31: They're My Clapping Phones
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From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 31.
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Today's show is brought to you by Igloo, an internet you'll actually like,
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My name is Myke Curley and I'm joined as always by the co-founder of Relay FM and editor-in-chief
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of 512pixels.net, Mr. Steven Hackett. That sounded so official. I know, I like to do that now. I've
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decided I want to be official. And I'm also joined by the illustrious emperor of Macstories.net,
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Mr. Federico Vittucci. That's quite the introduction, Myke. Anytime. Hi, co-founders and
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editors-in-chief. Hi. And I am but a mere peon in this organization but I'm also
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happy to be here. You should be an editor and editor-in-chief of something Myke.
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Of my bedroom. Okay that makes sense. I mean it's good for you. Yes, yes it is indeed.
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This sounds weird, way weird. Let's just go straight into follow-up. That's good
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because we have a lot of follow-up this week. Up first we have some artwork
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who came to us over the Twitter social stream by Nicholas Ward and it is me
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saying that Myke was right. It's horrifying though. Okay so I'm just gonna
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say it can you explain this to me guys because I don't get it what is it?
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I'm guessing it's Star Wars related?
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It is. I am in the Darth Vader suit and Myke is Luke and he's holding me as I die.
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And it's a Star Wars reference.
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So Darth Vader is the bad guy.
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And you're the bad guy. And who's Myke?
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Luke Skywalker.
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And like it's his son, right?
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Yeah. Yes. Spoiler alert. 30 years later.
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But yes for the one person that is remaining listening. Thank you
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Is this like is this supposed to be funny?
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Because I mean there's your faces that that's funny
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But like I don't get it is this like a scene from the movie
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It has to be a scene from the movie. Yes, they it is
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the redemption of Darth Vader on his deathbed
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Does he say I love you before dying
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What does he say? I don't say that to each other. In theory I should be Darth Vader.
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Yeah, you're definitely taller than I am so. Well no because like I am redeemed.
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Oh yeah, try again Nicholas.
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Moving on we talked last week about HBO Now, which is how Apple led off their keynote slash
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commercial for Game of Thrones event last week
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Mm-hmm, and I wanted to point out that on rocket last week episode 9
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They had a really great conversation about HBO now Christina Warren is very knowledgeable about everything it turns out but especially about HBO and
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It's really a really great conversation into their business model and some theories about why this is happening now
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Yeah, cuz it turns out Christina was in a documentary about HBO
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Which is the most meta thing in the world, I think but super awesome nice piece of follow-out there Steven to follow out
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We have some more follow-out later. Okay, which is the term that some guy made up
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We had a question
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The a tweet came in from listener Matt
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asking if we thought Apple was getting 30% of the HBO now fees and
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And I would normally say yes, because Apple's drawn a real strong line in the sand with
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very famously the Amazon ebook deal and some other things where they've taken 30% out of everything.
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But who knows what Apple had to do to get this? We talked last week about how it was super weird
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that Tim Cook was like, "This is the TV you should watch." So it would not surprise me if Apple is
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not taking 30%. Or maybe to take 30% that this is what they had to do.
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Yeah, I mean who knows? Like there's any number of situations could have gone
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down. So I mean even a rocket they're talking about you know it's very likely
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that that Apple paid HBO for this deal and so maybe they paid them a lump sum
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and they're making their you know trying to make the money back on Apple TV
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hardware sales or just trying to elevate that brand. It's very unusual for Apple
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to do what it did on stage so I think because of that like there's no telling
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what happened behind the scenes. I thought was just an interesting question.
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Yeah he is. We have some very important safety related follow-up Federico so
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this is for you. So a friend of the show and of all humanity Seth Clifford
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wrote in and was talking about the clapper and he sort of tweet stormed us
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so there's like I think there's like four tweets in here and he talks about
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how the clapper has a sensitivity dial and so it you could get a situation
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where if you buy a clapper to turn your router on and off like we spoke about a
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couple weeks ago that if you set that dial too high like walking across the
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floor might be enough to turn your router on and off in quick succession
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which is not super great for the router so I just wanted you to be careful yeah
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I don't want you to burn your house down with your router catching fire
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sounds like a really bad idea. Or a great idea. To burn my house? No that would be bad.
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But I think some sort of like it could be like a fitness thing you know talked
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about like encouraging fitness you could do jumping jacks to get the internet to
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work. I mean but can you imagine me clapping or jumping while my girlfriend
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is sleeping to turn the router off? I mean she would be she would be upset
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because like I know I don't know I kind of like the idea of the clapper in
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general like you know so fancy you clap your hands and you do stuff I don't know
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I kind of wish I could do you know clapping gestures for for iOS and OS
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10 like I could do Skype and it does stuff you know I don't be great that
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would be awesome or I mean really I mean why stop there you get you could hook the
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clap rope to almost anything in your house. I mean you could you could have it
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where you had a kettle to boil water, you know electric kettle, and then you clap
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and you're like coffee time and the water gets hot.
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Is there a clapper IFTTT channel that I can plug into?
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Maybe you could use the M7 and just clap two iPhones together.
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That's also not a good idea.
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That's going to get expensive.
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and also potentially dangerous for the iPhones.
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- No, you can't use those two phones.
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They're my clapping phones, you know?
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If you're a day clapper and you're a night clapper.
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- Yeah, I'm not a fancy business person with two phones.
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Well, I mean, actually I have two phones right now.
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But I'm giving this one away in just a few days.
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- You're not giving it away, you're giving it back.
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- I'm giving it back.
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I'm giving it back.
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- Please don't give it away.
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I'm giving it back to the owners of the phone.
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So for the past few weeks I've had two phones.
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It's just been temporary,
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not a business lifestyle decision.
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- So I would like to provide a correction
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in the direction of Stephen Hackett.
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And this came to us from listener of the show, Ian.
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And Ian wanted to point out that there is actually
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a buy to order, bill to order option on the MacBook
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in that you can turbo-charge the CPU, if you would like to.
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What do you have to say about this?
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It bumps it to, what, 1.3 GHz from 1.1 or 1.2?
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I mean, not...
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It's not radically better.
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Can you repeat this slowly for me, guys?
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Okay, so you can buy, as standard with the new MacBook, you can buy either a 1.2 GHz
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or 1.1 GHz Intel Core M processor. However, you can select to have that turbocharged,
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well, you can turbocharged it another way, I'm being silly, I should actually say it
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correctly. You can have it like increase, you can get a more powerful CPU at 1.3 GHz
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instead of 1.1 or 1.2 if you would so desire.
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- How much dollars is that?
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- They don't say.
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- A thousand.
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- That's probably inaccurate.
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- Doesn't sound like a big deal.
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Is 0.1 gigahertz a big difference, guys?
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I don't know. - No, no.
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- It might be more of a difference
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if you're starting at 1.1 in the first place,
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but probably not that much of a difference.
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- So, who is that?
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Thank you Ian for the correction.
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Yes, I had that wrong.
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When I was looking at this, I noticed on the site, you know we spoke about last week, when
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you go to order a MacBook, it's like an iPad where you pick your color and your size, or
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speed in this case, and there's a little helper text about what SSD I should buy, and this
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page, this text might be on other pages on Apple's site, I didn't search for it, but
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But I thought it was really interesting the way that they distinguish if you should buy
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the 256 or the 512 gig SSD.
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This is what Apple says, if you prefer to store most of your files like music, photos
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and movies on iCloud, then the smaller storage size may be a good choice for you.
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For people who like to store most of those files on their Mac, the larger capacity is
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probably the right fit.
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Be sure to consider how your storage needs may change over time.
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really good advice but I couldn't help but chuckle at the just iCloud being like
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the only other the only alternative right if I have a small disk the only
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other places I can put things is iCloud it just kind of made me chuckle like I
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don't I'm in the process of playing with iCloud photos and that sort of thing but
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yes so I just I don't know if the if there's a consumer that exists that is
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savvy enough to put all of their documents and movies and music and
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iCloud but also wants to save the couple hundred bucks and get the smaller SSD.
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Is any of that sort of appealing to you guys?
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Store everything on iCloud and just pull it down when you need it?
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Not right now.
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I assume eventually, yes.
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But not right now.
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Yeah I mean I'm so dependent on Dropbox for a lot of work documents.
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I mean I do use Unpay for like, I switched to the higher iCloud pricing plan, I'm paying
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like 4 euros now.
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I do like it for basic syncing and photos of course.
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But you know all my files and folders and Dropbox, I don't know, feel kinda uncomfortable
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throwing all my eggs in iCloud.
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Yeah I don't know what it is.
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I have this weird mental block which is the exact opposite.
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I think to myself, "Oh, I want to have it in Dropbox because it will be available everywhere,"
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when in theory that's exactly what iCloud should be doing.
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I think a big part of my personal fear is two factors.
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One, there's no website.
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Dropbox gives me the idea of being more open because if anything goes wrong with my machines,
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I can go to the web, to the website, and I have the files from any web browser.
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Yep, and you can only get a small selection of them on the iCloud website as well, can't you?
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Exactly. And two, Dropbox is super upfront in like, you can have file versions, you can recover deleted files.
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Like, I know that if I'm stupid and I do something that I'm not supposed to do, I can revert my changes.
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In iCloud, it's like a black box.
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Yeah, and that's by design, but that just doesn't work for me and you and Steven.
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I want them more control. I actually quite like the idea that it's on all the
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machines that's connected to Dropbox. All those files are there as well as being
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in the cloud. It's all there, you know? And then I think to myself,
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everything that's in my Dropbox in a weird way is also backed up to my time
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machine as well. Yeah, because it's... I mean, and that's true for iCloud
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documents as well if they're local but say that you upload everything to photos
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and then you check that box and say optimize the storage on my Mac and so
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you don't have you know you only have a subset of files or you know just
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thumbnails locally and so it's it gets a little more gray about what is
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actually on my computer. You know iTunes match has the same problem to a degree.
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It's definitely interesting I think you know we're in this transition
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where things like iCloud and maybe even Dropbox will become more universally
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used. I mean I think I think Dropbox has a really good usage rate in people like
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us but I think if you go outside of people who listen to tech podcasts I
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don't know what Dropbox's you know utilization is like. So I think we'll get
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there. I think that that language of like you know get the smaller SSD if you want
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iCloud. What's really the most ironic to me about that is that SSD prices are
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falling and you can get bigger SSDs now than ever, while companies are also
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saying use cloud storage instead. So it's kind of this weird mishmash of messaging
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because I mean I could go you know the 512 SSD is not that much money and
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that's enough storage for most people at least on a consumer laptop. And so it's
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like we're ramping up all these cloud services you can put everything in the
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cloud you can do everything magically over wireless but in two years you're
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gonna have a big disk again anyway so it's sort of a odd thing to me.
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Okey-dokey. What else do we have? What else do we have? We have... I had a little
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more follow-out about the USB C connector so you and Jason were speaking
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upgrade yesterday about, you know, we're going to go back to this world of you
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gotta have all these weird video adapters to hook up to things and that
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that sort of feeling and Jason expressed that you know maybe we the world had
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solidified around me to display port to a degree and I spend a lot of time in
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conference rooms that aren't my own like just in meetings with companies around
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town and I could tell you that VGA is still what rules the world. If you're
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lucky you get DVI or you get HDMI but as a Mac owner you are still nine times out
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of ten adapting out to something else anyways even on a thunderbolt or may
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display port machine so I don't think that the idea at least in like the video
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world that the MacBook is a bigger pain than previous machines holds up.
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Obviously it's a pain in the butt to have an adapter so you can plug in a USB
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key like that's sort of ridiculous until some USB C drives come out but the
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The thought around the video adapting in particular is kind of what jumped out at me, that I've
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been a Mac user, a portable Mac user for a long time, and I've always had to carry adapters,
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and that's just the way it is.
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I mean, I have like eight adapters in my bag.
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It's ridiculous.
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Have you ever thought about the fact that all these standards and all these ports, their
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names sound like television networks?
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Yeah, because they're all abbreviations.
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Have you watched the new show on VGA?
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I don't know.
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Oh no, no, I'm gonna catch it when it goes to HDMI.
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So yeah, I don't have
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serious thoughts on
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VGA and TBI.
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But I agree with Steven, in
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general. He seems very
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knowledgeable about this. About adaptables.
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I do a lot of adapting. I'm
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adaptable. You are very adaptable,
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We have a topic zero this week sent in by Danny on Twitter.
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Daniel, excuse me, Daniel.
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Daniel asked what watch apps we are looking forward to.
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And then he challenged us to follow up in six months, which I guess we can do that.
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It's actually a really interesting question.
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So what about you, Myke?
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Why don't you lead us off?
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So when we first posed this question, or when I first saw it in the document, I was like,
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I don't know.
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So I went and took a look at the webpage Apple have created, the App Store apps page for
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the Apple Watch.
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And I was looking through it and I was like, these all seem kind of interesting, I guess.
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But this type of stuff, and we spoke about it before, I feel like a lot of these kinds
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of things, you have to really, truly understand the use case of the watch.
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So like in general I was thinking some stuff that might be cool and they have an example
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of this and this isn't an app that I use but I imagine how I could use something like this
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for the stuff that I do.
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So Procreate have got a little companion watch app which brings up little tool buttons so
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you can like change your tool palettes.
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So maybe you want to use like an eraser tool or like a pencil tool and you can tap it on
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your watch and then use it.
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Now I'm thinking how cool it would be when I'm editing a podcast to just tap my watch
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to pause it or something like that, which I do quite a lot because I need to go in and
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do something.
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There are little things like that where I'm like, "That could be quite interesting to
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And I hope that Apple will make something like that for Logic Pro because they made
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an iPad app.
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They made a companion iPad app which does that stuff.
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And then I started thinking about what apps have I seen that I'm interested in.
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I like the idea of having OmniFocus.
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I've seen that OmniFocus are gonna be having
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like a kind of a quick kind of dashboard view
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of what's going on in your world,
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which I think looks really interesting.
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And I think about maybe, I haven't seen it,
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I don't know if they're working on one,
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something like Fantastical in the same kind of way.
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'Cause I was thinking, you know,
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if I look at my notification center,
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there are things that I really like there.
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I did think, what about a world clock app?
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If there is not a world clock app,
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if there are not a thousand world clock apps
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for the Apple Watch and someone has horrifically failed.
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Because that's the obvious one.
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And then I guess from there it's kind of like,
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I'm kind of gonna wait and see.
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'Cause all the things that they showed on stage,
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I thought were really cool.
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Like Shazam I thought was quite a clever use.
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Stuff like, I don't know,
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the hotel room stuff looked really cool.
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So I'm really excited to see,
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but for me it's kind of like,
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what kind of products, what kind of apps can there be
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that take advantage of just interesting tidbits of information.
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That's what I'm really excited about.
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The Shazam demo from the event from last week, it was really cool.
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Yeah, I think that might have been the most impressive third-party app, because the way
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it showed the lyrics!
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Yeah, I mean, the people were going crazy in the audience.
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It was like, "Oh man, this is awesome," you know?
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I'm just thinking, like, all the times that I'm trying to recognize a song, and because
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I have to pick up my iPhone and unlock the iPhone, find Shazam, and then, you know, do
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the actual recognition.
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So many times I lost a song, like when I was in a store or during a TV show, and, you know,
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to have that on my wrist, I mean, there's probably the same concern of having to find,
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the Shazam icon on the home screen of the watch, but I think it'll be faster. I don't know,
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I just think it'll be faster. Probably because it's always there on your wrist.
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So I've been thinking about the same kind of thing, like will it be quicker or not?
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And I don't know yet. I don't know yet. But in general, I think I'm excited about, you know,
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this kind of new lifestyle apps from the from the Apple web page. There's a Lifesum, which is the
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the app that I use to track my calories, the food that I eat, and just in general to have
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a daily breakdown of my calorie intake, they're going to have an Apple Watch app that shows
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you a very simple interface with colored graphs for how many calories are left in your day,
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water, how much water you've drank so far, and I think exercise time.
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So that's kind of cool, because it uses the glanceability of the watch to show you information
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that's not too complex and that makes sense to have on your wrist.
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And also, I'm excited, I think, about the media consumption aspect.
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I know that Marco is making an overcast version for the watch.
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And of course music, both from Apple and also music streaming from Spotify.
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I'm just assuming that they're going to have a watch app.
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Because I don't know if I'll have to buy Bluetooth earbuds
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or if I'm just going to keep my phone in my pocket
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and have the earbuds going with the cable into my pocket.
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pocket because I'm just so excited about the idea of controlling music from my watch, just
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to pause and play, to skip directly from my wrist.
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And of course, while I was compiling my list of watch apps that I'm looking forward to,
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Google Maps, because I'm still learning my way around Rome, there's many areas of Rome
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that I don't know really well, and I use Google Maps because I think it's more accurate for
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Italy for Rome in general maybe. So I wanna see what Google does, you know with Google
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Maps with notifications on your wrist. Kinda excited about this. And last, my to-do list,
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with to-do list, I know they're making an Apple Watch version and I know that I said
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I don't wanna have iPhone apps on my watch, I wanna have new stuff on my watch, I wanna
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try apps that really kind of rethink their sort of purpose on the watch. But I mean the
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idea of being able to check off my tasks directly from the watch is kind of cool, you know?
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Yeah I like the sound of that too.
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To dictate items directly into my kind of James Bond style into the watch is kind of
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awesome. So I want to try that.
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I'm not interested in any games though, there's a few games on this page and I don't know
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why there's games but fine. I definitely agree with what you guys said things
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like being reminded you know discreetly of a task that's due is gonna be is
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gonna be big I think I'm excited even though it's not a third party I'm excited
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about the built-in stuff with messaging so you know if someone sends me something
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I can just reply very quickly I think that's gonna be be a nice especially you
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know if you've got your hands full or something or you know with the family I
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can just quickly do something and get back to it. I think that's sort of where
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I'm excited not so much about like the type of app at this point but what those
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apps could do as far as speeding things up. I do think that I will start out with
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a relatively small number of apps and my plan is to add kind of as things come up
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and not so much about let me find a counterpart for everything that's on my
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iPhone like I want to ease into it. Something like Dark Sky might be
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really really nice but is that you're necessarily you know on the wrist I
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don't know I think time will sort of tell with me as far as how far down
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that road I go. Yeah I'm listening to that I know I'm not gonna do this but I
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would really like to just kind of just learn what it can do first yeah before
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before adding things but I know I'm just gonna like run to the App Store.
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Well you're gonna learn what it does by downloading apps. I mean it's like...
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No but like learn what Apple has made rather than trying to replace it. Like you know
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looking for a calendar app, looking for messaging apps, looking for you know a
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fitness app, looking for you know all those things like trying to find
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Google Maps straight away rather than using Apple Maps and you know because
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Because I think Apple Maps will only have the left/right tapping thing.
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Maybe, possible, yeah.
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So I want to try all that stuff.
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For sure, yeah.
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I get the argument, I want to see Apple's first party apps first.
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That was all we had with the iPhone.
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I'm so excited about the messaging, like Steven said, and the fitness application.
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I wanna like big for you know all this health up on the iPhone and I wanna yeah I mean I
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wanna do the same with the new fitness app I wanna unlock all the badges and start tracking
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my progress in the fitness app.
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That's coming to the iPhone too right?
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It's coming to the iPhone once you pair with an Apple watch you're going to have the fitness
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app on I think already on iOS 8.2. It's just automatically unlocked once you have a watch.
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But I'm also kind of... I want to know... I have two questions. First, if I have the same app,
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both on my phone and on my watch, and a notification comes in, do I get the notification
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on both devices, or just on the watch? I'm very interested in this too. Like, how does that happen?
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because I don't want that to happen.
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I don't want to hear two sounds for sure.
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My second question is all these fitness apps for the iPhone,
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I mean they're able to write active calories into the health app for the iPhone.
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So for instance today I had my FitStar workout and I have 98 active calories in my health app.
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What's going to happen with the new fitness app?
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are they going to add minutes of exercise
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to the fitness app through native APIs?
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I'm kind of confused by this.
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There's going to be the health app,
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there's going to be the fitness app,
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and I wanna know what's gonna happen basically,
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because I don't wanna be in the scenario
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where there's an app that writes data into the health app
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and there's the fitness app, which is separate.
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I'm kind of confused by third-party app compatibility.
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So many questions left.
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But it's coming up in a month, right?
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Like, in about a month, yeah.
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I'm also considering, do I have to go to France or to Germany or to London to get a watch?
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Because it's not coming to Italy first.
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Oh, is it not?
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See you in London, buddy.
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I mean, you've done that with the iPad and iPhone, right?
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gone or had or ordered one and had it shipped to you that sort of thing
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yeah yeah but it's more I'm guessing it's more difficult with the with the
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watch you know because of sizes and the bands I mean I do want to try one before
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it's not like a phone that you I mean I know the phone I know the color the
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model the size and it's just the phone a watch because it's something that you
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wear I cannot say hey friend from France can you go to the Apple Store for me and
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pick up a watch for me and ship it to me to Italy I mean it's different and
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then I should come up with a plan soon I think. If you want to pay my airfare I'll
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bring one for you. Yeah I'm just gonna pay the arrival flight to Rome and then
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you'll be stuck. Then I'm on my own. Yeah I mean if history says anything is he won't visit you
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while he's there he's just gonna drop the watch off and leave. That would be
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That would be so Myke. You're just gonna put the watch in my mailbox and return home.
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That's terrible. Yeah, it's interesting. I think I remember when the app store rolled
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out in 2008, kind of the anticipation that came with that of what could I do on my phone?
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And I had some web apps, like there was a Twitter web app that someone had done that
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was pretty decent and a couple other things like Google Reader had a you know
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it was responsive and I had some like really core tasks that I knew that I
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wanted apps for on day one. I bet you had remember the milk too didn't you? I did
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because that's what I was using at the time. They...jokes. It's only six months until he goes back to it again.
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Yeah, yeah for sure. Every now and then. So I had web apps and I knew they were native apps I wanted to
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find, you know, replacements and do something native. But I think about that
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core functionality and those things Twitter, RSS, that's you know to do, that's
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sort of what I'm still doing on my phone. But at the same time there are whole
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categories of things that weren't possible as web apps that you know now
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my phone can do all sorts of things that you know I
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couldn't imagine in 2008. I think some of that magic is gone here because we
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kind of know, well we definitely know what smartphones do, and we kind of know
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what smartwatches can do, but I think maybe not with WatchKit, but maybe when
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the full SDK is out, I wonder what kind of things that we can't really think of
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today are going to show up on these things that will be, you know, mission
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critical to us in a year or two year or three years into the watch. And that's
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exciting to me, you know, to think about what the possibilities are. I think any
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app, you know kind of to back up to y'all's point a second ago, I think any
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app has to solve or answer the question of why do I exist on the watch and not
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just the phone like what makes it better about it being on the wrist. I think
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developers really need to think about that and I think apps to succeed will
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succeed in part because they do something that is better because it's on
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the wrist because it's always on you. You know if your phone's in your pocket or
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if your phone is in the other room and you just have your watch on, you know,
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what sort of opportunities that presents, I think that like it's gonna be a really
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fun place to watch over the next couple years. I say we're at least six months
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out from from even the beginnings of that. I think so too, I mean I think I
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think honestly I think a lot of it is the watch kit kind of defines what sort
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of apps you can build. I think if once the fuller SDK is out I think that'll be
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sort of that explosion in new ideas.
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- I'm just thinking from the perspective of people
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don't understand the device yet,
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'cause they don't have-- - Oh yeah, no.
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- But yeah, that's totally true.
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That like once we get more apps,
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like that's gonna, once we get more capability for apps,
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that's gonna change things even further.
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- Yeah, but it'll be fun.
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- You know what I think is going to be different?
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I think it's the way that people will see you
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with the first generation Apple watch as an early adopter will ask you to check it out.
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Basically like when the first iPhone came out or when the iPad came out and you use
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one in public, people were like, "Hey, that's an iPhone or that's an iPad.
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Can I try it?"
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And I think it'll be different with the watch for two reasons because Apple is so much popular
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now and I think more people know what Apple is doing.
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And second, because it's something that you wear, it'll be strange for others to say,
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"Hey, can I try it?"
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Because I mean, it's your watch.
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Yeah, you'd have to take it off and give it to them.
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I mean, it's like going to somebody and say, "Oh, nice shirt.
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Can I try it?"
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I mean, in that scenario, I would show people.
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But you know, so many times I just handed my iPhone or my iPad over to someone else
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and be like, "Yeah, sure.
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Just try it."
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with the watch it's different.
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- That's a good point.
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I do think though, I do think it will jump out more,
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you know, 'cause people were already doing things
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on handheld devices.
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Most people don't do things on their wrist now.
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So I think there will be a period of time
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where it's strange and that, you know,
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you might feel self-conscious if you're in a waiting room
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doing something on your watch,
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but I do think it will have a broader knowledge,
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kind of, you know, Apple's starting out
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is a much bigger company than they were in 2007.
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Something that I'm really looking forward to, I remember when I got the iPhone and I
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got the iPad and I would find these cool little things that it did and I would demonstrate
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them to friends and family. Like, look at this thing! Look at what it does!
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So in private you do mic tips.
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Yeah, mic tips. It's all about mic tips around here. But you know, if it does a thing, like
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you find it does a thing, and you're impressed by it, like the page flipping in iBooks. You
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like these little interesting things that it does that you think are really
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cool and you want to show them to other people. I'm looking forward, I am very
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much looking forward to just a very basic level having a brand new Apple
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product like that really excites me. So is your is your girlfriend Myke
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getting a watch? She is actually. Oh yeah? Yeah she wants one. Which model? She'll
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probably go... she wants to see them. Edition? Yeah she's going in edition.
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and I'm going bankrupt no she's thinking about 38 millimeter naturally she's yeah
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she's quite small and she's thinking she's gonna get sport most likely but
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she doesn't know what bad yet she she will probably wait until she can go and
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try one on probably like won't pre-order but but she is very much in session get
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one and I want her to get one as well because there are so many when I look at
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and the reason that she wants one is I showed her the communication stuff and
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She's very interested in that.
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- You just wanna send her the heartbeat.
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- Yeah, I do, I do.
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- You're so sweet.
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- Thank you, that's someone to you too.
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And she likes that, and she likes the idea,
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the same as I do of us having that kind of communication.
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'Cause we have, as many couples do,
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we have our own kind of languagey type.
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And so we send just simple words to each other
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throughout the day just to kind of keep that connection.
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And I think that it's gonna be so much more different
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for us not to actually send those words anymore,
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but to send pictures and send taps and things like that.
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I think that that is gonna be big
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in the way that we communicate.
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Because so much of the conversation that we have,
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there isn't much, we're not having the conversation
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to have a conversation, it's just we're exchanging words
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to keep in contact.
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And I think us sharing contact in that way
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is gonna make the device quite powerful.
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And I think she clearly sees that,
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which is why she wants one,
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because she's not, she's interested in technology,
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but up until like six months ago,
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she was using an iPhone 4S,
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and now she has my old iPhone 5.
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She's not that, she doesn't feel the need
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for the new devices, but she wants that, so.
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- Yeah, I think that's a great point.
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The communication between a couple,
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you know, you have your own language and little, little... it's like little family memes in a way,
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like stuff that only makes sense to you. And I think for me, I was listening to you and
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basically every time we record the show, while there's a break, I ask my girlfriend who's in
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the other room to usually to either bring me coffee, so an espresso or some water,
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you know, stuff like that. And I'm thinking now, what if we had a watch and I could just, you know,
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during the show double tap the watch and she gets a double tap and she knows that it's supposed to
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mean like, "Can I get an espresso please?" You know, that kind of rapid and private communication.
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I think it's actually a great point. And I don't remember if it was from the from the Apple event
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or from the BuzzFeed video that they made, but it was like there was someone who was saying just
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exactly this point. I can send my friend a tap or a sketch and she knows what I mean.
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And I think that will be huge for people.
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Yeah, I've seen a lot of people criticize that Buzzfeed video, but I really liked it.
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No, it was great. It was awesome.
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I really liked it.
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So, I'll put that in the show notes in case people haven't seen it. Stephen Hackett, where
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can people find the show notes?
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You can visit our website in your web browser. The web page is www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed.
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relay.fm/connected/31
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Excellent stuff.
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Now, I took a field trip yesterday and I want to tell you guys all about it, but before that,
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let's take a moment to thank our friends over at SMILE, and today I want to tell you about PDFPen 7 for the Mac.
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PDFPen is the ultimate all-purpose PDF editor, and now SMILE offers some great tutorials from the very talented,
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very talented lovely dashing Mr David Sparks. David will be able to teach you
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everything that you need to know about what PDF pen can do for you. These are
00:41:04
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these videos are about 10 there at the moment I think and they're around two to
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four minutes each and you can learn things like how to apply markup or add a
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signature to a PDF which is something I do constantly and I would pay double the
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price of PDF pen 7 just for the ease that it gives me in signing documents. I
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I've already signed three or four documents this week with PDF Pen 7 and it just makes
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my life so much easier.
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Do you know what I really like?
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A lot of these apps they have you save a signature and you just apply it and you can do that
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but I like that I can sign on my trackpad and I enjoy it and I do it every time.
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Here's a new fresh signature.
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I love doing that with PDF Pen and you can do that too.
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David's videos can also teach you how to use iCloud and Dropbox to sync with your iPhone,
00:41:53
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iPad and your Mac with the different versions of PDF pen that they have for
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some for the iOS and for the Mac. It can teach you how to touch up images which I
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didn't even know you could do in PDF pen so there you go. How to perform OCR to
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convert scanned documents to usable text. So let's say you've scanned in a form of
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some kind but you need to copy some text from it you can use OCR and you're able
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to copy and paste that into other apps. That is like mind-blowing. You can also
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correct and redact text as well. I do the text correction for some stuff as well
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and I think that's really cool. These courses are going to help you really
00:42:26
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understand all of the amazing things that you can do with PDFPen and there
00:42:30
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are even some additional courses to highlight the things that you can do in
00:42:33
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PDFPen Pro, the professional version of PDFPen as well. So you can find out more
00:42:38
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about PDFPen from Smile and see where to find all of these great videos over at
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smilesoftware.com/connected. Thank you so much to Smile for their support of
00:42:49
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this show and relay FM. So I was in town yesterday and I was close to Covent
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Garden and I figured I would pop in to the Apple Store to try full-stutch
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because I figured that they would have the new MacBook Pros, the updated MacBook
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Pros with the full-stutch trackpad in them. So I went into the store and I will
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backtrack to that in a moment and I walked over to the MacBook stand. There
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was nothing immediately obvious to tell me which had false touch and which didn't.
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So I went to the 13 inch renders and I turned it on, so I clicked it and assumed that I
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was on an old one because it just felt like normal.
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And then I went to system preferences and it had a new little checkbox and some trackpad
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sensitivity stuff.
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So I was like "hmm, okay".
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And then I looked at the little iPad that was next to it and it scrolled around like
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on its little demo wheel to tell me about Force Touch.
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And my brain I think dripped out of my ears at that point.
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This thing is insane.
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Like Federico you've used this right?
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You've talked about it last week.
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Force Touch is one of the weirdest things I have ever come into contact with on an Apple
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It is like voodoo magic.
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It is freaky.
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It's so strange.
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I cannot understand what they're doing.
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All I know is it's terrifying me
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because it feels like it's fundamentally breaking my brain
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because these force touch track pads feel,
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like it's not even like, oh kind of,
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they feel exactly the same, if not better,
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because you can click like with the same,
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and it feels like you're activating the click
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in the same pressure all over the place, right?
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Where like, if you, if I click in,
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I actually can't click the top left of my trackpad
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on my MacBook Pro, but you can do that on these
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because it's not giving any travel.
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I cannot even.
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It's insane.
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I also tried out the, like how you can press hard down
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to like open quick look.
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I couldn't get this to work 100% of the time,
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but I think I was doing something wrong.
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I feel like you could need to adjust,
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I needed to adjust the sensitivity or whatever,
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but it was working.
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I just couldn't get it to work every time.
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But it feels like you're pushing through it.
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So when you really push down hard,
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it feels like you're going into the track pad,
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which is the weirdest sensation.
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Again, no idea how they're doing this.
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Did you feel that way Federico,
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that it felt like you were like indenting it?
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- Exactly the same.
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I felt like I was going into the track pad.
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Because I'm applying stronger pressure,
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I expect the trackpad to move physically down.
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And that's the sensation that you get.
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That's the-- like, it feels like you're going down
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into the trackpad.
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And you get also that kind of feedback from the trackpad.
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But actually, it doesn't move.
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And it's all these new engine and these sensors
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under the trackpad which shake horizontally and provide you,
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thanks to some crazy Apple technology,
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with this sense of going down vertically.
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And it's crazy and it's freaky because it's a real life,
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like it feels normal, totally normal.
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And then they tell you how it works
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and you're like, no way.
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- Yeah, it's like they're lying.
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- This is not what I'm feeling.
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- Yeah, they may as well be lying to me
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because it doesn't, like I urge anybody listening
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to go to your local Apple store and try this
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because you can, they have them in the MacBook Pros
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and it's like... I'm blown away by this. Because it's so weird.
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It's crazy. And it's a great example of what sounds like a tiny change, but actually can
00:46:52
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have really big consequences on how you use a computer, or just like thinking about the
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future of Apple devices getting this sort of technology. I just had a link yesterday
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or Mac stories from this person who has a blog called Alex4D.
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And basically Alex argues that assuming that First Touch is coming to iOS devices in the
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future, this could potentially be huge for adding basically a new dimension to the interface.
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Because there's a demo that you gotta either ask Apple to receive or if you read the KBase
00:47:38
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really carefully, you can see there in the new iMovie, besides the clicks and the force
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touch, what's the name, the long click?
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Yeah, force clicking.
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The force clicking?
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That's those two types of clicks. There's also the fact that when you drag and drop,
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you can feel the end and the beginning of a clip in iMovie. There's a physical dimension
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for the clip in the iMovie interface. You feel when it ends and when it starts. That's
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crazy to think about that. When I'm going over the trackpad on this flat surface, I
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actually feel the depth of software, of the interface.
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And that's interesting to think about in relation to wondering whether First Touch and this
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kind of feedback could be coming to iOS in the future.
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And I was thinking yesterday when I read this post from Alex4D, what if the iOS 7 redesign
00:48:42
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was meant to bring this kind of feedback and clarity in the future?
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Because can you imagine, with the Skeuomorphic interface, having tactile feedback all the
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time from leather, physical buttons, plastic textures, all these weird interface elements.
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Instead, having a more clear, maybe neutral interface, it helps when you want to add feedback
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just for some elements like buttons, like tabs or menus.
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I think it's interesting to think about for the future.
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Maybe not even this year, maybe a couple of years down the road.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, it's also interesting from a...
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There could be some really interesting assistive technology stuff here as well with impaired
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vision or things like that where it could give them another way another
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opportunity for feedback from the device of what's going on and I think it's
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really interesting from all those things I think that I may be thing is really
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genius that you know you're we've all done it you know we've done in logic as
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well you're scrubbing over and you overshoot where you need to be or and
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just giving you that little bump of like hey this is where you are I would imagine
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once you get used to that in a program it becomes really just very second
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nature and becomes just part of the experience. I for one welcome our new
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haptic overlords and hope that this does spread throughout their product line
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where it makes sense. I really want it on every device. Yeah you and I both own
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Retina 13-inch MacBook Pros. They're the same age. We have almost exactly the same
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machine and mine has cooler stickers than yours though it's so old and crappy
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now again I said it's an upgrade like I'm kind of okay with it because I use
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my MacBook on like one of those stands and I use a mouse for RSI reasons
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right I don't have RSI but like I get repetitive strain pains like every now
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and then so I'm trying to keep all that stuff at bay so I try to use the track
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and the keyboard on my Mac as little as possible but it is super cool and I
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would maybe like a magic trackpad yeah anyway yeah one other thing I wanted to
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mention now I said I'll come back to this and so as I walked into the store I
00:51:14
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got a little bit excited because all I could see on the walls were huge
00:51:21
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pictures of the Apple watch right the marketing pictures not for sale yet and
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And I was like, "Maybe they have one."
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And I know it sounds crazy,
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but anybody who's listened to this show for long enough
00:51:33
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will remember my crazy story where like,
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randomly one day iPod touches arrived in the UK
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earlier than expected, and I bought one.
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So I was like, "Who knows?"
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Comic Garden, it's like one of the biggest Apple stores
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in the entire world, like you never know.
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Like, you never know.
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So I went in, and just all around the walls
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were pictures of the Apple Watch.
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but obviously there were no watches there.
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And then on all of the other walls,
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it was either a picture of a gold iPhone
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or a picture of the new MacBooks.
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Now, I was on one floor, I was on one floor,
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of the main floor where all the products are
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on the main floor, like they got the phones, the iPads,
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they got all of the Macs in there.
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It's really big, this store.
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- So which Apple store is this?
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- Covent Garden.
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- And I'm looking around and I'm kind of working out
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in my head, like over three quarters
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of the product marketing in the Apple store
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is for products that aren't only not on sale yet,
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but will not be in the stores
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for like another three or four weeks.
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And that is really weird to me.
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Like it's confusing for one,
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like to go into the store and the products,
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a bunch of them are like old, right?
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Or they're like, you know, they're not gonna be replaced,
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but there's new stuff coming like in the MacBook line,
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for example.
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I felt sad for everybody looking at the MacBook Air.
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I was like, oh, just don't buy it just yet.
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You need to just wait and see
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'cause you might like the other one.
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And it's just super weird to me
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to see all of this product marketing
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for products that aren't in the store yet.
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I just found it really, really weird.
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- But what if that's the point,
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to get people to ask, hey, do you have one yet?
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- I mean, but they're not even labeled.
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- Yeah, I mean, but people know what is it.
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it's a watch. No the watch, I mean like the watches I think there's more of them
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with the MacBook but but it is still strange to me to see the just these
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pictures of the watches just everywhere and like but they're not even near like
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to being in a store. I don't know I'm not it's not really a criticism it just seemed
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really strange and because I can't think of a time where like that all these
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products are like always still a month away from all of them it just you know
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It hasn't been like that in a while, I think.
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I don't know.
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Yeah, it's been six years, five years since the first, I mean, since the last new, really
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new Apple device, right?
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Because the iPad was, I mean, unless you count the new Mac Pro, the last device was the iPad
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five years ago.
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I mean, I'm super excited, you know?
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I'm kind of sad that it's not coming to Italy with the launch countries.
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That seems really weird to me.
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I thought they would have gone for the fashion centers more, but it seems like not.
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We don't matter.
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That's the reason.
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Is Italy a small market for Apple then?
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It's in like wave two, right?
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There's many problems in Italy, Myke.
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Not just a small market for Apple.
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I don't know.
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I feel like we don't matter in many ways.
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Well you matter Federico.
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I feel like in general we're not...
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As a nation, as a country, we don't take us seriously enough.
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But that's another topic.
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We should have a politics show on reading.
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Let's take a quick break.
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So guys, there's a rumor that Apple is about to launch a service called QuickTime TV.
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And Steven has all the details.
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Steven's got the hot scoop on QuickTime TV.
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That's right.
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Can you tell us more Steven about this tech meme worthy headline that you discovered?
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It's the year is 1999.
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So if you'll dial back with me, we're going to go in the Wayback Machine, and it's 1999,
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that means Myke is 13 years old.
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I'm 11 too, I'm 11 too, and really into, I think, PlayStation.
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Steven was 25.
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I say I'm 46.
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So Apple announces in 1999 QuickTime TV, and there's a bunch of links in the show notes
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I want to point out too.
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One going to Macworld, so it's an article from October 1999 with an ad for an Apple
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Watch thing next to it which is really funny.
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And basically what QuickTime TV was, you had the QuickTime player on the Mac and there
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were channels that plugged into it and you could stream media.
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So there was a streaming service as well and there was a bunch of different things.
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Another link in the show notes is to a archive.org page which is just full of goodies from the
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time period.
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There's a Britney Spears video you can watch.
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You can watch "Seeing Into the Headline News."
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You can watch a Nine Inch Nails or an NSYNC video.
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Wow, it's like a time capsule.
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It really...
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This is Steven's life, Myke.
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The Wayback Machine link is from 2001. Good Times, Quicktime TV didn't do very
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well. Obviously 1999, 2000, 2001. Internet connection speeds were a big issue when
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you're talking about streaming rich media like this and I think they
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struggled to get content on board. I did come across an Apple PR article from
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2000 where Apple announced the second annual QuickTime Live conference. Okay I
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know a lot about Apple history I've never come across the QuickTime Live
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conference so now it's my duty to find out everything I can about it and write
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it up. In the QuickTime Live conference guys let me just tell you what we could
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experience if we were back in time. 48 conference sessions with professional
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level training on QuickTime content development and deployment. That's a lot. Did this ever
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take place? Listen to this, it did. Nine intensive full day workshops. Nine, nine, two
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work weeks, full workshop, full day workshop. That's twice the size of WWDC. Workshops for what?
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They're, these workshops Federico, Federico I'm glad you asked because these
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workshops Federico, they focus on popular authoring tools, deployment technologies,
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QuickTime VR and QuickTime Streaming.
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- There was a product showcase featuring streaming media
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and distribution solutions for more than 50 companies.
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And the last bullet point,
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a number of other special events.
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If you guys wanna go to this.
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- Oh my God, Steven, there's I found on eBay,
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Apple Vintage QuickTime Live Sweatshirt,
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LG Conference Faculty Speaker
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That's my size.
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That's my size.
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That's my size.
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Buy me a sweatshirt.
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There's a, I'm putting the link in the chat room.
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So the conference really, really existed.
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There's a sweatshirt.
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I'm not going to buy that as a joke.
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No, you need to buy this.
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I hate sweatshirts.
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Can you imagine wearing that to WWDC?
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That would be really awesome.
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So if we want to go to this conference, again that happened 15 years ago, it's $1,200 per
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I still don't believe it happened.
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If you guys just want to do the workshops, if you just want to come for nine days, it's
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Oh, I'll do that one.
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Yeah, so I think that's in the budget.
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So QuickTime TV, Apple has gone on this path in the past.
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Again, wasn't super successful.
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I think it was, I think QuickTime and all was sort of, you know, Apple early on with
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the Mac made a play for desktop publishing.
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I think with OS X they made a play for streaming and video production type stuff.
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And it was a little early.
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But it's really interesting because now, as Federico explained to us, there's a Wall Street
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Journal article saying that this might be coming back around a little bit.
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Yeah, according to this Wall Street Journal report, Apple is working on this new web-based
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television service.
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It'll have about 25 channels with the likes of ABC, CBS, FOX, other networks and broadcasters
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are apparently on board with Apple's plan to have this new web service.
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And what's interesting, and kind of weird also, is that being a web TV service, it'll
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be not just exclusive to the rumored Apple TV or Apple Television, whatever Jim Master
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wants to call it, it'll be available to every Apple device, because it'll be web-based,
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it'll be essentially streaming.
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Streaming TV from Apple with these big channel names on board.
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And John Gruber and Jim Adelup are saying to take this with a grain of salt because
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the WSJ has not been so accurate lately.
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And so there we go, we have this new rumor, it will be priced at around $30-40 a month.
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So while we were talking about this before the show, Steven somehow remembered of QuickTime
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TV and this QuickTime conference. So Apple has tried this before. Of course, so many
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things have changed, especially because now Apple has a bunch of devices where you can
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stream video to. And I mean, we talked about the television before, and I'm pretty sure
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my argument was "Okay, fine, cool and all that, but is this going to be a television?
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If Apple really does it, is it going to be a television for also the international market?
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I'll be able from Italy to get my DTV, how it's called here, the digital TV, will I be
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able to do that, to watch that on an Apple device?
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Or will I have to do kind of what Microsoft wants me to do with the Xbox One to basically
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let my TV signal pass through the Xbox One interface?
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So we talked about this before, there's a new rumor, a Web TV service, what do you guys
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I think it's interesting for a couple of reasons.
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You know, you look at, you know, you brought the Xbox,
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but you look at the PlayStation,
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you look at things like the Roku.
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A lot of those devices just pull in content
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from third parties, right?
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So they have a Netflix channel, Hulu, Yahoo,
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which is very similar to where the Apple TV is now,
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where it's sort of these other companies
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and they're putting their content on it.
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And you know, you can go through that content,
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the interfaces aren't that great.
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But this seems like something a little bit different
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where this is talking about much closer
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to a cable subscription that is just online
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is the way that I read that.
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So I think it's a little bit different there.
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My big question is does this solve the problem
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that the Apple TV has that it's maybe not super great
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to use sometimes?
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Is this gonna be on the Apple TV hardware?
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Is this some other hardware?
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Is this just a service and there's an iPad app
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and you AirPlay it?
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I mean, there's a lot of those sort of nitty gritty questions
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that come to mind for me.
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I don't know.
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- I'm not massively interested in something like this.
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I mean, one, I know that it's not gonna come to the UK
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and then even if it does, I can't see the people,
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like the channels that I would want if it did,
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they're just not gonna be there for a while if at all
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because it's it's basically the channels that you would want are provided by Sky
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and Sky are, Sky are like they're very
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they don't really have a lot of competition here.
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Like the competition is starting to heat up, but but not so much.
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And I would be very surprised unless like the regulators made them
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that they would give this into Apple and they could just, you know,
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try and make their own thing.
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And it looks like for all intents and purposes, there are people
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There are companies in the US that are doing that kind of thing themselves anyway.
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Like I think the article says that NBC is kind of like, nah, and they seem to be making their own thing.
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Um, but like, kind of one thing that I'm interested from you, Steven, like 30 to $40, is that a good deal?
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Like is how much cheaper is this than just getting cable TV?
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So I don't have cable.
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I've never had cable.
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I think that is reasonable depending on what you get for that money.
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Maybe someone in the chat room can tell us what they pay for cable each month.
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But it doesn't seem to me ridiculously expensive, but I think it's definitely all about not
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only the content you get through, it's like what channels are available, but what you
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can do with it.
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Like, does this thing have some sort of DVR functionality where I can save something for
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is to integrate with with Siri or some sort of smart search thing, you know, you know Apple
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For all the things it does. Well, it doesn't do
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search and like
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Bolting things together very well. So like one of my complaints about the Apple TV is
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That it's basically like my iPhone home screen. It's a bunch of apps and if I want to watch an episode of
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a friends for instance, you know, I
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I know that's on Netflix, but if I didn't know that,
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it'd be nice to be able to search for that on the Apple TV
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and say, "Hey, it's on Netflix,
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"it's available on these other services,
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"it's not available here," et cetera, et cetera.
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So I think Apple has to make TV smarter somehow,
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and if that's part of this,
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then I think the price is a lot more compelling
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if I'm getting all this great content
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and I'm getting in a way that makes it easier
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to sort through and understand.
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Because if anyone who has used either a cable box
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or a third party DVR or any sort of programming interface
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on a TV, those things are terrible.
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And Apple should be able to knock it out of the park
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and that sort of thing.
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- I love that you just described
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what Android TV tried to be.
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- Well, no, no, Android TV, yeah, tried it.
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And I think Roku and a couple others
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have played with that a little bit.
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It's gotta be, I think it's gotta be compelling.
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I mean, if it's 30, $40 and it doesn't have the content
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that I could get from Comcast, why would I choose this?
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Right, so Apple's got to have something
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that makes it different, that makes it stand out.
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And Joe Steele in the chat room is saying 30, 40 bucks
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is pretty reasonable.
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But I think they've got to set themselves apart somehow,
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or it's just gonna be like another kind of forgettable
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Apple web service.
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- I mean, it could end up working out
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okay price wise if you're like if you're buying if you're a cord cutter and you're
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buying like maybe four or five different TV shows right which I am like and then
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we talked about that last week right to be a cord cutter and to save that money
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you have to steal like sorry there's really no way around that you know I
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there are definitely shows that I borrow from the internet but there's a lot of stuff
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that we have iTunes season passes for and that money adds up and you know
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before you know it you've got five or six season passes and you got you're
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downloading something every night and you're taking disk space and all that
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stuff and so I could see how this could be more elegant than that but they've
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got to make it good value for the the money you're paying. Every time we talk
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about television eventually I get to the point where I'm listening to you guys
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and I get so confused about what a cable for Americans is. Like I don't understand
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what is cable TV and every time I ask you this question and again you explain
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it to me. I think you have satellite TV there right? The same. Yeah we have, well we transitioned
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a few years ago from basically to digital television which is like, it's basically like
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terrestrial TV with more channels. Yeah we have that too. Right everyone had to do that. Okay and
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then we have satellite TV which is Sky basically and you pay for Sky, you have different packages
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And in addition to the DTV, you can get Sky.
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So my parents, for instance,
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because my dad wants to watch soccer, his favorite team,
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he pays for, I think the package is called Sky Sports.
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- Yeah, Sky's cable, Federico.
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So why don't you just say satellite instead of cable?
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- Because they don't have satellites.
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They don't do it by satellite.
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- Well, you can.
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I think the terms are pretty interchangeable here.
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But the point is it's premium TV,
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air quotes are on premium,
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'cause you know, like my problem with cable is
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that there are a couple stations
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that I would like to have in my house.
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You know, I would like to have things like Discovery
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or National Geographic, ESPN,
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but I don't want the 15 different like trash channels
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that they sell bundled with that to pay for them.
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And so if Apple's only gonna have 25,
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maybe they've worked out where they can get the best,
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you know, kind of the ones that everybody wants,
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or maybe they've worked out some sort of deal
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where you can filter that stuff out.
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It's hard, right?
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And TV's like a hard problem to solve.
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If you think about it, Apple went after smart watches
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before it did television.
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That says a lot about the state of the industry,
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at least in the US, how hard it is to break into,
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how hard it is to deal with,
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'cause these companies are huge.
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I mean, Comcast owns NBC.
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It's an enormous market with enormous players,
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and they don't wanna change, right?
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It's compounded by the fact,
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and you hear stories of this every once in a while.
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You heard it with the ebook thing where,
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now Apple rolled into the music industry
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and for a long time they owned it.
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And you could argue that maybe they're losing it now
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a little bit to things like streaming services.
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But Apple changed the way the music industry works
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and all these other industries look at that
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and are afraid of it.
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And they don't want Apple to come in and take over.
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And so I think that they put a wall up
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that they maybe they wanted to have otherwise.
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It's interesting, if anyone can solve it, I think it's Apple, but I think it's super
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complicated and it's got to be a compelling product or it's just going to be kind of forgettable.
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So do you have like in America, I'm sorry that I'm just interested in how television
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works in America, do you have like free stuff?
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Like you buy a TV, you plug it in, you connect the antenna and you watch free television?
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Yeah, and we did that same transition, I believe that transition was worldwide, I'm sorry someone
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can correct me if I'm wrong, to, from analog to digital.
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But yeah, I have a TV.
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I don't have an antenna hooked up to it.
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But if I did, I could get some local stations and, you know,
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a handful, a handful of things.
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I don't think it was worldwide.
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I think most, a lot of countries have done it.
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But the reason they do it is to free up spectrum for stuff like LTE.
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Right. Because it frees up the 700 megahertz.
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You know what is what I think is basically different between
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television in Italy and in America, that in Italy,
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you have like these seven basic channels or maybe ten and everybody gets those.
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Like there's the national, like the TV that you pay for with the tax, it's the first three channels,
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then there's the TV of Berlusconi and it's another three channels, and then there's MTV and
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another two or three channels and everybody gets those. And at the same time Italians, like at 8 pm,
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Italians have dinner and they watch the news on the same channel and I think it's different in
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America because it's big and you're into multiple time zones and you have this like is there a
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national channel that everybody can watch for free at the same time? Yeah I mean yeah you get
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CBS, NBC, you know that you get the big players. Yeah but I don't think you have anything like we
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have which is like there is a tax that people pay yeah like what we call TV
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license. Right there's nothing like the BBC or like Federico what you describe
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where there's a national channel or a national network these are all you know
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publicly traded companies. It's crazy you know and so I could do that I
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don't I don't pay for cable I mean we our TV has two inputs taken up
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one's a Mac Mini one's an Apple TV so you know I'm doing everything through
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iTunes or streaming on things like Hulu or you know community started back this
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week it's on Yahoo screens which their streaming community for free to the
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Apple TV which is really great we're gonna watch that tonight and so there
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are ways to watch things but what Apple is trying to do is try to get some of
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that legacy content if you will onto their devices which which I think they
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have to right if they if they want the Apple TV to be more it's got to be more
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than just like the crazy channels they randomly add to the Apple TV that no one
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once like no one wants crackle like just no one wants it and it shows up and I hide it.
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What is crackle? Is that the Sony thing?
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I think it's the Sony thing yeah the Sony web stream.
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Didn't they also add some kind of yoga or meditation channel?
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Yeah like every time I turn on my TV there's some other icon that I want that I have to
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hide because I don't want my kids going into it like and I don't want it I don't want it
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so I think that's a flawed strategy in and of itself but if they can if they can figure
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this out and I could get things like
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Discover your ESPN through my Apple TV
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over my internet connection. I'd love it
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and I think that I would, depending on
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what it offered and how much it cost, I
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think I'd probably be interested in
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using it. But they've got to prove that
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it's worthwhile. So we'll see. Just to
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wrap up this topic and to go right back
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around to the first piece of follow-up.
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Something I saw today that HBO Now,
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contrary to what many people thought, you
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actually won't be able to buy it from HBO directly like it has to come through
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a third party so Apple is one of them but then also apparently will be the
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cable companies you have to buy from your cable company which makes no sense
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well even now so there there's a you know there's like a ESPN app and a
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couple other things on the Apple TV but you have to sign in with your Comcast or
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your AT&T account so I've got a buddy who has you verse at home he has cable
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through AT&T and I use his to watch basketball. Yeah that's how HBO Go works, right?
01:17:29
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Right, I use someone else's login to do that so it's kind of getting rid of
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that middle step potentially. Yeah but this is like you won't be able to buy it
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from HBO which I think is what people thought, like you still have to use
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somebody else to get it and I mean Apple is not the worst you know scenario to
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buy it from them but it's kind of just like okay you'll never get rid of them.
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Yeah well I think that speaks to how complicated and how entrenched those
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companies are that even in this like seemingly really cool Jill Applecoat
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HBO Comcast still has their fingers all in it. So what do Americans do when the
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president talks to the nation? That's a really good question. So the... I'm so
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curious about this. Yeah no no no that's a really good question actually. The major networks all
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carry it so CBS, NBC, Fox they all carry it and they frame it in their own you
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know, coverage, which is terrifying on some of the stations.
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What Italians do, like, a very much stereotypical but also true Italian thing is two things.
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When the president talks, all Italians reach to the channel one and they listen to the
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president, and the second one is the World Cup of soccer.
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Italy plays, you can rest assured every Italian family is in front of the TV, also on channel
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one, which is one of the three channels that you pay a TV license tax, and they're watching Italy
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at the same time, everybody. And I think there's some sort of romance in that stereotype, you know?
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Everybody gets to watch TV at the same time, whether you're at home or at a bar, and in
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In Italy, again, bars are not like in the US where you go to only drink alcohol.
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A bar is like...
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I don't know, Myke, what is a bar in Italy?
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You've been to Italy.
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Kind of like a coffee shop.
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Yeah, kind of like a coffee shop, and everybody goes there and watches TV.
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I think there's some sort of romance and happiness in being together at the same time,
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watching the same television channel.
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I like that we have a TV license.
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I like that because we...
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I don't, but...
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Okay, I mean, okay, except for the cost, right?
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I know that sounds weird, but like, yeah,
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it's a thing you have to pay for,
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but you are kind of helping, at least with the BBC,
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you are helping create, like, 'cause like,
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I don't know what the Italian stuff's like, Federico, sorry.
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There is incredible drama, incredible comedy,
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just really great TV shows that are paid for
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because we pay a TV license.
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- Sure, and it's, I think it's simpler, you know,
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in America, it sounds so complex,
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And no wonder that people go crazy over these rumors of new TV services, because what you have sounds like a nightmare.
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It is. It's just really messy. And you know, there's even restrictions on where you live, what's available to you, you know, because ISPs and cable companies have such regional locks here.
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It would be nice to see someone busted up. And like I said, I think Apple can do it. If anyone can, Apple can.
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Well, that's in theory unless the TV industry looks at the music industry and realizes what's
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ahead of them.
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I mean, that's why I brought that up.
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Apple's past success is, I think, weighs heavy over those other industries.
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And you see that other industries, well, you see it in the cell phone industry, right?
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Basically the only cell phone manufacturer that Verizon can't put their cruddy apps on
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Apple, when they come to the table, they have the high ground and Comcast isn't used to
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So I'm cautiously optimistic that Apple could do something in this space, but I'm definitely
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not holding my breath until something shows up.
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This is super left field and I don't even know why I'm bringing this up, but we haven't
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spoken about it, so I wanted to check with you guys.
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Did you see that Sundar Pichai said that Google's going to be launching their own MVNO?
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I did. That was a couple weeks ago maybe? Yeah he said it on stage somewhere and
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they're gonna be talking about it at I/O it seems like. Right and I would
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imagine that that carrier would be very limited in where it is and what
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it... I kind of view like the Nexus program I think that Google might fire
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up their own little cellular network just to experiment and do weird things
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in but never it would never really take on somebody like AT&T Verizon because
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they need AT&T Verizon to carry their phones you know that's as a problem with
01:22:12
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any of this well that's why Apple's not doing it because Apple needs those cell
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networks to carry the phone unless it's free maybe I mean could be I mean all
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they need is you on the you know just that they get all that sweet sweet ad
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money in theory you know so they're always saying we just want people
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connected. Yeah it's just a guy listening in on you, no I'm just kidding I don't
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think that about Google but it is interesting. IO is coming up, or the
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tickets I think went for sale or go for sale this week so I'm excited to see
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what they do. Yeah I'm looking forward to IO. IO is always fun to watch yeah as an
01:22:48
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Apple centric kind of person IO is always really interesting to me so. So
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wait a second America doesn't have taylortext. Well yeah but we don't really
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have that anymore either. We do. I mean like we don't in the UK. Like there is there is like a
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digital thing now but it's not like... Steven do you know what teletext is? Uh not by that name at
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least. Oh my god. I'm googling it. It's like the best software kind of. Do you still have the
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really old one that looks like... Yes. You still have that? Yeah. Man but you're on digital right?
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they must have just kept that to make you guys feel comfortable. what is this? you don't know
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what the teletext is? oh my god it was like the internet in your television it was awesome. yeah
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i knew people that used to buy holidays using this thing. yeah i see a bbc one and it's quite
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honestly terrifying. it was the best thing and the worst thing at the same time. yep. it was like
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And I'm trying to think of a mythical beast.
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Maybe a chimera or, I don't know, it was incredible.
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- The BBC used to do, I think,
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choose your own text adventure on this.
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- I used to get all my news from the teletext.
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And I knew that it would refresh
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at specific times during the day.
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So I would just open teletext
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and do a bunch of comments with the TV remote.
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And I knew that I was gonna get fresh news.
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And then there were channels in the teletext,
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so you could find gossip or sports news,
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and it was awesome, also awful and awesome.
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It was like, I don't know, it was both things and also.
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- I'm really, really surprised
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that you still have it look like this,
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because they're clearly holding onto it for you,
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because digital TV can do a lot more than this.
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I'm pretty sure we still have that
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because I recently saw my father using teletext.
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So either he was trolling me in some way,
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either he downloaded an app for the TV
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or it was the actual teletext,
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which it was used to be awesome to check
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like real time sports results.
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- Yep, the lottery results.
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- The lottery results, local news.
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Steven, you're-
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- Movie times.
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- Oh yeah, yeah, movie times.
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- This was the internet.
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This was the most basic version of the internet.
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- Yes, and to think that there were,
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sometimes I still think about the fact
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that there used to be so many people
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who thought the teletext was going to be a huge deal
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and they spent so many hours of their working days
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updating the teletext every day
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and then those people got fired.
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- Oh, we haven't even said about how you navigate around it.
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So to navigate teletext,
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you had to know the page number.
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So it's like a three digit page number
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that you would type in.
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So say you wanted to get to sports,
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you might go to 400 and it'd take you to the sports page.
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And then it would show you the directory.
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So like it would say like for sports scores,
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go to this one for like Manchester United versus Chelsea
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hit in this one.
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And then like you could go to a directory
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it would have all of the numbers.
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You could score for all the numbers.
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- This seems insane.
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- Myke, did you have, I'm sorry, Steven,
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Did you have the pages where it was like a channel with three pages and they switched
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like a wheel?
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Oh yeah, it would be like you go to page 124 and it would be one of four and it would just
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like flick over.
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Man, teletext.
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Steven, you missed out on something really special.
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It just ended in 2012, this article on the BBC.
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I mean, that's an impressive run.
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That's what I'm saying, when we switched over from analog to digital, they canned it.
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Like BBC got rid of it.
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That's a fascinating look into something I had no idea existed.
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This is what like in 20 years time people say about the internet?
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I remember when there used to be teletext.
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Just anyone should just Google image search it because the screens are all insane.
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It's like the internet on acid.
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The best thing is when they would try and draw pictures.
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Yeah, there's some on image search that you should be aware of that are there that are
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a little weird.
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Well yeah, because people would draw their own.
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You'd go to a page and they would draw like "Welcome to Teletext".
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That's gonna be in the show notes if you go to the episode page.
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Like that is gonna be it.
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It was a different name in Italy.
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it was called Televideo for us.
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And I'm looking on the App Store right now,
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there's a bunch of apps actually.
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I'm not sure if they've been updated recently.
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And of course, most of the television related apps
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have been replaced by TV guides with modern interfaces.
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But if you look for Televideo on the App Store,
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even the US App Store, there's a bunch of Italian apps.
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So you get the idea of what the Teletext is like here.
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Oh man, so many memories.
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- So, Teletex was like what it was called,
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like BBC called it CFAX.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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I looked on Wikipedia,
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I know that there were like different names.
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I'm not even sure how I remembered
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that I Googled Teletex before,
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because I knew that it existed in other parts of Europe.
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I wasn't sure about America.
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Steven, I'm really sad
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that you never got to experience Teletex
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or the QuickTime Live Conference.
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- I don't know.
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I have a lot of links in this paper now for the QuickTime.
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There were at least three QuickTime live conferences,
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at least three.
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- When people go to our show notes page,
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they're gonna have literally no idea what's going on.
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- I'm on the show and I have no idea what's going on.
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- Like there's this big picture that says,
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"Welcome to Teletext."
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- Perfect, thank you.
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- With like a Simpsons yellow hand coming in on the corner.
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Ah, that seems like a pretty good place to wrap up.
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Until then, say goodbye guys.
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Arrivederci.
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