Connected

00:00:00 ◼   ► I am recording.

00:00:01 ◼   ► Same.

00:00:02 ◼   ► It's official.

00:00:03 ◼   ► From.

00:00:05 ◼   ► Nope.

00:00:06 ◼   ► No.

00:00:07 ◼   ► No.

00:00:08 ◼   ► Not now.

00:00:08 ◼   ► Literally too soon and it's not your week.

00:00:10 ◼   ► Oh, it is your week.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Yeah, so I did it.

00:00:12 ◼   ► It is your week.

00:00:13 ◼   ► From Mariko.

00:00:14 ◼   ► What's going on with your studio display?

00:00:16 ◼   ► Ah.

00:00:17 ◼   ► The setup is finished.

00:00:21 ◼   ► Wow, that happened fast.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Mission accomplished.

00:00:26 ◼   ► Can I get like a huge banner?

00:00:28 ◼   ► You know, behind me, you know, it's a mission accomplished

00:00:31 ◼   ► and I'm standing in front of a microphone to declare

00:00:34 ◼   ► that my desk is finalized, you know.

00:00:38 ◼   ► Wait, no.

00:00:39 ◼   ► - Oh, stop, stop, WMDC, stop.

00:00:41 ◼   ► - No, no, no, no, no.

00:00:43 ◼   ► - Everyone stop, June 5th to 9th.

00:00:45 ◼   ► We gotta stop now.

00:00:46 ◼   ► - Are you serious?

00:00:48 ◼   ► - I'm serious, it just happened.

00:00:49 ◼   ► Underscore sent it to me.

00:00:51 ◼   ► So everybody stop, I gotta book plane tickets.

00:00:53 ◼   ► This is gonna happen right now.

00:00:55 ◼   ► - Oh.

00:00:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, we got to see you.

00:00:59 ◼   ► Guys, can we chat in a bit?

00:01:02 ◼   ► - Yep, got to go do that.

00:01:03 ◼   ► Bye, bye.

00:01:04 ◼   ► - Bye, bye.

00:01:04 ◼   ► - Bye, see you.

00:01:06 ◼   ► - Bye.

00:01:07 ◼   ► (upbeat music)

00:01:09 ◼   ► - All right, so hotel's booked.

00:01:16 ◼   ► - We've been gone an hour.

00:01:19 ◼   ► - Hotel booked, flight booked.

00:01:21 ◼   ► - Check, check.

00:01:22 ◼   ► - I told my mom.

00:01:25 ◼   ► So there's also that.

00:01:27 ◼   ► That's always good. That's an important part. I haven't told my mom yet. Should I stop the

00:01:30 ◼   ► show and go tell my mom? I can tell her I'm going to see her later.

00:01:33 ◼   ► Why? What is that? What is this? It's just a lovely lady. See you and come on.

00:01:41 ◼   ► Both of your moms are lovely ladies. WBC has been announced June 5th through the 9th. Mike,

00:01:49 ◼   ► what does Apple up to? Can you tell us about this? So it looks like kind of what we were expecting

00:01:56 ◼   ► which is probably a more put together version of last year.

00:02:01 ◼   ► So like things seem a little bit clearer

00:02:05 ◼   ► and we can all, and I mean, I think it also helps

00:02:08 ◼   ► that we have something to compare it to, right?

00:02:10 ◼   ► So special event is like the day.

00:02:14 ◼   ► Keynote, State of the Union, Design Awards on the 5th.

00:02:18 ◼   ► They're offering an in-person like portion of the show.

00:02:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, like last year.

00:02:24 ◼   ► - Right, like, yeah, like in-person,

00:02:26 ◼   ► You can come in, you can apply.

00:02:28 ◼   ► They've got a bunch of different ways you can apply actually,

00:02:33 ◼   ► which has seemed intriguing to me, right?

00:02:35 ◼   ► So you can apply as a developer,

00:02:38 ◼   ► an Apple Entrepreneur Camp Alumni,

00:02:40 ◼   ► Swift Student Challenge,

00:02:43 ◼   ► or Apple Developer Enterprise Program member.

00:02:48 ◼   ► Invitations will be allocated by a random selection process,

00:02:51 ◼   ► notified of your status by April 5th.

00:02:53 ◼   ► So only a week from today, which is, that's surprising.

00:02:58 ◼   ► So yeah, that's what they're doing.

00:03:02 ◼   ► And then there's a bunch of health and safety measures,

00:03:04 ◼   ► but it doesn't feel like there's,

00:03:06 ◼   ► at least right now, there are no strict COVID measures.

00:03:09 ◼   ► It's like, hey, if you are not feeling good, stay at home.

00:03:13 ◼   ► - Take care of yourself at home.

00:03:14 ◼   ► Yeah, that's literally what is written on the website.

00:03:17 ◼   ► - Yeah, I mean, and then it says, stay connected.

00:03:20 ◼   ► We'll be posting WWDC announcements

00:03:22 ◼   ► leading up to and during the conference.

00:03:23 ◼   ► I like during, I like--

00:03:25 ◼   ► - Stay connected.

00:03:27 ◼   ► - Connected, but I like this idea of like,

00:03:29 ◼   ► we're posting announcements like during the conference.

00:03:31 ◼   ► It's like, you know, you can imagine like

00:03:33 ◼   ► someone's still at home on Tuesday

00:03:35 ◼   ► and then it's like, oh, this thing's happening on Thursday.

00:03:37 ◼   ► I'm on my way, baby.

00:03:38 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:03:39 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:03:40 ◼   ► - I, there we go, it's happened.

00:03:42 ◼   ► - It's happened.

00:03:43 ◼   ► - I think we're all pretty tired now

00:03:45 ◼   ► 'cause we had to go deal with that.

00:03:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's, I don't know, it kind of feels unreal.

00:03:51 ◼   ► I haven't done this in three years and I kind of forgot how to book plane tickets to the US.

00:03:56 ◼   ► So I don't know, it was a whole experience for like 20 minutes and I was texting Mike.

00:04:00 ◼   ► So double checking every step of the way.

00:04:03 ◼   ► I don't know, we're gonna be together in person.

00:04:06 ◼   ► There was this weird moment when Federico was like,

00:04:08 ◼   ► "Just can you tell me the four last digits of your credit card?"

00:04:11 ◼   ► I don't know why he needed that.

00:04:12 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:04:14 ◼   ► But yeah, I gave it to him because he was, you know, he was trying to book his flights.

00:04:18 ◼   ► I was very confused and usually when I book plane tickets,

00:04:21 ◼   ► I get a little notification from my credit card company

00:04:25 ◼   ► and this time I didn't.

00:04:26 ◼   ► So that was cool.

00:04:27 ◼   ► I will just say, in all seriousness, Federico did kind of hint to the fact

00:04:32 ◼   ► of like, "Are you booking my plane ticket for me?"

00:04:35 ◼   ► Like that was the thing he asked me.

00:04:37 ◼   ► No, well, I just wanted to double check

00:04:41 ◼   ► because you were telling me dates and times.

00:04:44 ◼   ► And I was like, "Well, the last time we went there..."

00:04:47 ◼   ► Historically, I have booked tickets for you.

00:04:49 ◼   ► I was like, I just, I just wanted, I was on the, I was on the airline website booking

00:04:55 ◼   ► them myself.

00:04:56 ◼   ► I was like, wait, is Mike booking them?

00:04:57 ◼   ► Like just let me double check.

00:04:59 ◼   ► I was not expecting you to book them for me, given that we have a different sort of flight

00:05:06 ◼   ► organization and schedule this time around.

00:05:08 ◼   ► Like, yeah, all good.

00:05:11 ◼   ► All good.

00:05:12 ◼   ► I'm pretty excited.

00:05:13 ◼   ► Me too.

00:05:14 ◼   ► I feel confident I'll get to do it this time, you know?

00:05:17 ◼   ► So that's good. Second time's the charm.

00:05:20 ◼   ► What are you making that sound for? What is wrong with you?

00:05:24 ◼   ► What is wrong with you? Why did you do this?

00:05:26 ◼   ► What is wrong with you? Why did you bring this to me?

00:05:29 ◼   ► This isn't fair. Like, first you made a joke about my mum, which I'm gonna keep referencing so you can't edit it out.

00:05:35 ◼   ► Second, you're like putting this like jinx on me or this curse on me for some reason.

00:05:40 ◼   ► I don't even know why this is necessary.

00:05:42 ◼   ► You've been cursed by Steven.

00:05:45 ◼   ► I'm just saying, the two weeks before WC,

00:05:46 ◼   ► you don't go anywhere.

00:05:48 ◼   ► Just stay at home.

00:05:49 ◼   ► Don't, don't.

00:05:50 ◼   ► I mean, I've got to go somewhere.

00:05:51 ◼   ► No, no you don't.

00:05:52 ◼   ► To California, like, why can't?

00:05:54 ◼   ► Other than that, you know, don't,

00:05:56 ◼   ► don't go out to the shops or, I don't know,

00:05:59 ◼   ► whatever you do.

00:06:01 ◼   ► Yeah, so what is it, the fifth?

00:06:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:06:03 ◼   ► So two weeks before would be what, the 22nd?

00:06:06 ◼   ► Yeah, I can do that.

00:06:07 ◼   ► You are in quarantine for two weeks before this.

00:06:10 ◼   ► I do see on my calendar, which is kind of funny,

00:06:12 ◼   ► Comic-Con London yeah we're not doing that no no take that off your calendar

00:06:16 ◼   ► right now sorry sorry honey we're not going no comic-con that's not have you

00:06:24 ◼   ► ever been to a comic-con before I haven't no I've been to the Italian

00:06:29 ◼   ► version of a comic-con what wait what does that entail well but it's it's like

00:06:34 ◼   ► not like Robert Downey jr. is not there which is like the same as long you know

00:06:39 ◼   ► They're just like it's like the non

00:06:41 ◼   ► Celebrity part of a comic-con. Yeah, it's like the actual comic-con

00:06:45 ◼   ► Yes, it's called the row mix it's Rome and comics

00:06:51 ◼   ► So we've spoken about this before because there's a listener

00:06:55 ◼   ► Right. Oh, yeah

00:06:57 ◼   ► That's right. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's like oh, I'm giving a TED talk. Oh, we're Oh TEDx. Let's not a TED talk

00:07:04 ◼   ► You know, that's like a it's that sort of thing, right? It's like a yeah

00:07:08 ◼   ► - Well, but no, you see, I think this is one of those things

00:07:11 ◼   ► that's just got warped over time.

00:07:13 ◼   ► Comic cons were always what this is,

00:07:15 ◼   ► where it's just like a bunch of artists selling their stuff

00:07:19 ◼   ► and you can go get your comic side and meet people and do,

00:07:21 ◼   ► and then like-

00:07:22 ◼   ► - The big comic con came in.

00:07:24 ◼   ► - Hollywood came in, right?

00:07:26 ◼   ► And was like, oh, these Marvel movies do,

00:07:28 ◼   ► they make us a lot of money.

00:07:29 ◼   ► Let's do our announcements at comic con.

00:07:32 ◼   ► And now like just non-comic movies

00:07:35 ◼   ► get announced at comic con.

00:07:36 ◼   ► You know, it's just like, this is nothing.

00:07:38 ◼   ► You know, like why are we doing this?

00:07:40 ◼   ► But anyway, WWDC is not a Comic-Con.

00:07:43 ◼   ► - No.

00:07:44 ◼   ► - Thing I'm interested.

00:07:45 ◼   ► - It kind of is, what if we started, you know,

00:07:48 ◼   ► you could like bring a book about Apple

00:07:50 ◼   ► and get it signed by somebody.

00:07:51 ◼   ► You could dress up as Tim Cook.

00:07:52 ◼   ► - We could all just set up our own little stalls outside,

00:07:54 ◼   ► couldn't we?

00:07:55 ◼   ► Like outside of Apple Park,

00:07:56 ◼   ► we'll just get our own little tables and stuff.

00:07:58 ◼   ► - Yeah, we got merch.

00:07:59 ◼   ► We can bring merch.

00:08:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, sure.

00:08:01 ◼   ► - Apple Executive cost, please.

00:08:03 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:08:04 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:08:05 ◼   ► - I call Eddy Cue.

00:08:06 ◼   ► That's a good one to call. I'll call Tim but I got a lot of work to do in the gym before

00:08:11 ◼   ► I can try and pull that one off, you know what I mean?

00:08:14 ◼   ► Just arm day though.

00:08:15 ◼   ► I'll call Federico, can you be John Turnas please? For no specific reason.

00:08:19 ◼   ► Yes.

00:08:20 ◼   ► Can you do that for me? Thank you.

00:08:22 ◼   ► I'll be John Turnas for you, Mike.

00:08:24 ◼   ► I appreciate that. You could actually do, I think with the right glasses, you could

00:08:29 ◼   ► do a Steve Jobs Federico. I think you could pull that off.

00:08:32 ◼   ► I could do young Steve Jobs.

00:08:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:08:35 ◼   ► Michael Fassbender. Yeah you could you could you could cosplay as Michael Fassbender as Steve Jobs from the movie.

00:08:42 ◼   ► That's not a cosplay. Is that is that like one of those fake names that Chad GPT

00:08:47 ◼   ► came up with? Yeah. It's like hey write a fake movie with a bunch of actors that don't exist.

00:08:52 ◼   ► I mean you have watched that movie. Which movie? Jobs. The Steve Jobs movie. No I've never seen it.

00:08:58 ◼   ► There's a whole member special we spoke about it for like an hour. And that wasn't me.

00:09:02 ◼   ► It was a hallucination. It was one of those...

00:09:04 ◼   ► It was my voice synthesized by someone else. It wasn't me.

00:09:08 ◼   ► I'm not staying in San Jose this time.

00:09:10 ◼   ► I, after my last experience, I have made the decision that I will never stay in San Jose ever again in my life.

00:09:16 ◼   ► I'm just saying where Mike told me to stay.

00:09:18 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:09:19 ◼   ► So...

00:09:20 ◼   ► If Apple brought WWDC back to San Jose, I would not stay there.

00:09:23 ◼   ► Like, I had one of the worst weeks of my life in San Jose. I will never go there again.

00:09:28 ◼   ► Never coming back.

00:09:29 ◼   ► I will come in and out, right?

00:09:30 ◼   ► out right like this to do I'll come in and out but staying there no not

00:09:34 ◼   ► happening I won't do it I'm never staying there ever again so by San Jose

00:09:39 ◼   ► you're terrible and I hate you and I'll never go in there again if you live in San Jose move I don't

00:09:47 ◼   ► know what to tell you right I didn't make the rules hey quick question for

00:09:51 ◼   ► you guys it's just totally unrelated to the well it's kind of related to this

00:09:56 ◼   ► topic for a reason I'll get to in a minute. The new MacBook Airs, when are we

00:10:02 ◼   ► thinking they will be released? Anytime from now until like July. This is

00:10:09 ◼   ► extremely unhelpful. Are you buying another Mac? And I need a travel

00:10:16 ◼   ► computer and it cannot be a desktop. I mean I would just get the M2 MacBook Air

00:10:22 ◼   ► like you and you're gonna be perfectly happy. Like the M3 MacBook Air is just

00:10:26 ◼   ► gonna be a bit faster but the m2 MacBook Air is faster than you need for literally anything

00:10:30 ◼   ► that you do on it.

00:10:31 ◼   ► It's not the 15 inch though.

00:10:33 ◼   ► Why would you want a 15 inch though?

00:10:37 ◼   ► New kid in town.

00:10:38 ◼   ► Then get a 16 inch MacBook Pro and you'll hate it.

00:10:41 ◼   ► Too heavy.

00:10:42 ◼   ► Too heavy.

00:10:43 ◼   ► Right.

00:10:44 ◼   ► I would seriously even if the 15 even when the 15 comes out like I don't think you're

00:10:47 ◼   ► gonna want that like if you want a travel computer why would you want a big one?

00:10:51 ◼   ► Yeah you're right.

00:10:52 ◼   ► I should get the 13.

00:10:53 ◼   ► I should get the one you have.

00:10:55 ◼   ► I would wait until like late May.

00:11:00 ◼   ► Why is Jon texting me right now saying you will not be happy with the M2, don't do it.

00:11:06 ◼   ► What is wrong with Jon?

00:11:08 ◼   ► Jon, that's bad advice.

00:11:10 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:11:11 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:11:12 ◼   ► This is...

00:11:13 ◼   ► He says, I 100% would wait for the 15 inch M3.

00:11:18 ◼   ► See, Jon is just, he's trying to like...

00:11:22 ◼   ► Why is he being like this?

00:11:23 ◼   ► untrue instigator what is going on over there?

00:11:26 ◼   ► I love all of this, I love this debate.

00:11:29 ◼   ► Well I tell you what, I tell you what, why don't you just wait for what Jon told you

00:11:35 ◼   ► to do and see how you feel, you know what I mean?

00:11:37 ◼   ► Oh, oh, can you, so Mike, your computer, is it the midnight one?

00:11:41 ◼   ► Yeah baby.

00:11:42 ◼   ► Do you have it in mid?

00:11:43 ◼   ► Yeah baby.

00:11:44 ◼   ► Can you send me pictures later?

00:11:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:11:46 ◼   ► Can you send me, can you send me some Mac pics later?

00:11:48 ◼   ► I'll send you some Mac pics, don't you worry about that.

00:11:50 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:11:51 ◼   ► Hot Mac content.

00:11:52 ◼   ► Don't you worry about that.

00:11:53 ◼   ► you okay so yes there was a unrelated to but sort of rate because of travel you

00:12:00 ◼   ► know you guys know what I'm talking about so yeah yeah you don't want to be

00:12:06 ◼   ► the person on the plane with a Mac Mini and a studio to suppose right yeah that's

00:12:11 ◼   ► not a good look that's not a good look yeah John John adds I know you well you

00:12:17 ◼   ► will be unhappy he does know me well I don't know what he thinks the m3 is

00:12:22 ◼   ► gonna get you that the m2 no I think John thinks he wants a bigger one yeah

00:12:26 ◼   ► but maybe he does but he's not gonna like putting that in his backpack I do

00:12:30 ◼   ► I have a pretty big backpack well here's the thing here's the thing right John

00:12:34 ◼   ► like fine but like if you need it for this trip and it doesn't exist well then

00:12:39 ◼   ► you're gonna be really unhappy right so like that's the reason that's the problem

00:12:43 ◼   ► see that's my problem right if you want it for this trip the most unhappy Mac

00:12:48 ◼   ► will be the one that doesn't exist. That's like an ancient proverb.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Wow, that's very wise.

00:12:53 ◼   ► So what I said is, I think this one is fine for you, but wait until like two weeks before

00:12:59 ◼   ► WWDC, before you buy it. So then you've left it as late as possible and you should go buy

00:13:04 ◼   ► one. That would be my recommendation to you.

00:13:07 ◼   ► Okay.

00:13:08 ◼   ► And Jon, if you've got a problem with that, I don't know what to tell you.

00:13:10 ◼   ► Get your own podcast, Jon.

00:13:12 ◼   ► Get your own podcast. And you could tell him, yeah, you have like seven podcasts with Federico,

00:13:16 ◼   ► wait and tell him on one of those you know what I mean? Yeah. Geez. Yeah. App

00:13:20 ◼   ► stories more like Mac stories. Oh. You nailed it. From Relay FM this is Connected

00:13:31 ◼   ► episode 443 the today's show is brought to you by Squarespace Capital One fast

00:13:37 ◼   ► growing trees and Setapp. My name is Mike Hurley and I'm joined by Federico

00:13:41 ◼   ► Hi Federico. Hello Mike Hurley, how are you? I'm good. This is chaos

00:13:46 ◼   ► Absolutely chaos. This is absolutely chaotic episode. Stephen made a joke about my mom

00:13:52 ◼   ► Yeah, keep dropping that. Sorry. That's just gonna keep sorry about that. Sorry about that. I don't know

00:13:57 ◼   ► Yeah, it was really unfortunate right and then he made a joke about how I was gonna get sick of mr

00:14:03 ◼   ► WWDC for the second time. I didn't know I just said that you should

00:14:05 ◼   ► Make precautions. Who introduced you? No one introduced you. What are you talking for?

00:14:11 ◼   ► I'm just talking to Federico. It's just me and Federico having a conversation.

00:14:14 ◼   ► I don't know what you're doing here.

00:14:15 ◼   ► I mean, I'm fine to go. I'd like to go for a walk or something.

00:14:18 ◼   ► You do this to me every time, so you gotta leave it. You just gotta take it.

00:14:22 ◼   ► Listeners know, every time I say something, because you two are talking about me,

00:14:25 ◼   ► you tell me I can't speak. So no, you can't speak.

00:14:27 ◼   ► When Federico's ready to introduce you, you can join the show.

00:14:31 ◼   ► But I don't know when that's gonna be. I ain't got no control over that.

00:14:33 ◼   ► *awkward silence*

00:14:38 ◼   ► *clears throat*

00:14:39 ◼   ► *laughing*

00:14:41 ◼   ► *laughing*

00:14:43 ◼   ► *clicks tongue*

00:14:45 ◼   ► Should I... I don't know...

00:14:47 ◼   ► I don't... We could just do this. You could just sit there.

00:14:50 ◼   ► Ah, see, he didn't exactly behave before this, you know?

00:14:54 ◼   ► Ah, it is my pleasure.

00:14:55 ◼   ► Well, no, no. Make him promise no more mum jokes.

00:14:58 ◼   ► And then he can come on the show.

00:14:59 ◼   ► Okay, if you promise, Steven, no more mom jokes against me or Mike, I will introduce

00:15:10 ◼   ► you.

00:15:11 ◼   ► But, because you cannot speak yet, if you agree, knock on your desk twice.

00:15:17 ◼   ► No, that was once.

00:15:20 ◼   ► Why, Stu?

00:15:21 ◼   ► Hold on, we're gonna harmonize.

00:15:23 ◼   ► We're gonna harmonize.

00:15:25 ◼   ► Okay, it is my pleasure to introduce also to the show Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:15:33 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen.

00:15:34 ◼   ► Hello, boys.

00:15:35 ◼   ► Hello.

00:15:36 ◼   ► You promised.

00:15:37 ◼   ► I haven't broken my promise yet.

00:15:40 ◼   ► Okay, I'm just reminding you.

00:15:44 ◼   ► Today is chaos.

00:15:46 ◼   ► I was...

00:15:47 ◼   ► Should we take our first break?

00:15:48 ◼   ► I need a drink.

00:15:51 ◼   ► I only have water here.

00:15:54 ◼   ► (laughing)

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00:17:33 ◼   ► about. Okay? Okay. Is it bad? No, that's not great. It's not bad.

00:17:40 ◼   ► Oh so it's kind of bad. During the Aries last week there was a scoring mistake

00:17:47 ◼   ► made by me. As is the way anytime we score anything on this show. This is the way. So

00:17:54 ◼   ► there is a... No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

00:17:59 ◼   ► I conducted many quizzes and made one mistake. You have made mistakes in 100% of your quizzes.

00:18:06 ◼   ► That feels a little harsh to be fair. But I heard it in the edit, it was too late to

00:18:12 ◼   ► fix it but it does not thankfully change the outcome but the correct scoring now

00:18:18 ◼   ► is mic 11 Federico 7. What was it? What was the error? Well if you click the link in

00:18:24 ◼   ► the show notes you can hear it because I have an overcast little video that

00:18:28 ◼   ► contains it. It was the question about the MacBook Air and the weight. How much

00:18:34 ◼   ► did the original MacBook Air weigh and is it more or less than the current M2

00:18:42 ◼   ► MacBook Air. Less than a pound and it's less than today's model. I'll also say

00:18:49 ◼   ► less than a pound because I have no idea and more than today's model. Okay so

00:18:56 ◼   ► Federico wins. It was three pounds. The M2 weighs 2.7 so it was slightly more than

00:19:04 ◼   ► the Air. Y'all are both off but Federico's less wrong so. Okay. Federico gets it.

00:19:08 ◼   ► Wait, how do we define less wrong?

00:19:10 ◼   ► [music]

00:19:14 ◼   ► It didn't sound right to me at the time, which is why I questioned it.

00:19:17 ◼   ► I was, I didn't know what was going on.

00:19:18 ◼   ► But you didn't ask a question that made me think I scored it wrong.

00:19:22 ◼   ► You were like, "Oh, didn't we do an over/under on our previous question?"

00:19:26 ◼   ► And so...

00:19:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:19:27 ◼   ► It's really your fault.

00:19:28 ◼   ► So what you're, no, what you're saying is I scored even more points.

00:19:33 ◼   ► No, it's 11.

00:19:35 ◼   ► You have 11, Federico has 7.

00:19:36 ◼   ► That's the...

00:19:37 ◼   ► But what did I have before? Did I have 10 before?

00:19:39 ◼   ► You had 10 before.

00:19:41 ◼   ► So I have scored more points.

00:19:42 ◼   ► Yes, but you already had. You just had to have been awarded them.

00:19:45 ◼   ► Anyways, the banana phone. Moving on.

00:19:47 ◼   ► First off, an anonymous Canadian apologized for the song mentioned last week.

00:19:51 ◼   ► I don't want to talk about this anymore. The banana phone.

00:19:53 ◼   ► Well, this is the last one because we've gotten to the bottom.

00:19:56 ◼   ► How do you know?

00:19:57 ◼   ► Well, it is the last thing because we're not because I'm not going to put it in the document again after this.

00:20:01 ◼   ► So it's really it's up to us what we talk about.

00:20:05 ◼   ► A bunch of people wrote this in, I'm giving credit to Scott because he was first.

00:20:07 ◼   ► I would like to point out that Nokia made a phone called the banana phone.

00:20:12 ◼   ► It was the Nokia 8110.

00:20:14 ◼   ► You may recognize it because Neo used one in the first Matrix movie

00:20:19 ◼   ► and then they re-released it because Nokia was just everyone over there was just

00:20:24 ◼   ► doing wild things. They re-released a 4G version of it.

00:20:27 ◼   ► I am now convinced that this is what the passionate ones were referencing when

00:20:31 ◼   ► they said they used a banana phone. But now it's done.

00:20:34 ◼   ► Now we know everything we know,

00:20:36 ◼   ► we could know about banana phones.

00:20:37 ◼   ► Federico, would you like to take a victory lap

00:20:40 ◼   ► around the iPhone action button?

00:20:42 ◼   ► - Well, based on the information we have so far,

00:20:46 ◼   ► I will take a half a victory lap,

00:20:50 ◼   ► because I mean, all of this is rumor so far.

00:20:53 ◼   ► Specifically today, we got two stories from MacRumors

00:20:56 ◼   ► citing a source from the MacRumors forums

00:21:00 ◼   ► that were correct before

00:21:02 ◼   ► about the dynamic island last year,

00:21:04 ◼   ► so MacRumors tends to believe this source.

00:21:09 ◼   ► First we got a report saying that the iPhone 15 Pro

00:21:13 ◼   ► will have a brand new system for the low energy chip.

00:21:17 ◼   ► Like the system that sort of was managing

00:21:20 ◼   ► the Find My network before when your iPhone turns off,

00:21:25 ◼   ► but it still remains findable even if it's off.

00:21:28 ◼   ► Well apparently in the iPhone 15 Pro,

00:21:30 ◼   ► this system will be reworked with, and I'm quoting,

00:21:33 ◼   ► a new ultra low energy microprocessor

00:21:36 ◼   ► that in addition to that functionality

00:21:38 ◼   ► will also allow these solid state buttons

00:21:41 ◼   ► on the iPhone 15 Pro to remain functional

00:21:43 ◼   ► even when your phone is off

00:21:45 ◼   ► and the battery has in theory run out.

00:21:48 ◼   ► So this is interesting because like, you know,

00:21:51 ◼   ► a lot of us are concerned about like these quote unquote

00:21:54 ◼   ► fake buttons not being clickable anymore

00:21:58 ◼   ► if the phone is off, sort of like what was happening

00:22:00 ◼   ► with the iPhone 7 and the fake home button.

00:22:03 ◼   ► And it seems like Apple is thinking about this

00:22:05 ◼   ► and maybe coming up with a better system

00:22:07 ◼   ► for making those buttons click,

00:22:10 ◼   ► even if the phone is turned off.

00:22:12 ◼   ► And the second story is about how, in fact,

00:22:17 ◼   ► Apple may be thinking about making this new mutering switch,

00:22:22 ◼   ► this new button, essentially,

00:22:26 ◼   ► that replaces the mute switch and action button,

00:22:31 ◼   ► as I theorized/hoped for last week here on the show.

00:22:35 ◼   ► And they say Apple's implementation remains to be seen,

00:22:40 ◼   ► but some of the ideas are essentially

00:22:42 ◼   ► what we talked about last week,

00:22:43 ◼   ► like run a shortcut, open SHAZAM, do not disturb,

00:22:46 ◼   ► toggle the flashlight, toggle low power mode, and so forth.

00:22:51 ◼   ► The idea being that some of these features,

00:22:53 ◼   ► if you think about it,

00:22:54 ◼   ► Most of them already have a shortcut

00:22:56 ◼   ► as in like a system shortcut in the shortcuts app,

00:23:01 ◼   ► but they're also already supported

00:23:03 ◼   ► in some of those features.

00:23:05 ◼   ► Like for example, the accessibility stuff,

00:23:06 ◼   ► like back tap, for example,

00:23:09 ◼   ► that allows you to run a specific feature of your iPhone

00:23:12 ◼   ► if you tap the back of your phone twice or three times.

00:23:16 ◼   ► I don't remember that.

00:23:17 ◼   ► - Or if you just sit it down the wrong way, I guess.

00:23:20 ◼   ► - Yes, also that.

00:23:20 ◼   ► - It's a little finicky.

00:23:23 ◼   ► And the rumor goes, Apple is actually thinking

00:23:26 ◼   ► about the system with an action button

00:23:28 ◼   ► that is like the Apple Watch Ultra,

00:23:30 ◼   ► but more flexible because of all the different things

00:23:32 ◼   ► you can do on the phone.

00:23:33 ◼   ► - I think it makes a ton of sense

00:23:34 ◼   ► to make iPhone hardware more flexible

00:23:38 ◼   ► and more powerful in a way that is not just,

00:23:42 ◼   ► oh, the silicon's faster.

00:23:43 ◼   ► Because at some point,

00:23:44 ◼   ► like that kind of doesn't matter anymore.

00:23:47 ◼   ► But having your phone like have a programmable

00:23:50 ◼   ► bit of hardware, like that is really interesting.

00:23:52 ◼   ► And it made me think, so back in the day,

00:23:56 ◼   ► way back in the day, I used a Motorola Droid for a while.

00:24:00 ◼   ► - Droid.

00:24:01 ◼   ► - And it, like a lot of Android phones in the day

00:24:04 ◼   ► had a LED like status light.

00:24:08 ◼   ► And there were apps you could download

00:24:09 ◼   ► that would change what the LED status light could do.

00:24:14 ◼   ► So like if I got a work email, it could flash red,

00:24:16 ◼   ► or if I had a text message, it could flash green.

00:24:19 ◼   ► And I don't think Apple should do that,

00:24:21 ◼   ► But I just remember how cool it was

00:24:24 ◼   ► that I had control over like how the hardware worked

00:24:26 ◼   ► the way I, I can make it do what I wanted it to do

00:24:30 ◼   ► in a way that the iPhone kind of never has had.

00:24:34 ◼   ► And so I hope that they do this

00:24:35 ◼   ► and I hope they just open it up and like,

00:24:38 ◼   ► in a way that even beyond the Apple Watch Ultra

00:24:40 ◼   ► where this could really be like different people

00:24:42 ◼   ► could use it for different things however they want.

00:24:45 ◼   ► I think in particular, there's a lot of interesting things

00:24:48 ◼   ► they could do with accessibility

00:24:51 ◼   ► because you can in iOS have that floating pallet

00:24:55 ◼   ► and you can tie some accessibility controls into that.

00:24:59 ◼   ► But how great would it be if you could double click

00:25:02 ◼   ► or triple click or touch or swipe or something,

00:25:04 ◼   ► this action button, and it changes modes

00:25:08 ◼   ► in terms of accessibility, depending on what you're doing.

00:25:10 ◼   ► Like so many cool things that come out of this

00:25:13 ◼   ► and I am super psyched for it.

00:25:15 ◼   ► - I like the idea for us.

00:25:18 ◼   ► - I'm unconvinced for the average user still about like,

00:25:22 ◼   ► you press the button, what does it mean?

00:25:24 ◼   ► Like, are you muted or not?

00:25:26 ◼   ► Like, you know, I feel like we will be able to work that out

00:25:30 ◼   ► but I don't know, right?

00:25:32 ◼   ► Like if the Switch will be better or not for most people,

00:25:35 ◼   ► but would I like the idea of a customizable button

00:25:38 ◼   ► I could do anything with?

00:25:39 ◼   ► Yes, I very much would like that, right?

00:25:42 ◼   ► 'Cause that tap back thing never worked for me.

00:25:44 ◼   ► Like in a way that felt good

00:25:47 ◼   ► And I know it was just like taking advantage

00:25:49 ◼   ► of an accessibility feature, but this would,

00:25:51 ◼   ► I assume, do more of that.

00:25:53 ◼   ► Like I would really love to be able to,

00:25:55 ◼   ► as many people have said,

00:25:56 ◼   ► like have a button to take a picture, right?

00:25:58 ◼   ► Like that feels like something that would be pretty cool.

00:26:01 ◼   ► I know you can do it with the volume stuff,

00:26:03 ◼   ► but I don't know, maybe it'd be nicer

00:26:05 ◼   ► to actually just have like a real button you could press

00:26:07 ◼   ► and just like, oh, that's cool.

00:26:08 ◼   ► Yeah, and just like a bunch of things.

00:26:10 ◼   ► It would be nice, right?

00:26:11 ◼   ► Like I just said, like triple click it, get a flashlight,

00:26:14 ◼   ► double click it, and I don't know,

00:26:17 ◼   ► send a text to Steven.

00:26:18 ◼   ► - Ooh, like that. - Fun.

00:26:20 ◼   ► But I guess my question is though,

00:26:23 ◼   ► you two have action buttons, right?

00:26:25 ◼   ► It doesn't really feel like you're using your action buttons

00:26:27 ◼   ► to the, like to their full list.

00:26:29 ◼   ► So do you really think the iPhone action button

00:26:32 ◼   ► would be better than the watch action button?

00:26:33 ◼   ► - How would you know I'm not using it to the fullest?

00:26:35 ◼   ► What?

00:26:36 ◼   ► - 'Cause we told him we're both using it for the flashlight.

00:26:39 ◼   ► - No, I changed it again.

00:26:40 ◼   ► - Oh, what are you doing?

00:26:42 ◼   ► - Ah, just running my shortcut to save ideas in Notion.

00:26:46 ◼   ► I figured out--

00:26:47 ◼   ► - Oh, so it's a Notion button.

00:26:50 ◼   ► - Notion button.

00:26:51 ◼   ► - Notion Nation, yes.

00:26:52 ◼   ► It's a Notion action.

00:26:55 ◼   ► Notion action, yes.

00:26:57 ◼   ► - I do worry that they're not gonna push it

00:27:00 ◼   ► as far as we want.

00:27:01 ◼   ► That it'll basically be what the Apple Watch is,

00:27:03 ◼   ► which like, it would be cool.

00:27:04 ◼   ► Now, it'd be cool to tie it to a shortcut

00:27:06 ◼   ► and that would get a lot of people,

00:27:08 ◼   ► you know, a lot of different places on iOS,

00:27:11 ◼   ► but who knows?

00:27:13 ◼   ► What did y'all think about the part of this rumor

00:27:16 ◼   ► it was in one of the MacRumors stories about it being like swipable where you

00:27:21 ◼   ► could like swipe the volume up or down. Now that is something I've wanted for a

00:27:28 ◼   ► long time. Okay. From Android phones. Mmm. Where you could swipe the fingerprint

00:27:34 ◼   ► sensors and get the notifications to come down. Yeah that is cool. Now I would

00:27:39 ◼   ► love that or like if you're reading an article, got a phone in your hand, you just

00:27:44 ◼   ► swipe like a thumb like oh my god it's like blackberries when they had the

00:27:48 ◼   ► wheels give it to me that's all I want you wanna like you wanna what you want

00:27:56 ◼   ► to swipe on the buttons you've just reinvented the digital crowd a crown

00:28:03 ◼   ► sideways on my iPhone I just feel like it would be more comfortable with the

00:28:08 ◼   ► way that I hold my phone because I got my thumb where the button is right now

00:28:11 ◼   ► If I just move my thumb up and down rather than like doing the swipe on the thing, like

00:28:15 ◼   ► that would be kind of cool.

00:28:17 ◼   ► But realistically, my main thing would be like, I would love to be able to use it to

00:28:21 ◼   ► pull down the notifications without reaching up for the notifications.

00:28:25 ◼   ► Because like it's effectively what reachability can do for you without needing to have reachability,

00:28:31 ◼   ► right?

00:28:32 ◼   ► That it brings that activation field down lower.

00:28:34 ◼   ► Plus, I don't know what you guys feel about this if you have this issue.

00:28:39 ◼   ► the dynamic island it is way more complicated to get the notifications to come down.

00:28:46 ◼   ► I feel like I'm spending way more time in control center than I want to be.

00:28:51 ◼   ► Like I'm finding this with my iPhone.

00:28:52 ◼   ► I mean the iPhone is big too right so I'm trying to do it one handed with my right hand

00:28:56 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:28:57 ◼   ► Trying to get to the right area to get the notification shade to come down is complicated

00:29:03 ◼   ► So I'm struggling with that a little bit.

00:29:06 ◼   ► But so I would quite like to be able to swipe down on the,

00:29:11 ◼   ► say, the power button or whatever,

00:29:12 ◼   ► and get the notification straw to come down.

00:29:14 ◼   ► That'd be pretty cool.

00:29:16 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:29:17 ◼   ► And maybe that part could also be programmable, actually.

00:29:20 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, two swipes down and one swipe up.

00:29:24 ◼   ► Send a message to my mom.

00:29:26 ◼   ► You know?

00:29:27 ◼   ► Let's go wild with this one.

00:29:29 ◼   ► Three swipes up and one swipe to the left.

00:29:31 ◼   ► Activate my favorite Siri shortcut.

00:29:33 ◼   ► you know, like all that kind of stuff.

00:29:35 ◼   ► That's what I want to do.

00:29:36 ◼   ► - What you've done is you've turned the side of the iPhone

00:29:41 ◼   ► into like the world's tiniest,

00:29:43 ◼   ► but most complicated track pad.

00:29:46 ◼   ► How many gestures can you fit in something

00:29:47 ◼   ► that's an eighth of an inch wide?

00:29:51 ◼   ► Anything else about this?

00:29:52 ◼   ► I mean, it seems like there's a lot of smoke here

00:29:54 ◼   ► that these buttons are going to change.

00:29:56 ◼   ► I think it's just a matter of how much Apple,

00:29:59 ◼   ► how much functionality Apple can and wants to put in there.

00:30:02 ◼   ► I do think this is one of those times

00:30:05 ◼   ► where Apple looks at this as like,

00:30:07 ◼   ► okay, we wanna get rid of these buttons for whatever reason.

00:30:10 ◼   ► So that's like a negative, right?

00:30:11 ◼   ► We wanna like take something away from the phone,

00:30:13 ◼   ► but in its place, we could do something new and cooler.

00:30:17 ◼   ► And sometimes that works for Apple.

00:30:18 ◼   ► Other times we get the touch bar.

00:30:20 ◼   ► And so I'm cautiously optimistic about this,

00:30:23 ◼   ► but just thinking about other times

00:30:25 ◼   ► where Apple has really redefined its hardware

00:30:29 ◼   ► and have had to walk it back has been,

00:30:32 ◼   ► that's not unprecedented either.

00:30:34 ◼   ► - And I just feel like, I also feel like it would be

00:30:37 ◼   ► very much like an Apple thing to do to, you know,

00:30:41 ◼   ► move away from a physical button that does one thing

00:30:44 ◼   ► and one thing only to a more sort of customizable thing.

00:30:48 ◼   ► I mean, that was like, you know,

00:30:50 ◼   ► if you really wanna do the throwback, you know,

00:30:52 ◼   ► to the iPhone introduction keynote,

00:30:56 ◼   ► when jobs said, like, what we don't love about these existing current smartphones is that

00:31:03 ◼   ► they have this keyboard and this keyboard in the lower half, you know, it's always going

00:31:07 ◼   ► to be stuck like that. It can never be changed. And the great thing about software is that

00:31:11 ◼   ► you can change it. And so if you think about it, it will be very much an Apple move to

00:31:15 ◼   ► say, well, why do we have a physical button in our most important device that does one

00:31:21 ◼   ► something only and we realize over the years that only, I don't know, 15% of people use

00:31:27 ◼   ► it on a regular basis and maybe 85% of people or something or just it doesn't have to be

00:31:32 ◼   ► that big but like what if even 60% of people never touch it and they always keep it in

00:31:37 ◼   ► silent mode wouldn't it be worth it to say well maybe we should make it a more software

00:31:44 ◼   ► thing, you know?

00:31:46 ◼   ► Mmm-hmm why I mean I have what who needs a stylus I have ten of these fingers

00:31:51 ◼   ► that can tap buttons you know who needs a stylus for the button not me.

00:31:56 ◼   ► What if it's a touch sensitive button, a smart connector and a periscope camera?

00:32:03 ◼   ► Are you getting it? These are not three sides of the phone they're one side.

00:32:08 ◼   ► What did he say a full what if it's a full sized button with touch sensitive

00:32:14 ◼   ► controls. Yeah. That's good. There was just something in the way that you said it, like

00:32:21 ◼   ► the tone of your voice was what made me know you were making that joke. That's kind of

00:32:26 ◼   ► incredible right? That's how ingrained that moment is in our like history. These are not

00:32:33 ◼   ► separate devices. This is one device.

00:32:38 ◼   ► And we are calling it iPhone. Today, today Apple is going to reinvent the phone.

00:32:53 ◼   ► And just internet communicator was just a dud. It turns out that's all the phone

00:32:57 ◼   ► is really at the end of the day. Remember the music app was called iPod for so

00:33:01 ◼   ► long do you ever just think about that? It's so strange. Well I don't normally think about that

00:33:07 ◼   ► but it sounds like you do all the time. Yeah that seems like but like what a demotion though right

00:33:14 ◼   ► like can you imagine if they released the headset and there was an app called iPhone?

00:33:20 ◼   ► Yeah right like the iPod was like the biggest thing in the world and they were just like oh

00:33:27 ◼   ► Oh, we're just reducing that to just a piece of software on our new device.

00:33:32 ◼   ► I guess the real one would be like, if the, yeah, like Mike has just said it in the discord,

00:33:36 ◼   ► if we had a Mac app on the iPad or something, right?

00:33:40 ◼   ► Like which is what we want.

00:33:41 ◼   ► I mean, it's what I want there to be.

00:33:43 ◼   ► You're going to have a Mac app on the headset.

00:33:45 ◼   ► It's just going to be called Mac and you click it or I don't know, tap it.

00:33:50 ◼   ► In all seriousness, I could actually imagine that one.

00:33:53 ◼   ► Yes.

00:33:54 ◼   ► Right?

00:33:55 ◼   ► There's an app just called Mac and it's how you get to the stuff.

00:33:59 ◼   ► To your desktop environment, yes.

00:34:01 ◼   ► I actually, like, they should just do Mac app on the iPad too and it's like virtualization

00:34:07 ◼   ► for macOS.

00:34:08 ◼   ► Or, or, here's an idea.

00:34:12 ◼   ► And I would actually, this is silly, but hear me out.

00:34:18 ◼   ► So if the headset is gonna have a Mac OS, sort of a wireless streaming mode or you know

00:34:25 ◼   ► that basically you connect to your computer, I wouldn't hate it, alright, if the iPad could

00:34:33 ◼   ► do it too.

00:34:34 ◼   ► Like, okay, I'm gonna keep my Mac somewhere in the house and just go, eh, because you

00:34:40 ◼   ► know it's gonna be better than doing VNC, which is what I do now from time to time.

00:34:46 ◼   ► You know, you could be in the headset, virtualizing to your Mac.

00:34:52 ◼   ► Yes.

00:34:53 ◼   ► You then go with universal control to your iPad and you turn the reality dial and you

00:35:04 ◼   ► go into, like, and now you're looking at the iPad.

00:35:08 ◼   ► That's your future Federico.

00:35:09 ◼   ► You're aware of this?

00:35:10 ◼   ► So I'm wearing the headset.

00:35:12 ◼   ► Okay.

00:35:13 ◼   ► We're in the headset.

00:35:14 ◼   ► There's an iPad and Mac.

00:35:15 ◼   ► No, it's just a Mac.

00:35:16 ◼   ► - No iPad.

00:35:17 ◼   ► - Okay, so when you say universal control,

00:35:20 ◼   ► where's the iPad?

00:35:22 ◼   ► - The iPad's physically in front of you.

00:35:24 ◼   ► You just want to control the iPad.

00:35:25 ◼   ► You need to do something on the iPad,

00:35:27 ◼   ► but you don't have your Mac plugged in,

00:35:28 ◼   ► it's just in a closet, right?

00:35:30 ◼   ► So you have to, in the headset, use the Mac,

00:35:34 ◼   ► move the mouse over, turn the dial,

00:35:36 ◼   ► now you're in AR mode and you can use the iPad.

00:35:39 ◼   ► That's your future.

00:35:40 ◼   ► - If that's not gonna work, I'm gonna be so upset.

00:35:44 ◼   ► Now that you say it, it needs to be a feature.

00:35:47 ◼   ► Like, let me turn dial and hop onto iPadOS

00:35:52 ◼   ► and then come back.

00:35:54 ◼   ► Yeah, very, very meta.

00:35:56 ◼   ► That's it.

00:35:56 ◼   ► - I think we're in for a while.

00:35:57 ◼   ► - No, that's a different company.

00:35:58 ◼   ► - That's a different company.

00:35:59 ◼   ► No, I didn't mean the company.

00:36:01 ◼   ► - I'm putting a screenshot in the Discord.

00:36:05 ◼   ► - It's gonna look like that.

00:36:06 ◼   ► It's gonna look like that. - That's what's gonna happen.

00:36:07 ◼   ► So this is a real screenshot that happened to me

00:36:10 ◼   ► probably like 15 years ago,

00:36:11 ◼   ► where you accidentally VNC into the Mac that you were VNC'd into.

00:36:16 ◼   ► And it is like an infinity mirror. Yes. Yes.

00:36:19 ◼   ► But for a way, how did this happen?

00:36:22 ◼   ► You VNC'd. I VNC'd into the computer

00:36:25 ◼   ► that I was VNC'd into already or you would have been a loop somehow

00:36:30 ◼   ► because you can see the window names like wiki mini and then Mac server,

00:36:34 ◼   ► wiki mini Mac server.

00:36:35 ◼   ► This was at a client's forever. I work on an installed DVD.

00:36:40 ◼   ► Look at those icons. Handbrake is on there.

00:36:42 ◼   ► Dymo.

00:36:44 ◼   ► Dymo!

00:36:45 ◼   ► The ASD folder.

00:36:47 ◼   ► MacData.

00:36:48 ◼   ► -Ooh. -MacData.

00:36:49 ◼   ► -MacData. -What is the little Mac?

00:36:52 ◼   ► -What do you mean? -MacData.

00:36:54 ◼   ► There's a Mac.

00:36:55 ◼   ► There's like an old Mac in the dock.

00:36:57 ◼   ► That's MacTracker.

00:36:58 ◼   ► -The old MacTracker icon. -I like how you say it like that.

00:37:01 ◼   ► Like, I should just know.

00:37:02 ◼   ► Well, obviously, that's MacTracker.

00:37:04 ◼   ► -That's MacTracker to me. -The MacTracker app

00:37:05 ◼   ► -that everybody obviously has. -Come on.

00:37:06 ◼   ► Is that Word 2003?

00:37:08 ◼   ► It's an old version of Word.

00:37:10 ◼   ► That's the best logo.

00:37:12 ◼   ► What is that X next to it?

00:37:13 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:37:14 ◼   ► I have no idea.

00:37:14 ◼   ► Excel, probably.

00:37:15 ◼   ► We're roasting a doc from 2000.

00:37:18 ◼   ► You're roasting a doc from...

00:37:20 ◼   ► Let me see what year this was.

00:37:21 ◼   ► That's actually a nice idea.

00:37:23 ◼   ► Like, for the future, we should consider this.

00:37:26 ◼   ► Like, roast my old home screen.

00:37:28 ◼   ► Oh, that's good.

00:37:29 ◼   ► Mike, put down the document.

00:37:31 ◼   ► Yeah, one to it, one to it.

00:37:32 ◼   ► What is the A with wings and what is that weird hat?

00:37:35 ◼   ► I want to know all of this.

00:37:37 ◼   ► Is that have bowtie?

00:37:39 ◼   ► I don't know what it is.

00:37:40 ◼   ► This is a client computer I was on and then on again and again and again and again.

00:37:45 ◼   ► And that client had Mac tracker?

00:37:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:47 ◼   ► Apparently.

00:37:48 ◼   ► So many questions.

00:37:48 ◼   ► Somehow I don't believe you though.

00:37:51 ◼   ► Like that client had Mac tracker installed?

00:37:53 ◼   ► You put it there.

00:37:55 ◼   ► I know what this is.

00:37:56 ◼   ► Okay.

00:37:57 ◼   ► Wait, wait.

00:37:57 ◼   ► No, no, I got it.

00:37:58 ◼   ► How could somebody...

00:37:59 ◼   ► No, no, no, wait.

00:38:00 ◼   ► Before you answer, because I need to just come around on it, because you're going to give us the

00:38:03 ◼   ► truth, but I need to...

00:38:04 ◼   ► I'm doubling down what Federico is saying here.

00:38:05 ◼   ► Okay.

00:38:06 ◼   ► Like, and also, I think I'm starting to see something which might be what you'll

00:38:09 ◼   ► have realized. Like, I like the way that you say that, like, you have to help somebody out

00:38:14 ◼   ► with their Mac, but they have Mac tracker. How would that make any sense?

00:38:17 ◼   ► So what it is the frame. So like, the main screenshot, I remember now was the computer

00:38:24 ◼   ► in the office of my Apple authorized service provider. It was like our,

00:38:28 ◼   ► the Mac Pro we had in the shop. I was then remoting in to another machine.

00:38:34 ◼   ► Yes.

00:38:35 ◼   ► Which was remoted into my computer.

00:38:37 ◼   ► And so it was down and down we go.

00:38:42 ◼   ► So it had Mac tracker on it because I was using this computer.

00:38:45 ◼   ► OK, so the other machine is the one with the other dock.

00:38:48 ◼   ► Yes, with the more standard OS 10 server dock.

00:38:52 ◼   ► Yes, yes, yes.

00:38:53 ◼   ► So was that like a new Mac centipede or something?

00:38:56 ◼   ► I'm cutting that from the show, that's for sure.

00:38:59 ◼   ► So close.

00:39:00 ◼   ► No, I'll leave it.

00:39:03 ◼   ► Remember you made that joke about my mom?

00:39:05 ◼   ► Listeners will know by now that the edit for this maybe didn't even happen.

00:39:10 ◼   ► Maybe didn't even happen.

00:39:11 ◼   ► Maybe didn't even happen.

00:39:12 ◼   ► Maybe didn't even happen.

00:39:13 ◼   ► Maybe didn't even happen.

00:39:14 ◼   ► Maybe you just have to edit it yourself.

00:39:15 ◼   ► Maybe you're just going to get three MP3s in the feed.

00:39:17 ◼   ► Who knows?

00:39:18 ◼   ► Oh, it's like edit by numbers.

00:39:20 ◼   ► You just provide the listeners all the files and then they could just make their own show.

00:39:23 ◼   ► Remember that time that we rolled the dice and did topics based on number and you freaked

00:39:27 ◼   ► out?

00:39:28 ◼   ► I thought you were going to do that to me today.

00:39:29 ◼   ► I thought about it.

00:39:30 ◼   ► Because you referenced it on Backstage.

00:39:31 ◼   ► I know you did because you said don't forget like I was like, oh, here we go.

00:39:34 ◼   ► So all day, all this entire episode,

00:39:36 ◼   ► I've been waiting for you to bring out a dice. Yeah. Well, there's too much.

00:39:39 ◼   ► I think at this point it's too late. Too much other stuff going on.

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00:40:12 ◼   ► WWDC, not the biggest news this week. It's just not.

00:40:16 ◼   ► Because Apple Music Classical is here and everyone's freaking out about it.

00:40:20 ◼   ► A couple of evenings ago, I'm getting, I'm starting to like wind down for the day,

00:40:25 ◼   ► getting ready for bed.

00:40:26 ◼   ► And I grab my iPhone, I look at it and it says "Your pre-order is available."

00:40:30 ◼   ► like what are you talking about? It was Apple Music classical baby, Midnight

00:40:33 ◼   ► Struck! Nice! And I got in, you know, I got in and everyone I was super excited I

00:40:38 ◼   ► started googling around, googling, started searching around, binging, and uh and I

00:40:44 ◼   ► found a bunch of really weird music. There's some strange like edge cases I

00:40:49 ◼   ► feel like in this app like you imagine it's like classical music. It was like I opened

00:40:53 ◼   ► it and it said like continue listening to the Hamilton soundtracks like I don't

00:40:57 ◼   ► I don't know man, like it's about old things.

00:41:00 ◼   ► I wouldn't call it classical.

00:41:01 ◼   ► And then I just started googling around.

00:41:03 ◼   ► I found Halo for Federico.

00:41:05 ◼   ► I found some Star Wars music.

00:41:07 ◼   ► Comfort Red October was in there.

00:41:09 ◼   ► You know, it's all going on.

00:41:11 ◼   ► It just feels like basically,

00:41:13 ◼   ► I don't know how stuff's like categorized

00:41:16 ◼   ► to get into Apple Music classical,

00:41:19 ◼   ► but there's also a lot of soundtracks in there too,

00:41:24 ◼   ► which I actually think is good, right?

00:41:26 ◼   ► like it's good that it's not just Beethoven.

00:41:29 ◼   ► Like there is stuff in there which has the same edge cases

00:41:34 ◼   ► of like there was a big orchestra doing this,

00:41:36 ◼   ► like what version was it, you know?

00:41:38 ◼   ► Like a lot of the video game music that I've found

00:41:41 ◼   ► is like orchestral covers of video game music

00:41:45 ◼   ► included in some thing somewhere, right?

00:41:47 ◼   ► But I'll be honest, like I've poked around

00:41:50 ◼   ► and I'm not the person here.

00:41:52 ◼   ► like I don't understand what people get out of this app, right? Like I know it has a bunch

00:41:58 ◼   ► of metadata, but like I don't understand why any of that metadata is necessarily interesting,

00:42:05 ◼   ► but like I know people care. So like I'm not saying it's bad to care. I'm just like in

00:42:09 ◼   ► my looking around of the app, I don't get it. My favorite thing, and I wished I could

00:42:14 ◼   ► use it for all of my music, is that it features Apple's New York font, which is my favorite

00:42:19 ◼   ► font that Apple make. It's good fun. I have my file structure in Obsidian is using the

00:42:27 ◼   ► New York font. Pretty cool, right?

00:42:29 ◼   ► Really? You use that in Obsidian?

00:42:31 ◼   ► I use it for the file browser on the side.

00:42:34 ◼   ► That's a choice? Okay.

00:42:35 ◼   ► You got some sweet serifs over there, man.

00:42:37 ◼   ► Yeah. But that's all the important stuff. And then my actual text in my notes is in

00:42:43 ◼   ► San Francisco Rounded.

00:42:45 ◼   ► I like SF Rounded a lot.

00:42:46 ◼   ► I guess SF Rounded is very comfortable in the eyes. Yeah, then like, you know, I've got like it's like, you know, mm-hmm

00:42:53 ◼   ► It's like nice nice fancy like official stuff on the sidebar and it's all in New York. That's that's that's nice. I

00:43:00 ◼   ► too

00:43:02 ◼   ► lack the

00:43:04 ◼   ► full

00:43:05 ◼   ► Appreciation of this type of music to understand this app and I was looking around today

00:43:09 ◼   ► I was like surely someone has reviewed this from the standpoint of I

00:43:13 ◼   ► I listen to classical music and this is what I think is an informed, mature person.

00:43:18 ◼   ► Kirk McClurean wrote that over on Tidbit, so that'll be a link in the show notes.

00:43:22 ◼   ► Kirk McElhone. It really is. This is Kirk McElhone.

00:43:25 ◼   ► Me and Jason were talking about him recently as a person at Macworld who loved classical music.

00:43:30 ◼   ► Oh!

00:43:30 ◼   ► And iTunes! Used to have a column about iTunes, I think.

00:43:33 ◼   ► Oh, that's why I know the name!

00:43:35 ◼   ► Yeah!

00:43:36 ◼   ► Yeah!

00:43:37 ◼   ► And me and Jason were talking about, "Oh, I hope Kirk McElhone writes a review

00:43:42 ◼   ► because he's wanted this forever and here it is.

00:43:46 ◼   ► So this is the, this is like for Kirk,

00:43:50 ◼   ► this is like Kirk McElhern, the Apple Music classical review, right?

00:43:54 ◼   ► Like this is like, you know, it's like the Federico style for Iowa.

00:43:58 ◼   ► Like this is everything he's wanted maybe. I don't know.

00:44:01 ◼   ► I didn't see this review. I'm happy it exists. I didn't know where it'd be.

00:44:04 ◼   ► I will now read it. Not now, but I will read it. No, read it out loud.

00:44:08 ◼   ► It's okay. In the mid 2000s, I was approached by,

00:44:11 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:44:13 ◼   ► - So yeah, so it does seem like this is one of those things

00:44:17 ◼   ► that's hard to evaluate unless you're in this world.

00:44:19 ◼   ► You know, I feel this way,

00:44:22 ◼   ► I preemptively feel this way about the headset

00:44:24 ◼   ► - Right. - a little bit,

00:44:25 ◼   ► which is why I'm glad like the two of you and John

00:44:28 ◼   ► and others are spending time with the products

00:44:30 ◼   ► that are out now.

00:44:30 ◼   ► So collectively we can have some experience with it.

00:44:35 ◼   ► Of course, we also need to talk about

00:44:36 ◼   ► like what this app doesn't have, right?

00:44:38 ◼   ► we've mentioned before, no iPad app, no Mac app.

00:44:42 ◼   ► There's not even a CarPlay version of it,

00:44:44 ◼   ► which I talked about in Macedon and someone replied that,

00:44:48 ◼   ► well, maybe it's for like more formal listening.

00:44:50 ◼   ► I think they just didn't get it done.

00:44:51 ◼   ► Like clearly this was rushed 'cause they missed the deadline

00:44:56 ◼   ► and it's only on the iPhone.

00:44:57 ◼   ► You can't tell me that was the plan all along, so.

00:45:00 ◼   ► - Right, but this is the thing I don't understand though.

00:45:03 ◼   ► Considering they missed the deadline,

00:45:05 ◼   ► why did it need to be rushed?

00:45:07 ◼   ► You've already missed a deadline.

00:45:09 ◼   ► You know, a missed deadline never misses

00:45:13 ◼   ► and a deadline is missed always.

00:45:16 ◼   ► That's the quote, right?

00:45:17 ◼   ► - Is this, what was that once and upon,

00:45:20 ◼   ► what was that last week?

00:45:21 ◼   ► - A once if upon.

00:45:22 ◼   ► I actually listened back to that part

00:45:23 ◼   ► of the episode last week.

00:45:24 ◼   ► I think something went wrong with me.

00:45:26 ◼   ► - No, your brain broke is what happened.

00:45:29 ◼   ► - It was really bad

00:45:30 ◼   ► and it was very funny for me listening back.

00:45:31 ◼   ► I'm doing, you know, this is the quote

00:45:33 ◼   ► from the Nintendo guy, right?

00:45:35 ◼   ► A missed deadline is always missed

00:45:37 ◼   ► and a deadline not missed can always be deadlined or something like that.

00:45:40 ◼   ► Right Federico? You know video games.

00:45:42 ◼   ► It was a rushed game is forever bad, the delayed game is eventually good.

00:45:48 ◼   ► Is that what you're thinking of? Yes.

00:45:49 ◼   ► Yeah. Although I heard recently that that is apparently misattributed.

00:45:54 ◼   ► He never said that.

00:45:55 ◼   ► Well, that's the funny thing about quotes, right?

00:45:58 ◼   ► Anybody can make them up.

00:46:00 ◼   ► So...

00:46:01 ◼   ► I think it's one of those things where like actually somebody else said it

00:46:05 ◼   ► in an interview with him, but it was never actually known that he was the one who said

00:46:09 ◼   ► it.

00:46:10 ◼   ► And he just nodded.

00:46:11 ◼   ► And they're like "Oh he agrees, he agrees!"

00:46:13 ◼   ► He didn't agree at all.

00:46:15 ◼   ► And he's just going along with it.

00:46:20 ◼   ► Anyway, I did play around with Apple Music Classical.

00:46:25 ◼   ► Again, I'm not the guy for this type of app and service.

00:46:31 ◼   ► I'm super glad they did it.

00:46:33 ◼   ► Like we spoke about, I think classical music has some really unique requirements compared

00:46:39 ◼   ► to pop music.

00:46:40 ◼   ► And in fact, even as someone who doesn't appreciate or understand classical music enough, I will

00:46:46 ◼   ► tell you that the best screen of Apple Music Classical, which I hope Apple will consider

00:46:53 ◼   ► maybe in a lighter version in the future, is the metadata screen for when you want to

00:47:01 ◼   ► check out the info of the... do you call them songs in classical music or pieces?

00:47:07 ◼   ► What do you call them?

00:47:08 ◼   ► Movements? I don't know man. I'm just saying words now.

00:47:13 ◼   ► The thing you're listening to, if you tap on the info button, you get like essentially a credits screen,

00:47:22 ◼   ► like a metadata screen that tells you like the composer and the, you know, the work and the orchestra,

00:47:29 ◼   ► and all of those are clickable items, that's excellent.

00:47:33 ◼   ► That's exactly the sort of stuff that I would like to see in Apple Music

00:47:38 ◼   ► for a more general public.

00:47:40 ◼   ► There are utilities for this, like for example, MusicSmart.

00:47:43 ◼   ► I've been using MusicSmart forever.

00:47:46 ◼   ► It's made by the same developer who makes MusicBox and Play,

00:47:52 ◼   ► excellent media utilities.

00:47:54 ◼   ► And MusicSmart is like an action extension that you can run

00:47:58 ◼   ► as you're listening to stuff in Apple Music and it tells you, okay, for this song from Apple Music,

00:48:03 ◼   ► here's the mixing engineer and the production engineer and here's who plays the cello and here's

00:48:08 ◼   ► who plays drums and you can tap in on the names of these people and see more of their work. Like

00:48:14 ◼   ► this sort of metadata that can help you discover other albums or works by other people, that's

00:48:21 ◼   ► lovely. Apple Music Classical has this baked in, which is the right thing to do for this type of

00:48:28 ◼   ► of music, but I would love to see a version of this eventually in Apple

00:48:32 ◼   ► Music as well. And I actually think that Spotify has this sort of screen, not as

00:48:40 ◼   ► detailed, of course, as MusicSmart, and I also think that Tidal shows you full

00:48:46 ◼   ► credits for songs you're listening to.

00:48:48 ◼   ► I think you're right, because I have a

00:48:51 ◼   ► memory of you saying that was something you liked about Tidal, that it had that metadata in it.

00:48:57 ◼   ► They have that, I'm pretty sure they have that, yeah.

00:48:59 ◼   ► Which makes sense. Is Jack Dorsey still on that?

00:49:02 ◼   ► That's the thing that happened, right?

00:49:04 ◼   ► Oh, Jack Dorsey, yeah, that guy.

00:49:06 ◼   ► Tidal...

00:49:07 ◼   ► What is he doing now? Crypto something?

00:49:10 ◼   ► No, he's making a Twitter replacement.

00:49:12 ◼   ► Oh yeah, but...

00:49:13 ◼   ► Bluebird.

00:49:15 ◼   ► Bluebird?

00:49:16 ◼   ► What's it called?

00:49:16 ◼   ► No, no, it's got a different name.

00:49:19 ◼   ► No, it's Blue... Blue...

00:49:21 ◼   ► Blue Sky?

00:49:22 ◼   ► Wave?

00:49:23 ◼   ► No, no, Blue Sky.

00:49:25 ◼   ► Blueground?

00:49:25 ◼   ► No.

00:49:26 ◼   ► Jack Dorsey new Twitter. Blue Twitter. Blue block. Blue Sky. Someone said that already.

00:49:30 ◼   ► It's Blue Sky y'all. Guys. No. Blue Sky. Blue Sky. Yeah it's right there. It's in the TechCrunch article.

00:49:36 ◼   ► On March 2nd 2021 it was announced that financial technology company Square had reached an agreement

00:49:41 ◼   ► to acquire the majority ownership of Tumblr I think right? No of Tidal. What is happening?

00:49:52 ◼   ► I'm concerned about Mike lately.

00:49:55 ◼   ► What are you talking about?

00:49:56 ◼   ► I was on...

00:49:57 ◼   ► There's nothing... I was doing it right.

00:49:59 ◼   ► I was doing it right, Stevenson Tumblr.

00:50:03 ◼   ► I was just reading.

00:50:06 ◼   ► What did I do?

00:50:09 ◼   ► No, I'm not concerned anymore.

00:50:10 ◼   ► Okay. Well, that was fast.

00:50:12 ◼   ► You changed my mind.

00:50:14 ◼   ► I don't know if I should be happy about that.

00:50:15 ◼   ► You changed my mind.

00:50:16 ◼   ► I think you were concerned and then became too unconcerned.

00:50:19 ◼   ► I am very easily swayed as a person.

00:50:22 ◼   ► Yes.

00:50:23 ◼   ► Okay.

00:50:24 ◼   ► Why are we talking about Jack Dorsey?

00:50:25 ◼   ► Because he, he.

00:50:27 ◼   ► We should be talking about this next item in the list,

00:50:31 ◼   ► which my brain read as Steven in the wild,

00:50:35 ◼   ► but it's not Steven in the wild.

00:50:39 ◼   ► The item is labeled Shazam in the wild.

00:50:42 ◼   ► Shazam in the wild.

00:50:43 ◼   ► This happened to me just yesterday.

00:50:46 ◼   ► I was working at a coffee shop.

00:50:48 ◼   ► I was kind of in between things.

00:50:49 ◼   ► little time so I popped in and sitting there you know doing some stuff my laptop during a drink

00:50:56 ◼   ► and I notice across the coffee shop a guy's holding his phone above his head and this

00:51:01 ◼   ► coffee shop has music playing in the background. Mike has the place I've taken you a bunch,

00:51:06 ◼   ► you've been there plays music. Is it the place with the smoothies? Yes that's like that place

00:51:11 ◼   ► they do good breakfast. It's good so he has his he's he's sitting there with someone across the

00:51:17 ◼   ► the table but he has his phone up like his arm is fully outstretched over his

00:51:21 ◼   ► head and then he notices me looking at him we make eye contact and he like

00:51:27 ◼   ► yanks his arm down it's like I already saw you and I know what you're doing

00:51:32 ◼   ► you're Shazaming but I didn't go ask him because I would have been that would

00:51:37 ◼   ► have made an uncomfortable situation even more uncomfortable but he had a

00:51:40 ◼   ► been Shazaming what else could he been doing? Had to be. Had to be. I'm too slow so

00:51:46 ◼   ► this isn't funny but like you know you're saying about like Steven in the

00:51:48 ◼   ► wild shit my the what the joke that I had that came too slowly was the legend

00:51:53 ◼   ► of Shazam Steven in the wild oh that's good I just wanted to say it like so

00:51:59 ◼   ► I've said it now but I know it's not funny because it was too slow that's

00:52:03 ◼   ► just how it goes sometimes if you were nicer to me you know I could have like

00:52:06 ◼   ► dropped that in the edit more it's okay because if to get that I have to you

00:52:11 ◼   ► would then remove the joke about my well you made the joke about my oh yeah no

00:52:15 ◼   ► it'd be a trade for sure. Yeah and so I'm not I'm not willing to trade that I want

00:52:18 ◼   ► people to hear how you are. We've been a bit crazy today and I think we're still

00:52:22 ◼   ► gonna be on that kick but I actually this is a serious moment like I want to

00:52:26 ◼   ► bring the mood for a moment just to just to a pause because there's something

00:52:30 ◼   ► that we should talk about Federico do you want to talk about Alex Hay?

00:52:36 ◼   ► Alex Heye was the developer and creator of Toolbox Pro, of Logger, it was known for his GitHub repo, Buki,

00:52:51 ◼   ► which is a series of tips and code for getting started with implementing shortcuts actions,

00:52:58 ◼   ► if you're a developer on Apple platforms.

00:53:01 ◼   ► Most people listening probably heard of Alex

00:53:05 ◼   ► because of Toolbox Pro, an amazing utility

00:53:07 ◼   ► for sort of enhancing shortcuts with additional actions

00:53:11 ◼   ► that I first reviewed in 2019

00:53:15 ◼   ► and that I kept following over the years

00:53:17 ◼   ► as sort of the example of sort of what you can do

00:53:20 ◼   ► with shortcuts thanks to the native framework for actions.

00:53:25 ◼   ► And Alex passed away a couple of weeks ago.

00:53:30 ◼   ► after a battle with cancer, unfortunately, and he was 36. And I knew that Alex wasn't doing well.

00:53:43 ◼   ► Because here's the thing about Alex. One of the most talented and creative and kind indie developers

00:53:57 ◼   ► I've ever had the pleasure to communicate with, to work with.

00:54:01 ◼   ► We never met in real life in person, but to paint you a picture is the kind of guy that

00:54:09 ◼   ► it was always open for suggestions and ideas and feature requests.

00:54:14 ◼   ► And a couple of years ago, I sent him a DM on Twitter and I'm like, "Hey, I was thinking

00:54:21 ◼   ► about such and such feature in Toolbox Pro and I just wanted to send you a note."

00:54:26 ◼   ► And he replied after a couple of days, and he apologized.

00:54:31 ◼   ► And he tells me, "I'm so sorry, you're right.

00:54:34 ◼   ► "I haven't gotten, sorry for the late reply,

00:54:37 ◼   ► "and I haven't gotten to this feature,

00:54:38 ◼   ► "but work on Toolbox Pro lately has been kind of messy

00:54:42 ◼   ► "because I was diagnosed with cancer."

00:54:45 ◼   ► And I'm like, "Dude, you don't need to apologize."

00:54:49 ◼   ► And we talked a bunch about that.

00:54:54 ◼   ► And I was hoping that he was doing better.

00:54:57 ◼   ► And then early last week, soon after he passed,

00:55:02 ◼   ► we got a note from a close friend of his

00:55:08 ◼   ► who was also in touch with his family.

00:55:10 ◼   ► And it really shook me for the entire week.

00:55:15 ◼   ► I was not expecting this.

00:55:19 ◼   ► And it's such a tragedy, honestly.

00:55:24 ◼   ► And I was hoping that it was doing better.

00:55:29 ◼   ► But yeah, later I discovered that Alex had posted about three weeks ago on the subreddit for the upcoming video game Starfield,

00:55:46 ◼   ► saying I'm very bummed that the game was delayed because I've been diagnosed with terminal cancer,

00:55:54 ◼   ► I'm on palliative care at my parents house and I probably won't get to play this game

00:56:00 ◼   ► because it's been delayed to September I think.

00:56:03 ◼   ► And later, once I read this I was like yeah, being new unfortunately and this is such a

00:56:12 ◼   ► a tragedy and a huge loss in the Apple, iOS automation communities.

00:56:19 ◼   ► And as soon as I heard, I had the thought of, you know, none of the...

00:56:27 ◼   ► This idea that I had, it doesn't... none of this matters, in the sense that

00:56:31 ◼   ► it doesn't do anything to alleviate the pain of Alex's loss.

00:56:37 ◼   ► But I thought maybe we can do something to honor his memory,

00:56:44 ◼   ► to make sure that people remember his name,

00:56:47 ◼   ► and that his name remains known in this community,

00:56:51 ◼   ► in this little thing that we do in this small corner

00:56:56 ◼   ► of humanity, that his name is out there,

00:57:00 ◼   ► you know, for what it did in this community in his lifetime.

00:57:04 ◼   ► And so I thought, the least I can do is, you know, this year's Automation April, which

00:57:10 ◼   ► is an event about automation, the thing he loved.

00:57:14 ◼   ► We would like to do it in his name and as Max Stories, you know, donate to a couple

00:57:19 ◼   ► of charities for cancer research in the US and in the UK where he was based.

00:57:24 ◼   ► We checked with his family because obviously we wanted to have the blessing of his family.

00:57:29 ◼   ► It's like, hey, can we do this?

00:57:31 ◼   ► Can we have your permission to do this?

00:57:34 ◼   ► And apparently, you know, they told us, you know, Alex was so, it was also the kind of

00:57:42 ◼   ► person who, you know, I discovered that his friends like only recently found out about

00:57:50 ◼   ► like his side career as an iOS developer.

00:57:53 ◼   ► It's like, and he was so humble and kind, it's like he never bragged about it.

00:58:00 ◼   ► he had a main job as a sort of a documentary editor, I think. And so, yeah, this is, I

00:58:09 ◼   ► just wanted to talk about this for a couple of minutes here. You know, we can and we should

00:58:16 ◼   ► get serious on this show when needed. Alex was a friend and a developer I loved working

00:58:24 ◼   ► with and the creator of one of the most incredible indie utilities I've seen in recent years.

00:58:31 ◼   ► So if you, you know, spare, if you were a user of one of his apps or a developer who

00:58:39 ◼   ► found this work for the bookie repo useful, you know, spare a thought for Alex, if you

00:58:45 ◼   ► can. And as we wrote on Mac stories, as John wrote on Mac stories, I couldn't bring myself

00:58:52 ◼   ► to write the post myself. I'm not good with these things.

00:58:56 ◼   ► -I'm not good with... -Understandably.

00:58:59 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, you know.

00:59:02 ◼   ► But as Jon wrote, you know, if you want, we encourage you.

00:59:08 ◼   ► You know, if you can donate to a cancer charity, whatever it is,

00:59:13 ◼   ► you know, it's always a good time to donate to charities, but hey, that's...

00:59:16 ◼   ► -Never a bad time. -It's never a bad time,

00:59:18 ◼   ► but it's always so human nature to be touched

00:59:21 ◼   ► by these things when they hit close to you.

00:59:23 ◼   ► There's nothing wrong about admitting that,

00:59:26 ◼   ► the way we are built as people.

00:59:28 ◼   ► So yeah, if you can do it, if you cannot do it,

00:59:31 ◼   ► it's fine, but it's important to remember

00:59:35 ◼   ► Alex, a great developer who we lost way, way too soon.

00:59:41 ◼   ► This isn't important at all in the grand scheme

00:59:46 ◼   ► of what we're talking about here, and I'd say this with

00:59:49 ◼   ► you know, nothing but the most respect for Alex's work and life and everything.

00:59:56 ◼   ► But do you know what's going to happen to his apps? Like, is there anything that can happen?

01:00:03 ◼   ► We are actually in touch with this friend of Alex who told us about his passing.

01:00:14 ◼   ► and he said, "I am going to look into whether we can do anything with this code,

01:00:23 ◼   ► whether he left any instructions, whether there's anything we can do to make sure that this,

01:00:30 ◼   ► all of this doesn't go to waste and if we can maybe find a new home for Toolbox Pro at the very least,

01:00:37 ◼   ► you know, arguably the most popular of his apps."

01:00:40 ◼   ► And also because like Toolbox Pro like was sort of Alex knew what he was doing with the

01:00:48 ◼   ► Shortcuts framework.

01:00:50 ◼   ► And it's the kind of product that at the very least, you know, if they can find a way, if

01:00:57 ◼   ► Alex's friends and family can find a way to at the very least open source it, maybe I

01:01:02 ◼   ► wouldn't know, right?

01:01:03 ◼   ► It's not my call, not my decision, but I hope it doesn't go out of waste.

01:01:08 ◼   ► But yes, it's a conversation that we're having.

01:01:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, that is his legacy.

01:01:16 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:01:16 ◼   ► - You know?

01:01:17 ◼   ► Like I know if, I can't speak for him,

01:01:20 ◼   ► but I know if I was in that situation,

01:01:22 ◼   ► I would want people to still be able to enjoy my work.

01:01:25 ◼   ► I mean, obviously you still can, right?

01:01:27 ◼   ► But at a certain point, these apps will stop working,

01:01:31 ◼   ► which again, leads into one of like

01:01:32 ◼   ► the very long ongoing conversations we've had on the show

01:01:35 ◼   ► about preservation software, right?

01:01:37 ◼   ► Yeah, we've been talking about it forever and now we're facing very closely this problem.

01:01:45 ◼   ► As time goes on these problems only occur more and more.

01:01:49 ◼   ► I mean, I would love to know, I don't know if anybody knows, is there a provision for this?

01:01:54 ◼   ► Has Apple made any tools for this, for developer accounts?

01:01:59 ◼   ► I have no idea.

01:02:00 ◼   ► Like legacy contacts for developer accounts? I don't know.

01:02:05 ◼   ► Because I know from people that have tried to sell apps that that's almost impossible to do the transfer.

01:02:10 ◼   ► So like, yeah. Yeah, anyway, that's not important. Rest in peace, Alex Hay.

01:02:17 ◼   ► You made a mark on this community, right? And nothing but love for everybody who's affected.

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01:04:55 ◼   ► - Anyway, 16.4, Ventura 3.3,

01:04:58 ◼   ► watchOS 9.4, let's see if I can get this right.

01:05:02 ◼   ► tvOS 16.4,

01:05:05 ◼   ► - .4.

01:05:06 ◼   ► - ipos 16.4,

01:05:08 ◼   ► HomePod software update,

01:05:11 ◼   ► HomePod software update.

01:05:12 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:05:14 ◼   ► - Is that the version number?

01:05:15 ◼   ► The version number's HomePod software?

01:05:17 ◼   ► - It's 16.4.

01:05:18 ◼   ► - 16.4.

01:05:20 ◼   ► Oh, I like the "I think" there at the end.

01:05:21 ◼   ► Apple Studio Display firmware update 16.4.

01:05:27 ◼   ► No?

01:05:28 ◼   ► Wait, that's all. That's all.

01:05:31 ◼   ► That's all of them.

01:05:32 ◼   ► There was also Big Sur 11.7.5.

01:05:36 ◼   ► Alright.

01:05:37 ◼   ► That's not important for this.

01:05:39 ◼   ► Big Sur.

01:05:40 ◼   ► Okay.

01:05:40 ◼   ► All of these are out.

01:05:42 ◼   ► Available as of yesterday.

01:05:45 ◼   ► In fact, we are already on the next cycle of the beta.

01:05:49 ◼   ► We'll get to that.

01:05:50 ◼   ► We'll get to that in a minute.

01:05:51 ◼   ► So we spoke about the highlights of this before.

01:05:55 ◼   ► New emoji, right?

01:05:57 ◼   ► New emoji everywhere.

01:05:58 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:05:59 ◼   ► Goose emoji is the best emoji.

01:06:00 ◼   ► The rest of them, like Adina said to me, what are the good emojis?

01:06:03 ◼   ► And I showed her the image and I'm like, really?

01:06:05 ◼   ► None of them.

01:06:06 ◼   ► You know, goose is good.

01:06:07 ◼   ► Goose is good.

01:06:08 ◼   ► Shaking face is weird.

01:06:10 ◼   ► Shaking face has potential, I think.

01:06:11 ◼   ► Is yeah, but I don't know what for.

01:06:13 ◼   ► Ew, weird emoji, right?

01:06:15 ◼   ► It's blurry because it's shaking.

01:06:17 ◼   ► Weird that it's blurry.

01:06:18 ◼   ► I don't like that it's blurry.

01:06:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, otherwise how would you convey the shaking?

01:06:22 ◼   ► Anyway.

01:06:23 ◼   ► - I'm gonna try something here,

01:06:24 ◼   ► so I'm gonna send you all shaking.

01:06:26 ◼   ► - Oh no, no, no, no, don't do it.

01:06:27 ◼   ► You're gonna do it where it's like the one

01:06:28 ◼   ► that flies around?

01:06:30 ◼   ► - No, shaking face emoji with the loud,

01:06:34 ◼   ► oh, that's a good combo.

01:06:35 ◼   ► - What did you just send?

01:06:36 ◼   ► - With the loud message effect?

01:06:37 ◼   ► - Send it to the-- - Ooh, it shakes, yes.

01:06:39 ◼   ► - With John. - It seems like it's shaking.

01:06:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's a good one.

01:06:43 ◼   ► That's actually, there's the combo.

01:06:45 ◼   ► You should only, when I look at it though, right,

01:06:47 ◼   ► and it's big, it makes me feel like I don't have my glasses on.

01:06:51 ◼   ► And that doesn't make me feel good.

01:06:53 ◼   ► It's like a pre-retina emoji.

01:06:55 ◼   ► [LAUGHS]

01:06:56 ◼   ► Because this is what things look like when

01:06:58 ◼   ► I don't wear my glasses.

01:07:00 ◼   ► Where it's like I can see everything fine,

01:07:02 ◼   ► but it's all just got like a blurry mist to it.

01:07:05 ◼   ► So that's a very strange thing.

01:07:06 ◼   ► Wow, your eyes are terrible.

01:07:07 ◼   ► They're not that bad.

01:07:08 ◼   ► But like, you know, we did it.

01:07:10 ◼   ► We did the Jeremy's, right?

01:07:11 ◼   ► But like the one flower they added--

01:07:14 ◼   ► was it hyacinth?

01:07:15 ◼   ► Was that the flower?

01:07:16 ◼   ► why that one flower? Yes, that was the one. I said lavender and it wasn't lavender.

01:07:20 ◼   ► And it's like why did you, why just ginger, you know, like the the additions

01:07:26 ◼   ► are strange now. They're just weird. Gruber is right on their Infariball.

01:07:31 ◼   ► You know we're getting these strange additions like ginger and high

01:07:36 ◼   ► synth and you know multiple hands but there's still no chef's kiss emoji. I

01:07:40 ◼   ► mean come on. But you can make that work though. Like I don't know why people

01:07:44 ◼   ► need that it's just two emojis combined you just said to imagine like a little

01:07:50 ◼   ► Italian chef doing the kiss you know with the lips like it would be funny

01:07:54 ◼   ► yeah but like what if it's Italian is it not like in sense of our culture

01:07:59 ◼   ► insensitive no and we don't care about cultural insensitivity here we just you

01:08:04 ◼   ► know I think as a people were okay with the jokes and the stereotypes that's a

01:08:09 ◼   ► super bold thing to say, you know what I mean?

01:08:11 ◼   ► - Well, I like to speak for my country.

01:08:14 ◼   ► - You speak for all of Italy.

01:08:15 ◼   ► - I like to speak for all Italians in this moment.

01:08:18 ◼   ► We are okay with the memes.

01:08:20 ◼   ► - The Italian delegation.

01:08:21 ◼   ► - I mean, come on, like, is it, like, is it offensive

01:08:24 ◼   ► if the, if the chef's kiss, like the little chef in,

01:08:28 ◼   ► like, for example, the chef's kiss quote unquote emoji

01:08:31 ◼   ► that I'm looking at in Discord right now.

01:08:33 ◼   ► You've seen this fake emoji, right, in other places.

01:08:36 ◼   ► Like, is it offensive that has the little Italian mustache?

01:08:40 ◼   ► Eh, it's fine.

01:08:42 ◼   ► You know, I, I can't, I can't personally comment on whether that is an Italian

01:08:47 ◼   ► mustache or not.

01:08:48 ◼   ► I mean, that's, yeah, you're the one, you're the one applying it to the Italian

01:08:51 ◼   ► people.

01:08:51 ◼   ► Oh, so I'm the offense, but that's fine.

01:08:53 ◼   ► Federico, I think can do it.

01:08:55 ◼   ► I can't say it.

01:08:56 ◼   ► Okay.

01:08:57 ◼   ► But you, you thought about it.

01:08:59 ◼   ► Are you going to be honest?

01:09:01 ◼   ► This is moving into a territory that I don't want to be in anymore.

01:09:06 ◼   ► We agree the goose emoji is the best one. My daughter loves it. She keeps sending it to me

01:09:11 ◼   ► I could do a better one. Hold on

01:09:19 ◼   ► It sounds like it hurts

01:09:24 ◼   ► Let's say you're a Puerto Rico. No, no, no, I cannot do it. I cannot do it. The dogs go wild

01:09:34 ◼   ► There are some other things that we haven't mentioned

01:09:37 ◼   ► or haven't mentioned in depth,

01:09:39 ◼   ► notifications for web apps on the home screen

01:09:42 ◼   ► for iOS and iPadOS.

01:09:43 ◼   ► Federico, how do you turn these on?

01:09:45 ◼   ► Where do you find them?

01:09:47 ◼   ► I tried playing with this and couldn't,

01:09:49 ◼   ► maybe I wasn't using a website that supported it yet, but.

01:09:52 ◼   ► - That is the answer to your question.

01:09:55 ◼   ► You gotta use a web app that you can add to the home screen

01:09:58 ◼   ► and then it wants to send you notifications from the web.

01:10:02 ◼   ► So this feels like a thing I'm never gonna want,

01:10:05 ◼   ► but something's gonna find its way in.

01:10:08 ◼   ► - There's one site that I want it for,

01:10:10 ◼   ► but they didn't seem to offer it.

01:10:12 ◼   ► - What is it? - Which is?

01:10:13 ◼   ► - The Apple Newsroom.

01:10:15 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

01:10:15 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:10:16 ◼   ► So I, yes. - Because they used to be

01:10:19 ◼   ► in Apple News in a way where you could have Apple News

01:10:21 ◼   ► send you a notification, and that's not true anymore,

01:10:24 ◼   ► and so it's very sad.

01:10:27 ◼   ► - I'm guessing that if you go to,

01:10:29 ◼   ► I don't know if MacRumors and 95Mac support web push notifications, and you know, on mobile as well,

01:10:38 ◼   ► but in theory if you add one of those websites to the home screen and you request the notifications,

01:10:44 ◼   ► you should be prompted. However, so there's an important difference here.

01:10:48 ◼   ► Even if a website supports web push notifications, you will not get the prompt in Safari on iOS and

01:10:59 ◼   ► an iPadOS. You need to add the web app to your home screen first. And that's because

01:11:06 ◼   ► those web apps that get added to the home screen, once you get prompted for allowing

01:11:13 ◼   ► push notifications, it means you will see that app in the focus settings, in just the

01:11:21 ◼   ► general settings app, because it becomes tied to an app identity. There's no system right

01:11:29 ◼   ► now to say manage push notifications in Safari for iPhone like you can in Safari for Mac,

01:11:35 ◼   ► right? So you need to add them to the to the home screen first and to test this out I tried

01:11:42 ◼   ► this service called Alerti.dev which is a a little web service that can send you push notifications

01:11:51 ◼   ► via an API. It's similar to pushover, pushcut, like these sort of services where you can program

01:11:58 ◼   ► your own push notifications, this one you can install as a web app on your iPhone and

01:12:05 ◼   ► once you do and you log in with your account, the "send me notifications" button will start

01:12:11 ◼   ► working, because the app detects "okay, I see that I've been saved as a web app on the

01:12:16 ◼   ► home screen, therefore now I can ask the user for notification access". So that's the one

01:12:22 ◼   ► They are very on this. Like, their website has imagery of that happening today.

01:12:28 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:12:30 ◼   ► They're very on this from a marketing standpoint.

01:12:33 ◼   ► Yeah, the developer actually reached out to me on Masterson,

01:12:35 ◼   ► otherwise I had no idea that this service existed. I was like, this is perfect for-

01:12:39 ◼   ► This is a good enterprising individual.

01:12:42 ◼   ► Yes, this is perfect for what I needed to prepare for this article,

01:12:45 ◼   ► and I actually think I'm gonna do a couple of shortcuts in this week's newsletter.

01:12:50 ◼   ► No.

01:12:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:12:52 ◼   ► Shortcuts? You? No.

01:12:54 ◼   ► I know, I know. You're surprised. And you should be.

01:12:58 ◼   ► And you should be, because I hate shortcuts.

01:13:01 ◼   ► You should be surprised.

01:13:03 ◼   ► Now he's all about the Siri shortcuts.

01:13:05 ◼   ► I never expected... No, but seriously, yes. I'm gonna do a few shortcuts.

01:13:10 ◼   ► Here's a question for y'all.

01:13:13 ◼   ► Would you implement something like this on your own websites?

01:13:16 ◼   ► Relay, FM, or MacStories?

01:13:18 ◼   ► MacStories used to have web push notifications and then I realized, yeah, years ago, like

01:13:24 ◼   ► eight years ago or something.

01:13:26 ◼   ► This is like in the idea that like used to be in Flipboard, used to be in Apple news,

01:13:31 ◼   ► right?

01:13:32 ◼   ► Like there are these things you just try them, you don't know, do you?

01:13:33 ◼   ► You just try them, you don't know what's going to catch on.

01:13:36 ◼   ► Yes, exactly.

01:13:37 ◼   ► And, but then I realized, okay, first we're no longer the type of website where you're

01:13:43 ◼   ► like, oh, I need to be super up to date on what MacStories is publishing.

01:13:47 ◼   ► -You know, like, most people... -I would like it.

01:13:49 ◼   ► Well, most people, they just open Mac stories,

01:13:52 ◼   ► but, like, maybe at the end of the workday

01:13:54 ◼   ► or maybe during the launch break, and they're like,

01:13:55 ◼   ► "Okay, let me see what's here on the homepage."

01:13:57 ◼   ► It's my homepage, son.

01:13:58 ◼   ► Well, I appreciate you. Thank you.

01:14:01 ◼   ► But that's not necessary.

01:14:04 ◼   ► Like, we're not 9 to 5 Mac or the Verge,

01:14:07 ◼   ► like, pushing out 20 stories a day and be like,

01:14:09 ◼   ► "Okay, it's actually useful to be alerted by,

01:14:13 ◼   ► you know, the latest rumor."

01:14:14 ◼   ► I would say that would make more sense

01:14:17 ◼   ► have notifications. Interesting perspective. Okay, we will do notifications because you

01:14:22 ◼   ► told me this. Thank you. I told you I missed this way as a person. And I will turn them

01:14:26 ◼   ► on just for you. Okay, thank you. Steven, I do not want under any circumstances to the

01:14:31 ◼   ► Relay FM website to send web notifications. Why though? Why? I mean, I could tell you

01:14:37 ◼   ► the same thing. People want to know when you're live. Only five shows record live. Yeah. And

01:14:46 ◼   ► And also, really, we want people listening live to be in the Discord, and the Discord

01:14:50 ◼   ► can notify you.

01:14:51 ◼   ► And the Discord can notify people if you sign up for that role in Discord.

01:14:55 ◼   ► The most important thing we do is publish podcasts, and your podcast app will notify

01:14:59 ◼   ► you when there's new shows.

01:15:00 ◼   ► And so I feel like we're covered otherwise.

01:15:03 ◼   ► We don't want people on the website.

01:15:04 ◼   ► We want people to subscribe to the shows.

01:15:07 ◼   ► The website, for us, it's kind of funny.

01:15:10 ◼   ► One of the best things that can happen is we have a high bounce rate.

01:15:12 ◼   ► We have a high bounce rate.

01:15:13 ◼   ► It usually means people have come to the website.

01:15:16 ◼   ► got what they wanted and they've gone and we never see them again.

01:15:19 ◼   ► That's fine.

01:15:20 ◼   ► We don't even have analytics anymore on the site so who knows what's happening.

01:15:22 ◼   ► I think it's going to Wahl over there.

01:15:24 ◼   ► I know, yeah.

01:15:25 ◼   ► The chat GPT is all up in us, you know, doing stuff.

01:15:28 ◼   ► It is too, you know.

01:15:31 ◼   ► You ask it some questions, it pulls some very silly things.

01:15:35 ◼   ► A couple of other things in iOS and iPadOS.

01:15:38 ◼   ► Voice isolation for cellular calls.

01:15:41 ◼   ► has been something available in voice over IP apps, but it's buried in Control Center

01:15:47 ◼   ► and it's only available when you're on a phone call.

01:15:51 ◼   ► Maybe they're not sure this, so they're kind of like, you know, soft launching it in Control

01:15:54 ◼   ► Center, but it seems like an odd placement to me.

01:15:58 ◼   ► I have not used this.

01:15:59 ◼   ► I assume it sounds amazing.

01:16:02 ◼   ► The podcast app got a bunch of new features.

01:16:04 ◼   ► So it's got channels, support for channels.

01:16:06 ◼   ► So you can like find a channel like Relay FM and you can put it in the app and you can

01:16:09 ◼   ► find everything there.

01:16:10 ◼   ► - Okay, can I say something about the podcast app?

01:16:14 ◼   ► - Yeah, you sure can, please do.

01:16:15 ◼   ► - Okay, so the podcast app, I really wanna use it,

01:16:20 ◼   ► but like I need to convince

01:16:23 ◼   ► whoever needs to be convinced at Apple

01:16:26 ◼   ► that they gotta take their,

01:16:28 ◼   ► and I'm gonna say existing feature for trimming silence.

01:16:33 ◼   ► All right, they have this feature built already,

01:16:39 ◼   ► And you know where? In Voice Memos.

01:16:42 ◼   ► They have this feature in Voice Memos,

01:16:45 ◼   ► along with an audio enhancement feature,

01:16:48 ◼   ► also in Voice Memos.

01:16:50 ◼   ► So hear me out, Apple, Apple Podcasts,

01:16:53 ◼   ► as you know, the, hear me out, Apple Podcasts boss.

01:16:58 ◼   ► Take those two features, which someone already built,

01:17:02 ◼   ► bring them over to the podcast app,

01:17:04 ◼   ► millions, well, no, let me rephrase,

01:17:07 ◼   ► hundreds of thousands of nerds like me will switch to podcasts if you do.

01:17:13 ◼   ► This is literally the only reason why I'm using a pocket casts, but I would

01:17:20 ◼   ► consider it like I would realistically consider it.

01:17:23 ◼   ► That's still the one thing.

01:17:25 ◼   ► You know, and here's my pitch.

01:17:26 ◼   ► Here's my pitch. OK, look, life, OK, is busy.

01:17:30 ◼   ► Life is just busy. You know, you got maybe you have kids, you have pets.

01:17:36 ◼   ► Maybe you just bought a home, you know you want to travel.

01:17:39 ◼   ► There's plenty of stuff coming out on Apple TV+.

01:17:41 ◼   ► - And also listening at 1.5, 2x, 3x, monsters do that.

01:17:46 ◼   ► - No, it's unnatural.

01:17:47 ◼   ► It's unnatural.

01:17:48 ◼   ► You know, who does that?

01:17:49 ◼   ► - No, no, no, I disagree.

01:17:51 ◼   ► If you wanna listen to me, listen to me however you want.

01:17:55 ◼   ► - You should see the things.

01:17:56 ◼   ► You should hear the things Steven says in private.

01:17:58 ◼   ► - You should hear me with these accents, Steven,

01:18:01 ◼   ► a 3x and you're gonna change your mind.

01:18:02 ◼   ► You should hear me with this accent.

01:18:04 ◼   ► If you don't want me at my 1X, you don't deserve me at my 3X.

01:18:08 ◼   ► Wow, I love that.

01:18:10 ◼   ► So what I'm saying though, but what I'm saying is life is busy, right?

01:18:14 ◼   ► There's plenty of media choices out there, but I want to listen to my podcast.

01:18:19 ◼   ► I want to listen to my podcast. I want to save a bit of time, if possible,

01:18:23 ◼   ► without making the hosts sound like, you know, really fast talking people.

01:18:29 ◼   ► So, Trim Silence and Audio, Magic Audio, Magic Volume, call it whatever you want to call it.

01:18:37 ◼   ► Call it Magic Silence and Magic Audio, I don't know.

01:18:40 ◼   ► You know, make up the name.

01:18:41 ◼   ► But, Audio Effects in Apple Podcasts, I mean, everything else about it I really like.

01:18:47 ◼   ► The channels, the UI, it's fast, it looks nice, it's got chapters, it works really well on the Apple Watch.

01:18:55 ◼   ► It's got shortcuts integration, which I like.

01:18:58 ◼   ► It's got Siri integration, which I like.

01:19:00 ◼   ► Like everything about it is perfect

01:19:01 ◼   ► except the actual listening.

01:19:04 ◼   ► So audio effects is my pitch for Apple Podcasts boss.

01:19:09 ◼   ► - A couple other just quick things.

01:19:13 ◼   ► You can upgrade your HomeKit app architecture again.

01:19:16 ◼   ► That's back.

01:19:18 ◼   ► And in iMessage, Mastodon links are rich with previews.

01:19:24 ◼   ► I haven't seen this yet, but I'm happy that it exists.

01:19:27 ◼   ► You haven't seen it yet.

01:19:29 ◼   ► I don't think so.

01:19:30 ◼   ► I'm going to send you a mastodon right now.

01:19:33 ◼   ► Send me a mastodon.

01:19:34 ◼   ► Send me a don.

01:19:36 ◼   ► Don me up.

01:19:36 ◼   ► I'll don you up.

01:19:37 ◼   ► Don me up.

01:19:39 ◼   ► I'm putting it in our group chat right there.

01:19:41 ◼   ► See?

01:19:41 ◼   ► I'm still too scared to upgrade the whole map architecture,

01:19:44 ◼   ► though.

01:19:44 ◼   ► I ain't doing it.

01:19:44 ◼   ► I did it the first time.

01:19:46 ◼   ► And it's been fine.

01:19:47 ◼   ► I will do it eventually, but I ain't doing it yet.

01:19:49 ◼   ► Mine's been fine.

01:19:50 ◼   ► Oh, look at that.

01:19:52 ◼   ► That's like a tweet.

01:19:53 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:19:54 ◼   ► But you know--

01:19:54 ◼   ► - That's good.

01:19:55 ◼   ► - Open source or whatever.

01:19:57 ◼   ► - That's good.

01:19:58 ◼   ► Is it open source?

01:19:59 ◼   ► Is it open source?

01:20:00 ◼   ► - I don't know, Massone has a CEO, but it's federated.

01:20:03 ◼   ► I don't know how it works.

01:20:04 ◼   ► - Federated CEO.

01:20:06 ◼   ► That guy is the CEO of all of our instances,

01:20:08 ◼   ► whether we like it or not.

01:20:09 ◼   ► That's how it works.

01:20:10 ◼   ► That's what it means.

01:20:11 ◼   ► - Wait, really?

01:20:12 ◼   ► - That's what they won't tell you, you know?

01:20:14 ◼   ► That's what the Fed-y friends won't tell you,

01:20:17 ◼   ► is that person is all of our CEO.

01:20:19 ◼   ► That's how that works.

01:20:20 ◼   ► Did you read the terms of service?

01:20:22 ◼   ► Don't think so.

01:20:23 ◼   ► Can I be fired from my own instance?

01:20:25 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:26 ◼   ► Yep.

01:20:26 ◼   ► By...

01:20:27 ◼   ► That guy owns MaxLories now.

01:20:28 ◼   ► By the Fedi guy?

01:20:29 ◼   ► Fedi fired.

01:20:30 ◼   ► By Fedi-o.

01:20:31 ◼   ► By the Fedio?

01:20:33 ◼   ► By the Fedio.

01:20:35 ◼   ► Oh, man.

01:20:36 ◼   ► Yeah, he's the new Fedi-rico Vatici.

01:20:40 ◼   ► Fedio-rico.

01:20:41 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

01:20:44 ◼   ► That's what you don't know.

01:20:45 ◼   ► That's what they want to tell you.

01:20:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:20:47 ◼   ► Who's they?

01:20:48 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:20:49 ◼   ► The Fedi friends.

01:20:50 ◼   ► The Fedi friends.

01:20:51 ◼   ► [LAUGHTER]

01:20:52 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:20:53 ◼   ► Exactly who is they real quick? Can I run through the rest of the updates?

01:20:57 ◼   ► Why don't we take a break? We know it's not soon enough. We just took one

01:21:01 ◼   ► No, no, but do it after the break, but after the break you do it real quick, okay?

01:21:05 ◼   ► I'll do the break and then I'm gonna speedrun watch OS 9.4 and Mac OS. Okay. Thank you. Love it. Love it

01:21:11 ◼   ► Yeah

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01:23:57 ◼   ► Okay, on watch OS 9.4, wake up alarms are no longer silenced by covering the watch with

01:24:04 ◼   ► your hand.

01:24:05 ◼   ► You know, you can do that if someone calls you or alarm goes off.

01:24:09 ◼   ► In sleep mode, you don't want to do that with your wake up alarm because that's how you

01:24:12 ◼   ► wake up an hour late, 30 minutes before your podcast starts.

01:24:15 ◼   ► This is one of those bugs that like, why now?

01:24:20 ◼   ► Why is it fixed now?

01:24:21 ◼   ► Right?

01:24:22 ◼   ► Like, it's not like this is a new...

01:24:23 ◼   ► It's very interesting to me.

01:24:25 ◼   ► Was late to a meeting. Yes, Tim Cook missed a meeting and he is real mad about it

01:24:31 ◼   ► I do get something like 4 a.m. You know, he didn't miss a meeting. He was a watch alarm doesn't go off

01:24:37 ◼   ► Do you think he goes to sleep with the headset? No, I hope not

01:24:41 ◼   ► Maybe it seems uncomfortable to sleep in anyways

01:24:45 ◼   ► Also in watch OS 9.4 cycle tracking and a fib history is available in more countries

01:24:50 ◼   ► See the links in the show notes for details there Mac OS got a bunch of this other stuff that we've already talked about already

01:24:57 ◼   ► But also included within it a studio display update

01:25:02 ◼   ► This was the first time I've been able to update a studio display and a couple of notes

01:25:06 ◼   ► Oh, it took longer than the Ventura update took on my MacBook Pro

01:25:10 ◼   ► Yeah, it's not great and it's really weird because like everything tells you do not unplug for the display from the computer

01:25:16 ◼   ► Okay, I get that and you get these little like white dots on the screen cuz like it's just a reminder to me

01:25:22 ◼   ► That my display is actually an iOS computer

01:25:24 ◼   ► Just still very strange. I don't like

01:25:28 ◼   ► when

01:25:30 ◼   ► Updates tell me not to power off. Mm-hmm. I don't like that. Yeah, it's scary. It's scary

01:25:35 ◼   ► It's like well, what if the power goes out? Do you guys remember that? I did this to an Apple watch

01:25:41 ◼   ► Do you remember? Oh, yeah. No, I thought you pulled it off the charger too early. Yes. Yeah

01:25:45 ◼   ► Yeah, but it's like the same idea right like don't take it off power. Okay. It was updating and I didn't know and

01:25:52 ◼   ► I just took it off the charger. I don't think this happens anymore, by the way

01:25:57 ◼   ► But and then it killed the Apple watch

01:25:59 ◼   ► Completely I had to go I had to go in and get it all like that go to genius bar

01:26:05 ◼   ► I had to do the whole nine yards like there's nothing you can do about it or could do about it then very annoying

01:26:09 ◼   ► So those are all the updates you would think

01:26:13 ◼   ► WWC is right around the corner surely there's nothing else this year, but just mere hours later the iOS

01:26:20 ◼   ► 16.5 and Ventura

01:26:22 ◼   ► 13.4 along with tvOS home pod all the other stuff

01:26:25 ◼   ► Betas released Federico what is involved in this this groundbreaking new release nothing?

01:26:32 ◼   ► There's something there's something two things two things that the people I've noticed

01:26:42 ◼   ► There's a new my sports tab in Apple news where you can see all the sports in Apple news.

01:26:55 ◼   ► I like it. It's about time.

01:26:58 ◼   ► You can see schedules, scores and sports in the my sports tab in Apple news.

01:27:08 ◼   ► No, but seriously, I mean, I'm not a sports people. If you are, it's probably great for you.

01:27:13 ◼   ► Sports people. I'm not a sports people.

01:27:17 ◼   ► I remember a concept for this a while back.

01:27:23 ◼   ► Here's the thing that I'm confused about. Wasn't this in the WWDC keynote? Didn't they talk about this?

01:27:29 ◼   ► They did. Yeah, it's just now coming out.

01:27:31 ◼   ► Really? Wow.

01:27:33 ◼   ► So I'm not I'm not losing it here like they've been slowly adding this in

01:27:37 ◼   ► But my understanding was that like in the news app that was going to be a place for all of the sports things that you subscribe

01:27:44 ◼   ► to

01:27:45 ◼   ► Right. So, okay. I thought like this isn't new but it's weird because

01:27:50 ◼   ► If I remember the WC keynote correctly

01:27:53 ◼   ► News was going to be like the hub of the my sport stuff

01:27:58 ◼   ► But the TV app has had some of that for a long time and more of it more recently in this cycle

01:28:03 ◼   ► They're still not like a central place for all your sports stuff. So hopefully Apple news does that

01:28:08 ◼   ► This will be a reason for me to reinstall Apple news because I take it off my device a long time ago

01:28:13 ◼   ► but I'm hopeful that they can they can do this well because

01:28:17 ◼   ► There are other apps obviously that do this there are apps that do

01:28:22 ◼   ► live activities sports alerts is one that I like but

01:28:26 ◼   ► having it kind of all in one place where like, okay, you could tie all the information together.

01:28:30 ◼   ► You could pull in news stories. It could be a simple link out to like TV+ stuff.

01:28:34 ◼   ► I'm hopeful they're finally kind of getting all their ducks in a row here.

01:28:38 ◼   ► Also, you can ask Siri to start a screen recording. Yes. Huge. In 16.5.

01:28:44 ◼   ► But again, this is one of those features of like,

01:28:47 ◼   ► but why in

01:28:49 ◼   ► 16.5? Like why? Haven't you ever found yourself

01:28:53 ◼   ► Just having a conversation with Siri and be like, "Hey buddy, start recording the screen."

01:28:57 ◼   ► But why in 16.5? Why is this not in 17? Like, you know what I mean? Like, when is this coming out?

01:29:04 ◼   ► Why is it now? It's very confusing to me.

01:29:06 ◼   ► Because, because...

01:29:08 ◼   ► Because?

01:29:10 ◼   ► When you're wearing the headset,

01:29:13 ◼   ► you should be able to start a screen recording via your voice.

01:29:19 ◼   ► Right.

01:29:21 ◼   ► Well, the headset's not going to be coming out at 16.5, is it?

01:29:25 ◼   ► Well, that's your opinion, isn't it?

01:29:27 ◼   ► So you think Apple's headset...

01:29:29 ◼   ► No, man, I don't know what to think.

01:29:32 ◼   ► It's just interesting. Like, why...

01:29:33 ◼   ► I have no idea. I'm just making things up as I go.

01:29:36 ◼   ► That's podcasting, baby.

01:29:38 ◼   ► I don't know. I genuinely have no idea why these features ship now.

01:29:43 ◼   ► It is strange, but I'm not sure I had it at the top of my list of things I wish Siri could do.

01:29:49 ◼   ► But you know they got to compete somehow. Yeah, this is the way to do it. Yeah, take that Bing

01:29:53 ◼   ► We'll start screen recordings with our voices

01:29:56 ◼   ► Okay, you know the accidental

01:29:59 ◼   ► Siri firing that we all have right we all accidentally trigger Siri

01:30:04 ◼   ► I got an email for somebody apparently I triggered it on a show a few weeks ago, which I'm sorry for

01:30:08 ◼   ► It's one thing to like I don't know Siri starts talking to you

01:30:13 ◼   ► But like what if you pick your phone up and it's been screen recording for like four hours when it's on your desk

01:30:17 ◼   ► that's gonna be great it's gonna be great aren't you excited I have a

01:30:24 ◼   ► problem with cereal like similarly in these veins right now we're like I'm

01:30:27 ◼   ► talking to someone and and it's happens to me very often like I'm using my

01:30:31 ◼   ► AirPods and it's like okay or like working on it and like I don't know what

01:30:36 ◼   ► I don't know what it's what I've just asked right like and then I have to like

01:30:40 ◼   ► take my AirPods out in horror that someone's getting a text that I don't

01:30:44 ◼   ► you know, and I never feel like I could,

01:30:47 ◼   ► it never tells me what it's done,

01:30:49 ◼   ► but like it's telling me it's doing a thing,

01:30:51 ◼   ► but I don't know what that thing was, right?

01:30:54 ◼   ► And that is terrifying to me as a process.

01:30:58 ◼   ► And you may say, Mike, just turn off Siri on your AirPods,

01:31:01 ◼   ► but I actually do use it too, so I don't want to.

01:31:05 ◼   ► - Can I air an AirPod complaint?

01:31:08 ◼   ► - Can air...

01:31:09 ◼   ► - Is why we're here.

01:31:10 ◼   ► - Pod of grievance.

01:31:10 ◼   ► - If I walk or run or go for a bike or whatever,

01:31:14 ◼   ► I will listen to one AirPod because I have a stronger version of being hit by a car.

01:31:19 ◼   ► And I feel like if I can hear the car, maybe I can get out of the way in time.

01:31:22 ◼   ► Transparency mode, man.

01:31:23 ◼   ► I do that all the time. I do that all the time. No, no, no.

01:31:27 ◼   ► Just the one air... I do this when I walk to dogs. Usually I listen...

01:31:31 ◼   ► You gotta listen.

01:31:32 ◼   ► You gotta listen. Usually, because even with the transparency mode,

01:31:35 ◼   ► like the finer noises sometimes, I don't know,

01:31:39 ◼   ► maybe it's my problem with age,

01:31:42 ◼   ► But I do this all the time, just one ear.

01:31:45 ◼   ► And it's usually I'm listening to Mike when I do this.

01:31:49 ◼   ► - Hello. - Yes.

01:31:51 ◼   ► - I'm too much for both ears.

01:31:52 ◼   ► - Yes, as I was saying.

01:31:54 ◼   ► - We can see you in the zoom, that's wild.

01:31:57 ◼   ► - Federico just turned his camera on in zoom.

01:31:58 ◼   ► - I don't know why I did this.

01:31:59 ◼   ► I don't know what I clicked.

01:32:01 ◼   ► - What I like is he did it and then he got confused

01:32:06 ◼   ► and thrown off.

01:32:07 ◼   ► - Look at this.

01:32:08 ◼   ► No, I was thinking about what you said.

01:32:10 ◼   ► Hi.

01:32:11 ◼   ► Oh, look at you, Mike.

01:32:12 ◼   ► Anyway, this is not a video podcast.

01:32:14 ◼   ► We are against video podcasts.

01:32:16 ◼   ► - Anti-video podcasts for the reason

01:32:19 ◼   ► of everything that just happened,

01:32:20 ◼   ► that we all turned our video cameras on

01:32:21 ◼   ► and then got lost looking at each other for a minute.

01:32:24 ◼   ► - So yes, when I walk the dogs, just one AirPod,

01:32:26 ◼   ► because I don't feel safe wearing two,

01:32:28 ◼   ► even with the transparency mode.

01:32:30 ◼   ► Well, I didn't think this was something worth confessing,

01:32:33 ◼   ► Steven.

01:32:34 ◼   ► - Yes, what were we talking about?

01:32:36 ◼   ► Okay, so I listened to one.

01:32:38 ◼   ► - We're airing a grievance.

01:32:39 ◼   ► airing an air potting a grievance air plotting a grievance, but sometimes I need to change

01:32:45 ◼   ► what year has the air pod. Right. So if I'm going on a bike ride, I always ride with traffic.

01:32:52 ◼   ► That's the way you're supposed to do it. Right. And traffic is incredibly dangerous. Get with

01:32:55 ◼   ► traffic. And I traffic. But if I'm walking or running, sometimes I'm not going with traffic

01:33:02 ◼   ► because I'm on the sidewalk, right? And depending on where I'm going, I need to be on one side

01:33:05 ◼   ► or the other. And I want the open ear the natural ear to be towards the street. So again,

01:33:12 ◼   ► if a car is going to hit me, I can hear it coming. Right. Right. Right. Federico, we're

01:33:15 ◼   ► on the same page with this. Yes, yes, yes. Here's the twofold problem. One. So I'm listening,

01:33:22 ◼   ► pull out my AirPod case, I put the AirPod in my empty ear and take the other one out,

01:33:28 ◼   ► put it back in the case. Yes, audio will stop on my phone. Even though I did my order of

01:33:34 ◼   ► I always had an AirPod in 100% of the time it stops the audio so then I have to

01:33:40 ◼   ► pull my phone out of my pocket or go to now playing on my watch and restart the

01:33:42 ◼   ► audio. Yeah no this is the right way to do it. Why? Because people that wear their

01:33:49 ◼   ► AirPods the way they're supposed to be worn which is both if you take one out

01:33:53 ◼   ► you want it to pause. But I'm not doing that. But then if you're doing the other but

01:34:01 ◼   ► that like is just swapping them basically. Right but you said you put one

01:34:05 ◼   ► right you put but you put one in so you got both in then you take one out right

01:34:09 ◼   ► so it's treating it like it's me where I have both AirPods and I'm taking one out

01:34:14 ◼   ► and it's pausing it. I see what you're saying. What you could do is turn that feature off and

01:34:18 ◼   ► then it won't do that anymore. Is that an option somewhere? I should look at that.

01:34:20 ◼   ► Ear detection. Okay I may do that because I don't know what else that might

01:34:26 ◼   ► mess up like it might mess some other things up but you should try that I

01:34:30 ◼   ► I think it's ear detection.

01:34:31 ◼   ► You turn that off.

01:34:33 ◼   ► The reason this happens is because people

01:34:35 ◼   ► that wear AirPods like me,

01:34:37 ◼   ► it's the old idea like you take the iPod,

01:34:40 ◼   ► you know, do you take it out and it stops?

01:34:42 ◼   ► Was that a thing that the iPod headphones did or no?

01:34:45 ◼   ► - Uh.

01:34:46 ◼   ► - Was that an iPod thing? - I don't know.

01:34:47 ◼   ► - Did it have sensors in them?

01:34:48 ◼   ► I don't think so.

01:34:49 ◼   ► - Anyways, well, okay, so on the fifth gen iPod

01:34:52 ◼   ► and later you could unplug the headphones from the iPod

01:34:55 ◼   ► and the iPod would stop.

01:34:56 ◼   ► Maybe that's what you're thinking of.

01:34:57 ◼   ► - Maybe that's what I'm thinking of,

01:34:59 ◼   ► which is a bit more aggressive of a thing

01:35:02 ◼   ► than what I'm suggesting.

01:35:04 ◼   ► If you threw your iPod at the wall, the music would stop.

01:35:08 ◼   ► - Eventually, yeah.

01:35:09 ◼   ► If you sink your iPod in a lake.

01:35:12 ◼   ► So the other thing that I've run into,

01:35:14 ◼   ► and I have been on the beta,

01:35:16 ◼   ► so maybe it's fixed on the 16.4.

01:35:19 ◼   ► - Did you file the feedback?

01:35:21 ◼   ► - Maybe it's fixed on the 16.4 final build,

01:35:23 ◼   ► although I doubt it is,

01:35:25 ◼   ► is when I do this little maneuver,

01:35:27 ◼   ► the dreaded, you've left your AirPods behind,

01:35:30 ◼   ► notification has come back.

01:35:32 ◼   ► So it's like, I'm walking down the street, right,

01:35:35 ◼   ► and five minutes later it's like, oh, you left an AirPod

01:35:38 ◼   ► three blocks behind you.

01:35:39 ◼   ► No, I didn't, it's in my pocket.

01:35:41 ◼   ► - That's weird.

01:35:42 ◼   ► - Maybe that was just a bug in the beta, but.

01:35:45 ◼   ► - Yeah, it sounds like a bug.

01:35:47 ◼   ► - I noticed something with the left behind alerts

01:35:51 ◼   ► the other day.

01:35:52 ◼   ► I started downloading the beta when I was home,

01:35:57 ◼   ► but then I needed to leave.

01:35:58 ◼   ► And iOS was doing the preparing process.

01:36:03 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:36:04 ◼   ► - It was just like the beta had been downloaded,

01:36:05 ◼   ► but the phone was preparing for the beta to be installed.

01:36:08 ◼   ► And so I start driving,

01:36:10 ◼   ► and so I put my phone on the MagSafe car holder that I have.

01:36:14 ◼   ► I'm wearing the Apple Watch, right?

01:36:16 ◼   ► Phone turns off, starts rebooting.

01:36:19 ◼   ► After like a minute, and I wasn't thinking about it,

01:36:23 ◼   ► I get notification on my Apple Watch.

01:36:25 ◼   ► like you left your phone behind. And for a second I'm like oh my god I left the phone

01:36:31 ◼   ► in Viterbo, it's in this house. And then I literally drive in. That's pretty great. I

01:36:36 ◼   ► look at my phone and I was like no wait the phone is there, like in front of me. It's

01:36:40 ◼   ► rebooting. Because that's just like it's lost, it just doesn't know anymore right? It doesn't

01:36:44 ◼   ► know where it is. It doesn't know anymore. It doesn't know anymore. Yeah according to

01:36:46 ◼   ► it the phone just disappeared right? So I was like well I better tell him, I better

01:36:50 ◼   ► tell somebody. Maybe that only works in the case of an update because like if it's off

01:36:55 ◼   ► it's like still on right like it's still transmitting bluetooth information yeah

01:37:01 ◼   ► I don't know this stuff works but because that's how the one of the find

01:37:04 ◼   ► my thing works is like to find my still works even for devices right which is

01:37:10 ◼   ► like that similar thing - I don't know if we mentioned it when we were talking

01:37:13 ◼   ► earlier about the buttons that there'll be like a low power chip that powers

01:37:18 ◼   ► those capacitive buttons that they're gonna add which is I guess somewhat

01:37:22 ◼   ► similar to how like the phone keeps time and all that kind of stuff.

01:37:25 ◼   ► Yeah, I could imagine if they have some really low power silicon thing that it

01:37:31 ◼   ► adopts some of those other functions as well. You know, kind of like the, um,

01:37:35 ◼   ► the motion code processor was used for multiple things. Now they don't,

01:37:39 ◼   ► they don't even talk about it anymore. Really.

01:37:41 ◼   ► It's just like, I guess it's still in there doing its thing,

01:37:43 ◼   ► but that's Apple software story. The train never stops.

01:37:47 ◼   ► City never sleeps. The betas just keep coming.

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01:38:29 ◼   ► This week we are following up on a long-time story of Federico dealing with some studio

01:38:35 ◼   ► display stuff in his setup that's coming in the Pro Show this week.

01:38:39 ◼   ► It's been fun to follow along with that.

01:38:41 ◼   ► You can find us all online.

01:38:44 ◼   ► You can find Federico at maxstories.net.

01:38:47 ◼   ► We're just days away from automation April starting.

01:38:50 ◼   ► - Yes. - Which is really awesome.

01:38:52 ◼   ► - Yes. - Pumped.

01:38:53 ◼   ► - And the contest is about to start

01:38:55 ◼   ► and there's gonna be surprise prizes.

01:38:58 ◼   ► - Ooh. - Surprises.

01:38:59 ◼   ► - Surprises. - Surprises, yes.

01:39:03 ◼   ► - Surprises. - There we go, yes.

01:39:06 ◼   ► - In auto April. - No, no, yes.

01:39:10 ◼   ► - Autumn April? - Automation April.

01:39:13 ◼   ► - Autumn April. - Automation.

01:39:15 ◼   ► Aprilmation.

01:39:16 ◼   ► You can find Federico on

01:39:23 ◼   ► Macedon, Macedon.MacStories.net.

01:39:27 ◼   ► He's Vitici over there.

01:39:29 ◼   ► Mike is the host of a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM, and he's the

01:39:33 ◼   ► co-founder of Cortex Brand.

01:39:35 ◼   ► Go check out what they're doing. Lots of great products over there.

01:39:37 ◼   ► And you can find him online as iMike over at Mike.Social.

01:39:43 ◼   ► You can find me on MacPowerUsers every Sunday here on Relay FM, and I also write over at

01:39:48 ◼   ► 512pixels.net, and you can find me on Mastodon at eWorld.social.

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01:40:03 ◼   ► Until next week, y'all, say goodbye.

01:40:04 ◼   ► Adios, irchí.

01:40:05 ◼   ► Cheerio!