28: The Color of Myke's Eyes
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From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 28.
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Today's show is brought to you by Harry's, an exceptional shave at a fraction of the price,
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SaneBox, clean up your inbox and spend less time on email, and Warby Parker.
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Glasses should not cost as much as an iPhone.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined as always by Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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Hi Federico. Hey Myke. How are you doing? I'm doing well. Thank you. Good to hear from you as always. I'm Mr.
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Steven Hackett. Welcome, sir to Connected episode number 28. Hello my fair young co-hosts.
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We are young and you are old. That is correct. Goodbye everyone.
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We survived the curse of the 27 group. We did. We're all still alive.
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We we didn't die as a rock star. I'm really pleased you didn't bring this up last week. I would have been worried all week
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Yeah, I thought about it all the time
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I was like, maybe we're just I don't know
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Maybe the show is dying like right now and I don't want to tell him and instead we survived
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So we did we're on we're on
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episode 28 and it's a Tuesday, which is our new day for at least for now, so
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Tuesday it is Tuesday feels different than Wednesday. I'm still energetic
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Well, it's a it's a day before yes it is. Yeah
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I feel I feel younger than I would have felt tomorrow. So that's a good point you are for once young
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I don't know how much you can feel younger
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You'd be shocked
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You already passed a real point a while ago
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Small victories my friend
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diminishing returns at this point really. What I don't like about like when we
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change days because as well like we have recorded it's I'm all over the place
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right because I no longer record inquisitive on Wednesdays and now I
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don't record this show on a Wednesday so my schedule this week I don't even know
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where I am I multiple times a day did not know what day of the week it was.
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What are you doing on Wednesday? I don't know well tomorrow tomorrow I'm gonna be getting a talk at the Apple
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in the Apple Store and the Comic Garden.
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Oh, it's tomorrow?
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It's tomorrow.
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Can you tell us more about it for people who don't know?
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Yeah, I'm going to be, I'll put a link in the show notes.
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I'm going to be giving a talk on how I became an independent podcaster and talk about kind
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of what I think people who are interested in this sort of stuff should think about and
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that kind of stuff and be doing that at the Apple Store and Comic Garden.
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Unfortunately the event is sold out but it will be recorded and released after the fact
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now which we wasn't going to be originally but I think the event was so popular that
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we decided we're gonna record it so I'm very excited about that so you'll be able to hear
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that probably before next week's episode. There'll be a link for that.
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Can you tell us the ending? I'm really short on time.
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The ending is questions, questions and answers will be the end of my talk.
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Oh it's really cool. I'm excited you guys knew that. And you know people are
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going to want you to sign their phones probably and maybe sign a
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relay shirt or two. I should take, I should remember to take some pens just
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in case something like that does occur. Oh yeah I thought you're talking about
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relay pens. You have like a pen show anyway. Exactly. Plenty of pens.
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Maybe we can do on you know on the pen addict we could talk about the best pens
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to sign something with, you know?
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- It all goes around.
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- They, when we formed the LLC,
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that triggers basically a giant junk mail machine,
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and so I just get all sorts of mail from our business.
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And this one company about every six weeks
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sends me an ink pen with Relay FM on it.
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They want me to buy pens from them.
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And one of them is, my wife uses it,
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It's like purple with this like crazy metal zigzag.
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It's horrendous, but it's like the best riding pen
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in our house, so we all use it.
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It's really ugly.
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- Did you get it for free?
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- Oh yeah, 'cause they want me to do business.
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They want me to buy branded merchandise.
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And I have a guy for that, so.
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- If you just wait for long enough,
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you will eventually have all of the pens that you need.
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Like they just keep sending them to you,
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and then you can sell them.
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- Yeah, we could just put them on the store.
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- We should make a pen.
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But that's not funny.
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It's the edition junk mail pen.
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Yeah. The junk mail is crazy.
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Anyways, we should do some follow up.
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First, from Papa Drang, and I have this tweet up in Chrome, and the snowman in his background is just peeking out behind the tweet, which is very, very disconcerting.
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I'll put a screenshot of that in the show notes.
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Four things that I'm trying to hit the bookmark clip and I can't do it quick enough
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If you follow the direction of this no man's eyes is looking directly at the people who?
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Stephen he's looking right at you. I know
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It's really it's really terrifying
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So before we get to this tweet this week can be found in the show notes
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That can be found on the internet. I believe is that is that true Myke that is true
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can find us over at relay.fm/connected/28 or in your podcast application
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that you of which you have chosen. That's good. So Dr. Drang points out that
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rounding off corners is something that's actually very old at Apple and when he
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saw this, well you can see my reply on Twitter that basically was "I can't
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believe I didn't remember this." So Dr. Drang points us to an Andy Hertzfeld
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article on folklore.org which if you haven't checked out you should
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definitely check out it's it's a lot of fun if you're like me and basically
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talking about how rounded rectangles were a big thing in the original Mac UI
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and kind of how they did it and he actually is talking about how they did it
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on the Lisa which is pretty cool so that article is in the show notes and
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Sappl has a long history of rounding off rectangles because they don't like
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pointy things apparently. Do you? Do I like pointy things? Mmm. I'm okay I'm okay
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with rounded rectangles. Mm-hmm. Do you wish everything was square? Just find it
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strange that you didn't bring this up on your own. Oh I'm sorry. When you get old
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you forget you get forgetful so and Dr. Drang snowmen don't age so he's he's
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young on the inside. In conjunction with this someone pointed us to Johnny Ive
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versus corners on tumblr but there's nothing on this tumblr.
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Somebody set up Johnny Ive redesigns corners.tumblr.com which was something
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that somebody said on last week's episode so someone got there and
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registered it but they've not put anything on there so whoever owns Johnny
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ivory designs corners tumblr.com which honestly is probably Kyle it probably is
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Kyle you need to put things on there you know don't just don't just take the
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domains because it could have been somebody waiting to get it who what who
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had like who'd already opened Photoshop ready to to show some corner redesigning
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this is not how you tumblr at all that you're supposed to put content if we
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learn one thing from Taylor Swift it's out to tumblr yeah I just assume that's
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a reference that young people get. I was waiting for his comment. I know you really set me
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up you just handed it to me. We have a tweet from Glenn Austin Green on Twitter which props
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for using all three names I like the sound of that. We spoke about HomeKit I think a
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couple weeks ago now and basically we're like where's HomeKit? Well HomeKit takes a long
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time you have to certify your equipment with Apple to use HomeKit and Glenn
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has a customer or somebody he knows who has been invited to beta test that so it
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does seem like there's some movement. I do believe there are a couple things
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that were shown at like CES saying that they would tie into HomeKit but overall
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I think our point stands that there's just not a lot going on yet. You know
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It's still sort of a thing that is coming in a lot of ways, I think.
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When I bought my YT home camera a couple of months ago, I was told--
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or at least I read, I think, on the Wirecutter or maybe somewhere else--
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I was told that it was going to support HomeKit.
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Now I'm not sure whether that was true or not.
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I'm really confused by the whole HomeKit rollout.
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I'm in the process of buying a lot of these home automation
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And I was excited to check out HomeKit
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and do stuff with Siri, that sort of features.
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I'm very confused by what is it, how
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it's going to appear at the Apple Store or anywhere else.
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And there's websites and companies saying,
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yeah, we will support HomeKit.
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I'm not sure if my Whiting's Home will support HomeKit with a software update or if there will
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be a different version of the camera, which means that my existing Whiting's Home model will be
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updated. So yeah, I'm very confused. I don't know. It's cool, but the rollout was...
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It's kind of like iTunes Analytics. Never coming.
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I'm like terrified at the thought of you like automating your home.
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Well you know actually the other day album, so I set up like a Philips Hue light.
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I'm trying to find a Belkin WeMo switch. Turns out that my local Apple store doesn't have
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Belkin switches so I think I will have to buy it from the online store.
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And so right now I have these Philips lights and the Whiting's camera.
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The other day I was giving a demo to my friends and so I was using IFTTT to turn on my lights.
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And what's cool is that I can use the...
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You know, IFTTT has these new apps for like the Dew apps they're called.
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And there's one called DewNote.
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And it's cool because even if it's text,
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you can create a recipe for the Philips lights.
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And then you can type the color, like the name of the color
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that you want to turn on in your lights.
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Or you can type the hex code.
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Of course you can.
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So I was just typing the colors and showing it to my parents,
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actually, not to my friends.
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I was showing it to my parents, I typed "red" and I had to tell my dad, he doesn't really know English, that it meant "roso", which is the Italian for "red".
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So I was just messing around with web automation and the lights, and then my girlfriend, which was not with me, got a notification from the Whiting's home camera about movement in the house.
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And she called me like she was panicking.
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She was, she thought they were like,
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we were getting robbed.
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And she was like, they even turn on the lights.
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And I told her, no, that's me, them.
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I'm just showing my parents how you can turn on the lights.
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She thought there was people.
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- This is the problem with connecting your home
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to the internet is you then start to fear things
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that you'd never thought of before.
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How specific can you be with the instructions?
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Can you say like, give me a slightly light blue?
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So I tried like red, pink.
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I tried light blue, but it wasn't really different from blue.
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So I think if you want to be precise, you need to use the hex code.
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What if you were like, the color of Myke's eyes?
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Would it change to the color of Myke's eyes?
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I don't think you can do that.
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It's also kind of confusing because in the Philips Hue app, you can create, there's like
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these custom colors like energetic or relax or romance.
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I'm not sure whether I can type that name into IFTTT.
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I got a pretty more with that.
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I only spent like a week with the lights.
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But yeah, I want to connect all my stuff, the internet of things.
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I'm gonna connect it all.
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And then I'm gonna talk about it on connected, which is going to be all kinds of meta because
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You could set a color called "special business" since you're the president of that.
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My thought was to, whenever there's a new Apple press release, to just start flashing
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a strobe red color.
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God, that would be terrifying.
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But if you're like a sleep still, you're sleep still just going off.
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The next time that you have a product for sale, like the next time you write a book,
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every time there's a sale, flash green.
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Yeah, that's a good idea.
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So anyway, what we were talking about?
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Oh yeah, the HomeKit.
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Also, I thought about it because I saw the Steven Newt said that this listener used his
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complete name. Did I ever tell you guys about my middle name?
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No, we're gonna need to hear this.
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No, so basically in Italy, I guess it's different from America. We don't, like,
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the middle name is not really as important, I think, as it is in America. Myke, is it like a
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thing in the UK?
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Middle names? Like we have them and like...
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do you care usually? Not really, I don't think most people do. Yeah, I think it's the same in
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Italy. It must be a European thing. So I don't want to tell you right now my middle name, I want you to
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guess it. And it's, I'm just gonna say it's a very classic Italian name. It's kind of awesome actually.
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Jeffrey. Also kind of embarrassing maybe for some Italians, I don't know. I'll just let you guess it
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and then we'll wait for feedback.
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And whoever guesses correctly gets, I don't know...
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No, gotta think of a price.
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I will think of a price.
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So how are we accepting these guesses?
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Or send an email to Steven.
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@_ConnectedFM and you can guess Federico's middle name for a prize.
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I don't even know why we're having this competition.
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I can't even remember how we got here.
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I decided to have a competition.
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I've known you a long time, I don't think I know your middle name.
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I know Myke's and Myke knows mine.
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I never tell anyone.
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No, people in the chat room, you're far from the truth.
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Also Alejandro, it's not Italian.
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Will you reveal it?
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Next episode.
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Next episode it will be revealed whether people guess it or not.
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Okay so tune in next week guys.
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For some epic follow up.
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Clearly I have a little thing, a little follow up.
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Listener Jonathan Morris sent me a recording that he has done of the Jonathan Ive article.
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if you remember, I didn't want to read it,
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so Jonathan has recorded it
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for his own podcast that he has.
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And I've been listening today, I'm like 25 minutes in
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and I'm enjoying it a lot.
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It's great, because I get to hear all of the things
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that you guys got to read.
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There are a lot of little interesting things
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that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere,
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'cause they're just like these small things.
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- And because it was a billion words long.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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But you know, there are just these little things that I just mentioned.
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For example, the whole setup of the Apple Watch event when he had Chris Martin and Stephen
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Fry and Sean Combs and it all just hanging out in a garden together.
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Why is this happening?
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But I'm happy that I now know that it happened.
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So yeah, it's great.
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So this is like a bedtime story for you, Myke.
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Yeah, I mean, I think I mentioned on upgrade first.
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I wish that the New Yorker had recorded it.
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With the length that this was, it feels like the perfect kind of thing to have somebody
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professionally narrate for them.
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Like an audiobook.
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Yeah, like an audiobook.
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You could sell it.
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Like an audio article.
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An audio article.
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And people had written in to me and said that they do actually do that with some of their
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stuff, but they hadn't seemed to do it with this one.
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Which is frustrating.
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Mr. Morris has fixed it, so I'm happy about that. So thank you Jonathan.
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Cool, hopefully it doesn't run into any legal issue.
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That is the only thing about it, but whatever. Like they got their page view out of me, so what more
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than they want. Like I'm not gonna read it, at least I'm enjoying their content.
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One last piece of follow-up. A reader sent, or a listener, or a reader I guess, if they are...
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Maybe you can do the opposite. Maybe you can listen to an article and you can print out a podcast
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I don't know what you're talking about anymore. I don't know. It's like a special kind of
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Synesthesia, I think it's called when you mix two different
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Senses like hmm, you know what? I mean like I don't know
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Look up synesthesia. It's it's a real thing Myke. Okay
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While you're doing that I'm going to point this Medium article about a an app that
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seems to work alongside photos app for OS X and iOS where you can do some
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metadata and stuff to photos in the database which is pretty cool. Some of that stuff is
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easy to do like an automator but if your photos are in a database it's harder to
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get to. I have not spent a lot of time with this so if this nukes your entire
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family photo collection don't blame me but that's in the show notes as well.
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Myke have you followed up with a doctor about my disorder? Someone's gonna come
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and visit you. Like right now? At some point. Try not to worry about it. Well how will I know?
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It's really creepy. Yeah that's a it's super creepy because I'm sitting in like a dark room in a
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giant building by myself so I'm a little worried. With these kinds of things it's
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best for you not to know they're coming. Like, just let it happen to you.
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That's no good at all. Oh man. Maybe we should, I think that concludes the follow up.
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I think it does indeed. We're done with the FU.
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What did you think of the Warby Parker experience?
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It was it was great. So I don't think like a lot of people, you know going somewhere talking to people
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That's not really my my thing
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and so I was able to sit down at my table and pick some out and
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They actually showed up on the evening that my wife had a bunch of friends over. So like the house was
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Full of some of her friends and I basically modeled them. You've got to have different disguises
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Visit the eye doctor. I just I actually just graduated wearing glasses full-time, which is depressing
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But they made it fun and it was like you said it's kind of a group exercise of like pick the frames
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They look good on me. So
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It's really really great. You should definitely check it out and you did what I hear many people do
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You ended up picking some that you may not have thought would look good on you, right?
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And then I think you ended up going one of those pairs if I remember rightly
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yeah, they're they're really different than what I picked out it like my eye doctor and
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It was great because I mean you get you get you know to try several pairs
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So I kind of like picked out some crazy ones
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I would, uh, topic zero is basically me complaining for a minute if that's okay.
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I always want to hear you complain.
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So there's a link in the show notes to a day one post.
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My photo of the day on Friday was what was left of my iPhone 6, so my iPhone 6 met its
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Within a week you damaged it in like varied ways, didn't you, as well last week?
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It's been bent.
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No, didn't you do something where you kind of bent it and then it fell down some stairs?
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It's been bent for a while, but then it fell down some stairs on Friday.
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you have a dead pixel in it or something didn't you son out of it it's not me oh
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yeah oh yes it's okay I'll just I'll just I'll tell you you don't you decide
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dropped it and it had a little ding and this in the display of anyways I broke
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it real good and so made you spar appointment and where the genius bar and
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got us swapped out at AppleCare+ it was that was super easy like props to the
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kids at the genius bar it's always weird I always heard sort of touched the
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Genius Bar as if it was my battleship in like a war and I've come back to visit
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it. I always kind of just like rub my hands across I'm like all right you're
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gonna be nice to me right so anyways um so that was great. I will be the lead
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genius of the Memphis region. You know what Myke? You will be my office. I will
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come over there. The problem started when I got home with it so I get the phone
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swapped out, I go home, it's all active, they activate everything for you in the
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store which is really great because that used to be a big pain on Verizon. So I'm
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going through the setup at home, I'm like yep here's my Wi-Fi, here's my thing,
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here's my iCloud ID, I was like I'm just gonna restore from my iCloud backup. I
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didn't have a iTunes backup that was really fresh, I was like well I'll just do
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a restore from iCloud and it won't let me do it. And basically all it says is
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something along the lines of a newer version of iOS is required. At this point
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I'm sort of stuck. I don't have a good iTunes backup, my iCloud backup is sort
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of locked away and like and I'm running iOS 8.1.3 I want the public like build of
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iOS I'm not running the betas at this point. And so I had to set the phone up
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as new, go into settings, update to 8.1.3 it was running something older and then
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erase all the contents and settings so I could then restore my iCloud backup so
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I had to do this loop of setting it up, updating it, erasing it, setting it up
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again which was frustrating but I know what I'm doing. The problem is, and I'm
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gonna see what you guys think about this, I think that screen should say you can't
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install your iCloud backup, you know, you can't restore your data until you update.
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Oh, and here's a button to update your phone at this point
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Overall I think yeah
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I'm really surprised to hear this because it literally doesn't make any sense to me that you would have had to have gone through what you
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Went through that doesn't make sense. Like I don't understand. I don't understand
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I didn't realize a that the iCloud backups were tied like to a specific iOS version
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I figured that 8.1 is kind of all the same. That's also the case with iTunes backups, I think
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Yeah, so it's I remember I got that message like a couple of years ago the last time when I tried to
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You know where when jailbreak used to be a thing?
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and I used to always like update and then downgrade and
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one time I chose to downgrade to
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an older version of iOS and then I try to restore a backup from like a
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newer version of iOS and it showed me that message. I didn't know that it was
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the case with iCloud. The thing is like 8.1 or whatever the phone came with to
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like 8.1.3 I don't know why that would cause such a catastrophic problem. If it
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would be like 7.0 to 8.0 or like 6.0 to 7.0 I would understand but like if it's all
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iOS 8 like it feels like that this shouldn't be an issue. Yeah it was really
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surprising to me and I mean overall I think because we're gonna get to in a
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minute I've set up two phones now in like four days. The iOS setup is really
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long like there's a bunch of screens and the interactions are a little bit
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different sometimes you hit continue sometimes you hit next sometimes you hit
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you know it's like I think the whole thing should be simplified but if if
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they're going to tie and iCloud backup to a specific version of iOS like for
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whatever reason that's fine like a normal person is not going to think
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about doing what I did and they're going to be like well I guess all my stuff's
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gone and then they're going to complain to iCloud to their friends because the
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iCloud backup didn't work. Like they should allow you to update the phone
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from the setup screen. I do not have a problem with the
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fact that the phone out of the box from the Genius Bar was out of date.
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That's just the way supply chains work right? That phone has been in a box for a
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while but I shouldn't have to like go around my elbow and back to get this to
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get my data back on it. It should be really simple. You know backups and we
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have joked about for years doing a backup show and one day I really do want
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to do it but one of the most important things with any backup system is ease of
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restore and this was not easy and it not in any way something that I think a
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normal person would be able to figure out without some real frustration. I think
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you could figure it out but the road yeah so the road to get there it's just
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going to be one filled with cursing as it probably even was for you.
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I was like really? I mean I knew immediately what I needed to do but I was like are you serious?
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Like that's ridiculous and time-consuming right? You got to like
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update it and then you have to go and erase it again and then it was
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really frustrating and I think that onboarding to an iPhone should be the
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opposite of frustrating. You know once it was set up because I use iCloud you know
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had some issues with passwords because I used one password heavily but I also
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have iCloud keychain turned on and not everything gets stored there and then
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like all my text messages were just two-factor authentication codes from
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like Dropbox and Gmail and everything but overall just I wish that that would
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be more seamless for people and not just for people like me who broke a phone but
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you know moving from one phone to a new phone like if you just buy a new phone I
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I think it should be better than it is now.
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I hope Apple addresses that.
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You know, if iOS 9 is gonna be super big air quotes,
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snow leopard release,
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like I would hope that this is part of that,
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of making that onboarding easier is all I want.
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- You know what they should do?
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Like if you own multiple iOS devices with touch ID,
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like if you own an iPad and you buy a new iPhone,
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they should do like use touch ID on your iPad
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and set up this new phone with the same settings
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and exactly like my iPad.
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I don't need to type anything.
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I don't need to confirm anything.
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Just take the settings from this device
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because it's still my device and just don't ask me stuff
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because I went through the same process myself
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and the setup process for an iPhone,
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it's so long and boring.
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I just wish there was a different way to just say,
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"Okay, this is me, this is my favorite settings, just don't ask me stuff and just do your setup,
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this is my authentication and I'm done."
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I think there is a similar thing with the latest Apple TV, that you use your phone to
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set up the Apple TV, so at least Apple has been thinking about this problem in some ways.
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Yeah, I mean overall that's a whole other topic.
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I would like to see the option of like,
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hey, I would like to sync certain things between my devices.
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'Cause I mean, like, I'm sure Federico you've run into this.
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I have like my, I have all my extensions or whatever,
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the way I want them on one device.
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And then I have to do them somewhere else,
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go to my other device and tinker with them there.
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I wish that it would be more cohesive between devices
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if you wanted it to be.
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But I don't know, we'll see.
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I think overall in the history of iOS,
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someone having multiple devices is,
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you know, that's really since I guess 2010
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when the iPad came out.
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I mean, it's been five years,
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but iOS I think was designed as a very like inward looking OS
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where it's not super aware of what's going on around it
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and they add to that over time,
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but it's not as a good of a community player
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as I think it could be one day.
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But we are now nearly twice as long into a multi-device iOS than we were a single one.
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So I feel like that, why I understand what you're saying, I feel like that's not a valid
00:33:46
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I understand that you know a lot of the core is still the same, but it could have been
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addressed by now.
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I don't think, oh it wasn't designed to be that way, I don't think that, for me, anywhere
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that holds up like it was released in 2007 initially and then yeah you know
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2010 is when the iPad came around yeah no that's a good point anyways so that's
00:34:09
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that's a thing to thing to think about I hope that they they make that better
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check quick break talk about Apple watch bands when we get back sound good yeah
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Can I just say a word about SaneBox?
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No, yes, of course you can.
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Okay, so it really is an awesome product.
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I used it for a couple of months last year before I switched to Outlook, but that's another
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So if you do email with your own IMAP server and you want to have this sort of like a main
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inbox where you get important messages and everything else into a separate folder, this
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is super recommended. Basically you train SaneBox into deciding which messages are the
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ones that you need to see and which ones can be handled later. And that's cool but my favorite
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feature was what they call the "sane black hole" which basically you can just drop a
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message into this folder and you will never get that message from that sender ever again.
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So I think they have a lot of features to kind of replicate reminders like in some email
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clients like Mailbox and all these modern email apps, they have native
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reminder features. With SaneBox you can kind of bring that to any email
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platform and it's full of options. You can control, you can create white lists,
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you can do blacklists, you can unsubscribe from messages. It's really
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well done and it's got the teach-ECL approval.
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I was just about to ask if it had received that accolade and it sounds like it, so I'm happy to hear that Federico.
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Yeah, always happy to have these kinds of sponsors.
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Excellent stuff, thank you SaneBox and thank you Federico.
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Right, should we talk about Apple Watch?
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So there's been lots going on this week and Chairman Gruber is kind of like at the fore of predicting pricing and stuff like that.
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I mean, it's insane to try and, I think, wrap our heads around what the prices could be
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of some of these things right now, because there's so many variables.
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Even if you exclude the fact that the edition is probably going to cost like a gajillion
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dollars, even just the regular Apple Watch, when you think about what the bands could
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be and how the pricing could add up, there's so much that we don't know right now.
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A lot of the discussion this week has been focused around the bands, as it seems like
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at least some of my perceptions, mine especially, is slightly different to what I expected.
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Steven, can you kind of frame this a bit for me?
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Yeah, so we know the base model, which people believe to be the sport, is going to start
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at $349, but that's all Apple has said.
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All they have said is the Apple Watch is going to start at $349.
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And so Gruber's been writing about the edition, which will be the gold one, and saying 10
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grand, which is a lot of money.
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There's obviously precedent in the sort of world of watches for something to be that
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But that I think is less interesting than the discussion of the bands.
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So there's a lot of confusion if you look at Apple's site
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about what bands are available with what models.
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And so there's a link in the show notes as well
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to this chart of what kind of we know.
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And it's not as flexible as I thought it would be.
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And when you pair that with Gruber's other point of,
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you know, these bands could be really expensive.
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Like maybe the gold watch is, you know, $7,000 for instance,
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but then if you add this band, it's suddenly $8,500.
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I mean, these bands could be really expensive.
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And again, that makes sense in the high-end watch market,
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but the whole thing seems like it's gonna be
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really complicated to understand
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unless Apple just like puts a chart up on his website
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and says, "If you buy the sport, you can buy these bands."
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The idea that they're completely interchangeable
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seems to be going by the wayside a little bit.
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It's unclear if you're gonna be able to go out
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to buy the Milanese loop, for instance, for your sport.
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You might not be able to buy that as a standalone thing.
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You might have to buy it with a watch.
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It's all very confusing.
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That's really what I've walked away with.
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This is all very confusing at this point, and Apple's going to need to really make it
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clear, I think, of what you can actually buy when you step in the store.
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I think that one of the things that I'm thinking about when looking at a lot of this stuff
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whether Apple think this way or not but it's made this this process I think is
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making it more and more difficult to try and buy one of these online like because
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I feel like you're gonna have to go in and kind of see it you know like the
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more I'm thinking about this and more I'm thinking about the straps is like if
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for example the strap that I want is actually $400 more than the one that it
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comes with then maybe I have to go and see it for myself to work out if it's
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worth it you know does that make sense like if I wanted the link bracelet but
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you know what it comes with is a white sport band but the link bracelets
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another four or five hundred bucks on top of the price then maybe I have to go
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and look at that to really kind of get a feel as to if I'm gonna actually spend
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that money or not if it's worth the extra money right I mean yeah for sure I
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I think I think more than any other Apple product and we're gonna get to what we are currently eyeing to purchase
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But I think more than any other Apple product
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This is gonna be when you have to see in stores before you can make a decision about some of these things
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Which is which is nuts
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I mean being in the Apple store the other night like looking around talking to one of the store managers who was there when I was
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There I was like, this is gonna be weird in April. He's like, yep, it is
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It's gonna be really a very different mindset than what they have now
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So we'll see how it goes. I mean it's it's it's a new chapter. I think it's a really exciting one, but
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We have to kind of stop
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I think I think what we have to do and what I have to do at least is stop thinking about this is like a
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Tech product of like this is a MacBook Pro. These are my options like
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When you purchase something like a watch it is not that cut and dry
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You know it's not like well
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I can get the discrete video card with the 15-inch if I go to the you know the high end
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But the low end doesn't like that's if that's complicated the watch is gonna be even more so
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but it kind of has to be right because it's so personal I mean I don't see a
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way around it really no I think anything that you're gonna put on your body you
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you have to be able to make considerations for that and it's
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something that we've not really seen from many other wearable devices is like
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the consideration of fashion I know this is something that me and Federico argued
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for a long time yeah I don't want to know but I agree I know please let's get
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back into that. No no no no I agree now looking at it like this considerate the
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consideration of looking good and the consideration of fashion are two very
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different things and where whether Motorola and like Ythings and people
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like that have considered that they want their devices to look good
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it doesn't mean they're fashionable but Apple is going for fashionable and
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and they're doing that with extreme customization.
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Would you agree with that statement, Federico?
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-Yeah. -Good.
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So yeah, I think we're on the same page now.
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I would say that...
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a lot of people that I follow and that I read,
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they're going crazy with this speculation about the price
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and the band compatibility.
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And I think that's a bit...
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I wouldn't say wrong, but...
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I think it's not the right approach. I think it is a bit silly to think about these customizations in like text packs, because fashion is not a text pack.
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If you're not going to be able to use the link bracelet on the sport, so what?
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I mean, you don't go into a clothing store and you ask "Why doesn't this shirt come in a long-sleeve model?"
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Because whatever, because the designer chose to do it this way, you know?
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And I think, I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I find this constant speculation about the price a bit boring.
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It is going to be a gold watch, it is going to cost money, so I mean, let's...
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Can we just wait?
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I mean, I kind of get it because it's, you know, it's good to talk about an upcoming Apple product.
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But I kind of want to wait and focus more on what you will do rather than spend hours.
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I mean, there's people making charts.
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Yeah, well, I know, but Apple's created a vacuum because they haven't said anything.
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Like, there's really even questions around the software still.
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And so in that vacuum, like, people are just gonna, people are gonna find topics.
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Did you see people comparing the price of gold to other things?
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Yeah, then I just sort of jumped out the window.
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Yeah, I mean seriously, this is like before the iPad mini came out,
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people were doing all sorts of crazy calculations about the weight and the price and the screen size,
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and it was so boring after a while, because just wait and don't spend all your time doing this.
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But that's good fun for page views.
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Yeah, that's my point. Thank you.
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Let's try and brighten it up a little bit.
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Federico, have you taken a look at the configurations?
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Do you have an idea in mind as to what you might be interested in?
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I want the SteelWatch.
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No, the SteelOne's the shiny one, right?
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Because I get confused in my mind as to which one's the shiny one and which is not.
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So the steel one is the shiny one, so that's the standard, the Apple Watch.
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I want the Apple Watch 42 because I'm a big guy.
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And the link bracelet.
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And that's it.
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You want to go silver or...
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They call it black but it looks grey.
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The black looks more grey than the grey is black. Anyway.
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What are you thinking there?
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What's the name of the one that looks like steel?
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I think that's just...
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It hasn't got a name, but the black one is called ceramic black.
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No, it's not ceramic black, it's ceramic back.
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It's called space black.
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So what about you, Myke? What are you looking at?
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So I'm definitely gonna go 42 because bigger is better, naturally. And I'm undecided on color.
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I do want the steel version myself. I'm undecided whether to go black or not. I need to see that
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in person. Yeah I'm afraid it's gonna be like in their renderings it looks really shiny. Yeah so
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that that's why I would maybe go with the black one because I don't want it to be shiny but I
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interested. The reason I don't want the sport is because if the bands are
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locked in the way that they're saying, like they're
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locked into certain devices, I don't want a sport band. That's my reason. I don't
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want the sport band. I like the look of the other bands and I have got my
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eye on either the Millenii's Loop or the Link, but my concern is that they are
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gonna be the two most expensive, more than the terrible leather, but I want one of those
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two. I am trying to think about this in more of what Federico was saying about it not being
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a tech product. I'm trying to think of it that way and really consider to myself, okay,
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if you do this, you're gonna be like, this is an investment you're gonna make here. So
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need to think about this. It's up to me how I end up deciding to do it, of course, but
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do I want to think of this as a tech product or do I want to think of this as if I was
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buying a watch? And I'm trying to think of it that way in, yeah, maybe I spend a thousand
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pounds on this. Maybe that's what ends up happening because it's the one that I want
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to get. Do you know what I mean? I don't know where I'm sitting with that yet, and I think
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that that will inform the final pricing decision that I make.
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- I think that's a conversation that affects the whole thing.
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If you're gonna spend a significant amount of money,
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I mean, you're talking about a lot more
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than an iPhone potentially,
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if you view it as a piece of technology,
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you're gonna be tempted to upgrade it
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when the second gen comes out.
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But if you view it as more of a fashion,
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more of as an accessory,
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maybe you're less likely to do that.
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So I think that's the flip side of all that conversation.
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Serenity had a nice piece at EyeMore
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about the gold one specifically, I think yesterday or today.
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- 'Cause I was super fine with like the,
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my pebble steel being cheap, right?
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And like the fact that with the pebble steel,
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I just got it as it looked because I was treating it
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like a piece of technology.
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So like if I was to apply the same thinking to that,
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then I would just get the sport.
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- But it's not necessarily what I'm thinking of.
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- Yeah, so I'm looking at the Sport,
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and we are still assuming that the Sport is the cheap one.
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I mean, they haven't actually said that, I don't think.
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'Cause on the site, it's in the middle
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of the Apple Watch and the Sport,
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but the materials seem cheaper.
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I like the, I like the space gray a lot on the Sport one,
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and I like the sport band in black.
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So I'm thinking space gray, sport with the black band.
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I don't know what size.
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My two current watches I have are 38 millimeter.
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My wrist aren't enormous, but it might be nicer
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to have the additional screen space.
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So that's the one thing I wanna see them in sizes
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before I purchase, but I'm thinking currently at least,
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Space Gray Sport with the black sport band.
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I like the dark look.
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I don't want something real flashy or shiny,
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but it's just kinda my personal taste.
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- I love that all of us nerds are considering
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our fashion options now, it's so fantastic.
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It's true, but what can you do?
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And it's because it's a new chapter.
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So you kind of have to ask those questions now,
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I think, with a product like this.
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And it's funny, you know, we've spent a lot of time
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in the past talking about the iPhone and the iPod.
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And the iPod, especially for a long time,
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you could pick a color of your Mini or Nano or something
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to sort of match your personality.
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And the iPhone 5C had the same thing.
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But this is so much more than that,
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because like you said, Myke, you wear it.
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Like the two watches I own that I wear,
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I sort of alternate.
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I picked out because of the way they look
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and one of them because of what it says,
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because it's a calculator watch and I can do math on it.
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And I like having a little symbol of nerdom.
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And so this definitely is well beyond like,
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what color iPod mini do I want?
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So it's interesting and I think it'll be fun to see
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the different combinations that are available
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and what people do with it.
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And we'll see, we'll see how it goes.
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So there was some other smartwatch news though.
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And Myke, I have not caught up on this.
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So do you wanna kinda walk us through this maybe?
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- Yeah, so Pebble have been teasing
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that they were gonna be having an announcement today
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of a new product.
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And we're recording on the 24th of February, 2015.
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and 9to5 Mac had kind of gotten it a little bit early and basically let the cat out of the bag for them.
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But I think what was maybe not necessarily expected is that Pebble's next watch would be a Kickstarter project
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which is the way that they decided to launch.
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Pebble very famously launched their first watch on Kickstarter.
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It was an incredibly successful Kickstarter campaign in the first instance.
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They made $10.2 million for the first one, which was just incredible.
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They were like 10,000% funded.
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And that was back in May of 2012.
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And then today they came out and they had a goal of half a million dollars for the Pebble
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Time, which is the first, at least that I've seen, colour e-ink screen.
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And it's a watch.
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and they're claiming seven days battery life, thinner, more ergonomic design
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claimed by Purple. I say that because I personally don't like the way that this
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one looks very much, but to each their own and they've got you know standard
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watch bands and stuff like that. It comes with a new UI and operating
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system upgrade called the timeline as well where they're rethinking
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the way that the information is presented to you. So you see like the
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The watch face that you have is the present, and you press the down button to see things
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that are in your future, like your appointments for the day and stuff that apps can show you,
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and then you can go backwards and see your past, so see your notifications and stuff.
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It's quite an interesting way to think about the UI, and I think of everything that I saw
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from this, the user interface, I think looks quite nice.
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There's some really interesting animations which look very impressive for an E-ink display.
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I think overall the product looks really nice and they were doing early birds, they had
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10,000 early birds that sold out now for $160 and I considered it because it looked fun
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but then I was like "eh, by the time it gets here, which is May, you're gonna have a new
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one so it's like, you're gonna get the Apple Watch" so that was the reason I didn't go
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ahead and buy it.
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But that didn't really seem to matter because they raised their goal within a steely amount
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And I think they made a million within half an hour.
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They made a million dollars.
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Which is insane.
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Which is, it's the fastest project to ever get to that point.
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Now I'm gonna tell you what the number is.
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I think now at this very moment,
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they've raised $6,450,709.
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They've got 31 days to go,
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they have just under 31,000 backers.
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And I say that because it is changing right now.
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They're now already at 6,452,007.
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Like it's insane.
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I have never seen a Kickstarter project like this one.
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And I'm really happy for them.
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super thrilled for them. So what's interesting, I mean that's really
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interesting to me, but the device is interesting too because they are tapping
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into, they're not running Android Wear, but they're doing some Android Wear like
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things, correct? Yeah but this has been the case, this is currently the case with
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the Purple as well. Okay so is that not new with this? What, they are
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they are going further in that they have a microphone now built into this, so the
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the new version has a microphone in so you can do some text entry
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which you've not been able to do before. But part of Android Wear, part of the
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API's are for actionable notifications and the current Pebble has been able to
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do this for a while. But they're taking it a little bit further and basically
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that once you go into it you take a look into some of the stuff that
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that they're talking about the things that it can do.
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This is very, very clearly becoming
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an Android focused device.
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It supports iOS, but so much of the new stuff
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that they have, like the voice to text APIs
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and things like that, currently there is no way
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that they can do this on iOS.
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- Which I mean, they're kind of caught in between
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two platforms that have first party smartwatch stuff now.
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and it makes sense I think to gravitate towards Android
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because I think the Apple Watch is gonna be,
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is obviously gonna have hooks to iOS
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that the Pebble just won't,
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you know they're not gonna open that up,
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but on Android they have a little bit more
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and I think that Android Wear is maybe an easier target
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in some ways for something like this than the Apple Watch.
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But I think it's interesting you know,
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we've talked about the Pebble at length,
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Myke you still own one.
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their timing for this makes a ton of sense.
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You gotta get out before the Apple Watch,
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and I think moving closer to Android in their feature set
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is something they've gotta do,
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and I think it makes a ton of business sense for them
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to create a little market for them.
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- I think where they set themselves now,
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which is very smart,
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is arguably the best smartwatch for Android.
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And I think that is a very clever place for them to put themselves.
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Can I just be that guy for this topic?
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Okay, so I think it kind of makes sense as a short term plan
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to pre-sell effectively a lot of these watches.
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I don't see Pebble as having a future.
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I don't either.
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No, I don't.
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I think they will be squeezed by both sides, by Apple, with the Apple Watch and iOS, and
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on Android eventually when Motorola and Samsung will get better and cheaper at making useful
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and good looking watches, and eventually by Google, if they're going to make their own
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Google Watch, which you can only assume they're thinking about.
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I mean, I kind of understand why they're using Kickstarter as a marketing platform, more
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than a crowdfunding solution, because they don't really need funds, considering how the
00:59:38
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beginning of the video is the Pebble CEO celebrating how many Pebbles they've sold.
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And unlike the first Pebble, this time this model is basically done, and they're just
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taking pre-orders, basically.
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I think it makes sense right now.
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You just want to get them out of the door
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before the Apple Watch, if it's really before the Apple Watch.
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Because this is coming in May, and the Apple Watch
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is coming in April.
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Yeah, but they got the news out.
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I think that's maybe more of it.
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They got the news out.
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And I don't think it looks good, personally.
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It looks kind of chunky and toyish.
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Some people like it.
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I think it'll be like--
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And I mean, I perfectly understand why it is nice to root for the indie guys going after, you know, the big guys.
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I totally understand that.
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But the sad reality, I think, is that on Android and iOS, smartwatches and wearable devices in general, made by the platform owner,
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will always be and will eventually have better integration, better native APIs than whatever is exposed over Bluetooth or Wi-Fi to these kinds of devices.
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So it's kind of sad when you think about it. There could probably be a market for Pebble as the most popular, cheap Android smartwatch.
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I think about it like those cheap tablets I see at the mall by companies like MediaCom.
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I'm not even sure what they do. I just see these Android tablets running Android 4 point something,
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and they cost 99 euros. And some people buy them just because they're tablets, and I guess eventually
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some people will buy Pebble just because it's a smartwatch. I don't want to sound too negative,
01:01:39
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but I just don't think they have a future realistically.
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So I do agree with what you're saying. I think that where this is another very successful thing
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for them and from a business perspective they've made a very very smart few moves here.
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In getting this out to where it is now. It's good money, it is good money.
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They're making great money. And the interesting thing is they've actually limited this Kickstarter
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that they can't actually make an awful lot more unless they bring more pledge levels in.
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They capped it. Well, they can make a lot more, but it won't be like, at their current rate,
01:02:17
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they can't make like $60 million or whatever. They can't do that. I think that maybe we,
01:02:26
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the three of us, don't understand enough about Android Wear. I know I don't. I believe that
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that they're able to really kind of be comparable,
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like from a software perspective,
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because they're able to hook into the APIs.
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- Maybe right now.
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- The one thing that they can't use is the apps.
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So the apps that are on Android where they can't use.
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You have to develop a Pebble app,
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and that might be where it starts to fall apart for them.
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So they can hook into a lot of the notification APIs,
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but then if apps become a thing for Android Wear,
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that's where Pebble gets squeezed.
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So I'm interested to see what happens to them.
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I think that they have a future,
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but I think it's a short future, if I'm being honest,
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unless they do what they really probably should do,
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is create a Pebble device which is full Android Wear,
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and they go that way,
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because that's probably gonna have to be the next step
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if they wanna have a future.
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I don't know if the Pebble platform is going to be a credible third platform.
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Or maybe just make more niche professional devices like, I don't know, a smartwatch for
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people who run or for people who ride bicycles.
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You know, that sort of small angle.
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I don't know.
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All right, we do have one more thing that we want to talk about today, but let me take
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So you two have finally seen the light. Everyone has finally accepted. 2015 is the year of Myke.
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And you've both decided you're going to get six pluses.
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Well, not exactly.
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Well, you both have them. That's all I have to know.
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That's true.
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I have one right now, I have it for a month and so this is week two.
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Should I share my thoughts with you guys or I don't know just say for 10 minutes that Myke was right?
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What do you want me to say? No, I want you to go into a lot of detail about how right I am.
01:07:48
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Yeah, so 10 days ago, more or less, I got this iPhone 6 Plus, white, top capacity, so that's 128GB.
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I was really, as listeners of the show may remember, I was really skeptical of the size
01:08:13
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and the comfort in general of using the 6 Plus, because all my interactions were based on two things.
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One was my preconception of a big phone, and second was my brief demos at my local Apple store.
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And so it's really big, it's huge, it's just a giant screen and you gotta use it as a phone,
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and the first 24 hours are weird because it's huge.
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And after the first day it's still huge but it at least my experience it kind of starts making sense.
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What I noticed immediately was the battery was amazing.
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Like when Myke was saying I need this phone because the battery is better
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and I need to go all day with my iPhone.
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I was kind of, "Yeah, I can get all day with my iPhone too if I just sneak in a couple of charges during the afternoon."
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But after using this, I appreciate the fact that I can really use this phone without even charging it once,
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and without having to worry about packing an extra charger, a portable one, with me.
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because it doesn't need it because I get to 1 a.m. or 2 a.m. and I still have
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25 or 30 percent left
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Which is amazing. It's incredible. I don't get that kind of battery life with the iPhone 6
01:09:47
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Also what I what I noticed and I kind of initially I felt kind of gross
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Maybe and then I felt kind of good after after a while
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Finish this sentence. No
01:10:04
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Is that I'm using my phone in landscape mode for the first time in six years.
01:10:11
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The keyboard is so bad.
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No, no, no, hear me out.
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So what I really, I was like, oh my God, what am I doing here?
01:10:19
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The home screen in landscape mode, it kind of, when you, when you try it for the first
01:10:25
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time, it's like, what?
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Then, I was trying to navigate my apps, to switch between apps back and forth, to open
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folders, which by the way, folders on the 6 Plus have this crazy paginated layout that
01:10:41
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lets you swipe over multiple pages.
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It's crazy useful.
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So as I was using this, my girlfriend looked at the 6 Plus and she was like "This is like
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a game controller, but it's an iPhone."
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And that comment alone, it kind of made it click for me because I told Myke I think in
01:11:01
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the after show of virtual last week, this is like a PS Vita, but it's an iPhone because
01:11:08
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I hold this phone as I would hold a game controller or a portable game console and instead I get
01:11:15
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the iPhone experience and I get iOS apps.
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And it's kinda cool, because it's not an iPad, it's not a typical iPhone, it's kinda this
01:11:26
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weird and kinda intriguing in between.
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And so I type in editorial with this new keyboard, and it's got shortcuts for copy and paste,
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which I find super useful.
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And I can select text holding down Shift and using the special arrow keys on the 6+ keyboard,
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which I find super useful when I'm typing a blog post on the 6+.
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And also what I really like is that some apps like Todoist, of course Apple apps, and I
01:12:04
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think also, what is it, I'm looking at my home screen right now.
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they have this special layout for the 6 Plus,
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and when I switch to landscape, I see a sidebar.
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And in To-Do, it is really handy for me
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because I can switch between task lists on the left
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and see my actual tasks on the right.
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So a lot of people ask me on Twitter
01:12:31
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while I was testing this 6 Plus,
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are you going to switch from the iPad only to the iPhone?
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So that's a bit crazy.
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I think my iPhone for me it's always going to be a companion device because
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the iPad Air 2 is really much much bigger than the 6 Plus of course so I
01:12:53
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really need the you know the big screen of the iPad but the 6 Plus I think you I
01:13:01
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need to say I was wrong so Myke was at least from my point of view was right
01:13:07
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when he told me you're going to like the battery life you're going to like the
01:13:10
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bigger screen, trust me, makes sense. And I think it is the kind of device, especially
01:13:14
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if you were used to smaller iPhones, and if you never really tried bigger phones with
01:13:21
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this kind of thinness and lightness, because I think it is important to consider that,
01:13:27
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unlike old Android devices, you know, when I used to make fun of big Android phones,
01:13:32
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they didn't have this kind of thinness or lightness. So once you try this, this is the
01:13:37
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kind of device that you need to experience for at least a couple of days to really get
01:13:43
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So I have to say the mic was right and for me it is this kind of companion device that's
01:13:50
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still in between but when I need a phone, that's how I'm trying to think about it,
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when I need a phone I think this phone would be better for me.
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I don't always need a phone because I get a lot of stuff done on the iPad but I can
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see why, because I have big hands, because I don't mind this phone in my pocket, I can
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see why this can be a better device.
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I see more... when you hear people saying "you see more content" on the screen, and
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it doesn't really mean anything because "content" is really a buzzword.
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I see more tweets, I see more emails, I read more without having to swipe to scroll, so
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it has a real practical consequence.
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So this is only week 2, I have about until March 20 to try this and I think I wouldn't
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say falling in love because I only say that about people.
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And the people who make iPads.
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But I see myself liking this device more and more, and I like the catharsis of saying that
01:15:08
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I was wrong, which I think is good to admit your own...
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Not as much as me hearing you say.
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Yes, I can imagine.
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I can imagine.
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I can send you a recording of me looping Michael's right over and over.
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I'm gonna make it, so it's fine.
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So I can see myself liking this phone and wanting to exchange my iPhone 6 for 6 Plus.
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I don't know if I can do that, I don't know if I'll have, you know, drive to the Apple
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store and see if it can be done, but I can see myself having this kind of desire.
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I would be really, I really wish that you hadn't switched to the iPad Air 2, because
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I would love to know how you felt about this, using a Mini,
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because I genuinely feel that you would have just said,
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"No, I don't need an iPad anymore."
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No, I don't think so.
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I don't know, man.
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The difference is too much.
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I don't know.
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Sometimes I try to prepare entire articles on the 6 Plus,
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and I just need the bigger screen
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because my eyes are just too much fatigue.
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I mean like iPad mini bigger or iPad Air 2 bigger?
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I'm super happy with the Air.
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No no no but that's what I mean like I wish that you wouldn't have switched yet to the iPad Air 2
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so I would know how you felt if you were an iPad mini user still
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like how you would have felt about the 6 Plus is just the only device for you, yeah?
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No I don't think that can because I mean I think it's still small you know
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I mean it's much bigger but it's still a small device and I
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I feel more comfortable with the iPad.
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- It is though really close to the,
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'cause I've got the iPad mini and the six plus,
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it's closer than I thought it would be.
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And it's actually funny,
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my wife has an 11 inch MacBook Air
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and I was doing something on it last night
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and I held the six plus like up to the 11 inch air screen.
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I was like, oh, it's kind of as tall as that screen is.
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I mean, so I've only been using it for about a day,
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which is not a lot of time, I am using it full time,
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it is one that will go back from once it came
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in a couple days.
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But it is not as weird as I thought it would be.
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My biggest problem is it's just big,
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like in my pockets or like in my car,
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like it's just, it's a big device.
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But there are a lot of benefits to that
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and I can totally see why someone would be attracted to that
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that sort of device, especially if you don't have a tablet.
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Like the idea that you can have one device
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and is definitely doable with something like this.
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I will say that I, and Federico,
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I wanna see what you thought about it.
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I had to adjust kind of my phone habits
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when I went to the 6, but like the 6 Plus for me at least
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is definitely a two-handed device.
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like I cannot do it single-handedly and I've got you know regular-sized human
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hands and that's really been interesting to me. I have found myself like leaving
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work today to come here to record. Usually if I get on the elevator you
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know I put my phone out and look at something but I had something in my
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hands already like under one arm and I knew that I couldn't use the 6 Plus
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one-handed very well so my phone just stayed in my pocket which is probably
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good ultimately but it's just the size like does impact your usage of it a
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little bit which I did not really expect all that much but it is substantially I
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mean on paper doesn't seem like it's that much bigger but it definitely is in
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practice. Once you like adjust because like I if you I look forward to
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you seeing me use it because there are there are some hand movements and stuff
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that I make which are crazy like I sometimes will like be holding it in one
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hand and kind of like rock it onto my thumb to like to press oh my god yes yes
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I was doing that with the six already okay then small hands. It really does have small hands I think.
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Old man with small hands.
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Are you still there?
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I know that I do some crazy kind of things with the device
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that you kind of will get eventually
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you kind of just work these ways of using it.
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But it is kind of crazy and I do drop this way more than I've dropped any iPhone
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because of these stupid things that I do.
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and I'm talking catastrophic ones, on multiple occasions, I've dropped it and then hit the
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corner and it's spun in the air.
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Never a bit of damage though, because I keep it in a case like a gentleman.
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Yeah, I'm nervous about that with this, that I don't smash it in the time that I have it.
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I'm super nervous with mine.
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I'm just being super careful around the 6+ because I cannot drop it.
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You gotta get a case, Teach, you just gotta get one.
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No, because I gotta... it's temporary.
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Yeah, but can't you...
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I don't want to buy a case.
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You could return it.
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Yeah, I don't do this sort of stuff.
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I feel bad going back and say, "Hey, I want to return this."
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I feel like a jerk, you know?
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I don't do that.
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I don't want to waste anyone's time.
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Yeah, so that's fair.
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So, I mean, overall, I don't know if I'm ready to say,
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I wish I had done this over the six,
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or I'm not ready to say that I would next time around go to the bigger phone,
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but I will say that my dismissal of it early on was a little...
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A little hasty.
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A little hasty.
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Yeah, yeah. A little conservative, maybe even.
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All phones have been smaller and this one is bigger and oh my god, it's a copy of Android.
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I mean, I made that kind of argument and trying this device in actual everyday life, it's different.
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And I want to see, I think I will eventually, because when I get this sort of feeling that
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this is the device for me, it's like when I held the iPad R2, I was like, yep, that's it.
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And this is the one that I want. And I'm getting the same feeling with the 6 Plus. And I know I
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will eventually replace my iPhone 6.
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If I did go to a bigger phone, I would go back probably to the iPad Air just to have
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more of a difference.
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You know, I like the iPad Mini, but the reasons I like it, the 6 Plus kind of fall into.
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And it would be nice to have something faster as an iPad than the Mini 2.
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There is one thing that I want to bring up that I don't like, and it's about iOS and
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the fact that apps seem to refresh from memory a lot, at least way more often than the iPhone
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I can't compare it, but I do know that that is something that I see.
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I've noticed it too, and I think the 6 and the 6 Plus are basically the same except for
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the screen, and I wonder that if the increased pixel density is putting a stress on the internals
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that the the 6 doesn't feel as badly and you gotta remember too Federico like
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you're also an iPad Air 2 which is way better than these other devices at that
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so yeah you're kind of seeing like the worst-case combination of like you went
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from a 6 or 6 plus and you have an Air 2 I've got you know that iPad mini 2 and
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the iPhone 6 and 6 plus both feel faster than the mini 2 and I guess the mini 3
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since they're the same so it's I can definitely see that I think the Air 2
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hopefully is the first of what will come to all the Apple devices like these things need more memory because
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Safari just just kind of just disappear sometimes and that's that's no fun
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It's also awesome that on the 6 plus you get the iPad
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Safari layout in landscape you get actual tabs and you get a special
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Didn't you know that? I haven't used it much in landscape. Oh, man. It's awesome. Go to landscape open Safari open multiple tabs
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Steven you can't have this device and not use it in landscape like it might not be what you
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think you want, but you've got to try it because
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seriously, you don't have an experience like this on any other iOS device because there are so many apps that look
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completely different in some like for example in fantastic al you can get like
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Like an agenda view on the left and like a full day view on the week view on the right like you
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I'm gonna give it a shot. I mean, I'm a person who leaves their iPhones. My iPhone 6 is always locked in portrait orientation
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But I will give this a shot. Break out of it. Break out. I'm gonna give it a shot. I got some more time with this.
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There's new things in there. So we're gonna keep using these. Federico,
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are you using it as your carry phone? Like you your stuff is on it? Yes. Yeah, me too.
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I feel ridiculous on a phone call.
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I used iTunes like an old man to restore my backup. I used a cable and a Mac.
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This week you used USB and I complained about iCloud. We have apparently entered some bizarro connected. Yes
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So I'm sure we will follow up on this on this next week's you and I both have some more time with these devices
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So yeah, I got two I got three more so plenty of follow-up
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I am also using my six plus as my carry phone
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Right now. It's camera. We don't care about your opinion
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I've had all the opinions. I'm allowed now. It's right. We we have said you were right plenty of times now
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We know with the yes. Yeah. Thank you. All right
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Excellent. Well, I feel great. This is the best episode of the show probably don't need to know like no no Myke
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You know that there's going to be a very special one soon. Oh
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Yes, we still have not heard from this secret from federal. Do you remember this Steven?
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mentioned a secret a couple of weeks ago I thought that was off-air maybe I don't
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remember I do remember it I didn't want to bring it up I don't know if it was
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private well they're private surprise there is continuing to be teasing of this
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secret and don't forget my middle name oh yes that's the real reason to tune in
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yeah maybe we'll once and for all find out
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Federico Vittucci's middle name. Is it Vittucci? Why would it be Vittucci?
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It's Federico with a Y. No it's Federico with PH like Steven. There you go.
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Federico. Alright take us home Myke. If you want to find the show notes for this
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week's episode you want to go to relay.fm/connected/28. If you want to
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find us on Twitter we are @_ConnectedFM I am @imike, I am YKE Federico is @vitiici
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V I T I C C I and Steven is @ismh on Twitter. Steven writes over at
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512pixels.net Federico @maxstories.net and I have many
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shows on Relay FM I would love you to check them all out. Check out
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that you may enjoy. We'll be back next week with another episode of Connected
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Thanks again to our sponsors this week, Harry's, SaneBox and Warby Parker,
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but most of all, thank you for listening. Until then, say goodbye everybody.
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- Arrivederci. - Adios.