Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► Hello and welcome to episode 437 of Connected from Relay FM.

00:00:12 ◼   ► I got really mixed up because I looked at the document and saw that it was my name to do the thing.

00:00:18 ◼   ► And I wasn't ready, but everybody else went quiet for a second.

00:00:21 ◼   ► If you were listening to the pro show, you would have noticed that.

00:00:23 ◼   ► This episode is brought to you by ZocDoc, Squarespace, and Indeed.

00:00:27 ◼   ► I don't remember if I introduced myself.

00:00:29 ◼   ► My name is Mike Curley and I am happy to introduce Federico Vatici.

00:00:33 ◼   ► Phew, okay, I was concerned you were not Mike Curley.

00:00:35 ◼   ► I'm a professional apparently and that is what I did.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Your mic, your mic, that's good to know.

00:00:40 ◼   ► Hi, how are you? You good? Yeah?

00:00:42 ◼   ► I don't know, man.

00:00:43 ◼   ► You doing alright over there?

00:00:44 ◼   ► I don't think so.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Okay.

00:00:48 ◼   ► And it's my pleasure to also introduce Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:00:51 ◼   ► Hello, Stephen.

00:00:52 ◼   ► Hello, we're back.

00:00:54 ◼   ► I'm back. You guys were always here.

00:00:56 ◼   ► How's the snakes?

00:00:58 ◼   ► The snakes were exotic snakes.

00:01:01 ◼   ► The kind that have a special kind of fiber in them.

00:01:06 ◼   ► So fibery snakes.

00:01:09 ◼   ► No, I enjoyed the episode.

00:01:10 ◼   ► Thank you for doing an excellent job as always, guys.

00:01:14 ◼   ► It was really enjoyable discussion.

00:01:16 ◼   ► And I appreciated the references to snakes and ISP fires.

00:01:20 ◼   ► And I can confirm both are things

00:01:22 ◼   ► that actually happened in my life.

00:01:24 ◼   ► Or at least they told me they happened.

00:01:27 ◼   ► I don't know if they were two, but they happened.

00:01:30 ◼   ► - You turned the fiber into something,

00:01:32 ◼   ► the snakes into fiber, right?

00:01:33 ◼   ► You have fiber now?

00:01:34 ◼   ► You've got good, fast internet now.

00:01:36 ◼   ► - I finally have gigabit fiber.

00:01:39 ◼   ► So to give you a bit of a summary of how it all went down,

00:01:44 ◼   ► after, so we moved in July, right?

00:01:46 ◼   ► We've been living in my new apartment

00:01:49 ◼   ► since July of last year.

00:01:52 ◼   ► And we were told, all the people, like when we moved in July,

00:01:58 ◼   ► three out of 33 apartments were occupied by people.

00:02:07 ◼   ► And we were one of those apartments.

00:02:10 ◼   ► And so initially we were told, "Oh, you guys got to wait for fiber.

00:02:12 ◼   ► It's not being activated yet."

00:02:15 ◼   ► And so we started waiting and waiting.

00:02:18 ◼   ► And in the meantime, I started using Personal Hotspot.

00:02:20 ◼   ► And then I bought one of those mobile routers with a SIM card inside.

00:02:25 ◼   ► And we were told like in September, oh no, it's not ready yet.

00:02:30 ◼   ► And so we kept waiting and waiting and waiting until in January.

00:02:35 ◼   ► I got tired of waiting. I was like, I, I, it's,

00:02:38 ◼   ► it seems impossible to me that we've been living here. And now of course,

00:02:43 ◼   ► the building has filled up with other people.

00:02:45 ◼   ► And it seems impossible to me that we're here.

00:02:48 ◼   ► this building obviously exists, there's people living in it, and we still cannot get an internet

00:02:55 ◼   ► connection here. Turns out that the building company didn't know that there's an official

00:03:02 ◼   ► procedure with an actual website where you need to go, if you are a company that builds buildings,

00:03:11 ◼   ► to say this piece of land upon which we constructed

00:03:16 ◼   ► the building needs to have an internet connection activated.

00:03:20 ◼   ► And it's like a whole thing you need to do,

00:03:24 ◼   ► if you do this for a living, to tell

00:03:26 ◼   ► one of the major Italian ISPs, please come here

00:03:30 ◼   ► and lay a fiber cable and connect us to the internet.

00:03:35 ◼   ► We had-- me and another guy, we had

00:03:38 ◼   ► to tell the building company, go to this web page and fill out this form with your information.

00:03:46 ◼   ► After a week, we had fiber. It seems incredible to me that like I had to figure out what the

00:03:53 ◼   ► bottleneck was from a bureaucratic perspective. But anyway.

00:03:58 ◼   ► Maybe you just got yourself a new job in this building company.

00:04:02 ◼   ► If it's this easy, I don't know, geez.

00:04:05 ◼   ► Anyway, so I go to the website

00:04:07 ◼   ► and I was doing this with you guys on iMessage.

00:04:10 ◼   ► The website tells me, hey, you can buy for 30 euros a month,

00:04:15 ◼   ► one gigabit connection, or for 10 euros more,

00:04:18 ◼   ► so 40 euros a month, you can have a 10 gigabit connection,

00:04:23 ◼   ► 10 gigabit fiber.

00:04:24 ◼   ► It's like, I mean, for sure, for like for 10 euros more,

00:04:27 ◼   ► it's gonna be 10 times faster.

00:04:29 ◼   ► I mean, I'm in, sure, I'm gonna do 10 gigabit.

00:04:32 ◼   ► And you guys were like, "Yeah, if you can,

00:04:34 ◼   ► "future-proof yourself, do the 10 gigabit,

00:04:36 ◼   ► "even if it's gonna be relatively useless right now,

00:04:39 ◼   ► "but do it."

00:04:40 ◼   ► And so I did it, and I put in an order for 10 gigabit fiber,

00:04:45 ◼   ► and I sent in my documents, I signed a bunch of things,

00:04:49 ◼   ► and I started waiting again.

00:04:51 ◼   ► And everybody else in the building was like,

00:04:53 ◼   ► "Well, I didn't go for the 10 gigabit,

00:04:54 ◼   ► "I went for the one gigabit, and the ISP guy came today,

00:04:58 ◼   ► "and I have an internet connection finally."

00:05:01 ◼   ► and nothing was moving on my end.

00:05:03 ◼   ► I was like, I don't know, three days, five days, a week, two weeks, ten days.

00:05:09 ◼   ► Like, no, when it became too much, I started investigating this.

00:05:14 ◼   ► So basically, long story short, there was an error on the ISP website.

00:05:19 ◼   ► I couldn't really buy the 10 gigabit fiber.

00:05:23 ◼   ► It was fake news.

00:05:24 ◼   ► -Misinformation. -There was no 10 gigabit support yet.

00:05:31 ◼   ► and I went in basically as soon as the webpage for our street address.

00:05:37 ◼   ► Once it became available, I think I was actually the first person to go there and say,

00:05:42 ◼   ► "I want 10 gigabit fiber!" And it wasn't really true.

00:05:45 ◼   ► It's going to be true in a few months, it sounds like, and maybe at that point I will reconsider.

00:05:51 ◼   ► But yeah, I cancelled my request, put in a new request for a regular 1 gigabit fiber,

00:05:57 ◼   ► and in three days I was connected.

00:05:59 ◼   ► So, I have one gigabit fiber and it's life-changing, guys.

00:06:05 ◼   ► Like, it's truly...

00:06:06 ◼   ► You don't think about it anymore.

00:06:07 ◼   ► No, it's truly life-changing.

00:06:10 ◼   ► Like, uploading podcast recordings takes 20 seconds.

00:06:14 ◼   ► It's like, I never had this before.

00:06:18 ◼   ► This is when you start recording in Wave, right?

00:06:21 ◼   ► Because this is like, well, what's the point?

00:06:22 ◼   ► I might as well.

00:06:23 ◼   ► I'm like, it's no problem.

00:06:25 ◼   ► Yeah, it's great.

00:06:26 ◼   ► And everything was like before, when I had to download like a 3 gigabit file,

00:06:33 ◼   ► I was like, "Oh man, it's gonna take like 45 minutes or something."

00:06:36 ◼   ► Now it takes 30 seconds.

00:06:38 ◼   ► Digital video games become like...

00:06:41 ◼   ► -Yes. -It's just so good.

00:06:42 ◼   ► -It's just so good. -You download things on your PlayStation or whatever

00:06:45 ◼   ► and it's done like in an hour.

00:06:46 ◼   ► -Exactly. -They're still slow, right?

00:06:48 ◼   ► But you are getting it at the fastest speed that they can deliver.

00:06:51 ◼   ► Yes, updates, downloading games on Steam or the PS Store, like it's incredible.

00:06:57 ◼   ► And speaking of video games, something that I started doing this week, streaming video games.

00:07:04 ◼   ► So I set up the NVIDIA GeForce now cloud streaming service.

00:07:09 ◼   ► It's wild.

00:07:10 ◼   ► You can pay for the ultimate tier, and they give you access to better quality,

00:07:18 ◼   ► better image quality, including the data centers upgrades.

00:07:23 ◼   ► NVIDIA, for people who pay more, are upgrading their servers

00:07:28 ◼   ► to have 4080 GPUs in the server racks.

00:07:33 ◼   ► And so you can now do things like, for example,

00:07:37 ◼   ► I was playing Cyberpunk 2077, Ray Tracing Ultra,

00:07:42 ◼   ► so it's like the top tier graphical settings you can have,

00:07:46 ◼   ► at 60 frames per second on my iPhone via a web app.

00:07:51 ◼   ► - Ridiculous.

00:07:53 ◼   ► - Ridiculous.

00:07:54 ◼   ► Just having that kind of setup at home

00:07:57 ◼   ► would be space consuming and energy consuming.

00:08:01 ◼   ► Here I'm just-- - And cost prohibitive.

00:08:02 ◼   ► - And cost prohibitive.

00:08:04 ◼   ► Here I'm just streaming a video game because I have fiber.

00:08:08 ◼   ► I'm so happy and I'm also very happy

00:08:10 ◼   ► that I preemptively laid cat six ethernet cable everywhere

00:08:16 ◼   ► as I spoke with Steven.

00:08:19 ◼   ► Yeah, it's right now, I am recording at my desk.

00:08:23 ◼   ► I have 935 megabits down

00:08:28 ◼   ► and something like 310 up.

00:08:33 ◼   ► I'm very happy.

00:08:36 ◼   ► It's incredible.

00:08:38 ◼   ► I finally have what I've always wanted.

00:08:39 ◼   ► And yeah, super good.

00:08:43 ◼   ► - That's awesome.

00:08:44 ◼   ► I am very glad about your upload speed because for the last several months,

00:08:49 ◼   ► I've had to wait like half an hour for the file.

00:08:51 ◼   ► Everyone that works at Federico is as happy as Federico.

00:08:55 ◼   ► Yeah. So OTJ and Steven have got a little present here for this.

00:09:01 ◼   ► We definitely do. I want to talk about the Don for a second.

00:09:05 ◼   ► Oh yeah. The Don.

00:09:06 ◼   ► We have stood up relay FM dot social. This is going to be...

00:09:11 ◼   ► Are we still on the Don?

00:09:13 ◼   ► We are on the Don more than ever.

00:09:15 ◼   ► - Don't hit him, baby.

00:09:15 ◼   ► - Did he kick us out?

00:09:16 ◼   ► Okay, cool.

00:09:18 ◼   ► - I'm donning.

00:09:19 ◼   ► - Yeah, he's donning, donning all over the place.

00:09:22 ◼   ► So the show can be found at relayfm.social.

00:09:25 ◼   ► The network is there.

00:09:26 ◼   ► Some of our other shows will be joining

00:09:28 ◼   ► over the next few days.

00:09:29 ◼   ► I'm kind of doing it slowly

00:09:30 ◼   ► because when you migrate it crushes everything for a while.

00:09:33 ◼   ► Everything's very slow.

00:09:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's bad.

00:09:36 ◼   ► - But yeah, Connect is there, MPU is there,

00:09:38 ◼   ► Clockwise and Upgrader are there,

00:09:40 ◼   ► and I'm sure others will join us.

00:09:41 ◼   ► So if you already followed, then you just,

00:09:44 ◼   ► you got moved right along.

00:09:45 ◼   ► So we're excited about this.

00:09:48 ◼   ► And I think it's gonna be, we got some work to do.

00:09:50 ◼   ► There's some things that we wanna do,

00:09:52 ◼   ► like set some webhook stuff up

00:09:54 ◼   ► so the CMS can post when shows go live.

00:09:57 ◼   ► We had that on Twitter.

00:09:58 ◼   ► We don't have that on Mastodon yet.

00:10:00 ◼   ► The master feed is just being served by a,

00:10:02 ◼   ► if this, then that applet.

00:10:04 ◼   ► But we got big plans for this.

00:10:06 ◼   ► And really Federico, like you kind of led the way here.

00:10:10 ◼   ► in setting up your own and getting that going.

00:10:15 ◼   ► - Well, and also doing the, like, what I consider brain,

00:10:21 ◼   ► like manipulation, brainwashing of me

00:10:25 ◼   ► just through app stories.

00:10:26 ◼   ► Like I just multiple episodes of app stories

00:10:29 ◼   ► talking about Mastodon clients

00:10:30 ◼   ► and I'm just like the whole time,

00:10:32 ◼   ► like, maybe this is interesting.

00:10:35 ◼   ► And now here I am.

00:10:36 ◼   ► - Well, I am glad that, although that was not my goal,

00:10:39 ◼   ► I am glad that the outcome was still that.

00:10:42 ◼   ► So.

00:10:43 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:10:44 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:10:45 ◼   ► Very well.

00:10:47 ◼   ► I should consider more brainwashing.

00:10:49 ◼   ► - Hey, I've got to go sign for a piece of furniture.

00:10:51 ◼   ► Can you guys give me like five minutes?

00:10:53 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:10:54 ◼   ► - Okay, I'll be right back.

00:10:55 ◼   ► - Ridiculous.

00:10:56 ◼   ► - You signed for furniture.

00:10:58 ◼   ► - Unbelievable.

00:10:59 ◼   ► Do you think that's code for something?

00:11:03 ◼   ► - I think so.

00:11:04 ◼   ► - Gotta go wink sign for some wink, wink furniture.

00:11:08 ◼   ► - Furniture.

00:11:09 ◼   ► Do you think that means he needs to use the bathroom?

00:11:11 ◼   ► Interesting.

00:11:16 ◼   ► I mean, that's a very elaborate metaphor.

00:11:19 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:11:20 ◼   ► Oh, huh.

00:11:22 ◼   ► Interesting. Interesting.

00:11:24 ◼   ► That's time for some furniture.

00:11:27 ◼   ► You know what I need, Mike?

00:11:30 ◼   ► I need some compact desk light

00:11:36 ◼   ► to bring some color to this desk.

00:11:39 ◼   ► I heard Jon suggest, and it's also my recommendation,

00:11:42 ◼   ► like one of the little hue lamp things.

00:11:44 ◼   ► They have like some small hue lamps.

00:11:46 ◼   ► They have that like tube one and they have the ball one.

00:11:49 ◼   ► There's a tube one.

00:11:51 ◼   ► Oh yeah, baby, but they're not portable.

00:11:54 ◼   ► No, well they are, but they got like this base.

00:11:57 ◼   ► So like it's not.

00:11:58 ◼   ► Ah, the base is fine.

00:11:59 ◼   ► Let me show you.

00:12:00 ◼   ► The base might be too big though.

00:12:03 ◼   ► called gradient,

00:12:05 ◼   ► cygni gradient, s-i-g-n-e.

00:12:08 ◼   ► Oh, they've made the table lamp one much nicer.

00:12:12 ◼   ► - Yeah, the go?

00:12:13 ◼   ► - No, no, no, no, this is something else.

00:12:15 ◼   ► This is something else.

00:12:16 ◼   ► You hold on one moment.

00:12:17 ◼   ► Take a look at that thing.

00:12:19 ◼   ► You might like this.

00:12:20 ◼   ► I make a big one and a little one.

00:12:22 ◼   ► I have the big one.

00:12:23 ◼   ► Steven has the big one too.

00:12:26 ◼   ► But it's like, I feel like aesthetically this fits you.

00:12:32 ◼   ► Yes.

00:12:33 ◼   ► It's like you can shine it at you or at the wall.

00:12:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:39 ◼   ► Yes.

00:12:40 ◼   ► Yes.

00:12:41 ◼   ► I have a black one and a white one.

00:12:42 ◼   ► The small one.

00:12:43 ◼   ► That's what I was thinking of, the small one.

00:12:45 ◼   ► The small one.

00:12:46 ◼   ► Yeah, see, they have a promo photo, which is what I want to do.

00:12:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:51 ◼   ► Shine it at the wall?

00:12:52 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:53 ◼   ► In one of the corners of the desk, shining at the wall.

00:12:57 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:12:58 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:12:59 ◼   ► Now this website's clever, you can tap the scene buttons and it changes.

00:13:03 ◼   ► That's really clever at the top of the website.

00:13:05 ◼   ► That's very smart.

00:13:06 ◼   ► Yeah, Savannah Sunset.

00:13:07 ◼   ► Oh, that's clever.

00:13:08 ◼   ► Nice animation.

00:13:09 ◼   ► There you go.

00:13:10 ◼   ► That might be what you're looking for.

00:13:16 ◼   ► Yeah, okay.

00:13:17 ◼   ► Thanks for the tip.

00:13:18 ◼   ► This small one.

00:13:19 ◼   ► Yeah, because once I get the new desk, I gotta figure out the cable management solution again.

00:13:26 ◼   ► my thought was I am gonna put my audio stuff

00:13:30 ◼   ► and the CalDigit TS4 on top of the drawers, right?

00:13:35 ◼   ► So the cables, they can come out from either

00:13:41 ◼   ► underneath the desk for like my headphones and stuff.

00:13:45 ◼   ► And I also have easy access to it,

00:13:47 ◼   ► but the studio display needs to go down there, right?

00:13:51 ◼   ► So I need to study this.

00:13:54 ◼   ► But if I put this lamp,

00:13:58 ◼   ► I can actually cover the hole with the base of the lamp.

00:14:02 ◼   ► Hmm.

00:14:03 ◼   ► Steven, how was your furniture experience?

00:14:05 ◼   ► It was good.

00:14:05 ◼   ► So you know we bought the sectional,

00:14:09 ◼   ► and then we're like,

00:14:10 ◼   ► oh, the TV table doesn't really go here anymore, so.

00:14:13 ◼   ► New TV table. Placing that.

00:14:15 ◼   ► That all came today.

00:14:15 ◼   ► It came in nine boxes,

00:14:16 ◼   ► so I guess I know what my weekend's gonna be.

00:14:18 ◼   ► What?

00:14:19 ◼   ► How big is it?

00:14:20 ◼   ► It's not big.

00:14:21 ◼   ► Well, you've been in my den.

00:14:22 ◼   ► It's basically the size of what's in there now.

00:14:25 ◼   ► Let's just say you think it's not big,

00:14:27 ◼   ► but it's in nine boxes,

00:14:28 ◼   ► so maybe it's bigger than you thought it was.

00:14:31 ◼   ► Unless it's like small boxes.

00:14:33 ◼   ► None of them were big.

00:14:34 ◼   ► The biggest one was like clearly the top of the piece.

00:14:38 ◼   ► So anyways, sorry.

00:14:39 ◼   ► I just knew they were gonna show up as soon as we recorded.

00:14:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:43 ◼   ► That's how it always works.

00:14:45 ◼   ► We're probably ready to move on to the next topic.

00:14:48 ◼   ► We have a new entrance

00:14:49 ◼   ► into the everything is a computer category.

00:14:52 ◼   ► This is an Apple insider article.

00:14:54 ◼   ► I just wanna read the first sentence of this article.

00:14:58 ◼   ► Apple recently issued a firmware update

00:15:00 ◼   ► for the two meter USB-C to MagSafe 3 charging cable,

00:15:04 ◼   ► but it's unknown what it updates or fixes.

00:15:07 ◼   ► - What's going on over there, man?

00:15:08 ◼   ► - I don't know, but the first comment from John White,

00:15:11 ◼   ► 1001, still hoping for firmware updates

00:15:14 ◼   ► for the Apple polishing cloth.

00:15:16 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:15:17 ◼   ► - That's good, that's actually better

00:15:18 ◼   ► than I thought it was gonna be.

00:15:19 ◼   ► I thought you were gonna say something wild.

00:15:21 ◼   ► - That's a pretty good comment.

00:15:23 ◼   ► - I can't really imagine the comments

00:15:25 ◼   ► on the Apple Insider articles are typically full

00:15:27 ◼   ► of like insightful things.

00:15:29 ◼   ► - Oh, you never know.

00:15:32 ◼   ► - Just gonna say.

00:15:33 ◼   ► - So yeah, apparently this will run at some point

00:15:35 ◼   ► when you are using MagSafe on your MagSafe equipped laptop.

00:15:40 ◼   ► There doesn't seem to be any UI or anything

00:15:42 ◼   ► that tells you what firmware version

00:15:44 ◼   ► of the cable you're running.

00:15:46 ◼   ► - Do you think the cable reboots?

00:15:48 ◼   ► Like, right? Like...

00:15:51 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:15:52 ◼   ► Like what, it just like,

00:15:53 ◼   ► you can replace some firmware that apparently exists

00:15:57 ◼   ► and like nothing changes?

00:15:58 ◼   ► That's super weird, man.

00:15:59 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:16:00 ◼   ► I don't like all of this.

00:16:01 ◼   ► This isn't good.

00:16:02 ◼   ► This doesn't make me feel good.

00:16:04 ◼   ► You know, maybe you're charging

00:16:05 ◼   ► and then just like the little LED,

00:16:08 ◼   ► you know, usually it's green or orange,

00:16:09 ◼   ► but like it turns red for a second

00:16:10 ◼   ► and then it comes back.

00:16:12 ◼   ► Very strange.

00:16:13 ◼   ► Very strange.

00:16:15 ◼   ► We spoke, I think this was in the Pro Show.

00:16:17 ◼   ► I don't remember, but I'm gonna put it here.

00:16:20 ◼   ► K9 Play is listener of the show.

00:16:23 ◼   ► They sent a little ice sculpture,

00:16:26 ◼   ► swan 3D print to me in the PO box.

00:16:29 ◼   ► And they have now put the file up on Thingiverse.

00:16:33 ◼   ► So if you have a 3D printer

00:16:34 ◼   ► and you want to make your own little N ice letter

00:16:38 ◼   ► for connected, you can print one out for yourself.

00:16:42 ◼   ► It's very cool.

00:16:43 ◼   ► - And I would like to read something sent

00:16:45 ◼   ► into filofeedback.com, which is where you can go

00:16:49 ◼   ► to send feedback in for this show.

00:16:51 ◼   ► And it came from Dylan who says,

00:16:53 ◼   ► "Hey boys, I thought I should write in

00:16:55 ◼   ► "to talk about my long thighs."

00:16:57 ◼   ► - No, no. - No.

00:16:59 ◼   ► - I've measured them to be 48 centimeters,

00:17:02 ◼   ► which is 19 inches long.

00:17:04 ◼   ► - Yes, okay. - I couldn't find

00:17:05 ◼   ► any online data on average thigh length.

00:17:08 ◼   ► I mean, I don't know why you couldn't.

00:17:10 ◼   ► But I'm guessing from my height,

00:17:12 ◼   ► my thighs are longer than most.

00:17:14 ◼   ► Do I get a prize for having the longest thighs of anyone in the connected audience?

00:17:19 ◼   ► Maybe the winner can get access to longthigh.social.

00:17:23 ◼   ► In case you were wondering, my height is 2.03 meters or 6 feet 8 inches.

00:17:29 ◼   ► Dylan's a big, big one.

00:17:34 ◼   ► Dylan also included a thigh photo with a tape measure.

00:17:41 ◼   ► So I have a tape measure.

00:17:44 ◼   ► Oh, I don't, but I know I don't have bigger thighs than this.

00:17:47 ◼   ► Can I go grab mine?

00:17:49 ◼   ► Let me get my ruler. Hold on,

00:17:50 ◼   ► I'm just gonna grab my, take my ruler.

00:17:52 ◼   ► So I am six feet tall.

00:17:55 ◼   ► I'm eight inches shorter than Dylan,

00:17:58 ◼   ► which sounds like a lot when you say it that way.

00:18:00 ◼   ► I'm gonna measure my thigh here

00:18:02 ◼   ► and I'm coming in at about 16 inches.

00:18:05 ◼   ► So we're doing this from what?

00:18:07 ◼   ► Like it looks like it's going right into the hip.

00:18:10 ◼   ► Yeah, to the end of the kneecap.

00:18:12 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:18:13 ◼   ► - I'm closer to 17, I think.

00:18:15 ◼   ► - Okay. - 17 inches.

00:18:17 ◼   ► - Let's see.

00:18:18 ◼   ► Let's see, I'm gonna measure how Dylan measures.

00:18:20 ◼   ► - This is terrible.

00:18:21 ◼   ► This is a terrible podcast.

00:18:23 ◼   ► What are we doing?

00:18:24 ◼   ► - Oh man, I have a smaller thigh.

00:18:26 ◼   ► - Well, I mean, that's for sure.

00:18:28 ◼   ► So what are you coming in at?

00:18:30 ◼   ► - 43 centimeters.

00:18:33 ◼   ► - Ah, I'm 42 centimeters.

00:18:35 ◼   ► I was really hoping I was gonna have longer thighs than you.

00:18:37 ◼   ► - No, you're also, you're shorter

00:18:39 ◼   ► and you also have a shorter thigh.

00:18:41 ◼   ► Now, now, now Dylan wins.

00:18:44 ◼   ► - Dylan wins big time,

00:18:45 ◼   ► but Dylan's throwing down the gauntlet, right?

00:18:50 ◼   ► Hey, passionate ones,

00:18:53 ◼   ► do you have bigger, longer thighs than Dylan?

00:18:56 ◼   ► There is an image in the show notes.

00:18:59 ◼   ► If you do, send us an image.

00:19:02 ◼   ► Go to filefeedback.com.

00:19:04 ◼   ► You got to upload the image somewhere and put a link in

00:19:07 ◼   ► 'cause we don't currently have,

00:19:08 ◼   ► I don't know if we ever will have image uploads.

00:19:09 ◼   ► Probably best not to ever have that.

00:19:11 ◼   ► Nope, I don't want that. I don't want that at all.

00:19:13 ◼   ► So you can upload them somewhere and put a URL in.

00:19:16 ◼   ► Dylan used Imgur. Imgur works.

00:19:19 ◼   ► We need this photographic evidence to see if you have a longer thigh than Dylan.

00:19:23 ◼   ► Yes.

00:19:24 ◼   ► You can go to filerfeedback.com or you can submit it.

00:19:28 ◼   ► You know, just click the link in the show notes to send him feedback for the show.

00:19:31 ◼   ► Winner will be known as Longest Thigh.

00:19:34 ◼   ► Who wouldn't want to be known as Longest Thigh?

00:19:37 ◼   ► King Thigh? King Thigh?

00:19:40 ◼   ► Yeah, you can be king thigh.

00:19:42 ◼   ► King thigh.

00:19:43 ◼   ► Chairman thigh.

00:19:44 ◼   ► Chairman thigh.

00:19:45 ◼   ► Thigh chairman.

00:19:46 ◼   ► There we go.

00:19:48 ◼   ► If you would like to be thigh chairman.

00:19:50 ◼   ► His royal thinus.

00:19:52 ◼   ► Hey!

00:19:53 ◼   ► We'll go with their royal thinus, but yes, I love it.

00:19:57 ◼   ► Their royal thinus.

00:19:58 ◼   ► Their royal thinus.

00:20:00 ◼   ► Congratulations Stephen.

00:20:02 ◼   ► You do not take the thinus trophy.

00:20:05 ◼   ► Currently, Dylan is their royal thinus.

00:20:09 ◼   ► Do you have longer thighs? Let us know.

00:20:14 ◼   ► Why is this a podcast?

00:20:15 ◼   ► This is definitely worse than the weirdest listener, right? Remember that, Federico?

00:20:20 ◼   ► This has, what was it? Oh yeah, from the weird places.

00:20:24 ◼   ► Yes, who was like the most remote place and I checked it based on stats from the show.

00:20:30 ◼   ► Was this podcast a mistake?

00:20:32 ◼   ► Not yet.

00:20:33 ◼   ► Is this?

00:20:34 ◼   ► We'll find out in a week.

00:20:35 ◼   ► Is this the worst thing we've ever done?

00:20:38 ◼   ► Probably.

00:20:39 ◼   ► (hums)

00:20:41 ◼   ► Probably.

00:20:42 ◼   ► I'll get back to you on that one.

00:20:42 ◼   ► Okay.

00:20:43 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:20:44 ◼   ► (hums)

00:20:45 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:20:46 ◼   ► That might be worse.

00:20:47 ◼   ► Harmonizing might be worse.

00:20:48 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:20:51 ◼   ► Yeah, okay, okay, all right, all right.

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00:22:41 ◼   ► Roast me daddy!

00:22:42 ◼   ► Yes!

00:22:43 ◼   ► Yes!

00:22:44 ◼   ► Roast me!

00:22:45 ◼   ► Let's roast Apple Watches!

00:22:48 ◼   ► So we have completed a selection of roasts in the past.

00:22:51 ◼   ► macOS docs, macOS menu bars, iPhone home screens, iPad home screens, desks.

00:22:57 ◼   ► We have some other ones in the future.

00:22:59 ◼   ► Today we're roasting Apple Watches.

00:23:02 ◼   ► Okay.

00:23:03 ◼   ► When we were talking about this, I think it started life as we're going to roast watch

00:23:07 ◼   ► faces but really the watch is like a, it's a whole thing, right?

00:23:11 ◼   ► Because you have the fashion part of it.

00:23:13 ◼   ► You have your complications, you have your settings, you have your bands.

00:23:18 ◼   ► So we're going to do it all.

00:23:19 ◼   ► The whole thing.

00:23:21 ◼   ► All nine yards.

00:23:22 ◼   ► The whole kit and caboodle.

00:23:23 ◼   ► The nine yards would be a long thigh.

00:23:25 ◼   ► That would be a very long thigh.

00:23:26 ◼   ► would become their royal thioness of a thioness like that. I have a question. So we have different

00:23:32 ◼   ► things. We have hardware, bands, watch faces, complications, and some settings. Are we going

00:23:37 ◼   ► to... What kind of round robin are we doing here? Are we doing like all me, all Steven,

00:23:44 ◼   ► all Federico? Or are we doing like each one and then round robin of each of those? Like

00:23:50 ◼   ► what are we going to do? Like each area?

00:23:53 ◼   ► I think we do each area.

00:23:55 ◼   ► So like you talk about your hardware, your case, your material, that sort of thing.

00:24:00 ◼   ► And then I'll go, then Federico will go or whatever.

00:24:02 ◼   ► Okay.

00:24:03 ◼   ► So like I'll do hardware, you do hardware, Federico, and then we carry on?

00:24:06 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:07 ◼   ► Do the thing?

00:24:08 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:24:09 ◼   ► Am I starting?

00:24:10 ◼   ► I guess I am based on your image.

00:24:11 ◼   ► Yes.

00:24:12 ◼   ► There's an image in the show notes and I put it in the discord of Mike's watch, my watch,

00:24:16 ◼   ► and Federico's watch.

00:24:17 ◼   ► Federico's band isn't right.

00:24:18 ◼   ► I couldn't find a good image of his color band,

00:24:21 ◼   ► but you know, it's in the ballpark.

00:24:23 ◼   ► - What I want to know is why you chose this order.

00:24:25 ◼   ► 'Cause our typical order is you, me, Federico.

00:24:27 ◼   ► - Is it in thigh order?

00:24:28 ◼   ► - It's in thigh order.

00:24:30 ◼   ► - Should it go in thigh order?

00:24:31 ◼   ► How would it go in thigh order?

00:24:33 ◼   ► Who had the longest thigh?

00:24:34 ◼   ► It was Federico, right?

00:24:35 ◼   ► Even me and Steven are tied.

00:24:38 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:24:39 ◼   ► - You are thighed.

00:24:40 ◼   ► - Thigh order?

00:24:42 ◼   ► - We're thighed.

00:24:42 ◼   ► - The only podcast arranged by thigh order.

00:24:45 ◼   ► But usually, like if we're doing a live show, right?

00:24:47 ◼   ► It's you, me, Federico.

00:24:49 ◼   ► I wanted the ultra in the middle since it was bigger.

00:24:51 ◼   ► I thought it looked kind of balanced and I don't know.

00:24:53 ◼   ► I thought you had the coolest one, didn't you?

00:24:54 ◼   ► So you wanted to put it in the middle.

00:24:56 ◼   ► I do have the coolest watch.

00:24:58 ◼   ► You have the biggest watch, like that's for sure.

00:25:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:25:03 ◼   ► It's the biggest one.

00:25:03 ◼   ► I think I have the most stylish watch.

00:25:06 ◼   ► Well, I mean, if you're into a sort of like vibe,

00:25:08 ◼   ► and you like stainless steel gold.

00:25:10 ◼   ► Like good, like a good one, a good vibe.

00:25:12 ◼   ► Well, let's talk about your vibe.

00:25:13 ◼   ► Tell us about your Apple watch.

00:25:15 ◼   ► I have a gold stainless series 7?

00:25:18 ◼   ► What is that, series 7?

00:25:20 ◼   ► Does anybody know?

00:25:22 ◼   ► Series 7, I took it off, checked.

00:25:24 ◼   ► Is it the new one?

00:25:25 ◼   ► No, that's the series 8.

00:25:26 ◼   ► The new one's the series 8.

00:25:27 ◼   ► Oh, that's what I thought, yeah.

00:25:28 ◼   ► Yeah, so you got the 7.

00:25:30 ◼   ► Yeah, I have a gold 45 millimeter stainless steel

00:25:34 ◼   ► series 7 Apple Watch.

00:25:37 ◼   ► Okay.

00:25:39 ◼   ► With a midnight magnetic band.

00:25:42 ◼   ► Okay, I have not experienced this band.

00:25:46 ◼   ► Can you walk us through it and how it works?

00:25:48 ◼   ► They are really bad.

00:25:50 ◼   ► So when Federico says they're bad,

00:25:51 ◼   ► what he actually means to say is they are the best ones?

00:25:54 ◼   ► Oh, that's what he meant.

00:25:55 ◼   ► I mean, if you hate quality, yeah, they're the best ones.

00:25:58 ◼   ► What are you talking, okay, Federico,

00:26:00 ◼   ► I do have a quick question for you.

00:26:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:26:02 ◼   ► When did you try one of these?

00:26:03 ◼   ► 'Cause I am aware that they used to be bad,

00:26:05 ◼   ► they went away, they came back.

00:26:06 ◼   ► I've got the good ones.

00:26:07 ◼   ► Like, I think it's good, but this was a thing.

00:26:10 ◼   ► I tried it, I don't know, three years ago

00:26:12 ◼   ► four years ago, like in the first two years of the watch.

00:26:16 ◼   ► I genuinely, I think it might be better because I remember it was like a thing, people didn't

00:26:21 ◼   ► like it.

00:26:22 ◼   ► I kept thinking that the watch was tapping me and it wasn't the watch tapping me, it

00:26:26 ◼   ► was the band moving.

00:26:28 ◼   ► I mean, sometimes the band for me only ever moves when I make it move, like it doesn't

00:26:33 ◼   ► move on its own, but I understand how it could, mine doesn't, which makes me think that maybe

00:26:37 ◼   ► they made this a bit better.

00:26:38 ◼   ► I do think this band went away and then they brought it back and I wonder if they made

00:26:43 ◼   ► it better.

00:26:44 ◼   ► Because I love it.

00:26:45 ◼   ► Like it.

00:26:46 ◼   ► I was really hesitant of it when I bought it.

00:26:49 ◼   ► Like I liked the look because I wanted I wanted a leather strap with my watch, but I didn't

00:26:55 ◼   ► want to get one of the buckle ones like I don't like apples buckle ones.

00:26:59 ◼   ► So I was like, well, I'll give it a go.

00:27:01 ◼   ► But I was convinced it was going to come off like it would just it would just come off

00:27:05 ◼   ► and it has never happened to me.

00:27:06 ◼   ► The watch has never come off and I have a way of adjusting it.

00:27:11 ◼   ► Like if I flex my wrist specifically, if it's on too tight, I can get it to knock by one.

00:27:15 ◼   ► But I can't recall it happening to me without like unexpectedly because then I would think

00:27:20 ◼   ► my watch was falling off and this like isn't a thing that I feel.

00:27:24 ◼   ► I love this band.

00:27:25 ◼   ► I like that it's really adjustable and it's adjustable easily and it doesn't get caught

00:27:32 ◼   ► on things and get pulled off.

00:27:34 ◼   ► It's a great band and I think that the pairing of it is really nice.

00:27:37 ◼   ► I wanted a leather band because I wanted it to kind of feel and look like a regular watch

00:27:44 ◼   ► as much as was possible, which is also one of the reasons that I went with gold because

00:27:48 ◼   ► I wanted it to add on them.

00:27:49 ◼   ► I said this before, I don't like the design of the Apple Watch in general.

00:27:53 ◼   ► I think that it's pretty ugly and I think now it's really old looking.

00:27:59 ◼   ► It's why I am intrigued by Steven's monstrosity that he has on his wrist.

00:28:04 ◼   ► Because it looks different, right?

00:28:05 ◼   ► Like the sides and the overall profile and design.

00:28:09 ◼   ► So you know, but it's, I think it's too, it's too big and too like gnarly, you know, like

00:28:15 ◼   ► especially that thing going on on the side, it's like pretty aggressive.

00:28:19 ◼   ► So I really hope Apple will change the design of the watch at some point because I can't

00:28:23 ◼   ► believe it's been like we are hurtling towards a decade with this same visual

00:28:30 ◼   ► design yeah and I think that that's wild but yes I have the the most stylish as

00:28:36 ◼   ► they would call it. The gold and I know you like the gold you have the gold

00:28:39 ◼   ► stainless phone it just it's kind of like a Miami Vice vibe to me like you

00:28:45 ◼   ► need a white sports jacket and drive like an 80s Lamborghini maybe do

00:28:51 ◼   ► cocaine on the golf course? I don't know. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, the one

00:28:58 ◼   ► thing that sticks out to me is that like this is the watch for someone who likes

00:29:03 ◼   ► to say "oh I know how to read analog watch faces". We're not talking about the

00:29:08 ◼   ► watch face yet. Pause that. Watch face later, alright? We'll come back to that.

00:29:15 ◼   ► You and your computers and your wrists, you know what I'm saying? I mean it's

00:29:19 ◼   ► literally that it's it is a computer like your knee this is not you got the

00:29:24 ◼   ► gold one because you thought it was a Rolex or something this is not a Rolex

00:29:27 ◼   ► it's not only Rolex is coming gold do you trust me trust me I know this thing

00:29:32 ◼   ► ain't a Rolex screen not a Rolex you know what I'm saying mr. rich guy

00:29:41 ◼   ► playing golf with these multiple gold watches I'm sorry I have one I have one

00:29:47 ◼   ► gold watch is this one. Do you use cellular on your Apple watch? No because

00:29:53 ◼   ► I have had an issue with my carrier and it will not transfer and I don't want to

00:30:02 ◼   ► call them. If it was fixed magically would you use cellular on the Apple

00:30:09 ◼   ► watch? Like do you see is there a place for that in your life? I don't even know

00:30:13 ◼   ► what that would mean though you know what I mean like I mean if it uses

00:30:16 ◼   ► this cellular I'll use cellular like you saying like would I leave my phone at

00:30:19 ◼   ► home and go out and no I wouldn't do that. Not me neither. Because currently the

00:30:23 ◼   ► microphone doesn't work on my Apple watch so I'd be kind of screwed.

00:30:26 ◼   ► Interesting what happened there? Don't know. It just doesn't work. I have no idea. I have no I

00:30:34 ◼   ► genuinely have no idea what's happened but the microphone does not work on my

00:30:38 ◼   ► Apple watch unless I really shout into it like if I get right up on the watch

00:30:43 ◼   ► and like shout at Siri then it will do what I asked.

00:30:45 ◼   ► Honestly that may be a feature.

00:30:47 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:30:48 ◼   ► That may be an improvement.

00:30:49 ◼   ► Yeah but no because Siri still gets triggered

00:30:52 ◼   ► by like me pressing the digital crown by accident

00:30:55 ◼   ► and it's just like what did you say?

00:30:57 ◼   ► Right like it's just--

00:30:58 ◼   ► The crown guard helps with that hugely I will say.

00:31:02 ◼   ► Yeah but then you just get in this huge crown guard

00:31:04 ◼   ► digging into your hand.

00:31:05 ◼   ► That's true.

00:31:06 ◼   ► You know I told y'all I tried wearing it the reverse way,

00:31:10 ◼   ► that didn't last, it's back to the--

00:31:12 ◼   ► - 'Cause that's silly.

00:31:13 ◼   ► - It's a good way to wear it the reverse way.

00:31:15 ◼   ► - Trying to think of other questions I have

00:31:16 ◼   ► for your hardware.

00:31:17 ◼   ► How's the battery life?

00:31:18 ◼   ► You're a year and a half into this one.

00:31:20 ◼   ► How's that holding up?

00:31:22 ◼   ► - It's the only thing that I think is starting

00:31:24 ◼   ► to crumble on me a bit.

00:31:28 ◼   ► Like if I have a day with like, say like two workouts

00:31:31 ◼   ► or whatever.

00:31:32 ◼   ► - Oh, poof.

00:31:32 ◼   ► - Oh, look, a busy guy.

00:31:33 ◼   ► - Then I'm like, that thing can't handle it.

00:31:37 ◼   ► Like comes to the end of the day.

00:31:39 ◼   ► - If I go for a swim and then play a quick 18 holes,

00:31:41 ◼   ► my gold watch dies.

00:31:43 ◼   ► I could play some,

00:31:44 ◼   ► once I'm finished with racquetball and golf,

00:31:47 ◼   ► it's over, you know what I mean?

00:31:49 ◼   ► After being in the sauna for an hour

00:31:52 ◼   ► and you got the golf and the racquetball,

00:31:54 ◼   ► it's like, oh, I can't handle it.

00:31:55 ◼   ► That poor leather strap is going through a lot of moisture.

00:31:59 ◼   ► The leather strap is not,

00:32:01 ◼   ► has not lived very well over the last couple of years.

00:32:05 ◼   ► Like the inside leather has worn a little bit.

00:32:08 ◼   ► The outside's great,

00:32:09 ◼   ► but the inside has kind of worn away a bit, which is,

00:32:12 ◼   ► I do, I will say on the battery though,

00:32:14 ◼   ► the low power mode on the Apple Watch is incredible.

00:32:17 ◼   ► Like when you get to like 10% and turn on low power mode,

00:32:21 ◼   ► how long it lasts is awesome.

00:32:23 ◼   ► Like that was a good feature that they added

00:32:25 ◼   ► rather than that stupid feature they had before

00:32:27 ◼   ► where you would turn it into that mode

00:32:28 ◼   ► where it just have the silly green clock

00:32:30 ◼   ► and the red lightning bolt on it.

00:32:32 ◼   ► It's just like, this is useless to me.

00:32:34 ◼   ► Can I be released?

00:32:35 ◼   ► - I think so.

00:32:36 ◼   ► - I think so, yeah.

00:32:38 ◼   ► Alright, Steven, what's going on, man?

00:32:40 ◼   ► This watch is awesome.

00:32:41 ◼   ► How much do you want people to notice you?

00:32:42 ◼   ► Like at what point?

00:32:43 ◼   ► Like are you just...

00:32:44 ◼   ► Look at me, look at me, I got the new giant watch and an orange!

00:32:47 ◼   ► Orange, orange, orange, orange.

00:32:49 ◼   ► Like we had this whole conversation on this show where you were like, "I think I've got

00:32:54 ◼   ► to stop wearing the orange watch band because people keep asking me about it."

00:32:58 ◼   ► It's true.

00:32:59 ◼   ► And now miraculously, were you upset no one was asking you about your watch anymore?

00:33:03 ◼   ► Do you do this because you feel like you have a particularly attractive wrist?

00:33:09 ◼   ► I think they're okay.

00:33:10 ◼   ► Ah, he wants to show it off.

00:33:11 ◼   ► It's like, "Hey, check out my tattoos."

00:33:13 ◼   ► Yeah, "Check out my wrist."

00:33:15 ◼   ► And just that body part.

00:33:17 ◼   ► Like, "Hey, take a look at this."

00:33:18 ◼   ► "Look at that, look at that, Mr. Nice Wrist Guy."

00:33:21 ◼   ► Mr. Nice Wrist Guy.

00:33:23 ◼   ► He just like pulls up his sleeve a little bit like, "Oh, oh, so I happen to see my wrist?"

00:33:27 ◼   ► Yeah, just pokes out of there.

00:33:29 ◼   ► I rotate between the three Apple Watch bands.

00:33:32 ◼   ► So the Trail Loop, Alpine Loop and the Ocean Band.

00:33:37 ◼   ► Big Apple Watch buddy over here.

00:33:39 ◼   ► What, aren't they like $70 each, these Ultra Bands?

00:33:42 ◼   ► We're not talking about that.

00:33:42 ◼   ► He's just buying all the Ultra Bands now.

00:33:45 ◼   ► Like, oh, look at me and my titanium lugs.

00:33:48 ◼   ► Yeah, here's the thing.

00:33:50 ◼   ► The two cloth ones have not held up well.

00:33:53 ◼   ► So I'm wearing the Trail Loop today

00:33:55 ◼   ► and the Trail Loop's the most comfortable.

00:33:57 ◼   ► That's the one that's got like the velcro on the inside of it where the velcro attaches

00:34:01 ◼   ► It's like slowly coming apart like every time I take it off. There's like fuzz in there where it's like losing

00:34:08 ◼   ► Material which is very concerning, huh?

00:34:12 ◼   ► It's also the and this is true for the the orange, you know kind of the main band as well

00:34:18 ◼   ► the orange gets stained really easily and is very hard to keep clean and

00:34:26 ◼   ► Keep it looking nice like the orange pull tab on the band

00:34:29 ◼   ► I'm wearing today is like got like black lines all over it and I can like scrub it

00:34:34 ◼   ► But then it is dirty again in like three days. So I don't I don't love that about either of these bands

00:34:40 ◼   ► Yeah, the ocean band I got in white. I really like yeah, I found it really comfortable

00:34:46 ◼   ► Because it's rubbery. It's like easy to keep clean. It's made of very similar stuff like the regular sports band, I think

00:34:53 ◼   ► But it's bulkier and so like if I have a long sleeve shirt on with like tight

00:34:57 ◼   ► You know like a like a dress shirt or something with kind of nice sleeves

00:35:01 ◼   ► The ocean band kind of gets in the way a little bit because it's just a little bit

00:35:05 ◼   ► bulkier, but I do rotate between them and I do I do like the size the battery life on this watch is

00:35:11 ◼   ► It's just it's unlike any other Apple watch. I mean even with sleep tracking and working out like you can go two days

00:35:20 ◼   ► really easily. Like I never worry about the battery life.

00:35:24 ◼   ► I mean it's the size of a toaster, so like you want it to have a decent battery.

00:35:28 ◼   ► Federico, did you know that Steven lived near the ocean?

00:35:31 ◼   ► Wait, what?

00:35:31 ◼   ► Well I mean he has like this ocean band, like I'm only assuming that he's scubaing.

00:35:37 ◼   ► Well the Mississippi River is pretty close.

00:35:39 ◼   ► Yeah, and you get in there frequently do you? How's that doing for you?

00:35:43 ◼   ► No, no. You do not want to get in the Mississippi River.

00:35:45 ◼   ► You're in like that brown river you've got going on over there?

00:35:48 ◼   ► Yeah, you do not want to get in the Mississippi River.

00:35:52 ◼   ► But yeah, it's a look, right? Like it is definitely a look, but I dig it, and I hope that

00:36:01 ◼   ► more stuff uses titanium and looks like this in the future.

00:36:04 ◼   ► And your extreme sports career is going well?

00:36:10 ◼   ► Have you gone on many adventures with this yet? Is it scuffed because of the adventures?

00:36:16 ◼   ► Yeah, I went to Whole Foods and I was fine.

00:36:18 ◼   ► You know, I had dropped waypoints around the store.

00:36:22 ◼   ► What about in like the cold temperatures of the freezer aisle?

00:36:25 ◼   ► How did that do for you there?

00:36:26 ◼   ► Did the Apple Watch hold up?

00:36:27 ◼   ► It was great. Yeah, it really held up well.

00:36:29 ◼   ► That's really excellent. I'm very pleased to hear that.

00:36:32 ◼   ► Did you happen to use the GPS satellite emergency at any point?

00:36:36 ◼   ► Like maybe you got lost from your wife or something

00:36:38 ◼   ► and like you weren't sure where to go.

00:36:40 ◼   ► I did.

00:36:41 ◼   ► I said, "Please find my spouse.

00:36:43 ◼   ► I'm lost in the aisle with the jelly and the almond butter and stuff.

00:36:47 ◼   ► They came and got me.

00:36:48 ◼   ► When you wear this watch and you're just living your everyday life, do you feel inadequate?

00:36:52 ◼   ► Like you're not doing enough with it?

00:36:55 ◼   ► No.

00:36:56 ◼   ► Does it make you feel like you don't do enough extreme sports?

00:36:59 ◼   ► No.

00:37:00 ◼   ► As you're currently doing what I think is maybe the most indoor activity anyone could

00:37:06 ◼   ► ever do, which is walking on a treadmill desk.

00:37:08 ◼   ► We weren't going to bring that up today.

00:37:11 ◼   ► not be further away from extreme, right? Like you are walking very slowly on a treadmill

00:37:18 ◼   ► underneath your desk while you're reading, I don't know, old Apple press releases.

00:37:22 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah. If I were you, Steven, I would feel like I'm letting Tim Cook down.

00:37:27 ◼   ► Yeah, you are letting him down actually. You should feel that way because you are. He built

00:37:33 ◼   ► that so you could go climb a mountain and instead you're just like...

00:37:37 ◼   ► He built that to prevent people from dying.

00:37:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:37:41 ◼   ► And all you're doing is walking in your office.

00:37:43 ◼   ► How does that feel really?

00:37:44 ◼   ► Is it good?

00:37:45 ◼   ► I feel like this turned more into a roast of me

00:37:47 ◼   ► than my Apple Watch.

00:37:48 ◼   ► You started it.

00:37:49 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:37:51 ◼   ► You really did start it.

00:37:52 ◼   ► You know, I've been waiting,

00:37:53 ◼   ► I've been sitting here fighting my time.

00:37:55 ◼   ► I've got the--

00:37:58 ◼   ► Very orange.

00:37:58 ◼   ► I've got the action button set to the flashlight.

00:38:01 ◼   ► That seemed to be the most useful.

00:38:02 ◼   ► You find yourself looking for many things in the dark?

00:38:05 ◼   ► I did it just the other night.

00:38:07 ◼   ► So the other night we had--

00:38:08 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, because you wake up many times a night.

00:38:11 ◼   ► - He's gonna use the bathroom, you know what I mean?

00:38:13 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:38:15 ◼   ► - But we had our fire pit going the other night

00:38:16 ◼   ► and I needed to get some firewood

00:38:18 ◼   ► and then have my phone on me.

00:38:19 ◼   ► It was like dark back there.

00:38:21 ◼   ► I didn't wanna like stick my hand in that.

00:38:22 ◼   ► - You had the fire going?

00:38:23 ◼   ► - Well, the fire was going,

00:38:24 ◼   ► but the pile of firewood is behind my office.

00:38:29 ◼   ► And it's dark back there at night.

00:38:31 ◼   ► I don't wanna stick my hands in there

00:38:32 ◼   ► and there'd be like a animal or something.

00:38:34 ◼   ► And so I just hit the action button

00:38:36 ◼   ► And I felt real hardcore and I used it

00:38:38 ◼   ► and I got my firewood and then I was saved.

00:38:42 ◼   ► That's really good.

00:38:43 ◼   ► Were you sent in GPS way markers

00:38:45 ◼   ► when you were going to get the firewood just in case?

00:38:47 ◼   ► Just in case, yeah.

00:38:48 ◼   ► Which way's the pot cabin?

00:38:50 ◼   ► Put the siren on, so you scare away the pins.

00:38:52 ◼   ► What kind of animals were you scared of?

00:38:53 ◼   ► Like possums?

00:38:55 ◼   ► Like what?

00:38:57 ◼   ► There have been possums.

00:38:59 ◼   ► They're pretty scary, man.

00:39:00 ◼   ► Possums are messed up.

00:39:01 ◼   ► Those things are, yeah.

00:39:01 ◼   ► They have the sharp teeth, right?

00:39:04 ◼   ► They do.

00:39:05 ◼   ► Yeah, they're no good, man.

00:39:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, you know, there could be snakes back there.

00:39:10 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:39:11 ◼   ► - Fiber snakes.

00:39:12 ◼   ► - Shall we do mine?

00:39:15 ◼   ► Let's do mine.

00:39:16 ◼   ► - Basic energy coming in here.

00:39:18 ◼   ► - Look at this, look at this basic thing, okay?

00:39:21 ◼   ► - You didn't even pick an Apple Watch.

00:39:23 ◼   ► You just got the most basic aluminum silver watch.

00:39:29 ◼   ► - Yeah, yes, yes.

00:39:31 ◼   ► - I will have one Apple Watch, please.

00:39:33 ◼   ► - And they said, here is the default.

00:39:36 ◼   ► Like, yeah, like I don't even want to think it like,

00:39:40 ◼   ► if I were you, like I would roast myself right now.

00:39:45 ◼   ► This is so boring.

00:39:46 ◼   ► I despise myself for doing this.

00:39:51 ◼   ► - It's bad, man.

00:39:52 ◼   ► - I got a basic Apple Watch.

00:39:54 ◼   ► So I got an aluminum Series 7.

00:39:58 ◼   ► So not even the latest one.

00:39:59 ◼   ► It could be like, well, it's a basic one,

00:40:01 ◼   ► but at least it got the Series 8.

00:40:03 ◼   ► No, it's a Series 7, aluminum, like I cheaped out real bad.

00:40:08 ◼   ► What's this, what are the sizes now?

00:40:10 ◼   ► 44, 45, no, 45 is the ultra.

00:40:13 ◼   ► 44?

00:40:14 ◼   ► - 49 is the ultra.

00:40:16 ◼   ► - 49?

00:40:17 ◼   ► - 165 is the ultra.

00:40:19 ◼   ► - 49?

00:40:20 ◼   ► No, it can't be 49.

00:40:21 ◼   ► Really?

00:40:22 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's their royal finest of the Apple Watch world.

00:40:24 ◼   ► - Oh my God.

00:40:25 ◼   ► So I get the 45, I guess.

00:40:28 ◼   ► What do I have?

00:40:28 ◼   ► I don't even know what I have.

00:40:30 ◼   ► See the thing? - It's written on the back.

00:40:31 ◼   ► Take it off and look on the back.

00:40:32 ◼   ► No, can I?

00:40:33 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:40:34 ◼   ► I think it's 45.

00:40:38 ◼   ► 40?

00:40:41 ◼   ► Five, yeah, 45.

00:40:43 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:40:44 ◼   ► So my thing with the Apple Watch is that

00:40:46 ◼   ► I don't have a specific use case for it.

00:40:50 ◼   ► I just like it for notifications

00:40:54 ◼   ► and playback control mostly,

00:40:57 ◼   ► and the heart rate stuff, obviously, like just feeling safe.

00:41:01 ◼   ► So I spent many years with the cellular one.

00:41:04 ◼   ► I never used the cellular stuff because let's be real.

00:41:08 ◼   ► I never leave my house without my phone.

00:41:10 ◼   ► Like I need to have my phone.

00:41:12 ◼   ► I just don't feel safe without it.

00:41:14 ◼   ► And so I figured, you know,

00:41:17 ◼   ► and these watches they're easier to resell.

00:41:20 ◼   ► If you get the cheaper one and you want to sell it

00:41:22 ◼   ► to somebody else.

00:41:23 ◼   ► - You lose less money, that's for sure.

00:41:26 ◼   ► Resale on the Apple Watch is miserable.

00:41:28 ◼   ► Unless you so happened to own a white ceramic Apple watch.

00:41:34 ◼   ► Yeah, you made bank on that, didn't you?

00:41:35 ◼   ► I think I might have made profit, to be honest, when I sold that thing.

00:41:40 ◼   ► I don't so happen to have one.

00:41:42 ◼   ► [laughter]

00:41:44 ◼   ► And, uh, yes, I figured, you know, I'm gonna get the cheap one with a basic sport band.

00:41:51 ◼   ► And so the screenshot is wrong, but I have like a rubber sport band, like the regular.

00:42:00 ◼   ► What is it called?

00:42:01 ◼   ► Sport band?

00:42:02 ◼   ► Sport band.

00:42:03 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:42:04 ◼   ► Stone.

00:42:05 ◼   ► The color is called stone or...

00:42:06 ◼   ► Is it sand or stone?

00:42:07 ◼   ► I think it's stone.

00:42:08 ◼   ► It is stone.

00:42:09 ◼   ► Adina has that and she loves it.

00:42:10 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:42:11 ◼   ► But you can't get it anymore.

00:42:12 ◼   ► It looks nice.

00:42:13 ◼   ► You can't get it anymore.

00:42:14 ◼   ► It looks nice.

00:42:15 ◼   ► But yeah, the thing is, then when they announced the Series 8, I was like, "Do I need to get

00:42:21 ◼   ► the Series 8 and I figured I didn't so I kept the 7 but like Mike I am starting

00:42:29 ◼   ► to see the battery life get worse and I was just telling this to Siva like 30

00:42:34 ◼   ► minutes ago it's like man I just got a notification for the low battery alert

00:42:39 ◼   ► again and it's happening more frequently so I'm gonna get the 9 I guess later

00:42:44 ◼   ► this year when they do it but yeah it's it's it's a boring watch honestly like I

00:42:48 ◼   ► I don't know, you guys are right. Please roast me.

00:42:51 ◼   ► It's bad.

00:42:52 ◼   ► People can choose this watch if they want to, right?

00:42:54 ◼   ► And that can be your thing.

00:42:55 ◼   ► But I know that this isn't your thing.

00:42:57 ◼   ► Like, I know silver Aluminium Apple Watch,

00:43:00 ◼   ► it's not, that's not your thing.

00:43:03 ◼   ► No, no.

00:43:04 ◼   ► You used to have like titanium, right?

00:43:06 ◼   ► Like you were one of those people.

00:43:07 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:43:08 ◼   ► I used to have stainless steel.

00:43:10 ◼   ► I used to have that.

00:43:11 ◼   ► I know, I know.

00:43:13 ◼   ► It's a watch that reflects, I guess,

00:43:16 ◼   ► the fact that I was busy doing other things in my life,

00:43:19 ◼   ► it's like, no, I just need something simple and basic.

00:43:23 ◼   ► I don't know, I wanted to be basic for a while,

00:43:25 ◼   ► but the basic vibe does not suit me well, I think,

00:43:28 ◼   ► because I'm not basic as a person, you know?

00:43:31 ◼   ► - Well, your watch choice would suggest you are.

00:43:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's bad, it's bad.

00:43:38 ◼   ► Something I need to change. - It's pretty basic.

00:43:39 ◼   ► - It's basic.

00:43:40 ◼   ► - 'Cause you effectively got a silver Apple Watch

00:43:44 ◼   ► and a white sport mat.

00:43:45 ◼   ► That's effectively what you have.

00:43:47 ◼   ► It's pretty...

00:43:49 ◼   ► If you had the blue, do you remember like the original blue?

00:43:52 ◼   ► That is like maybe the most basic, right?

00:43:54 ◼   ► Yeah, the underscore blue band.

00:43:56 ◼   ► Because that was just like, everyone had that.

00:43:58 ◼   ► Like, that was just, everybody had that.

00:44:00 ◼   ► Yeah, it's bad, really bad.

00:44:03 ◼   ► Okay, very basic, very simple.

00:44:07 ◼   ► Very basic.

00:44:08 ◼   ► Very simple.

00:44:08 ◼   ► We really run the whole gamut over the three of us, to be honest.

00:44:12 ◼   ► I think so.

00:44:12 ◼   ► Who would have thought I would have been the most extra?

00:44:14 ◼   ► Didn't see that coming.

00:44:16 ◼   ► - I would have.

00:44:17 ◼   ► If you've seen what you drive.

00:44:19 ◼   ► - Pickup truck?

00:44:20 ◼   ► - Hmm, good point.

00:44:22 ◼   ► It's pretty extra, to be honest.

00:44:24 ◼   ► - It's loud.

00:44:25 ◼   ► I'll give it that. - That's extra.

00:44:27 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:44:28 ◼   ► - Oh yeah, no, I got wheels and--

00:44:31 ◼   ► - Lights.

00:44:32 ◼   ► - Lights and a lift kit and an exhaust.

00:44:34 ◼   ► Someone in Discord burned me down the other day

00:44:36 ◼   ► 'cause we were talking about like our next like DIY project

00:44:40 ◼   ► or something in Discord and someone was like,

00:44:41 ◼   ► "Did you ever fix the antenna on your truck?"

00:44:43 ◼   ► It's like, no, but I talked about it on a show

00:44:45 ◼   ► like two years ago that I broke it off

00:44:47 ◼   ► and so I fixed it.

00:44:49 ◼   ► I have all the parts, but haven't gotten to it.

00:44:52 ◼   ► I've been too busy, you know, swapping watch bands.

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00:46:46 ◼   ► about watch faces. Mike you're up. I use the Metropolitan watch face. Of course you

00:46:53 ◼   ► do. It's nice, it's nice. What do you mean of course? I live in a big city, we have electricity and plumbing.

00:46:59 ◼   ► Live in a big city. It's just what it's called, it's got nothing to do with anything.

00:47:04 ◼   ► in the city with with you know and I know how to read an analog watchpiece.

00:47:10 ◼   ► I get healthcare. I am so fancy, I am so educated, I know how the clock hands move and what numbers

00:47:16 ◼   ► mean even without seeing numbers. Honestly I'm not gonna take a roast if I know how to read the time.

00:47:24 ◼   ► No, really? This one isn't gonna settle with me to be honest. You can feel free to go for it but

00:47:30 ◼   ► like I'm fine with that. It's no problem.

00:47:35 ◼   ► Yeah. When you glance down and you see those clock hands moving and you can just get,

00:47:40 ◼   ► what do you feel about constantly guessing the time instead of seeing the numbers?

00:47:47 ◼   ► But I am seeing the time.

00:47:49 ◼   ► No, you're guessing the numbers because how can you tell really if it's 46 or 47?

00:47:55 ◼   ► Because it points at it.

00:47:56 ◼   ► No, it doesn't.

00:47:57 ◼   ► I can see that it's.

00:47:59 ◼   ► Everything about analog clocks is so primitive. I don't understand why people

00:48:05 ◼   ► keep using them. Just have numbers. Because this is the most attractive. You

00:48:11 ◼   ► two, your watches will get to it. But that to me, terrible. I can't handle it. The

00:48:18 ◼   ► way it looks is so bad. But anyway, my watch face is very attractive. I find

00:48:24 ◼   ► myself always annoyed by the way the transition between always on and on. So I

00:48:28 ◼   ► I always have to choose like a dark color

00:48:31 ◼   ► because the transition is too much.

00:48:34 ◼   ► Like I don't know why they can't just like,

00:48:36 ◼   ► they found a way to do this on the iPhone, right?

00:48:38 ◼   ► - No, I would argue they don't.

00:48:40 ◼   ► They didn't on the iPhone.

00:48:41 ◼   ► In fact, I use dark mode on my phone all the time,

00:48:44 ◼   ► partially because I don't like the way the lock screen

00:48:46 ◼   ► like comes to life in light mode.

00:48:49 ◼   ► It's too much, it's too much.

00:48:51 ◼   ► Too much, Jerry! - I don't know about light mode.

00:48:52 ◼   ► I use dark mode all the time.

00:48:53 ◼   ► But my point is like when my iPhone goes into always on mode

00:48:58 ◼   ► and it's an image, it just dims the colors.

00:49:02 ◼   ► But with the Apple Watch, it completely changes the color.

00:49:08 ◼   ► And so it goes gray in always on mode.

00:49:11 ◼   ► And then when it's on, it will change to whatever color

00:49:13 ◼   ► you've set it to.

00:49:14 ◼   ► So I have to change it to--

00:49:16 ◼   ► I have mine in the gray color, because it's the only color

00:49:19 ◼   ► that the transition isn't too harsh.

00:49:23 ◼   ► Because I would maybe like this in a white or something,

00:49:26 ◼   ► 'cause I have like a nice white on this watch face.

00:49:28 ◼   ► But yeah, I have it and I have the style

00:49:31 ◼   ► where I get like few numbers

00:49:34 ◼   ► and it's nice and comfortable.

00:49:35 ◼   ► I like the red hand, like second hand.

00:49:38 ◼   ► I like the--

00:49:39 ◼   ► Can you change that on Metropolitan?

00:49:41 ◼   ► I do not think you can though.

00:49:42 ◼   ► I think on Utility,

00:49:44 ◼   ► which is like the first good analog watch face,

00:49:47 ◼   ► you could change the second hand

00:49:49 ◼   ► and it was fun to change it to like match your band,

00:49:51 ◼   ► but they've kind of dialed that back over the years.

00:49:55 ◼   ► get it, they dialed it. Yeah. Watch face. Yeah. It took you a minute to... Oh, you know

00:50:02 ◼   ► what? I've actually just played around with this. They may have changed it. Some colors

00:50:05 ◼   ► don't change too much between the always-on mode or not. That's good. Unfortunately, a

00:50:09 ◼   ► lot of the colors that they have are bad. But I'm gonna keep the gray for now. Do you

00:50:13 ◼   ► have any alternative watch faces? Or is it always this one? I mean, I have them, I don't

00:50:19 ◼   ► use them. They're like ones I've used to use. You know, like the one that I'm sure will

00:50:23 ◼   ► really upset Federico which is the GMT face I think I used to use that one in Upset. Oh my god.

00:50:27 ◼   ► Yeah no one knows how that one works. No I know how it works uh but oh you're so good I just know

00:50:33 ◼   ► I have a watch that's like I mean we've had this conversation before I have a watch that does that

00:50:37 ◼   ► so I had to learn how to use that watch uh when I got the watch and now I know how the Apple one.

00:50:43 ◼   ► Metropolitan indeed. Okay. That would make me a world traveler. Do we want to talk about

00:50:49 ◼   ► complications now? Yeah sure if you want to I mean we're already on mine so okay

00:50:55 ◼   ► I can tell you what I got top left is Carrot Weather, top right is Fantastic

00:50:58 ◼   ► Owl, bottom right is Timery, bottom left is Fitness or Activity or whatever it's

00:51:05 ◼   ► called now. The calendar one in particular stands out to me actually

00:51:10 ◼   ► I talked about this on MPU I think I don't like Fantastic Owls calendar

00:51:15 ◼   ► widgets on the iPhone. I also don't really like their complications. I think

00:51:20 ◼   ► the text is too big. Look how big "in 14 minutes" is compared to all other texts

00:51:24 ◼   ► on your watch. It's too big. Yeah, but I want to know that information. You got a

00:51:30 ◼   ► meeting in 14 minutes! 14 minutes guys! Yeah, but that's that's important

00:51:35 ◼   ► information. But as Federico rightly points out, I don't know when 14 minutes

00:51:39 ◼   ► is gonna be because you know what I mean? Like who knows how long it is when you're

00:51:42 ◼   ► looking at that on the watch. Who knows? I will say the Apple watch has made me

00:51:46 ◼   ► change how I name calendar events where I assumed that end of that phrase is

00:51:53 ◼   ► like has someone's name in it right? Yeah. So what I do now say that mine was like

00:51:58 ◼   ► meeting with Anthony I would change it to Anthony meeting. How did you know that?

00:52:03 ◼   ► Is that his name? Yeah. I didn't know. How did you do that? I had no idea. Have you hacked me?

00:52:11 ◼   ► (laughs)

00:52:13 ◼   ► Take that advanced data protection.

00:52:16 ◼   ► That's ridiculous.

00:52:17 ◼   ► That's hilarious. How did you do that?

00:52:19 ◼   ► I just picked a name out of the air.

00:52:21 ◼   ► Or out of my calendar.

00:52:22 ◼   ► But I have changed my event names to be short

00:52:27 ◼   ► and to be kind of front loaded with detail.

00:52:29 ◼   ► And I find that to be helpful on the watch.

00:52:31 ◼   ► Let me ask you this, Mike.

00:52:33 ◼   ► I'm still thinking about the analog watch face, I'm sorry.

00:52:36 ◼   ► Do you have a kitchen scale?

00:52:38 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:52:39 ◼   ► Does it have a display?

00:52:40 ◼   ► Yes, a digital display.

00:52:41 ◼   ► Okay, so when you put stuff on it, quickly it tells you the number.

00:52:45 ◼   ► I need the precision, yeah.

00:52:47 ◼   ► Yeah, and you can glance at it and it's...

00:52:48 ◼   ► I saw... When do I need to know the precision?

00:52:53 ◼   ► You know what I've got actually? What you don't have?

00:52:56 ◼   ► I can see in seconds when it's about to become a minute, right?

00:52:59 ◼   ► You have to sit and wait.

00:53:01 ◼   ► Like, "Oh, how many seconds until the minute changes?"

00:53:03 ◼   ► Like when you've got an embargo, right?

00:53:05 ◼   ► You're just looking at your watch and you're waiting for the number to change

00:53:08 ◼   ► and you click the button.

00:53:09 ◼   ► I get a countdown.

00:53:10 ◼   ► Sometimes I click before.

00:53:12 ◼   ► What are they going to do, sue me?

00:53:13 ◼   ► No.

00:53:15 ◼   ► No, no they're not.

00:53:21 ◼   ► Look, I'm in agreement with you that like there are certain things

00:53:25 ◼   ► I would need precision for, right?

00:53:27 ◼   ► But like for me, time,

00:53:28 ◼   ► I so infrequently need to know the exact minutes.

00:53:34 ◼   ► Like that is very rare.

00:53:36 ◼   ► And if I do, I should look at my phone.

00:53:38 ◼   ► But like, to me, I don't need that.

00:53:41 ◼   ► I just need to know it's like, oh, and as I would say,

00:53:44 ◼   ► if somebody said to me now, what's the time?

00:53:47 ◼   ► I would say, it's just gone five.

00:53:49 ◼   ► Or it's actually just gone seven, but.

00:53:51 ◼   ► - Really? - Yeah, yeah.

00:53:53 ◼   ► Just all rounding, just gone this or quarter past this.

00:53:55 ◼   ► - I never round. - Quarter to.

00:53:57 ◼   ► - Like whenever somebody-- - Well, yeah,

00:53:58 ◼   ► 'cause you don't need to,

00:53:59 ◼   ► but if somebody says to you, what's the time, right?

00:54:01 ◼   ► They do not want to hear, it's 4.59.

00:54:05 ◼   ► They don't want that.

00:54:06 ◼   ► - Well, that's what I say though.

00:54:07 ◼   ► I've always been that way. - Yeah, no,

00:54:08 ◼   ► No, because that's what you've got, you know?

00:54:10 ◼   ► I'm just like, I'm more like loosey goosey, you know?

00:54:12 ◼   ► I'm just like, hey, just gone seven, like live your life, you know?

00:54:16 ◼   ► No, I need to keep a schedule, need to be precise and exact and, you know?

00:54:21 ◼   ► Anyway, and rigorous, I guess.

00:54:24 ◼   ► My grandma, rest in peace, my grandma used to say,

00:54:27 ◼   ► so say it was like, this was crazy to you, right?

00:54:29 ◼   ► This is crazy to me the way she used to say this.

00:54:31 ◼   ► Imagine the time was 7.35.

00:54:37 ◼   ► Yeah. Right. She would say five and twenty to eight. What? Yeah, I know, right? Five and twenty.

00:54:49 ◼   ► Not twenty-five to eight. She would say five and twenty to eight. Five and twenty. Is there a reason why?

00:54:56 ◼   ► I have no idea why she used to say this. Okay. My mum says it too, but like I know she picked it up

00:55:02 ◼   ► for my grandma so like it must be some English or London thing or whatever but

00:55:07 ◼   ► it's like oh it'd be like 25 past would be five and 20 past and it always just

00:55:11 ◼   ► felt to me like you're giving me the piece of information I need least first

00:55:16 ◼   ► right which is the five 25 is more helpful for I starting with five is not

00:55:23 ◼   ► so helpful because it could be anything you know very strange anyway I'm sorry

00:55:29 ◼   ► back to the comp yes please go back yes yes okay let's see do I have anything to

00:55:35 ◼   ► say do you have any thoughts either of you on my complication suggestions like

00:55:40 ◼   ► the apps that I've chosen no to be front and center these all make sense they all

00:55:46 ◼   ► make sense to me they all make the weather one is that that's Carol weather

00:55:52 ◼   ► Yeah. Useful to you? Very. Yeah? I like to know at a glance the range and temperature I will

00:56:00 ◼   ► experience in a day. Okay. Like I find that very helpful for like, okay, what kind of coat am I

00:56:05 ◼   ► gonna get or whatever. Okay, okay. I mean pretty basic in a good way I think. The complications

00:56:14 ◼   ► more acceptable than the watch face to me so I'll let this one pass. I will say as well for me. You

00:56:20 ◼   ► compensate well. One of the reasons that I choose the analog watch face is I much

00:56:26 ◼   ► prefer the corner complications to any other complication style. Oh interesting

00:56:31 ◼   ► okay. I think that they are the good balance between attractive and

00:56:38 ◼   ► information where I feel like the circular ones don't tell me anything and

00:56:43 ◼   ► the text ones like the long ones we'll get to all these in a minute it's too

00:56:47 ◼   ► much. I don't need all of it, you know? So like for me, I feel like corner

00:56:51 ◼   ► complications are the best complications. One thing I noticed is you don't have

00:56:55 ◼   ► date or day anywhere, which to me is like one of the most important things in my

00:57:01 ◼   ► watch. It drives me crazy with this. I've really wished I could add it to this

00:57:06 ◼   ► watch face. This is like, this is the thing. All right, here we go. Apple? These

00:57:10 ◼   ► are computers! Why? Why? Why can't I add the date as a date window on every

00:57:17 ◼   ► single watch face. Yeah, because you could burn a complication slot with it, but you don't want to do that, I assume.

00:57:22 ◼   ► No, I don't want to do that, because I don't have somewhere, you know, like I

00:57:26 ◼   ► don't know why I can't put the date on this. Why can't it have the date?

00:57:31 ◼   ► Why can't the date be there? But some of them have it and some of them don't, and I

00:57:34 ◼   ► don't understand what the logic or the reasoning is for that. Like the GMT

00:57:40 ◼   ► face has it. It has a little date number, like it's like, it's not even a

00:57:45 ◼   ► window it's just a number right next to the three and tells me what the date is. I

00:57:48 ◼   ► don't understand why every analog watch face or analog style watch face doesn't

00:57:54 ◼   ► have that like I just don't it doesn't make sense to me like my problem with

00:57:58 ◼   ► Apple too frequently when it comes to watch face design is that they are way

00:58:03 ◼   ► too they restrict themselves too much to try and emulate the watch face that they

00:58:08 ◼   ► are emulating right so like this is a typical I have a metropolitan style

00:58:12 ◼   ► watch which actually does have a date window but like whatever but they are

00:58:16 ◼   ► like oh we've got to go we got to make it look like that we've got to make it

00:58:19 ◼   ► look oh it can't do anything else it's gonna look like the thing that we're

00:58:22 ◼   ► doing and I just find that to be maddening like I don't understand why

00:58:26 ◼   ► can't it just be an option for me to add this it's just another number on a

00:58:30 ◼   ► computer screen like it drives me mad but there we go

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01:00:06 ◼   ► support of the show and all of relay FM. I just wanted to double check that like

01:00:12 ◼   ► I didn't like it wasn't some incredible setting somewhere for me to add this

01:00:16 ◼   ► date thing and I was and I was reminded that there is a share button so if you

01:00:25 ◼   ► want watch face I guess I'll try and put a link in the show notes suppose you

01:00:31 ◼   ► You know that there are, at the very least, I think, two web services or like apps that

01:00:38 ◼   ► are like galleries for pre-made watch faces based on this functionality that you can install

01:00:44 ◼   ► and they have like a whole gallery thing going on if you're looking for inspiration or something.

01:00:50 ◼   ► I don't remember the names, but they exist.

01:00:52 ◼   ► I don't even know how, like I'm trying, like I can't even find a way to get a link, like,

01:00:58 ◼   ► because if you click it, it just like, it's like, it's on my Mac, it's like, do you want

01:01:01 ◼   ► to install this Apple watch face,

01:01:02 ◼   ► like where are you gonna go?

01:01:04 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:01:05 ◼   ► - Install it on my Mac.

01:01:06 ◼   ► - The link is a .watchface URL.

01:01:09 ◼   ► What are you doing?

01:01:10 ◼   ► - Oh, do you have the link, Stephen?

01:01:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, if you right click on it

01:01:14 ◼   ► and messages on the Mac and hit copy, you can.

01:01:17 ◼   ► - I mean, it's probably what,

01:01:18 ◼   ► just like a custom JSON package or whatever.

01:01:20 ◼   ► Like if it's a text file with an image

01:01:24 ◼   ► and some instructions, I would-

01:01:26 ◼   ► - But when I put that into Safari and hit enter,

01:01:31 ◼   ► it like tries to load a file.

01:01:34 ◼   ► Like what is happening?

01:01:36 ◼   ► - I don't know.

01:01:37 ◼   ► - I don't think there's a way,

01:01:38 ◼   ► actually I don't even think there's a way for me

01:01:39 ◼   ► to share this that doesn't export my iCloud email address.

01:01:43 ◼   ► So you're on your own, you know what I mean?

01:01:45 ◼   ► You're on your own.

01:01:46 ◼   ► - We got a screenshot.

01:01:48 ◼   ► You can see what we're doing.

01:01:49 ◼   ► All right, I'm ready.

01:01:51 ◼   ► - Honestly, I don't even wanna roast you.

01:01:54 ◼   ► - All right, well let me do it then.

01:01:55 ◼   ► - I think your watch face is better than mine.

01:01:57 ◼   ► - I got it, don't worry, stand back.

01:01:59 ◼   ► All right. I'm coming in. I'm coming in.

01:02:01 ◼   ► Leave him alone.

01:02:02 ◼   ► No, I won't.

01:02:03 ◼   ► He made decisions with hardware, but software,

01:02:09 ◼   ► Steven, you got it.

01:02:10 ◼   ► It's super good.

01:02:11 ◼   ► No, you too.

01:02:12 ◼   ► I don't even know what's going on.

01:02:13 ◼   ► What's the name of this watch face?

01:02:14 ◼   ► This monstrosity that you both got?

01:02:16 ◼   ► Modular something.

01:02:17 ◼   ► Modular?

01:02:19 ◼   ► Modular.

01:02:20 ◼   ► And is it a specific choice to have so many,

01:02:23 ◼   ► just so many colors on the watch face?

01:02:26 ◼   ► Is that like a thing that you choose?

01:02:27 ◼   ► choose? Unlike you, we chose not to be boring. So like what you both like is to

01:02:34 ◼   ► walk around as billboards for the apps that you use. Yes. Right, so like Steven is like

01:02:39 ◼   ► looking to rep Todoist specifically with their colors that they choose, right?

01:02:44 ◼   ► Like you you're cool with that? Wow, so Mike doesn't like indie developers. I

01:02:48 ◼   ► mean have you looked at my arms, Mike? Wait, do you consider Todoist an indie developer? No, as soon as I

01:02:53 ◼   ► said it I realized that it wasn't but carrot weather you know Federico no

01:02:56 ◼   ► you're not like running around with like you know like advertising your dogs you

01:03:01 ◼   ► know what I mean like well I have flowers snakes you're advertising flowers

01:03:07 ◼   ► and snakes like flower brand he has a weird fish unlike you know I mean colors

01:03:12 ◼   ► on your body are good I never said anything about colors on your body I

01:03:16 ◼   ► never said anything about like colors like specifically the colors of the

01:03:22 ◼   ► companies, right? Like, Todoist has chosen that it's red and you just have to go with

01:03:26 ◼   ► whatever they decided.

01:03:28 ◼   ► Oh, so it's like a whole, like, you know,

01:03:31 ◼   ► Corporations, man.

01:03:32 ◼   ► Yeah, okay.

01:03:33 ◼   ► Corporations, man. I've been playing too much Cyberpunk, you know what I mean? I like corporations,

01:03:37 ◼   ► man.

01:03:38 ◼   ► I see. I see the vibe. All right. I get it. I get it. Okay.

01:03:41 ◼   ► And Steven, is that very nondescript Todoist circle helpful for you?

01:03:46 ◼   ► It's it's okay. I mean, it kind of gives me a rough estimation of where I am on what I

01:03:50 ◼   ► had to do for the day.

01:03:51 ◼   ► - Ah, so like, here's what I'm saying, right?

01:03:54 ◼   ► You two are like, "Oh, how could you have like,

01:03:57 ◼   ► "this watch face?"

01:03:58 ◼   ► It's like, "How do you even know what the time is?"

01:04:00 ◼   ► Do you have a good idea

01:04:01 ◼   ► of how many tasks you have left today?

01:04:02 ◼   ► - Well, I also don't want a number there with like six.

01:04:06 ◼   ► - But why do you even want that?

01:04:07 ◼   ► What's the bar?

01:04:08 ◼   ► That's like worse than a number.

01:04:10 ◼   ► 'Cause that could be, that could tell you

01:04:12 ◼   ► you either have two tasks or 4,000 tasks.

01:04:14 ◼   ► You don't know.

01:04:15 ◼   ► - Most days, it's closer to the 4,000.

01:04:18 ◼   ► - Exactly, like, so you could look at that.

01:04:20 ◼   ► It could be a two task day, but you've got the anxiety of a 4,000 task day.

01:04:24 ◼   ► Cause you don't know cause the circle.

01:04:25 ◼   ► It's also a short member complications are also launcher.

01:04:28 ◼   ► So it's also a quick way to get to my tasks for the day.

01:04:31 ◼   ► But does it have to have the ring around it?

01:04:34 ◼   ► I don't know what other complications they have. Let me see.

01:04:37 ◼   ► They don't have many.

01:04:38 ◼   ► Did you use Todoist on your Apple watch?

01:04:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:04:41 ◼   ► What are you doing? Why?

01:04:43 ◼   ► Cause a lot of times I will have...

01:04:45 ◼   ► He's productive.

01:04:46 ◼   ► Yeah. You know, I own two businesses, son. I got stuff to do.

01:04:50 ◼   ► It does the productivity.

01:04:51 ◼   ► But on the Apple Watch, like how many tasks are you completing on the watch,

01:04:56 ◼   ► like your phone or one of your 7000 Macintosh's aren't within arm's reach?

01:05:01 ◼   ► We're not talking about the Mac today, thankfully, but it seems, uh, you know,

01:05:06 ◼   ► OK, prime example to do list in the grocery store

01:05:10 ◼   ► for your shared grocery list is awesome.

01:05:13 ◼   ► You have a share grocery list in Todoist?

01:05:15 ◼   ► Yeah. With all your tasks?

01:05:17 ◼   ► Yeah, because my wife, Mary has moved into Doist full time and that's where she told me the shared grocery list was.

01:05:24 ◼   ► So that's, I kind of want to unpack all of that.

01:05:27 ◼   ► I don't know if we have the time today, but getting your wife on your task manager, like that's a whole thing.

01:05:36 ◼   ► We need to, we need to talk about that.

01:05:38 ◼   ► Do you assign tasks to each other?

01:05:39 ◼   ► No, we don't.

01:05:40 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:05:41 ◼   ► That's what I want to get into, but not today, but yes.

01:05:43 ◼   ► Okay.

01:05:43 ◼   ► - We do also have though a shared task list

01:05:47 ◼   ► that has like things that either one of us could do.

01:05:50 ◼   ► Like for instance, we need to make one of our kids

01:05:52 ◼   ► an eye doctor appointment and that's due today

01:05:54 ◼   ► and either she'll do it or I'll do it

01:05:56 ◼   ► and then we'll check it off.

01:05:57 ◼   ► - Do you have your children used to do it?

01:05:59 ◼   ► - Not yet.

01:06:00 ◼   ► - Just one of them.

01:06:00 ◼   ► - It's just a matter of time.

01:06:02 ◼   ► I will say me and my wife have, we share two Trello boards.

01:06:05 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:06:06 ◼   ► - We can maybe dig into that another time.

01:06:08 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:06:08 ◼   ► - In the spirit of my basicness, we share a reminders list.

01:06:13 ◼   ► We share a piece of paper.

01:06:14 ◼   ► It goes between the two of us.

01:06:15 ◼   ► We also, we actually also do, but yes.

01:06:18 ◼   ► Okay.

01:06:19 ◼   ► Oh, I love notes.

01:06:20 ◼   ► I know it.

01:06:21 ◼   ► I love notes.

01:06:22 ◼   ► He's so romantic.

01:06:22 ◼   ► I sent y'all a screenshot

01:06:24 ◼   ► and I'm putting it in the live chat and discord.

01:06:27 ◼   ► I was trying to look at complications

01:06:28 ◼   ► and then I came out of it

01:06:29 ◼   ► and now my Apple watch is stuck in whatever this mode is.

01:06:33 ◼   ► That's actually a better design for your Apple watch.

01:06:35 ◼   ► (laughing)

01:06:37 ◼   ► Reminds me of when they accidentally enable

01:06:40 ◼   ► the custom lock screen in iPadOS 16.

01:06:42 ◼   ► Yes. It kind of looked like this.

01:06:44 ◼   ► Yes, it did look like that.

01:06:46 ◼   ► It did look like that.

01:06:48 ◼   ► Just shortcuts, right?

01:06:49 ◼   ► You just want shortcuts, access to shortcuts all the time?

01:06:52 ◼   ► So this is the newest edition.

01:06:54 ◼   ► I used to have the breathe thing up there,

01:06:56 ◼   ► but then I realized I never really used it.

01:06:58 ◼   ► You stopped breathing?

01:06:59 ◼   ► Okay. Still breathing.

01:07:00 ◼   ► It's getting harder and harder to breathe.

01:07:03 ◼   ► Nice.

01:07:04 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

01:07:05 ◼   ► Okay, cool.

01:07:07 ◼   ► We are the same age and we get the same references.

01:07:10 ◼   ► All right, cool.

01:07:12 ◼   ► but my short cuts for the Apple watch.

01:07:15 ◼   ► - Man Maroon 5 used to be a good band though.

01:07:15 ◼   ► I'm sorry.

01:07:16 ◼   ► - They were so good.

01:07:17 ◼   ► That first album, like kids today,

01:07:20 ◼   ► they think Maroon 5 is a certain thing.

01:07:22 ◼   ► Do you even know about songs about Jane?

01:07:25 ◼   ► Do you even know?

01:07:26 ◼   ► - Do they know?

01:07:27 ◼   ► Kids these days, "Oh, Maroon 5, no.

01:07:30 ◼   ► Songs about Jane, man."

01:07:32 ◼   ► - You don't even know.

01:07:32 ◼   ► - That was good.

01:07:33 ◼   ► I'm so upset about Maroon 5 now.

01:07:36 ◼   ► Anyway, sorry, Steven.

01:07:39 ◼   ► Go ahead.

01:07:40 ◼   ► So in the shortcuts on the watch,

01:07:44 ◼   ► all of them are just to set home kit scenes

01:07:47 ◼   ► or to control specific things that I wanna do easily.

01:07:52 ◼   ► I used, I tried and I see in the same spot

01:07:55 ◼   ► on your smaller worst watch, Federica, you have home.

01:07:58 ◼   ► That's too much for me on the watch.

01:08:01 ◼   ► I just want a handful of things.

01:08:02 ◼   ► So I have a scene that basically turns

01:08:04 ◼   ► on all my home kit lights in the house,

01:08:05 ◼   ► which is in several rooms,

01:08:07 ◼   ► and like open and close the garage door,

01:08:10 ◼   ► arm or disarm the alarm, just a handful of things.

01:08:14 ◼   ► And so this is new for me, I'm still kind of trying it out,

01:08:17 ◼   ► but so far I'm digging it.

01:08:19 ◼   ► Now getting shortcuts on the watch

01:08:22 ◼   ► to sync with shortcuts on the iPhone

01:08:25 ◼   ► is like kind of hit or miss.

01:08:26 ◼   ► Like I should--

01:08:27 ◼   ► You should run Apple frames on the watch.

01:08:30 ◼   ► I think it would explode.

01:08:31 ◼   ► You should do it.

01:08:33 ◼   ► I'm gonna do it right now, I'm gonna see what happens.

01:08:34 ◼   ► No, you won't, I don't think it will work.

01:08:35 ◼   ► Yeah, it's gotta have that iCloud folder

01:08:37 ◼   ► of all of his less JSON.

01:08:40 ◼   ► Look, I can find out though, can't I?

01:08:42 ◼   ► You know what I'll say?

01:08:43 ◼   ► We're not onto it, Fedor,

01:08:44 ◼   ► 'cause yeah, but you mentioned the Home app.

01:08:46 ◼   ► The Home app on the Apple Watch

01:08:47 ◼   ► feels like it was written in WatchKit.

01:08:49 ◼   ► Like, it feels like-- - Yeah, it's bad.

01:08:51 ◼   ► - Every single time, it has to load

01:08:54 ◼   ► and check every single device.

01:08:55 ◼   ► Like, I don't understand, right?

01:08:56 ◼   ► Like, why can't it be aware of the state of my Home

01:09:00 ◼   ► like my phone is?

01:09:01 ◼   ► Like, I don't, every time I open the Home app on my phone,

01:09:04 ◼   ► it's not like everything's unavailable for a second

01:09:07 ◼   ► until it checks them all and loads them all.

01:09:09 ◼   ► Yeah, and that scrollable list, oh my god, just give me a grid of stuff.

01:09:15 ◼   ► So bad.

01:09:16 ◼   ► Actually, if I...

01:09:17 ◼   ► I actually don't even see Apple Frames on my watch.

01:09:19 ◼   ► Yeah, it will not show up because it's not compatible.

01:09:23 ◼   ► Actually, if anybody has recommendations for like...

01:09:25 ◼   ► Are there like a third party, like HomeKit clients for the watch?

01:09:32 ◼   ► Is it Home Plus on the watch?

01:09:34 ◼   ► Is it?

01:09:38 ◼   ► Now that I have a new home automation setup, I need to rethink that because I mean we'll get to that in a minute

01:09:44 ◼   ► But that home app on the watch, it's super bad and I don't like it

01:09:48 ◼   ► I had to turn on Apple frames on the watch.

01:09:51 ◼   ► Don't do it! It will not work!

01:09:53 ◼   ► There might still be hope. Yeah.

01:09:55 ◼   ► My Apple watch is now rebooting to the Apple logo

01:09:58 ◼   ► What did you do? What did you do to it?

01:10:01 ◼   ► I just went to complications and then that screenshot happened. I put it in the show notes and now it's mad. So anyways

01:10:06 ◼   ► How do you quit Apple Watch apps?

01:10:09 ◼   ► How is that a thing?

01:10:10 ◼   ► Is it possible?

01:10:12 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

01:10:13 ◼   ► So you hold down the side button

01:10:19 ◼   ► and then when the menu for like shutdown and all that appears,

01:10:24 ◼   ► you hold down the crown instead

01:10:28 ◼   ► and it force quits the app, I think.

01:10:30 ◼   ► Well, I mean something happened.

01:10:32 ◼   ► I don't know what just happened.

01:10:33 ◼   ► And it used to be that?

01:10:35 ◼   ► Because there's people that say in the side button,

01:10:38 ◼   ► I don't have recent apps in the side button menu thing.

01:10:40 ◼   ► I have like a selection of apps that I always want because that's what I want.

01:10:45 ◼   ► That's the correct way to use the dock on watchOS.

01:10:48 ◼   ► - Yes. - Because like...

01:10:49 ◼   ► I agree.

01:10:50 ◼   ► Trying to get to any app on the Apple Watch is always a nightmare.

01:10:55 ◼   ► Anything else with my complications?

01:10:57 ◼   ► Oh yeah, I'm not even nearly done.

01:10:58 ◼   ► - Okay. - Oh my God.

01:10:59 ◼   ► Why like the calendar one, right?

01:11:02 ◼   ► That's like prime real estate.

01:11:04 ◼   ► Is that that's the only thing that you have there, correct?

01:11:06 ◼   ► Yes. Now I do have a watch face that I use on the weekends.

01:11:11 ◼   ► I use modular duo that basically gets rid of the calendar

01:11:15 ◼   ► and makes carat weather bigger in the bottom.

01:11:17 ◼   ► But during the work week, calendar is up front because I put

01:11:22 ◼   ► I mean, so much stuff on my calendar.

01:11:24 ◼   ► And it's important to me to be able to glance down and see that, you know,

01:11:27 ◼   ► I've got whatever coming up or I'm supposed to be doing something

01:11:31 ◼   ► That it was recommended Home Run 2.

01:11:32 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

01:11:33 ◼   ► That's what I was thinking about.

01:11:34 ◼   ► I should have remembered.

01:11:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:11:35 ◼   ► Home Run.

01:11:36 ◼   ► That's yeah.

01:11:36 ◼   ► I'm going to set that up again.

01:11:38 ◼   ► Now Federica.

01:11:39 ◼   ► Wow.

01:11:40 ◼   ► What?

01:11:40 ◼   ► What?

01:11:41 ◼   ► He just is aiming all over the place.

01:11:42 ◼   ► Yes.

01:11:43 ◼   ► Well, how, why, why is this, why do you need it?

01:11:45 ◼   ► So, okay.

01:11:47 ◼   ► So many times it happens that like I'm in a store or just I hear song and I want to get, I want to recognize it quick.

01:11:55 ◼   ► I was like, yeah, it's a cool song.

01:11:56 ◼   ► Like it happened today.

01:11:58 ◼   ► For example, we were shopping for knives.

01:12:01 ◼   ► All right.

01:12:01 ◼   ► Whoa.

01:12:02 ◼   ► I dislike my knives, my kitchen knives, like my regular knives, bad knives.

01:12:07 ◼   ► So we went to the store like downstairs at the mall and I was like,

01:12:12 ◼   ► I need to get some knives.

01:12:13 ◼   ► And there was this cool song playing and I just, uh, you know,

01:12:17 ◼   ► I tapped on the Shazam icon on the watch and I sort of held up my wrist like I

01:12:22 ◼   ► was calling for, you know, somebody's attention, but it wasn't.

01:12:26 ◼   ► I was Shazaming the song that was playing on the radio inside the store.

01:12:30 ◼   ► But why not just ask...

01:12:32 ◼   ► Yeah, what? Talk to the watching public?

01:12:34 ◼   ► You're holding your arm up.

01:12:35 ◼   ► Well, it's less bad...

01:12:37 ◼   ► You're hardly inconspicuous.

01:12:39 ◼   ► No, I don't want to be like, "Oh, I can just do it."

01:12:41 ◼   ► Pretend you're doing something like, I don't know,

01:12:43 ◼   ► scratching your head or something,

01:12:45 ◼   ► but instead you're Shazaming a song.

01:12:47 ◼   ► I actually do it all the time.

01:12:51 ◼   ► It's like, you're casual, you're touching your ear or something.

01:12:56 ◼   ► like yeah but in the meantime you're actually doing the Shazam I don't want

01:13:00 ◼   ► to be the guy you know talk to the watch look at me I'm a secret agent talking to

01:13:05 ◼   ► my watch no now with that now with that watch you know maybe the gold one yeah

01:13:10 ◼   ► no secret agent would wear that one exactly unless they were trying to like

01:13:14 ◼   ► go undercover as an absolute basic person yeah that would be that would be

01:13:18 ◼   ► the vibe that would be the vibe yeah all right cool okay so that's the reason

01:13:22 ◼   ► for Shazam, what else? I know where this is going anyway.

01:13:25 ◼   ► Big Spotify fan, you know what I mean? Just like, big Spotify fan.

01:13:30 ◼   ► I am trying Spotify again. This is not like a serious commitment, it's just an exploration

01:13:36 ◼   ► of sorts.

01:13:37 ◼   ► I would say putting it on your actual watch face is a pretty big commitment.

01:13:41 ◼   ► Well, given the circumstances, yes. And I'll tell you that from the watch it is super nice.

01:13:48 ◼   ► Well, now I cannot tell you because yeah, my watch died.

01:13:51 ◼   ► See that battery is not.

01:13:52 ◼   ► - Yeah, that battery is not good, man.

01:13:54 ◼   ► What are you doing over there?

01:13:56 ◼   ► What's happening to you?

01:13:57 ◼   ► - Maybe I should get a series eight actually,

01:13:59 ◼   ► before I cannot wait for the nine.

01:14:00 ◼   ► Maybe I should get an ultra.

01:14:02 ◼   ► Maybe I should get an ultra.

01:14:03 ◼   ► Maybe I should do it.

01:14:04 ◼   ► Maybe I should just do it.

01:14:05 ◼   ► - Just do it.

01:14:06 ◼   ► - Is that where this episode leads?

01:14:08 ◼   ► That Federico ends up buying an Apple watch?

01:14:09 ◼   ► - Should I buy an ultra?

01:14:10 ◼   ► Should I buy an Apple watch ultra, guys?

01:14:12 ◼   ► Do you think?

01:14:13 ◼   ► - You know what Federico?

01:14:14 ◼   ► Do it right now.

01:14:16 ◼   ► Come on.

01:14:18 ◼   ► on the show. Go to apple.com/IT, I assume is the URL that you need. No, no, no. Just

01:14:25 ◼   ► do it. No, I need to sell this for now. You can sell it afterwards. What are you going

01:14:30 ◼   ► to go with? No watch. No, no, no. See, they won't let me do it. No, this is, I don't appreciate

01:14:35 ◼   ► this peer pressure. This is peer pressure. This is bad. This is a, anyway, maybe I will

01:14:41 ◼   ► buy an Apple watch out there. I don't know. I don't really need an Apple watch out there,

01:14:46 ◼   ► But the big display is nice.

01:14:47 ◼   ► Federico, let me break it to you.

01:14:49 ◼   ► 99% of people that buy the Apple Watch Ultra do not need the Apple Watch Ultra, including

01:14:54 ◼   ► our friend here, who as we have already pointed out, just uses a treadmill desk all day.

01:14:59 ◼   ► You know what I mean?

01:15:00 ◼   ► We're not talking about that today.

01:15:02 ◼   ► Because he can't see in the dark and he needs a flashlight.

01:15:04 ◼   ► The thing is, I have already spoken about it multiple times.

01:15:06 ◼   ► So like, it's happened.

01:15:10 ◼   ► So the Spotify app is nice because it lets you control the Spotify connect thing from

01:15:16 ◼   ► the watch.

01:15:17 ◼   ► Okay, that is cool.

01:15:18 ◼   ► That is cool.

01:15:19 ◼   ► Much better than Airplay.

01:15:20 ◼   ► Pretty cool.

01:15:21 ◼   ► Yeah, that's pretty cool.

01:15:22 ◼   ► It's nice.

01:15:23 ◼   ► There isn't a Sonos watch app, right?

01:15:24 ◼   ► But you could just use that.

01:15:26 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:27 ◼   ► I guess.

01:15:28 ◼   ► Man, I wish Airplay was more like the Spotify thing.

01:15:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:15:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I wish the same.

01:15:34 ◼   ► Okay.

01:15:35 ◼   ► Reminders.

01:15:36 ◼   ► Good that today is complete.

01:15:38 ◼   ► That's good.

01:15:39 ◼   ► Reminder, so I am at this moment, I am in between task managers.

01:15:45 ◼   ► Interesting. What's that? Well, I've never done that.

01:15:48 ◼   ► Federico, this isn't meant morbidly, but that could be put on your tombstone.

01:15:52 ◼   ► Both of us.

01:15:53 ◼   ► Well, yes.

01:15:54 ◼   ► I'm in between task managers.

01:15:57 ◼   ► I would say Federico's worse than you, Steven, in this one area.

01:16:01 ◼   ► Yes, yes.

01:16:02 ◼   ► I haven't even told you everything I've done recently in my setup.

01:16:05 ◼   ► Well, we know you're on Todoist.

01:16:07 ◼   ► I think when the time is right, I think I will easily one-up you on that.

01:16:13 ◼   ► Oh, yeah, I know this.

01:16:16 ◼   ► I've seen hints of this.

01:16:18 ◼   ► I know what's happening.

01:16:20 ◼   ► No, I don't think you do.

01:16:21 ◼   ► But loose lips sink ships, as they say.

01:16:23 ◼   ► Interesting.

01:16:24 ◼   ► You should text me privately, Mike, if you have guesses.

01:16:29 ◼   ► I know what's going on.

01:16:30 ◼   ► I know what's going on.

01:16:30 ◼   ► But I am in between task managers at the moment.

01:16:33 ◼   ► However, I never stop using reminders with Silvia.

01:16:36 ◼   ► So I basically only use it for shared stuff.

01:16:41 ◼   ► And I put it there so that I don't forget the things

01:16:45 ◼   ► that we put in reminders.

01:16:47 ◼   ► See, I got a text from Mike.

01:16:49 ◼   ► Let's see.

01:16:50 ◼   ► This is unfair to me.

01:16:51 ◼   ► I feel left out.

01:16:52 ◼   ► Oh, no.

01:16:53 ◼   ► Well, no, Mike, that's not.

01:16:56 ◼   ► Okay.

01:16:57 ◼   ► I'm wrong then, so it doesn't matter.

01:17:00 ◼   ► My guess was wrong.

01:17:01 ◼   ► Well, yeah, that is correct, actually.

01:17:03 ◼   ► but it's the bigger surprise I was afraid you actually caught.

01:17:09 ◼   ► It's not that.

01:17:12 ◼   ► Much bigger thing, of which I actually dropped many, many hints in the past few weeks in public,

01:17:21 ◼   ► but I did it elegantly and cleverly so that nobody noticed.

01:17:27 ◼   ► Well, I mean, it depends what you're talking about,

01:17:28 ◼   ► because I have some theories about some stuff you're up to anyway.

01:17:31 ◼   ► At least you're being humble about it.

01:17:32 ◼   ► Who are we talking to now?

01:17:34 ◼   ► Federico.

01:17:35 ◼   ► Okay.

01:17:36 ◼   ► Many, many hints.

01:17:38 ◼   ► Many hints.

01:17:40 ◼   ► Today complete is a terrible way to say that you finished all your tasks.

01:17:44 ◼   ► Like what on earth does that mean?

01:17:46 ◼   ► Today complete.

01:17:47 ◼   ► Today complete.

01:17:48 ◼   ► So yeah.

01:17:49 ◼   ► I have nothing more to say about your watch because there really isn't much to say about

01:17:52 ◼   ► it.

01:17:53 ◼   ► Yeah, it's pretty basic, right?

01:17:54 ◼   ► The home icon I will probably replace like tonight with the home run icon.

01:18:00 ◼   ► Thing?

01:18:01 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:18:02 ◼   ► I have. We'll talk about this maybe next week. New home automation setup that I have, finally.

01:18:09 ◼   ► It's very basic. Really, I mostly use my watch for glancing at the time, controlling music

01:18:17 ◼   ► and podcasts, and making sure that I'm not dying because of the heart rate monitoring

01:18:22 ◼   ► stuff.

01:18:23 ◼   ► That's good. You don't have any fitness or activity stuff on the watch face, though?

01:18:28 ◼   ► No, no, I don't, and I don't use it.

01:18:32 ◼   ► So you're not worried about your rings?

01:18:34 ◼   ► No, no.

01:18:35 ◼   ► You don't like that?

01:18:36 ◼   ► I don't do the whole thing with the rings anymore.

01:18:39 ◼   ► It was too much anxiety, you know?

01:18:41 ◼   ► That I agree with.

01:18:42 ◼   ► And the system is not flexible enough.

01:18:44 ◼   ► It's like, "Don't make me feel bad."

01:18:47 ◼   ► That I agree with.

01:18:47 ◼   ► You know, it's another thing to complete every day.

01:18:49 ◼   ► And I used to like really do it.

01:18:52 ◼   ► No, I don't need that stress in my life anymore.

01:18:55 ◼   ► So yeah, that's it.

01:18:56 ◼   ► Well, I do it, but I agree that it's a stress.

01:18:59 ◼   ► So what we've learned, I think,

01:19:01 ◼   ► that I have the best taste in Apple watches, hardware and software. Mike is

01:19:07 ◼   ► fancy and Federico is basic but in love with Shazam. I would just say I don't

01:19:15 ◼   ► agree with your assessment of yourself. Well that's fine. Yeah I feel like you

01:19:19 ◼   ► can say it but I don't agree with it. Mike do you have a like a monocle? I wished.

01:19:27 ◼   ► Yeah that kind of fits you. That would be no good to me I'd need two monocles because I

01:19:31 ◼   ► glasses so wearing a monocle is no help yeah you know yes you're right two

01:19:38 ◼   ► monocles currently okay all right binnacle binnacle two last questions

01:19:44 ◼   ► sounds on and off off off of course all of course members civil is off app list

01:19:52 ◼   ► or honeycomb honeycomb list list boring what do you want a come for man so that

01:20:00 ◼   ► It's so that I can cringe whenever I see it.

01:20:04 ◼   ► [Laughter]

01:20:07 ◼   ► You know what, that's a perfectly reasonable way of doing it.

01:20:09 ◼   ► Every time I saw it, I was like, "Man, I mean, look at this thing."

01:20:11 ◼   ► What was that? What a mess.

01:20:12 ◼   ► It's an icebreaker. It's a nice conversation starter.

01:20:15 ◼   ► And it's like, "I mean, look at this."

01:20:17 ◼   ► Can you imagine? They did this.

01:20:19 ◼   ► Exactly.

01:20:20 ◼   ► It doesn't ship default like that now, right?

01:20:23 ◼   ► I think it does.

01:20:25 ◼   ► I feel like the default's got to be the list, right?

01:20:27 ◼   ► I think it...

01:20:28 ◼   ► So in the setup, it now asks you what you want.

01:20:30 ◼   ► Okay. So I just went through this helping somebody set up an Apple watch for the

01:20:36 ◼   ► first time so it asks you... Was it you? When you broke it? No. And you got another one? No. Mary got a

01:20:40 ◼   ► Series 8 for Christmas and her Series 6 went to my mom who was wearing an old

01:20:47 ◼   ► Series 5 and I had trouble with the backup so I had to set it up fresh for her

01:20:50 ◼   ► and it's in the onboarding now. I had a thing recently where I said to my mom

01:20:54 ◼   ► that I wanted to buy her an Apple watch because like I thought it'd be really

01:20:57 ◼   ► good for fall detection and stuff. That did not go down well. Yeah you can't

01:21:00 ◼   ► Mention the fall detection. Yeah, I know. Well, I know now. Yeah, you know what I mean too late

01:21:06 ◼   ► But I'm just like mom. I'm worried that you're gonna fall over you live on your own

01:21:09 ◼   ► But like no she wasn't happy about that

01:21:11 ◼   ► So if you want to find links to the stuff we spoke about this week there on the website at relay.fm/connected/

01:21:18 ◼   ► 437 is of course there's an image there of course of all of our Apple watches and

01:21:23 ◼   ► some other stuff we spoke about home run 2 for home kit and

01:21:29 ◼   ► Federico's fiber lots of lots of things going on in the show notes while you're on the website

01:21:33 ◼   ► Or if you're just looking at the links in your podcast player a couple things

01:21:37 ◼   ► We want to draw your attention to first you can leave feedback on our website

01:21:40 ◼   ► There's a link in the show notes and any feedback follow-up. We'd love to see there

01:21:45 ◼   ► You can also become a member and get connected Pro

01:21:48 ◼   ► Which is a longer and ad-free version of the show each and every week this week. We spoke about

01:21:53 ◼   ► Mike's entrance into the world of sports

01:21:57 ◼   ► Mike is gonna be the next Tiger Woods seems like I remember that ad I'm Tiger Woods

01:22:03 ◼   ► Mmm, remember that had the Mercedes ad

01:22:05 ◼   ► Woods I'm Tiger Woods. You're my curly you can find us all online

01:22:12 ◼   ► Nike not Mercedes. Mmm Nike Federico is the editor-in-chief of max stories dotnet

01:22:19 ◼   ► They write and podcast about all the stuff we talked about here. If you're not ready max stories

01:22:24 ◼   ► what are you even doing with your life?

01:22:26 ◼   ► You can also find Federico on the DAWN,

01:22:29 ◼   ► and was it maxstories.net is y'all's instance?

01:22:33 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:22:34 ◼   ► - Yeah, you did tricky web stuff to make that work, right?

01:22:37 ◼   ► - Well, you can either search for @vittici@maxstories.net

01:22:40 ◼   ► or just type in your browser address bar

01:22:44 ◼   ► vittici.maxstories.net and it'll take you there.

01:22:46 ◼   ► - That's good.

01:22:48 ◼   ► - Yeah.

01:22:49 ◼   ► - Mike hosts a bunch of other shows here on Relay FM.

01:22:51 ◼   ► He's also the co-founder of Cortex brand.

01:22:54 ◼   ► You can learn more at cortexmerch.com.

01:22:57 ◼   ► Mike, you are also on the don at mike.social.

01:23:00 ◼   ► - Correct.

01:23:01 ◼   ► - You can find me online.

01:23:03 ◼   ► I write at 512pixels.net.

01:23:05 ◼   ► I'm a co-host over at Mac Power Users

01:23:07 ◼   ► on every Sunday here on Relay FM.

01:23:10 ◼   ► And I am at eworld.social on the Mastodon.

01:23:15 ◼   ► - It's never not funny, man.

01:23:16 ◼   ► - It's perfect. - It's never not funny.

01:23:19 ◼   ► - I'm glad, I'm glad y'all like it.

01:23:20 ◼   ► I'd like to thank our sponsors this week. They are ZocDoc, Squarespace, and Adeed.

01:23:26 ◼   ► And until next week guys, say goodbye.

01:23:28 ◼   ► Arrivederci.

01:23:29 ◼   ► Cheerio.

01:23:30 ◼   ► Bye, y'all.