24: A Whole Website in the Palm of Your Hand
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My name is Myke Hurley and I have the absolute pleasure today of being joined by my colleagues,
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Mr. Steven Hackett.
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Hello, Steven.
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Hello, guys.
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And Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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Federico, big day for you today.
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Yeah, I'm so excited today.
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It feels like it's the episode I've been waiting for.
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I'm starting to wonder if the iPad, the anniversary of the iPad, should just be your birthday.
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Yeah, I was just about to say, this is like doing a special episode about my birthday.
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It's like the Queen of the United Kingdom, she has two birthdays.
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She has her official birthday and then a birthday that she just celebrates.
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So maybe you should have that.
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Wow, she's lucky.
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Because she can?
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Just because she can, yeah.
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So January 27th should just be Federico Vittigii Day.
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That's what I want. - I like it.
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- So today, of course, we are celebrating
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five years of the iPad.
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A long time listeners of the three of us
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may remember that on the iPhone's birthday,
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episode 30 of our previous show, "The Prompt,"
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we did a kind of play-by-play and a recap
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of the iPhone's introduction on its anniversary.
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And here we are today, after five years of the iPad,
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we're looking back at the iPads introduction.
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And we're going to talk about that a bit today.
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So when you built this OS, this multi-touch gestural OS
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for fingers, you didn't do it in a tablet right away.
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You did it in the phone.
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What was the-- I mean, did you consider doing a tablet
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when you did the iPhone?
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Or was it just a natural progression?
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The iPhone came out.
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It was a big hit.
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I'll actually tell you kind of a secret.
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I actually started on a tablet first.
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And I had this idea of being able to get rid of the keyboard,
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type on a multi-touch glass display.
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And I asked our folks, could we come up with a multi-touch display?
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That we could type on, I could rest my hands on and actually type on.
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And about six months later they called me in and showed me this prototype display.
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And it was amazing.
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And I gave it to one of our guys.
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This was in the early 90s.
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I mean early 2000s.
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And I gave it to one of our other really brilliant UI folks.
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And he called me back a few weeks later and he had inertial scrolling working.
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And a few other things.
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were thinking about building a phone at that time and when I saw the rubber band
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inertial scrolling and a few of the other things I thought it my god we can
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build a phone out of this and I put the tablet project on the shelf because the
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phone was more important and we went took the next several years and did the
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iPhone. And when we got our wind back and thought we could take on something next,
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pulled the tablet off the shelf, took everything we learned from the phone,
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went back to work on the tablet. So that clip is from from June of 2010, so about
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about six months after the iPad was introduced but only three or four months
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after it had actually shipped. And it's interesting, you know, Apple, especially
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especially the Steve Jobs Apple, wasn't big on telling behind the scenes stuff or historical
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stuff, but then you have Jobs talking about in the scene review that an internal team
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was working on a multi-touch keyboard and they decided to put it on a shelf and use
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an iPhone first and then come back to it.
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It's a very interesting look behind the curtain a little bit and one that I think is pretty
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interesting you know that that he's willing to say hey you know what like
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this we we have this idea it spawned this other better idea for the phone and
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then after the phone came out we decided to circle back to this so I think that's
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that's really fascinating do you think that he intended to tell that story I
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don't think Steve Jobs was tricked into saying anything I like nothing he was
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tricked but like he decided on stage like I'm gonna tell this story or do you
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think like he'd planned ahead to tell it? I just wonder like because it just seems
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so... he might be doing a good job of it but it just feels like really off the
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cuff. He's like "oh I'll tell you a secret". It seemed like the kind of guy who would
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decide on stage to tell stories to people. Yeah I agree, we don't know. There's
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also this article from 2008 about the iPhone from wired. It's a very
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popular article about how the iPhone blew up the wireless industry and basically, according
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to the article, in 2005 Steve Jobs felt really confident about building this phone from this
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multi-touch technology that some team at Apple had been working for a tablet PC.
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So we get a little more detail from this article about just the timeline because Steve Jobs
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never... I mean he says in the early 2000s, according to Wired, that was going on in 2005
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when he saw the first prototypes of multi-touch and he decided to keep working with multi-touch
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but on the phone. So about two years of development time between the first prototypes and the
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final iPhone.
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Seems crazy fast.
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Because Apple bought a company, didn't they?
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Fingerworks.
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Which I think had a lot of this technology that they then put into this device.
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Whatever it was going to be.
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So I think that looking at that process is so interesting to me.
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In that clip, Steve says, "Oh, and the phone was of a higher priority at that time, so
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we decided to put it on the shelf."
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It makes it sound less magic because it's kind of, "Oh, we worked out a new business
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And I don't know, there was something about it and it was like, "Oh, but doesn't Apple
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just make things with unicorns and stuff?
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Like you have business priorities and product roadmaps?"
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And it's like, "No, Steve, you're a hippie."
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This is also when Apple is working with Motorola on the iTunes phone.
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Never forget boys, never forget.
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It's not like Steve isn't thinking about phones, it's just maybe they realized that the Motorola
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iTunes phone was really, yeah, you know.
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I'm pretty sure Steven, Steven do you have a rocker in your closet?
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My brother had its sequel, they did one called the Sliver I think that had the same thing,
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yeah the Sliver 7.
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shockingly ever written about the rocker, but it was so bad.
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And clearly Apple, right, there is that idea, I think when we look at Apple, that sometimes
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these things are just sparked into life.
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But very clearly, for Steve Jobs to say, "Oh my God, we can do a phone with this," that
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idea, that had to have been percolating somewhere, even if it was just within Steve Jobs' brain.
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We know now, due to the book and some other things, that there were multiple phone projects
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and one was kind of iPod based and one was kind of more of what we came to know as the
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And very clearly this work by this team on this multi-touch is what set the course for
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so many things.
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I mean even the MacBook Pros that are sitting in front of us in the MacBook Airs, they even
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use multi-touch on the trackpad.
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Very clearly this technology has just spread and was so, obviously in hindsight, monumentally
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important to the last decade of Apple products that we've enjoyed.
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But it's interesting and like now, currently we're talking about this 12 inch MacBook Air,
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But leading up to the tablet there was a whole bunch of reporting on rumors and people hearing
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things about the iPad, about the tablet project.
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I mean all the way back to like 2001, right Federico?
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Yeah, so I've been collecting all the rumors that led up to the announcement of the iPad.
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So I started going back in time, basically, and reading all these old articles and reports
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So this is before, just to offer some context, this is before the huge popularity of the
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This is before the iPhone in many instances.
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And this is before the Apple rumor scene sort of evolved into the next level with 9to5Mac
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and Mark Gurman and all these names.
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Like the rumor seen then was just like people just predicting for a lot of it, right?
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This is what I think will happen.
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It's not like it is now.
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Yeah, it's before 9to5Mac, it's before all these different components coming out of China
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every day, basically showing photos of Apple devices.
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So in 2001, as Steven said, Kevin Fox, I think the guy used to work at Google, he had a post
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about the... basically a future Mac tablet, which was kinda the idea, right?
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Because there were Windows tablet PCs and of course people were saying "Yeah, Apple
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should do a Mac tablet".
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So it's predicting basically that Apple will do this tablet running OS X with no CD drive,
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but with dual speakers, USB ports and 5 hour battery life, wireless connectivity, it'll
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costs $1,000.
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So these are pretty much standard speculation.
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What's really interesting that it's
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that nine years before the actual iPad announcement,
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Kevin Fox used the name iPad in his theories.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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Kind of surprising.
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And I confirmed by going back with the Internet Archive,
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the Wayback Machine, it's not that he changed the post
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in 2010 just to pretend that he's cool and is like a wizard.
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He actually did use the name iPad.
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So congrats to the guy, I guess.
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- You know what he does as well.
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He even does the Apple thing, right?
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He doesn't call, he doesn't say meet the iPad.
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It's like meet iPad.
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You know, like the way that they name them
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that I hate so much.
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Like it's too weird. - Yeah, it's the worst.
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- It's too weird that he was able to do this.
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'Cause so much of that is spot on
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and it's so far, like before?
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- Yeah, he even gets the resolution
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of the original screen right.
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I mean, it's crazy.
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I mean, this guy might be able to time travel,
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but you remember in 2001 too,
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like this is not that long after the Newton-Mettets demise.
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You know, the Newton was canned in February of 1998.
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And yes, I knew that before looking it up.
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- Ta'ud on his inside bicep.
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yeah and so it's you know to say that it's going to be a Mac tablet you know
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the Newton ran Newton OS totally different operating system from from the
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classic Mac or OS X and for so you know 2001 the transition to OS X is well
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underway for him to say hey it's going to be a Mac tablet not only is that
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impressive in hindsight but he's saying you know what it needs to run OS X it
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does not need to run this crazy like Newton OS that had all these weird
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paradigms and handwriting recognition and like crazy stuff. I mean the Newton still
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is like insane, some of the technical details. But he's saying this needs to be a Macintosh
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that is a tablet, which is a thread, like that Mac tablet thread follows these rumors
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through the next decade.
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And in a way the iPad will run OS X. But still. 2002 Steve Jobs interview with the International
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Harold Tribune, this newspaper is asking about tablet PCs and Steve Jobs says that he doesn't
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believe, he's not sure that tablet PCs will be successful and he says, this is really
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interesting actually, he says that the tablet PC market has turned into a notebook where
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you can write on.
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And he asks, "Do you want to handwrite all your email?"
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So it's not that Steve Jobs is dismissing the idea of the tablet entirely.
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He's basically saying the current crop of tablet PCs, they're just like notebooks with
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handwriting features.
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Like the Newton was.
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Yes, exactly.
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It's interesting because...
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He canned it.
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He canned the Newton.
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And of course we couldn't find the original link to the interview but there's a MacRumors
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article from 2002 because MacRumors has been running for a long time.
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So to set the scene of this, tablet PCs at the time, they ran a modified version of Windows
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XP but for all intents and purposes it was just Windows XP and it just had an inbuilt
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recognition but the touch, like the touch screen, all the touch interface was resistive
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touch screens so they all needed styluses to use with any efficiency and they used like
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handwriting recognition in some instances to like turn writing into text but you know
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we all know how bad that's always been like even today it's hard enough to get it to work
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that kind of stuff so in 2002 it was even worse.
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I kind of want to handwrite my email and just see what happens.
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You should just write all of your email in paper and just send people PNGs.
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Just like you just get handwritten notes from you.
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You know a friend of mine, we were talking a few days ago, and he told me that he got
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a job for this guy who basically doesn't use a computer and is basically his assistant
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now and he told me that this man wants his email to be printed on paper.
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So when he needs to reply to email, he prints out the email from the computer and he brings
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the email to this person who handwrites a response at the bottom of the sheet of paper
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and then my friend has to digitize the response into the email app.
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Your friend has a terrible job.
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Yes, I told you that.
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It sounds really awful.
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He's a computer butler, basically.
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So, 2002, 2003, I'm just going through these rumors, guys, because there's a whole lot
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of rumors here.
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Ian Betteridge, talking about an article that made the rounds in the Apple blog scene.
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It was an article originally posted by Matthew Rothenberg, and basically the author was suggesting,
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a Mac tablet running OS X and according to this specific rumor, Apple was going to use
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the Inkwell technology.
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I'm pretty sure Steven you know this, Mac OS X Jaguar, Inkwell was the handwriting recognition
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system created by Apple?
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Oh yeah, again it's Newton based.
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to this specific rumor coming in macro 2003 it's an 8 inch iPod basically that runs OS
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So yeah, 2003 Robert Cringley, this is a well known name, there's the link of the original
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post at pbs.org, according to Cringley it's going to be of course another tablet from
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Apple and he says the tablet PC killer app for the mass market is functioning
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as a digital hub he has a bunch of theories about this Apple tablet playing
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being connected to the living room with the Macs and iPods and according to
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Cringely it's coming at Macworld 2004 so he was way ahead yeah it was it was a
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Anyway, I don't want to poke fun at these guys.
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Just context.
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Well, I mean, I guess we have eight years of knowledge on them.
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But what's interesting about that article in particular is the digital hub was a strategy
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put forth by Steve Jobs in the early 2000s that the computer and his argument was the
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Mac was going to be the digital hub of things like music, photos, and video.
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And so that was sort of the banner under which iLife was introduced and, you know, say we
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have FireWire so you can put your home camcorder in here.
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We'll have a link to the video where Jobs announces that.
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And so to say that the tablet is going to become that just a few years after Jobs said
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the Mac was going to be it is, you know, sort of like buzzwordy in hindsight.
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But even today, there are articles recently saying that iOS is becoming that, or the cloud
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is becoming that.
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And so the Digital Hub one just kind of jumped out at me a little bit as being an interesting
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conversation piece.
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There will be an incredible amount of links for this week's episode, and if you do want
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to follow along, either check your podcast app of choice, or point your internet browser
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over at relay.fm/connected/24, which is where you will find those links.
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2004 guys, and it's the time for patents.
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And of course, as we're adding new Apple product, the company files just any idea they have.
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The first instance I could find in 2004, a filing made in May of that year for a handheld
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computer and the filing has sketches of what looks basically like an iBook, which used
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to be Apple's line of computers, not the ebook reading app that we'll cover in a bit.
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It looks like a notebook without the body of the computer.
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It's totally a mod book, bro. We love the mod book, our friends.
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Oh yeah, it's Steven's favorite device.
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So just to offer more context, this is the time in 2004 when Steve Jobs is downplaying rumors of a new Apple PDA,
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and where everybody, as we said, is talking about this OS X tablet coming with FireWire and USB ports but no CD.
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because people have actually been talking about the death of the CD for a long time.
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So that part of the rumor scene was accurate.
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There's not going to be a CD drive in the Apple tablet.
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2005, more patents from Apple.
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There's sketches of people holding a tablet.
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It looks like a thick iPad.
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So there's that.
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And 2006, more patents, this time for Apple MultiPoint Touchscreen tablet patent.
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And also another one about gestures.
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So I found this one interesting because there's a bunch of gestures in this filing that actually
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ended up in the iPad.
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There's a pinch open, pinch close, and then there's of course other crazy stuff like a
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dial interface that basically you put the fingers on the screen and there's like a dial
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that you rotate.
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It's like a software version of the click wheel or, and I'm sure Steven you will remember
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this. There used to be an old Mac app called Sapiens. Do you remember that? It was like
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an application launcher with like a dial on screen. And it was I think free and open source
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maybe? Anyway, it's like a software click wheel. So we never ended up getting that.
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Man, I love the pictures, the drawings of the fingers in this. It's so weird. Like what
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- What is that left hand doing?
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Like it's wrapped around and there's like
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an additional finger coming in from the other side.
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Like what is going on?
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- It's just hanging out, man.
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- 2007 Christmas scene, a mock-up
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of what the Apple tablet could be.
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So this is after the iPhone.
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So at this point we're starting to see these weird mesh ups
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of Apple tablet concepts running OS 10
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and also parts of iPhone OS, some sort of hybrid device.
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According to Chris Messina, he's been thinking about this new Apple tablet, and it is going
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to feature a pure software keyboard.
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I managed to find his original gallery of mockups on Flickr.
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And a couple of things that I found...
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You're like a detective, Federico.
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It's also called creeping.
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a couple of things that I liked. He's arguing about dashboard widgets based on CSS and web
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technologies. So yeah, we only had to wait for iOS 8 to get widgets and also dashboard.
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LOL, am I right, Steven? Hey.
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And there's a mock-up, there's a mock-up guys of CoverFlow. Remember that guy from OS X?
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I have no idea why CoverFlow still exists.
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Is there still CoverFlow?
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I generally don't know whether CoverFlow is still around.
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I actually didn't know either, so I have a Yosemite machine in front of me.
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It does still exist.
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And it's still terrible.
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It is terrible.
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It's only useful for scanning through images in a folder.
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Why does this exist?
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No, thumbnail views way better.
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So I don't know if you remember this, but at one point, Asus helped Apple making the
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I do remember this.
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This is 2007, an article from CNET.co.uk.
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So this is from your people, Myke.
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We get all the best scoops.
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Yeah, Asus is helping Apple making the tablet.
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So we arrive in 2008, there's from Apple Insider, rumors of a Safari Pad.
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This is again after the iPhone, so after people have seen a mobile version of a Safari running
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on smartphones, and the iPod Touch also.
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Let's not forget the iPod Touch.
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According to this particular rumor, the Apple tablet, or the Safari Pad as they call it,
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It is going to be a big iPod touch, and it looks like, according to this article from
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Apple Insider, the New York Times reporter who inquired Steve Jobs about this tablet
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project at Apple, it sounds like Steve Jobs snapped at this guy because he asked this
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question instead of asking about the MacBook Air. So also a bit of gossip, sounds really
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interesting. 2009.
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I like the name SafariPad.
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SafariPad, yeah.
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You can see where it came from, because we're going to get to it, but even in the keynote,
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most of the time, the software, he is looking at Safari, and kind of the pitch is, you know,
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You have the internet sort of right here.
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And so you could see how SafariPad kind of could come into someone's mind.
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Internet communicator, bro.
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And also, again, people two years before the iPad already saying it's a big iPod touch.
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So it's not like it came out of nothing.
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April 2009, Steve Jobs is now on medical leave from the company, and the Wall Street Journal
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says that Apple is working on new iPhone models and also a new portable device that is smaller
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than laptops but also bigger than the iPhone and the iPod touch.
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Also this is probably my favorite part of this entire compilation of rumors.
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May 2009, Gene Master, way before his obsession with the Apple television, he said that the
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The Apple tablet, which many other pundits and rumor blogs were saying was coming later
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in 2009, Gene Master actually predicted that the Apple tablet would cost between $500 and
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$700 and that it was coming in the first half of 2010, so the following year.
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I was really happy for Gene in reading that he was once correct.
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Maybe this is why like anybody still pays attention to him today because that one time
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he nailed it, you know, and he might do it again, so...
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I mean, if you keep saying the TV's coming at some point, could be right.
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Yeah, Federico, did you check that he hadn't said that every year since '94 though?
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Like I just want to double check that.
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No, I didn't.
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Okay, so who knows?
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He could have been saying it for ages.
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Right after Gene Master, I want to talk about this other analyst called Steven Hackett.
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Not familiar with that guy.
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Discussing the Apple tablet.
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Steven, do you want to tell me what were you thinking about?
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Because you're actually correct.
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It's not like you're making crazy predictions in here.
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It's just you sound a little old.
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I do sound a little old.
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idea of running OS X on a touch screen like there are things that are attractive about
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that I think to this day especially dealing with some of the more powerful applications
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like something like Adobe Illustrator where there's not a real alternative to that on
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iOS there's some things that kind of get there and so that was I think my thought at the
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time of it'd be great to see OS X apps but the reality like I said in 2009 was that this
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This is going to run App Store and at the time 2009 App Store equaled iOS, App Store
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And so, yeah, but again, I think someone put in the show notes that I was sort of, that
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sort of hints at again the idea of being an iPod touch, a bigger iPod touch, having the
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same functionality of the iPhone as opposed to the Mac or even something in between.
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As you were saying, I'm already taking my iPhone with me in meetings and I'm doing work
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stuff, so if I can have a bigger screen than the iPhone, it's going to be even better.
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So yeah, the idea was accurate.
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So now I'm going to start using precise dates, because these are the months and the weeks
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leading up to the iPad announcement.
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September 28th 2009, iLounge, talking about the Apple tablet, they say it is going to
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be called the iPad, it is going to be a 10 inch device, there's going to be different
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models for 3G and Wi-Fi and it'll run iPhone OS.
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New York Times, October 5, 2009, talking about the tablet PC market in general.
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According to the New York Times, Apple has been working on this Swiss Army knife tablet
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since at least 2003, so even before the 2005 date that Wired reported in the article.
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But basically these tablets that Apple was making had problems with the battery and the
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performance wasn't good.
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So they were using PowerPC microchips made by IBM initially, and the New York Times has
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details from these previous Apple engineers, and according to multiple stories they report
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in the piece.
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One that really stands out is that Steve Jobs commenting on tablets.
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At one point at Apple he asked whether tablets were any good besides surfing the web in the
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To be fair, I don't know about you guys, but my iPad is really good at that.
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Just saying.
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Just saying, just throwing that out there.
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So as usual, Steve Jobs, visionary.
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Late 2009, this is really when rumors start intensifying every day, there's a new rumor
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every day, there's a new theory.
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I was around, I just started writing max stories a few months before, so I was really into
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you know, this whole "let's follow Apple rumors" thing, and it was crazy.
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December 23, 2009, just before Christmas, Boygenius claiming that there's going to be
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100% a 7-inch iPad, a 7-inch tablet coming definitely next year.
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So this is kind of awkward.
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December 29th, 2009, isolate.com, a domain name registered by Apple, is found, and it's
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found of all people by this kid, this teenager called Mark Gurman.
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So this is his first scoop about Apple rumors and Apple devices.
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It's interesting because a lot of people were saying, "Yeah, it's going to be isolate.
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It's going to be the name of the device."
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And of course, yeah, what do you guys think about that name?
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I don't think...
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I've always thought it was weird.
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Yeah, but I mean, we can maybe talk about this later, but I still don't like iPad, but
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I actually don't think iPad is much better than Isolate.
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I think neither of them are very good.
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Didn't Microsoft respond by announcing a bunch of Slate...
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Slate branded tablets, but then they didn't go anywhere?
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I think it was HP stuff at CES. They did it twice. They announced it and then the next year announced it again
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Because it never shipped
00:32:07
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Yeah, yeah, I've got a link to a gizmodo talking about it
00:32:10
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That's like you pivot and use that name and then I wonder if isolate was the name and then Apple changed it
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It's interesting to kind of think about what could have been could have been there anyways
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Same day December 29 2009
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Big day for rumors, man.
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That was the day.
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I found a clip from a new segment on TV, MSNBC.
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Let's just play the clip.
00:32:39
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Let's talk about Apple.
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What are you hearing about this new tablet, Isolate?
00:32:43
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We've been going back and forth on this whole tablet idea for at least six or eight months
00:32:48
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There's always new rumors, new ideas, new speculation.
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The latest is that they're going to have an event in late January where they may or may
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not unveil this tablet which may or may not be a 10 inch kind of touchscreen device that
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may be kind of a big iPod touch or kind of a stripped down tablet sized MacBook.
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Federico Vittucci, huge fan of MSNBC.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm watching every day from Italy.
00:33:09
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Cataloging for future use.
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So you can see it's just a big iPod touch already.
00:33:16
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It's a thing as people were saying.
00:33:18
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It's going to be just a bigger iPod Touch and there's excitement and all that, but people
00:33:26
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want to understand what the tablet is going to be and a big iPod Touch makes sense to
00:33:32
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Are we going to talk about the big iPod Touch thing later because I have opinions?
00:33:38
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Save your opinions for later.
00:33:41
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You keep your mouth shut, boy, this is my rumor segment.
00:33:44
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I promise, we're getting to the main event.
00:33:51
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During Fireball, I don't know if you know this website, John Gruber had two really nice
00:33:57
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articles about the iPad, and as it was called, the Apple tablet before the announcement,
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and John, as usual, was correct in saying that the tablet was going to be Apple's
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reconception of personal computing.
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So yeah, this is when speculation about the iPad was really really strong and intensifying
00:34:20
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And John also talks about, you know, is the iPad going to run Flash, is the iPad going,
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you know, Safari and plugins and all this other stuff, we're going to talk about it
00:34:31
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We enter 2010, January 8th, after the holidays, the New York Times is back with rumors and
00:34:40
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they say that the Apple tablet will have lots of gestures, because according to conversations
00:34:45
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with several former Apple engineers, Apple has been working on this new, and they say
00:34:51
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somewhat complex, new vocabulary of finger gestures to control the tablet.
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And as you said a few minutes ago Myke, it seemed like these gestures were going to be
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powered by the acquisition in 2007 of a company called Fingerworks.
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And according to the New York Times, there's going to be an Apple event at the end of the
00:35:18
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And of course, 10 days later, on January 18th, 2010, Apple sent invitations for a media event
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selected members of the press and the invitation read "Come see our latest creation" there
00:35:35
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is a copy of the invitation graphics and gadget and make sure to read Joshua Topolski's theories
00:35:45
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about the meaning of the invitation.
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That's always funny.
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CBS January 27, 2010, the morning of the Apple event.
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Let's play the clip.
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six to nine hundred dollars an internet provider could be Verizon could be AT&T
00:36:09
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we're hearing a lot of speculation on both potentially open but you know we're
00:36:12
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gonna wait and see this afternoon as they say alright and then maybe we'll
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know a little bit more that we can really pick your brain Apple's gonna have to
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shock and awe with this one. That guy, that guy. What you don't see, what you will not getting from
00:36:30
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from the podcast, from this audio, is the mock-ups that he decided to show for the iPad.
00:36:37
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So this is just a few hours before the event, and he decided to show this crazy mock-up
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of an iPad with a weird keyboard, and actually not an iPad, an Apple tablet with this weird
00:36:52
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keyboard and all these different theories, and he says, "Yeah, people have been having
00:36:56
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fun with Photoshop."
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- Well, like he shows one with a scroll wheel.
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And like at this point we have the iPhone,
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we know that we don't need a scroll wheel anymore.
00:37:08
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- That's the best part of it really, I think.
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Is that mock up.
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- You know what's really strange?
00:37:14
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It's that 13 hours before the event,
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the iPad actually leaked.
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There were pictures taking,
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we don't know by where or how,
00:37:27
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pictures surfaced on these Chinese forums. I think the forum board was weiphone.com.
00:37:36
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And it was pictures of these iPad units into some kind of enclosure, like some sort of
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security enclosure on a desk running the Google Maps application. And this was crazy because
00:37:51
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Because I remember clearly I was on Twitter, I was waiting for the Apple event, and Gadget,
00:37:57
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I remember, in fact I used the Twitter link from Nielai Patel, back when he used to work
00:38:04
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with Joshua Topolski and Gadget, when he tweeted, and people were saying, "Yeah, this is it,
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this is it."
00:38:12
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And it's so weird because there's the Apple event in 12 hours, and we have pictures of
00:38:17
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what really looks like an Apple tablet.
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You know, it's got this curve back, it's made of aluminum, and it's running this bigger
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but also different version of iPhone OS.
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And it was crazy.
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I remember like people on Twitter and on Apple blogs before they went, this was crazy.
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I bet that this is coming from people that were testing, like the demo companies, you
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know, the companies like EA or whatever that come on to demo.
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Because like it's all locked down, right?
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So it's like, because you don't need to see it.
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Because we've heard stories like that in the past, right?
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Where they just kind of take you in
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and they hide the way that it looks
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and they just lock it down
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and all you can see is this screen.
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Like I can't think of where it's come from
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off the top of my head,
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but I know that there's been stories like that, you know?
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- It kind of looks like if the army built
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an OtterBox case for an iPad,
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like this is what it would be.
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I mean, the thing like, you gotta click on the link.
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It's like in a metal iPad sandwich and it has, I don't know,
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two dozen screws holding it down.
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Like it's really crazy.
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- I love that they screw it like that
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because it's like, are they leaving anybody
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in the room on their own with that?
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I don't think so.
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- Well, my favorite part about this in hindsight
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is that it has an iPhone 4 sitting on top of it.
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- Yes, oh my God, so good, yeah.
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- I mean, very clearly, like now that we know
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what the iPhone 4 would look like,
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clearly not a 3G or 3GS sitting on top of this device,
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very clearly an iPhone 4.
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So maybe it was a pre-production in the factory type thing,
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but that's well before the iPhone 4 shipped.
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- Where's the iPhone 4?
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I don't see that.
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Oh yeah, there it is.
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That's crazy.
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- Yeah, I know.
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- It's really nuts.
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- Let me tell you this story.
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Let me tell you this.
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Back when, because a few months after this,
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Gizmodo did the whole,
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we stole the, we bought the stolen iPhone 4 thing.
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Remember that story?
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- Yeah, of course it is.
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So when Gizmodo posted the original article "This is the iPhone 4"
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It took like people a few days and then I don't remember who did it
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but basically someone on Twitter was like "Actually, you know, remember the old iPad pictures? There was the iPhone 4 in there."
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So people realized after a few days after Gizmodo ran the piece and it was just crazy.
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These iPad pictures, it was like a whole story with consequences and people kept talking about it, even with the iPhone 4.
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So yeah, I would pay, I think I would pay, not much, you know, because I don't have the kind of savings,
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but I would pay to know the story behind these iPad pictures.
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Let's wait for the follow-up next week and see what happens.
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Yeah, we'll probably get some crazy story about secret agents and stuff like that.
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It's the army, bro. It's the army. We love that.
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We're now at the point where people are waiting on Twitter, people are following live blogs,
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and there's going to be an Apple event. And there's going to be Steve Jobs and all the
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the Apple gang, walking on stage to announce, we don't know what.
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There's a call for invitation graphics, there's banners at the Yerba Buena Center.
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And yeah, this is the context, this is the rumors and the theories that Apple was about
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to either confirm or deny.
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The stage is set.
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We want to kick off 2010 by introducing a truly magical and revolutionary product today.
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this keynote again when we were preparing for this, I had a jolt of emotion and it was
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an emotion that I remember that I had at the time because Steve Jobs comes out on the stage
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and he looks like a completely different person because he'd been away for a long time.
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Steven, how long had Steve been away?
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You know, I actually looked, I was looking at the timeline.
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I couldn't really piece it together but I didn't look all that hard either.
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But I mean, 2010 he's been in and out at least once.
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For the music plant in September, I think.
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Yeah, I think that's the event where he comes out on stage and there's a slide that says,
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"Rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated," which is pretty awesome.
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And he puts his blood pressure at one point up on the slide.
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But yeah, this is sort of in that era of Steve had been sick and what we know now was sick
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again. People are starting to get worried now, right? Like this is the time. I think
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you've been on, was he on his extended leave of absence or whatever they call it at that
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point? It's in this, it's before this, but yeah, this is all kind of in that time period.
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Myke, I had a very similar reaction. In fact, I've watched it about a week ago and rewatched
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it last night with my wife and I told Mary, I was like, you know, it was weird for me
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to watch this, not only because I hadn't watched any Steve Jobs video in a while, I'd forgotten
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some of his mannerisms, but very clearly was having a hard time with some stuff.
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That's immediately tamped down by the fact that he's so excited.
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He is into the meat of this event in six minutes.
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He's obviously pumped very clearly.
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We saw with Tim Cook this past year with the watch, the watch is very clearly Tim Cook's
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was very clearly Steve Jobs baby and you see that Wren all over his face the second he starts talking about it.
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Yeah, because it's like, you know, as we've learned from the like the other clips and the other stuff
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we've been talking about, like the iPhone was a fantastic success and you know, he'd brought that to the fore
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but like the iPad had been Steve's idea like
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years and years before, you know, so it's like for him
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it's like finally I got this out there and as well, you know, we don't know what your state of mind was like at this point.
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He may have been, you know,
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understanding what was going on in his life and
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Kind of is a bit morbid but like kind of happy that he was able to to get it done, you know
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Yeah, maybe I mean
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And that's a bit I love how I love how every time and this is I guess it's a special especially
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Noticeable when when it's a big event
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Like he walks on stage and he sets the tone for what the day is going to be like and then it's like I've just got
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a few updates. And everybody's like chuckling before because everybody's waiting for the
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main announcement and it's got slides with numbers. And yeah, it's always funny.
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What's, you know, most of these numbers, iPod totals, number of stores, like it's kind of
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funny now to see how much Apple has grown. But when I watched this for the first time
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last week, I literally laughed out loud. He's showing a picture of an Apple store and he's
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like it's before it's open he's like it'll never look this good again the
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idea that Jobs like really liked the stores until people were in them and
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ruined them really made me laugh. It's like wow you guys like why can't we just leave them closed like
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people just look in them. Yeah it's it's a really pretty museum you know I think
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the most interesting one to the three of us at least is the at this point about
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About 18 months after the App Store launched, it had just passed 3 billion downloads with
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140,000 apps in the store.
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Federico, do you know what those numbers are currently?
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How many apps are in the store?
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1.4 million apps.
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I'm not sure about the number of downloads.
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So just move that decimal point over in that number.
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It's weird too to think about, we'll get into the software in a minute, but how early this
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really was in the App Store.
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The first iPad shipped with iPhone OS 3.
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The iPad really, in hindsight, came pretty quickly after the phone, and I think these
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numbers kind of reminded me of that a little bit.
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Yeah, it was like the second generation of the App Store is what it shipped with, because
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we got the App Store in OS 2.
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It's quite interesting to put that into context.
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The App Store hadn't been around very long.
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It was doing well, but it was new.
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And so many people were saying, "Oh, we don't know if the iPad is going to launch with an
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App Store right away."
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Because people had the president of the iPhone, which launched without an App Store, which
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was released as a software update after developers had the time to actually buy an iPhone and
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test the SDK on it.
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So I remember a few people were saying, maybe we won't get an SDK right away, and we will
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have to buy an iPad and just actually test software on a physical iPad.
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Other people were saying, no, because Apple learned from the past, they're going to offer
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development tools right away, and we will just have to figure it out in Xcode.
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really the App Store didn't ship until it shipped alongside MobileMe and the
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iPhone 3G so I mean it wasn't until we had the second hardware, the
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first hardware revision I should say, until we got the App Store and
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that's one of those things that we look at these things in hindsight and that
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sort of thought of "oh you know it won't have an App Store on day one" like very
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clearly in hindsight a dumb idea.
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You look and see where Apple was and you know now it's easy right?
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easy to sit here like years later and say well clearly the trajectory you know
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was that it would have had to have an app store. What is interesting though in
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this part of the keynote I want to see what you guys think about this because
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you know having watched this a couple times recently this part still like
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rubs me the wrong way a little bit so Jobs is up there and he's pitching
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that Apple is the biggest mobile device company in the world and he counts
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iPhones, iPods, and then MacBooks. So he says most Macs are laptops, those are
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mobile devices. Because of that we're bigger than Sony, Samsung, and Nokia.
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I don't know why he felt he needed to do this. It's like puffing his chest out and
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making up numbers. That's effectively what he did. Because it's like, well, you
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can put an iMac in a truck so it's kind of mobile as well. It's kind of, I
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I don't know, I think it's kind of...
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I don't know why they felt they needed to do it.
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They felt like they had to legitimize themselves in some way on that day.
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I think that's why.
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I think that he did it because he wanted to say, "We're the biggest mobile device company
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and that automatically gives legitimacy to the tablet that I'm getting ready to introduce."
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But I still...
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And this is not a metric...
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I've watched a lot of Apple keynotes over the years.
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This is not a metric that Apple ever uses again.
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He says it this one time, in my mind it doesn't really land very well.
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And you know Apple says, you know later on, "Hey, you know we're the most profitable
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smartphone company, we have more mobile devices than anyone else."
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But never again does he link the Mac to this like mobile device category.
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And it's, I don't know, it just was weird to me in hindsight, you know, rewatching.
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And it kind of irritates me that it's talking about the Mac as a mobile device instead of
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a portable device.
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So technicality, he's trying to make an up-warm technicality.
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Yeah, but it just feels like he's trying to make a point and to force this point, because
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hey, we are bigger than these companies.
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And to me, it feels like one of those things that Steve Jobs, because he's from the old
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guard of people in the valley, they want to compare to these other companies and just
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like reinforce the fact that Apple is in the big leagues now and they can go against Sony
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and Samsung and Nokia.
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But like the thing is, in 2009, if there is a set of companies that Apple doesn't need
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to compare themselves against, it's these ones.
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Because at that point, none of these companies have credible answers to the iPhone.
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Especially Samsung.
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Well, Nokia.
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I was going to say, especially in Nokia.
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Nokia is the real trailing person at this point.
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Yeah, but at least they still sold a whole lot of phones.
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Yeah, they did.
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But it's like, if you were looking at what was the future, you know, you're looking at
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like, what's the...
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Yeah, but Samsung had a lot of...
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They did pretty well with cell phone sales, the same as Nokia did.
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Obviously nowhere near as good as Nokia.
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But it's just so weird that they felt that he had to like...
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It's just weird.
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But he kind of makes it past that and we get to the event itself.
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And I noticed when watching this, it was about six minutes into the event, which is about
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how long it took Tim Cook to get to the iPhone 6 at the watch event.
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Blowing through the previous stuff and getting right into the topic.
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And I for one, I love the reveal here.
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With the iPhone, very famously it was the three things that were really one thing.
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The widescreen, video iPod, the internet communicator, it's all one device.
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And here we have the image in the show notes, it's a quote from the Wall Street Journal
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that says, "Last time there was this much excitement about a tablet, it had some commandments
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written on it." It's a picture of Moses holding the Ten Commandments over his head with lightning
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shooting out of them. It's a kind of a funny way, it's like, "Hey, this is what we're going
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to be talking about today." And I think the longer he's gone, the more I realized that Jobs
00:54:40
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had a sense of humor when it came to this sort of thing. Like when the iPhone 4 was,
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the gizmodo thing he says you think you've seen this you ain't seen this and
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he plays the the songaday song with the with antenna gate and there is sort of a
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level of playfulness here and again I think that goes to that jobs is
00:54:58
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genuinely excited about this product because it has fingerprints all over it
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so he goes in and Steve Jobs knew I'd be watching and so he goes back to 1991 so
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he says we're going to a tablet and the next slide is a power book from 1991 and
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And he says Apple invented the modern laptop, which is interesting.
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Remember in 1991, Jobs isn't at Apple, Jobs isn't at Next.
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And he starts talking about these interfaces that Apple has pioneered.
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And remember he does the same thing in the iPhone keynote.
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He talks about the mouse, he talks about the click wheel, and then he talks about multi-touch.
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And he kind of does it again here, but in a little bit of a different way, which is
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interesting.
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How did that hit you guys?
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Neither of you were born in 1991, I don't think.
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I think I enjoyed the parallel to the iPhone keynote in this regard because I think what
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it does, and I think the reason it worked then and the reason that it works now is it
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shows that Apple is a company that is about refining and perfecting.
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So showing, oh, we looked at our historical devices,
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we looked at the things we've done in the past
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before we started thinking about what we would do
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in the future, because we took what worked
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and we took what didn't, and now we've made
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a better product out of it.
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'Cause it's like, I like that through all of these
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big product announcements that Steve did,
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with the iPhone and the iPad, he was drawing a lineage
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back to everything he's ever learned.
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And it's like, all of my experience to date has allowed us,
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and all of our experience to date,
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has allowed us to create this product.
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I like that.
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I will say last week I tweeted that I miss trackballs and people were like, "Trackball
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users are crazy.
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Don't mess with those guys."
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Because they were like, "No, trackballs are awesome.
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I have one on my desk."
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What's the name of those old laptops that used to have a little nub?
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Thinkpads, man.
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Thinkpads, they still have them.
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They still make them?
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I have one of the little, what were they actually called?
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- Trackpoint.
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- Yeah, so I had a Trackpoint and it had a Trackpad.
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This is so confusing.
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- Yeah, wow.
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Can I tell you guys a secret?
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Just me and you and the many, many people listening.
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I really like Thinkpads and I really like the Trackpoint.
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And if I were to run Windows, I would own a Thinkpad.
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- Well, Thinkpads were always the best.
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But I mean, the one that I had,
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the Trackpad worked terribly.
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The track point worked amazingly.
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I used to use it every day.
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It's super fast because you don't have to move your hands from the keyboard down to
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the trackpad.
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It's like it gathers up speed.
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It's awesome.
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This was actually an episode about the post PC era.
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We're going post post PC.
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Back to PCs again.
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So he moves from that.
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So like Myke, like you said, he sets the stage of look, we know what we're doing.
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We've been doing this for a long time.
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We have pioneered all this stuff.
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We are standing in a wealth of history.
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And he goes into sort of this conversation of the categories.
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So he sets the stage of, you know, we have smartphones and we have laptops.
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And everybody has a laptop and everyone has a smartphone.
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And is there room for a third device?
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And he lists off some tasks that a third category of product would have to be better at.
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Everybody uses a laptop and/or a smartphone.
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And the question has arisen lately.
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Is there room for a third category of device
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in the middle?
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Something that's between a laptop and a smartphone.
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And of course, we've pondered this question for years as well.
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The bar is pretty high.
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In order to really create a new category of devices,
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those devices are going to have to be far better at doing
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some key tasks.
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They're going to have to be far better at doing some really
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important things. Better than the laptop, better than the smartphone. What kind of
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tasks? Well, things like browsing the web. That's a pretty tall order. Something
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that's better at browsing the web than a laptop? Okay. Doing email, enjoying and
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sharing photographs, video, watching videos, enjoying your music collection,
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playing games, reading ebooks.
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So I don't know about you guys but Steve Jobs reading a grocery list of features
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isn't nearly as compelling as the pitch for the original iPhone.
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It's not as epic, that's for sure I think.
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Yeah, and you know these things, so he says, you know, internet email, like this whole list of like, I think it's seven things.
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He says that a tablet would need to be better at these things to be a viable product.
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And he uses those as the springboard to talk about the iPad and to talk about specifically
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why tablets are better than netbooks.
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I think for me this is the list of features, is the part that feels the oldest in this.
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When I see the slides and when I'm seeing Jobs talking about categories and specific
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features, it feels like it was a long time ago.
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It feels like it was an age before the explosion of smartphones like in popularity and I guess
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of mobile in general because this feels like it's trying to find all these different tasks
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that people want to do and it feels like it's a bit limiting, you know?
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Because people want to do everything, not just these seven features.
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And there's some stuff that feels old to me.
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When he's talking about enjoying your music, he doesn't say "listen to music", he says
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"enjoy your music collection".
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You hear that and you go "yeah, that's before music streaming, that's before all these other
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services that you use today".
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So even if five years is not a long time ago, in mobile I think, and especially for Apple,
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it feels like a decade ago, like two decades ago, it feels like a long time.
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And I think this list and this slide and the way that it presents these features, it feels
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And so he moves from these categories and he says, "Well, what about netbooks?
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are what some people say are the solution and he has an answer for that.
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If there's going to be a third category of device it's going to have to be
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better at these kinds of tasks than a laptop or a smartphone. Otherwise it has
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no reason for being. Now some people have thought that that's a netbook. The
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The problem is netbooks aren't better at anything.
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They're slow.
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They have low quality displays.
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And they run clunky old PC software.
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So they're not better than a laptop at anything.
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They're just cheaper.
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They're just cheap laptops.
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And we don't think that they're a third category device.
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So again, this is something we're five years on,
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like netbooks.
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We know now that netbooks are already fading that the iPad in many ways killed them even
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though Chromebooks are kind of a thing.
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Now we have the Chromebooks.
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Yeah, yeah, I've got one.
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I got one right here actually.
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And he attacks the speed, he attacks the bad screens, and he attacks what he calls clunky
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desktop software.
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So what Jobs has done in this section is he has set the bar for what a tablet, what his
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tablet needs to do software wise to be
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success and some hardware things that
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could set it apart and set it above
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netbooks and I think at least while the
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overall sale I think is weaker I think
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that he answers all these points as as
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we move forward but we think we've got
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something that is and we'd like to show
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it to you today for the first time and
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and we call it the iPad.
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(audience applauding)
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- I mean, I kind of already showed my hand
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at this a little bit, but I remember at the time
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thinking like, man, the iPad, like that just,
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and I know there were all those jokes
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and I don't really think we need to go into that,
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but I just don't think the iPad says anything.
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Like that name, it says nothing.
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Like iPhone, it's like, okay, I get it.
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It's like iPhone and then, you know, like book,
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you know, you kind of get it like MacBook, iBook,
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there was something about it,
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like it made sense to me in a way,
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like it's kind of like a book.
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Like what, like a pad of paper?
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Like what are we calling as a pad here?
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Like, I don't know, I'm not,
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I don't think slate was the right term.
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I think it was interesting when you brought up Federico,
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when John Gruber, like he, I believe he thought
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it was just gonna be called the tablet, right?
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The Apple tablet.
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- John Gruber and I think other people also really liked
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the idea of Apple Canvas as a name.
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- Canvas is actually quite nice.
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And I think if this was today,
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it would be called something like that
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because Mr. Cook's regime is moving away from I, right?
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You know, you've got like Apple Bay and et cetera, et cetera.
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So I think like if it was today's product,
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it might be called Canvas is a great name, actually.
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I think it shouldn't have had I.
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I think even then it was maybe that was a bit long in the tooth at that point.
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So the name, now it's like the iPad is the iPad and it's like the name means nothing,
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but even today when I think about it, when I think about that name, I'm kind of turned
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off by the name.
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You know, I think it's one of those things that I've sort of settled into it.
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I hated MacBook Pro as a name and now it's MacBook Pro with Red on Display.
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Like that's a whole sentence, that's not a name.
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But you know, as things age you just kind of get used to it.
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You know, I do think guys we need to take a moment here and we need to recognize someone
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who was in the crowd.
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Fistpump guy, if you remember from the iPhone keynote, I think he was sick maybe or he wasn't
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around but his cousin, Fistpump guy's cousin, he was here.
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I happen to have one right here.
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So the guy, you know, like this is, you know, Java's showing it for the first time.
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And I, at least I think Myke, you were as well, I was a little underwhelmed.
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Yeah, so right, okay.
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There is nothing this design, that this device could have looked like, other than what it
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looked like.
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There is nothing.
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how it needed to look. But the thing that I really didn't like the look of was the bezel
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or the bezel. I think it's called bezel. The bezel. Yeah, the bezel. It was really thick,
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like crazily thick. And I know that Apple kind of made a reason for it. But I think
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in later years they've shown that they don't believe that that was ever true. I think this
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is what we could do. Your iPad right now has like a piece of paper between the screen and
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the edge like that that thicker bazelle but I don't think is why are we
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calling it that? It's the correct pronunciation. They sold it as where you're gonna put your thumbs right like
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but they they have been able to slim it down first on the iPad mini and then on
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the iPad air because iOS can now sort of ignore exactly input yeah and so I think
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it was a thing where if they could have done it software wise they would have
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What about the iPhone at the time then?
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But I think the other...
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He's just ignoring my question.
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But the iPhone at the time didn't have bezels that were that thick.
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But you hold it differently, I think.
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I don't think so.
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That's what I'm trying to say.
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More of your thumb is on the screen.
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I think that part of it is that the iPad, and in this keynote, they show the iPad can
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be held in any direction.
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Myke, why don't you like the bezel?
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I just think it was too thick, man.
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And I think that designs today have shown that Apple agree with that.
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But anyway, I also didn't like the way that the home screen just looked like a big iPod
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or an iPhone and space is huge between them.
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I would like to register a complaint.
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Can I register a complaint?
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To this day, the very day, the iPad does not keep your icons in the same place when you
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rotate the screen.
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So if your instant paper icon is all the way on the right and then you turn it, sometimes
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it's on the left on the next row and that drives me insane.
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If you think that's bad, you need to take time for 6+ right?
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So 6+ you've got 4 icons across the top and then 7 down the side.
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You rotate that, right?
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Imagine what happens then.
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You've got seven across the top and four down the side.
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It is literally impossible to remember where that's going.
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I'm not a computer scientist or I'm not an engineer, but it really bothers me.
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I don't know.
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All throughout this, Jobs is rotating the device.
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In almost all the demos he says, "This is what it looks like in portrait.
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This is how it's in landscape."
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Can I just say one thing guys? I'm sorry. Because today, I mean, we have the iPad Air 2 and we've had like five years of iPad and we say that the iPad was really thick.
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But if I remember correctly, a lot of people were impressed with the thinness of the original iPad back then.
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And like, like, if you if you read all the reviews, they're like the iPad is super thin,
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which like it's doesn't make any sense today, because we have all these new devices.
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But I think back then, like, some people make is correct.
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Some people were complaining about the size of the bezel.
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And like, it's it's too wide.
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And, you know, those sorts of complaints.
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But the thinness of the device, I think it was it was like people were impressed.
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Yeah, and I think that, I think part of this is that we have seen in 2010, we've seen,
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you know, three iPhones at this point, and we kind of understand that iOS devices are
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a screen and then like everything required to power the screen but nothing more.
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And so the iPad was relatively simple looking, you know, I read a bunch of reviews of the
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original iPad over the last couple days and all of them are like, it's really like minimal,
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nothing here that doesn't need to be here and that I think leads to some of
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this of like you know what the original iPad and every iPad since is kind of boring to
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look at but it's that's not the point the point is that it's the screen and
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everything happens on the screen it's all about the the multi-touch glass and
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the rest of it is just has to be there and so that's the part that Apple keeps
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shaving off. So let's we're gonna come back to the hardware but but so job shows
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it up, he holds it up shows it and then he starts to talk about it and the
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brilliance of this keynote and the reason this keynote stands out most in
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my mind is the way that Jobs demos the iPad is in a big comfortable chair with
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a little table next to it. You know it's not standing at a desk he's not walking
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around the stage like he is with an iPhone or an iPod but he is sitting in
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chair his feet are up and he's he in that very like simple change to his
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presentation style he is conveying so much about what Apple viewed how Apple
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viewed the iPad as you know that someone has said it's not a lean forward device
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it's a lean back device and I think Jobs wanted to portray that this is a relaxed
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thing you don't have to be hunched over your desk you're not clutching it in the
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hand as you walk down the hall but you're you're at home and you're you're
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relaxed and the tablet just kind of sits in your lap and you can hold it and it's a very
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intimate device and that's a word that he comes back to as he moves through some of
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the software stuff.
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That was an intern's life that was made hell for like a month trying to find that right
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Oh I guarantee it, yeah that guy like rage quit.
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The original iPad was too heavy to hold it with one hand without your leg behind it so
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using these legs as a prop on the iPad. That's really smart in hindsight.
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Sick burn, bro.
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I mean, it was heavy.
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It was heavy. It was heavy.
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Yeah, so he gets into basically right off the bat, he starts with mobile Safari. And
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in hindsight makes obviously a ton of sense. And even in the iPhone keynote, they spend
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a lot of time on Safari saying, "Hey, look, this is the whole web. This is not some like
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janky browser on a Blackberry, but this is WebKit,
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this is the internet, you know.
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And he starts on that with the iPad,
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but in hindsight, it drags out a little bit.
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- Yeah, so we all had to watch this video
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in preparation for this show,
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and we all had to endure watching this,
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so you now get the pleasure of listening to it.
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And here we are right at the New York Times.
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You can see how fast it is.
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And I can just scroll around here
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and look at the whole front page of the New York Times.
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Anywhere I want to go, anything I want to make bigger,
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I can make bigger.
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If I want to go into a story, I can just touch it.
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And I go into that story.
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Back to the front page. And so I can browse around the New York Times so easily.
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It's really great. I go down here.
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See what's happening today?
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And again, just so easy to go into a story like this.
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See the photographs, read the story.
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It's that simple.
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During, whenever we watched it last night, my wife watched part of it, and I think this
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is about the time that she just got up and went to bed.
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It's so painful.
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Welcome to episode one of Steve Uses the Internet.
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It's just the worst.
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It's the worst.
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What's really convenient is that it's using this idea of holding the internet in your
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hands which is like a recurring theme in the whole keynote.
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What I don't like in hindsight in looking back at this video is that it is saying you
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can look at an entire webpage using the iPad.
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But of course in practice, once you got the device, in the demo Steve was using an iPad
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showing the New York Times website and it was not a retina iPad because it was the original
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iPad with standard resolution screen and it's zooming in and out of the webpage.
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So if you try to read something like the New York Times on the original iPad in portrait
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mode with no retina screen, it wasn't really super comfortable to read and you had to double
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tap to zoom into the small text on the Times webpage.
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It makes for a good demo because the camera shows the iPad from a distance but if you
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try to read the small text in practice you need to pinch and you need to double tap to
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zoom so I think Apple is clever to show a whole web page in portrait mode because it
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was the full web page, it just wasn't super comfortable to read.
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What's interesting in comparing this to the way that they introduced this with the iPhone
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is when they were saying you can see the full web what they were talking about was it's
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It's not WAP, right?
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It's not this like, an internet that doesn't look anything
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like the internet.
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And then when they're showing off the iPad,
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what they're battling against is horribly designed
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mobile navigation, you know?
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Like the fixed navigation before responsive
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that people would do where they'd try and spoof it
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to look like an iPhone app.
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- Oh my God.
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- That's what we're battling against.
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The real web is not that, right?
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So that's kind of like just an interesting thing
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is like originally Apple's battling against WAP
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and then later they're battling against themselves.
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- Yeah. - Right.
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A whole website in the palm of your hands is what Jobs says.
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On more than one occasion,
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and it's even in the Johnny Ives, Scott Forstall,
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White Room video later.
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- The 25 minute long video.
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- Oh gosh, yeah. - Why is it?
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- Super long.
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- Eight whole minutes, man.
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- So we see Safari and then Jobs gives us a tour
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of the built-in app.
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So we see mail, photos, calendars, contacts, maps, YouTube and videos all shown off.
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And if I could be honest with you guys, it was all so boring I didn't even make any clips
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for the show.
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Like it's weird right because they have to build the case that the iPad is easy to use
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but they can't rely on iOS to sell that for them because we already know what iOS can
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do and what iOS looks like.
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And so what Jobs is doing in all of these apps is showing how it's different than the
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iPhone, but again, not as compelling because we've already seen this stuff, we already
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have iPhones in our pockets at this point.
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Nothing was different enough that it heralded people needing to go crazy over it, right?
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Not that there's anything wrong with that because part of the beauty of the iPad was
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you'd already trained iPhone users.
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That's the reason that it runs iOS, right?
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it didn't run iPad, it ran iPhone OS.
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- I think Jobs even says that,
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like we already have 100 million people
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who are gonna know how to use this.
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- 'Cause they could have made an iPad OS
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and it probably would have been better suited to the iPad
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and would have thought about it in completely different ways.
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- They had that Newton OS laying around still.
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- Exactly, you could just strap up the ink well
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and let's go crazy.
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But that wouldn't have been a very good idea,
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but what it does is it leads to kind of like a demo,
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which when you're showing off the universal,
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or what was in universal kind of applications
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that Apple made, it kind of drag on a little bit.
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- Many people thought that Safari was the killer app
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on the iPad because it was so impressive
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that it let you see a full webpage.
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And there's a review from Topolski at Engadget,
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there's Jason Snell, I don't know if you guys
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are familiar with this guy.
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- Sorry, no?
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- Jason Snell, I think he used to drive around Cupertino
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at the time, he also reviewed iPads and iPhones
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for a website called Macworld.
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So he said, you know, Safari was like just something
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different in holding a webpage in your hands.
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So people were impressed with Safari,
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and I actually kind of, you know, it was ironic
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in seeing the flash plugin errors in the keynote,
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like Steve casually ignoring the flash boxes
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in the Times and other websites.
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- I think it even gets a chuckle at one point,
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like he scrolls past one and people are like, huh?
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- It's like smirking. - Flash.
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- Yeah, and, but the other software,
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I think you guys make a good point,
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because it was nothing terrible, terribly in nobody, like original, you know?
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I mean of course it's got a calendar, of course it does mail, and of course it lets you see
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more stuff than the iPhone because the screen is bigger.
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That calendar, man.
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When it came up, my eyes nearly fell out.
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So it's, it's, it kinda looks obvious, you know?
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Of course it does these things.
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But also maybe, like, the same argument that you go, of course it does this.
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Maybe it's also a benefit, you know, because it should do these things.
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And now I don't know if our perspective is being altered by the fact that we know iOS
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7 and this new design and now iOS 8 with all these new features, and we look at this stuff
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and we're like, yeah, it's boring.
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And it's difficult for me to remember exactly the feeling that I had when I first saw the
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calendar and mail.
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I remember that I was impressed with Safari especially because it looked impressive.
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It was not super readable and I needed to zoom into web pages to see actual text.
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But I was impressed.
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And the demo in the keynote is just too long I think.
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And it's like, "Oh my God, can you please finish?"
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And I think it's the same feeling that you get when they invite developers on stage from
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other companies to demo stuff.
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So the only advantage here is that it's Steve Jobs, you know, so he actually manages to
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entertain people in a way.
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But even if it's Steve, it's still, I think, too long and boring.
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You know what it felt like?
01:21:58
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You know when at WWDC they show off Mountain Lion and then they have an event like...
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three weeks later where they show up Mountain Lion again.
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Why are you doing this to us?
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In case you didn't see this guys, let's run through the exact same demo we did three months ago.
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In hindsight, two things really struck me.
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One, we mentioned earlier that he rotates the iPad, at least a lot more than I do mine.
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But there's also a lot of silence in this demo because, like you heard a couple of minutes ago with the browsing,
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that's true throughout these. He's tapping on things, he's showing things,
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and he's sort of letting the iPad speak for itself, but again, this whole section,
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thankfully it's almost over, we're going to be in hardware soon, it doesn't land well for me.
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Yeah, I understand the way you feel because considering how I felt at the time,
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I think today I have the same thought, like, I'm not sure about the software that I'm seeing here.
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But also, I try to go back and read original first impressions after the keynote.
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And a lot of people, in spite of the silence, right, in spite of this section feels weird,
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thought that we all have, I think. A lot of people reacted to the keynote as saying,
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"Yeah, the iPad's strength is that it becomes, like, the device becomes the app that you're using."
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So the calendar makes the iPad turn into a physical calendar. And when you're using Safari,
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you're holding a webpage. And when you're doing mail, you know, you're doing that kind
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of stuff with messages like those paper sheets.
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The software we think is boring today, at the time it made the iPad even more than the
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iPhone, it made the iPad feel like a device that can become multiple things.
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And Myke, for me, I think and for us, you know when on virtual we talk about Kirby?
01:24:21
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The Nintendo character.
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So Kirby is basically nothing, it's like a pink blob.
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The peculiarity of Kirby is that it can absorb enemies to turn into different characters.
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Like you can absorb a knight and Kirby wears a sword and like a helmet.
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Or you can absorb an archer and Kirby has arrows and stuff.
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So in a way, the iPad is like Kirby.
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It's basically nothing, it's like a screen with bezels and in this case Myke doesn't
01:24:51
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like the bezels. But the screen and the software that today we think it's boring, and maybe
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at the time the keynote was not structured so well, but the iPad can turn into multiple
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things depending on the apps that you use. And an obvious benefit, but also limitation,
01:25:12
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depending on how you look at it, is that it runs one app at a time. And so that, I think,
01:25:20
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is mainly a hardware limitation, but it's also a design decision, because there's no
01:25:28
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multitasking, there's no split screen, but yeah, it was a strong metaphor.
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It becomes what you want to use.
01:25:38
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The iPad is really thin.
01:25:41
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It's a half an inch thin.
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And it weighs just one and a half pounds.
01:25:46
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That is thinner and lighter than any netbook.
01:25:51
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So can I share something with you guys?
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So, I know we make fun of Myke for having a purchasing problem, but right here, I'm
01:26:02
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going to tap it, I have an original iPad I bought on eBay.
01:26:06
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I want to now state for the record of where we are in our lives, you are now the one with
01:26:14
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the problem not me because you are buying recently you have been buying so
01:26:18
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much crazy stuff. I bought classics. Yep and then I listened to you on on Mac
01:26:25
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power users give a basic inventory of all your old hardware like I buy new
01:26:30
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current dumb things right that I play around with and then get rid of them you
01:26:33
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buy old stuff that you just put in a closet. That's not untrue so I have some
01:26:39
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thoughts on the the iPad hardware and
01:26:44
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Jobs introduces it and to Federico to your
01:26:46
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point earlier was definitely crazy thin
01:26:49
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definitely crazy light but again five
01:26:53
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years later we know that this thing is
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gargantuan it'll be in the show notes a
01:26:59
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little photo gallery I've done of this
01:27:01
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versus an iPad Air 2 and it's sort of
01:27:04
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shocking how far we've come and not so
01:27:07
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so it's not so much time.
01:27:09
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But holding this thing, it's still, like if you forgive the weight of it, it's still really
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comfortable to hold with that curved back, even though it seems weird now, and like you
01:27:20
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sit it down on the table and it rocks around a little bit.
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It really is a nice looking piece of kit.
01:27:27
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I think part of the reason for the curved back was like when they did the iMac, you
01:27:31
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know, it makes it look thinner.
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It makes it feel thinner, which is, I think,
01:27:36
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even more important with this, holding it.
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And look, my thumbs rest on the bezels.
01:27:41
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This iPad on the e-book has definitely been open,
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so the screen sort of clicks in on one side,
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which is, I'm sure that's fine.
01:27:47
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But what impressed me when I got this out of the box
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was really how good the screen is in some certain ways.
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Yes, it's not retina, yes, it's not bonded.
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You could drive a car in the space
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between the glass and the LCD.
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but it looks pretty good.
01:28:06
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I've done some reading on it.
01:28:07
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In fact, most of the research for the show
01:28:09
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I did on this iPad.
01:28:10
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- Look at you. - You can read on it.
01:28:11
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- Really, really like getting deep into the subject.
01:28:14
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- Yeah, I will tell you a lot of modern websites,
01:28:18
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like it's running iOS 5,
01:28:20
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really choke on the slower processor
01:28:22
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and with only 256 megabytes of RAM,
01:28:26
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really just like poops out pretty quickly.
01:28:28
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- Was this the thing that you've been saying
01:28:30
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that you've been teasing?
01:28:31
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- Yeah, I've had this for,
01:28:33
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I've been testing this original iPad for several weeks now.
01:28:37
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But what's really impressive, and I even wrote about it
01:28:39
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in my review of it back in 2010,
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is that the screen is really bright, and the IPS.
01:28:45
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So you can sit this thing down or watch a movie on the bed,
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and we take for granted now that you can see the screen
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from almost any angle.
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Sometimes on a laptop screen, if you're laying down
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and the MacBook's up on a thing, it looks inverted,
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'cause the colors don't work correctly from certain angles.
01:29:03
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But even with this original iPad, the color is so good.
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You can really read laying down with it in parallel with you
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and still see everything.
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Seems really great.
01:29:14
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So I gave my original iPad to my mom.
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And I think this was like two years ago,
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because she was asking me for a new computer.
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And I was like, just use my old iPad.
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And because I'm a terrible son, and I
01:29:32
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didn't want to buy a new MacBook.
01:29:36
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So you guys know that I'm into this whole process of finding loopholes to use web services
01:29:42
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for free and like web services that you're not supposed to use in Italy, I find ways
01:29:47
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to keep using them.
01:29:49
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So back before when I think Spotify was not officially available in Italy or maybe it
01:29:56
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was a thing about Spotify Radio and Spotify Premium, anyway I found a way to let my mom
01:30:02
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listen to music on Spotify without paying or without using a VPN.
01:30:09
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And I think a few months ago she called me and she was like, you know, the music thing
01:30:16
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on the iPad stopped working.
01:30:19
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And so I went to check on the iPad and basically I think she updated the Spotify app on the
01:30:28
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the App Store on iOS 5 still?
01:30:32
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Yep, I was fine.
01:30:36
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So she updated the Spotify app and basically it changed some settings or maybe it reset
01:30:42
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some sort of cache or plist file.
01:30:46
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The loophole was closed and she couldn't listen to free music anymore and she was sad.
01:30:53
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But it reminded me that the original iPad, like, I spent like an afternoon trying to
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understand what was going on.
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Because you know, it's like, I set up that system like many, many months before.
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And it reminded me of just how nice the original iPad is, but how heavy it is today.
01:31:17
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my mom is still using my original keyboard dock, which I know is an unpopular opinion.
01:31:24
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I actually kind of love the the keyboard dock of the iPad. I'm sorry.
01:31:30
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No, no, we'll make it back to accessories. So the big story here though is the A4, which
01:31:36
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is Apple's first custom chip. Apple had bought PA semiconductor before this, and remember
01:31:43
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this is pre iPhone 4 and in reading these reviews and we've got the during
01:31:48
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Fireball 1 here is how people were like blown away by the speed of this thing.
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iPad is powered by our own custom silicon. We have an incredible group that
01:31:59
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does custom silicon at Apple. We have a chip called A4 which is our most
01:32:02
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advanced chip we've ever done that powers the iPad. It's got the processor,
01:32:06
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the graphics, the IO, the memory controller, everything in this one chip
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and it screams and you can have 16, 32 or 64 gigabytes of flash solid-state
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storage inside the iPad. And I will say guys like yes sort of like the Safari
01:32:26
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sort of chokes from the heavy JavaScript websites and yes the RAM is really
01:32:31
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limiting like opening native apps on this and like blasting around settings
01:32:36
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and stuff like the iPad the original iPad is still feels relatively fast it's
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not nearly as fast as a modern iPad but it's it's not the same as using a
01:32:48
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computer that's 10 years old you know it it holds up and I think that's a real
01:32:52
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testament to why Apple did this you know this is the first foray into custom
01:32:56
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custom chip and and they say in the in the keynote you know that you know we
01:33:04
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We get to control the whole stack here and clearly that pays off in things like battery life.
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What is the battery life of this remarkable device?
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We've been able to achieve 10 hours of battery life with one and a half pound of ice.
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10 hours of battery life, which means I can take a flight from San Francisco to Tokyo
01:33:28
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and watch video the whole way on one charge.
01:33:32
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pretty nice. A couple other interesting things that I've forgotten you can get
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one up to 64 gigabytes the 3gs at the time only went to 32 so you get 64
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gigabytes of storage and it launched with 802.11n as opposed to just BNG so
01:33:47
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pretty pretty decent wireless out of the box and what everybody loves the 30 pin
01:33:53
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dock connector I had to use my iPod classic cable and which you know I had
01:33:58
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handy because I'm me. But it Steve Jobs says so it plugs into the entire iPod ecosystem
01:34:05
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like in 2010 that's still what it is. But I think most interestingly is that this iPad
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and my Retina iPad Mini which is sitting right here next to it have the same battery life.
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Which of course Jason Snell spoke about and I don't know about you guys but I was really
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impressed you know in 2010 laptops were not getting the kind of battery life they do now
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now, so 10 hours just seemed to last forever.
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I think it was impressive at the time, I think it should last more today.
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Especially when you use the iPad for work, like every day.
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It seems that the battery is always running out, and I feel like it's been 3 years since
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the first retina iPad and I feel like instead of going after this crazy thinness, even if
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it's super welcome, like I just wish that at some point they would just go against that
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self-imposed limit of 10 hours of battery life and just maybe try to do at least 12.
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It's always that couple of hours that like I just wish it at those two extra hours to
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to work more or to play more games. But it was impressive. It was impressive.
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And I will say holding this iPad and thinking about the Air 2 and even the iPad mini, I
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don't think Apple is so much concerned about weight or about thickness as they are about
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weight. That making this, making these things easier to hold in one hand, like reading iPad
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reviews like laying on my couch the last couple nights on this thing, like, I mean this is
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like super first-world problem but it
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it's a heavy device compared to what we
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have now. I think Apple has been all
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about making this thing lighter and the
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thinness is just sort of a byproduct of
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that but I do think Jason is right in his
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post about you know Apple was solving
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for battery life and very clearly an
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iPad is supposed to get 10 hours of battery life
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or if it has this you could do 3G
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now of course you can do LTE so you have
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nine hours and you know it was kind of another thing I'd forgotten I'd forgotten
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the original iPad had 3G I feel like not a lot of people that I saw at least went
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with that compared to now you know I've got a LTE iPad Mini and I love having
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Verizon data on my tablet but what's also interesting is something else I'd
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forgotten is that this iPad does not have a camera there is no no can't
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there's no camera which you know the iPad Air 2 event they talk at length
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about people taking photos with an iPad, so clearly a lot has changed in half a decade.
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I think in general about the iPad hardware, Safari was regarded by many as the killer
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software feature, and I think that overall the Apple A4 was the killer feature of the
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iPad hardware.
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Because yes, it's got this great screen, yes it's got battery life, and yes it's got speakers
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and Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and 3G also, but the killer feature was really the custom silicon
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made by Apple, because this is before the iPhone 4, this is the first time that Apple
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is coming out and saying "we have a silicon team inside Apple and we're doing our custom
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The Apple A4 is controlling every single aspect of the device, and it's not just about the
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original iPad, it's about the story that it pushes forward, that Apple is making its own
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custom chips.
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And then in the future, we're going to see even tighter integration between different
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components and software features at Apple.
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And I think, like when I try to remember this keynote, when I think about the software,
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I think about Safari, and when I think about the hardware, I think about the iPad and the
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I think that's definitely fair and has obviously played an important role. We would never have
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the technology inside the Apple Watch if it hadn't been for the course they set out on
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with this device.
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So up next Scott Forshaw.
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Who is back he's back.
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Well don't think you know how time works.
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He's definitely still crazy and like sort of over energetic.
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So he comes out and is talking about the App Store.
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So we have Jobs talking about first party apps with the iPad comes out of the box.
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Scott Forshaw is here to talk about the App Store and of course reveals that an SDK is
01:41:17
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available, but he leads off with a discussion around, we
01:41:22
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have all these iPhone apps, and we have this iPad.
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What's the deal there?
01:41:26
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And explains how iPhone apps can run on the iPad.
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We built the iPad to run virtually every one of these
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apps unmodified right out of the box.
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Now, we can do that in two ways.
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We can run these apps with pixel for pixel accuracy,
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black boxed in the center of the screen.
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We can also automatically pixel double
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and run those apps full screen.
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- I think this was such a smart move
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because even though the iPhone app wouldn't look perfect,
01:42:01
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what it did was, you know we were talking about earlier
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about what people expected, like oh,
01:42:08
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we're not gonna get an SDK today,
01:42:10
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or we're not gonna see an app store today,
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because people just assumed, well,
01:42:12
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there's not gonna be any apps, and we're gonna need,
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and they're not gonna release it in six months time,
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they're gonna release it now,
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so there probably won't be an app store
01:42:19
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'cause there'll be nothing to put in it.
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But the app store, you know, it already was full
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because you could access all of your iPhone apps.
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So it meant that you could use your iPhone app
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that you loved to look at Twitter,
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you could use it on the iPad, it wouldn't look great,
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but it would be there.
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However, I think that this actually helped perpetuate
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the big iPod touch problem.
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- Because you just had big iPhone apps for a while.
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I never actually used iPhone apps in this way.
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- Oh, really?
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- It's never, it's so weird.
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I know that iOS still supports this compatibility mode,
01:42:57
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but it's always been so odd to me.
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You use a different keyboard
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and you get this blurry graphics on the screen.
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And I guess I'm lucky enough
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that I didn't rely on apps that didn't have iPad versions on day one, or at least within
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a comfortable release time from the launch of the device.
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Like I never, I'm pretty sure besides my own personal curiosity that I wanted to see an
01:43:30
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iPhone app in compatibility mode, I never relied on such a thing.
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I'm not sure about you guys because Myke you seem pretty excited about this.
01:43:42
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Well I just thought it was a smart business move.
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Yeah I think it is, it's just weird.
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I don't know if Apple could have done it better but you get this extra black bezels around
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Even bigger bezels right?
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Yeah even bigger and softer versions of them.
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It's just so strange.
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It's almost an apple, I would say.
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But I get it, it makes sense because the app sort of, there's the risk of not getting the
01:44:17
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iPad version of the app you're waiting for.
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And I guess it also makes sense in an enterprise kind of segment.
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Because maybe you rely on an iPhone app that is not yet available on the iPad, but you
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want to use the iPad, so you get the iPhone version for it.
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you need it for work. I guess it makes sense, it's just strange.
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One thing I think to Myke's point is they sort of had to do this to take advantage of
01:44:47
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what had come before it. Even 18 months in, a lot of apps out there, and I think it's
01:44:52
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important that they didn't have Facebook because very clearly a high usage, maybe one of the
01:44:59
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most high-profile iOS apps ever and so to say hey look you know all these
01:45:04
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features you like you can continue to use. I do think it's interesting that
01:45:09
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that Facebook is an example but I think you know it think they had to right they
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had to say we have success in this area and we're not going to start back at zero
01:45:20
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we're going to build on that success and so yes it's weird I think it was totally
01:45:24
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mandatory. However interestingly there was no Facebook for iPad until October
01:45:29
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2011. Yeah funny funny story there I remember basically a lot of people were
01:45:38
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waiting for Facebook to make an iPad app and I think I was like it was a weekend
01:45:47
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I'm not sure I got a tip by a reader about that you could enable Facebook's
01:45:56
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iPad app by changing like a string of text in the iPhone version from the App Store.
01:46:03
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I seem to remember this.
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So I was too scared to run with the story on my own because, you know, I didn't want
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Facebook legal team or whatever writing to me. So I passed the tip along to other people
01:46:19
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and the news ended up being reported like within hours.
01:46:26
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You are responsible, I remember this, I definitely remember this.
01:46:31
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Yeah, it's just like, so many people were waiting for the Facebook iPad app, I'm not
01:46:38
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sure why Facebook didn't release an app like before.
01:46:43
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I mean, Scott Forsall says all it does is you just have to plug it into iTunes and move
01:46:47
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those iPhone apps right over, so editing a string in an app bundle, not a big deal.
01:46:54
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What did you guys think about the... Scott Forsall plays this like... Snowcross game
01:46:59
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like you're racing snowmobiles. He's really good at it.
01:47:03
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He is really good at it. I think that we need to be checking the Snowcross circuit because
01:47:07
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that's where Forsall might be.
01:47:09
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Maybe he's live streaming on Twitch.
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Yeah. I downloaded it while watching the keynote again because the keynote was so boring the
01:47:18
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second time. And it's not a bad little game. It hasn't aged very well. It's one of those
01:47:23
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I'm sure you guys know plays like a 30-second QuickTime movie as it's launching
01:47:27
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Yes, it's like and that you can't fast-forward in because it's actually loading the app behind the video
01:47:32
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It's like what are you doing? But uh, but I played it says Scott for so and I have that have that in common
01:47:38
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I'm not the only one who feels like every time first all talks like he's staring into my soul
01:47:44
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So later on in the in the video like the product demo video
01:47:50
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that is the video where all of those crazy-eyed forestall images are taken from.
01:47:55
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Like, he looks crazy in that video.
01:47:58
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Like, it's like next-level insanity.
01:48:02
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That guy, I do miss him, though, man.
01:48:04
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He looks good.
01:48:05
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Whenever I see him on stage, it's like, he was good.
01:48:08
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Yeah, he was good, yeah.
01:48:11
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So they, um...
01:48:14
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He moves into the SDK and he starts out saying, you know, "We rewrote the entire interface
01:48:17
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of our apps take advantage of the display and I couldn't help but point out in the show
01:48:21
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notes that not every Apple app was designed so contacts if you guys look at this link
01:48:30
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contacts was very clearly meant to work in landscape so it looked like a book right like
01:48:34
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to your point of the iPad turns into a physical book but it was in landscape they blackboarded
01:48:40
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at the top and bottom so this is floating in space.
01:48:45
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I love that this image shows your only contact is Myke Hurley.
01:48:51
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We know details.
01:48:53
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We know details.
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Don't need details about me, boy.
01:48:56
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Myke sitting there in a black sea of nothingness.
01:49:02
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I like the dark.
01:49:04
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I mean, I just needed a screenshot and I wasn't going to sync my iCloud account to this.
01:49:13
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So they talk about this.
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some third-party apps. I think the one that's most interesting to me at least
01:49:20
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is the New York Times app. So there have been a lot of stories about like the
01:49:25
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iPad is going to save journalism which okay but they really push this like
01:49:32
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that the iPads really great for reading but what's so what's really interesting
01:49:36
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to me is that they demo this app after Steve Jobs demos the New York Times
01:49:40
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website for like 36 minutes.
01:49:44
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That's a really good point, I hadn't thought of that before.
01:49:47
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It feels very weird to see both of them.
01:49:52
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And they say "an essence of reading a newspaper" on a one and a half pound glass and metal
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tablet but you know, it's like a newspaper in every way.
01:50:03
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So I like that because the developers are coming out on stage.
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And you see these apps that look pretty good.
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you know they've only had the SDK for a couple of weeks at the most. Can you imagine what
01:50:16
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it is like to have to develop in this scenario? Like to make an app in a couple of weeks,
01:50:23
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and they got that guy, the brushes guy, I remember that app. Like it's one guy, right?
01:50:28
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And then he's like, of everyone that's on stage, he's like, "Yeah, I'll be out when
01:50:30
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the iPad ships." Everyone else is like, "Coming in the future." And he's just like, "Yeah,
01:50:36
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yeah, no problem, bro. Like see this like fast forwarding animation? Yeah, I've been
01:50:40
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dealing with that so that'll be out on its like you know it's like okay buddy
01:50:43
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he probably uses the the same energy drink that score for so drinks or you
01:50:49
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no it's just espresso espresso no secret there the original energy drink yeah
01:50:55
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yeah and you know it's I think in hindsight as much as Safari is like the
01:51:01
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app that defines the iPad the app stores as well and John Gruber said that in his
01:51:07
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in his review that the truth is that the App Store is the killer app. The iPad is
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meant for anything that can be represented on a 10-inch color touchscreen
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and like that really is is true and you look at even the first-party apps you
01:51:19
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know I've got no third-party apps on this iPad here and there's there's not a
01:51:23
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lot to it like even iBooks was an additional download and so in hindsight
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this thing had to have the App Store and I don't think the iPad really could have
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existed in the world without it for very long.
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Amazon's done a great job of pioneering this functionality with their Kindle.
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And we're going to stand on their shoulders and go a bit further.
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It's a sick, sick Steve Jobs burn right there about Amazon.
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So I don't know, what do you guys think about iBooks?
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I mean, what were your reactions at the time?
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I remember, I'm sorry.
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I needed to point this out.
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iBooks came with a free download of a kid's book.
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Winnie the Pooh.
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Winnie the Pooh, man.
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And I was so impressed by the illustrations and the e-book in general.
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I thought it was really nice.
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So I promised myself that I would use iBooks a lot.
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Because when you try an app and you're impressed and you're like "Yeah, I want to use this!"
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And I actually never read in iBooks that much.
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Like I guess I like the idea of iBooks and I like iBooks in general.
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I publish an iBook myself so it's not like I'm lying.
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It's just I guess I'm not that much of a book reader.
01:52:55
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I was impressed, but just not in practical terms.
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I have like one comment about this entire section, because this section is like a...
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This is the extra snoozefest.
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Delicious library, man.
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The most shameless ripoff.
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Delicious library, and also there used to be an iPhone app called, I think, Classics.
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Steven, do you remember this one?
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Oh yeah, I do.
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shelf design, yeah, I even think the developer himself like commented on the iBooks announcement
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on that day on Twitter, yeah.
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Really though, I mean, I think what really sums up this section is Steve Jobs talking
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about the user interface between the your books and the library.
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And probably the best thing is let's go into the store right now, I hit the store button,
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and it's kind of like a secret passageway.
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It flips around and here is the iBook store.
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- Secret passageway, it's the whole thing that spins around.
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It's like, could you get any more,
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like not only skeuomorphic, but like ridiculous in that.
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- I actually forgot, like we all talk about like
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the calendar and the paper ripping off and stuff.
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This right here is the worst skeuomorphic.
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- Oh, come on, it's so nice.
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It's like one of those movies from like there's people touching buttons and they go into secret
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I'm not saying I don't like it.
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It's nice, but it's as bad as you could get, right?
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For skeuomorphism.
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Well, no, actually the original podcast apps.
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Oh, but I like that though.
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With the radio dial.
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I mean the whole thing.
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Yeah, the reel to reel man, the reel to reel, but that looked nice.
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I liked that.
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I did like that.
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Everything about iBooks is weird.
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I'm going to put a screenshot in the show notes.
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When you go to the app store, it prompted you to download iBooks.
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It wasn't bundled with the iPad.
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And the popover is the standard classic iOS popover, but instead of being that nice blue
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purple, it's brown.
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Everything about iBooks is just a little bit weird.
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I do not remember that.
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And what's interesting is they only hint about textbooks and iBooks Author and iBooks 2.0
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didn't take place until 2012, until two years after this event.
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And so the iBooks, sometimes Apple puts something out and it's very fully formed, especially
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in hardware.
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But in software, very often Apple dips their toe in and the iBook store is definitely one
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of those things where it's like, "Hey, we have a couple of publishers."
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I think he even says, "We're going to start making deals with more publishers starting
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tomorrow and we can do textbooks."
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But that idea doesn't really take off until a couple years later.
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I would argue it probably still hasn't taken off, honestly.
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But iBooks has been a very weird product to me, looking at Apple's lineup.
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I understand why they have it, but at the same time, if it went away, I for one would
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not miss it.
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Yeah, I forget it exists all the time.
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Yeah I read on a Kindle, like I don't read in iBooks.
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Occasionally I will buy things like Federica Gearbooks or like Max Parkey field guides,
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like iBook author books I would read because I kind of have to, but anything else that's
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available on the Kindle if I'm going to read it digitally is where I do it.
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You know what also exists in the Apple lineup?
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Yeah, it's my favorite.
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Oh man, I always forget that.
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But iBook isn't the only Apple app that we see here.
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They move into iWork.
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And again, like at the top we're talking about Steve Jobs at the D conference, Steve Jobs
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tells us a really nice little story about the background of iWork for the tablet.
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A little over a year ago, I asked the head of our iWork team to take a look at creating a version of iWork for the iPad.
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And the initial reaction was, ah, the iWork apps, keynote, pages and numbers are really heavy duty apps.
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Ah, they require a lot of horsepower. Could the tablet power them?
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And the answer turned out to be resounding, you betcha.
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- So Phil Scheller shows off iWork,
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and he really kind of drives home the idea
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that they took a lot of time thinking about this,
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and they're really pushing iWork.
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And I remember seeing it at the time,
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and being like, man, you can do real stuff on this thing.
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You know, that's pages, I've used pages.
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And I think numbers, for me, was the most impressive
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of the demos because keynote,
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I never really used keynote,
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but being able to create spreadsheets
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to do all these formulas and stuff
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on this touchscreen device seems so cool.
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And I remember when they showed
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how the keyboard changed to numbers
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and it only showed the numbers and the functions
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you needed at that given time.
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It was like, ah, right, that's why this is so good.
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- It was just like, that makes perfect sense.
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- He sells it as numbers, the spreadsheet
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that is fun and cool to use.
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He should have just put his thumb up.
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You put his thumb up like, yeah!
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I agree with you, though, but I think Keynote
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is pretty impressive, too, just all the layout skills.
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And actually watching this, I learned things about Keynote
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that I didn't know until this day, some of the gestures.
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What I think is part of the problem with these apps,
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and it continues in the iLife apps that came after these,
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is that there's a lot of stuff in these interfaces that
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isn't as simple as some of the other apps.
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But it is impressive that these apps were here on day one
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because I think Apple had to tell the story
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that the iPad could be used for productivity.
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- So that was what was really interesting about iWork, right?
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It was super powerful and we got to see, as you said,
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like you could use it for productivity like it's a thing.
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And then iLife came in later years, maybe the next year.
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- The next year, iPad 2, yeah.
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- And it showed that you could use it
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for content creation, right?
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So first Apple shows productivity and they show content.
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And then we got iPhoto later on, which was interesting.
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Didn't go down very well, but it was another app like that.
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- And now it's gone.
01:59:36
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- Now it's gone, but we can forget about that.
01:59:39
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So I know that we've spoken about this in the past,
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and I felt this way coming out
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of the last iPad keynote especially.
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Where are these apps today?
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Apple is not showing me today what the iPad can be used for.
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they're not trailblazing themselves.
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They're highlighting applications like Pixelmator.
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But there's like, you know, I wanna see this class
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of application coming from Apple again.
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And I'm not saying I have the answers right.
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I don't know what you make, but I know this is so handwavy,
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but that's kind of not my problem.
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But I wanna see reasons from Apple
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as to why I should be using the iPad.
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Like that they are showing me,
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then they're showing other developers like this is the kind of stuff you should be making.
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I think there's two ways you can go about this. Either you think that Apple has lost its way
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and that they're being busy doing other things and that maybe they don't prioritize making their own
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software for the iPad enough, or maybe you can think that that Apple like initially they showed
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developers because they needed to sort of like teach developers how to make app software and
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And then in the following years, they just focused on making SDK tools
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to just let the developers and the ecosystem speak for itself,
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because they feel like the developers on the iPad and the entire app store market
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is now mature enough that we can just focus on making the tools and making the hardware.
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And you guys, you know, software is your thing now and you make apps.
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and we just make the tools.
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I don't know what's the real reason why Apple is not making these sort of...
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maybe even experimental apps in a way, because with the iPad 2 especially,
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with GarageBand, you know, that kind of stuff.
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Today on the iPad, Apple is primarily
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maintaining those apps and adding new features and adding support for
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iOS 8 and iCloud Drive
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and extensions maybe every once in a while, not all the time.
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I kind of miss... I agree with you, Myke.
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I kind of miss the Apple that show developers,
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"Hey, here's what you can do with the iPad.
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Here's how we've been developing apps for the iPad."
02:02:07
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But I also... I'm torn between these two theories
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because I understand your point, but I also know that when you're big enough,
02:02:16
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you can just make the tools and let the community come up with the tools.
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Also because it's not cool when Apple apps are dominating the charts on the App Store.
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So I think there's multiple reasons.
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The nostalgic part of myself kind of misses the original iWork and iLife suite of apps,
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but I also kind of understand why they don't do it anymore.
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Maybe what it is, and I really don't mean this to sound as frustrating or annoying as
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as it is, maybe it's because there hasn't been
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a real big defining innovation in the iPad.
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Maybe it is, there are rumors of a stylus
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or there are rumors of split screen.
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Maybe we need to wait for something like that,
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like a big fundamental shift so that Apple
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then have something new to make.
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My thought would be, and I don't think they need to do this,
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but my thought would be put your money where your mouth is
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and give me a pro app.
02:03:11
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It can be Logic, it can be Final Cut, right?
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something like that or an element of that.
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Like there is an app that they make
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that is like way more powerful.
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But anyway, that's just my kind of my posit.
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9.99, now what an interesting price.
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I mean, looking at our document,
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me and Steven seem to disagree with this.
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It was high, it was higher than what other apps
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were charging at at the time.
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It was higher than iPhone software.
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obviously lower than the iWorks apps on the Mac.
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But I wonder if what Apple were trying to do here
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was to set the expectation that iPad software
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should be more expensive.
02:03:51
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- Yeah, I think that's why we wrote opposite things.
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I was thinking about it from a Mac perspective
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where iWork was, I don't know,
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69 bucks at the time or something.
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And so for 30, you get all three.
02:04:03
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But I think your point is correct as well.
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Very clearly trying to set the stage
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you know the iPad software is more powerful you know I work to not come to
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the iPhone on day one
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it was reserved for the tablet and so to say you know what look this is a
02:04:18
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different class this is an in-between step between your smartphone and your
02:04:22
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computer and we're going to price it that way and I think you know in broad
02:04:28
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strokes I think that's held up I think I don't know for sure maybe we can follow
02:04:33
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up on this but I think in broad strokes iPad software is still more expensive
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than iPhone software and sort of the more professional end of things sure and
02:04:43
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and so I think that that precedent they set to a degree at least is still hanging
02:04:47
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on although I work is now free if that's the canary in the coal mine yeah yeah
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oh yeah I mean all there's I mean OS X is free like yeah so I mean you know we
02:05:00
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We can talk about connectivity real quick.
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Because this is 2010, this is before the, well before iOS 5 and the PC Free stuff, you
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got to plug it in with a cable like a gentleman.
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The iPad syncs over USB with iTunes running on your Mac or your PC.
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Exactly like an iPhone or an iPod Touch.
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And so when you sync, you sync everything.
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You can sync your photos, your music, your movies, your TV shows, your contacts, your
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calendars, your bookmarks, and of course all those applications that you might have already
02:05:42
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bought for your iPhone or your iPod touch.
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Backups are synced back.
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If you ever lose your iPad and you get another one, you can restore it right from the backup
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right where you left off.
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So USB syncing to iTunes running on your Mac or your PC.
02:05:59
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What about 3G?
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We talked about it a little while ago.
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Did that surprise you guys that Apple out of the gate had something?
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Because the iPod Touch to this day still doesn't have cellular data.
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And you know, because you mentioned earlier, Stephen, that you had kind of like forgotten
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about it because everybody that you knew didn't have it.
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And the reason was because it took 90 days.
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So everybody just bought them with Wi-Fi because none of us could wait.
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So I don't know if there were a lot of iPads, at least in the nerd circles, that had cellular
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because we all just bought them on Wi-Fi.
02:06:32
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And I mean, as well, I remember, I can't remember the exact timeline off to my head, but the
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iPad came out at the same time in the UK, which was a surprise.
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Although I think it got delayed a little bit, but it was very close to the US release date.
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the cellular version took a while longer I believe.
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Like a much, much longer time.
02:06:55
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- Yeah, and I think what's most noticeable about this
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is that the built-in iPad data plans,
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which are still around, of course now you can,
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just like I do it on my Verizon plan,
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my iPad is just, I don't know,
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10 bucks a month or something
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and just pulls from my pool of data.
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But you could do, on AT&T of course,
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I mean this is pre-Verizon for Apple,
02:07:15
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15 bucks for 250 megabytes or 30 bucks for unlimited data.
02:07:19
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Like 250 megabytes is sort of crazy,
02:07:22
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but then I actually looked at my Verizon account
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at the usage on my iPad.
02:07:28
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And I've got some months, like this month,
02:07:32
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where I've done a lot of tethering on my iPad,
02:07:33
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and the data usage is just insanely high.
02:07:36
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But like there's some months where I might use
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less than that if you're just looking at Twitter
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or you know, very little things on the cellular connection.
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So 250 megabytes, yeah, that's sort of funny in hindsight, but I do think that for a lot
02:07:53
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of people that maybe had been enough.
02:07:56
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Well, in my personal example, I almost regularly run out of my 20 gigs of data on my iPad every
02:08:09
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Well, you're a crazy person.
02:08:11
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Yeah, so that 250 megabytes seems so crazy.
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It's like a single afternoon working on the iPad.
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One article.
02:08:26
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So we're getting toward the end of it here, and the big bombshell, right, is the price.
02:08:34
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What should we price it at?
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Well, if you listen to the pundits, we're going to price it under a thousand dollars,
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which is code for $9.99.
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When we set out to develop the iPad, we not only had very ambitious technical goals and
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and user interface goals, but we had a very aggressive price goal.
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Because we want to put this in the hands of lots of people.
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And just like we were able to meet or exceed our technical goals, we have met our cost
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And I am thrilled to announce to you that the iPad pricing starts not at $999, but at
02:09:38
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Obviously, like, you know, there's been a lot of talk about $1,000, right?
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That's what everybody going into this was expecting.
02:09:50
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That was because that was what the rumors were, right?
02:09:52
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And it seemed conceivable at the time that it would be $1,000.
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dollars in was like if it was a thousand dollars that'd be crazy. So whether that
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that information was planted by Apple or not who knows you know it could have
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been one of those controlled leaks which I personally think that it probably was.
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That's always been my thought is that Apple set that expectation so they could
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blow it out of the water. Because the animation is like a big smashing in the
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glass right? They had prepared that like they knew that going in there was a
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conception of it like I think it was a controlled leak so they were able to
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to conceivably say $500 is perfectly fine for this device, and people in the tech price
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could go along and say that.
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Because I think a lot of people, I know that I was really surprised by the price and thought
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that it was perfectly fair.
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Not that I don't now, but that was what I thought at the time.
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What about this super awesome keyboard dock?
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Keyboard dock, man.
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What about it?
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I wanted one of those so bad.
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I owned one.
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It was amazing.
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It is amazing.
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We have another dock for the iPad that's interesting, the keyboard dock.
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So full-size, full-size mechanical keyboard.
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You slide your iPad into it.
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Of course, it charges.
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It has a 30-pin connector out the back for charging.
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So you can charge your iPad.
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And when you really need to do a lot of typing, this is the way to go.
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Just keep one of these in your den.
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When you've got it right, war and peace, just plug your iPad into it.
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Something that the iPad doesn't have anymore, really, or at least in the same way, is that
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they say that you can use it as a digital picture frame.
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And so on this iPad here running iOS 5, there's a, you know, now we have the camera in the
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bottom right.
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It was a picture frame thing, and you could set up a little slide show.
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And I guess Apple's thought was that this could become sort of like digital picture
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frame, like it's in the keyboard dock and you're not using it, it's like sitting upright
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you can look at family photos or something and you can still do that in the photos app.
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It's obviously not on the lock screen anymore, like clearly demoted in importance.
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That was really not required for such prime real estate. I always press that button accidentally
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and just stuff I never wanted to show up on that screen was on that screen.
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Yeah, it just, well it wasn't selfies on the first iPad because there's no camera, but
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you know, iPad 2 and later.
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All screenshots for Micah. With the origami transition.
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yeah but yeah I had a keyboard dock I mean clearly it's kind of funny in
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hindsight I think but again I think Apple had to make this transition and
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they even say this is for using with pages because it put it in portrait
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mode and you know it's gone the way of the dodo now as has this like super
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terrible first-gen iPad case which I owned one and it was awful you couldn't
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get the iPad in or out of it very easily and like have this little flap that you
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whenever go where you wanted to and the edges were like sharp where the seams
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were like I don't know who made this but it was terrible and I think they
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make fun of it in the iPad 2 event when they introduced the smart cover and
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they're like yeah that case was we're sorry sorry about that.
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Yeah because they said what we don't want to make a case that basically hides
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your entire device we want to show the device but just protect the screen.
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Right, and you know the Smart Cover remains to this day.
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I've got one here on my iPad Mini, very clearly a superior product to this super gross black
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greasy sleeve thing.
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I had this weird plastic hard case that came with this little easel thing that you could
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put the iPad in.
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And then I had a little keyboard.
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So why are you making fun of my keyboard, Doc, then?
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- You had the easel and the keyboard.
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- I wanted the keyboard, doc, I just never got it.
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'Cause I bought this weird plastic easel thing.
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- That's no good.
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So do we wanna talk about this Johnny Eye video?
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- Oh man, this video.
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- It's really a Scott Furstel video.
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- That's a good point.
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That is a really good point.
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I've seen a lot of these videos, right?
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I've seen a lot of them.
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And they're frequently one of my favorite parts
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the keynote. This one has two major problems. It is about like six and a half months long
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in total. It's still happening. Scott Bostel is still in a box talking. It's just been
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live streamed to me now. And everyone is way too excited. Like everyone is way too excited.
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Can I ask you guys a question before we discuss the video? Like I need to know this. It's
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of my those strange questions. Do you think that when they record these videos, like the
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Apple style here is that the people in the video look somewhere else, they don't look
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directly to the camera. So do you think that they actually look at someone? And if yes,
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do you think that that someone feels weird while they're being talked to?
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I definitely think they're looking at someone because they talk so comfortably.
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What is that other someone doing?
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Just nodding at them?
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I think whoever that is, I think that it's like going into a nuclear waste plant that
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you can only be in one of those videos and you have so much exposure to it that you're
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in a hospital the rest of your life.
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Or, Steve is just standing there and is like, "Say it with more enthusiasm."
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- Yeah, so Forstahl in particular is like,
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you just touch it, like, absolute order of magnitude.
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Like all these crazy clips of like,
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like maybe he's on meth.
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Like I don't know what's going on, but he's so happy.
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- The you just touch it thing is what I find so crazy.
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Like we've all used iPhones,
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like we know how touch screens work.
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Like you just touch it and stuff happens.
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Bro, we get it.
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Like it's fine, two years, like we've been using these things
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You're like calm down.
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Just like chat a little bit.
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But you don't understand it's glass and you touch the glass.
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It's like, all right.
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The best part, the best part is when it's talking, I think it's talking about
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Safari and it's like you can touch the screen and it feels natural.
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Then it looks at the guy, I guess the person is talking to and it's like,
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you just do.
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The same reasons that it just feels right to hold a book.
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or a magazine or a newspaper in your hands as you read them,
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it just feels right to hold the internet in your hands
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as you surf it. And with a screen this large,
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you can just see more of the web as you're surfing it.
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Take the New York Times. You can see all the top stories.
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They're all just right there. If you see something, you just reach out and tap it.
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It's completely natural. You don't even think about it. You just
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do I miss the guy with it being eight minutes like it's effectively just
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telling us everything we've already watched like yeah we just see it all
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over again yeah well I mean remember like for a long time Apple didn't always
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put these keynotes out quickly and so they you'd have the product video and I
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I mean, nerds are gonna watch an hour-long keynote,
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but someone who's just interested in the product
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is only gonna watch a six, eight minute thing.
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- So I get why they have to repackage it.
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- Yeah, but you don't need to put the eight minute video
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inside the keynote then.
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I think you could have a shortened version
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and then keep the eight minute, anyway.
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- This is the company that shows TV commercials
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during keynotes. - That's a good point.
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- Steve Jobs is like, "And we made an ad!"
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And they play the ad and everyone is happy.
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Like, it's just weird.
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I do like that we get to see Big Bob Mansfield,
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who left Apple, retired, and then came out of retirement,
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then I think is retired again.
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Talking about the hardware.
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- What is he doing?
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- I think he only came back to eject
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Scott Falstall out of the building.
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- Maybe, yeah, he's the only guy big enough
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to handle that amount of energy.
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- Big Bob just bounced him out.
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- You know, and Phil Schiller has a good point
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at the end of it, and I think that in many ways
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it encapsulates everything we've talked about
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for the last 12 hours, is that new technology
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starts as an expensive top-shelf type of
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thing and over time it comes down and
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the price comes down the technology
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becomes more accessible and he says with
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iPad Apple want to do it differently and
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I really believe that that thought
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process behind that statement of you
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know Apple clearly they could have
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charged a thousand dollars for this
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right like and and people would have
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bought it but making it $4.99 put it in
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in reach of so many people.
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And $499 for some people is almost like compulsion.
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I mean, it's not no money,
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but it's enough of a price difference from a laptop
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that clearly setting this device apart
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and Apple wanting the A4 and the screen
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and the software to be accessible
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to as many people as possible.
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I think that's really profound.
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And I think it's something
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that Apple has gotten better at over time.
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Even though the iPad is still $499,
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dropping those price points by selling old models,
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as gross as that is sometimes,
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clearly they're still on that mission of,
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this technology should be accessible
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to anyone who can afford it,
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and we want as many people to be able
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to afford it as possible.
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I think that's pretty great.
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- Do we have what it takes to establish
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a third category of products?
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awesome product in between a laptop and a smartphone. Well the bar is pretty high.
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It's got to be far better at doing some key things like these. And we think we
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got the goods. We think we've done it and we are so excited about this product.
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Another thing we're so excited about is that because we've shipped over 75
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million iPhones and iPod touches there's over 75 million people that already know
02:20:13
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how to use the iPad so we can't wait for them to get their hands on it. So Steve
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is closing by really answering the question that he asked at the beginning
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of the event can a third category of device sitting between the laptop and
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between the smartphone make sense could it work and he says we we think we've
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got something that is a good compromise, I guess, between all the different categories,
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but not just a compromise between a laptop and a smartphone, really it excels at some
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key tasks that people want to do on this kind of device.
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And multiple times he's talking about the iPad as an intuitive, as an easy and fun device
02:21:01
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The word "fun" is used many many times throughout the show to either to refer to the iPad as
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something that you hold in your hands and you can carry around and use whatever you
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want and also to the software, the software being fun and being, you know, almost realistic
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in a way that you already know how to use these apps.
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And also another recurring theme that it repeats in the conclusion of the keynote is that the
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iPad fits the user.
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You don't have to adjust yourself to use the device because of the screen, because of the
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form factor and because it's something that you carry with you all the time and because
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of the battery life, because it lasts for 10 hours, the iPad fits your lifestyle and
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you can just rely on the apps to get work done or to watch movies or to listen to music,
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to your music collection as it says on your device.
02:21:59
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And now what comes next from Jobs is a quote that we see play over and over in the Apple
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And it's about what he calls the intersection of technology and liberal arts.
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Now the reason that Apple is able to create products like the iPad is because we've always
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tried to be at the intersection of technology and liberal arts.
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To be able to get the best of both,
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to make extremely advanced products from a technology
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point of view, but also have them be intuitive, easy to use,
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fun to use, so that they really fit the users.
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The users don't have to come to them, they come to the user.
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And it's the combination of these two things
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that I think is let us make the kind of creative products
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like the iPad.
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- This one sentence destroys the entire thing for me
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because I hate this term more than anything in the world.
02:23:16
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- Because what happened was Steve Jobs said something
02:23:19
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really cool and he had to put a graphic up.
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And I don't hate what Jobs said.
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I hate what came afterwards.
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Was everyone, everywhere,
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being at the intersection of something.
02:23:31
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There, the intersection of something of something.
02:23:33
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Like this show is at the intersection
02:23:34
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of show notes and photo management.
02:23:39
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- You say show notes and photo management?
02:23:44
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- It already is, by the way.
02:23:45
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- Like it's just so annoying.
02:23:46
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Like every Apple podcast for like six years
02:23:49
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was at the intersection of something of something.
02:23:51
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Yeah. Hey guys, I'm going to eat a burrito after this and it's going to be at the
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intersection of deliciousness and pain.
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I hate this so much.
02:24:00
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Yeah. So I, I, okay, I'll give you that. Um,
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it's been overplayed, but I do think it's interesting. And I think in many ways,
02:24:09
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you know, Jobs had a couple of keynotes after this. Um,
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but I think in many ways this slide really sums up his view of Apple as not only
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a company but as a force in the world.
02:24:23
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And again, the iPad is clearly, he's really in the case of the iPad, also stands at this
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intersection.
02:24:30
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But I really think it's sort of a meta statement about Apple itself.
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And one I think that you can really see, even if you go back to the first jobs era of, jobs
02:24:41
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spend a lot of time trying to put Apple computers in classrooms and making them really accessible
02:24:48
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for lots of people, even the original Macintosh, you know, stripping away all of the things
02:24:52
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that weren't necessary to make it a useful tool for people who want to be creative and
02:24:58
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people who wanted to be able to write and, you know, make things with a computer.
02:25:05
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And so I think this intersection of technology and liberal arts is something that I think
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that was very close to Steve Jobs.
02:25:12
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I think it's still very close to the heart of Apple, this idea that technology can make
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the world better.
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And not just in a way that's economic or in a way that is technology for its own sake,
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but for technology for the sake of humanity.
02:25:31
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That's ridiculous talk about a company that way, but I think it's true and I think it's
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why so many people resonate with this stuff so well.
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guys today, I think what really jumps out at me is that Steve leads this keynote with
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software for a reason.
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And I think that's really true, that resonates across a lot of Apple's products.
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Apple has been said as a software company first that happens to make hardware.
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And I think that's definitely the case when it comes to the iPad.
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That's why things like the hardware sort of just being really minimal and being very simple,
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why that's so important, especially on the iPad.
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And I think that's why Jobs starts with the interface and doesn't lead off with things
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like look how crazy thin this is.
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They do that now more because people understand it, but especially early on, leading with
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this off to where I think was a really good way to go.
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And I think it was really important to the iPad
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being understood by people watching.
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- I think, you know, I said this before,
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and like the way that I look at this event as a whole,
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Steve did like a really good job of showing you
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what the iPad's purpose is.
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Like, why do you need the iPad?
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What are you gonna do with it?
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You know, he even says like it has to be better
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at these tasks when referring to email, reading,
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like they really show like this is what the iPad is for,
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this is what we see it to be for.
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They had apps that came out to show that.
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I feel like Apple lately has maybe done not a good job of it
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or maybe there's something that needs to change
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or I don't know what it is,
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but I feel myself asking the question
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like what do I need an iPad for?
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And I don't use an iPad anymore, like I simply don't use it.
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Like for the last few weeks,
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I haven't even had an iPad in this house
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because I borrowed mine to my girlfriend.
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And I don't feel that as a problem in any way.
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And the reason, the main reason why I think
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that that's interesting is as I was watching this keynote,
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I wanted to buy an iPad so bad.
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And I was considering going to buy an Air 2
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because Steve Jobs was sitting on stage
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and I was like, yes, I can do all of that.
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I can sit in a seat like that and do my email.
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But like half an hour after the keynote finished,
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like I finished watching it, that went away again,
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because I started to think about the fact
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that I don't use an iPad.
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So you can show me that there's a use for it,
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but I don't think that that, personally,
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I don't feel that it's evolved over time.
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I think the original iPad introduction was fantastic
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showing us why we needed one.
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But I think as time has gone on, there are edge cases.
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I have the pleasure of talking to an edge case
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multiple times a week.
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But I think for the majority of people,
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the iPad has not adapted on from what
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the original instruction was.
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And of course, I disagree there.
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And not just because I'm an edge case,
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but because I think the numbers speak for themselves.
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I mean, the iPad has been Apple's fastest selling device
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And yes, it's been slowing lately,
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but that also coincides with Apple not--
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I guess not making, you know, at least not telling a very compelling story about the device.
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And I think that, like, the way I see it, the iPad keynote, the original iPad announcement,
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for me at least, it's like the last keynote of the old computing era. Like, there's
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before, not just about the iPad, but there's before this keynote and after this keynote
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in a way that, again, this is not strictly about the iPad, but also other companies and
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just I guess the industry in general.
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The iPad, I think, started this kind of a massive change about just making everything
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mobile, even more so than what the iPhone did and what the original iPhone did.
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But just like maybe it's that maybe the iPad didn't exactly play itself a big role in this
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and maybe or maybe it was just the iPad accelerated an existing process.
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But after 2010, I think that people's workflows and like the way that people use devices like
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electronic devices and computers, it has shifted quickly to a mobile-centric kind of lifestyle.
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And for me personally, the iPad is, I mean, it's been a huge change.
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much that I don't use a computer anymore except for doing this, like Skype every week.
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But the way that, like, what the iPad represents, more than what the iPad is, I think it's important
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Because it shows like these tasks, these key things that Jobs talks about, moving from
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computers to mobile devices.
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And yes, they've been moving already with the iPhone, but I think the iPad made a better
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example out of this transition from an era, from the old computing era, from spreadsheets
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and old computer stuff becoming new again on a mobile device.
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And I think, to Apple's credit, all these tasks that were transformed by Apple into
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apps, like the spreadsheet becoming a multi-touch experience with numbers, most of these apps
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that landed on the iPad didn't come to the iPhone until two years ago.
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So they were iPad only for a couple of years.
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And so maybe the iPad itself and iOS itself on the iPad is not a huge revolution.
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But what the iPad represents as a trend, as an overall change, I think that's massive.
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That's been a massive change in the industry and a massive change in the minds of people.
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Even if they don't actually use the iPad, even though millions of people do, I think
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the message is even more important than the device.
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And the message that Steve Jobs is saying that we're now in a post-PC era, that's even
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stronger than the practical benefit of the original iPad as a device.
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So I want to go back to something that you said right at the start, which was about the
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iPad being the fastest selling device.
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It's interesting to me.
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I know the fact is true.
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But I think that it's kind of a misnomer.
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Because 2010 Apple was very different.
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And it was the biggest new product they released.
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So I don't really have much to say.
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I think that that number, for me, doesn't necessarily tell
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anything, because Apple from 2010 to now is very different
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for Apple previous and I would say any new product
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that Apple releases will always sell incredibly well,
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incredibly fast.
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- No, I'm not sure.
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- I'm not saying, I think about that.
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I don't know where, I feel like I'm not 100% set in this.
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It's just something I ponder about and I guess really
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the only way that we'll know is if the Apple Watch
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then becomes the fastest selling Apple device of all time.
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If that's the case, I think it would show something.
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Well I think the iPad was able to do that, you know, it sold quicker than the iPhone
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but I think there are a couple factors to that.
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I think one, the iPad clearly stood on the success of the iPhone.
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People understood what it was, what it was for, how it worked.
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And it was less expensive in many cases and there was no contract involved.
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And so I think the iPad was sort of positioned to do that better than anything else.
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I think you're absolutely right, I think the watch is the next thing in that line.
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Like Macbooks, MacPros, never gonna do that.
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But I think if anything could it be the watch.
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I don't think it will.
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But I think that it's the next sort of item in line that could do it.
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You know I think to Federico's point, I think the iPad did change a lot of things.
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I think that it did lead this push into mobile.
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And there's something that gets quoted a lot, as Steve Jobs said at D8, which we opened
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with, this quote that's very well known and like the intersection quote, is brought up
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Is the tablet going to be eventually replaced with a laptop, do you think?
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There are a lot of people who say, "Well, you'll never do content creation on it," for
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think where it's going, not just the iPad but the tablet itself as a form factor.
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You know, I'm trying to think of a good analogy. When we were an agrarian nation, all cars
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were trucks, because that's what you needed on the farm. But as vehicles started to be
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used in the urban centers and America started to move into those urban and then suburban
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centers. Cars got more popular and innovations like automatic transmission and power steering
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and things that you didn't care about in a truck as much started to become paramount
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in cars. And now, probably, I don't know what the statistics are, maybe one out of every
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25 vehicles, 30 vehicles is a truck.
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Where it used to be 100%.
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PC's are gonna be like trucks.
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They're still gonna be around. They're still gonna have a lot of value.
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But they're gonna be used by 1 out of x people.
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And when you say PC, just so I'm clear, it's not PC vs Mac.
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You mean personal computers and you're including laptops and desktops.
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Okay, and and this transformation is gonna make some people uneasy
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People from the PC world like you and me
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It's gonna make us uneasy
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Because the PC's taken us a long ways
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It's brilliant
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We like to talk about the post PC era, but when it really starts to happen, I think it's uncomfortable
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for a lot of people and because it's change and a lot of vested interests are going to change and it's going to be different
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So I think that we're embarked on that
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but I wonder I
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Wonder how that quote holds up because Federico I hear what you say
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That the iPad has changed the way people think about computers, and I think that's absolutely true
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for a lot of people
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But then I look around at my job and look around at my even my own personal use and the world
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still runs on keyboard on computers with keyboards and mice and
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It still runs on
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Desktops and laptops and yes, absolutely. There are people who can do it on tablet you being the king of those people
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And I don't mean to say that to discount anything you've done, but I think that out in the real world
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The iPad is maybe more of a philosophical change than an actual change
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tablets aren't even non iPad tablets tablets have not made a big impression in the workplace and
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Depending on how you look at the data, you know may have made a big impact in education
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But now according to some people are losing out to things like Chromebooks
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And so while I do think the iPad moved the bar
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I don't think it's held its ground and I don't think that at another five years
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That my you know company of 20 people like I don't think we're all like I don't think we're all gonna be doing our work
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On iPads, we're still gonna be doing them on laptops. And so I wonder I
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Don't think the cars and truck analogy is a bad one. But I think that it's one that that jobs either
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Either it hasn't come true yet, which like I'm willing to concede that I could just be early in my condemnation of it
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it, or something that he didn't quite get right in hindsight?
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Well, see, even you and me, or the workplace, we're just a fraction of the real world.
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Because I recognize that what I do is a bit strange, because most people don't want to
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work exclusively on an iPad.
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But even you and your job, maybe the people I know, we don't represent the world, right?
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We're just a small corner of this industry.
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And we cannot account for those stories of entire classrooms switching to iPads.
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Or maybe, you know, for instance in developing countries, kids and people, and again classrooms
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or maybe offices using iPads because they're so accessible and cheap.
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I don't think it's happening in offices.
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I spend my day in and out of companies.
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But in America?
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Far bigger than mine.
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Only in America?
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But yes, I will put that as an asterisk that only in America, but in major corporations
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like it's not the iPad if anything is supplementing the desktop but it is not replacing it.
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And again like it might just be early it might be that once iPads are more powerful or you
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can develop on an iPad maybe it makes a bigger inroad but currently I think at best the tablet
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is a supplement to the existing mostly Windows infrastructure that businesses still run on.
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And Jobs doesn't mention businesses in this keynote.
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That's a new thing that Apple's trying to go after.
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But I think even that said, with Bring Your Own Device, I don't think the iPad has spread
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much bigger than just the individual consumer and maybe education.
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What I'm trying to say is that because the iPad hasn't taken off in the business and
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the enterprise, it doesn't mean that the tablet cannot change the world.
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And without due respect, it's not just referring to your office or to Myke's previous office,
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it's just in general, I think more than anything else, this is the kind of change that comes
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from the bottom, not from the enterprise, not from office managers deciding to use Windows
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or Chromebooks instead of iPads. I think it's a change from the people, it's a change of
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parents using iPads because computers are too complex, or it's a change of kids growing
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up playing games on the iPad and eventually writing college essays on the iPad, and it's
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a change from a classroom in India using an iPad instead of a textbook. It's a change
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from people, not from office workers. And I genuinely believe that, not because I want
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to somehow justify my investment in the iPad as a device that I use. I think that, and
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And again, it's not the iPad, it's the tablet in general, the iPad being the kind of tablet
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that we happen to discuss.
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I think that the tablet as a touch device that it's portable and that it doesn't depend
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on a keyboard and all these other accessories and ports.
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I think that's a kind of change that doesn't happen in a business environment.
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It's a kind of change that happens in normal people, in casual people, and that gradually
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extends to businesses and offices.
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So one of the things that I saw in my previous company, the company didn't support iPads,
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at least at that time, and that would be something that I knew was going to come and they were
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going to, like with the bring your own device thing that I have spoken about in previous
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But what I saw quite a bit of, and there were always more people doing it, it wasn't lots
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and lots and lots, but there will always seem to be more people doing it, was to have an
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iPad with them that they took notes on.
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And that seemed to be, it was never a prevailing thing, but the longer I was there, the more
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people I saw doing that.
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And so I agree with you Federico to a point, it's something that these things, and it's
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the same with the iPhone initially and how the iPhone broke into the enterprise in the
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first place is these things come from a groundswell and it's like people start
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doing them so eventually the company has to support them because enough
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executives decide that that's the way that they want to go and that's where
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like the whole BYOD program comes from it's it's tablets as well as iPhones but
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one of the one of the big problems is is they will most likely in most big
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companies they may be huge but they'll only be used for some tasks probably not
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all tasks because I don't imagine a world where legacy software is ever going to be
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ported to iOS devices. So if a company uses some sort of legacy system to do something,
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it probably will remain that way, especially where Windows remains a prevailing architecture
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in an organization. The most you're ever going to get is visualization. It's not going to
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at scale to try and use Windows XP and an iPad via a VPN or some sort of virtualization.
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But I do agree that I think that as we go through into history, a lot of tasks in these
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businesses will get taken over by iPads, but I don't imagine a lot of large companies being
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able to completely switch over, ever.
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So what about the iPad itself?
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We're kind of talking about the tablet in general, but what do the next five years hold
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for Apple's tablet?
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I mean, you know, clearly there's some obvious ones, thinner, lighter.
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We've talked a lot about a bigger iPad on this show, but what do you guys want out of
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the next five years of iPads?
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Yeah, amen brother.
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I feel like maybe Steven, me and you should ask and then we separate Federicas once into
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a whole new podcast series. For me, I can't quantify what I want from the iPad. I just
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know that I don't really use one enough and I don't know what that could mean for me.
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I don't know what I could need to see that the iPad becomes this really important thing.
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If I could genuinely believe that I could properly record podcasts on it, it could power
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like maybe if we saw more lightning microphones, you know, so we could
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have a really good quality microphone that's powered by the lightning port and
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that's something that could potentially happen and then maybe if people, if there
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are more like really powerful looking software or maybe if Apple decides to
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embrace podcasting in the second Renaissance that we're in and really
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maybe make their own, maybe that's an app they could make, right? A podcast app.
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But yes, I don't know, I think I just need for me personally, I need more places where
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I can practically apply an iPad to my life where the Mac, where it's better than the
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Mac and for a lot of those things I don't see because my iPhone does such a great job,
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maybe I need my iPhone on my iPad to be more different in some way.
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I think especially looking back at the keynote with the slide of a Macbook and an iPad and
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an iPhone, I think five years later, looking back at that slide feels like it makes the
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iPad look not as something that can be your only device, but something that comes after
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the MacBook and that's also before the iPhone in a way that you cannot rely solely on the
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And sometimes, even though I don't use my MacBook, I still have to use my MacBook for
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Like five years later, I wonder how many people at Apple can work only on an iPad, or if maybe
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they still see the iPad as something that you use in addition to a MacBook.
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So from the next five years of the iPad, I would like to see Apple doing the kind of
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changes that can allow everyone to use an iPad as their only device. Just like an iPhone
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can be used as your only phone computer in your pocket, because I mean you're not buying
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multiple phones, you're not buying multiple pocket computers, but today you cannot do
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everything on an iPad. It's still a problem. I shouldn't have to use a Mac to record on Skype.
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I shouldn't have to use a Mac for iTunes stuff that Apple still hasn't brought to the iPad.
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I shouldn't have to use a Mac to listen to louder music because the speakers are better
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and I shouldn't use a Mac because it has more RAM or because it has more, you know, other like ports
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that let me connect accessories. So, like, I get it. Some tasks are exclusive to people
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like developers and power users. But I think that the iPad still has plenty of room for improvement
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for everyone, not just for people who do podcasts about Apple or release apps on the App Store.
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The iPads, in many ways, like...
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For me it's been a massive change, but it doesn't mean that it cannot get better.
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So, it's still painful often to switch between apps and have the apps lose your place,
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because they're being ejected from memory.
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Or the fact that I mentioned before that I cannot really go a full day without charging my iPad,
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at least, you know, once or a couple of times in the afternoon.
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And when it comes to the software which is really the core of the iPad experience,
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Apple has been doing a lot of things with iOS 8 and letting apps communicate and all of that,
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but it still takes me quite a few taps or manuals which are in between apps
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when I want to do stuff that on a Mac will only require me two clicks.
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So, after five years, I'm thinking about myself first.
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Five years ago, I launched a website about Macs.
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Five years later, the website is still there, still the same name,
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but I don't really use a Mac anymore because I work from the iPad.
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So I have like this this sort of personal arc of like I'm going from
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watching the iPad keynote and today I work on my iPad so that's been nice and
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that's been like
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Cool to to witness like the kind of the kinds of apps that that have been released on the iPad and all that
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But also have my questions and and hopes
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for the iPad being granted?
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Has the iPad changed the world? Has the iPad changed the tech industry?
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Is the iPad... Can the iPad be a computer for everyone and for everything?
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And I think that the question is no, that
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that's still
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work to do and
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so in five years Apple has done a, you know,
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releasing software changes and apps and hardware revisions that have done a good amount of work in that regard.
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The next five years,
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I think it'll be the hardest part for Apple to do the remaining aspects of the iPad.
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Can this become a real computer for everything and everyone?
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Not just the workplace, not just the casual user, and not just these kinds of apps, and
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not just these kinds of features, just everything and everyone.
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And that's still up in the air.
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Well that about wraps up this very special episode of Connected.
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I think the sad thing, guys, is we can't do this again for like five years.
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Oh well, it depends, because we can do five years of the iPhone 4.
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That's a good point.
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Let's just go through that.
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We can go old.
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Five years of Retina display this year.
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We could do the 17 year anniversary of the Power Mac 8800.
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On that note, thank you so much to our sponsors this week, our good friends at igloo, our
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friends at automatic, and our friends at lynda.
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Thank you all for listening.
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We love to put these episodes together and we hope that you'll love listening to it as
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much as we love making it.
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If you want to find us online, there's a few places that you can do that.
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Steven is freaking out in our group chat right now.
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Would you like to just before I wrap up, would you like to correct yourself?
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There was no power Mac 8800.
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I'm sorry if I misled you.
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Okay, just so I'll let you do that before you have to like is it do that?
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Is it seppuku the the samurai thing where you like stab yourself with your own sword?
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Wow, nice one.
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get people fined. Can we just go back to the part before I said silly things?
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Of course we can. We're all on Twitter. If you'd like to find Mr. Steven Hackett, he
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is @ismh and Federico is @theteachee. V-I-T-I-C-C-I and I am @imike. I-M-Y-K-E. If you'd like
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to find the mammoth show notes for this week's episode, point your browsing of the web application
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and go to relay.fm/connected/24. And guys, you can hold it in the palm of your hands
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if you want to. If you want to find our work in other places on the internet, you can find
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Steven at FiveTailPixels.net, Federico at MacStories.net, and of course I have many
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more shows over at Relay.fm, and don't forget to check out Rockette, one of our new additions
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to Relay.fm, it's a great show shaping up to be very, very awesome to listen to, you
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should check that out. Thanks so much for listening to this very special episode, and
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we'll be back next time. Say goodbye, gentlemen.
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Arrivederci.
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All this power and this much fun and the internet in your hands, you'll never want to go back.
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So thank you so much for coming this morning and we hope you love the iPad as much as we do.
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Thank you very much.
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