30: To America and Back 
   
   
 
 
 
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     From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 30. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Today's very special episode is brought to you by our friends over at Hover, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     SaneBox, where you can clean up your inbox and spend less time on your email, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and Swift Summit, a two-day conference on the state of Swift, right here in London, England. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined, as always, by the one and only Mr. Steven Hackett. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hey Myke, how are you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I am very well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And a man who has just returned from jet-setting around the globe, three time zones, three 
     
     
  
 
 
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     countries, 48 hours, Mr. Federico Vittucci. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hey guys, I feel like I don't know which language I'm supposed to speak anymore. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Everywhere that you went, they speak English. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So just, if you go with that, you'll be fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that's true. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Stick with English. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I actually, when I was back in Rome last night, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for a moment, like I went to grab dinner 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with a friend who picked me up at the airport. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And for a second, I was about to say thank you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to the lady at the restaurant. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then I realized I was in Italy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I switched to Italian. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was super weird. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I was in my, okay, I'm in a shop, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so I need to say, you know, I need to talk in English mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I didn't realize that I was in Italy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've been feeling off all day. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anyway, hi Myke and Steve. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - Hey buddy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So we have a real huge show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and we have a chunky amount of follow up to get through. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - We do, sorry about that. - And also topic 0.5 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and 0.5.1, so we should probably get started. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So we'll just open to follow up. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     First up we have part three, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the final chapter of the connected comic book strip which we've covered parts one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and two maybe we can put all three in the show notes and the we're not gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spoil the ending here but I for one was very satisfied with the way that our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     story ended yeah this I didn't see it going that way and I the third part is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my favorite part there's yeah I really there was one bit that I really really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     liked. Oh, when it finishes the training, when we finish the training, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico's like, "I don't understand what we've accomplished." I think I was, when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I read that, I just laughed out loud. I really liked that. That sentence really sums up the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     entire Connected podcast experience for us. We've done something but we don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know what it was. It's good, it's good. There's a couple 
     
     
  
 
 
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     surprise guests. The bad guy, there's a bad guy. It's all it's all really really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     great. Myke if someone wanted to see this where could they go about finding it? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You can find our show notes over at relay.fm/connected/30 
     
     
  
 
 
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     30? Mm-hmm. The show is now older than me, finally. No, that's a lie. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh man, so up next we have some artwork by listener Michael who wrote, emailed us in, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who did some artwork based on Federico's fitness and health article which is really cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's got a phone and it's got apps flying into it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really pretty awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really nice, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah it's super cool. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Federico has committed to getting this as a tattoo across his chest so I will follow 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yes, yesterday. You're tired, it's hard to remember what's happened or not. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Don't try to make this an excuse for everything. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Up next, some iPhone 6 Plus follow-up and it's more some questions for us. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Three questions. The first one from Robert is, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Robert says, "I'm having lots of issues hitting the RAM limit on the 6 Plus. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Have you guys seen this?" So, a little background, the 6 and 6 Plus have the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the same amount of RAM which is a gigabyte but the 6 plus has many more pixels and much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more display to drive and I've in my time with the 6 plus I have noticed some audio 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tearing so if I'm listening to a podcast listening to music I'm if I go to switch apps or if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I like reload a Safari tab or something I'll get a little glitch in the audio and I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know if that's RAM or not my iPhone 6 doesn't do that what about the two of you guys have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Have you guys seen anything with this sort of problem? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, not the audio glitch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - No, I haven't had that either. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Just the usual memory problem with the apps refreshing, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but not the audio one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, so that might've just been the unit I had, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but yeah, the apps flushing out of memory 
     
     
  
 
 
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     definitely noticed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I think the saying will do much better 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if Apple upgrades the RAM, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which the rumor is that the next batch of phones 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will be two gigs of RAM to match the iPad Air 2. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that will be a good addition to the iPhone line. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One thing I do see like apps that data refreshes sometimes quite aggressively 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so like for example I've had this problem and it's my I don't know if this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is a 6+ but sometimes sometimes I leave like I go I'm playing Altos adventure 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I like open another app and go back and the whole level is restarted and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sometimes sometimes that doesn't happen but I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah I think that's the app getting flushed out but I'm not I'm not super 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sure someone in the chat room if Apple doesn't give the next iPhone 8 gigs of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     RAM it's doomed. Yeah that's true. Good luck. So Andy writes in, Andy asks if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're using the 6 Plus in workouts he says he uses the 6 in an armband and it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     works really well the 6 Plus seems like it would be bulky strapped to your arm. I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I agree that it probably would be. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Probably. Well it depends on your arm. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke you swim mostly so I guess you haven't taken your 6 Plus swimming. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'd put it in my Speedos, not a problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm just gonna carry right on from that. Nathan asks or says after several months 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of having the 6 I found that I wasn't using my iPad Mini as much and he ended 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up going to a 6+ plus his MacBook so it kind of collapsed his iPad and phone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     usage into one device. I know Myke that's what's happened to you more or less. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't use it at all, I never use my mini. Didn't you just buy a new iPad again? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's... it's complicated. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We moving on from that question? No, I did buy an iPad Air 2 but it's... it was more about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     replacing the iPad that my kids use for like school stuff because it was an iPad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mini 1 and running like educational like a lot of those or media heavy apps and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I was watching my daughter try to like draw a letter on it and it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stuttering and like falling up falling down and so I gave them my iPad Mini 2 and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I bought an iPad Air 2 which is super awesome and fast. I think my comment when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Stephen told me this was like what I find really interesting is Federico is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the iPad guy but Steven has owned and bought more iPads than Federico. I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every couple of weeks you're changing your iPad. It's just been it's just been 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the Mini 2 didn't last very long that's all. Hey you should be proud of me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I did not buy an iPhone 6 Plus even though I really wanted to. You talked to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me into waiting until the fall to go. Yeah I did. So you've given yours back now? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yes it is no longer my position I'm back just on the 6 and it feels tiny and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     terrible and small but what can you do? Federico how did you find traveling with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the 6+? It was amazing, it was awesome especially because the battery lasts so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     much. Yeah. Like it was it actually saved me because when I was at the airport and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I couldn't charge my phone I still had like 20% left that was really convenient 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and it was like when I hand when I handed the iPhone to at the airport to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the checking, for scanning the boarding pass, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I noticed that a lot of people were extremely careful 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with holding the 6 Plus. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And actually one person at the gate said like, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     "Oh, this is the big one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not used to the big one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I gotta be extremely careful with this one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I'm used to the smaller ones." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But yeah, it worked fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the battery was great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was my, like, something that I really noticed. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And for all the other stuff, I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my comments from the past episodes are still the same. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, definitely the battery life is-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have noticed, coming back to the 6, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that the battery life is-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I miss those extra hours, for sure. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So yeah, so do we have any-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico, do you have any closing thoughts on the 6+ 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more than what we've covered in the past, or-- 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, I still have a couple of weeks left to try it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I think I'll save the final thoughts for the end. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's still an ongoing trial and experiment. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm really liking the battery life in the camera. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And of course, the screen, because it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lets me see more at once. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it hasn't impacted my usage of the iPad, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is interesting, I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want to make these considerations at the end. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's more than fair. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I said, I think I will be going to the bigger phone in the fall. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke was right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke was right. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     That's 2015. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's the year of Myke being right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Last year was the year of Luigi. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also Myke being wrong. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This year is the right time for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like that. We're gonna get to the Apple Watch but we have some follow-up for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple Watch first. We had last week some price guessing and we said that we were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to apply the prices right rules to this which... Who won? Well so that's what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're gonna do. Basically the price is right rules are you cannot go over so so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to back up we guessed the starting price for Apple Watch and Apple Watch Edition 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and if you go over you're disqualified you want to be under but as close as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     possible so for instance if the answer was $100 and I said 101 and Myke said 
     
     
  
 
 
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     $1 Myke would win which is a little crazy. These rules make no sense I wish I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wouldn't have claimed Price is Right rules on this. Well so the chat room just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     provided us the Price is White Wikipedia entry or Price is White wiki, the rules to this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So let's do the Apple Watch first. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So Federico you said it would be $699 to start on the stainless steel. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Michael I believe you said $599 and I came in at the highest at $799 and if we were a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     game show this is where we would have some music but Myke where does the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where does the Apple watch pricing start? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Store.apple.com 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm doing the same thing I was hoping someone else was there. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Store, I'm pressing the store button and now I'm pressing the watch button and now I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pressing view models and pricing what are we looking at here like with sport band? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yes so the Apple Watch starts at $549 yeah we were all higher than that okay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well that's the 38 millimeter the 42 is $599 so we'll give it to you we'll give it to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke yes we'll give it to Myke which is fine because you lose the next one okay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple Watch Edition Federico you said $8,000 to start I said $6,999 
     
     
  
 
 
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     start and Myke Hurley went insane and said $15,000 to start. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What did you say $15,000 to start? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I wanted to get it in case it was above... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     See, I didn't understand the rules, otherwise I would have said $10,000. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's fine. So, Michael, where does the iPhone Watch... or iPhone... Apple Watch Edition... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The iPhone Watch Edition starts at $10,000. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So that would make SeƱor Vitechy the winner. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so yeah uh so we have the gold yes so yes so federico wins a apple watch edition 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and mike wins a sports do i uh no you don't we can't afford that yeah i wonder i wonder 17 000 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one yeah it's uh you're gonna have to find a different 38 millimeter 18 carat rose gold case 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with rose gray modern buckle okay i'll get right on that for you buddy i'll just put that in my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     my budget for next month. Thank you. So we also spoke about the Pebble having a port for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     smart bands and there's been a lot of back and forth on this. Our buddy and really friend 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the world Matthew Panzorino at TechCrunch has an article saying that the Apple Watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     does have a what appears to be a diagnostic port inside the bottom of the case where the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bottom part of the band slides in and maybe that could be used for something in the future. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     9to5 Mac says that that's there for testing and won't ship with that but then in the video 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Panzorino pointed out that it looks like the port is there like when they pan over all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the steel cases in those crazy Johnny Ive videos. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So no one knows but I do think that if it is there it is diagnostic like the USB port 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on the back of the Apple TV. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't see this being some sort of way to have a band that does something clever in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the future, at least in this generation of hardware. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll say that at the event they didn't let people exchange bands. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I saw that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was hoping someone would have tried that to see how easy it was. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They were taking care of swapping the bands for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which is probably why they want to hide, you know, there's a diagnostic port on the units 
     
     
  
 
 
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     display at the event I guess. Right, yeah because I mean those display units could 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be you know Apple internal ones and not slated for retail. Maybe I didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     trust you and I thought you might run away with them. With a true band? Yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Probably. You get one of those gold ones buddy and you're in the money. Just yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean yeah just just a band not the watch. Yeah the bands are all, well we'll 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get to that, but the bands are all cheaper than I thought they would be. So 
     
     
  
 
 
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     last bit of follow-up has to do with our end of the show topic last week where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico you are having trouble basically getting your router to go on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and off at night and in the morning automatically and listener Andrew wrote 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in and said sometimes a low tech solution is best and links to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     clapper which if you're not familiar with the clapper it's a device that you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     plug like a lamp or something into and then you clap your hands and it turns on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or off depending on its current status it's been made fun of a lot at least 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here in the States for being made mostly made for ancient people but maybe it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     could work for you Federico. I think you should get one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is a good suggestion and speaking of the the Wemo switch that I mentioned 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was it last week? I feel like I don't remember anymore. Anyway I got two 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different types of feedback about the Wemo switch. The first type is that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     timer that you set in the settings can only be activated over the web. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the timer is not local, but it's activated from the, like from your cloud 
     
     
  
 
 
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     account, from your Wemo account. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's insane. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, because you, so if I want to turn off my router, I cannot do that because the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     timer is not local in the, in the physical switch, which seems odd. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It just seems like it's like, it's inefficient. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's counterproductive. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The second type of feedback is that this is simply a bug, which was recently introduced in a version of the firmware of the balcony WIMO switch, and that should be resolved. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Which would explain why, for me, sometimes it works and other times it doesn't work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I don't know. Basically, I said, "No, maybe I should really get a clapper." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, and maybe Clapper will support HomeKit so you could clap at your iPhone and turn off. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think there's a lot of untapped potential here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Clap at Siri. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Press the button. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:22
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     Yeah, I think that's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:24
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     So that is the follow-up this week, gentlemen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I have a very, very small topic. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I would like to talk about. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:35
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     - It's topic 0.5. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I just saw this go by today, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that Apple is donating over $50 million 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to a couple of different charities, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the Thurgood Marshall College Fund 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and the National Center for Women Information Technology, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:49
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     and this is to improve diversity in tech in general, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:51
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     and also to help Apple try and find new people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:56
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     ►  
     and foster new talent to help them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:58
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     ►  
     increase their own diversity in the future. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:00
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     I thought that this was incredible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:03
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     I didn't really see many people talking about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:05
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     This happened yesterday as we were recording. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:07
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     And it just led me to say this one thing, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:10
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     that when I was reading this, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:12
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     and I've thought this for a while, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:14
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     ►  
     I think I prefer Tim Cook's Apple to Steve's Apple 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:18
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     for a lot of these types of things. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:21
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     ►  
     I think as a company, they're a lot more responsible. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:26
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     ►  
     They seem to at least outwardly do more for diversity 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:30
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     ►  
     seem to be even more concerned with the environment. And I think that like Steve 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:38
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     ►  
     Jobs wanted to change the world of his products and like you know change the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:42
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     ►  
     world with you know the fact that the iPhone is here and that kind of thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:45
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     ►  
     but I feel like Tim Cook wants to actually have a greater impact on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:51
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     ►  
     world in that he wants you know not just changing it through shiny aluminium 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:54
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     things but like set the bar for other companies to follow. Like ResearchKit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:01
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     ►  
     which we'll talk about in a bit is like another example of it and it it's just a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:04
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     feeling that I've had for a while with a lot of the moves that Tim's made and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:09
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     ►  
     just think that it's so incredible to see the change that that he is making 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:15
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     ►  
     and whether Apple did this stuff or not before maybe they didn't talk about it I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:19
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     ►  
     don't I understand that people say that I don't know how I feel about that I think if you do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:22
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     ►  
     these kinds of things you do talk about them I just think it's I just think it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:26
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     really cool and I'm just very very pleased that they're doing things like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:29
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     this because no no company has to nobody has to do it and I just like that they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:35
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     do and and I think that this is you know this is one of Tim Cook's things that he 
     
     
  
 
 
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     finds important. I totally agree you know they um I think when Cook first took 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:46
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     over maybe we can dig this up there was a memo that came out that Apple was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:52
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     increasing what they would do for like matching charity stuff for employees 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:57
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     ►  
     and clearly that was just step one and I totally agree with you I think it's I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:01
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     think it's super great and I think it to a degree like large companies have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:06
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     responsibility because they have power and wealth to do good and I think that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:13
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     ►  
     of course everyone could do more including Apple but I like to see that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:17
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     ►  
     Apple is is making some moves and I think this is a great move and I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:21
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     the other stuff that Tim has done over the last couple years is great and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:24
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     really think he'll only ramp it up as time goes on. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:27
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     Yep I just I think it's really great I'm really great I think it's a fantastic 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ►  
     thing to see but that was all it was just this this one little feeling that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:36
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     ►  
     I've had for a while and I wanted to share it with the world and get ready 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:39
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     ►  
     for people to tell me things. Should we take a quick break thank our first 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:43
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     ►  
     sponsor? Yes. I'm really excited about this one guys. Today one of our sponsors 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:48
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     ►  
     this week and our first sponsor for this episode is Swift Summit which is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:51
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     ►  
     first major international summit for Swift and it's happening in London. It's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:57
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     ►  
     gonna be a way, a great way for people to get up to speed with Swift. The event is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:02
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     ►  
     going to exist, it exists to distill everything down that's happened from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:06
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     June to now for anybody that wants to attend. If you want to get to know Swift 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:10
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     this is for you. Swift Summit is going to be a fantastic chance to meet and talk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:14
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     to top engineers and fellow Swift enthusiasts from all around the globe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:19
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     ►  
     Swift Summit is being put on by a small team of people who have been totally immersed in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:22
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     ►  
     creating and helping grow the Swift community since the week after the language was launched 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:27
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     ►  
     at WWDC 2014. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:29
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     ►  
     They've been organising meetups all over the globe and since the launch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:35
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Swift Summit is going to be a real meeting of the minds. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:38
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     It's the collaboration between two of the largest Swift community groups, Swift London 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:41
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     ►  
     and the San Francisco Swift community. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     coming together to put on the Swift Summit. It's a single track conference, full of days 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:48
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     of talks on the Saturday, laying the groundwork and raising the main themes of the weekend. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:53
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     ►  
     This features a fantastic lineup of speakers, some of the most involved engineers and developers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:58
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     ►  
     like Chris Eidhoff of OBJC.io. I never know how to say that, I read it all the time though. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:06
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     ►  
     Brian Jeziak, a software engineer at Facebook, and Daniel Steinberg, who is author of a Swift 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:11
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     ►  
     to kickstart. There's also a panel discussion on Saturday evening, they have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:16
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     a party at a place called Bloomsbury bowling lanes, which sounds a lot of fun, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:20
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     ►  
     and a bunch of shorter talks on Sunday. It's located in a historic building in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:24
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     ►  
     the heart of London, home to the Dickens library and a long line of public 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:28
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     ►  
     educators. So you kind of think like wood paneling and like a fireplace and a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:32
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     ►  
     library, it's that kind of feel, it's like super fancy. They have a courtyard garden 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:36
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     ►  
     and a grand hall as well. And it's fully catered, there's breakfast, lunch for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:41
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     ►  
     everyone. You'll meet across the weekend you're gonna meet loads of new people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:44
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     ►  
     you're gonna get loads of new skills ideas and all that sort of stuff if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:47
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     are interested in Swift this is the place for you. Get that training budget 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:52
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     allocate from your office or just head along on your own London is a great 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:55
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     ►  
     venue and it's gonna be a real springboard for a lot of people to get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:57
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     ►  
     involved in Swift. It's happening from the 21st and the 22nd of March in Bloom 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:02
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     ►  
     3 in central London and we have a special offer for listeners of this show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:05
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     you can save 15% on a ticket to Swift Summit by going to these, the URL is great 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:10
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     guys you're gonna like this. SwiftSummit.com/MykeWasRight is the URL. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:16
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     ►  
     Or alternatively you can go to SwiftSummit.com/Dante. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:20
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     Wow. I'm very happy for both of you. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:26
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     ►  
     Thank you so much SwiftSummit. I think this is a really cool thing that's happening and I love that it's in London. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:31
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     ►  
     And if, you know, come on down to London and go to SwiftSummit. It's gonna be great. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:40
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     Topic zero point five point one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:43
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     ►  
     Starts with a story and then we'll get to the news. So I've very often 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:50
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     ►  
     Wake up to text messages from one or the both of you because you're ahead of me by the time I'm up and moving 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:56
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     ►  
     It's you know midday mid morning midday for you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:59
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     So this morning I get text from Federico's like hey 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:02
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     ►  
     Have you heard the new death cap single and I said well, no, there's a new one. I haven't seen it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:08
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     ►  
     And I said, "Oh, let me go download it from iTunes." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:12
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     ►  
     I go to iTunes and I can't download it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:14
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     ►  
     I hit the buy button and it just spins and stares at me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:17
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     ►  
     And so I tell Federico this and he says, "Oh, well, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:20
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     ►  
     I've been listening to it on streaming services." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:22
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     ►  
     So I go to the app store and I can't download any apps. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:25
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     ►  
     Can't download Spotify or RDO or Beats. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:29
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     ►  
     And it was very sad for me because I wanted to listen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:32
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     ►  
     to the song and I couldn't because turns 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:34
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     ►  
     out Apple has had a massive DNS issue today where iTunes connect and both app 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:43
     ◼ 
      
     ►  
     stores the iBook store and the iTunes store were all down. And the podcast directory. Podcast 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:48
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     ►  
     directory. This is sad for us as a feature today. We're all down for a while and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:56
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     ►  
     think they're back up now as we record now. They made a statement to CNBC 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:01
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     ►  
     saying that it was an internal DNS error in Apple. And so yeah, most of the day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:09
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     ►  
     Apple stores and services offline, which is sad. Well did you listen to the song 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:15
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     ►  
     eventually? I did, I bought it and listened to it on the way home and it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:19
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     ►  
     was quite enjoyable. I must just take a quick aside on this. So I opened the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     document today and I've seen Federico and Steven have been we're having a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     conversation in the show notes which says Federico to Steven hear the new 
     
     
  
 
 
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     DCFC song Steven no can't download it from iTunes frowny face Federico streaming 
     
     
  
 
 
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     services Steven I can't I can't download any apps no the conversation was over I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     message I basically just pasted it in here. We don't cover the show notes Myke. We're talking through together. I was very confused by this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sorry about that. So yeah I mean and some people in the chat room saying iTunes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Connect might still be down I don't have iTunes Connect account to verify that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but definitely not a great day for the online for ADQ's online division at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple but um you know what can you do at least they made a statement about what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it was. Speaking of old Apple, Myke, I don't think old Apple would have made a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     statement about what specifically was wrong. It's working here. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's not wrong, it's just problematic for a limited number of users. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There you go. It's not down. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right, so in between last week's episode and this week's episode, something insane 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happened. Federico, can you please tell us your story from Thursday? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So, on Thursday I was invited by Apple to go to the event on Monday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's when you hear those days! 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The event being in America, I didn't have a passport. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And now I don't know if it's different internationally, but in Italy, you, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     uh, you at least need like two to three weeks, um, to get a passport for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     United States and so of course, from Thursday to Monday, I will only have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Friday to get a passport, which in my mind right there at the moment seemed impossible. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So what I did was very much an Italian thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I called my dad, who has a bunch of connections. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Call three bells. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Basically, without going into the details, I had a passport in 24 hours. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And the name said Bob Stevens on it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, no, it's actually my name. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And on Friday morning, I went to apply for the passport. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did all the paperwork for a UJAM passport. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:17
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     And on Friday at lunch, I had the passport with me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So on Sunday, I left for America. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And this is so crazy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I flew from Rome to London, from London to San Francisco, and I spent Monday at the event, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then at San Francisco hanging out with a bunch of friends, including our own Jason Snell. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     On Sunday evening, I jumped back on a plane and I flew from San Francisco to London, and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Basically, I left San Francisco at 9 p.m. on Monday, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I was in Rome at 10 p.m. on Tuesday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Sounds fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Which was yesterday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - So on a scale of one to 10, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how dead do you feel inside right now? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I think like 12. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     11 wouldn't be enough. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I feel like, I told Myke and other people, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I feel like I don't know where I am. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everything feels strange. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:28
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     Moving from between two continents in two days 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can do strange things to your mind and to your brain 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and to your body. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the best decision that I had during all this craziness 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happened so fast was to not sleep on the trip 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to San Francisco. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because when I got there, I was basically so tired that I slept overnight and I woke up in the morning ready for the day. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, that's the trick. That is the trick. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Also because I was kind of dumb and I couldn't figure out how to adjust my seat on the plane. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I just took there for 11 hours and I didn't move. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so I was like, okay, so I'm just gonna stay awake. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:24
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     So when I get there, when I get to the hotel, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll be ready to sleep. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And in the morning, I'll be ready for the day. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:32
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     And that strategy worked. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:34
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     So I was really happy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:36
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     - It's a good life hack. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:38
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     - Yeah, I should start a blog. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:40
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     And so yeah, basically in two days, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to America I'm back. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I've been planning for years to go to America and now it's just like that two days. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would like to tell a couple of my favorite little tidbits of this whole experience of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like getting you there. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:00
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     So I was very worried for Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like a mother kind of worried. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:10
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     You're a worrier though. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We've talked about this I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh god yeah I really am. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:15
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     And I was so concerned for him because he'd never been to America before, he was going 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You've never been outside of Europe, have you? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I mean Europe is big enough, there's lots of places, but because you have traveled outside 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:31
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     of Italy many times. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:33
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     But I was very worried about Puerto Rico so I spent an hour with him on the phone talking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     through things like how to get through security and we were talking about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:44
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     airports and all this stuff I was giving him all the information I could I stayed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:48
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     awake until 3 a.m. in the morning to make sure he landed okay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:54
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     I was pretty worse than your mother 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:56
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     My mother went to sleep you didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:32:00
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     I had all of your flights in my flight tracking app so it would tell me when you were taking off when you were landing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was I was very concerned it was very concerned it's very sweet of you really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:11
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     I I was texting him on the morning on Monday morning to make sure he was awake 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:17
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     I was just getting ready to call Federico when when he replied to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:23
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     because I wanted to make sure that he was awake I was I was giving him 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:26
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     directions to places like this is I was finding him blue bottle coffee and was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:31
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     telling him how he could get there and I was just very yeah very very concerned 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:36
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     concerned for you Federica, I'm so happy that it all went very well for you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Myke was a huge help because I'm a, I'm a, you know, I come from a small town and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've never been outside of Europe and I, and I, I often say this, I can, I can get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:52
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     anxious and clumsy when it comes to, you know, paperwork and police officers. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:56
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     Like I start to be nervous and, and Myke told me everything that there was to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know about, you know, getting into the States and replying to questions and how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:06
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     and how to address people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also because I'm Italian, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:09
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     so I'm used to different interactions with people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:13
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     So Myke is an expert when it comes to going to America 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:17
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     from a European perspective. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:19
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     So it was a huge help, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:21
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     - Yeah, and what did you think of Blue Bottle Coffee, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:25
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     - It was good, it was actually good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:27
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     I mean, it was an espresso. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:28
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     I went with Matthew Panzorino, which is awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:33
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     And he told me to get the drip coffee, which was nice. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:38
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     Uh, not espresso and not the coffee that you get on the plane. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:42
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     Uh, so, you know, it wasn't in between. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:46
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     Uh, I still like my coffee short, you know, like I'm not used to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:50
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     these big cups of coffee. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:52
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     Uh, when I take you there, I'm going to make you drink that cold coffee. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:59
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     It's very good. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:00
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     They call it the new Orleans and it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:02
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     - Sure, I will try everything, whatever, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:05
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     but just you can't beat Espresso. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:07
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     - But what did you think of San Francisco? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:10
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     I mean, I know you didn't get to see a lot of it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:12
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     - I didn't get to see a lot, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:13
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     but I did get to walk by myself a lot to go places, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:17
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     especially when I need to get back to the plane. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:21
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     I basically had to walk from the Macworld offices 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:24
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     where I went with Jason to record the surprise. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:27
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     - Oh yeah, where you gave me a heart attack on upgrade. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:34:31
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     So I walked from Macworld to my hotel, so I walked for like 20 minutes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:37
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     It was strange because it was beautiful from looking at all the modern buildings. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:54
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     it makes an impression on you, at least on me. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:58
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     Like I'm not used to that type of modern architecture, you know, downtown, the city. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:03
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     I'm not used to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:04
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     Um, but also it was different, I think, in an unsettling way in that it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:12
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     all so modern and new, whereas I'm used to the idea of, of a city center 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:18
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     where you have the old stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:21
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     Like you have the monuments and the churches and you know, all the narrow 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:25
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     streets, you know, the corners and the fountains and San Francisco, at least 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:30
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     the part I was in was all like, all the streets look the same, you know, like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:35
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     it's first, second, third street. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:37
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     And it's all like a, like a grid. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:40
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     It's not like a, like a complex. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:42
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     Um, map, you know, like Rome, it's all, you know, different places and squares. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:47
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     It's a grid. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:49
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     And it's like, it feels like a video game, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:52
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     It feels like the map from GTA. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:54
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     And actually it's kind of like the map from GTA. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:56
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     - Well this, you know, Federico, obviously, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:58
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     this all comes from the fact that America has no history. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:00
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     This is why it's like that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:01
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     - Wow. - Wow. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
	 00:36:09
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     - San Francisco is a special place, you know? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:10
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     It's definitely not like where I'm from either. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:14
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     Definitely some things that are different, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:17
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     But I'm glad you had a good time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:20
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     Next time, maybe you'll have some time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:22
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     to kind of explore a little bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:23
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     There's a lot of good stuff to do. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:24
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     - Yeah, it was really great, even if it was just 25 hours. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:29
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     I think I'm, I mean, I managed to get good pasta 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:34
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     with Jason, Renee, Serenity, other cool people. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:40
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     - Do you remember the name of the place you went to? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:42
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     - Zero Zero. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:43
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     - Oh, they do great pizza there. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:36:46
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     Yep, I have a good 0-0 story from Myke was it Macworld? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:50
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     WBC a couple of years ago where a bunch of us went out to dinner and had a bunch of drinks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:54
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     and then a drunk Steven bought dinner for everybody and spent all of his budget. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:01
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     All of his budget. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:02
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     You were being so nice to everyone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:03
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     Because that was super wasted. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:06
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     We had like 8 pizzas, dessert and drink and cocktails. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:09
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     Yeah I was like yeah 5-12's got it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:12
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     0-0's good spot. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:14
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     So anyway, just in general, it feels really different from Italy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:22
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     I don't know if all America is the same, but when I go to other countries in Europe, it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:29
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     different from Italy, but you can tell it's Europe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:32
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     And I don't know how to explain this, but maybe it's because you know that it's in Europe, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:37
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     but I think it also feels like Europe. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:40
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     When you go to America, it's really different. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:42
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     Yeah, but it also, when you go around in America, it feels like America. Like, at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:47
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     least to a non-American. And for everywhere that I've been, it's like, it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:52
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     different, like it's all different, but it's all a little bit the same. Like, like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:56
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     it, like Europe is. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:59
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     Yeah. Anyways. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:01
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     Should we talk about the event? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:05
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     We're glad you're alive. Yeah, let's talk about the event. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:38:09
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     My thought is, I mean, we're now a couple days out, so people kind of know what happened, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:13
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     but can I talk about the points that jumped out at us? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That makes sense for everybody, but maybe we should, uh, maybe we should start at the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Maybe we should start with a break. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, that's even better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of people and that I did not expect the event to start with the Apple TV of all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things Myke you and I were kind of chatting during the event and we were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like what's happening because we were questioning whether there would be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anything other than the watch right that was a question and then they start with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably the least important product like maybe if they brought the iPod out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know that might have also been a surprise yeah it'd been been nice guys 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we're just kidding about the iPod classic back and better than ever back 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and still and there's a picture of Steven the iPod iPod hack it that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right um so I guess the news is what 69 bucks which is pretty nice I think they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Realizing they've got to compete with things like the Chromecast and like the the Amazon fire TV stick which is like four dollars 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Got a deal with HBO for HBO now, which is interesting. It's it's 15 bucks a month. So like I 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     My like fundamental problem with core cutting is that to really save money? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You have to steal that if you pay for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Netflix and Hulu and HBO Go or HBO Now and all these little things like you end up paying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know what you did to Comcast for your TV, especially if you're buying stuff on iTunes and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know so HBO Now I think is a little more expensive than I was hoping but not more expensive than I was expecting really 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's an exclusive for the Apple TV for what 90 days 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Says that right? I think I think it's three months. Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, 90 days and cost it also cost them a lot of stage time 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I mean, yeah time we all love these TV shows right? Let me tell you yeah TV shows. I love super weird like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like oh, there's a teaser for Game of Thrones like very I'm not sure 90 days of exclusivity was worth everything 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They had to hand over at least they didn't make them drive robot cars around the stage 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's still my all-time favorite awkward Apple keynote 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think I did say that to you right it was this year's Anki Drive like yeah, yeah, oh man those guys 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I hope they're doing okay 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Got jumps on their tracks now 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So yeah, so the Apple TV 69 bucks still kind of what it's always been 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     For one would like a Apple TV that ran better like I've got one and we like it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it's you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's kind of sluggish at times. I might as well connect even though it's like hooked 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into my wired Ethernet network. Just a little strange sometimes. This doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     quite work as well as it should but um I don't know. Yeah this is the Apple TV is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a product that I've never really wanted. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that why is that? Because you have a computer hooked up to your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     television right? Yeah but I don't ever really watch stuff on there. I did watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple event on there but that's like the only time I've ever done that. I just watch 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things on my laptop like I don't know. So you're not a big TV person anyway? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, no. So that's probably why you don't need an Apple TV. That's a good point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or you don't want an Apple TV. It's like you know every every like I feel like every device that I own 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gets Netflix like just everything. Yeah it's everywhere. Like my toaster gets 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Netflix, the oven gets Netflix, everything gets Netflix. It's crazy. Yeah it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, you know, this device has a screen. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Of course it does. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's got Netflix too. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Yeah, it's just obvious. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it's interesting, the new pricing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because I was talking to Jason the other day about, you know, I think we were on upgrade 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I guess they just want to sell them in the meantime because they have to be working on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something new. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I guess in the meantime, there'll just be whatever, just sell them for $69. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I mean, I would, you have to imagine that at some point they have an update to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that little hockey puck. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, it's running an A5, it's sort of janky. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It feels like there's got to be something at some point. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anyways, let's talk about the MacBook. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I guess that was next. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This computer, man. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     What do we want to say about this? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     What do you guys think of the fact that they went with no physical ports other than USB-C? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     My feeling on this remains. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like okay, I think the problem with this device and doing this is that for it to be truly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     useful, you end up having to have something else. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I couldn't use this computer as my computer because there are going to be times where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm going to need to do X, Y or Z with it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm going to need to maybe plug in a USB whilst I'm also charging, which means I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to have to have a dongle or like a other thing. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And then at the point that I need to then bring other things along with me if I'm going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on a trip, it kind of doesn't make it that great that it's that much thinner. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm not sure how I feel about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think one port is so difficult and Apple really didn't... they didn't give enough of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a solution for if you need more than one. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:11
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     Just buy a $79 dongle that has two other ports on it that you can use. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Alright, great. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     One USB port and either a HDMI or a DVI but then you have to use the other USB-C to charge 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     there's not enough on even that like that it makes sense to me like you'd 
     
     
  
 
 
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     need a couple of USBs at least like just I don't know I don't know like I feel 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like sometimes I have enough problem with connectivity of a MacBook Pro yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:42
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     but I think the MacBook is not for you oh no I know that like but this I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that this I'm just saying that for me personally that's how I feel about it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, I think I said this, like when we first were speaking about it, and I still feel this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way that this is not the MacBook for now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is the computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:01
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     This is Apple's vision of computers for the next five years in the same way that the MacBook 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     It's like the MacBook Air was so underpowered, like this, this MacBook isn't so underpowered, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it is underpowered. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's constrained and we can talk about that in a bit. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it has some things on it that you're gonna see across their entire lines over the next 
     
     
  
 
 
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     few years, like this new USB connector, the Force Touch trackpad which is already on the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MacBook Pros now, this new keyboard, like obviously this new screen technology that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:31
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     they're using, this new battery technology, like you're gonna, that's, this is like, we're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     building this now to show what the future's gonna be like, but they put it in this product 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that I think is only useful to a subset of people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right and I mean the obvious parallel and again we talked we spoke about this a while back is that that original MacBook Air which was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     underpowered and had limited I/O and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know a sort of weird in some ways and and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The MacBook just seems like the next step and that in that direction 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     You know yes, I totally agree with you on the single USB C port like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Everyone who buys one is gonna have a $80 dongle so they get USB and video and power, you know in and out and 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Do think it's an iCut, you know built with an iCut toward the future but like in five years 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm still gonna need to charge my iPhone while I'm at my desk, you know, like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     To me the power is the biggest thing not so much the the data I/O 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I could I could live without you know, some things I would be sad this but again this machine is not for me 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     people are gonna need to charge their computer and their phone at the same time because that's the way the world works and and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's really where it falls down for me just in that really lowest common denominator use case 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this machine doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:52
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     doesn't solve those problems and I think that's I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Think if you're looking at this machine, you've really got to think about that sort of thing like, you know, I'm in the airport 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Right. I need to charge my computer and I need to charge my phone and there's only one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Wall outlet what do I do? And I assume I'll be right in thinking that there isn't a lightning to USB C 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Cable, not that I have seen yet. I mean they're they're breakout 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:19
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     So they have these dongles which look sort of like ATPs rumored hub a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:24
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     So like this one I'm looking at has USB C. So that'd be for power in HDMI out and then regular USB out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you could you know, you could charge 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:35
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     Your device and charge your phone back through this dongle 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:38
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     But the thing's 80 bucks and I'm not sure everyone is gonna buy that right off the bat 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Think maybe it was something that they should have included in the box. I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:48
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     You know that's not the way Apple rolls anymore 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:53
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     But it just seems really limiting and like really frustrating ways in day to day life 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:58
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     it is strange as a as a choice to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:02
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     You know to just go without physical ports, especially 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:06
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     Because how you said Steven? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:09
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     What if I have an iPhone and I need to charge my phone and I only have one available 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:14
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     Yeah, you got it. You better hope you bought that $80 dongle at the Apple Store 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:17
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     Yeah, so maybe it should have been included but also on the other hand like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:22
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     When we talk about you know, this is how it's gonna be in the next five years 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't think the next you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:29
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     the next few years are going to happen if you don't start making a point now. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:50:35
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     Oh, I agree with that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:36
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     But Gen 1 put the adapter in the box. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:39
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     Yeah, but I think these sort of things need a big break at one point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:44
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     Like you need to draw a line and say, "Okay, this is how it's going to be." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So people can get used to it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:53
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     In the meantime, you have other options available, like the MacBook Pro and the MacBook Air, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But this is how it's gonna be. Because we don't know if in the next few years we'll still need like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     physical charging for an iPhone with the cable. That's the point. So maybe in five years 
     
     
  
 
 
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     there'll be wireless charging and then, you know, USB-C, only one plug in the... only one port in the MacBook, in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MacBook, just MacBook, will make sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I guess we don't know. Because I cannot see the point from both sides. Like, it's super 
     
     
  
 
 
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     inconvenient and I need to buy this extra accessory, which is also 80 bucks, but also if you don't make a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     precise statement 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Change is always gonna be delayed. Yeah, I mean I get from a marketing perspective if you include the adapter in the box 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like why cut the ports out? Yeah, like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     We're gonna cut them out, but we're also gonna give you this thing because we believe you need them like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, I get that from that is a mixed marketing message 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But then you know, maybe the adapter should be cheaper, but I have to say 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's stunning 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like oh, it looks really it's so beautiful and I love that keyboard and I love the use of San Francisco on the keyboard 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that looks incredible. I 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     The it just looks yeah, man. It just looks so good Federico. Can you because you've used it, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Can you tell us what it's like? Like what does it feel like? What's the weight? Like? What is that trackpad like? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's incredibly light. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, I needed to... and I own a MacBook Air, so I'm used to a lightness in a Mac. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But it's like, it's super light and you have this huge keyboard in front of you. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The space grey looks fantastic, I think, but the best part for me was the trackpad and the first touch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because we were talking with Jason, Myke, there is this illusion, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When you try to apply pressure on the trackpad and you think you're actually going down into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the trackpad because you feel physically that you're depressing, that you're applying pressure 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you're going into the trackpad, you're going down. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     feel like you're moving an object down and you feel in your finger this feedback from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the trackpad. And you're like, "Okay, I'm applying pressure, I feel it in my hand and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm also seeing the results on the screen." But actually how it works is that there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this Taptic Engine that basically moves sideways and it gives you... but it makes it feel like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're going down vertically into the trackpad. And when I tried the trackpad, it felt like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     When I was applying different levels of pressure, it felt like I was moving my finger towards a little series of steps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like I could feel little... it's not necessarily like clicks, but yeah, like a series of steps that I was moving into. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But actually you're not moving into vertically down into anything. It's just feedback from this engine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it doesn't physically move like at all? It just bounces back at you? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's so weird. The Taptic Engine makes it bounce sideways and it feels like it's moving vertically down into, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like there's pressure moving into the trackpad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I need to try this because I feel like I understand the words you're saying, but I cannot think what that feels like. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I'm the same way. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It is freaky and weird, but it really works. And it's awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I mean, I had to play for a couple of minutes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I tried with a bunch of apps. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I tried with the Finder, with Mail. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Basically every smart data detector from OS X, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like addresses, HTTP links, calendar events, dates, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that sort of stuff can be force touched. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it worked really well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think it has potential for changing how we think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the contextual menus and bring it up different options. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's a new gesture, so you can really think about the potential for apps and developers 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to plug into the APIs for Force Touch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     To describe it, it's really freaky and weird, but it works. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's really well done. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Honestly, it's really well done. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     No, no, I just wanted to say I can't wait for something like this to be available on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     iOS, on an iPhone, or on an iPad. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's next, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like, 7, maybe? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Might be the iPhone 7. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I don't know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of interesting things there with the iPad and drawing and 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I had just a comment and then a question. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one is and I wrote this up on 512 but I find it really interesting that when you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     go to buy one of these things it's basically like buying an iPad you pick 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the color which by the way the space gray at least in the photos looks really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:13
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     awesome I don't know if in real life it looks as good as it does in photos but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the space gray looks great it would be my jams but it's like an iPad so you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pick the color and then you pick the capacity so on this thing there's two 
     
     
  
 
 
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     processor speeds and two SSD sizes and those are tied together so you pick kind 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of better or best and that's it like compare that to where you go to buy a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     MacBook Air and there's you know four different SKUs if you buy a MacBook Pro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:41
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     there's you know four or five different SKUs and you can be real fiddly and say 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want this much RAM and I want this SSD but not that and it's all gone with this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     machine it's very much a more of a device than like computer sort of in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some ways. I think it's really interesting. Do you think it's so locked down because of how... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because of the insanity of the logic board? I think that my... I think it probably has a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to do with it so they don't have a lot of different parts running around. So like both models have 8 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gigs of ram. And by the way like that that logic board thing I remember when the the the first 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:17
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     Mac Air came out I was at Apple and we opened one... we had a guy buy one on day one and it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:24
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     it was dead out of the box and so we took it apart before we sent it back. We 
     
     
  
 
 
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     weren't supposed to but we did. And I remember being so blown away by the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:31
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     logic board in the original MacBook Air. It's like a whole Mac on this tiny little 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:34
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     board and the one in this MacBook, this new MacBook, is just crazy. It's a third of the size, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah it's hard to imagine how they did that. Obviously they don't have the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cooling stuff with the Intel Core M. They can run fanless but really impressive. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is that going to be hot though? I can imagine this machine will get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:54
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     warm but they're this this platform is shipping in a bunch of ultra books they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:59
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     run fanless and you know I haven't gone to take up any of those reviews or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anything but I don't think it's like you know burning hot but I would imagine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:07
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     that it'll be warm. That MacBook Air, the original MacBook Air man, that could 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:11
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     actually burn you. Yeah. My brother had one and he burnt his thigh once. That's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:58:18
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     - That's fine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:20
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     So my question is, Federico, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your MacBook Air is not in great shape. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Is this a machine that you would consider 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:27
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     replacing your MacBook Air with? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:58:31
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     I mean, it's the most basic Mac I can, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:33
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     portable Mac I can get. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:35
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     And it's got a retina screen, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     so it will be better for my eyes. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:39
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     And I would just need to get an adapter for, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:42
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     when we record the podcast, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:45
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     because I need to charge and use USB for the microphone at the same time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:50
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     But yeah, I guess when I'll be about to upgrade my MacBook, fine, I mean, it's got a broken keyboard, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and eventually you gotta assume that the next few versions of OS X won't run nicely on this machine. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:05
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     I think that's the... because I mean if it doesn't... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:09
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     if things on iOS don't change, if I'll still be unable to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:14
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     do podcasts properly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:17
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     on an iPad, now please don't send me the ideas for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:21
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     microphones on iOS. Because we looked at all the options. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:25
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     That's not gonna work. If things don't change on iOS, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:30
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     I'll have to upgrade my Macbook and yes, I think I'll get the new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:35
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     the new MacBook. It's not as expensive as I thought it would have been either. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:38
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     Yeah it's not expensive. You're gonna get it in gold. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:41
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     No I'm gonna get it in space grey. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:45
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     So the price is interesting too, it's what 1200 bucks for the base model? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:49
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     Yeah $1299. So the MacBook Air 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:52
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     the 11 inches $899 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:55
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     and 1100 bucks and then the 13 inches $999 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:00
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     and 1200 bucks so you can get a high-end 13-inch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:04
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     Air for the same cost as the low-end MacBook and they're the MacBook actually a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:09
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     It's sort of a mixed bag. So the the MacBook Air is faster, but the MacBook has more RAM at that price point 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:17
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     There's been a lot of people complaining about sort of you know, the Apple sort of mixing the lineup, you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:24
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     The MacBook Air and the MacBook are really similar 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:26
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     Now the MacBook Air has the Air name, but the MacBook is thinner and lighter. Yeah, the name is is 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:00:31
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     I don't, I think it's a short term problem. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:34
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     And I think that, Hey, like I wouldn't let this keep you up at night. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:38
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     Um, I think what they've done is the Mac book air is now the, the introductory, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:44
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     you know, Hey, you want a Mac, you want the cheapest Mac you can get. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:47
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     That's a notebook. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:48
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     Hey, you know, buy this, this Mac book air for a thousand dollars. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:51
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     I think the value for money, the Mac book air is crazy. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:54
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     Like, um, I just bought a refurbished one, uh, or picked out a refurbished one, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:59
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     I should say for my brother and he got a heck of a lot of machine for 1,100 bucks. I mean, it's really crazy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:04
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     The MacBook is sitting above that in price, but below that in in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:10
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     Sort of functionality and power, but I think that's okay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:14
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     I think the MacBook will slowly eat into the MacBook Air line 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:18
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     I think I can't imagine the 11-inch air will stay around 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:22
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     I think as soon as Apple can do a 13-inch air at that $899 price point 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:26
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     I think the 11 inch air is in trouble because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:29
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     you know, especially comparing the 11 inch compared to the 12 inch MacBook is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:34
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     ridiculous machine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:35
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     I mean the 11 inch air we've got one at the house and it's not great like it's slow 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:40
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     it's really chunky looking the screen is not very good and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:43
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     In all those metrics the MacBook is a lot better 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:48
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     So I I think that these lines will sort of shimmy around over the next, you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:52
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     year or two years and I think we'll end up in a place where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:56
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     I think the MacBook Air will probably still exist but on the low end and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:00
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     You know this this MacBook will be in the middle 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:03
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     I do think the MacBook Air will get get thinner again at some point 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:06
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     I think the name at this point isn't tied so much to weight and thickness 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:10
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     I think if if you're freaking out about that you should so some for a walk someone wrote in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:15
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     Circle maxis the they sent this in to upgrade early 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:19
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     But thought it was interesting thing we talk about it now and he said it's interesting that like this naming 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:24
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     convention kind of matches the watch now because like the cheapest one is like the sport which is kind of like the air and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:32
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     Yeah, the titular product is the middle one, which is the MacBook, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:36
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     That's the like but it's the middle of the road one and then you have like the pro and the addition at the top end 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:41
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     So it was quite interesting. It does kind of mirror that I don't think that that was intentional but it is interesting that it does that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:47
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     Yeah, and and like I said, I think I mean if Apple had seen this machine coming, you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:54
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     in 2011 when they redid the Air maybe that would have become the MacBook and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:58
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     they reserve the name for this but yeah you know these things happen right these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:02
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     product names don't really mean anything and they could they could have just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:05
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     flipped the flip-flop the names right they've actually the new MacBook Air 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:09
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     right or they could have given this the Air name and rebadged the the old ones I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:14
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     mean they've done all sorts of weird things in the past but uh you know it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:17
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     it'll be interesting how this plays out but I fully expect the MacBook Air line 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:21
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     to not exist as it does today. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:23
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     And the new MacBook Air, the new MacBook Air with Retina display. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:27
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     Yeah, it could. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:29
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     I mean, that was the rumor, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:30
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     People were thinking it'd be MacBook Air. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:03:33
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     I wanted to ask you, can you imagine our reactions? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:36
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     Hadn't this Mac leaked anywhere before? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:41
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     We all like people would have been would have gone crazy on Monday. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and instead just a couple of months ago we knew exactly how because uh the leak from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     925 Mac was basically perfect I think like he was dead on except for the uh power button 
     
     
  
 
 
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     being on the wrong side of the keyboard thank god yeah well big deal no I'm really glad 
     
     
  
 
 
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     he was wrong about that I mean yeah even the colors uh I think they I feel like yeah it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I don't know. He got it. That is much much stuff. Like yeah, right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I mean right like he you know, they when they said there's a new MacBook. I was like, oh well 
     
     
  
 
 
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     This is garments computer. So the dicks the magic out of it. We talked about that before she called a germac 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that would make everyone Apple dying. Oh, no, we can call it that they don't have to call it that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, so we're not Casey giving 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I bet you guys cash money that he calls it the gold book at some point atp tonight 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like we just have a little have a little I don't know one in the chair 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'm tip him off because I would like someone to pay me money for that 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     The gold Mac retina the gold mac, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, good man. Right now retina gold Mac. That's terrible. We love you Casey, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So so Federico this machine I thought of you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know your iOS primarily you just need a Mac sometimes. I think the other use case 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for this or sort of the general use case for this is you know it's someone who I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the MacBook Air is going to be you know what students pick up what a lot of like like our 
     
     
  
 
 
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     entire small business at my day job runs with MacBook Airs like almost everyone has one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think this thing is going to be really popular for people who travel. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, this is the Traveler's computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Like if I, if I didn't, if I use the Mac Pro as like the machine that I do most 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of my work on, I would buy one of these for travel. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And I, I even had the thought today, I was talking with the other friend and, uh, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     he's looking to buy a new iMac. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And so we were kind of talking about the pros and cons of the Retina iMac. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And, and I haven't said, you know, like if I had a desktop set up, you know, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I would own a Retina iMac and I would probably own one of these. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's just like my take it to the coffee shop and write machine. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know right now I've got a MacBook Pro and I kind of use it as a desktop most of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     So like I can see this also for people in two machine setups maybe someone like Snell 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who you know has a Retina iMac who you know also needs a notebook sometimes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it would be hard for at least any of the three of us. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think even Federico you might run into some of these limitations but I definitely couldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     live on this machine as my only computer. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     As much as I desire it, I know that it would be endlessly frustrating because I've got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     displays and external drives and a Thunderbolt dock and all this crazy stuff hooked up that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this machine just can't do. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:50
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     Should we take a break and then talk about the watch? 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Let's do it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So the watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     They talked about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:17
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     They showed it off. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:19
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     complained on Twitter that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:21
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     Apple didn't tell the story of the watch and I think I'd missed that in the live blog and maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Frederick you can speak to how it was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You actually hate watching the even itself, but and watching the keynote of the night 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think they did tell the story better. They said yeah, I got three pillars right they have timekeeping they have communication 
     
     
  
 
 
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     No, that was that was in the original one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:41
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     But but it was but it was a story and story was what Kevin Lynch did that that is the key part 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I've gone back and watched that like because what he did was exactly what I was looking for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was he showed you a day in the life of what it's like to use this device and the small parts where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It can can work for you. I remember remember a long time ago where me and Federico 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:02
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     Came to a knife fight over the Android wear video 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:06
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     We talked about the airport that spoke to me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Whether it did anybody else because I looked at it and could see the daily interactions that you have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where you can use something like this to connect you to your information and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think that that they did that he did and I think Kevin Lynch is a great presenter 
     
     
  
 
 
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     by the way. He's a lot better than he was. I think he's very entertaining and he 
     
     
  
 
 
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     seems very like familiar with the product like it was very obviously he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:33
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     would be but it just really came across like you know he was like yeah this is how you do all this stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And he was funny as well like as much as he needed to be it was it was all good I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I really enjoyed his presentation, but I loved all of those little moments like showing the hotel room stuff and the garage door opening 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and showing the, you know, being able to scan into American Airlines by using the QR code and all that stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That to me really got me excited. It definitely, definitely did. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I mean I didn't mean to discount his his appearance but you know that they broke 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it up into timekeeping, communication, and fitness and I think that's like if you think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:16
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     about it this device revolves around those three things it's not as strong as the iPod 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:22
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     phone internet communicator of 2007 but clearly they're trying to kindle that sort of you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:28
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     know these are three categories that this thing falls into and I think his demos played 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:33
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     into that really well. A good mix of of those things and I think they did a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:40
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     better job than than I had I had realized in that. I do think they answered the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     question pretty well of, you know, like you said Myke, what does this thing look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:52
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     like in everyday life? And you know we've all seen these these comments we've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:58
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     gotten some emails about it of, you know, "Well you could do everything in his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:01
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     presentation with your phone and yes, you can, but the point is that you can do it more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     discreetly, more easily, and sort of in a new way on the watch, which is really the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:14
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     whole point of this thing is to make these things quicker and easier to deal with so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:20
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     you're not dealing with them but you're out in the world doing things, which is good, 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:12:26
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     I think the fact that they're showing like three, what they consider the three basic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:34
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     features or use cases for the watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think that makes sense when you want to say, okay, we made it, we made this device 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for these basic features. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:47
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     But also what Apple is saying is I think these are the basics, but everything else will be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:53
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     made possible by software, by apps. So it's not like they're saying "look, we made this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:59
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     thing with three features and that's it". And also they're not saying "we don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:04
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     what the..." because I saw a lot of people saying "Apple is not telling us what the watch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:08
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     is for". And that's not possible. And that also misses the point. Because I think, if 
     
     
  
 
 
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     anything it shows that Apple has learned from the history of the App Store. In seven years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:21
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     almost of the App Store, we possibly couldn't have imagined what the iPhone would turn out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be. Because it can be so many things, right? And it's not like today, at the beginning 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the show they had this big slide where I think Tim Cook said the iPhone is now so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     many things. And there was a slide with a bunch of photos of an iPhone running so many 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different apps. So it can be a fitness tracker, it can be email calendar, FaceTime, phone, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     basically it's a computer, right? But it's a different type of computer. And I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:55
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     the same will happen with the watch. So they're saying internally, we made it for three use 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:02
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     cases in mind. But also, we made it for others to make apps for. So what it will turn out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be, we don't know. And where some people see a negative in that, I see the exact opposite. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I see insane potential because now that you're free from the constraint of saying "I have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:24
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     to find a single use case", you can be whatever you want. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:28
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     The point is, what we should be arguing about is, do we believe that a wearable device that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:34
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     is in constant connection with our skin, do we think that's the right way to go for technology? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:41
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     That's the question, I think, not "Is Apple telling us the story of the watch?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:47
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     The question is, "Is this the future to make the technology personal and useful in this 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     If it is, I think there's no need to tell a single story, because there won't be a single 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:14:58
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     Just like there's no single story with the iPhone, because every time you ask somebody, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:01
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     "Hey, what do you use your iPhone for?" 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:04
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     Everyone has a different answer, and I think the same will happen with the watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:09
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     I've been thinking a lot about this because I saw so many people saying Apple is not telling us the use for the watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:16
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     There's no single use for the watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:18
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     The basic question is, is this the right idea to have a wearable device? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:25
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     Just like it was with the iPhone. Is this the right idea to have a big screen and you use touch? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:30
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     I think most of the tech press isn't seeing this basic point. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:37
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     I've been thinking about it a lot. I get that. I do too, but I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:44
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     the time is a factor, but in a way that, not in the way that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:49
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     described, but we all now have different stories of what we do on our phones 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:55
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     because we have had the App Store for seven years, but if you go back to what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:59
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     they originally showed off the phone, it was very much about those core 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:03
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     functionalities because that's all it had. Now what's different is that the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:09
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     watch is standing on the shoulders of the smartphone, it's got apps, it's got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:12
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     these things, it's starting further down the road than the phone did and I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:16
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     that's where that disconnect comes in. You know smartphone did browsing, email, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:22
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     some photo stuff, but that was really about it. Where this thing, I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:27
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     because the answers are more varied people get more nervous about the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:30
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     question. I'm not saying that's fair but I think it's when I think about it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:34
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     that's kind of the difference is that this thing is coming into a market that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:38
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     we already understand to a degree where the smartphone was sort of a different 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:45
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     era of you know these personal computing devices so I think it will do well I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:51
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     mean I agree with you I think the potential of this thing is is crazy but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:55
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     I don't know if the setting in which it is coming to the world is the same as a smartphone. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:01
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     So why don't we... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:05
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     The software and stuff's interesting, some stuff has changed, some stuff has stayed the same, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:10
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     but one of the key pieces of information that we have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:14
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     now that we've been questioning 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:17
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     was the bands and the pricing. So we have that information now, and it's not what we expected. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:25
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     So effectively, I mean, I think the prices are, I think in general maybe cheaper than 
     
     
  
 
 
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     most people expected, not by a lot, but like it fell under a lot of guesses and/or around 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the kind of level that we thought it was going to be at. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think more interestingly, it seems that there is going to be, like you'll be able 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to buy a selection, not all, but a selection of bands for any and all device. So like for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     example I could buy a sport and Milanese loop if I wanted to. I like how you say that. I've 
     
     
  
 
 
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     been practicing. That's good. Yeah and you're right, I mean we've got the link to the show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     notes. Apple has all this up on their store. For instance I really like the look of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     black stainless steel watch with the black link bracelet but you can't, the link bracelet 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can buy is only the silver one if you go you know just to buying that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     band itself so it's definitely still not as free-flowing as some people thought 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but it's definitely more flexible than rumors late in the game would have would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     have said. So now we know the prices now we have a bit more information where do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we stand so I mean Federico I'm gonna leave you to last because you're the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     most informed of the three of us. Okay. Because you've actually seen them but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Stephen what do you what are you thinking now what are you gonna what on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     April 10th what is gonna be your order it will be the black Apple watch sport 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably in 42 millimeter I do like I said I do really like the black 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stainless steel with the black link bracelet but it's like a thousand 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dollars and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna spend that so I'm gonna go with the the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     black sport. So I'm gonna buy the sport with the blue band but I'm also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna buy a black band like the sports band which is what I'll probably wear 
     
     
  
 
 
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     most of the time or and maybe later I want to try these out first and get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe get one later like maybe get the lead the classic leather buckle yeah I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think that looks really nice I'm gonna go 42 millimeter and the reason I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna do this is because it turns out the Apple watch 42 is exactly the same 
     
     
  
 
 
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     size there are thereabouts as my pebble steel nice like but I'd looked at it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:52
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     like so the steel is 46 by 34 we have and it's 10.5 millimeters thick and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple watch is 35.9 by 42 like 42 high and 35.9 wide so it's it they're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     effectively the same which is really interesting because it looks much bigger. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah my only problem with the mixing and matching because I do want to go with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the black sports the black case is that a lot of these other bands have the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lighter metal on the sides like if I were to go with the like the the loop or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something I worry about how that seam is going to look like if the matching on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the side so I don't know I mean I'm gonna buy the black one I might pick up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the white band down the road staff something a little bit different seems 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to be less of a big deal on the sports bands but well I think I think some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     bands you can actually choose to have the right color the black or the silver 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but at least in one color at least you can do that I saw. Yeah so it'll be in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the black one you can it looks like but it'll be interesting to see I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:07
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     it'll be fun to mix and match a little bit. So now what about you Federico and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what was it like using one? I was expecting the watch to be much bigger 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:20
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     It was smaller than I was expecting and it really felt great I think. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I tried the Milanese loop and it was super smooth and soft. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It feels like fabric, it doesn't feel like it's actually made of metal. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So originally I was offered a 38 model and it was really tiny for my wrist. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I asked for a 42 one and it felt just right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It didn't feel too big at all. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think, like, the first minute I was a bit, like, confused because I was expecting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     some sort of an iOS kind of structure of the operating system. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it's different. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The way that stuff is arranged from a pure architectural perspective in the software, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like what is up, what is down, what is sideways, it's different. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it takes a minute to get used to. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And also, I think just a couple of minutes at a demo area don't make for the best way 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to get used to that. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:36
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     But the device itself, well, depending of course on the bands and the model that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:41
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     try, I think it feels great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:44
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     So I tried the Apple Watch, the steel one with the Milanese loop, but what I want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:55
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     get for myself is the steel space grey with two bands. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:02
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     I want to get one rubber band for when I exercise and the link bracelet for when I go out and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I try to be fancy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - And you party. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - When I party, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I go places. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:15
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     I've been kind of turned off this deal because a lot of the pictures that I've seen, it looks 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     There's a picture from someone that I follow on Twitter that really gives you the idea 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of the Space Gray. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because when you see it up close, I think it looks great. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:32
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     So now I'm trying to find this picture. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I will send you the link when I find it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:37
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     So I think, like, I'm sure that part of my problem is that my, I mean, we talked about 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this before, my hands are big. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:47
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     So when I tried to tap on the screen, I felt a little like, okay, I need to be careful 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:23:53
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     So navigating the home screen can be a little different than, of course, you know, than 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:24:04
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     And also trying to understand that you need to go back to the watch face to look at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:09
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     glances that can take a while because if you think of glances as widgets like I was, you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:17
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     assume that you can activate glances from anywhere because on iOS you can activate widgets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:23
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     from anywhere or you can activate control center from anywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:27
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     But instead glances are only like at the bottom of the watch face. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:31
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     So now I don't know if it's a good idea to split up the software components in this way. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:36
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     But it's only at the bottom of the... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:38
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     When you say the watch face, you mean like when you're looking at the clock, not like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the whole time. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:24:44
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     Yeah, the clock. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That was in the Verge's hand on, and I found that interesting. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:48
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     And Patel was basically like, "That's a little confusing, and I wonder how much that will 
     
     
  
 
 
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     get tweaked over time." 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:56
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     But having glances just... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:57
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     Yeah, that's what I was doing too. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:58
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     what you have to do is you think of glances as a subset of the of the clock 
     
     
  
 
 
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     face which doesn't make a lot of sense to me I agree with you I think it should 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:06
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     be available from anywhere now again you've only used it for a couple minutes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:10
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     I haven't used it and so maybe once you're into it that makes a lot of sense 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:13
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     can I but it seems like an opposing thought on that like so I agree that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:17
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     it's confusing but like maybe feel like I can see some of the thinking in it so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:22
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     yeah glances are meant to be quick pieces of information right so they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:26
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     the things that were there when you just turn on the watch once you've not used it for a while. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:31
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     Once you're past the watch phase, you use the apps to get the information? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:36
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     Yeah, exactly. So there's a basic problem here. Because it's been seven months and we didn't get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:43
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     any additional information from Apple, we've all been used to think of Glances as the iOS widgets. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:51
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     And so we kind of tricked ourselves into the mindset of saying, "Okay, glances are just like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:57
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     widgets." So we basically convinced our brains that you can activate glances from anywhere. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:04
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     So when you see the demo and it's only from the, let's call it the lock screen, so the clock, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:09
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     you're like, "Oh my god, this doesn't make any sense because I want to look at glances from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:14
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     any screen." But it's just like how Myke said, when you're not in the clock, when you're not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:20
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     in the watch face you have the apps, which are supposed to be quick interactions anyway. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:25
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     So it makes sense because when you wear the watch, the watch face, the clock, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:32
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     the screen turns on when you rotate the wrist, when you actually want to look at the watch. So 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:39
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     it turns on and off, and that's been done super well, at least in my tests. I move my wrist, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:46
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     just a rotation movement and it turns on. So from there you look at glances and when you accept the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:54
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     fact that it's only like because the watch face is the place where you want to have a quick peek 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:01
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     at information it makes sense to have the glances there. I think we all just need you know a bit of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:07
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     time to to get used to this stuff because it's been seven months and we kind of because you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:13
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     nerds are always in need for an explanation. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:16
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     We don't like to be left in the dark. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:18
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     So in the past seven months, we just built this image 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:22
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     of how the watch OS architecture was like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:26
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     And it's quite a bit different from our imagination. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:29
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     So of course, tech bloggers, when they got to the event, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:33
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     everybody freaks out because it's different. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:36
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     And because it takes a little time. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:38
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     I think once the watch units go out to reviewers, 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:43
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     viewers, I think it'll... and they'll have more time with advice, I think it'll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:48
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     make more sense. And Myke, you absolutely nailed this point of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:54
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     watch, face and the glances. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:55
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     So like, I don't know how I will feel about it, but it's just like when I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:00
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     when I heard that, when I read that, that was just where my brain went. It was like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:04
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     this, if I was gonna think of why they made this decision, that might be it. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:10
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     And then like you think the clue is in the name with glances. I don't know. Yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:14
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     Federica that that picture in the show notes from Twitter. Is that the aluminum or the steel? That's the aluminum. I 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     Because I was looking at Twitter right and this guy says that it's the steel one the space gray one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:30
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     And I don't remember being as shiny as the people are saying on Twitter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:36
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     I mean it is shiny. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:38
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     Space grey is what they call the aluminum. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:40
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     I mean this is part of the problem right? 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:41
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     There's like 38 SKUs of this thing and it's hard to talk about but... 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:44
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     Yeah it's a little confusing to remember all the model names and stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:48
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     Yeah I mean this definitely looks flatter than some of them. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:52
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     When you go to the... in the demo room like I was able to look at all the watches. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:59
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     so many of them. It really takes a bit of time to understand what every watch is like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:07
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     and what every band is like. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:10
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     So yeah, I think this one may be the sport one actually, so aluminum, and I think it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:19
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     looks nice. But also the link bracelet and the Milanese, when you see them in person 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:23
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     they look great. So I don't know. I think to make sure, because I really like those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:30
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     bands, especially the Link bracelet. So I think I'll go with the steel one, even if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:35
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     it's a bit shinier and therefore a little more subject to fingerprints and stuff. But 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:43
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     the Link bracelet and the Minelaser, they are amazing. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:46
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     One thing that I hope is that the bands remain usable on the next version and they have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:54
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     whole new set and then the ones that we have currently are called the 2015 edition and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:59
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     then the next ones are the 2016 collection. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:03
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     I think that would be really nice if they did that and that they were still usable because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:06
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     in theory, at least for version 2, the sizes aren't going to change so I think that that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:12
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     would be nice if they kept those and I hope that that's the case. Yeah I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:18
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     I would imagine that that they would at least for a while. I think so I think so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:22
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     yeah. But we don't know I mean this is there's so many things that are new and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:26
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     weird about this like we haven't even talked about the gold one which is crazy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:31
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     and expensive and not a tech product but a fashion lifestyle product there's just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:37
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     lot of questions here and I think as we go further into this like I mean I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:43
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     I don't even I'm not even sold to myself this is gonna be an annual update like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:47
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     the other bits of hardware I mean it's my part of me thinks this could be on a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:51
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     longer refresh cycle than the other. I hadn't even thought of that. Like yeah there's nothing to say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:56
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     this there needs to be one of these every year. Yeah I mean I don't I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:59
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     know because this is uncharted territory. Again like they could they could not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:04
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     update the watch but update the bands like yeah to do whatever they want they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:08
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     could they could have they could have seasonal band updates like field notes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:13
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     you just get a subscription well more just like fashion but yeah sure yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:17
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     that would make sense to me like as well that these are the spring collection and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:21
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     there might be a fork right yeah I hope I get a camouflage one that'd be awesome 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:25
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     I'm just kidding just kidding well there's the real there's the real watch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:30
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     apps coming in theory like native apps right that could be a big update yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:36
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     yeah do we want to talk about the addition I do want to point out that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:40
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     that Myke you were right last week you said again Myke as you've been right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just all right you said last week that you you had a thought that not even all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple retail stores would get the the watch edition I wrote about that last 
     
     
  
 
 
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     week saying the Apple Store is the wrong place to sell such a watch because the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple Store is it's not a jewelry store it's it's a very different thing. So you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were right about that it seems like Apple Apple said that the watch edition 
     
     
  
 
 
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     will be available at select retail locations. They didn't really get into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what that means. There's been some talk of some pop-up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     watch shops that might get them, some jewelry stores might get them. We don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really know quite yet but you know watching the watching the video when you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know Tim says and it starts at $10,000 the room is just kind of silent like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Federico was that an uncomfortable moment in the room when that price point 
     
     
  
 
 
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     came out? No there was some like some some people whispering and you know just 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say I think most people just knew and I guess most people were saying John 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Gruber was right. Yeah I think if they would have said that in September there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would have been uproar. But at this point, everyone in that room knows what Gruber said. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like, I remember the first thing I said to the other, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to some friends after the event was like, "Yeah, John was right." 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I was about that one though. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, it was the first big claim from John about the addition of $10,000. But yeah, he was right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah um and i think it's fine i mean i think that you know there there's been people complaining 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about that but again i don't think that i don't think the watch edition is that a tech product 
     
     
  
 
 
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     i don't think it should be thought in the same way as uh that's the sport that's just how fashion 
     
     
  
 
 
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     works yeah even if it's even if it's the same object you pay for the different material you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pay for the exclusivity you pay for the premium treatment you know it's just how it works it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's been this way for hundreds of years in the fashion business. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So it's really no surprise. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I saw this somewhere, either a tweet or a post, I can't remember now where and I hate 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it when I do that, but someone said like if you are in the kind of world where you own 
     
     
  
 
 
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     $10,000 watches, right, if that's the thing that you own and you're interested in this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     product you don't want to have to buy a product that you wear in the day and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then when you go out in the evening you have to take it off and then put your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     expensive watch on like to go out you just want to have your watch on all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time so that's why this exists and like that is could be one of the reasons that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Apple made it is so that people that want to spend that amount of money they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can just wear their Apple watch because it's kind of embarrassing for Apple to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     be like you know these like fancy people they don't wear it when they're out and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about on the town because it's not expensive enough and it kind of makes sense to me that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I see and that sounds kind of weird but like I kind of get that like if you want to make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this kind of product and you want to get everyone you kind of got to go out there a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah you know I mean it it's a it's this weird new field for Apple because when you make 
     
     
  
 
 
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     computers, when you make consumer electronics, most people tend to buy based on utility. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So they look at the tech specs, they look at the price, and they consider what they 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     But when you enter the fashion field, most people tend to buy irrationally. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So they tend to buy, not necessarily because I need a bag, because I need to put stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
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     into the bag. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So you could buy a $20 bag. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Or you could buy the $5,000 Gucci bag because you like it and because you want to make a 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     And that's the kind of mindset that most followers of the Apple news cycle have been struggling 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to understand. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Because it doesn't make sense to them to spend $10,000 on effectively the same watch, only 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the material changes. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And yes, it doesn't make sense, that's the point, it doesn't have to make sense. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     That's just how people who have that kind of disposable income to spend on a watch, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's just how they're gonna do, you know, they just buy stuff because they can. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And once you accept the fact that fashion is unlike technology and that this is a new, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Interesting combination of two worlds meshing together 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It did it sort of makes sense. And I think it's it. I mean, it's um, it's no surprise really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Yeah, I agree and it's you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If someone wants to drop that kind of money on this like more power to them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But I think Apple I think Apple is being realistic about it. That's why there's one that's three hundred and forty nine dollars 
     
     
  
 
 
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     You know, that's yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think the sport one will be very popular, at least in our circles. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Absolutely. No, I mean my mother for reasons. She's like, "I love the gold one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It looks beautiful, of course, but I'm gonna get the sport one because I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want the Apple Watch because I think it looks nice. I don't have $10,000 to spend 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on a gold watch, but I just want the Apple Watch, so I'll get the rubber band, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     which is nice. It's available in multiple colors." And I think that's like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the reasoning that most people will have. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Cool. Anything else we want to talk about? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Anything, any parting thoughts Federico from you having made the journey? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It was really quite an experience and I came away, I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe it was the, you know, all the excitement because when you're there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you meet all these people, it's really like it gives you all these positive feelings, right? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And you're all excited for stuff. But also, I haven't published all my thoughts because I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wanted to really consider what I saw. And I'm really, really excited for the watch. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because I think that from my perspective I'll be primarily interested in communication and fitness stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Not necessarily about timekeeping because I pretty much already... 
     
     
  
 
 
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     every day my schedule is mostly already organized, so I really don't need to manage my time better. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But communication and fitness will be huge for me. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And after what I saw, after the demos and trying to watch, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and looking at the early apps and talking to people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and talking to developers who are making more software 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for the watch, I really can't wait to try one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think it is the right idea. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think I was very much wrong on many aspects 
     
     
  
 
 
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     when I talked to Myke, when I almost had a fight with Myke 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about smartwatches, I think I was, yes, Myke was right. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think I was wrong on some aspects. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think I was right on the health and fitness stuff. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I think that there'll be even more coming in the future. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I'm really excited for the watch, yeah. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I'm really excited too. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I'm so, so, so happy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you got to be there, Federico. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Just so incredibly happy about it. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I know that so many people listening were, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had a great day planning out and sharing your travels, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     spotting you in crowds. - Yeah, it was awesome. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Did you see the one where I drew the arrow over your head? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, how did you find me there? 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Someone else did, I can't remember who. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I put it in the tweet, like it wasn't me that found that one. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - That was crazy. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - But I liked it, and yeah, that was a lot, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I had a lot of fun doing that and being involved 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in the incredibleness that was happening that day, so. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - Yeah, I know that, I know that, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we say this stuff often when there's always a big event 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where you get to meet people. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     But for me, it was the first time, right, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to switch from Twitter mode to real life mode. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it was really an experience because I'm not used to, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like I've been doing this for six years, since 2009, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and I've never ever met people in real life before. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     So I've basically, I've condensed all these years 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of online interactions into a single, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like 10 hours with people and it was really too much to take in all at once. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And it was really amazing to get to know all these people and, you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know bloggers and developers. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There was people who got to shake my hand while, you know, outside of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     year, but when it was really, it was really amazing and I want to do more of this. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Well, you have to be at WWDC. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's like a brawling now. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - I know, I know. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     - It's a brawl. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     It's an official rule. 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     - I guess that's about it then for this week. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you'd like to find show notes for today's episode, go to relay.fm/connected/30. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     If you'd like to find us all online, there's a couple of ways you can do that. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mr. Stephen Hackett, he's the man in charge over at 512pixels.net, and he is @ismh on 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     We have Mr Federico Vatici too at Vatici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I, as well as the host of this 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     He's also the host of Virtual with me on Relay FM and also the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     And I am Myke Hurley, I am at iMyke, I am YKE, and you can find many shows that I do, 
     
     
  
 
 
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     including this one of course at thefantasticrelay.fm. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Oh, I didn't mention, we spoke about that talk that I gave at the Apple Store, that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now on the internet. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I'll put a link to that in the show notes as well. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     There will be an iTunes link, but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can find it. I think it's kind of searchable in most apps now 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it's in the iTunes store so I think that's kind of how that tends to work. 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thanks again to our sponsors for this week, our friends over at 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Hover and SaneBox and also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:19
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     Swift Summit. Don't forget Swift Summit, it would be a great thing for people to come 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:42:24
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     along and learn about Swift. But until next week, thank you so much for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     listening. Bye bye now.