00:00:00 ◼ ► hello everybody we are live from las [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/0">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► not really no I'm just kidding and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/10">TS</a>]
00:00:11 ◼ ► we're going to talk about stars for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/11">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► three hours as a little exchange between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/12">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► watching ever listening up there folks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/20">TS</a>]
00:00:22 ◼ ► there in the cloud that's why I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/22">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► peter brock power was tweeting at us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/24">TS</a>]
00:00:28 ◼ ► about this and he said an FYI up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/28">TS</a>]
00:00:30 ◼ ► is hosted on AWS Little Snitch told me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/30">TS</a>]
00:00:33 ◼ ► so AWS Amazon Web Services and little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/33">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► stitches a firewall program to tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/35">TS</a>]
00:00:37 ◼ ► where computers connected to ya and up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/37">TS</a>]
00:00:39 ◼ ► there on Twitter responded not true we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/39">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► built our own stack from the ground up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/42">TS</a>]
00:00:43 ◼ ► and host our service on this stack so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/43">TS</a>]
00:00:46 ◼ ► I'm not quite sure what little snitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/46">TS</a>]
00:00:47 ◼ ► was on about maybe it's connected AWS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/47">TS</a>]
00:00:49 ◼ ► for some ancillary things but straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/49">TS</a>]
00:00:51 ◼ ► from the up their horses mouse mouth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/51">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► they are not using AWS they have built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/54">TS</a>]
00:00:55 ◼ ► their own stack which is what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/55">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► talking about the last show whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/56">TS</a>]
00:00:57 ◼ ► mysterious technology they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/57">TS</a>]
00:00:59 ◼ ► presumably the whole point the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/59">TS</a>]
00:01:01 ◼ ► is not to write in iOS and mac app that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/61">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► connects to s3 like that's not you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/64">TS</a>]
00:01:08 ◼ ► I don't think for transfer layer would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/68">TS</a>]
00:01:10 ◼ ► do a start-up and focus on that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/70">TS</a>]
00:01:13 ◼ ► well I mean they could have also been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/73">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► working a layer above that like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/75">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► could have been using easy to servers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/77">TS</a>]
00:01:19 ◼ ► like some other part of AWS as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/79">TS</a>]
00:01:21 ◼ ► their overly know just like how I cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/81">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► uses some AWS stuff and some as your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/83">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► stuff as far as we knew forever ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/86">TS</a>]
00:01:28 ◼ ► yeah but that like what would the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/88">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► may even even a c2 like I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/91">TS</a>]
00:01:34 ◼ ► just seems it seems counter but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/94">TS</a>]
00:01:36 ◼ ► all there is that's all the rest up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/96">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► there there's no it's a icon is built on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/97">TS</a>]
00:01:39 ◼ ► top of this whole bunch of other stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/99">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► like that's just this you can use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► street the storage back end or view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/102">TS</a>]
00:01:44 ◼ ► movie if you don't have your own data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/104">TS</a>]
00:01:45 ◼ ► centers or whatever you may be good bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/105">TS</a>]
00:01:47 ◼ ► 24 compute stuff but i don't know i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/107">TS</a>]
00:01:49 ◼ ► always imagine whatever they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/109">TS</a>]
00:01:53 ◼ ► fair enough any other follow-up through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/113">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► this and follow up just because it's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/116">TS</a>]
00:01:58 ◼ ► don't know if there's any information [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/118">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► here but if you throw in some follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/119">TS</a>]
00:02:01 ◼ ► just because you couldn't stand not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/121">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► no i mean like i was i had this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/123">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► topic section before when I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/125">TS</a>]
00:02:06 ◼ ► know we talked about this on a pet show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/126">TS</a>]
00:02:08 ◼ ► so it's kind of follow-up but i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/128">TS</a>]
00:02:09 ◼ ► sure how filled information it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/129">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► friend of mine was messaging me today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/132">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► he's like so how do you feel about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/134">TS</a>]
00:02:15 ◼ ► headphone port going away from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/135">TS</a>]
00:02:17 ◼ ► iphone 7 and I said a you obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/137">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► don't know Claud cast and be at what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/140">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► you know what are you talking about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► i missed some news or something is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► oh yeah they were talking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/148">TS</a>]
00:02:29 ◼ ► before but it wasn't confirmed until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/149">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► today I like woody what are you talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/150">TS</a>]
00:02:32 ◼ ► about like I really thought like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/152">TS</a>]
00:02:33 ◼ ► Apple had announced that there was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/153">TS</a>]
00:02:35 ◼ ► be no headphone cord on the iphone 7 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/155">TS</a>]
00:02:37 ◼ ► I forget the regular people don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/157">TS</a>]
00:02:39 ◼ ► what confirmed means so this is a former [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/159">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► headlines iphone 7 leaks confirm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/164">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► single quotes Apple abandoning headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/167">TS</a>]
00:02:49 ◼ ► jack so they put they did the work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/169">TS</a>]
00:02:51 ◼ ► you they put in scare quotes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/171">TS</a>]
00:02:53 ◼ ► headline at least have the decency to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/173">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► say confirm doing air quotes now confirm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► any way more so we talked about this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► a path show more rumors more supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/180">TS</a>]
00:03:04 ◼ ► park leaks this one has a neat little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/184">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► concept image because you can never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► remember story you gotta have someone do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/188">TS</a>]
00:03:09 ◼ ► a mock-up image of the iphone 7 and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/189">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► looking at this mock-up image and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/192">TS</a>]
00:03:15 ◼ ► do you guys think it looks a little thin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/195">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► to me but anyway this is more smoke for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/197">TS</a>]
00:03:20 ◼ ► this potential fire of the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/200">TS</a>]
00:03:22 ◼ ► port going why i don't know i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/202">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► too early to make any kind of call but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/203">TS</a>]
00:03:26 ◼ ► if I keep it is not that forms a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/206">TS</a>]
00:03:29 ◼ ► track record but it's making me think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/209">TS</a>]
00:03:31 ◼ ► about it against making you think how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/211">TS</a>]
00:03:33 ◼ ► Apple could explain this inevitability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/213">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► if not this year then next to the year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► after the year after and I think a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/218">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► of the stuff in this article is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/220">TS</a>]
00:03:43 ◼ ► way that they might explain it the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/223">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► being that the phone would be smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/224">TS</a>]
00:03:49 ◼ ► depending on context i wish all of apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/229">TS</a>]
00:03:51 ◼ ► slices were smarter this way all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/231">TS</a>]
00:03:53 ◼ ► Apple services and devices so if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/233">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► listening on my wireless headphones you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► know my car explain to bluetooth I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/238">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► whatever I sit down at my desk and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/242">TS</a>]
00:04:05 ◼ ► switches to outputting through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/245">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► awareness where you don't have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/251">TS</a>]
00:04:12 ◼ ► plugging and unplugging things will just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/252">TS</a>]
00:04:14 ◼ ► know based on your location of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/254">TS</a>]
00:04:16 ◼ ► devices there or your preferred sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/256">TS</a>]
00:04:17 ◼ ► output devices that and then you say see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/257">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► isn't that better than headphone jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/261">TS</a>]
00:04:22 ◼ ► and say yeah that actually worked that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/262">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► would kind of be better than headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/264">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► jack and lets you could make your phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/265">TS</a>]
00:04:29 ◼ ► I don't know if that world is in arrive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/269">TS</a>]
00:04:31 ◼ ► in time for the iphone 7 but one way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/271">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► yeah I mean we we talked this to death a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/275">TS</a>]
00:04:38 ◼ ► few episodes back so it is i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/278">TS</a>]
00:04:39 ◼ ► we spend too much time on it but I i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/279">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► headphone jack is probably on its way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► think as we discussed last time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► probably still a few years off mean it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/288">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► think the one of the biggest supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/291">TS</a>]
00:04:53 ◼ ► for this is to look at the macbook one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/293">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► and the macbook one has two ports the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► multi-purpose USB / charging port and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/298">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► headphone jack and they couldn't justify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/302">TS</a>]
00:05:04 ◼ ► any other ports on that but they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/304">TS</a>]
00:05:06 ◼ ► justify a headphone jack and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/306">TS</a>]
00:05:07 ◼ ► that goes to show just how often they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/307">TS</a>]
00:05:09 ◼ ► used and bluetooth headphones do exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/309">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► there are some decent ones there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/314">TS</a>]
00:05:17 ◼ ► very few good or even great ones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/317">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► there's a lot of trade-offs to bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/321">TS</a>]
00:05:22 ◼ ► headphones that make them not only less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/322">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► unusable for certain applications so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/326">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► it's it is not a clean transition i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/329">TS</a>]
00:05:33 ◼ ► guessing that that one like kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/333">TS</a>]
00:05:36 ◼ ► crazy translated million times from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/336">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► different languages story that we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/338">TS</a>]
00:05:40 ◼ ► back then back in a month ago or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/340">TS</a>]
00:05:42 ◼ ► that one story about how they're just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/342">TS</a>]
00:05:44 ◼ ► a passive special lightning adapter for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/344">TS</a>]
00:05:46 ◼ ► this new revision of the Lightning port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/346">TS</a>]
00:05:48 ◼ ► that would basically have a DAC on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/348">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► phone and have it be able to send analog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/352">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► audio through a cheap passive attempt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/355">TS</a>]
00:05:57 ◼ ► earth through the port into a headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/357">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► jack port through like a little breakout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/359">TS</a>]
00:06:01 ◼ ► cable i think that's pretty plausible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/361">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► and so if they that I think is the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/362">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► plausible explanation I've heard for why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/365">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► this might not be a big deal if they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/368">TS</a>]
00:06:10 ◼ ► make a cheap-ass adapter like that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/370">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► and you know just said that to you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► even included in the box if it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/375">TS</a>]
00:06:16 ◼ ► that cheap and passive they probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/376">TS</a>]
00:06:18 ◼ ► won't it'll be more likely they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/378">TS</a>]
00:06:20 ◼ ► sell it for thirty bucks but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/380">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► the weekend we can dream but i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► know where there's smoke there's usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/385">TS</a>]
00:06:26 ◼ ► some fire and I think there's enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/386">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► smoke around this that I would move it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/388">TS</a>]
00:06:35 ◼ ► and I think if we if we consider that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/395">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► that like special lightning adapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► passive adapter thing that makes it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/399">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► digestible it's like it makes it suck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/406">TS</a>]
00:06:49 ◼ ► basically with all these type of stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/409">TS</a>]
00:06:53 ◼ ► inevitability until we eventually get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/413">TS</a>]
00:06:55 ◼ ► the real parts leaks especially with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/415">TS</a>]
00:06:57 ◼ ► phones you know as the date of the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/417">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► phone approaches were pretty far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/418">TS</a>]
00:07:00 ◼ ► now so I was thinking that this next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/420">TS</a>]
00:07:06 ◼ ► mmm nudge it slightly more towards the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/426">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► realm of possibility but it's still so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/429">TS</a>]
00:07:11 ◼ ► far out that it's within the realm of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/431">TS</a>]
00:07:14 ◼ ► things that could end up being totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/434">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► wrong but we'll keep watching keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/435">TS</a>]
00:07:16 ◼ ► watching it knowledge ever closer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/436">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► we'll go basically know for sure when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► the real parts likes come out because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/440">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► don't think we've had a significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/441">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► iphone revision and a long time where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/443">TS</a>]
00:07:26 ◼ ► haven't got to look at pretty much every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/446">TS</a>]
00:07:27 ◼ ► piece of this thing all disassembled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/447">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► before it arrives it will probably know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/449">TS</a>]
00:07:35 ◼ ► especially like this like you may not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/455">TS</a>]
00:07:38 ◼ ► can you not you can't figure out all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/458">TS</a>]
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00:15:09 ◼ ► gives you a whole mess of ports because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/909">TS</a>]
00:15:10 ◼ ► you too big normal size USB gives us d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/910">TS</a>]
00:15:13 ◼ ► car looks like a CF card and also has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/913">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► pastor for us bc and this one is from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/916">TS</a>]
00:15:18 ◼ ► hyper this looks nice to me i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/918">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► talking at work today with someone so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/922">TS</a>]
00:15:24 ◼ ► think i mentioned in the past that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/924">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► i'm working these days they're cinema [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/925">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► displays everywhere are well really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/927">TS</a>]
00:15:30 ◼ ► place i should say and I've always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/930">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► so jealous because I've always kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► wanted one of those so that i could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/933">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► sit my laptop down plug in just a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/934">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► of cables and then I be connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/936">TS</a>]
00:15:38 ◼ ► ethernet my microphone and and whatnot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/938">TS</a>]
00:15:40 ◼ ► and and this is a fifty-dollar on sale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/940">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► you know like kind of many docking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► station and although it doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/945">TS</a>]
00:15:47 ◼ ► ethernet which a little bit of a bummer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/947">TS</a>]
00:15:49 ◼ ► this is the sort of thing that if I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/949">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► a macbook one I would absolutely stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► one of these on my desk in and make it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► little easier to use even like what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/955">TS</a>]
00:15:57 ◼ ► promising about this too is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/957">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► know they're there have always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/959">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► similar products although never very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/959">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► many of them for thunderbolt and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/962">TS</a>]
00:16:04 ◼ ► were always basically from like two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/964">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► mm so this it's probably the USB stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/968">TS</a>]
00:16:12 ◼ ► even though it is obviously a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/972">TS</a>]
00:16:13 ◼ ► more limited like technically then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/973">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► what's it a few more things first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/977">TS</a>]
00:16:19 ◼ ► this is very very small and it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/979">TS</a>]
00:16:21 ◼ ► seems to fit the profile pretty well of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/981">TS</a>]
00:16:23 ◼ ► the laptop so that's nice to hear you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/983">TS</a>]
00:16:25 ◼ ► it's small but like it's compared it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/985">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► small laptop compared to the size light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/990">TS</a>]
00:16:33 ◼ ► percentage-wise i feel like i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/993">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► portable thing to something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/996">TS</a>]
00:16:39 ◼ ► worries me a lot when i look at it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/999">TS</a>]
00:16:41 ◼ ► the USBC port the only mechanical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1001">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► connection between this again like small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► and absolute size but larger relative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► size is that the only connection to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► thing like what have you tried to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:52 ◼ ► this thing up from the side of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1012">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► adapter and accidentally grabbed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► little bit below the spc but would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:57 ◼ ► twist and crack this thing off and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1017">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► doesn't seem to have any other means of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:01 ◼ ► connecting itself the thing other than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1021">TS</a>]
00:17:04 ◼ ► lightweight and everything just what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1024">TS</a>]
00:17:06 ◼ ► looks like is extending your laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1026">TS</a>]
00:17:08 ◼ ► sideways by an inch but it's not it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1028">TS</a>]
00:17:11 ◼ ► like I don't know it just seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1031">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► is a lever made to break that connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► yeah good point this well and again you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► can look at this stuff like I i think if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:21 ◼ ► you're going to be connecting things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1041">TS</a>]
00:17:24 ◼ ► your macbook on a regular basis the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1044">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► macbook one is probably not the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:28 ◼ ► model for you you know because we like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1048">TS</a>]
00:17:30 ◼ ► we know a lot of people who have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1050">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► things most of whom love them and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:35 ◼ ► the number one thing we hear from these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1055">TS</a>]
00:17:37 ◼ ► people who love them whenever the port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1057">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► conversation comes up is they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► so it's fine and I think if you're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:44 ◼ ► to be plugging things in just get either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1064">TS</a>]
00:17:46 ◼ ► an air or the presumed soon to be coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1066">TS</a>]
00:17:50 ◼ ► sky like 13 inch pro which should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1070">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► probably be pretty competitive than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:55 ◼ ► missing lightness wise to the 13 chair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1075">TS</a>]
00:17:58 ◼ ► yeah i think this though but especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1078">TS</a>]
00:18:01 ◼ ► the the price like you said Mark I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1081">TS</a>]
00:18:02 ◼ ► that is stunningly cheap yeah 50 bucks I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1082">TS</a>]
00:18:05 ◼ ► mean you can't get a thunderbolt cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1085">TS</a>]
00:18:07 ◼ ► four 55s seriously probably can now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1087">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► please don't even know me but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► it reminds me of like a pc peripherals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► because it's like a CF card reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:17 ◼ ► really no it's not it's not no it's SD [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1097">TS</a>]
00:18:23 ◼ ► everything is relative to the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1103">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► the mackerel keep forgetting how darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:26 ◼ ► small thing actually is so yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1106">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► anyway the SD of the micro-st it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:32 ◼ ► took out those two slots then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1112">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► wouldn't have such a long lever with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:36 ◼ ► which to crack off the USBC connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1116">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► but you know there will be a it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:40 ◼ ► as if I think like go full-length [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1120">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► internet like seven more slots or go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:44 ◼ ► even shorter and just add the full-size [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1124">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► USB you know and the pastor I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:50 ◼ ► I don't know anyway people apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1130">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► buying them so excited you can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► go that far wrong for fifty bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:57 ◼ ► and i would definitely recommend for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1137">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► people who have their laptop on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► constantly picking it up and carrying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:04 ◼ ► place to place or if you want to travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1144">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► with it and like if you wanna be like on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:07 ◼ ► the plane but you have like plain old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1147">TS</a>]
00:19:09 ◼ ► USB peripherals that you need to use or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1149">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► you want to be swapping SD card to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► but you know pulling pictures of cameras [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► while you're sitting in your plane seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► I wouldn't want this thing hanging out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► the side while I'm trying to handle my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:22 ◼ ► well see to me I i think this would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1162">TS</a>]
00:19:24 ◼ ► actually the opposite way i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1164">TS</a>]
00:19:25 ◼ ► for a desk you want something with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1165">TS</a>]
00:19:28 ◼ ► one cable that plugs in and have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1168">TS</a>]
00:19:30 ◼ ► kind of breakout box with the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1170">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► stuff in it that way you can kind of get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► it away from the side of the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:34 ◼ ► and not have the stress on there every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1174">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► single day and kind of make a cleaner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► desk if you can if you can hide that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:39 ◼ ► stuff somewhere behind a desk or under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1179">TS</a>]
00:19:41 ◼ ► ever whereas the this one I think we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1181">TS</a>]
00:19:44 ◼ ► better for travel because you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1184">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► adaptability to these three different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:48 ◼ ► port types in one small thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1188">TS</a>]
00:19:50 ◼ ► doesn't have itself it's own cable so 44 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1190">TS</a>]
00:19:55 ◼ ► tidiness in a travel bag full of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1195">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► cable adapters and computer junk this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► would actually be a big win i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:02 ◼ ► mostly because then there's less chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1202">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► of meeting someone lifting up and crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:06 ◼ ► nothing off you know because explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1206">TS</a>]
00:20:09 ◼ ► yeah and you can manipulate it and stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1209">TS</a>]
00:20:11 ◼ ► the things into it you're right like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1211">TS</a>]
00:20:12 ◼ ► is even better will be a cable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1212">TS</a>]
00:20:14 ◼ ► snakes away from the thing and it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1214">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► work well for travel in terms of clutter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► but I don't know it just makes me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:20 ◼ ► nervous just looking at like I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1220">TS</a>]
00:20:22 ◼ ► looking at that because of pictures like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1222">TS</a>]
00:20:24 ◼ ► connector it just doesn't seem the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1224">TS</a>]
00:20:28 ◼ ► yeah that that would make me nervous as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1228">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► well to be honest but I mean it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► the thing is I think you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:33 ◼ ► break the computer with that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1233">TS</a>]
00:20:35 ◼ ► going to break the adapter because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1235">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► computer has the aluminum case like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:38 ◼ ► laser-cut opening around that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1238">TS</a>]
00:20:40 ◼ ► you're not going to break the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1240">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► by twisting the thing I'd feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:42 ◼ ► you're going to break the or maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1242">TS</a>]
00:20:43 ◼ ► would be just a battle between two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1243">TS</a>]
00:20:45 ◼ ► pieces of aluminum see which one I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1245">TS</a>]
00:20:48 ◼ ► know the world's least interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1248">TS</a>]
00:20:50 ◼ ► yeah well it's exactly all these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1250">TS</a>]
00:20:52 ◼ ► are doing like the yeah was it a mkbhd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1252">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► whatever was doing his stabbing the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► iphone 6 suppose that iphone 6 screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:01 ◼ ► with a knife and everything we need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1261">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► even more boring equivalent of that of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► let's that stress test the connector on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:07 ◼ ► this USB hub type thing because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1267">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► that's our domain if we have a youtube [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:10 ◼ ► channel will be all USB hubs ok you hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1270">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► you heard it here first type of shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:15 ◼ ► send us one of these to review along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1275">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► with a macbook one that you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► and we will do this to mr. on the air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► pretty remarkable film it on his fancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► still image camera that's also kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:26 ◼ ► yeah all right anything else on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1286">TS</a>]
00:21:31 ◼ ► thing I can't believe this is the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1291">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► this week it's like it's this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► this is why I hate CES because the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► pie-in-the-sky stuff that will never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:45 ◼ ► it's like it's not with some CS news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1305">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► like people keep sending me the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:49 ◼ ► about the like OLED TVs that are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1309">TS</a>]
00:21:51 ◼ ► to be shown or announced that CS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1311">TS</a>]
00:21:54 ◼ ► maybe they have been by today but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1314">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► haven't caught up on the story said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► basically just wait for CS to be over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► and then find the summary stories to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:01 ◼ ► pick out the three things that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1321">TS</a>]
00:22:02 ◼ ► actually good or interesting and say yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1322">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► and then just read that that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► all but I CS is good for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:09 ◼ ► they find out that like it's a it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1329">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► an interesting year where nothing good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► has happened or you find out like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:14 ◼ ► however still obsessed with 3d or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1334">TS</a>]
00:22:16 ◼ ► everyone is still obsessed with curved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1336">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► screens or some other chemical you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:18 ◼ ► like this year the gimmick seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1338">TS</a>]
00:22:20 ◼ ► identical range which I am interested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1340">TS</a>]
00:22:23 ◼ ► and I hope is an emerging standards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1343">TS</a>]
00:22:25 ◼ ► will be like this is a picture it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1345">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► legitimate picture quality improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► not something that's chemically like 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:32 ◼ ► and not something that's ridiculous like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1352">TS</a>]
00:22:34 ◼ ► the curve so I I'm glad for that to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1354">TS</a>]
00:22:39 ◼ ► the new thing this year but if it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1359">TS</a>]
00:22:41 ◼ ► new thing this mirror that means all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1361">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► televisions that have any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► support for this year going to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:46 ◼ ► the very first generation that tries to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1366">TS</a>]
00:22:48 ◼ ► support and maybe they're competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1368">TS</a>]
00:22:49 ◼ ► standards and that's all I got to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1369">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► itself out so it's still not time to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► a TV but i'd like to read about that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:55 ◼ ► I haven't yet so I don't think so yes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1375">TS</a>]
00:22:58 ◼ ► a total loss is just like a ninety-eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1378">TS</a>]
00:23:01 ◼ ► wow what a low bar that we expect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1381">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► God soso John your summary of the TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:09 ◼ ► news coming out of CES is I'm ready yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1389">TS</a>]
00:23:12 ◼ ► that's my i will give next week i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1392">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► know more but my summary is it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► like I dynamic ranges the thing is here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:19 ◼ ► and I don't know whether everyone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1399">TS</a>]
00:23:22 ◼ ► over the curved screen thing it freaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1402">TS</a>]
00:23:24 ◼ ► we should we should actually said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1404">TS</a>]
00:23:27 ◼ ► would love to send you to las vegas for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1407">TS</a>]
00:23:29 ◼ ► this week just just to just to capture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1409">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► the misery of that trip that like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► would be I would go for that if it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► just to film you being there nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► wants to go to see nobody does that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:40 ◼ ► the thing that I think people understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1420">TS</a>]
00:23:42 ◼ ► like for those who know a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1422">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► who cover CS as part of their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► nobody likes it like people like going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► to back a day people like going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:53 ◼ ► interested in apple stuff people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1433">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► going to w3c people like going to google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:57 ◼ ► i/o if you're interested in Google's up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1437">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► nobody i'm i think a lot about who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► this for I guess it's is it for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► retailers or advertisers John it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:11 ◼ ► no I mean it seems like there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1451">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► legitimate reasons for some people to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:16 ◼ ► there seems like there's a lot of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1456">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► meeting with the reps that happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► private meetings that can be very useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► to people but to actually be on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► floor I don't really know who that's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:25 ◼ ► necessarily besides like people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1465">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► tasked with covering it and who as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:30 ◼ ► said usually hate this job because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1470">TS</a>]
00:24:32 ◼ ► grueling and and pretty pretty intense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1472">TS</a>]
00:24:35 ◼ ► but even people who are meeting with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1475">TS</a>]
00:24:36 ◼ ► reps behind closed doors I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1476">TS</a>]
00:24:38 ◼ ► like the meetings but they wish they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1478">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► could meet basically anywhere in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► world of the CGS like all come to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:45 ◼ ► city where is your company located i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1485">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► will fly the your city and do i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:48 ◼ ► guess maybe it seems I just I just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1488">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► heard anyone say I can't wait to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:54 ◼ ► nobody not vendors not people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1494">TS</a>]
00:24:56 ◼ ► going to meet with vendors like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1496">TS</a>]
00:24:59 ◼ ► the most circles on traveling like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1499">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► people who were like some a buyer for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:03 ◼ ► big store chain like the best buy person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1503">TS</a>]
00:25:05 ◼ ► or something you want to go to see what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1505">TS</a>]
00:25:06 ◼ ► they're gonna buy for that maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1506">TS</a>]
00:25:08 ◼ ► look forward to it just seems it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1508">TS</a>]
00:25:10 ◼ ► the worst of it I think of everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1510">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► concentrated and then i can multiply by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:15 ◼ ► 5 kinda like III used to be but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1515">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► III was exciting for people who weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► there like even III was at its worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:22 ◼ ► I've ever been to three but i know a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1522">TS</a>]
00:25:24 ◼ ► of people have even III was at its worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1524">TS</a>]
00:25:25 ◼ ► was just completely overblown and nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1525">TS</a>]
00:25:29 ◼ ► really you know it's exhausting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1529">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► it was exciting for people who weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:33 ◼ ► there because he would say I can't wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1533">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► to see what announced at e3 so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:40 ◼ ► impression of cs is that people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1540">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► there don't want to be there and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:43 ◼ ► aren't there don't want to read about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1543">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► mysterious our second punch this week is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► a glue go to a glue software.com / ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► for internet you will actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► environment knows how painful Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:58 ◼ ► can be the contents tail the interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1558">TS</a>]
00:26:00 ◼ ► is ugly and you can't access on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1560">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► phone or any kind of modern device made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► after the year 2010 now igloo is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:06 ◼ ► internet you will actually like because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1566">TS</a>]
00:26:08 ◼ ► it is designed with modern technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1568">TS</a>]
00:26:10 ◼ ► and modern sensibilities for real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1570">TS</a>]
00:26:12 ◼ ► usability Italy give you the flexibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1572">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► to get your work done how you want where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► you want and whatever device you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► their truly building a product meant for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:24 ◼ ► with a glue internets you can share news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1584">TS</a>]
00:26:27 ◼ ► organize your files coordinate calendars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1587">TS</a>]
00:26:29 ◼ ► and manage projects all in one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1589">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► everything can be optionally social with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► comments like buttons revisions messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► and anyone can add content based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:39 ◼ ► their permissions with drag-and-drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1599">TS</a>]
00:26:41 ◼ ► widgets and what you see is what you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1601">TS</a>]
00:26:43 ◼ ► editor in a blue makes use of responsive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1603">TS</a>]
00:26:46 ◼ ► web design so it looks fantastic on all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1606">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► your devices whether they exist today or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► where they're going to come out tomorrow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► it will already look good because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:54 ◼ ► fully responsive modern web design with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1614">TS</a>]
00:26:56 ◼ ► modern social and and collaborative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1616">TS</a>]
00:26:58 ◼ ► features that so that you won't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1618">TS</a>]
00:27:00 ◼ ► your employees going out to use things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1620">TS</a>]
00:27:02 ◼ ► like you know dropbox and Twitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1622">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► like all the stuff that is public that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► you that you want to keep the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:07 ◼ ► inside your company inside your internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1627">TS</a>]
00:27:09 ◼ ► igloo is very corporate friendly they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1629">TS</a>]
00:27:12 ◼ ► that they're very secure the vehicle is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1632">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► granting permissions all the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:17 ◼ ► it's even free to use forever for up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1637">TS</a>]
00:27:19 ◼ ► 10 people so check it out today a glue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1639">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► software com / ATP free to use up to 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:24 ◼ ► people and very reasonably priced after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1644">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► that and at any size you get a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:28 ◼ ► trial so check it out today it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1648">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► software com / ATP for that free trial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:33 ◼ ► get started now thanks a lot to glue the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1653">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► internet you'll actually like so a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:39 ◼ ► weeks ago we started talking about Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1659">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► being open sourced and then we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► sidetracked by i'm not even sure what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:46 ◼ ► but here we are again scraping at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1666">TS</a>]
00:27:48 ◼ ► bottom of the barrel so why don't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1668">TS</a>]
00:27:50 ◼ ► talk a little more about switched open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1670">TS</a>]
00:27:51 ◼ ► source and actually talk about something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1671">TS</a>]
00:27:53 ◼ ► that's cool which is the swift code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1673">TS</a>]
00:27:54 ◼ ► conduct or if you let me talk with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1674">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► mac pro some more so that without the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► yeah we got to order the equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:01 ◼ ► the ball gets a burrowing topic after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1681">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► this but the code of conduct is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:04 ◼ ► that has been happening over the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1684">TS</a>]
00:28:07 ◼ ► I'd say year so has become more popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1687">TS</a>]
00:28:09 ◼ ► every sort of open source project or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1689">TS</a>]
00:28:11 ◼ ► volunteer based community thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1691">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► conferences around sort of any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► ad hoc collection of people especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► in the tech world has been starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► have an actual written down code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:24 ◼ ► conduct that is exactly what it sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1704">TS</a>]
00:28:27 ◼ ► set set of rules or expectations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1707">TS</a>]
00:28:31 ◼ ► behavior like just to give examples you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1711">TS</a>]
00:28:35 ◼ ► I don't know a website where people join [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1715">TS</a>]
00:28:38 ◼ ► want to talk about knitting and the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1718">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► of conduct could say if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:41 ◼ ► participate and admitting forms and talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1721">TS</a>]
00:28:44 ◼ ► we don't want you to use curse words or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1724">TS</a>]
00:28:47 ◼ ► whatever and then you can decide hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1727">TS</a>]
00:28:49 ◼ ► don't want to be part of a community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1729">TS</a>]
00:28:50 ◼ ► where I can't curse so you won't join [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1730">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► that knitting community right but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:54 ◼ ► sets clear expectations like here is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1734">TS</a>]
00:28:56 ◼ ► we expect people to behave and it gives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1736">TS</a>]
00:28:57 ◼ ► you something like if someone misbehave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1737">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► you can point the code of conduct hey we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:01 ◼ ► have a code of conduct here this is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1741">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► it's going to be these are the rules if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:05 ◼ ► someplace that's a different set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1745">TS</a>]
00:29:06 ◼ ► rules and it's like that for open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1746">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► projects for conferences where like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:12 ◼ ► going to show this conference is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1752">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► programming language and there's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► to be talks and everything what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► expectations what what kind of behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:22 ◼ ► how how are the people in this community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1762">TS</a>]
00:29:24 ◼ ► expected to be a there's been minimal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1764">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► push back to the idea of a code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► conduct is a lot of nerds are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:30 ◼ ► literal-minded and don't really see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1770">TS</a>]
00:29:33 ◼ ► nuances and things is a well code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1773">TS</a>]
00:29:35 ◼ ► conduct doesn't actually make people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1775">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► behave in a certain way you're right it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:37 ◼ ► doesn't but by writing it down you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1777">TS</a>]
00:29:39 ◼ ► setting expectations i can do for kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1779">TS</a>]
00:29:41 ◼ ► or whatever there any sort of that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1781">TS</a>]
00:29:44 ◼ ► just it's it's more comfortable to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1784">TS</a>]
00:29:46 ◼ ► what is expected because that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1786">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► everybody decide if they want to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► part of a community with this set of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:53 ◼ ► sort of rules and guidelines if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1793">TS</a>]
00:29:55 ◼ ► we're going to get interesting thing if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1795">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► you think not being allowed to curse is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:58 ◼ ► stupid you know right away this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1798">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► in any community for me I should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► someplace else where people are knitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► and also like the curse right and on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► minute stuff in terms of like making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:10 ◼ ► jokes other peoples expense or like any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1810">TS</a>]
00:30:14 ◼ ► sort of aggressive behavior and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1814">TS</a>]
00:30:18 ◼ ► just right now stuff like no violence no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1818">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► hitting other people so I guess mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:21 ◼ ► like that you do for little kids you set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1821">TS</a>]
00:30:23 ◼ ► the expectations of you know here's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1823">TS</a>]
00:30:25 ◼ ► you expected to behave in preschool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1825">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► no biting your friends expect you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:28 ◼ ► share the teacher is talking expect you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1828">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► to listen you know everybody eats at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:33 ◼ ► this time and maps at this time or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1833">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► whatever you doesn't mean that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:36 ◼ ► going to happen but you just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1836">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► write it down and I said the pushback is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► mostly of people thinking that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:46 ◼ ► you saying if we don't have a code of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1846">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► conduct we allow those things are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:49 ◼ ► to go without saying or writing it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1849">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► makes it seem like we're we're telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► people that are coming here that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► going to behave badly why do we need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:56 ◼ ► write down stuff like don't murder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1856">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► people like they should know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► already or are you trying to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:00 ◼ ► sound like we're a bunch of murderers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1860">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► here or really what's under the covers a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► say you're just coming up with the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:08 ◼ ► of conduct can be like especially like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1868">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► programming projects or whatever like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:14 ◼ ► there are debates about technical issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1874">TS</a>]
00:31:15 ◼ ► which we'll get to in a second debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1875">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► the issue don't debate the person don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► know ad hominem attacks when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:22 ◼ ► discussing some features and programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1882">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► language or open-source project don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► call the other people other person's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► do not attack the person or that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► is personal history keep your debate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:33 ◼ ► the topic at hand and again this may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1893">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► sound like yeah these all sound like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► reasonable rules whatever it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:38 ◼ ► little things you do for kids but at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1898">TS</a>]
00:31:40 ◼ ► certain point people push back against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1900">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► that an example is the linux kernel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► mailing list where linus torvalds or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:47 ◼ ► penis or ever you want to set the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1907">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► creator of linux very often is that uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:53 ◼ ► very salty language so again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1913">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► bending form of linux kernel mountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► was totally allowed to use curse words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:58 ◼ ► that's in there you know if they had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1918">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► contract which i'm not sure if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► but if they did it would be in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:02 ◼ ► because that's that's sort of what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1922">TS</a>]
00:32:04 ◼ ► expect and has been known to say pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1924">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► mean things about people not just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► their thing you know like it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:11 ◼ ► it's a there is a fine line am i calling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1931">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► when I say this is the stupidest idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:17 ◼ ► I'm kind of criticizing the idea but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1937">TS</a>]
00:32:19 ◼ ► also kind of being mean about it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1939">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► whatever anyway that community has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► pushed back against the idea of trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:24 ◼ ► to be more civil to each other or more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1944">TS</a>]
00:32:26 ◼ ► civil to each others ideas or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1946">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► like that so that's you know that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► kind of community one if you were to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:31 ◼ ► come in there and they were to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1951">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► come up with a code of conduct and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► make a set of rules that past behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:35 ◼ ► doesn't fit into the people with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1955">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► past behavior feel like they're now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:38 ◼ ► being excluded from the community that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1958">TS</a>]
00:32:39 ◼ ► they're important part anyway all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1959">TS</a>]
00:32:42 ◼ ► is a big grand way to say that Swift is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1962">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► doing what I think is the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:45 ◼ ► which is from the very beginning having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1965">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► a go to conduct and I look at the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:49 ◼ ► of conduct and it seems pretty saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1969">TS</a>]
00:32:52 ◼ ► and and pretty tame and i think it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1972">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► good thing for anybody whether it's in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:58 ◼ ► preschool or knitting club or an open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1978">TS</a>]
00:33:02 ◼ ► to our web form or anything to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1982">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► down their code of conduct as early as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:07 ◼ ► possible and revisited as needed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1987">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► amended and clarify and so on so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:13 ◼ ► just to have a starting point and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1993">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► guideline instead of just assuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► everybody will behave and all agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:18 ◼ ► about what proper behavior is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/1998">TS</a>]
00:33:20 ◼ ► pretty sad that it's come to this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2000">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► but i think that the one universal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► internet truth is that even if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► act like a petulant child upfront anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► on the internet is but the smallest push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► away from being a petulant child and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► i agree with you this is a good thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:39 ◼ ► have this reminds me of the post by was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2019">TS</a>]
00:33:42 ◼ ► randi harper's that right that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2022">TS</a>]
00:33:44 ◼ ► that shows what happens if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2024">TS</a>]
00:33:45 ◼ ► have a code of conduct and if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2025">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► think about these issues right so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:50 ◼ ► had posted this is freebsd or well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2030">TS</a>]
00:33:52 ◼ ► the woman who used to be known as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2032">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► previously girl she posted recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► really really good and not terribly long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:59 ◼ ► post about how she was treated in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2039">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► bsd community and its really pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► deplorable and in its in you could argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:06 ◼ ► just like Marco said that is in no small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2046">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► part because they didn't really have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:09 ◼ ► established code of conduct and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2049">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► even when they did if you believe what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► she says which I do you know they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:14 ◼ ► act they didn't act fairly once once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2054">TS</a>]
00:34:18 ◼ ► there were issues escalated which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2058">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► really too bad but that will put a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:23 ◼ ► to that in the show notes in and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2063">TS</a>]
00:34:25 ◼ ► work in any sort of community I i highly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2065">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► recommend reading her post because it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:32 ◼ ► was fascinating and a code of conduct by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2072">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► as many people that does not guarantee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:37 ◼ ► good behavior because there's issues of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2077">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► enforcement and those debates about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:42 ◼ ► enforceable at all like another reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2082">TS</a>]
00:34:44 ◼ ► people shy away from code of conduct as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2084">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► I think it opens up this big can of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► orange nail off the debates but these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:48 ◼ ► are these are important things to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2088">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► about and it's better to talk about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► before anything has happened like sorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:54 ◼ ► out amongst yourselves not in not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2094">TS</a>]
00:34:57 ◼ ► light of some actual event because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2097">TS</a>]
00:34:59 ◼ ► so much harder to figure it out in life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2099">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► no it's very difficult to come up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:03 ◼ ► good set of rules and figure out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2103">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► you're going to enforce them and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:06 ◼ ► follow through on it but it's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2106">TS</a>]
00:35:08 ◼ ► better to engage in that process than to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2108">TS</a>]
00:35:12 ◼ ► bury your head in the sand because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2112">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► engagement process will first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:14 ◼ ► people making the policies that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2114">TS</a>]
00:35:16 ◼ ► force you to think about things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2116">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► hopefully you'll go and say let me look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► at the people's code of conduct let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► look what they wrote down and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► collectively all the codes of conduct of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► various the communities and open-source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► products are getting better by looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:27 ◼ ► at each other in the open source kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2127">TS</a>]
00:35:29 ◼ ► way and say what are they run down how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2129">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► they phrase this what kind of all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:32 ◼ ► didn't even think of that we should put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2132">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► that into because I believe that but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:34 ◼ ► wouldn't have even occurred to me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2134">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► write it because i'm not in that group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► of marginalized people and didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:38 ◼ ► realize that was the thing we had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2138">TS</a>]
00:35:40 ◼ ► write down but i totally agree with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2140">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► now that i see it and you know get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► all down ahead of time and then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:46 ◼ ► gonna have you no incidents and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2146">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► have to figure out how to deal with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:50 ◼ ► and then you look at half of the palpa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2150">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► dealt with events and read you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► read Randy's thing and say here's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:55 ◼ ► this community tried to deal with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2155">TS</a>]
00:35:57 ◼ ► event and here here's how it went badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2157">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► what kind of policies can we have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:02 ◼ ► place to help with it no one's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2162">TS</a>]
00:36:03 ◼ ► perfect it's not a guarantee of anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2163">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► it just shows that you are engaged in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:08 ◼ ► the process that you are committed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2168">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► the idea that you can manage your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:12 ◼ ► community to be what you wanted to be to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2172">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► be a more welcoming community to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:17 ◼ ► successful community for the kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2177">TS</a>]
00:36:19 ◼ ► people that you want you can make a code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2179">TS</a>]
00:36:21 ◼ ► of conduct that sets totally different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2181">TS</a>]
00:36:23 ◼ ► kinds of rules but it's so much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2183">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► to just think about like Who I want what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:30 ◼ ► technically skilled but also really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2190">TS</a>]
00:36:32 ◼ ► really angry and mean all the time if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2192">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► you want that like right into your code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► expectation you'll be berated and curse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► that and we only accept people who have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► the highest of skills i'd like to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:46 ◼ ► the community you want for yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2206">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► whatever it is that you want but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► much better to to take on that task as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:53 ◼ ► an actual thing rather than falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2213">TS</a>]
00:36:55 ◼ ► ass-backwards into it's sort of like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2215">TS</a>]
00:36:58 ◼ ► just end up with this community and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2218">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► you're not quite sure how you got there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:03 ◼ ► important buttons and switches very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2223">TS</a>]
00:37:06 ◼ ► relatively late in the game to Swift was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2226">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► an open source project until recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:09 ◼ ► and I think they're benefiting from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2229">TS</a>]
00:37:12 ◼ ► all the other code of conduct that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2232">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► come before them and at this point it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:19 ◼ ► kind of the type of thing where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2239">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► are a community or an open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► project without a code of conduct people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:26 ◼ ► are going to ask why why don't you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2246">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► maybe you should think about not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► same your bed or anything but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:32 ◼ ► saying you may not have thought too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2252">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► about this but history has shown that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► a good thing to have and the active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► thinking about it will lead you to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► agreed alright what else is going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:46 ◼ ► with Swift this is a program every topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2266">TS</a>]
00:37:48 ◼ ► enough market talks about all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2268">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► under the radar but I save one for here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:51 ◼ ► I think you got to this one's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2271">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► esoteric but I continue to follow the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:55 ◼ ► Swift evolution mailing list or try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2275">TS</a>]
00:37:57 ◼ ► follow anyway it's still still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2277">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► high volume where the people talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:00 ◼ ► the future Swift and make proposals and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2280">TS</a>]
00:38:03 ◼ ► debate them and go through all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2283">TS</a>]
00:38:06 ◼ ► things this big process of evolving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2286">TS</a>]
00:38:08 ◼ ► Swift is becoming more formalized with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2288">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► different phases of whatever anyway this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:14 ◼ ► one particular proposal that I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2294">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► started to get at the heart of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:18 ◼ ► seems to be one of the big internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2298">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► objective-c development community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► I guess they're still not as that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:27 ◼ ► anyway all the people are writing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2307">TS</a>]
00:38:29 ◼ ► the code objective-c an apple saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2309">TS</a>]
00:38:32 ◼ ► guys should think about moving Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2312">TS</a>]
00:38:34 ◼ ► some point because we are and this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2314">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► debate around things that are allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► and disallowed static and dynamic you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► particular one is about whether classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► should be final by default in Swift as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► in if you don't say anything one way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:56 ◼ ► the other in your defining class and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2336">TS</a>]
00:38:57 ◼ ► Swift should that class b sub classical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2337">TS</a>]
00:39:00 ◼ ► and commendable and be able to do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2340">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► overwritten or by default should be all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:06 ◼ ► closed up and you can't screw with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2346">TS</a>]
00:39:07 ◼ ► and it's not really a question about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2347">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► capability because no one is saying all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:13 ◼ ► classes should be all closed up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2353">TS</a>]
00:39:15 ◼ ► final for all classes should be open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2355">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► defaults are in the defaults have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► the actual code because a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► just take the default right you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► then so if if no one does anything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:30 ◼ ► they just do class and I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2370">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► about this particular keyword don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:33 ◼ ► think about it what do they get by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2373">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► default and the second thing is by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:37 ◼ ► choosing the default if people think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2377">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► about it for a little bit they'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► it's like a signal from the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► language we think most of your classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:45 ◼ ► should be like this it's the default but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2385">TS</a>]
00:39:48 ◼ ► if you have special needs make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2388">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► class like this and like having a java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:56 ◼ ► you know the default is not final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2396">TS</a>]
00:39:58 ◼ ► I don't know my job i think that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2398">TS</a>]
00:39:59 ◼ ► case and so what they're saying is by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2399">TS</a>]
00:40:01 ◼ ► default in Java of you declare a class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2401">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► you can sub class but that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:06 ◼ ► we think that's the common case but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2406">TS</a>]
00:40:07 ◼ ► you have special needs like say for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2407">TS</a>]
00:40:09 ◼ ► performance reasons or you really don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2409">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► want people extending your class you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► declare it to be final by adding this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:14 ◼ ► other keyword and so that means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2414">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► most people just like a Java class blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:20 ◼ ► they're all getting glasses it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2420">TS</a>]
00:40:21 ◼ ► some class and extended all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2421">TS</a>]
00:40:23 ◼ ► because that's the default and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2423">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► philosophically speaking it's so clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:30 ◼ ► exception to the rule is all you wanna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2430">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► make you think finally all closed off or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► whatever sorry if I'm getting this job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:35 ◼ ► mrs. this job a default thing backwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2435">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► i haven't touched job in a really long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:40 ◼ ► time somebody named job and not 13 in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2440">TS</a>]
00:40:43 ◼ ► the chat says it is not final by default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2443">TS</a>]
00:40:45 ◼ ► and I think they would probably know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2445">TS</a>]
00:40:47 ◼ ► because their name is java nuts well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2447">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► yeah there's no way they could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:50 ◼ ► changed their name to java not know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2450">TS</a>]
00:40:52 ◼ ► anyway yeah i think my recollection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2452">TS</a>]
00:40:55 ◼ ► anyway so the proposal for swift is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2455">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► default final and this would make swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2458">TS</a>]
00:41:00 ◼ ► one of those languages is saying most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2460">TS</a>]
00:41:03 ◼ ► the time when you make glasses we expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2463">TS</a>]
00:41:05 ◼ ► them to be like done but sometimes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2465">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► might want someone to be able to extend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:09 ◼ ► your class and in that case we want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2469">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► to have to put a special keyword or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:14 ◼ ► whatever in there to say all other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2474">TS</a>]
00:41:16 ◼ ► people like I'm writing a base class and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2476">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► other people are supposed to subclass me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► and override these three methods do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► other thing and this is really again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:25 ◼ ► it's not really like a technical debate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2485">TS</a>]
00:41:26 ◼ ► because both things would still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2486">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► possible this is really a sort of battle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:29 ◼ ► for the heart and soul of what Swift is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2489">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► I i pulled a little quote here from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:36 ◼ ► Jordan row so i think is a someone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2496">TS</a>]
00:41:38 ◼ ► Apple although it's very difficult to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2498">TS</a>]
00:41:40 ◼ ► tell miss evolution list when people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2500">TS</a>]
00:41:42 ◼ ► speaking for themselves as users of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2502">TS</a>]
00:41:44 ◼ ► swiftor as contributors to the open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2504">TS</a>]
00:41:46 ◼ ► source product and when they're speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2506">TS</a>]
00:41:48 ◼ ► as Apple employees kind of implicitly no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2508">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► one has ever speaking for Apple because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► no one speaks for Apple except the team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:54 ◼ ► coco i guess but when there's an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2514">TS</a>]
00:41:56 ◼ ► com in their email address like just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2516">TS</a>]
00:41:58 ◼ ► don't notice that is their opinion carry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2518">TS</a>]
00:42:01 ◼ ► more weight i still haven't quite sorted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2521">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► out the sort of uneasy dance between at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► apple.com people like Apple employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► working on swift and VA the unwashed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► masses of the Swift community and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► that power balance works and most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► most part the back-and-forth has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► very polite and mostly so i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:22 ◼ ► most people realize look apples doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2542">TS</a>]
00:42:24 ◼ ► most of the work here and I made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2544">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► language Apple is going to do most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:27 ◼ ► the work here so we can have some input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2547">TS</a>]
00:42:29 ◼ ► the bottom line isn't heart you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2549">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► never develop Swift on your own or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► seven people are going to take swift and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:35 ◼ ► no probably not so all you can really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2555">TS</a>]
00:42:37 ◼ ► is give your opinion anyway a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2557">TS</a>]
00:42:40 ◼ ► what this default final thing comes down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2560">TS</a>]
00:42:42 ◼ ► to is the expectation by Objective C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2562">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► programmers that any sort of framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:47 ◼ ► anything in the framework that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2567">TS</a>]
00:42:49 ◼ ► not behaving correctly or that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2569">TS</a>]
00:42:51 ◼ ► making a subclass of that you can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2571">TS</a>]
00:42:53 ◼ ► override methods that you want to behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2573">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► in a slightly different way like you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2576">TS</a>]
00:42:58 ◼ ► even do a lot of interesting things with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2578">TS</a>]
00:43:01 ◼ ► UI kit and a half get by overriding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2581">TS</a>]
00:43:04 ◼ ► things in subclasses even things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2584">TS</a>]
00:43:07 ◼ ► you know overriding them in ways maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2587">TS</a>]
00:43:09 ◼ ► that you know to turn something into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2589">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► no operand make something happen a side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:13 ◼ ► effect when it didn't have before even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2593">TS</a>]
00:43:15 ◼ ► to do things like me objective-c runtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2595">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► reach in and do what I think they called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► methodists whistling where you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► reach in there and you screw with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► implementation of a base class not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:24 ◼ ► a subclass but you say you know you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2604">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► got a blonde method i would like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:27 ◼ ► I'll save a reference to what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2607">TS</a>]
00:43:29 ◼ ► original blonde method was but instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2609">TS</a>]
00:43:31 ◼ ► point your entry for the blog method to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2611">TS</a>]
00:43:32 ◼ ► my code that will do some other crap and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2612">TS</a>]
00:43:34 ◼ ► then call your code and that will modify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2614">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► everybody uses this grass not my sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:37 ◼ ► class but the base glass everywhere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2617">TS</a>]
00:43:39 ◼ ► those are the types of things you can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2619">TS</a>]
00:43:42 ◼ ► when classes are not entirely closed off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2622">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► when you have access to their guts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► can screw with them and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► subclassing above and beyond that so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► get back to what Jordan Rhodes said here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► he says supporting arbitrary code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:53 ◼ ► injection into someone else's framework [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2633">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► is a non goal for swift perhaps even an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► anti goal if you replace a method and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:59 ◼ ► someone else's class you don't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2639">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► know what semantics that relying on of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:02 ◼ ► course Apple code will have bugs in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2642">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► trying to patch over those bugs in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:04 ◼ ► own code is one obviously not an answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2644">TS</a>]
00:44:06 ◼ ► apple support but also too fraught with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2646">TS</a>]
00:44:09 ◼ ► peril and three likely to break in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2649">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► next OS release this is referring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:12 ◼ ► specifically to third-party developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2652">TS</a>]
00:44:14 ◼ ► saying when things are open and able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2654">TS</a>]
00:44:18 ◼ ► be screwed with sometimes that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2658">TS</a>]
00:44:19 ◼ ► only way we can ship hard a map because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2659">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► you've got a bug somewhere deep in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► framework and sometimes we can you sub [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:25 ◼ ► classes and enough for us to fix and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2665">TS</a>]
00:44:27 ◼ ► to the region to the guts and and mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2667">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► with a method just to make our appt not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:30 ◼ ► crash we can't wait for you to fix the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2670">TS</a>]
00:44:32 ◼ ► bug apple and a point 1 release because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2672">TS</a>]
00:44:34 ◼ ► that could be two months around we need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2674">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► to ship now and our application doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► run on the new OS that you're about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► release so we love to be able to go into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► quantitative methods are messing with in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:46 ◼ ► a certain way to work around some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2686">TS</a>]
00:44:48 ◼ ► strange bug or even it's just a simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2688">TS</a>]
00:44:50 ◼ ► like an animation bug or something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2690">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► crashes you're out but nobody else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► that third-party developers are used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► be having the freedom of the objective-c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► runtime to mess with these things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2698">TS</a>]
00:44:59 ◼ ► Swift really doesn't want that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2699">TS</a>]
00:45:02 ◼ ► thing to happen Swift would like it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2702">TS</a>]
00:45:04 ◼ ► in the future that the you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2704">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► that is not you know get it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:09 ◼ ► something I want to support they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2709">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► want you to be able to reach into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:11 ◼ ► anyone's framework apples or anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2711">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► else's and say oh you have a bug in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► there I'm gonna fix your mug for you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► I want your thing almost does what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:19 ◼ ► want but this is one behavior doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2719">TS</a>]
00:45:21 ◼ ► have I would like it that if you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2721">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► this one thing I actually didn't trigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:23 ◼ ► this other action so I'm just going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2723">TS</a>]
00:45:25 ◼ ► reach into your guts and screw with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2725">TS</a>]
00:45:26 ◼ ► and programmers to get used to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2726">TS</a>]
00:45:29 ◼ ► freedom it's kinda like a that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2729">TS</a>]
00:45:32 ◼ ► last resort but it's nice that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2732">TS</a>]
00:45:33 ◼ ► there but if you are a developer of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2733">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► frameworks you don't know everything to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:37 ◼ ► the guts your craft messing with it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2737">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► like you don't know what you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:40 ◼ ► what the semantics of my framework are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2740">TS</a>]
00:45:42 ◼ ► you don't know what invariance the ear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2742">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► violet your-your-your violated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:47 ◼ ► messing with that value I don't want you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2747">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► touching my this this member variable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► you're not even supposed to exist that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:51 ◼ ► might disappear and then s next OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2751">TS</a>]
00:45:53 ◼ ► version I don't want you messing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2753">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► ending and things that Michael because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► source code instead even if you did is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► my framework is supposed to be like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► black box to you just use the public API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► don't mess with my implementation and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► thought this this battle which is linked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► to the MJ sighs blog post a link to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:11 ◼ ► bunch of discussion and to the man with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2771">TS</a>]
00:46:14 ◼ ► itself without losing my list i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2774">TS</a>]
00:46:16 ◼ ► this is country was fascinating because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2776">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► it really does get at the heart of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:20 ◼ ► old guard vs the new guard and Swift and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2780">TS</a>]
00:46:23 ◼ ► I really want to hear both of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2783">TS</a>]
00:46:25 ◼ ► opinions as I because i don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2785">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► the c-sharp world is like but I do know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► what the objective c worlds like so and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:31 ◼ ► Marco if he's ever had to reach into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2791">TS</a>]
00:46:33 ◼ ► some objective c framework and screw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2793">TS</a>]
00:46:35 ◼ ► with it to get his application ship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2795">TS</a>]
00:46:37 ◼ ► Casey what he thinks of this entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2797">TS</a>]
00:46:41 ◼ ► framework authors vs the world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2801">TS</a>]
00:46:45 ◼ ► I mean I've never had to swizzle to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2805">TS</a>]
00:46:48 ◼ ► anything that to me is a is over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2808">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► line of like you really really shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:55 ◼ ► do that like that is more dangerous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2815">TS</a>]
00:47:00 ◼ ► intended to be subclassed in especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2820">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► in uikit I do that a lot and or not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:06 ◼ ► lot but I you know I've done that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2826">TS</a>]
00:47:08 ◼ ► know numerous times over the years i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2828">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► pretty sure overcast does it does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:11 ◼ ► little bit of that reinventing my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2831">TS</a>]
00:47:15 ◼ ► methods to override parent methods in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2835">TS</a>]
00:47:18 ◼ ► those sub classes that are intended to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2838">TS</a>]
00:47:19 ◼ ► be overwritten I've done that almost I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2839">TS</a>]
00:47:22 ◼ ► totally get it from the developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2842">TS</a>]
00:47:24 ◼ ► perspective of almost always there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2844">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► something you want to do an app that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:29 ◼ ► that there's no other way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2849">TS</a>]
00:47:31 ◼ ► besides sub classing up some UI kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2851">TS</a>]
00:47:34 ◼ ► thing and you know including my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2854">TS</a>]
00:47:36 ◼ ► child version of a method and and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2856">TS</a>]
00:47:38 ◼ ► hoping I call super at the right time if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2858">TS</a>]
00:47:40 ◼ ► I have to at all and just hope nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2860">TS</a>]
00:47:43 ◼ ► testing it on the one released that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2863">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► had access to and then shipping and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:46 ◼ ► hoping it doesn't break in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2866">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► that to me and and this is all like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:51 ◼ ► know your your subclassing but I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2871">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► do some subclassing public method so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► there is some documentation on them some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► public expectation of how they should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2878">TS</a>]
00:47:59 ◼ ► behave they're fairly stable so that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2879">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► never actually caused problems that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:07 ◼ ► and they're there really have been a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2887">TS</a>]
00:48:09 ◼ ► of these occasions where the there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2889">TS</a>]
00:48:11 ◼ ► limitation in the in the public API [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2891">TS</a>]
00:48:14 ◼ ► there's just no better way to do this or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2894">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► there is no lived with no other way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:19 ◼ ► do this at all and so you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2899">TS</a>]
00:48:22 ◼ ► this is one of those things where in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2902">TS</a>]
00:48:24 ◼ ► theory it would be nice if you never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2904">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► to do this and if they were if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:28 ◼ ► have all the technical advantages of not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2908">TS</a>]
00:48:31 ◼ ► doing this in a similar way that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2911">TS</a>]
00:48:33 ◼ ► theory it would be nice if every mac app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2913">TS</a>]
00:48:35 ◼ ► with sandboxed you know and then in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2915">TS</a>]
00:48:37 ◼ ► practice these these strict technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2917">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► limitations get in the way of reality in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:44 ◼ ► real-world use and they they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2924">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► require a level of of competence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:50 ◼ ► perfection and expansiveness from apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2930">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► and it's frameworks that in reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:55 ◼ ► probably won't come and so it's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2935">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► the key in theory it's great in three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:01 ◼ ► the having everything be final by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2941">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► default and having no overrides possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:05 ◼ ► that sounds great for for academic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2945">TS</a>]
00:49:08 ◼ ► theoretical safety but in practice I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2948">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► don't think modern developers with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► apples frameworks are really able to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► that way the reality that is just not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► apple is not that great and developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:25 ◼ ► aren't that flexible to to be required [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2965">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► avoidances and bug fixes that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► simple things like subclass overrides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► can provide yeah you know it's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:43 ◼ ► establishing the c-sharp unsurprisingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2983">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► takes the same approach to this is javas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► except where you say final i would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:49 ◼ ► sealed so III know it's seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2989">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► totally different languages where yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:54 ◼ ► right exactly that's why it is a java [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2994">TS</a>]
00:49:56 ◼ ► so yeah so it's sealed classes to me not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/2996">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► final but that everything else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:02 ◼ ► exactly the same and they are not sealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3002">TS</a>]
00:50:04 ◼ ► by default and in fact it is striking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3004">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► even within Microsoft frameworks to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► that's very peculiar that being said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:13 ◼ ► think I think the problem is that man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3013">TS</a>]
00:50:17 ◼ ► and John you alluded to this earlier so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3017">TS</a>]
00:50:22 ◼ ► subclassing and up over time even from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3022">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► my perspective of someone who doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:29 ◼ ► live in it seems like that starting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3029">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► go away between blocks between should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:34 ◼ ► something else until my tongue anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3034">TS</a>]
00:50:35 ◼ ► it's going away but a lot of legacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3035">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► subclassing and subclassing when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:45 ◼ ► author of that class hasn't deliberately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3045">TS</a>]
00:50:48 ◼ ► decided for that to be subclass is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3048">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► inherently dangerous and so much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► Swift seems to be about at least in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:59 ◼ ► preventing danger about having stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3059">TS</a>]
00:51:01 ◼ ► typing about doing more compile time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3061">TS</a>]
00:51:04 ◼ ► check and make sure you're not doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3064">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► something stupid so much about Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:08 ◼ ► seems to be about preventing danger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3068">TS</a>]
00:51:16 ◼ ► exceptions to subclass anything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3076">TS</a>]
00:51:18 ◼ ► inherently dangerous and so it seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3078">TS</a>]
00:51:28 ◼ ► unequivocally that classes should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3088">TS</a>]
00:51:30 ◼ ► final by default that being said one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3090">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► the things I've struggled with lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:36 ◼ ► and co-worker of mine that we we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3096">TS</a>]
00:51:38 ◼ ► worked together on a couple projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3098">TS</a>]
00:51:40 ◼ ► lately it's been a really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3100">TS</a>]
00:51:42 ◼ ► experience because he is extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3102">TS</a>]
00:51:45 ◼ ► academic or at least that's the way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3105">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► think of him he really likes to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:48 ◼ ► things by the book and he really likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3108">TS</a>]
00:51:50 ◼ ► to do things the rightist way possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3110">TS</a>]
00:51:52 ◼ ► by comparison of course i like to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3112">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► that too but by comparison I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► I'm considerably more pragmatic or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► perhaps loosey-goosey is maybe how he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:02 ◼ ► would describe it i would say pragmatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3122">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► and I come down I think in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:10 ◼ ► yes academically everything should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3130">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► final by default but realistically I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:15 ◼ ► don't see how that's really possible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3135">TS</a>]
00:52:17 ◼ ► what I think looking at it from my point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3137">TS</a>]
00:52:20 ◼ ► of view what's what's difficult about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3140">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► this is Apple has a tendency to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:24 ◼ ► assume they know better than everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3144">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► and so even if we had classes final by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:34 ◼ ► I think it's pretty clear that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3154">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► wouldn't allow classes to be extended in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► subclassed very often because they tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:41 ◼ ► to assume we know better than you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3161">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► principle that should be true that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:48 ◼ ► should know better than us in reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3168">TS</a>]
00:52:50 ◼ ► there's so many just minor bugs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3170">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► developers need to do in order to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:57 ◼ ► around small problems that I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3177">TS</a>]
00:52:59 ◼ ► that's reality and so in the end the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3179">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► academic in me says yes it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:06 ◼ ► final by default but I i come down with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3186">TS</a>]
00:53:09 ◼ ► Marco that this seems to be a little too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3189">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► broad and a little too aggressive a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:16 ◼ ► is there an objective-c like at keyword [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3196">TS</a>]
00:53:18 ◼ ► or something for doing the equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3198">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► I don't think it's possible so my take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:24 ◼ ► on this so far from looking at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3204">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► thread and thinking about it a lot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:27 ◼ ► that Swift seems to be like Casey point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3207">TS</a>]
00:53:30 ◼ ► out like that the whole thing with Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3210">TS</a>]
00:53:32 ◼ ► is it's trying to be trying to be less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3212">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► open let's open to interpretation less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► open to possibilities than objective c [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:44 ◼ ► initialized when will be initialized can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3224">TS</a>]
00:53:46 ◼ ► I do what can I guarantee about these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3226">TS</a>]
00:53:48 ◼ ► things do I at one point do I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3228">TS</a>]
00:53:50 ◼ ► half initialize object floating around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3230">TS</a>]
00:53:52 ◼ ► somewhere in my thing like all you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3232">TS</a>]
00:53:54 ◼ ► can I be sure that this method i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3234">TS</a>]
00:53:56 ◼ ► calling is going to exist in this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3236">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► how sure can i be sure I want to be some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:01 ◼ ► of that is for performance some of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3241">TS</a>]
00:54:03 ◼ ► for safety suffice for both but that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3243">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► definitely the the direction Swift is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► going it's trying to have its cake and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► eat it too is like how we do things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► are safer and we do things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:12 ◼ ► faster and we can do it with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3252">TS</a>]
00:54:15 ◼ ► with with less typing and less code must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3255">TS</a>]
00:54:17 ◼ ► cover be fewer bugs and so you know more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3257">TS</a>]
00:54:23 ◼ ► flexibility is kind of floating around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3263">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► in there rattling around alright more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► power more safety more speed is it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► flexible as it used to be well how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► you define flexibility and app kit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:33 ◼ ► the objective-c AP is have really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3273">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► have been built around the ideas of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► subclassing so much so that it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:40 ◼ ► like this is the expectation if not of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3280">TS</a>]
00:54:42 ◼ ► the framework offers then at least of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3282">TS</a>]
00:54:47 ◼ ► if you have some kind of problem uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3287">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► maybe you can solve with the subclass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:53 ◼ ► everything you need but you need to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3293">TS</a>]
00:54:55 ◼ ► a little extra functionality so subclass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3295">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► it and categories are like some class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3297">TS</a>]
00:54:59 ◼ ► too much trouble because it million [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3299">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► other places inside the framework that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:02 ◼ ► use any string and throw category and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3302">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► string now all your strength of about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:06 ◼ ► thirty method yay like a very sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3306">TS</a>]
00:55:10 ◼ ► open to like this is this is a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3310">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► world's toys and you can screw with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► world wise and and swift rise to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► something else which has extensions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:19 ◼ ► which are like categories like how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3319">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► want to throw a method on on every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:22 ◼ ► string or number in your thing go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3322">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► you want to make a new operator that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► works on all integers you can do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:28 ◼ ► like ya go nuts but it tries to do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3328">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► a safer way so given that safety is such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► I think it's natural it fits the Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:39 ◼ ► language to say final by default and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3339">TS</a>]
00:55:43 ◼ ► furthermore i think that the technique [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3343">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► of building user interface libraries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► where everything is assumed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► subclassed able by everybody leads to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:53 ◼ ► substantial amount of the sadness that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3353">TS</a>]
00:55:57 ◼ ► subclassing and eventually in rare cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3357">TS</a>]
00:55:58 ◼ ► this whistling to happen because not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3358">TS</a>]
00:56:03 ◼ ► developers are bad but because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3363">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► people making the framework aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► giving like when they're writing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:09 ◼ ► know all these classes that make up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3369">TS</a>]
00:56:10 ◼ ► frameworks that people use their not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3370">TS</a>]
00:56:13 ◼ ► thinking about designing for subclass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3373">TS</a>]
00:56:16 ◼ ► ability versus not there there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3376">TS</a>]
00:56:18 ◼ ► whatever mindset there and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3378">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► someone could subclass me so i should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► make this class of classical but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:24 ◼ ► also probably thinking what was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3384">TS</a>]
00:56:27 ◼ ► subclass this one or they're thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3387">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► boy I'm about the updated classic new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:33 ◼ ► major version of this OS what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3393">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► people who subclass the old one by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► breaking their crap by changing and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:40 ◼ ► like well I can't no I can't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3400">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► what they did in their sunglasses like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:43 ◼ ► had no real way of expressing the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3403">TS</a>]
00:56:45 ◼ ► that I didn't expect to vary versus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3405">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► things that I did and if they over this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► method and and did some weird thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:51 ◼ ► there is something you know timing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3411">TS</a>]
00:56:52 ◼ ► ordering thing or having to do with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3412">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► that I don't know what the subclasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:56 ◼ ► doing and that the thing I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3416">TS</a>]
00:57:00 ◼ ► will force people do is especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3420">TS</a>]
00:57:03 ◼ ► framework brothers think more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3423">TS</a>]
00:57:05 ◼ ► which parts of this framework should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3425">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► some classical like what what are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► extension points what are the things can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:12 ◼ ► that can vary versus the things that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3432">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► this is the thing about the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► default maybe it turns out that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:20 ◼ ► people who are writing uikit or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3440">TS</a>]
00:57:22 ◼ ► like the next swifty version you know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3442">TS</a>]
00:57:25 ◼ ► they're very core foundation Swift as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3445">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► they work their way up the stack maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:28 ◼ ► those people who are writing those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3448">TS</a>]
00:57:30 ◼ ► conclusion that all the same classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3450">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► that you can override in UI kit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► you'd also be able to you override and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:34 ◼ ► some swifty equivalent of the same type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3454">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► of UI framework like they would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► flexibility at all but at least they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► will then forced to think about it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:45 ◼ ► would imagine what they come up with is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3465">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► to to reduce the surface area of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:51 ◼ ► that you can mess with to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3471">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► expected to subclass and maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► documented better like how you how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:01 ◼ ► you're expected to subclass like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3481">TS</a>]
00:58:03 ◼ ► does a well-behaved subclass of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3483">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► sunglasses in a way that makes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:08 ◼ ► little break with the next step date of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3488">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► this thing or just making some classes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:11 ◼ ► not some classical all because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3491">TS</a>]
00:58:13 ◼ ► not supposed to mess with that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3493">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► really need to mess with it you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:15 ◼ ► instead extend it or use composition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3495">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► make your object have one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► instead of be one of these and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► seems like a more natural fit to Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:26 ◼ ► roommate was I think long-term forcing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3506">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► everybody involved in by changing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:31 ◼ ► default forcing everybody involved to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3511">TS</a>]
00:58:33 ◼ ► think more about subclassing instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3513">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► it just being the default like well of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► course I get some glasses everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:38 ◼ ► it's like it's my wrist it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3518">TS</a>]
00:58:40 ◼ ► know it's my right it's like the First [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3520">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► Amendment freedom of speech and freedom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:43 ◼ ► to subclass thinking more about it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3523">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► will cause everybody involved both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► framework colors and the programmers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:50 ◼ ► try to to try to reduce the sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3530">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► ante pattern that we see in the existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► frameworks where everything is up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► grabs and anytime something updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:01 ◼ ► nobody is really sure about what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3541">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► breaking because they have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:04 ◼ ► people subclass inhale so I understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3544">TS</a>]
00:59:08 ◼ ► all of that but the problem I come down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3548">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► on is I don't think Apple would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► good citizen of this mindset and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:17 ◼ ► whatever and this is what i was saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3557">TS</a>]
00:59:19 ◼ ► earlier that apple would assume no all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3559">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► we don't want you to subclass this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► there's no reasonable reason for you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► ever have to subclass this so we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:32 ◼ ► going to allow you to and I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3572">TS</a>]
00:59:34 ◼ ► that they would be pragmatic enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3574">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► realize well we don't see any particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► subclass this class but you never know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:48 ◼ ► and you shouldn't hurt anything if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3588">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► do so will just allow you to what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:53 ◼ ► is the opposite of final key word in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3593">TS</a>]
00:59:55 ◼ ► Swift you know I whatever it may be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3595">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► know so well market is not final and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3597">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► know so well market is not final and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► it and I just don't think they'll be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► good citizen of this environment I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:03 ◼ ► other framework authors might because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3603">TS</a>]
01:00:06 ◼ ► they seem to be less aggressive for lack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3606">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► of a better word but i don't i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► don't think apple will be good citizens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:15 ◼ ► no I mean modern apple is pretty is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3615">TS</a>]
01:00:18 ◼ ► restricted by default and in many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3618">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► towards developers and in most ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► has worked out well for them and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:26 ◼ ► that pattern of being restricted by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3626">TS</a>]
01:00:28 ◼ ► default is it something that is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3628">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► ingrained in them that I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► they're going to revert course in that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► mean objective-c is only as flexible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:40 ◼ ► loosey-goosey as it is because its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3640">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► ancient and it came from a time and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:46 ◼ ► cult and a culture and a company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3646">TS</a>]
01:00:48 ◼ ► was very different from today's apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3648">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► and where their dynamism was was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:54 ◼ ► advanced for the time now modern Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3654">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► does things like this we're like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► know Swift will be all locked down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:03 ◼ ► and rigid and and strict and final by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3663">TS</a>]
01:01:07 ◼ ► default that like I see them doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3667">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► mostly because it just fits in with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:13 ◼ ► the way they see the things they see now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3673">TS</a>]
01:01:15 ◼ ► is being correct and in many ways these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3675">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► things go in weight and programming you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:19 ◼ ► know like what we've programming is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3679">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► not a young practice anymore it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► going on for decades things go in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:27 ◼ ► out of fashion and you know and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3687">TS</a>]
01:01:29 ◼ ► are trends and there are fashions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3689">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► there are you know fads and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:33 ◼ ► and open versus closed loose loose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3693">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► typing vs strict typing dynamic vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:40 ◼ ► statically all these things go in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3700">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► fashion at different times often just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:46 ◼ ► previously I think they just go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3706">TS</a>]
01:01:48 ◼ ► cycles and we're in a cycle now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3708">TS</a>]
01:01:51 ◼ ► what is in fashion today is strictness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3711">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► and formalism and compile time check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:58 ◼ ► compile-time safety apple is right up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3718">TS</a>]
01:02:01 ◼ ► there with everyone else with with Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3721">TS</a>]
01:02:04 ◼ ► it in that regard and also in just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3724">TS</a>]
01:02:07 ◼ ► environment that apps running with being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3727">TS</a>]
01:02:09 ◼ ► sit with you know iOS being locked down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3729">TS</a>]
01:02:13 ◼ ► Mac App Store being sandbox only if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3733">TS</a>]
01:02:15 ◼ ► anybody's the mac app store whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3735">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► separate discussion having technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:19 ◼ ► blocks in front of calling private api [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3739">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► is an app store apps things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:24 ◼ ► like this is the direction Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3744">TS</a>]
01:02:26 ◼ ► going and has been for quite some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3746">TS</a>]
01:02:28 ◼ ► so I i agree that this is not i wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3748">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► expect today's Apple too if given a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:35 ◼ ► choice to redesign something from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3755">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► scratch as they have with Swift to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:39 ◼ ► the option to say you know what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3759">TS</a>]
01:02:41 ◼ ► going to let people so class our stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3761">TS</a>]
01:02:43 ◼ ► no they're looking for ways to lock it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3763">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► down and I think ultimately I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► what we've learned as a profession as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► programmers over the last few decades of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:54 ◼ ► having popularized oo programming i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3774">TS</a>]
01:02:59 ◼ ► subclassing really is messy and has tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3779">TS</a>]
01:03:03 ◼ ► of anti-patterns and tons of potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3783">TS</a>]
01:03:06 ◼ ► for weird unforeseen bugs and problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3786">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► and a lot of dysfunction that becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:11 ◼ ► possible without programming and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3791">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► course the strip everything but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► as a working programmer III don't look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:18 ◼ ► around look around my friends and I see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3798">TS</a>]
01:03:20 ◼ ► you know people who are all programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3800">TS</a>]
01:03:22 ◼ ► who are kind of evaluating like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3802">TS</a>]
01:03:24 ◼ ► who are smartly print Simmons I can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3804">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► know kind of evaluating like what how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:27 ◼ ► should be doing is moving forward and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3807">TS</a>]
01:03:29 ◼ ► subclassing in general is going out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3809">TS</a>]
01:03:32 ◼ ► fashion very quickly among programs not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3812">TS</a>]
01:03:34 ◼ ► just not just among apple and Swift but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3814">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► among all programs i know subclassing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:38 ◼ ► really out like it is it is going out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3818">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► is possibly out now so you can look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:45 ◼ ► Apple you can say as I have that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3825">TS</a>]
01:03:47 ◼ ► really don't see them choosing any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3827">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► differently on this if given the choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:50 ◼ ► i think i see them going final by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3830">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► just because it's apple and that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► they are these days but also I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► there's enough support from programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3837">TS</a>]
01:04:00 ◼ ► now for that you can't really say Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3840">TS</a>]
01:04:03 ◼ ► is exclusively at fault ignoring what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3843">TS</a>]
01:04:05 ◼ ► everyone's saying I think you can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3845">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► you can make a good case for there being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► enough support the apples kind of making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:10 ◼ ► the right call for the whole community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3850">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► yeah that's the thing so to look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► from the flip side you know we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:17 ◼ ► know the sorts of things that Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3857">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► to deal with you know we don't know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► that third-party developers do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:27 ◼ ► aren't as skilled as the Brent Simmons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3867">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► of the world you know the what makes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:31 ◼ ► brand Simmons really good at what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3871">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► does is that he knows when a hack is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► the right answer and when it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:38 ◼ ► typically since it's being called a hack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3878">TS</a>]
01:04:41 ◼ ► the answer is not often but we don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3881">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► the sorts of BS they have to put up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► by the really shoddy developers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:47 ◼ ► that aren't really thinking things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3887">TS</a>]
01:04:49 ◼ ► through properly and so I think if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3889">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► were an apple shoes it's easy to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:56 ◼ ► lulled into trying to lock things down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3896">TS</a>]
01:04:59 ◼ ► because you genuinely do feel like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3899">TS</a>]
01:05:02 ◼ ► know better and when you're looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3902">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► all these really disgusting hacks you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:07 ◼ ► it's not just a feeling of knowing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3907">TS</a>]
01:05:08 ◼ ► better you do know better but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3908">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► problem is it's just it's the bazooka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:13 ◼ ► approach to something that that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3913">TS</a>]
01:05:16 ◼ ► you need a scalpel for and I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3916">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► think what makes this discussion so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:24 ◼ ► engineering sorry dr. drank so much is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3924">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► that it's these sorts of difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:30 ◼ ► decisions that make our job so much fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3930">TS</a>]
01:05:33 ◼ ► you know 22 way these options and figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3933">TS</a>]
01:05:36 ◼ ► out what is the right answer but also I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3936">TS</a>]
01:05:38 ◼ ► think you can you can look at like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3938">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► modern-day Apple as you know in be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:42 ◼ ► the position of authority if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3942">TS</a>]
01:05:44 ◼ ► things like the appstore restrictions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3944">TS</a>]
01:05:46 ◼ ► like private api restrictions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3946">TS</a>]
01:05:49 ◼ ► especially in the mac i think if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3949">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► presented with the option of do you let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:55 ◼ ► developers ship something that needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3955">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► mentioned like this is you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► might be able to say well if you're if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:04 ◼ ► you're allowed to break the rules but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3964">TS</a>]
01:06:05 ◼ ► that isn't first of all that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3965">TS</a>]
01:06:07 ◼ ► usually true and you still generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3967">TS</a>]
01:06:09 ◼ ► shouldn't because a it's still a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3969">TS</a>]
01:06:12 ◼ ► idea and be you probably aren't smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3972">TS</a>]
01:06:14 ◼ ► enough but even even for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3974">TS</a>]
01:06:19 ◼ ► shouldn't be doing that because everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3979">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► is done at some point while programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:23 ◼ ► and you know that the idiot who wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3983">TS</a>]
01:06:27 ◼ ► that was probably just your past self [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3987">TS</a>]
01:06:29 ◼ ► but anyway if you look at like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3989">TS</a>]
01:06:33 ◼ ► problems of shipping shipping things the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3993">TS</a>]
01:06:35 ◼ ► problems of like you know in the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3995">TS</a>]
01:06:36 ◼ ► world especially like so much of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3996">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► business these days as consultant and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► you know like from being insulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:42 ◼ ► shipping is often of utmost priority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4002">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► above things like doing things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:49 ◼ ► exactly the best architectural way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4009">TS</a>]
01:06:51 ◼ ► best practices you know you just gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4011">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► ship stuff and and that's it but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► isn't all that is an apples problem an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:57 ◼ ► apple doesn't necessarily play by those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4017">TS</a>]
01:06:59 ◼ ► rules with the way it treats other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4019">TS</a>]
01:07:01 ◼ ► developers if Apple's given the choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4021">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► functional stuff more quickly at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:09 ◼ ► expense of of security or restrictions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4029">TS</a>]
01:07:13 ◼ ► or calling private api's apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4033">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► choose to let them ship things apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► says you know what that's not our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:19 ◼ ► problem we would rather have you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4039">TS</a>]
01:07:21 ◼ ► ship a product at all or ship a lesser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4041">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► product or ship a later product then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:27 ◼ ► break any of these rules and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4047">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► better example of that than everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:31 ◼ ► that's ever happened the mac app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4051">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► like Apple would rather lose apps to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:35 ◼ ► that to the app stores and to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4055">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► platforms they would rather lose apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:38 ◼ ► completely or have apps be reduced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4058">TS</a>]
01:07:42 ◼ ► functionality and lose features over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4062">TS</a>]
01:07:44 ◼ ► time warden or never have certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4064">TS</a>]
01:07:46 ◼ ► features they would rather not allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4066">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► those things or have a laugh fewer apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:50 ◼ ► or have later or worse apps then have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4070">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► permissive environment sure everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► do in the mac app store is that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4077">TS</a>]
01:07:58 ◼ ► forethought that because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4078">TS</a>]
01:08:00 ◼ ► unforeseen consequences unforeseen by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4080">TS</a>]
01:08:02 ◼ ► Apple as well is that they have a goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4082">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► in mind and realize there's be difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► to get from there from here so i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:07 ◼ ► that's often side of a guy getting back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4087">TS</a>]
01:08:10 ◼ ► to have something both you said earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4090">TS</a>]
01:08:11 ◼ ► about what will apple do like that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4091">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► know we can trust Apple this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:15 ◼ ► they're going to lock everything down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4095">TS</a>]
01:08:16 ◼ ► because that's the kind of company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4096">TS</a>]
01:08:19 ◼ ► they are i think it's appropriate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4099">TS</a>]
01:08:23 ◼ ► Apple to be more conservative because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4103">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► they're not just a company that writes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:27 ◼ ► bunch of frameworks people use they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4107">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► the platform they are the foundation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:31 ◼ ► there the thing upon which everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4111">TS</a>]
01:08:35 ◼ ► conservative than you are with your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4115">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► classes and stuff that's that's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:40 ◼ ► role like so not that Swift is just made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4120">TS</a>]
01:08:43 ◼ ► for them but in any language if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4123">TS</a>]
01:08:47 ◼ ► are tools to be conservative and to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4127">TS</a>]
01:08:52 ◼ ► reduce the public API try to reduce the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4132">TS</a>]
01:08:54 ◼ ► number of things that other developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4134">TS</a>]
01:08:56 ◼ ► calling to like they do with like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4136">TS</a>]
01:08:57 ◼ ► stopping private api in their app stores [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4137">TS</a>]
01:08:59 ◼ ► and that's all part of the same process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4139">TS</a>]
01:09:02 ◼ ► that's because they are there underneath [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4142">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► responsibility to be more solid and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:11 ◼ ► resilient to people doing crazy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4151">TS</a>]
01:09:12 ◼ ► on top of them then the people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4152">TS</a>]
01:09:15 ◼ ► building on top and your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4155">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► code be all loosey-goosey all you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► you can get away with that because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► people building layers below you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► get to be a loosey goosey and travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:25 ◼ ► sample does that and they follow through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4165">TS</a>]
01:09:27 ◼ ► on what you think is their instinct to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4167">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► close stuff up which i'm not entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:29 ◼ ► sure that they would because again will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4169">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► be the same people who are advocating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:31 ◼ ► uikit during the thing and you like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4171">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► isn't any more clothes than after they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► just change the change the vectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:38 ◼ ► change the they knew which things would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4178">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► more be more likely to vary which is why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4179">TS</a>]
01:09:41 ◼ ► you like it seems like so much nicer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4181">TS</a>]
01:09:42 ◼ ► deal with a nap because they learned out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4182">TS</a>]
01:09:44 ◼ ► when people use this kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4184">TS</a>]
01:09:45 ◼ ► mostly they want a very x y&z and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4185">TS</a>]
01:09:48 ◼ ► we'll build our glasses to make those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4188">TS</a>]
01:09:49 ◼ ► things very well anyway if i was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4189">TS</a>]
01:09:51 ◼ ► close things off in the the new swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4191">TS</a>]
01:09:54 ◼ ► frameworks or whatever that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4194">TS</a>]
01:09:58 ◼ ► basically force people like developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4198">TS</a>]
01:09:59 ◼ ► like well I can't work around this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4199">TS</a>]
01:10:00 ◼ ► anymore because I can't even subclasses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4200">TS</a>]
01:10:02 ◼ ► thing over i do you think is your stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4202">TS</a>]
01:10:03 ◼ ► framework is all closed off and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4203">TS</a>]
01:10:05 ◼ ► have your source code it's a binary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4205">TS</a>]
01:10:06 ◼ ► framework so the only thing left for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4206">TS</a>]
01:10:08 ◼ ► is to file bugs and what that will mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4208">TS</a>]
01:10:10 ◼ ► is that many more developers are forced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4210">TS</a>]
01:10:13 ◼ ► essentially to like they did they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4213">TS</a>]
01:10:15 ◼ ► no workaround they have to tell Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4215">TS</a>]
01:10:17 ◼ ► hey I can't make my button now you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4217">TS</a>]
01:10:20 ◼ ► tent color and this button blue in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4220">TS</a>]
01:10:22 ◼ ► scenario because there's you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4222">TS</a>]
01:10:24 ◼ ► because of the way the framework works i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4224">TS</a>]
01:10:26 ◼ ► have no access to that little knob to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4226">TS</a>]
01:10:28 ◼ ► turn and I can't subclass it and do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4228">TS</a>]
01:10:31 ◼ ► so please like you know but I'll file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4231">TS</a>]
01:10:34 ◼ ► the bug and and I can't shut my app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4234">TS</a>]
01:10:36 ◼ ► you're preventing your ship map is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4236">TS</a>]
01:10:37 ◼ ► is no workaround and apple in response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4237">TS</a>]
01:10:40 ◼ ► to this has added pressure to consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4240">TS</a>]
01:10:43 ◼ ► these requests because they can't say oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4243">TS</a>]
01:10:44 ◼ ► yeah no that's a bug but for now just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4244">TS</a>]
01:10:46 ◼ ► you can just work around about running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4246">TS</a>]
01:10:48 ◼ ► this method like there is no workaround [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4248">TS</a>]
01:10:49 ◼ ► both parties no Jesus no workaround we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4249">TS</a>]
01:10:52 ◼ ► didn't think about this this way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4252">TS</a>]
01:10:54 ◼ ► people use the frameworks that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4254">TS</a>]
01:10:56 ◼ ► can't get that they can change this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4256">TS</a>]
01:10:57 ◼ ► thing that seems i'm only reasonable to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4257">TS</a>]
01:10:59 ◼ ► change that's going to force Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4259">TS</a>]
01:11:01 ◼ ► reconsider maybe if we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4261">TS</a>]
01:11:05 ◼ ► this can we have can we provide a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4265">TS</a>]
01:11:07 ◼ ► supportive way to do this and this much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4267">TS</a>]
01:11:09 ◼ ► more motivation to provide a supportive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4269">TS</a>]
01:11:11 ◼ ► way to do this if it's really common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4271">TS</a>]
01:11:13 ◼ ► thing that tons of developers and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4273">TS</a>]
01:11:16 ◼ ► workaround because of what Apple did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4276">TS</a>]
01:11:17 ◼ ► workaround is a no just open that class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4277">TS</a>]
01:11:19 ◼ ► up the work you know this is the fixes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4279">TS</a>]
01:11:21 ◼ ► but we don't want to just open the class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4281">TS</a>]
01:11:22 ◼ ► up because we know what kind of problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4282">TS</a>]
01:11:24 ◼ ► that leads to it x everyone's hands in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4284">TS</a>]
01:11:26 ◼ ► the future and makes it so than SOS the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4286">TS</a>]
01:11:28 ◼ ► upgrade could break your app and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4288">TS</a>]
01:11:29 ◼ ► but if you really want to change this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4289">TS</a>]
01:11:32 ◼ ► thing we should provide a supportive way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4292">TS</a>]
01:11:36 ◼ ► workaround so you would hope like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4296">TS</a>]
01:11:38 ◼ ► you're hoping like this is like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4298">TS</a>]
01:11:40 ◼ ► best loss that you're hoping that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4300">TS</a>]
01:11:41 ◼ ► motivates everyone involved to behave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4301">TS</a>]
01:11:43 ◼ ► better like this is this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4303">TS</a>]
01:11:45 ◼ ► pressing in on a system and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4305">TS</a>]
01:11:46 ◼ ► hoping what it causes to happen is for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4306">TS</a>]
01:11:48 ◼ ► the system to shape itself around this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4308">TS</a>]
01:11:50 ◼ ► pressure in this this force to become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4310">TS</a>]
01:11:52 ◼ ► better thing than making everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4312">TS</a>]
01:11:54 ◼ ► become better it's difficult to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4314">TS</a>]
01:11:56 ◼ ► people would be easier to just do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4316">TS</a>]
01:11:57 ◼ ► whatever the hell they want but then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4317">TS</a>]
01:11:58 ◼ ► just have to both chaos right and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4318">TS</a>]
01:12:01 ◼ ► general that the larger issue of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4321">TS</a>]
01:12:02 ◼ ► whole thing about Swift and frameworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4322">TS</a>]
01:12:04 ◼ ► and apple the foundation and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4324">TS</a>]
01:12:06 ◼ ► is no less code and increased safety is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4326">TS</a>]
01:12:10 ◼ ► what you need when you want to create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4330">TS</a>]
01:12:11 ◼ ► large complicated systems or systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4331">TS</a>]
01:12:13 ◼ ► keep getting better and keep getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4333">TS</a>]
01:12:14 ◼ ► more complicated and one of the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4334">TS</a>]
01:12:16 ◼ ► tools we have to fight against that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4336">TS</a>]
01:12:17 ◼ ► reduce the number of things that can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4337">TS</a>]
01:12:20 ◼ ► wrong reduce the number of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4340">TS</a>]
01:12:21 ◼ ► you can do make more things deliberate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4341">TS</a>]
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01:12:30 ◼ ► the spirit of swift and it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4350">TS</a>]
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01:19:13 ◼ ► and they're important but Andres is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► really interesting and it's not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► have to use all these languages the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► general-purpose language that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:21 ◼ ► use for anything but they all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4761">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► communities around them they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► fairly open and you could in theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► right anything you want to go Marco even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:27 ◼ ► wrote a thing for our guests and go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4767">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► rescue could use to read any time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:30 ◼ ► same thing with Swift right but splits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4770">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► coming on the scene and being someone to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► the two languages and having the full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► potentially do one of two things either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► it could suck people away from those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► interested in go and rest but Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:45 ◼ ► seems very similar and just seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4785">TS</a>]
01:19:48 ◼ ► as a better ide and I keep hearing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4788">TS</a>]
01:19:50 ◼ ► it and whatever or I like it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4790">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► something like that just because apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► behind it or gonna have the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► effect where it's like I wasn't going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► languages but now the Swift is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► seems like all bets are off on what used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► C C++ or C sharp or Java that's all then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:06 ◼ ► boston now it's time for me to try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4806">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► also it's a new languages so maybe go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:09 ◼ ► and rest receive a huge influx of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4809">TS</a>]
01:20:11 ◼ ► activity and pull requests and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4811">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► contributing to their communities as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:15 ◼ ► well as well check back in the year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4815">TS</a>]
01:20:17 ◼ ► see you know I don't know you'd measures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4817">TS</a>]
01:20:18 ◼ ► may be like go to github or whatever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4818">TS</a>]
01:20:20 ◼ ► see like what happened to the go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4820">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► rest communities in you know is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:24 ◼ ► anyway we can measure that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4824">TS</a>]
01:20:28 ◼ ► communities to swell and importance in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4828">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► those languages to mature and become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:31 ◼ ► more popular or was the effect to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4831">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► of pull people away from those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:35 ◼ ► communities and have them sort of with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4835">TS</a>]
01:20:37 ◼ ► her more now that the the giant Sun that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4837">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► is Swift is shining down from WWDC every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► alright alright thanks a lot 43 sponsors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:47 ◼ ► audible.com igloo and warby parker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4847">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:58 ◼ ► mean to be in because it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4858">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► John research Marco and Casey would let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:09 ◼ ► him because it was accidental was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4869">TS</a>]
01:21:18 ◼ ► DP die and if twitter follow them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4878">TS</a>]
01:21:26 ◼ ► yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4886">TS</a>]
01:21:31 ◼ ► co-pay rm20 Marco Arment our CC Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4891">TS</a>]
01:21:52 ◼ ► name itself this about Casey put in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4912">TS</a>]
01:21:56 ◼ ► there rip webobjects i think i might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4916">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► have rip you mean r.i.p yes as in what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:03 ◼ ► yeah I don't know products is a mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4923">TS</a>]
01:22:08 ◼ ► I mean I don't know anything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4928">TS</a>]
01:22:10 ◼ ► webobjects but I do know that it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4930">TS</a>]
01:22:16 ◼ ► shortcomings of apples web services and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4936">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► I i would guess it's probably not all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:21 ◼ ► about what my doctor i'm guessing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4941">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► it's much more about like the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:25 ◼ ► rest of the stack and that's that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4945">TS</a>]
01:22:28 ◼ ► probably a small part of the problem if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4948">TS</a>]
01:22:30 ◼ ► it's even still part of the problem at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4950">TS</a>]
01:22:32 ◼ ► it is probably connected to it but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4952">TS</a>]
01:22:34 ◼ ► like the consequences what does it mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4954">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► what what are the consequences that spin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► out from the fact that using objects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► well then we have to return this plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:41 ◼ ► well we have to run this OS and well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4961">TS</a>]
01:22:43 ◼ ► way with allergy applications are gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4963">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► have to factor in this way you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:46 ◼ ► really split this up from that and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4966">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► can't this isn't horizontally scalable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:49 ◼ ► and these are these are tightly coupled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4969">TS</a>]
01:22:51 ◼ ► instead of loosely coupled we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4971">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► replace this with the better version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:55 ◼ ► consequences that ripple outwards from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4975">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► robotics what object itself i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► think it's not a big deal but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:02 ◼ ► know I i just wonder with the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4982">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► like that just seems to be like the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► person left in the world using it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:06 ◼ ► Apple which is fine but at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4986">TS</a>]
01:23:08 ◼ ► point like every company even if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4988">TS</a>]
01:23:11 ◼ ► google has to be like it's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4991">TS</a>]
01:23:13 ◼ ► thing we do it is we should probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4993">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► make it open and try to get other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:16 ◼ ► to use it was just us using it will kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4996">TS</a>]
01:23:18 ◼ ► of do a crappy job like it's better to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/4998">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► get everybody else on board like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► swiftor go or resting and then to try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:25 ◼ ► say we just use internally we we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5005">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► support our own weird web framework and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► you wanna talk about the Chevy bolt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► that's antiques get in the chat the what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:42 ◼ ► yeah its battery only it claimed up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5022">TS</a>]
01:23:47 ◼ ► substantial thirty thousand dollars it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5027">TS</a>]
01:23:50 ◼ ► not attractive looks like the i3 yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5030">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► i saw a 93 in person again in the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:55 ◼ ► and it's one of those things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5035">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► whenever a new model of a new like crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:00 ◼ ► design comes out at first it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5040">TS</a>]
01:24:02 ◼ ► wacky and crazy and ugly and then over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5042">TS</a>]
01:24:04 ◼ ► time you can get you soon as you see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5044">TS</a>]
01:24:06 ◼ ► more and it gets you know less new the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5046">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► i3 has not followed that progression for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:10 ◼ ► me to be high three every time I see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5050">TS</a>]
01:24:12 ◼ ► is worse than the last time I said but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5052">TS</a>]
01:24:15 ◼ ► it's so bad why didn't i didn't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5055">TS</a>]
01:24:20 ◼ ► I've thought about it in the past like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5060">TS</a>]
01:24:22 ◼ ► I'm not in the market for a car but wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5062">TS</a>]
01:24:24 ◼ ► aren't you know kind of for Aaron well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5064">TS</a>]
01:24:27 ◼ ► for Aaron yeah but not for me but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5067">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► been thinking and this would not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:31 ◼ ► forever and it would be for me i rarely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5071">TS</a>]
01:24:34 ◼ ► drive more than a hundred miles in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5074">TS</a>]
01:24:37 ◼ ► week maybe like my commute up until i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5077">TS</a>]
01:24:40 ◼ ► went and did staff fog which is markers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5080">TS</a>]
01:24:42 ◼ ► favorite thing my commute was like five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5082">TS</a>]
01:24:43 ◼ ► minutes and so I would drive maybe 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5083">TS</a>]
01:24:50 ◼ ► yeah pretty much which by the way i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5090">TS</a>]
01:24:52 ◼ ► realized tonight that the hoverboards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5092">TS</a>]
01:24:54 ◼ ► everyone we're talking about is like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5094">TS</a>]
01:24:55 ◼ ► segway without the handlebars I'd I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5095">TS</a>]
01:24:57 ◼ ► no idea what everyone was talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5097">TS</a>]
01:24:59 ◼ ► and basically yeah it's a lot simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5099">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► and less sophisticated but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:04 ◼ ► yeah I didn't realize that was a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5104">TS</a>]
01:25:06 ◼ ► but anyway um I there's no reason for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5106">TS</a>]
01:25:10 ◼ ► not to have an electric car because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5110">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► Drive very little it would absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:15 ◼ ► there's no reason for me not to have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5115">TS</a>]
01:25:17 ◼ ► except that every single electric car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5117">TS</a>]
01:25:20 ◼ ► I've ever seen other than the Tesla is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5120">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► either hideous slow or both and I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► so good at Tesla I need to find I need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► to work like three jobs so respond to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:35 ◼ ► this week by former you exactly need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5135">TS</a>]
01:25:38 ◼ ► three more jobs or you guys need to not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5138">TS</a>]
01:25:42 ◼ ► take sponsorship money for the next like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5142">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► six months and then maybe we can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:46 ◼ ► about it I don't know but uh this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5146">TS</a>]
01:25:48 ◼ ► interesting i guess the boat looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5148">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► a American press is what it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:53 ◼ ► yeah kinda like it's small it's a small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5153">TS</a>]
01:25:56 ◼ ► populace car is not like the model s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5156">TS</a>]
01:26:01 ◼ ► full-sized regular shape car that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5161">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► happens to be electric the sum was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► another 1i forgot the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:08 ◼ ► company was some kind of basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5168">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► taking Tesla's and putting a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► body on oh yeah I'm for the Faraday or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► is that what that was about yeah that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► it's like the Tesla like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:19 ◼ ► the thing you see in the test the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5179">TS</a>]
01:26:20 ◼ ► in the mall just like the battery and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5180">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► the drivetrain and the wheels and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:24 ◼ ► build a different car on top of it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5184">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► presumably more money and it seems silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► again it was a it was like the FF 0 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:31 ◼ ► something like that which which made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5191">TS</a>]
01:26:33 ◼ ► happy because it's a play on the FC 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5193">TS</a>]
01:26:35 ◼ ► super nintendo game which I love if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5195">TS</a>]
01:26:39 ◼ ► speaking of which how about that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5199">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► mechanical watchmaker I did you see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:48 ◼ ► black no no neighs loop i see i saw in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5208">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► the monomer site that looks interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:55 ◼ ► there's no reason why Apple couldn't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5215">TS</a>]
01:26:57 ◼ ► that like off the top of my head unless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5217">TS</a>]
01:26:58 ◼ ► there's some kind of manufacturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5218">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► so right now you stole my mechanical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:03 ◼ ► watch thing but the the the black the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5223">TS</a>]
01:27:06 ◼ ► space black link bracelet that I got I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5226">TS</a>]
01:27:10 ◼ ► don't know six months ago now for my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5230">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► Apple watch that that black dlc coding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► is the real deal like it is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:17 ◼ ► flawless and any kind of stainless steel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5237">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► band or the same steel watch itself get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:22 ◼ ► scratched to hell in like a second the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5242">TS</a>]
01:27:24 ◼ ► black the space black with the dlc on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5244">TS</a>]
01:27:27 ◼ ► is just literally like it mine has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5247">TS</a>]
01:27:31 ◼ ► scratches on it at all like it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5251">TS</a>]
01:27:33 ◼ ► like it is crazy how good that coding is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5253">TS</a>]
01:27:36 ◼ ► so I I welcome Apple adding more options [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5256">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► that have dlc because that is it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► it is so good this mechanical Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► watches is not good i don't understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► what their yeah i just looked at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5269">TS</a>]
01:27:51 ◼ ► moment you started talking it that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5271">TS</a>]
01:27:53 ◼ ► why why Apple had to make it like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5273">TS</a>]
01:27:56 ◼ ► you don't it went to me like this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5276">TS</a>]
01:27:59 ◼ ► like it the world of mechanical watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5279">TS</a>]
01:28:01 ◼ ► if you if you look at mechanical watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5281">TS</a>]
01:28:03 ◼ ► and the appeal they have and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5283">TS</a>]
01:28:07 ◼ ► mechanical watch people have about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5287">TS</a>]
01:28:09 ◼ ► Apple watch one of the big complaint is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5289">TS</a>]
01:28:11 ◼ ► that the Apple watchers isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5291">TS</a>]
01:28:13 ◼ ► attractive watch so why would you make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5293">TS</a>]
01:28:16 ◼ ► one that looks just like it like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5296">TS</a>]
01:28:20 ◼ ► first of all apples gonna sue the crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5300">TS</a>]
01:28:24 ◼ ► second of all what like why third of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5304">TS</a>]
01:28:32 ◼ ► I didn't make enough money to pay for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5312">TS</a>]
01:28:35 ◼ ► lawyer who's gonna buy that like who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5315">TS</a>]
01:28:38 ◼ ► gonna who's gonna spend 25 grand on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5318">TS</a>]
01:28:41 ◼ ► yeah I don't know it just seems silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5321">TS</a>]
01:28:44 ◼ ► but I mean you like it's like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5324">TS</a>]
01:28:47 ◼ ► watchmakers like what what's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5327">TS</a>]
01:28:49 ◼ ► going on what's exciting in the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5329">TS</a>]
01:28:50 ◼ ► world this entire year we heard about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5330">TS</a>]
01:28:52 ◼ ► this tuple Apple watch how can we get in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5332">TS</a>]
01:28:54 ◼ ► on that excitement something how about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5334">TS</a>]
01:28:57 ◼ ► we make you like it we can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5337">TS</a>]
01:28:59 ◼ ► SmartWatch like we don't know how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5339">TS</a>]
01:29:00 ◼ ► that how to make a regular water's make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5340">TS</a>]
01:29:02 ◼ ► it look like the Apple watch right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5342">TS</a>]
01:29:05 ◼ ► similar like the tag heuer I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5345">TS</a>]
01:29:09 ◼ ► how to pronounce i'm suing its tag or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5349">TS</a>]
01:29:11 ◼ ► toddler they're smart watch that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5351">TS</a>]
01:29:16 ◼ ► it's like the it looks just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5356">TS</a>]
01:29:20 ◼ ► regular like you know round mechanical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5360">TS</a>]
01:29:22 ◼ ► watch face but it is just a black screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5362">TS</a>]
01:29:26 ◼ ► like the Apple watch most of the time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5366">TS</a>]
01:29:28 ◼ ► seems like and then like you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5368">TS</a>]
01:29:29 ◼ ► turns on and it has a face that looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5369">TS</a>]
01:29:31 ◼ ► like a tag heuer watch you know but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5371">TS</a>]
01:29:34 ◼ ► to me again like that kind of ruins the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5374">TS</a>]
01:29:36 ◼ ► point if you're gonna have a watch with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5376">TS</a>]
01:29:37 ◼ ► a screen black all the time and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5377">TS</a>]
01:29:38 ◼ ► eventually look at it and glanced at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5378">TS</a>]
01:29:40 ◼ ► and there's like a computer you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5380">TS</a>]
01:29:41 ◼ ► manage then I think the apple watch is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5381">TS</a>]
01:29:43 ◼ ► the one to get because if you want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5383">TS</a>]
01:29:46 ◼ ► computer watch that seems like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5386">TS</a>]
01:29:49 ◼ ► right like I I don't get it like now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5389">TS</a>]
01:29:51 ◼ ► that I've seen this world just a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5391">TS</a>]
01:29:53 ◼ ► I totally see the value of a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5393">TS</a>]
01:29:56 ◼ ► mechanical watch and I totally see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5396">TS</a>]
01:29:58 ◼ ► value of a computer watch and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5398">TS</a>]
01:30:00 ◼ ► think those things should be crossed i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5400">TS</a>]
01:30:02 ◼ ► think crossing them destroys the value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5402">TS</a>]
01:30:04 ◼ ► of both really this is gonna get now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5404">TS</a>]
01:30:08 ◼ ► well we've already gotten by even I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5408">TS</a>]
01:30:11 ◼ ► gotten a lot of stuff from the watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5411">TS</a>]
01:30:14 ◼ ► people you know I've been thinking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5414">TS</a>]
01:30:17 ◼ ► the watch world and speaking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5417">TS</a>]
01:30:19 ◼ ► everything I've been impressed so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5419">TS</a>]
01:30:22 ◼ ► still other wait another year but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5422">TS</a>]
01:30:23 ◼ ► impressed with how Fitbit has reacted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5423">TS</a>]
01:30:28 ◼ ► reacting by basically making newer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5428">TS</a>]
01:30:33 ◼ ► more capable series of things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5433">TS</a>]
01:30:35 ◼ ► mostly featureless bands with very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5435">TS</a>]
01:30:37 ◼ ► simple screens incorporated into them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5437">TS</a>]
01:30:40 ◼ ► subtle ways i saw a picture of the press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5440">TS</a>]
01:30:42 ◼ ► been wearing a lot of people have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5442">TS</a>]
01:30:43 ◼ ► newer fits like they found kind of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5443">TS</a>]
01:30:46 ◼ ► the same way that the pebble didn't her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5446">TS</a>]
01:30:48 ◼ ► maybe you know people had some good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5448">TS</a>]
01:30:50 ◼ ► ideas to be like trying to find like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5450">TS</a>]
01:30:52 ◼ ► am i different than the apple watch but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5452">TS</a>]
01:30:54 ◼ ► still a valuable product like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5454">TS</a>]
01:30:55 ◼ ► the road that is still available to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5455">TS</a>]
01:30:57 ◼ ► to go forward and fit seems to it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5457">TS</a>]
01:31:00 ◼ ► I mean who knows there could be like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5460">TS</a>]
01:31:01 ◼ ► flip remember the flip camera back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5461">TS</a>]
01:31:03 ◼ ► those years before before the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5463">TS</a>]
01:31:06 ◼ ► oh yeah the flip camera had a Grilli [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5466">TS</a>]
01:31:07 ◼ ► great business for like three years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5467">TS</a>]
01:31:09 ◼ ► yeah right and so it is still remains to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5469">TS</a>]
01:31:11 ◼ ► be seen if it will find a way like out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5471">TS</a>]
01:31:13 ◼ ► of the woods but so far like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5473">TS</a>]
01:31:15 ◼ ► reaction to the post Apple watch time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5475">TS</a>]
01:31:18 ◼ ► no they found it its it's the Fitbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5478">TS</a>]
01:31:20 ◼ ► blaze is a real thing yeah look at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5480">TS</a>]
01:31:23 ◼ ► that's that's how they're getting away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5483">TS</a>]
01:31:24 ◼ ► from the Apple watch that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5484">TS</a>]
01:31:29 ◼ ► quarters punched out and that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5489">TS</a>]
01:31:31 ◼ ► way i would say you would go towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5491">TS</a>]
01:31:33 ◼ ► about talking about the the other food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5493">TS</a>]
01:31:35 ◼ ► products the white things activity steal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5495">TS</a>]
01:31:41 ◼ ► this is like a better competitor at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5501">TS</a>]
01:31:42 ◼ ► least I haven't seen one in real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5502">TS</a>]
01:31:44 ◼ ► but on their website looks really nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5504">TS</a>]
01:31:45 ◼ ► like this is the kind of thing like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5505">TS</a>]
01:31:48 ◼ ► can see buying that valuing that rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5508">TS</a>]
01:31:52 ◼ ► than Apple watch before i could see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5512">TS</a>]
01:31:54 ◼ ► you know that the the big Fitbit corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5514">TS</a>]
01:31:59 ◼ ► it's a smart approaches it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5519">TS</a>]
01:32:02 ◼ ► mostly a mechanical watch basically are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5522">TS</a>]
01:32:04 ◼ ► many units of course probably know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5524">TS</a>]
01:32:05 ◼ ► like it's mostly a regular watch with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5525">TS</a>]
01:32:07 ◼ ► some very slight like activity tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5527">TS</a>]
01:32:10 ◼ ► and sleep alarm kind of things so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5530">TS</a>]
01:32:12 ◼ ► it still has all the battery advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5532">TS</a>]
01:32:14 ◼ ► of our regular watch its low-cost it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5534">TS</a>]
01:32:17 ◼ ► only with under two hundred bucks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5537">TS</a>]
01:32:19 ◼ ► you know long batter is it can be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5539">TS</a>]
01:32:22 ◼ ► yeah it means to I think it from these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5542">TS</a>]
01:32:23 ◼ ► pictures it looks pretty attractive who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5543">TS</a>]
01:32:25 ◼ ► knows again who knows like in real life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5545">TS</a>]
01:32:26 ◼ ► but but it looks pretty decent you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5546">TS</a>]
01:32:29 ◼ ► under 200 bucks activity tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5549">TS</a>]
01:32:31 ◼ ► built-ins like that seems like that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5551">TS</a>]
01:32:34 ◼ ► better kind of approach to to addressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5554">TS</a>]
01:32:36 ◼ ► to try to compete with the Apple watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5556">TS</a>]
01:32:37 ◼ ► rather than to be a full-featured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5557">TS</a>]
01:32:39 ◼ ► computer platform because you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5559">TS</a>]
01:32:41 ◼ ► going to do that if you're why things or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5561">TS</a>]
01:32:43 ◼ ► Fitbit you're just you're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5563">TS</a>]
01:32:45 ◼ ► compete on that front and the blade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5565">TS</a>]
01:32:47 ◼ ► looks more like a fitness like it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5567">TS</a>]
01:32:49 ◼ ► focused on fitness gps type thing but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5569">TS</a>]
01:32:52 ◼ ► was thinking of the charge and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5572">TS</a>]
01:32:53 ◼ ► charge HR and even the Flex like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5573">TS</a>]
01:32:55 ◼ ► evolution of the Flex into increasingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5575">TS</a>]
01:32:58 ◼ ► large rubbery bands with a tiny little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5578">TS</a>]
01:33:00 ◼ ► screen that that appeals to people for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5580">TS</a>]
01:33:03 ◼ ► athletics like it's for activity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5583">TS</a>]
01:33:04 ◼ ► athletics just so focused on fitness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5584">TS</a>]
01:33:06 ◼ ► fits right in the name like use clips i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5586">TS</a>]
01:33:08 ◼ ► guess they do have a clear but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5588">TS</a>]
01:33:09 ◼ ► Fitbit like we're not going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5589">TS</a>]
01:33:11 ◼ ► general-purpose platform for smart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5591">TS</a>]
01:33:13 ◼ ► watching everything we do is gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5593">TS</a>]
01:33:15 ◼ ► about fitness and so you can make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5595">TS</a>]
01:33:17 ◼ ► whole line of products with a similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5597">TS</a>]
01:33:19 ◼ ► value proposition of we track the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5599">TS</a>]
01:33:21 ◼ ► that you're doing your heart rate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5601">TS</a>]
01:33:22 ◼ ► your activity and we connect your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5602">TS</a>]
01:33:24 ◼ ► smartphone with a nap and all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5604">TS</a>]
01:33:25 ◼ ► but there's no real brains in our thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5605">TS</a>]
01:33:27 ◼ ► is just an accelerometer and a tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5607">TS</a>]
01:33:28 ◼ ► simple screen and some magic invisible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5608">TS</a>]
01:33:31 ◼ ► bluetooth that just you know make organ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5611">TS</a>]
01:33:32 ◼ ► even the blaze thing looks like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5612">TS</a>]
01:33:35 ◼ ► I like those garmin gps things like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5615">TS</a>]
01:33:38 ◼ ► really fancy version of a thing you wear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5618">TS</a>]
01:33:40 ◼ ► when your exercise I do not buy the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5620">TS</a>]
01:33:41 ◼ ► you like the woman in like with jewelry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5621">TS</a>]
01:33:44 ◼ ► with her fancy purse i just do not buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5624">TS</a>]
01:33:46 ◼ ► that scenario at all for this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5626">TS</a>]
01:33:49 ◼ ► because it is huge and I absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5629">TS</a>]
01:33:52 ◼ ► don't buy it as anything of boy looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5632">TS</a>]
01:33:55 ◼ ► no one really cares like that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5635">TS</a>]
01:33:56 ◼ ► like it's a boner man going on a date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5636">TS</a>]
01:33:57 ◼ ► and bring a suit and it's like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5637">TS</a>]
01:33:59 ◼ ► wearing a suit with this watch like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5639">TS</a>]
01:34:02 ◼ ► I didn't know this existed might have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5642">TS</a>]
01:34:03 ◼ ► take back some of my my credit but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5643">TS</a>]
01:34:06 ◼ ► other things i see them around a lot i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5646">TS</a>]
01:34:08 ◼ ► see them around a lot of regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5648">TS</a>]
01:34:09 ◼ ► and they so clearly have is so cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5649">TS</a>]
01:34:13 ◼ ► compared to the apple watch and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5653">TS</a>]
01:34:15 ◼ ► so like not disposable but like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5655">TS</a>]
01:34:18 ◼ ► made of plastic and their rugged and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5658">TS</a>]
01:34:20 ◼ ► they're there they have such a clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5660">TS</a>]
01:34:22 ◼ ► purpose and they're simple and you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5662">TS</a>]
01:34:26 ◼ ► don't have to worry about like rebooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5666">TS</a>]
01:34:28 ◼ ► them are updating the OS or getting apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5668">TS</a>]
01:34:31 ◼ ► for them all you know they just know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5671">TS</a>]
01:34:33 ◼ ► again remember the flip camera will come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5673">TS</a>]
01:34:36 ◼ ► back to this in a year and see how see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5676">TS</a>]
01:34:38 ◼ ► yeah i mean i really i really do think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5678">TS</a>]
01:34:40 ◼ ► there's going to be a healthy market for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5680">TS</a>]
01:34:42 ◼ ► inexpensive more focused smart watches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5682">TS</a>]
01:34:47 ◼ ► that are not full-fledged at platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5687">TS</a>]
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01:35:03 ◼ ► like most about the Apple watch is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5703">TS</a>]
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01:35:28 ◼ ► basic accelerometer step tracking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5728">TS</a>]
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01:35:35 ◼ ► system in the chip five years from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5735">TS</a>]
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01:35:46 ◼ ► high-end one where they're always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5746">TS</a>]
01:35:47 ◼ ► pushing the envelope like what kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5747">TS</a>]
01:35:48 ◼ ► crazy computing stuff can we put in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5748">TS</a>]
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01:35:52 ◼ ► of Things eventually it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5752">TS</a>]
01:35:55 ◼ ► everything and we think that will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5755">TS</a>]
01:35:57 ◼ ► it better and probably one in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5757">TS</a>]
01:35:58 ◼ ► beginning but it just become so cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5758">TS</a>]
01:36:00 ◼ ► that you just do it because you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5760">TS</a>]
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01:36:05 ◼ ► eventually hopefully we'll find in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5765">TS</a>]
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01:36:08 ◼ ► everything you're like everything didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5768">TS</a>]
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01:36:15 ◼ ► house and electricity for that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5775">TS</a>]
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01:36:25 ◼ ► it up and white is unless you need to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5785">TS</a>]
01:36:27 ◼ ► everything worse and in the beginning it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5787">TS</a>]
01:36:29 ◼ ► did but eventually everything's got free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5789">TS</a>]
01:36:30 ◼ ► electricity so that's gonna be the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5790">TS</a>]
01:36:33 ◼ ► with with cpus not everything cpus now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5793">TS</a>]
01:36:38 ◼ ► they will the same way they all get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5798">TS</a>]
01:36:39 ◼ ► electricity because and we'll have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5799">TS</a>]
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01:36:54 ◼ ► have electricity but eventually worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5814">TS</a>]
01:36:55 ◼ ► out even even today some people still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5815">TS</a>]
01:36:57 ◼ ► have giant gas stoves but no computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5817">TS</a>]
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01:37:13 ◼ ► need to be charged or have software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5833">TS</a>]
01:37:15 ◼ ► updates click it's so nice because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5835">TS</a>]
01:37:20 ◼ ► life now has to be charged and require [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5840">TS</a>]
01:37:22 ◼ ► software updates and and by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5842">TS</a>]
01:37:26 ◼ ► ninety-seven percent of the time but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5846">TS</a>]
01:37:29 ◼ ► that last three percent and even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5849">TS</a>]
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01:37:33 ◼ ► about the computer comes everywhere it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5853">TS</a>]
01:37:34 ◼ ► will be so small that you won't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5854">TS</a>]
01:37:35 ◼ ► charge it all the time i get probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5855">TS</a>]
01:37:37 ◼ ► charge of stuff from the motion of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5857">TS</a>]
01:37:38 ◼ ► wrist or something and you won't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5858">TS</a>]
01:37:39 ◼ ► update the software because it will do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5859">TS</a>]
01:37:41 ◼ ► so few things and it will be a stick set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5861">TS</a>]
01:37:43 ◼ ► of functionality but there will still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5863">TS</a>]
01:37:44 ◼ ► a cpu like in the same way that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5864">TS</a>]
01:37:47 ◼ ► these vacuums are testing probably have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5867">TS</a>]
01:37:48 ◼ ► some microprocessor somewhere inside you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5868">TS</a>]
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01:37:52 ◼ ► do you don't even know it's there you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5872">TS</a>]
01:37:53 ◼ ► have to think about charging as you plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5873">TS</a>]
01:37:54 ◼ ► it in but it's in there in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5874">TS</a>]
01:37:58 ◼ ► all of our cars have a design computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5878">TS</a>]
01:37:59 ◼ ► and now for the most part we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5879">TS</a>]
01:38:01 ◼ ► running soft well Marco is now but most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5881">TS</a>]
01:38:03 ◼ ► of us and our heads home for updates on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5883">TS</a>]
01:38:05 ◼ ► our computer on our cars but they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5885">TS</a>]
01:38:07 ◼ ► just they're filled with cpus so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5887">TS</a>]
01:38:09 ◼ ► the progression need if you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5889">TS</a>]
01:38:11 ◼ ► thinking about it and having to charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5891">TS</a>]
01:38:13 ◼ ► and software update that's clearly like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5893">TS</a>]
01:38:14 ◼ ► on the on the leading edge of adding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5894">TS</a>]
01:38:18 ◼ ► computers to things when we stopped even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5898">TS</a>]
01:38:20 ◼ ► knowing this computer in it that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5900">TS</a>]
01:38:22 ◼ ► trailing edge of adding computers things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5902">TS</a>]
01:38:23 ◼ ► like cutting off cars on the trailing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5903">TS</a>]
01:38:25 ◼ ► edge his cars have this all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5905">TS</a>]
01:38:27 ◼ ► revolution of having their interiors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5907">TS</a>]
01:38:29 ◼ ► become a computerized but the engines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5909">TS</a>]
01:38:31 ◼ ► have long since been computerized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5911">TS</a>]
01:38:33 ◼ ► ship has kind of sailed on our computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5913">TS</a>]
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01:38:35 ◼ ► another example something in our house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5915">TS</a>]
01:38:37 ◼ ► maybe washing maybe dishwasher or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5917">TS</a>]
01:38:39 ◼ ► washing machines they used to just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5919">TS</a>]
01:38:41 ◼ ► like circuit boards with a bunch of six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5921">TS</a>]
01:38:43 ◼ ► circuits and stuff but eventually they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5923">TS</a>]
01:38:44 ◼ ► just all got cpus and we don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5924">TS</a>]
01:38:47 ◼ ► about it you don't update them and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5927">TS</a>]
01:38:48 ◼ ► know how to charge them then it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5928">TS</a>]
01:38:49 ◼ ► hassle and they don't crash because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5929">TS</a>]
01:38:51 ◼ ► they do is so stupid and so simple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5931">TS</a>]
01:38:54 ◼ ► you know for the most part and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5934">TS</a>]
01:38:58 ◼ ► yes that's fine like like the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5938">TS</a>]
01:39:00 ◼ ► that's basically like you know a sealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5940">TS</a>]
01:39:01 ◼ ► box where like you can't get a firmware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5941">TS</a>]
01:39:04 ◼ ► update for your dishwasher like I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5944">TS</a>]
01:39:06 ◼ ► it's possible for server people do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5946">TS</a>]
01:39:09 ◼ ► consumers are expected to ever do or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5949">TS</a>]
01:39:11 ◼ ► even able to do because what they do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5951">TS</a>]
01:39:14 ◼ ► so simple and basic like you hoped there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5954">TS</a>]
01:39:16 ◼ ► would be no need for such a thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5956">TS</a>]
01:39:18 ◼ ► where were the danger of being annoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5958">TS</a>]
01:39:21 ◼ ► and reliable comes in as you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5961">TS</a>]
01:39:23 ◼ ► something as complicated as an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5963">TS</a>]
01:39:25 ◼ ► platform you know like a device that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5965">TS</a>]
01:39:27 ◼ ► an apple from like a SmartWatch like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5967">TS</a>]
01:39:31 ◼ ► so now you're expected to have like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5971">TS</a>]
01:39:33 ◼ ► smartwatch a phone maybe a tablet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5973">TS</a>]
01:39:36 ◼ ► certainly a computer or one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5976">TS</a>]
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01:39:39 ◼ ► these devices that thing and then your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5979">TS</a>]
01:39:41 ◼ ► cars are getting smarter they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5981">TS</a>]
01:39:42 ◼ ► software that whether it whether it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5982">TS</a>]
01:39:45 ◼ ► updated or not it probably needs to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5985">TS</a>]
01:39:51 ◼ ► over-the-air updates the way Tesla does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5991">TS</a>]
01:39:52 ◼ ► but it has plenty of software bugs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5992">TS</a>]
01:39:56 ◼ ► yeah its biggest don't get fixed at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5996">TS</a>]
01:39:58 ◼ ► quality that they have the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/5998">TS</a>]
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01:40:03 ◼ ► out what things should be platforms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6003">TS</a>]
01:40:05 ◼ ► what things should I think like for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6005">TS</a>]
01:40:07 ◼ ► most part thus far we've decided that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6007">TS</a>]
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01:40:14 ◼ ► going to try things that she watches the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6014">TS</a>]
01:40:16 ◼ ► application platforms should phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6016">TS</a>]
01:40:18 ◼ ► should like should televisions we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6018">TS</a>]
01:40:21 ◼ ► finding out the answers to those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6021">TS</a>]
01:40:22 ◼ ► now I think we pretty much found out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6022">TS</a>]
01:40:23 ◼ ► phones yes they should probably be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6023">TS</a>]
01:40:25 ◼ ► application platforms to televisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6025">TS</a>]
01:40:27 ◼ ► carry kinda maybe still out watches jury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6027">TS</a>]
01:40:31 ◼ ► still out cars i think your figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6031">TS</a>]
01:40:34 ◼ ► you're gonna figure that out for us mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6034">TS</a>]
01:40:35 ◼ ► alright mean that maybe like this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6035">TS</a>]
01:40:39 ◼ ► everything is potentially one but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6039">TS</a>]
01:40:41 ◼ ► can't all be there is no future where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6041">TS</a>]
01:40:43 ◼ ► everything is an app platform in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6043">TS</a>]
01:40:45 ◼ ► that we think of that platforms today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6045">TS</a>]
01:40:48 ◼ ► everything for all you know everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6048">TS</a>]
01:40:49 ◼ ► could be getting magic wireless software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6049">TS</a>]
01:40:51 ◼ ► updates you know again as the as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6051">TS</a>]
01:40:52 ◼ ► price of computing drops to zero as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6052">TS</a>]
01:40:55 ◼ ► power consumption of computing drops to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6055">TS</a>]
01:40:56 ◼ ► zero as it becomes just so damn cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6056">TS</a>]
01:40:58 ◼ ► and so power you know and and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6058">TS</a>]
01:41:02 ◼ ► ubiquitous net wireless networking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6062">TS</a>]
01:41:03 ◼ ► everywhere with low-power you just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6063">TS</a>]
01:41:05 ◼ ► in everything and if you can come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6065">TS</a>]
01:41:08 ◼ ► with these sort of the wireless internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6068">TS</a>]
01:41:11 ◼ ► enabled equivalent of the dumb embedded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6071">TS</a>]
01:41:13 ◼ ► cpu that's in your rice cooker that does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6073">TS</a>]
01:41:15 ◼ ► the fuzzy logic fair when to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6075">TS</a>]
01:41:16 ◼ ► cooking your rice if that has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6076">TS</a>]
01:41:18 ◼ ► little minor bug or even just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6078">TS</a>]
01:41:21 ◼ ► patch something to the International [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6081">TS</a>]
01:41:22 ◼ ► Date authority decides we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6082">TS</a>]
01:41:24 ◼ ► skip january fifteenth in the year 2027 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6084">TS</a>]
01:41:26 ◼ ► for some reason or whatever that all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6086">TS</a>]
01:41:29 ◼ ► devices in your house will wirelessly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6089">TS</a>]
01:41:31 ◼ ► get updates to handle that date thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6091">TS</a>]
01:41:33 ◼ ► and you won't think about it they'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6093">TS</a>]
01:41:35 ◼ ► great like that's a that's a potential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6095">TS</a>]
01:41:37 ◼ ► cool future and it's eminently possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6097">TS</a>]
01:41:39 ◼ ► but it still doesn't make it right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6099">TS</a>]
01:41:41 ◼ ► in a platform because that just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6101">TS</a>]
01:41:42 ◼ ► make any sense you know practically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6102">TS</a>]
01:41:45 ◼ ► because what we use it for you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6105">TS</a>]
01:41:47 ◼ ► wanted to be reliable and like 70 MW it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6107">TS</a>]
01:41:49 ◼ ► may have bugs and you would like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6109">TS</a>]
01:41:51 ◼ ► Bugsy six but you don't want to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6111">TS</a>]
01:41:52 ◼ ► with that crap nobody wants to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6112">TS</a>]
01:41:54 ◼ ► it you just wanted to happen auto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6114">TS</a>]
01:41:55 ◼ ► magically with no possibility of error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6115">TS</a>]
01:41:57 ◼ ► like the rules for embedded systems are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6117">TS</a>]
01:42:00 ◼ ► so different than the rules for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6120">TS</a>]
01:42:02 ◼ ► that are at platforms and then we're out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6122">TS</a>]
01:42:03 ◼ ► there on the bleeding edge like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6123">TS</a>]
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01:42:06 ◼ ► pcs perpetually on the bleeding edge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6126">TS</a>]
01:42:08 ◼ ► that's where things get all unreliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6128">TS</a>]
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01:42:11 ◼ ► set of rules there and it came back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6131">TS</a>]
01:42:14 ◼ ► the Swift discussion if they can try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6134">TS</a>]
01:42:16 ◼ ► to drag those leading edge platforms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6136">TS</a>]
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01:42:31 ◼ ► think things can work out eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSzsTIY/6151">TS</a>]