4: Stabbed by a Glass Corner
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[Intro Music]
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Hello and welcome to episode 4 of Connected on Relay FM.
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Today is the 10th of September 2014. This episode of Connected is brought to you by
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and Studio NEAT, makers of The Glyph, The Cosmonaut
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the neat ice kit. My name is Myke Curley and I am joined by my two co-hosts as I
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always am Mr. Steven Hackett and Mr. Federico Vittucci. Hello gentlemen.
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Hi. Ah! We did it! You can't do that to us Myke. I know. I'm sorry. Do it one at a time.
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Shall I just say it again? Mr. Steven Hackett. Hey! And Mr. Federico Vittucci. Hey guys.
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Do you feel more comfortable now? Yes. Yes. Thank you. I'm sorry. I appreciate it.
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So, big show today guys, big show.
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There was something about a TV truck?
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Were we supposed to prepare for this one?
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Well no, I've been, all day I've been ensconced inside a TV truck and I've been looking at
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like the something.
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How's your scene?
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Do you wanna talk about the, I think the Windows Phone rebranding, right?
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Has there been a Windows Phone rebranding?
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Yeah, well, today there's a new rumor that apparently Microsoft is discontinuing the
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Windows Phone name.
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It's gonna be just Windows.
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And that will be nice and nice and confusing for everyone.
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Yeah, they're also dropping the Nokia brand, and they're gonna buy Minecraft for $2 billion.
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Maybe they're just gonna like, make the Windows interface just look like Minecraft.
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Yeah, tell you what, they should just bring back Balmer.
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It's all going crazy over in Redmond.
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Maybe we should talk about Apple stuff.
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Maybe, yeah.
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There's never any Apple news to talk about.
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Apple is doomed.
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They don't know these products.
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I have three follow-up links so we can just wrap it up.
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Yeah, okay, let's just do that.
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So as is Apple's sort of thing during an event, sometimes they do little secret things and
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And so you realize later that they've discontinued the iPod Classic, as Marco pointed out on
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Twitter yesterday.
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And then there's a link in the show notes to Mac stories with a fun little chart of
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What is this chart?
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It's when it was updated, and you can see that it was updated a lot, and then it stopped
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being updated in 2009, and now it's dead.
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I love the gap in that time.
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It's really sad.
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It's like...
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And then it's just like...
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No, there should be just like in that gap between the last update and the discontinuation
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of the device, just in bold letters, whatever.
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And then someone's like, "Oh, this is still here?"
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And maybe Steven's face, like around 2013, when he was still hoping for some kind of
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update and then you know it's dead. I mean it's sad right because it's like an
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old friend. If you can ever become friend with an iPod. You get the idea right?
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Yeah. I think that personally I think that this product has been
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discontinued because we've been talking about it so much recently. Like Apple
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just forgot that it existed and they didn't know it was on the store and now
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we've been talking about it and someone was like oh yeah take that thing down. So
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So Stephen, this is your fault.
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- It's like when we killed Everpix on the old show.
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- Yeah, like every single photo service.
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- Yeah, the curse lives on.
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- So if we just keep talking about the iPhone.
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- The iPhone's gonna win.
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- The iPhone's just gonna go away.
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Also in the show notes is this article from 2003,
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so I'm really on top of it,
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from the New York Times called The Guts of a New Machine.
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And a couple people emailed this to me,
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I don't have any names handy yet,
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So I apologize if this is because someone mailed it to us who's listening.
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Which is a little interesting.
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I'm sorry Steven, I just wanted to ask you.
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Do you remember when there was like that American energy drink that at one point it was like
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retired from sale and there were like people you know buying the last few boxes of that
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The uh, the loco whatever?
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Did you do the same with the iPod Classic?
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I did, I bought one three months ago.
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And now they're killing.
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Let's see, how many classics do you have?
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Yeah four logo, Joe Steele still has some at his house I think.
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But this article is really interesting because it's written in 2003 and so it sort of talks
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about Apple at the time and just, you know, like there's no guarantee that today's leader
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will not be copycatted and undersold until tomorrow's niche player.
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Like it's just an interesting article because it was two years after the iPod and this is
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really before, I mean the iPod was growing by 2003 but I would argue that 2004, 2005
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were the big years.
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So it's just an interesting little snapshot into what people were thinking at the time.
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And you should check it out in our show notes, which are on the internet somewhere.
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They are at relay.fm/connected/4.
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For like four loco.
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For like four loco.
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So some sad news, but there is a silver lining to it.
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So a friend of the show, actually was our guest host last week, Mr. Jason Snell, has
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departed IDG and Macworld today.
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And unfortunately as well today there have been some changes at Macworld in which some
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fantastic people have lost their jobs or have left.
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There's been a lot of change.
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Macworld Magazine is going away.
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It's the end of an era for Macworld Magazine and macworld.com will be continuing.
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So I think first off I want to give on behalf of Relay, on behalf of all of us, our best
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to everyone who has been affected by this news today because they are friends of the
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But the silver lining is Mr. Jason Snell is going to be a part of Relay FM now.
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Did you have, sorry Stephen, did you have something?
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I can hear you in the background, ready to say something.
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- It is, I tweeted this earlier,
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but I've been published in Macworld,
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as a lot of people have, they were always really good.
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If you were an up and coming writer,
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I emailed a bunch of those guys over the years,
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worked with an editor there a couple of times,
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and I really will miss the printed Macworld.
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It was something that I would go buy,
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I had a subscription for a while,
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write it on the iPad and newsstand for the last couple
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years and it's just a real cornerstone of our little world.
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And yes, it'll be on the web, but you know,
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and I'm sure the people who are staying
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and people who run the web will do a great job,
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but it is sad and a lot of our friends
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are now looking for work and our community
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is going to be worse off without a printed
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Macworld magazine, I think, and I don't just say that
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because I'm an old man with like a journalism degree.
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Like I really believe that they held an important,
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an important corner of our world.
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You know, they've been around since 1984.
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I mean, they're a 30 year old institution
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and we're super excited to have Jason on board.
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You know, I wrote in our company,
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our brand's blog today, like,
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Myke and I, like you and I really were honored
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when Jason approached us about this deal
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and we couldn't be happier to have him here,
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but it definitely is a dark day for the community as well.
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So the good news is, Clockwise, which is a current podcast that IDG have at TechHive,
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is going to be joining Relay soon. We will have more updates about that soon. We have to just do
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some stuff for the technical side. And Jason will be having a new show, which I'm going to be helping
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him out with, called Upgrade. And that's going to be starting very soon. So keep your eye out for
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that we've got some exciting stuff planned so yeah there's gonna be a lot
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of Jason Snell all over the internet and thankfully you're not gonna sunset
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Jason's brands I'm trying not to I'm trying to give Jason a sunrise if
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anything nice oh dear good job man thanks guys I'll just keep going we
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should just move on. So this is a big, big week, huge week as some would say. Apple
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took the stage yesterday at the Flint Center in Cupertino and introduced a
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Flint Center. What did I say? No, I was listening to last week's episode and it was Flint Center.
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Sorry. The website's really good, they haven't updated it yet. And so our plan
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today is to kind of give some overall thoughts and then break it down and
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through the iPhone the payment stuff and the watch and I think all three of us
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have watched the cat so the stream we should start like the stream had a lot
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of issues it was really actually frustrating to watch yesterday which is
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a shame right because they've hyped it up so much and they should have been
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expecting it I'm sure that they were I'm sure there's only so much you can do but
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it was very frustrating. It was embarrassing considering all the hype and all the anticipation
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that went to the promotion and all the tweets and the apple.com, it was kind of embarrassing.
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Because they did a real fancy job with that page and then it was just like severely broken.
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Video was starting and failing, there was like the Chinese, I think it was Chinese translation,
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like the bed underneath yeah dubbed in which was it's kind of distracting yeah it's i have a friend
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of mine uh who's here in town and uh he actually speaks chinese he's bilingual speaks chinese and
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english and he was like it gave me a headache like i had to just like stop watching because
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i was keeping up with both it'd be like an echo yeah so they they ended up getting that sorted
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out I mean I think at work we watched the last you know all the watch stuff on
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and it was it was fine but it clearly an energy at this event that we haven't
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really seen of Tim Cook like we had like an emotional Tim Cook and I really think
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and we'll get to this more later with the watch but like this is sort of his
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first keynote like I truly believe the watch is a project that originated you
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know that had its conception underneath Tim's watch this is not something that
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was in the works before Jobs passed away and you can see that right like he he
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uses the line you know one more thing and he actually I want to rewatch it
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last night he actually gets choked up yeah when he says that line which is
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like I really believe is genuine like it I think it's really him the weight
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yeah yeah I think the thing that some of this excitement though was present in
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WWDC I think that there was you could see from him as well that there were
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things that were Tim Cook's Apple there as well and I think the excitement
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started there but it definitely was more palpable in this presentation especially
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Especially from them.
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Yeah, I think there was a different vibe from WWDC.
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And I mean, of course, these are different products.
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You know, this is consumer stuff.
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It's a phone and a watch.
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And the kind of crowd is also different, because at WWDC, you have all these developers with
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new technologies and APIs.
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But it felt, like Steven said, it felt like a different Tim Cook.
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and it felt like a different Apple on stage, even different from, you know, because in
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June we were saying "oh this is a new Apple, this is a different Apple" and this one was
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also different in another way.
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And I don't know if it's, you know, if it's maybe the fact that they announced a product
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that is so focused on fashion and, you know, being a mass market product for all kinds
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of consumers.
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But it felt different, it felt new and it was strange and maybe it's the fact that the
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live stream had all sorts of issues and so I was kind of struggling to keep up with the
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And maybe it's also the bigger phone, right?
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Because we got so used to thinking about the iPhone as the compact phone.
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So it was a lot of different aspects and factors that together make me think that it was kind
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strange and and I think it's a lot to process but in a different way than
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WWDC it's like meeting a friend after a decade and and it's strange there's
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Apple with a watch and with a bigger phone that doesn't seem like Apple right
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I agree yeah and even the pacing right like Apple's events are methodical and I
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I mean just a couple minutes in he's like showing the new iPhone and it's I
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Think 40 minutes or so in like they're done with the iPhone and done with iOS 8 and it's time for something else
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So the pace was definitely fast. It was still I it was still two hours long
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Yeah, and a lot of the watch stuff was in video, you know, there was a really long Johnny I've white room video
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With a lot of like flying watches and and there was a demo by you know, the old Adobe guy
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It was just a different pace and I think that
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Reflects their excitement about it
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You know, we'll get a little bit later about maybe why that excitement could hurt them
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But overall sort of a different vibe, but one that was not bad
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I mean, it was a very enjoyable event to watch and to take you know take in
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Yeah, I guess the only
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weird parts were the YouTube and the mobile game?
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The demo of the game? Like it seemed unnecessary.
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I mean the graphics were nice but it seems
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this kind of demos unless it's a huge company like
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Epic Games or you know electronic cards
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they're always a bit like it's filler
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right? It's stuff that it's there for you know
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I don't know why and YouTube
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you know it was just strange.
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Or like the finger touch?
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The game, like I would understand if they had something new to show but we
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already saw a demo of Metal.
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Yeah it wasn't necessary.
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When you're rushing through it, like to spend like five or ten minutes
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with a company showing an interesting game but
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it seemed a little bit peculiar in this one but
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- And they skipped all of the normal,
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this is how the Apple Store is doing,
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this is how the Mac is doing.
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I think we will see that in October at the iPad event.
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But it was like, just jump in, straight business.
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We also learned, there's a GIF in the chat room
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and in the show notes.
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And if you actually, if you go to the page on Relay FM,
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you'll see it in action.
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There's a, like, Tim Cook is actually like fist-pumping
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in front of a crowd of cheering people,
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and maybe he's going to jump into a mosh pit.
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- He's fist pump guy now.
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- He's fist pump guy, he's double fist pump guy.
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- There is a potential, there is a potential
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that Tim was the original fist pump guy
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because Steve was on stage.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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What if Tim Cook has been the fist pumping guy all along?
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- We've uncovered a real, this is a real secret.
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Tiptak meme.
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So let's talk about Linda and then come back
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to the new iPhones.
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- Sounds great to me, guys.
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So this week was another example of Apple sort of announcing, at least in the phone
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space, basically what people expected. There was even a joke about "oh in case
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you don't know what their sizes are" - it's like if you don't know already like - yeah
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wink wink. And that's sort of to be expected I think Apple having a sense of
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humor about that at least on stage. I'm sure privately that they don't find it
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funny. Heads are rolling. Yeah I mean someone booted one from like extra parts
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But so quickly, you know, 4.7 to 5.5 inches.
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The specs are the same except battery life
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and the optical image stabilization,
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which we'll get back to.
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And I for one think it's really nice looking.
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Jason had a picture on Twitter of the two phones
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with the original iPhone laying next to them
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and it kind of harkens back to that with the curved edges,
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the backs are all aluminum.
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I think they look really nice.
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- Yeah, Apple has been doing all the rounded edges thing
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with like the iPod touch and the iPhone 5C.
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And actually I think it looks more like
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the latest iPod touches more than the original iPhone.
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But I do see the point, right?
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And I do think that it's more comfortable to hold
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thanks to the rounded edges.
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And it looks more friendly as well
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because the iPhone 5 and before the iPhone 4, you know, with the sharp edges, they always
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looked and felt a bit too, I guess, sophisticated.
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Industrial, as I feel like.
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Industrial, yeah.
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The rounded edges significantly help with the larger screens too.
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It helps them sit in the hand a little bit more and it makes it more comfortable, so
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when you're reaching, you're not getting, like, stabbed by a glass corner.
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It sounds silly, but it really does help.
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So I wanted to print.
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There's this sort of paper mockup of the--
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and Steven, you link to this PDF, too.
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You can print your own iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus
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and see what it looks like.
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And so last night at about 5 AM, or maybe 6 AM,
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I tried to print this PDF from--
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I went to Steven's website and I opened this PDF and I wanted to print it.
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I was afraid that it was early morning and the noise of the printer would wake people
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Like that, somewhere in the back room.
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Is that your mouth making that noise?
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I don't know what to say.
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I realized that I was out of ink, so I couldn't print the paper thing.
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So I went to Apple's website and there's the compare all the iPhones, right?
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There's a little web page that you can do a comparison.
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And it looks like the image at the top is a real size screenshot, a real size photo
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with all the iPhones.
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So I took my iPhone 5s and I put it on the screen and I confirmed, no hold on, and I
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confirmed that it was a real size iPhone.
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So I spent like 30 minutes at like 6am with my hand on the screen trying to figure out
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if the iPhone 6 Plus is too big for me.
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And so this morning, this morning I opened my MacBook Air and I found all these matches
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on the display.
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Did you put your face on your screen at any point?
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No, just my full hand, right?
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And I just pretended to hold the phone.
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I even resized the Safari window to like put it next to the bezel and just hold it.
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Yeah, it was a...
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I don't know what I was doing.
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What did you learn from this?
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It's kind of big.
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Okay, great.
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Let's move on.
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This is true pro blogging.
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I did the same thing and I have to say, I think the 4.7 is the one for me.
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I guess we can we can move on into the display a little bit. Let's talk about them
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and then we can talk about what we think what we're gonna get if anything.
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So they're using something called photo aligned pixels which in the keynote they sort of gloss over
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but apparently the screens look better.
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They're calling them retina HD displays which it's the same the 6-inch and the iPhone 5 or the excuse me the
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4.7 and the old 4.8 inch display is the same density. So I don't know
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HD is just sort of added to it because it's cool
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The big one is at 401 pixels per inch. So it's it's it's nice and it's 1080
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So it's 1920 by 1080. It's all of the pixels basically all of them. They're all in them two million there
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So they said in the keynote that they're slightly curved, but I didn't see anybody really talking about that and the hands-on videos
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I watched yeah, so I don't know how aggressive that curve is. I assume it's super slight. I
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I think so too. But it's interesting, I think again trying to make it more comfortable in
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the hand. Someone just put in the share notes, Panic apparently is 3D printing them so they
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can hold them for real, which is sort of awesome. So that'll be in the share notes.
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Hair Force Ones is in the chatroom.
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Probably not the same guy.
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It definitely is.
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So can we talk about Reachability for a second?
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name the worst name of anything it's not as bad as continuity but so more or less
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if you double tap on the the home button is this on both iPhone 6 and 6 plus I
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don't I don't think it's just 6 plus so if you double tap it basically the whole
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UI slides down so you can easily push a button at the top of the screen is like
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- Double tap or double touch?
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- Double touch.
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- Double touch.
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- Which is trying to, like I have always struggled
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like when I was showing people Touch ID.
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But just press your finger on the home screen.
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No, no, no, no, no, not Siri.
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Just press and, no, no, don't do it.
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- I'm really liking the sound effects today.
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- I'm all about sound effects, clearly.
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I've discovered this about myself.
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- You remember the movie Police Academy?
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yeah I basically that guy yeah you're like the the the apple beatboxer
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I am beatboxer and there were there been a report out in the New York Times that
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Apple was going to have some sort of one-handed mode and apparently this is
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it which is a lot better than what Samsung does with a cram it all in the
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corner and I could see this being helpful you know Phil Schiller says you
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know not all apps support swipe gestures and so it's if you need the back button
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you can do it. I hope that this is one of those things that we sort of forget
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about and you don't really need a lot of the time but it is nice that it's there
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No, it will be difficult right so I've been I've been looking at some of some
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of our favorite applications. There are things that you will need to get to in
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that top left or that top right like tweetbot for example there are
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important pieces that's navigation in the top left and top right it's something
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that's needed because there just simply isn't enough space on the bottom. Well,
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there might be on the new one, but you're never gonna get all of the
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important items that you need in the bottom. It's a clever thing to
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have. It's an inelegant solution. It's an ingenious inelegant solution to a
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real problem. It's inelegant because it's weird, right? The whole
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phone UI just slides down the screen. That's just strange. But it's
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smart and it will do the job but it is maybe more displaying a baked-in problem.
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It's highlighting a problem that exists via the solution itself.
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It's smart. I like it.
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I have a few points, Myke.
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Yes, please.
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I totally agree with you that at first I was...
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When I first saw the screenshot, I was hoping that it would turn out to be
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running iPhone apps in compatibility mode on the iPad.
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Like something that it's there, it's not elegant,
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but for some people it's necessary and all the other...
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I mean the majority of users have likely forgotten about that feature.
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But I agree with you when you say that it's an ingenious solution for a real problem,
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because for as much as you try to keep the controls at the bottom and use gestures,
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there are just some buttons and some pieces of the interface that you gotta keep at the top of the display.
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So you gotta use something like Reachability to get to those buttons easily.
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And I also think that using the double touch on the home button is an interesting idea.
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Because I guess it opens up for another kind of control on iOS devices.
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Like right now we are using the you know, the the touch for touch ID and now there's gonna be double touch for each ability
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But what about the iPad is it possible that you know, there was a rumor about the iPad gaining
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About the iPad gaining and split multitasking and multitasking split screen feature
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So could it be you know that maybe double touch is gonna be used to to split the screen in two and use
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The app you're using and the most recent app from the multitasking tray at the same time
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That could be an idea because I don't see you know, there's not gonna be a reachability problem on the iPad
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So Apple now has a new gesture a new a new command essentially that's not used on the iPad
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That I think that that's quite a smart idea. I think that works in my brain
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And the last point is that I'm curious to see if in reachability mode
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What happens to the status bar when you basically pull down an app to reach the top of the interface?
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Can you tap on the status bar while in reachability mode to scroll a list to the top?
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Like you can by tapping the status bar normally, that's one of my questions and I look forward to the reviews
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next Tuesday or Wednesday, what is it that they that they will hit the interwebs?
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It's interesting too on the big phone that they're sort of doing landscape mode a little bit differently because when you turn
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That big phone sideways the home screen rotates like it does on the iPad and they're showing
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To up display like on the iPad so on the phone in mail you either see your list of messages
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Or you see the messages themselves and the big phone sideways
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You see you see like you do like you do on the tablet, and I've really been
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like thinking
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thinking this over
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Because an app does not have to be universal to do this, you know the new stuff in iOS 8 allows you to do this
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In just an iPhone app, but I do wonder what will happen
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Overall with universal apps. Will this have an impact?
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Does it make it does adaptive layout make it easier to make an iPad version of your UI and so people just start doing universal
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apps because it's easier or is it less likely to do it?
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I'm just curious how that's going to play out.
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I think it'll be interesting to see over the next year, uh, what happens there.
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But I do like that they are using that, that extra display space for extra things
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like in landscape, the six plus.
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Keyboard shows copy and paste commands.
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I think there's also a cursor selection, like cursor movement buttons.
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There's like a left and right, right?
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Did you see that?
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I haven't seen anybody mentioned that.
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I wanted to mention that because there are custom buttons to do stuff that are not enabled
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in third-party keyboards and in general allowed for third-party developers to access.
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And there was a tweet by the Oles Zorn, the Pythonista editorial guy today showing all
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the buttons that Apple is putting in the keyboard for the iPhone 6 Plus.
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like a cut feature which you cannot access programmatically when you create a custom
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And so there's gonna be, you know, those are all features, exclusive features to Apple
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software that will become feature requests for iOS 9 in a few months.
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I feel like they couldn't have indicated that this was a possibility before now though,
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because it would have given it away.
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So maybe it would come sooner than that.
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And I don't think we'll see that on the iPad. I bet that in landscape on the iPad, the keyboards
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will pick this up. And before I forget, or before the chat room murders us, reachability
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is on both phones.
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Okay, great.
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So that's nice.
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A little time follow up, right?
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That's right.
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About the iPad layout, I think it's just Apple is generally advising developers to develop
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applications using adaptive layouts, so I don't think it's going to change the fact
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that they need to create two separate apps and two separate designs.
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Apple is just saying use this new API to make sure that on the phone and on the iPad you
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can scale your design and layout according to new screen sizes.
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But I don't think that the fact that you have an iPad app necessarily makes it easy.
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I guess it makes it easier from a conceptual standpoint because you know how things should
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move on screen, but from a technical perspective it's still two separate things.
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And also, I mean of course there's a rumor about a larger iPad coming, the iPad Pro,
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like 50 inches, I don't know. And so maybe developers will, you know, also on the iPad
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there will be an advantage in using these new adaptive layouts things when eventually
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there will be a new iPad with a display so big, Jim Master is gonna scream in excitement.
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The size thing is, you know, I did the same thing you did.
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I printed them out and my wife for one is not excited.
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I think Marco's wife Tiffany tweeted about this
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last night too.
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Like, there's a lot of people who aren't excited
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about a bigger phone and of course the cynic is like,
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oh well you get a big phone and leave it in your bag
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and your Apple Watch does all this stuff.
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And it's, you know, the 5.5 is too big for me.
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I'm gonna go with the 4.7.
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I think a lot of people will but it is interesting to see some of this backlash that if you want
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a four inch phone you have to buy an old one and I understand that Apple's moving forward
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and I don't begrudge them for that but it is, you know, seeing some people's feedback
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on that over the last 24 hours has been pretty interesting to me.
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My girlfriend is not gonna buy a new iPhone because of the size.
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She thinks it's too big for her hands and she's gonna try to get a 5S.
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And maybe she's an exception, I don't think so.
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I do believe that there are lots of people who honestly just want the current 4-inch
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iPhone and maybe some people do want the old iPhone 4 sized iPhone and they're not gonna
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get the new 6 or 6 Plus and it'll be interesting to see if this is a real problem, if this
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is just some people and maybe if these people will eventually upgrade because they just
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want the new iPhone and if next year Apple is gonna release after all a 4 inch iPhone
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that's a new iPhone because I was also thinking about what if the problem is from a technological
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perspective what if the problem is that they added all these new sensors right there's
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a new stuff for the to measure your pressure like barometer and there's all these other
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stuff right there NFC what if the problem is that they couldn't fit all these new stuff
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in the current 4-inch design.
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Strong chance.
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And what if next year they manage to make it smaller and to figure out ways to make
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it fit into the case of the iPhone 5S?
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So next year there's gonna be three sizes and people are gonna be happier and they're
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gonna upgrade to an iPhone 6S or iPhone 7 or whatever it's called.
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Yeah, I mean I think that they're gonna do what they've always done there and that these
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phones maybe just one of them becomes the old phone I don't see them putting
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this technology in a four inch chassis I think that I think a lot of people will
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look at that and say oh the big size didn't work Apple's going backwards and
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that's just not something they want to deal with it's much easier just to say
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well keep making this phone and just sell it for $100 less I think the 5c
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will prove to be historically be an outlier in which they sort of had a
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quote new phone in that in that middle price point I wouldn't be surprised to
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see as we go into the future the 5c become like the iPod touch so it's
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always there even as the phones are bigger and bigger and they kind of just
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make very small upgrades to it every couple of years or something so they
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always have it as an option for people that want it and it just remains like a
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free option yeah but maybe it's new territory they've never had new to top
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to your phones at the same time so I think to a degree any pattern could be up for disruption.
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So anything else we want to talk about in regards to this sort of stuff or should I
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take a break now and then we talk about what we want to get, what we think we're going
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Yeah the camera technology, you know sort of the gains in this this year are really
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interesting.
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Using focus pixels for phase detection, Phil Stiller said it's a big deal and it really
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It's it's DSLR technology in a mobile phone now. It's not to say it's DSLR
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You know lens package with you know, you have a lot of space when the glass and the sensor
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It's not saying that it's going to compete with something, you know that you could buy from Nikon or Canon for thousands of dollars
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But I think Apple has gone after and at this point
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It's probably killed the point shoot market and maybe even sort of like the low-end, you know, sort of mid-range. Excuse me
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digital camera
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it's really a
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Impressive that they keep moving the bar every year on the on the camera. There's some other stuff to
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1080p at 60 frames per second is nice
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Slow-mo is now 240 frames per second like that video of the guy jump roping was crazy. Yeah
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You know you're saying about how like it's not DSLR like, you know, that's what quality but it's moving towards it
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The crazy thing to me is every year
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Camera continues to get better and better like they continue to edge further and further into this
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field like they add this thing and they add this thing and it makes it better in this way in this way and the
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Camera is one of the most interesting parts to me at the way that they iterate the phone
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Wait, it just gets better every single time
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Not not everything else does but every time they release an iPhone the camera gets better in some way
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I just see that the advancements that they're making, to me, I mean, I'm not that entrenched in the camera industry.
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But surely it feels like they're making steps faster than the camera industry is moving.
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And so it's bringing the distance between them closer and closer together.
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It's interesting to me that they always say that music is very important in Apple's DNA,
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But they never make the speakers better on the iPhone.
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Because I mean, I mean, there are going to be people upset at me for saying this, but occasionally I do listen to music on the iPhone speakers.
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Because I don't have time to go find my headphones. I'm not Marco Amant. I don't have, you know, all this stuff in my house for listening to music.
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and so sometimes I just listen with the iPhone and it's never, every year it's never better.
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And so I agree with you Myke, it's impressive what they do with the camera. I wish that they
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would do the same with the speakers. I wouldn't be surprised if we see something in the next phone
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because of beats. Because all of those really cool HTC speakers, you know like
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the JUULs, they were beats speakers. And they were good. I
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actually played around with one of those, where the speaker on the top and the
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bottom of the phone. I'm not saying they're gonna do that, but like the
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speaker technology may get better. We'll see. I would like it to personally,
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because I'm the same as you. I have a jam box that I use quite a lot, but there are
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times when I haven't got that with me and I'm at home and maybe I'm cooking
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dinner or something. I listen to even just podcasts but I would love the quality to be better.
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Plus Beats as an official feature it would be a huge marketing boost I guess.
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It definitely would because that's why HTC did it.
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That including Beats audio is a great big tick on the marketing plan.
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So, what are we going to buy?
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Who wants to go first?
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I think Federico's will be the most interesting.
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So should he go first?
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Teach, tell us all about it.
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Yeah, so here's what I've been thinking.
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So for the past two years, I've been using an iPad mini and of course an iPhone.
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And I wrote about the reason why I chose the iPad mini is because it lets me use the iPad
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more because it's so light and so thin that I can type in portrait mode because I'm not
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afraid of thumb typing and I just prefer the form factor of the iPad mini.
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So yesterday I was looking at these new phones and as I told you guys I did the MacBook Air
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screen test with my hand and I think I'm going with the iPhone 6 Plus and the new 64GB model
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because I'm not going to go with 16GB of storage ever again.
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My reasoning is that my hand is big enough to handle that kind of display and I realized
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that most of the time when I'm using my iPhone I don't necessarily need one-handed
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usage all the time. There were, in the past two years, occasions in which I needed the
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one-handed operation when I couldn't use my arms and hopefully there's not gonna
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to be any more of that.
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And so, especially after seeing the custom interfaces in landscape on the iPhone 6 Plus,
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it looks like an iPad Mini Mini in a way.
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And so, my idea was that I could get the iPhone 6 Plus at 64GB of storage, that would be effectively
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a super portable iPad Mini and also a phone.
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And for the iPad, because I do like, you know, I do love the iPad, I could get an iPad Air,
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and, well, if it's still called the iPad Air, not the Pro, not the, you know, the 50-inch
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model that's coming out, you know, the 10-inch iPad.
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So go back to the roots of my iPad history and get a regular iPad and, you know, turn
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it officially into my portable computer and see what happens.
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And worst case scenario, next year I'm gonna get like an iPhone 5C and go back to the iPad
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I'm not gonna go back to the iPhone 5C, by the way, it's just a joke.
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Anything is possible, buddy.
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get like one of those Android phones for people obsessed with privacy like the
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black phone you guys ever seen a black phone oh I know you're talking about yeah
00:47:34
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yeah it's like a black a black brick with no features I don't know I think I'm
00:47:40
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gonna go with the iPhone 6 plus see what happens use it as an iPad mini slash
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iPhone, get a bigger iPad, and give Apple a lot of money, of course, because that stuff
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is going to be expensive.
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I mean, you know in Euros, the iPhone that I want to get, it's over 900 Euros, which
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Which for you American people, it means that I'm buying a phone that it's gonna cost me
00:48:15
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What configuration are you getting?
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iPhone 6 Plus.
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In what size?
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What the hell is happening in Italy?
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It's 949 euros.
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Do the conversion yourself.
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No, I agree.
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It's... but that's...
00:48:37
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Okay, because I'm... I'll jump ahead. That's what I'm getting.
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But either I'm drunk or...
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It's way cheaper!
00:48:47
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Which is like $1100.
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Hold on, I'm checking again.
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You know, just to make sure.
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iPhone 6 Plus starts at
00:48:59
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The model that I want to get.
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So, Space Gray
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64GB 949€. That is insane. Off contract. Yeah, but I'm looking off contract too. So,
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off contract, iPhone 6 Plus starts at 619 pounds, 699 pounds for the 64GB. Federico,
00:49:22
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that is insane. Yeah, look in the chatroom for prices around the world. Yeah, this is
00:49:29
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- Plus in Norway is $1200.
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- Yeah, which is what it is for me.
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- So Myke and Federico, you're both doing the plus 64 gig.
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- My sort of thinking is quite similar to Federico.
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I'm really intrigued by the semi iPad interface
00:49:46
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'cause I use my phone so much.
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I like the idea of being able to turn it on its side
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and get more out of it.
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The keyboard stuff is really interesting to me.
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I like the idea of it.
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I do like having a larger screen in general.
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I don't know if I'm gonna like a screen this big.
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I saw a relative today who has a six inch phone
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and it was okay to hold.
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Like it wasn't the best thing ever, but it was fine.
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It was definitely usable.
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There's definitely more two handed use than one handed use,
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but one handed use is possible.
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I am a little bit concerned that developers
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won't take full advantage of the 6 Plus.
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I'm worried that developers probably won't buy,
00:50:31
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a lot of developers won't buy it
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because it's been getting a bit of like,
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oh, why would you buy that kind of phone?
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So I'm concerned that people won't take full advantage of it
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that is a concern, so I'm hoping that the device
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sells really well so it forces people into doing it.
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'Cause I think that's somewhat a problem
00:50:47
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that we've seen with the iPad recently, right?
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People are stopping to use it.
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And obviously I want higher battery life.
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- Oh yeah, thanks for mentioning that, yeah.
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- I want higher battery life.
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This phone promises that.
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However, if it doesn't give me the amount that I need,
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I cannot put a Mophie case on this
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'cause it will be too big.
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- It's gonna be like a skateboard in your hand.
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- Yeah, it will be insane.
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I will need someone else to come around with me
00:51:21
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to carry my phone for me.
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- You would need a license for that.
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- So basically, this is my thinking.
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I already have one of those Mophie juice packs
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and I figured that in a best case scenario,
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I would need that in emergencies, but not every day.
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Like I currently use with my,
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I mean like the Mophie brick, right?
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I have one of those,
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but I also have the Mophie case on my phone.
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I need the Mophie case on my phone
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for my phone to just be operational for a whole day.
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with the amount that I use it.
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But I'm hoping that my phone will get me through
00:51:54
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most of the day, maybe one charge at lunch or something,
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or when I'm sitting at my desk for a bit, which is fine.
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And then if I'm out somewhere, or I'm traveling,
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then I can rely on the little Mopi brick.
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So what I figure I'm gonna do is I'm not sure
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if I can use the screen, I don't know how great
00:52:17
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that's gonna be, I don't know how the battery's
00:52:19
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gonna be for me but I have 14 days in which I can return it. It's true. So
00:52:24
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that's what I'm gonna do. I plan to I'm gonna get the 6 Plus. So what are you
00:52:27
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gonna do with your iPad because you have a mini. Yes that's the other thing I
00:52:30
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don't know there like in theory in my mind I won't need an iPad anymore
00:52:35
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because they're so close like really there's I think the difference there is
00:52:40
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it actually ends up not being that much I can type with two hands on the iPad
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I don't know if we had to do that on the iPhone, who knows?
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There's all these questions.
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I don't know what I would do iPad wise.
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I don't think I'd ever want an iPad Air.
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I don't like it.
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I think it's too big.
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I think it would be strange to have both a mini and the 6 Plus, but we'll see.
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I mean, I am very intrigued by this phone, but it may be that I go two weeks and it's
00:53:14
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just not the one for me.
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I should say that I'm not sure. I may change my mind. Especially because of the money.
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But the other thing to say about the Mophie, sorry Federico, is a 4.7 inch phone with a
00:53:26
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Mophie is also too big.
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Why don't you use an external battery pack? Not a case.
00:53:33
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I do, but I have one. But I'm out and about and on the go, walking around and doing things.
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So it just sits in this case.
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I don't want to be carrying around this brick and cable
00:53:47
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and putting that in my pocket.
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Yeah, you know why I use it?
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It's because I drive a car.
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There you go.
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And I have room for the cable and everything.
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Yeah, it makes sense.
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The second I'm in my car, and I use Bluetooth audio,
00:54:00
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but I still have a lightning cable in the car,
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so I can charge the second that I'm in there.
00:54:09
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So you guys are both doing at this point six plus.
00:54:13
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- Maybe, Myke doesn't know what he's doing with his iPad.
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Federico is thinking about a bigger iPad.
00:54:18
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So I have the iPhone 5, I did not upgrade to the 5S,
00:54:23
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and I have the iPad Air.
00:54:25
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My plan is to do the 6, the 4.7 inch phone.
00:54:28
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The battery life is tempting, it's not drastic.
00:54:32
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If it was several hours more,
00:54:35
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instead of one or two hours more,
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I think it would be more tempting.
00:54:38
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And the optical image stabilization is tempting,
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but I think going from the five to the six
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will be a nice enough improvement on the camera
00:54:46
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that I'll be okay.
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So my plan is to do the 64 gig iPhone 6, not the plus,
00:54:52
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and I'm gonna pre-order Friday morning.
00:54:56
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- Yeah, I'll be pre-ordering.
00:55:00
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- Of course, in Italy, we gotta wait a week.
00:55:02
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- Oh, really?
00:55:04
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- Oh, sorry, man.
00:55:05
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- It's out on the 26th, yeah.
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I'm hoping that I'll be pre-ordering and then I'm gonna be in Italy and Federico refuses to come and meet me
00:55:13
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So that's me now?
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When I get home from Italia, hopefully there'll be a phone waiting for me.
00:55:28
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Dude, they're supposed to deliver
00:55:29
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The phone in the US is supposed to ship like September 18th or 19th
00:55:34
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which is right when we're having our baby and so it's a I get like super slow-mo the birth if it's
00:55:39
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This fun is likely gonna be bigger than your baby
00:55:44
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It's true. I don't know. We've had pretty big babies in the past. So we'll see
00:55:49
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So we should talk about
00:55:56
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We should we should hold this a bit because this I have like a million things to say I think
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we should maybe just top-level it and then come back to it.
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But basically, Apple did exactly what I expected.
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NFC, they have this secure enclave thing.
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It's not an Apple thing, like it's a standard thing
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for banks to allow you to use NFC for their payments
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to be a third party.
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You have to have something that is called
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a secure enclave in the phones.
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It could be another reason why Apple
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haven't done it right now, because it was another thing
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they had to put in the phone.
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it's like a separate chip.
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And I think it interacts with the SIM card in some way.
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Because you typically,
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typically with other, in other institutions
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or other examples of this,
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you register your phone number with your bank as well,
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which helps enable this sort of transaction.
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I don't know if Apple are doing that,
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it might just be using an Apple ID type scenario with that.
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There's a lot of interesting stuff here.
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The fact that they're US only is kind of expected,
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but I think is not the right place to do it.
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As I said before, Europe is much more,
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it has the infrastructure in place already to deal with this.
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Apple is having to probably strong arm
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a lot of these companies and help them along
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in getting this done.
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But obviously it's the only place they would do it.
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Why would they do it anywhere else to start with?
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I love these conversations, I love on Slice Slides,
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we're like, and we're hoping to work with,
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they've not spoken to any bank outside
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the United States of America.
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They haven't.
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And now they're just hoping that the other banks
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will come knocking.
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But Apple will have to court everyone on this
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because these are huge financial institutions.
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It is exactly everything that you would want.
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I haven't seen payment limits yet.
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I don't know if they're out, but in theory,
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you should be, if your bank permits,
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you should be able to do transactions
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of multiple hundreds of dollars with this
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because of the added security of Touch ID.
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So that's a really interesting idea.
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Typically these sort of contactless payments,
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as they're called in Europe and other places,
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is for small amounts.
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Because Apple is using this,
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it's a second factor authentication method
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by having the Touch ID sensor involved
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that you should be able to do larger amounts.
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It's super interesting, but I think we're not gonna see
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the ramifications of this in the US for some time,
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because there is select retailers, some weird retailers,
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that don't seem to fit Apple like McDonald's, strange.
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I was surprised we didn't see Starbucks.
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- So it was on one slide, but not on the other.
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I don't know what the deal was with that.
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- Right, okay.
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- But more so than that,
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I bank with a small local credit union that is not,
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they barely have online banking.
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They're not gonna do this.
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And so for me, yes, our business account is at a big bank,
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but my personal one is not.
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And so there's some confusion to me.
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They say if your debit card is in iTunes, you can use it,
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but if your bank doesn't allow it, can you use it?
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There's a lot of gray area.
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- I think the debit card in iTunes part
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is for like in-app purchases with Apple Pay
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as opposed to card transactions via NFC with Apple Pay.
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They are two separate things.
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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So we're gonna keep an eye on it.
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And I'm sure we will revisit.
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- One of those things, we're gonna change the world
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and then there's a little asterisk
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and the asterisk says US only.
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- Yeah, we're gonna change the world one country at a time.
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- It's really hard for me to care at this point.
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I mean, it's super fascinating.
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It's just, you know, in America.
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- Like, I want this so bad, you can't even understand.
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- This is a feature that I really want
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'cause I love the contactless technology.
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Like, there is so many things that can be done with this.
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And also, including NFC in the phones is a big deal
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and there could be so many things Apple could do with that,
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like with HomeKit, which we don't know
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that's going to be opened up at any point but like homekit and handoff and
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continuity NFC could play a big role in that in the future. Yeah it is
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interesting that the payments are opened to third parties they showed uber target
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a couple others so that's pretty interesting but I do you know I do fear
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that it will be sort of a niche market but you know we will see you know it's
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It's hard to gauge this sort of thing.
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Is this going to be something that really makes a difference or is it going to be something
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that's sort of just like, oh I use it in the Apple Store and Whole Foods but most of the
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time it doesn't impact my life.
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See this is the thing, it would be used in Europe.
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Like I know it would and it's a big thing here.
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It wouldn't be used in Viterbo but maybe in Europe it would be used.
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Will people finally start caring about Passbook thanks to this?
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Is it even Passbook though?
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It's Passbook.
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It's in Passbook, right?
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I thought there might have been an Apple Pay app.
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I didn't recall that.
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There's a new icon for Passbook too.
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It's like a new design.
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Right, let's take a break because I spent more time on that than I said I was going
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I really care about this, guys.
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I think I'm the only person.
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You really care about money.
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Me and Eddy Cue, we really care about this.
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So-- - The time,
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the time has come.
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- We gotta talk about one more thing.
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- The wearable.
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So Federico, break this down, tell us how it is.
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So Apple announced a watch and it's not called the iWatch, it's called Apple Watch.
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And it comes in three different models, the Apple Watch, the Apple Watch Sport and the
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Apple Watch Edition, which is going to be the most expensive version.
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Each model has two sizes, I assume one is a women's model, the other is a standard model
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for larger hands, that was at least my assumption.
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It's a watch, basically.
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It's clearly not a device made for tech geeks, necessarily.
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It's a very fashionable item.
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Apple spent a lot of efforts both on the website and in the product videos talking about the
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effort of making a smart, they never said smartwatch, right, because that's the term
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that we use to define, to describe these kind of devices. They wanted to highlight how they
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spent so much time trying to make a fine timepiece that builds on the tradition of watchmaking
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and combine that with features from the watchOS, which according to Apple is an iOS-based operating
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system for the watch.
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And so they try to really highlight how the Apple Watch wants to be a regular watch that
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you want to buy and that you want to wear and that you want to use as some kind of statement,
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is about statement and taste and luxury maybe in a way. But also the kind of watch that helps you
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take advantage of your time to manage time in a better way and to have an active lifestyle
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and to be in shape and to have a better connection with your iPhone. So Apple used the...
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I went to the Apple PR website and I went looking for the original press release for the first iPhone
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and Apple used the title "Apple reinvents the phone with iPhone" and instead with the Apple Watch,
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Apple is saying "the most personal device we ever made" and that's another big point from Apple
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is that they're trying to push the Apple Watch not only as a fashionable object, which it
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totally is because it's made from premium materials, and there's gonna be aluminum models,
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there's going to be stainless steel, there's going to be 18 straps and bands designed and
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crafted by Apple, there's going to be a gold option.
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And it is a fine object and a great looking, in my opinion, timepiece.
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But Apple is also trying to say that because it's on your wrist and because you wear the
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Apple Watch, we can make the software more personal by looking at stuff like your heart
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rate because we have sensors and because we can use that for some kind of software features
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that we're going to talk about in a few minutes.
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And so to my surprise, I have a lot of questions and doubts about the Apple Watch, right?
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Because we talked about this before a lot.
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And I think the product that we saw yesterday is kind of in the middle of what Myke was
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arguing and what I was arguing.
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I completely agree, and I'm so happy you see it that way.
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Yeah, I think it's kind of in the middle.
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I think we saw that there's a little spark of an idea of using sensors to make regular
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software more personal, but we didn't see much of that.
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We did see a lot of fashion, which is exactly what we were saying last year, or actually
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a few months ago. And we also saw a lot of traditional smartwatch features that Myke
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was saying, there's gonna be a lot of those. And I didn't think that Apple would do, you
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know, I mean, basically, I think Ben Thompson counted the number of apps shown in the screenshots
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and demo videos. Apple showed 64 apps for the Apple Watch.
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That interface looks insane. It looks good, but I don't even know if I'm going to know
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where to start. They had one app, which was a stopwatch, and then an app next to it that
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was a timer. You could put those in one. You don't need separate apps for the stopwatch
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and the timer. Apple is saying that all these apps are meant
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for lightweight functionalities and simple interactions.
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So I think that what we saw yesterday is a kind of middle ground between what Myke was
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saying, there's gonna be a smartwatch with all these notification features because I
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want to get stuff from my phone to my wrist because it's quicker, because it's easier
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and because it's more convenient in some situations.
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But there's also a strong health and fitness related aspect.
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And there is this idea of using sensors and feedback on your skin to make these apps behave
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in a different way than what we're used to with phones.
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But I think we'll have to wait and see if Apple is going to do more of that if there
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is stuff that we haven't seen yesterday because the Apple Watch doesn't ship until
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early next year.
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And so I have a lot of doubts and questions and I wasn't expecting Apple to do this kind
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of new product that does a lot of things.
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It's not the kind of product that you expect from Apple, because we're used to imagine
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that Apple does a very basic and simple thing and with time it gains more features, like
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iOS for instance, or like the iPhone.
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And instead, this looks like a new product.
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And I don't know what to think, I don't know because the cynical part of me wants to say
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Apple couldn't decide, so they just added everything.
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And the other part says maybe Apple now has the expertise after all these years of iOS
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and they know all, people eventually are gonna want all these features, so they're gonna
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start from the first version with all this stuff.
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And I don't know what to think right now.
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I think it is interesting that Apple is investing so much on the fashion component and on the
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materials, on the design, on the machinery used to create the bands and the straps.
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And it is going to be interesting to see with apps and sensors the kind of access the developers
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gain to information about your body, basically about your movements.
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And if this is going to play out as a fancier, Apple-like, traditional smartwatch, or if
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there's going to be at some point after the release, there's going to be the kind of surprise,
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kind of app and the kind of API that says "okay this is different and I need this"
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So I have a lot of thoughts but I'll let you guys continue because this is too much
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From a functionality standpoint, that was something that we argued about with smartwatches
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with the Pebble back on the prompt.
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I would say that you could split the functionality of the Apple Watch right at the middle.
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You have sort of smart watch air quote things like notifications and apps and sort of the
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weird messaging which is like I don't want to send anyone my heartbeat but whatever.
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I think on all of that stuff I think they're doing a nice job but I don't know if it's
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a drastically different thing to what Android Wear is doing right.
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It's all this like basic glanceable information but you still need your smartphone to respond
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to an email. Where I do think... Oh, you could use Siri. Yeah, which is like, Siri barely works on my phone. I don't.
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When he's on a watch. I say that now. Where I think they have moved the needle
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is on the fitness side of things and there's been a lot of people I talk in
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my office at work a lot of people on Twitter complain that it doesn't have
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its own GPS so I can't if I go for a run I have to take my phone with me if I
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I want to track where I've gone.
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And that's obvious, like 2.0 or 3.0 hardware feature.
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But I think Apple bringing fitness stuff to the masses
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is really interesting.
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Tim Cook said on stage, he said,
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"This is important to me and it's important to Apple."
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And that's another thing where like the one more thing
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comment, this is very clearly Tim Cook's product.
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And there's a lot of details that are still missing,
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clearly, but the fact that this thing not only tracks steps
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and heart rate and all that stuff, just like the Fitbit
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or the Samsung Watch or any other thing,
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I think where Apple is going to make a difference
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is sort of the coaching and sort of the,
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"Hey, let's get you moving a little bit more,"
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giving suggestions.
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And I know, I spoke to somebody today actually
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with the Jawbone Up 24 and the Jawbone app does some of that.
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But I think Apple's gonna make it really easy.
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And I think that, like when I think of the watch,
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so far, I'm using like 24 hours later,
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but my brain goes to the fitness stuff first.
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And I sort of view the notification app stuff
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almost as secondary and whether that is how it pans out
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in practice, I don't know.
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But I think it's pretty clear--
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- Is it a personal preference?
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'Cause I see it the opposite way.
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- Yeah, I'm with Steven, I totally agree.
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I think that the recommendations and the suggestions
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are gonna be a huge feature,
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especially because I mean,
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it's fine when you get all these charts and little graphs
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in the application on the phone and other stuff
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like the job and app, you know,
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but when you get a simple message like, you know,
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walk more or try to take a break, right?
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Don't just sit all day in front of your computer.
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You know, this kind of... and plus Apple is saying that the watch is going to learn over time
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from your habits and try to get better with the suggestions. I think that's a
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powerful message, right? The coaching and, you know,
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you can wear this device and with time it gets better because it learns
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And it's not just a pretty graph with, you know, progress.
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That's a powerful feature, I think.
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- Did you guys find in the demo
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like the possibility for confusion around
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what you do with touch and when you use the crown?
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- So I have,
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I have one problem that I have is like,
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when Tim started talking about this,
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he's like, "We don't want you touching the screen
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and hiding the screen."
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And then like 10 minutes later, like,
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and then you swipe and then you tap and it there seems like the amount of input methods
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so you can tap it you can swipe it you can force tap it you can speak to it and you can
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use the digital crown which can zoom or it can scroll or you can click it.
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It's basically no like there's no two finger gestures I don't think.
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I think there is one. I think actually... let me check.
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I think there is a two-finger gesture, I think.
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There is two... I think you would get used to it.
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And I'm sure that over time you would understand what things do.
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But it seems like there are too many input methods.
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Steven, do you want to know what the two-finger gesture is used for?
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To send your heartbeat to someone else.
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That heartbeat thing, by the way...
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I think I think it's super cute and it's very very sweet and I look at it and I'm like
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that is a lovely thing to do. You know it's not sweet? Creepy 3d emoji.
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Yeah okay that was a bit weird. The hands freak me out so much. But there's only one person in the world that I want to sell my
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heartbeat to. Me! And it's Steven and I'm no it's it's my girlfriend and I don't
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think that she's necessarily going to want to buy one of these.
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For a second I thought you were going to say Eric Schmidt.
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I mean I would send it to Eric Schmidt.
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He already has it.
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But like, so I was thinking like all of this stuff like these little, the drawing things
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and stuff like that, it's a really nice, I like it, I think it's very nice.
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But there aren't a lot of people in the world that I would want to send that sort of stuff
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weird if I sent Steven a little like heart that I drew out on my phone like I feel like I would use it completely
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like ironically
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Yeah, well and there's the whole thing Brian Hamilton brings up in the chat is so in the demo
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He's like I drew three blue circles and we just know that that's code for what are you gonna do for lunch?
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And again, like just a very message. Yeah. Well, it's a very intimate thing, right?
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like I'm sure you guys with your significant others have a shorthand right of
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Injokes or references and I get what they're trying to do and I can even get behind most of it
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but it it's it's obviously a new thing and I don't
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Like how like is that gonna just be cheesy in real life or is it going to be sweet? I don't know
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It's it's clearly too early to tell
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But I would like I would like to try it
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But I don't I I don't think it has like they have like when they brought up that little you press the button
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It shows all the faces like 12 people. I don't have 12 people. I want to send my heartbeat to
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It just doesn't exist and and even if I do I'm sure those 12 people won't all own one of these devices
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I'm I am very excited about this watch because it's it's basically
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everything that I wanted
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All right, it does some extra things that are really cool, but I wanted the Android wear
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Made by Apple so it gives me all of that information
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I mean that's the key thing for me is the information and it also will have apps that will allow you to do some
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Some extra things that's exactly what I wanted and it's made with Apple design and it looks fantastic
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That that that's what you know
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And and yes that that was what I've been asking for for the last few months and what me and Federico been screaming at each other
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Which makes the day feel very anticlimactic. There's no there's been no yelling about this
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Yeah, there's nothing to yell about like originally I was like I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna say see Federico
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I told you but then the more that I thought about it
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It's like, it is close to what Federico was saying
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in that it's done differently and it is more refined.
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Apple, I would say that they're not doing anything that,
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I mean everybody was saying,
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there's gonna be this unexpected thing
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that we can't even think about.
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I don't think we've got that.
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The only thing we didn't know
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is sending our heartbeat to each other
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and I don't think that that is this amazing thing
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that everyone was wishing for.
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I think if I, I'm just gonna go on with other things
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that I think about now.
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The watch faces on the whole, I don't think look very good.
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- And it seems like, so I'm on the apple.com/watch/design
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and there's like, I don't know, like 15 or so watch faces
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and in the video, it shows that you can change
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what they are, you can mix and match a little bit.
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I do not like the one that's a butterfly, but I don't know.
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look okay I'm really curious how the screen itself looks like they did not
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give the resolution of the screen I don't believe yep I agree that I think
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I was on the talk show they were talking about it I don't want a smart watch that
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like I want a digital like a smart display like one that shows me the
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upcoming you know alarm or sunset like I don't want just a watch face on something
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like this. Which is what they're showing like an analog watch face which is...
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Yeah, there's one of those Mickey Mouse hands that go around.
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Oh, I know. You're going to show me like six and that's one of them?
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I think that was one of the watch faces on the iPod Nano from 2010.
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It was. They also had like Kermit and...
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So one of the interesting things that I'm thinking about a lot
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is kind of the new dimension that the sensors on the watch
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watch ad for iPhone developers. So I was considering, right, you have this new heart rate sensor
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thing going on and there's going to be a watch kit API to make apps for the watch and there's
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a post by Greg Pierce, the drafts and terminology developer, and he's arguing that, in his opinion,
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watch apps are going to be like extensions, they're going to be bundled inside iPhone
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or iPad apps and you can just transfer them to the watch.
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And I think that's a good point but we don't know that right now.
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But my point is, iPhone developers like Apple is doing with the activity and fitness apps,
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they should be able to access information collected on the watch and use it in some
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way on the iPhone.
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So I was thinking about the heartbeat and what if, and I'm just thinking out loud basically,
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what if you're playing a horror game and the game can adjust the monsters that they show
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you based on the level of your heartbeat?
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Or what if all these other apps, they can track your heartbeat and activity and do other...
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I don't know, I think there is an idea maybe about this new, about software that is not
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necessarily fitness related but that can take advantage of your body and of these sensors
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in new ways and I'm hoping that by the final release we will see these kind of ideas because
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otherwise it seems like wasted potential, right, to just have a sensor and use it for
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messaging and of course the fitness tracking.
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But that's another point.
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So maybe developers will come up with ideas, maybe Apple is already working on these ideas
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and they didn't show all the stuff they were working on yesterday.
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But I think it's an interesting...
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There is potential about doing different stuff that's not sending my heartbeat to Steven
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or running, because by the way I cannot run for my...
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another story but I kind of wish I'll be able to do more. What about the price?
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It's gonna cost you a lot of money to go to option. So I'm curious to where the
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top level is. Starting at 350. Personally I would have liked to have seen it start at
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299. I think crossing that 300 threshold... I mean yes I understand
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that watches are expensive and they are luxury items and this is made
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out of fantastic materials. I get all of that. It is still a consumer electronic and four,
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five hundred dollars will buy you an iPad.
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That is, and I know that with Apple products you can never put them side by side on price
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because it all starts to get crazy, but it's still a three hundred and fifty dollar accessory
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for an iPhone. That is what it is because it doesn't work on its own, is my assumption,
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I disagree with you already.
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- Okay, please tell me that.
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- I disagree because, I mean, if you look at the website
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and if you look at the marketing material, Apple is--
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- What Apple, and Federico, what Apple is saying it is,
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is one thing, like Apple is saying it's fashion, right?
01:25:35
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- It is a consumer electronics item, it is.
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- I don't think they wanna sell that as a device.
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- Of course they don't wanna sell it that way,
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because they want it to be a fashion item.
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But it is a consumer electronic item,
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because you can dress it up with fancy bands,
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but it is a tiny computer that you wear on your wrist.
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- It's not their stuff.
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It's a combination of those two things.
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It's not like a display with stuff around it.
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It just happens to be a watch.
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- I'm not trying to downplay it
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'cause I think it looks fantastic.
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When I say dress it up, I don't mean it.
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I can see the incredible work that's gone into it,
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but it's still Apple selling it
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and Apple is a consumer electronics company.
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- Yeah, I don't know.
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it's gonna be expensive. It is expensive that's my point I don't think it should
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be as expensive. I think it's a case of $50 in it right for me but I think that you
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just you keep the base under 300 and then people can choose whatever they
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want. One thing I'd also love to see I would love to see Apple open the ability
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for fashion companies to make straps for it. I don't think only Apple should be
01:26:42
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making the straps? Just to just to say. Yeah I mean they maybe could open it up it is
01:26:48
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very clever you know one thing you could do you know you could buy the you know
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if I were to buy one you know I like the sport version in the dark the space
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grey aluminum but you know you can change the watch face and change the
01:27:02
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band and it has a very different look and you can make it colorful and bright
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or you can make it sort of subdued you know one thing I really like about the
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the watch that I wear is that the face is black the band is black it's very
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subdued it's not it's not flashy and so you can you can tone this thing up or
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tone it down depending on what you want to do with just you know swapping in a
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band and changing the face so it is it is customizable and flexible from a
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fashion perspective which is something that like like you know my watch like
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isn't great with a suit like it's okay but it's better if I'm just in my normal
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you know jeans and a dress shirt. That part I think they got right and
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especially for a version one I mean there's a bunch of options here and
01:27:47
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that's really impressive to me that they you know have six cases already
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plus however many bands. It's beautiful it is a it's a beautiful thing I must
01:27:59
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Federico, are you gonna buy one?
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- Yeah, of course.
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- I'm unsure.
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I'm unsure at this point.
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And after you answer, I wanna come back
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'cause I've got one more thing I wanna add.
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- Yes, I am.
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- Tell people you are, okay.
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- Yeah, I will be buying.
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- So two yeas and one maybe.
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I will tell you this, it will be something
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that I do not pre-order.
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I want to see it in person.
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Printing out the thing last night,
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it's the big one is the size of the Seiko watch
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that I wear now, but I want to see it.
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Want to see it.
01:28:41
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So here's my big overall thing.
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Apple sometimes gets excited about things
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that don't go anywhere.
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So you can, I mean, it's hard to come with
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like a hardware example.
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- iPod Hi-Fi. - iPod Hi-Fi.
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And software, I think more on the software side.
01:29:04
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Apple's like, "Hey,"
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I think payments very easily could be this,
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like, "Hey, we got this awesome thing,"
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and it doesn't really go anywhere.
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Like the iBook store and iBooks Author,
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like, yeah, it's cool in a small market,
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but Apple did not revolutionize textbooks.
01:29:16
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The danger here for Apple is you get Tim Cook on stage,
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very clearly his product,
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very clearly Johnny Ives' project.
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This is their baby.
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And for Tim to get on stage and say,
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"This is the next chapter in Apple's story,"
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is a huge statement.
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It's absolutely monumental.
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And if this doesn't do well,
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I think it will within Apple,
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you know, people listening to shows like ours,
01:29:45
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but if this doesn't do well, mass market,
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I don't know what they do.
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And I'm not saying,
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so to stop the follow up before it happens,
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I'm not saying that the watch has to have
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an iPhone size market.
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Nothing is going to be the size of the iPhone.
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The iPhone is a one of a kind.
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The iPad is one of a kind.
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But if they only sell 250,000 of these things,
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I don't think that's successful.
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And then what do they do?
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Do they just keep trucking along?
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Or is it something that they back away from
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and then it's like, oh, you know,
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this was gonna be the next chapter
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but turns out no one really wants one.
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And I have no idea how that story ends.
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I really can't sit here and guess in a year
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how many of these things they've sold
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and how successful it has been.
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I do, someone said iTunes, iTunes ping.
01:30:39
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- You've got lots of G4 cubes as well.
01:30:41
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- Yeah, I have a G4 cube, Joe Steele.
01:30:44
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- You might have one, it doesn't mean it's a success.
01:30:47
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- Yeah, it was not a success.
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So I don't know, that worries me a little bit
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because they're so clearly have invested so much in it.
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And very publicly have said, this is the future.
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This is where we're going.
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I do think that's not an answer
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that we're gonna have in six months.
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It's not even probably an answer we're gonna have in a year.
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This is a two, three, four year thing
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to see what this thing does.
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It is very interesting.
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I do think ultimately lots of Apple people,
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nerds will have them.
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I just don't know, like my wife does not want one.
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like, will she want one in the future?
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Like that sort of market is what I wonder,
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you know, I wonder how they're gonna react.
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I'm Federica, I'm glad that we found our point to argue over.
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- Yeah, now it's the price.
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- Yeah, I mean, there's so much potential,
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I think, for stuff that Apple didn't announce yesterday.
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We didn't see a single mention of HomeKit, of using the Apple Watch for authentication
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that is not Apple Pay.
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There's plenty of stuff that could come with the first release or that Apple may be saving
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for the Apple Watch 2, so it's super early to tell.
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I think it's both, I think it's wrong to say this is going to be the future or this is
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is going to be a huge failure.
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And so I guess we're--
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reasonable people often choose to wait.
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And I think we should wait and see what happens.
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And now my problem, actually, is trying
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to choose a band for the watch.
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Yeah, I've been thinking about that.
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I'm serious, because the sports one is nice, right?
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And it's not too serious.
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I'm not that, you know, I never, I'm not too fancy in the kind of clothes that I wear.
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I mean, I want to look good, but I'm not too sophisticated.
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I'm not too sophisticated, right?
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And because the gold one is not for me.
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So there's the Apple watch with the Milanese band.
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I love that one.
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Yeah, the loop, right?
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Yeah, I really love that one.
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looks fantastic but also the stainless steel looks great.
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Hey, Wilfredo Rico, buy a more one.
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I should sell my house to get Apple watches.
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The differences between them, right, is the materials they're made out of.
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And is there a thickness difference?
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I mean, I'm sure there's some, but Apple said they're all pretty thin.
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You know, the classic buckle looks a little thick.
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The leather loop does not look good to me.
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I meant the watch faces.
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Oh, no, I think they're all the... I don't think Apple said the thickness, which is interesting.
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Apple didn't publish any tech specs, which is also interesting because clearly this is not an
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announcement for the tech nerds. This won't do more than a day
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battery life and they kind of said that. They're like, "It will last you all day."
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Yeah, that... I don't want to charge a watch every night. You will be.
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charges nice though like magsafe is a great way of doing it like
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They need to put that into like some sort of dock though. I think would be really sweet
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You know, you just plug it into a little dock put you turn down on it at night
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But I would then be carrying around more cables to charge my devices when I go places modern a day
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But I am excited about this get it you get a mofie
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Respect to watch just sit inside. That's a great. That's Stephen go
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Open a kickstarter right now
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for the Mophie watch. Done. What could we call that? I'm gonna give you so much
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money. So my mother called me today. I just wanted to conclude on this note.
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My mother calls me and she's like I watched the live stream yesterday. Okay. How did you do
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that? I mean it was impossible. So and she asked me about the Apple watch. So of
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course she knows what's coming and now I'm afraid that because she can relate more to
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this kind of product, she's gonna ask me about all the details every day because she already
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asked me twice today about this watch and what it does because she seems to understand
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the watch more. She's not great at using the iPhone, like she does the basic stuff like
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messages and Facebook and a little bit of Safari. She gets confused with mail. But the
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watch, she seems to be already very much into the idea of an Apple Watch. I wanted to say
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this because it's pretty funny, but I think there's a serious point about normal people
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find iPhones and computers too much complex and instead the Apple Watch is a
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kind of a gateway to new tech for these people and I don't want to say
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right now because it's too soon but if this plan works I guess for Apple
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fashion will be a new thing and a new kind of halo effect just like the
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I don't know, it's something to think about for the watch release.
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So I think that's about it, right?
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Oh, I'm happy we've got some news again.
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You were missing the Apple keynotes.
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You know what's not great?
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It's that I gotta prepare all these articles for next Wednesday.
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Yeah, I would say next Wednesday.
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So that'll be the topic of the hour next week.
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- That will be the end of me
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because I'm writing basically 20 hours each day.
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- You can do it, buddy.
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- Yeah, hopefully.
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I don't know.
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- So if you wanna catch the show notes
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We'll be back next week with another episode of your favorite podcast on the internet.
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Oh, oh, I've coined a new one.
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Just keep moving.
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If you want to catch us online, there's a few places you can do that.
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