The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► never gone back recently to to attract [TS]

00:00:02 ◼   ► by that actually has a button like a [TS]

00:00:03 ◼   ► separate button area that you can't just [TS]

00:00:05 ◼   ► like the whole thing ever spent was that [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► the one we added that the non unibody [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► macbook pro the button had been so [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► filled with child filth that it would [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► like it was like not click down Linkin [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► knocked down like physically would know [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► yeah yeah so I guess that won't happen [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► with the four strategies let's get out [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► like an even crust of disgusting as a [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► kids are grossmont so we should do a [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► little bit of follow-up in one of you [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► wants to talk about cellular service on [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► max a couple of listeners because we [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► talked a lot about the mac class show [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► the viability of the mac whether it's [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► going to be replaced by the ipad if it's [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► dead platform all that stuff and [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► multiple people asked us about a topic [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► that has come up in the show before but [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► didn't come up on the last episode is [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► related to the question of another case [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► he was talking about this how you can go [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► anywhere with an ipad and do anything [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► because it's got a cellular connection [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► and it's got Wi-Fi and its kind of [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► all-in-one yeah if you have a laptop you [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► can tether it but then you also need [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► your phone and your drain your phone's [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► battery and didn't take the next step [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► and talk about the topic the evergreen [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► topic of why do max not have cellular [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► connections what is it like these a lot [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► of people think that would make the mac [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► a stronger competitor to even the pro [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► iPads especially now that Max is very [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► small you could have a macbook one [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► second generation macbook one with [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► better battery life a faster cpu and a [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► cellular connection that would surely [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► give a an ipad pro or run for its money [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► as that single lightweight machine that [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► you can take everywhere and work from [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► anywhere with why is it the max after [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► all this time don't have cellular and [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► I've ever seem to recall the last time [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► we talked about it we didn't really we [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► had some vague ideas but at this point [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► years later I think most are vague ideas [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► like well they want to reserve that for [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► the phone I think you should use your [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► phone that was like now now what's the [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► excuse so I think that the problem apple [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► has with putting cellular modem in and [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► in a macbook or macbook pros twofold one [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► it's more things to take up space and [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► actually come to think of battery life [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► you know things have to get everything [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► her [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► so we seem to think any way into why [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► would you not have an iphone with you [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► have iphone you have a way to tether it [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► to your Mac why would you ever need an [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► onboard connection on your Mac now of [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► course this argument falls completely on [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► its face when you point out well there's [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► iPads with cellular connections in fact [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► KC you have an iPad with the cellular [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► connection and I have an ipad with the [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► cellular connections because i don't [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► want to have to tether to my phone [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► anytime I want to get online outside of [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► the house [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► not when i'm not near Wi-Fi so I i don't [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► know that i would buy a mac that had a [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► cellular connection but it certainly is [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► appealing and it certainly would make me [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► think twice about an ipad pro if I was [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► trying to like decide between an ipad [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► pro with cellular or say a macbook one [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► with cellular and Marco how do you think [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► about it i would love a macbook with [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► cellular I would absolutely love it but [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► as we discussed you know years ago my [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► first cover this topic I think nothing [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► can really change in the way that the [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► the software environment on the mac is [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► designed in most cases most of the apps [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► designed the system services are [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► designed to assume they're on Wi-Fi all [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► the time and to assume they can use [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► large amounts of bandwidth this is the [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► system update or would you know that [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► could download an update that's hundreds [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► of mex itunes they can background [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► download new episodes of TV shows that [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► you buy stuff like that and grant a lot [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► of these things are things that may be [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► fading out of favor but they still [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► happen you have all sorts of you know [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► software updates happening all the time [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► the background matically and not just [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► from Apple could be you know adobe [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► updater and everything too [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► there's a there's so much stuff on the [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► mac environment that assumes that can [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► just did it assumes that if it has a [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► connection it can download large chunks [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► of data in the hundreds of Meg's range [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► and and there there was changing the [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► api's I think with mountain lion it was [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► i think it was around mountain lion time [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► when they when they moved to nsurl [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► session where a unified the API between [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► iOS and and mac and nsurl session has [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► has a company's global flags on session [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► for you can say you know on any [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► connection i run in this session allow [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► or don't allow cellular access so if the [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► connection is cellular you could you [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► know you as the ad maker kind of [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► opt out of using it or opt into using it [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► if you wanted to you could say like you [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► know if something is important like if [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► you like human twitter app and you're [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► trying to fetch the timeline used you [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► cited for that because that's probably [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► the user wants but if you're checking a [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► background update to see if there's any [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► updates to your app if your Adobe then [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► maybe wait for waiting to Wi-Fi for that [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► so that system has been there for a few [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► years but the reality is i don't think [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► any lapse meaningfully are really using [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► it especially since there's no reason to [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► the videos it because there are no sir [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► max so so unfortunately I just think the [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► the software environment is is so [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► wasteful of data by default that I think [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► it would just result in way too much [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► data usage and I think you know Apple [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► probably noticed that too and also you [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► know on iOS you have the app store and a [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► preview to enforce that into monitor [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► that and that's a preview does monitor [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► for excessive bandwidth users they have [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► certain certain measures like you can't [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► use more than X megabytes index minutes [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► unless the user streaming media or [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► something like that you know there's [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► there are certain limits that they at [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► least used to monitor for they probably [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► still do anyway all that is to say that [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► you know it on the mac you don't really [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► have the software environment conducive [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► to sipping data carefully when you're on [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► cellular you know it's funny you bring [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► that up i agree with you but have you [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► used trip mode [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► have you heard about this I have it is [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► that some kind of little fire off a [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► little miniature what as sorta kinda I [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► think that might have been Jason's smell [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► that turned me onto this I forget [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► exactly who it was but the tagline for [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► this app is your mobile data Savior and [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► it is not only for the mac it also works [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► on windows and what it basically does is [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► when it detects that you're tethered or [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► on some other sort of low bandwidth [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► connection it will flip into a different [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► mode where it will prevent every app [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► from getting to the internet except the [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► ones you whitelist and it'll also keep [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► track of how much data each of these [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► apps is using and so I have this [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► installed on my laptop because on the [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► rare occasions that i do together [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► I even though i have a crudload of data [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► way more than I would ever use in a [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► month I still want to be sure that i'm [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► not doing something like I don't know if [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► downloading an episode [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► mad men right Marco mm I don't buy any [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► of these excuses because we're so much [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► farther down the road like in the [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► beginning when you know cellular was [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► just coming to iPads and Apple's first [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► making iphone sure but as Mark pointed [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► out they added this so the beginnings [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► api's long time ago [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► it's a problem for Apple to solve for [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► sure but it can be solved like it's all [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► it takes is some new software and you [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► know like it [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► the trip mode thing is a great example [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► like they're not even the OS maker Apple [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► could implement something like that or a [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► new set of api's or make it oftener like [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► this is there problem solved same thing [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► with space in the case same thing with [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► battery life like we have the technology [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► we can rebuild it like this is the thing [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► that we could actually do [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► I'm and you say all but it's so hard [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► it's gonna take a long time yeah but [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► it's been a long time and so it's like [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► have you have you been working on this [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► for three years are you just like well [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► it will always be impossible we should [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► never even try it like because it's just [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► every time it comes up we all say you [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► know not that they all have to have [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► cellular right but one model pick one [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► model to be like the bring this mac [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► everywhere with you and you will be able [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► to get online everywhere and we know [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► most people aren't gonna buy it because [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► who wants to pay for just like people [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► most people don't buy salad or iPads [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► because who wants to pay for another [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► cell connection or whatever added you [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► right but you know surely it has enough [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► utility that if the they were paying [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► more attention to the mac line they [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► would say we can we can sell this this [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► is this is a value add feature people [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► will pay more for it will make the [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► product more attractive would they sell [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► more cellular max percentage wise and I [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► do sell your iPad's probably not we'll [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► probably less than I bet the percentage [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► of selling ipads is super low anyway but [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► they keep making them because for the [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► people who use them they love them [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► imagine if you said you know what I pads [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► are going to have cellular anymore just [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► tell it to your phone [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► people would be pissed because they're [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► used to that feature and it took a lot [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► to get you know the cell phone feature [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► on iPads and i was working with all [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► these different API I don't know I feel [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► like after so many years any excuse you [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► had about how difficult it might be it [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► now changes into an excuse of like I [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► guess you just didn't decide it was [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► important because now enough time has [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► passed that if you had decided it was [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► important to be three years into the [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► transition [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► period and we'd be well on our way for [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► us to it being a thing and when I did [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► that new API thought all this is the [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► beginning like a few more years and you [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► know they'll have this rolled out but i [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► guess they just don't think there's [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► enough of a market for it to justify you [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► know that all the time and expense of [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► changing the API is everything like that [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► and I just just seems like another [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► missed opportunity on the mac or if the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► mac was selling much better and making [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► them much more money or have more growth [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► potential some combination of those they [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► would this would be an obvious thing in [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► the same way that larger iPads and a [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► stylist Rodriguez and iPads but Apple [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► didn't pull the trigger on that for many [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► many years and the ipad apple certain [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► things that has more growth potential [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► than the magnet seem so anyway I'm said [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► this don't know cellular max although i [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► don't expect any at the upcoming apple [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► event which we'll talk about a little [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► later [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► yeah and real-time followed from the [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► chat room from the white box in the chat [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► room and this person reminded me of the [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► photos of the prototype macbook pro with [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► an integrated 3g cellular modem this is [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► for mac rumors and 2011 and it's a [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► really kind of weird-looking it looks [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► like a macbook pro but it has like an [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► extendable intent on the side of the [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► screen will put a link in the show notes [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► you know I i mean i've been using [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► tethering on laptops while traveling for [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► 10 years now literally like I was going [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► through our pictures earlier government [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► i'm doing i'm going to come by tomorrow [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► to kind of give a quick little talk [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► about like the history and I was going [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► through pictures and literally 10 years [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► ago I have a picture of me using a [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► macbook with a cellular modem plugged [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► into the scientifically little USB thing [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► and and before that i was using [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► bluetooth tethering with my old motorola [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► flip phone and you know tethering is [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► awesome on laptops like if you have a [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► laptop you probably want this if you [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► ever use it out and about if you ever [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► use it while traveling or if you work in [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► coffee shops or whatever you know that [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► the dream of ubiquitous Wi-Fi never [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► really came true and everyone thought [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► those cities just be covered and Wi-Fi [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► everywhere there is Wi-Fi and it turns [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► out maybe like 20 maybe 25 places you go [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► to Wi-Fi and it might suck and it might [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► be insecure which is a big problem these [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► days and you know it might be slow might [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► be metered but the dream of this like [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► free ubiquitous everywhere coverage and [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► no security problems and always fast [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► Wi-Fi just never came true [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► there's so many reasons to tether and to [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► use your own cellular connections and as [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► time goes on those reasons just increase [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► as we get more and more mobile laptop to [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► keep getting smaller and even more [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► compelling to bring with you if you're [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► going somewhere you want to get [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► something done on a laptop you know [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► especially like you will you look at the [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► macbook one or the upcoming scarlet [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► macbook pros will talk about soon you [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► know these things keep getting smaller [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► and better and cellular connections keep [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► getting faster and you know that we do [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► have data caps these days but we also [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► have now these pool data plans you can [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► like add another device for twenty bucks [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► a month like back 10 years ago i was [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► paying 60 bucks a month for that cell [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► modem and now you can get them for [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► twenty bucks a month i just added to [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► your existing plan or whatever so like [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► it seems like this would be the time to [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► do that if for some reason that time [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► hasn't come yet might as well do it now [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► right but it just doesn't seem like [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► apple doesn't care and it seems like [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► this is something they they obviously [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► did prototype it [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► they obviously decided not to do it and [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► you know John I think you're right like [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► if they if they wanted to do this on the [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► mac they could the fact is you know the [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► software environment isn't there for it [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► now but yeah they've had 10 years to [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► work on it and they pretty much haven't [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► so that does make me sad and i will keep [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► tethering and I and that I can't just [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► feel like if your sexual weird hacks [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► together because tethering doesn't [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► actually work that well in in practice [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► like it once you plug in its fine but [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► like if you're if you're doing anything [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► besides a USB connection it is always a [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► little bit flaky plus not to mention [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► that drains your phone battery that's [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► like so many reasons not to tether or [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► together over cable only which is clunky [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► so it does make me sad that we probably [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► won't see this for max because I think [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► if they I think they can justify it for [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► the ipad might as well do it for max to [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► well all those prototypes that they made [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► you know the 2011 pictures or whatever [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► like what they learned from those first [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► efforts is all the things we talked [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► about like Oh use a lot of data is our [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► environment not set up for this and and [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► drains our battery morn or whatever and [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► all that does is let you know how much [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► is it what is it going to take to do [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► this and then they they do the [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► calculation this is what it's going to [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► take this is the potential upside and I [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► just keep saying no [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► and you know and again it's like I said [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► if the max old more there was more of an [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► upside if they felt like there was more [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► demand like a million combinations [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► because you could say oh there's more [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► demand they would do it but also if they [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► sold 20 times many max because that [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► would increase the number of cell [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► assuming the demand is proportional [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► right then that would [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► did you know there's just so many [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► factors that are working against them [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► doing it but it the longer time goes on [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► the more kind of stands out to me as a [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► weirdness because eventually you would [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► hope that the battery costs and the size [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► cost of whatever of doing cellular would [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► be there decreasing as a proportion of [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► the overall available [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► you know I mean I guess you can't do [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► that degrees transmitted across that [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► much got to reach the tower and [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► everything but all the other associated [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► how big is the chip you have to put in [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► there how much power is that ship take [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► how much room does it take how much does [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► it cost like all those other factors [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► time should be on your side and [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► eventually it should be like this i mean [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► like when they added the FM radio with [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► the ipod you know what I put the hell [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► throw it in there but you know this man [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► is a software part of it that they're [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► obviously behind them but you know the [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► other thing that can help they're like [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► mark was talking about what if the the [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► cost of cellular connections and data [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► continues to go down and five ten years [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► from now [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► unlimited data connections are standard [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► and you don't pay a lot for them and it [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► costs nothing to add and it's like it [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► just seems like it's got to happen [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► eventually or the mac just go away [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► entirely I'm anyway i miss it and i [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► would buy one [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► I totally don't buy any argument that [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► it's a hardware limitation or that it [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► would be too costly in the hardware [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► because the ipad is it is the biggest [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► counterexample you if you if they can [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► offer it in the ipad since 2010 430 [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► dollar premium then certainly they can [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► offer it in the higher-priced larger and [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► bigger battery macbook pro line like [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► there's no reason why if it's if it's in [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► the iPad you can totally do it in the [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► macbooks I mean stands to reason I don't [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► know enough about the hardware but it [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► certainly stands to reason my head that [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► that's the case [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► pc manufacturers also offer this like [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► this is not it's not like it's not like [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► no one's ever done before like you you [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► can buy a thinkpad with a cell [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► connection it for like also about 10 [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► years think it's like it can be done [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► they just have chosen not to do it and [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► that I think is unfortunately i wish [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► they offered that [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► and I think they could charge to get a [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► good premium for maybe two hundred bucks [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► I easily pay 200 bucks more we'll see I [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► I don't have high hopes for that [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► honestly enough now moving on we got a [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► really interesting reminder from 8-10 [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► showman who wrote in to remind us that [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► in February 2015 it was discovered that [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► the new Photos app contains something [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► called ux kit and we'll put a couple [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► links in the show notes 12 Jason all 6 [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► colors and one to offer to the showbread [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► Simmons blog it appears that it's [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► basically a real implementation of UI [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► kit which is what's used to build apps [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► on the iphone on top of App kit which is [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► what's used to write apps on the mac and [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► it's an interesting thing to think about [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► well you know as as these platforms you [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► know kind of crawl ever closer to one [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► another do we think it maybe this will [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► be a new thing that maybe for example at [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► WTC this year maybe apple released ux [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► kit and make it easier for people like [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► Marco who don't really write mac apps to [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► write an app on the mac by using API [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► that's familiar to him I think we talked [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► about this at the time i think that that [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► time brent supposed also commands like [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► the the consensus then I still think [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► it's the same now which is that when we [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► all saw photos and these other apps that [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► looks so much like their iOS [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► counterparts it stands to reason at all [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► but a lot of people would say oh all [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► they did was pour the iOS applications [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► to the mac and sort of magnified them a [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► little bit and so many things number [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► similar and UX kid is kind of like well [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► we know they had a Photos app on iOS and [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► we know this one [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► visually and structurally is very [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► similar to that and so it stands to [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► reason that if they wanted to make the [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► development of the iphoto replacement [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► faster they could say is there some way [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► that we can reuse if not the code [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► directly then at the very least some of [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► the structure of the application and [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► some of the knowledge or whatever like [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► is there a way that we can take an iOS [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► application and you know even if you're [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► just using the sort of big box diagram [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► how the pieces fit together and what the [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► class names aren't everything I can we [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► do that well you could have this ux good [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► thing which is kind of like a UI kit [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► like wrapper on top of App get so [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► that the mac looks a little bit more [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► like iOS from the perspective of this [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► code you're writing but you would only [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► do it if you are coming from that [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► direction and Brent Simmons uh post is [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► also the skeptical about the idea that [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► this would ever be a thing that they [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► would throw out to developers it's hard [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► to tell because very often Apple does [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► dog food its own [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► ap is first in its own applications in [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► like a year later at wwc like oh here [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► you go and they don't mention that going [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► by the way we've been using this for a [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► year two years in our own applications [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► to sort of work out the kinks but [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► they've done so many other technology [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► but then again there are other things [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► that they use their applications they [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► never offer up like the pro kit [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► framework which they use for aperture [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► back in the day and think final cut pro [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► would like that the weird small dark [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► colored widgets and like those things [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► were all there was a pro kit framework [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► they would if you have those apps [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► installed would occasionally get updates [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► we are very lucky they didn't offer that [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► for anybody else to use well I mean it [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► wasn't like it was the last thing the [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► world needs more pro-kit apps they they [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► didn't just build one happen like oh we [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► had this weird code base into this thing [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► they build multiple apps on it but it [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► never graduated to level of which i [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► assume that was also you know are either [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► wrapper on top of App kit or its own [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► weird thing but it never came out into [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► public so I i still think there is room [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► as it's marketed by the last time for [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► Apple to introduce something that makes [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► it easier for people with uikit either [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► code or expertise or both to make mac [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► apps but I don't know if you excavated [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► kid is it maybe you execute is one [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► attempt at what that might be like and [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► remember the guys icon factory did that [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► chameleon framework which was another [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► sort of thing where yeah it's a real [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► implementation of the UI kpi on top of [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► the mac to help them because they had [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► uikit applications that they wanted to [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► bring to the mac all those things are [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► like that they're kind of technical [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► marvels that they work at all but when [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► you start to suggest the idea that this [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► would be like the one recommended way to [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► make mac apps like Apple would say hey [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► you should use this to make mac apps [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► like I don't think I want to muddy the [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► water thing I want to have a clearer [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► answer and especially with Swift in the [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► mix now i'm not entirely sure the Apple [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► is ready to to come out with something [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► that will help iOS developers a right [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► Mac apps better whether they think it's [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► even again same thing with like [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► investment like yeah they could do it [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► they could do lots of different things [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► here but is it worth the investment they [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► would take a lot of the developers and [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► it would be difficult to do and what [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► would our payoff be so obviously for [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► their own internal applications they [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► decided it was worth it and I'm and so [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► they got us kid and they'll probably use [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► it and if it's not already using [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► multiple places that might be used in [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► other places going forward as a way to [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► make it cheaper for Apple to bring [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► quote-unquote new applications to the [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► mac you're helping them take the you [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► know expertise and maybe some of the [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► code from iOS and bring it over to Matt [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► Capps but i'm not sure they're ready to [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► offer that to the public [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► you know as as you were bringing up [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► chameleon i was about to bring it up [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► myself and so I went and dug up the [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► github page for last commit was May 16 [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► 2014 when it comes to this kind of in a [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► major platform development framework I [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► mean this is like this is long terms of [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► this is these are things that last 10 20 [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► Apple's a very patient company when it [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► comes to things like this so i am with [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► lots of examples very patient honestly [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► but in this kind of scenario like that [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► the transition to Swift I think it's [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► very very important here and also with [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► figure like where's Mac os10 going as we [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► discussed last week you know if they are [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► planning on some like major [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► next-generation Mac operating system [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► that's going to be a major departure [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► from OS 10 as we know it today they'll [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► just wait till they do that be like [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► they're not going to make a new OS 10 [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► framework now they'll just wait until [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► that comes and do it on that same thing [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► like if they're gonna do something major [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► with reconsidering abdur uikit with [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► Swift and and with with more and more [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► swifty model if they're going to be [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► doing that in time in the next 5-10 [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► years they'll wait for that you know [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► they're not gonna do something in the [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► meantime that is like I can't imagine [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► that investing tons of time and effort [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► into a brand-new objective-c and Swift [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► UI framework for the mac today like that [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► I just don't see that at all if if they [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► have to do something more elegant but [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► there if they wanted more elegant but [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► they have to wait five more years to do [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► it they'll just wait let's talk about [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► something that's awesome and celebrate a [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► little bit all right speaking of the mac [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► if you are a Mac Developer and you want [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► to sell outside the mac app store our [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► first sponsor today [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► is def mate definitely let you sell mac [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► apps outside of the mac app store and [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► integrates a whole bunch of services so [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► that you don't so it kind of gives you a [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► lot of the benefits of selling the mac [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► app store is a Mac Developer but without [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► having to actually be in the mac app [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► store so you and I was honestly i was [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► looking at making a little backup not [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► overcast but maybe making a little mac [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► app a little utility thing [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► sorry Casey was looking at it and I [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► honestly I don't want to have to deal [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► with payment processing and I don't have [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► to deal with like building in an auto [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► updater and everything I just want to [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► deal with that stuff [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► there's a reason why the app store is [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► compelling when it works well which [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► might be never [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► but when it looked like the the promise [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► of it is actually you know it it should [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► work and in in theory it does work [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► unfortunately in reality the mac app [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► store doesn't work unfortunately for me [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► to make the decision for whatever its [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► app isn't gonna make because it can't be [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► sandbox so i can put in the mac app [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► store so if i want to release it i have [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► to release outside of mac app store and [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► look at definite honestly because dev [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► mate so it's made by a company called [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► Mac Polly do all they do all sorts of [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► stuff for the mac they've made a [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► powerful tool set that has allowed all [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► of us Mac developers is now to overcome [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► appstore limitations so they can sell [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► you they can sell your software outside [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► of the mac app store that you can [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► deliver updates easily to it with their [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► platform you can protect your ass with [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► license management you can make trial [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► versions you can sell bundles you can [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► even run beta test with automatic crash [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► reporting all these luxuries that you [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► get if you're totally in the appstore [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► ecosystem and you can get in-depth [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► analytics and marketing metrics which is [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► even usually better than what you can [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► get in the app store so def made his [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► class at all the tools and services they [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► use into one pack and they've created [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► this amazing platform for mac developers [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► so you don't have to do any kind of [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► crazy license encoding to make your own [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► like weird serial number scheme or [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► anything like that you can use their [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► tools manage free trials and too many [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► different diverse license types they [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► offer hosting the offer the CDN version [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► management update delivery and an [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► e-commerce solution for in-app purchase [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► all these things all available you can [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► get customer feedback you can view a [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► breakdown if you're paid and trial [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► customers with built-in trial support [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► all this amazing stuff all at devon [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► eight so all you have to do is worry [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► about coding the app itself [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► you leave the rest to detonate so Mac [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► developers check out def made today [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► honestly I intended by the time I check [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► it out if i decide to release happens [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► gonna be the first look honestly [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► anyway thanks for thanks for answering [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► all right you're gonna tell us what the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► APIs I well sure it doesn't matter it's [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► not it's really nothing it's like if you [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► remember a few months ago I posted a [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► little like launch d applescript thing [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► to automatically quit Twitter every 10 [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► minutes [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► it was an active and so if you make a [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► native app you can do that a lot better [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► you can do things like you know instead [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► of just every 10 minutes check if it's [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► active and if not quit you can monitor [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► the active window in real-time and so [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► you can quit like ten minutes after I [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► last used it and you can do and what you [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► can do things like only quit if it's [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► hidden and stuff like that you can you [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► can do like a more advanced version of [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► this more easily so I have a little [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► prototype of that running and right now [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► it's literally like this giant black [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► square in my menu bar so that it was [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► gonna if I want to actually you know [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► make it releasable there's gonna be some [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► work involved but it does work and it's [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► very it's really nice actually it's [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► really nice that i found that this has [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► dramatically reduced my Twitter usage [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► and as measured by rescue time and so [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► I'm actually very happy with the [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► disapprobation it has turned Twitter [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► into something that is always open on my [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► mac like male you know like it's his [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► turn from its always open to something [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► that is inherently incredibly unreliable [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► it just it seems like to me like a [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► crashes every 10 minutes [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► she's really happy that it actually [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► created your own your own chaos monkey [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► on your Mac yes but only targets one or [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► two perhaps it's great that it's great [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► because like I it turns it into [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► something that I have to like actively [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► go and and activate rather than some [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► it's always there in the corner ready [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► for me to be distracted by you know so [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► it actually this approach actually does [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► work really well for me I don't know if [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► it'll work for anybody else I don't have [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► anybody else cares but it was worth [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► making the mac version just to make it [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► better so it's no longer these weird [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► launched a script that I can't turn off [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► easily or you can adjust easily so yeah [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► so far I'm liking it so i might release [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► I don't even know how to charge money i [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► have no idea but I figured this could be [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► this could be like a nice way for me to [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► learn a little more about make [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► mac software and and the market for mac [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► software and just kind of dip my toe and [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► get like a little tutorial on it [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► excellent you pay five bucks for this [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► thing I wouldn't buy it now [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► ok I can slide obligation to quit that's [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► from out from under you know thank ya [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► I don't even like a sudden termination [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► or whatever the api's they added that [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► like when you have no open documents [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► they kill the application don't even [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► like that i haven't even noticed that [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► ever hitting me honestly maybe I just [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► don't use apps that do it if you text [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► edit it happens like close all the [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► windows and text and switch to some [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► other app and then you look back at the [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► dock and you're like I'll put that dot [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► go underneath text output is gonna get [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► who would who would use the text anymore [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► i find myself using still occasionally [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► it has the eyes the user for as my poor [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► man's outliner like if you do option tab [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► you know that whole thing [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► don't you have like oatmeal it like a [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► better talent baby and you like a better [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► texture person [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► yeah but that's not for outlining like [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► outline and we like having you having [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► invented levels and have being able to [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► just keep typing and have it soft [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► wrapped the indented lovely you know [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► like used to hit me happy but now i want [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► our unit like you're right long [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► paragraphs and they stay at the level of [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► the like you're not hard wrapping it [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► right you just typing and typing and [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► typing and it is rapping in a paragraph [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► that paragraph is indented just like the [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► bullet point you put it on use the test [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► paper i don't know that it's not that [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► it's my it's a I think it's just gross [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► doing the guy who makes the folding text [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► i think because I think that's him now [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► anyway that's I text that is what i use [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► for my podcast notes when i'm on podcast [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► other than this one like was just notes [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► for me as opposed to all three of us [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► sharing a document [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► yeah and I don't know you double-click [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► documents that owns that txt and i [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► haven't gone and change the the bindings [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► for all that stuff so it i find myself [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► watching it and then if I want to keep [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► it open i gotta remember to keep on [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► document really like the holidays gonna [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► supposed to care that it's open attacks [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► a larger so fast i really don't care but [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► I do notice it quitting itself pretty [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► does the same thing which annoys me more [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► about to do you preview Marduk the [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► images and stuff apparently literally [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► task paper 3 was released today it could [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► definitely have another i've been [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► testing it for awhile i really like it i [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► studied it was released [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► yeah I test paper a lot i'll put a link [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► in the show notes sometimes right so uh [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► speaking of releasing things [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► overcast too [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► and five tell us all the things about a [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► marker about Jesus I really have to [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► yes I i did a 2.5 update the list of [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► features of which was Ted was typing [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► test paper the whole time as have been [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► using my to-do list for all of my [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► absence [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► instapaper one point maybe or at least [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► early versions of instapaper anyway so [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► yeah so 2.5 is is basically what it [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► sounds like it's like a half major [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► release if that makes sense like there [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► there it's not like it still looks about [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► the same for the most part there's not a [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► whole lot of new headlining features but [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► as a whole that there are few and as a [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► whole bunch of big improvements of [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► everywhere basically like so it's kinda [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► originally was calling a 2.1 look at [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► adding more stuff like you know what [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► this feels like 2.5 so i'll call 2.5 and [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► it's about six months from to point out [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► that kind of made sense with a roughly [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► annual release cycle for the big stuff [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► so the the big things are if you are a [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► patron so if you pay me a dollar-a-month [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► basically then you get a new dark theme [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► and you get the ability to have file [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► uploads so you can you can upload [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► something that's not a real podcast or [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► not it's not a public podcast like an [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► audiobook or if you're a producer [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► podcast like a draft of some of one [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► episode you're working on you can upload [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► that into overcast and play it in your [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► players and it is it doesn't become [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► public for everybody play just it just [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► plays for you and this is actually a [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► feature I built this in version one [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► point I had this right at the beginning [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► and it was only enabled for my account [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► for all this time and i would use it to [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► play download episodes of howard stern I [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► mean personally recorded episodes of [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► howard stern home Howard Stern [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► recordings and so I use it all the time [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► but I didn't want to launch it because I [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► believe that these files are hosted on [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► s3 and so I'm like I don't you know I [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► don't really want to sign up for [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► somebody paying me five bucks once and [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► then me hosting like two gigs of s3 [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► files for them for the next three years [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► that would be hard to sustain [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► economically and so I i figure you know [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► let me let me wait until I have some [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► kind of recurring revenue in place or if [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► it appears as though the app is doing so [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► incredibly well with the and purchase [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► upfront that I can make that i can live [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► forever body that maybe i'll try it [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► later but anyway whatever i push it off [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► till later [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► that was in mid-2014 hey and I kind of [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► just forgot about me people have been [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► requesting this feature for a while but [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► there were always features that were [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► requested more that I had to do you know [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► that were more important to do things [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► like streaming stuff like that so there [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► was always kind of stuff ahead of it in [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► the to-do list and i finally got around [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► to doing it and it's really just named [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► it was just like polishing up the [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► feature i already had like making it [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► look a little bit nicer styling the [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► website slightly around around the [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► uploader instead of just be like an [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► unformatted progress bar and everything [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► and the technical side of its really [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► pretty straightforward I i actually if [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► you look at this if you view source on [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► the upload page i actually am uploading [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► the files directly to s3 and the app [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► download it directly from s3 so the [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► files never pass through overcast [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► servers which you helped me save on [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► costs and also helps them arrive faster [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► you don't have to wait for a double [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► upload like for my server and uploaded [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► to a story you got away from that I'm so [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► it's both a nice cost savings for me and [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► also speed speed improvement for you we [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► are technical cool thing that most [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► people don't even know that you can [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► generate a form to securely upload a [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► file to a story but you can then the [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► dark mode which is also for patrons only [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► I got a little bit of pushback on this [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► actually and i'd say probably heard [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► about a hundred people there's no it's a [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► little country i'm curious what you guys [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► think it's a little controversial [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► because so when I had version 11.10 in [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► the brand from from mid-2014 mid-2015 [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► version was a free app with a [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► five-dollar in-app purchase to quote [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► unlock everything and what I meant was [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► unlike all the features i have right now [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► like just unlock everything and then [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► into point last october i switch to a a [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► full payment model where everything was [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► free and you could pay if you wanted to [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► look for nothing like you just you get [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► nothing for and i said like i might add [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► features in the future patrons that I [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► can't have everybody for cost reasons [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► whatever and I was actually thinking [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► about the upload feature when I wrote [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► so now when I wanted to add this new [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► file upload and dark mode there i [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► decided to make but now file uploads are [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► easy to make paper only because you can [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► say well that's that costs money for [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► everyone who uses it but there is a [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► debate here among people who bother me [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► on Twitter people through flick they're [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► literally argument [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► each other like I'm not even involved in [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► the argument that people like my people [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► are arguing in my mentions with each [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► other about whether this should be a [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► problem or not whether people who bought [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► who bought the one point X unlock [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► everything thing in 2014 whether they [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► should have the dark mode as well and [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► what do you guys think about that but i [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► figured the reason why i thought it [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► would be okay this way [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► the reason i made everything free with [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► to point out and and decided to go to [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► page for nothing for a while was i I was [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► tired of the basic version of the app [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► having like intrusive limitations that [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► would make it sucks like a limit on like [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► it would only show top five entries in a [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► playlist and you couldn't adjust the [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► speed or you can only do it for a few [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► minutes at a time and everything's there [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► there were these like these limitations [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► in the app that were actively trying to [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► make the appt worse so that you would [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► hit them and then you'd be encouraged to [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► pay the money to unlock everything and [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► so I decided that it would make most [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► sense for if I was gonna do anything [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► special for patrons and first of all I [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► should preface this with pastries wasn't [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► going that well honestly like it was [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► going well enough to sustain the basic [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► cost of the app but it wasn't doing well [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► enough for me to really want to justify [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► putting tons of time into it it was [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► doing ok but needed I needed to do [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► better than what the hell was doing [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► otherwise I'm gonna have to move back to [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► some other model like you know whether [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► it's paid upfront or another and [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► purchase whatever so patrons as it was [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► going was not going well enough so i had [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► to change something so i decided let me [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► let me give people some motivation to [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► pay but I didn't want to make the appt [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► sock for everyone else so i decided to [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► dark mode was I decide was interesting [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► to make patron only because it's [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► something that doesn't really if you [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► don't have it it doesn't affect you at [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► all really like it doesn't the the [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► absence of this feature does not make [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► the appt worse for everyone who doesn't [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► have it [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► it's not like some kind of limit that [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► you hit where it makes it worse so I [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► figured it would be a nice perk to give [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► patrons something that like it kind of [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► feels like a / kind of feels like a [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► special extra you know because it isn't [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► really like a substantial functional [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► feature in the app it's just like a [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► theme it's it's how it looks and so you [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► make a cool dark mode and look [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► school and everyone likes dark mode and [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► Alec so it it looks cool i think it [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► looks nice and it's something new and [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► different kind of exclusive because its [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► patrons only [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► so I've I thought that was all fine but [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► i have now heard from yet probably a [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► hundred people who think differently [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► when he does think it seems like well so [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► for the patron thing if someone pays and [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► they get the dark theme [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► what does does a Darkling go away if [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► they stop paying yes so that I think [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► that's the the place where it doesn't [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► seem like it fits because it seems more [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► like an app purchase basically like if [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► you did it is in app purchase it would [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► be like if you don't want dark theme [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► before 2.5 came out you didn't have dark [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► them anyway you don't even know dark [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► theme existed you were fine using [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► overcast before now all the sudden 2.5 [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► comes out and you see the shiny dark [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► theme that you want but you don't want [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► to pay for it because you just want to [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► get a free [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► well you know if you do this thing that [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► you like how about you give me some [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► money and I'll give you the dark theme [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► but i think that most people's minds [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► darkened doesn't seem like a thing that [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► you should have to keep paying for they [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► don't know for for whatever reason it [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► seems like like like buying a [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► downloadable content in the game you [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► know you by to get the fancy half of [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► your character you get the fancy hat you [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► don't have to keep paying every year to [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► keep your fancy hat i think it feels [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► more like a one-time in-app purchase and [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► yeah i think it's a perfect kind of [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► in-app purchase of the purpose kind of [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► monetary frill because like i said the [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► people people may be upset about about [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► you know you're using 1.1 2.1 didn't [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► have any dark theme right and you were [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► before 2.5 that you were fine with it [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► but then suddenly when you know there's [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► a dark theme and now you have to pay [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► money to get it all I want to get it [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► going to get it for free [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► muscle if you don't think it's worth the [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► money don't pay for it right and if you [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► if you suddenly don't want to use the [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► application like well then just go back [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► in time and pretend to one part was [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► never released and then use whatever [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► calculus you're using before to make you [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► pay for [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► we're just holding on waiting for a [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► Darkling anyway I things I don't it look [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► like it seems like a recurring thing [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► trying to bundle it all under the [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► Patriot thing when you only really got [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► two things at this point for the the [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► patrons you've got the the uploads which [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► would like that makes total sense like [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► you are you're costing money therefore [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► you must give money on a regular basis [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► because you're storing files on the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► internet right well it is it doesn't [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► make total sense to everybody [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► an angry at least half of them are [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► demanding that too but that's that's [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► that would be easy for me to say I can't [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► do that for everybody sorry i'm not [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► going to do that you know that makes [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► sense right now that's a you know like [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► it doesn't this is a money-losing [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► proposition areas [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► shit i will pay for storage and amazon [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► s3 for you and you give me nothing that [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► doesn't you know anyway I think that [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► makes more sense and if you had like 17 [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► features the patrons got and one of them [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► happens to be the model dark theme i [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► think that would make sense to visit the [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► patron is like the different the [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► different class of people like oh I pay [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► a little bit extra zap that you can get [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► a use for free and does everything you [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► want to do but i paid a little bit extra [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► for this one feature that has an ongoing [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► recurring costs because i'm storing it's [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► on the internet and other features just [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► a little park and in the end it doesn't [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► really matter like all these logical [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► arguments what should or shouldn't be [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► all that matters is do people find there [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► are people willing to pay for I mean [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► you'll find that with the sales number [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► if have you made an offering that is [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► attractive enough for people to part [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► ways with their money on a regular basis [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► to get them you'll find out but if if we [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► had to try to like break it down i think [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► that's the difference between the two [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► things that you've offered that uh that [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► one just doesn't seem like a recurring [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► feature a lot of people but look for [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► other people they're gonna pay for the [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► file uploads anyway and for them [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► darkness just like a park oh and great i [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► get dark mode to they don't feel like [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► they're paying X amount every month or [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► year for dark mode they feel like [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► they're paying for file uploads and [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► getting dark matter is a park so i think [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► that the sales numbers will bear it out [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► and if people are having arguments about [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► it's clear there are disagreements about [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► what is worth spending this money on or [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► not so i don't i think it's perfectly [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► valid experiment and i fully expect in [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► six months or a year from now are you [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► try more experiments because that's just [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► the way it goes [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► Casey what do you think i think that i [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► didn't blink an eye over dark mode or [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► file uploads being a patron only [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► exclusive I think having her John's [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► thoughts on it [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► I tend to agree with him that dark mode [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► seems like maybe it should have been in [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► app purchase a separate from the [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► patronage but then that gets into a [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► whole new weekly discussion about well [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► do you really want to have patronage and [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► in-app purchases concurrently and answer [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► is no I really don't [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► like there's so many reasons why don't [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► want to do that then I would say either [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► you give dark mode out of the goodness [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► of your heart and then potentially have [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► some financial implications thereof [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► which I don't think it's a terribly good [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► option or you deal with people being [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► grumpy i do understand what John saying [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► i'm mostly agree with him that you know [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► it feels like the sort of thing that you [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► should just pay for once and that's that [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► but on the other side of the coin I mean [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► you need to be able to eat and I would [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► say that most of the people or i would [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► think that most of the people that [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► download this app have enough of an [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► understanding of kind of how the app [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► store economy works not necessarily to [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► the level of those who was in the show [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► but just a general understanding that [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► hey the people who wrote this app or [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► person that wrote this app needs to be [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► able to eat and so I need to be able to [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► pay that person and so I don't I don't [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► find it troubling for either to be in [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► the patrons model at all really [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► but it's easy for me to say because you [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► know I'm obviously gonna support you [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► regardless because you're a close friend [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► of mine I I definitely don't see a [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► problem with the file uploads being and [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► patronage at all at all at all because [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► as John is set as the edges you've said [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► you need to be able to recoup that money [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► somehow the way look at the patrons [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► model really is that i have i have i'm [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► trying to find a way to be both both the [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► cheapest and most expensive Pakistan the [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► store so I'm trying to find a way where [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► this could be free for almost everybody [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► you know and for you know free up front [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► if anybody wants to try they can try for [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► free because as I said you know on [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► numerous other occasions [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► one of my goals of this app is to get a [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► lot of users to kind of help me defend [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► the openness of podcasting with [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► diversity of clients so it is very [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► important for me to the app state free [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► upfront and so the question is like how [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► do I where do I get the money you know [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► and i can do like add somehow but i [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► don't really want to I thought it was [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► like wait could do it tastefully I've [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► still would rather not do that if I [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► don't have to [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► so you know we'll see what happens there [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► hopefully I won't need to do that but i [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► might to me I I see this really as [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► update pricing or upgrade pricing like [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► kind of be [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► din so like if I if I didn't do this i [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► would have to do some kind of upgrade [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► pricing model so i would have to then [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► you know hold back features for longer [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► and make these bigger like I probably [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► wouldn't release 2.5 right now probably [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► would have done [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► wait a few more months and a big [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► three-point update in you know in the [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► summer or something and then charged a [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► whole separate purchase like how to be [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► are you know what you're one point X [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► your-your-your 1x into point X purchases [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► don't count for anything now [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► now you know brand new purchase for the [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► three-point Oh premium features and [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► that's that's also sucks for in a lot of [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► different ways like and I think that [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► would anger people more so the question [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► is I i want to get somehow I want to get [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► some kind of recurring revenue and I [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► think the software industry had kind of [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► bear that out now of seeing like you [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► know before and after be sustainable it [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► needs something like that you know it [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► doesn't necessarily need to be done in [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► one particular way but somehow you need [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► recurring revenue to come in [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► you know like with instapaper I didn't [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► have that for a long time instapaper it [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► was just five bucks up front and I was [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► it and that worked for a long time [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► because the growth was so good with [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► overcast the girl isn't that good it's [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► it grows but it's not growing at the [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► kind of rate that instapaper was just [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► because you know it's paper had a really [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► great growth curve it was really early [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► in the app store it had you know it was [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► you know the right place at the right [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► time basically and I think that was a [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► wider audience where is now with [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► overcast like the built-in podcast app [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► is so popular and even though it's [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► fairly mediocre it's it's popular enough [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► that you know it's hard for people to [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► make a dent in that so I need some way [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► to I can't rely on just growth for [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► revenue purposes i have to rely on some [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► kind of recurring revenue so in the app [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► store my options are cell like you know [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► coins and bs like something but you know [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► some kind of like consumable literally [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► beyond the call of some kind of [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► consumable and purchase i don't think [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► that necessarily fit in a podcast client [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► i don't see I don't see how that fits in [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► a way that doesn't just piss people off [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► so that that's option number one not a [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► very good option option number two would [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► be what I mentioned kind of like the [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► upgrade pricing kind of straightforward [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► way to do it which is either make a [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► whole separate app [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► every year and had to be paid upfront [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► maybe or have it be you know free with a [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► purchase to unlock about at one point [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► out then I have a whole new app every [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► year and that has so many problems like [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► people getting really angry with a [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► bought it right before you updated it [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► and you have to like again you're kinda [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► match your your major updates together [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► and like you know hold back features for [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► like six months waiting for the big [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► update and everything and that sucks too [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► or you or you do what I'm doing now [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► which is like some kind of subscription [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► some kind of recurring payment for [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► something that's the way I'm doing it [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► now as you know I started out you're [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► paying for nothing now you're paying for [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► almost nothing except you know these two [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► for these two features are kind of [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► paying for I think it's a pretty good [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► happy medium where I'm basically [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► charging you twelve dollars a year if [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► you want the full experience but most [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► people want and that's fine so far my [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► subscription counts are up by some big [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► percentage i think like thirty percent [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► in like two days [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► I mean it's it they they had a big jump [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► and we'll see what happens if they if [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► they keep going up as more people get [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► the update or try the update i'm not [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► really promoting the update like when [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► you launch it after the update it [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► doesn't pop up box saying hey here's [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► what's new [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► just nothing happens like so you have to [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► let go to the second screen to even [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► notice necessarily because it's been [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► updated so this could be like a slow [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► growth over time but it does seem so far [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► as though this this one change of like [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► giving you something that you kind of [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► want for 12 bucks a year [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► it does feel like that one change will [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► be enough to push a lot more people into [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► subscribing and that will probably make [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► the difference between being able to [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► keep this model long-term or not because [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► if I didn't do this as i said earlier if [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► I didn't add something compelling for [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► patrons and uploads aren't compelling [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► enough because most people don't need [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► that feature some people really like it [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► but most people don't need it was dark [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► mode that that could appeal to any user [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► you know it doesn't necessarily not [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► everybody cares that much but that it [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► will appeal to lots of people [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► so if I didn't make a change like that [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► where something you get something that I [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► thought that was really nice but that [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► didn't make the appt superbad everyone [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► didn't have it then I wouldn't be able [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► to continue this model so hey will you [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► know we'll see what happens [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► John will be right i will probably [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► changes in six months but you know what [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► I'm hoping not to have to because if I [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► can keep this if this ends up the ends [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► up working and being like a great model [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► for overcast long-term then I don't need [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► to like save up features four major [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► releases anymore i can release features [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► whenever they're ready [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► that is so much better for me it's [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► better for users [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► it's it is just so much better to do [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► things that way and I don't have to deal [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► with all this crazy like constantly [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► changing purchase stuff to manage and [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► it's easier for the users there's no [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► issue of like if you if you buy the day [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► before I have like a major new update [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► then you feel like a jerk for father day [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► before I there there's so many issues [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► this avoids and barring the absence of [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► some kind of new app store monetization [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► method where you know if Apple would [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► offer some kind of easier paid upgrade [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► system or something like that might [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► change her mind but barring anything [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► like that which I don't foresee this is [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► probably really great model as long as [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► it works that's a big question but we'll [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► see [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► you're gonna have to come up with new [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► hats so now like the Dark Matters your [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► hat dark one is that you know that the [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► games learned that the thing that you [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► can make people pay for actually the [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► things that are meaningless in the scope [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► of the game but give your character [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► funny hat or whatever you know like some [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► some cosmetic item that is desirable all [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► out of proportion to the actual value [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► because the number of people who [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► legitimately need dark mode because the [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► white screen is to blinding and they [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► like to use a mountain that car or [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► whatever like this everyone's got an [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► excuse why they have they need two dark [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► motor they can turn their screen down or [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► whatever right but bottom line is people [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► want doctor because it looks nice [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► those are the perfect kind of usually [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► you know in-app purchase types things i [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► would love to know how many people [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► signed up for patronizing 2.5 because of [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► one of the two new features which one [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► was it like what they had to weigh them [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► like was set like many people just [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► signing up just because they want to [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► fund the app and have it be developed a [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► ball blood that sort of high-minded [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► ideal but other people like oh there's [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► there's two new features file uploads [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► and dark mode which ones were they [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► really wanted to get did they like them [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► both equally or they going mostly for [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► dark mode and I i would think most of [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► them were going for dark not even though [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► that is like the the less valuable [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► practically speaking in terms of doesn't [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► actually add any features just makes the [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► app look different so that ends up [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► working next year you'll need something [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► else [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► of similar value for the people who paid [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► for dark mode right to maybe they don't [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► want to keep paying because they're [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► bored with dark mode what new hats you [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► have to give them for your podcast [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► application how about a podcast [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► application construction kit like the [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► calculator constructed ya wanna get to [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► design your own application pick the [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► Pontifical anyway I'm sure you come [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► something what I'm hoping is though as [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► you go through these features you're [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► saying like before you had these other [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► features that are more important than [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► file uploads but eventually you did [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► those and so you got to follow uploads [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► when you have to how far down list is my [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► pet feature where whenever I add [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► something to overcast I wanted to be [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► added to the one playlist I use all the [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► time I hate and adding it to overcast [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► and realizing i didn't really added [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► overcast I headed to a place where I'm [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► never ever going to see it because I [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► spent all my time and it's one playlist [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► and its 7,000 taps to pull things from [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► not in the play this to be into the [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► playlist when I like individual episodes [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► like if someone tweets out this was a [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► good podcast episode of a podcast that [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► you probably don't want to subscribe to [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► but just download this episode and [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► before it was like oh well now I got to [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► subscribe and find the episode and then [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► added to my playlist but now with [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► uploads i can just download the mp3 and [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► uploaded but i still have to go into my [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► clothes I would love it if everything [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► had overcast always went into the [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► playlist of my choice and I realized [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► that super low priority feature but in [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► theory [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► eventually you'll get to it that that is [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► exactly how overcast works for me [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► because it's because my my like [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► everything playlist is default inclusive [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► yours is a whitelist based so right is [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► that dude lesson we talked about this [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► but yeah but that's what i want this is [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► why I wanted to be whitelisted better [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► things there are things on the outside [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► their large volume things that I don't [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► want cluttering up my it seems like it [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► seems like a simple for anyway [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► eventually you'll be scraping the bottom [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► of the barrel the features and you get [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► to mine eventually just it's just one [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► help menu when adding is overcast where [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► should they be added by default i don't [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► want a million options like what [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► priority represent to the bottom I don't [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► care for the top whatever pick one [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► no well anyway maybe somebody'll have to [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► go ad supported but if I did I would [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► totally have mail route as a sponsor one [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► response to this week on the show is [TS]

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00:50:58 ◼   ► it's all they do they do email spam [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► virus filtering and they do an amazing [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► job at it [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► I've used it myself for I don't know six [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► months a year a while now and it is [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► shocking how little spam I get now and [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► how few legitimate messages are caught [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► in the spam filter [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► it's really quite good male writers [TS]

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00:51:20 ◼   ► if you are in the corporate world [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► there's all these products that like [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► filter email for you and there's things [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► like postini a mental MX logic these [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► things that i've been discontinued it [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► this whole industry in the corporate [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► world is full of these like ghosts are [TS]

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00:51:36 ◼   ► kind of stranded mail route is here [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► they've been here for a long time they [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► are here to stay [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► this is all they do to do spam and virus [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► filters knows there's no hardware to buy [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► this is a cloud service so what you do [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► is you point your domain name at mail [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► route and then you to view point mail [TS]

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00:52:00 ◼   ► you don't have to deal with all those [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► like hardware filtering gateway things [TS]

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00:52:06 ◼   ► for you because you don't have your [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► servers processing all the span [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► themselves so big companies might be [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► able to go from like 10 email servers [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► down a two or something it's it's crazy [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► how much span you the process and once [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► you get rid of it like your email [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► service in there doing nothing [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► if your individual like me then it's [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► also really great because you know i [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► don't mind service i use fast as my host [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► but this gives the world-class spam and [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► virus filtering to any I'm a post so if [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► you if you have your own host like I do [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► your own domain name you can again point [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► the domain and mail route point now back [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► to you and then all of your spam just [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► goes away and there's lots of cool tools [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► to help manage this they'll send you an [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► email digest of like things that were [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► caught in the spam filter that they [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► think might not be spammed kind of need [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► a threshold you can with one click you [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► can whitelist anything I come through [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► and have to be redelivered if they got [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► anything wrong although they usually [TS]

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00:53:06 ◼   ► cellular modems it's really very very [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► long time the interface has tons of [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► admin tools if your corporate person if [TS]

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