8: Squidges
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It is the 8th of October 2014.
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Welcome back to Connected. This is episode 8.
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My name is Myke Hurley. I am joined by Mr. Stephen Hackett.
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Simplified Domain Management.
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Hello, Steven.
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Hello, Michael.
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How are you?
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I'm pretty good. How are you?
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I am very well. Steven Hackett, where is Federico Vatici?
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What have you done with him?
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He is away today.
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Is that the best you've got for me?
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It's not any of my business to share his business for him.
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No, Federico just had something come up, so...
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He's not dead.
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Why does it always go to death with you?
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Follow up. Wow, we're jumping right in.
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You know, it's enough. If Federico's here, there's just no fun, so we may as well just
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go straight to business. I'm all about getting straight to business,
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Federico is a monster and may people use the Twitter app is the exact quote in our show
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notes. It's pretty true. I mean, even he said today
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that all week he's been getting tweets, which I've seen some of,
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of people trying out the official Twitter app because of our episode last week.
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Yeah, as did I. I tried it again and then I was sad again.
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So I think the moral of the story is that the Twitter app is bad
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and Federico should feel bad for telling people to use it.
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I use the official Twitter app when I want to just check something but don't
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want to ruin my tweetbot preservation state.
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What does that mean?
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So everybody in the world knows that I get notifications and such and such like.
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Sometimes I want to reply to a tweet that I've just seen come in.
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But if I go into Tweetbot and scroll to that tweet,
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then it's going to ruin everything.
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So I go to the Twitter app and reply.
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Like today, for example, where I'm not kidding,
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I had maybe five or six hundred @mentions.
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Thank you everyone.
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There was a couple that I saw
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that I wanted to reply to quickly.
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So I saw those come in via notification
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when my phone was not melting.
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And I just went into the fshoater app and did it.
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- That is insane.
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Wait, why was today a big day for you?
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I just understand why I started getting lots of notifications
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Because Steven in the chat room has told everybody
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to follow and unfollow me.
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So if you're listening to the show now, not live,
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please unfollow and refollow iMyke, I-M-Y-K-E.
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I still do that to Matt Alexander sometimes,
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when I know he's looking at Twitter just to poke at him.
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So what did you do today?
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We should talk about this, because you and I
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co-founded Relay. Yep, and I quit Relay. Wait, that's not what we agreed on.
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Ah, no. So if people don't know, you have quit your jobby job. Mm-hmm. Today I quit my job.
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And there is a whole big story, but this isn't the show for those sort of stories.
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Oh, I have a show about feelings. I do, it's called Analog, and on the episode
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that we record tomorrow, which we will record live, if you check the schedule,
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if it's still Thursday for you.
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Otherwise it will be out on Sunday.
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And I just want to go through and talk through
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the whole sort of process yesterday
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that led me to make that decision.
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There's an interesting story about shoes.
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- Well I'm excited for you.
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- I know you've wanted to do it for a long time.
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- Five years.
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I'm terrified and I'm super excited
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and if you would like to sponsor Relay FM,
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please go to relay.fm/sponsor.
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If you cannot personally sponsor
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because you don't have a product or service,
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send this page relay.fm/sponsor
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We are perfectly happy with accepting sponsorships
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from shell companies.
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- So that's all Relay is.
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So back to Twitter and Tweetbot.
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@duncanmusic on twitter @duncanmusic sent a couple tweets in and one of them talks about
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timeline sync which we really didn't touch on but if you use Twitterrific on iOS and
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the Mac or Tweetbot on iOS and the Mac your tweets all sort of when things work line up
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where you know like you said you don't want to mess that up I met a tweet from two hours
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ago and I open tweetbot on my Mac the scroll positions will be the same more
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or less and apparently the regular Twitter app doesn't do that which is sad
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and so that is a that's the thing that happens yeah I mean I love the iCloud
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syncing on tweetbot I've used tweet marker on Twitter if it can on tweetbot
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But the iCloud one is super, super good.
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Yeah, big fan of it.
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As someone who I go back and forth between devices
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a lot during the day, that's a really important feature to me,
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I think to a lot of people.
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But then Duncan Music tweeted something that cannot be
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unseen where there was a suggested tweet that I wouldn't I guess the image is
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probably not safe for work depending on where you work but definitely not
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something that I would want to ever look at on my computer.
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Suggested tweet oh my word what is happening here why would you it's
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It's basically a gentleman, not...
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Called Nick Jonas from the Jonas Brothers.
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Brothers of Jonas.
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Basically almost naked.
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So if that's what you desire, then it's in the show notes for you.
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Where can people find the show notes, Steven?
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Relay dot f m slash connected slash eight.
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I could basically now take that and just drop that into every episode because you cut it
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up enough that I could just...
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I don't know really why I did that.
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But it was good though, I mean it provided me with something useful for the future.
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So if you are ever not on a show now, I could just have you drop in to do the show notes
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link instead.
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I would like to always think that I'm always here in spirit when I'm absent like I was
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two weeks ago.
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But this would make me present physically.
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But you will have to provide me with a selection of numbers.
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So like 1 to 10 and then 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70.
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And you can slice them together?
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I don't mean to tell you how to do your job, but that seems like a lot of work.
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Totally worth it?
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Totally worth it.
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I mean, episode one of this show, that was a lot of work.
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I'm sure Federico could create a Python script that would just drop the numbers in anyway.
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Python's dead.
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Well, extensions are built.
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Well, extensions, I'm alright.
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You have to build that in AppleScript to be a gentleman.
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AppleScript. They're talking about clowns in the chat room which is
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gotten... Don't read it. Close it. Go away. But they're talking.
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And someone thinks that... I don't know. Anyways,
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more Twitter tweetbot follow-up.
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Matthew Cassanellini?
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How would you say that?
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- I would say...
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- Casanelli.
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- Casanelli, yeah.
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- Yeah, if Federico was here, he could say it.
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Seems Italian.
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Do you think that Twitter contacted Tweetbot
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and told them to hold off for Fabric?
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Just a thought.
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The thought did cross my mind,
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but I really don't think that, A,
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Twitter is really in the business of sharing things
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with third-party clients like this.
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Fabric of course being their rumored API, you know, change coming in the future.
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Hold up, what?
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iPad version?
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The iPad version still exists and they just updated the iPhone version.
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And also, I mean, this Fabric thing is rumored like in the last couple of months.
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Tweetbot for iPad has not been here for a very, very long time.
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And from, I mean, I've been kind of, I've been thinking about that Tapbots post.
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And I reread it earlier today and kind of,
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for whatever reason, it didn't sync in properly
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that they mentioned that they're bringing back
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a couple of new apps and they seem to be cross platform.
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So they may have literally just said like,
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we're gonna work on something
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that makes more sense to us right now.
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- Yeah, so I mean, it's an interesting idea for Matthew,
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but I don't think that's what's going on here.
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- I don't think that Twitter care enough about Tweetbot.
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- Like they would, Tweetbot would just have to get in line.
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up you know they're not gonna be like oh please wait
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just be like fabrics here now so deal with it
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like they're not gonna be like oh please don't update wait
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they'll just let tapbots go ahead and do whatever it wants
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and then they'll say well now you have to use this instead so good luck
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I think that's definitely how it goes down
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because Twitter I mean it's just it's not important to them right like if it was
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they would be more helpful
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you know, like the multiple image thing, you know,
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it was late to third parties.
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And a lot of that is that third parties
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have to take time to implement it.
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But a lot of cases, there are things that the Twitter apps
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can do that third party apps just can't do
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because the API calls are different.
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- Well, all of us on Tweetbot, we are costing money.
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We make no money for Twitter.
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We make them no money.
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It's true, right?
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That we don't see any of the ads.
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- Yeah, no, absolutely.
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No, I was just kind of laughing the way you said it.
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- We're just a cost.
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So like if this fabric thing is because it's ads are gonna be needed to be there, then
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such is life.
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Like they'll just say, okay, this is here.
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You have to start showing promoted tweets or you'll be killed.
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Like not like, you know, like in life way, just your API use will be killed.
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So speaking about apps that kill people, the health app.
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It's still a thing, I guess.
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I don't know it's still in a folder for me I'm not really using it. Are you really
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using it? No. So listener Derek wrote in so we kind of talked about Federico spoke
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about especially... Federico made a very bold claim. That it was as bad as maps
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right? I think he said it was worse than maps. Yeah and so Derek disagreed and if I
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I agree with Derek and I wish I thought of this on the show.
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So Derek says iPhone maps were a feature that existed for five years and was something that
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people come to depend on and what Apple replaced it with was unusable for some people and Google
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Maps wasn't you know didn't have the same footing as Apple Maps and Health.app is a
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feature that did not even exist until 17th of September and no one has had a chance to
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come on to come to depend on it yet.
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I don't see how they're equitable.
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I don't agree with Derek and I agree more with Federico.
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I don't think, and I'm going to speak for Federico Vittucci because I can do that,
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I don't think that he was saying that they're comparable maps and health
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because of the fact that people depended on it.
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It's not about like a dependency, it's not about people necessarily depending on the data.
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It's the fact that this is data you do not mess around with.
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If you have health data, it doesn't start to disappear.
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It doesn't start to go wrong.
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Like if you delete an app from your iPhone and then that data leaves the health app
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like that is messing around with data in a way that is not logical.
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It doesn't make sense and Apple shouldn't be touching.
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And the other thing is like if you didn't like the iPhone maps,
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you just downloaded the Google Maps app.
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Like you just downloaded the app there and there were alternatives.
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There are mapping alternatives or you could go to like the map app.
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But this stuff that goes into health,
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it's all meant to like play together and show you this thing. You can't download another app from the app store
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that pulls in all of the information that you have from all these other places and pulls them into one view.
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But it's more about the fact that like
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mess around with that data. That data should be untouched by Apple and things should not be going wrong with it.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't think Apple's touching it, but I definitely agree that
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if this thing is going to work it's got to work perfectly and it definitely is not right now.
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I tried just the other day to do Strava the bike cycling app I use has some authentication
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cross-tie stuff and it like straight up just doesn't work like you hit the button
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and you get bumped to the health app and then just sits there it's like let me try that again
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and it just sits there it's it's really shoddy we're going to talk a little bit about iOS
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aid and some issues around that but I think the health app's got to be
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Apple's got to get that right, you know, it's in 8.1 the betas there's some notes about it
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I think we spoke about but it's really ridiculous
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That it's in the state that it's in
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I think yep next piece of follow-up is about you being a liar and needing a workflow to tell the truth
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Do you just want to read this?
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Well, I mean, this isn't even about this show though.
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Oh, I did mention it on this show, didn't I?
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About the fact that I sent 10,000 emoji balloons
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to Casey Liss.
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- When he, yeah.
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- I actually don't think we even spoke about it
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on this show, but.
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- I don't know, life is blurry.
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- This is follow up for analog now.
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For anybody that does listen to that show,
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or doesn't, I said that I sent 10,000 emoji balloons
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I've been talking about it actually in the essence of saying how useful the iPhone 6 plus keyboard is
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Who knows? I
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Mostakenly said I took ten balloons copied and pasted in ten times copied and pasted in ten times, etc, etc
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Brendan told me that I would then have thirteen thousand thirteen hundred and ten
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Balloons and was very upset at me when what I should have said which is what I actually did was I copied and pasted them
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So it gave me the addition to get to ten thousand. I'm sorry Brendan. I'm sorry everyone
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You're not a math professor.
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Not a professor at all.
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You could be.
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Professor of life.
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Professor of life.
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More follow up, you put this in, what's the deal with this Blink keyboard?
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So Simon SC on Twitter contacted me about this app called the Blink keyboard, it's a
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have a third-party keyboard for the iPhone that does some interesting things in placement of keys.
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So this is very, in theory, like on the face of it, is very useful for a 6+ owner because it has
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two interesting parts. It does a split keyboard which I wanted and it also does a one-handed
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keyboard where it kind of like squidges the keyboard into the bottom right.
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which is... squidges! I'm going with squidges.
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I can't think... what else would you say?
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Squishes! I like squidges though, I'm gonna go with squidges.
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It also has some cool emoji shortcuts where you can like hold down on the numbers
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and then it pops up a row of emoji and you can select from them.
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So all of this is very useful. The way that you try and
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activate the keyboard splitting or moving is really weird. You kind of have
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to swipe across the keys and it worked one hour every three times.
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I just couldn't seem to get it to happen.
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But the problem with this application is it's spammy and scammy.
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So it has some themes in it and to unlock the themes you have to share it on social
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networks and the themes that are unlocked look terrible.
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The theme that just looks like the Apple keyboard, I have to share the Blink keyboard on Twitter
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to get access to it. I wouldn't be surprised if this is why Simon SC sent it to me, you know?
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He just shared it with me on Twitter. What if you talk about it on a very popular Apple podcast? Do
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you get new themes? Well, I guess only if you talk about it positively, which I'm not. Just let me
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pay you, like developer of Blink, let me pay you instead. Just let me pay you like 99 cents or $2
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and I would potentially have used your keyboard, but now I have it sitting there on my phone,
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but it's going to be deleted.
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Keyboards, man. Keyboards are driving me crazy.
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- They're a pain in the rear-deeds.
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- Oh, my God, they're driving me so crazy,
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'cause there's so many good ones,
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but I don't want to add any of them, because--
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Right, so I'm using Emoji++, right?
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- As you should. - Because it's awesome.
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But the problem is, now,
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I have Emoji++ as my second keyboard,
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and then--so if I'm on the standard keyboard
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and I want to add an emoji, I press it,
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and it takes me to the second keyboard,
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and I add my emoji, I press it again,
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So again, it takes me to SwiftKey.
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Right, that's the third one.
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So that works as a flow.
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But then I have TextExpander,
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and then I have the one where you draw the pictures.
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What's the name of that one?
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- I don't know, I wish you would stop using it.
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- No, 'cause it's so awesome.
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I'm gonna find it now, 'cause it's gonna be here somewhere.
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It's called Scribbleboard, and it's freaking amazing,
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'cause I get to draw little pictures
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and send them to people.
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But that means if I wanna--
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- Including their servers, right?
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they see what you're drawing me. I just I have no time for this fear that all of
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my keystrokes have been sent. I'm trolling. Like I just can't, everybody just needs to stop.
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Just please just stop. The problem is not the apps, the problem is the way that
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Apple allows people to use it. Anyway, so if I then am on SwiftKey and I want to
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add an emoji, I have to then cycle through another four keyboards before I
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I can use emoji again.
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- Yeah, it's not good.
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- If I could just hold down on the globe button.
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- Why does it not,
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why do they not allow access to pop over?
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- Doesn't make sense to me.
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Like it feels like it should be rectified by now.
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- Maybe that's part of like,
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Apple's keyboards have special access,
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maybe that's part of it,
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but they should have worked that out.
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- Yeah, I'm not a fan.
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- I do, so my third party keyboards are the same as yours,
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in the same order as yours except for the scribble board.
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(imitates scribble board)
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- So like, that Clipsy, see Clipsy?
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Clips, I don't know why I call it Clipsy,
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I don't know why I put a Y on there.
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- I think you're thinking of Clippy.
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- No, no, no.
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Well, yes, always.
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But Federico reviewed that app Clips
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that he's been talking about for like six months.
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- I'm not familiar with his work.
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- And I'm really interested in using it
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'cause it's like a widget and a keyboard,
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so there's like two parts of it.
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You can use the widget, you can use the keyboard,
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and we use them together and it does magical things,
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but I don't want another keyboard
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because it adds another button press
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every time I wanna add an emoji.
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It makes me extremely sad.
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It makes me very, very sad.
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- And it makes me sad as well.
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It is nice though.
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- You know what would be great?
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If all of the keyboards had the ability to use
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whatever it is the official keyboard is using,
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because I'm not as accurate typing on any keyboard
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other than the Apple keyboard.
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- SwiftKey, I think, does the best job
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of standard day-to-day typing,
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but it also has the swipe typing,
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but it doesn't do such a good job
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of recognizing whether I'm pressing
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the full stop button on the space bar.
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But one thing that SwiftKey does do
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is you know when you accidentally press N or B
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instead of space, and you end up with this really long word?
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- Yes. - It's much better
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at splitting up the words.
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I do that with the period in Safari.
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I always do, you know,
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so I try to search for something
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and it always has periods in between it.
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- So I have that problem in our Slack
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because Slack has the @ and the hashtag key,
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but SwiftKey doesn't do a very good job
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of recognizing the full stop.
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It does a much better job of
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the, of detecting the @ symbol and the hash symbol.
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Recently, I've enjoyed looking at Federico's reviews, right?
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I'm just on this page here for clips.
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And I realize why he sends me such random text messages
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- It is for screenshots.
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- Yeah, like he sends me descriptions of applications
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and I'm like, that's interesting, thanks buddy.
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And it's because he's using this app.
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- Yeah, that keyboard looks insane.
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I wanna try this.
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I really wanna try it on the iPad more.
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Like it seems more like I would work on the iPad.
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- It's gonna be really useful I think.
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So this we're talking about clips again now.
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I think it could be really useful for stuff like when I'm building these documents.
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So I like to have both the copy of the... when we take a tweet from follow up and we
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put it in show notes.
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Ideally I like to have the link to the tweet but also what the person said, put them both
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This will allow me to copy and paste both of those things in one go and then go over
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to the other app and copy and paste them.
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I'd like to do it if I do a link list post on 512 with the Squarespace blog app, like
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to have the URL and whatever I'm gonna block quote would be handy or even the
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author's name you know now I go back and forth three or four times.
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Alright I'm gonna do it again I'm gonna complain about Google again.
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Wait you're supposed to be the one who likes Google. Why are the Drive and Docs
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apps and the Sheets app why are they still not updated? Gmail just got
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updated like two days ago. So did Chrome. So Chrome I mean I'm very happy that
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Chrome has been updated and I loved that there was like in their documents I took
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a took a screenshot of it I don't know if I kept it though but their description
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in the in the release notes was for Chrome better support for iPhone 6 like
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is this it's like they're basically saying this is not optimum what we have
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done it's just better it's we we had a couple minutes they do really need to
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re-think the UI though because like many apps like that's the worst there's just
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too many things and that on that top bar now and I think that's what they're
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alluding to I think a lot of navigation bars especially in browsers and things
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that stuff should go to the bottom I know that will probably make you want to
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cry because it's not at the top and that makes you really sad but that's what
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stuff like a back button in a browser or whatever should be at the bottom so I
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I think we should be moving that stuff to the bottom of the screen at the bottom of the screen
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I really turn on it
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Because I can't stand Safari on the on the iPhone
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It drives me crazy that the the bar and all the all the like all the buttons disappear and you have to like
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Do some sort of mystery tapping action or swiping action to get them to come back
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Like it drives me insane. I don't know how people use it every day
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I just can't get it. Drink. And Chrome supports most of the extensions that I want to use?
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Why does Mail, I feel like Federico Fittigi right now, I'm just ranting about all the
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things that have been annoying me over the last couple of weeks.
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You're not even, you're so off the reservation without a document, I don't even know what's
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happening. I'm just sharing all of my frustrations about iOS now. Why does Mail not have any
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extension support? Like I have a link.
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on the standard iOS share sheet but you can't share out of mail to other things.
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Yeah like if I get a link in mail I just want to be able to like put it in
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Instapaper. Nope! Open Safari first. Okay great thank you.
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It's lame. Yeah. So topic zero today is Pebble. Mm-hmm. Which you own a Pebble
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still. Yes. Pebble Steel still. I still own a Steel. The Pebble did get much better
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because someone made a 512 pixels Pebble watch face. Not just someone, the one and
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only Rob Lewis. I've been wearing, wearing yeah I'll go wearing, I've been wearing the
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512 pixels logo on my wrist for the past couple of days and I'm happy to say
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that I like it. Will you send, will you put that picture in the share notes? Yes.
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That'd be really cool. That was not really the topic, it was just a fun byproduct.
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Topic is that, Myke have you heard that Apple's gonna do a watch? I am
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familiar with with the apple fruit company? Yes they make apple fruits.
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Apple fruits. So pebble has gone to the offensive they have the site getpebble.com
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and it is super weird because they're like well they've changed it now now it
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says breathe everyone but... Previously it said breathe Johnny didn't it? Yeah which
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is like super kind of aggressive but I understand where they're coming from
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because they are dead. Well I... They're super dead. I liked I liked the way the rest of
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the page looks I like the way it looks and feels like it's got this fun playful
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atmosphere and it's like pixel art and it looks really cool and stuff. But it
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looks like a panic game. Yeah but like no you're thinking of Never Morgan but
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But anyway, completely going out on the offensive, like calling out Apple openly is too much.
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When they backed off of it.
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We didn't really, did we really talk about what you're gonna do?
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Are you gonna stay with the Pebble or are you gonna go Apple Watch?
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I'm gonna get an Apple Watch.
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Like because it will do everything the Pebble does but better.
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The only thing that I won't get is seven days battery life.
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- It's true.
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- Like that's just, it won't happen.
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- And my girlfriend wants an Apple Watch
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because she likes the idea of the way
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that we can talk to each other.
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Like I was telling her about like the heartbeat sharing
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and messages and things and she thinks it's nice.
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And I mean, I'm looking forward
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to sharing my heartbeat with you.
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- That's assuming I buy an Apple Watch.
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- I'll buy you one just so I can share my heartbeat with you.
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So that time stamp that everybody.
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So the real news though with Pebble
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besides them being weird in their marketing
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is that they have dropped their price.
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You can get a regular Pebble for $100 now.
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And you can get a Steel for $200.
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And they've expanded their fitness tracking stuff,
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which is cool.
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But I don't know.
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I look at this and it's like Android Wear is
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coming from one side and Apple Watch
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coming from the other side.
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I think there will be a place for Pebble.
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Like, I don't think they're doomed,
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but I think it's gonna be very hard for them to find
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where they are in the market.
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And my guess is that they're gonna go like,
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"Hey, we're the low cost alternative."
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Which will work, I think,
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but they're not gonna rule the roost the way they have
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the last several years.
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- I think they need to take their expertise
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in hardware development and design
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and make an Android Wear watch.
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Obviously throwing out everything that they're good for,
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you know, the E-Ink screen and the battery life,
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but I don't think that they can continue much past
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this time next year.
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- Is it weird that now I wanna order one?
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- Well, because I just said that.
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- Well, because they're gonna go away.
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- Well, they've just added a bunch of stuff,
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which is interesting, right?
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Like a fitness tracker.
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- Yeah, and like part of me, so I kickstarted the Pebble
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and had an original Kickstarter edition.
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And at the time it really didn't do very much
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and I was really actually pretty hard on it,
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like publicly, like in my review.
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And it does a lot more now and I'm kind of interested
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to see it from a what does a smartwatch do in 2014
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sort of viewpoint and see if the things,
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the type of things that it does
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are the types of things that I'm interested in with an Apple Watch.
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So for me, I kind of view it as like, if I were to order one now,
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is it like a test run for an Apple device?
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I think it's interesting to use one,
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because it sets your mind up into using a device like this.
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So the reason that I know I want the Apple Watch is because, as I say,
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it's going to do everything that I like better.
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so i mean i'm really love my uh... my pebble i love
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the notifications i love being able to just close down my wrist and see what's
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like i'm a big fan of all of that
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having better integration with that and then also being able to maybe do some
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additional bits and bobs here and there you know
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have some absent that sort of stuff
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i'm excited to use all of that unlike
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i mean it doesn't bother me too much that you have to have the phone and the
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watch in close proximity to work like that. I don't, just from my usage of
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a device like this it doesn't really cause that much of a problem. My phone is
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always with me anyway so it's like, you know, I can't imagine that even if
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the watch worked without the phone that I would then start leaving my phone like
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in rooms across the building or something.
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Yeah I'm definitely the same way.
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yeah so we'll see I'll let you know if I do this I would advise I would advise
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against it yeah but like I'm also the guy like used a Newton in 2005 so yeah
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but you've already you know you already didn't like it I mean yeah no I did and
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but my complaints were the limitation of the software and a lot of that has
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gotten a lot better with I was seven and eight and his pebble has evolved I mean
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forget this was like over two years ago yeah yeah but I don't know we'll see
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we'll see how it does definitely not the orange one I tell you that that's pretty
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well you reviewed yours on March 19th 2013 so a year and a half ago here and a
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half ago but before I was seven yeah and it seemed like it did they made some
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significant changes and the steel got a lot better they updated the software but
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The one good thing is you can dismiss notifications now, but I mean it's not incredible.
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Yeah, and I would, like you I think, really have it limited to what it's doing notification-wise.
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Yeah, yeah I do that. I mean, but I get more notifications than most people choose to receive.
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Because I choose to keep things on that I shouldn't maybe keep on.
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Keep on keeping on.
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Keep on keeping on.
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Michael, Steven, will you tell me about your dad?
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Yes, I will actually.
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There's been a lot of stories this week about iOS 8 adoption slowing down.
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My understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong Steven, is that there's some information
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in Apple's development portal which shows iOS adoption.
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That's where a lot of the information has come from.
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Is that right?
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Yeah, and some third party people.
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So there is basically, across the web, there is discussions about the fact that iOS 8 is
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slowing down.
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All of the signs point to yes, that's happening.
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This discussion isn't so much about whether it's happening, we're assuming that it is.
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Is that fair to say?
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Yeah, I mean, so there are some hard numbers here that currently, as of a day or two ago,
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Apple reported that iOS 8 was installed at 47% of devices.
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But iOS 7 was at the same time period, almost at 70%.
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So pretty big, pretty big difference.
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And 7 was about the same as 6 for full comparison.
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So we were going to talk about this on the show,
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and I was speaking with my dad yesterday.
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And he has an iPhone 4S.
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And he was telling me about how he wanted to update his phone,
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but couldn't, to iOS 8.
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So he's on 7 point something or other.
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And he wants to update to iOS 8.
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So we were talking about this because I
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was showing him my 6 Plus.
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and he decided that he wanted to complain to me about this,
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which I thought was really interesting at the time.
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So currently on his 4S,
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he is using three gigabytes
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of his overall six gigabytes available.
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So he has three gigabytes available, three gigabytes used.
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So six gigabytes is in total available
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for him to use on the phone.
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So I'm assuming he has the 8GB model, right?
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The biggest amount of data dedicated to one
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app is 401MB in photos.
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You can see this, I put the link in the show notes. Which is nothing, I mean
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compared to what we do, but... Like he was intent on showing
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me, I didn't take any more pictures, that he only had like 20 apps on his phone or something, right?
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So it really wasn't a lot of data going into his apps.
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And then he shows me the software update screen and it tells him he needs 4.7 gigabytes of storage
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on his phone available to be able to install iOS 8.
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So he needs to delete basically everything to get to this.
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Because he would need to delete all of his apps if he didn't want to delete his photos.
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He needs a cloud photo management solution.
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I mean, and I know people, to stop people writing in, I did give him this piece of advice.
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That he could plug his iPhone into his computer and he could update it that way.
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As I'm saying these words out to him, I'm instantly regretting it.
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Because I don't know what machine he used to create, you know, he used to do the first
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backup of his phone, if he's ever done it.
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And I foresaw a world where he then erases his phone,
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by doing the update.
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That's fine.
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Let's make a fun surprise.
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And then tried to imagine me telling
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him to restore from iCloud, which he probably
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doesn't back up to iCloud.
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So #cleanmikestad.
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And it frustrates him.
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No, absolutely.
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Like joking aside, it's a terrible user experience.
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He thinks it's ridiculous, but then he goes on to tell me about how his stepson can't
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update on his iPhone 5.
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And apparently this is something that him and his friends know is a problem about Apple.
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Like that you can't update the phone software.
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And also even if you did, apparently there's nothing new in iOS 8.
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And also it breaks your phone anyway.
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it was just so interesting for me to hear. I was just letting him say all
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these things like I wasn't saying like "yeah I know but they did fix it with
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Vado" I'm not gonna tell him all that because it wasn't important but what it
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was just interesting to me to hear all of this all of this thinking because I
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got to you know Federico loves to do this sort of stuff right where he
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listens to people in his real world. And I just found it just fascinating to
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be like, well, to see what the media was telling him, i.e. that his phone
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was gonna break if he updated, and also the fact that he's facing this problem.
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And so the reason that we're talking about all of this is because I
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I believe, as do many, of course, and I think Steven you're probably in the same, I think
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if I remember your post correctly, that part of the problem is that a lot of people, either
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their phone doesn't accept iOS 8 now, but it was accepted in iOS 7, right, so the iPhone
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4, or it's the case that they actually just can't install it, they don't have the space
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And who wants to delete everything from their phones to be able to do an update?
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That's not a solution at all.
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What happened the last time they updated their phones?
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Everything looked weird.
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Everything changed.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's sort of a perfect storm for Apple right now.
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And I think that a lot of devices can't install it.
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A lot of devices don't have enough space.
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And people got burned with iOS 7.
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And there's this-- you're talking about in the chat
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right now-- there's a lot of thoughts on, well,
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it's really not-- what good do I get to upgrade?
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There's nothing new anyways.
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and it's rough.
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And we spoke about this last week,
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that Apple needs its customers and developers
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need Apple's customers to be on the newest version of iOS.
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And when that's not true, it holds everything back.
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And then we're in like a weird Android situation
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that no one wants to be in.
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It's not good.
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And I don't know what the solution is,
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because updates take a certain amount of size.
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You know, I would have liked to think that Apple foresaw this
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when they looked at over the air updating.
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But it leaves people like your dad's stuck
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and what it mean, he's gonna run Iowa 7 forever.
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I was on somebody last night,
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so running Iowa 6 on their phone
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and I, kind of the same story, right?
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Like, ah, I tried to update
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but then I didn't want to and you know.
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- The problem is-- - Iowa 6 looks weird.
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- Like Apple is still selling phones
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that they are still selling phones
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with eight gigabytes of storage new today, right?
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In many parts of the world,
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I don't think they sell them in the US,
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but they sell them in Europe and in the UK,
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which I don't understand.
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I don't get the reasoning for it.
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- Everything's bigger in America.
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- I don't understand the full reasoning.
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You just carry on.
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But you know, these phones,
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They're not updatable.
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I don't know enough about how these things work.
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I'm just going to naturally assume there is no other way
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- Yeah, I mean, people don't, like iTunes is dying off
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And you can definitely still buy an eight gigabyte phone
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in America as well.
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The 5C comes in at eight gig.
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- Yeah, I didn't know.
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I don't think it launched in America.
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I didn't know that you now have it.
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The wizard let us know.
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Anyways, all that is is not good for Apple. It's not good for its users, but there's kind of a other side of this coin
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You know the idea that Iowa 7 was really buggy and gross and people like you including me you who are a power user
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Had endless home screen crashes and endless reboots for months. Oh, I've had a couple of home screen crashes, by the way
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On8 yeah, I have to
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I had a blue screen.
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That's fine.
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But there's also this conversation going on that
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you know, Apple may need to be slowing
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it may be in Apple's best interest overall to slow down a little bit.
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And it could help users, it could help this idea of
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these updates come out and they're not
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really well done, like the Health app or Maps or
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Iowa 7 like that together with the fact that people can't update or aren't
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updating as fast is it's not a good combo and it's it's I don't want this to
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be the story of like Apple software releases but I fear that's where they're
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headed. Do they have any history going back into history of Apple ever been
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like this before? They what do you mean like the speed or the bugs? The yeah the
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catastrophic failure? They definitely have had a lot of releases over the years
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that had problems like the you know any dot zero version of Mac OS X for years
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was rough around the edges. Mac OS X itself was bad for a long time but as
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far as like outright bugs I feel like now is about the worst it's ever been
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now you know you can go really far back and like there was like a system 7
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update that would like delete your hard drive and like there's oddball stuff but
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it's a little bit unfair to to compare them because you're talking about a
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device now right like it's very hard for most people to understand that this the
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OS on their phone their phone are separate things like I pick up this
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device and it has these things on it and they just work where on a computer if
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you were a Mac guy in the 90s you had a really keen understanding that like your
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system and your hardware were separate and so it's even if it's not worse now
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it sure feels worse because these devices are everywhere and they iOS has
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worked really well into the last couple of years it's very um it's a very odd
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I don't like it no and I don't really know what what we're expecting to see
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from it in all honesty like yeah because if Apple slows down they're gonna get
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hammered in the press yeah we thought we talked about this last week but I would
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argue that the legacy of bad software releases is more damaging in the long term.
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And even Android, you see Android 4, KitKat and release.before, they've slowed down a
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little bit as well.
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And I think that's fine if the quality goes up.
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If they slow down and the quality is still not awesome, then that's kind of the worst
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of both worlds.
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Nobody wants the worst of both worlds.
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I don't want the worst of both worlds at all.
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But I mean like, but what are you gonna do, right?
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Like Apple customers, myself included, like I don't want to use another platform.
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Like I'm here by choice and I'm not planning on changing my mind on that.
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So I'm kind of stuck with it, right?
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Like if my phone doesn't work well or iCloud eats my contacts, like I don't know what it
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would take for Apple to push me away.
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And so to an extent like Apple has forgiveness with its customers maybe more so than other
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companies but as Apple grows and its customer base grows that would become less and less
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You know guys like me I'm you know been there a long time and saw a lot of abuse and people
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you know older than me have seen a lot of abuse from Cupertino like just terrible Mac
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OS releases.
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But as you know Apple's fans now aren't as loyal as maybe they were five or ten years
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ago because there's more of them and it's easier to switch and so while I'm
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not looking to move to Android because my iPhone is doing weird things some
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people might and that's that's not not great.
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Carl's the Grey in the in the chat room says I've never seen a PR nightmare over
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not releasing an iOS upgrade every year but I could be wrong which is an
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interesting point but I think the reason you've not seen it is because it's not
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happened. Right? We don't have precedent for the press being upset about it
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because they've never had it to be upset about before. In fact, Apple's in the
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opposite. They've sped up OS X, which is horrifying. That one might just have to be
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around more than 11 months. So I don't know, like, I don't know what Apple... I
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mean, the best solution, I think, from Apple's perspective, is to get QA under
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control and they can keep the pace they're at but that requires things of
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Apple that they don't want they either have to grow and I think Apple doesn't
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mind growing I think it's really hard to grow in these areas just from a staffing
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perspective or Apple has to say you know what like where the QA is gonna go up
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we're still gonna release yearly but they're gonna be smaller releases gonna
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be more iterative releases and then it's kind of like what's the point of doing
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that each year. So short of just throwing more people at the problem and if time
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is a constraint which admittedly is set by them, that's the only thing they can't do
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and that's that's not something that's fixed overnight.
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Right so let's take a second break to thank our second sponsor for this week's
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They're also just the best.
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I love Hover.
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If I want to buy a domain name, I don't go anywhere else.
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The first place I go is Hover.
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And then I just type in the box, the name of the domain that I want, either the keywords,
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or I type in, you know, I love 512pixels.com into the search bar and it will tell me if
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it's available or not.
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It really should be the only place you ever think of to go and buy domain names.
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Because they're just so fantastic.
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Allow me to list the ways that they are fantastic.
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They have over 200 options of TLDs.
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They have all of the ones you'd expect like .com, .co, .me, but they also have the crazy
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new awesome ones like .plumbing, .sexy and .coffee.
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They tickle your fancy.
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I think everybody should own a .sexy domain.
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I just think that it's just better for everyone.
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So they can be standardized and everybody knows
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to type Myke.sexy into their web browser
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and they'll get the best thing ever.
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And they've recently reduced prices
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on all of these options.
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For example, now .com is $12.99, not hover,
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which is a fantastic price,
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especially considering you get things like
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Whois privacy for free with all of hover's domains,
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because hover believe that you shouldn't have to pay
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to keep your private information private.
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It's private for a reason.
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And that's what makes Hover so awesome.
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Naming things is really hard.
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Me and Steven fought long and hard over Hover,
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not Hover, Relay.
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And it named our company's Relay.
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But we used Hover as a tool to fight.
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In that we would check,
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one of us would have an idea for a domain.
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We would go and check if it was available at Hover.
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It meant that we could name the company that.
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There wasn't many left,
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but Hover made it easy for us to check
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'cause we can just type in words,
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we could type in selections of keywords,
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and then when we found the ones that we wanted,
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when we settled on it, it was just, it's simple,
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it's fast, and it's hassle-free.
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And this is why I love them.
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You're not faced with thousands of screens
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and tons of add-ons that you have to add
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at stupidly high prices.
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You just get in, find what you want, and get out again.
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They have fantastic customer support,
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no hold, no wait, no transfer, telephone support policy.
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They're famous for this, this is a good reason why.
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You're gonna be talking to real human beings, not robots.
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But if you do prefer communications with robots,
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they also have great support documents and guides
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on their website for getting everything you need,
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and they have fantastic email support too.
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Even though the email support is actually humans, not robots,
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but I think you kinda get what I'm trying to get at.
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And don't forget their valet service as well.
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This is where they take all of the hassle
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of switching from your current domain provider to Hover,
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because they will simply just do it all for you.
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This is for free, whether you have five domains
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or a thousand domains, they're gonna do it all.
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There's so much more awesome stuff about Hover,
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you should go try them out for yourself.
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Go now to hover.com and try them out.
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And you want to use the code CLEANMIKE at checkout
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and you'll get 10% off your first purchase at hover.com
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and show your support for this show.
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That's CLEANMIKE, all one word, C-L-E-A-N-M-Y-K-E.
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Thank you so much to Hover for sponsoring this episode and supporting all of Real AFM.
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Hooray, Father!
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They're awesome.
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All my demands are there.
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So they're having an iPad event next week.
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And I just realized I skipped topic number two.
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Is it, well, I mean, let's just kill topic number two.
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No one will know what it was.
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Is it an iPad event though?
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Like do we know it's an iPad?
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We have no idea.
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Well, technically, no.
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No, we don't know because Apple doesn't reveal these things because Apple doesn't release products until Apple's ready Steven. I didn't know that's right
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So they never delayed. Okay, Apple is never delayed
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My favorite argument it's the one that I've made it but it's the worst argument ever it's not really the worst
00:54:13
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It's not when they operate on a schedule
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anyway, anyway
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You mispronounce schedule
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There's a link to Mac stories and a link to loop insight in the show notes October 16th
00:54:27
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Apples event is tongue-in-cheek as always saying it's been way too long. This is next Thursday, right?
00:54:33
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Sure, all basically every single show on the network is gonna miss it's gonna miss it
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I mean, we'll be there the week after yeah
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I so people sometimes ask why we don't move this show to handle events. We like time to think
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is what I tell people.
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- Also, I have a job.
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I like the two of you.
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- I still kind of have one for at least another
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four and a half weeks.
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- It's like we literally just had this conversation.
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- We can thank the European Union for this.
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- So, Jim Davenport says, "iPads, Macs,
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"and the introduction of EOS."
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- Yo, EOS 10.
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- OS XE Yosemite, I think all that makes a lot of sense.
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I would totally dig the, what is it,
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the Retina iMac rumor would be really cool.
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App Store would be really expensive.
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Mac Mini would be awesome.
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Do you remember the Mac Mini?
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It used to be a computer Apple made.
00:55:37
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- Listen to this.
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Shouldn't have done that, shouldn't have done that,
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but that's the Mac I'm recording on.
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- I don't think, did you hit it?
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It's not a cool-- - No.
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Is it have a hard drive in it?
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Not anymore.
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I would I really think the Mac Mini would probably get an update.
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This retina iMac thing is interesting.
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If the Mac Mini gets an update, what do you think is going to be in it?
00:56:05
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Like this is really in like.
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It'll be it'll be processors.
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I mean they're not gonna you remember my article from last year of like.
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It'll be SSDs too though right?
00:56:17
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I mean, it doesn't-- part of the Mac Mini is the price, right?
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That they put cheap components in there to keep it cheap.
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And I've heard a thing in September of last year
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about a theoretical Mac Mini that was like,
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the Mac Mini is the size and shape
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it is because the optical drive.
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How cool would it be if--
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Mine doesn't have an optical drive.
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Well, no, but it's still the same area.
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It's like, how cool would it be if you took a MacBook Air
00:56:45
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and just put it in an aluminum case with no battery.
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So I don't know, I don't think we're gonna see that.
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I think if the Mac Mini gets updated,
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it'll be processors and RAM or something like that.
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Nothing. - You really don't think
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solid state though, you really think that they would keep--
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- I think maybe it's an option,
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but I don't think they're gonna do it by default.
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I don't think they can - That would seem so weird.
00:57:05
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- to keep the price point. - That would seem so weird.
00:57:06
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- But the Mac Mini is so cheap,
00:57:09
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and SSDs are expensive compared to hard drives.
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The reason I ask this is like, I need... no, I don't need it.
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You need a computer?
00:57:19
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I would like a faster production machine because I'm using this Mac Mini, it's got a spinning
00:57:24
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disk in it and I feel that.
00:57:25
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Like I feel the slowness in everything that I do because I've used solid state devices
00:57:33
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to do this sort of stuff before so I know what it can feel like to use a much faster...
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Why not put an SSD in that Mac Mini?
00:57:41
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I did that at home. My home machine is a Mac Mini with an SSD in it.
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Why don't you put an SSD in my Mac Mini?
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Mail it to me.
00:57:47
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But then what do I record on?
00:57:49
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Just take the week off.
00:57:52
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I mean, I don't like to mess around with the machines that are powering the network.
00:57:59
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Like, I don't want to do that.
00:58:01
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Even if it's simply as something like replacing a hard drive, I don't want to do it.
00:58:06
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No, I know. And...
00:58:10
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I mean it'd be great to have an SSD Mac Mini, maybe they will but I'd be a little surprised
00:58:16
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I think I'm still running...
00:58:18
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I don't even want to know
00:58:19
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I'm running Mountain Lion
00:58:21
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That's not too bad
00:58:22
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Mountain Lion?
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No I'm running...
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MOUNTAIN LION!
00:58:25
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Yeah, Mountain Lion's 10.8 right?
00:58:26
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Mizzy Lizzy, yeah
00:58:27
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Yeah I'm running 10.8
00:58:30
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Good for you
00:58:31
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Well I would still be on Lion but they made me update it so I could use Logic Pro
00:58:39
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again I don't like to do anything to that machine like because it works right
00:58:44
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now so don't touch it but anyway all of this is to say I would like a faster
00:58:50
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more powerful computer I don't want an iMac because I don't want to lose the
00:58:56
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up the audio in and audio out it's just purely I just don't want the Mac many
00:59:01
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have audio in and out yes oh I didn't realize that was still around yeah the
00:59:06
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Mac Pro has it.
00:59:09
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- So then the only thing is like, I wanna go,
00:59:11
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I have to go to a Mac Pro, I don't want to do that.
00:59:13
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So a new Mac Mini would probably, would hopefully be good
00:59:16
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if it had a, what processor do you think you'd get,
00:59:19
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like an i5, an i7?
00:59:21
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- Yeah, which I think you can do, I think you do now,
00:59:23
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but it's an older, that's,
00:59:26
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it's not even Haswell, I don't think.
00:59:30
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Like it's pretty old.
00:59:32
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- So, I mean--
00:59:34
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- But you know, if you could do an i7 with SSD
00:59:36
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and like 16 gigs of RAM,
00:59:37
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that'd be a fine machine for what you need.
00:59:39
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- I need a fine machine.
00:59:43
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And then I'll be very happy.
00:59:44
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I would be very, very happy with that, I think.
00:59:46
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- So we'll cross our fingers.
00:59:49
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And okay, so to be clear,
00:59:52
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before to save people from emailing us,
00:59:54
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you can get a Mac Mini with an SSD.
00:59:57
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You can get a 256 gig SSD,
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and it's 200 bucks.
01:00:03
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- Yeah, I don't want 256 though, you know.
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Or if you buy the Apple server version of it,
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which is, then you can get two 256 gig drives for $600.
01:00:13
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So I'm not really sure why the price goes up.
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- Ideally I would like to put.
01:00:19
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- I mean, math does not really scale.
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- I would like to be able to put a terabyte.
01:00:30
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- Send it to me.
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You could totally do it.
01:00:33
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- Okay, that's it.
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okay like I can no you should take it somewhere I'm not doing it
01:00:41
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well there are a lot of people making SSD puns in the chat room I will ban I will
01:00:46
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ban you how could I have to say this Aaron LM Goodwin it will be SSD sent
01:00:55
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it's not even a pun you just threw letters together no it is a pun that's
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- It's not a very good one.
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- It's an excellent pun.
01:01:02
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- What about, so even a Redneck iMac,
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you want the audio in and out.
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- I want the audio in and out.
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I use Firewire, sometimes.
01:01:13
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Sometimes I use audio in and out, right?
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Sue me. - Like a gentleman.
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- Just sue me.
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But I just, I could use Firewire, but whatever.
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I just like to know that it's there.
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If something goes wrong, if something blows up,
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like it's just, it's there.
01:01:29
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I've had horrible things happen with the firewire in this machine once when I think it shorted.
01:01:35
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Do you remember that?
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That was a horrible day.
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I do remember that, yeah.
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That was a horrible day.
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And I fixed it for you over text message.
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Did you fix it?
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No, I think you did.
01:01:45
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I've read that iMac would be cool.
01:01:47
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So we didn't talk about this, so I own a Retina MacBook Pro now.
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And lots of things on the internet are blurry, which is not good.
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You have to just get used to that, and you do get used to it.
01:01:58
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I know you don't but don't run it at the best retina. Just don't ever do that. Anybody that does that is crazy
01:02:04
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It's way too small for me. So I use the the 1440 by 900 settings. So the one-click
01:02:10
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better than stock and
01:02:13
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The retina is really nice and as I use an external display at my desk and it's not retina and it makes me sad
01:02:19
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But I can't imagine like a retina iMac would be
01:02:23
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Maybe like vaguely overwhelming like your background picture is like you're looking at the window
01:02:28
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because it's enormous in retina David's box has had some fantastic points about
01:02:34
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this like what you should and shouldn't do and he was like don't look at it if
01:02:38
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you if you don't want to buy one don't ever go to a store and don't ever look
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at it because that screen will look incredible like it will be just insane
01:02:49
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but I feel like that will be such a terrible version one like I can't
01:02:57
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- You can't even imagine the amount of things
01:02:58
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that would go wrong.
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I mean, what size do you think it would be?
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- That seems like just--
01:03:03
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- And I think like this Apple Insider article
01:03:05
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kind of, the conversation has been
01:03:07
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that it would sit above the 27 inch in the current lineup,
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so they could justify the $12,000 it would cost.
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- That's the same as they did
01:03:14
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with the Retina MacBook Pro, right?
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- They show it as this is the future of computing.
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- That's exactly right, Michael.
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- I'm an Apple historian now.
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Congratulations to me.
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- That's literally all it takes.
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Like, I feel like, to me, I mean,
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there are smarter people that can tell me this is wrong, okay?
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I feel like it would just heat up.
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I feel like it would be the hottest computer in the world.
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Like, I just imagine, like, all of these little pixels
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working really, really hard, and it just starts to melt.
01:03:45
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- I don't think you--
01:03:46
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- Whatever, I just, that's how I feel, okay?
01:03:49
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- So what about iPads?
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Can I just say--
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- I don't even care.
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I don't, so what I do want, I'm not gonna upgrade my iPad this year.
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I haven't used my iPad in a month.
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However long I've had my iPhone 6 Plus.
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It's a good workflow.
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I've not used my iPad at all.
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I really want Touch ID on my iPad though.
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So I skipped the 5S, so I'm from a 5 to a 6, and it's just my first device with Touch
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ID, and I love it, and I want to use it for everything, and I turned it on to apps that
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don't even require it because I get to use it.
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No, I want Touch ID on my Mac more than I want to use it.
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would be legit but on I think it'll obviously be on the iPads do we want a
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bigger iPad I don't want there would have to be a really good reason like the
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only thing this sounds crazy but I don't want a mini right because it's too close
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in size to my 6+ yeah they're not that close right that the iPad is still feels
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different but they're close enough like the the main things that I would do on
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my iPad is read, right? But this 6 Plus screen is perfect for reading, like it's
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just fantastic, it looks better and it's easier to hold, etc etc. I don't like
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the Air form factor, I don't like it, I think it looks crazy. I think it looks
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like Fisher Price iPad because everything is huge, like all the icons
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are huge and I still think it's too big and too heavy even the air like I don't
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like it since the day the mini came out I've fallen out of love with the
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original iPad form factor in all of its form factors with the huge comical
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picture frame bezel and then even even in its current form I just don't like
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the big iPads they don't make sense to me so the only thing I can think of is
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like a super big iPad would obviously be for a reason well actually I say that
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they never really gave a reason for the big phones.
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So they're just like, big iPad, apps are big.
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- Yeah, Apple doesn't have to explain anything anymore.
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- Bigger, then bigger, then bigger.
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There you go, that's what it's gonna say.
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- Bigger, then bigger, then bigger, then bigger.
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- Bigger, bigger.
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- Bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger.
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- If they do this split screen stuff,
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which I still don't actually think would be that great,
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that's the only reason I can foresee them doing it.
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I mean, at that point, they're just Microsoft, right?
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'Cause that's just what Microsoft did.
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I don't really see what more you'd get out of it,
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but someone like Federico Petitchi
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would have like a field day, right?
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- I mean, maybe.
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It's gotta be done well,
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and my faith in that working currently at Apple is waning.
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- I feel like you need--
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- I think we need another year.
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- Waxing or waning?
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Which one means getting smaller?
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You don't even trust me, do you?
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I don't know why you asked me, but it is waning.
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I feel like you need to give it another year for developers to really understand auto-layout
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because clearly quite a lot of them ignored it.
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It's like, "Eh, it'll be fine."
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Remember the time you made fun of what we bought for an hour?
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Nobody disagreed with me vehemently.
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So I mean, it's clear, right?
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And I'm not saying that I know better than everybody, but some developers decided to
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follow the auto-layout rules and some of them didn't.
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the ones that didn't now are working really, really hard.
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I'm looking at you, Google, right?
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I'm just looking straight at you
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because I don't know what you're doing over there,
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but I don't understand why my apps still look like this,
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why I'm still using Fisher Price keyboards.
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Fisher Price is the word of the day.
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- Yeah, they're gonna sue us.
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- God, they're gonna sponsor.
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Yeah, it's one or the other.
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What about Apple Pay, right?
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I saw a dumb rumor about this.
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Apple Pay and an iPad.
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- Whatever, I totally wanna pay with a 12 inch iPad.
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- Oh, a good thing I brought my iMacs I can pay with.
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Have you ever picked up a 27 inch iMac?
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It's like picking up a car.
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- I had to--
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- And like, drop it on the Starbucks counter
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and like a barista cuts herself on the glass.
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Like, this is not gonna go well.
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- I bought a 27 inch iMac
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and then had to carry it home on the tube
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and I honestly thought my arms were gonna break off.
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- Did you think you were gonna get mugged?
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You can't like hide that in your bag.
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I was walking along the streets of London with this huge box.
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There's no easy way to hold it.
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I don't want to hold it by the handle
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because I was confident the handle was just going to snap.
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Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, the new thin IMAX.
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Can I tell you about this?
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The new thin IMAX that are dumb because you can't upgrade the RAM.
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Can we go back to this again?
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Yeah, it was like two years ago.
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The boxes are trapezoidal, so you can't stack them on each other.
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Like, it's insane.
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and they open like a garage door
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and it's the worst thing in the world.
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- Can't you like do some weird stacking
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where you do one and then turn the other one upside down?
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- Yeah, and then when you open it,
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your iMac falls out and it explodes.
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And people in the chat room are saying
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the iPad won't have NFC.
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And I just don't know about that
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because this guy's Twitter handle is crazy.
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Let's see, touch ID enabled iPads
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get the same setup screen without the part, oh, oh.
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Someone's been poking my eye, I was eight.
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- What's happening?
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- I don't know, it's in the chat.
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- Oh yeah, this ham's a suede person.
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I've seen them today.
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Did he? Was he yellow with one eye?
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Well, he's a despicable meeko. He's in London, you may have actually seen him.
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There have been many
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tweets from this person, like hacking into iOS.
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Like showing what the
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Apple Pay setup
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information is going to be like.
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loads of just interesting things.
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I should follow this person.
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they are digging around and they are having a great time.
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- Until Apple bombs your house with a drone.
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- Is that what they do?
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- I don't know, I don't work there anymore.
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Are we done?
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I feel like this shit ended up going down again.
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- No, this is, it's just getting good.
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- How's your CES?
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Yo S10, Yo 70, are we gonna get, what's gonna happen?
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Is it gonna ship next week?
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- I hope not.
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Don't ask me how many of you is.
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Last year they did it, they dropped Yosemite
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on the day of the event, or Mavericks last year,
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whatever the old one was.
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I would say that they could do it at the event
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unless there's new Mac hardware,
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in which case they will say,
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"Hey, order the new 12 inch Mac ProCare,
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"or the new RedNet iMac.
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they ship next Friday in Yosemite ships with them so we'll see. There's been
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like 19 goldmaster releases so I don't know what's happening over there.
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Could, yeah I love I love goldmaster too. It's not either way it's supposed to work.
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I love it it's like because the first one wasn't golden enough. But a Mac right?
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Mac hardware couldn't they just say shipping today? They could. And so they
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would just do it anyway?
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They did, I mean, yes, for sure.
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My guess is that we will probably see
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Yosemite on the 16th, but
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I don't know. That's not the date I
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that had floated around earlier
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that I had seen, so.
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When you say your review isn't ready
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are you actually doing a review?
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I've done like four now.
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Well I don't know if you're doing one, you said you were just doing
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a design one. Yeah, that's what it's
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going to become I think. Right. Because
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the design section is really finished and the other
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stuff is really not finished so I think that's what I'm going to do.
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The Mavericks review is still the longest thing ever posted on my site.
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You should read it.
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There's jokes about you in it. I think I did read it.
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There weren't any videos. And I read Syracuse's.
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Oh no, I blame Matthew Alexander.
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And I will do that again.
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Look what's in
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footnote one.
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I'm going to link directly to the footnote in the show notes because people should definitely
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watch that video.
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Can you please?
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Okay, what are we even doing now?
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Have you run Yosemite?
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I've ran the first preview, the, what do they call it?
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For the normal people.
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Public beta.
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I ran the first public beta just so I could try out the app previews because that seemed
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like a really good idea.
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Then I got too busy with this relay thing.
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So I've not pursued app previews but I may start looking at app previews again.
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As in selling my voice to app previews.
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So you really didn't answer, are you still running it with somebody?
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I put it on an external hard drive.
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And I ran it that one day.
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I may have accidentally signed up for iCloud Drive, ruined everything.
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Sped through that. Uh-huh and clear what still won't sync and have not used it since.
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Good times. So now I'm waiting. I'm running it full-time. I have been for a while now.
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How do you feel about it now you're using it on a retina? That's so much
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better. It looks really bad on a non-retina machine. It looks really good
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on a retina machine. Does it look really bad or does it not look as good? It's muddy.
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Like, I mean the colors are fine. Helvetica just doesn't do very well. It's
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sort of gross in places. So isn't it maybe the wrong time to go to Helvetica?
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Yeah. Because what's the portion of Macs that have got retina screens? Like all of
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them except the ones that don't. It's like the MacBook Pros. It's not a lot. It's not,
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yeah. Yeah. It's not a ton of them. So if you don't own a MacBook Pro from the last
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couple of years. Sort of Mavics forever. It's gonna look terrible. It's not awful but once
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you get into it on a retina machine you don't want to go back. Yeah it's fine. I mean gold
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master jokes aside it's pretty stable at this point it's it's it's pretty much
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ready to go I think. Really? Except for the part where finder sometimes doesn't
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start and you have to reboot your computer because you don't because you
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don't have a finder anymore. Seems like a pretty big thing. That's fine.
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You don't need finder. The finder icon is the worst part about you somebody.
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just review the finder app icon. I love the finder app icon it looks so happy and it makes
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me feel happy. It's meth doubt! Not good. That's what I like he's blue like the meth.
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You know it's so good. It's dark mode still look horrible. It's not it's not good. It's
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It's not good at all.
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Third party icons that live in the minibar obviously need updating so a lot of it is
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sort of grossness there but it just looks, I don't know, like the contrast is really
01:15:14
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weird in places and it's kind of harsh when you hover over it in the blue or grey appearance
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Sometimes the edges look weird.
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I don't know, I'm not a fan, I've not been running it in dark mode, I don't plan on it.
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If you'd like to find the show notes for this week's episode of Connected, you should point
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your web navigator to relay.fm/connected/8.
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That's the way you're going to find all the show notes.
01:15:44
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If you would like to catch up with Mr. Stephen Hackett and what he does on the internet,
01:15:47
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then you should go to Twitter and follow him.
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He's @ismh on Twitter and he writes over at 512pixels.net.
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I am Myke Hurley.
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I am @imike.
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I host a cavalcade of podcasts at relay.fm.
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If you go there and click everything except Clockwise, which you should be
01:16:09
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listening to, by the way, you will hear my voice.
01:16:11
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If sometimes if you click specific episodes of Clockwise, you will also
01:16:16
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hear my voice, but I'm not there all the time, but you should be listening to that
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show anyway, because that's a great addition to the network.
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So thank you.
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What has happened?
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Thank you to Jason Snell and Dan Morin for bringing that over.
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I'm trying to think of some other things to say.
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I will soon be funemployed as part of Real AFM so that'll be great.
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Really looking forward to that.
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About four and a bit weeks.
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I'm just filling time now.
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This is quite fun.
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>> Just read our Twitter handles and we get home.
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>> I've already done it.
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If you'd like to find Federico Vittucci, he's at maxstories.net and he is @vittucci.
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you'd like to find Casey Liss just... CaseyLiss.com? I don't know I don't know.
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He's @CaseyLiss on Twitter that's C-A-S-E-Y-L-I-S-S. That's Casey Liss and he hosts
01:17:09
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Analogue on Real AFM. Anybody else? John Gruber he's @Gruber on Twitter and
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and he writes it during Fireball.
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I think that's about it.
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That's everybody I think that you need to know.
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We'll be back next week with Federico hopefully
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so we can try and restore some order to this podcast.
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Until then, say goodbye Steven.