20: The Illusion of Choice 
   
   
 
 
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     From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 20. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This show is brought to you by Lynda.com, where you can instantly stream thousands of courses created by industry experts for a 10-day free trial. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Visit Lynda.com/Connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Squarespace, start here, go anywhere, and Sketch Party TV, the fun, fast drawing and guessing game for Apple TV. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined today by Mr. Steven Hackett. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, Steven Hackett. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, Michael Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this is it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just the two of us today. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just the two... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hi, how you doing? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I miss Federico, but this is kind of like old times. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is kind of like old times. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Many people who listen to this show may not know, but once, many moon ago, me and Steven, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we had our own little technology show that we did together. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just the two of us before the prompt, even. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Yeah, pre-prompt. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     prompt. So I have to say we have three of, well, we have two of the most amazing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pieces of follow-up and the third one is special, I don't mean to downplay it, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some very important follow-up, Michael. Very important. If you remember a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     couple weeks ago we were talking about Twitter clients. Do you remember that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I do remember that. Do you know what? I remember it. I remember it so well. It's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like it's all coming back to me now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What are you getting me for Christmas, Myke? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     A Twitter client. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, I've been developing tg-tweet for a few months now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm happy to say that I really like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am using Swift. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yep, so it runs nice and fast for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's really your summary of Swift. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It runs nice and fast. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Nice and fast. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if there, hang on, before we talk about the real topic, if there was a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     teachy twitter app, I think that you would open the app and it's a grid and there's a picture of pasta, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there's a picture of espresso, there's a picture of an ipad, and then there's a picture of a question 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mark, and you tap the buttons and a tweet goes out, it's it's pre-populated, a tweet goes out about one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of those items. So if you hit the ipad, something about working on the ipad, pasta or espresso, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But if you hit the question mark, it searches "Giffy" at randomly pulling from the dictionary 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and posts that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I frankly think that podcasting is over and we should develop this app full time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I don't know why we're still waiting around here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Somebody's made DJ tweets. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can find it in the App Store. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a link to our share notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I have to say, Myke, I've been testing this app for a couple of weeks now, and frankly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've uninstalled every other app on my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's literally just this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this is incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this was made by a really close friend of the show now, Daniel Breslin. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's family of the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Within 24 hours of that show coming out, he had an alpha version that he sent us a Test 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Flight invite for, and then we kind of gave some simple feedback, and I know that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     helped out craft some of the tweets and now it's here. So basically it's an app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you can find it in the show notes which if you go to relay.fm/connected/20 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you will find the show notes and you are presented with a few choices some emoji 
     
     
  
 
 
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     choices and you select from them and it will randomly give you it will randomly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     give you tweets that you can send out in the style of Federica Fettucci. It's all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hashtagged and everything. It's incredible. It's so funny. It's just great. It's a great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     example of what we love about you guys. And Danny, thank you so much for bringing my app 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to life. Actually, I mean, my code name is Danny, and I built this app as I explained 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's right. That's right. Well, if Danny were real, and if Danny were to get in touch, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would definitely mail Danny a Fattici seal of approval. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right, we can do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well actually, I think he's in the UK, so maybe I should just do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, maybe you should just... we can... workflows behind the scenes stuff. People 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't even know how the sausage is made. Speaking of that, we also have a movie poster. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you remember last week, our movie "Reconnected" written by Federico Viticci starring Bradley 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Cooper, Benedict Cumberbatch, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt is definitely underway. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's being written right now. It'll be in pre-production very soon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But we have our movie poster, which you can see on Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I have to say, seeing the three of us together like this really gets me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     excited about our art. Doesn't it, you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am very, yes, I was very happy to see this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There have been, I've tried to tell many people in my life this week 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about this movie. A lot of people aren't interested. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like people on the subway, like, "Hey, I'm going to be in a movie with Brad the Cooper." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, I'm not going to be in the movie. He's playing you, and I'm being played by Benedict 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Cumberbatch. Many people that I've shown this picture to, this was originally including myself, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     didn't even know that he was ever in a movie where he had a beard like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Really, my favorite part of it is how he looks crazy with that beard, and looking off into space. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My beard is kind of that length right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's grown really quickly, which is great fun for everyone, especially me. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So there's that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think that it's maybe the best thing that's ever happened to Hollywood, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really, in the history of Hollywood, the best thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's going to save the movie industry. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sony destroyed it, and we're going to fix it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So you might read about this in those Sony leaked documents. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Hopefully you won't. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Jimmy Boss, Boss A, Jimmy Boss A on Twitter has-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think you're giving him a bit more flair. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, I mean, he's got a beard. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's got glasses. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He needs a little flair. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's got a little flair to him. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He has giraffes as his profile picture. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He has loaded our show notes in the PS3 browser. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke, do you own a PS3? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, I own a PS4. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     PS4. I didn't know if you had a PS3. I assumed the browser is terrible. But you can zoom, so he has 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this. It appears to be on his television in his living room. There's kid stuff around, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and there's a picture of the three of us for all of his family to enjoy. We are partaking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in his home life now with his family, and I think that's really sweet. PS3. I do have to say, Myke, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can we have a little follow-up confession? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I believe that I promised screenshots running in Next Step and I failed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Why did you fail? Do you not know how to use computers? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I forgot until just now. Maybe I can do it during the show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     How would you do that in some sort of virtual machine? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes, let's see if I have it on here. I do, I have Next Step 3.3. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess that might be open step. Let's see. Okay. I'll do this. We can carry on with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     show. If I get screenshots during the show, we will real-time follow up to our follow-up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know how comfortable I am with you doing that whilst we record. I feel like something could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go horribly wrong. What do you mean? I don't know. Well, one, I feel like I could lose you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into some sort of like fugue state. Running next step? Yeah, just because you'll be like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know you'll feel at home and you'll never want to leave and then then the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     podcast will have to stop because like if it's like a time travel movie or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something because you end up going so far back in the past that podcasting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doesn't even exist and then the show will end. I think you might be overreacting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well it is my job in this business to just think about the the possible 
     
     
  
 
 
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     problems and then you fix them. That does seem to be our scenario. Myke, why don't you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tell us about our friends at Lynda? It's time to kickstart your new year. It's time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you should be doing that in 2015 and Lynda.com has something for everyone no 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Lynda.com have highlighted a few courses that they think that you'd be interested in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So for listeners of this show they were thinking about what do they think listeners of Connected 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will like. So what about getting started in audio and music production? Maybe you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want to create your own podcast. They have some great courses there on stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like Logic and things like that. What about the documentaries Helvetica 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Objectified and Urbanized, which is the trilogy of documentaries by Gary 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hustwitt. I've seen Helvetica and liked it a lot. They're all available on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Lynda.com as well. Maybe you want to learn a bit about design. I've seen some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some great courses on the Illustrator and Photoshop and they'll also teach you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     drawing skills and stuff like that, if that's the kind of thing that you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interested in. They have this great new innovative course which is called their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Code Workshop. In that you'll be able to go in and you can see basically 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they'll have a code problem and then a bunch of different people will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     present different answers in different methods so you can kind of see the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thinking of a bunch of different people. It's a really interesting way of kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     looking at different development challenges and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I saw that and I thought that was pretty interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can imagine for people that are trying to learn this type of stuff it's cool because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can see different people's different ways of thinking. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They have iOS app development and essential Swift training as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just some really cool stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So go ahead, I challenge you to learn something new in 2015. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thank you so much to Lynda.com for supporting this show and all of Real AFM. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's Lynda.com/connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we thought we would spend today, which is the last episode of 2014, looking back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at the year, but not just at Apple, but kind of looking at some of the big tech stories 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I don't think we're going to go back through them in detail, but kind of see what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuck? Like what has remained important? What sort of... didn't it just get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     washed away? But what has remained for 2014? And shockingly we found stories for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every month of the year which was a little bit... actually it wasn't as hard as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I thought it would be. So there was an interesting way that I cheated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a little bit on this. Oh, share your workflow. Yeah I would like to share my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     workflow. When we were putting these documents together we were like looking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     through some stuff things are coming to mind I was looking at some other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     roundups as well and picking out some things that I thought were interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then there are a couple of months that were empty so I went to the show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     notes of the show and just looked at the descriptions that's like oh yeah that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happened wow there was a good there was a quiet window for a couple of months 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I don't know what that was about I mean every year there's you know as you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have... there was no show. Oh interesting. So yeah I thought we're gonna go through 
     
     
  
 
 
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     month by month and we're gonna pick out a couple of the stories that we find 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interesting and maybe talk about if they still actually mean the same thing you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know as we thought or if they've basically just gone away. I like this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     plan a lot so let's start in the beginning with January. CES coming up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some CES stuff last year happened. You know for me at least, I don't know how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you feel Myke, but like I just get really tired during CES. Like you know I follow 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I follow the Virgin and Gadget and like they'll have 400 posts a day about some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     crazy like TV that's 3D and curved and like I don't care about those things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah. So I find I personally find CES very tiring but you know there's always 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a few things here and there that sort of come out and I think one of the things 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that is obviously still making an impact is the Pebble Steel which was announced 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at CES last year which you are wearing on your wrist right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yep. As soon as I saw it I knew I wanted it. So I was always interested in a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Pebble but I didn't like the way the plastic ones looked. But the Steel one I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     liked I liked the view of it it had like this wasn't exclusive to the Pebble 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it came with like the second version of pebbles software so I decided to go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for it and plus they were doing a deal I can't remember how much it was but I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think it was free like expedited shipping and there was a little bit of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     money off I think something like that when they when they first announced it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if you pre-ordered so I pre-ordered I think like the day it was announced and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I maybe got it in February maybe something like that and I've worn it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every day except for my brief stint with the OGG watch but I continue to love it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's one of the best tech purchases that I've made this year for me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it it's really improved the way that I use these sort of connected 
     
     
  
 
 
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     devices in my life. Connected devices? Mm-hmm. Another one in January I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happened right after CES was Google announced that they bought Nest for 3.2 
     
     
  
 
 
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     billion dollars which is a big price tag but as we come like further about 2014 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like really not all that much money like remember when they bought Facebook 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bought Instagram for 1 billion and now people measure like acquisitions and how 
     
     
  
 
 
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     many instagrams it is yeah but you know there was a lot of a lot of blowback 
     
     
  
 
 
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     especially from like, I hate to say this, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but from the Apple community, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Google was going to be doing creepy things, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like people were between, they were going to take nests 
     
     
  
 
 
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     off their wall, which is ridiculous, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I own a nest, I'm, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everything is opt-in with Google, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I'm not, you don't have to send stuff to them. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They've done really very little in terms of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bringing Nest closer in line with Google stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think there's some Google Now integration now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but again, that's opt-in. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But clearly a really big announcement for like the quote "Internet of Things" of, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hey, like these internet connected devices, but now sold by a giant company, which is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pretty interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I think the interest, one of the things that I find interesting about this is that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's been pretty much a year and Nest do seem still to be pretty separate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They do and one thing that's a little surprising a year later is that they haven't had much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the way of new announcements. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know the thermostat got a pretty nice software update, mine just got it a couple weeks ago, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they've got the smoke alarm but I believe the smoke alarm predated the Google acquisition 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I don't know what I was expecting but it seems to have been kind of quiet on that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     front since then. So I don't know if they have new hardware coming. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hardware takes a long time. I think part of this is that I forget that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the NES took a long time to develop because hardware is difficult. But I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     looking forward to seeing what they do. And I think with Google backing them, I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think the sky's the limit on what Tony Fadell and his team can create. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah it's one of those interesting things as well. It's like what do you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     continue, what do you make? At some point you just need to iterate what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you've got and then think of other things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They don't need to have 20 different products, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just the ones that make sense 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and have them connect up in a nice way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's definitely scope for growth 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and that's probably one of the main reasons 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would expect that they accepted the Google deal, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is it gave them facilities and resources 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you wouldn't believe to go out and do this stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I expect that they are probably in product development mode, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in a heavy, heavy way right now, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause there's so many things the company now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doesn't need to worry about, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     'cause they've got Google looking after them instead. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I do think the overall fervor has died down 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the Apple crowd. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know if anyone actually took them off their walls. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I hope not, I think that's a really childish reaction. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But like you said, I think they're in good shape. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it's kind of funny, I didn't really put these two together until we did this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     document. So they bought NES for 3.2 billion in early January and the end of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     January they sold Motorola to Lenovo for 2.91 billion. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah this was such an interesting story because it proved what so many people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thought was the point in the first place. Like Google originally bought Motorola 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was like a defensive strategy when they needed some patents, right? Because they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were going into a lawsuit with Apple. They heavily overpaid because they did 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it in a rush and then they sold them for just basically a hair on the what they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     paid for them in the first instance. Yeah which is a little embarrassing. You know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what a great deal for Lenovo though. Yeah. I'm totally wrong so I have to correct 
     
     
  
 
 
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     myself. They paid 12.5 billion for them in 2012 and then sold them for 2 billion 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in January 2014. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like that is, you know, what a deal for Lenovo. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like what an incredible deal that they had. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's so sad as well because Motorola were doing such interesting stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But no, not at least in the smartphone arena. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well they were. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Their Android phones were awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Occasionally they had an awesome one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The original Droid was great, I owned one for a long time, but then they just got in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bed with Verizon and made the Drodo the Drodo. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:46
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     The Drodo, the Drodo. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:48
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     Everybody remembers that phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a flightless Android phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm talking about the stuff they did with Google, the G and the X. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And they were really interesting phones. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sure, I own a Moto G. The Moto X is great, and I think if I were to buy an Android phone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:03
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     today I'd buy the Moto X. But it, you know, I think this story doesn't exist in a vacuum, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     None of these do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is Motorola's decline, I think, before the G and the X had a lot to do with Verizon. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They were making phones only for Verizon in the States. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:21
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     They're very aggressive in their marketing, but not in a good way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:25
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     Samsung came in and just ate their lunch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     For a long time, the original Droid was the Android phone to buy, but then Samsung just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     flooded the market and Motorola's penetration never really made a pass 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Verizon and and so for Lenovo to come in now they're doing the the G and the X 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:47
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     have both been updated they both look really good I think the X especially 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:52
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     looks amazing for for you know coming from a company that's not Apple like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:57
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     it's the I think I really think it is one of the Android phones to buy but I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:02
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     think it's more interesting from the Lenovo perspective you know they bought 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:05
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     ThinkPad business forever ago from IBM, Lenovo has been very successful in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:09
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     PC market much more so than some of these other guys and and they're you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:14
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     know I think Lenovo is slowly making a play to be a real contender but like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everyone else they don't control any of their own software so I'm curious what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:23
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     Lenovo is going to do with Motorola they're going to continue you know so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     far they've run basically stock Android plus a few special features but are they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:32
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     going to look at developing something else that can own the whole stack? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:36
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     I genuinely think that in five years time we'll look back and say how Google could have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:42
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     won like completely flat out could have won if they would have continued to make or just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:48
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     made their own devices. I really do think the fact that they do not make their own Android 
     
     
  
 
 
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     devices which take advantage of everything that they try and make from a software side 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:58
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     and really push the Nexus platform into being something that is its own brand, like what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:02
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     Microsoft is about to start doing with the Lumia brand. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:06
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     Right but Google is in the same boat Microsoft, especially was in, you know, maybe before 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:14
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     five or six years ago, where like, if Google were to step in and say, "Hey, you know, we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:18
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     gonna make an Android phone" and people feared this when they did it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:23
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     Like Google can't really like make Samsung angry because Google needs Samsung to run 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Android on its phones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:32
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     I don't think it's the same and the reason I don't think it's the same is because Google's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:36
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     revenue does not come from licensing of the software. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:42
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     Samsung now needs Google more than Google needs Samsung because the phones are already 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:46
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     out there so the market share is there, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:49
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     People have got the phones are out there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:51
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     need to be able to continue to sell new Galaxy phones, so they can't move away from Android 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:57
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     So they will continue to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:58
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     They're locked in, in the way that potentially Windows OEMs won. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:02
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     And I genuinely think that Google should be making their own phones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:06
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     I think it would be a lot better for them if they were able to do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:11
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     Like one, Google should have bought Nokia, and Nokia should have made Android phones 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:16
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     They really missed out in letting Microsoft get to them first. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:20
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     I think that there are parallels or lines to draw between them, but there are just enough 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:25
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     nuanced differences where I think that it's going to make a big difference over the next 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:31
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     The market's always going to be there, but they could be completely dominant, completely. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:35
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     Yeah, and I can't help but wonder from Google's perspective how they view that scenario. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do they view it that it's okay that Samsung takes Android and just does crazy things 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:51
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     I mean, clearly they are to a degree because it continues to happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:54
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     They've made pushes with lollipop and some other things to incentivize OEMs to stay closer 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:24:02
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     But it's definitely an odd position. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think your point about the license fee is really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:11
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     Clearly not exactly the same scenario, but it's weird, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:14
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     When you make a product for your competitors in a way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:18
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     is a really strange... it's like Samsung and Apple, right? Samsung and Apple are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:22
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     suing each other into oblivion in court, but Samsung makes a ton of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:26
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     components for Apple's devices. It's sort of weird, but then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:31
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     you have to remember these corporations are huge, and the part of Samsung 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:34
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     that makes chips and parts is different from the part of Samsung 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:39
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     that's selling phones in a Sprint store. So anyways... That was January. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:44
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     - What's next on the calendar? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:47
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     - So after January comes a little month called February 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:50
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     and it's a little month because it's shorter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:52
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     than all the other months, Stephen, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:53
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     I don't know if you know that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:53
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     ►  
     but sometimes, every four years, it gets an extra day. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:57
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     - It's like a little bonus. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did you know anyone who was born on a leap day? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, I do not know anybody who was born on a leap day. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I grew up with a girl, we went to school together, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who was born on a leap day. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so the joke was that she was like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know if we were 16, that she was really four. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think since you probably got tired of that joke. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it's weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Microsoft has some news in February. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     Satya Nadella became the CEO in February. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When did Balmer leave? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was in 2014, wasn't it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well they announced it and then the takeover felt really quick. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It felt like a matter of weeks that there was a search. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, so maybe we can find that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Kyle says August 2013. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That seems too far back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anyways, so this guy, Nadella, was at Microsoft. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He was in the part of the company that was cloud services, not from the consumer or enterprise 
     
     
  
 
 
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     software side, but cloud enterprise solution type stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I for one, I don't know how you feel, I guess we're getting ready to hear, I really 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think it's a great move for Microsoft, A, to hire from within. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you're going to do that, you can't pick somebody from Office or Windows because those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     products are not the whole story of Microsoft's future. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think they still have a part of Microsoft's future, but Microsoft has to become more well-rounded 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with things like Azure services for it to survive in the 21st century. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's where this guy comes from, it's his bread and butter. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so to put that at the CEO level is real smart. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I am maybe more excited about what Microsoft could do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the next few years than maybe any other tech company. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because they are uniquely positioned right now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to do some crazy stuff, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because no one's really expecting them to do anything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that all of the other tech companies are doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Nobody's expecting Microsoft to have a great phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everyone's expecting that, but everyone's expecting it with Google and Apple every year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Nadella can kind of do anything because their expectations are continue to have Office 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Windows. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's just going to happen because they don't even really need to innovate. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     People are still going to buy it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What they've proven is if they innovate too much, people won't buy it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So they can kind of coast on that and do some new things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     clearly the company is evolving and developing and changing because you've got all the Dropbox 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff is crazy to me, but in the best possible way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the fact that you don't need to have an Office 365 account to use their apps anymore, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can just use Dropbox, and they're heavily integrating Dropbox into Office, that makes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no sense because they have their own product. They have OneDrive. But what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're showing is we shouldn't, and it's the way everybody feels it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should be, we shouldn't push people towards a product. Just let them into our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     platform however they want to get into it. It's the way that like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Nadella to me feels like an average nerd who thinks about things in average nerd 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ways rather than a CEO of a company. And maybe you know I'm sure that's all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like not all but to a point it's a facade right it's good business but yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm I'm I'm very yeah it's just it's just I'm very interested in him and I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very interested in what they're gonna do next. Yeah and they did they did 
     
     
  
 
 
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     announce his retirement August of 2013 there's a all things D-Link in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     show notes. It felt quick though. Yeah it did and I think I think one thing that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so exciting about this guy is that Balmer was like the last man standing of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the Mac and PC wars, like Jobs is gone, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Gates is more or less out of the picture, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     though he's kind of back now on the board. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But like the age of like 80s and 90s fighting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the desktop, Balmer was the veteran of that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:14
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     and he carried that baggage into the 21st century. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really think that's why he saw issues like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:20
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     Office not being on iOS for a really long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I can't help but think that part of that is at Ballmer's feet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so to see that generation of leadership go into the sunset and to see somebody new 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who didn't come up railing against Apple, but came up and Apple was just a known quantity, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think is a really key difference and I think one that does free them up to do things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Microsoft doesn't have to always have an eye cut towards Apple anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:54
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     They can fight with both hands. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They don't have to have one tied behind their back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm really speaking in a lot of metaphors today, Michael, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's because I'm excited. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like to a lesser extent, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:03
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     like saying what you did then about like being encumbered by the old wars, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:07
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     it's kind of a little bit like what Apple becomes at WWDC, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Jobs and his like restriction on things and the way he needs to think about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:17
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     things went away. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:18
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     and then a bunch of Android-like features comes to iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:21
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     There's a parallel. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I always feel like in these conversations, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:26
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     it has to be noted that Microsoft's most profitable era 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was under the Marvel leadership. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:32
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     It has to be noted, because it's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:35
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     And everybody says failing Microsoft, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:38
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     but they're making more money with him 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:41
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     than they did at any other point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:43
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     But it's the irrelevance that's the problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:30:49
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     And the relevance not only in the consumer space, but what's terrifying to Microsoft 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:54
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     is growing your relevance in small and medium business. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You and I have a small business. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I work for a small business. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was my day job. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We don't use anything in Microsoft. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:05
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     You and I use Skype. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:06
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     But we're not dependent on them like we would have been had we started our business in 1993. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:31:13
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     Google definitely dominates our small business services, for that shadow of a doubt. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:16
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     we use them for Google Apps and we use Google Docs more than anything else. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you think, so many of the things that Microsoft used to do in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:26
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     the business, we use Google instead. We don't use Exchange and we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:30
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     don't use Office. They're kind of the key business points and we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:35
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     ►  
     just don't touch them ever. Sometimes I do have to use Office because people send 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:39
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     me weird documents but that's it. What is this dot doc? I don't even know what to do with it. Man Office for the Mac is so bad. I know that they're gonna be bringing out like the metro one and I cannot wait for that because yeah it's so many parts of it are not retina. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Before we move on to Facebook and WhatsApp can I can I share with you something? Yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's between me and you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:03
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     - There's no beneath the sink, so. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:05
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     - That's factually untrue. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:07
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     So I really, I liked Microsoft Entourage in college. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:13
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     Every student had an exchange account and it was great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:16
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     Because I really liked mail, calendar, contacts, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:19
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     all being in one app and I really want that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:21
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     I want Outlook for the Mac to be good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:24
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     ►  
     and be able to hook it up with an iCloud or Gmail account 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:26
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     ►  
     and have everything in one application. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:28
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     But I'm not keeping my hopes up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:30
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     ►  
     because Office on the Mac hasn't been good since Word 5. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:34
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     ►  
     Past then, Office 97, 98 on the Mac, X, 2004, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:39
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     ►  
     whatever it is now, all of them bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:41
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     But I want it to be good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:45
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     - I always think it's funny when you hear people say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:48
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     ►  
     about how great the, you know, like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:51
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     ►  
     "Oh, they're that team inside Microsoft. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:53
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     ►  
     "They're like a real Apple team, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:55
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     "They're really focused." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:56
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     Like, have you used Office on a retina machine? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:59
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     If they are focused, they're focused on the wrong things, because that is like a wasteland. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's horrible. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Facebook buys WhatsApp for 16 Instagrams. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:12
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     It's maybe the most ridiculous news of the year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:15
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     Yeah, it's one- 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:33:18
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     It's in the document incorrectly. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:33:24
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     19 billion dollars. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:25
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     Wasn't 16 of it in cash and three in stock? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:28
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     Something like that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:29
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     Yeah, that's what we'll go with. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:32
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     ►  
     I'll be the first to admit that I don't... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:34
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     I didn't understand this at the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:39
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     Because I think at least... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:42
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     This is like the problem with the internet is that it's too big and I don't use WhatsApp. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:47
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     ►  
     I barely use Facebook. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:48
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     ►  
     And so for me to like understand what this means is difficult, but $19 billion is a big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:53
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     ►  
     number and this BBC article in the show notes says WhatsApp at the time had 450 million 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:59
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     ►  
     monthly users which is insane. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:03
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     ►  
     That's what the kids call ginormous. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:08
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     ►  
     Still not worth it though. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:34:13
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     ►  
     If you look at some of the other acquisitions we're going to talk about and some of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:16
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     ones we already have spoken about, Facebook is not worth this amount of money in my opinion. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:21
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     ►  
     16 billion dollars is an insane amount of money for WhatsApp. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:27
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     ►  
     It just doesn't make sense to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:30
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     ►  
     It's a messaging app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:31
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     ►  
     And the only reason Facebook bought it is to keep their Messenger app alive? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:38
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     ►  
     There's no other reason they bought it because they didn't want WhatsApp to be the biggest. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:43
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     ►  
     That is a real dumb thing to spend 16 billion dollars on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:46
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     ►  
     It's defensive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:47
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     ►  
     But you gotta remember too, Facebook is, you know, like they went on a shopping spree. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:53
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     ►  
     And it definitely was... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:55
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     ►  
     Yeah, but the thing is, because they keep the company separate, people are still using 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:00
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     WhatsApp instead of Facebook. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:02
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     ►  
     But Facebook wins. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:03
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     ►  
     Yeah, but they don't win. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:05
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     ►  
     Because the reason that they're being defensive is so people stay inside the Facebook bubble. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:11
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     ►  
     But they're not in the Facebook bubble inside of WhatsApp. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:15
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     ►  
     All Zuckerberg has done is like, for his pride? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:19
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     ►  
     If they're not going to bring those users in, if they're not going to make WhatsApp, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:23
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     ►  
     like Facebook WhatsApp, which they say they're not going to, then I don't understand the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:27
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     ►  
     reason for it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:29
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     ►  
     Purely defensive doesn't make any sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:32
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     ►  
     It's like if we bought another podcast network, but then let them remain free for the idea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:40
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     ►  
     of competition. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:42
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     ►  
     like if you go, like if you pull off the side of the road somewhere and you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:46
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     ►  
     gonna do this like four fast-food restaurants, three of them are owned by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:49
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     ►  
     the same company, right? Like three of them are getting your five dollars even 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:53
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     ►  
     though it's the illusion of choice. Well that only works because in those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:57
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     ►  
     scenarios you're making money. WhatsApp, it has a revenue model. Yeah they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:04
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     ►  
     selling soft tacos on the side of the interstate. Wait. WhatsApp's revenue model 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:08
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     ►  
     doesn't meet Facebook's revenue model. WhatsApp's revenue model is like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:12
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     ►  
     like a euro or a dollar a year, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:15
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     ►  
     That's what you pay WhatsApp. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:36:18
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     ►  
     - But that doesn't meet what Facebook's revenue model is, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:21
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     ►  
     which is ads. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:23
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     ►  
     And in the ideas where you've got three, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:27
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     ►  
     three restaurants all owned by the same conglomerate, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:29
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     ►  
     the money floats back up to the conglomerate, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:31
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     ►  
     everyone's happy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:33
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     ►  
     But the thing is, is like Facebook's business model 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:38
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     ►  
     comes from them being a place where you put 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:42
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     all of your information into. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which they say they're not going to, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     business left as it is, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then it's kind of the only reason they bought it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was just so Mark Zuckerberg didn't feel bad? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - As time has gone on, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just can't see the real reason anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like a defensive move for what? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if everyone still leaves Messenger 
     
     
  
 
 
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     goes to WhatsApp, Facebook are in no different situation. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They never would have bought them in the first place. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But anyway, as I say, just kill WhatsApp. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is what they will do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, done, unplug the server. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It did kick off though, what really I think, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think if you look at this year in technology 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in really broad strokes, I think there are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a couple highlights. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think one of them is messaging. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this really sort of kicked that off. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, I think what Apple's doing with iMessage, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It predates 2014, but 2014 added SMS Relay, so you can send SMS messages sort of via the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iMessage bridge. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Facebook Messenger is now its own application, it spun out of the main app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you have things like Slack that have absolutely taken over for small businesses and teams 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for instant messaging-like scenarios. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Private messaging really blew up in 2014, which seems so weird because we all used AIM 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for a decade and then now the last year there have been six or seven different things people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have tried. But it's been a really exciting year for that little corner of things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we move on to March and we can kind of blast through March really. CarPlay launched 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and nothing's happened. Yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that was kind of as expected I think because car technology is slow to move. But yeah we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have that. Office for iPad came out this is kind of Satya's big first big thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:39
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     but they yeah they've been sitting this iPad up for who knows how long and he put it out in the world. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yep just sort of squirted it out. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:47
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     Yep. Office for iPad. Who got that? Well done buddy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Android Wear was announced and Google were the first company to kind of tip 
     
     
  
 
 
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     their hand and show what this type of thing could look like on a wearable 
     
     
  
 
 
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     device. I think that they had a good first outing, a lot of the devices leave 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something to be desired. Software is quite interesting but I think Apple's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:15
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     owning of the stack will make them in a little better position. I think so too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And what were the, I guess it was like the LG G Watch, the Moto 360, like all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those sort of first generation Android Wear products. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And what is interesting about Android Wear, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as opposed to Android sort of proper, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what we think of as Android, is Android Wear 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is very locked down. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     These companies have very-- like your LGG 
     
     
  
 
 
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     watch and the Moto 360 operate the same way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They do the same thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:39:44
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     All they can do is they can give you different watch faces. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right, which is like-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:48
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     You can design your own watch faces. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like backing up to January or whenever it was, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:54
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     if Google had done that with Android itself, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:56
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     like how different would this playing field be? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:01
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     But they didn't, and they are exposing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:05
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     or like controlling Android Wear in a very particular way, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:07
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     which isn't new for Google, and I think the right move, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:10
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     especially for a device that like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:12
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     I don't want like Samsung running some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:14
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     like really cruddy software on my watch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:16
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     and it dying after three hours. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:18
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     So I understand why they're doing it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:19
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     I think it's the smart move. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:22
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     - Yep, so we'll see how that goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:25
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     What else do we have? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:28
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     Facebook buys Oculus for $2 billion 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:31
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     and more Facebook insanity. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:32
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     But this one, I think, makes more sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:37
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     - What, why? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:38
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     - Makes more sense than WhatsApp, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:40
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     but still to pay twice this amount 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:42
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     than Instagram doesn't make any sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:44
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     - Yeah, it's two Instagrams and-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:47
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     - Well, 'cause this is a bet on the future. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:51
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     Mark Zuckerberg's reasoning for this made so much sense to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:55
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     I don't know if he said it actually, but people said it about him. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:58
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     Facebook missed out on mobile. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:01
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     Yes they did. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:02
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     In a huge way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:03
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     They weren't there for a long time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:04
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     They're still catching up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:05
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     They're still catching up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:07
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     ►  
     If VR is the next big thing, they are in with the company that's pioneering it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:12
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     And if it's not, it's gonna be the company that invested in Newtons. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:18
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     But a company that can drop $6 billion for defensive reasons, $2 billion is fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:24
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     Because you can imagine a Facebook product which is in virtual reality, you can imagine 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:41:30
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     They could do a lot of things that are interesting with that technology. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:41:35
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     I can see all my family's photos and terrible political views in 3D around me. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:41:41
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     You can have them thrown into your face by your family. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:43
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     That's basically how Chris's break was. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:46
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     I tried explaining to so it I I don't know if this happens to you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:54
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     Michael Michael Hurley of the United Kingdom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:58
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     But no one in my family understands podcasting let alone podcasting network letting it let alone making money at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:05
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     Podcasting and like having a business partner who works full-time on it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:08
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     ►  
     I think one of my uncle's thinks I'm involved in like illegal Bitcoin mining 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:14
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     ►  
     it's very like it's it I really lost control of the narrative well what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:17
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     ►  
     explain what relay was one of my grandparents thought that I was involved 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:21
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     ►  
     with Julian Assange at one point so that's another thing yeah no that's fine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:25
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     ►  
     that's definitely what we're doing here so we're up to April yeah you're gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:32
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     ►  
     need to help me with this one because I never really understood this in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:34
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     first place okay so April marked the the news of the heart bleed on April 9th of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:43
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     this year. And I mean to boil Heartbleed down... That sounds horrible. Yes, to boil your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:50
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     heart down into like a little nugget, a little heart nugget. It was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:57
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     an issue with OpenSSL, just a security dingus, and it was really bad. And 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:06
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     basically every, almost every major web server or web service you have ever used 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:11
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     ►  
     had this issue because everyone relied on this technology and it was not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:18
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     ►  
     great. I mean people were saying you need to change all your passwords, you need to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:22
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     ►  
     you know... Set your computer on fire. Yeah which I mean I definitely did not do but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:30
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     at the same time like Heartbleed was a serious issue and having this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:34
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     like critical vulnerability in SSL is scary because the world relies on things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:40
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     ►  
     like this. But at the same time, like now, you know, eight months later, like, I didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:48
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     ►  
     see any side effects of this. I don't, you know, I didn't have my email or my Dropbox 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:55
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     account broken into. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:58
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     It was one of those times where basically I was just getting like multiple emails a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:01
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     day from every web service I've ever signed up for telling me they were okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:06
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     Yeah, it's I really like it felt it's it feels now at least more like a theoretical 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:12
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     ►  
     Security breach in an actual one. I know there were real problems 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:16
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     ►  
     but you know not being a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:19
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     ►  
     Web developer like it didn't affect me day to day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:22
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     ►  
     But definitely a good at the very least a good reminder 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:27
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     ►  
     For you know everyone to have you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:31
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     ►  
     Unique strong passwords and not to use the same thing everywhere 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:35
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     ►  
     Because if you do and it's leaked at one place, it's leaked everywhere else. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:41
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     ►  
     I think Yahoo was hit pretty hard. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:45
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     They had usernames and passwords leak according to CNET. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:48
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     ►  
     Google had some issues. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:49
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     ►  
     I mean, big name companies. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     This wasn't just little startups. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:55
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     ►  
     Also in April of this year, MacStories 4.0 launched the world and we finally got the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:01
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     ►  
     responsive design that we all wanted. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:04
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     ►  
     I really love the way that MacStories looks now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:07
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     ►  
     I really, really like it a lot. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:09
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     ►  
     I think Federico and Co. did a great job. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:13
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     ►  
     And I'm happy that it's there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:14
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     I'm happy that his really long articles don't crash my web browser anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:19
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     ►  
     So that's always good, because that boy, he loves to write. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:23
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     ►  
     It does look really good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:25
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     ►  
     I remember seeing the first versions of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:27
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     ►  
     He was sharing screenshots with us and I was like, "You have to do this." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:32
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     ►  
     It looks great and it's been a great year for being a Mac Stories reader. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:37
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     ►  
     I think Federico is doing the best work he's ever done. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:45:40
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     ►  
     I don't just say that because he's not here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:42
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     I would say it if he was here, but then he'd get embarrassed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:46
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     ►  
     We should stop talking about him because he didn't show up today. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:48
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     ►  
     Yeah, what's up with that guy? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:50
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     I know, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:51
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     ►  
     Let's talk about our second sponsor for this week and that is Sketch Party TV, the fun, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:55
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     fast drawing and guessing game for Apple TV. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:58
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     Using Airplay Mirroring you can turn your HDTV into a wifi drawing canvas and a high 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:03
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     ►  
     tech party game. It's perfect for holiday parties and family get togethers, special 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:07
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     ►  
     occasions or impromptu game nights. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:09
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     ►  
     Sketch Party TV is a drawing game for two teams of up to 8 players per team that plays 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:13
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     ►  
     a little bit like Pictionary. The standard gameplay settings give each player 5 words 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:18
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     to draw in the space of 2 minutes and each player gets 2 of these 2 minute turns. With 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:24
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     6 total players a full game can be played in around half an hour. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:27
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     All you need is an Apple TV, an iPad or an iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:31
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     ►  
     Games can be customised to be as long or brief as you like, with options for the number of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:35
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     ►  
     words to draw per turn and a time limit to draw them in, with word lists of varying difficulty. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:41
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     ►  
     There's even a word list for kids. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:43
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     There are thousands of words to draw in seven different languages, including French, German, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:47
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     ►  
     Spanish, English and even Italian. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:49
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     ►  
     Sketchparty TV is great for the classroom too, with a custom word list editor available 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:53
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     ►  
     as an in-app purchase. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:55
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     ►  
     The custom wordlist editor is regularly an additional $1.99 but through to January 5th. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:59
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     The editor add-on is totally free so you want to get in now and get it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:02
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     ►  
     Now Stephen you have been playing SketchYT TV, what has been your opinion of the game? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:07
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     ►  
     It's been great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:08
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     ►  
     It's, you know, when you hear things like AirPlay or like Streamed through Apple TV 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:11
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     ►  
     you think of things like lag or it being problematic but it was none of those things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:16
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     ►  
     Drawing on the iPhone and being on the TV immediately, like, the technology doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:21
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     ►  
     get in the way of having the fun, it only makes it more fun. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:27
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     ►  
     And it's great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:30
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     ►  
     If you're one to have people over, or have family game night or something, it's definitely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:34
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     ►  
     something that should be in your collection. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:38
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     ►  
     It's critically acclaimed and enjoyed by people worldwide, including Steven Hackett from Memphis, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:47:44
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     ►  
     Sketchparty TV is available on the App Store or at sketchparty.tv/connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:50
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So what's up next? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     We are now in May, and May is the month in which Apple acquired Beats, this little company 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:02
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     ►  
     called Beats Music/and Beats Electronics for three Instagrams. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:09
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     ►  
     What a shock this was. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:10
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     ►  
     I was thinking about this when we were going back, and when the rumors came out and everyone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:14
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     ►  
     was like, "Nah, that'd be so crazy. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:48:17
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     ►  
     But now look where we are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:19
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     ►  
     they've done that and haven't really seemed to do much. So yeah, so this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:22
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     like CarPlay or like any of these other things and again like stuff takes time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but how is that how is it the Beats streaming app is still like separate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from iTunes radio? They've done a little bit on the headphones front like Beats 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:37
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     is you know more prominently shown in Apple stores but they left the brand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     separate and they haven't done anything with the software yet. Clearly I think I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the further we get away from this, I think the more clear to me, at least, is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that this was about staffing, of having the co-founders at Apple, and the technology was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sort of a bonus, because they haven't been quick to rush in on Beats Music and make changes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I actually, the more that I've thought about it, I think that in a couple of years' time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we'll look back and see that it was about the hardware stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:11
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     was about selling Apple products to young people again making it cool making 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it the white headphones you know right because because you know people like me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:21
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     are dying off and they need a new group of consumers yeah and I think that this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     coming year we're gonna see some some cool Beats Bluetooth headphones that go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:31
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     with the Apple watch I think that that's gonna be something we're gonna see and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:36
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     they're gonna be like Apple beats you know like Beats by Apple that's gonna be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:40
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     like the first Beats by Apple product. We'll wait and see. We'll wait and see about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think that there's going to be something. There's going to be a physical product that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:49
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     the Beats team releases. In a few years time, Beats will just be a division of Apple that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we know that make music-related stuff. It's where their music is going to go. You know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:58
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     Apple's love for music? That's all just going to be tied up in Beats. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, because when you look at the iTunes model of, "Hey, I want this album. I'm going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go pay $12 for that album, it's going to download on my computer, then I sync it to my iPod. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That is broken on numerous levels from the device now being instead of an iPod that is dependent on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:19
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     a FireWire USB connection, it's a smartphone that's in our pockets at all times of the day 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and night with always on the internet connection. People aren't buying music anymore, they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:29
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     streaming. And Apple's model worked really well for a decade, but if they want to continue to be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be the leader of the pack when it comes to digital music and, you know, sort of like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:42
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     music on the go, they had to move into streaming and Beats definitely offered a lot of good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:48
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     things at a good price. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:50
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     And so it's, you know, it's weird because we don't like Apple makes acquisitions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:56
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     We just don't always see them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:57
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     I think the second, you know, you got a couple famous ones, you have this, you have next. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:01
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     I think for those of us who follow Apple a little more closely, the PA semiconductor 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:08
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     guys who are now building the chips in the Apple devices, like those are big, those are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:14
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     kind of like the big three. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:15
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     Like I can't even name a fourth without sitting here and actually thinking about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:18
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     But yeah, I really think, I agree with you Myke, I think in 2015 we're going to start 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:22
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     to see some movement here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:25
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     Especially around the watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:26
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     You know, Beats is a fashion brand, Apple's leveraging the watch as a fashion accessory. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:31
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     I think there's a lot of potential there for some interesting things. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:51:39
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     What else do we have? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:41
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     App.net died. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:42
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     Yeah, it was sad. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:51:46
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     Especially now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:48
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     That's the last blog post. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:50
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     They haven't posted since then. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:52
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     So May 6, 2014, App.net, they basically laid off their staff, except what's for some people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:03
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     to keep it actually running. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:08
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     They're going to move to contractors, they open sourced a bunch of their code. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:12
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     ►  
     There was this thing that could tell you how many active users there were. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:18
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     anyone in the chat room can find that out for me I'd really love to know or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:22
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     ►  
     maybe someone send it in as follow-up like how what is the current active user 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:27
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     ►  
     base of App.net because I just wonder how far away are they before they just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:31
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     shut down completely. I think they could do it at this point and not make any any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:37
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     noise about it you know. Yeah you could do it and no one would know it's so sad. I'm gonna log in to it now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:45
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     ►  
     Five twelve was still like auto posting to it to like three months ago 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:48
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     ►  
     Yeah, I'm totally logging in as well. I'm gonna I'm gonna post. Yeah, we're gonna bring their servers down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:53
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     ►  
     There there are actually people still posting. It looks like it's automatic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:57
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     ►  
     mostly Thomas brand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:00
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     I'm posting to out on that. We're reviving the service. There's a red light going off somewhere 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:05
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     I'm also I've done anything because we're we're out the name. Oh look at that old avatar 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:13
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     Yeah, I was surprised by mine too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:16
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     Alright, I'm going to see what my profile says. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:19
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     Volcano executive, blogger, podcaster. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:23
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     Internet broadcaster and producer, you can find my shows on Five by Five. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:27
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     So there we go. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:53:29
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     There you go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:31
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     So June, you know, for those of us in the Apple camp, June is the big month of the year 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:53:40
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     There's a lot to cover here. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:42
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     ►  
     iOS 8, Yosemite, Renee Ritchie called it a love letter to developers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:49
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     You know, it was then wasn't it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:52
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     It was then and now it's like a big middle finger. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:56
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     That's harsh. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:57
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     Now it's like a cold shoulder. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:58
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     ►  
     Now Apple like went to bed before you came home. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:01
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     ►  
     Wow, you're really on the metaphors today. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:05
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     ►  
     Yeah, I'm deep in it today. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:09
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     So you and I were both there, and I've been to a couple of these things now, and there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:13
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     ►  
     was definitely a level of excitement after the keynote. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:17
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     And really what was amazing to me in hindsight was that excitement didn't lessen throughout 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:54:23
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     Some of these events you go out to and it's like, "Hey, keynote stuff," and the week goes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:27
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     on and people are in sessions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:31
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     ►  
     They're NDA'd, but when you're there people talk. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:33
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     ►  
     It's like, "Yeah, they're doing this stuff." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:36
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     year like as the week went on the excitement just kept you know the same 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:39
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     ►  
     pace that people were excited about what they were seeing behind closed doors 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:43
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     ►  
     I remember coming back flying back you know watching videos on the plane and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:48
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     ►  
     just like being excited about where Apple was headed and I think that the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:56
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     current like whatever is happening in the App Store business like I hope 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:59
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     ►  
     that's a speed bump to this world that Apple promised of devices that know each 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:05
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     ►  
     other and can interact with each other seamlessly and with things like Swift 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:11
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     ►  
     lowering the barrier to entry to development for iOS and OS X is a bunch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:17
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     of really good stuff and Yosemite's while weird in places like a really good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:21
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     ►  
     version of OS X and iOS 8 a little buggy in places but a really good release of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:25
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     ►  
     iOS and I'm not I still have that excitement that I had in WDC but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:32
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     ►  
     sort of like, you know, it's worn off a little bit, it's been beat up a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:37
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     ►  
     by, you know, the subsequent months of news and app store rejections. Yeah, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:43
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     definitely. I think Swift was maybe the biggest surprise out of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:50
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     everything. I think so because it came, everything else had sort of been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:55
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     ►  
     rumored. Or was expected or was like a little surprise but this was a big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:02
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     ►  
     surprise that nobody knew anything about. And part of this is that it was a very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:07
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     small team but you know and sort of like Tim Cook's Apple they announced Swift 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:14
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     ►  
     and then there's like a book on the iBook store like that night like we were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:19
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     ►  
     sitting in the hotel bar and people have their iPads out like flipping through 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:22
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     ►  
     this ebook about Swift. Like, what is happening? You know, a very different sort of approach. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:30
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     ►  
     And clearly, you know, we're in Tim Cook's Apple, we're post Katie Cotton a little bit, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:36
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     ►  
     and at this point, we're starting to see those changes in the way Apple relates to the press 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:41
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     ►  
     and to developers. And, you know, I think they're still trying to lay another feet from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:46
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     ►  
     some of those changes but I think that WWDC 2014 will go down as an important one. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:56:55
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     Now we have the sad part of June. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:57:02
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     ►  
     I played with one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:03
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     Did I tell you this? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:04
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     ►  
     I spent some time with one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:05
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     ►  
     Thomas Brand has one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:06
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     He was in town. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:57:08
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     ►  
     The Amazon Fire Phone is really bad. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:57:11
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     ►  
     It's just terrible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:13
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Like we did the upgradeies yesterday, award show on upgrade, and the Amazon Fire phone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:19
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     ►  
     was like my biggest disappointment of the year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:22
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     ►  
     I just think it's so ridiculous. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:26
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     ►  
     Just because why are they doing it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:28
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     ►  
     What are they trying to achieve? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:30
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     There's no point in them doing it, and if they're going to do it, they need to have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:34
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     ►  
     a great phone, and they have just by all means like a terrible phone to the point where Amazon 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:41
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     ►  
     have even kind of said yeah it didn't do very well and you can just get it for like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:44
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     for nothing now and on a contract it's yeah they hyped up so much and then it's just like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:53
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     ►  
     disappointment and a waste of time and money yeah I want to do an Amazon if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:00
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     ►  
     probably not an episode but definitely a section on Amazon pretty soon but I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:03
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     think Amazon has this really like core problem of that Amazon that has some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     really great things about it like their stores great their their services so s3 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:12
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     ►  
     AWS like that's a really good like good technology going on but then you get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:17
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     ►  
     another consumer products and like I like the Kindle voyage not everybody did 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     but like their tablets and now the phone like they forked Android their fork 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:26
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     isn't very good you're stuck in the Amazon App Store which is pretty 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     miserable and it's just like I don't I don't understand why Amazon is doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:34
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     ►  
     that if Amazon's goal, you know, the Firefront has this feature, like you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:37
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     ►  
     point it at a Coke can and you can order like Coke from the Amazon store. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:43
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     ►  
     Um, like if their goal was to like extend their e-commerce like platform 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:49
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     ►  
     into the real world, like put that app on every device you can find, like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:53
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     ►  
     build that, build that app for like Blackberries, like put it everywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:57
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     ►  
     And don't like lock it away on like your weird little phone with your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:01
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     ►  
     weird little fork of Android with like four cameras, 3D perspective, and menus 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:05
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     ►  
     flying around. What they say their goals are don't make sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:09
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     ►  
     One of your main selling points for your phone shouldn't be to help you buy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:14
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     ►  
     things on our web service. Like it doesn't even make sense but it's been in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:17
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     ►  
     the ads. Like look how cool Flow is, you can buy stuff. It's like that's not a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:23
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     ►  
     benefit. Like I can... yeah it's weird. It's really really weird. I think that Flow 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:29
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     ►  
     is an app on the iPhone. I don't know. But yeah, I mean, okay, make it, that's fine, but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:38
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     ►  
     don't, like, don't make a phone based around it. It doesn't make any sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:44
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     ►  
     Amazon don't need a phone, like, they just don't need a phone. It doesn't make any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:51
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     ►  
     sense. And I think, you know, it's hurting their, like, consumer stuff, like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:56
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     ►  
     their consumer technology whatever branding they have there like it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:02
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     gonna take a lot for the public to take the next Amazon phone or for Amazon 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     phones from now seriously because like they really got off on the wrong foot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:13
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     whoo July we're up to July now Michael it's hot now it's really it's hot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:19
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     ►  
     outside it's July yeah it's America's birthday so happy birthday America happy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:26
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     ►  
     birthday Obama. Apple and IBM, their global partnership to transform 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:32
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     ►  
     enterprise mobility was announced on July 15th. Big surprise news again. Would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:40
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     ►  
     never expected this. I don't think if you would have given me enough guesses I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:45
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     ►  
     could have guessed this would happen. I mean it's it's weird and if they have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:53
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     ►  
     some apps out I think that's later in the year or pretty recently but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:56
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     ►  
     But Apple looking at the enterprise where Apple historically has not been strong, even 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:03
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     ►  
     on the Mac, and saying, "Hey, we want to go there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:06
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     ►  
     How do we get there?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Well, IBM owns the space. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:10
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     ►  
     And really, IBM does stuff in the enterprise we don't see. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:15
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     ►  
     If you're a big company and you need a cloud service to track your widget, IBM builds that 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:01:22
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     ►  
     It's not like they sell. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:23
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     They don't sell. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:24
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     ►  
     hardware to Lenovo. They don't make chips anymore really for Apple, but it's very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:29
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     ►  
     like enterprise behind the curtain type stuff. It's a trusted brand to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:34
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     enterprises and Apple is riding it on their coattails. They're building 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     apps together, they're selling iOS devices, and I think again I think it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     like new Apple under Tim Cook like seeing its weaknesses and partnering 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:48
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     with people to counter those weaknesses. Jobs never would have done it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think he would. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He never would have done it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just because IBM was the enemy once. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     but I think it's an interesting one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it leads to chilling effect, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which was the hacks or social engineering hacks 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on Sabri's that led to a bunch of compromising photos 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and information being leaked out. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The reason that I thought this was interesting to include 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was where it ended up seeming to be Apple's poor security 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from a security questions perspective 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and some of the stuff around that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Some of Christina Warren's work on this was incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just thought that it was interesting that basically 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the news reported this as the iCloud hack. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it kind of stuck that way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It did, and I think because on the surface that's what it is. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     These photos were in iCloud or PhotoStream or something, I mean, we're the photo management 
     
     
  
 
 
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     show and I barely understand how it works, and then we're out in the public. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But in reality, and we'll link to Christina's piece where she went through the steps, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was a so is it not exactly like Matt Honan's deal but this was like social 
     
     
  
 
 
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     engineering and like a lot of things in play like an Apple address some security 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff like a lot of this was around there if I remember correctly their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     security questions and like you could get your way around them that was also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     part of Matt Honan's deal but I think overall like this did the story like went 
     
     
  
 
 
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     away I don't like people today aren't like turning still turning off iCloud 
     
     
  
 
 
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     photostream because their selfies are gonna end up on Reddit. I don't... I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think it was a thing and I think while it was portrayed as iCloud was hacked I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do think that the real story and sort of like the whole story did get out a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little bit because I don't think iCloud took that big of a hit reputation wise. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah I think that what it... whether iCloud does or not I think it does have an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     effect for the cloud as a thing and the way that people react maybe react to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that and yeah I think that it could be interesting that you know we may not see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     celebrities use this stuff in the same way which may lead to less endorsements 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know but it was a it was a big story that had a tech component like to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the point where it kind of still keeps popping up in different news outlets 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every now and then I thought it would be worth at least mentioning oh yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     absolutely. But the biggest news in August was Real AFM. Oh yeah. We did that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in August. August 18th, if my memory serves me well enough, and I just wanted to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mention it because it was the biggest news of my year. Me too. You had a son. Come on buddy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was my biggest professional news. There you go, congratulations. Yeah and you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we, I think we've talked a little bit about it. I don't know if this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right channel to do that but we know it's it really started over the summer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and but it was very quick I mean by the time we sat down and started working and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we were launched was like super fast. We didn't even have a website in WWDC like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we did no it wasn't even it was still very much just an idea and the work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     didn't start until after WWDC so yeah it's here and we're really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     excited about what we're doing 2015. We're also excited that Amazon bought 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Twitch. So Myke, I'm not a gamer. Can you explain Twitch? Like, I don't... A) like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     look at this URL on Amazon's press release. It's phx.corporate-ir.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know what the IR could mean. I think it's infrared. Ah, corporate infrared. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's how we get into the URL. So explain Twitch to me because I don't... like I know what it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is but like why is it special? Why should I care? So you wouldn't. If I were a gamer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     why should I care? Right so basically Twitch is a way for people to live 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stream their video games. That's in essence what it is. They do a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     other video game related content so like award ceremonies and stuff and E3 like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the presentations they get streamed on Twitch. It's basically a video community 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for gamers and it's being baked into consoles now so natively you can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     start streaming to Twitch from the PS4 and the Xbox One. It's basically a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way that people show the game that they're playing to people that want to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     watch. It's kind of like, you know, there's this big eSports thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's really kind of seeing a growth now and I think a lot of the twitch stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     helps with that. We had twitch plays Pokemon which was the best thing of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     year which was just this insane insane thing that happened. It's difficult to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     explain but basically it's because the way that I can try and explain it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it doesn't make any sense it's just a way that people watch other people play 
     
     
  
 
 
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     video games. Okay. Like Polygon wrote they did a really really really great 
     
     
  
 
 
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     piece about Twitch which I will put in the show notes you need to read it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's better than I could ever explain it it's like a full this was all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before the the purchase and it kind of explains how Twitch was born by accident 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out of Justin TV. Do you remember Justin TV? I do. Yep, they shut that down slightly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     before the purchase by Amazon. It was a big deal to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     video game community and I wish Federico was here so I could have someone help me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     explain it. Is it in trouble with Amazon? Like what's the feeling that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:22
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     Amazon owns it? Nothing's happened. So it's like all these are purchases we've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     talked about. It's like most of the stuff that Amazon buys they leave it alone for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a very long time. And then they put four cameras on them to make it 3D. Well then 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they just call that Amazon Prime. Yeah I mean. The worst thing that Amazon could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     do in this scenario is do that. I mean but you've got IMDB do you do you even 
     
     
  
 
 
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     remember that IMDB is owned by Amazon? I do. You do remember that like every time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you go there? I mean I just know it as a fact. But it's like when you go to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     site it doesn't say like Amazon Prime instant movie information. Right. You know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it could. But it could. But they haven't done that and I think that was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that one of their first acquisitions. So yeah it was man dude IMDB was launched 
     
     
  
 
 
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     October 17th 1990. Yeah one of the one of the very first websites. That's as old as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you are. I've claimed that as a fact. IMDB was the first website. Did you know that? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know that that's not accurate of all the websites IMDb was the first IMDb stands for 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Difficult brand they IMDb their first website 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we also have bomber surfacing again in August he bought the LA Clippers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't remember how many instagrams he paid for it. Let's see an amount of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     two instagrams and is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Stepped off the board of directors 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there's a picture of him yelling in front of a clipper sign and I can just see him shouting like point guards point guards 
     
     
  
 
 
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     developers developers, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean I think making any sense to me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Have you never seen the Steve Ballmer developer developer joke or video? I don't know what point guards are. It's a position in basketball 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's fine. So he's off Michael George. I 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     like I look at bomber now and like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, he it's ousted as a CEO like who wants to stay around in that environment 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But like he just bought an NBA team because he can and you know what? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not one to judge that because that's frankly pretty cool 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and if you're a rich guy you can do that and so I think he's just hanging out like being a dude and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:51
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     buying basketball teams and who doesn't want to do that honestly? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Me. Yeah. If you were ever in the States during basketball season I would take 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you to a game. I used to go to basketball in London. There was a team called the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I did two things recently. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One I launched or relaunched Stephen Hackett dot com. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think if you can own your name as a domain, I think you should. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just I think it's important for people to stumble across it than they were to find you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But 512 pixels, my blog runs on Squarespace and just did a little bit of touch up on the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're in Q4 now guys, Q4. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The leaves are starting to change a little bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:30
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     Oh look at those leaves changing. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Leaves, why you changing? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     news in our corner of the world the Apple keynote iPhone 6 Apple watch Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:41
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     pay big big event we spoke about it at length but I think the thing that sticks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:47
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     with me now a couple months later having not rewatched it or anything is that the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:54
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     phone like sort of played second seat to the watch and it really was the watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     event they're like oh we have iPhones and we're gonna get the they were done 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the phones in like 18 minutes or something. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And clearly, the further we get away from it, the more I think about next year. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple is, like all of Apple is behind this effort for the watch, for better or for worse. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think that's going to be the story of next year coming out of Cupertino, is all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:24
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     When do you think we're going to hear about the watch next? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:28
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     I think we're going to see it sooner than most people think. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:33
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     I'll leave it at that. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:15:37
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     See, you probably don't know anything, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:40
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     but it makes it sound like you do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:41
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     I know, actually, I know exactly what you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:44
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     So there's that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:46
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     You put Ben Gate in here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What do you think-- why? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:49
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     I mean, do you think that's-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:51
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     That was a big story. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:15:53
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     Yeah, it was a big story. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:54
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     Ben the iPhone-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:55
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     Is it still a big story? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:56
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     Because people still ask me if my iPhone bends. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:59
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     I still get asked that question every time people see it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:02
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     "Oh, does it bend?" 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:16:05
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     Bend your face. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:06
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     No, I don't say that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:08
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     It's annoying. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:09
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     It's annoying. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:16:15
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     Mine is a little bent. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:17
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     So mine's in the Apple leather case, but if I take it out and I put it face down like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:22
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     a glass table something I know is perfectly flat like the the corner that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:26
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     the camera's on and then the diagonal corner like I can push them like up and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:31
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     down and it rocks a little bit which is what happens if you put it face down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:34
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     well so if it's face down yes so your phone is bent yeah I don't have a bent 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:40
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     phone oh I thought you said you did no yeah mine is definitely been a little 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:45
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     bit and I know exactly when it happened and know exactly what caused it and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:51
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     and that's just sad for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:55
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     - What happened? - And it bothers me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:55
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     - What caused it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:56
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     - It's embarrassing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:59
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     I did not sit on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:00
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     - What did you do? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:01
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     - I keep it in my car. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:03
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     The handbrake is in like a leather boot, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:06
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     I think is what it's called. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:07
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     And I put it next to the e-brake. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:11
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     It's like leather cover that goes down. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:14
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     It's like a little pocket. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:15
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     And so I dropped my phone in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:17
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     It was like the USB cable runs there really nicely. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:20
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     And so I put it there, and then I got out my car one day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:24
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     and I pulled the emergency brake with my phone still in there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:28
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     And the phone kind of got wedged between the emergency 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:30
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     brake and the side of the little container it lives in, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:34
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     and it bent. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:35
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     You don't deserve to own an iPhone anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:17:37
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     It's really embarrassing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:39
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     You need to have your phone taken away. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:40
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     You clamped it in with the emergency brake. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:44
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     What's wrong with you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:47
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     So I have it in a case. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:49
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     And the case basically is enough that I don't notice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:54
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     - But now everybody knows. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:58
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     The next one is one of the biggest stories, I think, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:02
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     and one of the most underestimated stories of this year, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:04
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     which is Microsoft buying Mojang, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:06
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     who owned and created Minecraft for $2.5 billion. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:11
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     Huge news, so much so that Notch could outbid 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:16
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     Jay-Z and Beyonce for a mega-mansion. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:19
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     Did you see that like in Beverly Hills? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:20
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     Did you see that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:21
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     - Yeah, he bought a huge house 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:23
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     with like a candy factory in the basement. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:26
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     - Yeah, but like the huge, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:27
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     I think the biggest part of it is he outbid 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:31
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     Beyonce and Jay-Z. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:32
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     - Well, Jay-Z's last album wasn't very good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:34
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     Maybe they're struggling. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:36
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     - Maybe they are, I'm sure they are. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:38
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     And then did you see the tweet where he just like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:41
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     he just tweeted about it? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:18:44
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     - And it was just him like just with his feet up, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:47
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     which is just the best. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:48
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     Yeah, that's the picture I'm thinking of. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:50
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     It looks like there's a wall of jelly bean containers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:52
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     Yeah, and I've read some other tweets by him later. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:55
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     It's like he doesn't even like jelly beans, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:56
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     but he felt like it was the best way to show his crazy house. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:01
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     Yeah, I think so. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:02
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     I think if you live in a house that has a candy wing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:04
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     that you're doing pretty well. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:05
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     $70 million. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:07
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     Yeah, that's crazy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:10
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     Crazy pants. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:11
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     So Microsoft owns Minecraft. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:14
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     So I am sort of like... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:18
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     Every time I open my mouth on the show, I sound old. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:23
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     Can I just preface this? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:25
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     So my son got some Minecraft stuff for Christmas 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:27
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     and he doesn't play Minecraft. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:29
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     It was from a extended family member. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:31
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     So now Minecraft is in my home. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:34
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     He's not playing it, but he's aware of it now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:37
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     He's six, which I think is a little young. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:40
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     But I know it's coming 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:42
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     And I'm actually pretty excited about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:45
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     He's big into-- so many LEGOs in my house 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:48
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     right now from Christmas. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:50
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     He likes the building and thinking that way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:55
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     And again, my question with Amazon, is this OK? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:59
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     Is Minecraft in good hands in Redmond? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:20:06
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     I mean, probably. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:07
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     That's a good robot answer. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:20:10
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     Well, now it's on Windows Phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:12
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     Situation unknown. It's still I think the top paid app or top grossing app in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:17
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     iOS app store. It's been that way for like a year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:20
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     Yeah so it's now on Windows Phone which is hilarious like it just arrived 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:24
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     relatively quickly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:26
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     Top paid app. It's got four and a half stars with 10,000 reviews. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:31
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     My original concern which remains as a concern for me again even no matter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:35
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     what Mojang and Microsoft say, Microsoft have the ability now to pull the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:42
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     plug on Minecraft on any other platform except for PC and Xbox. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:48
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     The fact that they've said they're not going to do that means that I also don't understand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:52
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     why Microsoft did this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:55
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     Because the biggest video game on the planet, arguably, or maybe the fastest growing, I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:02
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     don't know, it's probably not the biggest, but it's probably the most important video 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:06
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     at the moment like it has been for some time and will be again for even further 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:12
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     it is the Mario of the current kids generation right it's gonna spawn a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:18
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     whole different like I think that minecraft is incredibly important I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:23
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     would actually recommend listening to there's an episode of virtual I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:27
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     it was last week's episode where Federico plays for the first time it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:33
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     It's hilarious just to listen to how emotionally invested and upset he gets when playing the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:21:42
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     But then I also go on this big rant about how important I think Minecraft is, so I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:46
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     want to just rehash it all. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:47
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     Because I actually think that you should listen to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:49
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     It's like the first part of the episode too, so you don't have to listen to all of it if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:52
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     you're not interested in video games. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:54
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     So it's episode 19. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:57
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     But what I find so crazy about this is they paid $2.5 billion for it, where I cannot see 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:05
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     how WhatsApp is worth $19 billion, that much more important than Minecraft. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:12
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     I don't get it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:14
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     Minecraft is one of the most important things on the planet right now, and it's still got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:21
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     long life ahead of it because kids are obsessed with this game like obsessed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:26
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     with this game and like I was sort of digging around when we were talking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:31
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     about the amount of users you said 400 million users right for minecraft effort 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:35
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     for whatsapp yeah 450 I think so minecraft in February passes 100 million 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:41
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     registered users this is for a video game yeah it's a hundred million 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:45
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     registered users of a video game like all the people and people get obsessed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:51
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     I just think that I think the importance of this acquisition is underplayed and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:57
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     think that it was way underpriced and I will never understand how it came to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:01
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     this amount like Microsoft bought a cultural phenomenon for 2.5 billion 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:06
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     dollars. It's weird when you say it like that too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:12
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     October we had another Apple event which was kind of I mean not really that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:18
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     important in the game of things. Well I mean what was announced? Compared to the watch, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:25
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     yeah sure, but I mean iPad Air 2, like that's fine, the iPad Mini is sad. I think the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:30
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     Red and iMac is a big deal but I will admit to being somewhat biased in this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:36
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     regard. I think the Red and iMac is a big deal and I think the big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:44
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     story of October is Tim Cook. His essay in Businessweek, I reread it, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:52
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     reread it for today's episode and like still get chills reading it. It's so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:58
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     powerful and so important. So incredible. Yeah. I think it's the most important 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:06
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     thing that Apple have done this year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:09
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     About a shadow of a doubt. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:11
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     There are some choice words in here which are so powerful. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:17
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     I want to find the quote, I still think about this a lot, where Tim says, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:24
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     "So let me be clear, I'm proud to be gay and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:29
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     I love that line so much. I think that is such a powerful line. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:36
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     because there are so many people that would disagree with that so fundamentally 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:41
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     and I really really love it, I really love it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:44
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     And I love Tim's, like, how courageous and gutsy this is of a thing to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:53
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     Like, the nerve that it must have taken to be able to be the most powerful CEO on the planet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:00
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     And to say something like this is just so incredible and it's so influential. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:06
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     Yeah, and sort of on a zoomed out model a little bit, you know, Apple under Steve Jobs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:12
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     was not influential in politics or in social issues. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:19
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     Steve Jobs sort of famously, like didn't it, at least that we know of, like give a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:23
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     of money to things? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:25
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     His wife has done some things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:29
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     But under Tim Cook, Apple has, under his direction, has been throwing its weight around a little 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:25:36
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     You know, the sort of famous stockholder meeting where the guy's like, "What are you doing? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:43
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     What's the return on investment on solar energy?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:45
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     And Tim's like, "It's not about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:47
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     If you think it is, if you want it to be about the ROI every time, get out of my stock." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:54
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     And Cook is in a very unique position with Apple to do all sorts of things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:03
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     And I think the environmental record alone is great, but then you add it to this social 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:26:11
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     The diversity stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:12
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     Yeah, it's huge. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:13
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     And obviously there's a lot of ground to be made up. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:16
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     I think the last diversity report, Tim Cook's like, "This isn't where it should be yet." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:22
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     ►  
     But the fact that he's talking about it and the fact that Apple as a corporation, as a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:28
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     ►  
     giant in the American stock market, is just really, really great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:38
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     And I think that it embodies some of the things we love about Apple, of it being a company 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:43
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     ►  
     for creatives and for people who don't fit into the box and sort of all that like old 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:50
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     of thinking about Apple as the underdog fighting for the little guy. I see that in Tim Cook, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:58
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     and as an old-school Apple fan, as well as someone who agrees with his political statements. I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:05
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     it's really exciting. Totally, 100%. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yep. We will say, AF Wilder in the chat room sent us a link about the Jobs family and charity, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we'll put that in there, we want to be fair. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But clearly not on the same level as Tim Cook writing in Businessweek. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think he's going to be remembered very fondly by history for his actions in October. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So what else do we have for the, we're into November now, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We are into November. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is Watch Kit season I think you can go hunting for Watch Kit. What? I like that joke. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's funny. You finally said something that's funny on the podcast. Congratulations you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     made your first joke. Yeah and four years together Myke, four years. Net Neutrality I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's the big story out of November. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's a link to 512 in here where I embedded a CGP Grey video, but spoke a little bit about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like net neutrality is like this big thing and it's political and it's like it doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     make much sense until you think about it on the individual level. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that's the case for a lot of political things, but especially something like this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So like, what I wrote about was like relay. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if without the protection of neutrality, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Comcast could go to Libsyn where our files are hosted 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and say, you know what, Libsyn, like you got to pay us. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're doubling your access to the, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like if you went across Comcast copper, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's gonna cost you twice as much as it does elsewhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And like, Libsyn would be forced to either do that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and charge us more, which would make me sad, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or not do that and our downloads be slow 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anyone on Comcast which would make me even more sad. And so it's it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     definitely one of those things where like what happens in Washington affects 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people like on a super micro level and it's really scary to see it be you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going away. It's kind of where it's been left. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's not just here, I mean there's news in December about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     neutrality and some European countries also not in good shape. Yeah, we're a bit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more progressive though here. There is more that's happening, there is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more of this stuff in the UK, more competition, and there are European Union 
     
     
  
 
 
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     guidelines about net neutrality, so at least some of the lawmakers are embracing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it. Yeah, I think it's a must in an internet-driven economy than, you know, like the economy that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know, our parents grew up in being sort of like post-industrial, like moving into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the information age. Like the electric company didn't tell you that running your refrigerator 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would be twice as expensive as running your stove. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That sort of mentality just doesn't make sense in a market that is completely driven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Most small businesses in America are internet-based, and to see them in trouble because of this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is terrifying on multiple levels. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think more of the problem is the American view on the rest of the world. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's the problem, I think, in this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the biggest problem with net neutrality is America making decisions and this affects 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the rest of the world and as much as I love you guys you don't have the right to make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those decisions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:55
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     The internet is not an American thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It doesn't belong to America and the American government or anyone in America cannot make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     decisions that will affect me and the United Kingdom. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You just can't do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I totally agree. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:09
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     So there we go. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The December news, I mean we probably don't need to talk about it because it's happening 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:31:16
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     Listen to the last three weeks of shows. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean Sony, which we haven't, we really didn't talk about all that much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:26
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     Because it's a minefield and a mess. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is a mess and it's a minefield. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I've learned the hard way if you have opinions on this stuff people will say that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:37
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     you're calling America a coward so I don't really want to get into it. I've already just slammed down on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:45
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     America a moment ago. I need to do it again. I love you guys. Yeah I mean I will say that I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:50
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     I think Sony's in a really hard position but I think the reason that we're gonna remember this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     movie in two decades is because they decided not to show it and then sort of decide to show it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:04
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     after all like it seems the movies terrible yeah but but not that but like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:10
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     responding to that sort of thing by accepting some level of like command is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:19
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     sort of strange yeah they never should have made the movie in the first place 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:24
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     and then they really shouldn't have I mean looking at in hindsight I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that maybe they should never have made it I think that the frets about it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:33
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     should say that they shouldn't have released it but at the end of the day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:36
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     you can't allow a company, sorry another country to censor you, you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:40
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     just can't do that I guess. Yeah and then App Store stuff which we talked a little 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:45
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     bit about back in June you know like a half an hour ago time has moved quickly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:51
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     and so slowly you know the App Store issues of Apple built these tools and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:32:59
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     developers are using them and there's not a great definition of what's allowed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:03
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     and what's not allowed and that's hurting developers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:06
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     That has hopefully been quiet, but then I realized, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:10
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     I was thinking about this this morning, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:11
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     and then I realized that, well, the App Store 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:12
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     has been closed for a week because of Christmas. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:16
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     You haven't gotten any updates on your phone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:17
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     because there's no updates. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:19
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     So hopefully that doesn't fire back up in January. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:22
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     But I think we're at a point, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:24
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     where this continues to be an issue that, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:27
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     we have to hear from Apple officially. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:30
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     Developers getting emails from App Review, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:32
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     It's a very real thing, but it's not Apple making a statement. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:35
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     And I think Apple has to make a unilateral decision about what's allowed and what's not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:42
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     and be very clear about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:44
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     And I think that's at a point where it's got to come from somebody like Schiller, who is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in charge of this stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:33:51
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     And there's been a lot of chatter from well-known iOS developers who are really unhappy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:00
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     And as Android gets better, I think some developers are looking at it for the first time and that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not what Apple needs. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:09
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     Apple needs good apps to be completely, solely only on iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:14
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     Do you remember a couple of years ago there was an amount of problems, there was a groundswell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:21
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     of anger and upset about something developer-related, I can't remember what it was, and then Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:27
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     overhauled the App Store developer guidelines and included the piece on "This is a living document." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:32
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     Right. Do you remember that? I do. I think that's gonna happen in Q1. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:38
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     I think it's got to because I don't think they can make it back to another WWDC without addressing it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:45
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     Yeah, because the way that you don't have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:48
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     letter from Federighi, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:52
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     Where you address that we see this as a problem the way that you don't do that is by making a change like this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:34:58
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     It's like we're always gonna change them and you can you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:00
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     You can never try and Apple will never allow you to draw the dots between them, but it's obvious what they were doing it for 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     To a point I agree with you, but I think I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:14
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     Think like hiding behind the comment of that. It's a living document 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:19
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     Like I get the intention of that but this the cynical viewpoint is that Apple can just hide behind that anytime they want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:26
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     And it's not a living document if they're not editing the document like they haven't clarified any of these rules yet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:32
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     to any great extent and so it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:36
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     It's living document, but it's not and I think they've got to deal with that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:42
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     They don't want to go into a WBC with new features, you know, assuming Lee 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:48
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     I think it's pretty safe to say we're gonna see the watch before June and they're gonna see like the next level of watch kit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:54
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     at WWE DC this year and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:35:56
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     They have to have people on board with that and there's a lot of people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:00
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     who were saying like to your point a couple weeks ago on the show that like look at the watch and they're like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:05
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     I'm not going to do that because you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:09
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     I don't want to go build something and invest in it and then not be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:14
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     approved or worse be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:17
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     rejected later. And so a lot of developers are holding their cards close right now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:22
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     and that's not what Apple needs. Apple needs developers to be risky and it's time to address it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:27
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     I think the App Store development guidelines should be written in Google Docs so like they could be edited by multiple people once. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:36:35
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     Someone would just select all and delete. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:36
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     Well, you know living document. Do you remember when you and Federico did that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:41
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     Yeah, we opened up a Google Doc to the world and it got horrible and broken and fell apart really fast. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:46
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     It got really weird before it did though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:50
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     So that's the year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:51
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     That's 2014 in review. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:53
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     I've enjoyed this actually. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:36:55
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     It's nice to look back at all of the things that actually don't matter. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:00
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     Should we pick an Apple story of the year? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:04
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     I already kind of did an upgrade but I mean mine and I kind of said it a moment ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:09
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     I think that Tim Cook's article, his Businessweek article, is the most important thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:16
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     Apple's done this year, but probably the watch from a product perspective. If you look at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:22
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     Apple as the company rather than as Tim Cook, the individual, probably the watch is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:26
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     biggest thing. Love it or hate it, it's what Apple's bet in the next couple of years on, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:31
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     I think. Agreed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:34
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     Because I think as well, you look at something like this and you look at where the iPhones 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:38
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     are and where the iPads are, innovation is slowing down and it's going to continue to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:43
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     slow down and Apple, I think that Apple will be relying on the watch to be where their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:48
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     innovation goes because it's a new product and it will take maybe some of the sting away 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:53
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     from the fact that there isn't a lot going on in the phones or the iPads. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:37:57
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     I think that's a really good point that they can sort of channel, re-channel things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:01
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     You saw that with OS X and iOS that OS X slowed down like change to change when iOS was young 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:12
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     And now that IOS is a little more mature, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:14
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     they picked the pace back up with OS X, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:17
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     we get things like Yosemite. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:19
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     I think a lot of that is a testament 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:21
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     to their new integrated team structure. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:25
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     But I think a lot of it is like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:26
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     yeah, there's only so many hours in the day, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:29
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     there's only so many people here to do these things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:31
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     And something is always gonna have priority, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:35
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     and I think you're absolutely right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:36
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     that the watch is going to be that for a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:39
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     And then maybe they do that and they circle back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:43
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     I think it's a pretty common scenario. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:48
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     - I hope that they just focus in one place anyway 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:50
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     'cause they can't. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:52
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     They can't prove it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:53
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     ►  
     - I hope they focus on iWork. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:57
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     I'm just kidding. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:58
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     - iWork in the cloud. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:38:59
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     - All right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:03
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     - So that's about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:04
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     We've got a load of show notes today. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:05
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     our whole host, a incredible stack of show notes, which you can find at relay.fm/connected/20 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:12
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     weeks, Steven, 20 weeks of Relay FM. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:39:17
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     Congratulations on the biggest, most important thing in your year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:21
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     I really feel bad about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:24
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     Biggest professional thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:25
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     There you go. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:39:27
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     Biggest professional thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:28
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     We'll be back next week with another episode of Connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:32
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     Thank you so much to our sponsors this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:34
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     Linda, SketchpartyTV and Squarespace. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:37
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     If you want to find me online I am @imike, I am YKE and I host a bunch of shows at Relay.fm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:43
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     and Stephen Hackett. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:44
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     He is @ismhage on Twitter and he writes the fantastic Five Tool Pixels.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:49
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     And next week we will be joined by our absent co-host, not dead, okay, just absent. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:56
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     It's important. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:57
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     You're the one who... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:39:58
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     I'm the one that is deceased, yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:40:01
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     You can find Federico's great work at maxstories.net and his app for teaching on Twitter, V-I-T-I-C-C-I. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We'll be back next time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thank you so much for listening. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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