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156: A Mac on Fire

 

00:00:00   I have not looked at the show notes by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   the way so whatever we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1">TS</a>]

00:00:03   going to be suppressed me your job you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3">TS</a>]

00:00:05   try to use a ipad full-time so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5">TS</a>]

00:00:07   basically all you today so it looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/7">TS</a>]

00:00:09   all right we're going boy we sure got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/9">TS</a>]

00:00:14   lot of feedback about last week's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/14">TS</a>]

00:00:17   episode like a lot and this you know so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/17">TS</a>]

00:00:20   last week's episode we were especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   unusually critical of apple and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/22">TS</a>]

00:00:25   particular their UI design it recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/25">TS</a>]

00:00:29   especially things like the apple TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/29">TS</a>]

00:00:31   the Photos app we have so many responses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/31">TS</a>]

00:00:34   from that and they are split right down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/34">TS</a>]

00:00:37   the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/37">TS</a>]

00:00:38   it was a very polarizing episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   about half of the comments said I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/40">TS</a>]

00:00:44   believe you are still you're so negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   about Apple I'm getting so tired of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/46">TS</a>]

00:00:48   i can I just can't listen anymore this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   is I just can't take it anymore I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/50">TS</a>]

00:00:52   take the negativity and the other half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/52">TS</a>]

00:00:55   was I am so happy you guys are finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/55">TS</a>]

00:00:58   saying all this stuff for that you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/58">TS</a>]

00:01:00   drawing attention to this problem that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/60">TS</a>]

00:01:02   also agree with or have or thank thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   goodness I'm so happy you you covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   this including people in apple but said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/67">TS</a>]

00:01:10   they were very happy that we covered it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/70">TS</a>]

00:01:11   so I don't know what to think about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/71">TS</a>]

00:01:14   did you actually count them I've meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/74">TS</a>]

00:01:17   to count them as well because i felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/77">TS</a>]

00:01:18   like it was definitely was it was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/78">TS</a>]

00:01:20   not lopsided one way or the other but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/80">TS</a>]

00:01:21   I'm like you know you like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   perception of the feedback is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/83">TS</a>]

00:01:25   like maybe I'm thinking am I weighing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   the ones that agree with me too much or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   am I weighing the ones that disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/89">TS</a>]

00:01:30   because they feel bad too much like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   sighs you know I should just count them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/92">TS</a>]

00:01:33   but I of course i never got around to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35   but I should go back and do that to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   visit my impression just based on feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   was that it was more slightly more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/99">TS</a>]

00:01:43   supporters than detractors but I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/103">TS</a>]

00:01:47   know I could be wrong enough but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/107">TS</a>]

00:01:49   it was definitely not a landslide in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/109">TS</a>]

00:01:50   direction other and the end like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/110">TS</a>]

00:01:53   wasn't so much the volume of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/113">TS</a>]

00:01:54   feedback as each piece of feedback was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/114">TS</a>]

00:01:57   very emphatic about whatever their point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   was you they really really loved it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   are like thank God for our that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   great episode or the best episode ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/123">TS</a>]

00:02:05   or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/125">TS</a>]

00:02:05   ever or the exact opposite that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   worst ever i hate you all goodbye and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/127">TS</a>]

00:02:10   yeah it's funny I didn't count either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/130">TS</a>]

00:02:12   but I'm but my conclusion was nearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   identical my conclusion was it was split [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/134">TS</a>]

00:02:17   really close to 50 50 I would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   say it was slightly more you guys need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/139">TS</a>]

00:02:22   to stop whining and slightly less oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/142">TS</a>]

00:02:25   thank goodness somebody's saying it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/145">TS</a>]

00:02:28   it was near as makes no difference to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   5050 and and I was I don't know is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/150">TS</a>]

00:02:34   little bit sad to see so many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/154">TS</a>]

00:02:36   upset about it but by and large I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/156">TS</a>]

00:02:40   like the feedback was certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/160">TS</a>]

00:02:41   polarizing like market said yeah I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/161">TS</a>]

00:02:44   better about even even though the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/164">TS</a>]

00:02:45   who didn't like me you like it you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   it like it like this you know everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   entitled to their opinion right but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/169">TS</a>]

00:02:50   i really felt like a you know as we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/170">TS</a>]

00:02:52   been talking about these various issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/172">TS</a>]

00:02:53   related to apple that of all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/173">TS</a>]

00:02:55   episodes we've had that have touched on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/175">TS</a>]

00:02:57   these topics i thought it was fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   constructive like that it wasn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   complaining for the same plan that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/181">TS</a>]

00:03:02   were trying to figure out like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/182">TS</a>]

00:03:05   you know describe the problem in detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   just like I did not like I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/187">TS</a>]

00:03:09   good Apple TV it's bad like we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/189">TS</a>]

00:03:12   reasons right and then and then trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   to dig and why those reasons there what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/194">TS</a>]

00:03:15   could they do differently like specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/195">TS</a>]

00:03:18   and constructive right and and without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   any sort of their four apples doom stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/200">TS</a>]

00:03:23   and I can you know so i guess for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/203">TS</a>]

00:03:25   people did the making it specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27   instructive doesn't matter as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/207">TS</a>]

00:03:30   like you know just taking too long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   her whatever anyway yeah you might try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34   to change anyone's mind about what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/214">TS</a>]

00:03:35   do or don't want to hear in a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   but for my part at least that's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   always aiming for is if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   be talking about problems that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43   having try to do it in a constructive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/225">TS</a>]

00:03:45   try not to be mean-spirited not to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/225">TS</a>]

00:03:49   carried away but to really get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   heart of the matter and try to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/231">TS</a>]

00:03:52   figure it out imagine that it was your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   problem to solve how would you solve it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   what is what is the way to fix this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   that's what that's what I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/238">TS</a>]

00:03:59   thinking yeah great so I'm hopefully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   we'll have some happier show's over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/241">TS</a>]

00:04:04   next few but knowing us we'll see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/244">TS</a>]

00:04:06   hurts and hopes but but speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/246">TS</a>]

00:04:09   happy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/249">TS</a>]

00:04:10   do we have any follow-up a couple items [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   here this last episode as part of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/252">TS</a>]

00:04:16   critiquing the photos you I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/256">TS</a>]

00:04:18   general trend on the mac of simplifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   mac applications one of the quotes i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/260">TS</a>]

00:04:24   threw out that i thought was I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/264">TS</a>]

00:04:26   don't remember the designers now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/266">TS</a>]

00:04:27   thought was the guy not the bang & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29   olufsen guy maybe daram maybe him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/269">TS</a>]

00:04:32   that's what I think you thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   yeah I thought it was some designer many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/274">TS</a>]

00:04:35   people point out to me after the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/275">TS</a>]

00:04:36   that the quote i was calling about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/276">TS</a>]

00:04:38   simple as possible but not simpler was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/278">TS</a>]

00:04:41   not a designer of apparently it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   attributed to albert einstein and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   this up on Wikipedia or not we could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   there wikiquote sorry sorry and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   actual quote as is often the case the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/289">TS</a>]

00:04:52   actual supposed quote that led to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   thing I was quoting his much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/294">TS</a>]

00:04:55   complicated and much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/295">TS</a>]

00:04:57   albert einstein and I guess here is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/297">TS</a>]

00:05:01   can scarcely be denied the supreme goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/301">TS</a>]

00:05:03   of all theories to make the irreducible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   basic elements as simple and as few as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   possible without having to surrender the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   adequate representation of a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   datum of experience that does not roll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   off the tongue like it's more possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/313">TS</a>]

00:05:14   and no simply write this was brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/314">TS</a>]

00:05:16   this is from on the method of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   theoretical physics the herbert spencer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/318">TS</a>]

00:05:20   lecture delivered oxford intense 1933 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/320">TS</a>]

00:05:23   alright so that is a real thing that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   said that was recorded that sounds a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   do you know if you if you simplify the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/327">TS</a>]

00:05:28   sense it is much like what i said and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   then the quote investigator com story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/330">TS</a>]

00:05:33   talks about how the quote attributed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/333">TS</a>]

00:05:34   Einstein may have arisen from that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/334">TS</a>]

00:05:38   the variant is everything should be made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/338">TS</a>]

00:05:39   as simple as possible no simpler and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   on and so forth so we'll put all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/341">TS</a>]

00:05:42   links in like all these kind of quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/342">TS</a>]

00:05:44   that you've heard attributed to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/344">TS</a>]

00:05:45   particular person it's hard to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/345">TS</a>]

00:05:47   where they actually came from but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49   sentiment rings true with enough people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   that this quote in this idea survives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53   despite it's a cloudy origins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/353">TS</a>]

00:05:57   alright so tell me about photos crop in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/357">TS</a>]

00:05:59   aspect behavior series so a lot of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/359">TS</a>]

00:06:02   complaints were focusing on the photos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04   application which i use a lot in which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06   still do like but their frustrations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/366">TS</a>]

00:06:07   with the Apple product design in with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/367">TS</a>]

00:06:12   using photos as an example and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   one of my major complaint was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/374">TS</a>]

00:06:15   dealing with the cropping photos and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/375">TS</a>]

00:06:18   reconstructing their aspect ratio and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   stuff and couple people have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/380">TS</a>]

00:06:21   suggestions to make that easier inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/381">TS</a>]

00:06:23   the application one of them is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/383">TS</a>]

00:06:24   keyboard shortcut which if you hold down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/384">TS</a>]

00:06:26   the shift key you can constrain the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/386">TS</a>]

00:06:29   proportion to the original proportions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/389">TS</a>]

00:06:31   circuit with that is you have to hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33   down the shift key before you begin the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   drag unlike a lot of other operations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   and like graphics applications or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/397">TS</a>]

00:06:39   know that you may be familiar with where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40   you start save dragging a selection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   outline and photoshop and if you hit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   various modifiers to constrain it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   can switch those modifiers in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/406">TS</a>]

00:06:47   of the drag with this you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/407">TS</a>]

00:06:49   holding down shift before you begin the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   dragon you begin a drag than nothing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/411">TS</a>]

00:06:53   shift makes any difference so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/413">TS</a>]

00:06:55   going to know and there was a theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/415">TS</a>]

00:06:58   that nobody offered in the feedback that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/418">TS</a>]

00:06:59   were totally expected to get and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/419">TS</a>]

00:07:00   literally nobody sent a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/420">TS</a>]

00:07:03   selling various keyboard shortcuts but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/423">TS</a>]

00:07:05   nobody sent this idea and it is a reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/425">TS</a>]

00:07:08   to try to explain why photos every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/428">TS</a>]

00:07:11   you go to edit an image and the crop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/431">TS</a>]

00:07:13   thing you have to have the aspect menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/433">TS</a>]

00:07:15   and select original even though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/435">TS</a>]

00:07:16   what I want every single time you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   setting aside the keyboard shortcuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/438">TS</a>]

00:07:19   forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/439">TS</a>]

00:07:20   why does it not remember that every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   I go to crop I want the aspect to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   original right why is it just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   remember like the last thing I used or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/446">TS</a>]

00:07:27   have a preference or something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   you don't even need a perfect setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/449">TS</a>]

00:07:30   just basically when i change that pop-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/450">TS</a>]

00:07:31   menu leave it that way until I change it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/451">TS</a>]

00:07:34   again and my theory if I had to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/454">TS</a>]

00:07:36   someone explain that default aside from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   them possibly just saying oh we never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/458">TS</a>]

00:07:39   got around to making that sticky would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   be that if you remember the last setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   used in applications trying to be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/464">TS</a>]

00:07:46   simple as fotos is someone go in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/466">TS</a>]

00:07:49   and for you know how to make a square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   photo or something so they would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/471">TS</a>]

00:07:52   know figured find the little aspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   things like Square and resize their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/474">TS</a>]

00:07:55   photo and crop it and be done and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/475">TS</a>]

00:07:58   three days later come back and go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   crop a photo and just try dragging the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/480">TS</a>]

00:08:02   little outline and have it all the Sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/482">TS</a>]

00:08:03   snap to a square and they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   understand why is it why does it keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/485">TS</a>]

00:08:06   snapping to ask where I don't want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/486">TS</a>]

00:08:08   be a square or you know or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/488">TS</a>]

00:08:10   thing i wanted i want to do freeform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   cropping here was and they won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14   remember that like the settings don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   think it's broken or someone different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/496">TS</a>]

00:08:17   will come to the program and not realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   that it is remembering last thing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/499">TS</a>]

00:08:20   resetting from zero every single time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/500">TS</a>]

00:08:21   gives what they think is the sensible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   defaults for everybody which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/503">TS</a>]

00:08:25   unconstrained which I don't know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/505">TS</a>]

00:08:26   sensible default but in theory you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   argue that by remembering the last thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/508">TS</a>]

00:08:31   you picked is making the application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/511">TS</a>]

00:08:32   appear broken to future people who may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   not know about the aspect menu or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   someone who picked it from the item last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   time do I don't think that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/518">TS</a>]

00:08:39   reason to do it an application like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/519">TS</a>]

00:08:40   photos because i think that is not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/520">TS</a>]

00:08:43   common as like I think you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/523">TS</a>]

00:08:45   gearing the application to novices too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/525">TS</a>]

00:08:49   much and that you should be realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/529">TS</a>]

00:08:50   that everyone starts off as a novice but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   if you use photos to your after year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/532">TS</a>]

00:08:53   after year eventually you will learn a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   thing or two and become it's not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   expert at least proficient user and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   constant annoyance of having to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   that are having to hold down the shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/540">TS</a>]

00:09:01   here having to do whatever overwhelms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   it's of my opinion is still the same but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05   if I had to make the counter argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   against my opinion try to explain the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   behavior of photos as it exists that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/549">TS</a>]

00:09:10   one explanation and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   explanation a lot of people get which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/552">TS</a>]

00:09:13   think is not an explanation all i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/553">TS</a>]

00:09:14   is obvious but we should have pointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/554">TS</a>]

00:09:17   out in the past so is that part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/557">TS</a>]

00:09:20   simplification of these various mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   applications is to make them look and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/562">TS</a>]

00:09:25   work more like their iOS counterparts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/565">TS</a>]

00:09:27   was counterparts obviously have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/567">TS</a>]

00:09:29   more simple necessarily because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/569">TS</a>]

00:09:31   have to work on a phone screen in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/571">TS</a>]

00:09:32   cases obviously you can't have giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/572">TS</a>]

00:09:35   toolbar buttons you just have room for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/575">TS</a>]

00:09:36   anything you have to simplify right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/576">TS</a>]

00:09:40   on the mac the whole point of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/580">TS</a>]

00:09:41   discussion wasn't on the macbook same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42   constraints don't hold so for the sake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   of uniformity trying to say we just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/584">TS</a>]

00:09:45   it look and work the same in both things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   then you just not treating the mac the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/587">TS</a>]

00:09:49   way it should be treated it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/589">TS</a>]

00:09:50   the advantage of the mac platform should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52   be realized in the applications that run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/592">TS</a>]

00:09:53   them they should it shouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   constrained to the lowest common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/595">TS</a>]

00:09:56   denominator is defined by phone or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/596">TS</a>]

00:09:57   whatever but also like you know just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   the same way that like it was the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   thing for the phone and for the ipad to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   not just have mac OS like shoved onto [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/603">TS</a>]

00:10:06   them and and just pour it onto them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08   straight in that same way having iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/608">TS</a>]

00:10:11   things just shuts down to the mac is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/611">TS</a>]

00:10:14   appropriate for the mac and we can look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   at the last you know what five years of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   Western releases like basically since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   lion as they have attempted to to shove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/620">TS</a>]

00:10:24   iOS things onto the mac and most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/624">TS</a>]

00:10:27   time it really flops it or it's just bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/627">TS</a>]

00:10:30   I or at best mediocre there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/630">TS</a>]

00:10:33   bunch of like the iOS application of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/633">TS</a>]

00:10:34   magnitude been tempted and it just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36   just lands flat it just doesn't doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/636">TS</a>]

00:10:39   feel right on the Mac just in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/639">TS</a>]

00:10:40   way that the mac you I wouldn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/640">TS</a>]

00:10:41   right on the phone that I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/641">TS</a>]

00:10:43   worst one is where they they decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   they have to have down like maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   down to the pixel but basically the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/647">TS</a>]

00:10:48   glyphs the same icons the same sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/648">TS</a>]

00:10:51   menus like when I see a mac application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   with like basically in ios7 style button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   that is really just plain text like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   language doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/657">TS</a>]

00:10:58   doesn't fit in the back because the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   of the Mac isn't like that most Matt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/660">TS</a>]

00:11:01   Capps and i like that on the mac buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03   have little outlines and stuff they look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   like little capsules blah blah you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/665">TS</a>]

00:11:06   there is a design language for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/666">TS</a>]

00:11:09   controls and experience on the market is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/669">TS</a>]

00:11:10   different from the phone and so on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12   application lands on the mac setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   aside the functionality and how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   things are hidden away or if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/676">TS</a>]

00:11:17   designed her phone screen they'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/677">TS</a>]

00:11:20   change the surface part of it to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   when act weird and it doesn't fit in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/682">TS</a>]

00:11:25   so the photo suffers from all that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/685">TS</a>]

00:11:26   massively simplified lots of stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/686">TS</a>]

00:11:28   hidden many things are constrained like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/688">TS</a>]

00:11:29   a little pop-up thing with the sharing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   that we talked about this just way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/691">TS</a>]

00:11:32   small for no reason that the icons or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/692">TS</a>]

00:11:35   sometimes identical to the ones on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/695">TS</a>]

00:11:37   phone and I think they're trying to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/697">TS</a>]

00:11:38   a family resemblance but they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   the there has never been in ios7 style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/700">TS</a>]

00:11:43   revolution in the mac you I Yosemite was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45   as close as they came with flat and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   stuff out and took away a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   gloss and everything but it is by no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/709">TS</a>]

00:11:50   means like iOS 7 was on the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/710">TS</a>]

00:11:54   the ipad where it radically changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/714">TS</a>]

00:11:57   the look and feel and the way you design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   applications right before we get our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   photos one last item is a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   suggested keyboard shortcuts i know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/723">TS</a>]

00:12:04   lot of these I looked him up and help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   someone so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/726">TS</a>]

00:12:07   one of the issues that I've complained [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/727">TS</a>]

00:12:08   about the past that I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/728">TS</a>]

00:12:09   emphasized last time as well is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/729">TS</a>]

00:12:10   photos likes to ignore my keystrokes not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/730">TS</a>]

00:12:13   all of them most of the time the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   keystrokes land but if I had a penny for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   every time I hit the spacebar nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/737">TS</a>]

00:12:18   happened in photos i would have be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/738">TS</a>]

00:12:21   to buy a nice meal because it like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   so the same thing for like rotating or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   you know hitting enter to edit or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/745">TS</a>]

00:12:28   know command keys usually have a higher [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/748">TS</a>]

00:12:29   percentage like man harder to rotate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   bird seed crop and stuff like that but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   don't know where those keystrokes go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35   I know if there's a responder chain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/755">TS</a>]

00:12:36   thing falling down and it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/756">TS</a>]

00:12:39   it's just like super mightily delayed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41   and I get impatient and hit again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   sometimes I will just say you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/763">TS</a>]

00:12:44   I'm not going to do it again maybe did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/764">TS</a>]

00:12:45   register just wait and Eleni after 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   seconds you like note that space bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49   just went into the ether so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/769">TS</a>]

00:12:52   keyboard shortcuts are not personally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/772">TS</a>]

00:12:55   not a solution for most people using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/775">TS</a>]

00:12:56   application because most people never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/776">TS</a>]

00:12:57   going to memorize those keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/777">TS</a>]

00:12:58   shortcuts but even for me know some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   them the keyboard shortcuts become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/780">TS</a>]

00:13:01   unreliable as well every time i get i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/781">TS</a>]

00:13:04   you know a drop aspect original with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   mouse cursor it works every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/786">TS</a>]

00:13:07   it's just tedious that's why I end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   doing repeatedly rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/789">TS</a>]

00:13:10   the temperature of the keystrokes if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/790">TS</a>]

00:13:12   do the keystrokes and wait for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/792">TS</a>]

00:13:13   three-count another happens then I end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/793">TS</a>]

00:13:14   up going to the mouse anyway right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/794">TS</a>]

00:13:16   somebody has sent to us and I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/796">TS</a>]

00:13:17   apologized because I don't know who sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/797">TS</a>]

00:13:20   this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/800">TS</a>]

00:13:20   but somebody sent us a bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/800">TS</a>]

00:13:23   headphone dongle concept which was done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   by sean nelson this is on partly Sean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/805">TS</a>]

00:13:28   dot-com and I'm glad that one of you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   this in the show notes because I meant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/810">TS</a>]

00:13:31   to and I completely forgot this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   actually a really interesting idea so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/813">TS</a>]

00:13:34   the the general premise here is hey if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/814">TS</a>]

00:13:37   the iphone 7 really does give up the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/817">TS</a>]

00:13:41   headphone jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/821">TS</a>]

00:13:42   then what would Apple do to kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/822">TS</a>]

00:13:45   bridge the gap between the the phone not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/825">TS</a>]

00:13:49   having a headphone jack and all of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   having these for these headphones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   are probably not bluetooth and so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/833">TS</a>]

00:13:55   shawn nelson person did a prototype a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/835">TS</a>]

00:14:01   concept of hey here's how Apple could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/841">TS</a>]

00:14:04   fix us what it is is a circular park [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06   that has a headphone port like you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/846">TS</a>]

00:14:10   find on the iphone success on one side a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/850">TS</a>]

00:14:13   lightning port on the other for charging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   and it will convert any headphones into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/855">TS</a>]

00:14:18   bluetooth headphones it doesn't appear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   to have any buttons as far as i can tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22   it does have a little clip on it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/862">TS</a>]

00:14:23   can clip it to your clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   this is a really really clever idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/865">TS</a>]

00:14:28   I really think that this is a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30   good way to bridge that gap but what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   you guys think about it so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/872">TS</a>]

00:14:34   interesting that it takes the idea take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/874">TS</a>]

00:14:37   the approach of you know putting it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   the phone end of the cable and basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   you plug your headphones into this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/881">TS</a>]

00:14:43   they still have their flow cables as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/883">TS</a>]

00:14:46   discussed as I brought up a couple weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/886">TS</a>]

00:14:47   ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/887">TS</a>]

00:14:48   you can't really put on the headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   end of the cable because there really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/890">TS</a>]

00:14:53   no standard size or shape cable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   would fit a large number of headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   that would go on that end because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   all have just these different shape [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/899">TS</a>]

00:15:00   plastic surround and everything so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/900">TS</a>]

00:15:01   anyway it is smart to put it on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/901">TS</a>]

00:15:04   into the cable I will also say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/904">TS</a>]

00:15:05   these devices already exists you can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   can go on Amazon you can get things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/907">TS</a>]

00:15:08   because not that would be small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   unattractive and would have apple logos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   on it or we charge by lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/912">TS</a>]

00:15:15   those are those will be new here but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17   can get these things already like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19   can go and get him for probably 30 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   you can you can get devices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/921">TS</a>]

00:15:24   left any end of any audio setup to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/924">TS</a>]

00:15:28   from bluetooth they're very common and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/928">TS</a>]

00:15:30   some of them even work so it it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/930">TS</a>]

00:15:35   is a weekend we can try this today we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/935">TS</a>]

00:15:37   can see we're already what this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/937">TS</a>]

00:15:39   today as long as you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/939">TS</a>]

00:15:40   charge by lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/940">TS</a>]

00:15:41   it is a good idea for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/941">TS</a>]

00:15:43   however first of all having a cable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/943">TS</a>]

00:15:46   dangles into your clothing but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/946">TS</a>]

00:15:48   doesn't look into your phone like its it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/948">TS</a>]

00:15:50   kind of seems like another really worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   having that cable it seems kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/952">TS</a>]

00:15:53   clunky but i don't know i mean i-i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/953">TS</a>]

00:15:56   suppose it's better than having to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/956">TS</a>]

00:15:57   all new headphones but I don't know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/957">TS</a>]

00:16:01   seems like a lot of complexity to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/961">TS</a>]

00:16:05   this problem if you're going to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07   wire that goes down into your clothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/967">TS</a>]

00:16:09   and comes out of your headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   why not just have a a wiring adapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/971">TS</a>]

00:16:14   that can plug directly into the alleged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/974">TS</a>]

00:16:18   lightning port that is headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/978">TS</a>]

00:16:19   compatible of the alleged new headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   jack atlas iphone 7 you covered all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/981">TS</a>]

00:16:24   ones i was gonna make which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/984">TS</a>]

00:16:25   these things exist already and that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   weird to have a wire where you put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   wire like especially if you have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/989">TS</a>]

00:16:30   phone in your pocket and then this wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   with a dongle is also in your pocket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/992">TS</a>]

00:16:33   there like right you have this wire to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/993">TS</a>]

00:16:35   nothing right you have to put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/995">TS</a>]

00:16:36   somewhere and you know you're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   a dining hanging from your swinging back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/998">TS</a>]

00:16:39   and forth as you walk so you'll probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/999">TS</a>]

00:16:41   stick it in the pocket but the reason I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   can think of why I Apple might find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:44   solution attractive is that the wired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:48   after keeping a one-way one-way is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50   if the passive lightning to headphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:54   adapter that we've been surmising might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:57   be possible is not possible then this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1017">TS</a>]

00:17:00   probably better than trying to make an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   adapter with a chip in it like try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:03   make an appt reactive adapter it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:05   a polite than trying to make an active [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:06   adapter probably but even if the passive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:10   thing does work the passive thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:13   don't know if you can sell the passive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:14   thing for thirty bucks maybe Apple can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:15   but what is Apple can sell this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   money that this little battery bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:20   container thing it's what Apple is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   at making very small simple things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:25   don't really have like an on/off switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:26   or any complicated you know but inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   are very very precise and it uses all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   their expertise in terms of making very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:32   small chips and batteries and all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:35   good stuff and they can sell to you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:37   money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:37   and it does seem like a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:39   elegant solution because then your your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:40   phone could be in one pocket this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:41   community out there and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:42   connected to each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:44   I can see them selling it as a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:47   advanced version of a wiring adapter so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:51   and this design looks like every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   you see like a prototype of looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   the little watch it after basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:56   little circular thing we can have a logo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:57   on it a little think they'll put a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   Apple look like that on it but who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   it looks like an apple product looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   like an apple product they could sell as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:05   ridiculous as it may be especially like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:07   put a clip on the back of it like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:08   guy's got a clip to his pants waist band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   or something that is not a good look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   well i don't know i think it means it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:15   any worse than clipping an ipod shuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:16   on anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:17   yes it looks plausible to me as an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:19   project i think they can sell it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:20   more money so especially if they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   do a passive adapter i think this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   reasonable option the battle might want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   to consider and as you pointed out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   apple doesn't do it is a million third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:30   party ones that are already making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32   they're going to be excited by an iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:33   with no headphone jacks right now we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   have a new audience to advertise to hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   just get one of those new phones by our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:38   little square dongle we've been selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:41   for five years yet another thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:42   gotta charge and spend 30 books and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:45   charges through the charges through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:47   lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:48   yeah I don't know it's that it seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:51   like this is too clunky of a solution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   like I I feel like Apple solutions are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   going to be either by new headphones or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:58   use this passive wire adapter and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1138">TS</a>]

00:19:01   sure that the path of our adapter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:02   going to be possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:03   no I mean but if that rumor so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   true that they were going to have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:06   thing it's already possible today if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:08   put some smarts in the adapter you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:10   do it on today's lightning port with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:11   some circuitry and some smarts there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:14   we already know such thing as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   it would be better if it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:17   passive and if the phone could sense it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19   through a new revision of the port and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21   agree but i'm just i'm not sure i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   sure how Apple would prioritize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25   like it's really important to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:26   we can have passive adapters or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:28   going to say you know just deal with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   and getting headphones everybody get new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32   headphones in three years you don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:33   anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:34   yes so when we go in tailgate which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:37   we've spoken about on the show in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:38   past I have a TK boom box which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:42   actually the model for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:44   speaker thing and it doesn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:49   bluetooth support on it and so years ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   i got this absolutely terrible like $13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:58   blue to AGP tech bluetooth adapter i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00   put a link in the show notes even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:01   i don't think it's available anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   it is a total piece of crap but it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:06   perfectly and so it's like the build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   quality is terrible it's very chancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   looking so think of like a USB key that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:13   has a headphone jack on the outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:16   it and no plugs into a USB on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   side so what i do is i plug this into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20   USB port that is on the speaker on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:23   TK boombox and this receives bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:27   and then i plug the this little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:31   headphone cable from this bluetooth to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:35   RCA converter basically into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:38   headphone cable goes from there to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:39   boombox and suddenly this boom box that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   has no bluetooth support has bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:44   supports this is the other direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:45   then what we're talking about but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   your point earlier Marco you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:48   either way with this and it was $13 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:51   I mean it is a piece of crap that's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:53   working perfectly for three years so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   guess is it really that crappy ask hall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:56   but yeah it works well in and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1256">TS</a>]

00:21:00   you'd be surprised what you can do for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   not a lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:03   it's like I was invisible fences for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:04   your pets on this is invisible wire some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   of the Prancing like like we're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   that like what's the point of having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   little wire with a dongle that you stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   in your pocket clip on your pants like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:14   three inches away from your phone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:15   like there are still some advantages for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   that absurd scenario mostly is that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:20   when you want to take out your phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:21   do something there's not a wire attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:22   to it i mean i guess probably people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   you know we used to listening on wired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:26   headphones are good at taking out their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:27   phone to send a quick text or see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:29   something or whatever without wrangling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   the wire but it is i think i keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:33   thinking of it as a as a luxurious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:34   features like that the fact that the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   are connected anymore they are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   connected with an invisible wire even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:39   though there's a stupid real wire still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:41   in play because again you're using your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   old headphones and they don't support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:44   this new phone it is still a slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46   more luxurious experience to be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:50   take out your phone without a wire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:52   do it invisible wires are better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:55   wires in general manager you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:56   other wires entirely which I'm apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   will surely sell your blues headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   to do that but if you can't because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   want to use your old headphones for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:02   whatever reason a dongle like this as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:05   ridiculous as it seems i think it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   actually have offer some material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   advantages to the point where i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:10   thinking like maybe i would go is my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12   problem is like when I'm walking from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:14   the parking garage to work very often my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   headphone cord gets caught him like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:18   door handle going through like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:19   garage doors are up in the stairwells at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   work or whatever and ends up yanking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:23   headphones either out of my ears are out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:25   of my phone or both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:26   I would like it if i could i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   obviously my solutions just use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:29   bluetooth headphones right yeah just use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   bluetooth headphones yeah I i use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   earbuds that I don't want to look like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   girl with the big thing coming out of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   ear with that anyway they have smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39   things that you look get the sennheiser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:41   and I'm 400ex it is really basic it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:44   like 750 bucks as their buds it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:47   everybody know it's it's it's the it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   the ones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:49   it's the new version I i use for my for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   any kind of walking and often even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:53   travel purposes i bring my the president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:56   which is the sennheiser PX 2 10 BTW [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1376">TS</a>]

00:22:59   which is long since discontinued but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   40mm 400ex is seemingly the exact same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:04   thing but with a microphone and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06   can make phone calls on it and these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08   sound like complete garbage for music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:11   purposes but for podcasts they're great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:12   because they have actual hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   buttons on the side so there is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:17   they're small they fold up they can fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:18   in any large jacket pocket and any bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:20   very very easily not a pants pocket too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22   big for that but there otherwise they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24   great battery life is great they charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   for a microUSB you can get new batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   for them if you want to like separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:29   batteries and it did they have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   amazingly useful buttons actual buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:34   like not just like a capacitive touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:37   pad which is infuriating not some little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   tiny switches you can operate them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:40   gloves on in the winter because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:41   buttons are nice and big and they make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1421">TS</a>]

00:23:43   sense where they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:44   it's i listen to sai listen to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:46   exclusively when I'm when I'm walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:48   with my uncle always listen to podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:49   of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:50   some call it doesn't matter and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   so much better than anything else I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   ever tried for for portable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:57   I like my earbuds with my little clicker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59   on the wire that's another where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01   clicker go if I didn't have a wire like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03   I'm goes to the earcup I just know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   like to clear clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:06   going down where it is anyway the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:07   is i think i would actually find this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:10   vaguely useful if it existed so much so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   that maybe i should just buy one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:13   those ones is already an amazon and give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   it a try but maybe I'll just hold out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   see if Apple because one for twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:18   bucks will have a bluetooth earbuds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:20   maybe that will solve my problems if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:22   you'd like to not spend two hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   dollars on a set up bluetooth headphones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   my beloved Arctic PP 311 that I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:28   for like four years are still going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:31   strong i use them for music i use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:33   for podcast they will not make Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   happy I'm sure from an audio files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:37   perspective they are terrible but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:40   don't have hyper-intense requirements if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:45   you're not mark warm and they're like 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   bucks and might have been going strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   for years now that i think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:50   bluetooth earbuds wouldn't help because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:51   again wherever the clicker be I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   got new so I think the ipod shuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   killed me that bottle water cup know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   that my Chapel didn't is not your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59   company or bugs are ya use mine with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   buttons are right there it's it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   it's easier and more reliable than using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:04   the clicker headphones us too much i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06   can't i don't know i can't pull that off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:08   but it is too much to have big giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   headphones on as big as you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   try the p3 11 when they also have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   buttons already 30 just saying anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:18   point is this is this is this concept i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:21   think it's not entirely really rude and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:23   of apple doesn't make one maybe I'll buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1523">TS</a>]

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00:26:56   had a big week so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   yes so tell us about this what what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   exactly happened in your own words Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:04   described for the audience what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:07   i'm so yeah so this past monday i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:10   started a new job i took last week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:13   almost entirely off i had a week of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   self-directed funemployment i went into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:19   my old job on monday for a few hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   spent the remainder of last week just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:24   kind of relaxing and taking a break and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   then on monday i started a new job as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:30   iOS developer which is completely scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   and completely awesome to recap in case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:35   you're unfamiliar with my professional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   exploits I had been working at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:40   consulting firm doing got that stuff for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   between three and a half years and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:45   four years and I did like it but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:49   heart wasn't really in not anymore i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:52   really do love c-sharp hand on heart i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:56   love c-sharp I think csharp is great i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   really do love visual studio I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   visual studio is great but everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:04   around hat i just couldn't care less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   like it just didn't do anything for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   and when i was hired at this look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:11   this job i was told hey you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   gonna be our iOS guy and I was the iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:16   guy which is good but the problem was we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19   only ever landed one bit of iOS work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:22   as when it's a consulting firm you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:25   typically have the luxury of working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:28   what you want to work on you work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:30   what you're told to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:31   and that means a client will tell the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:33   company we will give you money to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   on this thing and the company tells the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   consultants you know to the company my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   company tells us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:40   ok it's time to work on this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:42   it just so happened that the only time i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45   ever did and iOS app was several years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   ago when I didn't ipad app and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49   for all the wrong reasons and executive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:53   decided we should be in the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:54   even though this we don't really have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   anything useful to offer and so we built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   an app to put in the app store anyway so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:02   I had been I hadn't been unhappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:05   necessarily but I had been terribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   happy and I just was trying to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:08   out you know what I do and it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:11   especially when you're consulting but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:12   it's hard in general I mean I kinda know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   how to write code for iOS UI I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   objective-c reasonably well for someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:20   who doesn't do it professionally I sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   of kind of ish no Swift hey so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:26   hard thing to sell any employer on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:29   teaching you how to do this stuff on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1769">TS</a>]

00:29:32   job unless the employers for some reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   incentivized for you to learn this on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37   the job so for example if if my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   consulting firm had gotten a contract to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:41   iOS work and suddenly my employer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:44   the consultancy will be hugely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   incentivize for me to learn on the job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:47   but it's pretty hard for them to sell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:51   as a supposed expert when I'm not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:54   an expert and typically when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   going to a consulting firm you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   looking for experts so it wasn't it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:01   clear to me that was really a workout if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   I really really really wanted to pivot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   to iOS it was good work at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:08   consulting firm and so a friend of mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:11   a mutual friend between mark and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:14   friend named Jamie he had just gone to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:18   local company here in town that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:21   bread and butter is not iOS but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:24   have their own iOS app that is part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:27   their product offering and he had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   saying hey you should come join me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:30   come join me to come join me and finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   I was like you know what I should come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   join you and so I interviewed and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:38   the job I was very plain about what I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   not know about iOS but what school was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:42   great about my new gig is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   recognized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:45   stay you seem like you're pretty darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   good engineer one of our engineers are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   saying you're a pretty good engineer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:50   sorry doctoring and so we have faith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:53   that whatever you don't know you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:55   pick up so let's do this and I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:58   this past Monday and I'm really gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:01   into too much code yet but so far so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:04   good and it is blowing my mind that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:08   things that we talked about here and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   things that I've been pumping into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12   ears by way of Marcos other show and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:17   way of yellow corn tuition in by way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:20   mobile couch and in so many of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:21   other shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:22   suddenly this stuff that I've just long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:25   I'm now doing and its really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:28   exciting and I'm petrified because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31   used to it also pretty darn good on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   developer not the best but pretty darn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:34   good and I wasn't often scared by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:39   things i was asked to do in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   day-to-day job and now i am not a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:45   darn good iOS developer i'm i'm at worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:49   a rocky and it best in intermediate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   level iOS developer and so I'm reaching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:55   on this and then that's really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   scary but i found that that's the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:01   way to force myself to learn is to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:03   straight into the deep end and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:04   learn how to swim so I'm excited I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:08   excited just selfishly because this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   what I've been wanting to do for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11   time i'm excited for the show because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:14   think even though we don't get that deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   into the developer topics that often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   it'll be nice to have someone else who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   does this sort of thing for a living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:21   other the marco and I'm just excited to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24   learn something new because I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   doing the same stuff for a long time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:28   last really new thing i learned if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:31   don't count sum react that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   dabbling with maybe a year ago was when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   i taught myself node for for my blog and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:38   that was in 2014 so it's about time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:41   me to to get scared and learn something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:44   new so i don't know if you guys have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:45   questions about that if not we can put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   in the parking lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:48   don't have my first question David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:51   parking lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:52   I've not seen one yet I have not seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   yet but I'm sure it's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55   anyway but if you have any questions I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:58   happy to feel them otherwise we can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1978">TS</a>]

00:32:59   move right along to talk about the tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   differences of like c-sharp vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:04   objective-c and you know the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   ID and all that stuff whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:07   setting that aside like getting back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:10   the doing consulting work versus doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:13   product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:14   no I think you covered this in your blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   post like the idea of the consulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   work is sometimes you get a crappy job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:21   but the job ends and sometimes you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:23   good job that job ends too but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2003">TS</a>]

00:33:25   product work I imagine you know without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:28   going into details of what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:29   product you're making your kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:30   company you're working for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:31   it's conceivable that you could get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:34   be in iOS developer dedicated to working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   on a product that does nothing for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:39   the product is like dominoes developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   and i'm working on a product but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:43   care about this product at all i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:45   have any passion for this product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   I don't you know and the customers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   use this product not really into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:50   product and then how could I do my job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:52   never gonna really appreciate it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   it's like you know an industrial machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   control thing or something where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:57   just not you know I mean and that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59   you would be using new technology you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:00   be learning things you could technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:01   be an iOS developer but i'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03   it's like imagine if like your worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   consulting gig just never end never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:07   ended so is as part of your decision to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:10   go to the specific company the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:11   would like would you care what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:13   practice really like is it isn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15   better that it is a product that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   like work on incremental make better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:18   year over year over year even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20   boring product or do you also kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   needed to be a product that interests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   you more than like you're at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27   interesting consulting gig you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:29   a very fair question i think i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:32   reach back just a half step and explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34   that I've been doing some flavor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   consulting since roughly 2006 it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:39   about a decade now the first couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:40   years from 06 28 i was doing government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:44   contracting which is not exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:45   consulting i was working for a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:49   that had a product but the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   literally the only people that bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53   that product was the US government so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   really what ended up happening was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   government said hey we want this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   feature and we said okay we'll do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:00   and so is basically consulting after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:06   that it was just a regular no no aster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:09   risks honest business consultants and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:11   from my weight on and i found that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:15   have definitely been some projects where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   the client was awesome and the project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:21   was a lot of fun and eventually what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:25   ends up happening is as you described [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27   John the client either can stand on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:30   their own two feet so to speak or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   feel like that that product is complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   enough for now and then they say alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:37   thanks for your time we'll see you later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   and that's a total bummer because here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   something that you really invested in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   the kind of consulting i was doing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   should also note is typically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:46   project-based so it was myself in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:49   bunch of my co-workers at the consulting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   firm would swoop in do a project and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   swooped out it and of course we would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:56   working alongside the client but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:59   overwhelming majority of the work was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   done by the people at my consulting firm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   it's not like your individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06   consultants who is just an individual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   contributor it's and this is where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:09   staff of thing came in a couple months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11   back and so typically the project is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:14   consulting you know you build this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:15   project with you people with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:16   friends at work and then it's like okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:17   thanks and then you leave and that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   total bummer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:20   and even though it's nice to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:24   you have it that that each project is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:27   subject to some degree a ticking time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   bomb because eventually it will go away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:30   both the good and the bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:32   it's nice to think about I i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:36   wanted to try walking on the grass on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:40   the other side of the fence and I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:41   to see is is a product company really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:44   what I wanted and really what I want and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:47   let me give you a really weird the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:49   concrete example of why I wanted this so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   i believe it's my first day it was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:54   first day that the new job and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:57   actually had this like all hands meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59   off site which was just pure completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01   coincidental and so we were in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04   different portion of richmond at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   all hands and then we needed to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   back to the office afterwards and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:12   were traveling from the All Hands i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   at a hotel to the office and I got stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   this Lite that typically will take two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:19   or three cycles for me to get through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:21   particular time of day was around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23   lunchtime and this is right by a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:24   of other business right by a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   businesses and a bunch of eateries so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   everyone's going to or coming back from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:29   lunch and as I'm sitting at this light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:32   I'm thinking to myself oh my god this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   taking so long i got this taking so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:35   i have to make up this time because oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   god I'm sitting here for like 10 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   and it's one thing if you set it alight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   for like a minute you can just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:42   flubbed that and you know whatever a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:44   client is going to care if you build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:46   them for one minute where you weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:47   actually doing work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:48   this is like 10 minutes and i'm really I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   can't build a client for this 10 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   and so I'm now I have to stay at work 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:54   minutes later than I plant a wait wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:57   don't have a timesheet anymore but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   working for a client anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:01   oh my god i don't have to give a shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   this takes an hour because i don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06   to answer to anyone anymore what not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   literally of course we don't mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:10   is magnificent and it's just stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:14   stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:15   I'm just kind of I was ready to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:18   break from consulting and who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20   maybe in a year or two maybe I'll 1099 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:23   and i'll just go in if you're not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:24   American basically i'll be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:25   independent consultant and maybe i'll go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   back to a consulting firm who knows but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   for right now all my god it was magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   not to have to stress about sitting in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   stupid light for 10 minutes and to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:37   back around to Jon's question a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   more concretely i'm really really amped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:42   to work on a product period but i agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:46   with you John that if the product was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:47   something like industrial control system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49   it was not likely to keep my attention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:51   very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   now with that said I I don't intend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   share what my employer who my employer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   is more what I'm working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:58   I don't know it's just I'd prefer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:00   keep that that world separate but i will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:01   say that the particular thing that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:04   working on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:04   although it is not for me it is for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:08   general audience and depending on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:11   lens you use to look at it I genuinely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:14   think it's it's helping people and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   think that's pretty cool being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   help people and make a difference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:20   people's lives a small difference but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   difference in the last and so because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   that I in granted i'm still in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   honeymoon period but i'm very hopeful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:27   that I'm really really going to enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:30   working on this and additionally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   particular company i'm working for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34   particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:35   iOS app that i'll be working on it isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:37   great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:38   it's okay but isn't great but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:41   important thing is the company knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:42   that it isn't great and they're looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:45   to fix it and so I'm getting in on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47   ground floor and being able to influence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:50   some of those changes in so far as I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:54   help make architectural decisions you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:57   know not as much like oh we should use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2397">TS</a>]

00:39:59   cocoapods vs I'm god what's the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01   one I'm drawing a blank doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   who cares it does he have to go copepods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:04   first Carthage i believe it is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   be in charge of all the most boring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:07   decisions on the software projects right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:08   yeah well very exactly is gonna be our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:10   file naming convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:11   whoa but you know what i mean like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   architectural decisions I can work with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15   my friend Jamie who is is pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   lead architect I could work with him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   we have a good rapport because we worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:20   together in the past and say hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22   really like this like that we should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:23   that direction or you know this just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:24   doesn't feel right and and in some ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:27   being a little bit ignorant as to how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29   iOS development works is kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:31   advantage for these sorts of discussions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:32   because i don't have that the background [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   knowledge to influence or perhaps taint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:38   what I think about these decisions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41   so I'm really really amped to work on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:44   something and work on something for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:45   long time which is something which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   not what I've been doing for the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:48   nearly decade does that answer your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:51   question or did I completely flubbed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:52   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:53   yeah take care what I hadn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   thought about the whole time she think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:56   it shows how much consulting have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:58   none but yeah that's gotta be a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:00   upgrade and in lifestyle um I got I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2460">TS</a>]

00:41:04   feel I've done product work and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   fashion or another of my entire career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   and it for the most part is better even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:11   I could even working on a product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:12   you're not actually interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   idea of the aforementioned and often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:15   maligned industrial control software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   that can be interesting to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   everything can be interesting i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   that the dark side of product work is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:23   like like that both the best and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:25   worst thing that could ever happen to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:26   project you're working on his agency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:27   become very popular and very important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   to the company and a huge moneymaker you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   think it's not all upside no because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   that means the product will live for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:34   long time and we'll have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   customers and any change to it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   consequential and if you worked there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   for five years you will it work you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:43   if you come five years after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:44   happened you will be inheriting a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   possibly disgusting-looking codebase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   that nevertheless be treated as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   golden you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:51   yep child and can't be messed with and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   if you were there from the beginning you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   will have created five years worth of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:56   paint yourself into a corner and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   dumb decisions that you come to regret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2518">TS</a>]

00:41:59   and now have this giant you know Jenga [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:02   style tower that's a it's teetering but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   nevertheless the entire company is built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   on and you're both responsible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   having made it this way back when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   were younger less-experienced you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:11   past he was always the worst enemy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   every programmer and you don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   option to say well you know unless you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   change a different company wanted a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   different project now let's go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:20   different products like no this product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:21   of the company but uh that is what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   the joys and sorrows of product work but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:26   you are far from that now especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   you are if they have an app now they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   know it's bad so you're kind of getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:31   to go in there and clean up just a try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   to keep five years from now Casey in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   mind when you're doing you're gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   the idea and where were like I said we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   re architecting everything and were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   trying to make intelligent decisions as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:45   to how to do this so that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:46   sustainable so that it's testable which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:49   i know is marcos favorite thing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   unit testing my love you testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:54   I test all over my everything yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:55   totally cover exalt my builders can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:59   stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:00   he's I think he's going to get testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   religion it's gonna be awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:03   he's gonna be like you know what testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   is actually useful way to something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:06   I don't know what's gonna happen but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   could happen conceivably oh I i was love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   if I already had testing know as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:13   weight as a way to development like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:15   you know rather than you like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:16   right lines of code you want to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:17   those lines go do the thing you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   to do like not entirely test-driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   development just getting enough of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   into video doesn't matter if no one else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   like it doesn't it doesn't even matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:26   it's just the way I write code from now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   on it is i think everyone can benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30   from testing and I feel like you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:31   make that you'll turn that corner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   eventually we're just waiting for it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:34   happen give an infinite time everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   could benefit from testing oh here we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   now you'll be dead that's what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40   with that but it's conceivable I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   say that could happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:43   oh yeah I don't think testing is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:46   idea that I don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:47   yeah I think that's probably fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49   summary anything else on the a new job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:52   any other questions are yes the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   thing that you should point out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:57   there was confusion about it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59   to bring up as another point is that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:00   lot of people think like hey I left my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   my job or I had that work in his big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   corporation like a dilbert or wherever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   and now i'm going indie but you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:10   you know don't quite know what indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   means of it in the market knows but in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   these meetings because he's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:15   been that for a very long time now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   India's means like you're gonna stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:19   working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:20   well it depends it's kinda like indie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:23   rock it's kinda get is sending them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   retired indie rocker independent movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:28   like the look of that term especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:29   independent movies like started to warp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   as like small independent movies would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:34   nevertheless be bankrolled by big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:35   studios on a development but anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   definition of indy for software is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:40   basically that you write software for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:44   company that you own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   it's been money to a little bit by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   fact that if all your paychecks come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   with a signature that says Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:52   incorporated at the bottom of it are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:53   really in d you still kinda handy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   definition was like yeah even if every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   one of your paychecks designed by Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   you're still indeed because you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   decide everything about the product you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:03   own the product you just are sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:06   outsourcing your distribution and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:08   entire relationship with your customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:09   many other things to apple but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   still in DC but the bottom line is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:12   and also what comes with it is like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:15   you run the show you make the decisions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   and you're not running a hundred person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   company like is you know are the heads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:22   of all the omni group indie no not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:25   really i've got a company we've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:26   mac software company in iOS software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   company that a lot of people work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:29   can you be ended with two people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:32   probably two or three maybe you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34   pushing it but the idea is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36   essentially you are your own boss or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38   something very close to it and so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40   that case if you worked on a project for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:41   a long time and you kind of got sick of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:44   it even if it was selling well because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:45   you're indeed you could say you know i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   going to something else now as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:48   the next thing you do also sells well as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   long as you have some sort of transition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52   plan for supporting the other one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:53   maybe you sell it to somebody like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:54   market loves to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:55   that's fine you can do that whereas if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:58   you're in a company especially if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2758">TS</a>]

00:45:59   like a public company with shareholders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   and everything is scaled up and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:02   care about you like well i tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   different product now this one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:05   perfectly fine its profitable but i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07   kinda bored of it that doesn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:08   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:09   so this is something that the group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   called an arc along time ago the life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   capital T capital L i think it was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:16   reference to bring Simmons from stopping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   the newswire development [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:19   he probably sort of in the the post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:23   Internet age sort of made the time when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:26   Apple is on an upswing there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:29   resurgent in the old ideas the ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   exist for a long time but it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32   resurgent and the popularization of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   idea thanks to the internet and blogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   that if you're a computer programmer who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39   like the apple stuff you could make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   pretty good living for yourself by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   writing programs that other people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   use apple stuff would buy from you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:47   they would give you money and you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:48   give them software and if you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   enough of them to do that through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:51   magic of software like it's not any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:53   harder work for you to sell an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:55   application 200 people versus a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   verses potentially a million because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   it's our bits and you copy them and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   don't have to manufacture them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:02   there's no incremental cost him you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   all the wonderful things about software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:05   that you can do a certain amount of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:07   and the amount of work that you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:10   do does not scale with a number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:11   customers you do the work and then if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:15   ten people buy you the same amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:16   work is it as if 20 or 30-year hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   and so people can make really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   livings selling software they were their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:21   own boss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:22   they got to do something good they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:23   wanted to do they got immense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:24   satisfaction of that and out of it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:27   it was you know that's the life he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:29   referring to iOS gave a different view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:33   of that but at this point I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:34   everyone who's involved in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36   ecosystem would agree that is slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38   harder to live the life it is slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:40   harder to being independent software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:43   developer who makes the they're living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:45   doing that if only because the market is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   so much more crowd we talked about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:49   on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:50   maybe this podcast maybe the ones nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   distant past of like if you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   something that is really fun and a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:58   of other people want to do it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2878">TS</a>]

00:47:59   it's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:00   that's going to drive down the value of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   the thing you're doing a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:03   students want to make an iOS application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:06   for fun and give it away for free or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   close to free and you say well but I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:11   got to feed my family I can't afford to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:13   give away you know like like the value [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:15   of what you're doing is being driven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:16   down because there are more people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   the market so it makes it harder for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20   regular person who wants a family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:21   in healthcare and everything to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:24   to make a living as an independent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:25   software developers not getting to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:26   point where it's like being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:27   professional athlete were so small now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   can do it but it's getting more to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:30   point where it's like a regular job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:31   where it's not like if you're a decent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:34   programmer and you find a market needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:37   not being met and you sell an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:38   application you're good to go for 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   years you can just keep selling and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:41   revising an application for 20 years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:42   you'll have a healthy lifestyle like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44   those days are past because the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45   is just you know too crowded but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:50   question for Casey about his new job is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   maybe you didn't think about that now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   because you're like I don't know enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:55   about iOS development but my question is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   does that still appeal to you as sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2937">TS</a>]

00:49:00   the real polar opposite grass is greener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   on the other side of the fence from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   going from the consulting world-building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   world where you have to go where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   tell you you have to track your hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:09   here you know different clients are your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   masters at various times and the far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:13   past its side is marcos life where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:16   call the shots you decide what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   going to make and you build it your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:21   on your schedule in your time and find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:24   way to make that a viable living that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   ever that this does that still ppl i try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:29   to find a way to make it a viable living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:30   it doesn't always work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:32   I make things my way I call the shots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34   but then the market decides whether to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   pay me or not yeah but like you have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   know if for the most part you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:39   successful doing that like I said it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   not an easy thing to do like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:42   like you're going to know how many how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   many people do you know who are still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:45   living in the indie life of my question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:47   four cases does that and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   honestly I'm not even sure I am anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   that's fine you don't ok I I know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   you mean but I think ab store economics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   are such that it is very very hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:58   that anymore and and i think the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:01   of people doing that is probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:05   shrinking for sure but I'm not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:08   know overcast is not making as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   instapaper did and and the trend lines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:13   for these things are generally downward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   and overcast is making you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:18   overcast numbers are going up very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:19   slowly now with batrix but it's making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:23   still making less than what did before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25   the pic model which that was less than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:27   12 paper made so you know overall this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:30   whole market is getting harder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   yeah i think john your I understand what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:35   ivy and there's there's a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:36   things to unpack here first of all I it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:40   was easy for me to tell who didn't did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:42   not read my entire blog post because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:44   those who did read the blog post it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   abundantly obvious that i am still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:49   working for the man it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:50   different man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:51   figuratively speaking of course but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   those who didn't read the blog post or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   perhaps only right above the fold were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:56   like oh UND congratulations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   what's that was kind of funny but to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:01   directly answer your question I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   certainly have thought quite a bit about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:07   going completely independent and to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:09   that means one of two things it either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:12   means what you described John and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   Marco is trying to endure succeeding at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   doing i'll let you be the judge of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   I'm or it means i am consulting but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:23   as part of a consulting firm but instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:26   as an independent consultant and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   if you're in the united states often for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:30   just any nining there's many other ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   you can refer to it but that means as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   single person i am going and helping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   with something and I am my own boss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:39   I am my own sales person i am my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:42   employee i am everything soup to nuts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:45   and so what may happen if I wonder if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:50   were to make a guess I think one of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   couple things will happen either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   I'll stay at my current job for quite a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   long time or I will be here for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:59   and so I really get to know iOS and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:02   maybe all try to split my time between a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:07   handful of of clients and those clients [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:10   might be say Marco an underscore or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   maybe somebody else entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:15   or maybe all come up with that brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:18   idea to make that impossibly great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   update too fast texter you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22   whatever comes after fast text but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:27   don't think today I'm in a position that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:31   I would be comfortable being completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   independent as much as I think it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:34   be fun and as much as I'd love to try it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:37   I don't think I'm comfortable doing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:38   today I'm the only breadwinner for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40   family and granted I'm diversified a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   insofar as i have podcast income as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   as regular income [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   I really want to continue to have health [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:50   insurance that my employer helps me pay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52   for and the thing that I really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:55   do like I said earlier I kind of know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:58   how to do but i don't really know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00   do and the best way to learn how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   really do it is to just freakin do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:04   and it's much easier as i discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   earlier to be a part of a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:09   company who knows what they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:10   into when they hired you and knows what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   you are not capable of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:15   it's easier to to learn on that job then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:19   it is to to try to position yourself as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:24   a expert consultants but not really be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   an expert in it so for now I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:29   happy with the move again i'm in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:30   honeymoon period you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   certainly bad parts to this company like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   there are any company but so far all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:36   bad parts seem super manageable and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:39   the good parts seem awesome so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:43   really enthusiastic they are you talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:46   about considering you know the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:48   1099 independent consulting only because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:51   it is a thing that you know assume you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:54   talked about c-sharp type consulting or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:56   mine no no no i meant I meant what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:58   mean it could be sharp but I what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:00   saying like if you were to do it now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:01   like it would be very difficult for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   to be an iOS consultant person you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:04   have a lot of relevant experience but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:06   you could consult on the same exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:07   stuff that you were doing at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:08   previous company and to to me that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:10   like the worst of both worlds are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   doing you have to be consultant you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14   to work at a tech that maybe you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   like Arizona is interesting to you as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   iOS and you have to do everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   yourself and it's like like all the all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   the downsides of being independent but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   none of the upsides of getting to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:27   what you want to make you know man yep i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:29   completely agree with you and plus i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   don't think i'm a very very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:32   salesperson soho I don't think I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:35   be good at like you know pounding the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   pavement or whatever turns phrase you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39   want to use and trying to drum up work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:40   for myself I mean I feel like you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:43   could shill for myself on the podcast be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:46   like hey guys if you want to see HR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   person just let me know but I'd rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   not do that and it's just it's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:53   those sorts of things that you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   described are not things that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:58   interested in and not things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3298">TS</a>]

00:54:59   think I'm good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:00   that and just like you said I don't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:04   things that I'm good at like C sharp and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:06   that sort of thing I don't necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   want to keep doing so you're exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:10   right to go completely independent today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:13   I would probably be backed into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   corner of doing all the things i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:16   really want to do and so I'd much rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:20   have the steady and reliable paycheck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:23   and the help on health insurance that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   comes from working for a quote unquote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   the man and and then we'll reevaluate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:30   a couple years and see where things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:32   stand then but like you I think I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:34   speak for you John i am extremely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:35   risk-adverse is that one other servers i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:38   always get the i was getting wrong sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   I'm extremely risk averse and I'd rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:44   have some of that risk consumed my by my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:48   employer then have to shoulder myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:51   now yes this is where all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:52   internet and perhaps marcos saying well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   your employer could fire you at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   second they could fold tomorrow you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   never really really know and yes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   true but the way I perceive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:03   you know better were certain different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:05   is that this is less risky than going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:08   completely independent today you're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   least outsourcing many of the jobs you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   know you're outsourcing many of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:13   risks and and much of the work by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:15   working for somebody else and I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:18   say you know that you're totally right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:19   and pretty what I would say that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   know any job you could lose at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:22   moment it you just kind of lose control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   when you're working for somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:25   but the fact is if you go to work for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:28   already established company that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:30   already has multiple employees and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33   your salary is not where understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   their budget is going you know then like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   you know certainly it it makes it less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   likely that they would fail on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:42   market in a way to it that would affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   you or things like that like compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   just you going on your own and trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:48   make one app and and see it trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:50   see that one succeed you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   the company that you're going to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:53   for has already released that one app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   and they it's already doing well enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   to hire people and keep paying the bills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   oh hopefully you know so so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02   certainly you do reduce and outsource [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:04   some of those risks i working for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:05   somebody else when additionally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   additionally you know I didn't leave my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:08   old job with my middle fingers in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10   air you know I left my old job in such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:13   way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:14   if things fell through with this 1i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   pretty sure i could go back without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:19   having to put my tail too far between my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:21   legs and I pretty sure every job of left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:24   I could say the same for and plus is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:27   time goes on you know some of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:30   I worked with two or three jobs ago are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:33   now at other jobs where I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:35   worked and so I could go work with old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   friends again at the new places they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   not working out which actually if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:40   think about it is exactly what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:42   yeah Jamie where Jamie and I work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   together a couple of jobs ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:46   yay we still kept in touch for a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   time and and it ended up that this all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:51   came circling back around I kinda hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   myself became we circle back to each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:56   other and now we're working together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58   yep emulator all over the parking lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   yeah exactly so you know it for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:03   who are not independent which i think is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:05   the overwhelming majority of us if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07   leave a job not like a jerk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   you also have that option so even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   this all fizzled tomorrow I would still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   have the option of going back to the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   job or working with some of my old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   coworkers from years ago and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20   always new bridges to burn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22   hey I'm still disappointed that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:25   didn't take take us up on the offer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   have me John an underscore go into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:29   old job and quit for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:30   that would've been hysterical but now i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   don't think that would have been a wise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34   choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:34   probably not but it would've been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:35   fun for us at least I think you made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:38   right choice for yourself the hook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:40   yes but it would have been enjoyable in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:41   man that would've been a really great a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:44   youtube video for there's nothing else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46   we are happy to burn anyone's bridges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   that they need burned for that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:50   happy to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:51   yeah that's something I mean oh I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:53   I certainly had a list of grievances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:55   that I could have shared with my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:58   employer on the way out the door and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   do I think they knew some of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:03   that that made me unhappy like the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:05   that I wasn't doing iOS and so what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:06   told him I was leaving they were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:08   little surprised and a little bummed but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:11   one that I said I was leaving to iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:13   work they're like oh okay that makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:15   sense so so I I i feel like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:21   there's no good come in my perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:23   anyway no good comes of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:25   hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:26   I quit and by the way let me tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   all the reasons why you guys are a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:29   of jerks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:30   yeah there's no good comes to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:31   because in so everyone is a jerk in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:34   their own way and I'm a jerk in my own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   way and so you know we can all be charts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:39   together and that's okay well plus like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   suppose you do go back to your old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:42   company say in two years you are now a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:45   two-year experienced iOS developer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   they didn't have to pay you for training [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:49   in the meantime and now they can charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51   you more for your time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:52   yeah that's actually extremely true yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:53   so I'm we'll see how it goes i'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:56   excited I'm really scared and I'm really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:58   excited and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   excited and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   I'm really anxious to see what it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   it's gonna be interesting being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:03   client-side and it's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   interesting here is because most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:06   c-sharp stuff i was writing it was all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:08   server side i have written some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:10   client-side c-sharp way way back when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:13   first started writing and in c-sharp but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:15   I'm done that in a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17   the closest thing I've come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:18   client-side programming in JavaScript [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   and I'm not going to get into that holy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:21   war but suffice to say i haven't done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:24   real honest-to-goodness client-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:26   development in a long time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:27   additionally i'm really looking forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   to some of the engineering challenges of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:32   working on a mobile device that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:33   haven't had to worry about a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:34   you know like the the processors are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37   getting faster and faster and stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:38   and stronger but you know can cycles are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:40   not free and more importantly network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   traffic is not free and you know even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44   over even after having been there only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:47   couple days there's a couple of choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:48   that have been made in the app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:50   understandable reasons that I'm that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:53   thinking to myself oh em that probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:56   shouldn't be the way we do things and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:57   then I'm not the first one to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:59   conclusion there you know it's a known [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:01   issue but it's some of those engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   challenges that you don't have to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:04   about that often anymore even though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   probably should but you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:07   that I'm really anxious to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   worrying about again even though it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   gonna be a complete pain in the took us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:12   so we'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:13   just let me know when you get far enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   into your Swift stuff that we can talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:17   about a member wise initializer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:19   proposals on the podcasting and board [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:21   marker with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:22   alright sounds great it's not the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   that Erica Satan's evans at forgive me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:27   don't pronounce your last name but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:28   just been a blog post about that like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:29   week ago maybe a few days ago maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   she's on the list shape the blog post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33   about its with evolution learn about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:35   future of the language just learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:36   exactly can tell what you're learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:38   now will be obsolete in t-minus three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:41   months its proposal closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   this is great though as long as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:44   case he keeps learning Swift I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:46   have to really we can just use you right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:48   i don't think that's how that works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:50   yeah pretty sure that's not how it works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:52   somebody i think it was Curtis had said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:55   it sat outside the you guys gotta switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   programmer on the show but anyway so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:01   yeah well we'll see how it goes but I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/3721">TS</a>]

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01:09:17   an exit interview or two and then get on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4157">TS</a>]

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01:09:22   have an email address played on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4162">TS</a>]

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01:09:28   wanted to do was I wanted to scan these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:29   documents and confirm that they scanned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31   properly and save them to dropbox if at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:35   all possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4175">TS</a>]

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01:09:40   USB key but the problem with that is i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:42   have no way to confirm whether or not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:44   works we don't have any like public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:45   terminals sitting around in the office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:47   i'm sure i could have asked somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4187">TS</a>]

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01:09:51   computer to see if my scam w2 looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:53   right light PS don't look over my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   shoulder please because it shows you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:56   exactly how much I made last year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:57   that's a little awkward so I needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4197">TS</a>]

01:10:01   do everything via my iPad and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:05   ended up doing was I had sent the scans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:09   to my work email which was still working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   sat down on my iPad looked these scans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:15   and then put them in dropbox that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:19   like it was a pretty easy thing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:22   but man did it take for ever compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:25   using a mac i had to go to mail i had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:29   wait for the message to download get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:32   angry when occasionally male showed me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:34   that there was a new message but refused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:35   to download it for squid male go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:38   into male finally the messages there now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:41   i need to open the PDF then I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:43   open a Dolittle share sheet thing go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:46   open in and then go to dropbox and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:49   now I'm opening it in dropbox now i need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:51   to tap tap tap tap tap to figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:52   what folder to go in and I need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4252">TS</a>]

01:10:54   rename the file by the way and then i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:57   can finally save it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4257">TS</a>]

01:10:59   sometimes there was a share button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:01   sometimes there wasn't i needed to tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:03   and hold on a freaking nightmare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:06   it took forever to do something that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:09   a Mac would have taken like four and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:11   half seconds so it was both a wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:16   experience in that i was able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:18   accomplish this at all on the ipad which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20   i think even a little even not long ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:22   I wouldn't have been able to or would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:25   have been even more taps 22 to make this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:27   work but all i wanted in the world has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:30   to have a mac in front of me so I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:32   make this go so much faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:34   additionally i need to fill out another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:37   tax form which included a signature on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:42   OS 10 you can sign using your finger on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:46   the trackpad in preview or you can sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:49   a piece of paper hold it up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:50   camera that's on your mac and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53   score quotes can really take a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:56   of your signature and and filter out all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4316">TS</a>]

01:12:00   the background noise if you will and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:02   let you put your signature on pdfs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:03   easy-peasy simple to do with the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:07   that comes on iOS I couldn't do that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4327">TS</a>]

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01:12:12   like for example PDF man that would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:14   let me do that but I didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:17   anything out of the box to do it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19   that's frustrating and I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:20   have to search the App Store which as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:22   discussed earlier is a dumpster fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:25   full of options to figure out the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:27   that I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:28   additionally similarly some of the PDFs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:31   that I scanned I really wanted to rotate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:34   on preview that's command are easy peasy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:38   how do you do that on an iPad without a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:40   third-party app what I'm coming around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:43   to and bringing all this up is I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:46   enjoyed the fact that i could sit on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:49   of the couches at work where we had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:50   old job where we had some couches and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   actually there's some of the new job as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:53   well i really enjoyed being able to sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:55   on the couches at work and use use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:57   computing device that wasn't a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:59   but all i wanted in the world was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:02   have a damn laptop and I understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:06   Mike and Federico and cgpgrey and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:09   Jason's now and others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:11   might enjoy that because it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:16   cool being able to put puzzle pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:17   together to get most of this stuff done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:20   but maybe i'm just old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:24   I don't know why but it just felt awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:27   to have to jump through so many damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:29   hoops to get what are comparatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:32   super simple operations done on the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:36   and I don't know if you guys have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:37   thoughts about this if you if it in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4417">TS</a>]

01:13:39   yeah well and I don't know if this is if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:43   we're beating this horse to death but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:46   don't get--why this would be fun for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:47   people i just don't see why it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:49   fun i think i understand why it felt bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:52   like one reason I mean you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4432">TS</a>]

01:13:54   touched on ry might feel bad to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:56   this experience and why was it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:57   difficult part of it has to be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4437">TS</a>]

01:14:01   simply a gap in knowledge that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:04   example vtg could tell you exactly how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4444">TS</a>]

01:14:06   you should be doing the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:07   you're doing because he has experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4447">TS</a>]

01:14:09   you know how to do it on the mac because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:11   you've done it before on the Mac you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:13   know which programs how to get things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:15   between them and the comparison i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:17   thinking like so many things that seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4457">TS</a>]

01:14:18   effortless to me in my mac are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:20   effortless to other people with less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:22   experience with Max that we don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:24   think about these tools we have at our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:25   disposal and you always know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:28   drag from this application of that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4468">TS</a>]

01:14:29   but that one you can't drag directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:31   into their you can drag it onto the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:32   icon for this application but this other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4472">TS</a>]

01:14:34   one you got to go to desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:35   intermediary and who knows you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:36   drag anything out of there and how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:37   you know sometimes you gotta hold down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:38   before the Dragons active and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:40   just start dragging soon as you click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:41   the mouse button like the things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:42   internalize details that are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:44   byzantine and don't really make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4484">TS</a>]

01:14:45   sense in aren't consistent and we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:47   have to go to the app store and look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:49   the application because you already have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:50   them installed and we already know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4490">TS</a>]

01:14:52   know all that like that we know what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:53   do in the mac and so you go to some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:55   place where you don't know what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:56   when you feel less confident it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   like i know i could do this in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4498">TS</a>]

01:14:59   seconds in rel max where I am an expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:02   and now i'm in around why and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:04   frustrating to you know to get into to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:06   feel like a novice and that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:10   explains a large part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:12   dissatisfaction and the fact that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:13   could do it at all probably means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4513">TS</a>]

01:15:15   there is like 900 better ways to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:18   you just don't know yet because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4518">TS</a>]

01:15:19   don't have the apps installed but on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:22   other side of this is what we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:23   about a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:23   is that in the end some things still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:25   just are easier to do on the Mac no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:27   matter what a range of things because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:29   sometimes some of the things that video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:30   you might explain about his crazy world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32   of living and you know on the ipad only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:34   you think about it you're like all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:37   well that's impressive that you could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:38   it all really it's a Rube Goldberg [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:40   machine and that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:42   this can't be the the true path forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44   like really this is just like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:46   doing this to suffice for now but i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4546">TS</a>]

01:15:50   to believe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4550">TS</a>]

01:15:50   maybe some of the things that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4550">TS</a>]

01:15:51   doing actually would be just as easy if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:53   not easier on the ipad if you just know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:54   how to do them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:55   yeah you do very well could be right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4555">TS</a>]

01:15:57   guess the thing that frustrated me was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4557">TS</a>]

01:15:59   that out-of-the-box on OS 10 all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:04   puzzle pieces i need are there and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:06   arranged pretty closely together so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:10   just kind of have to shove them a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:12   bit nearer to each other and they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:13   fit and I think you made a great point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:15   that a lot of that comes from experience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:17   whereas out-of-the-box on iOS those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4577">TS</a>]

01:16:21   puzzle pieces may exist and help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23   they may even fit together more nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:25   then they do an OS 10 although i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4585">TS</a>]

01:16:28   skeptical but the problem is you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4588">TS</a>]

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01:20:26   by its you know hardware restrictions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4826">TS</a>]

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01:21:15   beating in in enthusiast community as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/4875">TS</a>]

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01:31:17   look at the game because i have plated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5477">TS</a>]

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01:31:49   maker but they are a lot of gamers on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5509">TS</a>]

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01:32:03   if you heard me talk about games on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5523">TS</a>]

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01:32:10   that are filled and not the equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5530">TS</a>]

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01:32:17   space marines and huge budgets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5537">TS</a>]

01:32:19   millions and millions of people buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5539">TS</a>]

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01:32:43   inherent amount of experience with video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5563">TS</a>]

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01:32:57   sort of lives in the same societies you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5577">TS</a>]

01:33:00   at the very least like video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5580">TS</a>]

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01:33:06   don't have to think about those skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5586">TS</a>]

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01:33:12   that requires very little of you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:16   terms of knowledge of how video games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:18   work skill with the controller whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5598">TS</a>]

01:33:20   there's not a lot of complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:22   mechanics it's not a lot of rules or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:24   systems it doesn't demand lightning-fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:26   reflexes or anything like that it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:29   require you to know how to orient around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:31   yourself in 3d space and sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5611">TS</a>]

01:33:32   first-person type thing but it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   slow and you won't be for the most part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:37   rush there is some limited amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5617">TS</a>]

01:33:39   being able to use either a controller or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:41   a mouse and a keyboard required of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:43   like it's not you know it's a game you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:44   do have to play it but it is very gentle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:47   and I think it's an interesting game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5627">TS</a>]

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01:33:53   recommend it to people who i wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5633">TS</a>]

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01:33:57   some other game that I like that I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5637">TS</a>]

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01:34:05   ongoing effort to get more people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5645">TS</a>]

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01:34:10   or a mac or pc to check out this game it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5650">TS</a>]

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01:34:17   mac or pc i figured with the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:19   requirements are but some people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5659">TS</a>]

01:34:21   said on Twitter that it helps if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5661">TS</a>]

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01:34:36   better on a beefy gaming pc or mac with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5676">TS</a>]

01:34:39   a big video card but you know from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5679">TS</a>]

01:34:42   the people responding on Twitter like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5682">TS</a>]

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01:34:47   integrated graphics people in another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:49   discrete graphics in there you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5689">TS</a>]

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01:34:55   before you buy it's available on Steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:56   they do have a better refund policy than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5696">TS</a>]

01:34:58   the apps in the app store so your you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5698">TS</a>]

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01:35:05   or something it's not a long game which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5705">TS</a>]

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01:35:15   hundred hours into this thing it you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:18   be finished with the game in between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:19   three and four hours might be my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:22   run through the game was like three and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5722">TS</a>]

01:35:23   a half hours you could take much longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:24   if you go slower or whatever but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:25   point is you're not investing your whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:26   life in this game it's more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:28   watching a really long movie or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:30   two really long movies so think of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:32   length as a as a benefit to people i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:35   think of it like that but as a benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   to people who don't play games so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:38   because you don't want to send them in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:39   the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:40   did you know really after the first 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:42   hours it really starts to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:43   interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:43   that's not that's a non-starter for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5743">TS</a>]

01:35:45   people haven't said anything about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5745">TS</a>]

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01:35:53   middle of the woods that you look around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:54   into spot fires in the woods and report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:56   them if you're like a forest ranger uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5756">TS</a>]

01:35:58   that doesn't tell you anything about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5758">TS</a>]

01:36:01   game so what do i do i just go to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:02   place and look out the window it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:03   narrative type game where there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5763">TS</a>]

01:36:08   mostly you're in for the characters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5768">TS</a>]

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01:36:11   mechanics you're not going to be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:12   know you know traversing a tech tree a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:15   whore finding resources or leveling up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5775">TS</a>]

01:36:18   your character doing the other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:20   you typically do in more traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:22   game this is much more of a narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:23   driven game all these things that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:26   said about the game may make people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:28   are into games the so-called hardcore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:31   gamers who love games like starcraft and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5791">TS</a>]

01:36:34   destiny and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:36   battlefront and all these other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:37   like people love those type of games you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:39   know gamey games you know that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:40   quote-unquote self-described gamers may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:43   think this is not the game for them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5803">TS</a>]

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01:36:46   like artsy fartsy games but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:47   demand the challenge of a blood-borne or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:49   something you're not going to find it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:50   here so I but I feel like gamers already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5810">TS</a>]

01:36:52   know about this game they know all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5812">TS</a>]

01:36:54   review sites they read reviews of it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5814">TS</a>]

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01:37:00   for me that you're complicated consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:02   giving the truck it could be like I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5822">TS</a>]

01:37:04   I've people on Twitter basket i always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5824">TS</a>]

01:37:06   ask them have you played the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:08   person game before you have any sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5828">TS</a>]

01:37:09   like medium level of competence of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5829">TS</a>]

01:37:12   oh I know which direction I'm pointed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:14   a 3d World and I can walk around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:16   look at things that's really all that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5836">TS</a>]

01:37:18   required of you and some minor button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:19   pressing if you pass that hurdle give it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:23   a try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:23   and Mark own cases should definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5843">TS</a>]

01:37:25   play it because it's short and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5845">TS</a>]

01:37:27   never play any games and they can both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5847">TS</a>]

01:37:28   be just fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:29   whether they'll enjoy it or not who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5849">TS</a>]

01:37:31   knows because I don't get one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5851">TS</a>]

01:37:32   likes artsy-fartsy movies as far as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:34   goes but for everyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5854">TS</a>]

01:37:36   check it out it's really cool and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:37   minimum the game looks beautiful even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:40   you just launched a look at the title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5860">TS</a>]

01:37:41   screen and go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:42   damn those guys are good at what they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:43   now serious question can can we pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5863">TS</a>]

01:37:46   Merlin on this and do it in half and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:48   half or do you really need to dedicate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:50   like three or four hours to I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:51   think you need to do the one sitting I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:52   didn't want something accidentally like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5872">TS</a>]

01:37:54   i was i was saving this for the weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:56   because i liked to have had the game for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:58   a little while to after awhile I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5878">TS</a>]

01:37:59   like I don't want to like I want to rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:01   it on a work night or you know be up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:02   later whatever to stay for the weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:04   but last night my wife wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:06   something else instead of watch TV show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:08   that makes you want to watch the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5888">TS</a>]

01:38:09   that shows that she was just like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:10   find something to myself I said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:12   I've got fire watching people's people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:14   talking about on the internet maybe even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:16   just don't know just started maybe I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:18   just launched its see what it's like or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5898">TS</a>]

01:38:19   whatever and then I started playing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:21   of course they couldn't stop and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:23   know i just ran through the whole game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:24   one setting you do not need to play this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5904">TS</a>]

01:38:25   entire game one sitting but i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:26   encourage you to play the game and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5906">TS</a>]

01:38:28   small number of sittings don't play for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:30   five minutes and then leave the next day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5910">TS</a>]

01:38:32   in five minutes with me for the next day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5912">TS</a>]

01:38:33   like because it is a narrative because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:35   it is all that moving character you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:37   to have some amount of through-line like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5917">TS</a>]

01:38:39   you wouldn't watch you know it say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5919">TS</a>]

01:38:42   you're watching like a four-hour movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:44   you would watching five-minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:45   increments what you want to do in two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5925">TS</a>]

01:38:46   sittings that's probably okay actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:47   it's really not okay because i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:48   different rules for movies but this game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5928">TS</a>]

01:38:50   i'm gonna say if you want to do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5930">TS</a>]

01:38:52   multiple settings that fine if you do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:54   on one is great and I think it's even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:55   more powerful that way but asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5935">TS</a>]

01:38:57   someone to sit in front of their TV for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5937">TS</a>]

01:38:58   three to four hours is asking probably a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5938">TS</a>]

01:39:02   bit too much of someone who's not into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:03   games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5943">TS</a>]

01:39:04   fair enough that i'd like to try i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:06   wanted to try to even before you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5946">TS</a>]

01:39:08   talking about it but we'll see when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:10   have the time knowing me it'll be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:12   I don't know year and a half men don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5952">TS</a>]

01:39:13   like that so yeah it's always going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:15   read any spoilers for it just you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:17   fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5957">TS</a>]

01:39:18   that's that's also part of the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:19   was afraid I was gonna get spoiled like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5959">TS</a>]

01:39:20   better going to get going on this sooner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:23   rather than later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5963">TS</a>]

01:39:24   yeah yeah hopefully we'll hopefully I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:26   find the time try it soon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:28   alright alright thanks a lot two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5968">TS</a>]

01:39:30   three sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5970">TS</a>]

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01:39:33   will see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:35   now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5975">TS</a>]

01:39:40   mean to begin as it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:44   it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:48   John research Marco in kc wouldn't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5988">TS</a>]

01:39:52   him because it was accidentally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5992">TS</a>]

01:39:56   accidental and you can find show know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/5996">TS</a>]

01:40:00   the day EP die and if your twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:05   follow them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:09   yes byl ISS so that's Casey list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:14   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:23   Syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:36   so here's a question so I i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:39   interested in playing Firewatch i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6039">TS</a>]

01:40:42   that I have this imac i also have a ps4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6042">TS</a>]

01:40:44   I generally prefer using a computer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6044">TS</a>]

01:40:47   first-person games but I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6047">TS</a>]

01:40:51   install steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:52   why not stainless Feinstein's least of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:54   your concerns team is nice actually i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:56   think that this is a lot of mac users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:58   first experience with steam and it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:00   atrocious and it's filled with like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:01   wonder companies don't get sued for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6061">TS</a>]

01:41:03   like you remember the old gumball window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:04   widgets the red yellow and green you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6064">TS</a>]

01:41:07   know when they used to look like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6067">TS</a>]

01:41:08   look like glowing spheres well so steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:10   is entirely seems not a native mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:12   application i don't know what it's made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6072">TS</a>]

01:41:13   out of but they basically took steam and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:15   dressed it up in the skin a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:17   application and you know with their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:19   graphic so they basically copied and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6079">TS</a>]

01:41:21   pasted the old glowing balls from like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:23   10.6 or whatever and put them in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6083">TS</a>]

01:41:25   corner of their windows and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6085">TS</a>]

01:41:27   left them there and as the OSS vol.10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:29   710 810 910 it little glowing balls are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6089">TS</a>]

01:41:33   still out there and you realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6093">TS</a>]

01:41:34   really isn't like nothing on the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6094">TS</a>]

01:41:36   as a negative control it and like nope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6096">TS</a>]

01:41:38   they're just did is a you know a wolf in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:41   sheep's clothing so it doesn't it looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:43   weird doesn't look anything like a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:44   app or whatever but here's what i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6104">TS</a>]

01:41:45   about steam it also doesn't work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:47   install the startup items everywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6107">TS</a>]

01:41:49   it's like not what I did not start out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6109">TS</a>]

01:41:51   by a while yeah it does want around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6111">TS</a>]

01:41:52   launch but you can you can turn that off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6112">TS</a>]

01:41:54   yeah it constantly runs it it puts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6114">TS</a>]

01:41:56   itself everywhere and it's a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6116">TS</a>]

01:41:58   app and it's like the well here's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6118">TS</a>]

01:42:01   good about steam it lets you download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6121">TS</a>]

01:42:02   games and play them which sounds like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6122">TS</a>]

01:42:04   that's what so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6124">TS</a>]

01:42:05   but in the days before steam when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:07   have to download some kind of installer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:09   to your windows pc and get the installer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6129">TS</a>]

01:42:11   to run with on the same on the same pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:14   that other games are also installed on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6134">TS</a>]

01:42:15   and they would fight each other and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:17   have to fight over graphics card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:18   settings there's a reason steam is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6138">TS</a>]

01:42:20   popular because it took the terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6140">TS</a>]

01:42:22   world of gaming on the pc not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6142">TS</a>]

01:42:23   necessarily the mac because it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6143">TS</a>]

01:42:25   little game they're all getting on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6145">TS</a>]

01:42:26   pc and made it way less terrible it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6146">TS</a>]

01:42:30   still not as good as it should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:32   maybe but I love steam and I even love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6152">TS</a>]

01:42:34   steam on the mac even though it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:35   weird updater even though it wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6155">TS</a>]

01:42:37   launch on login items like it does silly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6157">TS</a>]

01:42:39   things you can stop it from doing them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6159">TS</a>]

01:42:41   it doesn't come with malware it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:42   better for the most part has better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6162">TS</a>]

01:42:45   you know and refund policy and sales and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:49   trials and all the other things that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6169">TS</a>]

01:42:50   can do in early access and stuff better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6170">TS</a>]

01:42:52   than the app store now that's a high bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6172">TS</a>]

01:42:54   but better than the app store for buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6174">TS</a>]

01:42:56   games probably have stuff for selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6176">TS</a>]

01:42:59   games as well the cable was tweeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6179">TS</a>]

01:43:01   today how exciting it was that on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6181">TS</a>]

01:43:02   day they launched fire watching steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6182">TS</a>]

01:43:05   they had already issued two bug fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:07   updates because I'm statements and steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:09   once your game is accepted to the to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6189">TS</a>]

01:43:11   steam store you do updates without any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6191">TS</a>]

01:43:13   interference at all you just post them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6193">TS</a>]

01:43:15   they go up immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6195">TS</a>]

01:43:16   yeah I wouldn't mind Apple taking some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:18   of their inspiration for the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6198">TS</a>]

01:43:21   from steam if they if they want to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:23   where things could be improved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:24   don't look at the apple the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:25   apps are garbage but don't look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6205">TS</a>]

01:43:26   steam app because the steam app kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:29   to me the steam at feels like how do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:31   put this gently it feels like not only a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:35   Windows app that is running on your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6215">TS</a>]

01:43:36   not only that because bad enough but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6216">TS</a>]

01:43:39   also feels like it is a Windows web app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:42   designed to run in internet explorer 3.0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6222">TS</a>]

01:43:45   which they have embedded in the app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:49   is running in virtual pc and malaysian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:53   through Rosetta emulation on your Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6233">TS</a>]

01:43:55   that's how it feel I think it's better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdS0YlzA/6235">TS</a>]

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