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00:00:07 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode 25.

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00:00:27 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and I had the pleasure today of being joined by Mr. Steven Hackett.

00:00:30 ◼   ► Hello, Steven.

00:00:31 ◼   ► Hey, guys. Welcome back.

00:00:33 ◼   ► And Mr. Federica Vitici. Hi, Federica.

00:00:36 ◼   ► Hey, boys.

00:00:37 ◼   ► Feels like it's been forever since we spoke.

00:00:39 ◼   ► It's been like two decades, I think.

00:00:42 ◼   ► Two whole decades.

00:00:43 ◼   ► It's true.

00:00:44 ◼   ► It was weird because we did the special and then I missed the show.

00:00:47 ◼   ► And so it's been a while since I've spoken to you guys in our

00:00:50 ◼   ► I mean, we talk all the time, but in our podcast machine, it's been a while.

00:00:54 ◼   ► In the world's greatest.

00:00:56 ◼   ► You know, Steven and I secretly recorded an episode of "Connected" with Myke last week.

00:01:02 ◼   ► He didn't want to publish it because it was all about window management on OS X.

00:01:08 ◼   ► Then window management on iOS and that took about 25 seconds to get through.

00:01:11 ◼   ► I can't tell who you're trolling.

00:01:13 ◼   ► Everyone.

00:01:14 ◼   ► Everyone.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Anyone.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Anyone that owns a computer.

00:01:17 ◼   ► This is the popular multi-troll.

00:01:20 ◼   ► It's like with a single sentence you control multiple people at once.

00:01:25 ◼   ► I've been working on this method for a few years now.

00:01:30 ◼   ► I'm happy to say.

00:01:34 ◼   ► I won't finish that sentence, Myke. I'm sorry.

00:01:38 ◼   ► We have an action-packed show today, gentlemen. We should do

00:01:41 ◼   ► some follow-up. So our first follow-up is about photo

00:01:47 ◼   ► management, which we have not really covered before, but I thought it could be

00:01:50 ◼   ► interesting to get into. So picture life which Federico is picture life one that

00:01:57 ◼   ► you tried? Yeah. One of you guys tried it right? Yeah. I used it for like for like a

00:02:02 ◼   ► year I think actually. I still have all my old photos in there so. I believe

00:02:08 ◼   ► Casey List was their last user. Did he just sign up and then they got acquired?

00:02:12 ◼   ► No he just loves it. He uses it all the time. He's always sending me pictures of

00:02:17 ◼   ► London and they've got URLs of PictureLife.

00:02:21 ◼   ► So Casey only sends you pictures of London from PictureLife.

00:02:27 ◼   ► That's what he does to you on iMessage.

00:02:35 ◼   ► So it's being acquired by a company whose name I am searching for as I stream.

00:02:41 ◼   ► Thank you! StreamNation, which is a pretty great cloud company name, and they say that

00:02:49 ◼   ► basically picture life for the short term will stay the same, but they laid off a bunch

00:02:54 ◼   ► of people, is that right?

00:02:56 ◼   ► Who asked StreamNation? What do they do? I've never heard of them.

00:03:00 ◼   ► They own PictureLife now.

00:03:02 ◼   ► It's basically like a digital hub in the cloud for movies, music files, and now pictures.

00:03:08 ◼   ► So it's like any kind of media file into this sort of account that you keep and you stream

00:03:13 ◼   ► stuff to all your devices.

00:03:15 ◼   ► It's kind of like Plex, but like less popular, I think.

00:03:19 ◼   ► Actually, you know, it would have been great if Plex acquired Picture Life, because StreamNation

00:03:25 ◼   ► doesn't seem to have much of a name, at least in our, you know, like I never heard of this

00:03:31 ◼   ► StreamNation before, personally, and I tend to try a lot of apps.

00:03:34 ◼   ► So it's kind of weird.

00:03:35 ◼   ► Yeah, that is weird that you wouldn't have heard of that.

00:03:37 ◼   ► I genuinely mean that. I'd never heard of them.

00:03:40 ◼   ► I didn't know that they made services.

00:03:42 ◼   ► It sounds like one of those Akamai,

00:03:44 ◼   ► those just streaming service providers.

00:03:47 ◼   ► StreamNation's a really weird name.

00:03:49 ◼   ► I think this is Verge article in here.

00:03:51 ◼   ► I haven't actually read this Verge article,

00:03:52 ◼   ► but the title's interesting enough.

00:03:55 ◼   ► Why Every Photo Storage Company Gets Acquired or Dies.

00:04:00 ◼   ► Is it fair to say this will just never work?

00:04:04 ◼   ► This is a business that will just never work?

00:04:06 ◼   ► Because no one's been able to keep it up.

00:04:08 ◼   ► Yeah, and I think there's some, I think this Verdu

00:04:35 ◼   ► base to sustain them. So I guess having a lot of users is kind of like rolling the

00:04:40 ◼   ► dice as well isn't it really because you've got to hope that you get a lot of

00:04:44 ◼   ► users and a big portion of them don't have a lot of photos. If you have lots of

00:04:47 ◼   ► photos, lots of users and they all have lots of photos you're just like

00:04:50 ◼   ► magnifying the problems. Yeah so Casey uploading gigabytes of images to picture

00:04:55 ◼   ► life cost them you know more money than you know I think I tried it out and

00:04:59 ◼   ► uploaded like my little test album and I didn't cost them hardly anything. So it's

00:05:03 ◼   ► definitely you know it's not surprising like you know picture life kind of lasted

00:05:08 ◼   ► longer than most you know we've ever picked passed away we have loom was

00:05:13 ◼   ► purchased by Dropbox right yep so it became carousel yeah that's right and

00:05:19 ◼   ► you know I think I think it's it's clear that these things just can't they don't

00:05:23 ◼   ► just have enough steam behind they don't have enough resources behind them to be

00:05:26 ◼   ► standalone companies anymore yeah I think the biggest problem is that and I

00:05:33 ◼   ► I realize that this is unpopular between us, but most people don't want to manage photos.

00:05:39 ◼   ► They just expect to be able to take pictures on a smartphone and the pictures are into

00:05:44 ◼   ► the photos or gallery app, whatever they're called.

00:05:48 ◼   ► And they don't want to have the basic homework to do to manage photos once they're done.

00:05:57 ◼   ► They just expect to be able to open an app and find the photos.

00:06:01 ◼   ► And the problem is that these companies originally tried to solve a problem, which is you want

00:06:06 ◼   ► to back up all your photos in the cloud.

00:06:08 ◼   ► But now that the cloud has come in different ways to the default apps by Apple and Microsoft

00:06:14 ◼   ► and Google, these companies are trying to solve different problems and trying to sell

00:06:20 ◼   ► features like these extra options to people.

00:06:23 ◼   ► Like on Picture Life you can organize your photos, you can view them on a map, or you

00:06:28 ◼   ► can do albums in a different way, that's a really tiny market.

00:06:33 ◼   ► And especially it's a tiny market with high costs, because if you're trying to sell this

00:06:38 ◼   ► kind of product, and then you have to account for the Amazon Web Services costs, you're

00:06:45 ◼   ► going to have a problem, which is the reason why all these companies either sell out or

00:06:52 ◼   ► they need to shut down like Everpeaks.

00:06:54 ◼   ► Because it's very sad to say, but even if you have great features, these are options.

00:07:01 ◼   ► They're not a product.

00:07:02 ◼   ► And most people expect photo management to not be actually about management at all.

00:07:10 ◼   ► They expect the photos app on their device to have their photos on all their devices.

00:07:15 ◼   ► And so I think it's sad, but also kind of not surprising.

00:07:21 ◼   ► And good luck to StreamNation.

00:07:24 ◼   ► Yeah, I guess because if you try to bundle all these different media features into one

00:07:30 ◼   ► service, it actually makes more sense because you have something like blacks and this StreamNation

00:07:35 ◼   ► sounds very similar.

00:07:37 ◼   ► So I kind of see the appeal of, okay, I want to manage all my media in a single place.

00:07:43 ◼   ► And I'm the kind of user that wants to keep MP3 files.

00:07:46 ◼   ► I want to keep JPEG photos.

00:07:48 ◼   ► I want to browse and manually connect them to my TV.

00:07:50 ◼   ► So it kind of makes sense.

00:07:52 ◼   ► But a photo product alone, it's a big problem.

00:07:55 ◼   ► I think it's safe to say you can't do this photo management stuff unless you have another

00:08:00 ◼   ► product that you sell.

00:08:01 ◼   ► So companies like Google and Dropbox and Apple and Microsoft can do them because they're

00:08:06 ◼   ► like bolt-ons for other services that they have and then they can kind of even up the

00:08:10 ◼   ► cost that way and/or they actually host them themselves.

00:08:16 ◼   ► Amazon could probably do it as well quite well.

00:08:17 ◼   ► I know they have something like that.

00:08:19 ◼   ► But that seems like they're the companies that can do it, and these independent companies

00:08:24 ◼   ► start up.

00:08:25 ◼   ► So I can't see it ever panning out.

00:08:27 ◼   ► I think that that market has proven itself now to be a not very successful one.

00:08:33 ◼   ► Right.

00:08:34 ◼   ► Someone like Apple or Google can do it because they are padding that cost elsewhere.

00:08:38 ◼   ► I'd be very curious to know what an average iCloud user costs Apple a year.

00:08:45 ◼   ► I pay the lowest tier, like the 99 cents a month or something.

00:08:48 ◼   ► Surely it costs them more than that, I would think, especially once Photos comes online.

00:08:54 ◼   ► But they can offset that by the fact that I have an $800 phone in my pocket.

00:08:58 ◼   ► So it's different when you have a bigger company that can do more things and you can move things

00:09:03 ◼   ► around where your P&L isn't as simple as, "These Photos came in, this money came out,

00:09:08 ◼   ► we are dead."

00:09:09 ◼   ► So it's a simple equation, I think.

00:09:13 ◼   ► Should we move on?

00:09:15 ◼   ► Yes.

00:09:16 ◼   ► Should we move on from the management?

00:09:17 ◼   ► Yes.

00:09:18 ◼   ► Podcast Comic Part 2 is up, the link is in the show notes. Federico, where could

00:09:25 ◼   ► the show notes be found? Well the show notes are... I'm very sad to announce that

00:09:34 ◼   ► the show notes are ending. There's gonna be no more show notes. I think you've

00:09:38 ◼   ► misread the follow-up document a little bit. Did I? Really? Yeah, just a tad. The show notes will continue. We'll get to the end of the show notes

00:09:48 ◼   ► shortly. Well my interpretation was more epic. Yes it was, I think it was. Just slightly

00:09:55 ◼   ► misinformed. The show notes will continue to be at relay.fm/connected and this week's can be at

00:10:00 ◼   ► slash 25. There's no more show notes. No that's not what that means. Steve B thank you so much

00:10:07 ◼   ► for the second edition of the connected comics you go and read and it'll be in the show notes

00:10:12 ◼   ► this one is as epic as the first if not more so and it and it requires some

00:10:19 ◼   ► listener participation will not spoil it you should go and check it out it's uh

00:10:24 ◼   ► there's some frightening things in this comic there are there I'm a little I'm

00:10:28 ◼   ► afraid we're not gonna spoil it but I'm afraid of what happens to us

00:10:31 ◼   ► um all right so we have we so we got a lot I got a lot of email about the iPad

00:10:39 ◼   ► special. Thank you for all the kind words. I can speak for all three of us that we...

00:10:43 ◼   ► I think we're all very happy with how that came out. We had a lot of emails,

00:10:48 ◼   ► I read them all, I didn't get to reply to all of them, about people saying, you know,

00:10:53 ◼   ► using the iPads, especially in school, and just kind of how the iPad has made a

00:10:57 ◼   ► difference in a lot of people's lives, not just three of us, not just Federico.

00:11:01 ◼   ► There was one tweet, though, that I really wanted to call out, so it'll be in the

00:11:05 ◼   ► show notes that we're talking about someone mentioned that iBooks was like

00:11:10 ◼   ► the worst example of skeuomorphism ever and then there's this graphic of the

00:11:14 ◼   ► iowa7 iBooks and all the books are kind of like fallen off the shelves because

00:11:18 ◼   ► the shelves aren't there anymore they're sort of like collapsed on the bottom of

00:11:21 ◼   ► the iPad it's really it's really quite funny my book is also falling off the

00:11:26 ◼   ► shelf I saw that but you're gonna set up yeah you you're sort of laying on top of

00:11:30 ◼   ► what looks like a Max Sparky field guide. I'm on top of Max Sparky, yeah. It's kind

00:11:36 ◼   ► of weird. Yeah, great graphic. Yeah, really funny. So that'll be in the show

00:11:42 ◼   ► notes. We also have a photo sent to us by Jason Snell. Come on, really?

00:11:50 ◼   ► I'm not familiar with his work. Is this really by Jason? It really is by Jason. He

00:11:56 ◼   ► sent me this image of him listening to connected outside of the one infinite

00:12:01 ◼   ► loop in his car. He actually does this. Yeah, so there's an old joke that

00:12:06 ◼   ► if you get it then awesome and if you don't then we'll just carry on. So

00:12:12 ◼   ► this is the announcement. So we have an announcement to make. Are you guys ready?

00:12:15 ◼   ► Chat or are you sitting down? I'm ready. Please correct Federico for us. We have an

00:12:19 ◼   ► announcement about the future of the show and really of all podcasting ever.

00:12:24 ◼   ► we are bringing the show notes and old browsers vertical to borrow a term from

00:12:32 ◼   ► another show it's coming to an end so these three links that are in the show

00:12:37 ◼   ► notes by Spencer on Twitter of connected in iCAB and connected in IE6 which is

00:12:46 ◼   ► really a lot of fun as well as his final one show notes and conqueror which uses

00:12:52 ◼   ► basically a precursor to WebKit. It's time to put this this follow-up

00:12:58 ◼   ► thread to bed and I think I speak for all of us. We are sunsetting the show

00:13:05 ◼   ► notes in old browsers. Yes we're working on the museum if you heard that episode

00:13:08 ◼   ► I'm hard at work curating and walking around looking fancy and we're going to

00:13:15 ◼   ► preserve these somewhere but for now the the show notes in old browsers is over

00:13:22 ◼   ► We've been able to...

00:13:24 ◼   ► We already bought a cape for Steven, and we are looking into launching a crowdfunding campaign to acquire the frames that we're gonna use to hang the prints of the channels in old browsers.

00:13:40 ◼   ► We're gonna launch an Indiegogo campaign to buy frames for our museum.

00:13:46 ◼   ► We've also been able to console Steven adequately.

00:13:51 ◼   ► I know that he's very sad that this needs to end, but the sun has set on this vertical.

00:13:57 ◼   ► So here's the thing.

00:13:58 ◼   ► So I am a little sad, but I'm really proud of the work that people did to document this.

00:14:04 ◼   ► I mean, really, if you think about it, it's nuts that anybody actually did this.

00:14:08 ◼   ► And so I, for one, I'm sad but happy at the same time.

00:14:12 ◼   ► It's very confusing being me right now.

00:14:15 ◼   ► Do you feel like you changed people's lives?

00:14:20 ◼   ► I would say that we made a dent in the universe.

00:14:23 ◼   ► I think we're at the intersection of art and history.

00:14:30 ◼   ► Myke is going to be so happy with this segment of the show.

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00:16:35 ◼   ► So, topic zero.

00:16:39 ◼   ► We've gone back to our weird topic.

00:16:40 ◼   ► We have topic zero, topic 0.5, and then topic 0.9.

00:16:44 ◼   ► It's hard to understand.

00:16:47 ◼   ► Topic zero, we spoke, man, I think a long time ago, Myke, about your setup and if a

00:16:53 ◼   ► Mac Pro would be a good fit for you.

00:16:57 ◼   ► We decided no.

00:16:58 ◼   ► We decided no, that a Mac Pro was not a good fit for me and that I was going to get a Mac

00:17:02 ◼   ► Mini.

00:17:03 ◼   ► But then what happened, Steven?

00:17:04 ◼   ► What are you recording on right now?

00:17:06 ◼   ► Well, I was-- you jumped a step.

00:17:07 ◼   ► I was saying, Apple disappointed us with the Mac Mini.

00:17:11 ◼   ► Oh, yes.

00:17:12 ◼   ► Yeah, the new one's lame.

00:17:13 ◼   ► There's no quad core anymore.

00:17:14 ◼   ► Although, did you guys see, like last week, I saw an article,

00:17:17 ◼   ► the quad core is for sale again, but it's the old one?

00:17:19 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:20 ◼   ► It's very-- like, I don't--

00:17:21 ◼   ► That's only in the US as well.

00:17:22 ◼   ► Well, at least it was when I checked.

00:17:24 ◼   ► Oh, is it?

00:17:24 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:17:25 ◼   ► Is it?

00:17:25 ◼   ► OK.

00:17:26 ◼   ► And then we looked at an iMac, but you

00:17:28 ◼   ► didn't want an iMac on your desk for many, many reasons, which

00:17:31 ◼   ► I totally understand.

00:17:32 ◼   ► And so we opted to buy a Mac Pro.

00:17:35 ◼   ► - Yes, we have a Mac Pro,

00:17:36 ◼   ► and I've been using it for about two weeks now.

00:17:39 ◼   ► And I'm happy to say that I really love it.

00:17:42 ◼   ► I'm very happy with my Mac Pro.

00:17:44 ◼   ► But we have a couple of stories

00:17:46 ◼   ► that I would like to tell very quickly,

00:17:48 ◼   ► because I think that they're incredibly entertaining.

00:17:50 ◼   ► So we bought the Mac Pro in the UK.

00:17:53 ◼   ► It was very expensive,

00:17:55 ◼   ► especially in dollars because of that.

00:17:57 ◼   ► So we got it here,

00:18:00 ◼   ► and we unboxed it and I put the thing together

00:18:03 ◼   ► and I started plugging everything in

00:18:05 ◼   ► and was just slightly getting the Mac ready.

00:18:08 ◼   ► And I don't know what made me think of this,

00:18:10 ◼   ► but I was like, 'cause if you remember,

00:18:12 ◼   ► if you remember the conversation we had many weeks ago

00:18:15 ◼   ► about that, I wanted audio in and audio out,

00:18:17 ◼   ► dedicated audio in and audio out.

00:18:19 ◼   ► I just thought it was a good thing to do.

00:18:21 ◼   ► So we thought, you know, that's something

00:18:24 ◼   ► that the Mac Pro definitely has

00:18:27 ◼   ► because there's two ports, right?

00:18:29 ◼   ► you have an audio and an audio output.

00:18:31 ◼   ► Turns out it doesn't.

00:18:32 ◼   ► The Mac Pro has two audio outs.

00:18:35 ◼   ► One is digital and one is digital with headset.

00:18:39 ◼   ► - Which is BS.

00:18:40 ◼   ► - Which makes no freaking sense.

00:18:42 ◼   ► Apple, I hate you so much for doing that.

00:18:45 ◼   ► So, because I have things set up in a peculiar way

00:18:50 ◼   ► that allows me to play sound effects and stuff

00:18:51 ◼   ► all through the same machine and mixer.

00:18:53 ◼   ► It's very complicated, but it works for me.

00:18:55 ◼   ► And basically, that wouldn't work.

00:18:59 ◼   ► So we were very upset, very scared.

00:19:01 ◼   ► Me and Steven were very scared at this point

00:19:03 ◼   ► 'cause we were worried that we'd spend a lot of money.

00:19:05 ◼   ► However, I have been able to fix it.

00:19:07 ◼   ► I purchased something called an i-mic,

00:19:10 ◼   ► which is amazing.

00:19:11 ◼   ► - Hilarious.

00:19:12 ◼   ► - By Griffin.

00:19:14 ◼   ► And it's basically just, it's an audio in to USB.

00:19:18 ◼   ► So basically I have my mixer is set up

00:19:22 ◼   ► with like multiple audio in and audio out.

00:19:24 ◼   ► It works, working absolutely perfectly.

00:19:26 ◼   ► Means I can still do things like this.

00:19:28 ◼   ► if I want to, so they're there, they're available to me,

00:19:31 ◼   ► to do at any moment, and that's one of the main reasons

00:19:34 ◼   ► that I like to have it set up in the weird way that I do.

00:19:36 ◼   ► The other thing was, I just needed to point this out

00:19:40 ◼   ► because one of the co-hosts of this show

00:19:43 ◼   ► believes that he is a lead genius of the Memphis region

00:19:46 ◼   ► and understands all about the K base

00:19:49 ◼   ► and everything like that.

00:19:50 ◼   ► So we are, we basically have found out

00:19:54 ◼   ► that this was a problem, and also I had started

00:19:56 ◼   ► to do Migration Assistant, and it told me

00:19:58 ◼   ► take about an hour and we had about 90 minutes until we needed to record this

00:20:01 ◼   ► show. Then it jumped to five hours. You started migration without consulting

00:20:09 ◼   ► anyone else. Just gonna put that out there. I'm not saying that's competition. Before you attempt to throw me under the bus, which I will refute.

00:20:15 ◼   ► Okay. Carry on. Well, we'll see if you're able to do that. Then it jumped to five

00:20:19 ◼   ► hours so I said to Steven, "What shall I do?" And also as well, at this time we were

00:20:22 ◼   ► freaking out that potentially the audio equipment wouldn't work properly with the

00:20:25 ◼   ► computer so I was like what should I do because you know I could record on my

00:20:29 ◼   ► USB microphone but like it's not gonna be great and he's like I believed you'd

00:20:34 ◼   ► said to me just power it off like just just shut it you can you can quit out of

00:20:40 ◼   ► migration assistant but that didn't work couldn't and so we just powered it off

00:20:44 ◼   ► which is fine wasn't fun great it's not great the absolute turns out fine was

00:20:48 ◼   ► couldn't have been further away from fine the machine would not boot it just

00:20:53 ◼   ► - It wouldn't boot.

00:20:54 ◼   ► - Tell the truth, Myke.

00:20:56 ◼   ► - It wouldn't boot.

00:20:57 ◼   ► I turned it on and it was just looking

00:20:59 ◼   ► to complete migration assistant

00:21:01 ◼   ► with nothing connected to it.

00:21:02 ◼   ► It would just sit there and couldn't do anything.

00:21:05 ◼   ► And also, I didn't have a keyboard

00:21:07 ◼   ► that I could connect to it,

00:21:08 ◼   ► so I couldn't do anything, I couldn't quit.

00:21:10 ◼   ► And then I was able to try and find a,

00:21:11 ◼   ► I then had a brainwave that I could connect

00:21:14 ◼   ► my weird Microsoft Bluetooth keyboard,

00:21:19 ◼   ► 'cause it has this little dongle.

00:21:20 ◼   ► 'Cause I couldn't connect a Bluetooth keyboard to it

00:21:22 ◼   ► because I couldn't do anything.

00:21:25 ◼   ► And then we were able to restart it and zap the PRAM.

00:21:30 ◼   ► And then it all worked.

00:21:31 ◼   ► And now it's been fine, and it's been great ever since.

00:21:33 ◼   ► And it's very fast, and it's very efficient.

00:21:35 ◼   ► I just wanted to tell this story to highlight the fact

00:21:38 ◼   ► that Steven gave some terrible advice.

00:21:42 ◼   ► Fine.

00:21:42 ◼   ► It was bad advice.

00:21:43 ◼   ► And chat room, I'm just ignoring you trolling me.

00:21:48 ◼   ► I didn't know any better.

00:21:49 ◼   ► I was relying on him.

00:21:50 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:21:52 ◼   ► It's not great, but it's fine.

00:21:55 ◼   ► And it works now, and it's wonderful.

00:21:56 ◼   ► And the Mac Mini is now going to a retirement

00:22:00 ◼   ► home for computers.

00:22:02 ◼   ► It's currently sitting underneath the desk

00:22:04 ◼   ► with the power cord wrapped around it.

00:22:05 ◼   ► Is it leveling the desk?

00:22:07 ◼   ► No, no, no.

00:22:09 ◼   ► It's sitting with my other backup equipment that I have.

00:22:12 ◼   ► Because I like to have backup equipment.

00:22:14 ◼   ► We still have it.

00:22:15 ◼   ► And you're seeing greatly improved bounce speeds.

00:22:18 ◼   ► Everything's quicker.

00:22:19 ◼   ► Everything's quicker.

00:22:21 ◼   ► everything is more efficient.

00:22:24 ◼   ► I'm able to do multiple things at once, which is amazing.

00:22:27 ◼   ► I did have the entire UI lock up on Monday

00:22:31 ◼   ► whilst recording upgrade.

00:22:33 ◼   ► - It's fine.

00:22:34 ◼   ► - Which led, and hilarity ensued.

00:22:35 ◼   ► Aside from that, it's been fantastic.

00:22:38 ◼   ► Federica, what do you think about Mac Pros?

00:22:41 ◼   ► Okay.

00:22:45 ◼   ► - I'm trying to think of a good analogy.

00:22:47 ◼   ► - Casey, let's really like some.

00:22:50 ◼   ► You know when you turn on the TV and there's like a talk show about science and you don't

00:22:56 ◼   ► understand a word of what they're saying?

00:23:00 ◼   ► That's kind of how I feel.

00:23:02 ◼   ► Like I get the basic story here, you bought a new computer and it didn't turn on and Steven

00:23:08 ◼   ► let you down.

00:23:11 ◼   ► So yeah, I feel for you but I'm kind of happy that you got it working.

00:23:15 ◼   ► I'm happy for you.

00:23:16 ◼   ► Thanks.

00:23:17 ◼   ► Thank you.

00:23:18 ◼   ► were panicky right like we have to record you can't record we've broken the computer

00:23:24 ◼   ► then I got more panicky and I was like oh just reset the PRAM and then you didn't have

00:23:31 ◼   ► a keyboard and it just but it's fine now and we're gonna cut all this out because I'm gonna

00:23:36 ◼   ► volunteer to edit the show and it's good it's fine.

00:23:40 ◼   ► Federico speaking of exciting things it's a good segue to Microsoft yes let's talk about

00:23:47 ◼   ► outlook for iOS. So Microsoft, back in December, I think, a couple of months ago, they bought

00:23:54 ◼   ► this new email app for iOS called Accompli, I think iOS and Android actually. It was an

00:24:01 ◼   ► email app that I actually got pitched, what was it, September, October, and I didn't take a look

00:24:09 ◼   ► because I kind of wasn't interested in another email client for iOS and that was probably a bad

00:24:15 ◼   ► call from me. But anyway, so they bought this email client, they waited a couple of months,

00:24:20 ◼   ► and now this email client is called Outlook for iOS and it's an official Microsoft app and, you

00:24:25 ◼   ► know, all that. It supports Outlook.com, Gmail, iCloud, Yahoo Mail, I think. It doesn't support

00:24:34 ◼   ► regular IMAP email accounts. It integrates directly with Dropbox because Microsoft is now doing

00:24:41 ◼   ► like some sort of partnership with Dropbox, OneDrive of course. And it's a... So I've been

00:24:48 ◼   ► trying this outlook for the past week and you will be surprised to know, this is like one of those

00:24:54 ◼   ► up for the headlines, you can't believe what happened next. You will be surprised to know

00:25:02 ◼   ► that it's my default email client now. Well, not default, ten... Well, yes, yeah.

00:25:10 ◼   ► The one you like the most? Yes, genius, technically it's not a default client.

00:25:15 ◼   ► Yes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, please forgive me. So what do you like about it?

00:25:19 ◼   ► They're doing this clever feature called focused inbox, which is basically a way to separate emails

00:25:30 ◼   ► that you get in your inbox from like important email messages and other stuff that goes into a

00:25:37 ◼   ► section very appropriately called "Other". So the stuff that matters to you

00:25:44 ◼   ► according to the app goes into the focus section and all the other

00:25:49 ◼   ► stuff like newsletters and emails from people you don't want to

00:25:54 ◼   ► hear from, it goes into "Other". So this is something that Outlook

00:26:00 ◼   ► does independently. It's not reflected into the email service that you use. So

00:26:06 ◼   ► So if you use Gmail or if you use iCloud, you're not going to see another label or folder

00:26:11 ◼   ► added to your account.

00:26:12 ◼   ► It's just an app thing that happens.

00:26:16 ◼   ► And you can switch between these two.

00:26:18 ◼   ► And what I like is that you only get push notifications for messages that come into

00:26:23 ◼   ► the Focused Inbox.

00:26:25 ◼   ► So let's back up a little.

00:26:28 ◼   ► Outlook, like Mailbox, like Cloud Magic, like other modern email clients that do push notifications,

00:26:36 ◼   ► they send all your email over to their servers so they can serve you push notifications.

00:26:43 ◼   ► So if you're the kind of user who doesn't want to have all your email into somebody

00:26:49 ◼   ► else's server, you're not gonna want to use Outlook.

00:26:52 ◼   ► So I tested this one with my Gmail account and I like that, unlike other solutions to

00:27:00 ◼   ► replicate this kind of feature, you know, to have important emails into a separate section,

00:27:05 ◼   ► it only sends you a push notification for stuff that the app believes it belongs to the focus

00:27:13 ◼   ► section. So that's kind of handy because until a few weeks ago I was trying CloudMagic in combination

00:27:20 ◼   ► with SaneBox, which is this service that I heard from Max Parkey actually. And I like this

00:27:28 ◼   ► combination using same box with cloud magic, Outlook only sends you push notifications

00:27:33 ◼   ► for focused messages, which is kind of handy, so you're not gonna hear push notifications

00:27:38 ◼   ► over and over, and then you open the app and you find only fewer messages. I thought the

00:27:43 ◼   ► integration was kind of cool. And the big feature is that Outlook integrates email and

00:27:48 ◼   ► calendar in the same place. Actually email, calendar and files, because you can connect

00:27:53 ◼   ► your OneDrive and Dropbox account. So while you're writing an email message, you can reference

00:27:57 ◼   ► your calendar and you can attach files from OneDrive and Dropbox.

00:28:02 ◼   ► And it's also kind of impressive that it's able to scan email messages that you get that

00:28:07 ◼   ► contain a date and a time.

00:28:10 ◼   ► And it can tell you if you receive an invitation to a calendar event or something that you

00:28:15 ◼   ► need to RSVP to, it tells you whether there's a conflict in your calendar, which is kind

00:28:20 ◼   ► of nice.

00:28:21 ◼   ► And it also sends you push notifications for calendar events.

00:28:25 ◼   ► So if you want, you can use AppLook on iOS as your only email and calendar app, although

00:28:31 ◼   ► it's not a great calendar app, it's just like a calendar view more than a full calendar

00:28:36 ◼   ► client like Fantastical or Calendars from Riddle.

00:28:40 ◼   ► I think it's a cool app, it works really well with Gmail, search is fast.

00:28:47 ◼   ► emails go over to Microsoft's servers, which I guess is probably not as potentially problematic

00:28:56 ◼   ► as another smaller company.

00:28:59 ◼   ► So I mean, it's Microsoft, so it's not like they're out to...

00:29:02 ◼   ► Well, the problem's not that in particular, but there's a link to Gabe's website, MacDrifter,

00:29:09 ◼   ► about this.

00:29:10 ◼   ► He's linked to several things.

00:29:14 ◼   ► It's not so much that it goes over another server, that's a problem, but it's that that

00:29:21 ◼   ► is in violation of the security policies for many companies who depend on Outlook.

00:29:26 ◼   ► Oh yeah.

00:29:27 ◼   ► I'm not familiar with that stuff.

00:29:28 ◼   ► Or depend on Exchange on the back end.

00:29:32 ◼   ► It's not that it's...

00:29:33 ◼   ► It is a problem, and I would say it's a problem for consumers even, if you're worried about

00:29:37 ◼   ► that sort of thing, but it means that Outlook for iOS doesn't meet the requirements for

00:29:42 ◼   ► a lot of companies that use Microsoft products.

00:29:45 ◼   ► And that's fine if it's a third party app, but it's a first party app.

00:29:48 ◼   ► Microsoft bought it and didn't deal with this.

00:29:51 ◼   ► So it also does this for Exchange accounts as well?

00:29:57 ◼   ► Like Microsoft Exchange accounts, do they have the same problem?

00:30:01 ◼   ► It seems like it.

00:30:02 ◼   ► I read some of this, but it was a couple days ago and I don't really understand all of it.

00:30:07 ◼   ► But it's something that, hey, if you work like Myke, your old job, you guys use Lotus

00:30:12 ◼   ► Notes as did my old job.

00:30:15 ◼   ► And there was a lot of security around that, things we could do and couldn't do.

00:30:18 ◼   ► And the same thing is very common if you use Exchange at work.

00:30:21 ◼   ► And so I would just say if you're looking at using it for work and you know the security

00:30:25 ◼   ► policies, I would check.

00:30:27 ◼   ► You don't want to get caught in the middle of this.

00:30:32 ◼   ► Can I go on a bit of a brief discussion about email clients and calendar clients on iOS?

00:30:40 ◼   ► May I have your permission, Myke and Steven?

00:30:42 ◼   ► You have my permission?

00:30:44 ◼   ► Yes.

00:30:45 ◼   ► Okay.

00:30:46 ◼   ► So I'm kind of surprised about the kind of innovation that third-party developers are

00:30:50 ◼   ► doing.

00:30:51 ◼   ► And not just that, because of course for a long time third-party apps have been doing

00:30:54 ◼   ► different stuff on iOS than Apple's apps.

00:30:58 ◼   ► just how for how long Apple has been ignoring these additions to email and to calendar apps.

00:31:07 ◼   ► Because Apple's mail and calendar are very much traditional clients.

00:31:12 ◼   ► Like they're not trying to think about email and calendar events in different ways.

00:31:17 ◼   ► And the innovation in Apple's apps for these two particular tasks that people do a lot

00:31:24 ◼   ► email messages and calendar events has been really slow.

00:31:27 ◼   ► I mean, Apple has been doing, I mean, the last big features from Apple are, I think,

00:31:33 ◼   ► VIP contacts and in calendar driving times, which never actually worked for me.

00:31:41 ◼   ► And instead, you get all these other companies, I mean, besides Google, okay, let's not talk

00:31:46 ◼   ► about Google because they own Gmail and they have a massive, massive scale for email.

00:31:50 ◼   ► But other companies like Accompli before it became Outlook still had some pretty good

00:31:55 ◼   ► ideas, integrating your calendar and your email. It makes sense for me. And Cloud Magic is doing

00:32:01 ◼   ► this feature called Cards that lets you save an email for like an attachment, an entire message,

00:32:11 ◼   ► not just files, to other services like Evernote or Todoist if you want to turn a message into

00:32:18 ◼   ► an action. And instead, in Apple's Mail, there's no share sheets. You can only open files using

00:32:25 ◼   ► the native Quick Look preview. And it feels like a really prehistoric, in many ways, client.

00:32:33 ◼   ► Don't even get me started on the Calendar app, because it's really sad. And I'm surprised,

00:32:41 ◼   ► because on other apps... I'm not saying that Apple in other apps has been following

00:32:45 ◼   ► third-party developers, but they've been doing more new stuff, like Safari is doing...

00:32:52 ◼   ► Or Messages.

00:32:53 ◼   ► messages is doing new things.

00:32:55 ◼   ► And instead, the mail and calendar teams

00:32:58 ◼   ► seems to be either slow or they don't believe

00:33:01 ◼   ► that they need to innovate in this space,

00:33:03 ◼   ► which I think that case would be kind of dumb.

00:33:05 ◼   ► But yeah, that's just a brief thought.

00:33:09 ◼   ► - I think my kind of maybe argument and point on that

00:33:12 ◼   ► is like what you're asking for

00:33:17 ◼   ► and what I agree I would like to see more of,

00:33:20 ◼   ► I think maybe more power user features.

00:33:23 ◼   ► So potentially Apple don't think that more average users need stuff like that.

00:33:28 ◼   ► But my counter argument, so I was playing devil's advocate a bit with that, is that's

00:33:34 ◼   ► totally fine and to a point I agree with that.

00:33:37 ◼   ► But on that basis, allow me to choose what my default email app is.

00:33:42 ◼   ► If you believe, like Apple, that you don't want to include that stuff because you think

00:33:47 ◼   ► that it would maybe make the app too complicated for people that don't need it, which I totally

00:33:51 ◼   ► understand if that's the decision you choose to make then you need to allow me to make

00:33:56 ◼   ► the decision about what mail app I want to use and stop controlling the default clients.

00:34:06 ◼   ► I think if you're making decisions based on that kind of idea then I should be able to

00:34:10 ◼   ► have the control over what mail app I use.

00:34:15 ◼   ► I agree, you know, I was thinking about this in terms of the apps that we've picked over

00:34:20 ◼   ► at the Suite Setup and a lot of our reviews, you know we're reviewing things that have

00:34:25 ◼   ► first party apps in the running so like reminders or mails or calendar and I don't think that

00:34:31 ◼   ► we've ever picked an Apple first party app because of this and Myke I think you said

00:34:35 ◼   ► it really well you know they've got to hit a really broad user base with their first

00:34:39 ◼   ► party apps and they kind of allow you know if you even know that third party mailups

00:34:46 ◼   ► are a thing you're probably already a power user on the grand scheme in the

00:34:50 ◼   ► grand scheme of things and so they let people innovate in spaces and yes that

00:34:54 ◼   ► stuff does come back and I think messages I think they had to do it had

00:34:59 ◼   ► to work on that from a strategic standpoint because they're competing at

00:35:02 ◼   ► so many things so many messaging services and are you know in parts of

00:35:07 ◼   ► the world losing out to things like line or whatsapp or other third parties but

00:35:12 ◼   ► you know most people are going to use the mail app that comes on the dock of

00:35:15 ◼   ► their phone and and so it needs to be simple enough that anyone can use and I

00:35:19 ◼   ► agree that it's frustrating and Myke I'm totally behind you that I should be able

00:35:24 ◼   ► to set what app I want to use like if I want something more complicated because

00:35:28 ◼   ► I can deal with it let me use it by default don't make me jump through hoops

00:35:32 ◼   ► whether we ever see that or not I don't know but I think you know I think the

00:35:37 ◼   ► fact that so many like nerds in our circles have used Outlook and like it

00:35:43 ◼   ► like Federico, I think that really says something about the state of the first

00:35:48 ◼   ► party app. I think it also says a lot about Outlook and I think it's sort of

00:35:52 ◼   ► funny that like I'd never heard of this app that was acquired and then all of a

00:35:55 ◼   ► sudden like Outlook's out and it's basically the same app with a new icon and people

00:35:59 ◼   ► are you know like if those guys that have been more successful at marketing

00:36:03 ◼   ► maybe they would want to have to sell to Microsoft, I mean I don't know, but it is

00:36:07 ◼   ► just it's an interesting time and then even today there was news about

00:36:12 ◼   ► Microsoft again buying sunrise the calendar app this is crazy I think that

00:36:19 ◼   ► this is like I mean we spoke about this a couple of weeks ago myself in Federico

00:36:22 ◼   ► and I think that this in my mind sticks to it like I genuinely think that for

00:36:27 ◼   ► doing crazy kind of stuff and like unexpected things Microsoft is like the

00:36:33 ◼   ► most exciting tech company to me right now like they are doing stuff and that

00:36:37 ◼   ► and it's new stuff for them so it's like that you I kind of feel like I can't at

00:36:42 ◼   ► the moment I cannot guess where they're going to go next and I think that's really cool

00:36:46 ◼   ► for them to have that kind of feeling about them.

00:36:49 ◼   ► I think it is exciting not necessarily because you believe they're doing the right thing

00:36:54 ◼   ► because we don't know but it's exciting because you're seeing them change like in real time.

00:37:01 ◼   ► It's fundamental huge changes as well like oh now you don't have to pay for OneDrive

00:37:07 ◼   ► and you can integrate Dropbox for Microsoft Office and the apps are free if you do.

00:37:12 ◼   ► It's like, "Whaat?

00:37:14 ◼   ► That's not your business!"

00:37:16 ◼   ► Or like, "Windows is free!"

00:37:18 ◼   ► Like, "Okay!"

00:37:19 ◼   ► They lost mobile, or at least this generation of mobile, and they're trying to grasp at

00:37:24 ◼   ► any straw they can.

00:37:27 ◼   ► They're trying to buy it back.

00:37:29 ◼   ► They're trying to become relevant to people, they're trying to be relevant to us, to the

00:37:32 ◼   ► three of us, and you see their partnership with Dropbox.

00:37:35 ◼   ► So if you have a word document in Dropbox, you just tap it, you can edit in Word, save

00:37:38 ◼   ► it back to Dropbox, all one very fluid thing.

00:37:42 ◼   ► Because they enjoyed dominance for so long and they were late on mobile and I would say

00:37:46 ◼   ► they've basically missed this generation.

00:37:48 ◼   ► Windows Phone is not going anywhere.

00:37:51 ◼   ► They've got to do these things to become relevant and I think it's working by the fact that

00:37:56 ◼   ► you just said you're excited about it.

00:37:57 ◼   ► So it's, you know, I agree with you.

00:38:00 ◼   ► I think they have a lot of interesting things going on.

00:38:02 ◼   ► I think Microsoft at the same time is its own worst enemy sometimes.

00:38:07 ◼   ► The weird pricing around Office on iOS for so long was just baffling until you remember

00:38:13 ◼   ► that they're used to serving corporate customers and that's how corporate world works and it

00:38:17 ◼   ► doesn't work in the consumer space.

00:38:19 ◼   ► So I think they have to take what they know about the enterprise and if they want to move

00:38:24 ◼   ► downstream into the three of us and the way that we work, they have to meet us where we

00:38:29 ◼   ► are.

00:38:30 ◼   ► things like Outlook being a really good mail client with all these like features

00:38:34 ◼   ► that people want is a great example of that. But I think they got to do it, do a

00:38:39 ◼   ► better job at it and I think they got to do it more consistently before any of us

00:38:43 ◼   ► would be looking at Microsoft services or something like that to move our stuff

00:38:46 ◼   ► into. So I really want to try Outlook on iOS but I haven't yet because I know

00:38:51 ◼   ► that Microsoft at the moment don't have a like comparably exciting or well

00:38:56 ◼   ► featured or good-looking Outlook for Mac. And I love Mailbox and I love

00:39:04 ◼   ► organizing my email with Mailbox like making email go away and come back at

00:39:08 ◼   ► certain time reorganizing messages into my own order and stuff. And I'm really

00:39:13 ◼   ► kind of invested in that system and for it to work properly for Mailbox to

00:39:17 ◼   ► really work properly you've got to use it everywhere because otherwise weird

00:39:21 ◼   ► things happen. It just looks really strange. But that's fine because

00:39:26 ◼   ► you just got to understand that going in and I do so now like I can't try

00:39:30 ◼   ► another email app but it looks like Outlook has a lot of those features that

00:39:34 ◼   ► I like like snoozing email basically is one of the big things that I love about

00:39:38 ◼   ► mailbox but I don't know how well their Mac app deals with that stuff but at the

00:39:46 ◼   ► very least their Mac app is still like last generation for their stuff but I

00:39:51 ◼   ► expect that to change but I don't think it's gonna change until like Windows 10

00:39:55 ◼   ► something like that.

00:39:57 ◼   ► We'll see.

00:39:58 ◼   ► I mean, let me just say guys that we will talk about email over the next few weeks.

00:40:05 ◼   ► I've been teasing Myke.

00:40:09 ◼   ► Is that right, Michael?

00:40:10 ◼   ► Yeah, Federico said to me the other day, "I have a big surprise, but I'm not telling you."

00:40:16 ◼   ► Which is effectively what Steven said with the Chromebook, but I think he threw that

00:40:20 ◼   ► out the window a couple of days ago, therefore ruining the experiment.

00:40:23 ◼   ► We should talk about that.

00:40:24 ◼   ► even on the document today. So okay maybe next week. So you guys are up to really

00:40:29 ◼   ► weird things right now and I'm kind of excited about that. Yeah we're the

00:40:34 ◼   ► Microsoft of ourselves, basically. Wow. That's quite nice, I like that. I want to try and find exactly what you said to me, but I can't see it in my messages now.

00:40:47 ◼   ► - Scroll up and command F, surprise.

00:40:52 ◼   ► - I cannot see it, I cannot see it.

00:40:55 ◼   ► It's in here somewhere.

00:40:57 ◼   ► Oh, this is from Federico.

00:41:00 ◼   ► "I also have a big confession for you,

00:41:03 ◼   ► "but I'll tell you over the next few days, it's a big one."

00:41:06 ◼   ► I'm like, you can't just say that to someone,

00:41:08 ◼   ► but you wouldn't tell me, so I don't know what it is.

00:41:11 ◼   ► But there we go, it's teasing,

00:41:13 ◼   ► they call that in the industry, teasing.

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00:43:20 ◼   ► So Myke what's going on with beats? I didn't read any of this. I am so confused

00:43:26 ◼   ► I read this 9 to 5 Mac article today

00:43:29 ◼   ► And and I think as the day has gone on things have got clarified a little bit, but I still think it's really confusing

00:43:35 ◼   ► So basically, there's another scoop from Mark Gurman

00:43:38 ◼   ► effectively talking about what Apple's plans for Beats are.

00:43:41 ◼   ► And what it seems like, at least on the face of it,

00:43:43 ◼   ► is Apple is going to be launching

00:43:44 ◼   ► a third music streaming service,

00:43:46 ◼   ► or a third music service, I should say.

00:43:49 ◼   ► So there will be iTunes, which will remain as iTunes,

00:43:52 ◼   ► then they have Beats, and then there will be this new one.

00:43:55 ◼   ► Let's call it iTunes Music,

00:43:57 ◼   ► for the sake of giving it a name for now.

00:43:59 ◼   ► So iTunes Music will be kind of an amalgamation of both,

00:44:03 ◼   ► and it will be baked within the OS

00:44:05 ◼   ► and there'll be like revamped versions of the music apps

00:44:08 ◼   ► and probably iTunes and desktop

00:44:10 ◼   ► that takes into functionality this.

00:44:11 ◼   ► You'll be able to, and it sort of ties into Beats' engine

00:44:15 ◼   ► and all of this cool stuff that we do around playlists

00:44:17 ◼   ► and recommendations and all that kind of stuff.

00:44:19 ◼   ► But it won't be Beats.

00:44:21 ◼   ► And from what it seems like,

00:44:23 ◼   ► they're not gonna be removing Beats when this comes out.

00:44:26 ◼   ► - Why?

00:44:28 ◼   ► - I know, there are kind of hints in the article

00:44:31 ◼   ► that maybe they will phase Beats out,

00:44:34 ◼   ► but Beats will still exist.

00:44:35 ◼   ► This is what I took away from this,

00:44:37 ◼   ► is Beats will still exist, they will use Beats technology,

00:44:40 ◼   ► and you will be able to transfer your playlists

00:44:43 ◼   ► and history from Beats into this app,

00:44:45 ◼   ► but Apple are not renaming and rebranding,

00:44:48 ◼   ► they're creating a brand new Apple-created app.

00:44:50 ◼   ► And also, this may be an Android app as well,

00:44:53 ◼   ► which I really don't understand.

00:44:55 ◼   ► Like, if Beats still exists, why not?

00:44:57 ◼   ► And like, why, I'm so confused, like why?

00:45:00 ◼   ► Why not just say, "Here is an update to Beats.

00:45:03 ◼   ► "Beats is now called iTunes Music,

00:45:05 ◼   ► "and it has a new look and feel."

00:45:07 ◼   ► Like, why be like, "And we're gonna create

00:45:09 ◼   ► "a new Android app as well,

00:45:11 ◼   ► "and the Beats Android app will still be around for a while,

00:45:13 ◼   ► "and it's gonna use the smart stuff,

00:45:15 ◼   ► "but it's gonna be like iTunes-y."

00:45:17 ◼   ► I'm very confused about it.

00:45:19 ◼   ► Federico, do you have any different kind of take from this,

00:45:22 ◼   ► like from the art?

00:45:23 ◼   ► Is that why it's okay? - Yes, I think it kinda

00:45:23 ◼   ► makes sense.

00:45:25 ◼   ► - Okay, no, please tell me why.

00:45:27 ◼   ► Because I can't understand why they wouldn't just rebrand.

00:45:28 ◼   ► Because that's what I would do.

00:45:30 ◼   ► I mean, if I had to buy a company,

00:45:34 ◼   ► I would just buy the company, keep it working,

00:45:36 ◼   ► then slowly phase it out and build the technology

00:45:40 ◼   ► into a new product that I can control fully.

00:45:42 ◼   ► Because maybe you don't know,

00:45:43 ◼   ► maybe Beats Music did something weird with their app

00:45:47 ◼   ► that Apple wants to do better.

00:45:49 ◼   ► So maybe they always had to build it from the ground up.

00:45:52 ◼   ► Yeah, because I mean, maybe they just want to,

00:45:55 ◼   ► I mean, my interpretation is that

00:45:57 ◼   ► they're gonna slowly fade out Beats Music.

00:46:01 ◼   ► They're going to seriously downplay

00:46:04 ◼   ► the music listening aspect in the current iTunes application.

00:46:08 ◼   ► And they're gonna launch this new iTunes Music app,

00:46:11 ◼   ► whatever it's called,

00:46:12 ◼   ► that it's only dedicated to music and to all kinds of music,

00:46:17 ◼   ► whether it's your music or a radio feature or streaming.

00:46:21 ◼   ► And I think it kind of makes sense

00:46:22 ◼   ► because otherwise you would have this situation

00:46:25 ◼   ► that you'd have like Apple makes the music app,

00:46:29 ◼   ► but it also has to maintain Beats Music,

00:46:31 ◼   ► which is their app, but also a separate brand.

00:46:35 ◼   ► I don't know, I think it makes sense

00:46:36 ◼   ► to just start from scratch and incorporate the best ideas

00:46:39 ◼   ► into a new product,

00:46:41 ◼   ► rather than keep maintaining an existing product

00:46:44 ◼   ► and create something strange from a branding perspective.

00:46:47 ◼   ► - Yeah, but that's the thing though,

00:46:48 ◼   ► like it seems like for at least a period of time,

00:46:52 ◼   ► they will be maintaining the Beats app,

00:46:53 ◼   ► that's what I find confusing. - Yeah, of course, of course.

00:46:55 ◼   ► If they would have just on the day one of this launch been like "and Beats Music has gone away and we have this brand new thing"

00:47:01 ◼   ► I would have expected that. But the idea of kind of keeping them at least for a period of time running concurrently

00:47:08 ◼   ► that's what is very peculiar. I can't really wrap my head around that because I didn't expect that.

00:47:13 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean I guess you don't want to say "Hey, Beats Music is going away in like seven days"

00:47:19 ◼   ► But then also...

00:47:20 ◼   ► There's like always a grace period, you know, but I guess it makes sense, I don't know.

00:47:24 ◼   ► Unless you're Everpix.

00:47:25 ◼   ► Heyo!

00:47:26 ◼   ► It's just like arguably though as well, like, the Beats brand is stronger?

00:47:30 ◼   ► Yeah, that's my concern, actually.

00:47:33 ◼   ► Like, why are they doing, like, from Gurman's article,

00:47:39 ◼   ► it seems like they're doing away with the Beats brand, and that's kind of weird, I think.

00:47:43 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:47:44 ◼   ► My only thoughts on that is maybe they want to focus the Beats brand on the hardware,

00:47:48 ◼   ► because I think the hardware is definitely way better known.

00:47:51 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:47:53 ◼   ► And maybe it's, you know, if you think about it that way, then maybe iTunes is a stronger

00:47:58 ◼   ► brand than Beats Audio, you know, as far as a music service.

00:48:03 ◼   ► But I think the timing is definitely, you know, if this article plays out is weird.

00:48:09 ◼   ► And I think potentially really confusing, like, you know, what, what, where should I

00:48:14 ◼   ► listen to music?

00:48:15 ◼   ► You know, Apple is, you know, what should a user do with something Apple is really good

00:48:18 ◼   ► at answering most of the time?

00:48:20 ◼   ► and and it seems like if this is going to be a weird transition that's going to

00:48:24 ◼   ► be foggy for a little while I do think they've got to do something with iTunes

00:48:28 ◼   ► I mean it's it's iTunes is aging the the people like me who buy music and sync it

00:48:35 ◼   ► to an iPod we're dying off in droves and so they have to do something to

00:48:39 ◼   ► modernize their music platform and clearly that's what's part of the Beats

00:48:42 ◼   ► purchase I just I hate to see them move forward in a way that is is confusing or

00:48:48 ◼   ► in a way that costs them, you know, cost them customers or brand loyalty.

00:48:54 ◼   ► Because I think people who like the Beats Audio app really like it, and it'd be a shame

00:48:59 ◼   ► to throw all that away, but who knows?

00:49:02 ◼   ► I'm concerned as well this will just be bolted into iTunes.

00:49:06 ◼   ► Like there's just this part of me that's like, "They're not gonna do anything significant

00:49:11 ◼   ► of iTunes."

00:49:12 ◼   ► It's just gonna be like, "This is the other thing!

00:49:14 ◼   ► Hey guys, there's something else that's in iTunes."

00:49:18 ◼   ► that concerns me. Like at least if it was Beats, right, then you could just

00:49:22 ◼   ► have this separate app which does that part but I just feel like it's just

00:49:26 ◼   ► gonna be another thing to go into iTunes. Or maybe you're just gonna have iTunes

00:49:31 ◼   ► on the desktop and there's going to be a music app also on the desktop finally.

00:49:36 ◼   ► The music part is out of iTunes. Well if they were gonna do that they

00:49:42 ◼   ► should just split apart everything because then it doesn't make you... I see where

00:49:46 ◼   ► you're going with that, but then the brand iTunes makes no sense.

00:49:50 ◼   ► They should just be like the iOS management app, the music app, and the podcast app, please?

00:50:01 ◼   ► What I caught from the article that was interesting to me, German says that users are going to

00:50:07 ◼   ► be able to listen to their own music and also to browse the streaming catalog and add music

00:50:15 ◼   ► to their collections.

00:50:17 ◼   ► And that's kind of strange because it sounds like you're going to be able to have local

00:50:20 ◼   ► music and presumably iTunes match music and streaming music in the same application.

00:50:28 ◼   ► Spotify used to kind of do this.

00:50:31 ◼   ► I don't know if it still does.

00:50:32 ◼   ► And it was super, super confusing.

00:50:34 ◼   ► Terrible, like really bad, but it did kind of do it.

00:50:37 ◼   ► Because you end up having all these little badges next to songs to tell you whether it's

00:50:42 ◼   ► streaming or cache because you're going to be able to also, according to Gurman, to download

00:50:47 ◼   ► songs in an offline cache, so you're going to have badges for streaming, cache, local

00:50:53 ◼   ► music and iTunes match music.

00:50:55 ◼   ► It's kind of sounds like a mess.

00:50:58 ◼   ► And in fact, it's no surprise that the article also says development has been problematic

00:51:04 ◼   ► inside Apple.

00:51:05 ◼   ► And so hopefully they will do some, you know, I think they need to clean some things up,

00:51:10 ◼   ► Like iTunes Match needs to go away, I hope so.

00:51:15 ◼   ► Or maybe just make it a super niche feature instead of putting it front and center into

00:51:21 ◼   ► iTunes.

00:51:22 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:51:23 ◼   ► They need to do some reorganization for music because they have so many different products.

00:51:27 ◼   ► iTunes Match, iTunes, iTunes Radio, Beats Music.

00:51:32 ◼   ► Yeah that's about it.

00:51:33 ◼   ► I'm telling you man, it's gonna be called iTunes Match Music Radio Streaming in the

00:51:38 ◼   ► cloud.

00:51:39 ◼   ► It's going to be, I mean, I'm being stupid, but the name I cannot imagine will be good.

00:51:43 ◼   ► They should just give it a brand new name.

00:51:45 ◼   ► Maybe it'll just be Apple Music.

00:51:46 ◼   ► Apple Music.

00:51:47 ◼   ► Kill iTunes.

00:51:48 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:51:48 ◼   ► Just kill it.

00:51:48 ◼   ► Kill iTunes.

00:51:49 ◼   ► I don't know, man.

00:51:50 ◼   ► It's, it's, I think a lot of people hate iTunes, but it is well known.

00:51:55 ◼   ► Um, I don't know.

00:51:56 ◼   ► It's, it's confusing to think about and you know, like right now it's sort of clear

00:52:03 ◼   ► because they're very separate, right?

00:52:05 ◼   ► Like you have iTunes and iTunes match and then you have Beats and they're

00:52:09 ◼   ► discrete non-related things.

00:52:11 ◼   ► And so once they start blending them,

00:52:13 ◼   ► it could go sideways.

00:52:16 ◼   ► We'll see though.

00:52:17 ◼   ► - Yeah. - We'll see.

00:52:18 ◼   ► - Right, Federico posted a nice article today,

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00:55:25 ◼   ► So what I was referring to before is,

00:55:28 ◼   ► so Federico posted an iPad Air 2 review today,

00:55:33 ◼   ► But it's not really a review of the iPad Air 2,

00:55:36 ◼   ► at least that's the way that I took it.

00:55:37 ◼   ► Like yes, you're talking about it,

00:55:39 ◼   ► but it's much more the iPad as a thing than the Air 2.

00:55:44 ◼   ► I mean, you talk about in the hardware section specifically

00:55:48 ◼   ► what the features of the Air 2 have helped you

00:55:51 ◼   ► to get things done faster,

00:55:53 ◼   ► but a lot of that stuff is maybe inconsequential

00:55:56 ◼   ► to the overall idea of what the iPad allows you to do.

00:56:00 ◼   ► Is that fair to say?

00:56:01 ◼   ► I guess I used the Air 2 as a jumping point to discuss in general, because I realized,

00:56:09 ◼   ► like I said on Twitter, that I never fully expressed my thoughts on why I used the iPad,

00:56:16 ◼   ► because I had a bunch of mentions here and there on Max Stories, and then of course a

00:56:21 ◼   ► lot of episodes of The Prompt and Connected, but I never put together all my thoughts in

00:56:27 ◼   ► a single place.

00:56:28 ◼   ► So that's what I kind of used the Air 2, I wouldn't say as an excuse because I really

00:56:34 ◼   ► loved the device.

00:56:36 ◼   ► But I wanted to review the device, so the review in itself was kind of brief.

00:56:41 ◼   ► And I used the occasion, the opportunity to talk about the iPad in general.

00:56:46 ◼   ► Yeah, that is correct, Michael.

00:56:49 ◼   ► So talk us through then a little bit.

00:56:52 ◼   ► Give people maybe that haven't read it like a kind of an overall idea of the types of

00:56:57 ◼   ► things that you're talking about and what this is really displaying for you.

00:57:02 ◼   ► So the basic point is that three months ago I bought an iPad Air 2 but for three

00:57:10 ◼   ► years now I've been trying to slowly but steadily moving all my way of working

00:57:20 ◼   ► and being entertained from the Mac to the iPad and it started three years ago

00:57:28 ◼   ► because I was hospitalized and I was stuck in a bed doing funny chemo

00:57:38 ◼   ► treatments so I wasn't able to to use a Mac because it was too heavy and

00:57:43 ◼   ► uncomfortable, I didn't have Wi-Fi. So after I went for like two weeks without working,

00:57:53 ◼   ► which is unusual for me because I always want to work because I'm lucky enough to have,

00:57:58 ◼   ► like my work also is kind of fun for me, you know, it's like I'm playing every day with

00:58:03 ◼   ► stuff and it's like a game that prints money, not too much money because I'm not a billionaire

00:58:09 ◼   ► or whatever, but it seems to be working.

00:58:12 ◼   ► So for me, it's also fun besides being, you know,

00:58:15 ◼   ► financial moderate success for me.

00:58:18 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:58:19 ◼   ► - And it's always weird when I cannot work.

00:58:22 ◼   ► And I was really upset because I was stuck there.

00:58:25 ◼   ► So I was like, you know,

00:58:26 ◼   ► I'm just gonna try to use the iPad.

00:58:28 ◼   ► So three years ago, iPad 3, iOS 6,

00:58:33 ◼   ► the situation was really different from today.

00:58:36 ◼   ► and it was really hard for me to just do simple things like I want to have a simple link on

00:58:43 ◼   ► Maxories and it was really hard for me because I didn't know Python, I didn't have all these

00:58:48 ◼   ► fancy workflows, so I kind of started my way there with apps and Dropbox and Markdown and

00:58:55 ◼   ► all this basic stuff.

00:58:57 ◼   ► And over the years I've been trying to work around the limitations of iOS using scripts,

00:59:05 ◼   ► URL schemes, bookmarklets, that kind of stuff.

00:59:09 ◼   ► And then last year, iOS 8, and it was a huge change for me with extensions, action extensions,

00:59:19 ◼   ► the share sheets, the document extensions, it was really a big change for me.

00:59:23 ◼   ► And so in the article I tried to kind of express why, in spite of working from home and having

00:59:35 ◼   ► a Mac that works and runs Yosemite, why I still work from my iPad and I do everything

00:59:42 ◼   ► on the iPad, and the only thing that I do on my MacBook at this point is Skype twice

00:59:47 ◼   ► a week to talk to you guys and downloading torrents, because you cannot do that on iOS,

00:59:54 ◼   ► and other stuff like backups of iOS devices locally in iTunes and, you know, that kind

01:00:00 ◼   ► of access that iOS doesn't give you.

01:00:03 ◼   ► And I wanted to explain in the article why I need to have this ability to always be on

01:00:11 ◼   ► the move, and not just to have the ability, but I have a requirement to always, you know,

01:00:17 ◼   ► to not sit at a desk for several hours every day, because I move a lot around the house,

01:00:23 ◼   ► I move a lot around Rome, I go back and forth between Viterbo and Rome every week, and I

01:00:28 ◼   ► I need to have my work and my friends and my connections and my music, whatever, always

01:00:34 ◼   ► with me.

01:00:36 ◼   ► So the basic point of the article was that.

01:00:43 ◼   ► Why have a 10-inch display instead of using a Mac?

01:00:48 ◼   ► And people seem to be liking it.

01:00:50 ◼   ► Like the response has been far beyond what I was expecting.

01:00:56 ◼   ► So I'm really, really happy.

01:00:57 ◼   ► I got a few questions, if you guys don't mind, that I would like to address real quickly

01:01:03 ◼   ► because I didn't mention these in the article.

01:01:05 ◼   ► So yes, I use a keyboard on my iPad.

01:01:09 ◼   ► For years I used the Logitech tablet keyboard, which is a Bluetooth keyboard with a bunch

01:01:16 ◼   ► of iOS specific shortcuts.

01:01:20 ◼   ► And two months ago, Logitech was kind enough to send me for evaluation these other keyboard

01:01:26 ◼   ► called, oh no, gosh, I don't remember the name, like, uh, logic, it's not the keys to

01:01:34 ◼   ► go, it's not the, oh, you know, I'm really bad with names, I'm gonna send you a link

01:01:39 ◼   ► in the show notes, it's basically like a, it's a case and a keyboard and it's got this

01:01:44 ◼   ► handy feature to, like, it's got extra buttons for iOS, so I can take a screenshot by just

01:01:53 ◼   ► pressing a button on the keyboard and I can do other shortcuts directly on the keyboard that

01:01:58 ◼   ► they're new to this model. Is it just a keyboard? Is it a keyboard with a case?

01:02:03 ◼   ► It's a keyboard with a case and it's like made of, externally it's made of cloth and it's a red

01:02:10 ◼   ► color. It's kind of awesome and I love it because when you open, when you snap the iPad into the

01:02:17 ◼   ► case and you move it towards the keyboard, it attaches using magnets to the keyboard and the

01:02:26 ◼   ► Bluetooth on iOS automatically turns on because it recognizes that a keyboard has been attached.

01:02:31 ◼   ► It's kind of awesome. So I don't have to manually connect. Is it called the Type Plus? I think so.

01:02:39 ◼   ► Yes, thank you Michael. It looks like it because it has a bunch of like it has a Siri key and a

01:02:42 ◼   ► multitasking key. Yes, thank you, thank you Michael. Yes, I also knew the multitasking key,

01:02:47 ◼   ► which was not available in the Logitech tablet keyboard, so I don't have to double click the home

01:02:54 ◼   ► shortcut anymore, I can just click the multitasking shortcut and then I have all my multitasking view.

01:03:01 ◼   ► It's really handy, so I use that when I want to type longer. Usually I just use, this was the

01:03:09 ◼   ► the other question. Usually I just type in portrait mode and I don't use the split keyboard.

01:03:14 ◼   ► So a lot of people...

01:03:15 ◼   ► You do have big hands, don't you?

01:03:17 ◼   ► Yes, yes, I do. I do have big hands. That was the point of my replies on Twitter. I

01:03:23 ◼   ► know it's uncomfortable for most people. God bless me. I don't know. I have big hands.

01:03:33 ◼   ► My mom was especially skilled in making big ends. I don't know.

01:03:38 ◼   ► Whatever. Next question. There was a few people on Twitter that asked me how I publish the

01:03:50 ◼   ► website. It happens from editorial, which is this crazy text editor for iOS that lets

01:03:58 ◼   ► you create workflows, so this is different from the workflow app for iOS.

01:04:03 ◼   ► Editorial lets you create workflows and it supports Python so you can use

01:04:09 ◼   ► scripts to connect to your WordPress website which is what I do. I connect

01:04:15 ◼   ► over Python to my Mac stories and I publish articles from the iPad.

01:04:21 ◼   ► Those were the big questions that I received today. I didn't

01:04:25 ◼   ► include them in the article. Myke and Steven, if you guys have questions, thank you for

01:04:33 ◼   ► letting me talk about the article, I really appreciate it.

01:04:36 ◼   ► Yeah, I do have some. One comment is what I found really interesting, and this ties

01:04:40 ◼   ► back a little bit to last week's episode, you did a better job in that article of making

01:04:46 ◼   ► me want an iPad Air 2 than Apple does. When I was reading it, because this is exactly

01:04:53 ◼   ► what I was looking for is like real reasons to use one and like and I was

01:04:58 ◼   ► imagining being Federico Vittucci you know like going around town and and and

01:05:03 ◼   ► being able to kind of really use these incredible features and like you know

01:05:11 ◼   ► all the things that you talk about and the way that you keep up to date with

01:05:13 ◼   ► things and I imagine like how like I've been doing a lot of writing recently and

01:05:17 ◼   ► and I get very distracted by everything else that's happening.

01:05:23 ◼   ► And I wonder if, do you feel Federico that the iPad allows you to focus more?

01:05:28 ◼   ► Or is that like a myth?

01:05:29 ◼   ► Or you actually do feel that?

01:05:31 ◼   ► No, no, no, no.

01:05:32 ◼   ► That's not a myth at all.

01:05:33 ◼   ► Like, because when I write, I'm like, I'm in lockdown mode.

01:05:37 ◼   ► I'm into the text editor.

01:05:39 ◼   ► And when I'm on a Mac, I'm just looking around all the time

01:05:42 ◼   ► because there's the menu bar, there's stuff, you know?

01:05:45 ◼   ► On the Mac, there's stuff.

01:05:46 ◼   ► you see the desktop, you see the dock, if you're like me and you keep it at the bottom,

01:05:50 ◼   ► I'm sorry Steven.

01:05:53 ◼   ► On the Mac there's always distractions.

01:05:55 ◼   ► You can go into fullscreen mode but it's just an excuse.

01:05:59 ◼   ► On the iPad you're forced to be there.

01:06:03 ◼   ► It's not a Mythmic, it's a real thing.

01:06:10 ◼   ► You said the same thing on the iPad special, that you had this desire for an iPad Air 2

01:06:16 ◼   ► And then it sort of went away.

01:06:17 ◼   ► How much of that do you think is not so much about the iPad Air but about your 6 Plus?

01:06:22 ◼   ► Because you spoke previously you had an iPad Mini, you don't use it hardly at all anymore

01:06:26 ◼   ► if ever.

01:06:27 ◼   ► Do you think it's just that those two are too close for you and you want something sort

01:06:31 ◼   ► of a bigger jump?

01:06:32 ◼   ► Oh they definitely are.

01:06:33 ◼   ► Like the Mini, it's basically I feel like everything I can do on my Mini I can do on

01:06:38 ◼   ► my iPhone 6 Plus and like 90% of them are better on the 6 Plus.

01:06:44 ◼   ► I understand what you're saying Federico and I believe that you are being truthful when

01:06:51 ◼   ► you say you can hold the iPad Air 2 comfortably with one hand.

01:06:56 ◼   ► I don't know if I feel that way myself.

01:07:01 ◼   ► I haven't really played with one long enough but I believe what you're saying.

01:07:06 ◼   ► But what I know is there is literally no problem.

01:07:10 ◼   ► there would never be a problem in me holding the 6+ in one hand for extended periods of

01:07:14 ◼   ► time.

01:07:15 ◼   ► So things like reading and stuff like that, it's better.

01:07:19 ◼   ► And also, many of the apps that I like to use for long periods of time are better on

01:07:23 ◼   ► the iPhone than the iPad, like Tweetbot.

01:07:26 ◼   ► Or like, I can't think of any other, but that's a big one.

01:07:31 ◼   ► And so it looks a lot better and it feels a lot nicer to have the iPhone there rather

01:07:35 ◼   ► than the iPad.

01:07:36 ◼   ► And so that's one big thing for me.

01:07:38 ◼   ► To go along that thread a little bit,

01:07:42 ◼   ► I really enjoyed Federico, the software segment

01:07:44 ◼   ► where you're talking about the apps that you use

01:07:47 ◼   ► and how they make you feel connected to the world.

01:07:49 ◼   ► But I feel that way with my six plus.

01:07:52 ◼   ► I feel like a massive part of my connection to the internet

01:07:57 ◼   ► is through my iPhone and it plays a huge part of my time

01:08:02 ◼   ► with being on the web and all of the things

01:08:08 ◼   ► I do through it and I do a lot of work on it and stuff like that, even when I'm at home.

01:08:14 ◼   ► But how do you feel about your iPhone and how do you use your iPad and iPhone differently?

01:08:21 ◼   ► That's a great question.

01:08:23 ◼   ► I think in many ways what I wrote in the software section can be applied to the iPhone.

01:08:30 ◼   ► It's just for me, because I use the iPad more.

01:08:35 ◼   ► So let me just say I work a lot, you know, because it's fun for me and like I said, it's

01:08:42 ◼   ► almost like a game, so it doesn't really bother me to be working a lot.

01:08:48 ◼   ► So that's why I use the iPad more.

01:08:50 ◼   ► But if I had to say the iPhone is more... it's what I use for photos, it's what I use

01:08:57 ◼   ► for phone calls, it's what I use... the iPhone is what I use when I want to check something

01:09:03 ◼   ► quickly, you know?

01:09:05 ◼   ► Like I'm at the grocery store and I'm waiting in line and I want to see Twitter real quick

01:09:12 ◼   ► and I use the iPhone.

01:09:14 ◼   ► Or someone calls me, I use the iPhone.

01:09:16 ◼   ► I need to send a text, I use the iPhone.

01:09:19 ◼   ► The iPhone for me has become more like a... it's a utility that you use quickly and then

01:09:26 ◼   ► you put away.

01:09:28 ◼   ► And that's one aspect.

01:09:29 ◼   ► The other aspect has been location.

01:09:32 ◼   ► I use my iPhone a lot for maps, for keeping track of where I go.

01:09:43 ◼   ► Before I used to have moves on my iPhone to build the map of all my movements, because

01:09:51 ◼   ► like I said, I move a lot around Rome and going back and forth between Rome and Viterbo,

01:09:57 ◼   ► and I like to visualize all my movements over time.

01:10:00 ◼   ► So I used to rely on moves and now moves is kind of dead so I'm using the Google app which

01:10:06 ◼   ► lets you do sort of the same thing tracking your location and it lets you see your movements

01:10:12 ◼   ► over time on a map and it's not as nice as moves used to be but it works.

01:10:18 ◼   ► What Google app is that?

01:10:20 ◼   ► The Google app?

01:10:21 ◼   ► Google, yes, Google.

01:10:22 ◼   ► Just Google.

01:10:23 ◼   ► So I use the iPhone a lot for quick interactions and for location, I think.

01:10:32 ◼   ► And the iPad is like, for many people, what would be the computer?

01:10:37 ◼   ► You know, for me it's the computer.

01:10:39 ◼   ► And it's strange because I grew up using a regular computer.

01:10:43 ◼   ► In fact, until a few months ago, the computer, in the sense of, you know, the computer, you sit down, you have the keyboard and you have the big screen.

01:10:51 ◼   ► And I grew up with the conception of the computer, you know, the screen, the desk and the chair.

01:10:56 ◼   ► And now the iPad is kind of this new thing.

01:10:58 ◼   ► It's a display that's big enough.

01:11:00 ◼   ► I can do a lot of stuff on it.

01:11:04 ◼   ► And it's nice because the stuff that I do on the iPad, like, people used to, people

01:11:09 ◼   ► still kind of make fun of me sometimes when you go, "Oh, you have a workflow for that?"

01:11:15 ◼   ► Like, every time I write about, you know, all this little time that I can save doing

01:11:20 ◼   ► stuff on the iPad. And it's nice when I see the check at the end of the month for the

01:11:28 ◼   ► stuff that I do by saving time with all these automations. And it kind of makes me… I'm

01:11:36 ◼   ► trying not to be super self-conscious about this, but I'm happy that the stuff that I've

01:11:41 ◼   ► been doing is working out well for me and it allows me to have a decent lifestyle. And

01:11:46 ◼   ► And it's strange, for me writing the article was strange because most people, I mean the

01:11:54 ◼   ► feedback has been great but most people are like "yeah, great article but not for me".

01:11:59 ◼   ► So it's strange for me to, I don't know, like I'm struggling to, the iPad is so, even after

01:12:07 ◼   ► three years is so new to me, like so strange, but it works, you know, and that's the end

01:12:14 ◼   ► of the article, it works.

01:12:16 ◼   ► And it all started from this article from Wired, like nobody knows what the output is

01:12:20 ◼   ► good anymore.

01:12:22 ◼   ► And like I get the perspective, it's just I know what it's good for.

01:12:27 ◼   ► And that was the idea and the conclusion is I know what it's good for.

01:12:32 ◼   ► And hopefully some people will find inspiration in that.

01:12:36 ◼   ► That will make me really, really happy.

01:12:37 ◼   ► I have one last thing that I want to ask you.

01:12:40 ◼   ► And can you give me a short answer to this?

01:12:42 ◼   ► It's fine.

01:12:43 ◼   ► Because I'm not asking for you to defend yourself, but you appreciate that you're a special flower in this, right?

01:12:49 ◼   ► Like that there are many people that

01:12:51 ◼   ► Don't or wouldn't work the way that you do and your reasons

01:12:55 ◼   ► Whilst they make a lot of sense to me at least and I think to many others

01:12:59 ◼   ► There are still a lot of people that aren't gonna work the way that you do. I

01:13:02 ◼   ► Get what you're saying I

01:13:07 ◼   ► think I'm I

01:13:09 ◼   ► I think I'm lucky because I'm, as you say, a special flower, a special case that happens to be...

01:13:16 ◼   ► that happens to have a blog that is read by a few people. I think there are many, many others like me

01:13:23 ◼   ► that just don't have the time or the space where they can express this.

01:13:30 ◼   ► Like, I think I'm not the only one doing this.

01:13:36 ◼   ► It's just because you know me and you know the website and there are other people that know the website and the podcast

01:13:42 ◼   ► so it's like and it's easy, you know, like to point a finger like

01:13:45 ◼   ► there's a

01:13:48 ◼   ► Yahoo news rewrote

01:13:50 ◼   ► Linked to my article and and they use the headline like can the ipad be used as a pc an apple blogger

01:13:57 ◼   ► uh set out to to find out and

01:14:01 ◼   ► like it's easy to use me I guess as an example and again it's super strange to have this

01:14:09 ◼   ► article going so popular and people saying "oh yeah this guy can do it" like it's you

01:14:15 ◼   ► know what I you know how like I don't have to I don't like to be you know all pompous

01:14:22 ◼   ► and stuff like to be "oh my god yeah I'm popular" like I hate that kind of stuff.

01:14:28 ◼   ► I'm just happy that people can use this as an example.

01:14:33 ◼   ► To answer your question, I don't think I'm alone.

01:14:35 ◼   ► I think it's easy to say that I'm alone, but that's not really the truth.

01:14:44 ◼   ► And I think that more people will share their iPad setups.

01:14:53 ◼   ► Also because there's some sort of... like when you try to say "yeah I don't use a Mac",

01:14:58 ◼   ► the Apple community can be a little, you know, aggressive.

01:15:01 ◼   ► But it is still weird to a lot of people though, right?

01:15:04 ◼   ► Mmhmm, yeah, yeah.

01:15:07 ◼   ► And what's... like, change is weird.

01:15:09 ◼   ► You have to have an Apple 2 to do real work, you know, like...

01:15:12 ◼   ► Yeah, exactly.

01:15:13 ◼   ► It's just a cycle.

01:15:14 ◼   ► Like I'm trying to find the right words not to sound like a pretentious guy.

01:15:23 ◼   ► I'm just, you know, I want to be a nice guy.

01:15:28 ◼   ► And popularity, it's kind of a double-edged sword.

01:15:35 ◼   ► When it makes you say things that other people don't get it, they're like, "Oh my God,

01:15:40 ◼   ► this guy."

01:15:41 ◼   ► You know?

01:15:44 ◼   ► So I'm just happy that people can find inspiration in this.

01:15:47 ◼   ► And I know that it's not for everyone.

01:15:50 ◼   ► Totally.

01:15:51 ◼   ► Like, I get it.

01:15:52 ◼   ► Like, people need Macs.

01:15:53 ◼   ► And that's great.

01:15:54 ◼   ► Macs are great.

01:15:55 ◼   ► PCs are great in general.

01:15:57 ◼   ► It's a great invention.

01:15:58 ◼   ► Greatest invention ever.

01:16:01 ◼   ► Also this one, the tablet, is also another great invention.

01:16:03 ◼   ► That was my point.

01:16:07 ◼   ► So I think that about wraps it up for this week.

01:16:09 ◼   ► I don't have anything more.

01:16:12 ◼   ► So does anybody else?

01:16:13 ◼   ► Are we good?

01:16:14 ◼   ► Are we golden? So good. So good. We're back. We're back together and I'm very

01:16:19 ◼   ► I'm very happy to be joined by my co-host this week. If you would like to

01:16:23 ◼   ► find my lovely co-hosts you can find Bitter Eco's work at maxstories.net

01:16:27 ◼   ► and he is @Vittici on Twitter V I T I C C I. Steven is the writer and proprietor

01:16:33 ◼   ► of fivetolfpixels.net. He writes also @sweetsetup too. Is it

01:16:38 ◼   ► That's thesweetsetup.com.

01:16:44 ◼   ► Thesweetsetup.com.

01:16:45 ◼   ► Yes.

01:16:46 ◼   ► Thank you.

01:16:48 ◼   ► And also is @ismh on Twitter and I am @imike.

01:16:53 ◼   ► If you'd like to find the show notes for this week's episode, you want to take yourself

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01:17:08 ◼   ► - Arrivederci.