00:00:00 ◼ ► the following is the complete list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/0">TS</a>]
00:00:03 ◼ ► saying states in these United States of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3">TS</a>]
00:00:06 ◼ ► America that require only a real rear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/6">TS</a>]
00:00:08 ◼ ► license plate Alabama Arizona Arkansas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/8">TS</a>]
00:00:10 ◼ ► Delaware Florida Georgia Indiana Kansas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/10">TS</a>]
00:00:12 ◼ ► Kentucky Louisiana Michigan Mississippi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/12">TS</a>]
00:00:15 ◼ ► Pennsylvania South Carolina Tennessee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/15">TS</a>]
00:00:17 ◼ ► and West Virginia you'll notice that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/17">TS</a>]
00:00:20 ◼ ► Pennsylvania West Virginia all no front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/20">TS</a>]
00:00:24 ◼ ► license plate frame virginia now out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/24">TS</a>]
00:00:27 ◼ ► curiosity can you think of any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/27">TS</a>]
00:00:32 ◼ ► listed as the same States not off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/32">TS</a>]
00:00:35 ◼ ► top of my head so we should i do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/35">TS</a>]
00:00:38 ◼ ► follow-up and follow ya keep you I Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/38">TS</a>]
00:00:42 ◼ ► I can't believe I just did that I swore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/42">TS</a>]
00:00:44 ◼ ► I'd never do that on a podcast just just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/44">TS</a>]
00:00:48 ◼ ► I hate everything alright i quit anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/48">TS</a>]
00:00:50 ◼ ► I'm so we had some feedback about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/50">TS</a>]
00:00:54 ◼ ► we had a lot of private feedback from my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/54">TS</a>]
00:00:56 ◼ ► curly the once ipad hater now King ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/56">TS</a>]
00:01:00 ◼ ► evangelizer I'm i would never said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/60">TS</a>]
00:01:02 ◼ ► would never classified as a hater he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/62">TS</a>]
00:01:04 ◼ ► more of an ipad in different here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/64">TS</a>]
00:01:07 ◼ ► that's a word that is made up i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/67">TS</a>]
00:01:09 ◼ ► know maybe he was fairly anti pad for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/69">TS</a>]
00:01:12 ◼ ► while there but anyways he gave me some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/72">TS</a>]
00:01:15 ◼ ► feedback they basically said i didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/75">TS</a>]
00:01:16 ◼ ► know what i was doing and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/76">TS</a>]
00:01:17 ◼ ► problem which I believe I admitted a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/77">TS</a>]
00:01:20 ◼ ► of people basically said the same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/80">TS</a>]
00:01:22 ◼ ► and the point you know I was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/82">TS</a>]
00:01:23 ◼ ► make was hey you know all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/83">TS</a>]
00:01:26 ◼ ► I know s10 and it is not on the ipad i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/86">TS</a>]
00:01:29 ◼ ► accept a lot of people wrote in to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/89">TS</a>]
00:01:31 ◼ ► that you can in fact do a signature on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/91">TS</a>]
00:01:37 ◼ ► PDF on an iOS device and apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/97">TS</a>]
00:01:40 ◼ ► there's a toolbox which to me looks like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/100">TS</a>]
00:01:42 ◼ ► a briefcase icon and within there is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/102">TS</a>]
00:01:46 ◼ ► annotations and markup and whatnot and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/106">TS</a>]
00:01:48 ◼ ► within their you can do a signature i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/108">TS</a>]
00:01:50 ◼ ► have not had the chance to try this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/110">TS</a>]
00:01:51 ◼ ► myself but I had plenty of people tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/111">TS</a>]
00:01:54 ◼ ► me about this so I'm taking it as fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/114">TS</a>]
00:01:56 ◼ ► that is the case so that is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/116">TS</a>]
00:01:59 ◼ ► little bit of follow-up you can indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/119">TS</a>]
00:02:00 ◼ ► do the signature on an iOS device did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/120">TS</a>]
00:02:03 ◼ ► you mistake the briefcase icon for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/123">TS</a>]
00:02:05 ◼ ► windows 95 my briefcase he used you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/125">TS</a>]
00:02:12 ◼ ► because that was about the best way in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/132">TS</a>]
00:02:14 ◼ ► the windows world to do kind of like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/134">TS</a>]
00:02:16 ◼ ► poor man's rsync between your laptop in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/136">TS</a>]
00:02:19 ◼ ► your desktop which is what i was doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/139">TS</a>]
00:02:20 ◼ ► toward the end of college you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/140">TS</a>]
00:02:22 ◼ ► was kind of like the it was like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/142">TS</a>]
00:02:24 ◼ ► floppy disk stage of evolution towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/144">TS</a>]
00:02:26 ◼ ► the dropbox right that was also kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/146">TS</a>]
00:02:28 ◼ ► the hangover of the the desktop metaphor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/148">TS</a>]
00:02:30 ◼ ► they did the drunken orgy that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/150">TS</a>]
00:02:34 ◼ ► desktop metaphor like Oh folders there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/154">TS</a>]
00:02:38 ◼ ► cabinets and there's a little trash can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/158">TS</a>]
00:02:40 ◼ ► and so on and so forth and people would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/160">TS</a>]
00:02:41 ◼ ► latch onto that idea that's why the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/161">TS</a>]
00:02:44 ◼ ► Macintosh is easier to use because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/164">TS</a>]
00:02:46 ◼ ► has all these analogies to the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/166">TS</a>]
00:02:47 ◼ ► world and so people what else is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/167">TS</a>]
00:02:50 ◼ ► office like carpeting and it's like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/170">TS</a>]
00:02:52 ◼ ► like this windows we already got those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/172">TS</a>]
00:02:54 ◼ ► my carpeting you're exactly you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/174">TS</a>]
00:02:57 ◼ ► and that with the recycle recycle bin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/177">TS</a>]
00:03:00 ◼ ► because it's not like trash because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/180">TS</a>]
00:03:01 ◼ ► we're trendy than that and i guess like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/181">TS</a>]
00:03:03 ◼ ► a blotter maybe I mean magic cap one on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/183">TS</a>]
00:03:05 ◼ ► whole hog that like living rooms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/185">TS</a>]
00:03:06 ◼ ► ends and operations like briefcase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/186">TS</a>]
00:03:08 ◼ ► briefcase i know briefcase and so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/188">TS</a>]
00:03:10 ◼ ► got a briefcase and windows and but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/190">TS</a>]
00:03:12 ◼ ► about bob bob is after you go nuts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/192">TS</a>]
00:03:17 ◼ ► and this is the vision divisions you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/197">TS</a>]
00:03:18 ◼ ► in your head bob was like the jumping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/198">TS</a>]
00:03:21 ◼ ► over the shark and doing the fridge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/201">TS</a>]
00:03:23 ◼ ► that metaphor is Magic app you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/203">TS</a>]
00:03:25 ◼ ► look at Magic camp look like it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/205">TS</a>]
00:03:27 ◼ ► similar in terms of like making rooms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/207">TS</a>]
00:03:28 ◼ ► the house it became like maniac mansion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/208">TS</a>]
00:03:30 ◼ ► it was like you know Sierra adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/210">TS</a>]
00:03:32 ◼ ► where you're going room to room and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/212">TS</a>]
00:03:34 ◼ ► have these little anyway briefcase was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/214">TS</a>]
00:03:36 ◼ ► one of them and Apple itself to the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/216">TS</a>]
00:03:38 ◼ ► type of thing where they got distracted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/218">TS</a>]
00:03:40 ◼ ► for a bit and thought that what made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/220">TS</a>]
00:03:42 ◼ ► computers easy-to-use was specifically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/222">TS</a>]
00:03:44 ◼ ► the connections with your world things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/224">TS</a>]
00:03:47 ◼ ► and not all the other stuff that goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/227">TS</a>]
00:03:48 ◼ ► along with it now we have everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/228">TS</a>]
00:03:50 ◼ ► flat never would happen it's got fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/230">TS</a>]
00:03:54 ◼ ► that's true we still don't have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/234">TS</a>]
00:03:56 ◼ ► alternative Save icon so and actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/236">TS</a>]
00:03:58 ◼ ► can continue guys a big secret I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/238">TS</a>]
00:04:00 ◼ ► holding this in all these years my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/240">TS</a>]
00:04:02 ◼ ► computer at the time was not good enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/242">TS</a>]
00:04:04 ◼ ► to run it but there was one because I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/244">TS</a>]
00:04:06 ◼ ► basically in my pc growing up era I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/246">TS</a>]
00:04:09 ◼ ► spent a lot more time everybody else did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/249">TS</a>]
00:04:11 ◼ ► on Windows 3.1 I did not go to 95 i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/251">TS</a>]
00:04:13 ◼ ► using 3.1 until nineteen ninety-eight I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/253">TS</a>]
00:04:15 ◼ ► went straight 98 the there was a brief [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/255">TS</a>]
00:04:18 ◼ ► time where I went to a friend's house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/258">TS</a>]
00:04:19 ◼ ► and I saw microsoft bobbin on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/259">TS</a>]
00:04:21 ◼ ► pentium computer because it wouldn't run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/261">TS</a>]
00:04:24 ◼ ► and I really thought it was the coolest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/264">TS</a>]
00:04:25 ◼ ► thing I've ever seen that is a bold bold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/265">TS</a>]
00:04:30 ◼ ► yeah I don't really remember it when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/270">TS</a>]
00:04:32 ◼ ► was around I was all over windows during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/272">TS</a>]
00:04:34 ◼ ► this time but I don't really remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/274">TS</a>]
00:04:35 ◼ ► Bob very well at all i don't know if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/275">TS</a>]
00:04:37 ◼ ► ever saw or maybe I just blocked it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/277">TS</a>]
00:04:43 ◼ ► I mean it was just it was like a it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/283">TS</a>]
00:04:44 ◼ ► just like a shell that you would launch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/284">TS</a>]
00:04:46 ◼ ► from window they didn't replace that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/286">TS</a>]
00:04:48 ◼ ► shell it was like a sub it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/288">TS</a>]
00:04:49 ◼ ► giant app and you would like do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/289">TS</a>]
00:04:51 ◼ ► inside of Bob and it was so incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/291">TS</a>]
00:04:54 ◼ ► slow and any of this was this was during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/294">TS</a>]
00:04:55 ◼ ► like that the super dark era of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/295">TS</a>]
00:04:58 ◼ ► computing where the hard drives were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/298">TS</a>]
00:05:00 ◼ ► super slow and grinding constantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/300">TS</a>]
00:05:02 ◼ ► because there was not enough for him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/302">TS</a>]
00:05:03 ◼ ► do anything and so it was that this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/303">TS</a>]
00:05:10 ◼ ► everything just the entire side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/310">TS</a>]
00:05:12 ◼ ► computing for that entire area was hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/312">TS</a>]
00:05:14 ◼ ► drive grinding noises you guys both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/314">TS</a>]
00:05:16 ◼ ► minus the floppy disk grinding error of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/316">TS</a>]
00:05:19 ◼ ► computers where you could tell what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/319">TS</a>]
00:05:20 ◼ ► computer is doing by the particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/320">TS</a>]
00:05:21 ◼ ► tones your floppy drive know you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/321">TS</a>]
00:05:24 ◼ ► that but I was definitely rocking both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/324">TS</a>]
00:05:26 ◼ ► the actual floppy floppy what is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/326">TS</a>]
00:05:29 ◼ ► five and a quarter i always get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/329">TS</a>]
00:05:32 ◼ ► quarter three-and-a-half so yes Ida Ida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/332">TS</a>]
00:05:34 ◼ ► five and a quarter floppy drive in 88 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/334">TS</a>]
00:05:38 ◼ ► that my dad had used years prior and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/338">TS</a>]
00:05:43 ◼ ► remember I thought I was awesome because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/343">TS</a>]
00:05:45 ◼ ► it had a 10 meg hard drive in and at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/345">TS</a>]
00:05:47 ◼ ► time that was effectively infinite space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/347">TS</a>]
00:05:50 ◼ ► like you'd you couldn't feel it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/350">TS</a>]
00:05:52 ◼ ► wanted to but yeah I've definitely heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/352">TS</a>]
00:05:55 ◼ ► that teaching is constantly on now all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/355">TS</a>]
00:05:59 ◼ ► these kids these days that with their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/359">TS</a>]
00:06:00 ◼ ► windows pcs they have the drive letters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/360">TS</a>]
00:06:02 ◼ ► that start with C and they have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/362">TS</a>]
00:06:03 ◼ ► why they don't have an A&B drive but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/363">TS</a>]
00:06:05 ◼ ► they should really be as a weeping over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/365">TS</a>]
00:06:06 ◼ ► the fact that they still have drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/366">TS</a>]
00:06:08 ◼ ► there's that was hilarious but you got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/368">TS</a>]
00:06:11 ◼ ► grade on a curve with Windows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/371">TS</a>]
00:06:13 ◼ ► that's also true i believe this same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/373">TS</a>]
00:06:15 ◼ ► technique hard drive 88 had a the a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/375">TS</a>]
00:06:19 ◼ ► quarter almost got that wrong five and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/379">TS</a>]
00:06:21 ◼ ► quarter inch stride and i believe the be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/381">TS</a>]
00:06:25 ◼ ► low-density floppy so that was what like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/385">TS</a>]
00:06:28 ◼ ► 750 k or something like that and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/388">TS</a>]
00:06:30 ◼ ► was external i should add which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/390">TS</a>]
00:06:32 ◼ ► really cool probably scuzzy but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/392">TS</a>]
00:06:37 ◼ ► brings background I to say about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/397">TS</a>]
00:06:39 ◼ ► ipad is a lot of people wrote to say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/399">TS</a>]
00:06:41 ◼ ► you idiot the ipad has a camera and yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/401">TS</a>]
00:06:43 ◼ ► that's weird why didn't you just use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/403">TS</a>]
00:06:46 ◼ ► documents and use any one of these 350 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/406">TS</a>]
00:06:50 ◼ ► recommended in order to scan and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/410">TS</a>]
00:06:52 ◼ ► doing mega air quotes here scam the PDF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/412">TS</a>]
00:06:54 ◼ ► and that is a perfectly valid answer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/414">TS</a>]
00:06:58 ◼ ► i have one of those apps on my phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/418">TS</a>]
00:06:59 ◼ ► on my iPad and it does work surprisingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/419">TS</a>]
00:07:01 ◼ ► well but why on earth would I do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/421">TS</a>]
00:07:07 ◼ ► multi-thousand dollar scanning machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/427">TS</a>]
00:07:09 ◼ ► one of those multifunction printers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/429">TS</a>]
00:07:12 ◼ ► the office right there ready and waiting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/432">TS</a>]
00:07:13 ◼ ► the fidelity of that scam was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/433">TS</a>]
00:07:15 ◼ ► be far superior to any yo software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/435">TS</a>]
00:07:18 ◼ ► flattened picture of a piece of paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/438">TS</a>]
00:07:20 ◼ ► plus there's quite a bit that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/440">TS</a>]
00:07:21 ◼ ► scanning and want to spend all that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/441">TS</a>]
00:07:23 ◼ ► doing all that instead I spent all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/443">TS</a>]
00:07:25 ◼ ► time trying to get it all in the dropbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/445">TS</a>]
00:07:29 ◼ ► yeah that's totally better so nice i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/449">TS</a>]
00:07:31 ◼ ► just wanted to follow up on that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/451">TS</a>]
00:07:33 ◼ ► other thing I wanted to note is we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/453">TS</a>]
00:07:37 ◼ ► headphones and Bluetooth latency and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/457">TS</a>]
00:07:40 ◼ ► some other miscellaneous things and by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/460">TS</a>]
00:07:43 ◼ ► accident today i noticed something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/463">TS</a>]
00:07:45 ◼ ► completely striking and to back up just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/465">TS</a>]
00:07:47 ◼ ► a half-step you've talked Marco and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/467">TS</a>]
00:07:50 ◼ ► we've talked and I've talked in the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/470">TS</a>]
00:07:51 ◼ ► about how I don't really understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/471">TS</a>]
00:07:54 ◼ ► everyone gets their they're all up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/474">TS</a>]
00:07:58 ◼ ► arms about bluetooth latency especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/478">TS</a>]
00:08:00 ◼ ► when watching video because i never see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/480">TS</a>]
00:08:02 ◼ ► this and as well as we discussed last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/482">TS</a>]
00:08:04 ◼ ► episode i use these like fairly well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/484">TS</a>]
00:08:07 ◼ ► really cheap in fairly crappy bluetooth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/487">TS</a>]
00:08:09 ◼ ► headphones that I love don't get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/489">TS</a>]
00:08:11 ◼ ► wrong but they're unremarkable in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/491">TS</a>]
00:08:13 ◼ ► measurable way and i never get this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/493">TS</a>]
00:08:15 ◼ ► video agency that everyone else seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/495">TS</a>]
00:08:18 ◼ ► get well today John and tweeted a link [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/498">TS</a>]
00:08:21 ◼ ► to a video with one of the dudes from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/501">TS</a>]
00:08:23 ◼ ► the wire punk window appears so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/503">TS</a>]
00:08:27 ◼ ► tweeted a link geometry to link up that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/507">TS</a>]
00:08:28 ◼ ► was 10 psi believe you're right Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/508">TS</a>]
00:08:30 ◼ ► talking about it was actually very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/510">TS</a>]
00:08:32 ◼ ► interesting talking about being stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/512">TS</a>]
00:08:33 ◼ ► in real life by police officer and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/513">TS</a>]
00:08:36 ◼ ► on my work computer and I had click the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/516">TS</a>]
00:08:39 ◼ ► link in my work computer because we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/519">TS</a>]
00:08:42 ◼ ► all in on Google Apps chrome is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/522">TS</a>]
00:08:44 ◼ ► default browser and this is the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/524">TS</a>]
00:08:45 ◼ ► time that's ever been the case and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/525">TS</a>]
00:08:48 ◼ ► started watching this video and chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/528">TS</a>]
00:08:51 ◼ ► goodness this latency is ridiculous it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/531">TS</a>]
00:09:01 ◼ ► so I copy the link dropped in safari [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/541">TS</a>]
00:09:06 ◼ ► this is a youtube video i don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/546">TS</a>]
00:09:10 ◼ ► what it is but miles em wrote in when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/550">TS</a>]
00:09:12 ◼ ► tweet tweet about this and said so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/552">TS</a>]
00:09:14 ◼ ► use the system API to play video but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/554">TS</a>]
00:09:16 ◼ ► chrome reimplement everything itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/556">TS</a>]
00:09:18 ◼ ► down to the media decoders I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/558">TS</a>]
00:09:20 ◼ ► idea if that's true or not but i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/560">TS</a>]
00:09:23 ◼ ► tell you that anecdotally based on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/563">TS</a>]
00:09:25 ◼ ► video I watched during the day today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/565">TS</a>]
00:09:27 ◼ ► it certainly seemed like that very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/567">TS</a>]
00:09:29 ◼ ► may be the case and I was stunned by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/569">TS</a>]
00:09:32 ◼ ► fact that it happened be how bad it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/572">TS</a>]
00:09:33 ◼ ► and so I wonder if all these people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/573">TS</a>]
00:09:35 ◼ ► are whining and moaning about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/575">TS</a>]
00:09:37 ◼ ► bluetooth latency are just chrome users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/577">TS</a>]
00:09:39 ◼ ► and because of that they they see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/579">TS</a>]
00:09:43 ◼ ► terrible agency so they're all thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/583">TS</a>]
00:09:44 ◼ ► man i'm crazy how could I not see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/584">TS</a>]
00:09:46 ◼ ► as at the same time thinking man they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/586">TS</a>]
00:09:49 ◼ ► why are they seeing this and it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/589">TS</a>]
00:09:51 ◼ ► out it's just another reason why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/591">TS</a>]
00:09:52 ◼ ► shouldn't be using chrome turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/592">TS</a>]
00:09:54 ◼ ► no i mean so that their that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/594">TS</a>]
00:09:56 ◼ ► exactly right that basically that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/596">TS</a>]
00:09:58 ◼ ► that there is Bluetooth latency on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/598">TS</a>]
00:10:01 ◼ ► Bluetooth device there is latency not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/601">TS</a>]
00:10:03 ◼ ► about his airplane airplane is fixed at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/603">TS</a>]
00:10:04 ◼ ► two seconds regardless and that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/604">TS</a>]
00:10:06 ◼ ► like forever when trying something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/606">TS</a>]
00:10:07 ◼ ► bluetooth is way shorter than that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/607">TS</a>]
00:10:09 ◼ ► be used in substantially less than a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/609">TS</a>]
00:10:10 ◼ ► second but there is still noticeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/610">TS</a>]
00:10:12 ◼ ► agency and humans can take latency in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/612">TS</a>]
00:10:14 ◼ ► video where the audio isn't synched up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/614">TS</a>]
00:10:16 ◼ ► properly to like what like watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/616">TS</a>]
00:10:18 ◼ ► people's mouths move and they talk we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/618">TS</a>]
00:10:20 ◼ ► can detect very very small isolated and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/620">TS</a>]
00:10:21 ◼ ► just looks wrong to us so it has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/621">TS</a>]
00:10:23 ◼ ► perfectly when you're watching people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/623">TS</a>]
00:10:25 ◼ ► speak there can't be any any weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/625">TS</a>]
00:10:27 ◼ ► latency between the audio/video Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/627">TS</a>]
00:10:29 ◼ ► knows this so they're in their system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/629">TS</a>]
00:10:34 ◼ ► bluetooth headphones they they have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/634">TS</a>]
00:10:36 ◼ ► way I don't know the details of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/636">TS</a>]
00:10:39 ◼ ► establishing with the headset what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/639">TS</a>]
00:10:41 ◼ ► latency is and then compensating for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/641">TS</a>]
00:10:43 ◼ ► the downside of this first of all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/643">TS</a>]
00:10:45 ◼ ► just found one which is that it only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/645">TS</a>]
00:10:48 ◼ ► frameworks no downside is that not every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/648">TS</a>]
00:10:51 ◼ ► headphone supports this and so like I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/651">TS</a>]
00:10:53 ◼ ► tested probably five or six sensible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/653">TS</a>]
00:10:55 ◼ ► have fun now and only I think two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/655">TS</a>]
00:10:57 ◼ ► them actually properly didn't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/657">TS</a>]
00:11:00 ◼ ► latency and the the rest all had on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/660">TS</a>]
00:11:04 ◼ ► in the system video player even on ios4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/664">TS</a>]
00:11:07 ◼ ► you think that would be most commonly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/667">TS</a>]
00:11:08 ◼ ► tested and the other problem is games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/668">TS</a>]
00:11:12 ◼ ► you know video can account for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/672">TS</a>]
00:11:15 ◼ ► game's almost always can't and don't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/675">TS</a>]
00:11:19 ◼ ► so it works fine if you are using your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/679">TS</a>]
00:11:21 ◼ ► headphones to watch a video in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/681">TS</a>]
00:11:24 ◼ ► built-in system API player in something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/684">TS</a>]
00:11:26 ◼ ► that works fine that's probably all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/686">TS</a>]
00:11:29 ◼ ► yeah I mean I think so I I can't imagine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/689">TS</a>]
00:11:32 ◼ ► a time other than when i was in chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/692">TS</a>]
00:11:34 ◼ ► that I wasn't using just the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/694">TS</a>]
00:11:35 ◼ ► frameworks right but if it's especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/695">TS</a>]
00:11:38 ◼ ► problem if you're trying to play games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/698">TS</a>]
00:11:39 ◼ ► with bluetooth headphones you base it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/699">TS</a>]
00:11:42 ◼ ► basically impossible you basically can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/702">TS</a>]
00:11:44 ◼ ► unless you are just not listening to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/704">TS</a>]
00:11:47 ◼ ► something that just always crazy how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/707">TS</a>]
00:11:50 ◼ ► I just think that I hope that in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/710">TS</a>]
00:11:53 ◼ ► future they will keep improving these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/713">TS</a>]
00:11:55 ◼ ► wireless audio api is to eliminate these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/715">TS</a>]
00:11:58 ◼ ► problems because it's kind of a shame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/718">TS</a>]
00:12:00 ◼ ► that it requires the deep integration of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/720">TS</a>]
00:12:03 ◼ ► compensation getting everything get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/723">TS</a>]
00:12:05 ◼ ► crunk should be able to do it correctly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/725">TS</a>]
00:12:06 ◼ ► in other words it shouldn't be such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/726">TS</a>]
00:12:09 ◼ ► problem so I by I don't know what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/729">TS</a>]
00:12:14 ◼ ► continues to evolve and I think it needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/734">TS</a>]
00:12:16 ◼ ► to continue to evolve because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/736">TS</a>]
00:12:17 ◼ ► obviously not quite good enough yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/737">TS</a>]
00:12:19 ◼ ► well and you know there's there's to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/739">TS</a>]
00:12:22 ◼ ► some degree there's always going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/742">TS</a>]
00:12:23 ◼ ► some latency inherent in a digital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/743">TS</a>]
00:12:26 ◼ ► signal being transmitted being accepted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/746">TS</a>]
00:12:29 ◼ ► over wireless network being decoded from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/749">TS</a>]
00:12:31 ◼ ► digital to analog in certain no chunks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/751">TS</a>]
00:12:33 ◼ ► of blocks and as always you know with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/753">TS</a>]
00:12:36 ◼ ► with audio latency you're always having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/756">TS</a>]
00:12:38 ◼ ► this this trade-off if you make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/758">TS</a>]
00:12:40 ◼ ► that means you have really short buffers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/760">TS</a>]
00:12:42 ◼ ► on all the sides which means it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/762">TS</a>]
00:12:43 ◼ ► extremely sensitive to cutting out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/763">TS</a>]
00:12:46 ◼ ► any kind of reception drop or or flaky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/766">TS</a>]
00:12:49 ◼ ► signal or anything so if you have very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/769">TS</a>]
00:12:51 ◼ ► very low latency it is very fragile or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/771">TS</a>]
00:12:54 ◼ ► if you is if you increase the latency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/774">TS</a>]
00:12:58 ◼ ► weirdness in the signal you can like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/778">TS</a>]
00:12:59 ◼ ► back off a little bit and burst the data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/779">TS</a>]
00:13:01 ◼ ► that you missed before the latency has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/781">TS</a>]
00:13:03 ◼ ► caught up just like the old auntie skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/783">TS</a>]
00:13:05 ◼ ► things and investment you have you ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/785">TS</a>]
00:13:09 ◼ ► there's all these trade-offs and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/789">TS</a>]
00:13:12 ◼ ► might not be worth it if most people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/792">TS</a>]
00:13:14 ◼ ► fine most of the time or if the or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/794">TS</a>]
00:13:17 ◼ ► which often happens often happens in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/797">TS</a>]
00:13:19 ◼ ► case with technological progress if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/799">TS</a>]
00:13:23 ◼ ► does have shortcomings and downsides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/803">TS</a>]
00:13:25 ◼ ► that people are just ok with because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/805">TS</a>]
00:13:28 ◼ ► like everyone might just decide you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/808">TS</a>]
00:13:30 ◼ ► what I'm fine with just not having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/810">TS</a>]
00:13:32 ◼ ► synced up audio when playing games while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/812">TS</a>]
00:13:35 ◼ ► wearing headphones like people might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/815">TS</a>]
00:13:36 ◼ ► just decide that because it's worth it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/816">TS</a>]
00:13:41 ◼ ► something that will be solved and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/821">TS</a>]
00:13:44 ◼ ► we'll be starting soon you know don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/824">TS</a>]
00:13:47 ◼ ► worry because apples hard real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/827">TS</a>]
00:13:48 ◼ ► operating systems are working on for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/828">TS</a>]
00:13:51 ◼ ► underflow problems on your buffers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/831">TS</a>]
00:13:52 ◼ ► because you've got time slice guarantees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/832">TS</a>]
00:13:54 ◼ ► and on the that'll solve all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/834">TS</a>]
00:13:57 ◼ ► I mean people always talk about I i I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/837">TS</a>]
00:13:58 ◼ ► saying this is a joke by the way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/838">TS</a>]
00:14:01 ◼ ► theoretical you know the the real time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/841">TS</a>]
00:14:05 ◼ ► requirements of any sort of software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/845">TS</a>]
00:14:07 ◼ ► that Apple might be doing in the car and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/847">TS</a>]
00:14:09 ◼ ► I redheads have a hard time believing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/849">TS</a>]
00:14:11 ◼ ► that any software part of the car system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/851">TS</a>]
00:14:16 ◼ ► like it in other words i imagine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/856">TS</a>]
00:14:19 ◼ ► Apple's going to do the part of the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/859">TS</a>]
00:14:20 ◼ ► that you would you know but the software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/860">TS</a>]
00:14:22 ◼ ► that you see on the screen in the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/862">TS</a>]
00:14:24 ◼ ► that you interact with but I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/864">TS</a>]
00:14:25 ◼ ► imagined that the internal things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/865">TS</a>]
00:14:27 ◼ ► deal with like engine control computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/867">TS</a>]
00:14:29 ◼ ► will have absolutely no lineage or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/869">TS</a>]
00:14:33 ◼ ► software code base like that it'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/873">TS</a>]
00:14:35 ◼ ► be an embedded system that it won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/875">TS</a>]
00:14:38 ◼ ► related to iOS that none of that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/878">TS</a>]
00:14:40 ◼ ► will come to iOS and other stuff from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/880">TS</a>]
00:14:41 ◼ ► iOS go to it there will be an iOS like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/881">TS</a>]
00:14:43 ◼ ► thing for front-end doesn't mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/883">TS</a>]
00:14:45 ◼ ► ever make are you know the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/885">TS</a>]
00:14:46 ◼ ► runs all the dashboard and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/886">TS</a>]
00:14:48 ◼ ► stuff but the part that runs the engine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/888">TS</a>]
00:14:49 ◼ ► computer and any other stuff I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/889">TS</a>]
00:14:51 ◼ ► imagine that having any connection with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/891">TS</a>]
00:14:54 ◼ ► the existing basically with Darwin with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/894">TS</a>]
00:14:57 ◼ ► existing a code basement one and we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/897">TS</a>]
00:14:59 ◼ ► we've heard very early and very you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/899">TS</a>]
00:15:02 ◼ ► unreliable but still rumblings that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/902">TS</a>]
00:15:05 ◼ ► indicated that's exactly what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/905">TS</a>]
00:15:06 ◼ ► doing that that they are working on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/906">TS</a>]
00:15:08 ◼ ► new kernel and a new OS at that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/908">TS</a>]
00:15:14 ◼ ► because it's you know that's kind of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/914">TS</a>]
00:15:16 ◼ ► of the reasons why Swift is so safe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/916">TS</a>]
00:15:17 ◼ ► everything like that but that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/917">TS</a>]
00:15:19 ◼ ► still be for the dashboard control like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/919">TS</a>]
00:15:20 ◼ ► I'm saying for you know for the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/920">TS</a>]
00:15:22 ◼ ► preferred the things that have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/922">TS</a>]
00:15:23 ◼ ► real time oh yeah it because they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/923">TS</a>]
00:15:25 ◼ ► you know the the Darwin colonel is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/925">TS</a>]
00:15:27 ◼ ► Colonel where you can guarantee i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/927">TS</a>]
00:15:29 ◼ ► they know they have the stuff for trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/929">TS</a>]
00:15:31 ◼ ► to guarantee time slices for audio and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/931">TS</a>]
00:15:33 ◼ ► video or whatever but it's not like hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/933">TS</a>]
00:15:34 ◼ ► real-time like things you put on like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/934">TS</a>]
00:15:36 ◼ ► spacecraft to go to Mars where this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/936">TS</a>]
00:15:39 ◼ ► absolutely positively has to happen it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/939">TS</a>]
00:15:41 ◼ ► just it's very tightly constrained you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/941">TS</a>]
00:15:43 ◼ ► environment was that one really popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/943">TS</a>]
00:15:45 ◼ ► one when river systems or something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/945">TS</a>]
00:15:48 ◼ ► spacecraft and satellites and other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/948">TS</a>]
00:15:50 ◼ ► stuff like that that is a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/950">TS</a>]
00:15:51 ◼ ► problem domain and I see no reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/951">TS</a>]
00:15:53 ◼ ► apple would need to make a single OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/953">TS</a>]
00:15:55 ◼ ► that spans because you never see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/955">TS</a>]
00:15:56 ◼ ► real-time operating system it just runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/956">TS</a>]
00:15:58 ◼ ► the machinery under the covers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/958">TS</a>]
00:15:59 ◼ ► apples free to make a swift from top to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/959">TS</a>]
00:16:02 ◼ ► bottom cool UI thing for all the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/962">TS</a>]
00:16:07 ◼ ► applications audio system all that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/967">TS</a>]
00:16:08 ◼ ► stuff which could still also be entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/968">TS</a>]
00:16:10 ◼ ► new code base but I still feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/970">TS</a>]
00:16:14 ◼ ► that doesn't even need to be real time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/974">TS</a>]
00:16:15 ◼ ► because it just controls the sort of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/975">TS</a>]
00:16:17 ◼ ► essential functions if its self-driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/977">TS</a>]
00:16:18 ◼ ► then I don't really know what the hell's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/978">TS</a>]
00:16:20 ◼ ► going on our first sponsor this week is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/980">TS</a>]
00:16:24 ◼ ► backblaze go to backblaze dot-com / ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/984">TS</a>]
00:16:27 ◼ ► for the best online backup I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/987">TS</a>]
00:16:30 ◼ ► I've been back with a back plz customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/990">TS</a>]
00:16:32 ◼ ► for I don't know three four years now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/992">TS</a>]
00:16:34 ◼ ► it's been awhile since this was before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/994">TS</a>]
00:16:36 ◼ ► the sponsored our shows and because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/996">TS</a>]
00:16:38 ◼ ► just I did the research i tried a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/998">TS</a>]
00:16:40 ◼ ► online backup services out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1000">TS</a>]
00:16:43 ◼ ► back plays with my favorite by far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1003">TS</a>]
00:16:44 ◼ ► simple as that so they have over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1004">TS</a>]
00:16:47 ◼ ► hundred and fifty petabytes of data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1007">TS</a>]
00:16:49 ◼ ► backed up this isn't all for me although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1009">TS</a>]
00:16:51 ◼ ► a lot of it is but not all hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1011">TS</a>]
00:16:53 ◼ ► petabytes of our mind they had you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1013">TS</a>]
00:16:55 ◼ ► anybody can do this they have over 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1015">TS</a>]
00:16:58 ◼ ► billion files that have been restored to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1018">TS</a>]
00:17:00 ◼ ► their customers so like they've backed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1020">TS</a>]
00:17:02 ◼ ► up way more than 10 million files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1022">TS</a>]
00:17:03 ◼ ► they've restored 10 million files for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1023">TS</a>]
00:17:05 ◼ ► their customers all this data that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1025">TS</a>]
00:17:07 ◼ ► keep up in their cloud is not in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1027">TS</a>]
00:17:10 ◼ ► office not in your home so that any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1030">TS</a>]
00:17:13 ◼ ► of environmental problem that affects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1033">TS</a>]
00:17:14 ◼ ► all the computers in your office or all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1034">TS</a>]
00:17:16 ◼ ► the computers in your home things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1036">TS</a>]
00:17:18 ◼ ► you know electrical problems fires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1038">TS</a>]
00:17:20 ◼ ► floods theft if you are back plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1040">TS</a>]
00:17:23 ◼ ► customer you know that your data is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1043">TS</a>]
00:17:25 ◼ ► still there is back place still has your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1045">TS</a>]
00:17:27 ◼ ► data and you can get it back it's it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1047">TS</a>]
00:17:31 ◼ ► backblaze saves your butt in that case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1051">TS</a>]
00:17:33 ◼ ► it really does it is great it is founded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1053">TS</a>]
00:17:34 ◼ ► by X Apple engineers they respect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1054">TS</a>]
00:17:36 ◼ ► mac plus they work on windows to as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1056">TS</a>]
00:17:38 ◼ ► as i know i don't ride but I'm sure yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1058">TS</a>]
00:17:41 ◼ ► on your mac and pc so they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1061">TS</a>]
00:17:43 ◼ ► windows up to it if you run that way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1063">TS</a>]
00:17:45 ◼ ► can put on your c drive but now you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1065">TS</a>]
00:17:47 ◼ ► or b drives you don't have those anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1067">TS</a>]
00:17:48 ◼ ► a bad place is really easy no add-ons no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1068">TS</a>]
00:17:51 ◼ ► gimmicks no additional charges five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1071">TS</a>]
00:17:53 ◼ ► bucks per month for unlimited space on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1073">TS</a>]
00:17:57 ◼ ► throttled speeds everything you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1077">TS</a>]
00:17:59 ◼ ► no add-ons no gimmicks five bucks a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1079">TS</a>]
00:18:03 ◼ ► backblaze calm / ATP you need online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1083">TS</a>]
00:18:06 ◼ ► backup and if you're going to get online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1086">TS</a>]
00:18:08 ◼ ► backup this is the one I recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1088">TS</a>]
00:18:09 ◼ ► thanks a lot of bad place for sponsoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1089">TS</a>]
00:18:10 ◼ ► our show so back places better the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1090">TS</a>]
00:18:13 ◼ ► lately and not just because they sponsor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1093">TS</a>]
00:18:15 ◼ ► this awesome program but because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1095">TS</a>]
00:18:18 ◼ ► had a running with Adobe yes this is we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1098">TS</a>]
00:18:21 ◼ ► all have we all had a run-in with Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1101">TS</a>]
00:18:25 ◼ ► whoops so I do not have creative cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1105">TS</a>]
00:18:28 ◼ ► so just one of you want to fill fill me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1108">TS</a>]
00:18:30 ◼ ► and fill everyone in on what happened i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1110">TS</a>]
00:18:34 ◼ ► thankfully but i do have well here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1114">TS</a>]
00:18:37 ◼ ► thing i have Photoshop cs6 which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1117">TS</a>]
00:18:39 ◼ ► the last pre creative crowd cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1119">TS</a>]
00:18:42 ◼ ► version but for reasons all I know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1122">TS</a>]
00:18:45 ◼ ► I'm saying why does this always systems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1125">TS</a>]
00:18:47 ◼ ► anyway even though i have cs6 i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1127">TS</a>]
00:18:49 ◼ ► have the creative cloud icon in the menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1129">TS</a>]
00:18:51 ◼ ► bar because i think i downloaded like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1131">TS</a>]
00:18:53 ◼ ► trial illustrator I might have paid for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1133">TS</a>]
00:18:54 ◼ ► illustrator for a month like illustrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1134">TS</a>]
00:18:56 ◼ ► CC like the first version anyway once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1136">TS</a>]
00:18:59 ◼ ► again because on your system has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1139">TS</a>]
00:19:00 ◼ ► creative cloud menu thing which like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1140">TS</a>]
00:19:02 ◼ ► tries to update your applications for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1142">TS</a>]
00:19:03 ◼ ► you and do other crap like that it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1143">TS</a>]
00:19:06 ◼ ► yeah and I'm it launches on login and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1146">TS</a>]
00:19:08 ◼ ► you try to get rid of it and comes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1148">TS</a>]
00:19:10 ◼ ► he just wanna quit like Steam yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1150">TS</a>]
00:19:12 ◼ ► steam does it through the system through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1152">TS</a>]
00:19:14 ◼ ► the system login items and you turn off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1154">TS</a>]
00:19:16 ◼ ► it stays off Creative Cloud just keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1156">TS</a>]
00:19:17 ◼ ► coming back like an undead zombie anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1157">TS</a>]
00:19:19 ◼ ► adobe has a history of having let's say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1159">TS</a>]
00:19:29 ◼ ► installations on the mac there I i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1169">TS</a>]
00:19:31 ◼ ► at various times search for solutions to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1171">TS</a>]
00:19:33 ◼ ► seemingly intractable adobe application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1173">TS</a>]
00:19:35 ◼ ► installation problems infants and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1175">TS</a>]
00:19:36 ◼ ► instructions on adobe's own website not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1176">TS</a>]
00:19:38 ◼ ► in the forums like literal officially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1178">TS</a>]
00:19:40 ◼ ► official adobe instructions that contain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1180">TS</a>]
00:19:42 ◼ ► terrifying like sets of steps that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1182">TS</a>]
00:19:45 ◼ ► have to follow to get yourself out of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1185">TS</a>]
00:19:47 ◼ ► situation in which you're legitimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1187">TS</a>]
00:19:49 ◼ ► purchase adobe application won't update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1189">TS</a>]
00:19:51 ◼ ► running commands from the shell prompt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1191">TS</a>]
00:19:54 ◼ ► you know sudo RM blah blah it's like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1194">TS</a>]
00:19:57 ◼ ► seriously this is anyway they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1197">TS</a>]
00:19:59 ◼ ► serious challenges and this is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1199">TS</a>]
00:20:03 ◼ ► apparently they release some software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1203">TS</a>]
00:20:04 ◼ ► and this is all kind of experimental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1204">TS</a>]
00:20:05 ◼ ► determined by back place and you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1205">TS</a>]
00:20:07 ◼ ► understand my bike place is involved at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1207">TS</a>]
00:20:10 ◼ ► it's some piece of software that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1210">TS</a>]
00:20:16 ◼ ► directories at the top level of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1216">TS</a>]
00:20:18 ◼ ► volume and sort them i'm assuming a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1218">TS</a>]
00:20:21 ◼ ► schematically as in like capital letters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1221">TS</a>]
00:20:23 ◼ ► first or whatever but any rate periods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1223">TS</a>]
00:20:25 ◼ ► and spaces and stuff first pick the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1225">TS</a>]
00:20:27 ◼ ► first one and delete its contents and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1227">TS</a>]
00:20:30 ◼ ► was hoping that first one would be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1230">TS</a>]
00:20:32 ◼ ► a dot adobe something but depending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1232">TS</a>]
00:20:36 ◼ ► whether you had a previous installation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1236">TS</a>]
00:20:37 ◼ ► it could be something other than dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1237">TS</a>]
00:20:39 ◼ ► adobe or space adobe over the hall was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1239">TS</a>]
00:20:41 ◼ ► it could in fact be something called dot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1241">TS</a>]
00:20:44 ◼ ► bz ball which is a back plays hidden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1244">TS</a>]
00:20:46 ◼ ► directory where it stores a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1246">TS</a>]
00:20:47 ◼ ► crap that has to do with the operation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1247">TS</a>]
00:20:49 ◼ ► of back place so people were messing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1249">TS</a>]
00:20:51 ◼ ► with this adobe creative cloud update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1251">TS</a>]
00:20:53 ◼ ► which i'm sure they were all prompted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1253">TS</a>]
00:20:54 ◼ ► install by the little menu item that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1254">TS</a>]
00:20:56 ◼ ► always runs the people systems and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1256">TS</a>]
00:20:57 ◼ ► would install it and that installer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1257">TS</a>]
00:20:59 ◼ ► would delete the contents of back blazes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1259">TS</a>]
00:21:03 ◼ ► information about your backups and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1263">TS</a>]
00:21:05 ◼ ► that's pretty antisocial behavior when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1265">TS</a>]
00:21:08 ◼ ► an application not made by you goes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1268">TS</a>]
00:21:12 ◼ ► deletes all your crap out from under it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1272">TS</a>]
00:21:13 ◼ ► now to black places credit they figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1273">TS</a>]
00:21:17 ◼ ► out this problem pretty quickly they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1277">TS</a>]
00:21:18 ◼ ► posted a thing on the side that explains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1278">TS</a>]
00:21:19 ◼ ► how to solve the situation they reported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1279">TS</a>]
00:21:21 ◼ ► to adobe and then to adobe's credit will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1281">TS</a>]
00:21:23 ◼ ► be fixed it and pull the updated all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1283">TS</a>]
00:21:25 ◼ ► stuff and we'll link to a blog post in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1285">TS</a>]
00:21:28 ◼ ► the show notes from backways explaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1288">TS</a>]
00:21:29 ◼ ► the situation and again we don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1289">TS</a>]
00:21:32 ◼ ► the these particular details back please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1292">TS</a>]
00:21:34 ◼ ► just has like experimental experimental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1294">TS</a>]
00:21:36 ◼ ► a determined this that and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1296">TS</a>]
00:21:37 ◼ ► thing what people are doing in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1297">TS</a>]
00:21:39 ◼ ► meantime before these updates was they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1299">TS</a>]
00:21:40 ◼ ► would make a bunch of a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1300">TS</a>]
00:21:41 ◼ ► sacrificial folders at the top level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1301">TS</a>]
00:21:43 ◼ ► their directory like called AAA to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1303">TS</a>]
00:21:46 ◼ ► the dough hook the adobe thing nuke that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1306">TS</a>]
00:21:47 ◼ ► one and not the bz vol.1 but as back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1307">TS</a>]
00:21:50 ◼ ► place points out even if you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1310">TS</a>]
00:21:52 ◼ ► thing happened to you at no time where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1312">TS</a>]
00:21:55 ◼ ► your actual backplate about backups in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1315">TS</a>]
00:21:57 ◼ ► jeopardy because the backups are all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1317">TS</a>]
00:21:59 ◼ ► server-side back plays this was merely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1319">TS</a>]
00:22:03 ◼ ► view our backup thing by deleting all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1323">TS</a>]
00:22:05 ◼ ► the information needs to keep track of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1325">TS</a>]
00:22:07 ◼ ► stuff so that players will automatically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1327">TS</a>]
00:22:08 ◼ ► created and I'm assuming you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1328">TS</a>]
00:22:10 ◼ ► grind your desk for a while to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1330">TS</a>]
00:22:11 ◼ ► out what the hell's would recreate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1331">TS</a>]
00:22:12 ◼ ► directory but it's good to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1332">TS</a>]
00:22:15 ◼ ► despite another application coming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1335">TS</a>]
00:22:17 ◼ ► recursively delete the contents of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1337">TS</a>]
00:22:19 ◼ ► of its directories your actual backups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1339">TS</a>]
00:22:21 ◼ ► mean like the data that is starting back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1341">TS</a>]
00:22:22 ◼ ► place the server where are we safe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1342">TS</a>]
00:22:24 ◼ ► during this time we give Apple hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1344">TS</a>]
00:22:27 ◼ ► for for software quality issues that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1347">TS</a>]
00:22:29 ◼ ► think they have but we a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1349">TS</a>]
00:22:31 ◼ ► people right in to say why don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1351">TS</a>]
00:22:33 ◼ ► complain about Adobe just as much and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1353">TS</a>]
00:22:36 ◼ ► and the truth is adobe software is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1356">TS</a>]
00:22:38 ◼ ► typically far worse than apple software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1358">TS</a>]
00:22:40 ◼ ► especially the non-core thing so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1360">TS</a>]
00:22:43 ◼ ► think about like photoshop illustrator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1363">TS</a>]
00:22:44 ◼ ► these like the core adobe act like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1364">TS</a>]
00:22:47 ◼ ► core apps as as much as they can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1367">TS</a>]
00:22:50 ◼ ► weird and flaky as much as people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1370">TS</a>]
00:22:51 ◼ ► love and hate them so much at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1371">TS</a>]
00:22:53 ◼ ► time they don't usually have stability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1373">TS</a>]
00:22:56 ◼ ► issues or data loss issues they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1376">TS</a>]
00:22:59 ◼ ► many other issues but those are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1379">TS</a>]
00:23:00 ◼ ► usually among them so it's not like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1380">TS</a>]
00:23:03 ◼ ► like that the main core apps tend to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1383">TS</a>]
00:23:05 ◼ ► work decently well most of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1385">TS</a>]
00:23:06 ◼ ► although I can anyone Apple but that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1386">TS</a>]
00:23:10 ◼ ► problem adobe has is all the other like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1390">TS</a>]
00:23:14 ◼ ► anything related to acrobat but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1394">TS</a>]
00:23:16 ◼ ► all that all supporting crap around them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1396">TS</a>]
00:23:18 ◼ ► at the installers the the cloud services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1398">TS</a>]
00:23:21 ◼ ► that they use like the behance plugins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1401">TS</a>]
00:23:23 ◼ ► and all this all this crazy stuff those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1403">TS</a>]
00:23:25 ◼ ► things tend to work very poorly and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1405">TS</a>]
00:23:28 ◼ ► very inconsistent and the reason why we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1408">TS</a>]
00:23:31 ◼ ► don't usually criticized adobe on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1411">TS</a>]
00:23:32 ◼ ► show is simply because adobe has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1412">TS</a>]
00:23:34 ◼ ► making mediocre software for so long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1414">TS</a>]
00:23:36 ◼ ► that we have no expectations of quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1416">TS</a>]
00:23:38 ◼ ► from Adobe as sad as that is and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1418">TS</a>]
00:23:41 ◼ ► say this as a longtime adobe customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1421">TS</a>]
00:23:43 ◼ ► and user of multiple products by them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1423">TS</a>]
00:23:45 ◼ ► but the fact is that adobe just has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1425">TS</a>]
00:23:48 ◼ ► really really bad reputation for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1428">TS</a>]
00:23:50 ◼ ► stuff and has four years so yeah we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1430">TS</a>]
00:23:52 ◼ ► don't expect much from them and and when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1432">TS</a>]
00:23:55 ◼ ► it's it's barely even worth mentioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1435">TS</a>]
00:23:56 ◼ ► because like it just it happened like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1436">TS</a>]
00:23:59 ◼ ► crap with Adobe happens all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1439">TS</a>]
00:24:00 ◼ ► usually not this bad but like it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1440">TS</a>]
00:24:02 ◼ ► you know it's just one more day using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1442">TS</a>]
00:24:04 ◼ ► adobe stuff for the software doing weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1444">TS</a>]
00:24:06 ◼ ► stuff and not quite installing right or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1446">TS</a>]
00:24:08 ◼ ► creative cloud is doing weird things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1448">TS</a>]
00:24:14 ◼ ► obviously like most people use adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1454">TS</a>]
00:24:17 ◼ ► you know os10 PDF rendering built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1457">TS</a>]
00:24:19 ◼ ► everything people have no longer have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1459">TS</a>]
00:24:21 ◼ ► reason download acrobat just look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1461">TS</a>]
00:24:23 ◼ ► pdfs if you're not a designer or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1463">TS</a>]
00:24:26 ◼ ► using one of you know you don't use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1466">TS</a>]
00:24:28 ◼ ► adobe product so much where is everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1468">TS</a>]
00:24:29 ◼ ► is using you know the operating system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1469">TS</a>]
00:24:31 ◼ ► and a lot of the built-in apps that ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1471">TS</a>]
00:24:33 ◼ ► with Apple think it was just a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1473">TS</a>]
00:24:34 ◼ ► bigger surface area for people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1474">TS</a>]
00:24:37 ◼ ► encounter problems with the with apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1477">TS</a>]
00:24:39 ◼ ► stuff that the reason I want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1479">TS</a>]
00:24:41 ◼ ► about this aside from the backways angle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1481">TS</a>]
00:24:43 ◼ ► and it's just coincidence we have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1483">TS</a>]
00:24:44 ◼ ► back place a sponsoring this episode is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1484">TS</a>]
00:24:47 ◼ ► the sandboxing angle because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1487">TS</a>]
00:24:50 ◼ ► discussion i saw about this issue was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1490">TS</a>]
00:24:55 ◼ ► applications to be sandbox and sent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1495">TS</a>]
00:24:58 ◼ ► quicksand boxing refresher sandboxing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1498">TS</a>]
00:25:00 ◼ ► basically a way to limit the ability of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1500">TS</a>]
00:25:04 ◼ ► applications to do things so typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1504">TS</a>]
00:25:07 ◼ ► general-purpose PC or Mac when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1507">TS</a>]
00:25:09 ◼ ► running an application that application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1509">TS</a>]
00:25:11 ◼ ► can do anything that you could do as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1511">TS</a>]
00:25:14 ◼ ► a user as and you could delete all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1514">TS</a>]
00:25:16 ◼ ► files in your home directory and so can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1516">TS</a>]
00:25:18 ◼ ► any program that you run you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1518">TS</a>]
00:25:20 ◼ ► know rename things remove things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1520">TS</a>]
00:25:23 ◼ ► just you know sit transmit data over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1523">TS</a>]
00:25:26 ◼ ► network pull data down from somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1526">TS</a>]
00:25:28 ◼ ► anything basically you could do as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1528">TS</a>]
00:25:31 ◼ ► user or a program that you wrote any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1531">TS</a>]
00:25:32 ◼ ► program that you run can do and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1532">TS</a>]
00:25:34 ◼ ► sandboxing does is says that each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1534">TS</a>]
00:25:37 ◼ ► individual application has to declare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1537">TS</a>]
00:25:38 ◼ ► what kinds of things it wants to do so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1538">TS</a>]
00:25:42 ◼ ► application might say I need to access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1542">TS</a>]
00:25:44 ◼ ► the network or maybe I need to access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1544">TS</a>]
00:25:46 ◼ ► now we can just go to certain sites i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1546">TS</a>]
00:25:48 ◼ ► need accurate access the camera or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1548">TS</a>]
00:25:49 ◼ ► microphone i need access to the file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1549">TS</a>]
00:25:52 ◼ ► system i need access to just these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1552">TS</a>]
00:25:54 ◼ ► folders in the file system and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1554">TS</a>]
00:25:56 ◼ ► like that and you can have these sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1556">TS</a>]
00:25:59 ◼ ► permissions all up to level of like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1559">TS</a>]
00:26:01 ◼ ► I need access to the complete file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1561">TS</a>]
00:26:02 ◼ ► system and historically apple has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1562">TS</a>]
00:26:04 ◼ ► trying to slowly close that door to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1564">TS</a>]
00:26:07 ◼ ► no application should really have access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1567">TS</a>]
00:26:09 ◼ ► to the entire file system and if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1569">TS</a>]
00:26:11 ◼ ► there should be a good reason and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1571">TS</a>]
00:26:13 ◼ ► the whole negotiation with the mac app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1573">TS</a>]
00:26:15 ◼ ► store in San boxing mac applications to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1575">TS</a>]
00:26:17 ◼ ► try to this negotiation backwards be an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1577">TS</a>]
00:26:19 ◼ ► apple and the applications of what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1579">TS</a>]
00:26:21 ◼ ► call them titles what entitlements is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1581">TS</a>]
00:26:23 ◼ ► your application actually need to do its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1583">TS</a>]
00:26:25 ◼ ► job versus which ones you just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1585">TS</a>]
00:26:26 ◼ ► have so why is your application they use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1586">TS</a>]
00:26:30 ◼ ► using the camera I and maybe have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1590">TS</a>]
00:26:32 ◼ ► reason at all if you don't have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1592">TS</a>]
00:26:34 ◼ ► we will take a picture of you and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1594">TS</a>]
00:26:37 ◼ ► use that as your after okay well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1597">TS</a>]
00:26:40 ◼ ► application to access the entire file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1600">TS</a>]
00:26:42 ◼ ► system well we don't really know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1602">TS</a>]
00:26:44 ◼ ► we're going to add file so we just want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1604">TS</a>]
00:26:45 ◼ ► access to the whole file system and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1605">TS</a>]
00:26:47 ◼ ► sorry we really want you to pick where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1607">TS</a>]
00:26:48 ◼ ► you're gonna put the files you can put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1608">TS</a>]
00:26:49 ◼ ► dialog box up and the user can pick when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1609">TS</a>]
00:26:51 ◼ ► you get permission for that directory of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1611">TS</a>]
00:26:52 ◼ ► that directory tree but you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1612">TS</a>]
00:26:57 ◼ ► discussed with adobe stuff as you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1617">TS</a>]
00:26:59 ◼ ► adobe is not in the mac app store adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1619">TS</a>]
00:27:01 ◼ ► sells its own software has its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1621">TS</a>]
00:27:03 ◼ ► subscription service to create a cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1623">TS</a>]
00:27:04 ◼ ► thing where you can sort of rent your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1624">TS</a>]
00:27:06 ◼ ► software and that will give you updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1626">TS</a>]
00:27:08 ◼ ► for a certain amount of time and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1628">TS</a>]
00:27:10 ◼ ► not a nightcap story not just because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1630">TS</a>]
00:27:11 ◼ ► they don't want to share three percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1631">TS</a>]
00:27:13 ◼ ► of the money battle but also because no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1633">TS</a>]
00:27:14 ◼ ► other applications would function is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1634">TS</a>]
00:27:20 ◼ ► sandboxing is related to this because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1640">TS</a>]
00:27:21 ◼ ► if their application with sandbox surely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1641">TS</a>]
00:27:26 ◼ ► entitlement that allows it gives it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1646">TS</a>]
00:27:27 ◼ ► access to the entire file system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1647">TS</a>]
00:27:29 ◼ ► the updater would instead like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1649">TS</a>]
00:27:30 ◼ ► prompt you to find your application or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1650">TS</a>]
00:27:31 ◼ ► something and then the user would give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1651">TS</a>]
00:27:34 ◼ ► alrighty offers a Mac App Store updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1654">TS</a>]
00:27:35 ◼ ► work entirely different anyway because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1655">TS</a>]
00:27:37 ◼ ► it would just be able to update the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1657">TS</a>]
00:27:38 ◼ ► individual apps and their bundles but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1658">TS</a>]
00:27:41 ◼ ► the real issue is alright so sandboxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1661">TS</a>]
00:27:43 ◼ ► would have saved this but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1663">TS</a>]
00:27:44 ◼ ► sandboxed so what is sandboxing actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1664">TS</a>]
00:27:47 ◼ ► buying us because if I if you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1667">TS</a>]
00:27:52 ◼ ► applications does not defeat the purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1672">TS</a>]
00:27:55 ◼ ► of sandboxing in other words you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1675">TS</a>]
00:27:56 ◼ ► get everybody to be sandbox it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1676">TS</a>]
00:27:58 ◼ ► matter how great sandboxing us but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1678">TS</a>]
00:27:59 ◼ ► just takes one sandbox application to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1679">TS</a>]
00:28:02 ◼ ► so what do you guys think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1682">TS</a>]
00:28:03 ◼ ► sandboxing yay or nay angle on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1683">TS</a>]
00:28:08 ◼ ► I think it's a reasonable angle but part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1688">TS</a>]
00:28:12 ◼ ► of the reason that the mac is so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1692">TS</a>]
00:28:14 ◼ ► and part of the reason I've been talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1694">TS</a>]
00:28:16 ◼ ► the last couple of episodes about things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1696">TS</a>]
00:28:19 ◼ ► that bother me about iOS is that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1699">TS</a>]
00:28:21 ◼ ► take things into your own hands in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1701">TS</a>]
00:28:23 ◼ ► that you can't with iOS and that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1703">TS</a>]
00:28:26 ◼ ► freeing and so I wouldn't I would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1706">TS</a>]
00:28:30 ◼ ► very upset if all software had to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1710">TS</a>]
00:28:33 ◼ ► through the mac app store or somehow it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1713">TS</a>]
00:28:39 ◼ ► I don't see that as feasible I do think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1719">TS</a>]
00:28:42 ◼ ► though that software developers should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1722">TS</a>]
00:28:45 ◼ ► be better systems of the ecosystem and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1725">TS</a>]
00:28:52 ◼ ► sandboxed wherever possible now I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1732">TS</a>]
00:28:55 ◼ ► clear can use sand box without being in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1735">TS</a>]
00:28:58 ◼ ► the app store so i could Creative Cloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1738">TS</a>]
00:28:59 ◼ ► still be a third-party third and a third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1739">TS</a>]
00:29:02 ◼ ► party am an outside of the appstore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1742">TS</a>]
00:29:04 ◼ ► thing and also be sandbox get definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1744">TS</a>]
00:29:07 ◼ ► you can do that okay and some people do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1747">TS</a>]
00:29:08 ◼ ► that was one of the discussions like wha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1748">TS</a>]
00:29:10 ◼ ► why would anyone voluntarily subject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1750">TS</a>]
00:29:13 ◼ ► their application to the sandbox if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1753">TS</a>]
00:29:14 ◼ ► you're not on the mac app store said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1754">TS</a>]
00:29:15 ◼ ► you're selling an application directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1755">TS</a>]
00:29:17 ◼ ► why would you go through the trouble of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1757">TS</a>]
00:29:18 ◼ ► sandboxing and part of the reason i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1758">TS</a>]
00:29:20 ◼ ► to protect yourself from your own bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1760">TS</a>]
00:29:23 ◼ ► say you have some sort of silly bug or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1763">TS</a>]
00:29:25 ◼ ► not so silly bugger Isis this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1765">TS</a>]
00:29:27 ◼ ► itunes spot way back in the day this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1767">TS</a>]
00:29:29 ◼ ► a very common bug for for the mindset of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1769">TS</a>]
00:29:32 ◼ ► the people that tend to write things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1772">TS</a>]
00:29:34 ◼ ► like installers and uninstallers this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1774">TS</a>]
00:29:36 ◼ ► mindset is the assumption that no Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1776">TS</a>]
00:29:38 ◼ ► user know really old-school mac user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1778">TS</a>]
00:29:40 ◼ ► ever make but that basically everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1780">TS</a>]
00:29:42 ◼ ► else in the entire computing universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1782">TS</a>]
00:29:43 ◼ ► except old-school mac user makes an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1783">TS</a>]
00:29:45 ◼ ► assumption is for example file names do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1785">TS</a>]
00:29:48 ◼ ► not contain spaces because who would put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1788">TS</a>]
00:29:50 ◼ ► a space in their file name that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1790">TS</a>]
00:29:51 ◼ ► madness you can have spaces in filenames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1791">TS</a>]
00:29:52 ◼ ► that the itunes bug was if you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1792">TS</a>]
00:29:56 ◼ ► space in your file name there was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1796">TS</a>]
00:29:57 ◼ ► shell script that was just blindly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1797">TS</a>]
00:29:59 ◼ ► taking a string building a path that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1799">TS</a>]
00:30:01 ◼ ► string and then running a command on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1801">TS</a>]
00:30:03 ◼ ► without quoting the string because hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1803">TS</a>]
00:30:04 ◼ ► what if there's a quote in the string [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1804">TS</a>]
00:30:05 ◼ ► who would put a quote in their file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1805">TS</a>]
00:30:07 ◼ ► names mac users would that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1807">TS</a>]
00:30:09 ◼ ► okay well these are you single quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1809">TS</a>]
00:30:11 ◼ ► who would put a single quote in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1811">TS</a>]
00:30:12 ◼ ► file names mac users that suit you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1812">TS</a>]
00:30:16 ◼ ► decade-and-a-half that the file name is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1816">TS</a>]
00:30:19 ◼ ► the users domain you can type whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1819">TS</a>]
00:30:20 ◼ ► the hell you want their will accept what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1820">TS</a>]
00:30:22 ◼ ► is it a colon or comics was the one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1822">TS</a>]
00:30:24 ◼ ► can use you can get a colon into you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1824">TS</a>]
00:30:26 ◼ ► get something that that it appears as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1826">TS</a>]
00:30:27 ◼ ► colon okay yeah yeah it's colon slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1827">TS</a>]
00:30:30 ◼ ► there there are limitations so basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1830">TS</a>]
00:30:34 ◼ ► prevented from typing those things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1834">TS</a>]
00:30:35 ◼ ► essentially or you prevented from really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1835">TS</a>]
00:30:37 ◼ ► getting those into the file name but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1837">TS</a>]
00:30:38 ◼ ► bottom line is you would never think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1838">TS</a>]
00:30:39 ◼ ► that because i put a space in my file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1839">TS</a>]
00:30:41 ◼ ► name this would mean like the items when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1841">TS</a>]
00:30:43 ◼ ► I think what if you had a volume called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1843">TS</a>]
00:30:44 ◼ ► fubar and you had I know you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1844">TS</a>]
00:30:47 ◼ ► volume called foo and then you had a pop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1847">TS</a>]
00:30:50 ◼ ► Pat volume called fubar the thing would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1850">TS</a>]
00:30:54 ◼ ► but after the first space the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1854">TS</a>]
00:30:55 ◼ ► the RM command would say oh you want me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1855">TS</a>]
00:30:57 ◼ ► to delete volumes food ok I'll go that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1857">TS</a>]
00:30:59 ◼ ► i'll do the loot that ok you also want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1859">TS</a>]
00:31:01 ◼ ► me to leave borrow no no such file and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1861">TS</a>]
00:31:03 ◼ ► you were sad because it just nuclear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1863">TS</a>]
00:31:05 ◼ ► entire directory anyway I'm dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1865">TS</a>]
00:31:07 ◼ ► pads as strings and dealing with path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1867">TS</a>]
00:31:10 ◼ ► strings in a sloppy way is an epidemic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1870">TS</a>]
00:31:12 ◼ ► in the computing world so that it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1872">TS</a>]
00:31:17 ◼ ► it's actually very difficult to get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1877">TS</a>]
00:31:18 ◼ ► part of the the system right and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1878">TS</a>]
00:31:20 ◼ ► you'd sandbox yourself to say what if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1880">TS</a>]
00:31:23 ◼ ► make one of those mistakes what if I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1883">TS</a>]
00:31:24 ◼ ► deep in objective-c code and I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1884">TS</a>]
00:31:26 ◼ ► know building you know at any time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1886">TS</a>]
00:31:29 ◼ ► you're shelling out or doing something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1889">TS</a>]
00:31:30 ◼ ► that you think I've built a string and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1890">TS</a>]
00:31:32 ◼ ► this is some NS string that has a file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1892">TS</a>]
00:31:34 ◼ ► path and I'm and then instead of feeding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1894">TS</a>]
00:31:35 ◼ ► it to an objective-c framework that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1895">TS</a>]
00:31:37 ◼ ► would presumably do the right thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1897">TS</a>]
00:31:39 ◼ ► instead you say i'm just going to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1899">TS</a>]
00:31:41 ◼ ► this external command even if it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1901">TS</a>]
00:31:42 ◼ ► I'm just gonna run as external command [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1902">TS</a>]
00:31:43 ◼ ► converts mark down into HTML and I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1903">TS</a>]
00:31:45 ◼ ► just feed this path and everything will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1905">TS</a>]
00:31:46 ◼ ► be fine i guess you're probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1906">TS</a>]
00:31:48 ◼ ► going to nuclear world will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1908">TS</a>]
00:31:49 ◼ ► just break when someone puts the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1909">TS</a>]
00:31:50 ◼ ► or you know an exclamation point or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1910">TS</a>]
00:31:54 ◼ ► single quotes or double quotes depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1914">TS</a>]
00:31:55 ◼ ► on how silly you're being about going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1915">TS</a>]
00:31:57 ◼ ► the shelter to these type of things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1917">TS</a>]
00:31:59 ◼ ► i can tell you someone who writes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1919">TS</a>]
00:32:01 ◼ ► language is actually very close to shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1921">TS</a>]
00:32:03 ◼ ► script thing even in languages like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1923">TS</a>]
00:32:06 ◼ ► where you know this is not the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1926">TS</a>]
00:32:09 ◼ ► purpose of languages that make it easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1929">TS</a>]
00:32:10 ◼ ► to run shell commands right to run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1930">TS</a>]
00:32:12 ◼ ► things that you would type of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1932">TS</a>]
00:32:13 ◼ ► terminal don't those languages have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1933">TS</a>]
00:32:14 ◼ ► facilities for doing all this even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1934">TS</a>]
00:32:16 ◼ ► those languages people just ignore the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1936">TS</a>]
00:32:18 ◼ ► facilities that allow you to essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1938">TS</a>]
00:32:21 ◼ ► directly to the exact CVP function or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1941">TS</a>]
00:32:23 ◼ ► whatever where you bypass the shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1943">TS</a>]
00:32:25 ◼ ► entirely you know what the components of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1945">TS</a>]
00:32:28 ◼ ► the command are you know this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1948">TS</a>]
00:32:29 ◼ ► command you know this is the path you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1949">TS</a>]
00:32:30 ◼ ► know this is the whatever never go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1950">TS</a>]
00:32:32 ◼ ► through the shell and let it try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1952">TS</a>]
00:32:33 ◼ ► figure out where the boundaries are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1953">TS</a>]
00:32:34 ◼ ► because you will just little you be sad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1954">TS</a>]
00:32:37 ◼ ► so if you can sandbox your application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1957">TS</a>]
00:32:41 ◼ ► application will only ever modify files [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1961">TS</a>]
00:32:43 ◼ ► in these two directories +1 that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1963">TS</a>]
00:32:44 ◼ ► user picks themselves with the open side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1964">TS</a>]
00:32:46 ◼ ► of dialog box then when you have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1966">TS</a>]
00:32:48 ◼ ► bug your application what function [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1968">TS</a>]
00:32:50 ◼ ► directly but you will not accidentally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1970">TS</a>]
00:32:51 ◼ ► recursively delete their home directory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1971">TS</a>]
00:32:53 ◼ ► their volume their entire documents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1973">TS</a>]
00:32:55 ◼ ► folder or whatever else so yeah Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1975">TS</a>]
00:32:57 ◼ ► would sandboxes on application and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1977">TS</a>]
00:32:59 ◼ ► think i would too even though probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1979">TS</a>]
00:33:01 ◼ ► be a giant pain because I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1981">TS</a>]
00:33:03 ◼ ► don't that just don't exist anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1983">TS</a>]
00:33:05 ◼ ► because they think nobody in the mac app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1985">TS</a>]
00:33:06 ◼ ► store should have therefore people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1986">TS</a>]
00:33:09 ◼ ► I mean that's the main problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1989">TS</a>]
00:33:10 ◼ ► sandboxing is is really not the concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1990">TS</a>]
00:33:12 ◼ ► it there's two main problems is on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1992">TS</a>]
00:33:15 ◼ ► mac number one is it wasn't always there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1995">TS</a>]
00:33:16 ◼ ► so we have this entire ecosystem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1996">TS</a>]
00:33:19 ◼ ► softens and built up over decades that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/1999">TS</a>]
00:33:22 ◼ ► it was originally built without the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2002">TS</a>]
00:33:24 ◼ ► concept of sandboxing and then now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2004">TS</a>]
00:33:26 ◼ ► has to be bolted on and for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2006">TS</a>]
00:33:27 ◼ ► apps that is either impossible or very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2007">TS</a>]
00:33:29 ◼ ► difficult and then secondly that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2009">TS</a>]
00:33:32 ◼ ► other problem is that Apple just hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2012">TS</a>]
00:33:34 ◼ ► really been a very good steward of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2014">TS</a>]
00:33:35 ◼ ► taking sandboxing and moving it forward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2015">TS</a>]
00:33:37 ◼ ► and adding entitlements for things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2017">TS</a>]
00:33:40 ◼ ► really are necessary in the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2020">TS</a>]
00:33:41 ◼ ► and as a result the the kind of policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2021">TS</a>]
00:33:46 ◼ ► by action at least have been doing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2026">TS</a>]
00:33:47 ◼ ► far is well if you don't want to fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2027">TS</a>]
00:33:49 ◼ ► into what we want for the mac app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2029">TS</a>]
00:33:51 ◼ ► we don't want you there at all like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2031">TS</a>]
00:33:53 ◼ ► don't even want you to use any of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2033">TS</a>]
00:33:54 ◼ ► technology and and I'm sure that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2034">TS</a>]
00:33:57 ◼ ► what like Craig federighi wants to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2037">TS</a>]
00:33:58 ◼ ► the case but that's what's happening so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2038">TS</a>]
00:34:00 ◼ ► far so hopefully they remember that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2040">TS</a>]
00:34:02 ◼ ► mac exists just long enough to update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2042">TS</a>]
00:34:04 ◼ ► sandboxing and and give it to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2044">TS</a>]
00:34:07 ◼ ► more useful because I as both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2047">TS</a>]
00:34:08 ◼ ► developer and a user i'm a developer at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2048">TS</a>]
00:34:11 ◼ ► least not yet but but I as a user I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2051">TS</a>]
00:34:13 ◼ ► would love for more of my apps to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2053">TS</a>]
00:34:15 ◼ ► sandboxed if Apple wants to advance this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2055">TS</a>]
00:34:17 ◼ ► this the system and this practice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2057">TS</a>]
00:34:20 ◼ ► being of sandbox after I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2060">TS</a>]
00:34:21 ◼ ► should they to make more apps able to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2061">TS</a>]
00:34:24 ◼ ► sandbox in a reasonable way and so I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2064">TS</a>]
00:34:27 ◼ ► hope there's enough people at Apple who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2067">TS</a>]
00:34:29 ◼ ► agree with that that gets done at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2069">TS</a>]
00:34:30 ◼ ► point but you as a developer as you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2070">TS</a>]
00:34:33 ◼ ► not only for protecting you know all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2073">TS</a>]
00:34:35 ◼ ► your data from my accidental bugs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2075">TS</a>]
00:34:38 ◼ ► stuff to go into it i would if i if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2078">TS</a>]
00:34:40 ◼ ► was making it looks sort of making mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2080">TS</a>]
00:34:43 ◼ ► I'm not but suppose I was please don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2083">TS</a>]
00:34:45 ◼ ► get excited about insurance rkc i know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2085">TS</a>]
00:34:47 ◼ ► should I i have a guy i had like forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2087">TS</a>]
00:34:50 ◼ ► ago I'd like a branch that I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2090">TS</a>]
00:34:51 ◼ ► compile like the data layer to Mac but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2091">TS</a>]
00:34:53 ◼ ► not the not a UI or anything that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2093">TS</a>]
00:34:56 ◼ ► that's the kind of app doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2096">TS</a>]
00:34:58 ◼ ► need deep system access to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2098">TS</a>]
00:35:00 ◼ ► anything i mean i would need access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2100">TS</a>]
00:35:02 ◼ ► play audio and that's a and download [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2102">TS</a>]
00:35:05 ◼ ► stuff from the network like that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2105">TS</a>]
00:35:07 ◼ ► that's about it like so i would totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2107">TS</a>]
00:35:09 ◼ ► accept sandboxing I wouldn't want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2109">TS</a>]
00:35:11 ◼ ► responsibility of messing with your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2111">TS</a>]
00:35:13 ◼ ► system or messing with other apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2113">TS</a>]
00:35:17 ◼ ► well to be hacked and have some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2117">TS</a>]
00:35:19 ◼ ► remote injection if you a webpage you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2119">TS</a>]
00:35:20 ◼ ► know weird stuff like that like I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2120">TS</a>]
00:35:22 ◼ ► we're beyond most of that was like web [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2122">TS</a>]
00:35:24 ◼ ► stuff these days but still you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2124">TS</a>]
00:35:26 ◼ ► would be nice to just like eliminate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2126">TS</a>]
00:35:28 ◼ ► sources of budget you to me it's like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2128">TS</a>]
00:35:30 ◼ ► a developer would i opted into memory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2130">TS</a>]
00:35:33 ◼ ► protection of course i would like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2133">TS</a>]
00:35:35 ◼ ► one of those things where if what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2135">TS</a>]
00:35:37 ◼ ► doing can fit within those restrictions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2137">TS</a>]
00:35:39 ◼ ► you should adopt them just because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2139">TS</a>]
00:35:41 ◼ ► will help it will help you not only make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2141">TS</a>]
00:35:43 ◼ ► better software but ensure more secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2143">TS</a>]
00:35:45 ◼ ► software as as time goes on as people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2145">TS</a>]
00:35:48 ◼ ► try to hack it or as you make mistakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2148">TS</a>]
00:35:49 ◼ ► so of course I would opt into that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2149">TS</a>]
00:35:52 ◼ ► iOS i'm very glad it's there because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2152">TS</a>]
00:35:53 ◼ ► there's no these whole classes of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2153">TS</a>]
00:35:56 ◼ ► where like if I gotta support thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2156">TS</a>]
00:35:58 ◼ ► says oh whenever i launched overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2158">TS</a>]
00:36:01 ◼ ► facebook crashes that's not my problem i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2161">TS</a>]
00:36:04 ◼ ► can't do anything about that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2164">TS</a>]
00:36:05 ◼ ► and in a way that's kind of frustrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2165">TS</a>]
00:36:07 ◼ ► community have to tell people sorry i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2167">TS</a>]
00:36:09 ◼ ► can't really help but also i can say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2169">TS</a>]
00:36:11 ◼ ► well I sorry it's out of my control and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2171">TS</a>]
00:36:14 ◼ ► it's probably everything I'm doing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2174">TS</a>]
00:36:15 ◼ ► know so there are lots of advantages to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2175">TS</a>]
00:36:18 ◼ ► sandboxing for developers and users as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2178">TS</a>]
00:36:20 ◼ ► long as the system either indicates of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2180">TS</a>]
00:36:22 ◼ ► iOS that's always been there or in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2182">TS</a>]
00:36:24 ◼ ► case of the mac hopefully it gets better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2184">TS</a>]
00:36:26 ◼ ► enough that people more more apps can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2186">TS</a>]
00:36:29 ◼ ► adopt it so that leaves me the question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2189">TS</a>]
00:36:31 ◼ ► like the this whole sandboxing an Adobe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2191">TS</a>]
00:36:34 ◼ ► bug thing of like apples responsibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2194">TS</a>]
00:36:37 ◼ ► as a platform or not responsibility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2197">TS</a>]
00:36:38 ◼ ► apples apples goals as the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2198">TS</a>]
00:36:40 ◼ ► owner is too i think it should be to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2200">TS</a>]
00:36:44 ◼ ► to get as many people into the sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2204">TS</a>]
00:36:47 ◼ ► on the mac as possible and they've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2207">TS</a>]
00:36:49 ◼ ► trying to do that like they did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2209">TS</a>]
00:36:50 ◼ ► important first step was they themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2210">TS</a>]
00:36:52 ◼ ► sandbox a ton of the background demons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2212">TS</a>]
00:36:54 ◼ ► that were on your mac so they like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2214">TS</a>]
00:36:56 ◼ ► thing that does like name lookups and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2216">TS</a>]
00:36:57 ◼ ► stuff can't doesn't have complete access [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2217">TS</a>]
00:36:59 ◼ ► to the file system just to make them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2219">TS</a>]
00:37:01 ◼ ► less of a vector for exploitation in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2221">TS</a>]
00:37:05 ◼ ► overflow and like the name lookup system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2225">TS</a>]
00:37:08 ◼ ► it does it can't write an arbitrary file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2228">TS</a>]
00:37:10 ◼ ► to anywhere in the file system because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2230">TS</a>]
00:37:11 ◼ ► that thing is still a sandbox a sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2231">TS</a>]
00:37:13 ◼ ► a lot of their own things sandbox a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2233">TS</a>]
00:37:15 ◼ ► of the OS they tried to send back some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2235">TS</a>]
00:37:16 ◼ ► of their applications and of course they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2236">TS</a>]
00:37:18 ◼ ► eventually restricted the mac app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2238">TS</a>]
00:37:20 ◼ ► to it which heard a lot of applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2240">TS</a>]
00:37:22 ◼ ► but at this point that the the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2242">TS</a>]
00:37:25 ◼ ► area of trying to get more things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2245">TS</a>]
00:37:27 ◼ ► sandboxes saying are you an important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2247">TS</a>]
00:37:30 ◼ ► other application that a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2250">TS</a>]
00:37:31 ◼ ► use and you're not using a sandbox and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2251">TS</a>]
00:37:34 ◼ ► they're like that should be the focus of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2254">TS</a>]
00:37:36 ◼ ► all their efforts out why are you not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2256">TS</a>]
00:37:37 ◼ ► using the sandbox what can we do to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2257">TS</a>]
00:37:39 ◼ ► you get in the sandbox yes even for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2259">TS</a>]
00:37:41 ◼ ► companies like Adobe that will probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2261">TS</a>]
00:37:42 ◼ ► never be in the mac app store for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2262">TS</a>]
00:37:43 ◼ ► financial reasons in terms of profit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2263">TS</a>]
00:37:45 ◼ ► sharing with Apple they should still be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2265">TS</a>]
00:37:47 ◼ ► saying adobe we understand you're never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2267">TS</a>]
00:37:49 ◼ ► gonna have a 30-percent we understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2269">TS</a>]
00:37:50 ◼ ► you have your own subscription service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2270">TS</a>]
00:37:52 ◼ ► your own weird thing going on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2272">TS</a>]
00:37:53 ◼ ► that's fine but we would still like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2273">TS</a>]
00:37:56 ◼ ► of your applications including your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2276">TS</a>]
00:37:58 ◼ ► installers and everything to be in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2278">TS</a>]
00:38:01 ◼ ► what do we have to do to get you into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2281">TS</a>]
00:38:02 ◼ ► the sandbox today like car dealership [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2282">TS</a>]
00:38:05 ◼ ► that you know they need to be out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2285">TS</a>]
00:38:07 ◼ ► trying to get butts in the seats just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2287">TS</a>]
00:38:11 ◼ ► mixing my analogies now on the sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2291">TS</a>]
00:38:13 ◼ ► and if that means making variants of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2293">TS</a>]
00:38:16 ◼ ► sandbox that are entirely different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2296">TS</a>]
00:38:19 ◼ ► whatever be a lot of the mac app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2299">TS</a>]
00:38:20 ◼ ► that would still be a benefit to both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2300">TS</a>]
00:38:22 ◼ ► Apple and users right so that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2302">TS</a>]
00:38:24 ◼ ► trying to be ideologically pure and say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2304">TS</a>]
00:38:26 ◼ ► if you can't fit within the sandbox as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2306">TS</a>]
00:38:28 ◼ ► we define it just fine it like ideally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2308">TS</a>]
00:38:31 ◼ ► for these isolated applications like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2311">TS</a>]
00:38:33 ◼ ► they are in iOS that tough luck you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2313">TS</a>]
00:38:35 ◼ ► you know or if we say you know don't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2315">TS</a>]
00:38:37 ◼ ► could be maybe apples telling you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2317">TS</a>]
00:38:38 ◼ ► but you could be the sandbox now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2318">TS</a>]
00:38:40 ◼ ► you're not nobody's like yeah we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2320">TS</a>]
00:38:42 ◼ ► kind of what the upside might be for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2322">TS</a>]
00:38:44 ◼ ► apple and for users but it just seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2324">TS</a>]
00:38:46 ◼ ► like a lot of work and even there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2326">TS</a>]
00:38:47 ◼ ► real technical limitations we could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2327">TS</a>]
00:38:49 ◼ ► it today we don't want to and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2329">TS</a>]
00:38:51 ◼ ► kind of you know Apple what Apple's job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2331">TS</a>]
00:38:55 ◼ ► essentially spend money time and effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2335">TS</a>]
00:38:58 ◼ ► to get into the sandbox and so if I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2338">TS</a>]
00:39:01 ◼ ► apple i would say i would have had these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2341">TS</a>]
00:39:04 ◼ ► efforts ongoing and be when this bug it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2344">TS</a>]
00:39:05 ◼ ► would be like trying to nicely say to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2345">TS</a>]
00:39:08 ◼ ► Adobe you know depending on the current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2348">TS</a>]
00:39:10 ◼ ► situation is I don't know it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2350">TS</a>]
00:39:11 ◼ ► that it will be can't get in the sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2351">TS</a>]
00:39:12 ◼ ► right now at all but if they can be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2352">TS</a>]
00:39:14 ◼ ► they just refuse to because it takes too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2354">TS</a>]
00:39:16 ◼ ► much effort I will be gently pressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2356">TS</a>]
00:39:18 ◼ ► them to say see if you would if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2358">TS</a>]
00:39:20 ◼ ► would sandbox your applications you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2360">TS</a>]
00:39:24 ◼ ► embarrassing for you and bad for our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2364">TS</a>]
00:39:26 ◼ ► what can we do to help can we send [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2366">TS</a>]
00:39:28 ◼ ► engineers out there can we help you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2368">TS</a>]
00:39:29 ◼ ► and not everyone gets this treatment but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2369">TS</a>]
00:39:31 ◼ ► it will be even though a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2371">TS</a>]
00:39:32 ◼ ► don't use it enough people use it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2372">TS</a>]
00:39:35 ◼ ► professionals an important market for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2375">TS</a>]
00:39:36 ◼ ► them you know anyway that's my hope for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2376">TS</a>]
00:39:38 ◼ ► the future for sandboxing that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2378">TS</a>]
00:39:41 ◼ ► actually becomes more broadly useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2381">TS</a>]
00:39:43 ◼ ► because it's unrealistic like Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2383">TS</a>]
00:39:47 ◼ ► counterproductive to try to get every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2387">TS</a>]
00:39:49 ◼ ► single application to the marrow sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2389">TS</a>]
00:39:51 ◼ ► has defined the mac app store but it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2391">TS</a>]
00:39:53 ◼ ► good for everybody involved in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2393">TS</a>]
00:39:57 ◼ ► participants in it it's just as I become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2397">TS</a>]
00:40:00 ◼ ► an older and older developer in person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2400">TS</a>]
00:40:03 ◼ ► I feel like I've learned more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2403">TS</a>]
00:40:08 ◼ ► usually the hard way to protect against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2408">TS</a>]
00:40:10 ◼ ► myself and this is the same thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2410">TS</a>]
00:40:11 ◼ ► guys are saying earlier and so as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2411">TS</a>]
00:40:13 ◼ ► get older you you go even further than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2413">TS</a>]
00:40:17 ◼ ► you think necessary to prevent yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2417">TS</a>]
00:40:22 ◼ ► at least that's the way I am and i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2422">TS</a>]
00:40:25 ◼ ► it seems the responsible thing to do app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2425">TS</a>]
00:40:29 ◼ ► store or not to sandbox your app if at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2429">TS</a>]
00:40:32 ◼ ► all possible and yes sometimes it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2432">TS</a>]
00:40:34 ◼ ► friggin nightmare i am quite sure but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2434">TS</a>]
00:40:36 ◼ ► it's the responsible thing to do and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2436">TS</a>]
00:40:38 ◼ ► its really unfortunate that adobe didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2438">TS</a>]
00:40:41 ◼ ► and hasn't done that yet our second spot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2441">TS</a>]
00:40:44 ◼ ► to this week is a responsible company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2444">TS</a>]
00:40:46 ◼ ► its hover hover is the best way to buy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2446">TS</a>]
00:40:49 ◼ ► managed domain names go to hover com use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2449">TS</a>]
00:40:51 ◼ ► promo code bridges to burn Casey for ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2451">TS</a>]
00:40:54 ◼ ► percent off your first purchase when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2454">TS</a>]
00:40:57 ◼ ► have a great idea you want a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2457">TS</a>]
00:40:58 ◼ ► domain name that's catchy and memorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2458">TS</a>]
00:40:59 ◼ ► however give you exactly what you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2459">TS</a>]
00:41:01 ◼ ► to find the perfect domain name for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2461">TS</a>]
00:41:02 ◼ ► idea so you can get started actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2462">TS</a>]
00:41:04 ◼ ► working on it never gives you easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2464">TS</a>]
00:41:06 ◼ ► use powerful tools to buy and manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2466">TS</a>]
00:41:08 ◼ ► domains anybody can do it and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2468">TS</a>]
00:41:10 ◼ ► ever need any help they have amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2470">TS</a>]
00:41:12 ◼ ► support and all you have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2472">TS</a>]
00:41:13 ◼ ► regular email like everybody else but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2473">TS</a>]
00:41:15 ◼ ► they have no wait no hold no transfer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2475">TS</a>]
00:41:18 ◼ ► phone support so when you call a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2478">TS</a>]
00:41:20 ◼ ► live human being is ready to help they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2480">TS</a>]
00:41:22 ◼ ► just pick up the phone there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2482">TS</a>]
00:41:23 ◼ ► weights no holds and no transfers now in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2483">TS</a>]
00:41:27 ◼ ► find domain you can get it up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2487">TS</a>]
00:41:28 ◼ ► running and hover all you gotta do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2488">TS</a>]
00:41:30 ◼ ► search for a few keywords and they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2490">TS</a>]
00:41:31 ◼ ► show you what is available from all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2491">TS</a>]
00:41:34 ◼ ► crazy TLD that are out there and believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2494">TS</a>]
00:41:35 ◼ ► me there are some crazy ones out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2495">TS</a>]
00:41:37 ◼ ► these days if you register domain name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2497">TS</a>]
00:41:39 ◼ ► anywhere else you probably didn't enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2499">TS</a>]
00:41:41 ◼ ► the experience very much because domain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2501">TS</a>]
00:41:43 ◼ ► name registration is notorious for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2503">TS</a>]
00:41:45 ◼ ► just very confusing on these very hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2505">TS</a>]
00:41:47 ◼ ► to use sites often times you feel kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2507">TS</a>]
00:41:49 ◼ ► of cheated her or railroaded into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2509">TS</a>]
00:41:51 ◼ ► getting about to add ons that you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2511">TS</a>]
00:41:52 ◼ ► really necessarily need or you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2512">TS</a>]
00:41:55 ◼ ► however is not like that at all however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2515">TS</a>]
00:41:57 ◼ ► respect you get respect the user they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2517">TS</a>]
00:41:59 ◼ ► have a nice clean design everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2519">TS</a>]
00:42:02 ◼ ► fast and responsive on their site and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2522">TS</a>]
00:42:04 ◼ ► buying things could not be easier they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2524">TS</a>]
00:42:07 ◼ ► don't try to upsell you with crazy stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2527">TS</a>]
00:42:09 ◼ ► or so you anything you don't need they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2529">TS</a>]
00:42:11 ◼ ► even include a bunch of stuff for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2531">TS</a>]
00:42:13 ◼ ► however also has email solutions twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2533">TS</a>]
00:42:16 ◼ ► bucks a year to a fully functional email [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2536">TS</a>]
00:42:17 ◼ ► account with 10 gigs of storage 29 bucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2537">TS</a>]
00:42:20 ◼ ► a year into the big mailbox which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2540">TS</a>]
00:42:23 ◼ ► check it out today hovered calm and use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2543">TS</a>]
00:42:26 ◼ ► promo code bridges to burn for ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2546">TS</a>]
00:42:30 ◼ ► thank you very much to her alright so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2550">TS</a>]
00:42:32 ◼ ► there was a very interesting episode of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2552">TS</a>]
00:42:36 ◼ ► the talk show this past week Tom DQ and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2556">TS</a>]
00:42:39 ◼ ► Craig federighi were on the talk show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2559">TS</a>]
00:42:41 ◼ ► and this is the third incarnation of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2561">TS</a>]
00:42:45 ◼ ► apple executive on the talk shows that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2565">TS</a>]
00:42:46 ◼ ► correct yeah a factory second appearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2566">TS</a>]
00:42:48 ◼ ► either he's already had two groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2568">TS</a>]
00:42:50 ◼ ► already getting multiple appearances of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2570">TS</a>]
00:42:52 ◼ ► apple executives shows you see the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2572">TS</a>]
00:42:54 ◼ ► malts and you never know when he can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2574">TS</a>]
00:42:56 ◼ ► get anybody else he calls a seafood and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2576">TS</a>]
00:43:02 ◼ ► so anyway so they got on the talk shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2582">TS</a>]
00:43:06 ◼ ► a great episode which is unsurprising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2586">TS</a>]
00:43:11 ◼ ► yeah that's my first question is why are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2591">TS</a>]
00:43:14 ◼ ► because the out as we made a joke that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2594">TS</a>]
00:43:16 ◼ ► group called them up and bring them on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2596">TS</a>]
00:43:18 ◼ ► sometimes that happens like I don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2598">TS</a>]
00:43:19 ◼ ► know it i don't i'm not privy to any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2599">TS</a>]
00:43:20 ◼ ► inside information about who calls who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2600">TS</a>]
00:43:22 ◼ ► but the question is it regardless of who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2602">TS</a>]
00:43:25 ◼ ► asked you to be on when why it do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2605">TS</a>]
00:43:28 ◼ ► why does Applewhite apple executives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2608">TS</a>]
00:43:30 ◼ ► agree to come on a podcast at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2610">TS</a>]
00:43:33 ◼ ► particular time when Craig federighi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2613">TS</a>]
00:43:35 ◼ ► came on episode that I was actually on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2615">TS</a>]
00:43:41 ◼ ► clearly he was there to talk about Swift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2621">TS</a>]
00:43:43 ◼ ► open source projects because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2623">TS</a>]
00:43:44 ◼ ► that's what it came on the show to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2624">TS</a>]
00:43:45 ◼ ► that's what he talked about that it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2625">TS</a>]
00:43:47 ◼ ► happened right when swift one open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2627">TS</a>]
00:43:49 ◼ ► source we talked about in the show they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2629">TS</a>]
00:43:50 ◼ ► talked about on the talk show and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2630">TS</a>]
00:43:52 ◼ ► that was clear and in this case there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2632">TS</a>]
00:43:54 ◼ ► no as far as I'm aware there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2634">TS</a>]
00:43:56 ◼ ► really any big apple announcement I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2636">TS</a>]
00:43:58 ◼ ► I guess there's a 9.3 beta but that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2638">TS</a>]
00:44:00 ◼ ► not particularly fresh news and so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2640">TS</a>]
00:44:03 ◼ ► is my assumption going in when I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2643">TS</a>]
00:44:05 ◼ ► these were the guests was that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2645">TS</a>]
00:44:07 ◼ ► Walt Mossberg article because that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2647">TS</a>]
00:44:10 ◼ ► guess big news but I mean that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2650">TS</a>]
00:44:13 ◼ ► real question is not why is Apple having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2653">TS</a>]
00:44:16 ◼ ► a executives like you know talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2656">TS</a>]
00:44:20 ◼ ► open-sourcing or go on podcast and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2660">TS</a>]
00:44:21 ◼ ► like that because that's all about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2661">TS</a>]
00:44:22 ◼ ► whole new open apple thing but it still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2662">TS</a>]
00:44:24 ◼ ► seems like there has to be a reason and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2664">TS</a>]
00:44:28 ◼ ► it's still not entirely clear to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2668">TS</a>]
00:44:31 ◼ ► what what they were there to do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2671">TS</a>]
00:44:35 ◼ ► when you know when the celebrities on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2675">TS</a>]
00:44:37 ◼ ► talk show on television talk show the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2677">TS</a>]
00:44:38 ◼ ► better about the movie that's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2678">TS</a>]
00:44:39 ◼ ► opening this weekend that they're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2679">TS</a>]
00:44:41 ◼ ► right or whatever you know and the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2681">TS</a>]
00:44:42 ◼ ► thing with a swift open-source like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2682">TS</a>]
00:44:43 ◼ ► you're there to promote something your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2683">TS</a>]
00:44:44 ◼ ► company's doing and then at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2684">TS</a>]
00:44:45 ◼ ► time you know a good host of course as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2685">TS</a>]
00:44:47 ◼ ► some other questions as well but i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2687">TS</a>]
00:44:49 ◼ ► assuming even after listening to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2689">TS</a>]
00:44:51 ◼ ► episode that probably the reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2691">TS</a>]
00:44:53 ◼ ► were there was to talk about the walt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2693">TS</a>]
00:44:55 ◼ ► mossberg article but i'm not entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2695">TS</a>]
00:44:56 ◼ ► sure what was your sense from listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2696">TS</a>]
00:44:58 ◼ ► the episode that basically that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2698">TS</a>]
00:45:01 ◼ ► thing I mean it was you know III also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2701">TS</a>]
00:45:03 ◼ ► assumed that there be more kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2703">TS</a>]
00:45:05 ◼ ► direct addressing of that but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2705">TS</a>]
00:45:08 ◼ ► you have like I mean as we know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2708">TS</a>]
00:45:10 ◼ ► three people talking and you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2710">TS</a>]
00:45:13 ◼ ► only a 45-minute interview you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2713">TS</a>]
00:45:15 ◼ ► you brought the formalities like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2715">TS</a>]
00:45:17 ◼ ► not a whole lot of time for like actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2717">TS</a>]
00:45:18 ◼ ► in-depth discussion when you have three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2718">TS</a>]
00:45:20 ◼ ► people who want to talk as we know is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2720">TS</a>]
00:45:22 ◼ ► that's why our show is never 45 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2722">TS</a>]
00:45:24 ◼ ► you're lucky to have us one segment be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2724">TS</a>]
00:45:27 ◼ ► 45 minutes on one topic that's show's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2727">TS</a>]
00:45:30 ◼ ► yes let's get started and so you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2730">TS</a>]
00:45:35 ◼ ► think a lot of just time but but i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2735">TS</a>]
00:45:36 ◼ ► think you know this is Apple PR were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2736">TS</a>]
00:45:39 ◼ ► executives coming on a talk show with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2739">TS</a>]
00:45:41 ◼ ► our friend John and you know in a kind a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2741">TS</a>]
00:45:43 ◼ ► more casual environment this is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2743">TS</a>]
00:45:45 ◼ ► high power executives from the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2745">TS</a>]
00:45:48 ◼ ► technology company in the universe etc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2748">TS</a>]
00:45:50 ◼ ► with very strong PR strategy and NPR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2750">TS</a>]
00:45:55 ◼ ► control you know like these are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2755">TS</a>]
00:45:57 ◼ ► who are going to go off just off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2757">TS</a>]
00:45:58 ◼ ► deep end like have a couple doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2758">TS</a>]
00:46:00 ◼ ► something on the show and tell us all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2760">TS</a>]
00:46:01 ◼ ► the secrets like that's not that is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2761">TS</a>]
00:46:02 ◼ ► this is you know this is in part it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2762">TS</a>]
00:46:05 ◼ ► probably to help humanize that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2765">TS</a>]
00:46:07 ◼ ► people at this company not just robots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2767">TS</a>]
00:46:09 ◼ ► in a brick wall like it's actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2769">TS</a>]
00:46:12 ◼ ► it's to humanize them and also i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2772">TS</a>]
00:46:15 ◼ ► it was really about this discussion of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2775">TS</a>]
00:46:17 ◼ ► of software and service quality it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2777">TS</a>]
00:46:21 ◼ ► obvious that they were prepared with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2781">TS</a>]
00:46:24 ◼ ► stats and and you know various like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2784">TS</a>]
00:46:26 ◼ ► author authorized figures they were able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2786">TS</a>]
00:46:28 ◼ ► to give out about how well they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2788">TS</a>]
00:46:29 ◼ ► how well their quality is going the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2789">TS</a>]
00:46:32 ◼ ► crash rates that number of Apple music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2792">TS</a>]
00:46:34 ◼ ► subscribers how well the websites and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2794">TS</a>]
00:46:36 ◼ ► the web services hold up under all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2796">TS</a>]
00:46:38 ◼ ► loads know they were very clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2798">TS</a>]
00:46:40 ◼ ► prepared with like PR proved stats they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2800">TS</a>]
00:46:44 ◼ ► could share to demonstrate that we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2804">TS</a>]
00:46:47 ◼ ► really have these big quality problems / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2807">TS</a>]
00:46:49 ◼ ► we have good reasons to have quality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2809">TS</a>]
00:46:51 ◼ ► problems like it was kind of like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2811">TS</a>]
00:46:52 ◼ ► slightly defensive but not like in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2812">TS</a>]
00:46:56 ◼ ► a really aggressive way and it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2816">TS</a>]
00:46:59 ◼ ► was basically it see it read to me or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2819">TS</a>]
00:47:03 ◼ ► listen to me and it has to be it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2823">TS</a>]
00:47:07 ◼ ► listened a little defensive use red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2827">TS</a>]
00:47:09 ◼ ► looking up its electric definition I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2829">TS</a>]
00:47:10 ◼ ► know but yeah it it seemed slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2830">TS</a>]
00:47:14 ◼ ► defensive but mostly just like almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2834">TS</a>]
00:47:17 ◼ ► almost in denial that there are any real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2837">TS</a>]
00:47:21 ◼ ► like you know downward slopes going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2841">TS</a>]
00:47:23 ◼ ► here and and that might be true from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2843">TS</a>]
00:47:26 ◼ ► lot of things they talked about i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2846">TS</a>]
00:47:27 ◼ ► their web services are at ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2847">TS</a>]
00:47:30 ◼ ► scale and and they are mostly working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2850">TS</a>]
00:47:32 ◼ ► most of the time and they do have tons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2852">TS</a>]
00:47:35 ◼ ► of people using it but the the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2855">TS</a>]
00:47:39 ◼ ► besides I wish it could be longer but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2859">TS</a>]
00:47:41 ◼ ► understand why i probably couldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2861">TS</a>]
00:47:42 ◼ ► seen I don't think you can get to high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2862">TS</a>]
00:47:45 ◼ ► power apple executives to give you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2865">TS</a>]
00:47:47 ◼ ► three hours of rest as much as we would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2867">TS</a>]
00:47:50 ◼ ► like them to but but you know i might my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2870">TS</a>]
00:47:53 ◼ ► main it picks with it were basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2873">TS</a>]
00:47:55 ◼ ► that there really wasn't enough time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2875">TS</a>]
00:47:58 ◼ ► to kind of fight back a little bit order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2878">TS</a>]
00:48:01 ◼ ► to ask a lot of the things a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2881">TS</a>]
00:48:03 ◼ ► their defenses were using excuses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2883">TS</a>]
00:48:06 ◼ ► they're totally within apples control to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2886">TS</a>]
00:48:08 ◼ ► change so for instance that the biggest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2888">TS</a>]
00:48:10 ◼ ► one stuck out to me was when Craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2890">TS</a>]
00:48:16 ◼ ► overall I thought both Craig and Randy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2896">TS</a>]
00:48:17 ◼ ► came off very well but but Craig it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2897">TS</a>]
00:48:20 ◼ ► during during one party was saying how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2900">TS</a>]
00:48:23 ◼ ► like people like snow leopard back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2903">TS</a>]
00:48:25 ◼ ► the day but nobody ever really installed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2905">TS</a>]
00:48:26 ◼ ► snow leopard you know 10.6 points 0 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2906">TS</a>]
00:48:30 ◼ ► most of the time people are spending on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2910">TS</a>]
00:48:34 ◼ ► etc and so he's basically saying like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2914">TS</a>]
00:48:36 ◼ ► you know back then they had way fewer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2916">TS</a>]
00:48:38 ◼ ► total users and also people wait longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2918">TS</a>]
00:48:40 ◼ ► before upgrade to the newest stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2920">TS</a>]
00:48:43 ◼ ► well very heavily promoted very heavily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2923">TS</a>]
00:48:46 ◼ ► pushed off an automatic software updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2926">TS</a>]
00:48:48 ◼ ► are with an apple control Apple has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2928">TS</a>]
00:48:51 ◼ ► themselves very aggressively pushed OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2931">TS</a>]
00:48:53 ◼ ► updates every release since then and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2933">TS</a>]
00:48:56 ◼ ► they use these to even be paid that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2936">TS</a>]
00:48:58 ◼ ► I think the first one that was thirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2938">TS</a>]
00:49:00 ◼ ► bucks something like that the name of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2940">TS</a>]
00:49:02 ◼ ► that I've been free after that but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2942">TS</a>]
00:49:03 ◼ ► so back then they were paid and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2943">TS</a>]
00:49:07 ◼ ► critically didn't come out every year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2947">TS</a>]
00:49:09 ◼ ► you know back then did the release cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2949">TS</a>]
00:49:12 ◼ ► is more like every two years and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2952">TS</a>]
00:49:14 ◼ ► know the exact target exactly average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2954">TS</a>]
00:49:15 ◼ ► you to write reviews of outlook but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2955">TS</a>]
00:49:18 ◼ ► know it you know back then we we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2958">TS</a>]
00:49:20 ◼ ► these longer cycles and of course you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2960">TS</a>]
00:49:23 ◼ ► know the product for simpler because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2963">TS</a>]
00:49:24 ◼ ► they were doing less and there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2964">TS</a>]
00:49:26 ◼ ► valid point to be made that we now live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2966">TS</a>]
00:49:28 ◼ ► in a way more complicated computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2968">TS</a>]
00:49:30 ◼ ► environment we have so many more devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2970">TS</a>]
00:49:32 ◼ ► that are doing so many more things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2972">TS</a>]
00:49:33 ◼ ► interact with so many more services but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2973">TS</a>]
00:49:35 ◼ ► then the argument that that Apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2975">TS</a>]
00:49:38 ◼ ► somehow or rather the argument that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2978">TS</a>]
00:49:40 ◼ ► can excuse more flaws today because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2980">TS</a>]
00:49:44 ◼ ► everyone upgrades really fast the latest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2984">TS</a>]
00:49:45 ◼ ► OS today I don't think is a valid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2985">TS</a>]
00:49:47 ◼ ► defense because Apple is the one pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2987">TS</a>]
00:49:50 ◼ ► the updates that frequently and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2990">TS</a>]
00:49:52 ◼ ► apple is the one who nowadays the OS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2992">TS</a>]
00:49:55 ◼ ► never even get to like a point five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2995">TS</a>]
00:49:58 ◼ ► point sexually anymore like the u.s. is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/2998">TS</a>]
00:50:00 ◼ ► now they're changed every year with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3000">TS</a>]
00:50:03 ◼ ► major releases and major releases kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3003">TS</a>]
00:50:05 ◼ ► of allowed to be a little bit less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3005">TS</a>]
00:50:06 ◼ ► stable and so you now it feels like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3006">TS</a>]
00:50:09 ◼ ► are not reaching the states that we used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3009">TS</a>]
00:50:10 ◼ ► to reach for half the release cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3010">TS</a>]
00:50:12 ◼ ► where things were pretty stable and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3012">TS</a>]
00:50:14 ◼ ► can update from like you know leopard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3014">TS</a>]
00:50:16 ◼ ► 10.6 point for and be relatively sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3016">TS</a>]
00:50:20 ◼ ► that all they worked it all out by now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3020">TS</a>]
00:50:21 ◼ ► now it seems like they don't have time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3021">TS</a>]
00:50:23 ◼ ► to work it all out anymore and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3023">TS</a>]
00:50:25 ◼ ► entirely an apple created construct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3025">TS</a>]
00:50:28 ◼ ► apple has created these conditions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3028">TS</a>]
00:50:30 ◼ ► apples the one pushing these conditions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3030">TS</a>]
00:50:31 ◼ ► at it's totally within apples control to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3031">TS</a>]
00:50:33 ◼ ► not heavily push the updates when it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3033">TS</a>]
00:50:36 ◼ ► still 2.02 not do updates every year if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3036">TS</a>]
00:50:40 ◼ ► they don't want to for something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3040">TS</a>]
00:50:41 ◼ ► the mac which is not hiding high-profile [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3041">TS</a>]
00:50:43 ◼ ► this is totally with annapolis control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3043">TS</a>]
00:50:47 ◼ ► you make better to improve and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3047">TS</a>]
00:50:51 ◼ ► is not about defense before I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3051">TS</a>]
00:50:53 ◼ ► pick up some of the things they said as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3053">TS</a>]
00:50:54 ◼ ► well and and the format but i also want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3054">TS</a>]
00:50:56 ◼ ► to hear but I'm going somewhere with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3056">TS</a>]
00:50:58 ◼ ► this why were they on the show thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3058">TS</a>]
00:51:00 ◼ ► I'm here Casey has the same impression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3060">TS</a>]
00:51:02 ◼ ► that they were on to talk about software [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3062">TS</a>]
00:51:03 ◼ ► quality or if you thought they were on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3063">TS</a>]
00:51:05 ◼ ► for some other reason or if they're on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3065">TS</a>]
00:51:07 ◼ ► for no reason i think most simply it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3067">TS</a>]
00:51:10 ◼ ► about software quality but I agreed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3070">TS</a>]
00:51:13 ◼ ► it was a more meandering less focused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3073">TS</a>]
00:51:17 ◼ ► appearance then I would have expected if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3077">TS</a>]
00:51:19 ◼ ► they were if they were doing damage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3079">TS</a>]
00:51:21 ◼ ► control and i'm not sure if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3081">TS</a>]
00:51:23 ◼ ► deliberate if this meandering and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3083">TS</a>]
00:51:26 ◼ ► kind of casual conversation was was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3086">TS</a>]
00:51:29 ◼ ► lead us to believe that it wasn't damage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3089">TS</a>]
00:51:31 ◼ ► control that it was just because and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3091">TS</a>]
00:51:34 ◼ ► they just felt like talking to Gruber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3094">TS</a>]
00:51:35 ◼ ► but i would say that worry not for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3095">TS</a>]
00:51:39 ◼ ► Walt's article and clearly this podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3099">TS</a>]
00:51:41 ◼ ► and I don't think that uh I don't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3101">TS</a>]
00:51:44 ◼ ► why they would have felt the need to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3104">TS</a>]
00:51:46 ◼ ► on John show and i don't mean that as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3106">TS</a>]
00:51:47 ◼ ► slight 22 gruber at all i just it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3107">TS</a>]
00:51:51 ◼ ► not a normal thing for one let alone two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3111">TS</a>]
00:51:55 ◼ ► executives to just decide to go on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3115">TS</a>]
00:51:57 ◼ ► podcast so i think it was about damage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3117">TS</a>]
00:51:59 ◼ ► control but I think whether or not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3119">TS</a>]
00:52:03 ◼ ► it was loose enough to so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3123">TS</a>]
00:52:06 ◼ ► couldn't say it was explicitly about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3126">TS</a>]
00:52:08 ◼ ► damage control it and I'm leading up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3128">TS</a>]
00:52:11 ◼ ► Marco's points here so bear with me bite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3131">TS</a>]
00:52:12 ◼ ► by related question this is what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3132">TS</a>]
00:52:16 ◼ ► job of insert whatever Craig's title [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3136">TS</a>]
00:52:19 ◼ ► insurance or whatever his title is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3139">TS</a>]
00:52:21 ◼ ► senior vice-president software whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3141">TS</a>]
00:52:23 ◼ ► like what is their job what if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3143">TS</a>]
00:52:25 ◼ ► to look at the job description if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3145">TS</a>]
00:52:26 ◼ ► were hiring a new one if you know with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3146">TS</a>]
00:52:28 ◼ ► Greg retires and they want to hire a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3148">TS</a>]
00:52:29 ◼ ► replacement they don't want to promote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3149">TS</a>]
00:52:31 ◼ ► from within whatever like what what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3151">TS</a>]
00:52:33 ◼ ► the job description of those executives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3153">TS</a>]
00:52:35 ◼ ► and i can tell you in the Steve Jobs era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3155">TS</a>]
00:52:37 ◼ ► the job description for all those super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3157">TS</a>]
00:52:39 ◼ ► important guys you know head of all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3159">TS</a>]
00:52:42 ◼ ► OS 10 you know Bergeron survey or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3162">TS</a>]
00:52:43 ◼ ► whatever or like get a spearhead of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3163">TS</a>]
00:52:46 ◼ ► iOS team or whatever that nowhere in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3166">TS</a>]
00:52:51 ◼ ► mouthpiece for Apple I talked to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3171">TS</a>]
00:52:54 ◼ ► public in a way that moves public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3174">TS</a>]
00:52:58 ◼ ► opinion in the direction that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3178">TS</a>]
00:53:01 ◼ ► absolutely not in any of their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3181">TS</a>]
00:53:03 ◼ ► descriptions because they never talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3183">TS</a>]
00:53:04 ◼ ► the press they weren't allowed to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3184">TS</a>]
00:53:07 ◼ ► developers like that there was not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3187">TS</a>]
00:53:10 ◼ ► the end it's different than many other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3190">TS</a>]
00:53:12 ◼ ► companies lots of other companies you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3192">TS</a>]
00:53:13 ◼ ► could say oh well once you reach a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3193">TS</a>]
00:53:15 ◼ ► certain level on the executive latter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3195">TS</a>]
00:53:17 ◼ ► part of your job is to talk to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3197">TS</a>]
00:53:19 ◼ ► public in some way right now mediated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3199">TS</a>]
00:53:21 ◼ ► the PR department so on and so forth but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3201">TS</a>]
00:53:23 ◼ ► that because you become a public figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3203">TS</a>]
00:53:25 ◼ ► that occasionally says things with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3205">TS</a>]
00:53:28 ◼ ► blessing of the cooperation in an effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3208">TS</a>]
00:53:31 ◼ ► to to change public opinion or to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3211">TS</a>]
00:53:36 ◼ ► your message out there or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3216">TS</a>]
00:53:37 ◼ ► there's not a lot of those people like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3217">TS</a>]
00:53:38 ◼ ► everybody in the company is the voice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3218">TS</a>]
00:53:40 ◼ ► the company but now in the post jobs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3220">TS</a>]
00:53:43 ◼ ► in the more open apple which we all like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3223">TS</a>]
00:53:45 ◼ ► clearly some of these people at a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3225">TS</a>]
00:53:51 ◼ ► essentially or eat asking themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3231">TS</a>]
00:53:53 ◼ ► motivating whatever but they are being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3233">TS</a>]
00:53:55 ◼ ► allowed that the company Apple is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3235">TS</a>]
00:53:57 ◼ ► as a company has decided we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3237">TS</a>]
00:54:00 ◼ ► send Craig federighi to 17 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3240">TS</a>]
00:54:02 ◼ ► websites and the talkshow to tell them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3242">TS</a>]
00:54:04 ◼ ► about the Swift open source project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3244">TS</a>]
00:54:06 ◼ ► we're not just gonna have a press [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3246">TS</a>]
00:54:08 ◼ ► we're not just going to have someone say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3248">TS</a>]
00:54:09 ◼ ► something in the keynote we're not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3249">TS</a>]
00:54:11 ◼ ► going to issue official statements to PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3251">TS</a>]
00:54:13 ◼ ► channels we're going to send this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3253">TS</a>]
00:54:16 ◼ ► whose job up to this point did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3256">TS</a>]
00:54:20 ◼ ► statements about things he's going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3260">TS</a>]
00:54:22 ◼ ► out there and promote the Swift open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3262">TS</a>]
00:54:24 ◼ ► source project and try to hit the points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3264">TS</a>]
00:54:26 ◼ ► that we've all agreed that are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3266">TS</a>]
00:54:28 ◼ ► bullet points and like marcasite little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3268">TS</a>]
00:54:29 ◼ ► sheet of whatever stats you want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3269">TS</a>]
00:54:30 ◼ ► whatever facts you want to get out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3270">TS</a>]
00:54:32 ◼ ► like basically doing the job of PR but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3272">TS</a>]
00:54:35 ◼ ► now there's a human doing and so now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3275">TS</a>]
00:54:37 ◼ ► have these two guys at Eddie and Craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3277">TS</a>]
00:54:44 ◼ ► unfiltered it's not real time it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3284">TS</a>]
00:54:46 ◼ ► live but it's very you know just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3286">TS</a>]
00:54:49 ◼ ► like we're gonna talk and we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3289">TS</a>]
00:54:51 ◼ ► discuss things and the reason i asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3291">TS</a>]
00:54:54 ◼ ► about this is as in what the job is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3294">TS</a>]
00:54:57 ◼ ► that scale being able to being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3297">TS</a>]
00:55:01 ◼ ► go somewhere in an atmosphere like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3301">TS</a>]
00:55:04 ◼ ► and hit the points that you want to hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3304">TS</a>]
00:55:05 ◼ ► and not sound defensive and move public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3305">TS</a>]
00:55:09 ◼ ► opinion and not saying it not make any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3309">TS</a>]
00:55:14 ◼ ► thing to do not that I'm saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3314">TS</a>]
00:55:16 ◼ ► don't remember bad if they're much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3316">TS</a>]
00:55:17 ◼ ► better than you know I would ever be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3317">TS</a>]
00:55:18 ◼ ► like they're very skilled at their jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3318">TS</a>]
00:55:20 ◼ ► but the job starting is not included [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3320">TS</a>]
00:55:21 ◼ ► this and when i listen to that episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3321">TS</a>]
00:55:24 ◼ ► I'm thinking some of these things as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3324">TS</a>]
00:55:26 ◼ ► market one that were clearly written now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3326">TS</a>]
00:55:27 ◼ ► like that you know that these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3327">TS</a>]
00:55:29 ◼ ► points that we're going to hit about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3329">TS</a>]
00:55:30 ◼ ► reliability and blah blah you you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3330">TS</a>]
00:55:33 ◼ ► might think that Apple is like Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3333">TS</a>]
00:55:35 ◼ ► knows all and controls also every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3335">TS</a>]
00:55:37 ◼ ► thing that was said of that program was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3337">TS</a>]
00:55:38 ◼ ► clearly playing at a time when Eddy Cue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3338">TS</a>]
00:55:40 ◼ ► said that there's going to be a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3340">TS</a>]
00:55:41 ◼ ► version of the apple TV remote app for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3341">TS</a>]
00:55:45 ◼ ► functionality the remote then you'll be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3345">TS</a>]
00:55:48 ◼ ► information was already out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3348">TS</a>]
00:55:49 ◼ ► grouper just didn't have to know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3349">TS</a>]
00:55:50 ◼ ► it or was intentionally broken on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3350">TS</a>]
00:55:52 ◼ ► talk show that they said you're allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3352">TS</a>]
00:55:54 ◼ ► to discuss this but I think there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3354">TS</a>]
00:55:56 ◼ ► a possibility that Eddy Cue had just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3356">TS</a>]
00:56:00 ◼ ► Republican which things from Todd and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3360">TS</a>]
00:56:02 ◼ ► head accidentally officially confirmed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3362">TS</a>]
00:56:04 ◼ ► the updated version of the apple remote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3364">TS</a>]
00:56:07 ◼ ► application maybe every developer nah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3367">TS</a>]
00:56:08 ◼ ► man I don't keep up guys it's not a it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3368">TS</a>]
00:56:12 ◼ ► all right well anyway that type of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3372">TS</a>]
00:56:14 ◼ ► where is our are all apple executives so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3374">TS</a>]
00:56:20 ◼ ► well-trained PR despite having never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3380">TS</a>]
00:56:22 ◼ ► done it as part of their job description [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3382">TS</a>]
00:56:23 ◼ ► that it is impossible for them to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3383">TS</a>]
00:56:25 ◼ ► mistake and i think it is possible for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3385">TS</a>]
00:56:28 ◼ ► them to make a mistake and I think every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3388">TS</a>]
00:56:30 ◼ ► time the apple executives go into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3390">TS</a>]
00:56:32 ◼ ► atmosphere like this it is a risk from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3392">TS</a>]
00:56:34 ◼ ► the old world perspective of apple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3394">TS</a>]
00:56:36 ◼ ► like but what if they accidentally say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3396">TS</a>]
00:56:38 ◼ ► something I'm not supposed to say I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3398">TS</a>]
00:56:39 ◼ ► again PR person is probably involved the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3399">TS</a>]
00:56:41 ◼ ► show could be edited it's not live so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3401">TS</a>]
00:56:42 ◼ ► and so far it's not that big of a risk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3402">TS</a>]
00:56:44 ◼ ► but it is entirely different like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3404">TS</a>]
00:56:47 ◼ ► was in these jobs will be like I've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3407">TS</a>]
00:56:49 ◼ ► working here for X number of years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3409">TS</a>]
00:56:50 ◼ ► never had to do this is part of my job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3410">TS</a>]
00:56:53 ◼ ► high-pressure situation where you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3413">TS</a>]
00:56:55 ◼ ► like you are supposed to speak for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3415">TS</a>]
00:56:58 ◼ ► don't make any mistakes and by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3418">TS</a>]
00:56:59 ◼ ► this is part of your job now and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3419">TS</a>]
00:57:01 ◼ ► time something goes wrong we send you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3421">TS</a>]
00:57:04 ◼ ► technically don't say anything they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3424">TS</a>]
00:57:06 ◼ ► not supposed to say or whatever as Mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3426">TS</a>]
00:57:08 ◼ ► pointed out it doesn't mean that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3428">TS</a>]
00:57:10 ◼ ► are going to be able to present the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3430">TS</a>]
00:57:11 ◼ ► information in a way that moves public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3431">TS</a>]
00:57:13 ◼ ► opinion in the direction that they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3433">TS</a>]
00:57:15 ◼ ► so for example if they sound very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3435">TS</a>]
00:57:17 ◼ ► defensive and don't give convincing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3437">TS</a>]
00:57:18 ◼ ► reasons that make things worse instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3438">TS</a>]
00:57:21 ◼ ► of better reinforcing our worst notions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3441">TS</a>]
00:57:23 ◼ ► or whatever about what was going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3443">TS</a>]
00:57:27 ◼ ► uh or if they pointed they don't address [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3447">TS</a>]
00:57:29 ◼ ► particular point to say i had been an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3449">TS</a>]
00:57:31 ◼ ► aggressive interview and they were being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3451">TS</a>]
00:57:32 ◼ ► pressed they could have looked better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3452">TS</a>]
00:57:33 ◼ ► you know what I like that there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3453">TS</a>]
00:57:35 ◼ ► many dangers and just it's weird for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3455">TS</a>]
00:57:37 ◼ ► to think about its reform you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3457">TS</a>]
00:57:39 ◼ ► about this ever being part of the job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3459">TS</a>]
00:57:41 ◼ ► someone who started their career as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3461">TS</a>]
00:57:42 ◼ ► programmer and it was a very technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3462">TS</a>]
00:57:43 ◼ ► person and is now asked to do this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3463">TS</a>]
00:57:47 ◼ ► yeah i mean and i think a part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3467">TS</a>]
00:57:49 ◼ ► part of the risk evaluation here is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3469">TS</a>]
00:57:52 ◼ ► they they aren't sending pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3472">TS</a>]
00:57:54 ◼ ► anybody ever and if they do somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3474">TS</a>]
00:57:56 ◼ ► it's like Tim Cook to general purpose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3476">TS</a>]
00:57:59 ◼ ► interviewers out in like the the regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3479">TS</a>]
00:58:02 ◼ ► media you know they're sending these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3482">TS</a>]
00:58:04 ◼ ► people to john cooper they know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3484">TS</a>]
00:58:06 ◼ ► he's like a respectable guy who gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3486">TS</a>]
00:58:10 ◼ ► relationship with apple like that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3490">TS</a>]
00:58:12 ◼ ► not an accident that they're giving him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3492">TS</a>]
00:58:14 ◼ ► the dis access that nobody else really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3494">TS</a>]
00:58:17 ◼ ► gets or the very few people get because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3497">TS</a>]
00:58:19 ◼ ► they know that he's not gonna like be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3499">TS</a>]
00:58:21 ◼ ► all like sensational on them and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3501">TS</a>]
00:58:23 ◼ ► super aggressive her or just spend the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3503">TS</a>]
00:58:25 ◼ ► whole 45 minutes asking like about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3505">TS</a>]
00:58:27 ◼ ► future iphone which they which they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3507">TS</a>]
00:58:29 ◼ ► never talk about like you know certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3509">TS</a>]
00:58:32 ◼ ► unscrew these mostly unscripted I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3512">TS</a>]
00:58:34 ◼ ► even like you know when he had filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3514">TS</a>]
00:58:35 ◼ ► the BBC like that was even more because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3515">TS</a>]
00:58:37 ◼ ► that was like that was live in front of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3517">TS</a>]
00:58:39 ◼ ► a few hundred people and broadcast the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3519">TS</a>]
00:58:41 ◼ ► internet to a few more than 3,000 more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3521">TS</a>]
00:58:42 ◼ ► least you know so he is I feel like Phil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3522">TS</a>]
00:58:45 ◼ ► I got that it's always so he's been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3525">TS</a>]
00:58:46 ◼ ► marketing so like I think that has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3526">TS</a>]
00:58:48 ◼ ► part of his job description even he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3528">TS</a>]
00:58:51 ◼ ► essentially was telling people what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3531">TS</a>]
00:58:53 ◼ ► say on behalf of the company as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3533">TS</a>]
00:58:55 ◼ ► his role as the chief of marketing so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3535">TS</a>]
00:58:57 ◼ ► yeah you're right is much harder like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3537">TS</a>]
00:58:59 ◼ ► front of a live audience where you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3539">TS</a>]
00:59:02 ◼ ► take back anything there's no editing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3542">TS</a>]
00:59:03 ◼ ► anything like that but Phil I I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3543">TS</a>]
00:59:05 ◼ ► like it's an old hand at this and has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3545">TS</a>]
00:59:07 ◼ ► problem whereas particularly Craig [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3547">TS</a>]
00:59:09 ◼ ► always strikes me as a technical person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3549">TS</a>]
00:59:11 ◼ ► who has had this role thrust upon him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3551">TS</a>]
00:59:14 ◼ ► he's been thrust onto the stage keynotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3554">TS</a>]
00:59:16 ◼ ► and he's gotten really good at that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3556">TS</a>]
00:59:18 ◼ ► now he's just going off the cuff and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3558">TS</a>]
00:59:20 ◼ ► know kind of the same thing with Eddie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3560">TS</a>]
00:59:21 ◼ ► where you didn't see a lot of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3561">TS</a>]
00:59:23 ◼ ► onstage until recent years right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3563">TS</a>]
00:59:25 ◼ ► maybe that's just part of his ascent in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3565">TS</a>]
00:59:27 ◼ ► the organization but having that be part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3567">TS</a>]
00:59:29 ◼ ► of your job and like and I'm saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3569">TS</a>]
00:59:31 ◼ ► not as if I think like it's a bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3571">TS</a>]
00:59:33 ◼ ► that like oh this is like a danger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3573">TS</a>]
00:59:37 ◼ ► merely that this new open apple that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3577">TS</a>]
00:59:41 ◼ ► this is part of what comes with it part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3581">TS</a>]
00:59:42 ◼ ► of it comes to understanding on both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3582">TS</a>]
00:59:44 ◼ ► sides of the fence that being more open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3584">TS</a>]
00:59:45 ◼ ► means that human beings are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3585">TS</a>]
00:59:47 ◼ ► come out and be open and if they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3587">TS</a>]
00:59:50 ◼ ► things wrong or whatever you can't hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3590">TS</a>]
00:59:52 ◼ ► them to the same standards as we help be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3592">TS</a>]
00:59:54 ◼ ► carefully controlled manicured PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3594">TS</a>]
00:59:57 ◼ ► presence of the old Apple because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3597">TS</a>]
01:00:00 ◼ ► both ways were like we wanted to be more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3600">TS</a>]
01:00:01 ◼ ► open but you want every single thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3601">TS</a>]
01:00:02 ◼ ► that every person has to be perfect all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3602">TS</a>]
01:00:05 ◼ ► you have to the more you're open the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3605">TS</a>]
01:00:08 ◼ ► more we all in this sort of dialogue is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3608">TS</a>]
01:00:09 ◼ ► you know customer and company have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3609">TS</a>]
01:00:12 ◼ ► become comfortable with the idea that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3612">TS</a>]
01:00:14 ◼ ► an open dialogue it's not as clean and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3614">TS</a>]
01:00:17 ◼ ► shiny and perfect and so if they sound a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3617">TS</a>]
01:00:19 ◼ ► little bit defensive it's because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3619">TS</a>]
01:00:20 ◼ ► they're human beings and they're being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3620">TS</a>]
01:00:21 ◼ ► asked questions that they might feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3621">TS</a>]
01:00:23 ◼ ► defensive about and you can't do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3623">TS</a>]
01:00:25 ◼ ► know excoriate them for being the humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3625">TS</a>]
01:00:27 ◼ ► that we always wish they were so I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3627">TS</a>]
01:00:29 ◼ ► i want to be clear on trying to do is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3629">TS</a>]
01:00:31 ◼ ► want to encourage more of this and i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3631">TS</a>]
01:00:33 ◼ ► almost kind of sad that they didn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3633">TS</a>]
01:00:34 ◼ ► any you know big but blunders because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3634">TS</a>]
01:00:37 ◼ ► think if they did I think it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3637">TS</a>]
01:00:39 ◼ ► well but I think you're right that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3639">TS</a>]
01:00:41 ◼ ► would be fine however Apple wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3641">TS</a>]
01:00:43 ◼ ► think it would be fine and so if they if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3643">TS</a>]
01:00:45 ◼ ► they had made any big blunders it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3645">TS</a>]
01:00:47 ◼ ► greatly reduce the chances of us getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3647">TS</a>]
01:00:49 ◼ ► more access to them in the future like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3649">TS</a>]
01:00:52 ◼ ► what I'm trying to say to encourage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3652">TS</a>]
01:00:53 ◼ ► Apple basically say at least I am and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3653">TS</a>]
01:00:58 ◼ ► forgiving so that they can they can feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3658">TS</a>]
01:01:00 ◼ ► safe doing this because we want a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3660">TS</a>]
01:01:02 ◼ ► open dialogue and I think if anyone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3662">TS</a>]
01:01:06 ◼ ► sort of the apple tech press decides to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3666">TS</a>]
01:01:08 ◼ ► jump on these times just gonna scare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3668">TS</a>]
01:01:09 ◼ ► them back into their holes so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3669">TS</a>]
01:01:11 ◼ ► let's let's be nice but yeah but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3671">TS</a>]
01:01:14 ◼ ► know we can be nice and we can be civil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3674">TS</a>]
01:01:16 ◼ ► and we can still disagree with things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3676">TS</a>]
01:01:18 ◼ ► they say or you can criticize you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3678">TS</a>]
01:01:20 ◼ ► things they say in normal civil ways you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3680">TS</a>]
01:01:22 ◼ ► know and so I don't think I'm not saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3682">TS</a>]
01:01:24 ◼ ► like I don't think you're saying that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3684">TS</a>]
01:01:26 ◼ ► should take it easy on the necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3686">TS</a>]
01:01:28 ◼ ► just that we should you know be civil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3688">TS</a>]
01:01:31 ◼ ► and reasonable and not not like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3691">TS</a>]
01:01:34 ◼ ► kind of given the benefit of the doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3694">TS</a>]
01:01:35 ◼ ► if they'd like misspeak slightly or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3695">TS</a>]
01:01:37 ◼ ► something is I would really is roughly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3697">TS</a>]
01:01:39 ◼ ► what you're saying yeah and as for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3699">TS</a>]
01:01:41 ◼ ► your specific points about lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3701">TS</a>]
01:01:43 ◼ ► interview that was a lot of time to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3703">TS</a>]
01:01:44 ◼ ► into things and as I said when Craig was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3704">TS</a>]
01:01:47 ◼ ► on they're not going to go into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3707">TS</a>]
01:01:49 ◼ ► level of detail that we go into about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3709">TS</a>]
01:01:50 ◼ ► these things that's not the forum for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3710">TS</a>]
01:01:52 ◼ ► it's not as if it like that that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3712">TS</a>]
01:01:55 ◼ ► of what you know what is their job and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3715">TS</a>]
01:01:56 ◼ ► also what is the purpose of a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3716">TS</a>]
01:01:59 ◼ ► like this when you have these executives [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3719">TS</a>]
01:02:02 ◼ ► harangue them about whatever your pet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3722">TS</a>]
01:02:06 ◼ ► problem is you're not going to affect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3726">TS</a>]
01:02:10 ◼ ► you know the design apple's macintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3730">TS</a>]
01:02:12 ◼ ► application design philosophy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3732">TS</a>]
01:02:14 ◼ ► leaves begin to a bar side you are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3734">TS</a>]
01:02:16 ◼ ► going to change that philosophy by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3736">TS</a>]
01:02:17 ◼ ► arguing with Gregg federighi about it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3737">TS</a>]
01:02:20 ◼ ► a podcast right you're not going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3740">TS</a>]
01:02:22 ◼ ► him to say yeah you're right it sucks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3742">TS</a>]
01:02:23 ◼ ► like that like you like you are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3743">TS</a>]
01:02:25 ◼ ► get a DQ to say yeah itunes is horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3745">TS</a>]
01:02:27 ◼ ► and the itunes store infrastructure is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3747">TS</a>]
01:02:29 ◼ ► just the worst but hold on i mean he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3749">TS</a>]
01:02:32 ◼ ► admit that like itunes challenges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3752">TS</a>]
01:02:33 ◼ ► whatever the whole point is like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3753">TS</a>]
01:02:34 ◼ ► not going to like that's it there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3754">TS</a>]
01:02:37 ◼ ► time and place for that in this writ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3757">TS</a>]
01:02:38 ◼ ► small that I think we're all at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3758">TS</a>]
01:02:40 ◼ ► point familiar with is that if you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3760">TS</a>]
01:02:42 ◼ ► WWDC and you find the one guy who writes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3762">TS</a>]
01:02:45 ◼ ► the obscure framework their application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3765">TS</a>]
01:02:46 ◼ ► is using you could possibly convince him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3766">TS</a>]
01:02:49 ◼ ► one-on-one to change this parameter in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3769">TS</a>]
01:02:51 ◼ ► this API to do this thing in the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3771">TS</a>]
01:02:53 ◼ ► major version that can actually happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3773">TS</a>]
01:02:55 ◼ ► right that is the level of individuals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3775">TS</a>]
01:02:58 ◼ ► ability to talk to other individuals as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3778">TS</a>]
01:03:01 ◼ ► humans but it's not in public that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3781">TS</a>]
01:03:04 ◼ ► person who commits will never admit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3784">TS</a>]
01:03:07 ◼ ► parameter an API call right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3787">TS</a>]
01:03:09 ◼ ► it's very different than you know trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3789">TS</a>]
01:03:12 ◼ ► to convince the you know flying out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3792">TS</a>]
01:03:15 ◼ ► cupertino and sitting down a giant table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3795">TS</a>]
01:03:17 ◼ ► with the entire executive team at apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3797">TS</a>]
01:03:19 ◼ ► and say in this 10-minute presentation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3799">TS</a>]
01:03:21 ◼ ► go i'm going to convince you that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3801">TS</a>]
01:03:25 ◼ ► particular way and then they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3805">TS</a>]
01:03:26 ◼ ► dismiss you and you know then they will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3806">TS</a>]
01:03:28 ◼ ► realize they were working on new version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3808">TS</a>]
01:03:30 ◼ ► of photos for like a year a new version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3810">TS</a>]
01:03:31 ◼ ► of itunes for 12 years or a new file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3811">TS</a>]
01:03:33 ◼ ► system for X number of years and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3813">TS</a>]
01:03:36 ◼ ► information put another way you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3816">TS</a>]
01:03:37 ◼ ► have enough information to be compelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3817">TS</a>]
01:03:39 ◼ ► to them so i think all we can do as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3819">TS</a>]
01:03:41 ◼ ► sort of the public out here is merely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3821">TS</a>]
01:03:43 ◼ ► explain things from our perspective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3823">TS</a>]
01:03:46 ◼ ► because we just we just simply don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3826">TS</a>]
01:03:49 ◼ ► have enough information to make to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3829">TS</a>]
01:03:52 ◼ ► convince Apple to do anything but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3832">TS</a>]
01:03:53 ◼ ► have no idea we still have no idea what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3833">TS</a>]
01:03:55 ◼ ► they're actually doing all we can do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3835">TS</a>]
01:03:57 ◼ ► say here's how we feel as users and hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3837">TS</a>]
01:03:59 ◼ ► that gets through to them and if we feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3839">TS</a>]
01:04:01 ◼ ► like there's a communication barrier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3841">TS</a>]
01:04:02 ◼ ► then thats that's what them coming on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3842">TS</a>]
01:04:04 ◼ ► podcast is about saying we hear you we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3844">TS</a>]
01:04:06 ◼ ► understand your concerns and you can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3846">TS</a>]
01:04:08 ◼ ► back and forth on them and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3848">TS</a>]
01:04:09 ◼ ► clarify them or whatever and when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3849">TS</a>]
01:04:11 ◼ ► feels like there's a gap like in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3851">TS</a>]
01:04:12 ◼ ► case where Mark was saying that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3852">TS</a>]
01:04:14 ◼ ► well you don't understand here's all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3854">TS</a>]
01:04:16 ◼ ► things we have to deal with like where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3856">TS</a>]
01:04:18 ◼ ► you start sounding defensive and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3858">TS</a>]
01:04:20 ◼ ► come back with snappy answers like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3860">TS</a>]
01:04:22 ◼ ► with this kind of volume 2 and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3862">TS</a>]
01:04:23 ◼ ► it better so what's the deal there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3863">TS</a>]
01:04:25 ◼ ► all itunes big load for years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3865">TS</a>]
01:04:26 ◼ ► everybody degrees in this so where's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3866">TS</a>]
01:04:28 ◼ ► new version and you say you agree but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3868">TS</a>]
01:04:29 ◼ ► where is that like they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3869">TS</a>]
01:04:30 ◼ ► tell you all the new version we've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3870">TS</a>]
01:04:32 ◼ ► working on it for a while now it's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3872">TS</a>]
01:04:33 ◼ ► come out and it's gonna be split into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3873">TS</a>]
01:04:34 ◼ ► this number applications and blonde [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3874">TS</a>]
01:04:36 ◼ ► didn't make this really they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3876">TS</a>]
01:04:39 ◼ ► perspective in a sanitized way so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3879">TS</a>]
01:04:42 ◼ ► little bit like boys and girls with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3882">TS</a>]
01:04:44 ◼ ► dance at the opposite sides of the gym [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3884">TS</a>]
01:04:46 ◼ ► and no one going into the middle to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3886">TS</a>]
01:04:48 ◼ ► dance and and it has to be that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3888">TS</a>]
01:04:50 ◼ ► because at the very least apple is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3890">TS</a>]
01:04:53 ◼ ► going to you know to reveal itself in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3893">TS</a>]
01:04:57 ◼ ► the public forum we have the advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3897">TS</a>]
01:05:00 ◼ ► frustrations and put them out there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3900">TS</a>]
01:05:03 ◼ ► then have apple hear them in whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3903">TS</a>]
01:05:04 ◼ ► way that one here but Apple is not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3904">TS</a>]
01:05:06 ◼ ► to be that forthcoming so it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3906">TS</a>]
01:05:09 ◼ ► still strange relationship but i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3909">TS</a>]
01:05:11 ◼ ► the fact that there is any kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3911">TS</a>]
01:05:12 ◼ ► communication going in both directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3912">TS</a>]
01:05:14 ◼ ► yeah I've been really impressed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3914">TS</a>]
01:05:17 ◼ ► Apple's willingness to communicate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3917">TS</a>]
01:05:19 ◼ ► and i agree with you i would really hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3919">TS</a>]
01:05:22 ◼ ► I'm I've really enjoyed these episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3922">TS</a>]
01:05:25 ◼ ► of the talk show and you know if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3925">TS</a>]
01:05:27 ◼ ► ever decided to branch out into other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3927">TS</a>]
01:05:29 ◼ ► podcast I'm sure that it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3929">TS</a>]
01:05:31 ◼ ► accommodated by home with that said I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3931">TS</a>]
01:05:35 ◼ ► was reflecting on my memory of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3935">TS</a>]
01:05:37 ◼ ► episode III listen to it pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3937">TS</a>]
01:05:39 ◼ ► immediately once it was out this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3939">TS</a>]
01:05:40 ◼ ► almost week ago now but on there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3940">TS</a>]
01:05:43 ◼ ► bit of a theme you can you keep saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3943">TS</a>]
01:05:45 ◼ ► John being defensive and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3945">TS</a>]
01:05:47 ◼ ► a fair characterization but reflecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3947">TS</a>]
01:05:50 ◼ ► on the the pieces that struck me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3950">TS</a>]
01:05:52 ◼ ► most was a little bit of playing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3952">TS</a>]
01:05:56 ◼ ► itunes is really old and we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3956">TS</a>]
01:05:59 ◼ ► support devices that go back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3959">TS</a>]
01:06:01 ◼ ► beginning of time you know what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3961">TS</a>]
01:06:03 ◼ ► expect us to do we have a lot of users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3963">TS</a>]
01:06:06 ◼ ► guys you don't get it we have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3966">TS</a>]
01:06:08 ◼ ► users let me tell you all the things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3968">TS</a>]
01:06:11 ◼ ► transactions we process right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3971">TS</a>]
01:06:13 ◼ ► any q's ready with big numbers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3973">TS</a>]
01:06:15 ◼ ► presentations we do a lot of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3975">TS</a>]
01:06:17 ◼ ► things and like you have to acknowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3977">TS</a>]
01:06:18 ◼ ► like yes they do those things but likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3978">TS</a>]
01:06:20 ◼ ► sure the communication barrier is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3980">TS</a>]
01:06:22 ◼ ► we understand what you're doing is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3982">TS</a>]
01:06:24 ◼ ► god it's like playing the victim is one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3984">TS</a>]
01:06:26 ◼ ► way to say but the other way is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3986">TS</a>]
01:06:30 ◼ ► whatever you want to call it at any big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3990">TS</a>]
01:06:32 ◼ ► company where you're the one responsible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3992">TS</a>]
01:06:37 ◼ ► everything goes well right they only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3997">TS</a>]
01:06:38 ◼ ► care about it when something breaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/3998">TS</a>]
01:06:40 ◼ ► right you get no credit practically for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4000">TS</a>]
01:06:43 ◼ ► hey did you guys realize that for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4003">TS</a>]
01:06:45 ◼ ► past you know X number of hours or days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4005">TS</a>]
01:06:46 ◼ ► or whatever this service was perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4006">TS</a>]
01:06:48 ◼ ► fine know they like they just expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4008">TS</a>]
01:06:50 ◼ ► it's like the power company that markets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4010">TS</a>]
01:06:52 ◼ ► nobody cares about the power company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4012">TS</a>]
01:06:53 ◼ ► when the power is on you only care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4013">TS</a>]
01:06:55 ◼ ► the power company on the one day a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4015">TS</a>]
01:06:56 ◼ ► it's often then you're super pissed off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4016">TS</a>]
01:06:58 ◼ ► I'm so in some ways it's a thankless job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4018">TS</a>]
01:07:00 ◼ ► but but that is the job if you work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4020">TS</a>]
01:07:02 ◼ ► the power company you understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4022">TS</a>]
01:07:04 ◼ ► the job when the power goes out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4024">TS</a>]
01:07:06 ◼ ► of something you don't say look you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4026">TS</a>]
01:07:07 ◼ ► don't understand how many how many miles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4027">TS</a>]
01:07:08 ◼ ► of lines we have and there's ice all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4028">TS</a>]
01:07:10 ◼ ► over them and you know tree branches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4030">TS</a>]
01:07:12 ◼ ► leaning on them and birds pecking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4032">TS</a>]
01:07:14 ◼ ► them and we don't have tax money to fund [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4034">TS</a>]
01:07:15 ◼ ► like the power company can make all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4035">TS</a>]
01:07:17 ◼ ► those same exact complaints and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4037">TS</a>]
01:07:18 ◼ ► should do the parties they can change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4038">TS</a>]
01:07:20 ◼ ► things but when your power goes out you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4040">TS</a>]
01:07:22 ◼ ► yeah exactly and you know this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4042">TS</a>]
01:07:24 ◼ ► victim sort of card got played couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4044">TS</a>]
01:07:28 ◼ ► oh you know yes we have a lot of users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4048">TS</a>]
01:07:29 ◼ ► and yes we are we are decent to serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4049">TS</a>]
01:07:32 ◼ ► a lot of users let's say with iMessage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4052">TS</a>]
01:07:33 ◼ ► but you have to understand that we scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4053">TS</a>]
01:07:36 ◼ ► exponentially which all these things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4056">TS</a>]
01:07:41 ◼ ► yeah affair observations but but still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4061">TS</a>]
01:07:43 ◼ ► it's only you guys don't get it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4063">TS</a>]
01:07:45 ◼ ► don't get it but the the one that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4065">TS</a>]
01:07:47 ◼ ► haven't talked about that i thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4067">TS</a>]
01:07:48 ◼ ► most fascinating was a pretty clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4068">TS</a>]
01:07:51 ◼ ► no I'm gonna use the word admission but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4071">TS</a>]
01:07:53 ◼ ► that's not really what I'm looking for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4073">TS</a>]
01:07:54 ◼ ► but acknowledgement maybe a pretty clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4074">TS</a>]
01:07:57 ◼ ► acknowledgement from craig that radar is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4077">TS</a>]
01:08:01 ◼ ► kind of fundamentally broken our serving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4081">TS</a>]
01:08:04 ◼ ► for serving the public that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4084">TS</a>]
01:08:06 ◼ ► acknowledging that it's dark at night I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4086">TS</a>]
01:08:08 ◼ ► mean that's what fun things you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4088">TS</a>]
01:08:12 ◼ ► undeniable even any admitted itunes blow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4092">TS</a>]
01:08:14 ◼ ► but radar yeah no one is going to be I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4094">TS</a>]
01:08:17 ◼ ► don't think it's possible to send anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4097">TS</a>]
01:08:18 ◼ ► from Apple to come out to defend radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4098">TS</a>]
01:08:25 ◼ ► important step for it to be said in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4105">TS</a>]
01:08:29 ◼ ► public that hey this is broken and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4109">TS</a>]
01:08:30 ◼ ► there's a little bit of victim playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4110">TS</a>]
01:08:32 ◼ ► well you don't understand that's super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4112">TS</a>]
01:08:34 ◼ ► important for us internally this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4114">TS</a>]
01:08:36 ◼ ► serves a really really big purpose for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4116">TS</a>]
01:08:38 ◼ ► us we can't just throw out the baby with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4118">TS</a>]
01:08:39 ◼ ► the bathwater yeah we we really needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4119">TS</a>]
01:08:42 ◼ ► internally but you know we probably have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4122">TS</a>]
01:08:46 ◼ ► in and i thought that that Vic victim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4126">TS</a>]
01:08:50 ◼ ► playing all of which to some degree was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4130">TS</a>]
01:08:53 ◼ ► fair was interesting it was very subtle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4133">TS</a>]
01:08:55 ◼ ► but most of all I just thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4135">TS</a>]
01:08:58 ◼ ► fascinating to see some admissions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4138">TS</a>]
01:09:01 ◼ ► infallibility coming from the two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4141">TS</a>]
01:09:03 ◼ ► yeah i think someone with more PR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4143">TS</a>]
01:09:05 ◼ ► training more formal PR training would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4145">TS</a>]
01:09:06 ◼ ► know that those are not winning ankles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4146">TS</a>]
01:09:08 ◼ ► as Marco pointed out in the the episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4148">TS</a>]
01:09:10 ◼ ► that we almost titled for effort like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4150">TS</a>]
01:09:14 ◼ ► something you can't come to the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4154">TS</a>]
01:09:16 ◼ ► with that like that's what you tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4156">TS</a>]
01:09:17 ◼ ► yourself internally right you can have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4157">TS</a>]
01:09:18 ◼ ► these discussions internally about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4158">TS</a>]
01:09:20 ◼ ► here's why it's really hard to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4160">TS</a>]
01:09:22 ◼ ► whatever to deal with itunes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4162">TS</a>]
01:09:24 ◼ ► it's really popular to deal with updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4164">TS</a>]
01:09:26 ◼ ► like these are everything they're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4166">TS</a>]
01:09:28 ◼ ► is true but when you go to the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4168">TS</a>]
01:09:30 ◼ ► part of PR training is to know what can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4170">TS</a>]
01:09:32 ◼ ► we say to the public there that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4172">TS</a>]
01:09:34 ◼ ► going to move their opinion in the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4174">TS</a>]
01:09:35 ◼ ► that we want to move you have to that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4175">TS</a>]
01:09:37 ◼ ► the problem with having engineers talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4177">TS</a>]
01:09:39 ◼ ► to anybody they will just tell you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4179">TS</a>]
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01:16:38 ◼ ► worth keeping because while you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4598">TS</a>]
01:16:41 ◼ ► the thing about to like to hear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4601">TS</a>]
01:16:42 ◼ ► thing about vector networks from this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4602">TS</a>]
01:16:43 ◼ ► company figma no I i saw it but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4603">TS</a>]
01:16:48 ◼ ► understand it but it sounds cool because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4608">TS</a>]
01:16:50 ◼ ► like I as somebody who likes so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4610">TS</a>]
01:16:52 ◼ ► idea of this is like a new way to draw a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4612">TS</a>]
01:16:54 ◼ ► vector art basically can like a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4614">TS</a>]
01:16:56 ◼ ► basically a new like data structure for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4616">TS</a>]
01:16:58 ◼ ► vector art and and I have always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4618">TS</a>]
01:17:01 ◼ ► baffled by the few attempts I've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4621">TS</a>]
01:17:03 ◼ ► doing vector art be like as you know in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4623">TS</a>]
01:17:08 ◼ ► occasional needs to do it that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4628">TS</a>]
01:17:11 ◼ ► programs always been very hard for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4631">TS</a>]
01:17:13 ◼ ► understand and it's been very hard for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4633">TS</a>]
01:17:15 ◼ ► me to achieve the result i want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4635">TS</a>]
01:17:17 ◼ ► seems very obvious ago I just want this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4637">TS</a>]
01:17:19 ◼ ► line to go from here to here and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4639">TS</a>]
01:17:20 ◼ ► perfectly smooth and like it's so hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4640">TS</a>]
01:17:22 ◼ ► to do some of those things if you aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4642">TS</a>]
01:17:24 ◼ ► familiar with with like the tools of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4644">TS</a>]
01:17:25 ◼ ► Bezier curves basically and weird weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4645">TS</a>]
01:17:28 ◼ ► stuff like that so it do understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4648">TS</a>]
01:17:30 ◼ ► correctly this is kind of like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4650">TS</a>]
01:17:31 ◼ ► alternative whole system that makes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4651">TS</a>]
01:17:33 ◼ ► yeah so this since this as far as i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4653">TS</a>]
01:17:35 ◼ ► tell it's not a piece of software you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4655">TS</a>]
01:17:36 ◼ ► can download to try at this point I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4656">TS</a>]
01:17:40 ◼ ► the various animations and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4660">TS</a>]
01:17:41 ◼ ► description on their website and i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4661">TS</a>]
01:17:45 ◼ ► know if it will be any good or old bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4665">TS</a>]
01:17:46 ◼ ► do what they say it will do but i'm most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4666">TS</a>]
01:17:49 ◼ ► interested in it because very often I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4669">TS</a>]
01:17:52 ◼ ► see in discussions about software for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4672">TS</a>]
01:17:54 ◼ ► running platform iOS and mac or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4674">TS</a>]
01:17:57 ◼ ► now a lot of people myself included fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4677">TS</a>]
01:17:59 ◼ ► into the the fatalistic notion sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4679">TS</a>]
01:18:02 ◼ ► that there's no point in making an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4682">TS</a>]
01:18:06 ◼ ► application that does X because that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4686">TS</a>]
01:18:08 ◼ ► soft problem and you don't need another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4688">TS</a>]
01:18:11 ◼ ► one and the markets all tied up and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4691">TS</a>]
01:18:13 ◼ ► know you don't want to go red ocean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4693">TS</a>]
01:18:14 ◼ ► wanna go blue ocean go where nobody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4694">TS</a>]
01:18:16 ◼ ► is and find the market that is unserved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4696">TS</a>]
01:18:20 ◼ ► aren't most oceans blue else's analogies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4700">TS</a>]
01:18:23 ◼ ► the nintendo wii think you know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4703">TS</a>]
01:18:25 ◼ ► this right just really a poor color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4705">TS</a>]
01:18:26 ◼ ► choice red oceans because there's blood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4706">TS</a>]
01:18:28 ◼ ► in the water from the competitors eating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4708">TS</a>]
01:18:31 ◼ ► each other but doesn't lose you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4711">TS</a>]
01:18:32 ◼ ► there's no customers because it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4712">TS</a>]
01:18:34 ◼ ► yes that's right you want to go where no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4714">TS</a>]
01:18:36 ◼ ► one is serving the customers is it there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4716">TS</a>]
01:18:38 ◼ ► are no competitors like what you the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4718">TS</a>]
01:18:39 ◼ ► other competitors are the are the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4719">TS</a>]
01:18:41 ◼ ► you can change the color of the water no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4721">TS</a>]
01:18:42 ◼ ► competitors are there eating each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4722">TS</a>]
01:18:44 ◼ ► you'll just be the only one there and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4724">TS</a>]
01:18:45 ◼ ► one is eating you so there's no blood in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4725">TS</a>]
01:18:46 ◼ ► the ocean but you have nobody to either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4726">TS</a>]
01:18:48 ◼ ► because there's no customers the water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4728">TS</a>]
01:18:50 ◼ ► your customers it's not a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4730">TS</a>]
01:18:51 ◼ ► I don't make it happen ease i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4731">TS</a>]
01:18:54 ◼ ► anyone ever started for the we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4734">TS</a>]
01:18:56 ◼ ► reference old hypercritical episodes as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4736">TS</a>]
01:18:58 ◼ ► always I'll be the answer key is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4738">TS</a>]
01:19:00 ◼ ► it's like the rosetta stone just go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4740">TS</a>]
01:19:01 ◼ ► we should totally review business books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4741">TS</a>]
01:19:03 ◼ ► oh god you thought you were escape Casey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4743">TS</a>]
01:19:06 ◼ ► that's not so anyway with the vector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4746">TS</a>]
01:19:09 ◼ ► drawing outside the same experience I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4749">TS</a>]
01:19:10 ◼ ► got used illustrator 88 and learned how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4750">TS</a>]
01:19:13 ◼ ► to use vector tools and the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4753">TS</a>]
01:19:15 ◼ ► applications into more variety back then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4755">TS</a>]
01:19:16 ◼ ► like mac girl and almost all the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4756">TS</a>]
01:19:18 ◼ ► applications you guys have never heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4758">TS</a>]
01:19:19 ◼ ► of or used but these days it has settled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4759">TS</a>]
01:19:22 ◼ ► down in most vector drawing applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4762">TS</a>]
01:19:24 ◼ ► and now that illustrator is like wipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4764">TS</a>]
01:19:25 ◼ ► them all from the face of the planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4765">TS</a>]
01:19:26 ◼ ► free hands even around the neighborhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4766">TS</a>]
01:19:28 ◼ ► ever follow a similar theme for in terms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4768">TS</a>]
01:19:32 ◼ ► of the controls just a lot of is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4772">TS</a>]
01:19:34 ◼ ► because of historically speaking that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4774">TS</a>]
01:19:35 ◼ ► once you establish the sort of keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4775">TS</a>]
01:19:38 ◼ ► modifiers that everyone is used to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4778">TS</a>]
01:19:40 ◼ ► everything that is like out what drawing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4780">TS</a>]
01:19:41 ◼ ► vectors in this particular way and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4781">TS</a>]
01:19:43 ◼ ► this point if you're not someone who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4783">TS</a>]
01:19:44 ◼ ► uses about growing up all the time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4784">TS</a>]
01:19:47 ◼ ► will find it weird and you like Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4787">TS</a>]
01:19:49 ◼ ► will not be able to do what you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4789">TS</a>]
01:19:51 ◼ ► because it will seem like i just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4791">TS</a>]
01:19:52 ◼ ► connect this line to that line to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4792">TS</a>]
01:19:54 ◼ ► line and why doesn't let me connect here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4794">TS</a>]
01:19:55 ◼ ► and no this is actually connected that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4795">TS</a>]
01:19:57 ◼ ► line is disconnected and there's little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4797">TS</a>]
01:19:59 ◼ ► endcap sticking out and why can't this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4799">TS</a>]
01:20:01 ◼ ► curve go the way I wanted and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4801">TS</a>]
01:20:03 ◼ ► what is the winding number and why when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4803">TS</a>]
01:20:04 ◼ ► i try to fill this region does it leak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4804">TS</a>]
01:20:05 ◼ ► out because it looks like this entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4805">TS</a>]
01:20:07 ◼ ► closed circle and also the crap and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4807">TS</a>]
01:20:10 ◼ ► the same time a software developer would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4810">TS</a>]
01:20:12 ◼ ► so I'm not gonna do a vector drawing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4812">TS</a>]
01:20:14 ◼ ► application that market is so not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4814">TS</a>]
01:20:16 ◼ ► there are so many strong competitors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4816">TS</a>]
01:20:19 ◼ ► Who am I even serving with like say I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4819">TS</a>]
01:20:22 ◼ ► making a vector drawing application that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4822">TS</a>]
01:20:23 ◼ ► that's really good i say it's just all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4823">TS</a>]
01:20:26 ◼ ► you know just as good as one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4826">TS</a>]
01:20:27 ◼ ► strong market leaders so what who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4827">TS</a>]
01:20:30 ◼ ► gonna buy mine is already an application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4830">TS</a>]
01:20:32 ◼ ► that does that by Napoli by a vendor has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4832">TS</a>]
01:20:33 ◼ ► been around longer than has more support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4833">TS</a>]
01:20:34 ◼ ► that has you know they have such a head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4834">TS</a>]
01:20:36 ◼ ► start on me is no point and i like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4836">TS</a>]
01:20:39 ◼ ► idea of this vector networks thing of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4839">TS</a>]
01:20:41 ◼ ► think in every application domain there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4841">TS</a>]
01:20:43 ◼ ► is the possibility of saying yeah it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4843">TS</a>]
01:20:46 ◼ ► there's a market that is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4846">TS</a>]
01:20:48 ◼ ► heavily saturated with lots of very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4848">TS</a>]
01:20:49 ◼ ► strong competitors that's probably hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4849">TS</a>]
01:20:52 ◼ ► to break into but if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4852">TS</a>]
01:20:53 ◼ ► market and say but you know what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4853">TS</a>]
01:20:55 ◼ ► all suck in this one particular way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4855">TS</a>]
01:20:57 ◼ ► their users either don't realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4857">TS</a>]
01:20:59 ◼ ► sucks in that way or don't care because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4859">TS</a>]
01:21:01 ◼ ► they learn the old system and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4861">TS</a>]
01:21:02 ◼ ► could be people out there who are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4862">TS</a>]
01:21:04 ◼ ► buying vector drawing applications to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4864">TS</a>]
01:21:05 ◼ ► see the existing ones they can't figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4865">TS</a>]
01:21:06 ◼ ► out how to use them so i can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4866">TS</a>]
01:21:08 ◼ ► better way to draw vectors I can a get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4868">TS</a>]
01:21:11 ◼ ► customers that don't buy these other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4871">TS</a>]
01:21:12 ◼ ► applications or aren't satisfied with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4872">TS</a>]
01:21:14 ◼ ► them and be possibly become the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4874">TS</a>]
01:21:17 ◼ ► great vector application because maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4877">TS</a>]
01:21:19 ◼ ► even designers want to do it this way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4879">TS</a>]
01:21:20 ◼ ► and not deal with those frustrations or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4880">TS</a>]
01:21:22 ◼ ► whatever or you just failed miserably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4882">TS</a>]
01:21:24 ◼ ► and realize that there's no competing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4884">TS</a>]
01:21:25 ◼ ► with illustrator and you know too bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4885">TS</a>]
01:21:27 ◼ ► but I I'm heartened by efforts like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4887">TS</a>]
01:21:32 ◼ ► because it reminds me that there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4892">TS</a>]
01:21:35 ◼ ► problem that is so well solve that can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4895">TS</a>]
01:21:37 ◼ ► be solved better by someone else with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4897">TS</a>]
01:21:40 ◼ ► and so I i'm looking forward to trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4900">TS</a>]
01:21:42 ◼ ► this application and if it doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4902">TS</a>]
01:21:44 ◼ ► out or is actually worse than the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4904">TS</a>]
01:21:46 ◼ ► oh well but i really liked seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4906">TS</a>]
01:21:48 ◼ ► stories like this and i really want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4908">TS</a>]
01:21:49 ◼ ► people to do more things like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4909">TS</a>]
01:21:50 ◼ ► because as you can imagine there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4910">TS</a>]
01:21:53 ◼ ► single application i use every day that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4913">TS</a>]
01:21:54 ◼ ► I don't think could be better in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4914">TS</a>]
01:21:58 ◼ ► that's right a you would listen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4918">TS</a>]
01:22:00 ◼ ► show good job once or twice yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4920">TS</a>]
01:22:05 ◼ ► graphics and I haven't read the article [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4925">TS</a>]
01:22:06 ◼ ► looks very cool my only foray into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4926">TS</a>]
01:22:09 ◼ ► vector drawing was the world's best app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4929">TS</a>]
01:22:14 ◼ ► yes and and so i am not the one to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4934">TS</a>]
01:22:18 ◼ ► about this but it looks neat for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4938">TS</a>]
01:22:19 ◼ ► I'm s what I mess up because i don't i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4939">TS</a>]
01:22:22 ◼ ► not going to using the current crop of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4942">TS</a>]
01:22:23 ◼ ► vector tools but what I miss a lot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4943">TS</a>]
01:22:26 ◼ ► briefly i believe in college got it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4946">TS</a>]
01:22:29 ◼ ► long as i can remember it wasn't pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4949">TS</a>]
01:22:31 ◼ ► sure with autocad everyone will you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4951">TS</a>]
01:22:33 ◼ ► email and tell me what application was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4953">TS</a>]
01:22:35 ◼ ► but it's the one where you you can draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4955">TS</a>]
01:22:36 ◼ ► things with the command line in addition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4956">TS</a>]
01:22:38 ◼ ► to using the mouse and stuff it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4958">TS</a>]
01:22:39 ◼ ► probably autocad and for a brief moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4959">TS</a>]
01:22:42 ◼ ► I got pretty good doing that and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4962">TS</a>]
01:22:45 ◼ ► do things with that command line and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4965">TS</a>]
01:22:48 ◼ ► what I think was autocad that I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4968">TS</a>]
01:22:50 ◼ ► can't do with illustrator in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4970">TS</a>]
01:22:52 ◼ ► connect this line to their perpendicular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4972">TS</a>]
01:22:54 ◼ ► to that intersect that with this like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4974">TS</a>]
01:22:56 ◼ ► always have such difficulty of like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4976">TS</a>]
01:22:58 ◼ ► just want this point to be on that line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4978">TS</a>]
01:23:00 ◼ ► and I want the angle between the two to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4980">TS</a>]
01:23:01 ◼ ► be this and I don't care if it's not on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4981">TS</a>]
01:23:03 ◼ ► a grid line and I don't care like just I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4983">TS</a>]
01:23:05 ◼ ► can describe to you what I want like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4985">TS</a>]
01:23:07 ◼ ► immuno in this command line parlance why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4987">TS</a>]
01:23:10 ◼ ► stupid pen tool you refuse to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4990">TS</a>]
01:23:12 ◼ ► why do I have to click option click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4992">TS</a>]
01:23:14 ◼ ► shift click no don't start making a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4994">TS</a>]
01:23:15 ◼ ► curve no don't connect to that line know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4995">TS</a>]
01:23:17 ◼ ► now you know in AutoCAD I could always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/4997">TS</a>]
01:23:20 ◼ ► get what I wanted and inform z the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5000">TS</a>]
01:23:22 ◼ ► other thing that comes too close to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5002">TS</a>]
01:23:23 ◼ ► form Z is an old 3d program maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5003">TS</a>]
01:23:26 ◼ ► still out there whatever I remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5006">TS</a>]
01:23:28 ◼ ► same thing remember eventually being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5008">TS</a>]
01:23:30 ◼ ► able to do pretty much everything that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5010">TS</a>]
01:23:31 ◼ ► wanted in that program despite it being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5011">TS</a>]
01:23:33 ◼ ► incredibly complicated yet to this day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5013">TS</a>]
01:23:34 ◼ ► vector drawing tools defeat me because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5014">TS</a>]
01:23:37 ◼ ► they follow a set of rules that is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5017">TS</a>]
01:23:38 ◼ ► guess I just disagree with him the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5018">TS</a>]
01:23:40 ◼ ► headphone and refuse to internalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5020">TS</a>]
01:23:44 ◼ ► alright thanks 143 sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5024">TS</a>]
01:23:46 ◼ ► backblaze hover and Harry's and we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5026">TS</a>]
01:23:53 ◼ ► now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5033">TS</a>]
01:23:56 ◼ ► mean to begin as it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5036">TS</a>]
01:24:03 ◼ ► John any research Marco in kc would let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5043">TS</a>]
01:24:08 ◼ ► because it was accidental was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5048">TS</a>]
01:24:14 ◼ ► you can find the show know today TV die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5054">TS</a>]
01:24:25 ◼ ► yes eyl ISS so that's Casey list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5065">TS</a>]
01:24:30 ◼ ► co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5070">TS</a>]
01:24:51 ◼ ► my Sam but the sandbox title here i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5091">TS</a>]
01:24:56 ◼ ► thinking of jumping the possible over as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5096">TS</a>]
01:24:58 ◼ ► many people as possible in the sandbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5098">TS</a>]
01:25:00 ◼ ► or as many people in the sandbox is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5100">TS</a>]
01:25:01 ◼ ► possibly because even if it is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5101">TS</a>]
01:25:03 ◼ ► already and square space stone but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5103">TS</a>]
01:25:05 ◼ ► don't know if the title is it accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5105">TS</a>]
01:25:07 ◼ ► representation of what we said I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5107">TS</a>]
01:25:08 ◼ ► saying which one sounds which one sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5108">TS</a>]
01:25:11 ◼ ► i'm pretty sure that was the accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5111">TS</a>]
01:25:12 ◼ ► prediction what you said and I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5112">TS</a>]
01:25:16 ◼ ► yeah agreed yes I think it's but if i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5116">TS</a>]
01:25:18 ◼ ► was writing it I would put the possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5118">TS</a>]
01:25:19 ◼ ► first but it was a podcast that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5119">TS</a>]
01:25:21 ◼ ► speak and i know im just looking at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5121">TS</a>]
01:25:24 ◼ ► and thinking about the long title it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5124">TS</a>]
01:25:28 ◼ ► nothing that is so perfect know mangle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5128">TS</a>]
01:25:33 ◼ ► yeah oh yeah another medical yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5133">TS</a>]
01:25:36 ◼ ► nothing that is so what everyone yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5136">TS</a>]
01:25:40 ◼ ► yeah we have made this tire decided you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5140">TS</a>]
01:25:43 ◼ ► know we discovered a neutral method [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5143">TS</a>]
01:25:44 ◼ ► slightly misquoting John back to himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5144">TS</a>]
01:25:47 ◼ ► doesn't know i doing to myself are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5147">TS</a>]
01:25:50 ◼ ► talking about one every time I listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5150">TS</a>]
01:25:54 ◼ ► myself on a podcast that happens making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5154">TS</a>]
01:25:58 ◼ ► you explain that when I wasn't myself I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5158">TS</a>]
01:26:00 ◼ ► hear all the things i say wrong and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5160">TS</a>]
01:26:04 ◼ ► ok so but it's not like you're not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5164">TS</a>]
01:26:06 ◼ ► you're not like saying as you listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5166">TS</a>]
01:26:09 ◼ ► along saying in your head what you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5169">TS</a>]
01:26:11 ◼ ► differently you're just you're mad that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5171">TS</a>]
01:26:14 ◼ ► you said something that was not what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5174">TS</a>]
01:26:17 ◼ ► I can always here when I'm the listener [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5177">TS</a>]
01:26:21 ◼ ► well you should try editing the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5181">TS</a>]
01:26:22 ◼ ► it's wrong but brutal at least you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5182">TS</a>]
01:26:26 ◼ ► well i guess i can fix some of them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5186">TS</a>]
01:26:28 ◼ ► know yeah but you fix yours way better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5188">TS</a>]
01:26:30 ◼ ► yeah well because I i I'm more critical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5190">TS</a>]
01:26:34 ◼ ► hypercritical if you ended the show we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5194">TS</a>]
01:26:36 ◼ ► would never publish a show his head so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5196">TS</a>]
01:26:38 ◼ ► don't know that I've never I've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5198">TS</a>]
01:26:40 ◼ ► added anything have no idea what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5200">TS</a>]
01:26:43 ◼ ► probably the same thing I would fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5203">TS</a>]
01:26:45 ◼ ► everything that I said leave everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5205">TS</a>]
01:26:46 ◼ ► else is that sound dumped you for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5206">TS</a>]
01:26:51 ◼ ► your your part of the show is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5211">TS</a>]
01:26:52 ◼ ► easiest to edit because you talk for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5212">TS</a>]
01:26:56 ◼ ► long spans mostly uninterruptedly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5216">TS</a>]
01:26:59 ◼ ► they very rarely require any alterations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5219">TS</a>]
01:27:01 ◼ ► so mostly most of what you say just skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5221">TS</a>]
01:27:05 ◼ ► it for like whiter than usual gaps and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5225">TS</a>]
01:27:07 ◼ ► shrink those but for the most part i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5227">TS</a>]
01:27:09 ◼ ► don't i don't even listen to what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5229">TS</a>]
01:27:11 ◼ ► say on the editors I heard during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5231">TS</a>]
01:27:12 ◼ ► show I know it's fine i listened to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5232">TS</a>]
01:27:14 ◼ ► and I make mistakes anyway it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5234">TS</a>]
01:27:16 ◼ ► part of the process you getting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5236">TS</a>]
01:27:19 ◼ ► getting the real John in the edit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5239">TS</a>]
01:27:21 ◼ ► raw you brought uncut siracusa circus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5241">TS</a>]
01:27:25 ◼ ► man you're finally managed to be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5245">TS</a>]
01:27:29 ◼ ► and everything's you get inside your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5249">TS</a>]
01:27:30 ◼ ► head of the rated acusa I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5250">TS</a>]
01:27:32 ◼ ► yeah siracusa you're fine yeah fine i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5252">TS</a>]
01:27:39 ◼ ► know you're talking about refer back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5259">TS</a>]
01:27:41 ◼ ► the hypercritical episode where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5261">TS</a>]
01:27:43 ◼ ► discussed the primary purpose of speech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5263">TS</a>]
01:27:46 ◼ ► or writing is to communicate an idea and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5266">TS</a>]
01:27:49 ◼ ► if I basically if I know you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdT7yl30/5269">TS</a>]