Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - From Relay FM, this is "Connected", episode 441.

00:00:12 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace,

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00:00:16 ◼   ► I'm one of your hosts, Federico Vittucci,

00:00:18 ◼   ► and it's my pleasure to introduce the returning,

00:00:22 ◼   ► regular co-host of "Connected", Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen, welcome back.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - Hey Federico, how are you?

00:00:28 ◼   ► I'm good. We missed you. How are you?

00:00:30 ◼   ► I am a good, it's good to be back.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Good energy right there. Okay.

00:00:34 ◼   ► Yes. And I am quiet. You've been introduced yet.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Just cannot do it. You just cannot do it.

00:00:41 ◼   ► He can't be contained. Uh, we're also joined by Mike Hurley.

00:00:45 ◼   ► Hello. Hi. Hey Mike. Hello. How are you?

00:00:50 ◼   ► I'm good. I feel like you had something specific to say to me. It's like,

00:00:54 ◼   ► Hey Mike.

00:00:55 ◼   ► - No, I don't.

00:00:56 ◼   ► We have real time follow up.

00:00:58 ◼   ► - Uh oh.

00:00:59 ◼   ► - Like super real time happened 10 minutes ago,

00:01:02 ◼   ► but we were doing the pre-show.

00:01:03 ◼   ► - GetConnetPro.com.

00:01:04 ◼   ► - iOS 16, yes, GetConnetPro.com.

00:01:07 ◼   ► See iOS and iPadOS, 16.4 beta 4

00:01:12 ◼   ► are both out for developers and I guess also WatchOS.

00:01:16 ◼   ► tvOS and the HomePodOS betas were released yesterday

00:01:22 ◼   ► for whatever reason.

00:01:24 ◼   ► - iOS, yeah, iOS, iPadOS and watchOS are out now.

00:01:28 ◼   ► I already have 16.4 beta four on my phone.

00:01:32 ◼   ► I don't see anything new.

00:01:34 ◼   ► I just assumed they're wrapping up this release.

00:01:36 ◼   ► - This is good follow up then.

00:01:38 ◼   ► - Well, I just wanted to tell you.

00:01:39 ◼   ► - 16.4.4 is out and there's nothing new.

00:01:42 ◼   ► - I'm just gonna tell you.

00:01:43 ◼   ► It's out, go visit software update.

00:01:47 ◼   ► You're gonna find it.

00:01:48 ◼   ► - Get the bits.

00:01:49 ◼   ► - Get some fresh bits, fresh hot bits on your device.

00:01:52 ◼   ► I am preparing for updates on my iPad Pro.

00:01:56 ◼   ► I'll let you know in a few minutes if I see anything new.

00:01:58 ◼   ► I don't suppose I will, but I'll still let you know.

00:02:02 ◼   ► End of the real time follow up.

00:02:03 ◼   ► - Do you think they fixed stage manager?

00:02:05 ◼   ► - Yes, they fixed it all.

00:02:07 ◼   ► They made every window resizable and yeah, yeah,

00:02:11 ◼   ► it's all in there in the beta four.

00:02:14 ◼   ► Yeah, this very specific beta, it fixes stage manager, yes.

00:02:19 ◼   ► - Apple is in on the long thigh.

00:02:22 ◼   ► - I know, it took him so long.

00:02:24 ◼   ► - Apple had a, and it may still be the top,

00:02:27 ◼   ► anyways, at some point during the yellow iPhone release,

00:02:30 ◼   ► which already feels like it was a thousand years ago,

00:02:33 ◼   ► there was an illustration on apple.com

00:02:38 ◼   ► of a person with a big yellow phone

00:02:41 ◼   ► stepping over some buildings

00:02:43 ◼   ► and their thigh is magnificent and long.

00:02:47 ◼   ► - It's the longest thigh.

00:02:48 ◼   ► They would be the thigh to beat, let me tell you.

00:02:50 ◼   ► - Yeah, but it's cheating, you know, it's made by Apple.

00:02:54 ◼   ► So it's, you know.

00:02:55 ◼   ► - That right there is the thigh to beat.

00:02:57 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's a massive thigh.

00:03:00 ◼   ► - And then just yesterday, Apple published a video

00:03:04 ◼   ► called "Hello, Yellow," just an advertisement

00:03:06 ◼   ► for the yellow iPhone 14, using the same illustration,

00:03:10 ◼   ► but now it, you know, moves and has music and stuff,

00:03:12 ◼   ► and you can see the long thigh in action.

00:03:14 ◼   ► So Apple clearly is following our lead once again.

00:03:17 ◼   ► - Long thigh, tiny head.

00:03:19 ◼   ► That's my ideal person right there.

00:03:22 ◼   ► Love it.

00:03:22 ◼   ► - That's the ideal human form.

00:03:24 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's the golden ratio of the human form.

00:03:28 ◼   ► You got yourself a long thigh, a tiny head, you're set.

00:03:32 ◼   ► Perfect. - You're good.

00:03:33 ◼   ► You're good.

00:03:35 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:03:35 ◼   ► - Moving on to AR/VR.

00:03:37 ◼   ► Ben wrote in, this is fascinating.

00:03:39 ◼   ► Could Apple use the Apple Watch

00:03:42 ◼   ► for more precise hand tracking with the headset?

00:03:45 ◼   ► They do have precise hand tracking

00:03:47 ◼   ► for the Apple Watch for accessibility use.

00:03:49 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:03:50 ◼   ► - It's called Assistive Touch.

00:03:52 ◼   ► This is a series of gestures you can use

00:03:55 ◼   ► to navigate your Apple Watch.

00:03:58 ◼   ► And so some of the examples are you can tap your index,

00:04:03 ◼   ► finger and thumb, you can do that twice,

00:04:05 ◼   ► you can close your hand in a fist

00:04:08 ◼   ► and the watch can monitor and I guess recognize

00:04:12 ◼   ► when that happens and then translate those to actions

00:04:16 ◼   ► on the screen.

00:04:16 ◼   ► really cool system and Ben tied it to this headset.

00:04:21 ◼   ► And I think the idea of using the Apple Watch itself

00:04:25 ◼   ► for this probably doesn't make sense

00:04:26 ◼   ► 'cause as Mike wrote in the show notes,

00:04:27 ◼   ► are you going to wear two Apple Watches?

00:04:29 ◼   ► Like, underscore does.

00:04:30 ◼   ► - You stole my--

00:04:33 ◼   ► - I credited you.

00:04:34 ◼   ► Hat tip, Mike Hurley.

00:04:35 ◼   ► - No, you stole the honor.

00:04:37 ◼   ► Yeah, okay.

00:04:38 ◼   ► - Yeah, but you stole it.

00:04:39 ◼   ► I wanted to be the one to eviscerate Ben's feedback.

00:04:42 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:04:43 ◼   ► - I know, I'm not eviscerating his feedback.

00:04:45 ◼   ► I think his feedback is good.

00:04:46 ◼   ► No, I wanted to say like, this is one of those scenarios

00:04:50 ◼   ► where you see one thing and just like,

00:04:52 ◼   ► it must be connected to the other thing.

00:04:55 ◼   ► You know, it's just like, what are you gonna do?

00:04:56 ◼   ► Like you only do hand tracking on one hand?

00:05:00 ◼   ► - On your dominant hand.

00:05:01 ◼   ► What if they could use this assistive touch

00:05:04 ◼   ► with something like, you know,

00:05:07 ◼   ► their inside out tracking or,

00:05:09 ◼   ► I don't think they're gonna have hand controllers.

00:05:11 ◼   ► Maybe they'll have hand controllers, who knows?

00:05:13 ◼   ► - Well, no, 'cause the, what's going on there

00:05:16 ◼   ► It's actually using the sensors because they're attached to your wrist and it's like it's noticing physical changes in your hand movements

00:05:23 ◼   ► Like it's not a camera, but could they I mean they've built all that

00:05:28 ◼   ► It's just it was an interesting thing to touch on because I think

00:05:31 ◼   ► Some of the latest rumors are like you're gonna type in the air. It's like what are you doing Apple?

00:05:36 ◼   ► Everyone has hand controllers for a reason two Apple watches though

00:05:41 ◼   ► That's why that's why the headsets so expensive is it comes with two Apple watches in the box think about that

00:05:47 ◼   ► It's like there was previously a rumor that it would require air pods Pro

00:05:52 ◼   ► To work so imagine if it's like yeah, you should use this but you need to buy two Apple watch ultras and airports Pro

00:05:59 ◼   ► Yeah, so it's actually

00:06:01 ◼   ► $5,000 by the time you've got all the stuff that you need which reminds me Federico of the original PlayStation VR

00:06:07 ◼   ► Where it's like, oh yeah, just buy the headset.

00:06:10 ◼   ► You also need the camera and the move ones,

00:06:13 ◼   ► which no one can buy.

00:06:15 ◼   ► - Ramon says to Apple Watch Series 3,

00:06:17 ◼   ► that's why they quit selling it.

00:06:18 ◼   ► They were putting them in the boxes for the headset.

00:06:21 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:06:22 ◼   ► - I mean, you'll be lucky if it comes with,

00:06:25 ◼   ► you know what they'll probably do,

00:06:26 ◼   ► they're gonna put a cable in it

00:06:27 ◼   ► because it's gonna run on battery power.

00:06:30 ◼   ► But if you're, like it's gonna be a super short cable,

00:06:33 ◼   ► like a 90 centimeter cable.

00:06:34 ◼   ► If you want a slightly longer cable,

00:06:36 ◼   ► it's gonna be like $70 from the Apple store.

00:06:39 ◼   ► Like what if I wanna put the battery pack on my couch

00:06:43 ◼   ► and I wanna have like a two meter cable

00:06:45 ◼   ► or a three meter cable. - It is.

00:06:47 ◼   ► - That's gonna be an extra upgrade from the Apple store.

00:06:49 ◼   ► - Timothy also wrote in about the AR/VR stuff,

00:06:52 ◼   ► just really just complimenting you Federico

00:06:55 ◼   ► about using these products and kind of making the,

00:07:00 ◼   ► making the real like opportunity

00:07:03 ◼   ► for your mind to be changed, I think.

00:07:05 ◼   ► I think the three examples he gave opened the door to a world of new apps.

00:07:09 ◼   ► It's just the kind of thing you have to try first.

00:07:11 ◼   ► No, thank you. Thank you, Timothy. Yeah. That's nice. Thank you. Appreciate it.

00:07:15 ◼   ► That was my goal. Yeah. Yeah.

00:07:17 ◼   ► Big news. Big news, everyone. Spotify HiFi,

00:07:21 ◼   ► announced in February, 2021 is still coming.

00:07:27 ◼   ► Quote from the Verge. This is, uh, so we announced it,

00:07:32 ◼   ► but then the industry changed for a bunch of reasons,

00:07:34 ◼   ► Soderstrom once said. - For one reason.

00:07:37 ◼   ► - We'll get to that one reason in a minute.

00:07:39 ◼   ► So this is a quote from Spotify co-president,

00:07:43 ◼   ► Gustav Soderstrom.

00:07:45 ◼   ► - So I think it's Soderstream is what you're looking for.

00:07:48 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:07:49 ◼   ► - There you go.

00:07:50 ◼   ► Thank you for saying that joke.

00:07:52 ◼   ► So I didn't have to say it.

00:07:53 ◼   ► And therefore you're the bad one.

00:07:55 ◼   ► Soderstrom said on the latest episode

00:07:57 ◼   ► of the podcast "Decoder,"

00:07:58 ◼   ► "We are going to do it, but we're going to do it in a way

00:08:01 ◼   ► where it makes sense for us and for our listeners.

00:08:04 ◼   ► The industry changed and we had to adapt.

00:08:06 ◼   ► We want to do it in a way where it works for us

00:08:08 ◼   ► from a cost perspective as well.

00:08:10 ◼   ► I'm not allowed to comment on our label agreements

00:08:12 ◼   ► nor on what other players in the industry did

00:08:15 ◼   ► for obvious reasons.

00:08:16 ◼   ► Basically what happened here is Apple introduced Lossless

00:08:19 ◼   ► and made it free.

00:08:20 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:08:21 ◼   ► - Clearly not what Spotify was going to do.

00:08:24 ◼   ► Spotify also does not have spatial audio of any kind.

00:08:29 ◼   ► And so The Verge in this article was,

00:08:33 ◼   ► this article written by J Peters and Chris Welch

00:08:37 ◼   ► at The Verge were like suggesting that maybe

00:08:40 ◼   ► Spotify will do some kind of like high end audio plan

00:08:44 ◼   ► that would include these features, you know,

00:08:46 ◼   ► and you pay more for it.

00:08:48 ◼   ► I would still say that's probably not a great idea

00:08:50 ◼   ► because like everyone else is doing it for free.

00:08:53 ◼   ► Like Amazon does it for free, Apple's doing it for free.

00:08:56 ◼   ► I mean, obviously it's clear why these companies can,

00:08:59 ◼   ► because this is not their business.

00:09:02 ◼   ► This is Spotify's business.

00:09:05 ◼   ► So talking about spatial audio and stuff,

00:09:07 ◼   ► I cannot recommend enough a recent episode of the Vergecast

00:09:12 ◼   ► where Nilay Patel interviews Patrick,

00:09:16 ◼   ► is it Spence?

00:09:20 ◼   ► I'm trying to find the name in the article now.

00:09:22 ◼   ► I really apologise.

00:09:23 ◼   ► Patrick Spence, who's the CEO of Sonos, and Giles Martin, who is George Martin's son and

00:09:31 ◼   ► legendary record producer who works for Sonos, which I didn't know was a thing.

00:09:37 ◼   ► Wow, okay.

00:09:38 ◼   ► He is Sonos' head of sound design and has worked there for years because they just introduced

00:09:44 ◼   ► two new products, the ERA 100 and the ERA 300.

00:09:47 ◼   ► And so basically they spend a ton of time talking about these new products and spatial

00:09:55 ◼   ► audio because Charles Martin also consults with Universal.

00:09:59 ◼   ► So he is doing spatial audio from both sides.

00:10:02 ◼   ► It's fascinating.

00:10:04 ◼   ► You touched on this, but I want to circle back to it.

00:10:06 ◼   ► I think it really shows Spotify's position being kind of fragile because Apple and Amazon,

00:10:16 ◼   ► they can absorb these costs

00:10:17 ◼   ► in their other lines of business, right?

00:10:19 ◼   ► I can't imagine Apple loses money on anything they do,

00:10:23 ◼   ► but clearly moving to the higher bit rate

00:10:28 ◼   ► and the coding and everything,

00:10:29 ◼   ► like clearly that is costing them something

00:10:32 ◼   ► in terms of labor and paying with and everything,

00:10:35 ◼   ► but they can take the hit because the margins are built in

00:10:37 ◼   ► and they have other lines of business, right?

00:10:39 ◼   ► - I actually think that the cost is still at record levels.

00:10:42 ◼   ► - Maybe. - I think that's

00:10:43 ◼   ► where the cost is going.

00:10:44 ◼   ► 'Cause I think that's what Spotify is hinting at.

00:10:46 ◼   ► - Maybe, but wherever the money ends up going,

00:10:48 ◼   ► the point is, this is all Spotify has.

00:10:52 ◼   ► And so they can't like leverage other parts of the business

00:10:55 ◼   ► against a decision here.

00:10:56 ◼   ► And so they're kind of stuck,

00:10:58 ◼   ► which stinks if you're Spotify.

00:11:00 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I mean, the thing is,

00:11:01 ◼   ► they cannot even charge for a more premium experience,

00:11:06 ◼   ► like a more boutique experience,

00:11:09 ◼   ► because like Apple and Amazon are doing it for free.

00:11:12 ◼   ► And those are, you know, especially Apple is the big player

00:11:15 ◼   ► that Spotify is going up against.

00:11:17 ◼   ► And so obviously you cannot go higher

00:11:20 ◼   ► than high-res lossless because like,

00:11:22 ◼   ► it's just, it's a silly thing.

00:11:24 ◼   ► Like that's the sort of the top quality file format

00:11:27 ◼   ► that you need to match and Apple is not charging for it.

00:11:31 ◼   ► So if you're Spotify, you're already in trouble

00:11:32 ◼   ► because you're like, well, our biggest competitor

00:11:35 ◼   ► put it out for free, so now we cannot ask people for money.

00:11:38 ◼   ► One potential approach could be,

00:11:40 ◼   ► Well, what if you really go after the audiophile community

00:11:44 ◼   ► and you try to sort of design this more boutique,

00:11:47 ◼   ► this more premium experience around lossless music

00:11:52 ◼   ► and high resolution lossless music?

00:11:55 ◼   ► And the thing is, I just don't see Spotify doing that.

00:11:58 ◼   ► Like, for example, Cobhuse, a music streaming service

00:12:03 ◼   ► for audiophiles that we mentioned here on the show

00:12:05 ◼   ► before.

00:12:07 ◼   ► They are a relatively small company,

00:12:10 ◼   ► but it's been around for years.

00:12:11 ◼   ► And they have their own audience.

00:12:13 ◼   ► They're very specialized, because they

00:12:15 ◼   ► had the idea of combining the music streaming service, which

00:12:19 ◼   ► by itself is not differentiated at all in this market anymore.

00:12:24 ◼   ► And it's a music streaming service

00:12:25 ◼   ► with different tiers of lossless music that you can pay for.

00:12:29 ◼   ► And high res, of course, is the more expensive one.

00:12:31 ◼   ► But in addition to that, they had the insight

00:12:35 ◼   ► of doing a magazine.

00:12:37 ◼   ► So you also get editorial content,

00:12:39 ◼   ► like deep dives into albums, artist interviews,

00:12:42 ◼   ► and all that sort of stuff.

00:12:44 ◼   ► And they have a digital store where

00:12:46 ◼   ► you can buy albums for your own personal music collection.

00:12:50 ◼   ► So you can keep them in high res,

00:12:53 ◼   ► sort of like Flack or other formats, I don't recall.

00:12:56 ◼   ► So the insight is, well, we're just going to own the space,

00:12:59 ◼   ► and we're going to go after the superfan

00:13:02 ◼   ► of this kind of stuff.

00:13:03 ◼   ► And the problem is Spotify is not the kind of company.

00:13:07 ◼   ► So they wanted to offer this as a premium add-on

00:13:11 ◼   ► for the mainstream Spotify service,

00:13:15 ◼   ► and now they cannot do that anymore.

00:13:16 ◼   ► But they also cannot put together a more niche offering,

00:13:22 ◼   ► because that's just not in Spotify's DNA.

00:13:26 ◼   ► They want big numbers.

00:13:27 ◼   ► They want tons of people.

00:13:28 ◼   ► They want tons of users.

00:13:29 ◼   ► So now they're stuck.

00:13:30 ◼   ► And when they're saying it's coming eventually,

00:13:33 ◼   ► I think it's going to be eventually.

00:13:36 ◼   ► eventually meaning when they can figure out

00:13:38 ◼   ► how to put it out for free.

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00:15:27 ◼   ► So two years ago, Apple bought a classical music streaming service named Primephonic

00:15:32 ◼   ► and announced that they would be launching a standalone app for Apple Music subscribers

00:15:36 ◼   ► by the end of 2022. It's now March 2023 and this app is currently available for pre-order

00:15:43 ◼   ► on the iPhone. So it's here boys, Apple Music Classical, are you ready to rock out to some

00:15:51 ◼   ► - Fuck.

00:15:52 ◼   ► - Can't wait to do it.

00:15:53 ◼   ► I'm gonna be lining up for March 28th.

00:15:56 ◼   ► No, but seriously, I mean, this is not for me.

00:16:00 ◼   ► - I feel like of the three of us,

00:16:01 ◼   ► you would maybe be the one who would be most interested.

00:16:03 ◼   ► - I'm gonna play around with it because it's-

00:16:06 ◼   ► - Or Steven might because this was the music

00:16:07 ◼   ► of his childhood.

00:16:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, right.

00:16:09 ◼   ► I mean, you know, his high school memories, you know,

00:16:12 ◼   ► with some Mozart and Tchaikovsky.

00:16:14 ◼   ► I mean, you know, he's all over that kind of stuff.

00:16:17 ◼   ► I am gonna check it out because I'm keen to see

00:16:19 ◼   ► what they did in terms of mixing and matching.

00:16:21 ◼   ► Like one of the things about Primephonic

00:16:24 ◼   ► and sort of the promise of Apple Music Classical

00:16:26 ◼   ► is like different ways to browse the same piece

00:16:28 ◼   ► by conductor, by orchestra,

00:16:31 ◼   ► because classical music has different requirements

00:16:33 ◼   ► than regular pop music.

00:16:35 ◼   ► And so I'm gonna check it out,

00:16:36 ◼   ► if only from a design perspective,

00:16:39 ◼   ► I wanna see what they've done.

00:16:40 ◼   ► And the podcasts that they should have,

00:16:43 ◼   ► the interviews, the editorial curation,

00:16:46 ◼   ► I am gonna be playing around with this.

00:16:48 ◼   ► Obviously I don't normally listen to classical music,

00:16:52 ◼   ► so this is not for me,

00:16:54 ◼   ► but I'm also gonna be on the lookout

00:16:56 ◼   ► for like expert opinions.

00:16:58 ◼   ► There's a few Mac stories people that I know of

00:17:01 ◼   ► that have been waiting for this.

00:17:03 ◼   ► So I think this is really interesting.

00:17:05 ◼   ► Probably took longer than expected

00:17:08 ◼   ► to rebuild the service and come out two years later

00:17:12 ◼   ► and it's pre-order iPhone only.

00:17:15 ◼   ► And they haven't even committed to a Mac or iPad version yet,

00:17:20 ◼   ► but to an Android one they have.

00:17:22 ◼   ► That is perhaps the most surprising part of this for me,

00:17:25 ◼   ► is that the Mac and iPad are just left out in the cold.

00:17:28 ◼   ► I get that most people listen to most of their music

00:17:31 ◼   ► on their iPhone.

00:17:32 ◼   ► I think that's probably true.

00:17:33 ◼   ► But this type of music listener, this type of consumption,

00:17:37 ◼   ► is a little bit different than I think,

00:17:40 ◼   ► how the three of us listen to music.

00:17:42 ◼   ► and not having on the Mac and the iPad

00:17:45 ◼   ► like limits those options for people.

00:17:48 ◼   ► And it's like, also it's two years,

00:17:50 ◼   ► like what are you even doing?

00:17:52 ◼   ► - I had a theory on App Stories, I think last week.

00:17:57 ◼   ► - It was in App Stories Plus, in fact.

00:17:59 ◼   ► - App Stories Plus, okay, so I'm just gonna mention it here

00:18:02 ◼   ► for free, unconnected.

00:18:05 ◼   ► My theory is that they're gonna do an Android version

00:18:08 ◼   ► for a couple of reasons.

00:18:10 ◼   ► The first one is if folks that have an Android phone,

00:18:15 ◼   ► because of the nature of Android

00:18:17 ◼   ► and because most Android phones,

00:18:20 ◼   ► if not all Android phones at this point have a USB-C port,

00:18:24 ◼   ► it's much, much easier and more versatile

00:18:28 ◼   ► than the iPhone and iOS to use external equipment

00:18:33 ◼   ► like an external DAC and good headphones

00:18:36 ◼   ► to enjoy this kind of music than with an iPhone.

00:18:40 ◼   ► you just have much more freedom in terms of hardware

00:18:42 ◼   ► that you can connect to your phone.

00:18:44 ◼   ► You can use high resolution Bluetooth codecs.

00:18:48 ◼   ► Those are also a thing that you can do on Android,

00:18:50 ◼   ► like LDAC and aptxHD, I think it's the name.

00:18:55 ◼   ► You just have more freedom.

00:18:56 ◼   ► And the second theory sort of related to this is,

00:18:59 ◼   ► Android, it's not just on phones,

00:19:02 ◼   ► it also runs on those sort of dedicated audio file

00:19:07 ◼   ► portable music players, such as the one that I have.

00:19:11 ◼   ► So folks who maybe have their own personal music collection

00:19:15 ◼   ► and they have a dedicated portable music player,

00:19:18 ◼   ► like for example, my Astell & Kern one.

00:19:21 ◼   ► I used to have a Sony Walkman one,

00:19:23 ◼   ► and then I upgraded to one made by a company called

00:19:26 ◼   ► Astell & Kern.

00:19:28 ◼   ► And it runs on Android.

00:19:29 ◼   ► And because it's Android, you can install Apple Music,

00:19:32 ◼   ► you can install Tidal, you can install

00:19:35 ◼   ► Rune, which I have in my home.

00:19:38 ◼   ► And so making Apple Music classical on Android

00:19:41 ◼   ► also means you're going after that niche market of people who

00:19:46 ◼   ► have an Android-powered device.

00:19:48 ◼   ► And the theory should be that on that sort of device,

00:19:51 ◼   ► you will be able to install Apple Music because, you know,

00:19:54 ◼   ► with the software update, the Apple Music app

00:19:56 ◼   ► could be certified by the likes of Sony, Astell & Kern,

00:20:01 ◼   ► Fio, which is another company that makes these devices.

00:20:04 ◼   ► They're all based on Android, and so now you can enjoy classical music on your dedicated music device.

00:20:11 ◼   ► So I think that's why they're doing it on Android, second.

00:20:14 ◼   ► I think this is a fascinating theory with a perspective I never would have had, right?

00:20:19 ◼   ► So I think it's good that you have it and can bring it to the show.

00:20:22 ◼   ► But nevertheless, it surprises me that if that is the case, that they would care more about that than iPad.

00:20:30 ◼   ► Does it surprise you?

00:20:32 ◼   ► No, it does. I get it. I get the joke, right? But I just kind of can't get my head around

00:20:41 ◼   ► why there is... So for the Mac, whatever, right? You know what I mean? Whatever.

00:20:47 ◼   ► But for the iPad too, whatever.

00:20:49 ◼   ► This is like a... There's like a history of this, right? Just apps on iOS and they're

00:20:54 ◼   ► not on the Mac. But it's just super weird to me that they've yet to have... They don't

00:21:00 ◼   ► have an iPad app, nor is there any news of one coming, but there is news of an Android

00:21:06 ◼   ► app coming. It's just like, it just priority-wise just sounds so weird to me, but there's obviously

00:21:14 ◼   ► something that I'm missing. You know, like obviously I think part of it is what you're

00:21:18 ◼   ► saying Federico, that like this is Primephonic driving this, but I, we were talking about

00:21:23 ◼   ► this on upgrade and someone wrote in to say like Primephonic had an iPad app and a Mac

00:21:29 ◼   ► So like what's going on? Like at some point they thought it was important when

00:21:33 ◼   ► Prime Pho- because you assume right, Prime Phonic is developing this like the

00:21:38 ◼   ► Prime Phonic team that was bought by Apple is making this right? You would

00:21:42 ◼   ► assume because otherwise why'd they do it right? So it's kind of like Beats

00:21:47 ◼   ► right? When like they bought Beats, brought Beats in, had the Beats team make

00:21:51 ◼   ► Apple Music. It's probably the Prime Phonic team making Apple Music classical.

00:21:55 ◼   ► So it's just like, I don't know, it's strange.

00:21:57 ◼   ► Maybe they like, maybe it's just like,

00:21:59 ◼   ► it's as simple as it is in the face of it.

00:22:01 ◼   ► They're obviously late making the app.

00:22:03 ◼   ► And so they just prioritized.

00:22:05 ◼   ► And so these, maybe they'll come later,

00:22:07 ◼   ► but they've fallen by the wayside for now.

00:22:09 ◼   ► But it's still just kind of like, sad.

00:22:13 ◼   ► - I did not have it being announced

00:22:15 ◼   ► as a app store pre-order.

00:22:18 ◼   ► Like, I think that was the way this was gonna go.

00:22:20 ◼   ► - I don't even know why they did that.

00:22:22 ◼   ► Like, no, there was like,

00:22:24 ◼   ► They didn't put anything on the newsroom, right?

00:22:26 ◼   ► So there's no press release, but they put it up as a pre-order.

00:22:29 ◼   ► If you look at the Apple newsroom, you know, there's plenty of space

00:22:32 ◼   ► also for this kind of announcement.

00:22:34 ◼   ► They put a lot of...

00:22:36 ◼   ► Yeah, crap.

00:22:38 ◼   ► I didn't want to say that, but they put a lot of content on the newsroom.

00:22:43 ◼   ► And I mean, this should have at least, you know, be...

00:22:46 ◼   ► No, but it's just like any company, right?

00:22:47 ◼   ► Like, sometimes they're just putting up things which just like so few people care about.

00:22:53 ◼   ► but they put them up anyway, right? Because it's press releases.

00:22:56 ◼   ► They won't put the one thing that I really want to know on the newsroom.

00:23:00 ◼   ► When is WVDC?

00:23:01 ◼   ► When is WVDC? Apple.

00:23:03 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:04 ◼   ► Maybe they got to get this out the door first and then they can turn their attention to WVDC.

00:23:08 ◼   ► You know what? Maybe. Maybe that's what it is.

00:23:11 ◼   ► All eyes on Apple Music classical. But anyway, speaking of music, I have a very

00:23:19 ◼   ► small quick thing I want to mention. So we've been talking about Spotify. I've been using Spotify so

00:23:25 ◼   ► far in 2023 because of my new setup at home with the Echo and we talked about that Spotify Connect

00:23:32 ◼   ► and all that conversation. So this week I got a new Spotify design in the music section. So the

00:23:43 ◼   ► So the way that Spotify now works, in the main home tab, you have two sections at the

00:23:49 ◼   ► top that you can optionally click to sort of filter the main view.

00:23:54 ◼   ► You have music, which is the first one, and podcasts and shows.

00:23:59 ◼   ► If you don't click this, you stay in the main homepage design, which is a mix of all kinds

00:24:05 ◼   ► of content.

00:24:06 ◼   ► If you click into the music one, you just see music.

00:24:10 ◼   ► week I got a new design. The thing is with Spotify, because they A/B test so many things

00:24:17 ◼   ► and because they roll out things to a subset of users in the US first and later in the

00:24:21 ◼   ► rest of the world, I don't know if this is the TikTok-like design I'm supposed to get,

00:24:29 ◼   ► but it's a video-based design. So, see, and there's music playing with autoplay.

00:24:34 ◼   ► - It's doing as it should.

00:24:37 ◼   ► - It's doing its thing, and I'm getting to this.

00:24:40 ◼   ► So what I got this week, when I click into the music page,

00:24:44 ◼   ► is there's a grid of recommendations at the very top,

00:24:49 ◼   ► followed by Instagram-like auto-playing videos.

00:24:54 ◼   ► They're like Instagram stories.

00:24:57 ◼   ► They have like the little progress bar at the top,

00:24:59 ◼   ► and you can tap, tap, tap,

00:25:00 ◼   ► and you can switch back and forth between these videos,

00:25:04 ◼   ► Except they're not videos.

00:25:05 ◼   ► Well, they are videos, but they are songs

00:25:08 ◼   ► from a recommended album or playlist.

00:25:12 ◼   ► And they auto play.

00:25:13 ◼   ► And it's very easy to flick through all of this.

00:25:16 ◼   ► Like one swipe takes you to the next item.

00:25:19 ◼   ► It automatically centers in the middle of the screen.

00:25:22 ◼   ► Like for example, now I scrolled

00:25:24 ◼   ► and it took me to a recommendation

00:25:25 ◼   ► for the latest album by the 1975.

00:25:28 ◼   ► And it's playing a song.

00:25:29 ◼   ► If I tap, it takes me to the next song

00:25:31 ◼   ► in the album and so forth.

00:25:32 ◼   ► Now, most people hate this, right?

00:25:36 ◼   ► It's like, oh, why does Spotify need to, you know,

00:25:39 ◼   ► be similar to Instagram or be similar to TikTok?

00:25:42 ◼   ► Now, I'm not sure, again, I'm not sure this is

00:25:44 ◼   ► the TikTok design everybody's talking about

00:25:47 ◼   ► because it's not full screen.

00:25:49 ◼   ► I think the new one is supposed to be full screen,

00:25:52 ◼   ► but it's new to me regardless.

00:25:54 ◼   ► Like I didn't have this before.

00:25:56 ◼   ► It arrived a couple of days ago.

00:25:58 ◼   ► And I'm gonna tell you, I don't hate it.

00:26:01 ◼   ► Like, I actually find myself spending a lot of time just, you know,

00:26:09 ◼   ► flicking through these recommendations and be like, oh, this, like this small snippet, it actually...

00:26:13 ◼   ► Looking at these images, Federico, like on the Verge website, I think it might be,

00:26:18 ◼   ► because the images that they're showing, they're not like proper full screen,

00:26:23 ◼   ► but they have like the little lines, like an Instagram story post.

00:26:28 ◼   ► That's it. So I think that's what I got.

00:26:30 ◼   ► I sent you screenshots.

00:26:32 ◼   ► Yeah, this looks like what they released.

00:26:34 ◼   ► So it looks like you've got that new design.

00:26:36 ◼   ► I've got to tell you, I kind of like it.

00:26:37 ◼   ► Because it becomes a very quick way to see a bunch of recommendations,

00:26:42 ◼   ► immediately get some feedback from your action,

00:26:47 ◼   ► because you hear a snippet of the song.

00:26:50 ◼   ► You've got to believe that Spotify is using some kind of algorithm or AI

00:26:53 ◼   ► to determine the snippet of the song that sounds more enticing

00:26:57 ◼   ► and interesting to you and it works. Like you're flicking through and you're like "hmm, let me see

00:27:02 ◼   ► this" and you're here five seconds and you're like "yeah I wanna listen more of this" and so

00:27:06 ◼   ► you click in and you start listening to the full playlist or maybe that specific song.

00:27:10 ◼   ► It's actually quite nicely done and that leads me to the bigger topic of what's worse, trying

00:27:20 ◼   ► something new every so often. I mean Spotify tries a lot of designs. They have that sort of like

00:27:28 ◼   ► throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sick sort of UI approach. They change things a lot.

00:27:35 ◼   ► Some things don't make it to, you know, the real version of Spotify for the masses, and some things

00:27:41 ◼   ► they do. What's worse, doing that or being like Apple Music, which has been sort of stagnating for

00:27:48 ◼   ► for like five years at this point.

00:27:50 ◼   ► - I mean, I guess it depends on your taste.

00:27:52 ◼   ► It's like some people would want that, right?

00:27:53 ◼   ► They would want the staying.

00:27:55 ◼   ► So like, I don't remember what podcast I heard this on,

00:27:58 ◼   ► but I thought it was just like an interesting thing.

00:28:00 ◼   ► It's like, look, they're doing this for a reason, right?

00:28:03 ◼   ► Like they have the idea that people are gonna like this.

00:28:07 ◼   ► This kind of media is very popular in other places

00:28:11 ◼   ► and was, I'm sure also like, you know,

00:28:13 ◼   ► like when stories came around, there were people

00:28:15 ◼   ► that were like, "Oh, don't do this to my Instagram."

00:28:17 ◼   ► And then when TikTok existed and then Reels came around,

00:28:21 ◼   ► it's like, please don't do this to my Instagram.

00:28:22 ◼   ► But like everyone keeps doing it, right?

00:28:24 ◼   ► People keep consuming content this way.

00:28:28 ◼   ► There is like the idea of what people think they want

00:28:30 ◼   ► and what they actually do, you know,

00:28:32 ◼   ► like the algorithmic stuff in general.

00:28:35 ◼   ► And so like, this is just another example of that.

00:28:37 ◼   ► Like Spotify believe that this is an approach

00:28:40 ◼   ► that will increase engagement,

00:28:42 ◼   ► which is what they're looking for.

00:28:43 ◼   ► Like new music, it gives them the ability

00:28:46 ◼   ► to place kind of like paid music.

00:28:51 ◼   ► 'Cause you know like music labels can pay Spotify

00:28:53 ◼   ► to have their songs included in playlists.

00:28:56 ◼   ► It's like one of the ways Spotify actually makes money.

00:28:58 ◼   ► And so it gives them another avenue to do that.

00:29:01 ◼   ► I don't necessarily think it's a bad idea.

00:29:05 ◼   ► I like Apple Music's simplicity,

00:29:09 ◼   ► but I know this wouldn't be for me

00:29:11 ◼   ► because I'm not a new music person.

00:29:14 ◼   ► Yeah, unfortunately you're not.

00:29:16 ◼   ► But you know, it's like I have people in my life that are very good with music

00:29:22 ◼   ► and they tell me stuff that's good and that's how I let new music into my life, right?

00:29:27 ◼   ► You, Jon and my wife, like you are the people that care about finding new music.

00:29:33 ◼   ► She uses Spotify, right?

00:29:35 ◼   ► She uses and loves Spotify, yeah.

00:29:36 ◼   ► Okay, yeah.

00:29:37 ◼   ► Because she loves the playlists.

00:29:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:29:42 ◼   ► And so she finds new songs in the playlists, she hearts them, it goes into this awesome

00:29:46 ◼   ► playlist that she has of her liked songs which she then curates, adds and removes stuff over

00:29:51 ◼   ► time.

00:29:52 ◼   ► It's a great playlist, we play it a lot at home, it's one of my favourite playlists.

00:29:55 ◼   ► But like that's how, and then I find new music that way, like I'm not really like a "I want

00:30:01 ◼   ► to explore and find new stuff" kind of person, like I just like music in that way.

00:30:05 ◼   ► I think most people in their mid-thirties, right?

00:30:08 ◼   ► I think it is rarer in our age to be on the hunt for new music.

00:30:15 ◼   ► I think typically people find their music in their 20s, right?

00:30:18 ◼   ► And then like, that's their music.

00:30:21 ◼   ► That's kind of where I am, but a little bit's in here and there.

00:30:23 ◼   ► And so like that, this whole thing is just not made for me.

00:30:27 ◼   ► It's made for people who like to discover music.

00:30:29 ◼   ► And I'm just not necessarily one of these people.

00:30:31 ◼   ► Stephen, where do you stand on this?

00:30:33 ◼   ► I don't use Spotify, but I don't like the new design.

00:30:36 ◼   ► and I am much more like you than Federico

00:30:38 ◼   ► when it comes to music.

00:30:39 ◼   ► I think I'm in between you,

00:30:40 ◼   ► but I think I'm closer to you in terms of,

00:30:42 ◼   ► I mostly listen to stuff that I discovered

00:30:45 ◼   ► from age 17 to 23,

00:30:48 ◼   ► but I branch out some.

00:30:51 ◼   ► - But I think this design really is tailored

00:30:53 ◼   ► to the type of person that Federico is, right?

00:30:56 ◼   ► Which is like, this is a quick way

00:30:58 ◼   ► for you to get the hooks of new songs.

00:31:01 ◼   ► And if you like those hooks,

00:31:02 ◼   ► maybe you will like more from this artist.

00:31:04 ◼   ► And so like, if I actually think that if that's what they're going for, which they are, right,

00:31:09 ◼   ► like this is a good way to demonstrate that, right?

00:31:11 ◼   ► Like, because as well, like, I know people like this.

00:31:14 ◼   ► I don't like that Spotify is now playing screen is typically music videos.

00:31:19 ◼   ► Yeah, like that really annoys me.

00:31:21 ◼   ► Like, I don't want that.

00:31:22 ◼   ► It's very nice.

00:31:24 ◼   ► It's cool looking.

00:31:25 ◼   ► If you like that, like that's good.

00:31:27 ◼   ► And that only further makes this a good thing for you, right?

00:31:31 ◼   ► where like it's more music video stuff

00:31:34 ◼   ► and it's like quick hooks of songs

00:31:36 ◼   ► and you can get an idea if you're gonna like them.

00:31:37 ◼   ► It's like a good way to like triage a bunch of new music.

00:31:40 ◼   ► Like I think that it, I think this will work for them

00:31:44 ◼   ► even though a lot of the like public opinion is like,

00:31:47 ◼   ► "Don't put TikTok in my Spotify."

00:31:49 ◼   ► And it's like, "Yeah, well stop using TikTok then."

00:31:52 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:31:53 ◼   ► Like you're using TikTok.

00:31:54 ◼   ► And so that's why they're doing this.

00:31:56 ◼   ► If you didn't want that, they wouldn't do this,

00:31:58 ◼   ► but you want that so they're doing this, you know?

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00:35:10 ◼   ► - So I have a surprise topic for the show.

00:35:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, sure you do.

00:35:13 ◼   ► - I was waiting for the sound effect.

00:35:15 ◼   ► Let's go. - Go on.

00:35:17 ◼   ► - Let's quiz it up.

00:35:18 ◼   ► - I don't want you talking about it.

00:35:19 ◼   ► No, no, no, no, no, no, seriously, this is something else.

00:35:21 ◼   ► So on last week's episode, right,

00:35:23 ◼   ► we were talking a lot about AR and VR stuff.

00:35:25 ◼   ► Steven, you weren't here, but--

00:35:27 ◼   ► - I listened, it was great.

00:35:28 ◼   ► - I know that you listened, you always listen,

00:35:30 ◼   ► you're good like that.

00:35:31 ◼   ► So we were talking a lot about like working in VR,

00:35:34 ◼   ► and I had some experiences that I wanted to share.

00:35:37 ◼   ► - Oh, so this is not the quiz.

00:35:38 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:35:39 ◼   ► Nah, see.

00:35:40 ◼   ► - Welcome back to the Quizzies, all right, my curly quiz.

00:35:45 ◼   ► My connected co-hosts randomly and by surprise,

00:35:49 ◼   ► and a variety of varying subjects.

00:35:52 ◼   ► My name is Mike Hurley, as I mentioned.

00:35:53 ◼   ► Your competitors, Steven Hackett and Federico Vittucci.

00:35:56 ◼   ► Hello.

00:35:57 ◼   ► - Hello.

00:35:58 ◼   ► - Welcome back to my podcast, "The VINNA Podcast."

00:36:03 ◼   ► Steven, in 2023, you were at 440 points so far

00:36:08 ◼   ► that you have allocated.

00:36:10 ◼   ► Federico, you were in the lead this year with 530 points

00:36:14 ◼   ► due to your great work with emoji guessing in the Jeremy's.

00:36:18 ◼   ► Today we are going to be doing round two of

00:36:22 ◼   ► Do the Passionate Ones Know You?

00:36:25 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:36:26 ◼   ► - I asked our audience, the passionate ones,

00:36:28 ◼   ► to answer a selection of questions.

00:36:30 ◼   ► I have totaled their answers,

00:36:32 ◼   ► and I will need you to guess what results

00:36:34 ◼   ► they are most likely to have given to those questions.

00:36:37 ◼   ► There are five total answers available for each question,

00:36:41 ◼   ► with points available starting at 50 points

00:36:43 ◼   ► for the most popular answer,

00:36:45 ◼   ► then going down to 40, 30, 20, 10.

00:36:49 ◼   ► I have eight questions today.

00:36:51 ◼   ► - Eight, okay.

00:36:52 ◼   ► - So they're in pairs like last time, right?

00:36:55 ◼   ► So we start, we are going to start today

00:36:59 ◼   ► with what phone does Federico use?

00:37:00 ◼   ► Then we will move on to what phone does Steven use?

00:37:04 ◼   ► And we go on from there.

00:37:06 ◼   ► So are you ready to begin with round two

00:37:10 ◼   ► of the passionate ones?

00:37:12 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:37:13 ◼   ► So I asked the connected audience, the passionate ones,

00:37:17 ◼   ► what phone does Federico Vatici use?

00:37:22 ◼   ► That was the question.

00:37:23 ◼   ► What phone does Federico Vatici use?

00:37:27 ◼   ► Steven, I've forgotten how I do this, who goes first.

00:37:34 ◼   ► The person, I think the person losing should go first.

00:37:37 ◼   ► - Okay. - Okay.

00:37:38 ◼   ► - And I think that's the way that I would do it now

00:37:41 ◼   ► and then throughout the game,

00:37:43 ◼   ► whoever's winning losing in the game will get the first guesses on each

00:37:47 ◼   ► question. Does that make sense?

00:37:49 ◼   ► That's fair. Yeah. So I will ask you, Steven,

00:37:52 ◼   ► what phone does Federico use?

00:37:56 ◼   ► The iPhone 14 Pro Max.

00:37:58 ◼   ► And I should say at this point, no colors, sizes of like,

00:38:03 ◼   ► storage or anything like that.

00:38:05 ◼   ► Yeah. iPhone 14 Pro Max.

00:38:07 ◼   ► The iPhone 14 Pro Max.

00:38:12 ◼   ► That was the top answer.

00:38:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:15 ◼   ► 50 points.

00:38:16 ◼   ► Go to Steven. But you need to

00:38:18 ◼   ► remember that something being

00:38:20 ◼   ► correct is not necessarily

00:38:22 ◼   ► what people will say.

00:38:24 ◼   ► Right.

00:38:25 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:38:26 ◼   ► OK, so I'm going to go next and

00:38:28 ◼   ► guess the other answers

00:38:30 ◼   ► to this question.

00:38:31 ◼   ► Oh, yeah.

00:38:32 ◼   ► There are there are five answers

00:38:34 ◼   ► available.

00:38:34 ◼   ► They are incorrect.

00:38:35 ◼   ► It doesn't matter again.

00:38:37 ◼   ► OK, I feel like I need to restate

00:38:40 ◼   ► this because this is important,

00:38:41 ◼   ► especially for this particular game.

00:38:43 ◼   ► I know we had, we had some set up issues last time.

00:38:46 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:47 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:48 ◼   ► I don't.

00:38:49 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:38:50 ◼   ► I have asked a question.

00:38:51 ◼   ► What people have answered is what they have answered.

00:38:54 ◼   ► It does not matter if they are correct.

00:38:56 ◼   ► Like Steven not only got the top answer, it was the correct answer, but it just happened

00:39:00 ◼   ► to be the correct answer.

00:39:01 ◼   ► It just happened to be lots of people gave different answers to that question.

00:39:05 ◼   ► I'm just surprised they don't know the answer to these.

00:39:07 ◼   ► Like how did the people know, don't know which one they had?

00:39:10 ◼   ► I will tell you this was the highest answer at 61.7%.

00:39:14 ◼   ► Nice.

00:39:15 ◼   ► But there is 39--

00:39:18 ◼   ► there are 39% of people that thought

00:39:20 ◼   ► you were using a different phone.

00:39:22 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:39:24 ◼   ► OK.

00:39:24 ◼   ► I am really struggling here.

00:39:29 ◼   ► I'm going to say iPhone 14 Pro.

00:39:33 ◼   ► That is the second highest answer.

00:39:36 ◼   ► 26% of people--

00:39:37 ◼   ► Wow.

00:39:38 ◼   ► I believe that you are using an iPhone 14 Pro right now.

00:39:42 ◼   ► 26% of people don't know me.

00:39:44 ◼   ► Okay.

00:39:45 ◼   ► Okay.

00:39:46 ◼   ► What's more than that?

00:39:46 ◼   ► It's like 39%.

00:39:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:39:48 ◼   ► I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with iPhone 13 mini.

00:39:53 ◼   ► There's people always projecting, you know,

00:39:55 ◼   ► their love of small phones on other people.

00:39:57 ◼   ► So I think it's happened to Federico.

00:39:59 ◼   ► You are projecting this time, Steven.

00:40:01 ◼   ► That is not one of the top five.

00:40:02 ◼   ► I was projecting their projection is what's happened.

00:40:05 ◼   ► was three people who said iPhone 13 mini. One person said iPhone 14 mini, which doesn't

00:40:13 ◼   ► exist.

00:40:14 ◼   ► That's not a phone!

00:40:15 ◼   ► It's not a phone.

00:40:16 ◼   ► Okay, I'm gonna say iPhone 13 Pro Max.

00:40:20 ◼   ► That is the third highest answer. I have a theory on this, right, that some people forget

00:40:27 ◼   ► what number it is.

00:40:29 ◼   ► Like are we on the 13 or 14 now? I don't know.

00:40:33 ◼   ► just forget because 20 people said iPhone 13 Pro Max.

00:40:38 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with iPhone 13 Pro.

00:40:42 ◼   ► And you would be right to get the fourth highest answer that is 20 points available to Steven.

00:40:47 ◼   ► So there's the final answer.

00:40:49 ◼   ► The final answer for 10 points is still available.

00:40:55 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with the Google Pixel 7.

00:40:59 ◼   ► Some persons said Google Pixel 5, which again, interesting, that is not in the highest answers

00:41:08 ◼   ► there.

00:41:09 ◼   ► I'm going to give you one more guess each.

00:41:13 ◼   ► I'm going to go with the regular iPhone 14.

00:41:16 ◼   ► Can't change it?

00:41:19 ◼   ► Or too late?

00:41:22 ◼   ► No, it's locked in.

00:41:24 ◼   ► Like what would you have even changed it to?

00:41:27 ◼   ► The plus.

00:41:28 ◼   ► Okay, iPhone 14 is not in the top highest answers.

00:41:31 ◼   ► My final answer is going to be nothing.

00:41:34 ◼   ► Always a good one, but not in this instance.

00:41:38 ◼   ► Okay. What was it?

00:41:39 ◼   ► It's all iPhone.

00:41:41 ◼   ► iPhone? Like the regional one?

00:41:44 ◼   ► I don't know, but 11 people said iPhone, so I have to just go with what they're saying.

00:41:49 ◼   ► They just said iPhone.

00:41:50 ◼   ► Okay.

00:41:52 ◼   ► Okay.

00:41:52 ◼   ► So at the end of that round, we're on 70 points each.

00:41:58 ◼   ► - Ooh, so because we're retiring, I'm gonna be kind

00:42:00 ◼   ► and gonna give this one over to Federico

00:42:02 ◼   ► for the first guess.

00:42:03 ◼   ► Federico, what phone does Steven use?

00:42:07 ◼   ► - What phone does Steven use?

00:42:08 ◼   ► - Federico, I'll ask you as well.

00:42:09 ◼   ► What phone does Steven use?

00:42:11 ◼   ► Do you know? (laughs)

00:42:12 ◼   ► - You know, with all the flip flop, I actually lost track.

00:42:14 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:42:15 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:42:16 ◼   ► I genuinely don't know.

00:42:17 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, okay, that's good.

00:42:19 ◼   ► Well, that's good to know.

00:42:20 ◼   ► So it's not just me.

00:42:20 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with iPhone 14 Pro.

00:42:23 ◼   ► - Steven, do you use the iPhone 14 Pro?

00:42:25 ◼   ► What's up for the listeners to decide really, isn't it?

00:42:28 ◼   ► No, but I just want to know the answer to that.

00:42:29 ◼   ► What's your phone?

00:42:30 ◼   ► Now it's been put on the table.

00:42:31 ◼   ► Do you actually use the iPhone 14 Pro?

00:42:33 ◼   ► I'm on the 14 Pro Max.

00:42:34 ◼   ► Oh, wait.

00:42:36 ◼   ► Ooh, okay.

00:42:38 ◼   ► Did you start out with that?

00:42:40 ◼   ► Silent flip flop.

00:42:42 ◼   ► Did you do that?

00:42:43 ◼   ► You didn't tell her.

00:42:44 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:42:45 ◼   ► (gasps)

00:42:46 ◼   ► Oh my God.

00:42:47 ◼   ► Oh, you know what Federico?

00:42:48 ◼   ► I bet he told Mac Power users.

00:42:50 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:42:51 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

00:42:52 ◼   ► They're nicer to me than y'all are.

00:42:53 ◼   ► David's not nice to you.

00:42:55 ◼   ► he makes fun of you all the time.

00:42:57 ◼   ► The passionate ones agreed with Federico.

00:43:01 ◼   ► The top answer was the iPhone 14 Pro,

00:43:03 ◼   ► which I actually believe is the answer

00:43:06 ◼   ► that they should have known

00:43:07 ◼   ► because Steven hid his 14 Pro Max almost.

00:43:09 ◼   ► - He said, he said, I'm getting an iPhone 14 Pro.

00:43:13 ◼   ► - That's not a porno.

00:43:14 ◼   ► - When did you do that?

00:43:15 ◼   ► - It was really resuming. - Did you break your iPhone?

00:43:16 ◼   ► - No, no, no.

00:43:18 ◼   ► It was a situation where someone needed a phone

00:43:20 ◼   ► and I helped him out.

00:43:22 ◼   ► - Situation.

00:43:23 ◼   ► Someone. Someone. A situation.

00:43:26 ◼   ► A situation was me because I dropped my iPhone in a canyon.

00:43:29 ◼   ► I haven't broken a 14 of any size.

00:43:33 ◼   ► Well, you broke into the wrapping on a 14 Pro Max, didn't you?

00:43:37 ◼   ► You broke our hearts, though.

00:43:39 ◼   ► Why did you go from Pro to Pro Max?

00:43:41 ◼   ► Come on, with all the secrecy, you're worse than me with my secret articles.

00:43:45 ◼   ► I don't know about that. Let's not go that far.

00:43:49 ◼   ► Stephen, you're up.

00:43:53 ◼   ► iPhone 14 Pro Max.

00:43:55 ◼   ► Not only are you correct, that is the second highest answer.

00:43:58 ◼   ► You see what I'm saying Federico?

00:44:01 ◼   ► You're outraged at first, right?

00:44:02 ◼   ► Of like, what's the right answer?

00:44:03 ◼   ► There was no way for people to know.

00:44:05 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:06 ◼   ► I see what you mean now.

00:44:08 ◼   ► So we come back around to you.

00:44:09 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with the iPhone 13 Pro.

00:44:12 ◼   ► The iPhone 13 Pro is the fourth highest answer, getting you 20 points.

00:44:18 ◼   ► iPhone 13 Pro Max.

00:44:22 ◼   ► The iPhone 13 Pro Max is not on the list.

00:44:26 ◼   ► - Whoa.

00:44:27 ◼   ► - Whoa, okay, okay.

00:44:30 ◼   ► - iPhone 13 Pro Max, that was what you said, right?

00:44:34 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:44:35 ◼   ► - Was said by seven people.

00:44:37 ◼   ► - Wow.

00:44:38 ◼   ► - Wow, okay.

00:44:38 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with iPhone.

00:44:41 ◼   ► - Nice, not enough.

00:44:43 ◼   ► Unbelievably, right?

00:44:45 ◼   ► Nine people said it,

00:44:48 ◼   ► which was less than the 11 that said it for you,

00:44:51 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:44:53 ◼   ► - Wild.

00:44:54 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:44:55 ◼   ► - I'm gonna say the iPhone,

00:45:00 ◼   ► I'm gonna go back to the mini, the iPhone 13 mini.

00:45:03 ◼   ► - That was the third highest answer.

00:45:05 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:45:06 ◼   ► - Netting you 30 points.

00:45:07 ◼   ► You've never owned one of those, right?

00:45:09 ◼   ► - No, my wife uses one and we use it for all time, I think.

00:45:13 ◼   ► - Gonna give you one more guess,

00:45:14 ◼   ► it shows one more iPhone on the list,

00:45:17 ◼   ► the 10th, 10 points, which is the fifth highest answer.

00:45:20 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go with iPhone 14.

00:45:23 ◼   ► - That is it.

00:45:24 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:45:25 ◼   ► - Hmm, got it. - Okay.

00:45:26 ◼   ► - That was the 10 point answer.

00:45:28 ◼   ► Let me see, I've got some other interesting highlights

00:45:30 ◼   ► on this one.

00:45:31 ◼   ► We had iPhone 3GS.

00:45:33 ◼   ► There was, oh, this happened on yours Federico as well.

00:45:38 ◼   ► Multiple iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Pro Max.

00:45:43 ◼   ► iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max.

00:45:46 ◼   ► I don't know if these people think you have secret access

00:45:48 ◼   ► or if they have also just lost the plot

00:45:51 ◼   ► of where the numbers are.

00:45:52 ◼   ► We had one palm.

00:45:53 ◼   ► - And really, that's on Apple, right?

00:45:56 ◼   ► It's not on the listeners, that's on Apple.

00:45:58 ◼   ► - But for both of you, one person said banana phone,

00:46:02 ◼   ► and I don't really know what that means.

00:46:04 ◼   ► Yeah, banana phone.

00:46:05 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:46:06 ◼   ► - As usual, there are always people in these answers

00:46:08 ◼   ► who treat it like their own standup special,

00:46:10 ◼   ► who give very funny answers.

00:46:12 ◼   ► - Oh, I see, okay.

00:46:13 ◼   ► - The only I ever read, because most of them

00:46:15 ◼   ► I will never read aloud.

00:46:17 ◼   ► Please stop doing that.

00:46:18 ◼   ► At the end of the second round, Steven is at 140 points.

00:46:23 ◼   ► Federico is at 150 points.

00:46:27 ◼   ► - Ooh.

00:46:28 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:46:29 ◼   ► - So now we move into what watch does Federico wear?

00:46:34 ◼   ► - Who's going first?

00:46:35 ◼   ► - This will be for Steven because he is behind you.

00:46:39 ◼   ► - I'm going to say,

00:46:40 ◼   ► and thinking about when these questions were asked,

00:46:42 ◼   ► the Apple Watch Series 7.

00:46:45 ◼   ► - Good game play, my friend.

00:46:46 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:46:47 ◼   ► That is 50 points to you.

00:46:48 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with Apple Watch Series 8.

00:46:52 ◼   ► That is 40 points for Federico.

00:46:54 ◼   ► I'm gonna say the Apple Watch Series 6.

00:46:57 ◼   ► That is not on the list.

00:46:59 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:46:59 ◼   ► Ooh!

00:47:00 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with Apple Watch Ultra.

00:47:03 ◼   ► 20 points for Federico.

00:47:06 ◼   ► There were just an amount of people who were just like,

00:47:08 ◼   ► "He's on that train!"

00:47:10 ◼   ► Even though at that time, you were not.

00:47:11 ◼   ► Is it the fourth highest sensor?

00:47:14 ◼   ► Or the third?

00:47:15 ◼   ► That was the fourth highest sensor, yes.

00:47:16 ◼   ► So the third and the fifth one are still missing.

00:47:19 ◼   ► - Correct. - Okay.

00:47:20 ◼   ► - How did you word the question again?

00:47:22 ◼   ► - What watch does Federico wear?

00:47:24 ◼   ► - I'm gonna say no watch.

00:47:27 ◼   ► - That is 30 points, the third highest answer.

00:47:30 ◼   ► No watch or he doesn't.

00:47:32 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go with,

00:47:36 ◼   ► so you said the six was not on the list.

00:47:41 ◼   ► - Correct.

00:47:41 ◼   ► - And no, so basically the equivalent of nothing

00:47:45 ◼   ► is already in the list.

00:47:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, I will run through what we got.

00:47:48 ◼   ► The highest answer was Apple Watch Series 7.

00:47:50 ◼   ► Second highest answer was Apple Watch Series 8.

00:47:52 ◼   ► The third highest answer was no watch or he doesn't wear one.

00:47:56 ◼   ► The fourth highest answer was Apple Watch Ultra.

00:47:59 ◼   ► The fifth highest answer is what's left on the board.

00:48:01 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go with Apple Watch SE.

00:48:04 ◼   ► - Not one person wrote in to say that.

00:48:07 ◼   ► - That's what I was gonna go next if you didn't guess.

00:48:10 ◼   ► I'm gonna say, do I have another pick or are we done?

00:48:12 ◼   ► - I'm gonna give you both one more.

00:48:13 ◼   ► - Okay. - Okay.

00:48:14 ◼   ► I'm gonna say like traditional watch,

00:48:17 ◼   ► like a non-smart watch.

00:48:19 ◼   ► - Like an analog watch or something like that?

00:48:21 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:48:22 ◼   ► - This is split a little bit, you know,

00:48:24 ◼   ► like lots of people giving brand names or whatever.

00:48:27 ◼   ► That is not enough to get it on the board.

00:48:30 ◼   ► - I mean, if the Series 6 is not on the list

00:48:32 ◼   ► and analog watch is not, no watch, it's not,

00:48:36 ◼   ► it's not the SE.

00:48:41 ◼   ► I don't know. I'm going with a...

00:48:44 ◼   ► I'm going with Apple Watch Series 4.

00:48:47 ◼   ► Nobody said it.

00:48:48 ◼   ► Okay.

00:48:49 ◼   ► What was it?

00:48:50 ◼   ► There was one person said Series 3.

00:48:52 ◼   ► Four people said Series 5.

00:48:56 ◼   ► Oh, was it an Android thing?

00:48:58 ◼   ► No.

00:48:59 ◼   ► You should have consulted previous questions

00:49:02 ◼   ► because the fifth highest answer for 10 points was...

00:49:05 ◼   ► Apple Watch.

00:49:06 ◼   ► Uh...

00:49:07 ◼   ► Mmm.

00:49:08 ◼   ► It's that old one again.

00:49:10 ◼   ► Okay.

00:49:11 ◼   ► We got a few people saying two Apple watches.

00:49:14 ◼   ► One person said sweatshirt and jeans.

00:49:17 ◼   ► - Not a--

00:49:18 ◼   ► - There was someone didn't understand this question

00:49:21 ◼   ► because for both of them they answered the kind of clothes that you wear.

00:49:25 ◼   ► Which I don't know what happened with this individual.

00:49:30 ◼   ► But they-- maybe there's like a phrase that I'm not aware of.

00:49:34 ◼   ► One person thought that you were wearing a Disney Gucci grip,

00:49:38 ◼   ► which I don't even know what that means.

00:49:39 ◼   ► That sounds cool.

00:49:41 ◼   ► It sounds cool though, but that wasn't for you.

00:49:43 ◼   ► And one person said something Italian.

00:49:46 ◼   ► Okay.

00:49:47 ◼   ► Which may have not been a bad, you know, went up.

00:49:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:49:51 ◼   ► So we now finish that round.

00:49:52 ◼   ► It's very close today.

00:49:54 ◼   ► Federico on 210 points, Steven on 220 points.

00:49:58 ◼   ► Okay.

00:50:00 ◼   ► So Federico, we go to you.

00:50:02 ◼   ► Alright.

00:50:02 ◼   ► For what watch does Steven wear?

00:50:05 ◼   ► I'm going to go with Apple Watch Ultra.

00:50:07 ◼   ► and you would get the highest answer 50 points in your pocket.

00:50:12 ◼   ► Okay.

00:50:12 ◼   ► 82.2% of people said that.

00:50:17 ◼   ► They got you nailed.

00:50:20 ◼   ► The passionate wants no use, Steven.

00:50:21 ◼   ► Yeah, big orange, you know?

00:50:24 ◼   ► They knew that.

00:50:25 ◼   ► I'm gonna say Apple Watch Series 7.

00:50:28 ◼   ► It is on the board.

00:50:29 ◼   ► It is the third highest answer.

00:50:32 ◼   ► 30 points for you.

00:50:33 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with Apple Watch Series 8.

00:50:36 ◼   ► That is the fourth highest answer, 40 points for Federica.

00:50:39 ◼   ► Traditional watch.

00:50:41 ◼   ► That is not on the list.

00:50:41 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with...

00:50:44 ◼   ► There are actually less people that said this for Steven and Federica.

00:50:48 ◼   ► Like traditional analog watch or whatever.

00:50:51 ◼   ► Can you go over the board again, Mike?

00:50:54 ◼   ► The top three have been given so far.

00:50:56 ◼   ► Apple Watch Ultra, Series 8, Series 7.

00:50:59 ◼   ► Let me tell you, by the way, if you read the word "series" like 500 times,

00:51:05 ◼   ► it just loses all meaning. Like I'm looking at it now like in the list of answers like because I

00:51:11 ◼   ► have this like long list of every answer that gets calculated. The word series is a weird word.

00:51:16 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with the Apple watch. Good memory. 20 points. Okay. It's the fourth highest answer.

00:51:21 ◼   ► Federico's cleaning up in this round. Yeah it's not great. Federico scored 110 points in this

00:51:29 ◼   ► question so so what were the answers in the slot you have to face high stance

00:51:37 ◼   ► are left at ten points and we've said ultra series 7 7 and Apple watch yeah

00:51:44 ◼   ► and it was not traditional watch that's the only answer that has been correct

00:51:48 ◼   ► I'm gonna I'm gonna say the series for nobody said that at all mm-hmm give you

00:51:56 ◼   ► one more each. No Apple Watch. Oh nearly a clean sweep for Federico as he picks up the 10 point

00:52:05 ◼   ► answer. Wait wait wait wait wait wait I said traditional. Yeah that's not none. He said no

00:52:08 ◼   ► Apple Watch. What's the difference? Well none. No watch. Nothing that one. No watch. I take that

00:52:14 ◼   ► as no watch. That's not really what he gets. I know but it's the same thing like no watch right?

00:52:19 ◼   ► I know, but I'm giving him the points.

00:52:22 ◼   ► Collusion.

00:52:23 ◼   ► Potentially, yeah.

00:52:25 ◼   ► So at the end of that round, Steven has 250 points.

00:52:30 ◼   ► Federico has pulled away with 330 points.

00:52:34 ◼   ► Okay, how much? How much again? I'm sorry?

00:52:36 ◼   ► 250 for Steven.

00:52:38 ◼   ► 250?

00:52:38 ◼   ► For 330 for Federico.

00:52:40 ◼   ► Okay, okay. That's not bad.

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00:54:43 ◼   ► The Gucci grip is a weird looking watch. It's not good. Don't like it. I don't understand

00:54:49 ◼   ► why it's called grip and I don't understand why it looks the way that it does. It looks

00:54:55 ◼   ► like a, like an old timey weight scale. Yes. Yes. We will now go to Steven for the first

00:55:02 ◼   ► guess of the question, what is Federico's preferred iPad?

00:55:08 ◼   ► The 12.9 inch iPad Pro.

00:55:11 ◼   ► That is the top answer.

00:55:12 ◼   ► 50 points.

00:55:14 ◼   ► Are we separating by size in this category?

00:55:19 ◼   ► For the iPad Pros, yes.

00:55:21 ◼   ► Yeah, OK.

00:55:22 ◼   ► So I'm going to go with 11 inch iPad Pro.

00:55:25 ◼   ► That is the 40 point answer.

00:55:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:27 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:55:28 ◼   ► I didn't really have a good way to answer that question.

00:55:30 ◼   ► So the cat is just like, yes, we are.

00:55:34 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go to the humble iPad mini.

00:55:38 ◼   ► - Now Federico, do you use the iPad mini?

00:55:40 ◼   ► - No.

00:55:42 ◼   ► - Well, it's the third highest answer.

00:55:43 ◼   ► 30 points go to Steven.

00:55:44 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go with iPad Air.

00:55:45 ◼   ► - That is the 20 point answer.

00:55:47 ◼   ► You guys are clearing up.

00:55:50 ◼   ► So we go back to you Steven,

00:55:51 ◼   ► can you make it a full round of the board?

00:55:53 ◼   ► - So that's a lot of pressure.

00:55:55 ◼   ► So we've said 12.9, 11 inch.

00:55:58 ◼   ► - iPad mini. - We said iPad Air,

00:55:59 ◼   ► said iPad mini yeah I'm just gonna say iPad just iPad close that would have

00:56:07 ◼   ► been the sixth highest answer wait what no I'll tell you it would have been

00:56:11 ◼   ► there's no points available to it if that you know with the amount of

00:56:14 ◼   ► supplies that it got it would have been six what I will tell you right now is

00:56:17 ◼   ► what we are looking for has 0.4 percent of responses three people

00:56:24 ◼   ► - Oh, honest with this.

00:56:27 ◼   ► - Compared to the 500 people who said 12.9 inch.

00:56:31 ◼   ► Federica, this is your guess.

00:56:33 ◼   ► - Are there other iPads?

00:56:36 ◼   ► Steven just said just iPad, right?

00:56:41 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:56:42 ◼   ► - So that would be two people that said just iPad?

00:56:45 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:56:48 ◼   ► - An iPad Mini has already been mentioned.

00:56:51 ◼   ► I'm gonna go with no iPad.

00:56:54 ◼   ► One person said no iPad.

00:56:56 ◼   ► - That person knows Federico the least.

00:56:59 ◼   ► - I'm gonna give you guys another go around on this one

00:57:01 ◼   ► 'cause this is fun for me.

00:57:02 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:57:03 ◼   ► - So Steven, you're back.

00:57:04 ◼   ► - So it's gotta be like a really specific answer,

00:57:07 ◼   ► I feel like.

00:57:08 ◼   ► I'm going to say 2018 iPad Pro.

00:57:12 ◼   ► - No, no, no.

00:57:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I didn't include model years.

00:57:18 ◼   ► I did like crunch together the model years.

00:57:20 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:57:21 ◼   ► - Federico, you had the final guess in this round.

00:57:24 ◼   ► The question was about iPads, right?

00:57:27 ◼   ► - What is, the question was,

00:57:29 ◼   ► what is Federico's preferred iPad?

00:57:32 ◼   ► - Preferred iPad.

00:57:35 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know.

00:57:39 ◼   ► I am out of, I'm out of answers.

00:57:44 ◼   ► I'm just gonna say Surface Pro.

00:57:47 ◼   ► - For this one, everybody did answer some kind of iPad,

00:57:53 ◼   ► Right? Except for the fifth highest answer,

00:57:57 ◼   ► where three people said, all of them.

00:57:59 ◼   ► - Nice. Nice. Okay.

00:58:03 ◼   ► - Which in their defense, at a certain point,

00:58:07 ◼   ► has been true, right?

00:58:08 ◼   ► Where all of these four have been your preferred iPad

00:58:11 ◼   ► at different times.

00:58:12 ◼   ► - Who's flip-flopping now, boy?

00:58:14 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:58:15 ◼   ► - Indeed.

00:58:15 ◼   ► - That's a very good answer. Okay.

00:58:17 ◼   ► - We finished that round with Steven at 330 points,

00:58:21 ◼   ► Federico at 390 points.

00:58:23 ◼   ► So Steven did some good clawing back there.

00:58:26 ◼   ► As we go to the next question, which predictably is,

00:58:29 ◼   ► what is Steven's preferred iPad?

00:58:31 ◼   ► And we will go with Steven as the first guess.

00:58:33 ◼   ► - Wait, always Steven first?

00:58:36 ◼   ► - Because you're beating him.

00:58:38 ◼   ► - iPad mini, 50 points in your pocket.

00:58:41 ◼   ► - 11 inch iPad Pro.

00:58:42 ◼   ► - 40 points in your pocket.

00:58:44 ◼   ► That's the second highest answer.

00:58:46 ◼   ► - iPad Air.

00:58:47 ◼   ► - Man, you guys are going fast.

00:58:47 ◼   ► I haven't got time to put the answers in the sheet yet.

00:58:51 ◼   ► - Yes, that was the third highest answer.

00:58:53 ◼   ► That gave me a minute there.

00:58:56 ◼   ► I got a second there to put the answers in.

00:58:58 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go with iPad.

00:59:00 ◼   ► - Three people said iPad.

00:59:03 ◼   ► That is not enough.

00:59:04 ◼   ► - No iPad.

00:59:05 ◼   ► - 10 points.

00:59:07 ◼   ► - That's the fifth one, so the fourth one is still missing.

00:59:09 ◼   ► - That is the fifth highest answer.

00:59:10 ◼   ► The fourth highest answer for 20 points is still available.

00:59:12 ◼   ► - I'm going with the big iPad Pro, the 12.9.

00:59:17 ◼   ► - That was it.

00:59:18 ◼   ► Yeah, you guys did good on that one.

00:59:20 ◼   ► Mm-hmm.

00:59:21 ◼   ► So at the end of that round,

00:59:22 ◼   ► Steven's at 420 points, he's blazing it.

00:59:26 ◼   ► Nice.

00:59:26 ◼   ► Federico's at 450 points.

00:59:29 ◼   ► Still in the lead, but that lead is shrinking.

00:59:32 ◼   ► But I mean, he keeps going first, so, you know.

00:59:34 ◼   ► Yeah, boy.

00:59:35 ◼   ► Well, you continue to lead.

00:59:37 ◼   ► There should be a rule where you can only go first like twice in a row or something.

00:59:41 ◼   ► Otherwise, there's no point in winning the previous games.

00:59:44 ◼   ► You know?

00:59:46 ◼   ► Sure there is.

00:59:47 ◼   ► Mm.

00:59:48 ◼   ► so anyway, I will just say to that that he has gone first, but you you have also

00:59:54 ◼   ► gotten fifty point answers yeah, meaning he's still not getting them.

00:59:58 ◼   ► That's the rule we can evaluate the rule at a different time. We go into the next

01:00:03 ◼   ► round, which is what is federal coast preferred Mac

01:00:06 ◼   ► steven you go first Mac many fifty point answer

01:00:10 ◼   ► none

01:00:13 ◼   ► ten points for federal. I thought that'd be higher.

01:00:18 ◼   ► Honestly,

01:00:19 ◼   ► MacBook Air.

01:00:21 ◼   ► 30 points.

01:00:22 ◼   ► That is the third highest answer for Steven.

01:00:25 ◼   ► MacBook Pro.

01:00:26 ◼   ► You gonna ask for more?

01:00:27 ◼   ► 14 inch.

01:00:28 ◼   ► That is it.

01:00:30 ◼   ► 40 points for Federico.

01:00:31 ◼   ► We have the fourth highest answer on the board.

01:00:34 ◼   ► 20 points available.

01:00:36 ◼   ► 16 inch MacBook Pro.

01:00:38 ◼   ► 12 people said 16 inch MacBook Pro.

01:00:41 ◼   ► That does not put it on the top five.

01:00:45 ◼   ► The fourth is missing?

01:00:48 ◼   ► the fourth is missing. Can you go over the list again please? Sure can. The highest answer

01:00:53 ◼   ► was Mac Mini, then 14 inch MacBook Pro, then MacBook Air, then our missing answer and then

01:01:01 ◼   ► none. I'm gonna go with iMac. I think this is kind of surprising. Nobody said iMac. Well

01:01:10 ◼   ► because I never mentioned it. That's rough. Oh no I'm incorrect, there's five. I just

01:01:16 ◼   ► missed it but it wasn't enough it wasn't enough but five people said iMac so

01:01:21 ◼   ► wait Mac Mini 14 16 there's not a lot of Mac's left the Mac Pro three people said

01:01:28 ◼   ► Mac Pro I'm going with Mac studio that was what was left the fourth I never

01:01:36 ◼   ► mentioned the Mac studio in my life okay all right anyway and then at the end of

01:01:42 ◼   ► that round 500 points apiece.

01:01:46 ◼   ► Wow.

01:01:48 ◼   ► So we go into the final question.

01:01:50 ◼   ► OK.

01:01:51 ◼   ► What is Steven's preferred Mac?

01:01:53 ◼   ► Federico, you're up first.

01:01:56 ◼   ► What is he even using at this point?

01:01:59 ◼   ► Who could tell?

01:02:01 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:02:02 ◼   ► I mean, I'm torn between two.

01:02:05 ◼   ► How would the passionate ones respond?

01:02:08 ◼   ► OK, Mac Pro.

01:02:11 ◼   ► That is the second highest answer.

01:02:13 ◼   ► Yeah, okay.

01:02:14 ◼   ► 40 points.

01:02:15 ◼   ► Mac Studio.

01:02:16 ◼   ► That is the top answer.

01:02:17 ◼   ► 50 points.

01:02:18 ◼   ► There are three more answers left on the board.

01:02:20 ◼   ► 14 inch MacBook Pro?

01:02:22 ◼   ► The 14 inch MacBook Pro is not in our top five.

01:02:26 ◼   ► 13 people wrote in.

01:02:28 ◼   ► Wow.

01:02:28 ◼   ► That's wild.

01:02:29 ◼   ► But it is not there.

01:02:30 ◼   ► MacBook Air.

01:02:32 ◼   ► That is the third highest answer.

01:02:34 ◼   ► 30 points.

01:02:35 ◼   ► We have the fourth and fifth highest answer left.

01:02:40 ◼   ► Mac Mini?

01:02:41 ◼   ► Mac Mini, three people said Mac Mini.

01:02:44 ◼   ► That is not enough.

01:02:46 ◼   ► There were a lot of answers for this one, by the way.

01:02:48 ◼   ► Like a lot of Ryans.

01:02:50 ◼   ► - I'm sure some people were like,

01:02:52 ◼   ► the Performa 6400, right?

01:02:53 ◼   ► - It was split significantly.

01:02:55 ◼   ► - I'm gonna give the 16-inch MacBook Pro a shot.

01:02:58 ◼   ► - It's not there.

01:03:00 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go with the iMacs that Steven collected.

01:03:08 ◼   ► The, the, the, the plastic, what was it called?

01:03:11 ◼   ► The iMac G3?

01:03:13 ◼   ► Yeah, that one.

01:03:14 ◼   ► The iMac G3 is the fourth highest answer.

01:03:17 ◼   ► That is 20 points for Federico.

01:03:19 ◼   ► Okay.

01:03:19 ◼   ► That's so good.

01:03:20 ◼   ► There's one left.

01:03:22 ◼   ► I'll say this, this, this Mac left here, right?

01:03:28 ◼   ► Was very close to making it into Federico's top five, but it did.

01:03:32 ◼   ► Man, see that opens the door, right?

01:03:34 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:03:35 ◼   ► That's interesting.

01:03:37 ◼   ► I will tell you that that gives you nothing, right?

01:03:41 ◼   ► But it nearly made it.

01:03:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know what it is, but that's interesting.

01:03:45 ◼   ► One port MacBook, 12 inch MacBook.

01:03:49 ◼   ► Nope.

01:03:50 ◼   ► - I'm gonna go with the Cube.

01:03:52 ◼   ► - That was it.

01:03:53 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:03:54 ◼   ► - G4 Cube.

01:03:56 ◼   ► - Yes. - Come on.

01:03:57 ◼   ► - Yes.

01:03:59 ◼   ► - I'm not even mad, that's awesome.

01:04:01 ◼   ► - The G4 Cube.

01:04:03 ◼   ► But this is the fun thing.

01:04:04 ◼   ► So the G4 Cube for Steven, where is it?

01:04:09 ◼   ► 27 people wrote in.

01:04:11 ◼   ► For Federico, it was 18 people.

01:04:13 ◼   ► - Love those people.

01:04:14 ◼   ► Love those people.

01:04:15 ◼   ► - There's some incredible answers in here.

01:04:17 ◼   ► We've got the SE30.

01:04:19 ◼   ► - I'm not that old, come on.

01:04:20 ◼   ► - One person who just says it varies with the wind.

01:04:22 ◼   ► Well, really that should have been the top answer.

01:04:25 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:04:26 ◼   ► We got, yeah, there were a lot of Mac Pro answers in here.

01:04:32 ◼   ► Like Mac Pro came super close to being number one.

01:04:35 ◼   ► Like very, very close.

01:04:37 ◼   ► There were like, it was five responses different

01:04:40 ◼   ► between making those one or two.

01:04:41 ◼   ► - Wow, see that's why I was torn.

01:04:43 ◼   ► - Yeah, you were super close.

01:04:44 ◼   ► Like it was a very good.

01:04:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's really good.

01:04:46 ◼   ► - I guess one person said trashcan Mac Pro,

01:04:48 ◼   ► which would have made it even closer,

01:04:50 ◼   ► but I didn't lump those in.

01:04:51 ◼   ► I should have, but I missed that one.

01:04:53 ◼   ► But yeah, super close.

01:04:54 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:04:55 ◼   ► - So at the end of that round.

01:04:56 ◼   ► - Yeah. - Okay.

01:04:58 ◼   ► Federico scored 570 points.

01:05:02 ◼   ► Steven scored 580 points.

01:05:06 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:05:07 ◼   ► - Super close.

01:05:09 ◼   ► At the end of these quizzes,

01:05:11 ◼   ► Steven is at 1,020, Federico 1,100.

01:05:16 ◼   ► - Okay, wow.

01:05:17 ◼   ► - Thank you very much for participating and listening

01:05:20 ◼   ► to this edition of the quizzes.

01:05:22 ◼   ► The quizzes will return at some point in the future.

01:05:25 ◼   ► - I'm exhausted.

01:05:26 ◼   ► Okay.

01:05:27 ◼   ► The quizzes take a lot out of us.

01:05:29 ◼   ► I agree with you, Federico.

01:05:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, it is.

01:05:32 ◼   ► Please wrap it up.

01:05:34 ◼   ► I'm done.

01:05:34 ◼   ► I can imagine, yes.

01:05:37 ◼   ► Okay.

01:05:38 ◼   ► - That's why I needed the Red Bull.

01:05:39 ◼   ► Did you just open another one?

01:05:41 ◼   ► - That's me with water because I'm exhausted.

01:05:44 ◼   ► No, no, no.

01:05:44 ◼   ► - Okay, I was gonna say, what are you doing?

01:05:46 ◼   ► - Regular water, just water.

01:05:49 ◼   ► - We're at the end of the show,

01:05:50 ◼   ► don't have another Red Bull.

01:05:52 ◼   ► Because we're at the end of the show,

01:05:53 ◼   ► I'm gonna tell you all the stuff

01:05:54 ◼   ► that I tell you at the end of the show.

01:05:56 ◼   ► We have links to the stories we spoke about on the web

01:05:59 ◼   ► and in your podcast player.

01:06:01 ◼   ► On the web, they're relay.fm/connected/441.

01:06:06 ◼   ► There's a couple of things you can do in both places.

01:06:08 ◼   ► You can leave follow-up or feedback,

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01:06:18 ◼   ► Thank you all who've been using that tool.

01:06:20 ◼   ► It's been really awesome to see.

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01:06:24 ◼   ► which is a longer ad-free version of the show

01:06:28 ◼   ► each and every week.

01:06:29 ◼   ► This week we spoke about a drink that was invented

01:06:33 ◼   ► to save me from social embarrassment.

01:06:35 ◼   ► It's incredible.

01:06:36 ◼   ► You can find us all online.

01:06:38 ◼   ► Federico is the editor-in-chief of maxstories.net,

01:06:42 ◼   ► head of the whole Max Stories extended universe.

01:06:45 ◼   ► You can follow him at mastodon.maxstories.net as Vitici.

01:06:50 ◼   ► Mike is the co-host of a bunch of other shows

01:06:53 ◼   ► here on Relay FM.

01:06:54 ◼   ► He's also the co-founder and product designer

01:06:56 ◼   ► at Cortex Brand.

01:06:58 ◼   ► And you can find him at mike.social.

01:07:01 ◼   ► He's iMike over there.

01:07:03 ◼   ► You can find me every Sunday on Mac Power Users

01:07:05 ◼   ► and I write 512pixels.net.

01:07:08 ◼   ► And I am ismh@eworld.social on Mastodon.

01:07:13 ◼   ► I'd like to thank our sponsors this week,

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01:07:19 ◼   ► And until next week, guys, say goodbye.

01:07:21 ◼   ► - I do that too.

01:07:22 ◼   ► - Cheerio.