05
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     ► 
     that Dee Griffin said in the thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:06
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     ► 
     like he was kind of roasting Tim Cook's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:08
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     ► 
     apple rings for the day. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:09
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     ► 
     - Yeah, exactly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:12
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     ► 
     - You got some work to do, man. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:13
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     ► 
     It's half past 11, what are you doing? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:15
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     ► 
     'Cause Tim Cook is like a morning workout person. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:17
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     ► 
     - But he's traveling, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:19
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     ► 
     So we all slip a little bit when we travel. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:22
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     ► 
     - Hey, I wasn't the one who said it, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:25
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     ► 
     - Well, I would have exercised, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:27
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     ► 
     but somebody stole my heart monitor. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:51:30
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     ► 
     - Yeah, that's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:31
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     ► 
     There's nothing you can do about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:51:33
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     - It says like 2 p.m. N14305, depart vid p. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:51:43
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     ► 
     - Glad we got that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:44
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     ► 
     - I got the high quality version from Tim's tweet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:46
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     ► 
     - Oh, good thinking. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:48
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     ► 
     - Oh, nice, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:51:51
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     ► 
     - So I kinda got it, I got it now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:55
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     ► 
     N14305, you know what? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:57
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     ► 
     I bet it's like some kind of flight thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:59
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     ► 
     - Yeah, it's like a- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:00
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     ► 
     - That's Tim's private jet, man. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:03
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     ► 
     - So it's probably a real kind of event. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:05
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     - I think it's just his watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:06
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     ► 
     I think that's just his thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:08
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     ► 
     - Oh, we have real time feedback in the Discord. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:11
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     ► 
     Vid p is Indira Gandhi Airport. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:13
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     ► 
     - There you go, see, that's his private jet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:15
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     ► 
     - It's real. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:52:17
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     ► 
     - That's his private jet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:18
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     ► 
     No, here's the, I think it's a real watch, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:21
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     ► 
     But like it is connected to Tim's phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:52:25
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     ► 
     - But it is like a very specific, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:28
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     ► 
     'cause as well, here's a question. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:31
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     ► 
     Do Apple executives use their own phone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:34
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     ► 
     or is it a work phone and are they separate? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:37
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     ► 
     - Oh, I bet they're separate phones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:38
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     ► 
     - Right, so I bet that watch is connected 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:41
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     ► 
     to Tim's work iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:43
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     ► 
     So like all the data's real, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:44
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     ► 
     but they are set up in such a way that it is like- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:47
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     ► 
     - Right, he's not gonna get a text from a family member, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:49
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     ► 
     you know, in front of the press. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:51
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     ► 
     - Sanitize, exactly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:52
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     ► 
     - Do you ever get the curiosity to like ask, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:56
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     ► 
     like imagine in a scenario in which you could ask 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:59
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     ► 
     these executives like super mundane questions, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:02
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     ► 
     like, "Hey Craig, do you like broccoli?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:05
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     ► 
     Or like, "Are you good at Tetris?" 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:53:08
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     ► 
     - It is honestly my ideal type of question 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:11
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     ► 
     to ask someone in this position, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:13
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     ► 
     but it's not something that anyone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:15
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     ► 
     would ever be happy with me doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:16
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     ► 
     - I know, that's the problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:18
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     ► 
     Like you're not, you're like, I would super want to know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:21
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     ► 
     like, "Hey, what's your, I don't know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:22
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     ► 
     your favorite food or something?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:24
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     ► 
     Like, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:26
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     ► 
     - 'Cause also there is rarely a question 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:29
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     ► 
     which they can, like if we had the opportunity 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:32
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     ► 
     to have Tim on the show, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:53:35
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     ► 
     - And we said to him like- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:37
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     ► 
     - Do you like broccoli? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:38
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     ► 
     - No, but like if we asked him the actual questions 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:40
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     ► 
     that people would want you to ask him, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:42
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     ► 
     the answers by and large will be unsatisfactory. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:53:46
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     ► 
     - And so like you have to do enough work 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:49
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     ► 
     to try and come up with getting a tech focused answer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:52
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     ► 
     which could be interesting, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:53
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     ► 
     So like that is hard work. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:55
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     ► 
     It would be more fun to be like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:57
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     ► 
     "Hey, Tim, what do you have for breakfast?" 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:54:01
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     ► 
     - Like I think that would just be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:01
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     ► 
     a more interesting conversation to have, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:03
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     ► 
     but like no one would be happy with that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:05
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     ► 
     except the three of us. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:06
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     ► 
     - Well, that would be, yeah, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:08
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     ► 
     - Well, speaking of watches, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:10
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     ► 
     it looks like Apple's Pride watch face and band have leaked. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:15
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     ► 
     There's an article over on 9to5 speaking of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:18
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     ► 
     And it's a kind of confetti theme this year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:21
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     ► 
     - Steven, nobody's speaking of 9to5. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:23
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     ► 
     That was cold, Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:54:25
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     ► 
     - This is what happens when you hit your head. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:26
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     ► 
     - Look, all these Mac websites look the same. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:28
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     ► 
     - Keep the Mac website separate. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:29
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     ► 
     - They all look the same. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:30
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     ► 
     - Oh my God. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - There's blue navigation. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:54:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Well, 9to5 have that thing now where they, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:37
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     ► 
     did they have the thing with the comment 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     where they're like, "Look at this top comment." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So they've changed that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:42
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     ► 
     - Oh, I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I use a content blocker, so probably. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - So they're different now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:46
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     ► 
     Yeah, this is a confetti kind of sprinkles is the theme 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:51
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     ► 
     it looks like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:52
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     ► 
     - No, I kind of like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - So like this is for the watch face and the watch band. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I think this might end up being my first Apple Sport Loop 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:55:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Oh, it's another loop? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:55:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - You know it is, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:07
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     ► 
     Like that's all they do now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:55:09
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     ► 
     - It's gonna be a loop for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:55:12
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     ► 
     - 'Cause that's what they make. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:13
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     ► 
     - Enough with the loops. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I mean, come on, enough with the loops. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Just saying, it's out there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I really dig the look, but not another loop. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:23
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     ► 
     I've never had one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:24
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     ► 
     So maybe this would be my first chance to get one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:27
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     ► 
     But it does look super cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - It does look cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - If people want a t-shirt to go with that, by the way, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the parallel podcasts here on Relay FM, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they just put out a sprinkled focused t-shirt, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     accessibility sprinkles, which is the tagline of the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So this will fit with that visually. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, go full sprinkles. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Well, speaking of Mac websites, nailed it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:52
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     ► 
     Did y'all see this on MacRumors about Beats Studio Buds Plus 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that look incredible? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So these are, it's like a frosted transparency. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Like they're not perfectly see-through, like the... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - They're kind of like the nothing new one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, but I love the way these look. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:11
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     ► 
     I don't know if I have any feelings about the Buds Plus. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:13
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     ► 
     I've never tried them, but everything should look like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:17
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     ► 
     - Mary tried these? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:18
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     ► 
     - She may have. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I don't remember what she's tried over the years. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     She's currently using the Powerbeats Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     'cause she likes the ear loop, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you know, that goes like over the outside of the ear. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:56:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Hey, Apple, if you think you have courage, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:34
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     ► 
     if you think you really have courage, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     make your next iPhone like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, dude, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Give me a see-through iPhone that looks like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I would go as far to say, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     if they only did this on the regular phone and not the Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I would forego the Pro for a phone that looked like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Ah, interesting challenge, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I love this look. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - As you are halfway through that sentence, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I was gonna agree, but then I'd stop. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - But then think of all the things you're gonna miss. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Exactly, that would be very difficult. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Let me pay, like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I would honestly pay a high premium 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to get a Pro version of the iPhone that looks like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - To be fair, if they did offer it in the regular iPhone, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's actually not that much of a thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for Steven to say he would buy it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because through the course of a model year, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Steven buys all of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - To be fair, it's kind of easy for you, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, 'cause you always just buy different sized phones 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and just change them up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - But like, we poor people just buy it once. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:57:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And so we gotta really make a good decision. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Wait, we poor people who buy every iPhone year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     just buy one of them? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - We, the poor ones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I guess, yes, we're not hack it, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Well, you know, we're not hack it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - You know, Kate just said in the Discord, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Mr. Flip-Flop, which now has a new meaning. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:57:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Oh no, there's the joke. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - He also flip-flopped his actual truck. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Was it all for the show? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - No, I assure you it was not. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Were you keeping a persona there? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Were you in character? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:58:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - He wanted to add to that Wikipedia article thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the Wiki, the Wiki fan Wiki thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:58:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     What's a Wiki fan? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Wiki, there's like a fan focused Wiki thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     where someone's keeping track of all of the devices 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that Steven has broken. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Oh yes, yes. - Unbelievably. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Someone add a 2015 Toyota Tacoma to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - These ones, the Beast Studio Buds, the regular ones, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     these are Austin Evans's favorite earphones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     He likes the, like, just enjoy, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and he says they sound great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     These are the plus, and so they've enhanced 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the noise cancellation and transparency features, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     'cause they're effectively AirPods Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they have the features of an AirPods Pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but they're longer battery life. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I'm often fascinated by Austin's tech choices, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because a lot of times I super agree with Austin. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, he gets to try everything, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     So like, I would never try the Beats Studio Buds, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but he's like, these are for him, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     he's like, I like these as much as AirPods, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but the case he likes more, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and the physical size he likes more, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because it just goes right in the ears, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and it's like the whole stem thing, so. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Yeah, I mean, now I'm gonna buy these. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I know myself. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I mean, the fact that I think you and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     bought the Nothing earbuds 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     means that you should probably buy these, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because you're at least more likely to use these. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - I'm still using them, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they are my Nintendo Switch earbuds, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:59:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Last up before we finish today, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I recommend people go read Steven's art 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     called the Everything Headset. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I like Steven's take on the headset, it's a good take. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     - Thanks, thank you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yeah, I was happy with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     There's been a lot of conversation about, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is Apple gonna release this without a focus, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     What is it, can Apple really say what it's good for? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And it just kind of made me think about the other times 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Apple has announced a non-Mac product, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And over the years, they've become more complex. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And you know, the Watch and the iPad kind of, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well, maybe the iPad still hasn't found its way, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but the Watch found its way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     And I'm just not worried about that going into W3C. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I think Apple needs to make something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:27
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     that has a little bit of something for everybody, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause everything is a computer, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the headset's gotta do a bunch of different stuff, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I think it's okay that they don't have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a killer feature at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's one of the final sentences that really gets me, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when you say, in a sense, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every new product needs to be brought now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That is so true, especially in the tech field, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and not just for hardware products, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but like for services, for operating systems. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like everything needs to do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a little bit of everything right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And yeah, that really captures it, Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's the excellent use of the English language, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - To cover that from the same conclusion, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like a slightly different angle, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of like, imagine Apple knows 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what the killer app might be, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like, imagine to them, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're like, the new FaceTime is like it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like this very realistic, like co-present kind of idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like, imagine that they just know it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they're like, we are 100% certain, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's so good, so transformative, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people will just use FaceTime, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we've made this whole new thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and like, it's what people are gonna buy this for. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Even if that was the case, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it would be proven out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that when people got it and used it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're like, yep, this is the killer app, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like they're right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If that was what they got up on stage, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and said, this is all this does, crucified. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Even if they made it, and they knew they were right, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and like, that's the killer app, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's all anyone's gonna use, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it can't access your calendar, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it can't access your messages, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like people will be like, what are you doing? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This thing is a failure, I need, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it is that idea that you said, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like the table stakes of like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if you wanna make a device where, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     remember, this is a full operating system, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because ideally, it's supposed to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:20
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     a replacement for something, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Whether that's the iPhone, the Mac, or whatever, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, these devices are being created to be the next X, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which means it has to replace something. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You've got to be able to come into it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with like a full complement of whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:36
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     And so if you come into it, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it should be like it does this one thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:38
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     but trust us, it's really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, that's not gonna be good enough. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I mean, don't get me wrong, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I still think they have an uphill battle here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think this is not as obvious as a category 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as the watch was. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I mean, even if it's close to the rumored price, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's a big ask. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:56
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     So we'll see how it goes, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:57
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     but out of all the things to worry about this in advance, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the it being broad and kind of doing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a little bit of everything, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I think that's totally fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And in fact, I think it's actually probably a good thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - If I may add one last thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just on what you said about the Apple Watch, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:10
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     just like a really interesting comparison 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of like thinking back, we cast our mind back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The Apple Watch, the idea of a watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was like people wanted that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - That was a thing that was, I feel like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     universally enough of like, this is what they should do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:25
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     This is interesting as an idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:27
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     That is not the sentiment for this product. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like the entire category, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:33
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     I think people are at least in our community, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think in general as well, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:38
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     much more skeptical of like this entire product category. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:43
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     So the idea of the uphill battle, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:45
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     especially even compared to the Apple Watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is definitely the case. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:48
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     Also a hundred percent even further 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:50
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     for something like the iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:52
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     So it's gonna be interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:54
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     - I think that does it for this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:55
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     If you wanna find links to the stuff we spoke about, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:58
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     including all the apps that Mike mentioned 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:00
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     and Tim Cook's watch face, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:02
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     you can go roast it yourself and try it out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:04
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     Head on over to the website, relay.fm/connected/447. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:09
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     Those links are also in your podcast player. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:12
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     Along with two other links, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:13
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     there'll be a link to submit feedback on our website. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:16
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     If you have cool Mac apps 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:17
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     that Federico and Mike and I should check out, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:19
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     you can see those there, or you can submit those there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:23
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     If you have feedback followup, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:24
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     you can send that along as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:26
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     You can also become a member and get connected pro, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:29
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     which is a longer ad free version of the show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:31
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     that we release each and every week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:33
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     We are just around the corner from our annual special time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:37
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     So a bunch of relay.fm shows do an extra episode 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:40
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     just for members. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:42
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     And what's cool about this is, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:43
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     you can be a member of any show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:45
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     and you get access to all of these annual specials. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:48
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     So ours will be out the first couple of weeks of May, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:51
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     and we've got a bunch planned after that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:53
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     So be sure to look out for that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:55
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     If you're a member, it'll be in the crossover feed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:57
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     If you're not a member, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:58
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     now's a great time to get on board 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:00
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     ahead of those annual specials. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:01
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     'Cause you also get all the previous annual specials 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:04
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     in that feed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:05
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     You can find us all online. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:07
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     Mike hosts a bunch of other shows here on relay.fm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:09
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     and he's the co-founder of Cortex brand, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:12
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     maker of amazing products. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:14
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     You can find him on Mastodon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:17
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     He is Mike at, I'm gonna get it wrong. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:20
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     He is Mike, he is iMike and mike.social. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:24
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     - Yes, he's Mike. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:25
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     - He's Mike. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:26
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     - I'm just Mike. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:28
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     You just, he's up to you, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:29
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     - He is iMike. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:30
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     Set a Google up for me and find me there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:33
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     You know what I mean? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:33
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     - I'm mike at mike.social. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:35
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     Federico is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:40
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     home of Automation April, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:41
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     which we didn't talk about this week, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:43
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     but it's the end of April almost. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:45
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     - It's wrapped up and we're now judging the shortcuts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:48
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     that people submitted to the contest. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:05:51
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     Overall, don't tip your hand. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:53
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     Some good stuff in there this year? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:55
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     - Oh yeah, oh yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:56
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     Some really interesting stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:58
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     And now the problem is that I'm gonna spend 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:01
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     way too much time on some individual shortcuts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:05
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     because I wanna play around with them, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:07
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     but my job is to be fast and quick 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:09
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     with all the hundreds of submissions that we got. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:12
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     So yeah, there's some really good stuff in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:15
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     - Cool, I'm looking forward to it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:16
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     You can find Federico at mastodon.maxstories.net as Vitici. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:21
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     You can find my writing at 512pixels.net 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:25
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     and I co-host Mac Power Users 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:26
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     that comes out every Sunday afternoon here on Relay FM. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:29
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     And I am ismh@eworld.social. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:33
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     I'd like to thank our sponsors this week, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:34
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     Electric and Fast Growing Trees. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:37
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     Until next time guys, say goodbye. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:39
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     - Adios, etchÃ.