30: To America and Back
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From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 30.
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Today's very special episode is brought to you by our friends over at Hover,
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and Swift Summit, a two-day conference on the state of Swift, right here in London, England.
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My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined, as always, by the one and only Mr. Steven Hackett.
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Hey Myke, how are you?
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I am very well.
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And a man who has just returned from jet-setting around the globe, three time zones, three
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countries, 48 hours, Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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Hey guys, I feel like I don't know which language I'm supposed to speak anymore.
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Everywhere that you went, they speak English.
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So just, if you go with that, you'll be fine.
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Yeah, that's true.
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- Stick with English.
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- I actually, when I was back in Rome last night,
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for a moment, like I went to grab dinner
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with a friend who picked me up at the airport.
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And for a second, I was about to say thank you
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to the lady at the restaurant.
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And then I realized I was in Italy.
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So I switched to Italian.
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That was super weird.
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Like I was in my, okay, I'm in a shop,
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so I need to say, you know, I need to talk in English mode.
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and I didn't realize that I was in Italy.
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I've been feeling off all day.
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Anyway, hi Myke and Steve.
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- Hey buddy.
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- So we have a real huge show
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and we have a chunky amount of follow up to get through.
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- We do, sorry about that. - And also topic 0.5
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and 0.5.1, so we should probably get started.
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- So we'll just open to follow up.
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First up we have part three,
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the final chapter of the connected comic book strip which we've covered parts one
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and two maybe we can put all three in the show notes and the we're not gonna
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spoil the ending here but I for one was very satisfied with the way that our
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story ended yeah this I didn't see it going that way and I the third part is
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my favorite part there's yeah I really there was one bit that I really really
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liked. Oh, when it finishes the training, when we finish the training,
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Federico's like, "I don't understand what we've accomplished." I think I was, when
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I read that, I just laughed out loud. I really liked that. That sentence really sums up the
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entire Connected podcast experience for us. We've done something but we don't
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know what it was. It's good, it's good. There's a couple
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surprise guests. The bad guy, there's a bad guy. It's all it's all really really
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great. Myke if someone wanted to see this where could they go about finding it?
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You can find our show notes over at relay.fm/connected/30
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30? Mm-hmm. The show is now older than me, finally. No, that's a lie.
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Oh man, so up next we have some artwork by listener Michael who wrote, emailed us in,
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who did some artwork based on Federico's fitness and health article which is really cool.
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It's got a phone and it's got apps flying into it.
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It's really pretty awesome.
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It's really nice, yeah.
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Yeah it's super cool.
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So Federico has committed to getting this as a tattoo across his chest so I will follow
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Yes, yesterday. You're tired, it's hard to remember what's happened or not.
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Don't try to make this an excuse for everything.
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Up next, some iPhone 6 Plus follow-up and it's more some questions for us.
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Three questions. The first one from Robert is,
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Robert says, "I'm having lots of issues hitting the RAM limit on the 6 Plus.
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Have you guys seen this?" So, a little background, the 6 and 6 Plus have the
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the same amount of RAM which is a gigabyte but the 6 plus has many more pixels and much
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more display to drive and I've in my time with the 6 plus I have noticed some audio
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tearing so if I'm listening to a podcast listening to music I'm if I go to switch apps or if
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I like reload a Safari tab or something I'll get a little glitch in the audio and I don't
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know if that's RAM or not my iPhone 6 doesn't do that what about the two of you guys have
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Have you guys seen anything with this sort of problem?
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- No, not the audio glitch.
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- No, I haven't had that either.
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- Just the usual memory problem with the apps refreshing,
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but not the audio one.
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- Yeah, so that might've just been the unit I had,
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but yeah, the apps flushing out of memory
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definitely noticed.
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I mean, I think the saying will do much better
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if Apple upgrades the RAM,
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which the rumor is that the next batch of phones
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will be two gigs of RAM to match the iPad Air 2.
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I think that will be a good addition to the iPhone line.
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One thing I do see like apps that data refreshes sometimes quite aggressively
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so like for example I've had this problem and it's my I don't know if this
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is a 6+ but sometimes sometimes I leave like I go I'm playing Altos adventure
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and I like open another app and go back and the whole level is restarted and
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sometimes sometimes that doesn't happen but I don't know.
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Yeah I think that's the app getting flushed out but I'm not I'm not super
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sure someone in the chat room if Apple doesn't give the next iPhone 8 gigs of
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RAM it's doomed. Yeah that's true. Good luck. So Andy writes in, Andy asks if
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we're using the 6 Plus in workouts he says he uses the 6 in an armband and it
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works really well the 6 Plus seems like it would be bulky strapped to your arm. I
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I agree that it probably would be.
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Probably. Well it depends on your arm.
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Myke you swim mostly so I guess you haven't taken your 6 Plus swimming.
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I'd put it in my Speedos, not a problem.
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I'm just gonna carry right on from that. Nathan asks or says after several months
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of having the 6 I found that I wasn't using my iPad Mini as much and he ended
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up going to a 6+ plus his MacBook so it kind of collapsed his iPad and phone
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usage into one device. I know Myke that's what's happened to you more or less.
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I don't use it at all, I never use my mini. Didn't you just buy a new iPad again?
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That's... it's complicated.
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We moving on from that question? No, I did buy an iPad Air 2 but it's... it was more about
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replacing the iPad that my kids use for like school stuff because it was an iPad
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Mini 1 and running like educational like a lot of those or media heavy apps and
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like I was watching my daughter try to like draw a letter on it and it was
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stuttering and like falling up falling down and so I gave them my iPad Mini 2 and
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I bought an iPad Air 2 which is super awesome and fast. I think my comment when
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Stephen told me this was like what I find really interesting is Federico is
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the iPad guy but Steven has owned and bought more iPads than Federico. I think
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every couple of weeks you're changing your iPad. It's just been it's just been
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that the Mini 2 didn't last very long that's all. Hey you should be proud of me
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that I did not buy an iPhone 6 Plus even though I really wanted to. You talked to
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me into waiting until the fall to go. Yeah I did. So you've given yours back now?
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Yes it is no longer my position I'm back just on the 6 and it feels tiny and
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terrible and small but what can you do? Federico how did you find traveling with
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the 6+? It was amazing, it was awesome especially because the battery lasts so
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much. Yeah. Like it was it actually saved me because when I was at the airport and
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I couldn't charge my phone I still had like 20% left that was really convenient
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and it was like when I hand when I handed the iPhone to at the airport to
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for the checking, for scanning the boarding pass,
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I noticed that a lot of people were extremely careful
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with holding the 6 Plus.
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And actually one person at the gate said like,
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"Oh, this is the big one.
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I'm not used to the big one.
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I gotta be extremely careful with this one
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because I'm used to the smaller ones."
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But yeah, it worked fine.
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And the battery was great.
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That was my, like, something that I really noticed.
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And for all the other stuff, I think
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my comments from the past episodes are still the same.
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Yeah, definitely the battery life is--
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I have noticed, coming back to the 6,
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that the battery life is--
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I miss those extra hours, for sure.
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So yeah, so do we have any--
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Federico, do you have any closing thoughts on the 6+
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more than what we've covered in the past, or--
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Well, I still have a couple of weeks left to try it.
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So I think I'll save the final thoughts for the end.
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It's still an ongoing trial and experiment.
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I'm really liking the battery life in the camera.
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And of course, the screen, because it
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lets me see more at once.
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But it hasn't impacted my usage of the iPad,
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which is interesting, I think.
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I want to make these considerations at the end.
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That's more than fair.
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Like I said, I think I will be going to the bigger phone in the fall.
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Myke was right.
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Myke was right.
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That's 2015.
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It's the year of Myke being right.
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Last year was the year of Luigi.
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And also Myke being wrong.
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This year is the right time for you.
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like that. We're gonna get to the Apple Watch but we have some follow-up for the
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Apple Watch first. We had last week some price guessing and we said that we were
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going to apply the prices right rules to this which... Who won? Well so that's what
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we're gonna do. Basically the price is right rules are you cannot go over so so
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to back up we guessed the starting price for Apple Watch and Apple Watch Edition
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and if you go over you're disqualified you want to be under but as close as
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possible so for instance if the answer was $100 and I said 101 and Myke said
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$1 Myke would win which is a little crazy. These rules make no sense I wish I
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wouldn't have claimed Price is Right rules on this. Well so the chat room just
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provided us the Price is White Wikipedia entry or Price is White wiki, the rules to this.
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So let's do the Apple Watch first.
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So Federico you said it would be $699 to start on the stainless steel.
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Michael I believe you said $599 and I came in at the highest at $799 and if we were a
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game show this is where we would have some music but Myke where does the
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where does the Apple watch pricing start?
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Store.apple.com
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I'm doing the same thing I was hoping someone else was there.
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Store, I'm pressing the store button and now I'm pressing the watch button and now I'm
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pressing view models and pricing what are we looking at here like with sport band?
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yes so the Apple Watch starts at $549 yeah we were all higher than that okay
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well that's the 38 millimeter the 42 is $599 so we'll give it to you we'll give it to
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Myke yes we'll give it to Myke which is fine because you lose the next one okay
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Apple Watch Edition Federico you said $8,000 to start I said $6,999
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start and Myke Hurley went insane and said $15,000 to start.
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What did you say $15,000 to start?
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Because I wanted to get it in case it was above...
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See, I didn't understand the rules, otherwise I would have said $10,000.
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That's fine. So, Michael, where does the iPhone Watch... or iPhone... Apple Watch Edition...
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The iPhone Watch Edition starts at $10,000.
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So that would make SeƱor Vitechy the winner.
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so yeah uh so we have the gold yes so yes so federico wins a apple watch edition
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and mike wins a sports do i uh no you don't we can't afford that yeah i wonder i wonder 17 000
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one yeah it's uh you're gonna have to find a different 38 millimeter 18 carat rose gold case
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with rose gray modern buckle okay i'll get right on that for you buddy i'll just put that in my
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my budget for next month. Thank you. So we also spoke about the Pebble having a port for
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smart bands and there's been a lot of back and forth on this. Our buddy and really friend
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of the world Matthew Panzorino at TechCrunch has an article saying that the Apple Watch
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does have a what appears to be a diagnostic port inside the bottom of the case where the
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bottom part of the band slides in and maybe that could be used for something in the future.
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9to5 Mac says that that's there for testing and won't ship with that but then in the video
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Panzorino pointed out that it looks like the port is there like when they pan over all
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the steel cases in those crazy Johnny Ive videos.
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So no one knows but I do think that if it is there it is diagnostic like the USB port
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on the back of the Apple TV.
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I don't see this being some sort of way to have a band that does something clever in
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the future, at least in this generation of hardware.
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I'll say that at the event they didn't let people exchange bands.
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Yeah, I saw that.
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I was hoping someone would have tried that to see how easy it was.
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They were taking care of swapping the bands for you.
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Which is probably why they want to hide, you know, there's a diagnostic port on the units
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display at the event I guess. Right, yeah because I mean those display units could
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be you know Apple internal ones and not slated for retail. Maybe I didn't
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trust you and I thought you might run away with them. With a true band? Yeah.
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Probably. You get one of those gold ones buddy and you're in the money. Just yeah
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I mean yeah just just a band not the watch. Yeah the bands are all, well we'll
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get to that, but the bands are all cheaper than I thought they would be. So
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last bit of follow-up has to do with our end of the show topic last week where
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Federico you are having trouble basically getting your router to go on
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and off at night and in the morning automatically and listener Andrew wrote
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in and said sometimes a low tech solution is best and links to the
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clapper which if you're not familiar with the clapper it's a device that you
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plug like a lamp or something into and then you clap your hands and it turns on
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or off depending on its current status it's been made fun of a lot at least
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here in the States for being made mostly made for ancient people but maybe it
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could work for you Federico. I think you should get one.
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This is a good suggestion and speaking of the the Wemo switch that I mentioned
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was it last week? I feel like I don't remember anymore. Anyway I got two
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different types of feedback about the Wemo switch. The first type is that the
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timer that you set in the settings can only be activated over the web.
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So the timer is not local, but it's activated from the, like from your cloud
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account, from your Wemo account.
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That's insane.
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So, because you, so if I want to turn off my router, I cannot do that because the
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timer is not local in the, in the physical switch, which seems odd.
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It just seems like it's like, it's inefficient.
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It's counterproductive.
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The second type of feedback is that this is simply a bug, which was recently introduced in a version of the firmware of the balcony WIMO switch, and that should be resolved.
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Which would explain why, for me, sometimes it works and other times it doesn't work.
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So I don't know. Basically, I said, "No, maybe I should really get a clapper."
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Yeah, and maybe Clapper will support HomeKit so you could clap at your iPhone and turn off.
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I think there's a lot of untapped potential here.
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Clap at Siri.
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Press the button.
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Yeah, I think that's fine.
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So that is the follow-up this week, gentlemen.
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I have a very, very small topic.
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that I would like to talk about.
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- It's topic 0.5.
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- I just saw this go by today,
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that Apple is donating over $50 million
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to a couple of different charities,
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the Thurgood Marshall College Fund
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and the National Center for Women Information Technology,
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and this is to improve diversity in tech in general,
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and also to help Apple try and find new people
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and foster new talent to help them
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increase their own diversity in the future.
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I thought that this was incredible.
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I didn't really see many people talking about it.
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This happened yesterday as we were recording.
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And it just led me to say this one thing,
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that when I was reading this,
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and I've thought this for a while,
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I think I prefer Tim Cook's Apple to Steve's Apple
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for a lot of these types of things.
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I think as a company, they're a lot more responsible.
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They seem to at least outwardly do more for diversity
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seem to be even more concerned with the environment. And I think that like Steve
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Jobs wanted to change the world of his products and like you know change the
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world with you know the fact that the iPhone is here and that kind of thing
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but I feel like Tim Cook wants to actually have a greater impact on the
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world in that he wants you know not just changing it through shiny aluminium
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things but like set the bar for other companies to follow. Like ResearchKit
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which we'll talk about in a bit is like another example of it and it it's just a
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feeling that I've had for a while with a lot of the moves that Tim's made and I
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just think that it's so incredible to see the change that that he is making
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and whether Apple did this stuff or not before maybe they didn't talk about it I
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don't I understand that people say that I don't know how I feel about that I think if you do
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these kinds of things you do talk about them I just think it's I just think it's
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really cool and I'm just very very pleased that they're doing things like
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this because no no company has to nobody has to do it and I just like that they
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do and and I think that this is you know this is one of Tim Cook's things that he
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finds important. I totally agree you know they um I think when Cook first took
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over maybe we can dig this up there was a memo that came out that Apple was
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increasing what they would do for like matching charity stuff for employees
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and clearly that was just step one and I totally agree with you I think it's I
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think it's super great and I think it to a degree like large companies have
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responsibility because they have power and wealth to do good and I think that
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of course everyone could do more including Apple but I like to see that
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Apple is is making some moves and I think this is a great move and I think
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the other stuff that Tim has done over the last couple years is great and I
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really think he'll only ramp it up as time goes on.
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Yep I just I think it's really great I'm really great I think it's a fantastic
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thing to see but that was all it was just this this one little feeling that
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I've had for a while and I wanted to share it with the world and get ready
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for people to tell me things. Should we take a quick break thank our first
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Thank you so much SwiftSummit. I think this is a really cool thing that's happening and I love that it's in London.
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And if, you know, come on down to London and go to SwiftSummit. It's gonna be great.
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Topic zero point five point one
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Starts with a story and then we'll get to the news. So I've very often
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Wake up to text messages from one or the both of you because you're ahead of me by the time I'm up and moving
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It's you know midday mid morning midday for you
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So this morning I get text from Federico's like hey
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Have you heard the new death cap single and I said well, no, there's a new one. I haven't seen it
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And I said, "Oh, let me go download it from iTunes."
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I go to iTunes and I can't download it.
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I hit the buy button and it just spins and stares at me.
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And so I tell Federico this and he says, "Oh, well,
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I've been listening to it on streaming services."
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So I go to the app store and I can't download any apps.
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Can't download Spotify or RDO or Beats.
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And it was very sad for me because I wanted to listen
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to the song and I couldn't because turns
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out Apple has had a massive DNS issue today where iTunes connect and both app
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stores the iBook store and the iTunes store were all down. And the podcast directory. Podcast
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directory. This is sad for us as a feature today. We're all down for a while and I
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think they're back up now as we record now. They made a statement to CNBC
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saying that it was an internal DNS error in Apple. And so yeah, most of the day
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Apple stores and services offline, which is sad. Well did you listen to the song
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eventually? I did, I bought it and listened to it on the way home and it
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was quite enjoyable. I must just take a quick aside on this. So I opened the
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document today and I've seen Federico and Steven have been we're having a
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conversation in the show notes which says Federico to Steven hear the new
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DCFC song Steven no can't download it from iTunes frowny face Federico streaming
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services Steven I can't I can't download any apps no the conversation was over I
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message I basically just pasted it in here. We don't cover the show notes Myke. We're talking through together. I was very confused by this.
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Sorry about that. So yeah I mean and some people in the chat room saying iTunes
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Connect might still be down I don't have iTunes Connect account to verify that
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but definitely not a great day for the online for ADQ's online division at
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Apple but um you know what can you do at least they made a statement about what
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it was. Speaking of old Apple, Myke, I don't think old Apple would have made a
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statement about what specifically was wrong. It's working here.
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It's not wrong, it's just problematic for a limited number of users.
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There you go. It's not down.
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Right, so in between last week's episode and this week's episode, something insane
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happened. Federico, can you please tell us your story from Thursday?
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So, on Thursday I was invited by Apple to go to the event on Monday.
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It's when you hear those days!
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The event being in America, I didn't have a passport.
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And now I don't know if it's different internationally, but in Italy, you,
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uh, you at least need like two to three weeks, um, to get a passport for the
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United States and so of course, from Thursday to Monday, I will only have
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Friday to get a passport, which in my mind right there at the moment seemed impossible.
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So what I did was very much an Italian thing.
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I called my dad, who has a bunch of connections.
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Call three bells.
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Basically, without going into the details, I had a passport in 24 hours.
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And the name said Bob Stevens on it.
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No, no, it's actually my name.
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And on Friday morning, I went to apply for the passport.
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I did all the paperwork for a UJAM passport.
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And on Friday at lunch, I had the passport with me.
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So on Sunday, I left for America.
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And this is so crazy.
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I flew from Rome to London, from London to San Francisco, and I spent Monday at the event,
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then at San Francisco hanging out with a bunch of friends, including our own Jason Snell.
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On Sunday evening, I jumped back on a plane and I flew from San Francisco to London, and
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Basically, I left San Francisco at 9 p.m. on Monday,
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and I was in Rome at 10 p.m. on Tuesday.
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- Sounds fine.
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- Which was yesterday.
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- So on a scale of one to 10,
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how dead do you feel inside right now?
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- I think like 12.
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11 wouldn't be enough.
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I feel like, I told Myke and other people,
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I feel like I don't know where I am.
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everything feels strange.
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Moving from between two continents in two days
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can do strange things to your mind and to your brain
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and to your body.
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I think the best decision that I had during all this craziness
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happened so fast was to not sleep on the trip
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to San Francisco.
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Because when I got there, I was basically so tired that I slept overnight and I woke up in the morning ready for the day.
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Yeah, that's the trick. That is the trick.
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Also because I was kind of dumb and I couldn't figure out how to adjust my seat on the plane.
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So I just took there for 11 hours and I didn't move.
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And so I was like, okay, so I'm just gonna stay awake.
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So when I get there, when I get to the hotel,
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I'll be ready to sleep.
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And in the morning, I'll be ready for the day.
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And that strategy worked.
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So I was really happy.
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- It's a good life hack.
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- Yeah, I should start a blog.
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And so yeah, basically in two days,
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to America I'm back.
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I've been planning for years to go to America and now it's just like that two days.
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I would like to tell a couple of my favorite little tidbits of this whole experience of
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like getting you there.
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So I was very worried for Federico.
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Like a mother kind of worried.
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You're a worrier though.
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We've talked about this I think.
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Oh god yeah I really am.
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And I was so concerned for him because he'd never been to America before, he was going
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You've never been outside of Europe, have you?
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I mean Europe is big enough, there's lots of places, but because you have traveled outside
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of Italy many times.
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But I was very worried about Puerto Rico so I spent an hour with him on the phone talking
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through things like how to get through security and we were talking about
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airports and all this stuff I was giving him all the information I could I stayed
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awake until 3 a.m. in the morning to make sure he landed okay
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I was pretty worse than your mother
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My mother went to sleep you didn't
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I had all of your flights in my flight tracking app so it would tell me when you were taking off when you were landing
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was I was very concerned it was very concerned it's very sweet of you really
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I I was texting him on the morning on Monday morning to make sure he was awake
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I was just getting ready to call Federico when when he replied to me
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because I wanted to make sure that he was awake I was I was giving him
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directions to places like this is I was finding him blue bottle coffee and was
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telling him how he could get there and I was just very yeah very very concerned
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concerned for you Federica, I'm so happy that it all went very well for you.
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Myke was a huge help because I'm a, I'm a, you know, I come from a small town and
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I've never been outside of Europe and I, and I, I often say this, I can, I can get
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anxious and clumsy when it comes to, you know, paperwork and police officers.
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Like I start to be nervous and, and Myke told me everything that there was to
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know about, you know, getting into the States and replying to questions and how
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and how to address people.
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And also because I'm Italian,
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so I'm used to different interactions with people.
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So Myke is an expert when it comes to going to America
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from a European perspective.
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So it was a huge help, yeah.
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- Yeah, and what did you think of Blue Bottle Coffee,
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- It was good, it was actually good.
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I mean, it was an espresso.
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I went with Matthew Panzorino, which is awesome.
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And he told me to get the drip coffee, which was nice.
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Uh, not espresso and not the coffee that you get on the plane.
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Uh, so, you know, it wasn't in between.
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Uh, I still like my coffee short, you know, like I'm not used to
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these big cups of coffee.
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Uh, when I take you there, I'm going to make you drink that cold coffee.
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It's very good.
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They call it the new Orleans and it's
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- Sure, I will try everything, whatever,
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but just you can't beat Espresso.
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- But what did you think of San Francisco?
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I mean, I know you didn't get to see a lot of it.
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- I didn't get to see a lot,
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but I did get to walk by myself a lot to go places,
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especially when I need to get back to the plane.
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I basically had to walk from the Macworld offices
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where I went with Jason to record the surprise.
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- Oh yeah, where you gave me a heart attack on upgrade.
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So I walked from Macworld to my hotel, so I walked for like 20 minutes.
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It was strange because it was beautiful from looking at all the modern buildings.
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it makes an impression on you, at least on me.
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Like I'm not used to that type of modern architecture, you know, downtown, the city.
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I'm not used to that.
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Um, but also it was different, I think, in an unsettling way in that it's
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all so modern and new, whereas I'm used to the idea of, of a city center
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where you have the old stuff.
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Like you have the monuments and the churches and you know, all the narrow
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streets, you know, the corners and the fountains and San Francisco, at least
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the part I was in was all like, all the streets look the same, you know, like
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it's first, second, third street.
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And it's all like a, like a grid.
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It's not like a, like a complex.
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Um, map, you know, like Rome, it's all, you know, different places and squares.
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It's a grid.
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And it's like, it feels like a video game, you know?
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It feels like the map from GTA.
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And actually it's kind of like the map from GTA.
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- Well this, you know, Federico, obviously, you know,
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this all comes from the fact that America has no history.
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This is why it's like that.
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- Wow. - Wow.
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- San Francisco is a special place, you know?
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It's definitely not like where I'm from either.
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Definitely some things that are different,
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But I'm glad you had a good time.
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Next time, maybe you'll have some time
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to kind of explore a little bit.
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There's a lot of good stuff to do.
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- Yeah, it was really great, even if it was just 25 hours.
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I think I'm, I mean, I managed to get good pasta
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with Jason, Renee, Serenity, other cool people.
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- Do you remember the name of the place you went to?
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- Zero Zero.
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- Oh, they do great pizza there.
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Yep, I have a good 0-0 story from Myke was it Macworld?
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WBC a couple of years ago where a bunch of us went out to dinner and had a bunch of drinks
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and then a drunk Steven bought dinner for everybody and spent all of his budget.
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All of his budget.
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You were being so nice to everyone.
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Because that was super wasted.
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We had like 8 pizzas, dessert and drink and cocktails.
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Yeah I was like yeah 5-12's got it.
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0-0's good spot.
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So anyway, just in general, it feels really different from Italy.
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I don't know if all America is the same, but when I go to other countries in Europe, it's
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different from Italy, but you can tell it's Europe.
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And I don't know how to explain this, but maybe it's because you know that it's in Europe,
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but I think it also feels like Europe.
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When you go to America, it's really different.
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Yeah, but it also, when you go around in America, it feels like America. Like, at
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least to a non-American. And for everywhere that I've been, it's like, it's
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different, like it's all different, but it's all a little bit the same. Like, like
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it, like Europe is.
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Yeah. Anyways.
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Should we talk about the event?
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We're glad you're alive. Yeah, let's talk about the event.
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My thought is, I mean, we're now a couple days out, so people kind of know what happened,
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but can I talk about the points that jumped out at us?
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That makes sense for everybody, but maybe we should, uh, maybe we should start at the
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Maybe we should start with a break.
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Oh, that's even better.
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of people and that I did not expect the event to start with the Apple TV of all
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things Myke you and I were kind of chatting during the event and we were
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like what's happening because we were questioning whether there would be
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anything other than the watch right that was a question and then they start with
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probably the least important product like maybe if they brought the iPod out
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you know that might have also been a surprise yeah it'd been been nice guys
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we're just kidding about the iPod classic back and better than ever back
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and still and there's a picture of Steven the iPod iPod hack it that's
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right um so I guess the news is what 69 bucks which is pretty nice I think they
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Realizing they've got to compete with things like the Chromecast and like the the Amazon fire TV stick which is like four dollars
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Got a deal with HBO for HBO now, which is interesting. It's it's 15 bucks a month. So like I
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My like fundamental problem with core cutting is that to really save money?
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You have to steal that if you pay for
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Netflix and Hulu and HBO Go or HBO Now and all these little things like you end up paying
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You know what you did to Comcast for your TV, especially if you're buying stuff on iTunes and
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You know so HBO Now I think is a little more expensive than I was hoping but not more expensive than I was expecting really
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It's an exclusive for the Apple TV for what 90 days
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Says that right? I think I think it's three months. Yeah
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Yeah, 90 days and cost it also cost them a lot of stage time
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Yeah, I mean, yeah time we all love these TV shows right? Let me tell you yeah TV shows. I love super weird like
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Like oh, there's a teaser for Game of Thrones like very I'm not sure 90 days of exclusivity was worth everything
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They had to hand over at least they didn't make them drive robot cars around the stage
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It's still my all-time favorite awkward Apple keynote
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I think I did say that to you right it was this year's Anki Drive like yeah, yeah, oh man those guys
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I hope they're doing okay
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Got jumps on their tracks now
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So yeah, so the Apple TV 69 bucks still kind of what it's always been
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For one would like a Apple TV that ran better like I've got one and we like it
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But it's you know
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it's kind of sluggish at times. I might as well connect even though it's like hooked
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into my wired Ethernet network. Just a little strange sometimes. This doesn't
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quite work as well as it should but um I don't know. Yeah this is the Apple TV is
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a product that I've never really wanted.
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Is that why is that? Because you have a computer hooked up to your
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television right? Yeah but I don't ever really watch stuff on there. I did watch
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Apple event on there but that's like the only time I've ever done that. I just watch
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things on my laptop like I don't know. So you're not a big TV person anyway?
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No, no. So that's probably why you don't need an Apple TV. That's a good point.
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Or you don't want an Apple TV. It's like you know every every like I feel like every device that I own
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gets Netflix like just everything. Yeah it's everywhere. Like my toaster gets
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Netflix, the oven gets Netflix, everything gets Netflix. It's crazy. Yeah it's like
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Like, you know, this device has a screen.
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Of course it does.
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It's got Netflix too.
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Yeah, it's just obvious.
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I think it's interesting, the new pricing.
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Because I was talking to Jason the other day about, you know, I think we were on upgrade
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I guess they just want to sell them in the meantime because they have to be working on
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something new.
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And I guess in the meantime, there'll just be whatever, just sell them for $69.
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Yeah, I mean, I would, you have to imagine that at some point they have an update to
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that little hockey puck.
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You know, it's running an A5, it's sort of janky.
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I don't know.
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It feels like there's got to be something at some point.
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Anyways, let's talk about the MacBook.
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I guess that was next.
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This computer, man.
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What do we want to say about this?
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What do you guys think of the fact that they went with no physical ports other than USB-C?
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My feeling on this remains.
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Like okay, I think the problem with this device and doing this is that for it to be truly
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useful, you end up having to have something else.
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I couldn't use this computer as my computer because there are going to be times where
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I'm going to need to do X, Y or Z with it, right?
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So I'm going to need to maybe plug in a USB whilst I'm also charging, which means I'm
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going to have to have a dongle or like a other thing.
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And then at the point that I need to then bring other things along with me if I'm going
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on a trip, it kind of doesn't make it that great that it's that much thinner.
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I don't know.
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I'm not sure how I feel about it.
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I think one port is so difficult and Apple really didn't... they didn't give enough of
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a solution for if you need more than one.
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Just buy a $79 dongle that has two other ports on it that you can use.
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Alright, great.
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One USB port and either a HDMI or a DVI but then you have to use the other USB-C to charge
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there's not enough on even that like that it makes sense to me like you'd
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need a couple of USBs at least like just I don't know I don't know like I feel
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like sometimes I have enough problem with connectivity of a MacBook Pro yeah
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but I think the MacBook is not for you oh no I know that like but this I think
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that this I'm just saying that for me personally that's how I feel about it
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Like, I think I said this, like when we first were speaking about it, and I still feel this
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way that this is not the MacBook for now.
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This is the computer.
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This is Apple's vision of computers for the next five years in the same way that the MacBook
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It's like the MacBook Air was so underpowered, like this, this MacBook isn't so underpowered,
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but it is underpowered.
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It's constrained and we can talk about that in a bit.
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But it has some things on it that you're gonna see across their entire lines over the next
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few years, like this new USB connector, the Force Touch trackpad which is already on the
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MacBook Pros now, this new keyboard, like obviously this new screen technology that
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they're using, this new battery technology, like you're gonna, that's, this is like, we're
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building this now to show what the future's gonna be like, but they put it in this product
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that I think is only useful to a subset of people.
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Right and I mean the obvious parallel and again we talked we spoke about this a while back is that that original MacBook Air which was
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underpowered and had limited I/O and
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you know a sort of weird in some ways and and
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The MacBook just seems like the next step and that in that direction
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You know yes, I totally agree with you on the single USB C port like
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Everyone who buys one is gonna have a $80 dongle so they get USB and video and power, you know in and out and
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Do think it's an iCut, you know built with an iCut toward the future but like in five years
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I'm still gonna need to charge my iPhone while I'm at my desk, you know, like
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To me the power is the biggest thing not so much the the data I/O
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I could I could live without you know, some things I would be sad this but again this machine is not for me
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people are gonna need to charge their computer and their phone at the same time because that's the way the world works and and
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That's really where it falls down for me just in that really lowest common denominator use case
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this machine doesn't
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doesn't solve those problems and I think that's I
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Think if you're looking at this machine, you've really got to think about that sort of thing like, you know, I'm in the airport
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Right. I need to charge my computer and I need to charge my phone and there's only one
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Wall outlet what do I do? And I assume I'll be right in thinking that there isn't a lightning to USB C
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Cable, not that I have seen yet. I mean they're they're breakout
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So they have these dongles which look sort of like ATPs rumored hub a little bit
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So like this one I'm looking at has USB C. So that'd be for power in HDMI out and then regular USB out
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So you could you know, you could charge
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Your device and charge your phone back through this dongle
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But the thing's 80 bucks and I'm not sure everyone is gonna buy that right off the bat
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Think maybe it was something that they should have included in the box. I don't know
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You know that's not the way Apple rolls anymore
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But it just seems really limiting and like really frustrating ways in day to day life
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it is strange as a as a choice to
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You know to just go without physical ports, especially
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Because how you said Steven?
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What if I have an iPhone and I need to charge my phone and I only have one available
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Yeah, you got it. You better hope you bought that $80 dongle at the Apple Store
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Yeah, so maybe it should have been included but also on the other hand like
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When we talk about you know, this is how it's gonna be in the next five years
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I don't think the next you know
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the next few years are going to happen if you don't start making a point now.
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Oh, I agree with that.
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But Gen 1 put the adapter in the box.
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Yeah, but I think these sort of things need a big break at one point.
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Like you need to draw a line and say, "Okay, this is how it's going to be."
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So people can get used to it.
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In the meantime, you have other options available, like the MacBook Pro and the MacBook Air,
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But this is how it's gonna be. Because we don't know if in the next few years we'll still need like
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physical charging for an iPhone with the cable. That's the point. So maybe in five years
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there'll be wireless charging and then, you know, USB-C, only one plug in the... only one port in the MacBook, in the
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MacBook, just MacBook, will make sense.
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I mean, I guess we don't know. Because I cannot see the point from both sides. Like, it's super
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inconvenient and I need to buy this extra accessory, which is also 80 bucks, but also if you don't make a
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precise statement
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Change is always gonna be delayed. Yeah, I mean I get from a marketing perspective if you include the adapter in the box
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It's like why cut the ports out? Yeah, like
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We're gonna cut them out, but we're also gonna give you this thing because we believe you need them like
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You know, I get that from that is a mixed marketing message
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But then you know, maybe the adapter should be cheaper, but I have to say
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It's stunning
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Like oh, it looks really it's so beautiful and I love that keyboard and I love the use of San Francisco on the keyboard
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I think that looks incredible. I
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The it just looks yeah, man. It just looks so good Federico. Can you because you've used it, right?
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Can you tell us what it's like? Like what does it feel like? What's the weight? Like? What is that trackpad like?
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It's incredibly light.
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Like, I needed to... and I own a MacBook Air, so I'm used to a lightness in a Mac.
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But it's like, it's super light and you have this huge keyboard in front of you.
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The space grey looks fantastic, I think, but the best part for me was the trackpad and the first touch.
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Because we were talking with Jason, Myke, there is this illusion, right?
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When you try to apply pressure on the trackpad and you think you're actually going down into
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the trackpad because you feel physically that you're depressing, that you're applying pressure
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and you're going into the trackpad, you're going down.
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feel like you're moving an object down and you feel in your finger this feedback from
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the trackpad. And you're like, "Okay, I'm applying pressure, I feel it in my hand and
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I'm also seeing the results on the screen." But actually how it works is that there's
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this Taptic Engine that basically moves sideways and it gives you... but it makes it feel like
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you're going down vertically into the trackpad. And when I tried the trackpad, it felt like
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When I was applying different levels of pressure, it felt like I was moving my finger towards a little series of steps.
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Like I could feel little... it's not necessarily like clicks, but yeah, like a series of steps that I was moving into.
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But actually you're not moving into vertically down into anything. It's just feedback from this engine.
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So it doesn't physically move like at all? It just bounces back at you?
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It's so weird. The Taptic Engine makes it bounce sideways and it feels like it's moving vertically down into,
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like there's pressure moving into the trackpad.
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I need to try this because I feel like I understand the words you're saying, but I cannot think what that feels like.
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Yeah, I'm the same way.
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It is freaky and weird, but it really works. And it's awesome.
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I mean, I had to play for a couple of minutes.
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I tried with a bunch of apps.
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I tried with the Finder, with Mail.
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Basically every smart data detector from OS X,
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like addresses, HTTP links, calendar events, dates,
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that sort of stuff can be force touched.
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And it worked really well.
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And I think it has potential for changing how we think
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of the contextual menus and bring it up different options.
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It's a new gesture, so you can really think about the potential for apps and developers
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to plug into the APIs for Force Touch.
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To describe it, it's really freaky and weird, but it works.
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It's really well done.
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Honestly, it's really well done.
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No, no, I just wanted to say I can't wait for something like this to be available on
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iOS, on an iPhone, or on an iPad.
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That's next, right?
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Like, 7, maybe?
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Might be the iPhone 7.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of interesting things there with the iPad and drawing and
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I had just a comment and then a question.
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one is and I wrote this up on 512 but I find it really interesting that when you
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go to buy one of these things it's basically like buying an iPad you pick
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the color which by the way the space gray at least in the photos looks really
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awesome I don't know if in real life it looks as good as it does in photos but
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the space gray looks great it would be my jams but it's like an iPad so you
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pick the color and then you pick the capacity so on this thing there's two
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processor speeds and two SSD sizes and those are tied together so you pick kind
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of better or best and that's it like compare that to where you go to buy a
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MacBook Air and there's you know four different SKUs if you buy a MacBook Pro
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there's you know four or five different SKUs and you can be real fiddly and say
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I want this much RAM and I want this SSD but not that and it's all gone with this
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machine it's very much a more of a device than like computer sort of in
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some ways. I think it's really interesting. Do you think it's so locked down because of how...
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because of the insanity of the logic board? I think that my... I think it probably has a lot
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to do with it so they don't have a lot of different parts running around. So like both models have 8
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gigs of ram. And by the way like that that logic board thing I remember when the the the first
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Mac Air came out I was at Apple and we opened one... we had a guy buy one on day one and it
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it was dead out of the box and so we took it apart before we sent it back. We
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weren't supposed to but we did. And I remember being so blown away by the
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logic board in the original MacBook Air. It's like a whole Mac on this tiny little
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board and the one in this MacBook, this new MacBook, is just crazy. It's a third of the size, right?
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Yeah it's hard to imagine how they did that. Obviously they don't have the
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cooling stuff with the Intel Core M. They can run fanless but really impressive.
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Is that going to be hot though? I can imagine this machine will get
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warm but they're this this platform is shipping in a bunch of ultra books they
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run fanless and you know I haven't gone to take up any of those reviews or
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anything but I don't think it's like you know burning hot but I would imagine
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that it'll be warm. That MacBook Air, the original MacBook Air man, that could
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actually burn you. Yeah. My brother had one and he burnt his thigh once. That's
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- That's fine.
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- That's fine.
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So my question is, Federico,
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your MacBook Air is not in great shape.
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Is this a machine that you would consider
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replacing your MacBook Air with?
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I mean, it's the most basic Mac I can,
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portable Mac I can get.
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And it's got a retina screen,
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so it will be better for my eyes.
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And I would just need to get an adapter for, you know,
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when we record the podcast,
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because I need to charge and use USB for the microphone at the same time.
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But yeah, I guess when I'll be about to upgrade my MacBook, fine, I mean, it's got a broken keyboard,
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and eventually you gotta assume that the next few versions of OS X won't run nicely on this machine.
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I think that's the... because I mean if it doesn't...
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if things on iOS don't change, if I'll still be unable to
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do podcasts properly
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on an iPad, now please don't send me the ideas for
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microphones on iOS. Because we looked at all the options.
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That's not gonna work. If things don't change on iOS,
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I'll have to upgrade my Macbook and yes, I think I'll get the new
00:59:35
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the new MacBook. It's not as expensive as I thought it would have been either.
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Yeah it's not expensive. You're gonna get it in gold.
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No I'm gonna get it in space grey.
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So the price is interesting too, it's what 1200 bucks for the base model?
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Yeah $1299. So the MacBook Air
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the 11 inches $899
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and 1100 bucks and then the 13 inches $999
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and 1200 bucks so you can get a high-end 13-inch
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Air for the same cost as the low-end MacBook and they're the MacBook actually a little bit
01:00:09
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It's sort of a mixed bag. So the the MacBook Air is faster, but the MacBook has more RAM at that price point
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There's been a lot of people complaining about sort of you know, the Apple sort of mixing the lineup, you know
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The MacBook Air and the MacBook are really similar
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Now the MacBook Air has the Air name, but the MacBook is thinner and lighter. Yeah, the name is is
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I don't, I think it's a short term problem.
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And I think that, Hey, like I wouldn't let this keep you up at night.
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Um, I think what they've done is the Mac book air is now the, the introductory,
01:00:44
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you know, Hey, you want a Mac, you want the cheapest Mac you can get.
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That's a notebook.
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Hey, you know, buy this, this Mac book air for a thousand dollars.
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I think the value for money, the Mac book air is crazy.
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Like, um, I just bought a refurbished one, uh, or picked out a refurbished one,
01:00:59
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I should say for my brother and he got a heck of a lot of machine for 1,100 bucks. I mean, it's really crazy
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The MacBook is sitting above that in price, but below that in in
01:01:10
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Sort of functionality and power, but I think that's okay
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I think the MacBook will slowly eat into the MacBook Air line
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I think I can't imagine the 11-inch air will stay around
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I think as soon as Apple can do a 13-inch air at that $899 price point
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I think the 11 inch air is in trouble because
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you know, especially comparing the 11 inch compared to the 12 inch MacBook is a
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ridiculous machine
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I mean the 11 inch air we've got one at the house and it's not great like it's slow
01:01:40
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it's really chunky looking the screen is not very good and
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In all those metrics the MacBook is a lot better
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So I I think that these lines will sort of shimmy around over the next, you know
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year or two years and I think we'll end up in a place where
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I think the MacBook Air will probably still exist but on the low end and
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You know this this MacBook will be in the middle
01:02:03
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I do think the MacBook Air will get get thinner again at some point
01:02:06
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I think the name at this point isn't tied so much to weight and thickness
01:02:10
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I think if if you're freaking out about that you should so some for a walk someone wrote in a
01:02:15
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Circle maxis the they sent this in to upgrade early
01:02:19
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But thought it was interesting thing we talk about it now and he said it's interesting that like this naming
01:02:24
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convention kind of matches the watch now because like the cheapest one is like the sport which is kind of like the air and then
01:02:32
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Yeah, the titular product is the middle one, which is the MacBook, right?
01:02:36
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That's the like but it's the middle of the road one and then you have like the pro and the addition at the top end
01:02:41
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So it was quite interesting. It does kind of mirror that I don't think that that was intentional but it is interesting that it does that
01:02:47
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Yeah, and and like I said, I think I mean if Apple had seen this machine coming, you know
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in 2011 when they redid the Air maybe that would have become the MacBook and
01:02:58
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they reserve the name for this but yeah you know these things happen right these
01:03:02
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product names don't really mean anything and they could they could have just
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flipped the flip-flop the names right they've actually the new MacBook Air
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right or they could have given this the Air name and rebadged the the old ones I
01:03:14
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mean they've done all sorts of weird things in the past but uh you know it's
01:03:17
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it'll be interesting how this plays out but I fully expect the MacBook Air line
01:03:21
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to not exist as it does today.
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And the new MacBook Air, the new MacBook Air with Retina display.
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Yeah, it could.
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I mean, that was the rumor, right?
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People were thinking it'd be MacBook Air.
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I wanted to ask you, can you imagine our reactions?
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Hadn't this Mac leaked anywhere before?
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We all like people would have been would have gone crazy on Monday.
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and instead just a couple of months ago we knew exactly how because uh the leak from
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925 Mac was basically perfect I think like he was dead on except for the uh power button
01:03:59
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being on the wrong side of the keyboard thank god yeah well big deal no I'm really glad
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he was wrong about that I mean yeah even the colors uh I think they I feel like yeah it
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was crazy I feel like they said smaller key caps though not larger uh I think but I think
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I don't know. He got it. That is much much stuff. Like yeah, right
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Yeah, I mean right like he you know, they when they said there's a new MacBook. I was like, oh well
01:04:25
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This is garments computer. So the dicks the magic out of it. We talked about that before she called a germac
01:04:31
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I think that would make everyone Apple dying. Oh, no, we can call it that they don't have to call it that
01:04:37
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No, so we're not Casey giving
01:04:43
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I bet you guys cash money that he calls it the gold book at some point atp tonight
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Like we just have a little have a little I don't know one in the chair
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I'm tip him off because I would like someone to pay me money for that
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The gold Mac retina the gold mac, right?
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Yeah, good man. Right now retina gold Mac. That's terrible. We love you Casey, but
01:05:08
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So so Federico this machine I thought of you
01:05:12
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you know your iOS primarily you just need a Mac sometimes. I think the other use case
01:05:18
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for this or sort of the general use case for this is you know it's someone who I think
01:05:26
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the MacBook Air is going to be you know what students pick up what a lot of like like our
01:05:30
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entire small business at my day job runs with MacBook Airs like almost everyone has one.
01:05:35
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I think this thing is going to be really popular for people who travel.
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Yeah, this is the Traveler's computer.
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Like if I, if I didn't, if I use the Mac Pro as like the machine that I do most
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of my work on, I would buy one of these for travel.
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And I, I even had the thought today, I was talking with the other friend and, uh,
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he's looking to buy a new iMac.
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And so we were kind of talking about the pros and cons of the Retina iMac.
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And, and I haven't said, you know, like if I had a desktop set up, you know,
01:06:02
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I would own a Retina iMac and I would probably own one of these.
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It's just like my take it to the coffee shop and write machine.
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You know right now I've got a MacBook Pro and I kind of use it as a desktop most of
01:06:13
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So like I can see this also for people in two machine setups maybe someone like Snell
01:06:17
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who you know has a Retina iMac who you know also needs a notebook sometimes.
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I think it would be hard for at least any of the three of us.
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I think even Federico you might run into some of these limitations but I definitely couldn't
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live on this machine as my only computer.
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As much as I desire it, I know that it would be endlessly frustrating because I've got
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displays and external drives and a Thunderbolt dock and all this crazy stuff hooked up that
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this machine just can't do.
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Should we take a break and then talk about the watch?
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So the watch.
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They talked about it.
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They showed it off.
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complained on Twitter that
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Apple didn't tell the story of the watch and I think I'd missed that in the live blog and maybe
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Frederick you can speak to how it was
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You actually hate watching the even itself, but and watching the keynote of the night
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I think they did tell the story better. They said yeah, I got three pillars right they have timekeeping they have communication
01:09:38
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No, that was that was in the original one
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But but it was but it was a story and story was what Kevin Lynch did that that is the key part
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I've gone back and watched that like because what he did was exactly what I was looking for
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was he showed you a day in the life of what it's like to use this device and the small parts where
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It can can work for you. I remember remember a long time ago where me and Federico
01:10:02
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Came to a knife fight over the Android wear video
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We talked about the airport that spoke to me
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Whether it did anybody else because I looked at it and could see the daily interactions that you have
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where you can use something like this to connect you to your information and I
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think that that they did that he did and I think Kevin Lynch is a great presenter
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by the way. He's a lot better than he was. I think he's very entertaining and he
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seems very like familiar with the product like it was very obviously he
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would be but it just really came across like you know he was like yeah this is how you do all this stuff.
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And he was funny as well like as much as he needed to be it was it was all good I
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I really enjoyed his presentation, but I loved all of those little moments like showing the hotel room stuff and the garage door opening
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and showing the, you know, being able to scan into American Airlines by using the QR code and all that stuff.
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That to me really got me excited. It definitely, definitely did.
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Yeah, I mean I didn't mean to discount his his appearance but you know that they broke
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it up into timekeeping, communication, and fitness and I think that's like if you think
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about it this device revolves around those three things it's not as strong as the iPod
01:11:22
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phone internet communicator of 2007 but clearly they're trying to kindle that sort of you
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know these are three categories that this thing falls into and I think his demos played
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into that really well. A good mix of of those things and I think they did a
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better job than than I had I had realized in that. I do think they answered the
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question pretty well of, you know, like you said Myke, what does this thing look
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like in everyday life? And you know we've all seen these these comments we've
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gotten some emails about it of, you know, "Well you could do everything in his
01:12:01
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presentation with your phone and yes, you can, but the point is that you can do it more
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discreetly, more easily, and sort of in a new way on the watch, which is really the
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whole point of this thing is to make these things quicker and easier to deal with so
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you're not dealing with them but you're out in the world doing things, which is good,
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I think the fact that they're showing like three, what they consider the three basic
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features or use cases for the watch.
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I think that makes sense when you want to say, okay, we made it, we made this device
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for these basic features.
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But also what Apple is saying is I think these are the basics, but everything else will be
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made possible by software, by apps. So it's not like they're saying "look, we made this
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thing with three features and that's it". And also they're not saying "we don't know
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what the..." because I saw a lot of people saying "Apple is not telling us what the watch
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is for". And that's not possible. And that also misses the point. Because I think, if
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anything it shows that Apple has learned from the history of the App Store. In seven years
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almost of the App Store, we possibly couldn't have imagined what the iPhone would turn out
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to be. Because it can be so many things, right? And it's not like today, at the beginning
01:13:33
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of the show they had this big slide where I think Tim Cook said the iPhone is now so
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many things. And there was a slide with a bunch of photos of an iPhone running so many
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different apps. So it can be a fitness tracker, it can be email calendar, FaceTime, phone,
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basically it's a computer, right? But it's a different type of computer. And I think
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the same will happen with the watch. So they're saying internally, we made it for three use
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cases in mind. But also, we made it for others to make apps for. So what it will turn out
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to be, we don't know. And where some people see a negative in that, I see the exact opposite.
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I see insane potential because now that you're free from the constraint of saying "I have
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to find a single use case", you can be whatever you want.
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The point is, what we should be arguing about is, do we believe that a wearable device that
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is in constant connection with our skin, do we think that's the right way to go for technology?
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That's the question, I think, not "Is Apple telling us the story of the watch?"
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The question is, "Is this the future to make the technology personal and useful in this
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If it is, I think there's no need to tell a single story, because there won't be a single
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Just like there's no single story with the iPhone, because every time you ask somebody,
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"Hey, what do you use your iPhone for?"
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Everyone has a different answer, and I think the same will happen with the watch.
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I've been thinking a lot about this because I saw so many people saying Apple is not telling us the use for the watch.
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There's no single use for the watch.
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The basic question is, is this the right idea to have a wearable device?
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Just like it was with the iPhone. Is this the right idea to have a big screen and you use touch?
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I think most of the tech press isn't seeing this basic point.
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I've been thinking about it a lot. I get that. I do too, but I think
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the time is a factor, but in a way that, not in the way that you
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described, but we all now have different stories of what we do on our phones
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because we have had the App Store for seven years, but if you go back to what
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they originally showed off the phone, it was very much about those core
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functionalities because that's all it had. Now what's different is that the
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watch is standing on the shoulders of the smartphone, it's got apps, it's got
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these things, it's starting further down the road than the phone did and I think
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that's where that disconnect comes in. You know smartphone did browsing, email,
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some photo stuff, but that was really about it. Where this thing, I think
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because the answers are more varied people get more nervous about the
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question. I'm not saying that's fair but I think it's when I think about it
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that's kind of the difference is that this thing is coming into a market that
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we already understand to a degree where the smartphone was sort of a different
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era of you know these personal computing devices so I think it will do well I
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mean I agree with you I think the potential of this thing is is crazy but
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I don't know if the setting in which it is coming to the world is the same as a smartphone.
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So why don't we...
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The software and stuff's interesting, some stuff has changed, some stuff has stayed the same,
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but one of the key pieces of information that we have
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now that we've been questioning
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was the bands and the pricing. So we have that information now, and it's not what we expected.
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So effectively, I mean, I think the prices are, I think in general maybe cheaper than
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most people expected, not by a lot, but like it fell under a lot of guesses and/or around
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the kind of level that we thought it was going to be at.
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But I think more interestingly, it seems that there is going to be, like you'll be able
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to buy a selection, not all, but a selection of bands for any and all device. So like for
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example I could buy a sport and Milanese loop if I wanted to. I like how you say that. I've
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been practicing. That's good. Yeah and you're right, I mean we've got the link to the show
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notes. Apple has all this up on their store. For instance I really like the look of the
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black stainless steel watch with the black link bracelet but you can't, the link bracelet
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you can buy is only the silver one if you go you know just to buying that the
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band itself so it's definitely still not as free-flowing as some people thought
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but it's definitely more flexible than rumors late in the game would have would
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have said. So now we know the prices now we have a bit more information where do
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we stand so I mean Federico I'm gonna leave you to last because you're the
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most informed of the three of us. Okay. Because you've actually seen them but
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Stephen what do you what are you thinking now what are you gonna what on
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April 10th what is gonna be your order it will be the black Apple watch sport
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probably in 42 millimeter I do like I said I do really like the black
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stainless steel with the black link bracelet but it's like a thousand
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dollars and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna spend that so I'm gonna go with the the
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black sport. So I'm gonna buy the sport with the blue band but I'm also
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gonna buy a black band like the sports band which is what I'll probably wear
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most of the time or and maybe later I want to try these out first and get
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maybe get one later like maybe get the lead the classic leather buckle yeah I
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think that looks really nice I'm gonna go 42 millimeter and the reason I'm
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gonna do this is because it turns out the Apple watch 42 is exactly the same
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size there are thereabouts as my pebble steel nice like but I'd looked at it
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like so the steel is 46 by 34 we have and it's 10.5 millimeters thick and the
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Apple watch is 35.9 by 42 like 42 high and 35.9 wide so it's it they're
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effectively the same which is really interesting because it looks much bigger.
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Yeah my only problem with the mixing and matching because I do want to go with
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the black sports the black case is that a lot of these other bands have the
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lighter metal on the sides like if I were to go with the like the the loop or
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something I worry about how that seam is going to look like if the matching on
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the side so I don't know I mean I'm gonna buy the black one I might pick up
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the white band down the road staff something a little bit different seems
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to be less of a big deal on the sports bands but well I think I think some
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bands you can actually choose to have the right color the black or the silver
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but at least in one color at least you can do that I saw. Yeah so it'll be in
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the black one you can it looks like but it'll be interesting to see I think
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it'll be fun to mix and match a little bit. So now what about you Federico and
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what was it like using one? I was expecting the watch to be much bigger
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It was smaller than I was expecting and it really felt great I think.
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I tried the Milanese loop and it was super smooth and soft.
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It feels like fabric, it doesn't feel like it's actually made of metal.
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So originally I was offered a 38 model and it was really tiny for my wrist.
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So I asked for a 42 one and it felt just right.
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It didn't feel too big at all.
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And I think, like, the first minute I was a bit, like, confused because I was expecting
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some sort of an iOS kind of structure of the operating system.
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And it's different.
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The way that stuff is arranged from a pure architectural perspective in the software,
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like what is up, what is down, what is sideways, it's different.
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So it takes a minute to get used to.
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And also, I think just a couple of minutes at a demo area don't make for the best way
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to get used to that.
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But the device itself, well, depending of course on the bands and the model that you
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try, I think it feels great.
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So I tried the Apple Watch, the steel one with the Milanese loop, but what I want to
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get for myself is the steel space grey with two bands.
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I want to get one rubber band for when I exercise and the link bracelet for when I go out and
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I try to be fancy.
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- And you party.
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- When I party, yeah.
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I go places.
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I've been kind of turned off this deal because a lot of the pictures that I've seen, it looks
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There's a picture from someone that I follow on Twitter that really gives you the idea
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of the Space Gray.
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Because when you see it up close, I think it looks great.
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So now I'm trying to find this picture.
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I will send you the link when I find it.
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So I think, like, I'm sure that part of my problem is that my, I mean, we talked about
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this before, my hands are big.
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So when I tried to tap on the screen, I felt a little like, okay, I need to be careful
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So navigating the home screen can be a little different than, of course, you know, than
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And also trying to understand that you need to go back to the watch face to look at the
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glances that can take a while because if you think of glances as widgets like I was, you
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assume that you can activate glances from anywhere because on iOS you can activate widgets
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from anywhere or you can activate control center from anywhere.
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But instead glances are only like at the bottom of the watch face.
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So now I don't know if it's a good idea to split up the software components in this way.
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But it's only at the bottom of the...
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When you say the watch face, you mean like when you're looking at the clock, not like
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the whole time.
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Yeah, the clock.
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That was in the Verge's hand on, and I found that interesting.
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And Patel was basically like, "That's a little confusing, and I wonder how much that will
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get tweaked over time."
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But having glances just...
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Yeah, that's what I was doing too.
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what you have to do is you think of glances as a subset of the of the clock
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face which doesn't make a lot of sense to me I agree with you I think it should
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be available from anywhere now again you've only used it for a couple minutes
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I haven't used it and so maybe once you're into it that makes a lot of sense
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can I but it seems like an opposing thought on that like so I agree that
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it's confusing but like maybe feel like I can see some of the thinking in it so
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yeah glances are meant to be quick pieces of information right so they're
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the things that were there when you just turn on the watch once you've not used it for a while.
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Once you're past the watch phase, you use the apps to get the information?
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Yeah, exactly. So there's a basic problem here. Because it's been seven months and we didn't get
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any additional information from Apple, we've all been used to think of Glances as the iOS widgets.
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And so we kind of tricked ourselves into the mindset of saying, "Okay, glances are just like
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widgets." So we basically convinced our brains that you can activate glances from anywhere.
01:26:04
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So when you see the demo and it's only from the, let's call it the lock screen, so the clock,
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you're like, "Oh my god, this doesn't make any sense because I want to look at glances from
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any screen." But it's just like how Myke said, when you're not in the clock, when you're not
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in the watch face you have the apps, which are supposed to be quick interactions anyway.
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So it makes sense because when you wear the watch, the watch face, the clock,
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the screen turns on when you rotate the wrist, when you actually want to look at the watch. So
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it turns on and off, and that's been done super well, at least in my tests. I move my wrist,
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just a rotation movement and it turns on. So from there you look at glances and when you accept the
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fact that it's only like because the watch face is the place where you want to have a quick peek
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at information it makes sense to have the glances there. I think we all just need you know a bit of
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time to to get used to this stuff because it's been seven months and we kind of because you know
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nerds are always in need for an explanation.
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We don't like to be left in the dark.
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So in the past seven months, we just built this image
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of how the watch OS architecture was like.
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And it's quite a bit different from our imagination.
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So of course, tech bloggers, when they got to the event,
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everybody freaks out because it's different.
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And because it takes a little time.
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I think once the watch units go out to reviewers,
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viewers, I think it'll... and they'll have more time with advice, I think it'll
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make more sense. And Myke, you absolutely nailed this point of the
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watch, face and the glances.
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So like, I don't know how I will feel about it, but it's just like when I
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when I heard that, when I read that, that was just where my brain went. It was like
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this, if I was gonna think of why they made this decision, that might be it.
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And then like you think the clue is in the name with glances. I don't know. Yeah
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Federica that that picture in the show notes from Twitter. Is that the aluminum or the steel? That's the aluminum. I
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Because I was looking at Twitter right and this guy says that it's the steel one the space gray one
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And I don't remember being as shiny as the people are saying on Twitter
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I mean it is shiny.
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Space grey is what they call the aluminum.
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I mean this is part of the problem right?
01:28:41
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There's like 38 SKUs of this thing and it's hard to talk about but...
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Yeah it's a little confusing to remember all the model names and stuff.
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Yeah I mean this definitely looks flatter than some of them.
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When you go to the... in the demo room like I was able to look at all the watches.
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so many of them. It really takes a bit of time to understand what every watch is like
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and what every band is like.
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So yeah, I think this one may be the sport one actually, so aluminum, and I think it
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looks nice. But also the link bracelet and the Milanese, when you see them in person
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they look great. So I don't know. I think to make sure, because I really like those
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bands, especially the Link bracelet. So I think I'll go with the steel one, even if
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it's a bit shinier and therefore a little more subject to fingerprints and stuff. But
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the Link bracelet and the Minelaser, they are amazing.
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One thing that I hope is that the bands remain usable on the next version and they have a
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whole new set and then the ones that we have currently are called the 2015 edition and
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then the next ones are the 2016 collection.
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I think that would be really nice if they did that and that they were still usable because
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in theory, at least for version 2, the sizes aren't going to change so I think that that
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would be nice if they kept those and I hope that that's the case. Yeah I would
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I would imagine that that they would at least for a while. I think so I think so
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yeah. But we don't know I mean this is there's so many things that are new and
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weird about this like we haven't even talked about the gold one which is crazy
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and expensive and not a tech product but a fashion lifestyle product there's just
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lot of questions here and I think as we go further into this like I mean I don't
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I don't even I'm not even sold to myself this is gonna be an annual update like
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the other bits of hardware I mean it's my part of me thinks this could be on a
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longer refresh cycle than the other. I hadn't even thought of that. Like yeah there's nothing to say
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this there needs to be one of these every year. Yeah I mean I don't I don't
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know because this is uncharted territory. Again like they could they could not
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update the watch but update the bands like yeah to do whatever they want they
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could they could have they could have seasonal band updates like field notes
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you just get a subscription well more just like fashion but yeah sure yeah
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that would make sense to me like as well that these are the spring collection and
01:31:21
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there might be a fork right yeah I hope I get a camouflage one that'd be awesome
01:31:25
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I'm just kidding just kidding well there's the real there's the real watch
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apps coming in theory like native apps right that could be a big update yeah
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yeah do we want to talk about the addition I do want to point out that
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that Myke you were right last week you said again Myke as you've been right
01:31:44
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just all right you said last week that you you had a thought that not even all
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Apple retail stores would get the the watch edition I wrote about that last
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week saying the Apple Store is the wrong place to sell such a watch because the
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Apple Store is it's not a jewelry store it's it's a very different thing. So you
01:32:10
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were right about that it seems like Apple Apple said that the watch edition
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will be available at select retail locations. They didn't really get into
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what that means. There's been some talk of some pop-up
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watch shops that might get them, some jewelry stores might get them. We don't
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really know quite yet but you know watching the watching the video when you
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know Tim says and it starts at $10,000 the room is just kind of silent like
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Federico was that an uncomfortable moment in the room when that price point
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came out? No there was some like some some people whispering and you know just
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say I think most people just knew and I guess most people were saying John
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Gruber was right. Yeah I think if they would have said that in September there
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would have been uproar. But at this point, everyone in that room knows what Gruber said.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like, I remember the first thing I said to the other,
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to some friends after the event was like, "Yeah, John was right."
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I was about that one though.
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Yeah, it was the first big claim from John about the addition of $10,000. But yeah, he was right.
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yeah um and i think it's fine i mean i think that you know there there's been people complaining
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about that but again i don't think that i don't think the watch edition is that a tech product
01:33:28
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i don't think it should be thought in the same way as uh that's the sport that's just how fashion
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works yeah even if it's even if it's the same object you pay for the different material you
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pay for the exclusivity you pay for the premium treatment you know it's just how it works it's
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It's been this way for hundreds of years in the fashion business.
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So it's really no surprise.
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I saw this somewhere, either a tweet or a post, I can't remember now where and I hate
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it when I do that, but someone said like if you are in the kind of world where you own
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$10,000 watches, right, if that's the thing that you own and you're interested in this
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product you don't want to have to buy a product that you wear in the day and
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then when you go out in the evening you have to take it off and then put your
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expensive watch on like to go out you just want to have your watch on all the
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time so that's why this exists and like that is could be one of the reasons that
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Apple made it is so that people that want to spend that amount of money they
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can just wear their Apple watch because it's kind of embarrassing for Apple to
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be like you know these like fancy people they don't wear it when they're out and
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about on the town because it's not expensive enough and it kind of makes sense to me that
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I see and that sounds kind of weird but like I kind of get that like if you want to make
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this kind of product and you want to get everyone you kind of got to go out there a little bit
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yeah you know I mean it it's a it's this weird new field for Apple because when you make
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computers, when you make consumer electronics, most people tend to buy based on utility.
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So they look at the tech specs, they look at the price, and they consider what they
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But when you enter the fashion field, most people tend to buy irrationally.
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So they tend to buy, not necessarily because I need a bag, because I need to put stuff
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into the bag.
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So you could buy a $20 bag.
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Or you could buy the $5,000 Gucci bag because you like it and because you want to make a
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And that's the kind of mindset that most followers of the Apple news cycle have been struggling
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to understand.
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Because it doesn't make sense to them to spend $10,000 on effectively the same watch, only
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the material changes.
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And yes, it doesn't make sense, that's the point, it doesn't have to make sense.
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That's just how people who have that kind of disposable income to spend on a watch,
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that's just how they're gonna do, you know, they just buy stuff because they can.
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And once you accept the fact that fashion is unlike technology and that this is a new,
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Interesting combination of two worlds meshing together
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It did it sort of makes sense. And I think it's it. I mean, it's um, it's no surprise really
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Yeah, I agree and it's you know
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If someone wants to drop that kind of money on this like more power to them
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But I think Apple I think Apple is being realistic about it. That's why there's one that's three hundred and forty nine dollars
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You know, that's yeah
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I think the sport one will be very popular, at least in our circles.
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Absolutely. No, I mean my mother for reasons. She's like, "I love the gold one.
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It looks beautiful, of course, but I'm gonna get the sport one because I
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want the Apple Watch because I think it looks nice. I don't have $10,000 to spend
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on a gold watch, but I just want the Apple Watch, so I'll get the rubber band,
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which is nice. It's available in multiple colors." And I think that's like
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the reasoning that most people will have.
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Cool. Anything else we want to talk about?
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Anything, any parting thoughts Federico from you having made the journey?
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It was really quite an experience and I came away, I mean
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maybe it was the, you know, all the excitement because when you're there
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and you meet all these people, it's really like it gives you all these positive feelings, right?
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And you're all excited for stuff. But also, I haven't published all my thoughts because I
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wanted to really consider what I saw. And I'm really, really excited for the watch.
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because I think that from my perspective I'll be primarily interested in communication and fitness stuff.
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Not necessarily about timekeeping because I pretty much already...
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every day my schedule is mostly already organized, so I really don't need to manage my time better.
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But communication and fitness will be huge for me.
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And after what I saw, after the demos and trying to watch,
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and looking at the early apps and talking to people
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and talking to developers who are making more software
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for the watch, I really can't wait to try one.
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I think it is the right idea.
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I think I was very much wrong on many aspects
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when I talked to Myke, when I almost had a fight with Myke
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about smartwatches, I think I was, yes, Myke was right.
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And I think I was wrong on some aspects.
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I think I was right on the health and fitness stuff.
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And I think that there'll be even more coming in the future.
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So I'm really excited for the watch, yeah.
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- I'm really excited too.
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And I'm so, so, so happy
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that you got to be there, Federico.
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Just so incredibly happy about it.
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And I know that so many people listening were,
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I had a great day planning out and sharing your travels,
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spotting you in crowds. - Yeah, it was awesome.
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- Did you see the one where I drew the arrow over your head?
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- Yeah, how did you find me there?
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- Someone else did, I can't remember who.
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I put it in the tweet, like it wasn't me that found that one.
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- That was crazy.
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- But I liked it, and yeah, that was a lot,
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I had a lot of fun doing that and being involved
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in the incredibleness that was happening that day, so.
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- Yeah, I know that, I know that,
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we say this stuff often when there's always a big event
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where you get to meet people.
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But for me, it was the first time, right,
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to switch from Twitter mode to real life mode.
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And it was really an experience because I'm not used to,
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like I've been doing this for six years, since 2009,
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and I've never ever met people in real life before.
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So I've basically, I've condensed all these years
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of online interactions into a single,
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like 10 hours with people and it was really too much to take in all at once.
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And it was really amazing to get to know all these people and, you
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know bloggers and developers.
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There was people who got to shake my hand while, you know, outside of the
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year, but when it was really, it was really amazing and I want to do more of this.
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Well, you have to be at WWDC.
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It's like a brawling now.
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- I know, I know.
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- It's a brawl.
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It's an official rule.
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- I guess that's about it then for this week.
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If you'd like to find show notes for today's episode, go to relay.fm/connected/30.
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If you'd like to find us all online, there's a couple of ways you can do that.
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Mr. Stephen Hackett, he's the man in charge over at 512pixels.net, and he is @ismh on
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We have Mr Federico Vatici too at Vatici, V-I-T-I-C-C-I, as well as the host of this
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He's also the host of Virtual with me on Relay FM and also the editor-in-chief of MacStories.net.
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And I am Myke Hurley, I am at iMyke, I am YKE, and you can find many shows that I do,
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including this one of course at thefantasticrelay.fm.
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Oh, I didn't mention, we spoke about that talk that I gave at the Apple Store, that's
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now on the internet.
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I'll put a link to that in the show notes as well.
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There will be an iTunes link, but
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you can find it. I think it's kind of searchable in most apps now
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because it's in the iTunes store so I think that's kind of how that tends to work.
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Thanks again to our sponsors for this week, our friends over at
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Hover and SaneBox and also
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Swift Summit. Don't forget Swift Summit, it would be a great thing for people to come
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along and learn about Swift. But until next week, thank you so much for
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listening. Bye bye now.