Connected

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00:00:02 ◼   ► - Welcome back to another episode of Connected on Relay FM.

00:00:11 ◼   ► This episode of Connected is brought to you by Backblaze,

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00:00:20 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley.

00:00:21 ◼   ► Today I'm joined by Federico Fittucci.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Hi Federico.

00:00:23 ◼   ► - Hey Myke.

00:00:24 ◼   ► - And Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hello Stephen.

00:00:27 ◼   ► - Hey boys.

00:00:28 ◼   ► Guys, it's another episode of our favorite show.

00:00:31 ◼   ► It's the only Apple show that goes beyond America.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, sure.

00:00:37 ◼   ► We can make that claim.

00:00:38 ◼   ► You know?

00:00:39 ◼   ► Europe really taxes the hell out of ATP.

00:00:46 ◼   ► What's up?

00:00:47 ◼   ► Welcome back.

00:00:49 ◼   ► Well, you guys know, I told you that I have an Ikea kitchen

00:00:54 ◼   ► fully set up at this point.

00:00:56 ◼   ► I'm very happy.

00:00:57 ◼   ► I'm very glad.

00:00:58 ◼   ► And to my disappointment, I realized that IKEA doesn't have an iOS app.

00:01:04 ◼   ► Have you guys ever bought a kitchen at IKEA?

00:01:09 ◼   ► No. There's not an IKEA here, actually.

00:01:14 ◼   ► You have to go like five hours away to one in Georgia.

00:01:19 ◼   ► So they have a 3D modeling program for web browsers on the desktop that requires you

00:01:29 ◼   ► to install a plugin in Safari and it's kind of terrible and I was hoping that they would

00:01:35 ◼   ► have like an iPad app or at least some compatible apps made by other people but it turns out

00:01:42 ◼   ► that such a thing doesn't exist and I needed to use my MacBook to sketch out my kitchen

00:01:50 ◼   ► with the IKEA browser tool and my MacBook's fans were spinning really really fast and

00:01:58 ◼   ► it was loud and awful.

00:02:01 ◼   ► I'm sorry to hear that.

00:02:04 ◼   ► Yeah but at least my kitchen is done so I don't have to think about that anymore.

00:02:08 ◼   ► by Mac Mini and your MacBook Air I think probably only has one fan but it's fine.

00:02:13 ◼   ► Only one? I think so. Well that's enough I guess. Maybe, I don't know. So let's jump into

00:02:22 ◼   ► some follow-up. Follow-up. So we got a lot of feedback. Brian Redmond is the one

00:02:32 ◼   ► that we are going to bless with attribution about. We got some angry

00:02:37 ◼   ► follow-up as well I received some angry follow-up. We have angry listeners? Yeah.

00:02:43 ◼   ► I received an email that was ridiculous. Oh yeah, I forgot about that email. You have avoided those emails to me by the way.

00:02:49 ◼   ► I archived them. There used to be a podcast about angry people, but now it's

00:02:53 ◼   ► they shut it down. Too soon, bro. So Brian Redman on Twitter links to the

00:03:01 ◼   ► KBase, as you might imagine, about how to do the thing...

00:03:08 ◼   ► What is this? What are you trying to do? Copy a logical range of data, right?

00:03:12 ◼   ► Yeah, so basically I was complaining that I couldn't find a way to take a field in

00:03:20 ◼   ► numbers on iOS, select it, and sort of drag down and just copy it down the

00:03:27 ◼   ► column because Google Drive does this by just adding a small button that's on the

00:03:33 ◼   ► bottom of the columns which is always exposed so you can do it quite easily.

00:03:35 ◼   ► Now to do this on iOS you have to tap in the first row so you receive like so you

00:03:44 ◼   ► see the copy-cut-paste thing and then you have to tap it again or something

00:03:52 ◼   ► and press like the fill button and then when you press the fill button this

00:03:56 ◼   ► yellow box appears around the field and you can drag it around. Now I still

00:04:03 ◼   ► maintain it okay it's possible but that is not intuitive it is intuitive in

00:04:08 ◼   ► Google Drive, Google Sheets because it's just a button that's always just there.

00:04:15 ◼   ► It's a pro tip from the Apple website. I would never have thought that like you

00:04:23 ◼   ► would need to tap to bring up the copy and paste dialogue to then press another button

00:04:28 ◼   ► to then activate a mode in which you could do that.

00:04:30 ◼   ► It just doesn't seem like an intuitive way of doing it.

00:04:34 ◼   ► It's not.

00:04:35 ◼   ► It's not at all.

00:04:36 ◼   ► The entire copy and paste system needs to be revamped eventually.

00:04:44 ◼   ► It was first designed in 2010 and things have changed quite a bit around iOS apps and interaction

00:04:51 ◼   ► with different extensions and widgets and stuff and we're still stuck with the same

00:04:57 ◼   ► copy and paste menu of four years ago and you know developers cannot tap into that menu,

00:05:04 ◼   ► only Apple can do stuff, developers can have some limited control so they can add but they

00:05:11 ◼   ► cannot really build for recent extensions into that menu and I guess they also, the

00:05:17 ◼   ► whole text selection mechanism on iOS is one of my major limitations when I try to work

00:05:27 ◼   ► on the iPad without using a keyboard.

00:05:30 ◼   ► Because selecting text on iOS, especially when it comes to selecting text that spans

00:05:34 ◼   ► multiple paragraphs and lines, that's always cumbersome.

00:05:38 ◼   ► And this example in numbers and Google Sheets is just one instance of a system that I think

00:05:46 ◼   ► it's growing a bit stale, you know?

00:05:50 ◼   ► Yeah, because I mean they're doing like this interaction here, they're

00:05:54 ◼   ► trying to do more in the interface than what they initially

00:05:58 ◼   ► brought it into the world needing to

00:06:02 ◼   ► do. Like the "you're going to replace and define" and like, it's all great

00:06:06 ◼   ► but it's really feeling more and more like they

00:06:10 ◼   ► don't know what to do with it. They just keep adding things to it or adding things behind extra buttons

00:06:14 ◼   ► And I totally agree that the system needs a good overhaul.

00:06:19 ◼   ► I don't know what that looks like.

00:06:20 ◼   ► I'm not smart enough to figure out what that's supposed to do,

00:06:23 ◼   ► but I do agree that it is very frustrating to use

00:06:26 ◼   ► if you really need fine-grain text control on iOS.

00:06:30 ◼   ► - So I wanted to just bring up quickly

00:06:36 ◼   ► something just about last week and et cetera.

00:06:41 ◼   ► I complain about iOS because I love iOS.

00:06:46 ◼   ► Like I do so much work on it that when it kind of,

00:06:49 ◼   ► when it frustrates me or things seem weird

00:06:52 ◼   ► or they don't operate the way that would seem logical

00:06:56 ◼   ► or intuitive, I get annoyed by it

00:06:58 ◼   ► because most of the time it does.

00:07:00 ◼   ► Like iOS is my operating system of choice,

00:07:03 ◼   ► like just generally, it's my favorite.

00:07:05 ◼   ► I like doing things on it more than anything else

00:07:08 ◼   ► than any other platform.

00:07:09 ◼   ► But it's just when you come into these roadblocks

00:07:12 ◼   ► where it's like, oh, I don't know how to do this,

00:07:15 ◼   ► or this doesn't make sense to me,

00:07:17 ◼   ► there are things that are hidden.

00:07:18 ◼   ► Like in Mail, for example,

00:07:20 ◼   ► so many functions are hidden behind scrolling views

00:07:24 ◼   ► of the cut, copy, and paste dialogue.

00:07:28 ◼   ► That just seems like such a weird place to have,

00:07:31 ◼   ► press this button to see more options.

00:07:34 ◼   ► Little things like that, or like I was saying

00:07:36 ◼   ► about how rich text means that I can't very easily copy something from a Google Doc document

00:07:45 ◼   ► and paste it into mail and it loses formatting and things like that. So it frustrates me

00:07:49 ◼   ► because it's so powerful. But then when I can't do those things, it annoys me and that's

00:07:54 ◼   ► why I get upset about it.

00:07:56 ◼   ► Copying rich text on iOS is like the Russian roulette. You never know if it's going to

00:08:02 ◼   ► work or not. You copy some rich text in Safari and you paste it in Mail and it keeps the

00:08:07 ◼   ► formatting by you copying like pages or Evernote or maybe an RSS reader and you paste elsewhere

00:08:17 ◼   ► and either you screw things up and you get crazy formatting or you don't get rich text

00:08:22 ◼   ► at all and you just get plain text and that's always annoying for me. I guess the reason

00:08:27 ◼   ► behind this is that it's both Apple's and the developers fault to implement rich

00:08:33 ◼   ► techs in a way that's consistent and that works across multiple apps. It's

00:08:38 ◼   ► just that this feature seems to always work on OS X and it kind of never does

00:08:44 ◼   ► on iOS. So I don't know whose fault it is, I don't want to care. It's

00:08:51 ◼   ► something that's supposed to always work like it mostly does on the Mac

00:08:55 ◼   ► and it doesn't on iOS, so that's one area for improvement.

00:09:01 ◼   ► Or at least another one.

00:09:06 ◼   ► So I got something else wrong last week.

00:09:10 ◼   ► I mentioned that the iPad sold less than the Mac and either I said it wrong or at least

00:09:21 ◼   ► made it sound in such a way that what I meant was that the Mac sold more units

00:09:27 ◼   ► than the iPad. That is incorrect. What is correct is that the Mac brought in

00:09:34 ◼   ► more revenue than the iPad for... what was it? Q2 or Q4? No, what Q? Q. That's a lot of Qs.

00:09:43 ◼   ► Q4. Q4 2014. So the last quarterly profits. So yeah, there was that. Very sorry.

00:09:50 ◼   ► that I misled you everybody I didn't mean to do that but it's I still find the

00:09:55 ◼   ► data point as interesting whoever with no matter what way it is just the fact

00:10:00 ◼   ► that the Mac made more money it's just very interesting to me so I wouldn't

00:10:05 ◼   ► have expected that well I guess you could argue that Apple has been doing a

00:10:10 ◼   ► good job with it with the Mac advertisement campaigns in the in the

00:10:14 ◼   ► past year, especially the 30 year anniversary of the Mac.

00:10:22 ◼   ► And they did a bunch of videos, they had the crazy timeline on the

00:10:30 ◼   ► Apple website and it was a really, really good campaign.

00:10:35 ◼   ► And in my opinion, it was more practical from an everyday perspective

00:10:42 ◼   ► than the Your Verse campaign for the iPad.

00:10:46 ◼   ► Because with the Mac, they had this timeline,

00:10:49 ◼   ► and they had these examples of people doing their jobs

00:10:54 ◼   ► with the Mac and doing stuff

00:10:55 ◼   ► that most people can understand, right?

00:10:58 ◼   ► They showed graphic artists, they showed musicians,

00:11:02 ◼   ► and professions that people can relate to, I guess,

00:11:06 ◼   ► architects, designers, writers.

00:11:08 ◼   ► With the Your Verse campaign,

00:11:11 ◼   ► they're showing people climbing mountains or diving under the ocean, you know, just

00:11:17 ◼   ► crazy tasks that are possible with the iPad.

00:11:20 ◼   ► It's just that it's, you know, you don't hear those kind of tasks on a computer every day.

00:11:29 ◼   ► You don't know what's on my to-do list.

00:11:33 ◼   ► I would probably say as well that the MacBook sticker campaign was also probably, I mean,

00:11:41 ◼   ► speak maybe a little bias but I expect that that campaign was also very popular

00:11:47 ◼   ► just because you don't like to put stickers on your Mac there's clearly a

00:11:50 ◼   ► lot of people that do enough that Apple deemed it they blessed my decision

00:11:57 ◼   ► with a with an advertising campaign no they did and it makes me sad we should

00:12:02 ◼   ► make you happy because I'm accepted the I agree with you Federico I think that

00:12:10 ◼   ► the 30th anniversary of the Mac, I think it was stronger because it did show like

00:12:15 ◼   ► the Mac had real impact on a bunch of different industries, right? Like most notably

00:12:21 ◼   ► education and print design and like publication stuff, but you know, made real impact and they

00:12:29 ◼   ► can't either they can't say that about the iPad and maybe they can't back to the conversation

00:12:34 ◼   ► of the last several weeks or maybe they feel like, you know, the iPad, like the Mac could never

00:12:42 ◼   ► go to these places that the iPad can and so the iPad is like a super set of everything the Mac

00:12:47 ◼   ► does but sort of in a weird way. But I do agree with you, I think that the campaigns aren't equal

00:12:54 ◼   ► for sure. Indeed.

00:13:02 ◼   ► yeah extremely important piece of follow-up most important ever would you

00:13:06 ◼   ► like to explain Steven the national scale tragedy that occurred and how it's

00:13:14 ◼   ► been yeah how it's been it's been fixed fixed yeah that's the word so in Star

00:13:19 ◼   ► Wars if you remember they blow up an entire planet with the Death Star and

00:13:24 ◼   ► it's very sad sort of they kind of gloss over it actually so we never watched

00:13:29 ◼   ► Star Wars. Please explain the reference. Stop saying it in public. Why? Is that a shame?

00:13:40 ◼   ► Why? I don't like sci-fi stuff. Oh my god am I doing a crime? Well you know people will get very

00:13:52 ◼   ► upset if... What? Because I don't share the same tastes? Yes, for Star Wars. Other

00:13:58 ◼   ► things is fine typically. Well I guess people should grow up then, you know? Alright let's move on okay so... No I'm just saying if you don't, just because I don't like something that you like and you accuse me of not liking it, it doesn't seem like a mature thing to do, you know?

00:14:12 ◼   ► Star Wars gate. Welcome to the internet my friends. For real. So we had accidentally done basically the same thing to Greenland with our show artwork and we got a lot of emails about it and it kind of dropped off my radar but we have it fixed now

00:14:28 ◼   ► And Greenland is now back on the map, on the connected artwork.

00:14:34 ◼   ► It's on the site, should be in iTunes.

00:14:35 ◼   ► A bunch of third-party apps cache artwork, and there's a hundred different ways to reset it.

00:14:40 ◼   ► Maybe you'll see it eventually in your third-party app.

00:14:42 ◼   ► Maybe you won't, but it is there.

00:14:45 ◼   ► I'll tell you what though, if you-- I mean, not because we don't love Greenland.

00:14:48 ◼   ► I mean, sorry Greenland, we really didn't get to do this to you.

00:14:51 ◼   ► Yeah, it was a mistake.

00:14:51 ◼   ► If we're going to get rid of a country, it would not have been Greenland.

00:14:54 ◼   ► If you currently subscribe to the show in an app that doesn't update the artwork and you ever see me in person,

00:15:00 ◼   ► if you show me the artwork and it doesn't have Greenland in it, you'll get a special prize because you'll be vintage.

00:15:06 ◼   ► A kiss on the cheek.

00:15:08 ◼   ► Yeah, sure, we can do that.

00:15:09 ◼   ► So we're extremely apologetic to the people of Greenland.

00:15:14 ◼   ► And to Federica.

00:15:16 ◼   ► You guys seem really afraid of me saying that I don't like Star Wars.

00:15:23 ◼   ► No, I'm not afraid of you. I'm afraid of everybody. I'm afraid for you.

00:15:27 ◼   ► What are they gonna do?

00:15:28 ◼   ► I'm afraid for you.

00:15:30 ◼   ► Come find me?

00:15:31 ◼   ► They're gonna dox you.

00:15:32 ◼   ► Well, they can dox me.

00:15:34 ◼   ► They will. They'll dox you.

00:15:36 ◼   ► I'm sure we'll have a good time.

00:15:38 ◼   ► Whoever comes visit me.

00:15:41 ◼   ► In a Jedi costume.

00:15:43 ◼   ► Hey guys, the iPod classic made headlines this week.

00:15:47 ◼   ► I had to check what year it was and then I read the article.

00:15:51 ◼   ► So, this week Tim Cook was at WSJD, which is like the new Wall Street Journal conference,

00:16:01 ◼   ► which is the same time as the ReCode conference, which I find hilarious.

00:16:05 ◼   ► That's not weird at all.

00:16:06 ◼   ► No, it's just, no, they're not bitter, I'm sure.

00:16:09 ◼   ► MBD, guys, MBD.

00:16:11 ◼   ► It's fine, there's 52 weeks, we just happened to land on the same one.

00:16:17 ◼   ► So Tim Cook was asked in the Q&A why the iPod Classic was discontinued and there's a link

00:16:23 ◼   ► to the Verge and basically Tim Cook said the iPod Classic was discontinued because they

00:16:27 ◼   ► couldn't get the parts anymore and worth designing a new one wasn't really worth it.

00:16:33 ◼   ► Which I find like, I mean, I get it, like this is not me like asking Apple to bring

00:16:39 ◼   ► the iPod Classic back.

00:16:41 ◼   ► Are you about to launch a conspiracy theory?

00:16:43 ◼   ► No.

00:16:44 ◼   ► No.

00:16:45 ◼   ► But?

00:16:46 ◼   ► But if I were, no, like Apple doesn't not do things because they

00:16:57 ◼   ► can't get the parts, right? Like Apple invented, you know, like, "Hey, we need RAM

00:17:02 ◼   ► for the next decade. Go build a factory. Here's $45 billion." Like, it's not that

00:17:08 ◼   ► Apple can't get the parts. It's the second one, that it wasn't worth designing a

00:17:11 ◼   ► whole new one when the parts became difficult or, you know... Like, I'm sure

00:17:15 ◼   ► Toshiba was only making 1.8 inch hard drives for the iPod.

00:17:19 ◼   ► Those things have gone the way of the dodo.

00:17:21 ◼   ► But it's just, I was excited to see my little friend make the news again and then it was

00:17:26 ◼   ► sad that it was about his death.

00:17:28 ◼   ► But it's okay, I still have mine.

00:17:30 ◼   ► It's still clicking and whirring away.

00:17:33 ◼   ► It's good.

00:17:35 ◼   ► Do you want my iPod Classic, Simon?

00:17:37 ◼   ► I bought one, remember?

00:17:38 ◼   ► Mine's a new.

00:17:39 ◼   ► Oh yeah, you bought one.

00:17:40 ◼   ► New, air quotes.

00:17:41 ◼   ► Myke, do you want mine, Myke?

00:17:44 ◼   ► I can ship it to you put some service music on it if you put some of your

00:17:53 ◼   ► music on there yeah listen yours then I'll take it hey why don't we use one of

00:18:01 ◼   ► your songs for the intro to the show I really messed up no we really shouldn't

00:18:04 ◼   ► I don't know but I mean I can still make that happen no it's not a good idea it

00:18:08 ◼   ► It is not a good idea.

00:18:09 ◼   ► A co-founder approved.

00:18:11 ◼   ► [MUSIC PLAYING]

00:18:13 ◼   ► You say I'm Chinsa Sofa, but you remember my name.

00:18:16 ◼   ► You don't get a co-founder veto on this.

00:18:18 ◼   ► So yeah, so that's follow-up this week.

00:18:25 ◼   ► iPod Classic, Greenland, and Myke getting things wrong.

00:18:29 ◼   ► Pretty average week.

00:18:30 ◼   ► That actually sounds like a really normal week.

00:18:32 ◼   ► You know what we should talk about?

00:18:33 ◼   ► Greenland is the only thing that--

00:18:36 ◼   ► So I guess the topic zero is photo management.

00:18:39 ◼   ► And then we are going to circle back to, let me guess,

00:18:45 ◼   ► music streaming services.

00:18:47 ◼   ► And then me and Federico can argue about the iWatch.

00:18:52 ◼   ► Oh yeah. And pebble notifications. Yeah.

00:18:54 ◼   ► I'm just going to sit in the corner and cry. Sounds like a solid show guys.

00:18:58 ◼   ► Just a typical connected show.

00:19:00 ◼   ► Why not we not do that and Myke, you tell us about our friends at Backblaze.

00:19:05 ◼   ► I would love to.

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00:19:08 ◼   ► everybody should be staying connected with their files.

00:19:12 ◼   ► Okay?

00:19:13 ◼   ► - No, Myke.

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00:19:34 ◼   ► Not a lot, but there were things gone from my machine that I'll never see again.

00:19:40 ◼   ► The worst part is the realisation that I actually don't know what I lost, I just know that things

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00:19:46 ◼   ► I know that there were files that were not backed up, definitely, and I don't necessarily

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00:20:51 ◼   ► I was super impressed by that,

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00:20:54 ◼   ► it was like I was connected to my Mac.

00:20:57 ◼   ► like it was like it was some sort of network connection,

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00:21:26 ◼   ► and you're not using Backblaze, take my advice and change this.

00:21:29 ◼   ► Don't be a dummy like Myke.

00:21:31 ◼   ► Go get Backblaze.

00:21:32 ◼   ► Thank you so much to Backblaze for supporting

00:21:34 ◼   ► connected and Relay FM.

00:21:38 ◼   ► You know, we picked Backblaze as our favorite best cloud backup

00:21:44 ◼   ► service on the suite setup, I think, earlier this year.

00:21:48 ◼   ► Should check it out for sure.

00:21:52 ◼   ► So topic zero.

00:21:55 ◼   ► Someone has labeled what in the Google Doc?

00:22:00 ◼   ► What is this?

00:22:02 ◼   ► What is this video that I haven't watched?

00:22:05 ◼   ► - So somebody has somehow, I'm not sure how,

00:22:09 ◼   ► basically created an app which is a UI demo

00:22:13 ◼   ► of the Apple Watch user interface on an iPhone

00:22:17 ◼   ► and how that would look.

00:22:19 ◼   ► So Steven, if you've not seen this,

00:22:21 ◼   ► just jump to like a minute in the video

00:22:23 ◼   ► and you'll see what's going on here.

00:22:26 ◼   ► It's basically the tiny,

00:22:28 ◼   ► circular apps

00:22:30 ◼   ► like infinitely displayed

00:22:32 ◼   ► and you can zoom out and see them all in tiny, tiny dots and you can zoom in.

00:22:37 ◼   ► There you go. And you can drag around and select apps.

00:22:42 ◼   ► I've seen some people say that this looks fantastic and is the way that

00:22:46 ◼   ► things should be.

00:22:47 ◼   ► It looks fantastic? I love this.

00:22:51 ◼   ► oh really?

00:22:53 ◼   ► yeah

00:22:54 ◼   ► are you being serious?

00:22:55 ◼   ► I mean I don't want to use it, I don't want to use it but it looks pretty

00:22:58 ◼   ► I think it looks pretty?

00:22:59 ◼   ► I think it looks horrible

00:23:01 ◼   ► oh my god

00:23:02 ◼   ► can you imagine trying to find your...

00:23:05 ◼   ► there is no organisation

00:23:07 ◼   ► I said I don't want to use it but it looks pretty

00:23:10 ◼   ► it doesn't look pretty, it looks like a bee hive

00:23:12 ◼   ► at this point he's just opening safari over and over

00:23:14 ◼   ► yeah because it's the only one that got working probably

00:23:16 ◼   ► I... well one, bravo to that guy for doing that

00:23:21 ◼   ► I like the animation transition of the circle, but that's all I like.

00:23:26 ◼   ► I can't ever imagine wanting my phone to look like this, plus I just think it looks weird.

00:23:31 ◼   ► I understand it maybe on the watch, although I'm still not sold on that UI anyway, but

00:23:36 ◼   ► I can't imagine ever wanting to have my iPhone do that.

00:23:40 ◼   ► It just seems like a horrible, horrible way of navigating.

00:23:47 ◼   ► Not a fan.

00:23:50 ◼   ► It's interesting. I mean, I do think it's a nice interface. Again, it is weird on the

00:23:56 ◼   ► phone. It would not work on the phone, I don't think. But it is. I think the animation, I

00:24:02 ◼   ► think the way it looks is pretty. I do think usability-wise, it's no good on a bigger device.

00:24:08 ◼   ► But no bueno. But I mean, you're right. They're not bringing this to the iPhone, probably.

00:24:15 ◼   ► Right? Famous last words?

00:24:16 ◼   ► We don't like it. Myke and I have decided that we don't like it.

00:24:20 ◼   ► Yeah, they're going to bring it to the Mac, right? Like you...

00:24:22 ◼   ► Use your mouse?

00:24:24 ◼   ► They're going to replace the Finder and Launchpad with this thing that the circles and the animations.

00:24:34 ◼   ► And they will specifically say "We made this for Steven."

00:24:40 ◼   ► I don't want it. I'm saying it looks nice.

00:24:44 ◼   ► They will force it upon you.

00:24:46 ◼   ► Yeah, you'll be the only person that has to use it because you want it so bad

00:24:49 ◼   ► They will modify your Mac like like the NSA does for the wireless

00:24:56 ◼   ► routers that they sell they will modify your Mac to

00:25:00 ◼   ► to have this sort of springboard and

00:25:05 ◼   ► Not the finder and you won't even be able to look at the library folder so you cannot mess around

00:25:12 ◼   ► That sounds really punitive

00:25:15 ◼   ► Sounds like a nightmare, right?

00:25:19 ◼   ► So I mean, yeah, I wouldn't want to use it, but I do think it's pretty and I do think

00:25:25 ◼   ► that it's probably much better suited for the phone or for the watch, excuse me, than

00:25:31 ◼   ► the phone.

00:25:32 ◼   ► But we'll see.

00:25:33 ◼   ► I agree with you, Myke.

00:25:34 ◼   ► We need to touch it and use it before we know what it'd be like.

00:25:38 ◼   ► But seeing this video made me think about something because what this...

00:25:43 ◼   ► My main reason for not liking the way this looks, especially on my phone, is there's

00:25:47 ◼   ► no seemingly standard organisation to anything.

00:25:52 ◼   ► Things just repeat themselves.

00:25:54 ◼   ► You would not, even if you could organise in that view, you probably wouldn't want to.

00:25:57 ◼   ► Well they repeat because dude made a YouTube video.

00:26:00 ◼   ► I don't think on the watch videos things repeat.

00:26:03 ◼   ► Things have placement, and I think they even showed in the demo that you can adjust that

00:26:07 ◼   ► placement.

00:26:08 ◼   ► But even if there is placement, which I don't remember seeing, I feel like that placement

00:26:12 ◼   ► is not as ordered as the current placement that we have, and I quite like the placement.

00:26:19 ◼   ► So basically this got me thinking about the age-old discussion of how do we organize the

00:26:25 ◼   ► apps on our phones.

00:26:28 ◼   ► And I thought it might be a really nice time to revisit this because we all have bigger

00:26:31 ◼   ► phones now, so we recently potentially had to look at reorganizing.

00:26:37 ◼   ► The other thing that made me think of it, so it was that, and then also I had to choose

00:26:41 ◼   ► a new wallpaper for my phone and I'll talk about that in a moment.

00:26:47 ◼   ► So we have in the show notes for this episode some apps will show it as an image otherwise

00:26:53 ◼   ► you can click a little link and you can see it.

00:26:57 ◼   ► Steven has created a size accurate depiction of our home screens including the phones that

00:27:03 ◼   ► we're using which is very nice.

00:27:04 ◼   ► Thank you Steven, you've shown off your artistic work, you get a gold star.

00:27:07 ◼   ► Did you guys know that people can find the show notes at relay.fm/connected/11?

00:27:12 ◼   ► I didn't know that, but thank you for letting everybody know!

00:27:15 ◼   ► See?

00:27:16 ◼   ► I'm doing my homework.

00:27:19 ◼   ► You were on the ball with that.

00:27:22 ◼   ► Yeah, I know.

00:27:24 ◼   ► So what you can do, if you want to see how big these phones are, you can put your hand

00:27:30 ◼   ► up next to your MacBook screen.

00:27:32 ◼   ► No, just kidding.

00:27:33 ◼   ► Wow, wow.

00:27:34 ◼   ► So guys, can I...

00:27:35 ◼   ► So we call it TBT.

00:27:36 ◼   ► Do I have to talk about the home screen on my phone or can I use my iPad?

00:27:43 ◼   ► No.

00:27:44 ◼   ► As a reference.

00:27:45 ◼   ► Phone.

00:27:46 ◼   ► No because, you know, I swear Myke, I'm not trolling you but I restored my phone a couple

00:27:52 ◼   ► of days ago and so my... Myke?

00:27:56 ◼   ► Yes?

00:27:57 ◼   ► I'm not joking.

00:27:59 ◼   ► This is not meant to tease you.

00:28:01 ◼   ► Well, do you know what you can do Federico?

00:28:02 ◼   ► You can look at the image and you're gonna have to pretend.

00:28:04 ◼   ► Yeah, we told you this was coming.

00:28:07 ◼   ► So somebody that restores their phone during the time that we decided to do this topic

00:28:12 ◼   ► and the show being, which is like 48 hours, you now have to look at an image.

00:28:16 ◼   ► I have the same setup on the iPad.

00:28:21 ◼   ► So you can pretend, okay?

00:28:23 ◼   ► But if it's not like the image, then so be it.

00:28:25 ◼   ► Why do you sound bitter?

00:28:26 ◼   ► Why do you sound so, so upset?

00:28:29 ◼   ► Because we've done, we've made lists.

00:28:30 ◼   ► Why is your phone bigger in the middle?

00:28:33 ◼   ► because my phone's the biggest.

00:28:35 ◼   ► - This is the six plus.

00:28:36 ◼   ► - You have such an ego.

00:28:38 ◼   ► - Well, maybe I do, but it's still a bigger phone.

00:28:41 ◼   ► I have a phone which is comparable to my ego.

00:28:43 ◼   ► So.

00:28:44 ◼   ► - This was really fun doing this podcast with you guys.

00:28:50 ◼   ► I'm just gonna go.

00:28:51 ◼   ► - Why is, Myke, why is your home screen

00:28:54 ◼   ► a bunch of check marks?

00:28:56 ◼   ► - We'll get to that.

00:28:57 ◼   ► - We're gonna get to that.

00:28:58 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:28:59 ◼   ► Okay, so in the show notes,

00:29:03 ◼   ► They have this image and basically we've organized them

00:29:07 ◼   ► to apps we have in common, which there's only four apps

00:29:09 ◼   ► that the three of us share on our home screen,

00:29:11 ◼   ► which is like the most prompt slash connected thing

00:29:14 ◼   ► that's ever happened.

00:29:16 ◼   ► And then we have a bunch of apps that we have

00:29:18 ◼   ► that two out of the three of us have in common.

00:29:21 ◼   ► And then there's a ton of apps that Federico

00:29:25 ◼   ► is the only person with.

00:29:26 ◼   ► There's only two that I'm the only person with.

00:29:28 ◼   ► So we're gonna talk about what that means

00:29:30 ◼   ► for us philosophically.

00:29:31 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:29:32 ◼   ► Let's talk about wallpapers first and then we can talk about...

00:29:35 ◼   ► Yes.

00:29:36 ◼   ► Now let's talk about Steven using the weather app.

00:29:39 ◼   ► It's not the weather app.

00:29:40 ◼   ► It's not?

00:29:41 ◼   ► Oh, that's perfect weather.

00:29:42 ◼   ► Do you not look at the...

00:29:43 ◼   ► There's a Google...

00:29:44 ◼   ► That's perfect weather.

00:29:45 ◼   ► The icon is so...

00:29:47 ◼   ► It's the same one.

00:29:48 ◼   ► Come on, you cannot blame me.

00:29:49 ◼   ► It is perfect weather.

00:29:51 ◼   ► I don't understand why anybody uses the weather app and not just use the notification center.

00:29:55 ◼   ► I should say, guys, before we get into this, I wanted to comment on the weather app.

00:30:01 ◼   ► I never really addressed the follow up that I got for my weather comments.

00:30:05 ◼   ► I was hoping that was going to just go away quietly.

00:30:07 ◼   ► No, it's not going to go away quietly.

00:30:10 ◼   ► So I appreciate all the people that got in touch with me and shared my thoughts on this.

00:30:17 ◼   ► Someone sent me a picture of a snowy hill in my email.

00:30:21 ◼   ► So a lot of people, basically the main comment was that not everybody lives in Italy and

00:30:27 ◼   ► not everybody can enjoy the warm, generally nice weather that we have here.

00:30:35 ◼   ► I get it.

00:30:37 ◼   ► I guess I have a different perspective on the kind of weather that you gotta expect

00:30:44 ◼   ► outside.

00:30:47 ◼   ► I received a bunch of photos of "hey I live in this part of the world and when I get out

00:30:55 ◼   ► in the morning I don't know whether it's going to rain or to snow or to be hot or cold so I need a

00:31:01 ◼   ► weather app with the forecast on my on my home screen and I need to look at the widget so yeah

00:31:07 ◼   ► people gotta use weather apps and thank you for your comments those were really appreciated I'm

00:31:14 ◼   ► not I'm not being sarcastic it's just that I don't really use weather apps and also I couldn't use

00:31:24 ◼   ► the fancy weather apps that Americans have like Steven with all the the radars and the

00:31:29 ◼   ► animations so but thank you for the for the emails on on the weather do you go outside

00:31:35 ◼   ► have you seen my balcony I have well not in person but you asked me if I got you kind

00:31:43 ◼   ► of always you're kind of always outside of that balcony like yeah it's just that I don't

00:31:47 ◼   ► don't need you know precise statistics to know whether I need to put on as weather as

00:31:53 ◼   ► whether or a t-shirt or a jacket or not. It's just that I can look at the sky. But let's

00:31:59 ◼   ► not get into the topic again. Wallpapers.

00:32:02 ◼   ► Wallpapers, yes. Go Myke.

00:32:05 ◼   ► So I had been using one of the wallpapers that our brand and designer Frank Towers had

00:32:15 ◼   ► put together for us. I was using the analog one. But when I rotated my phone into landscape,

00:32:23 ◼   ► it zoomed in too much and didn't look very good anymore. So I decided to

00:32:27 ◼   ► start looking for a new wallpaper and after some searching I thought to myself

00:32:31 ◼   ► I want something blue like my case. So it's kind of like how they do it on

00:32:38 ◼   ► the C range, the 5C range, right? So you have like the same color background to

00:32:42 ◼   ► the case. So I started looking through and I remembered about that like jaggedy

00:32:46 ◼   ► blue wallpaper which is one of the stock wallpapers and I now use that and I'm

00:32:50 ◼   ► very very happy with it because it's like my phone and my case they're like in partnership

00:32:57 ◼   ► together and like it's magical and it's like I'm looking through my screen and I'm looking

00:33:02 ◼   ► at the back of the case and the case is all like jagged.

00:33:06 ◼   ► That's an integration of hardware and software.

00:33:09 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:33:10 ◼   ► Only Apple can do that.

00:33:14 ◼   ► This is what happens when you control the whole thing.

00:33:18 ◼   ► This is the collaboration between teams.

00:33:21 ◼   ► I like it, Myke, but I dislike how one password and fantastical are underlined by the checkerboard

00:33:27 ◼   ► pattern.

00:33:28 ◼   ► It freaks me out.

00:33:29 ◼   ► Well, I can't...

00:33:30 ◼   ► Oh, now I'm going to have to change it because now I can't ever look at it that way again.

00:33:37 ◼   ► I'm here to help you.

00:33:38 ◼   ► No, that doesn't help me because now I'm going to spend...

00:33:40 ◼   ► Trying to get that right because now I have to get it perfect because I can't see what

00:33:46 ◼   ► it's gonna look like until I already said it and then it might underline another app.

00:33:50 ◼   ► Oh, you've ruined it. You've ruined everything.

00:33:52 ◼   ► Steven Hackett, ladies and gentlemen.

00:33:54 ◼   ► Ruining lives.

00:33:56 ◼   ► Federico.

00:33:57 ◼   ► How much coffee have you had?

00:34:00 ◼   ► Federico uses the default.

00:34:01 ◼   ► Oh my God, you can't zoom it in.

00:34:04 ◼   ► Like a fanboy.

00:34:05 ◼   ► You can't zoom it in.

00:34:08 ◼   ► And...

00:34:08 ◼   ► You gotta turn perspective zoom up.

00:34:10 ◼   ► I have.

00:34:12 ◼   ► It doesn't work.

00:34:14 ◼   ► Well, blame Steven, your friend Steven, your co-founder, to blame.

00:34:18 ◼   ► It took me so long to settle on that one.

00:34:23 ◼   ► You should have known better to go into a business with a guy

00:34:26 ◼   ► that tells you these things about a wallpaper.

00:34:28 ◼   ► Well, now I'm going to have to turn perspective zoom on.

00:34:32 ◼   ► Oh, that's the worst.

00:34:33 ◼   ► But now, at least sometimes it won't be lined up.

00:34:36 ◼   ► You know, when you use the parallax,

00:34:39 ◼   ► the device becomes a single entity in your hand.

00:34:41 ◼   ► What is that voice you're doing?

00:34:43 ◼   ► The voice creeps me out.

00:34:44 ◼   ► - It gives you a real sense of understanding placement

00:34:47 ◼   ► of all of the...

00:34:48 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:34:51 ◼   ► - Federico, why do you use the default iOS 8 wallpaper?

00:34:54 ◼   ► - Because it makes me feel like I'm using a new device

00:34:57 ◼   ► because it looks like the iPhones

00:34:59 ◼   ► that Apple has on the website.

00:35:01 ◼   ► So it reminds me that I have a new iPhone and I'm happy.

00:35:04 ◼   ► I'm totally serious, I'm not joking.

00:35:06 ◼   ► - It is the best default wallpaper

00:35:08 ◼   ► that shipped with iOS in a long time.

00:35:09 ◼   ► - Yeah, it's nice. - Remember how janky the,

00:35:11 ◼   ► Was it the iOS 5 one that had like the water droplets?

00:35:15 ◼   ► - I have six. - Ah, yeah.

00:35:18 ◼   ► - I was five.

00:35:18 ◼   ► Maybe six as well, maybe.

00:35:20 ◼   ► - Six had, yeah, the water.

00:35:24 ◼   ► - What was the one that made it look like

00:35:26 ◼   ► you had a scratched phone?

00:35:28 ◼   ► - That was the original iPad one.

00:35:29 ◼   ► - The original iPad with the stars.

00:35:31 ◼   ► - Oh yeah.

00:35:32 ◼   ► - This one, putting it in the chat room.

00:35:35 ◼   ► - No, seriously, I used the default one

00:35:37 ◼   ► because it gives me the idea that I have a new device and a new OS.

00:35:44 ◼   ► A fresh outlook on life.

00:35:47 ◼   ► Yeah, a fresh start, a new season.

00:35:49 ◼   ► A restored phone.

00:35:51 ◼   ► A restored phone. That kind of feeling.

00:35:54 ◼   ► Steven, people are going to be so upset at you that you didn't clean up the status bars.

00:35:58 ◼   ► I know. Yeah, I know.

00:36:01 ◼   ► So can we talk about Myke's to-do apps yet?

00:36:05 ◼   ► - No, I haven't talked about my wallpaper yet.

00:36:08 ◼   ► - Sorry.

00:36:08 ◼   ► - Because this is a very important,

00:36:09 ◼   ► 'cause here's the thing.

00:36:10 ◼   ► So we do, every week on this week's setup,

00:36:11 ◼   ► we do like setup interviews.

00:36:14 ◼   ► And for the longest time,

00:36:15 ◼   ► we didn't put links to wallpapers.

00:36:17 ◼   ► And every Monday I'd be like,

00:36:18 ◼   ► where'd the wallpaper come from?

00:36:19 ◼   ► Oh, where'd you get that image?

00:36:20 ◼   ► Oh, can you send me that wallpaper?

00:36:21 ◼   ► So now we link to them.

00:36:23 ◼   ► So that's why we're doing this.

00:36:24 ◼   ► - Well, you know which kind of a feedback I get all the time

00:36:27 ◼   ► I post a screenshot of my notification center.

00:36:31 ◼   ► And I talk about an app.

00:36:32 ◼   ► Like today I was talking about Peacock.

00:36:34 ◼   ► And the question that I got on Twitter was,

00:36:38 ◼   ► hey, what's the weather widget?

00:36:39 ◼   ► Like 10 people in five minutes.

00:36:43 ◼   ► - You gotta crop those things.

00:36:45 ◼   ► - Just like blank it all out, like with the pixelation,

00:36:48 ◼   ► everything, just everything,

00:36:49 ◼   ► except the one thing you're talking about.

00:36:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, because people then are gonna think

00:36:53 ◼   ► that they gotta dodge me because they wanna find out

00:36:55 ◼   ► what's behind the pixelation.

00:36:56 ◼   ► - Yeah, but then let them know.

00:36:58 ◼   ► - Whatever, okay.

00:37:02 ◼   ► My co-host is from John Kerry, who's a photographer at 50footshadows.net, from his dust collection,

00:37:08 ◼   ► which is fun.

00:37:10 ◼   ► He actually shot here in Memphis.

00:37:13 ◼   ► And it's one of those dust images.

00:37:14 ◼   ► I like it because it's real blurry and not in focus at all.

00:37:18 ◼   ► I don't like wallpapers that compete with the icons visually.

00:37:22 ◼   ► It's just kind of muted in the background.

00:37:24 ◼   ► Like mine.

00:37:25 ◼   ► I'm surprised you don't have one of those shelved ones.

00:37:27 ◼   ► I thought that you'd be all up for that.

00:37:31 ◼   ► I thought you were going to have a mac pro.

00:37:33 ◼   ► Why would I be up for that?

00:37:34 ◼   ► Yeah, how come you don't have a picture of an old mac?

00:37:36 ◼   ► I don't know if it's one of the two of you today.

00:37:41 ◼   ► People use photos of their kids as wallpaper.

00:37:45 ◼   ► I do for my... stop it.

00:37:47 ◼   ► I do for my lock screen.

00:37:49 ◼   ► My lock screen is my kids.

00:37:51 ◼   ► Yeah, my lock screen is a picture of my girlfriend.

00:37:53 ◼   ► Yeah. What's your lock screen?

00:37:55 ◼   ► My lock screen is the Apple one.

00:37:57 ◼   ► Of course it is.

00:37:59 ◼   ► it is. Stephen are you not concerned that like sometimes you look at your phone

00:38:03 ◼   ► and think there's dust behind the screen? No. Because it's actual dust. Like if you

00:38:08 ◼   ► did get dust there you wouldn't even know. Well how would I get... So the four

00:38:15 ◼   ► apps that we share in common. Slack, GroupMe, Drafts with an asterisk, oh I

00:38:24 ◼   ► know what the asterisk means, and Evernote. Those are the only four third party

00:38:29 ◼   ► apps. So we're not talking about first party apps. We also all share messages. I think

00:38:34 ◼   ► messages is the only first party app we all use.

00:38:37 ◼   ► Where do I find the meaning of the asterisk?

00:38:42 ◼   ► Thanks for exposing my show planning ideas, guys. So the listeners at home, though, the

00:38:49 ◼   ► asterisks that you cannot see mean that I denoted these applications as potentially

00:38:54 ◼   ► worth further discussion.

00:38:56 ◼   ► So I do think it's worth discussing why we all have Slack and GroupMe, because they do

00:39:02 ◼   ► basically the same thing.

00:39:03 ◼   ► Well, I'm going to get rid of GroupMe now.

00:39:05 ◼   ► No, why?

00:39:06 ◼   ► Well, because we're not getting rid of it.

00:39:08 ◼   ► I'm probably going to move it off my home screen.

00:39:10 ◼   ► I use Slack for day job and for relay, talking with everybody.

00:39:18 ◼   ► And I use GroupMe as my brother and some friends.

00:39:22 ◼   ► We all use it because people are on Android and all sorts of crazy things.

00:39:25 ◼   ► We use that as just a group chat over there.

00:39:27 ◼   ► So that's why they're still both on my home screen.

00:39:29 ◼   ► - I'm actually considering putting the game threes

00:39:32 ◼   ► on my home screen.

00:39:33 ◼   ► - That's gonna be bad for you as you.

00:39:35 ◼   ► - I play it all day every day.

00:39:36 ◼   ► - Myke, did you see the-- - Work at home.

00:39:39 ◼   ► - Did you see the screenshots of the upcoming version?

00:39:41 ◼   ► - Yeah, and the Vine videos.

00:39:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, yeah.

00:39:43 ◼   ► - There's too many, so just follow Asher Vollmer

00:39:49 ◼   ► - Asher Voll, yeah.

00:39:51 ◼   ► - On Twitter.

00:39:52 ◼   ► I'll put his link to his...

00:39:54 ◼   ► his account in the show notes.

00:39:57 ◼   ► I use Slack because you guys forced me

00:40:00 ◼   ► to use it.

00:40:03 ◼   ► After I suggested Slack to you. So you kinda set

00:40:07 ◼   ► major embed really because you were the first person

00:40:10 ◼   ► who told me that Slack was so great and then we couldn't use it because

00:40:14 ◼   ► Stephen used it for work which meant we couldn't use it. Before the Mac app had

00:40:20 ◼   ► multi-team support.

00:40:21 ◼   ► Yep. And now now we can now we can do it.

00:40:24 ◼   ► So we use it.

00:40:25 ◼   ► And now Federico is the one that doesn't want to use it.

00:40:27 ◼   ► But it's too late now because we're all using it.

00:40:29 ◼   ► And it's really good for things like relay or for like me at work,

00:40:32 ◼   ► because you can have different channels for different things.

00:40:34 ◼   ► So like we have one just for connected.

00:40:36 ◼   ► You know, we have one that's just about merchandise and like

00:40:39 ◼   ► you can keep them private.

00:40:40 ◼   ► You can make them public like you do all these different things.

00:40:42 ◼   ► Spoilers, bro. Flexibility is good.

00:40:45 ◼   ► Oh, oh, yeah, we're doing merchandise at some point.

00:40:49 ◼   ► probably really soon. So draft is interesting. So we obviously all have it

00:40:57 ◼   ► and I'm interested to know what we all use it for because I'm sure I don't use

00:41:01 ◼   ► it for the same reasons that you guys do. So I currently use drafts as like my

00:41:06 ◼   ► quick note-taking application on the iPhone. So I have things in drafts that

00:41:10 ◼   ► will always be in drafts. So I have things like a list of future guests I

00:41:16 ◼   ► would like to have on inquisitive. I keep it there. But I also put in things

00:41:21 ◼   ► like quick notes, like if I need to remember a restaurant order or something

00:41:25 ◼   ► because I'm about to walk up to order it or something like that. So I have

00:41:30 ◼   ► all kinds of things in there. I don't really use it so much for the "put

00:41:34 ◼   ► something in here, send it to somewhere else".

00:41:37 ◼   ► That's exactly how I use it.

00:41:40 ◼   ► Yeah, that's why I thought it would be interesting, right? I do that sometimes,

00:41:43 ◼   ► sometimes, but that's not my main use of the app.

00:41:47 ◼   ► My main use of the app is it's a super powerful note-taking application, because what I love

00:41:52 ◼   ► is all of the new keyboard things that you can do.

00:41:56 ◼   ► So like the extra row of keys.

00:41:57 ◼   ► >>Bubble text, bubble text.

00:41:58 ◼   ► >>Well, okay, I mean, I don't necessarily need that.

00:42:03 ◼   ► I didn't even know it was possible, so maybe I can add that.

00:42:05 ◼   ► But I have it for like quick access to markdown stuff and things like that.

00:42:11 ◼   ► So I really like it for that.

00:42:13 ◼   ► And it has a really, really sweet dark mode, which makes me very, very happy.

00:42:18 ◼   ► So I like dark modes.

00:42:19 ◼   ► >> Yeah, I use it more as a quick scratch pad for information that I need to save quickly

00:42:25 ◼   ► and then maybe take elsewhere.

00:42:28 ◼   ► Because the kind of note-taking app that you describe, that's Evernote for me, for like

00:42:33 ◼   ► lists or information that I need to store for the future for reference or, you know,

00:42:37 ◼   ► like lists of article ideas from Mac Stories of or maybe links that I want to mention in

00:42:44 ◼   ► our newsletter, Mac Stories Weekly.

00:42:47 ◼   ► I use Drafts for things like I need to save the phone number of a friend that I got a

00:42:57 ◼   ► call or I need to save an address quickly or I need to save a link into Evernote.

00:43:04 ◼   ► And in fact, one of my most used actions in drafts is the append to Evernote action.

00:43:10 ◼   ► Basically I keep a lot of lists in Evernote and drafts is able to append text to the bottom

00:43:18 ◼   ► of an existing note.

00:43:19 ◼   ► So for instance, if I find an interesting link that I want to mention on Mac stories,

00:43:24 ◼   ► I keep a note in my Evernote called "stuff to check out" where I append links of interesting

00:43:31 ◼   ► articles and apps that I want to cover.

00:43:32 ◼   ► Yeah, I should do that because I have like notes and stuff like that and I do keep things like that in Evernote

00:43:38 ◼   ► So that would be really good. I might set stuff like that up

00:43:40 ◼   ► I'm looking forward to when I quit my job and can really dive into

00:43:43 ◼   ► Workflowing Federica. Will you be my like my workflow czar or something?

00:43:49 ◼   ► Yeah, I can be your workflow

00:43:51 ◼   ► Guru. Yes, sir. Okay, we'll go with guru

00:43:54 ◼   ► So you can just have like an hour a day where you just like yeah sure workflow me

00:43:59 ◼   ► But I'll tell you it'll be in Italian.

00:44:02 ◼   ► That's cool. I'll get a workflow for translating it.

00:44:05 ◼   ► Another user case for Evernote that I started enjoying in the past few weeks is

00:44:12 ◼   ► in setting up our new place with my girlfriend.

00:44:16 ◼   ► We have a lot of things to buy still, like furniture or stuff for the kitchen, for the bedroom.

00:44:25 ◼   ► I keep a list in Evernote and every time we think of something that we gotta buy when we go to IKEA for instance,

00:44:32 ◼   ► I can open drafts and I just quickly type out the item and then I

00:44:37 ◼   ► swipe to the left and I tap the Evernote action and it's saved in a shared notebook

00:44:42 ◼   ► that me and my girlfriend we share on Evernote and so we can keep that information around

00:44:48 ◼   ► essentially forever at least until we buy the item and we check it off from Evernote.

00:44:55 ◼   ► So yeah, Drafts is a really nice scratch pattern for me.

00:45:00 ◼   ► - Yep, yeah, I'm in between you guys.

00:45:04 ◼   ► I use it a little bit for the action stuff

00:45:06 ◼   ► and like if someone is like rattling something off

00:45:08 ◼   ► that I need to capture really quickly

00:45:10 ◼   ► and I just have my phone, Drafts is much faster

00:45:12 ◼   ► than Evernote as far as getting started typing.

00:45:15 ◼   ► So it's sort of my go-to, so.

00:45:20 ◼   ► - Yeah, Evernote's really cool.

00:45:21 ◼   ► I use it for a lot of business documents

00:45:23 ◼   ► and I use it mainly for travel stuff and just to store things long term.

00:45:28 ◼   ► I see it as like a cold storage for things, you know?

00:45:31 ◼   ► Like email and stuff like that.

00:45:32 ◼   ► So like if I get a receipt that I need to keep and that sort of stuff, Evan, it's kind

00:45:36 ◼   ► of my place for that.

00:45:37 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:38 ◼   ► It's like a cold storage that you can easily search.

00:45:41 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:45:42 ◼   ► Because in Dropbox you could keep around PDFs or text notes.

00:45:46 ◼   ► I mean everybody does, but search is not great for that.

00:45:49 ◼   ► It's like a finder with cloud features done right, whereas Evernote is like a database

00:45:55 ◼   ► that you can search.

00:45:57 ◼   ► And again, for instance, I've been doing the paperless thing, you know, with all the bills

00:46:05 ◼   ► and the receipts for the furniture that I bought, or I scanned the manual for my air

00:46:14 ◼   ► conditioner and a bunch of other electronics in my house, and I keep everything in Evernote.

00:46:19 ◼   ► So when I need to look up some commands for the air conditioner that I don't understand,

00:46:24 ◼   ► I can just open the Evernote app and it's there.

00:46:27 ◼   ► And I can search and I can have shortcuts, I can do recent searches, it's really useful.

00:46:33 ◼   ► Cool.

00:46:34 ◼   ► Should we take a quick break and then we'll talk about the apps that we have in common

00:46:39 ◼   ► that some of us share?

00:46:41 ◼   ► Sure.

00:46:42 ◼   ► So I want to take a quick moment to thank our friends over at igloo who build an internet

00:46:47 ◼   ► you'll actually like.

00:46:48 ◼   ► If you've ever used something like SharePoint or you work in a company or an organisation

00:46:52 ◼   ► that has some sort of corporate intranet product, you're going to know what it's like to feel

00:46:56 ◼   ► like you're working with something that was built in the 90s.

00:46:59 ◼   ► Because it probably was built in the 90s.

00:47:01 ◼   ► You're going to know just how dull and boring and unengaging an intranet can be.

00:47:06 ◼   ► You're kind of like dragging it along throughout your daily work life and just trying to force

00:47:10 ◼   ► it to do the things that you want.

00:47:11 ◼   ► You can never find the information that you want.

00:47:13 ◼   ► It doesn't do anything to help you try and stay in touch with your colleagues and all

00:47:16 ◼   ► this sort of stuff.

00:47:18 ◼   ► That's where igloo can help you.

00:47:20 ◼   ► That is where igloo is like a shining light in your workplace.

00:47:24 ◼   ► Igloo does so many incredible things and one of my favourite things that igloo allows you

00:47:30 ◼   ► to do is to create and craft a space for you and your work colleagues that looks and feels

00:47:39 ◼   ► like something that fits in your company.

00:47:41 ◼   ► So this is more than just like changing some colours and putting your logo in the top left

00:47:46 ◼   ► hand corner.

00:47:48 ◼   ► What igloo allows you to do is to create an intranet that is like a reflection of your

00:47:52 ◼   ► company.

00:47:53 ◼   ► So this is of course in the look but also in the feel of how you use it on a day to

00:47:58 ◼   ► day basis.

00:47:59 ◼   ► With igloo everything is widget based and it's drag and drop so it's really easy to

00:48:02 ◼   ► build something and you can customise your own pages and stuff like that.

00:48:06 ◼   ► But the things that you can customise it with is where it starts to get really special and

00:48:09 ◼   ► that's igloo's apps that they have.

00:48:11 ◼   ► They give you the flexibility to change the structure and presentation of your internet.

00:48:15 ◼   ► So this can take your internet from what it is currently to just being content driven

00:48:18 ◼   ► and just pushing information out to everyone in the company to somewhere where it feels

00:48:23 ◼   ► alive with activity and conversations.

00:48:26 ◼   ► You can have forums and blog things, you can have micro blogs, there's comments throughout

00:48:34 ◼   ► the whole system, you can @reply people within igloo.

00:48:37 ◼   ► They've basically built interaction methods which are like the ones that we are used to

00:48:42 ◼   ► using on a day-to-day basis in our social internet lives.

00:48:47 ◼   ► And it allows you to basically work with the people in your company the way you're used

00:48:51 ◼   ► to working with them and you can talk to them in the ways that you want to.

00:48:54 ◼   ► But you're able to also like, you're able to customize, you can use HTML, CSS, JavaScript

00:49:00 ◼   ► across different, across the whole of igloo.

00:49:03 ◼   ► You can also make just some of these changes including some of the app stuff just to certain

00:49:07 ◼   ► areas if you want to keep different parts of the business, want to keep their own private

00:49:10 ◼   ► conversations and then have conversations with the wider teams and

00:49:13 ◼   ► stuff like that you can do all of this it is incredible this is just some of

00:49:19 ◼   ► the amazing just a small sliver of the amazing things that you can do with igloo

00:49:23 ◼   ► and if you want to see how flexible it can be go to igloosoftware.com because

00:49:26 ◼   ► they build their entire website on top of the igloo platform igloo is free to use

00:49:31 ◼   ► with up to 10 people there is no reason you shouldn't be trying it out go sign

00:49:35 ◼   ► up right now igloosoftware.com/connected that's where you will be able to

00:49:40 ◼   ► sign up for your free account for use of up to 10 people and if you want to sign

00:49:46 ◼   ► up further you can check them out they're really great pricing.

00:49:48 ◼   ► That's igloosoftware.com/connected. Thank you so much to igloo for their

00:49:52 ◼   ► support of this show and all of Relay FM. There is just one more thing I wanted to

00:49:58 ◼   ► mention we are currently across the network you may have heard it on other

00:50:01 ◼   ► shows we are running some surveys at the moment this is to try and make sure that

00:50:04 ◼   ► we are doing the best we can to find advertisers that you are interested in.

00:50:08 ◼   ► So if you go to podsurvey.com/connected,

00:50:11 ◼   ► if you have filled out a survey for one of the other shows,

00:50:14 ◼   ► you will see that all of this stuff

00:50:15 ◼   ► should be pre-filled for you, which is really nice.

00:50:17 ◼   ► So you can just click submit again.

00:50:19 ◼   ► It's basically, we just wanna know some basic information

00:50:21 ◼   ► that enables us to try and display some stuff

00:50:24 ◼   ► to our advertisers about demographics and that sort of stuff.

00:50:27 ◼   ► You know, the average types of things

00:50:28 ◼   ► that people need to go out to more advertisers.

00:50:32 ◼   ► And also we wanna understand the types of things

00:50:35 ◼   ► that you want to know and what you like

00:50:38 ◼   ► and what you want us to be interested in as well

00:50:40 ◼   ► so we can bring you the best products and services around.

00:50:44 ◼   ► Also, if anybody that enters the survey

00:50:46 ◼   ► will be entered into a draw for a $100 Amazon gift card,

00:50:50 ◼   ► we will not use your email address

00:50:52 ◼   ► for anything other than telling you

00:50:54 ◼   ► you're aware of the gift card if you are picked at random.

00:50:57 ◼   ► So go to podsurvey.com/connected, fill that out,

00:51:00 ◼   ► and we will be your best friends forever.

00:51:04 ◼   ► So the next list, I'm going to read through them all and then we'll kind of pick a few

00:51:08 ◼   ► to talk about, are apps that two out of the three of us share.

00:51:12 ◼   ► So we have, and most of these shouldn't be a surprise, Fantastical, Overcast, Day One,

00:51:18 ◼   ► 1Password, Instapaper, Dropbox, OmniFocus, Unread, Beats Audio, you can guess which one

00:51:24 ◼   ► of us doesn't have that, Editorial, and Tweetbot.

00:51:29 ◼   ► The one that comes out to me is 1Password.

00:51:31 ◼   ► Federico why is that not on your home screen anymore?

00:51:35 ◼   ► 'Cause it's-- - Yeah, because I,

00:51:37 ◼   ► a lot of apps are using the extension now.

00:51:40 ◼   ► And if I need to copy a password,

00:51:43 ◼   ► I use Spotlight a lot on iOS to find apps

00:51:48 ◼   ► and one password I just need to type one in the search box

00:51:52 ◼   ► and I launch it.

00:51:53 ◼   ► So I feel like, because I'm not constantly switching

00:51:58 ◼   ► the 1Password app, I can keep it in a folder, which is called "work".

00:52:05 ◼   ► So Stephen, this raises a question that I have for you in this same instance.

00:52:09 ◼   ► Why do you use it if it's integrated into Safari and you use Safari?

00:52:14 ◼   ► Because not everything that I have in 1Password is helpful in Safari.

00:52:21 ◼   ► So I have a lot of things in 1Password that are not just logins.

00:52:27 ◼   ► And I'm not always using that information on my phone.

00:52:33 ◼   ► So I might be at another computer and need to log into Dropbox or doing something where

00:52:37 ◼   ► it's just handy to have.

00:52:40 ◼   ► Skipping ahead a little bit, but the top four, so maps, time zones, day one and one password,

00:52:46 ◼   ► those were promoted to my home screen when I got my iPhone 6.

00:52:50 ◼   ► And so these apps are all on secondary pages and one password out of the four probably

00:52:56 ◼   ► has the weakest argument for being on the home screen anymore but it is handy to have

00:53:01 ◼   ► nearby for things like wireless passwords and you know various pin numbers and things

00:53:08 ◼   ► like that that I store in there so anyways does that answer the question a little bit?

00:53:14 ◼   ► Yeah I mean obviously I use it because I don't use Safari so.

00:53:18 ◼   ► Which is crazy.

00:53:19 ◼   ► Nope it's not crazy when you use Chrome all the time on your desktop.

00:53:22 ◼   ► You're still using Chrome?

00:53:23 ◼   ► Yep.

00:53:24 ◼   ► Can I ask you why?

00:53:26 ◼   ► Seriously, then I'm not again trolling or anything. I'm curious. Okay, because I used to use Chrome

00:53:34 ◼   ► So I'm really curious

00:53:36 ◼   ► One massive reason at the moment is I have Chrome on my Windows PC at work

00:53:43 ◼   ► So I like to be able to use one browser where I can share the history

00:53:48 ◼   ► So it still makes me to use Chrome. I

00:53:52 ◼   ► I have not tried Google Drive in Safari for Yosemite.

00:53:57 ◼   ► I understand that it's old.

00:53:58 ◼   ► People tell me it's better.

00:53:59 ◼   ► Nobody tells--

00:54:00 ◼   ► It's fine.

00:54:01 ◼   ► It's fine.

00:54:01 ◼   ► Fine, OK.

00:54:02 ◼   ► So I find my experience to be perfectly acceptable

00:54:06 ◼   ► and works really great in Chrome.

00:54:08 ◼   ► Everyone just tells me it's fine, which suggests to me

00:54:11 ◼   ► that maybe it's not--

00:54:12 ◼   ► No, it works.

00:54:13 ◼   ► Like, it works or it doesn't.

00:54:14 ◼   ► It didn't work in Mavericks.

00:54:15 ◼   ► It works in Yosemite.

00:54:17 ◼   ► Federico's like, it's OK.

00:54:18 ◼   ► It's fine.

00:54:19 ◼   ► There's nothing exceptional about it.

00:54:21 ◼   ► It just works much better than pages.

00:54:25 ◼   ► Bam!

00:54:26 ◼   ► I was wondering why unread?

00:54:33 ◼   ► So which one of us doesn't have that?

00:54:35 ◼   ► No, hold on.

00:54:36 ◼   ► I had, I'm sorry, Stephen.

00:54:38 ◼   ► One last question.

00:54:39 ◼   ► Myke, do you think that when you go full indie and you will start using Safari on your Mac

00:54:45 ◼   ► because you don't have to use a Windows PC anymore, do you think that you can switch

00:54:49 ◼   ► to Safari instead of Chrome?

00:54:51 ◼   ► Probably not. I don't really know why I would.

00:54:53 ◼   ► Like I actually think that well one big reason I think I personally feel that

00:54:58 ◼   ► Chrome looks better than Safari does in Yosemite

00:55:01 ◼   ► Transparency. Mm-hmm, and I don't like that everything is all in one bar

00:55:07 ◼   ► I like to have my my big bar and then the the tabs because I'm used to it. I'm being I'm being

00:55:13 ◼   ► Grumpy and old and and I this is just how I like it

00:55:17 ◼   ► And I just like Chrome.

00:55:18 ◼   ► - That's my gig, come on.

00:55:19 ◼   ► - And I also like to not have to install too many plugins.

00:55:22 ◼   ► I don't have Flash on my machine.

00:55:24 ◼   ► I don't ever want to put Flash on my machine.

00:55:26 ◼   ► Obviously I'm always playing Flash games.

00:55:28 ◼   ► I'm not, I don't really know why I brought that up

00:55:30 ◼   ► as a point.

00:55:31 ◼   ► I think Chrome is really fast and snappy.

00:55:36 ◼   ► I like it, I don't really.

00:55:38 ◼   ► - Okay, okay.

00:55:39 ◼   ► Good answer, thank you.

00:55:40 ◼   ► - I don't have a reason to switch to Safari.

00:55:42 ◼   ► So I'm just gonna keep using Chrome.

00:55:45 ◼   ► You don't have like an incentive to start using Safari.

00:55:49 ◼   ► - Yeah, 'cause the only extension

00:55:52 ◼   ► that I would really want to use is 1Password.

00:55:56 ◼   ► But I mean, okay, shock horror everybody.

00:56:00 ◼   ► I use Chrome to also store my passwords

00:56:03 ◼   ► so they sync across devices.

00:56:04 ◼   ► Okay, I know it's horrible, isn't it?

00:56:06 ◼   ► Isn't it disgusting?

00:56:08 ◼   ► - That's so bad. - Isn't it true

00:56:09 ◼   ► there's plain text?

00:56:09 ◼   ► - I love the sarcasm in Myke's tone.

00:56:13 ◼   ► - Yeah, of course it does, Stephen,

00:56:14 ◼   ► but I also don't care, like, you know, it's just whatever.

00:56:18 ◼   ► Like whatever. - No, no, I get it, yeah.

00:56:20 ◼   ► - You know, if you're gonna get to my Mac,

00:56:22 ◼   ► you've gotta know my password to unlock my Mac

00:56:24 ◼   ► to get to my Chrome plaintext passwords.

00:56:27 ◼   ► - Spoiler alert, it's, I don't know what it is.

00:56:30 ◼   ► - Steven is a bully.

00:56:32 ◼   ► - Long live the queen.

00:56:33 ◼   ► - That's not a password.

00:56:35 ◼   ► - So Steven, unread. - Yeah, unread,

00:56:38 ◼   ► which is really a question about why are you using DigReader

00:56:41 ◼   ► instead of a regular RSS?

00:56:42 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's more my question.

00:56:44 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:56:45 ◼   ► - Okay, so basically I'm going through that phase, you know?

00:56:50 ◼   ► - That old boys go through.

00:56:54 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know which RSO service

00:56:59 ◼   ► I want to use anymore.

00:57:01 ◼   ► - Dig is never the right answer.

00:57:02 ◼   ► - What difference does it make?

00:57:03 ◼   ► - No, no, no, really, no, no, don't make fun of it.

00:57:05 ◼   ► It's a really solid service, guys.

00:57:08 ◼   ► I talked about this on Mac service a couple of times.

00:57:11 ◼   ► It's actually a really nice app.

00:57:13 ◼   ► and there are some really nice ideas in the front page of Dig.

00:57:17 ◼   ► It's not the same Dig anymore.

00:57:20 ◼   ► Like now it's a better works company

00:57:23 ◼   ► and they have a team of people every day,

00:57:25 ◼   ► they feature interesting stories and links

00:57:28 ◼   ► and they don't do anything shady

00:57:30 ◼   ► like they link to the original source.

00:57:34 ◼   ► They, you know, it's an editorial team

00:57:37 ◼   ► that picks the best articles from around the web.

00:57:40 ◼   ► So on the front page of Dig,

00:57:41 ◼   ► I discover a lot of great stuff every day.

00:57:45 ◼   ► They have a video section where it's like...

00:57:50 ◼   ► What's the name of that website that highlights all YouTube videos?

00:57:54 ◼   ► Devour.

00:57:55 ◼   ► I love Devour.

00:57:57 ◼   ► Yes.

00:57:58 ◼   ► So it's like that.

00:58:03 ◼   ► They highlight all this cool, interesting stuff.

00:58:07 ◼   ► And it also works as an RSS app.

00:58:10 ◼   ► It was ready for iOS 8 before many many other RSS clients.

00:58:18 ◼   ► So it had support for the share sheets and you could use extensions.

00:58:25 ◼   ► It has all the basic RSS features that I want.

00:58:27 ◼   ► And it's really nice.

00:58:30 ◼   ► You can sync your reading position across the iPhone and the iPad.

00:58:35 ◼   ► And it was a nice surprise for me.

00:58:38 ◼   ► But also I've been, you know, I used to rely on Fitt Wrangler every day and I love it.

00:58:48 ◼   ► It's a really nice RSS service from the underscore that we know and love.

00:58:55 ◼   ► But I've also been keeping an eye on Fiddly because I think it was last year I bought

00:59:01 ◼   ► a lifetime Fiddly Pro subscription when they were on sale.

00:59:07 ◼   ► So that basically grants me access to 3D Pro forever, as long as I'm on this planet, I

00:59:13 ◼   ► think.

00:59:14 ◼   ► So I can try all the Pro and early features, and in the past week they did a couple of

00:59:22 ◼   ► things that I like.

00:59:24 ◼   ► They shipped a new search feature that lets you search for any keyword, and you can use

00:59:32 ◼   ► operators for advanced search too, and you can look in your feed.ly, so you can look

00:59:37 ◼   ► into your subscriptions or you can look beyond your Fidli, you can look in any website. And

00:59:44 ◼   ► they also stopped using the Fidli URL shortener. So now articles that you share on Fidli take

00:59:51 ◼   ► you directly to the source page. So basically I've been trying all these RSS

00:59:55 ◼   ► apps. I still have Dig on my home screen because I think a lot of people make fun of Dig but

01:00:00 ◼   ► actually they do some really nice things. But I'm also curious to try Fidli because

01:00:05 ◼   ► there's a bunch of apps that I would like to try. There's, I think, an app that Myke

01:00:11 ◼   ► mentioned, Fiery Feeds. Is it possible?

01:00:16 ◼   ► >> That has to do with me.

01:00:18 ◼   ► >> No, you mentioned Reconnaissance.

01:00:20 ◼   ► >> Yeah, Reconnaissance.

01:00:21 ◼   ► >> Which is feed wrangler only, right?

01:00:23 ◼   ► >> Yeah.

01:00:24 ◼   ► >> So there's this other one that supports feed delay and it does a bunch of iOS 8 things

01:00:28 ◼   ► that I want to try. Also, the feed delay app has been updated this week with a bunch of

01:00:33 ◼   ► improvements and iOS 8 support. And finally, I like it because they're huge. They have

01:00:39 ◼   ► a lot of users. They're doing interesting partnerships like with Evernote and Dropbox.

01:00:45 ◼   ► And they actually have a business model, which is to charge people for advanced features,

01:00:51 ◼   ► which I like. I want to try them all. I don't want to have any preconceptions about RSS.

01:01:02 ◼   ► Twitter clients.

01:01:03 ◼   ► Oh yeah, we're going to skip over the fact that you're the only one with the Twitter

01:01:07 ◼   ► app on your home screen.

01:01:08 ◼   ► No, I don't want to skip over that.

01:01:10 ◼   ► We've covered that really well.

01:01:11 ◼   ► Come on, we've talked about this.

01:01:12 ◼   ► No, you're back again.

01:01:13 ◼   ► You said you were going to Tweetbot.

01:01:14 ◼   ► You're back on the Twitter app again.

01:01:16 ◼   ► Yep.

01:01:17 ◼   ► It's like drugs.

01:01:18 ◼   ► In fact, okay, so let me tell you.

01:01:20 ◼   ► It's like drugs.

01:01:22 ◼   ► I'm working on this article from Mac Stories about my experience with Twitter clients in

01:01:28 ◼   ► in 2014, I've been taking a look at Twitter, Tweetbot and Twitterific again, and I don't

01:01:37 ◼   ► know when it will be ready, but it's something that I want to officially cover on the website,

01:01:43 ◼   ► because I feel like I've been talking about Twitter clients in the Tweetbot review, in

01:01:48 ◼   ► the Unconnected, in the newsletter, and now I want to kind of put it all together and

01:01:56 ◼   ► make it a nice article.

01:01:58 ◼   ► Lovely.

01:01:59 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:02:00 ◼   ► So let's dive further into the world of Federico Vittucci's home screen.

01:02:07 ◼   ► Why ridiculous?

01:02:08 ◼   ► There's some crazy stuff on here.

01:02:10 ◼   ► What's crazy about it?

01:02:11 ◼   ► Come on.

01:02:12 ◼   ► Okay, so let's just go through it.

01:02:14 ◼   ► Let's just read the list of apps that only you have.

01:02:16 ◼   ► Okay.

01:02:17 ◼   ► Peacock, Next, Pinterest, Pinner, Nuzzle, Dig, Todoist, Sunrise, Dispatch, Quip, Clips,

01:02:24 ◼   ► and Twitter.

01:02:25 ◼   ► I like about Federico's list, compared to mine and your lists, is I think that

01:02:30 ◼   ► there are more apps on Federico's list that either nobody's heard of or a few

01:02:34 ◼   ► people have heard of and that's not a bad thing. I think what that shows is

01:02:37 ◼   ► Federico is really in tune with the app world as we kind of expect but it's just

01:02:41 ◼   ► interesting to me. Like Next, I mean people are talking about nozzle but it

01:02:46 ◼   ► just sounds funny. You don't know what Next is? I've seen it.

01:02:53 ◼   ► the Apple bottom in the late nine. No, not that one, Stephen. It's an expense tracker for iOS made by

01:03:00 ◼   ► a lovely indie development studio based in Switzerland, I think, called NoIdentity.

01:03:09 ◼   ► And they make fine apps such as Next, ListBook, and another iPhone app called Yearly, I think.

01:03:17 ◼   ► great guys. Next is just the kind of expense tracker that I want because it's got fast input,

01:03:24 ◼   ► it's got a great UI. My only problem is that I'm having the iCloud bug in iOS 8.1 and none of my

01:03:34 ◼   ► iCloud apps are syncing. So I cannot use Next for now. That's a bummer. But I will keep using it as

01:03:43 ◼   ► as soon as Apple fixes the problem.

01:03:47 ◼   ► What about, I've heard people talking on Twitter about the oldest thing, the oldest person

01:03:52 ◼   ► they've ever said.

01:03:53 ◼   ► I saw the kids talking about Nuzzle.

01:03:56 ◼   ► What's special about Nuzzle to you?

01:04:00 ◼   ► It's basically this news reader that kind of collects links that people share on Twitter

01:04:10 ◼   ► for the past two hours or eight hours or 24 hours.

01:04:15 ◼   ► So if you've been absent from Twitter

01:04:19 ◼   ► and you just wanna know what people have been talking about,

01:04:21 ◼   ► and this app collects all the links

01:04:25 ◼   ► that have been shared the most by the people you follow,

01:04:29 ◼   ► and it lets you see, for the past day,

01:04:31 ◼   ► here's what people have been sharing,

01:04:33 ◼   ► is the article that everybody's been talking about.

01:04:35 ◼   ► - Personal tech meme.

01:04:37 ◼   ► - Yeah, basically, yes.

01:04:39 ◼   ► And it's nice because it lets you have filters.

01:04:42 ◼   ► So you can say, "Hey, I want to know for the past two days,

01:04:48 ◼   ► for the past day, or for the past eight hours."

01:04:50 ◼   ► So if you just wake up in the morning

01:04:51 ◼   ► and you wanna know what people have been sharing overnight,

01:04:54 ◼   ► if it's not football or baseball stuff

01:04:57 ◼   ► or Game of Thrones spoilers,

01:04:59 ◼   ► you can find links in Nozzle.

01:05:01 ◼   ► It's really nice.

01:05:02 ◼   ► - I have Nozzle downloaded to try 'cause I saw you,

01:05:06 ◼   ► I know that you've been speaking highly about it.

01:05:08 ◼   ► And I also saw that Jason wrote a big post about it as well, and I respect both of your opinions.

01:05:12 ◼   ► So, and the way you've explained it there, because I haven't really bothered looking into it too much,

01:05:17 ◼   ► but that sounds really cool.

01:05:18 ◼   ► Like just the ability to like, just jump in and be like, what are people talking about?

01:05:21 ◼   ► Yeah, it was a, it was really nice for me because, um, when I was on vacation, and, um, at the end of

01:05:27 ◼   ► which day I could just open nozzle and say, I want to know what people have been talking about today.

01:05:32 ◼   ► So I have a rough idea of what's going on on Twitter.

01:05:34 ◼   ► And so I don't have to scroll my timeline to see all the tweets.

01:05:38 ◼   ► I can just look at the nozzle and I don't know if like there's been a big app or

01:05:42 ◼   ► game announcement. I can use an asshole to discover it.

01:05:45 ◼   ► Uh, I also like that the logo is a hedgehog and I liked that it's called nozzle.

01:05:51 ◼   ► I saw that's super cute because, because the guy,

01:05:56 ◼   ► because the guy digs through all the links. Yeah. So as you can see,

01:06:00 ◼   ► there's a nozzle, uh, alongside dig. Wow.

01:06:04 ◼   ► It's the cutest little thing.

01:06:07 ◼   ► The last one I wanted to ask you about Federico was Quip.

01:06:10 ◼   ► Oh, Steven, you're going to learn about Quip soon, my friend.

01:06:14 ◼   ► So Federico, you tell him.

01:06:16 ◼   ► Yeah, Steven, see, Quip is the thing that you will start using soon instead of Google

01:06:21 ◼   ► Drive.

01:06:22 ◼   ► Right, me personally?

01:06:23 ◼   ► Yes.

01:06:24 ◼   ► We'll see about that.

01:06:25 ◼   ► Maybe, maybe.

01:06:26 ◼   ► I still haven't made my mind up yet.

01:06:27 ◼   ► Myke needs to decide.

01:06:28 ◼   ► It's up to you.

01:06:29 ◼   ► Well...

01:06:30 ◼   ► It's up to Myke.

01:06:31 ◼   ► So basically, me and Federico are using it for virtual.

01:06:33 ◼   ► So if I decide that I also want to use it for connected, then you'll be out-voted and

01:06:40 ◼   ► you can write your own document and then we'll have our document.

01:06:43 ◼   ► That's basically how it works.

01:06:44 ◼   ► I'm not a real AFM.

01:06:47 ◼   ► I always want to say that.

01:06:48 ◼   ► So it's online documents.

01:06:52 ◼   ► Documents editing.

01:06:53 ◼   ► I could look it up I guess, but that's a lot of work.

01:06:54 ◼   ► It's a collaborative document.

01:07:01 ◼   ► It's kinda like Google Drive but it's different in that in a document you can have, you can

01:07:07 ◼   ► put any kind of information you want, like besides the usual links and lists you can

01:07:14 ◼   ► do spreadsheets with advanced formulas and all the stuff that you normally get in a dedicated

01:07:21 ◼   ► spreadsheet app, only it's done right into the same document.

01:07:26 ◼   ► And it's got all these notifications, features that basically tell you when people have opened

01:07:34 ◼   ► the document that you're collaborating with.

01:07:39 ◼   ► Each document has a separate chat so you can send messages to people.

01:07:44 ◼   ► And it also has a revision history that it keeps along with the chat, which is really

01:07:47 ◼   ► interesting.

01:07:48 ◼   ► So you can see what edits people are making.

01:07:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:07:51 ◼   ► see what device people are using to make edits. It's got this clean desktop view

01:08:00 ◼   ► that lets you organize documents in folders and you can have subfolders, you

01:08:04 ◼   ► can pin specific documents to the desktop. So for instance with

01:08:09 ◼   ► Max Stories, we have a Max Stories docs folder and inside there's a Max Stories

01:08:15 ◼   ► weekly folder with all the documents that we use to organize like the

01:08:19 ◼   ► Mac Stories favorite or the Mac Stories collections and the Mac Stories

01:08:23 ◼   ► collections document is pinned back on the desktop so when I open Quip I can

01:08:27 ◼   ► just tap on the document and open it and every week when we decide which

01:08:32 ◼   ► apps to feature on the newsletter we can discuss in the Quip document with

01:08:37 ◼   ► my teammates the kind of apps that we want to cover and we have a spreadsheet

01:08:42 ◼   ► sheet right into the same document with a list of apps organizing columns and rows for

01:08:51 ◼   ► different app types. It's really nice. It's got great support for rich text, so even when you

01:08:58 ◼   ► copy something that has formatting, like huge errors or other sorts of weird colors or block

01:09:06 ◼   ► Quip tends to normalize RichText so it keeps the links, the basic formatting, but it removes all the weird craft, like junk that RichText usually comes with.

01:09:23 ◼   ► it and it's really nice, works on the iPhone, on the iPad, it works on the web, it's an

01:09:31 ◼   ► excellent web app and they also have a business model for businesses.

01:09:39 ◼   ► They charge you for team management features and stuff like that.

01:09:47 ◼   ► good company. When you sign up for a Quip business, they actually share a document with

01:09:54 ◼   ► you, and they talk to you in the chat, and they ask you for feedback, and you can put

01:09:59 ◼   ► the feedback in the document that you share with the Quip team.

01:10:03 ◼   ► It's cool.

01:10:04 ◼   ► It is good. It's good. It's just got some weirdness to it. But everything has weirdness

01:10:11 ◼   ► to it. But yeah. Should we go through my list?

01:10:15 ◼   ► Yeah, I wanted to talk about

01:10:17 ◼   ► Wunderlist

01:10:19 ◼   ► It affects me too. It's just not on my home screen. Okay, so let's talk about so the apps that I have on

01:10:25 ◼   ► Just on my phone are foursquare. This is on my home screen of course Wunderlist

01:10:30 ◼   ► Silo, clear, due, Google Maps, launch center pro,

01:10:35 ◼   ► whatsapp

01:10:36 ◼   ► Chrome and Instagram

01:10:38 ◼   ► All my home screen that are not on

01:10:41 ◼   ► either of these guys. So what would you like to quiz me on if anything?

01:10:45 ◼   ► A) you have...

01:10:48 ◼   ► Let's just count them. Yeah, so Federico, this is where you can ask me the question you've been dying to ask me.

01:10:52 ◼   ► One, two, three,

01:10:54 ◼   ► four,

01:10:56 ◼   ► five to-do apps on your home screen. Okay, so

01:10:58 ◼   ► Wunderlist. That's one question, why five? Right, so Wunderlist,

01:11:02 ◼   ► me and Steven use it to track tasks for Relay. However, we don't use it as much anymore

01:11:08 ◼   ► So I'm thinking about moving it off the home screen.

01:11:11 ◼   ► So I am actually going to do that after today's episode is over,

01:11:15 ◼   ► but I don't know what I'm going to replace it with.

01:11:16 ◼   ► So Silo is a great shared to-do app

01:11:23 ◼   ► that me and my girlfriend keep lists together in

01:11:26 ◼   ► of places we want to go, places we want to eat,

01:11:28 ◼   ► movies we want to watch, that kind of thing.

01:11:30 ◼   ► So I like that.

01:11:31 ◼   ► Clear is where I keep my own little lists and to-do lists and things

01:11:36 ◼   ► just because I like the interaction of Clear. I wish Clear had

01:11:41 ◼   ► shared to-do lists because then that's what people I use. Dew I use for alarms and

01:11:46 ◼   ► reminders. What I like about Dew is it is persistent. It will not stop until you

01:11:53 ◼   ► tell it to stop. And OmniFocus is where I keep all of my tasks.

01:11:58 ◼   ► Except for the ones that are in all those other...

01:12:00 ◼   ► Yeah but they're not tasks in those because I can't share with you, so in OmniFocus

01:12:05 ◼   ► Otherwise it would all be in there.

01:12:07 ◼   ► And I don't like to create shopping lists in OmniFocus.

01:12:11 ◼   ► And so there you go.

01:12:13 ◼   ► Otherwise it would all be in OmniFocus.

01:12:15 ◼   ► So my second question was about Wonderlist.

01:12:18 ◼   ► Because I've been trying Todoist.

01:12:21 ◼   ► I've been trying Wonderlist and I'm using Todoist now because it's got all these advanced

01:12:27 ◼   ► features like I can use natural language commands to add dates.

01:12:34 ◼   ► and it's quite capable at natural language support.

01:12:38 ◼   ► It's got filters and it's got all these, you know, you can set up collaboration with other

01:12:43 ◼   ► people and then you can, there's a syntax for filtering down specific tasks and projects

01:12:50 ◼   ► and it's really nice.

01:12:53 ◼   ► But I've been, I kinda wanna try Wonderlist again because it's got support for the iPhone

01:12:58 ◼   ► which Todoist still doesn't have and it's got an extension to save tasks from anywhere

01:13:04 ◼   ► So I wanted to ask you if you've been using the Wanderlist extension at all from other apps to save tasks quickly. No

01:13:11 ◼   ► Okay, sorry. Nope

01:13:14 ◼   ► Nope, nope

01:13:16 ◼   ► But just me and Steven tried a few things in the planning of Relay

01:13:19 ◼   ► And Wanderlist was the only one that we could both agree on basically

01:13:24 ◼   ► Steven wanted to use remember the milk. I shot myself in the head

01:13:27 ◼   ► And then, what did I want to use that you weren't happy with?

01:13:33 ◼   ► Oh hey, Simon, where's the cow icon?

01:13:36 ◼   ► Where is little?

01:13:38 ◼   ► I don't remember the milk.

01:13:40 ◼   ► Y'all troll me, I used to remember the milk successfully for years.

01:13:43 ◼   ► Well...

01:13:44 ◼   ► It's still pretty good.

01:13:46 ◼   ► So, Google Maps is a self-explanatory launch center.

01:13:50 ◼   ► So it's interesting that it's not on Federico's homepage, but it is on yours.

01:13:54 ◼   ► I use Launch Center for a couple of key actions,

01:13:58 ◼   ► but so much so that having one app

01:14:00 ◼   ► that does all these things makes me happy.

01:14:02 ◼   ► I use it to access my Starbucks card

01:14:04 ◼   ► if I ever go to Starbucks.

01:14:06 ◼   ► I use it to--

01:14:08 ◼   ► - Starbucks.

01:14:08 ◼   ► - Hey. - Sorry.

01:14:10 ◼   ► - Hey. - Sorry.

01:14:11 ◼   ► - Hey.

01:14:12 ◼   ► In seven days time, I will be brewing my own coffee at home,

01:14:15 ◼   ► and then in a couple of months time,

01:14:17 ◼   ► I'll be grinding my own beans, so.

01:14:19 ◼   ► - Whoa.

01:14:20 ◼   ► Whoa.

01:14:22 ◼   ► Nice.

01:14:24 ◼   ► I use it to grab GIFs using the Giphy search.

01:14:28 ◼   ► I use it to send canned text messages.

01:14:32 ◼   ► And I use it to access all of my frequently used

01:14:35 ◼   ► Google Drive documents.

01:14:36 ◼   ► That is my key use for launch center.

01:14:38 ◼   ► - I have it for that, but it's in a folder

01:14:40 ◼   ► on my second screen now.

01:14:41 ◼   ► - So I have a Google Drive document thing, like a folder,

01:14:44 ◼   ► so I hold down, I have all of the show documents

01:14:47 ◼   ► that we have, the running documents for the shows.

01:14:48 ◼   ► I have an open Google Drive command.

01:14:50 ◼   ► Then I have our sponsorship calendar

01:14:52 ◼   ► and our sponsor read folder.

01:14:53 ◼   ► I have all of those just with their own little shortcuts.

01:14:56 ◼   ► That is my main use of Launch Center Pro,

01:14:58 ◼   ► is using the Google Drive Actions.

01:15:02 ◼   ► So I only have two that are unique to me,

01:15:07 ◼   ► which I found really interesting as we did this,

01:15:09 ◼   ► that I'm much closer to-- I thought

01:15:12 ◼   ► I was going to be closer to Myke,

01:15:14 ◼   ► but Federico is so far in left field

01:15:16 ◼   ► that I don't think it's easy to compare us.

01:15:18 ◼   ► I just don't know what it says about you,

01:15:21 ◼   ► that you're closer to us than me and Federico are to each other.

01:15:25 ◼   ► If that makes sense.

01:15:26 ◼   ► You are the closest to all of us.

01:15:28 ◼   ► You sit in the middle.

01:15:29 ◼   ► No, no.

01:15:29 ◼   ► That's the continuum of our relationship,

01:15:31 ◼   ► that you two are on the end, and I'm usually in the middle.

01:15:34 ◼   ► Right?

01:15:35 ◼   ► Is that how it normally works?

01:15:36 ◼   ► Unless we're talking about how dumb iOS is, and then--

01:15:41 ◼   ► Anyways, so I love Perfect Weather.

01:15:43 ◼   ► I wish they would get around to doing an iPhone 6 version here

01:15:46 ◼   ► pretty soon.

01:15:47 ◼   ► But really nice weather app, really beautiful.

01:15:50 ◼   ► And I use time zones, which I'm shocked is not on your home screen, since A, you basically

01:15:55 ◼   ► invented the app with Jared and you deal with time zones more than anyone I know.

01:16:00 ◼   ► I have it in my notification center.

01:16:01 ◼   ► Oh, interesting.

01:16:02 ◼   ► I have it on my Today View.

01:16:05 ◼   ► Gotcha.

01:16:06 ◼   ► So you just flip the thing down.

01:16:08 ◼   ► Yep, I see it.

01:16:10 ◼   ► And then if I need to know any more information, I just tap it and it opens the app.

01:16:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I have one widget in Today.

01:16:15 ◼   ► I've really not fallen in love with that.

01:16:18 ◼   ► Can I say what widgets I have in my today view?

01:16:21 ◼   ► That's a totally different show.

01:16:22 ◼   ► But it sounds like five.

01:16:25 ◼   ► But then Federer goes to say all 18 of his.

01:16:28 ◼   ► We have to compare again.

01:16:30 ◼   ► That'll be follow up.

01:16:31 ◼   ► We're already long.

01:16:32 ◼   ► That'll be follow up.

01:16:33 ◼   ► I would like to point out real quickly that you guys didn't even take the time to clean

01:16:36 ◼   ► up your status bars.

01:16:37 ◼   ► Stop it.

01:16:38 ◼   ► No, it wasn't me.

01:16:40 ◼   ► I just sent an image to Steven.

01:16:42 ◼   ► He should have been his.

01:16:43 ◼   ► Just look at my screenshots, look at mine, and look at yours.

01:16:45 ◼   ► Yeah, I know.

01:16:46 ◼   ► I'm just saying.

01:16:47 ◼   ► I know, you took the time.

01:16:49 ◼   ► I'll put myself on, we'll put ourselves on the screenshot patrol.

01:16:52 ◼   ► Actually, hang on a minute.

01:16:54 ◼   ► Hang on a minute.

01:16:55 ◼   ► You didn't even send that image.

01:16:56 ◼   ► Yeah, we had to steal it out of your email.

01:16:57 ◼   ► I had to go through my email archive to find the Max Stories email to copy and paste that

01:17:04 ◼   ► because you didn't send it.

01:17:05 ◼   ► Because you were too busy doing whatever it is you do and not looking at your notes.

01:17:11 ◼   ► Which I still don't completely understand because you sent us a message in Slack saying

01:17:14 ◼   ► I'm out, I can't send you a screenshot.

01:17:16 ◼   ► Was it because you wanted to clean it up?

01:17:19 ◼   ► Yeah it was.

01:17:21 ◼   ► Or maybe it was because you just restored your phone and you had just the official Twitter

01:17:25 ◼   ► app.

01:17:26 ◼   ► I think it was both because my home screen is a mess right now and because I couldn't

01:17:30 ◼   ► clean it up.

01:17:32 ◼   ► But yeah I always clean up my status bars.

01:17:35 ◼   ► There are a couple of questions that we should deal with.

01:17:38 ◼   ► They've been talking in the chat room that Federico you have the podcast app, the Apple

01:17:43 ◼   ► podcast app on your home screen.

01:17:46 ◼   ► Because Marco, wow, fanboy, really?

01:17:50 ◼   ► You're using Apple, Apple supplies.

01:17:53 ◼   ► Hey, well clearly I'm a Marco fanboy, so you know, either or I suppose.

01:17:57 ◼   ► No, just because I really want Marco to make an iPad app.

01:18:01 ◼   ► And because I'm fine, because basically there's a little back story here.

01:18:07 ◼   ► I don't have a data plan on my iPhone right now because I'm switching to a new phone number.

01:18:14 ◼   ► number and I'm waiting for my new sim to be activated by my carrier.

01:18:20 ◼   ► So I don't have a...

01:18:23 ◼   ► I cannot call people right now.

01:18:25 ◼   ► I cannot send text messages.

01:18:26 ◼   ► I cannot go on the web.

01:18:28 ◼   ► I need to use my iPad for everything.

01:18:30 ◼   ► And I'm using personal hotspot.

01:18:33 ◼   ► And there's been an issue with my carrier because my sim for some reason is still not

01:18:36 ◼   ► active after two weeks.

01:18:38 ◼   ► Two weeks?

01:18:39 ◼   ► Yeah, that's weird.

01:18:42 ◼   ► you should get that dealt with.

01:18:44 ◼   ► - Yeah, I know.

01:18:45 ◼   ► - I mean, there was a fire at the SIM card factory.

01:18:48 ◼   ► - Okay, so basically I'm using my iPad even more

01:18:52 ◼   ► because that's my only source of mobile connection

01:18:55 ◼   ► when I'm not at home.

01:18:57 ◼   ► And because I'm using my iPad,

01:18:59 ◼   ► like I'm listening to music on the iPad

01:19:01 ◼   ► and I'm listening to podcasts on the iPad,

01:19:03 ◼   ► but Marco doesn't have an iPad version of Overcast yet.

01:19:06 ◼   ► So as soon as Marco does Overcast on the iPad,

01:19:09 ◼   ► I will switch back.

01:19:10 ◼   ► - She's using Pocket Casts, man.

01:19:12 ◼   ► Yeah, I just figured whatever.

01:19:16 ◼   ► So you're like walking into the supermarket

01:19:18 ◼   ► with your iPad Air in your pocket listening to a podcast.

01:19:21 ◼   ► I don't, see, I don't listen to podcasts

01:19:24 ◼   ► when I'm into the supermarket.

01:19:26 ◼   ► Or I don't listen to music.

01:19:29 ◼   ► Usually I talk to my girlfriend, yeah.

01:19:31 ◼   ► Okay, so there's some big overall questions

01:19:33 ◼   ► that we're gonna answer and then we're gonna be done.

01:19:36 ◼   ► And maybe you just did, but why,

01:19:39 ◼   ► you don't have the phone app on your home screen, Federico.

01:19:41 ◼   ► - That really struck me as odd. - Because I don't call people.

01:19:43 ◼   ► I don't call people.

01:19:44 ◼   ► I don't even like to be called,

01:19:47 ◼   ► but sometimes people call me, so I answer.

01:19:51 ◼   ► I just don't call myself.

01:19:52 ◼   ► - Okay.

01:19:54 ◼   ► - I only have it 'cause there wasn't on my 5S,

01:19:57 ◼   ► it used to be on my second screen,

01:19:59 ◼   ► but I needed to fill a space.

01:20:01 ◼   ► - That's really fascinating to me.

01:20:03 ◼   ► - I needed to fill a space on my top left,

01:20:05 ◼   ► so I just put the phone there.

01:20:07 ◼   ► - Mine is where it's always been,

01:20:09 ◼   ► because I make a lot of phone calls.

01:20:11 ◼   ► - Clearly.

01:20:12 ◼   ► - Mostly work relate, like it's all--

01:20:13 ◼   ► - Bottom left of the dock.

01:20:15 ◼   ► - Wow.

01:20:16 ◼   ► I had settings in the dock until like,

01:20:18 ◼   ► draft four and people, every time I post a screenshot,

01:20:20 ◼   ► people are like, "Why do you have settings in the dock?

01:20:22 ◼   ► It's all like, all center."

01:20:23 ◼   ► It's like, because I do a lot of stuff in settings

01:20:25 ◼   ► and now it's on my second screen.

01:20:26 ◼   ► - I can't stand when people say to me,

01:20:28 ◼   ► "Why do you have camera on your home screen?"

01:20:31 ◼   ► - Seriously, why do you have the camera?

01:20:32 ◼   ► - Why do you have camera on your home screen?

01:20:35 ◼   ► - Come on.

01:20:35 ◼   ► - Because whoever remembers that--

01:20:38 ◼   ► - Me.

01:20:38 ◼   ► How can you not remember?

01:20:40 ◼   ► Yeah, but also having the camera on my home screen

01:20:43 ◼   ► is also having like the photo-- no, never mind.

01:20:45 ◼   ► We need to have a workflow intervention.

01:20:47 ◼   ► You don't have photos on your--

01:20:48 ◼   ► Yeah, because I have camera on my home screen.

01:20:51 ◼   ► OK, so--

01:20:52 ◼   ► So when I press the camera app, I just press tap once more,

01:20:56 ◼   ► and I'm in the photos app.

01:20:57 ◼   ► It needs to review--

01:20:58 ◼   ► Or you could tap just the photos icon and go into the photos

01:21:00 ◼   ► and use--

01:21:01 ◼   ► Yeah, but I like having the camera there.

01:21:03 ◼   ► So if I have the camera app, I have both.

01:21:05 ◼   ► I have both.

01:21:06 ◼   ► Boys.

01:21:06 ◼   ► You just select the icon.

01:21:08 ◼   ► So neither of you make phone calls.

01:21:11 ◼   ► I have a topic in my back pocket of why the FaceTime app

01:21:14 ◼   ► and the phone app are separate.

01:21:15 ◼   ► It's super dumb.

01:21:16 ◼   ► I have-- well, I typically only ever make FaceTime audio calls.

01:21:20 ◼   ► I'll never make any calls.

01:21:22 ◼   ► I very rarely, very, very rarely make a phone call.

01:21:24 ◼   ► I receive phone calls.

01:21:25 ◼   ► Steven, you've got to understand that Myke and I,

01:21:27 ◼   ► we are basically millennials.

01:21:29 ◼   ► Yeah, we're millennials.

01:21:30 ◼   ► We don't do phone calls anymore.

01:21:31 ◼   ► I'm two years older than you.

01:21:33 ◼   ► That means you're not a millennial.

01:21:35 ◼   ► You're just outside of that range.

01:21:37 ◼   ► I'm not Gen X, I'm a millennial.

01:21:39 ◼   ► You don't sound believable Steven. I think no matter when you were born it doesn't make a difference.

01:21:48 ◼   ► What is the idea behind their icon placement? So I hinted at mine earlier

01:21:53 ◼   ► My setup is exactly how it's been for a long time

01:21:56 ◼   ► Except I added new row of icons at the top because they're hard to reach but I still need them sometimes

01:22:03 ◼   ► What about you Myke when you went to the six plus you gained like five extra rows

01:22:06 ◼   ► So well, I had to like totally rethink everything because I started with a fresh phone

01:22:11 ◼   ► So it didn't have a backup of which for my icons to draw themselves from and then because of the size of the phone

01:22:17 ◼   ► I needed to like not put my most used app potentially which is messages in the top left anymore

01:22:24 ◼   ► Cuz I can't reach it that easy. It's now in the bottom left. So I kind of just rethought things

01:22:29 ◼   ► I used to have like a whole audio folder in the bottom right.

01:22:32 ◼   ► I remember that, yeah.

01:22:33 ◼   ► Now I just have overcast and I-- because I can also have beats music.

01:22:37 ◼   ► Because basically I wanted to have beats music and overcast quick access

01:22:40 ◼   ► and I didn't have any space on my home screen.

01:22:42 ◼   ► But then--

01:22:43 ◼   ► So the bottom right kind of working its way out is the most used-ish?

01:22:48 ◼   ► Roughly?

01:22:49 ◼   ► Yeah, actually.

01:22:49 ◼   ► Roughly?

01:22:50 ◼   ► No, it is.

01:22:50 ◼   ► It is.

01:22:51 ◼   ► It is.

01:22:51 ◼   ► So that like-- that bottom-- like that like-- the bottom row,

01:22:56 ◼   ► like the bottom four and then I guess that whole that whole bottom like bottom

01:23:02 ◼   ► section is the most used. I'm kind of the same way the middle like tweet on my

01:23:06 ◼   ► screen overcast slack tweet button right is paper I use drafts a lot but with the

01:23:13 ◼   ► way I hold my phone is like drafts is kind of hard to reach which settings was

01:23:17 ◼   ► there but I use drafts enough it's it kind of picked up that spot not super

01:23:22 ◼   ► heavy usage but kind of the same way I hold it in my right hand use my right

01:23:25 ◼   ► thumb and it kind of radiates outward from there. And I can reach up to the messages icon pretty

01:23:30 ◼   ► comfortably on my phone but past that it's harder. Have you guys ever heard of the concept of feng shui?

01:23:37 ◼   ► Yeah. It's like the Chinese theory of being in harmony with what's around you. So

01:23:45 ◼   ► basically I kind of use that concept like to place the icons. They don't really have

01:23:54 ◼   ► relevance to usage except for the stuff in the dock, it's the apps that I always use.

01:24:01 ◼   ► The other apps they don't really have...

01:24:04 ◼   ► I put them on the home screen based on how nice the combination of the colors look.

01:24:12 ◼   ► Right.

01:24:13 ◼   ► Like if they have a balance.

01:24:14 ◼   ► In a similar sort of way, I mean, okay, you have colors.

01:24:19 ◼   ► If you take a look at my home screen,

01:24:21 ◼   ► my apps tend to be paired with something else.

01:24:24 ◼   ► - Got the to-do apps together.

01:24:27 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I mean, I've made some changes now

01:24:29 ◼   ► to my home screen, which may need to settle in a little bit.

01:24:31 ◼   ► During this episode, I now have threes in Instapaper

01:24:33 ◼   ► on my home screen, having moved one to list

01:24:36 ◼   ► and group me away.

01:24:37 ◼   ► So you've got like, the chat apps

01:24:38 ◼   ► are all together at the bottom,

01:24:40 ◼   ► and then 1Password, Fantastical, and OmniFocus,

01:24:43 ◼   ► they're like the apps that I get work done with.

01:24:47 ◼   ► I have my audio apps there on the right side towards the bottom.

01:24:51 ◼   ► The camera and Instagram are next to each other.

01:24:54 ◼   ► Evan and Dropbox are next to each other.

01:24:56 ◼   ► The Ddudu apps are next to each other.

01:24:57 ◼   ► Day one and editorial are next to each other.

01:24:59 ◼   ► Yeah, that makes sense to me.

01:25:02 ◼   ► Mine's roughly that way too.

01:25:03 ◼   ► They're just kind of clumped together through utility.

01:25:06 ◼   ► A lot of mine are replacements for the system apps.

01:25:08 ◼   ► Like Fantastical is where Calendar sits or used to sit before I added the row above it.

01:25:13 ◼   ► That was how mine.

01:25:17 ◼   ► changed to a 6+ that's exactly how I organize mine whenever an app replaced

01:25:22 ◼   ► the app or that it went in that place. Yeah so we don't have screenshots of it

01:25:28 ◼   ► I don't want to spend a ton of time on it but the two of you guys have three

01:25:32 ◼   ► total home screens I only have two. What's past the home screen?

01:25:36 ◼   ► Folders. Yeah I have loads of folders and mine at the moment is just it's not

01:25:42 ◼   ► in any real order because it's just still too soon.

01:25:48 ◼   ► And that means that this is now the order,

01:25:49 ◼   ► but I can look at it and I'm like, there's no order here.

01:25:52 ◼   ► Yeah, I use Spotlight a lot.

01:25:54 ◼   ► My second home screen is folders.

01:25:56 ◼   ► There's two rows of folders based on app type.

01:25:58 ◼   ► So like media, utilities, I have a folder for--

01:26:04 ◼   ► there are various apps that Myke and I use for Relay.

01:26:06 ◼   ► And then three rows of just apps that I use a lot,

01:26:10 ◼   ► but they're not on the home page.

01:26:11 ◼   ► like Instagram you know drive carousel like but it needs some work like I agree

01:26:20 ◼   ► I got my home screen kind of the way I want it but not really quite yet and

01:26:24 ◼   ► yeah I agree like after that it's just like craziness right now

01:26:29 ◼   ► now making changes now everything's moving around yeah you change that

01:26:34 ◼   ► wallpaper I'm gonna be upset about everything so it's not in the doc but

01:26:39 ◼   ► What do you guys think?

01:26:40 ◼   ► I feel like we talked about copy and paste earlier, that the organization structure of

01:26:45 ◼   ► apps and the springboard is really dated.

01:26:48 ◼   ► It's ridiculous that on bigger phones you can only see nine apps in a folder at once.

01:26:53 ◼   ► Why can't a folder be four rows long or four apps across?

01:26:57 ◼   ► It's crazy.

01:26:59 ◼   ► I feel like Apple needs to address some of that.

01:27:02 ◼   ► The 6 Plus especially, why do apps have to start in the upper left-hand corner?

01:27:06 ◼   ► can't have a blank row or a blank spot like you can on Android.

01:27:11 ◼   ► It drives me crazy.

01:27:13 ◼   ► It doesn't make sense to me.

01:27:14 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that being able to customize the home screen will eventually come to iOS.

01:27:21 ◼   ► Because it's one of the things that I think Android does really nicely.

01:27:27 ◼   ► It definitely does.

01:27:28 ◼   ► I think when they open that door, it's kind of like the inevitable complaint will be,

01:27:32 ◼   ► "Well, I can now put icons where I want, but why can't I have widgets?"

01:27:36 ◼   ► That's where that argument goes. I mean have you have you looked at you know?

01:27:40 ◼   ► There are some widgets on Android that are really really useful. I come I saw a tweet by you wonder list

01:27:46 ◼   ► I think yesterday they they have a new quick add menu on Android on the on the home screen

01:27:54 ◼   ► It's it looks really nice. Well the Evernote

01:27:57 ◼   ► Notification Center widget is the Evernote Android widget. Yeah

01:28:04 ◼   ► Nice. But one really cool thing you can do, you can

01:28:07 ◼   ► Like it's not really like widgets, but kind of because you can also have shortcuts on Android

01:28:12 ◼   ► So you can actually make shortcuts to Evernote notes and put them on your home screen

01:28:15 ◼   ► Hey guys, we should probably switch to Android. I think we should right?

01:28:18 ◼   ► I think we've made a clear enough clear enough case now at this point

01:28:21 ◼   ► Cool great, okay, so that's about it for this week's episode

01:28:28 ◼   ► We didn't put links to all of the apps that we discussed in the show notes

01:28:32 ◼   ► But there's a link to a bunch and maybe at least the ones that we went into a bit more detail on you'll find links to

01:28:37 ◼   ► Those in the show notes, which you can find at relay.fm/connected/11

01:28:42 ◼   ► If you'd like to find us in other places on the internet, we are all on Twitter. I am @imike

01:28:47 ◼   ► Steven is @ismh and Federico is @vitici

01:28:54 ◼   ► I am a host of many shows on this wonderful relay.fm

01:28:59 ◼   ► You can find this show and many of our other shows at relay.fm, including Virtual, which me and Federico host together.

01:29:06 ◼   ► Federico writes at maxstories.net and Steven writes at 512pixels.net.

01:29:14 ◼   ► We'll be back next week with episode number 12.

01:29:18 ◼   ► Thanks again to our sponsors for this week, Igloo and Backblaze. Until then, bye bye.

01:29:25 ◼   ► Adios.

01:29:28 ◼   ► [ Silence ]