The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I hate looking at text manipulation and [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► JavaScript just makes me sad [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► of course we got a for loop with an [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► iterator that's great good language for [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► RI equal zero I less than words that [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► length i plus plus seriously that's [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► every sea-based language come on oh wait [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► no not necessarily it already even even [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► got objective c kit has been interesting [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► / collections without an explicit [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► iterator for many many years now in fact [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► it's been like seven different versions [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► of the iterating over collections even [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► PHP has that just depressing every [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► single javascript library influence [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► their on each thing you know and all the [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► the es6 and all the other you know yet [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► maybe even the later version cs5 have [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► stuff like this but then you gotta go [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► back down to just the very bottom [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► javascript is the new PHP I'm saying [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► don't forget to use triple equals avoid [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► those corporations we should probably do [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► some follow-up so chris adams in rodents [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► tell us about audio bus do you want to [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► talk to us about that John sure was I [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► think it was Marco who misled us on the [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► last program yet that's what about audio [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► bus being a network thing chris says the [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► audio was never relied on network back [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► for interprocess communication there's a [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► blog post by Michael tyson i think is [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► one of the creators will put a link in [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► the show notes and it explains that the [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► earliest versions of us used to midi sis [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► text messages which allow for arbitrary [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► buffers of data to be sent across the [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► minibus later migrated to mock reports I [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► know what those are which apples many [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► messaging is built on top of so there's [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► audio boss audio processor is getting a [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► bad rap on last episode is not as crazy [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► as we made it sound and how about the [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► internet audio framework [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► yeah and so the last episode we're also [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► talking about supported better supported [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► AP is rather not that put random [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► third-party thing is bad necessarily [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► especially since this building on top of [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► existing facilities like the midi thing [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► and mach port structure part of the [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► colonel that's underneath the iOS and OS [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► 10 and apple TV OS and the watch OSN so [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► on and so forth [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► well there is added in ios7 to the audio [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► unit framework something called interact [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► audio IA [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► that enables a the ability to send midi [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► commands and stream audio between apps [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► on the same device and so if there are a [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► bunch of applications that support this [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► mechanism as I imagine there are after [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► iOS 7 things like you know virtual [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► effects pedals you know for audio [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► applications that you can send a new [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► audio for one out together but of course [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► says marker pointed out last time skype [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► doesn't support these type of things [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► probably is never going to support these [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► type of things so there's still a place [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► for and officially supported by the OS [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► way to route audio arbitrarily because [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► all the audio is going through or the OS [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► are being over the is aware that it's [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► happening and the routing capabilities [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► are probably in there which is how tools [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► like loopback and audio hijack work [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► their magic but they're the fact that [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► they're using private api's makes them a [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► little bit dangerous that too to support [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► over the long term home so be better of [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► apple instead of you know instead of [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► forcing every single application [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► developer on an entire system to write [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► to a new API especially those [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► applications don't consider themselves [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► audio apps like the most is a geyser for [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► people who are making music applications [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► to work together it would still be nice [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► for the OS to expose the mechanisms that [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► are so clearly there to control the [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► audio routing at the ls level rather [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► than just the individual app level [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► cooperating with each other through the [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► US so Marco tell us about lightning only [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► headphones as John Casey asked about yes [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► this is not confusing at all so John [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► Casey asked about something crazy and i [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► will be talking about [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► so basically he he throughout the [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► industry idea regarding the future of [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► the iphone 7 not having a headphone jack [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► probably and a future makes headphones [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► are lightning only he said many phones [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► come with detachable and replaceable [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► cables any chance Apple might make a [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► replacement cable not just an adapter [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► dongle the idea there would be that [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► apple sells you a eight just a straight [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► replacement cable for your for your [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► legacy headphones and so one and [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► highlighting the rain has a little [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► skinny to plug in the headphones at the [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► top and instead of just being this cold [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► feet after the bottom this and of course [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► in the middle they could put a really [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► good clicker it should be great so [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► this is a great idea in in theory in [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► practice it would probably not work very [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► well because the problem is the the end [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► of the cable at the headphone at the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► earcups end of it that end is not [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► standard now usually it is either [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► another three-and-a-half a shack just [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► like that just like the end by the phone [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► or its it could be a smaller one the [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► two-and-a-half inch version of the two [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► and a half millimeter and then around it [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► you have a similar problem to the very [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► very first iphone or had that big [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► plastic surround and you couldn't fit [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► every kind of headphone plug into it [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► sometimes the plug would be too wide [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► like the the plastic around around the [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► plug would be too wide and it just [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► wouldn't fit around the housing around [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► the port that problem exists big time on [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► on headphones with replaceable cables [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► we're so often i'd say most of the time [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► a headphone can't actually even a [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► headphone that has a detachable cable [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► usually can't use another cable made for [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► a different headphone usually something [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► about it doesn't fit or it doesn't click [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► in right after some kind of locking [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► mechanism or something like that so in [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► practice the end of the headphone cable [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► on on the headphone on the earcup is not [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► standardized enough even among the ones [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► with removable cables to make it [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► possible for somebody to make like a [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► general-purpose aftermarket replacement [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► that fits a lot of them [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► that being said Apple could of course [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► make like one that works for all Beats [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► or at least the most common beats don't [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► have that many popular models they could [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► cover those and and cover a large [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► portion of the apple headphones using [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► population that is not saying it's [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► likely they would do this i think the [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► most likely answer is they wouldn't [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► dress at all and the answer would just [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► be well by new headphones or use our [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► adapter do all beats have detachable [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► cables my you know I don't know enough [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► about them to save all do i know many of [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► them do and and generally speaking [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► detachable cables are something i always [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► hope the headphones have and I always [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► always doing them if they don't in the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► review because especially reporting for [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► desk headphones not as necessary because [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► you tend not to wear those out [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► portable headphones you know they are [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► constantly being wrapped up and [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► unwrapped and putting back to taking out [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► and everything and select there's a lot [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► of stress on the cable [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► in the end usually what makes headphones [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► died what makes it fun to go bad or stop [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► being usable is usually one of two [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► things usually either the wire phrase [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► near one of the ends usually the phone [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► and but if it's a permanent cable could [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► also frame at the place where it meets [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► the earcup or if their beats they [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► literally break in half because the head [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► literally because if you're if you're on [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► if you have a plastic headband when when [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► you put headphones on the headbands to [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► stretch out a little bit and that is so [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► it's constantly being stretched and on [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► stretching stretching and rest of the [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► stress of that if you have an all [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► plastic headband very often results in [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► the headband cracking right in the [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► middle that is usually how bad [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► headphones break good headphones usually [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► eventually break is the cables go bad [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► somewhere on the way [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► alright anyway we have some super [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► important follow-up the internet and [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► prosper possibly the country or maybe [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► even the world would like to know John [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► what's going on with your destiny had we [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► talked about my when I had to move my [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► playstation 4 off of my plasma [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► television onto a separate gaming [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► monitor because i was playing destiny a [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► lot and I noticed that the HUD is up on [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► the screen while playing destiny was [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► burning into my plasma screen so i had [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► to evict the entire console from the [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► television which is kind of a shame [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► because it looked way better my TV that [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► doesn't this terrible little monitor [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► that i'm using right now but when i [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► moved it away i also set a calendar [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► reminder for a year in the future to say [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► course mom it reminding me to check [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► whether the Destiny HUD has finally worn [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► off of my television because of what i [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► heard from people had people have the [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► same model as me is that yes and [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► retention is a problem but in most cases [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► it's not actually permanent it just [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► takes forever to go away so it's fine [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► i'll put a thing for years some people [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► say it took many months some people they [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► took multiple years so i figure i'll put [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► a reminder for a year [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► it's not like I forgotten about it i'm [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► watching TV and I've been looking at it [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► fact i'm always looking my television i [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► was noticing that the you know the [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► cartoon network along with that I've [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► complained about impact shows was [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► burning in anyway this is the year [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► anniversary today I think probably the [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► day so I took a look at my television in [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► the various ways that you can do what [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► you put in solid colors behind it and a [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► pure white screen and stuff like that [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► and i can say that the from a normal [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► setting distance if I didn't know where [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► the HUD was supposed to be I wouldn't be [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► able to see it i think a normal person [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► would not be able to see it I can barely [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► see only the superb are the big bar that [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► feels with a with color as your super [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► gets charged up and turns the other ones [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► for charge [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► I can barely kind of make out where that [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► used to be no other part of the hundred [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► visible and that even like I i got [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► really close to television like am I [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► just imagining that it's there because i [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► remember where it was trying to love to [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► see this [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► so I its it is almost entirely gone you [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► can totally see the big c and the little [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► bit of the end cartoon network's that's [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► a good you know [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► thing to compare it to like I can see [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► the CN and Cartoon Network has been [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► banned from this television as well now [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► but so I say that the the estimated [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► experiment is not coming back to my TV [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► ps4 is not coming that evo x I might [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► move back for individual game or two but [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► i won't play destiny over there anyway [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► it has faded substantially so what look [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► like a permanent image retention was not [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► actually permanent just took a really [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► really long time to go away so i suppose [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► i put another calendar on him for a year [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► from now or visit for a second year to [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► see if it's really really gone but at [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► some point is one replaces TV with the [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► fancy old one so people need to start [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► making better televisions the name of [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► every episode people to start making [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► better television they do John [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► Syracuse's our noses the bad time for [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► tvs trying to wait about I i bought i [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► felt like i bought at the right time [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► about the peak of the previous [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► generation of televisions and now just [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► got just endure this until we can't go [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► outside [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► yeah it does seem like you bought [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► probably the best 1080p plasma that will [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► ever exist and probably the best plasma [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► that will ever exist and now you just [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► kind of have to wait for like when 4k [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► gets non stupid [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► well yeah they got to work out all the [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► HDR [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► stuff and work out their standards there [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► and then get the the old kinks worked [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► out like there was a fancier model than [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► the 1i got but had started lower [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► brightness and so I sacrificed and it [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► was also more money and I was like it's [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► very similar it's really too close to [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► call and I think the extra brightness [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► will be a what i want to be i bought [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► pretty much at the right time and I [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► lucked out with the the fan noise and [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► everything which I was afraid of that [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► turned out not to be an issue especially [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► compared to my previous television but [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► right now I when I finally did read up [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► on all the tvs and see us and everything [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► and now it's like just a battle over the [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► high dynamic range standards and you [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► know that all those different standards [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► and which channels are going to support [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► what for broadcast and we'll netflix [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► supported and what things the ultra HD [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► blu rays are supporting and what [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► television manufacturers are and it's [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► just it's a big mess i really want to [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► just be settled and then it and then of [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► course i'll let you have to make you [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► have to make a few generations always [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► before they get that worked out so the [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► long way to go here I mean a lot of the [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► HDR standards are being supported by [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► televisions the can actually display the [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► entire range of the HDR stuff yet so [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► yeah two or three years probably [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► now just to prevent us from getting a [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► crudload of email would you mind [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► reminding listeners what TV you ended up [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► I oh I don't remember the name for its [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► panasonic a vt60 excellent the zt60 was [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► the fancy this is the slightly fancier [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► alright thank you very much now do you [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► want to tell us about pirate eye patches [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► because we got a surprising about 15 [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► back about pirate eye patch is never in [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► my life did I think we would be getting [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► this series about pirate eye patches on [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► the accidental text podcast but here we [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► are [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► I opened the door the pirate eye patch [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► organized well finish closing here so [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► the first thing to point out which is [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► not something we discussed last time is [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► not whether or not the things we said [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► about a pirate eye patch is helping you [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► see in the dark or actually you know it [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► was actually true doesn't actually help [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► you see in the dark as we didn't like [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► the Mythbusters episode about that but [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► the larger issue of did lots of pirates [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► have eye patches and the consensus on [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► that seems to be probably not like [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► there's no evidence of that the only [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► reason we think that is because you know [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► Hollywood [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► and various movies and stories and [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► famous pirates and black beard and all [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► that other business or whatever but [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► historical records of parts like for [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► there a lot of one re odd parts were all [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► the Pirates wearing eye patches i can [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► see better under decks there's no [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► evidence for that so that is basically [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► probably really powerful you know and [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► not really based on anything but the [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► other part that we're talking about it [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► does that actually help you see [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► underdecks and this I think is a great [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► example of what i would call testing [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► versus explaining some somebody sent us [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► a link to this other podcast that had I [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► was I forget what it's called but it's a [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► like acuminate I podcast we asked [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► questions that an expert on to answer [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► and the question was like hey if you put [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► an eye patch over your I would that help [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► you see better because 1i will be [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► adjusted to the dark or whatever and [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► then the person on the show said their [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► answer contained all correct information [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► but didn't really lead to the correct [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► conclusion and the idea was that you [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► keep one eye under an eye patch and the [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► other eye out of it it's not as if the [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► eye on the eye patch of the people is [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► going to dilate massively and the eyes [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► out of the eye patch that people's not [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► going to because in general if one of [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► your pupils is way bigger than the other [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► you probably just got hit really hard [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► you should see a doctor like they they [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► tend to be the same size favors called a [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► consensual response or whatever like [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► that your pupils are basically you've [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► heard on all the television shows you [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► know are equal and reactive when they [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► did a little nightlight thing in your [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► eyes to make sure that a your eyes [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► respond to light by you know you people [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► getting smaller and be that they're [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► equal if one of them stays open [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► they want you to go to the doctor really [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► quickly right and so they said therefore [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► the whole idea of our iPad is silly [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► because it's not as if the one under the [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► eye patch is going to have a really [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► dilated people just waiting for you to [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► go under decks and flip up the eye patch [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► right now what the Mythbusters did [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► instead was rather than trying to think [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► of a theory why when Morgan said well [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► this is easy enough to test we just make [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► a dark place and put my passion [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► someone's eye and given some silly task [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► let's see how fast that we're an episode [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► but see how fast they can accomplish a [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► bunch of tasks and its really dark room [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► and tried with throughout without the [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► eye patch and the eyepatch just crushed [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► the non eyepatch one it was extremely [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► efficient way to see better in the dark [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► and so how do you how do you square this [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► circle that where the explaining things [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► went wrong is [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► the idea that the size of your pupils [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► the only thing that determines how well [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► you see in the dark that is one aspect [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► that would people opens up more to let [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► more light in the other aspect of it is [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► how sensitive little things in the back [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► of your IR and someone sent us a link to [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► think about astronomy red lights in [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► astronomy and wide running these red [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► lights when you're you know looking up [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► at the stars and that contains another [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► another theory of what helps you see in [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► the dark and it's the sensitivity of the [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► rods at the back of your eye that help [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► you see in the dark from this article [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► during daylight hours you're Roger [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► overexposed and so they're less [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► efficient as life gets them are chemical [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► change allows them to become even more [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► sensitive in your eyes become dark [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► adapted it only takes brief exposure to [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► bright light for the rods to overexpose [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► once that happens you have a half an [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► hour or more to regain dark sensitivity [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► so you really wanted to be on the [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► eyepatch not to change the size of your [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► people but to get the rods in that I [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► which are not consensual with the [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► resonator I'm like your your iris [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► dilation to get them to be more [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► sensitive to light and it's important [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► because if you expose them just for a [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► short period of time it's gonna take [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► like half an hour for them to get back [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► to super dark sent away because chemical [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► change in the eye and not just a [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► physical change and you know that simply [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► adjusting the aperture of your eyeball [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► is over is aperture basically yeah [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► so there you go everything you ever [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► wanted to know about pirate probably not [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► because people are still gonna want to [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► know why the hell did we think parts of [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► ipads i forget which particular pop [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► culture thing cost us to think that but [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► we're going to see whether or not they [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► have I patches if they did they could [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► use them just like the Mythbusters and [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► would help them see in the dark better [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► fair enough when do you want to talk [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► about how this relates to programming [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► well I don't know how like the testing [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► versus explaining i guess like one of my [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► pet peeves as an old cranky programmer [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► is if you hear it whether it's going on [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► between you and another programmer are [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► you here to other programmers sitting [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► here you talking to each other about [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► usually some sleep corner of the [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► language things people have talked about [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► language but even Google be an API or [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► whatever well if you do this you do that [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► it does that and you know if you if you [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► call it this way that will happen and [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► this thing doesn't have blonde and let's [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► go back and forth for what seems like a [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► really long time especially if they're [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► sitting near you and talking to you [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► going to get work done and didn't try [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► morning last seconds [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► yeah trying to help with like you know [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► explain to each other no actually [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► language works with all your not [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► accounting visible blah where there's no [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► reason to have this discussion because [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► in 20 seconds of typing you can find the [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► answer definitively like you don't have [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► to speculate about what the language [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► features like so is that a syntax error [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► or how would you do that expression of [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► this is the correct way to do references [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► or whatever don't speculate not debated [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► for 10 minutes just type it in pop up [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► there's your answer and then you can [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► talk about why that's the answer or [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► whatever but you don't have to do Google [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► searches not doing anything like [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► especially if your language of the rebel [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► just just find out so it's testing [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► versus explaining that explaining and [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► theorizing and thought experience a good [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► idea but when it's really really easy or [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► you know simple or very rarely available [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► to test it just testing this is faster [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► and better and will lead you wrong in [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► its own type of ways if you do your [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► testing badly but sometimes it things [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► are just very simple so the eyepatch [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► thing is like we have a theory we think [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► I patches help you see better in the [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► dark [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► is that true so easy to test you can [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► spend all day talking to you know [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► doctors and neurologists and theorizing [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► about know probably get the right answer [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► but if you get off on the wrong track [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► and think about all the dilation that's [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► not you know that that's not going to [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► help you there [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► it's just so much easier to test [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► something advisors knows or cares why it [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► works [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► they just tested it and assuming the [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► test is reasonably sound they come to a [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► useful conclusion in much less time [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► before we do the last bit of incredibly [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► incredibly exciting follow up our first [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► bunch of this week is Harry's go to [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► Harry's calm and use promo code ATP to [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► say five dollars off your first purchase [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► Harry's offers high-quality razors and [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► blades for a fraction of the price of [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► the big razor brands they started by two [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► guys who wanted a better product without [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► paying an arm and a leg they make their [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► own blades from their own factory an [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► oblate factory in Germany that they [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► actually bought these are high quality [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► high performing German blades crafted by [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► shaping experts give you a better shave [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► respect your face and your wallet here [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► is our first factory direct pricing at a [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► fraction of the big-brand prices there [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► about half the price of what used to [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► paying for big brand razor blades in the [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► supermarket now the starter set is an [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► amazing deal for fifteen bucks you get a [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► razor moisturizing shave cream or gel [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► and three razor blade cartridges when [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► you need more [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► blades just two dollars each or less so [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► in a package is fifteen bucks a 16 pack [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► is just 25 bucks 16 blade for 25 bucks [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► is roughly half the price of what you [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► would pay for the big brands you're [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► probably thinking of that sells the [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► expensive razor blade in the store and I [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► would say these are very comfortable to [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► those quality and performance wise half [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► the price [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► so with Harry's you get comfort closest [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► and comedians at the ridiculously low [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► price of under two dollars per blade [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► it's also very tastefully designed to [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► get these nice you know heavy weighty [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► handles kinda like like a modern madmen [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► kind of aesthetic really nice aesthetic [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► high-quality stuff feels good looks good [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► comes in great packaging the website [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► nice and easy to use and shave quality [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► is very good with Harry's you get all [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► this all at the half the price of the [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► big brands get started today with a set [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► that includes handle three blades and [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► shaving cream for just 15 bucks [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► including free shipping right to your [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► door [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► harrods.com use promo code ATP to save [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► five dollars off your first purchase [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► thank you very much to harry's now the [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► incredibly interesting follow-up that [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► we've been holding off on this whole [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► yes this is riveting and really [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► important actually I joke because it is [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► kind of silly but I was really [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► interested to know where the crap is the [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► serial code or serial number on a visa [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► mounts imac and we discovered last week [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► that the serial number for a regular [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► imac with the Bigfoot is on the bottom [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► of the foot right and so the question [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► was if you get one with with the VESA [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► mount that is like that custom on around [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► the back doesn't have the foot doesn't [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► come with the foot where they put the [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► serial number right and so we figured [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► you know probably would be somewhere on [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► the mount or what-have-you because where [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► else would it be [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► and sure enough James McCain has written [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► in and included a picture this is [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► professional level follow up right here [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► included a picture of exactly where the [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► serial number is on his visa mount imac [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► and so it turns out it is if you flip [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► the entire machine upside down its kind [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► of printed in there right by the fan is [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► that the exhaust or intake in the back [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► that is exhaust intake is it is the big [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► bridge in the bottom enough so anyway so [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► that's where it is [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► as it turns out i was waiting for Jason [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► smell to let us know but apparently he's [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► not caught up on the show I'm very upset [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► him but James McCain has saved the day [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► so thank you James [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► i remember back in the day speaking of [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► serial numbers that if you've got [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► certain repairs done to say your laptop [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► mac the serial number would change [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► because they give you a full [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► motherboards a pop or whatever and if [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► that's still the case you especially [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► that's why i was asking if this is a [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► sticker or etched onto the thing you [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► could end up [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► I mean you could end up with that they [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► replaced the guts of your imac with a [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► machine that has a different serial [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► number than the one that is actually [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► etched into the metal on the device [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► which can be very confusing to all [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► involved if you're not aware that i [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► think i remember we actually had [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► repaired only that maybe to a white [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► ibook maybe like my mom's why I book or [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► something we had some repair and they [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► said just so you know your serial number [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► will be changing but even though have [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► the same external case anyway I don't [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► know if that's still an issue but it [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► always struck me as weird it that they [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► would attach the serial number 22 the [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► physical device but it's really [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► connected to the innards of the device [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► you could end up in these are scenarios [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► where things are wrong i think they can [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► also like I don't know what does nothing [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► for geniuses consensus I think they used [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► to be able to change the serial number [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► of your motherboard by like flashing it [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► back to the old value but I don't know [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► if that's the thing that they did [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► yes so as a friend of the show Stephen [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► hacking in the chat is saying crap i [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► lost now they have to reseal realize the [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► boards and usually that comes with a [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► sticker you put over the edge serial [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► number also the tipster the chat is [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► saying the serials change for laptops [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► they will often swap the bottom cover [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► with one that has no cereal like to give [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► you a sticker all the Indian the [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► indignities yeah we we fixed your mac [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► which by the way here's a sticker to put [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► over the the beautiful laser etched in [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► serial number that's there [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► no thanks yeah i would mean the good [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► thing is that they're you mean on [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► laptops is it a problem on the desktop [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► at least they're like hidden away in [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► places that you'd never see it but if it [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► sits on your laptop like now the modern [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► ones that's on the outside on the bottom [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► we you would totally see that [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► well as I'm getting about [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► thing that has no serial numbers and you [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► can be like steve jobs with no license [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► plates on his car [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► yeah totally off the grid untracked by [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► Apple serial number readers I'm [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► untraceable except every other aspect [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► trees will accept by all the software i [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► just love how deeply offended you guys [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► are about the thought of having a [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► sticker on your computer [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► look either you're a sticker person or [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► you're not if you're not the idea of any [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► sticker on there is like is horrible [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► that's the whole reason we buy max we [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► wouldn't have intel inside and video [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► power all these like powered by [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► invention by asus like all this stupid [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► so they put on their computers then and [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► on the pc world and here we don't have [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► that if you are a sticker person you [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► probably want better stickers then [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► stupid apple secret them open [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► alright so moving out of follow-up apple [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► earnings were as we record last night it [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► turns out they made a lot of money go [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► figure [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► but there's a couple things that I think [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► are interesting first of all their [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► guidance for iphone sales is down a bit [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► so they haven't said if I if I [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► understood things correctly they haven't [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► said that they've sold less iphones [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► already but they are expecting to sell [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► SI phones in the next quarter is that [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► accurate as compared to compared to the [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► year-ago quarter right unless you're [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► there were a number of reasons and [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► liking the last year they there were [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► some overflow from the holiday quarter [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► that was very strong like some of those [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► happen in the next in you know the next [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► quarter and so we're not going to have [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► that this year and also last year's tons [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► of pent-up demand for the bigger screen [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► phones and this year that has been [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► alleviated and then there's currency [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► fluctuations and economy fluctuations [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► and everything else and I do we care [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► doesn't matter well i mean i don't think [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► we care about the details in the way [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► that the people of financial called do [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► like tell us exactly why this quarter [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► will be weaker than ever but like I'm [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► looking at a Jason sex college course [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► with all the pretty graphs and [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► everything you just look at the you know [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► the 24 according to a quarter moving [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► average graphs and try to get a shape of [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► the lines of the various products and [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► how they're doing and it's some kind of [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► our job because a lot of it is revenue [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► instead of units in these graphs but you [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► can get a kind of idea of where the [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► company is that with it [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► various product lines you guys looking [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► at this page mhm like look at Apple [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► revenue for quarter moving average [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► showing the total and the iphone ipad [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► and the mac mhm right so wait you get a [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► picture of the company here the total [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► line shows you the company still going [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► you know from the lower left of the [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► upper right more or less if you could [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► enter a trend line growth right good and [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► then we're gonna come from using his [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► iphone line that is going up but it's [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► starting to get a little hump at the top [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► of it not you know it's not going hockey [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► stick it upwards now starting to go more [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► like you know ski mobile monkey know [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► whatever you want to call it a mound [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► right the the slope is decreasing right [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► along the bottom you have the mac which [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► always on these graphs looks like just a [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► flat line because the fluctuations the [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► mac is so low below the iphone the [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► fluctuations are barely visible and [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► maybe at the ipad which like starts off [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► around the same as the mac makes a [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► tentative bid to go to the higher parts [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► of the chart and says nevermind and [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► actually dips below the mac in the most [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► recent year [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► yeah this was not a good report for the [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► ipad no yes look at that look at the [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► ipad one look at ipad units for quarter [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► moving average that now it looks like [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► it's like you know it's a it's hump it's [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► an upside-down you [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► it starts at the bottom goes up top and [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► starts going down again and now we're [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► getting like an actual proper hump but i [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► think is a better one later on if you [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► ever see like the ipod graft your single [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► graph with the ipod on it to the ipod [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► just looks like it comes out of nowhere [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► makes this big lump and goes back down [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► to basically zero it makes a nice [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► mountain in the graph like hearing on [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► the ipod oh nevermind had a good run [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► yeah it's over the course of many many [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► years but like that official can find [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► that graph the things that struck [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► striking out looking at the ipod is like [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► that the ipod is like it's hump is even [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► smaller than the ipad some for similar [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► size to the iPads and we thought the [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► ipod was this whole big world changing [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► apples the ipod company kind of thing it [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► is nothing compared to the iphone the [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► problem with all these graphs as soon as [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► you put the iphone the graph it totally [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► blows the y-axis and you can't read [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► anything anymore because it's a [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► ridiculously huge make so much money so [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► many units that everything else starts [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► to kind of even out but anyway I I the [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► one thing I put in the journals about [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► this is I think the ipad is the the real [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► story that i'm interested in at least [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► and learning the results yet one also [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► want one thing before it before we move [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► onto the ipad is obviously the iphone is [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► the company you know the iphone is the [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► most important thing in the company by [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► numbers and then by many other metrics [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► it by a longshot it's not even close [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► like it says it down here in on those [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► charges cause it's the iphone made [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► sixty-eight percent of the revenue in [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► the entire company the average selling [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► price of the iphone is incredibly [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► important to the company's financial [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► outlook and this is why you know it when [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► I when I make predictions or when i try [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► to explain things that that use the [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► iphone average selling price as a [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► justification for why Apple did or might [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► do something this is this kind of shows [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► you why that might override decisions [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► from Apple about things like what's [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► actually best for the customer or what [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► actually might be the best product [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► because it's everything's in balance [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► with apple with any company everything's [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► in balance [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► no company is like pure good are pure [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► evil everything's always these you know [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► contending factors that are that are in [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► a trying to reach equilibrium but [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► there's there's always the always [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► contention between them i don't have [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► contending is a word but it is now [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► anyway so with Apple they're always kind [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► of fighting between what they can make [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► you know what's possible to make what [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► they can ship on time [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► what's profitable and what's best for [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► the customer in the case of like the [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► iphone average selling price i think [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► they are definitely willing to do moves [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► that will raise the average selling [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► price by a substantial amount even if [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► it's kind of crappy for the customer and [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► I think you can look at the 16 gig base [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► size of the phones as one of the biggest [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► examples of this that there is almost no [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► other justification for that you can [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► look at almost every other reason people [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► get for that back when we all you know [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► disgusted two years ago or whatever and [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► you can you can rule almost all them out [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► by other supporting reasons that people [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► like well we buy all these phones in our [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► company and no one ever uses more than [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► 16 gigs [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► well you could also say a lot of phones [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► don't use the ear positive in the box [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► but they still include them like they're [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► or you don't [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► no your company doesn't use necessarily [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► like 3d touch but that thing's in every [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► phone to like so you can look at any [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► part of it and you can say like you [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► don't use this [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► that's not necessarily a reason why the [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► 16 gig thing has to be there and be [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► sucking be problematic for so many [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► people anyway so Apple is willing and [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► possibly i wouldn't say forced to but [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► there's their strong pressure for Apple [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► to keep that iphone asp up and growing [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► and so for them to to do things that [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► will increase the average selling price [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► by even a little bit it matters enough [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► and there's huge motivation to do it and [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► so you look at something like the [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► headphone jack thing and we're all [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► saying Apple always includes headphones [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► in the box [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► what if this fall the iphone 7 comes out [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► with no headphone jack and they don't [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► include headphones in the box then a [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► huge portion of iphone buyers are gonna [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► go spend 30 more dollars when they buy [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► that phone that's gonna be attachments [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► that counts towards the average selling [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► price i think of the phone itself anyway [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► however they can't really account for [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► that they're going to make a lot more [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► money if they do that you know you can [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► look at the cynically and you can see [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► you know you can say like Apple will do [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► this for sure because it'll make them [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► more money and it sucks for us or you [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► can look at it the opposite way and you [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► can say Apple always wants to do what's [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► best for customers they would never do [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► that for that reason i do that the truth [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► is somewhere in the middle there so we [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► have to consider that meat and we look [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► at what Apple does with a product line [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► especially in regard to the iphone and [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► how that impacts their profitability [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► even for kind of sucks for us and all [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► this financial stuff that comes out [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► every quarter is a perfect reason why [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► they have very strong reasons to to have [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► some contention there don't feel like [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► they're so wet average selling price [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► because they have in the past I've done [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► things that have heard there is a low [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► cross selling price in their products to [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► you know like the iPad Mini is a great [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► example but margins I feel like a lot of [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► their those decisions are just as easily [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► explained if not better explained by [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► margins because like the 16 gig think [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► the average sales price selling price [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► argument is this is going to push pull [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► up to the bigger model because they [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► don't feel like they can fit in 16 but [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► also just result in more people like 16 [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► you don't quite know example doesn't [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► break it down like that for us right but [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► surely one thing it does is increase [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► margins because it's like 64 already had [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► good margins and by keeping the lower [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► 116 you know like and try keeping the [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► price is basically the same that 16 gigs [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► they've including on there [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► the phone for years and years it just [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► got to be getting cheaper for them and [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► get the phone price hasn't been dropping [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► year-over-year over here so their [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► markets go up and I think there are [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► really sensitive to their margins their [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► margins of things like forty percent or [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► something across the board on all their [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► stuff so even if they have to drop the [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► average selling price by selling the [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► ipad mini I bet they're very sensitive [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► about what are the margins on the ipad [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► mini how can we bring that down by [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► putting crap your stuff in it you know [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► that's kind of always what they're [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► looking for [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► can we sell you something with last [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► year's technology and in some aspect [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► because it saves us money whether it's [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► like putting the the creditor camera and [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► the ipod touch that's not subsidizing [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► they have to have to maintain their [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► margins or you know whatever they put in [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► their low end phones or even on their [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► highest end phones will keep the price [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► is more or less the same but will give [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► you 16 gigs for years and years because [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► every year that gives us a little bit [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► more on the margins and like you said [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► Marko any anything you do whether it's [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► average selling price of margins [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► multiplied by the number of phones they [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► sell is a tremendous amount of money and [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► now that's a lot of what this call was [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► about was like a foreign exchange rates [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► and you know various other quote unquote [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► head winds these fluctuations and how [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► the dollar is valued against the other [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► currencies in the world as you know it [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► seems like it's not that big a deal it's [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► not like we're in some financial [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► meltdown where the dollar is like it [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► worthless or worth ten times more than [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► the other currencies in the world right [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► but even my new movement and in the [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► foreign exchange rates x apples revenue [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► equals these tremendous number of other [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► things that's all getting thrown around [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► on Twitter like the amount of money [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► Apple lost due to currency fluctuations [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► is larger than the amount of money [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► facebook made the entire year or [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► something like that like just the [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► numbers are so mind-bogglingly huge that [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► any like the fluctuations in the chart [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► looks like nothing like well you know [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► it's a few pixels lower or whatever but [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► like those pixels are billions and [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► billions and billions of dollars so it's [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► it's it's mind-boggling even consider [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► this and that's why I'm so glad another [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► financial world because trying to judge [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► Apple as a from a financial perspective [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► is just so so weird because of the way [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► the things they value seemed so out of [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► whack with the things that like a [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► regular person would value about a [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► company all they make a lot of money [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► they're profitable to have lot of money [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► in the bank boy that must be good stock [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► like no where's the growth [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► yeah this is like when something happens [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► i am so happy that I no longer buy or [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► sell individual stocks like you know i'm [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► i'm like why I have mutual funds that [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► include some of these things I'm sure [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► but I don't manage that myself and I [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► don't buy and sell stock anymore i'm so [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► glad because I like I would think of [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► things like you know the way you were [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► like I would think of things like well [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► you know apples doing great they have [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► great prospects they're making a lot of [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► money why this doctors take a dive like [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► and it would it would frustrate me like [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► crazy and of course that isn't how the [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► market works at all like the market [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► everyone says the market is stupid and [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► understand Apple know the market is [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► doing its own thing it's not stupid [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► there's a there's a lot to be said about [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► the bad but it's not stupid [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► there's some stupid like really doesn't [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► manifest in the other way where [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► companies are overvalued for like [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► because it means that my sister the farm [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► gambling buy low sell high how do I know [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► what slow well no it's something that's [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► gonna be high later and so people at a [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► bunch of people get together and say [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► look at that company that's going to be [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► super high later and you know it up and [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► have astronomical evaluation of it [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► because based on the potential this [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► could be really high later boys [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► everybody decides to buy this person's [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► this will be great but you know it's [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► basically it's speculation what do you [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► thinks gonna be high next year is going [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► to be apple is Apple going to go up by [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► fifty percent by next year or this [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► little company never heard of you can [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► buy the stock for pennies you know so [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► that's yeah it's not it's kind of [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► soccer's bed [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► not really because you can in theory [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► have some knowledge that will help you [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► do better witness people like Warren [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► Buffett and everything are pretty sure [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► not cheating [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► they're just a little bit better playing [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► this particular game of poker than other [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► so there is a skits and it's not a walk [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► there is a skill-based aspect but for [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► the most part like I don't get too mad [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► about the way Apple is treated by the [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► market because i have to think like I [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► mean this is whatever is something for [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► years and years like well but there's [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► nowhere to go but down there at the top [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► if you had thought that five years ago [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► in five years before that in five years [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► you just put him in wrong wrong wrong [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► wrong that's what all the animals always [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► point out it's like every time someone [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► says that Apple's at the top and they [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► can only go down you just wait five [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► years and you make fun of those people [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► right but at some point they'll be right [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► because it's not apple have all the [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► money in the world [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► you literally have no money example at [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► all and it's like Moore's law you can't [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► you can't keep doubling forever because [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► eventually you will have all the monies [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► RX ponder this week is Squarespace start [TS]

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00:37:16 ◼   ► website you make today at Squarespace if [TS]

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00:37:26 ◼   ► how much functionality it has and how [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► little work you have to do to get there [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► if you're going with it for other people [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► to even better is if someone asked you [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► but actual site for them if you don [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► Squarespace not only can you hand it off [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► to them and say here now you do it you [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► help yourself [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► not only that but if they need more help [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► if they need support if they need any [TS]

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00:37:47 ◼   ► technical support they asked Squarespace [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► not you you don't support it [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► Squarespace does if that's not a reason [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► to do it I I can't help you if they hate [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► it here making a website for somebody [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► and you want to support yourself every [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► time something has to be changed or [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► something breaks or the help but more [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► power to you that is not me though [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► for me I tell people to build if it's on [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► Squarespace they can usually do it [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► themselves right from the start they use [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► a slight push me and say here try this [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► so that's what I advise all of you try [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► making a site on Squarespace to make a [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► website given our CFR you get and I bet [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► you will stick with it and just leave it [TS]

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00:38:46 ◼   ► build a beautiful [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► what I found interesting about this is [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► that the ipads are down and down fairly [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► big [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► which in and of itself and we have [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► already covered that but having just [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► gotten a new ipad and now being able to [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► unlock if you will all the multitasking [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► features in iOS 9 I have fallen in love [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► with my ipad again and i know that a lot [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► of our friends even let in ones like my [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► curly who were kind of aggressively [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► anti-pattern very recently are now [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► falling in love with her iPad pros so [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► what gives am i weird in that I really [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► love my ipad mini and is Mike weird in [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► that he really loves his ipad pro a what [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► what is going on that apparently a lot [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► of people have fallen out of love with [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► the ipad can answer the easy questions [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► for us yes you're both weird but that's [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► not funny got there is a separate thing [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► exactly what i was thinking about this [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► and I think like now that we have a nice [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► shape to this graph and now you can [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► clearly see that it's like this [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► enough time has passed we could be like [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► it's not replacement cycle it's not some [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► other thing that would like it's just [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► basically like this this is starting to [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► take the shape of the other type of [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► devices and I'm although I still totally [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► saw and signed up with the idea of the [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► interface that we all know and love in [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► our phones being eventually being the [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► thing thats the plants will be currently [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► no is the pc whether or not the ipad [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► doesn't i'm not sure but what the way [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► I'm conceptualize the ipad now which I [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► think kind of explains like your case [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► your attitude towards it and Mike's and [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► everything is that currently for now the [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► ipad is a specific product not like the [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► tablet in general the ipad a specific [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► product ID c is to feeling two main [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► roles first it is a rich toddlers toy [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► and because i mean and i'm loving myself [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► in that my kids have iPads there-there [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► the kids rich people write in general [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► like I most of the people i know who [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► live in a similar place that I do have [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► suburban lies professional jobs they [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► have ipads think of to the kids [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► sometimes their hand-me-down iPads or [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► whatever but just like I CLI pads that [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► are used by kids right so it is it and I [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► say toddlers because once the kids all [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► they want to phone right [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► yep and that's that's obviously you know [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► that's everything any [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► other thing the ipad is is to you Steve [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► Jobs province [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► it's a truck the ipad has the truck of [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► the world of you know iOS and touch [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► devices or whatever [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► most people don't need a truck most [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► people get away with the car which is [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► called the phone that does everything [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► they could possibly need but some people [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► the weird people need a truck not just [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► add pros the truck but the entire ipad [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► line is now revealing itself as the [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► truck was everyone else is saying you [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► know what the phone is fine [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► the phone is all I need phone does [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► everything i want and then in the other [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► realm that you could say it's not a rich [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► tell their story what about the non-rich [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► toddlers I think tablet still have a [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► role for you know for everybody for [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► little kids in particular this is a [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► great that's like you know a great [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► little child's toy but this is my cheap [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► android tablets they can watch youtube I [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► think like if i replace my kids iPads [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► with like $99 android tablets just [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► played youtube they will be mostly [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► satisfied like that's mostly what they [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► do with it is used to watch youtube [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► doesn't take too much to run youtube so [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► in the current the current life of the [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► ipad product line they seem like you [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► know a a product that is as a much much [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► narrower appeal then the phone and [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► that's what they're really competing [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► with is the phone not the laptop at this [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► point or whatever so it in that light [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► I think it's a good move for Apple to [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► finally gotten off its button down the [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► ipad pro which by the way doesn't factor [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► at all these results and I wouldn't [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► expect them to move [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► I mean factor somebody like the ipad pro [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► came at the tail end of the results that [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► we're looking at right here but it's not [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► that's not a mainstream product right [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► it's never you know so anyway the ipad [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► is going to be a truck make a better [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► track for crying out loud right you know [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► what I mean that's I mean like you know [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► the in the in the original analogy the [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► pc or that you know that like that the [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► the computer was the truck and the you [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► know iOS devices were the cars and I [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► think like I think the pc still is the [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► truck and the ipad is like the maybe the [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► El Camino or like that whatever that [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► well that's your room half truck thing [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► oh god I know exactly what you think [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► about by can I can't place the Baja [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► that's it is yes it's like it's not even [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► it's neither a great car nor a great [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► truck it's it's kind of in the middle [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► there do it there's maybe there's a [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► reason why the El Camino is not made [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► anymore [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► the subaru baja is not is not the most [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► popular car I had nobody looks at the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► subaru baja and said this is the future [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► of cars you know the same way like [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► everyone looks at the ipad and says this [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► is the future of computing but it is [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► what it is like a totally is like yet no [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► it totally is i mean we we have borne [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► out one way when they said that they [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► mean like us like that a thing that is [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► not a PC because it's totally not a pc [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► right that you interact with mostly by [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► touching and it is the future of [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► computing because that's what everybody [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► does it but it's also that they do it on [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► their phone it's like always the tablet [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► separate thing for the phone or is it [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► just the same exact thing as the phone [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► to get a bigger size and it is but it's [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► like why would you think that bigger [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► size so most people don't most people [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► especially the big honkin phones most [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► people that's all they're ever gonna [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► need like the pc is still this separate [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► separate thing but if you just set aside [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► the pc entirely and just look at the [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► computers that most people use for that [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► person their personal computers are [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► their smartphones at this point and why [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► would you ever need one that's bigger [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► than your big phone [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► well that's kind of like the truck of [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► the of the phone were like if you [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► pretend pcs don't exist which basically [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► as far as my kids are concerned they [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► might as well not exist like so many [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► kids like like your parents have a [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► computer but why would you like I'm [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► waiting to see if my kids will ever ask [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► to have their own computer they asked to [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► have their own iOS devices and phones [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► without any prompting very very early [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► none of them even said hey I'd like to [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► have my own computer because the [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► computer is something that your parents [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► you so it's categorically different [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► that's why I'm refocusing and saying now [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► forget about that crap that your parents [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► use that you don't understand that in [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► some other room has this thing attached [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► to it with a with or without a wire and [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► think about your world of computing [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► which is a bunch of these screens most [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► of them are like I just want to phone I [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► can talk my friends I can I can watch [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► youtube videos I guess music I'm good to [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► go right and maybe i'll go into my [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► parents room to type the papers or [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► whatever but sometimes they might want [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► something bigger to do more truck like [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► things and i'm not entirely sure that [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► this upcoming generation is going to [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► occur to them immediately to sail now [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► any DPC rather they might say I have [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► weird needs so I want one of those big [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► fancy iPads now that the subaru is the [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► by that was the brat but anyway that [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► they're they're both true the brad is [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► the very old one which is actually what [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► i was thinking of in the Baja the newer [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► one is actually called the brat [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► yes they read [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► it's written on the side of it was great [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► we're a little like a c-pillar [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► equivalent on the pickup truck hybrid [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► thing can't imagine why they changed it [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► yeah but like the reason that i think is [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► apt is because we all recognize that the [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► ipad is not a great truck and yeah I Pad [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► Pro is a step in the right direction to [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► say give us an even bigger screen gives [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► a stylist make more room for the [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► multitasking stuff that you've added [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► right it's a baby step in the right [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► direction to really being like if you're [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► gonna go truck go all the way but even [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► if they succeed in that endeavor even if [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► they say oh now the ipad is the truck of [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► the new family of computing devices [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► because this entire family collectively [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► as the future of computing and some [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► people need to do fancy stuff like say [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► run xcode on their iPad or wherever [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► they're going to be doing 10 years in [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► outright does that suddenly means this [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► ipad sales curve that we see making a [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► big humping on talent was gonna reverse [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► know because most people don't need [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► trucks like nothing nothing can save the [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► truck from being the truck nothing can [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► save the computer that most people don't [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► need nothing is ever going to make the [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► mac pro like sell like the iphone [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► nothing is ever going to hockey stick [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► any of these things up and so for now [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► for the ipad product specifically just [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► use pogo stick as a verb [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► that's right I did it it's a [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► well-established have on the show my god [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► nothing is going to change the the [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► inherent nature of of that the and even [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► even the pc is like what if i pass [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► replace all the pcs go look at the pc [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► trendlines those aren't great either the [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► only thing that is going that has been [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► going upward like a hockey stick has [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► been the phone and even the phone is [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► loving off a little bit at a certain [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► point and the reason the phone is [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► leveling off I feel like not that Apple [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► specifically but eventually with [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► everybody eventually there's only a [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► certain number of phones you can sell in [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► the world once every single human [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► everything human alive babies adults [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► everybody has a smartphone then you're [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► just fighting over how many you know [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► they're just fighting of who gets this [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► album right so you can have a hundred [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► percent market share I cell phones every [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► single human alive in the planet but [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► you're never gonna get more than that [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► right so eventually all these curves [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► have to level off and smartphone really [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► is a type of product that can have that [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► kind of penetration so I when I look at [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► the ipad curve and I see it going down [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► and I see the phone leveling off the [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► phone is like well Apple you gotta [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► compete with the other phones that are [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► out there to make sure you maintain your [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► market share in the ipad i just feel [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► like it is slowly growing in [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► it's destiny as the truck of the new [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► world of computing but I just just like [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► it should be a better truck i agree with [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► some of what you just said but I i just [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► i see a better future for the pc than [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► that I think you do and a lot of people [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► do and you and again I think you're [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► right it's not going to be it's not [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► going to really go up from from where it [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► has been you know I i think it's gonna [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► go down a little bit and then just kind [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► of level off at some point where like [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► the pc really is the general utility [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► computing device and and that is [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► incredibly powerful and there are so [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► many things that you know we we can all [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► call them edge cases we can we can say [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► like you know like you like you look at [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► you look at so much of of what iOS [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► devices can't do and so many of them [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► seem like well almost no one needs that [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► and that's true but almost everyone [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► needs like one of those things and it's [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► kind of like that the world of of people [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► who need computing computing tasks or or [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► abilities that the iOS devices and and [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► that that worldview of computing can't [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► address is a pretty big group of people [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► so i think the computer will always be [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► relevant in the same way like Microsoft [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► has always been relevant they used to be [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► dominant and the only game in town and [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► now Microsoft is this kind of like [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► mostly ignored boring company that no [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► one talks about but that still has a [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► great business and still you know very [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► useful to a lot of people no one we [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► talked about microsoft but their stuff [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► is still very very popular it's [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► financially seemingly ok and the end [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► like a lot of people relying on stuff [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► together worked on and i think that the [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► pc in general whether it's windows or [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► mac and I don't make that distinction [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► right now I like the pc in general is so [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► general purpose it is so capable [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► it is so unbounded by so many of the [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► restrictions that modern mobile devices [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► have it both physical and software [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► restrictions there is always going to be [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► a market for a more customizable more [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► open architecture more like hardware [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► diversity kind of platform because [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► there's always going to be edge cases [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► and as these mobile devices get smaller [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► simpler more lockdown fewer ports [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► everybody come on you know if you like [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► all the all the stuff that we celebrate [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► as consumers as like oh wow this is [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► great is getting thinner and lighter and [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► and everything is even more lockdown was [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► before thanks a lot like this all that [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► is very powerful in certain ways and if [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► you're making something that's going to [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► sell as many units as possible to as [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► many people as possible that is a good [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► way to do it and that's that's going to [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► keep working i always say never bet [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► against the smartphone's very powerful [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► but i don't think that has to come at [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► the expense of the entire pc business it [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► will come at the expense of some of the [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► pc business but again I don't think like [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► not a lot of people are saying you know [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► what I don't even need of computer [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► anymore i'm just going to use my phone [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► for everything [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► some people say that with the ipad and [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► so the ipad is certainly more of a [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► threat than the phone is but i think [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► it's much more likely that like the [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► people who are still using PC's today [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► even when good tablets are available i I [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► don't see a whole ton of them making [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► that jump if they haven't already know [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► what those people died i guess that's [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► the way it works those people died and [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► the people who were formerly using PC's [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► like we're waiting for maybe not the [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► ipad specifically but tablets in general [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► the idea that something without the the [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► paradigms and the complexities that we [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► currently associated with the personal [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► computers that tablets can eventually [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► replace them and that maybe eventually [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► the things that we think of as tablets [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► now will eventually be called pcs that [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► to distinguish them from the phones but [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► they won't because they won't be running [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► windows are running OS 10 they won't [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► have that they won't have like discs [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► that you mount and volumes and expose [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► file systems and all the things that we [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► associate with personal computing now I [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► like that's why I'm starting its do [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► important to differentiate between the [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► ipad is a product which apple may never [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► get their act together on right and the [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► tablet is a whole the idea that a future [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► computing device should be more [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► appliance like and probably also mobile [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► visiting with the moore's law stuff like [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► having lots of headroom to put powerful [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► he hungry things and there is fine but [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► at a certain point you can't like a [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► certain point we need another [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► technological breakthrough to think [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► we compute and if we can't do that then [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► you just basically say well the fastest [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► cpu and the entire world that's in a [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► battery-powered device and we haven't [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► figured out how to make faster because [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► we have very bad into quantum computers [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► or optical computing or anything yet so [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► in the meantime enjoy your quote-unquote [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► pc which is basically a big honkin [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► tablet because that's what are the two [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► generations of children know how to use [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► and they have no idea what the hell [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► you're doing with that freaking mouth I [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► just want to touch the screen right so [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► whether Apple is the one that does that [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► to somebody else long-term after we're [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► all dead [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► i think the the total market for people [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► who need to computing besides using the [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► appliances in their home and their phone [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► will probably about the similar size of [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► the quote-unquote pc market today but i [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► would expect tablets to slowly [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► cannibalize that but maybe the whole [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► line on the graph stays about the same [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► while above it floats all the other [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► mass-market devices but that's that's [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► where the tablets are battling down [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► there with the pcs who is going to who [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► is going to be to get these people who [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► need more than a phone can do their job [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► who who's going to serve them and right [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► now it's the mac vs windows computers [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► versus a whole panoply of tablets vs [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► surface vs chromebook sources you know [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► all these things that are like pcs and [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► post pcs battling and I just have to [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► give the edge to the ones with less [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► legacy crap that are more understandable [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► for people to use even if right now [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► they're just not powerful enough as we [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► talked about the last show to actually [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► replace those i think i think we'll be [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► gone by the time it happens by just look [TS]