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     - From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 21. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Today's show is brought to you by Hover, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a monthly subscription box for epic geek 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and gamer items and pop culture gear. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My name is Myke Hurley and today I'm joined 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by Mr. Steven Hackett. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, Steven Hackett. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Hello, Michael Hurley. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And the glorious return of Federico Vittucci. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hello, Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hey guys, how are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Happy to have you back. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm happy to be here again. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Happy New Year to Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You too, buddy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because we didn't talk, I said Happy New Year to Myke last week, but I didn't say that to 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So do you celebrate the New Year in Tennessee? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We are aware of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They have a different calendar. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, you do. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's 1945 in Tennessee. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     In some ways that's not untrue, but yeah, no, it was lovely. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Had a nice Italian dinner actually, and then went home. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What did you have to eat? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had, well, so Italian in air quotes, right, because Federico's here, but I had a lovely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ravioli and meat sauce and some salad and some tea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So what did you do at midnight? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did you just stare at the OS X installer? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was in bed early. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I didn't see the midnight. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My idea would have been better, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think I should have gone with what you went with, but I'm old and saying up to midnight 
     
     
  
 
 
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     seems impossible. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So yeah, it feels good to be back, Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The last episode was really great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You guys did a great job, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     2014 has been a strange year for technology. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What do you think we're gonna see this year? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - The Apple Watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - The Apple Watch, like Jeff Bezos buys a real AFM. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Federico, you sound a little under the weather. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Yeah, you sound like you've got a cold. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Well, yeah, I had one like a couple of weeks ago. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Are you still, did you have a heavy new year? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like a week later, are you still feeling the effects of New Year? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, you know, it takes a while to get back to the usual routine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's been a, let's say, it's been not a great first week of the year for me, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but now it should be getting better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's how I like to look at it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One of the unfortunate things about 2015 so far is that we have 100,000 pieces of follow-up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's an entire page in our Google Doc. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is the most I've ever seen, so do you want to get started? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we'll get started. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So FU number one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     FU number one? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You're saying FU but then you're calling me number one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very conflicted. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like you're the best worst person I know. So listener Arno, Arno, listener Arno 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wrote in and basically asked do App Store rejections, which we've talked a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot about of course, matter in the grand scheme of things? So Arno's argument is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that while app rejections are like obviously a big deal to us and our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     friends, that maybe like normal people it's not such a big deal that you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like Federico likes to call them normal people you know his like our friends who 
     
     
  
 
 
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     aren't in this space like a do they even use these apps that get like bumped you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know by Apple and even if they do like is it is it a big deal that these 
     
     
  
 
 
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     features or these apps are like held back because you know most people don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really care about things like today widgets that can fire app actions and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that sort of thing so at least my two senses that I will concede that this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sort of a problem that is limited to a certain slice of the App Store and a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     certain slice of customers of the App Store but I would argue that it is part 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the market that Apple should pay attention to because we do have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     influence in you know the press and that we are the people who Apple needs to buy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the watch on day one and who will end up behind the watch on day one more than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     likely so while we are a small part of the market I would argue that we're an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     important one. I don't think normal people, my friends as I call them, I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think they care about the same apps that we care about. They don't use stuff like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Drafz or Peacalc. I mean there are people of course who use them but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just on average I don't see those kinds of you know more articulated apps on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on other people's home screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the ignorance doesn't make it right, just because the majority of customers on the App 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Store don't use the same apps that we do because we are more tech-savvy or we just like to... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, Steven, you run a website about comparing the best apps for the job. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because millions of people don't... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They just want the free utility from the App Store. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't want the best or the more powerful app, it doesn't mean that Apple shouldn't be paying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     attention to this problem, especially because when they have rules and when they don't follow 
     
     
  
 
 
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     those rules, that's just wrong, and when you come up with a stupid exception that's just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stupid, there's no excuse for the stupidity of some app store rejections. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if you want to make up rules as you go, I don't think that's a great idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think Apple should update the guidelines and clearly state "here's what we want you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to do, here's what you cannot do" because that's a new rule on the App Store. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think that releasing new iOS features just like they did with iOS 8 at WWDC and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then saying "yep, we have this feature but you cannot use it because otherwise we're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to reject you". 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think that's a great behavior from Apple, I don't think that's a great strategy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So even if people don't care about this, it doesn't mean that Apple shouldn't be better, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and hopefully next year they will be better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think, for myself, part of the problem that I see with this is the indie developers that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go through these problems end up being the people that set trends that the bigger apps 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So if you look at stuff like port-refresh or like x-coreback URLs, things that are used 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now by all the biggest apps because they end up setting trends or design features or just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     standard interaction methods that we get used to, these things were all pioneered by indie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     developers who were pushing the envelope and if Apple makes it harder and harder and harder 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for them it's going to stunt the development of the entire platform. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like you're going against the people who experiment and come up with all the ideas 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that eventually trickle down to more mainstream software. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I think it's extremely important to make sure that the people who like the pioneers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of software always get the best deal, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And that's really problematic, you know, for people like us because these are the apps 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that we use and that we love, and it's concerning to see a company releasing all these features 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then months later, even after approving these apps, coming up with all sorts of exceptions 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then you... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And even that's not necessarily the worst part for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The really bad part about these apps or rejections is first you approve an app and then you reject 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it and then the following day because the developer went to the press you accept the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It makes it seem like you don't know what you're doing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That makes Apple look weak, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And when they say, because they had this crazy weird blog post on the developer blog, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they were like, "Remember that the most effective way to appeal to a rejection is to use the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     app review board." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not true because when people went to the press, to TechCrunch and other blogs, that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was clearly the most effective way because it took less than 24 hours. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And there was a blog post from Panic where they say that because of these blog posts, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we managed to get transmit with the iCloud Drive feature back on the App Store. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So what you're saying on the developer blog sounds like an excuse because it's not true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Marco's take on it that it kind of sounded like a threat yeah it was kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of sound like a threat it's like a sort of like I don't know it sounds like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Godfather type thing you know yeah you know it's good for you an offer that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can refuse exactly yeah Phil Schiller's just outside someone's house 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with a baseball bat waiting for them to come out yeah we should we should move 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You come to me on the day that I reject your app? Speaking of app store 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rejections, our Myke's app, sort of, the wonderful tg-tweets had an issue 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with their icon and I actually had that thought in beta that he was using the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or Myke was using, not Myke, was using the Twitter bird in the logo and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     apparently Apple rejected it because it was a misleading use of the Twitter logo 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it looks like he's got a new one at least on his profile. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah somebody has saved the day and helped Danny out with a new logo but I just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thought it was interesting like "and now our apps rejected it!" Yeah! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah so you know it that's one thing I can understand you know kind of getting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     close to another brand but there's definitely silliness. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - But we failed as beta testers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because we should have done better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Stephen failed 'cause I haven't even noticed it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I thought about it but it didn't say anything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It just didn't tell anyone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like, oh, the app doesn't work on my phone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you'll work that out. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     - There's a new icon coming. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did you guys see the tweet from-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It looks good. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I didn't see the icon, I just saw the tweet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's his Twitter bio picture, the feather. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - The quill. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Oh, nice. - Yes, thank you, Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So, on occasion we have talked about photo management 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on our show. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know if you guys have noticed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Occasionally? - Occasionally. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, FU2 is about photos on iCloud.com, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     disappeared for a little while. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there's a link to the Mac observer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     basically Apple didn't say anything and iPhoto was, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or not iPhoto, Photos for iCloud. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that what we're calling it, Photos for iCloud? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that what Apple calls it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's very confusing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - iPhoto in iCloud. - Apple Photos in the cloud 
     
     
  
 
 
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     match in the cloud and-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - iPhoto in iCloud in iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - In the match. - Yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I think that's kind of weird, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's still in beta, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So if they took it down and put it back up, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I think that's whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was gonna ask you, Federico, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I meant to ask you, when we spoke about this a couple weeks ago, what does photos 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on iCloud match tunes? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What does that look like on OS X? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Do photos just show up in the iCloud drive in Finder or can you even access them at this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point from the Mac? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because the photos for OS X app is not out yet, of course. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So what's the experience like on your MacBook Air? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:26
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     Okay, you're going to hate me for this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:30
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:31
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     Because you're not running Yosemite. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:33
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     No, no, I am. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:35
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     I just didn't bother to look because I just look at pictures on my phone and my iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:40
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     You're in front of your MacBook Air right now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:44
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     Go to finder. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:45
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     Where I'm supposed to look, okay. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:48
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     There's no iCloud drive in my sidebar. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:50
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     It's called the iCloud photo library, by the way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:53
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     So do you have it on mic? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:55
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     Yes, I do actually. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:57
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     Okay, so what does it look like if you have... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:00
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     What does it look like on the Mac? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:01
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     ►  
     I have my iCloud drive and there's no... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:03
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     ►  
     There's no photos folder. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:04
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     ►  
     There's no photos folder, there's nothing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:08
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     ►  
     There's other apps that I use on iOS and the Mac, but no photos. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:12
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     ►  
     Okay, and the chat room is screaming that it's just in the browser, so it's on iOS and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:17
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     ►  
     the browser. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:18
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     ►  
     Yeah, I used the iCloud.com web app for the one time that I wanted to look at pictures 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:25
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     ►  
     on my Mac for some reason, probably because I was in a sort of Steven Hackett fugue state. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:33
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     I wanted to look at pictures. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:35
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     Yeah, because I mean, I'm taking pictures on my phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:37
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     ►  
     Why would I want to look at pictures on my Mac? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:40
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     ►  
     I mean, it's not like I use, I don't know, one of those widows that they use like FX 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:45
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     to do post-processing on photos, whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:47
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     ►  
     I just take pictures and save them and send them to my mom and my friends. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:52
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     ►  
     You know, I just don't process photos. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:54
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     ►  
     What does it mean to process photos? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:56
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     I have no, I have no idea what I'm doing with pictures. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:00
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     My photo library is currently being prepared. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:05
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     ►  
     It's preparing itself? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:06
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     ►  
     Yeah, it's currently preparing itself. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:09
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     ►  
     I don't know what that means. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:10
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     ►  
     Well, I've just logged in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:11
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     ►  
     Guys, you know when they show you, when there's people and they're excited to see, like, "Oh, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:18
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     ►  
     in this photo editing app, you can see all the curves and all the levels and I have no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:23
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     idea what that means." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:24
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     ►  
     That excites me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:25
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     ►  
     Yeah, I know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:26
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     I know that excites me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:29
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     ►  
     Sometimes I try to tweak those sliders and I mess up every time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:34
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     ►  
     And a picture turns all dark and gloomy and that sucks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:40
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     ►  
     I don't have any sort of photographic knowledge. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:45
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     ►  
     So I just take pictures and I save them on my phone and that's it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:48
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     ►  
     So I'm sorry, Steven, but I had no idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:52
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     ►  
     But it doesn't seem like they're available in the Finder. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:56
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     ►  
     So I've never looked online before and it practically looks just like what it does on iOS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:02
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     ►  
     Yeah, there's a screenshot in the chatroom from the wizard and it's just a grid of images. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:15:08
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     ►  
     So we'll add that to the show notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:15:13
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     ►  
     Where could people find the show notes? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:15
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     ►  
     Relay.fm/connect2/21 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:17
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     ►  
     Wow, you were all minimalistic. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:20
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     ►  
     So it's my new rethinking for 2015. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:24
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     ►  
     This is the new Zen. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:27
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     ►  
     I want to just give the people what they want as fast as they can take it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:33
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     That was really quick. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:34
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     ►  
     You just really gave it to them fast. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:37
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     ►  
     So follow up number three. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:39
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     We're almost halfway there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:42
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Last week during the show I promised that I would look up our show notes in my virtual 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:48
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     machine that is running Next Step, but my Next Step VM doesn't have a browser. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:53
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So if you are out there and you can help me install a browser in my Next Step VM, please 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:58
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     contact me because I would like to do that and to be fair I spent zero time looking into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:03
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     it but if you want to help me, get in touch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Is that because you failed? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It's because I forgot about it again. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:10
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     ►  
     You failed didn't you? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     You don't know how to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:16:14
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I didn't even look into how to do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:18
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     You don't just know though? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:20
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     ►  
     I don't just know. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:16:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I could do it in, you know, OS 8. So the next bit of follow-up, follow-up 4, follow-up IV, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     if you will, for doing Roman numerals. Myke, I want to toss this to you about Google and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Motorola numbers from last week. Did you read this link in on the New York Times? No. Okay. Well, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:44
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     there's a link in the New York Times about the Google and Motorola acquisition because I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     We goofed up the numbers, but it's hard to tell because it's all very confusing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:52
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     But if anybody did, it wasn't me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:54
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It was your segment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:56
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Nah, I don't think it was. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Okay, well apparently some numbers are weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:59
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     If you're upset, then go read that link, which you can find in the show notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Thank you very much to whoever sent that in. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Yeah, I don't know who sent that in. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:17:10
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     You really... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:11
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Follow-up IV was just a disaster, wasn't it? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:14
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It really was. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I'm really sorry. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Should we move on to-- - I'm sorry for you guys. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     You sound really sad. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:26
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - It's really coming off, we're 17 minutes in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and the wheels are just off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:30
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So the next three follow ups five, six and seven 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     are about our show notes in browsers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:37
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And the first one is in a homemade browser 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:41
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     that Will Richardson on Twitter apparently made a browser 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:45
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     when he was 14 and he used it to load our show notes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:48
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - So can he just make browsers these things? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:51
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - He did, it's called Meteor version 1.2 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:53
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and the show notes don't load very well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:55
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     but made his own browser so that's pretty cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:59
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Did he make it just so like, for us? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - If he's 14 now then yes, but I read it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     as if it were in past tense. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:18:10
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - He doesn't look like he's 14. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:18:14
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     The next the next couple links, it's just so weird, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:19
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     listener Brian loaded our show notes in a browser called 3B. Why is it 3B? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:25
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     What is that? It's your own personal 3D space. It's very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:32
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     strange. There's a link in the chat room to this. You should definitely go try it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     out. You guys lit up these dropper links so quick. Do you guys look at this? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Myke, did you know that the PlayStation Home thing where you control this little human 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:50
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     in a virtual space? The next step is to ask people to do stuff like open the relay website 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:58
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     in these virtual realities. And why is this guy wearing a shirt with all these hearts? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Because he loves us. So the first one, screenshot one, is looking at the connected page and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     And then, it's our Twitter pages. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     The person is wearing hearts. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I think that's really sweet. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:19
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Can you walk around while you're looking at show notes? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I think you can. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:22
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I didn't try to use the product because I didn't want to make my computer explode. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:27
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     But it looks so bad though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:29
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It's really weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:32
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Can you jump in the car and drive against the show notes? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Self-driving show notes is big at CES this year. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:42
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It's a thing, so that happened. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:44
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Well, it looks like it, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:19:48
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Oh my God. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I like the retro interface of this browser. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:54
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Like there's some parts of it, like screenshot three, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I don't even understand what's going on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:00
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Like what is that? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:02
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - What is the destination button? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:03
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     What does it do? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     There's a subway button? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - I don't know, it's very strange. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:09
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     - Can you take Korea into the subway? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:11
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     You can take an airport shuttle and go visit Analogue on the next page. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:15
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     There should have been a tube button just for Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:19
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Just for Myke. Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:23
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So the last piece of follow-up from Aaron on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:27
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Twitter. I'm going to mess up Aaron's last name so I'm just going to check it out and skip it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:31
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Of Relay FM loaded up in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Pixel Fari, which is Nevin Muren's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:39
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     browser that is basically real 8-bit so it's like a safari. I remember this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:45
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     yeah I totally forgot about it but it's super cool and it basically makes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:49
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     everything look like you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:50
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     nevin's games are an 8-bit so you have space age and the incident so it's kind 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:55
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     of that sort of look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:57
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I think it looks pretty cool and of course it loads relatively well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:01
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     there's a few issues in the navigation but overall works pretty well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I think it's great. yeah I like this this is cool 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:08
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So that's the follow up this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:12
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Well then it's probably about time for a sponsor. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:16
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     That sounds good to me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
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	 00:21:30
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     ►  
     When you're trying to think of an idea for a project or a site of yours or maybe you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     you're looking for some sort of joke to play on a friend, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:38
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     ►  
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	 00:21:41
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	 00:21:44
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	 00:21:48
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     ►  
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	 00:21:52
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     ►  
     .coffee, maybe you wanna buy like a federico.coffee, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:55
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     if you really want that, Hover is the place. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:57
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	 00:21:58
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     you just search what you're looking for. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:00
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     ►  
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	 00:22:02
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     ►  
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	 00:22:03
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     ►  
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	 00:22:04
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     They're gonna help you with some other suggestions 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     of some other domains with maybe using other TLDs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:09
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     or maybe using a combination of different words 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:11
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     and that kind of stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:13
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     They have really great pricing on all their domains 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:14
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	 00:22:19
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	 00:22:21
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     They have great, fantastic, awesome, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:24
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
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	 00:22:26
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     They have a no hold, no wait, no transfer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:27
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     telephone support policy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:29
     ◼ 
      
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     They're famous for this and there's a good reason why. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:31
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	 00:22:32
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	 00:22:33
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     ►  
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	 00:22:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
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	 00:22:38
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     FM. Thank you so much to Hover for their continued support of Connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Did you like the code Federico? Yeah it was really really really great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hover is on board with our movie. Well everybody is. Oh I mean yeah obviously. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We already received funding from a big Hollywood studio. Oh yeah I didn't know about this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did! I didn't tell you guys. Oh you did you got it all right yeah yeah as long as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As long as someone has it. Yeah, it was like one of those scenes from the from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Entourage, the the TV show. Never seen it. It's really great. Me neither. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that like Star Wars? Oh, come on! You don't get my pop culture references. That's a problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm sorry. Wait, what show am I on now? Yeah, I'm sorry to be the... Alright, so we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have some real-time follow-up from a friend of the show Doug Beal who's in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the chat room Doug Beale threw up connected on Emacs 24.4.1 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know what that means 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it's very exciting to see our site in black and white and aqua so that's also in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the show notes now so that is now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because it we scale it down on this oh I can't the file we use is much bigger than how it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is shown on the website because of programming. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anyways, topic zero, guys. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're going to talk about Hackintoshes. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     OK, topic zero is-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What year is this? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We've got like, Emacs and Pixel Fari and Hackintoshes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, this is 2015, guys. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     No, it's definitely 2006. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So this came up because listener Brian, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who exchanged some emails with me this week, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of asked our thoughts on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I thought it was an interesting topic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I too thought it was dead. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then I looked around a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and turns out, trademark, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Hackintoshes are totally still a thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just this week we had sort of serendipity. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did not make this happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But our sweet setup interview this week 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with Sebastian Green, dude runs a Hackintosh. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's inside a Power Mac G5 case 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is like big bonus points for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But he runs a Hackintosh. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Friend of a friend of mine in real life, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thomas Newton who writes Egg Freckles runs a Hackintosh. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And Lifehacker of all sites keeps an updated guide 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on building a Hackintosh. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like people still do this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know why, which is what I wanna talk about. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It sounds like you're looking for validation. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I'm not building a Hackintosh. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, not yet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have no interest. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's what all this is about, all this time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     He's been collecting all these old Macintoshes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Look at all these people doing Hackintoshes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Great guys, huh? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Huh, it's great guys, yeah? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And he's just winking. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, Hackintoshes, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What do you think? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We don't approve. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not doing it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But there are a bunch of links in the show notes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that if you want to do it, you could do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just don't, I don't understand, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I totally get the idea of like tinkering 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and like I want to build something myself 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and like there are definitely, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I understand that completely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I think there's advantages to like knowing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your own hardware like on a philosophical level 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it seems like such a giant pile of trouble. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't understand, this comes from somebody 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who I have done this in the past. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did it with, I didn't build one, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but I had back in 2009, first the HP Mini 1000 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then the Dell Mini 9 running OS X. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The Dell Mini 9 was like perfectly built to run OS X. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It ran leopard like out of the box just about. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I've done this and I know firsthand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that at least in 2009 it was a major pain. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Any update you had to like repatch or like change something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and maybe it's better now, but it definitely seems 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like a lot of work when Mac hardware is not that expensive these days like the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     prices have really come down you can get something really powerful for really not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that much money so I just don't I don't understand why this is still a thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can I just go back on something a moment please did you say knowing your hardware 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on a philosophical level I did say that yeah he did yes okay I think I just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't have to defend myself for the two of you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, you don't. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know what that means. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Let me defend Steven. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have to say that even if I want to make fun of his ideas on occasion, I do respect 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the challenge of a Hackintosh on a technological level. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's pretty cool knowing all the different components and how you can make OS X run on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a hardware it's not supposed to. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like it's not something that I ever ever do myself, but I understand why some people want 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I also think that in some countries where Apple prices get like a crazy crazy high for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some reason, whether it's taxes or like other fiscal things that I don't understand, I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it makes sense to make a Hackintosh. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I would never do one myself, but I understand and I think I respect the idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's pretty cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I wouldn't say a philosophical connection to my hardware, but overall I think it is 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Do you feel like you philosophically connect to your iPad Air 2? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh yeah, totally. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I understand. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What if you could hackintosh and run iOS? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Oh, that'd be weird." 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, and your price point competition is a good one, the one that I didn't think about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I'm a silly American. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just thought it was interesting because I looked into it and people are still doing 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And so I thought it was just interesting to bring up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really am not going to do one. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Talking about weird Mac hardware. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We should get into this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Tell us, Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Along with some other scoops last night, Scoop Machine, Mark Gurman, at 9to5Mac, posted a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     surprising piece about a completely new MacBook Air at the 12 inch screen size, completely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rethought in the way it's designed with a bunch of different changes like keyboard spacing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     using speaker grill fans and a trackpad with no clicking area and just like no I/O of any 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind really just like two holes in the side loads of really interesting and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very surprising changes to push the MacBook Air further down its you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     down its road it's like eventual road of becoming this incredibly thin 
     
     
  
 
 
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     incredibly light like incredibly incredibly thin piece of hardware so we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should talk about it yeah can I can I can I put forward my crazy theory first 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     Is it possible that this is a Mac that runs on ARM chip? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     I saw some people tweeting about that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that's definitely a possibility, especially... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is another chapter in a long-running rumor, and for a while, those rumors included 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it would be fanless. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Now, you can run... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There's Intel Ultrabooks, and they run without fans, but I think the ARM thing is definitely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a possibility here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think that is part of a lot of other questions that I have. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have nothing but questions about this machine at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, it would kind of make sense in a way, because it's doing a bunch of other weird 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So it may as well be so radically different, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I don't know, the Retina MacBook Pro did a bunch of really weird stuff because 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was so different and the same was like the original MacBook Air as well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like there were some fundamental changes and I guess the fundamental change here 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would be runs on ARM and doesn't have any ports except one USB port right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They're like fundamentally different and they priced them in such a way to like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     scare most people off but you know pricing is a whole other thing but go 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on Steven let's start looking at some of your questions. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Okay so let's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     start with the the port issue so according to this rumor it's gonna have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     headphone port on one side and a USB C which if you're not familiar you should 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:16
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     look at this link USB C is actually really similar to a lightning connector 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's reversible it's really small and according to these images it's the only 
     
     
  
 
 
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     port on the machine now I didn't even think about it until Chuck's go down 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Twitter earlier or just a little while ago was like Apple watch has magnetic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     charging why wouldn't this have some sort of like snap-on magnetic charger so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like maybe that would be good like I don't want to have to unplug something 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to charge my computer but one port even if like charging isn't through that port 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:50
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     which USB C could could charge a machine like this really pushes this into iOS 
     
     
  
 
 
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     territory in the I/O you know like an iPad has one connector and a headphone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     jack. Do you know I hadn't really thought of that? That hadn't crossed my mind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mind. The Apple watch angle? No, not that it's... That it's an iPad? It's what an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iPad has, like it's... you don't plug anything into it, like you just don't do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah it's um... Do you reckon that, I mean this is another thought that I'm just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     having randomly, do you reckon that like the charger would have I/O? So the again 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think looking at the iPad, the iPad has a HDMI like adapter so you can instead of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     AirPlay you can plug HDMI right into the iPad and that adapter has a lightning 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it had a 30 pin now has a lightning connector on it so you can charge and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get power in and HDMI out at the same time and it definitely leads to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     questions of dongles or docks or what if this thing only has one port you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:56
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     even on a MacBook Air but especially on a MacBook Air but even on a MacBook Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:00
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     like my bag is full of dongles I have Ethernet, 5Y800, you know VGA, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:06
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     DVI, like all these things because I'm out and about and my MacBook Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:11
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     basically just has USB and Thunderbolt and HDMI but even then I'm adapting all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the time so to a degree I think Mac users are used to this but the the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     alternative is and I wrote it in all capital letters in my show notes of OMG 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:27
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     PowerBook Duo like what if what if this thing does come with a dock of some sort 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you can put in your bag and it has all these ports I don't think Apple's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna do that. I think it's like the worst idea ever if they do. Like I need to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I need to I need to hear Apple's... if this is true I need to hear the marketing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:45
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     because like one port is is crazy making. Like for example for me like I have my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my keyboard that I use because I use this the Microsoft keyboard with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     hole in the middle that I can't remember the name of now. I have to plug a little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     USB dongle in for it to work. I don't know why. I don't know why they can't use Bluetooth like everybody else 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you have to use this little dongle. So I wouldn't even be able to use my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keyboard if I want to charge, right? So that's... let alone like maybe I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     plug in my iPhone, maybe I want to plug in anything like a hard drive. The idea 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I would then have to take like a dock in my bag kind of undoes the idea 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of portability. Laptops are portable. I totally agree. So having to carry around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more so I can use my portable machine, the whole point, all you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doing is taking the weight that you're taking out of the machine and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     adding it into something you have to carry with you anyway. So what's the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point? I get that if you're on a plane it might be fine and it makes it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     awesome for that and you plug it in but I don't think that, I think that's too 
     
     
  
 
 
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     narrow in the thinking. A laptop you take to the coffee shop 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or you take downstairs or you know it's just the idea is you move it around and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if I have to carry around a bunch of cables and dock with me just so I can 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have two USB ports that I can use whilst I'm charging I don't know if that's if I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would want that like I can't see why I would want that yeah and and maybe the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     marketing angle is hey this thing gets crazy if it's on arm maybe this thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gets like all day battery life or two day battery life yeah something insane 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and so Apple's argument is you don't need it I mean if you need to like sync 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your phone lol you don't need to do that anymore if Stephen is the sink his iPod 
     
     
  
 
 
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     classic you can do that but you know he doesn't need to really like carry a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     charger around around with him but that I agree with you Myke is sort of thin 
     
     
  
 
 
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     reasoning and it inevitably like these machines if this is true like people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna be carrying around a lot of extra stuff potentially and I don't know if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple like wants people to do that or not. But like then I think I think this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is like our version of the removal of the zip drive or like the removal of the floppy drive. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Powering USB at the same time is important for like a lot of things. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah but it's you know it's that idea that like if you know the idea being if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you think about previous times is Apple has a vision for where they want to take 
     
     
  
 
 
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     machines but first they have to have the first one and then from that they change 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the way that we use our computers right there if you think about it in those 
     
     
  
 
 
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     terms like if you look at look use hindsight right this might be that one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so we look at it as being crazy and I'm like setting my hair on fire and running 
     
     
  
 
 
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     around my room because I see them having one USB port but it's just the same as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everything else that they've ever done but you know it but it's hard to see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right now but you know I hope that they're not I mean yeah I hope they're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not just hobbling the machine because they want to make it really thin really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     light you could put two on this you could put two you could put two right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there could be two. I would imagine that if this is real there's got to be two. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The ports just don't sit don't sit right with me there's nothing I can't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think of a single advantage except thinness and lightness but if you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     already have the bus and everything one more port is not shouldn't be a big deal. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What's also interesting about this machine I think is the size so not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the thin necessarily but the fact that it's a 12 inch model that that raises a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot of questions. You know Apple sells an 11.6 inch MacBook Air. I just bought one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for my wife last month and I will say compared that machine compared to this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mythical MacBook Air the new one looks so much better like the 11 inch MacBook 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doesn't look good. No, it's ugly. The bezel is humongous and it's like 16 the ratio of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     screen is weird so it's really short and really wide. But I tell you what I like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about this though this is a 12 inch laptop like 12 inch screen laptop that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     smaller than the 11. Does his thing say that? Yeah the physical size is a quarter 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of a quarter or three quarters of an inch smaller than the 11 inch. Yeah and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they're doing some things that harken back to the 12 inch powerbook 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with like the full width keyboard is definitely something that was on the 12 inch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     powerbook. Like a lot of things about this machine are really interesting to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me but going back to the size thing so is Apple going to sell a 11 inch MacBook 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a 12 inch like MacBook Air 2 and then a 13 inch MacBook Air like I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where this fits in line with the rest of the products and my my thought is and we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can surely argue about it that if this has retina which Gherman doesn't say if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it does or not but if it does I think this sits in between the current MacBook 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Airs and the MacBook Pro so you have the non retina 11 and 13 maybe their names 
     
     
  
 
 
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     change to just MacBook again, you have this machine in the middle, if it's Retina, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then you have the Pros. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That makes sense to me with the current landscape. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can I ask you guys a question? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Because I really don't understand. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What's with the obsession of making laptops thinner? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I mean, I cannot get it on a phone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I kinda understand it there because a phone is something that you hold in your hands all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the time and therefore having a more comfortable physical size really helps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I understand the argument for lightness in a laptop because you're carrying a laptop 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all the time so it's important to make it light. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But the crazy obsession with thinness at the expense, possibly because this is a rumor 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So we're speculating here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But at the expense of battery space, of I/O, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all these other compromises in this rumor, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is it really worth it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because just one port for the power adapter 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sounds crazy to me, like totally crazy, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on a completely different planet than removing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     DVD and you know, the other stuff that Apple does. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But making it like so thin that, I mean, I have a 2011 MacBook Air and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I still think it is crazy thin. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Am I wishing desperately for a thinner MacBook Air? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, but also I should note that I don't use my MacBook Air that much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:47
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     But still, I mean, is it really necessary to compromise everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that a Mac is great for, so having ports, having more battery life than a phone or an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iPad, is it really worth it just to be crazy thinner? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because it looks to me like a demonstration of finesse, of look how awesome we can make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:10
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     our MacBooks so thin and light, but do people really want that crazy thinness? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean I agree with you Federico, and it's the same argument we had with the iPhone 6, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if they get the thickness the same as before, like what does that mean battery life 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:42:27
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     I see it more, like it makes more sense to me on a mobile device. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:33
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     But a 12 inch laptop you can carry really in just about any bag, you can carry it very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     easily with you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if Apple is trying to make a super portable Mac, weight is a huge factor there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I moved recently from a MacBook Air to a MacBook Pro both in the 13 inch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Class but the pro is heavier and the pro is thicker and I do notice that in my bag 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so if this is all about portability 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And they can still get good battery life 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:02
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     Like there's no way this thing gets worse battery life than the current MacBook Air. Apple very rarely moves backwards in terms of battery life 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:09
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     So clearly they've been able to figure it out. And again, maybe that's ARM. Maybe that's that maybe it's not retina 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe it is. There's still too many unknowns, but I do think that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     battery life, I just don't see them moving backwards on that at this point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the thickness argument, like if you're gonna make it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lighter you're taking stuff out or you're making components smaller so you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     end up with more space so you may as well make the case thinner, right? In 
     
     
  
 
 
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     theory. But also like it is the traveling thing as Stephen said, you put it in a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bag right and it takes less space in your bag but also like a super thin 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:46
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     computer is a real marvel. I remember like the original MacBook Air 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:53
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     right it was like what is this thing and people buy it for that you know because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:59
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     you pick it up in the store and it's like this is like thinner than a book 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is crazy this is a computer and it's a good marketing tool. It's the same 
     
     
  
 
 
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     reason they make the phones thin like because they keep making them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:10
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     thinner because it looks good on the posters and you know because you can get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:14
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     the ginga it's hiding behind a pencil what what you know it's like it looks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:20
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     good. A laser cut pencil. It's sellable right it's sellable. It is and the the original 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mappo Gare is of course a really good way to think about this this computer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know I we talked about it last week or a couple weeks ago in our Q&A that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:34
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     know I had one for a short period and they got rid of it because the the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:38
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     performance was so bad and on the original MacBook Air that had everything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:41
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     to do with like they used an iPod hard drive and turns out running OS X on an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:45
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     iPod hard drive is miserable. But you know I remember when they I remember the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     keynote that they announced the MacBook Air in a little flip down door and it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:44:55
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     had micro DVI it's the only Apple laptop to ever ship with micro DVI so again in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:00
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     the world of adapters like if you own a first-gen MacBook Air you have this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:03
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     adapter you can ever use and I remember thinking like oh my god they have one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     USB port like what are you thinking and of course they rectified that later on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:11
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     but the world like the world dealt with the MacBook Air and a lot of people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:17
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     really like this that first-gen machine and like what I think this will be that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:22
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     first-gen machine came with a hefty price you know now the MacBook Air is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:26
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     base machine it's the bottom of the tier it's the cheap one but that was not the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:30
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     not the case when the original MacBook Air came out I don't remember how much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:33
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     it was but it was significantly more than a MacBook and so maybe maybe this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:37
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     machine is following that trajectory that yeah like there's trade-offs here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:40
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     but you're making those trade-offs to make your bag light and to keep a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:43
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     computer thin and if that interests you and we don't have the performance 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:49
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     problems of yesteryear because we're on SSD and and even you know we've we've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:53
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     made great strides and heat consumption and all these things then maybe this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:58
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     machine is like the fulfilled promise that the original MacBook Air couldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:01
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     deliver on. So to go back to the pricing discussion the question that you asked a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:06
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     ago, like where does this sit in the line? I think that this device, no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:10
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     matter whether it's cheaper or more expensive, will sit outside of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:15
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     MacBook Air line in the same way that the Retina MacBook Pros sat outside of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:19
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     MacBook Pro line. You know, it was like you went to the store and it was like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:22
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     MacBook Air, or like, so MacBook Pro, it'd be like MacBook Pro Retina display. I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:27
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     think it'd be like that. You've got MacBook Air and then MacBook Air with X or 12 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:31
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     inch MacBook Air, you know? And the Retina displays were more, like those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:35
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     Those machines were more, they sat above the line, and then slowly, I don't think, I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:39
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     know, I don't think you can buy a non-random APU perot anymore, I think they're all gone, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:44
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     but slowly took over, and I think you're right, I think that probably makes a lot of sense, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I think this will be more expensive, by the way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:51
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     So can I ask you another question? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:54
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     Because I'm, like, you guys know that I'm not so into Macs lately, but this is fascinating 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:47:03
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     Can we, if this rumor is true, that's always the basic introduction here, if this is true, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:11
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     can we extract some theories about the future of OS X from this type of MacBook? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:20
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     And I thought of two. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:23
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     One is that without many USB ports, I think people will rely even more on AirDrop and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:33
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     other Bluetooth and Wi-Fi transfer solutions for files, especially now that it's supported 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:40
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     on iOS and OS X. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:42
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     They can exchange files between the two of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:45
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     And the second one is that with a large trackpad, multi-touch gestures are still going to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:51
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     a thing on OS X. Is there anything else that we can assume about this? Because, I mean, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:58
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     a MacBook, it's cool, it's great, I mean, it's thin, and it's got this new keyboard, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:03
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     okay, well, whatever, right? I mean, it'll be amazing hardware, but how does it affect 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:09
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     the software if this is true? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:11
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     Well, I think there's even some going the other way that we've all said, everyone has 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:16
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     said Yosemite looks better on a red display but they sell a boat ton of MacBook Airs and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:22
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     so I think this can address I think the software may points to this even in that way and we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:27
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     should say before we move on that you totally can buy a 13 inch MacBook Pro with no display 
     
     
  
 
 
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     still it's it's still on sale today which seems silly but it's 1100 bucks so spend the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     extra hundred dollars and go right now I guess but um yeah I think I think it's really interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think about Federico and I think airdrop is definitely a big part of that again 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the original Macbook Air. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When it works. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah well there is that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     On the original MacBook Air in that keynote there's a slide that has a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     picture of an optical disc and just one word "Y" over the top of it and it in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that keynote as well Apple talked about streaming and that you could read 
     
     
  
 
 
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     download purchases from the iTunes store and they built the case that optical 
     
     
  
 
 
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     media is dead. This is the first computer we're shipping without an optical drive 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you don't need it because we have all these other things and I think this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     machine can follow in those footsteps and say you know what your iOS devices 
     
     
  
 
 
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     already don't need to sync with iTunes anymore. If you need to move files sure 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if you need gigabit Ethernet here's an adapter but if you don't need it you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just need AirDrop or peer-to-peer wireless it's already built in so you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't you don't need all the stuff that nerds want to hold on to. Okay how about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this if you can allow me to interrupt you Steven. Now that we have iCloud Drive 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and now that we have iCloud integration in mail you need fewer ways to exchange 
     
     
  
 
 
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     files with other people physically and we're gonna make iCloud Drive more like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Dropbox and you can easily store files in iCloud Drive and share them with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     people with a simple link instead of putting them on a USB dongle and giving the USB dongle 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to somebody else. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So can we, I think it's, I mean, I'm not sure, I think it would be crazy, but if the rumor 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is true and if Apple is crazy enough to really do this, I think that it's not too crazy on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     our end to assume that they're going to do some sort of new file store exchanging features, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     think removing the physical components means... because people are not gonna stop sharing files, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of course, if you take away... when you took away the DVD and the CD drive from people, they didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stop using files, they just moved the files from the CD and the DVD to the USB. If you take USB 
     
     
  
 
 
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     away from people, those files are gonna be used anyway, just in different ways. So does this mean 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Does it mean that Apple is going to rely even more on sorting files in the cloud? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if that's the case, is the cloud iCloud Drive? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And if that's the case, again, does it mean that iCloud Drive is getting new sharing features? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It got mail drop in Yosemite that I can email you a file of almost any size and it's using 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iCloud Drive in the background to move it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:25
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     But you still cannot create a shareable link just to iCloud Drive like you can in Dropbox. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is what I was saying before about like Apple creating a project that like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pays for the future. So they say like we want to do this, we need this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     device to do this, this is the future but it starts here. So that's why I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's priced high. Like I don't, you know, there's conjecture over whether 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:54
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     it costs more, costs less, like whether that's why they're doing X, Y, Z. I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:57
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     it's priced high because this is not a device for everyone because they are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     making some serious like because I think you know they'll be all crazy things they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:05
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     would do it will run hot right because there's no fans and it's gonna run hot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:09
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     right and they think that it won't but you'll get weird stuff that happens with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:13
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     it there's probably some things in there that maybe we don't even know about yet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:17
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     which are like super weird maybe the battery isn't any better than the Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:20
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     book yeah I mean like maybe it's just like well we're doing this now and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:23
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     over the time it will get better and better or like you know it would turn 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:26
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     out like and it runs on ARM and by the way you know everyone needs to recompile 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:31
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     their apps it's like you know you don't know what these kind of things are gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:34
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     be like Steven tell me if what I said was completely dumb about the about the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:40
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     ARM thing you've probably used some verb in a in a you know a strange way but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:46
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     they will get follow-up all right so let me ask this question because I just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:49
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     I just thought, now I said it, I'm interested in it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:52
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     If Apple use ARM chips, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:57
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     do people have to recompile their apps 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:59
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     in the same way they did for Intel? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:01
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     - Though they would need to be some sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fat binary system, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:05
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     like the transition from PowerPC to Intel. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:07
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     I mean, there will be a transition 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:09
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     because Intel code won't run natively on ARM. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:11
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     - Right, so that's the other thing, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:12
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     If this is an ARM device, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:14
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     then it's gonna be the start 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:16
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     of that transition device potentially. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:18
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     So, I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:20
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:21
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     But my point is like, this is a, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:24
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     ►  
     I see this as like the original MacBook Air, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:26
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     ►  
     unlike the first Retina MacBook Pro. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:28
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     It is a future facing device 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:31
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     ►  
     that Apple will price accordingly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:34
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     ►  
     - Does the Mac do backups in iCloud like you can on iOS? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:53:41
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     ►  
     - So maybe that's another possibility 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:42
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     ►  
     because if you take away USB, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:44
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     ►  
     what about, you know, time machine and, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:47
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     I don't know, just thinking that, I think Myke is right. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:51
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     ►  
     - You can do time machine to like a time capsule, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:53
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     ►  
     like wirelessly, like they're not gonna, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:56
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     ►  
     I can't ever see a world where Apple allows you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:59
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     ►  
     to backup 256 gigs of storage to the cloud. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:54:04
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     ►  
     - It's never gonna happen, it's just too much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:06
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     ►  
     - Oh, never say never, never say never. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:09
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     - It's never gonna happen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The reason I say that is because there is never a world 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:14
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     in which that becomes affordable, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:15
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     ►  
     because as Apple get the ability to store more and more, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:19
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     ►  
     hard drives just get bigger, or SSDs just get bigger. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:22
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     ►  
     So they move along together. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:25
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     ►  
     That's my theory on that anyway. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:26
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     ►  
     Yeah, but I think the idea of iCloud backup on iOS and the Mac 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:34
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     ►  
     is just fundamentally different. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:35
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     ►  
     I mean, you can restore from iCloud on iOS, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:38
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     ►  
     but it's definitely not the same as a time machine backup 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:42
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     ►  
     where you have history and versioning and all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:45
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     ►  
     these other things. I don't know, I don't like Tinder agreed that I don't think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:49
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     ►  
     Apple's gonna do that even if they did I don't think I would use it but um yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:54
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     ►  
     there's lots of questions but I think overall I think we're in agreement that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:57
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     ►  
     this this machine if it's real if this is what it is it's definitely going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:01
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     ►  
     move the bar you know move things forward in the notebook space in a big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:06
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     ►  
     way. So what do we think is this is this happening like does this seem does this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:14
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     ►  
     seem feasible I think yeah I think it does do we want to talk about the timing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:21
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     ►  
     at all no I mean I just did you see the post that we had on Mac stories today I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:27
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     ►  
     did I did and I linked to it but there was a bunch of arguing about that on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:32
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     ►  
     Twitter and I don't think Apple leaks things in 9 to 5 Mac on purpose I could 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:39
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     ►  
     be wrong but I don't see this being Apple PR speaking through Mark Gurman I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:43
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     ►  
     I don't see that either, but what I do see is like, there has been no other Apple news 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:50
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     ►  
     during CES week and that would be breaking a multi-year trend. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:53
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     So I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:55
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     I don't think that they would go to to German, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:59
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     ►  
     But it is still weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:00
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     Of all people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:01
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     Yeah, it is still weird because they haven't done anything else and that is the way Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:08
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     ►  
     has operated for years. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:09
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     ►  
     So I don't know what I think about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:11
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     Alright, should we take a break? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Alright so it's a new year and lots of people do new things in the new year but Federica 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:59
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     you've got some things in here that you're currently trying. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:02
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     ►  
     What's cooking? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:04
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     ►  
     So every year, after I recover from the New Year's Eve night, I sit down and it used to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:16
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     ►  
     be at my Macbook and now it's at my iPad, but I try to understand whether the software 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:22
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     ►  
     I'm running is still the best for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:25
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     So I try to use the occasion of a new year to re-evaluate some apps, some services that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:33
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     ►  
     that I pay for and I've been doing this for like three or four years now and every year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:39
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     ►  
     I discover something new. It's like those people who move furniture around, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:47
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     ►  
     just to see if maybe there's a better option. I know my mother is one of those people and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:52
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     ►  
     instead of moving furniture, I sign up for new web services. So I saved four, I think, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:03
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     ►  
     of these new apps and services that I'm trying. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:05
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     ►  
     So if you guys want, I can. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:07
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     I would like to discuss this with you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:11
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     ►  
     I want to hear it. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:59:13
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     ►  
     So the first one that I wanted to take a look at, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:17
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     not just because maybe it will turn into a Mac service 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:21
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     article, but just out of personal curiosity, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:24
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     was whether Instapaper was still the best read later app for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:31
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     ►  
     I have a complicated history with read later apps. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:35
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     ►  
     I used Instapaper for years. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:39
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     ►  
     Two years ago, I switched to Pocket. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:42
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     ►  
     Then from Pocket, I switched to Safari Reading List, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:46
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     ►  
     but I was missing Instapaper's text features too much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:49
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     ►  
     - Just all features. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:59:53
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     - Yeah, but especially the text presentation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:56
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     ►  
     and the friends network. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:58
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     ►  
     I don't, like, I know this is gonna sound really bad, like, I don't care about, um, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:06
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     ►  
     I'm trying to phrase this in the, in the last, in the least, uh, in the way that it will have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:14
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     ►  
     fewer consequences for me. I don't care about, uh... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:21
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     Just say it, say it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:22
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     I'm not a typography expert. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:24
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     Okay, you don't care about fonts is what you're saying? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:00:29
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     Like, I don't... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:31
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     What you're saying is... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:32
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     What he was afraid of, you just did. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
	 01:00:39
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     Okay, I'm not one of those people who spends time adjusting the margins and the font weight, the font size, and I want to have this serif and some serif... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:48
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     Not because I don't care, because it's like I'm arrogant. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:52
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     It's just that I don't understand and I don't think my... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:59
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     ►  
     like the way that I read requires these settings. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:03
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     It's like those people who taste wine and when they drink wine they want like the advanced glass 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's better for the type of wine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, like I don't understand. I just use a normal font. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:16
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     Anyway, I don't know what "normal" means, it's just the default one usually. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, probably. I don't know. No, I use the Serif one, the one with the little details. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:31
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     So, last year I was missing Instapaper's features too much, I switched back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:37
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     In the past few months, after putting together my must-have annual roundup for the apps that I use, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:44
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     I was wondering whether Instapaper really the best for me because I love the app. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just, you know, I think it is my, uh, it is 50% my duty and other 50% my curiosity 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:56
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     to see what Pocket has been doing. So I asked on Twitter, uh, about, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:03
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     what are you guys using for, uh, read later apps? And I received, I think like 300 replies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:10
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     and they were fairly evenly split between Instapaper and Pocket, with a few people using 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:16
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     Readability, it appears they are still around, and Pinboard and Safari Reading List and other apps 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:23
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     that I don't know, like there's one called Reading Pack, I think. Anyway, most people were using either 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:29
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     Instapaper or Pocket, so I was surprised actually to see, I thought that people who followed me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:37
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     would be more inclined to use Instapaper. But half of those people actually use Pocket. So, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:45
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     I was like, okay, maybe I should try Pocket again. So, I've been trying Pocket. I paid for a premium 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:50
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     account myself because I wanted to get the full experience. You know, when I try all these new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:57
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     apps, I want to go all in because I want to understand. And I gotta say, I kind of like it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:07
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     Like the first week I thought it was a placebo effect, you know, because this is new so it must be better, you know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:14
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     Like when you move furniture around again, it always looks better because it's new. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:19
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     But I've been using this for a couple of weeks now. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:24
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     Yeah, I'm happy to say. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:25
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     This never gets old. This is awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:27
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     So this has been, I think, week two or week three, the beginning of week three maybe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:32
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     I think it is pretty good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:35
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     good. The text parser is much better than Instapaper. I'm seeing less weirdness in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:43
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     way that Pocket parses articles on the web, like it supports captions for images better, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:50
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     and in general it's got less craft in the text. The way that articles flow in Pocket, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:01
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     less weird. It's not perfect, but it's less weird than InstaVapor. And I think that the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:08
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     presentation with images and like Pocket as a grid, like with previews of photos and thumbnails 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:15
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     for videos, I think it looks fantastic. And in general, I know this is going to sound 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:24
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     weird, but it seems that Pocket has been moving from a read-later solution to a more like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:30
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     a strange mix of "it's both read later" and like a bookmarking service because there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:38
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     a this thing called Pocket Premium which I don't see many people talking about but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:43
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     a like it's a basically a permanent storage solution for your Pocket archive. It archives 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:52
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     web pages so you can always... it's like the pinboard... what is it called? Like archival 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:59
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     account. It creates an offline copy of a web page and it also gives you advanced 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:06
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     search options and the ability to automatically assign tags to articles. So 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:12
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     it's basically bookmarking features into pocket and you pay like 50 bucks a year 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:17
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     and you also ensure that you know the usual stuff like you support the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:22
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     service and you make sure that it's going to be around in the future. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:26
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     So what I'm doing basically, and this is going to sound so confusing and so like people are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:31
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     going to be "what?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:33
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     I'm using Pocket as both a read-later and bookmarking system. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:38
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     So you're not using Pinboard? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:05:42
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     At least not in the past couple of weeks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:45
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     Because I go, I really go into these rabbit holes sometimes and I question everything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:52
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     about myself. And usually that everything is about software. And I know this is going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:57
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     to sound unnecessarily epic to people. But I do question, I do question everything because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:07
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     I want to I want to understand what I do. So yeah, I've been like, you know, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:13
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     I told you, I told you, you too, my my fellow podcasters, I told you that I use Twitter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:20
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     faves a lot, like whenever I see a link that I want to read or view in the future, I just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:27
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     give it a star. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:29
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     And since I started using Pocket, I actually just send everything to Pocket, so I'm using 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:33
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     the favorite feature just for actual favorites, like tweets that I like or that make me laugh, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:39
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     it's usually stuff from Kyle and Joe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:44
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     I actually used faves for faves and pocket for links and it's both for articles that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:50
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     I want to read but I actually also saved like tutorials and Python stuff into pocket. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:57
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     This is interesting, I want to see how it works out for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:01
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     Two things that I don't like, whenever you share an article, it shares the article with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:07
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     a short link, so I had to put together a workflow to resolve the link and use the original link 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:17
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     of an article because I don't like using the pocket.co short links. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:23
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     And it doesn't have highlights. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:25
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     I'm kinda missing highlights from Instapaper. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:28
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     I wasn't a huge user of highlights, but I do like the idea on principle. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:35
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     I want to be able to easily highlight text that I like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:39
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     So that's not in pocket. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:40
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     We'll see how it goes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:42
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     I'm optimistic because I think it's kind of different. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:46
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     And I wouldn't be too sad to just move from a dual system of bookmarks and read later 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:55
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     to just one system that sorts everything for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:58
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     Search is also pretty awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:01
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     But it's too soon. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:02
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     Yeah, I mean I've looked at Pocket, I looked at it last year for a little while and sort 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:07
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     of what you led with is why I stay with Instapaper. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:10
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     I just really prefer the reading experience but I think overall both are in really good 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:08:17
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     I think BetaWorks is in a really good job with Instapaper and I think Pocket's made 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:20
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     a lot of advancements and so it's good to have competition and I definitely use Instapaper 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:28
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     kind of the way you just talked about using Pocket where it's not just read it later stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:33
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     Sometimes I use Instapaper, even though I have a Pinboard account, just to stash something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:36
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     away or like, "Hey, I'm going to link to this this afternoon and just stick it in Instapaper," 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:41
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     which isn't great and leads to some noise in there, but the key is what works for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:49
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     I miss the Instapaper friends section a lot. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:54
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     I really like to see what like what Steven or Marco or Myke, I don't think you share 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:00
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     stuff on Instapaper because you don't read. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:09:04
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     I like to see what Steven does. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:05
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     It handles videos just fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:06
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     I just saved, I mean all the videos are on YouTube anyway, so I just use the YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:11
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     watch later function. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:12
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     Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:14
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     We don't believe you, Myke, but anyway. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:16
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     So what else is getting turned inside out for you, Federico? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:19
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     So I have an RSS problem and I realize it's an issue. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:27
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     I keep switching between RSS clients, probably because I have too much free time on my hands 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:34
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     sometimes, but also because I do it for the greater cause. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:40
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     That's my excuse for everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:44
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     So I'm looking for an RSS reader that allows me to see articles inside the folder, sorting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:54
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     them by popularity instead of date or name. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:00
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     And I don't think this exists. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:02
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     I know that Feedly does that to an extent when you go to the website. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:08
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     I think there's a popular filter on the homepage. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:12
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     And I, but I don't think that any other service has a popularity filter. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:18
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     So for context, I switched from Frit Wrangler to Fiddly last year, last summer, because, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:26
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     you know, for the same reason, it's just instead of switching in January, I switched in June 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:32
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     to get a better, a better understanding of what other people are using. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:38
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     I think it is a common geek mistake to get too entrenched in a single idea or belief. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:46
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     So I switched to Fiddly to see what was up with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:50
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     Also because two years ago I bought a lifetime Fiddly Pro subscription. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:55
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     Yeah, yeah, I know. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:57
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     It was like one of 5,000. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:59
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     So I think I got a pretty good deal because it was limited. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:03
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     But now you're forced to use it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:05
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     No, it's not that I'm forced. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:11:10
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     Let's say that maybe when I use it I don't feel bad, you know, because hey, I'm actually 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:11:17
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     So I switched to Feed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:28
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     my own here. We still haven't spoke about that cop. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:35
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     Yeah that's gonna be a whole episode. News readers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:39
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     Yes, last year I switched from Rangler to Feedly and I used Feedly first with Reader, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:46
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     then I switched to Newsyfy, which is a fantastic RSS reader for iOS. And I especially like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:51
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     then Newsyfy is fast and it lets you customize the way that you share articles. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:58
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     You can assign a single tap and hold on the article list to bring up the system share 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:04
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     sheet so you can send articles to extensions, which is nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:09
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     And the app is clean, polished, it's got a premium business model, which I think is really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:16
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     smart considering the modern app store. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:20
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     But now, I use Twitter lists a lot, and I use Nuzzle to catch up on Twitter and articles 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:29
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     that people share when I'm away. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:31
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     But now I'm wondering, okay, so RSS is my file system for news. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:37
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     And I want to be able to open RSS, depending on the time that I have, I want to see either 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:45
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     all articles from newest to oldest because that's just how I work. I know Steven that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:53
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     upsets you because it should be from oldest to newest. You were going to say that, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:59
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     No. I have stuff set newest to oldest. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:06
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     Oh yeah? I must be confused. I think that sometimes you used to say that. Anyway. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:14
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     Depending on the time that I have, I want to be able to look at articles, either all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:27
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     of them or just the popular ones. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:30
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     And yesterday I asked on Twitter, is there a way to sort tweets in a Twitter list by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:37
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     popularity based on retweets and faves? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:40
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     And it doesn't seem that there's a way to do that, but that would be pretty smart, you 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:13:44
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     And I think the problem is that Twitter doesn't care about lists or the list API. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:50
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     So my idea was, okay, maybe there's an RSS reader that does this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:56
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     So I was like, okay, I'm using Feedly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:59
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     Is there a way to do this in Feedly? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:01
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     I couldn't find a way to sort articles on popularity, whether it's how many people are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:06
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     reading these articles or maybe are sharing this article. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:09
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     So basically, I signed up in this, I had this realization. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:16
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     It was like when you're in the desert and you see water. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:21
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     And I signed up for NewsBlur. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:26
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     So this is an entirely different RSS service. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:31
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     Did you sign up for a lifetime account by any chance? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:35
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     No, but yeah, it was really cute. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:38
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     there's this single guy making this service and there's a picture of his dog 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:41
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     and it's like if you pay for the service you're gonna feed my dog for 12 days and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:46
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     I thought that was really cute and funny so I signed up... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:49
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     That sounds terrible though. Only 12 days! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:52
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     Yeah but there's 7,000 people using the pro service. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:56
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     Oh well then you only need to feed the dog, the dog's fed. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:59
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     So how many days is the dog gonna live if you do 7,000 for 12? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:03
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     Do you pay a year? What do you pay? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:05
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     You pay a year. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:06
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     Yeah, well that's more than... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:08
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     80,000 days! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:10
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     80,000 days! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:12
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     Yeah, see... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:13
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     That's 230 years! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:14
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     This dog is gonna live a lot with our food. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:17
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     Yeah, this dog's fine, man! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:19
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     Yes, she's fine! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:21
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     But anyway, the picture was really... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:23
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     The photo was really cute! 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:27
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     It's all it takes to put a picture of your dog and Federica will buy your service. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:15:33
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     There was also a problem for me with plaques. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:35
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     Every time they have an update, they share, like in the blog post, on the company blog, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:42
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     every time there's a new feature, they use a photo of the dog, like Berkeley, the Plex dog. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:49
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     And every time I see the Plex blog posts, I want to try out the new features just to feel a connection. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:57
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     Anyway, I'm just weird with dogs. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:01
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     So there was a picture of a dog and I signed that for NewsBlur, also because there's a real reason, not just a cutesy one. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     NewsBlur lets you... so it's ugly, okay? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It doesn't look really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pleasant. It looks like a Windows file system, slightly polished up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's kind of weird really looks like a dashboard for links. I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It lets you train the service 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
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     titles or authors in 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     So if you say, okay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want to see more of this topic or I want to see more of this author or I want to see less from this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     specific source. If you train the service with time, there's a focus mode in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     app. So you can view RSS articles, there's three sections, ALL which shows 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you all articles, UNREAD which shows you new stuff and FOCUS which shows you the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     important stuff. So my idea was, okay, if I train this service enough, maybe one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     day I will be able to to open the app and go to the focus mode and I will see 
     
     
  
 
 
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     all the important stuff. But then again, if I train this service, it is not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to be about popularity. It is going to be about the stuff that I instruct 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the service to look for. So it's not strictly about the number of shares and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the number of hits that an article gets. It's just about keywords and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuff. So we'll see. I don't know because NewsBlur also has comments, which is kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     weird you can comment in an RSS reader because it's kind of like a social 
     
     
  
 
 
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     platform you can follow people there. Search is like it's crazy fast. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was able to find RSS articles from 2011 in two seconds. It goes way way back in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     years. I don't know how to do it. I guess that when you give it a subscription it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tries to load as many articles in the past as possible. That's kind of cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     silly, it does look pretty terrible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:17
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     Yeah, I checked it out right after Google Reader died. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I looked at a lot of services, and it's definitely not real pretty on the eyes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But if you use it with a third-party app, I guess you're sort of shielding yourself from that a little bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What do you guys use for iOS these days? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Feed Wrangler and Unread on my iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's the only service and app that I use. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:44
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     Yeah, I use Feedbin for the service and then Unread on iOS and Reader on the Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So there's no way to, at least in the apps that you guys use, there's no way to sort 
     
     
  
 
 
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     articles based on popularity in RSS? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:19:05
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     No, but I view something like Nuzzle, like Nuzzle for me kind of fills that need. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:10
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     I don't necessarily want to look at my news that way all the time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:13
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     So it's a kind of view that's separate from the way I read RSS, but maybe that's just 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     RSS and just getting news is not an important thing for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:23
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     I find out about everything I need to find out about through osmosis on Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:29
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     It just is there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:31
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     People are talking about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:32
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     I don't have a business which relies on news quickly. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:38
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     I don't need to post links and stuff like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:41
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     And pretty much all of the topics on the shows tend to be what everybody's talking about. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:49
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     So I have my last two items. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Zapier, it's basically an IFTTT for geeks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:01
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     I know that IFTTT is already for geeks. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:04
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     This is basically the more advanced version. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:07
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     This is for Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:09
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     - No, there's plenty of people using it, just not me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:12
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     Don't make me sound like the crazy person every time. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - You do a good job on Europe. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:20:20
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     - I looked at it actually a couple of weeks ago maybe, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:23
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     and it seems really crazy. - It's crazy. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:20:28
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     So it's a web automation. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can connect multiple services together. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:33
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     IFTT calls them like channels and recipes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:38
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     Zapier calls them like just I think apps and zaps. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:20:43
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     - Yeah, and actions, whatever. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:46
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     The terminology is kind of weird, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:48
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     but the functionality is amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:50
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     So you can do stuff like you can create conditions for IFS. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:55
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     You can, there's a free service that you're using 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:02
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     in combination with Zapier called the Zapier Email Parser, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:06
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     which looks for specific strings of text in emails, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:13
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     and it can extract that text and use it as a placeholder 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in other actions. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:22
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     You can do stuff like-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:25
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     it just offers more data when you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:27
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     trying to create an action. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:31
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     Like, it allows you to-- 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:33
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     like all the different tags and variables, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:37
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     it's just much more, more, more than IFTTT. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:41
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     You can create different, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:46
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     you can use different accounts for the same service. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:48
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     So you can connect like two Google Docs accounts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:51
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     or two Twitter accounts, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:53
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     and you can view a full history of all your actions 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:58
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     and whether they worked or not. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:01
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     And if they didn't work, you can, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:03
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     basically there's a debug mode 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:05
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     and you can understand why you're not, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:08
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     a piece of data is not getting from service A to service B. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:11
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     And in general, it's just a more advanced, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:16
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     it's basically IFTTT for power users. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:20
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     - It's also sort of expensive looking at this pricing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:24
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     - It is expensive. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:24
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     I'm paying 20 bucks a month to use this. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:27
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     So right now I'm doing stuff like, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:29
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     I can post to different Slack channels using email. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:37
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     That's kind of nice, but not like a must-have for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:40
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     What is a nice addition to my workflow 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:44
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     is I'm getting notifications in pushover, which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:49
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     is this notification iOS app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:52
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     Every time specific Twitter accounts or Apple's YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:57
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     channel or Apple's press release websites posts a new item, I get a notification on my device 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:07
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     and because I'm paying for the 20 bucks a month account, I'm getting those notifications in under 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:13
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     two minutes. They say 15 minutes, it's actually much much faster than that. I would like to have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:19
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     like to know that it's not gonna be 15 minutes because in my experience it's never 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:25
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     been 15 minutes. I'm also using other stuff like I get a notification every time our newsletter goes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:33
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     out on MailChimp. What else? I'm doing stuff to like save my RSS articles from Mac stories to a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:41
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     Google spreadsheet. So I'm kind of curious to see whether this... because I think I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:48
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     I stumbled across many limitations with IFTTT and I want to see whether my problem is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:56
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     lack of options in IFTTT or maybe that I just don't rely on web automation that much. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:04
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     I just wanted to shake things up a bit and see what's up with my web automation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:13
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     You guys use IFTTT? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:14
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     No, I mean, not really. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:18
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     There are a couple of things that IFTTT does for me, but I don't use it as such. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:25
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     Like, it's not something that I'm always adding to, like Workflow, which I love. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:31
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     Yeah, I play with it, but I don't rely on it for anything on any regular basis. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:40
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     I had some stuff like archiving to Evernote note, like Twitter favorites to Evernote, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:45
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     that sort of thing, a while ago, but I sort of lost interest in it and I don't think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:50
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     I have anything running currently. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:52
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     Right then gentlemen, do you have anything else you'd like to add on this week's 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:24:57
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     Or are we good? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:58
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     Are we good to bring it home? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:00
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     I think we're good, Myke. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:02
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     I do want to say one thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:03
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     I don't have the new fav animation that everybody has on Twitter. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:07
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     I don't have it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:08
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     Like, I don't know why my app's up today. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:09
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     - Are you using Twitter on the iPhone? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:11
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     - Yeah. - The iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:12
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     Are you sure? - Yes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:13
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     Am I sure I'm using it on the iPhone? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:15
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     No, I'm using it on my Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:16
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     Of course it's my iPhone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:18
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     I don't have the animation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:19
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     I have the art animation. - This is your punishment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:21
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     This is your punishment. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:22
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     - Twitter A/B test things even within their own app. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:25
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     So maybe you're just not in the test group. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:26
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     - So I'm in like the B group, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:28
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     like the B minus minus group. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:30
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     Everyone's like, "I love this animation." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:32
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     I'm like, "What are you talking about? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:33
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     "It's just the same as it was before." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:34
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     There you go. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:35
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     - And you're sure you updated the app? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:37
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     100% I even deleted it and reinstalled it. Wow. You really wanted it. I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:41
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     Don't know why I'm not getting it. The animation is so good Myke. I know everybody I've seen gifts 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:47
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     I've seen gifts. You really gotta see them in action, man. It's so good. I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:53
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     Can't wait until Twitter does something you hate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:56
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     Seems impossible 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:02
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     Thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of Connected. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:05
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     You can find the show notes at relay.fm/connected/21. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:09
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     Thanks so much to our sponsors this week, our friends over at Hover and LootCrate. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:13
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     If you want to find us online, I am at imike, I-M-Y-K-E. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:16
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     Federico is @vittici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I, and Steven is @ismh. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:21
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     Steven writes the fantastic 512 pixels .net, and Federico writes thegreatmaxstories.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:27
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     And I host many shows at relay.fm, which you can find at relay.fm. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:31
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     And thanks so much for listening, we'll be back. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:33
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     Say goodbye, boys. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:34
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     Adios amigos. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:26:35
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     Adios amigos. Bye!