Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 48.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Harry's, an exceptional shave at a fraction of the price,

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00:00:20 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Mr. Steven Hackett.

00:00:23 ◼   ► Hello, Michael Hurley.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hello, Steven Hackett, how are you?

00:00:27 ◼   ► I'm good at being blown away by thunderstorms so we'll see how long I can go before the

00:00:35 ◼   ► flood waters rise.

00:00:37 ◼   ► But for now I'm okay.

00:00:38 ◼   ► It's very thundery.

00:00:39 ◼   ► It's very thundery outside that started going on so.

00:00:43 ◼   ► That's an official weather as recognized by the Meteorological Society.

00:00:48 ◼   ► Yes thundery.

00:00:49 ◼   ► I mean you might not have heard that word if you didn't if you don't have a degree in

00:00:56 ◼   ► weathermanship. - In curology.

00:00:57 ◼   ► Weathermanship, did you say?

00:00:59 ◼   ► - Weathermanship.

00:00:59 ◼   ► - Yes.

00:01:02 ◼   ► No Federico this week.

00:01:03 ◼   ► - We miss our friend.

00:01:05 ◼   ► Do you guys get thunderstorms?

00:01:06 ◼   ► I know it rains, but do you get like,

00:01:08 ◼   ► full out storms?

00:01:09 ◼   ► - We get thunderstorms,

00:01:11 ◼   ► but they won't be like the ones that you get.

00:01:13 ◼   ► But there is thunder and there is lightning.

00:01:16 ◼   ► But it's, you know, every now and then

00:01:18 ◼   ► we have like a bad one, but again,

00:01:21 ◼   ► our now and then bad ones is maybe like,

00:01:22 ◼   ► probably like a medium one for you, I reckon.

00:01:24 ◼   ► - Gotcha.

00:01:25 ◼   ► It's like basically in the UK, we get all the weather,

00:01:30 ◼   ► but none of it is really serious, but we get all of it

00:01:33 ◼   ► where not everywhere in the world

00:01:36 ◼   ► gets all the different kinds of weather.

00:01:37 ◼   ► We get them all, but we just get them all

00:01:40 ◼   ► in like annoying amounts

00:01:43 ◼   ► because they're neither exciting or interesting.

00:01:46 ◼   ► They're just all there.

00:01:47 ◼   ► - Just kind of low level annoyances

00:01:50 ◼   ► as opposed to exciting events.

00:01:52 ◼   ► - Exactly.

00:01:53 ◼   ► nothing none of the weather is ever exciting and which makes it all annoying

00:01:59 ◼   ► this is this is been a good segment on our show I would like to issue a

00:02:04 ◼   ► personal thank you to the listeners of this show if you remember last week I

00:02:10 ◼   ► spoke we spoke about you and your t-shirts and I challenged the listeners

00:02:16 ◼   ► of this show to to buy t-shirts to take the 512 pixels t-shirt over the 211 mark

00:02:23 ◼   ► that was set by the connected t-shirt which was met by the next morning which

00:02:27 ◼   ► was awesome and currently you have sold two hundred and seventy four t-shirts

00:02:32 ◼   ► which is a ludicrous amount of t-shirts to sell with a little computer on them.

00:02:36 ◼   ► It's exciting so thank you for everyone who was ordered if you have not ordered

00:02:40 ◼   ► you have a couple of days left please go and do so it's it's a huge help and just

00:02:46 ◼   ► it's encouraging to log in to Teespring and see those those orders come in so

00:02:51 ◼   ► it's cool I ordered a long sleeve I bought a short sleeve I didn't think I'd

00:02:57 ◼   ► want the long sleeve and I looked at the long sleeve and I was like I don't want one of those I

00:03:01 ◼   ► don't have any long sleeve t-shirts so now I have two separate orders with your

00:03:06 ◼   ► little logo on them on the way which I think will bring me up to four fire

00:03:11 ◼   ► 12 pixels t-shirts in total yeah because the the third one I've been to in

00:03:16 ◼   ► previous years so but none of them this successful so thank you to everyone it's

00:03:24 ◼   ► really great I would hazard a guess to say that this if not already will sell

00:03:29 ◼   ► out both of those ones combined you know oh yeah it has it has so so our follow

00:03:40 ◼   ► up this week is really pretty epic this is one of the greatest pieces of follow

00:03:45 ◼   ► up any podcast has ever received, not just Alice.

00:03:48 ◼   ► So Federico just started texting me very excitedly the other night. He said he was just saying

00:03:52 ◼   ► like, "Oh my gosh, oh my gosh," and I go, "This email I got," and I'm like, "Well, send

00:03:55 ◼   ► it to me." So he sends it to me. And if you remember last week, we were speaking about

00:03:59 ◼   ► weather, again, as we now do at the beginning of the show. And he made some claims, Myke,

00:04:05 ◼   ► that were quite frankly ridiculous, that because you were further north and he was closer to

00:04:09 ◼   ► the equator the Sun that you received is more triangular in nature which is just

00:04:15 ◼   ► nonsense. I mean I was only gonna take him so far you know and I was like I

00:04:22 ◼   ► can't I can't keep going down this I can't keep having this conversation so I

00:04:25 ◼   ► decided to just settle up and move on. I mean it's that's what when you're

00:04:30 ◼   ► confronted with someone who's a crazy person you just have to sometimes let

00:04:34 ◼   ► them go. Could you please give the follow-up before you say where it was gonna come

00:04:38 ◼   ► from yes so the it's a good it's good thing so that the follow-up email reads

00:04:43 ◼   ► as follow it follows the apparent shape of the Sun is independent of latitude

00:04:48 ◼   ► but the curvature of the earth far from the equator means that the sun's rays

00:04:52 ◼   ► are spread over a larger area makes sense right so the Sun is still the same

00:04:58 ◼   ► shape that it is always that doesn't matter but the amount of Sun the sun's

00:05:05 ◼   ► rays themselves are, you know, they're spread out because they're not

00:05:09 ◼   ► hitting at such a direct angle but they're sort of glancing off, if you will,

00:05:13 ◼   ► over a bigger area. It makes sense. I think of it as kind of like skimming a

00:05:17 ◼   ► stone. I know it's nothing like that but that's what my brain imagines.

00:05:21 ◼   ► This person's gonna email you now. So you can-- You can't skim the Sun! So if you hold up

00:05:26 ◼   ► like a ball, like in one hand, like a tennis ball or basketball or something, and

00:05:29 ◼   ► how to hold a flashlight, you can see this effect where the Sun is more

00:05:34 ◼   ► direct in a straight angle, you know, the light and then it sort of disperses, that's

00:05:39 ◼   ► the word I was looking for earlier, the further from the center you get. This is

00:05:43 ◼   ► great email because Federico is wrong but it's also a great email because it

00:05:48 ◼   ► was written by a listener named Frasier who is employed at the European Space

00:05:53 ◼   ► Agency, which for Americans is basically NASA in Europe, very similar the two

00:06:01 ◼   ► agencies work together and a lot of stuff so the ESA say do that slingshot

00:06:06 ◼   ► thing yes I think so depending on the slingshot thing you're talking about

00:06:11 ◼   ► there was it there was a thing oh some time ago that the ESA did like this is

00:06:18 ◼   ► annoying to me that I can't remember what it was but I just remember at the

00:06:22 ◼   ► time being like haha we can't do something you know I googled the ESA

00:06:29 ◼   ► slingshot and it did not return anything super helpful but yeah ESO does a lot of

00:06:33 ◼   ► really cool stuff and I think follow-up is probably probably over now since we

00:06:41 ◼   ► had the European Space Agency weigh in on a very important topic so thank you

00:06:45 ◼   ► for the feedback and it was a proud moment for the three of us I think yep

00:06:52 ◼   ► most definitely it's just a fantastic piece of follow-up to receive yep so

00:06:57 ◼   ► So we're going to follow that we should have ended follow up with that because the next

00:07:01 ◼   ► one doesn't seem as exciting anymore.

00:07:03 ◼   ► But this is a link over on max stories, Federico turns out that someone has created a beats

00:07:11 ◼   ► one schedule.

00:07:13 ◼   ► So we were speaking about there's no real great way to see like what's coming up like

00:07:18 ◼   ► who's on air in two hours at beats one.

00:07:21 ◼   ► And Mark Bouquet has written an unofficial calendar for this very problem.

00:07:29 ◼   ► So you can subscribe to it and you can get it on your phone and on your watch and it's

00:07:38 ◼   ► pretty cool.

00:07:39 ◼   ► It is user created and maintained but if Mark stays on top of it, this should be a pretty

00:07:43 ◼   ► good resource, right?

00:07:45 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:07:46 ◼   ► This comes also meets with I received some tweets from a guy called Benji earlier

00:07:51 ◼   ► Who's at the rumbler on Twitter and he was basically doing some digging and found out that Apple has a Heroku API

00:07:59 ◼   ► and that this that basically a lot of the Apple music stuff is built on that there is

00:08:05 ◼   ► There's all this crazy stuff going on that there is apparently apples tumblr uses Heroku

00:08:11 ◼   ► AWS cloud and react.js to create their own tumblr page. Okay, so

00:08:16 ◼   ► And then Mark Bouquet replied to Benji and said that was where he got that

00:08:20 ◼   ► information from to create this calendar that he's made. But the problem

00:08:27 ◼   ► is, from my perspective, is twofold. Mark's calendar is user created and maintained

00:08:33 ◼   ► whilst I have faith in Mark's abilities. Apple could change things, right, or could

00:08:40 ◼   ► add a new show in or, you know, anything could happen that he doesn't know about

00:08:44 ◼   ► and/or his system isn't pulling in or whatever or isn't updating correctly.

00:08:49 ◼   ► But also more more of a problem for me is this is I don't want this in my

00:08:55 ◼   ► calendar like I want to know what's coming and I want to be notified about

00:08:58 ◼   ► things but I don't want it in my calendar as a thing.

00:09:03 ◼   ► Yeah it's yeah I mean I think if it was just better better done in the app maybe in a way where you could

00:09:13 ◼   ► like we talked about favorite something or have an option for push notification

00:09:18 ◼   ► for music so you're still alert you still know what's going on but it's not

00:09:22 ◼   ► necessarily filling up your fantastical you know every time you open it just all

00:09:27 ◼   ► beats one stuff I think there's a happy medium between where we are now and what

00:09:32 ◼   ► Marcus created I think it's really great I think a lot of people find it useful

00:09:34 ◼   ► but I would I think what we initially wish for I think is still something that

00:09:39 ◼   ► that they should do.

00:09:41 ◼   ► I mean, they have all the data, right?

00:09:43 ◼   ► It's just one of those things where it seems like

00:09:45 ◼   ► they could do, you know, Apple could do it

00:09:46 ◼   ► with relatively little work.

00:09:49 ◼   ► But, you know, they got, I guess, got bigger fish to fry.

00:09:52 ◼   ► So I always feel a little uncomfortable telling Apple

00:09:54 ◼   ► what to do because they're in charge and I'm not.

00:09:59 ◼   ► Anyways, so we have a little bit of a blend

00:10:02 ◼   ► of a follow-up item and a mini topic.

00:10:05 ◼   ► Apple Pay has launched in the United Kingdom.

00:10:09 ◼   ► Apple announced this a while back,

00:10:12 ◼   ► and it launched just yesterday, right, as we record this?

00:10:15 ◼   ► So Myke, have you gotten a chance to use it?

00:10:19 ◼   ► - No.

00:10:20 ◼   ► Basically the situation as it stands right now

00:10:26 ◼   ► is that we have Apple Pay here,

00:10:30 ◼   ► but there are mainly,

00:10:32 ◼   ► there are basically four big banks in the UK.

00:10:36 ◼   ► There is Barclays, Lloyds, Santander and HSBC.

00:10:41 ◼   ► There are smaller banks.

00:10:45 ◼   ► There's like a bank called NatWest who maybe be the fifth,

00:10:48 ◼   ► but like they're like the four biggest

00:10:50 ◼   ► as it stands right now.

00:10:51 ◼   ► Only three of them, sorry, only one of them,

00:10:56 ◼   ► three of them don't have it,

00:10:56 ◼   ► only one of them do have Apple Pay.

00:10:59 ◼   ► HSBC, which is one of the banks that I bank with,

00:11:02 ◼   ► they pulled out in the 11th hour

00:11:05 ◼   ► and they are currently later in July is their status.

00:11:10 ◼   ► And it was literally yesterday,

00:11:12 ◼   ► they were gonna be, they were in the list of joining.

00:11:17 ◼   ► It was even in some of Apple's press materials

00:11:20 ◼   ► and even on the Apple Pay website,

00:11:22 ◼   ► they're using HSBC cards and stuff like that

00:11:24 ◼   ► to show things off.

00:11:25 ◼   ► So they really poured out in the 11th hour.

00:11:28 ◼   ► - Wow, you might still be able to use it before I can.

00:11:31 ◼   ► As my credit card, Discover's gonna add it.

00:11:34 ◼   ► they've said later this year in my small local bank

00:11:37 ◼   ► has said the same but have not appeared yet.

00:11:41 ◼   ► Every once in a while, Apple adds new banks here in the US

00:11:46 ◼   ► and I always like search that list for my bank.

00:11:49 ◼   ► So you may be able to use it before me.

00:11:51 ◼   ► Should be frustrating for me at least.

00:11:54 ◼   ► So yeah, I mean, do you think,

00:11:58 ◼   ► we talked a little bit about this when they announced it,

00:12:01 ◼   ► but to recap, the UK already has a contactless system.

00:12:06 ◼   ► We in the US are in the middle ages

00:12:10 ◼   ► when it comes to debit and credit card processing.

00:12:13 ◼   ► So do you think that Apple Pay can take off in the UK

00:12:18 ◼   ► because the environment is different already,

00:12:19 ◼   ► that people are already used to this sort of thing,

00:12:22 ◼   ► so maybe it'll be adopted easier,

00:12:24 ◼   ► do you think that'll hurt it?

00:12:25 ◼   ► Do you have any thoughts around that?

00:12:27 ◼   ► - There are a couple of interesting things.

00:12:29 ◼   ► So one of the things that is difficult to nail down completely because of where it's

00:12:35 ◼   ► being reported on, but I'm pretty sure I have this correct.

00:12:38 ◼   ► The way this is reported in a lot of US media is, or just in some instances, just a lot

00:12:44 ◼   ► of media in general, is Apple Pay is available in these locations.

00:12:49 ◼   ► And they've got a list of like 10 or 15 locations.

00:12:52 ◼   ► But my understanding is that's actually not accurate in the UK in the same way as it was

00:12:58 ◼   ► in the US because when they announced that list in the US it was like and

00:13:03 ◼   ► there is a list of places we are able to do it and because they have

00:13:09 ◼   ► any places the terminals are but my understanding is the list is actually

00:13:13 ◼   ► longer than what Apple is showing because it should work in most places

00:13:17 ◼   ► where a contactless terminal is available which is way larger than the

00:13:22 ◼   ► list of like 10 or 15 companies that have been announced. There are some that

00:13:27 ◼   ► have to do some additional tweaking to their systems because they don't have

00:13:29 ◼   ► the up-to-date systems but there is actually my understanding is a wider

00:13:34 ◼   ► breadth of places that you can use Apple Pay than what is listed officially on

00:13:40 ◼   ► the Apple website. The other thing is, so there's also been a bit of

00:13:45 ◼   ► miscommunication and again it's a similar kind of thing, it's difficult to

00:13:49 ◼   ► find out because Apple doesn't really have this information and the media is

00:13:53 ◼   ► difficult at portraying some of this information in that you can only spend

00:13:56 ◼   ► up to 20 pounds a transaction in in UK stores. That is true in some places but

00:14:05 ◼   ► again not in others because we have because we've had the contactless system

00:14:08 ◼   ► for longer the contactless cards system so we have contactless debit cards and

00:14:14 ◼   ► contactless credit cards that have chips in them that we can use we can beep and

00:14:18 ◼   ► can use them. That has been limited to up to 20 pounds for security reasons

00:14:22 ◼   ► because if you drop a card or lose a wallet or something like that people

00:14:28 ◼   ► could just buy whatever they want and there's no second factor of

00:14:31 ◼   ► authentication, right, if it's just a plastic piece of plastic. But what phones

00:14:35 ◼   ► have done is allow for that level to be increased whether it's through a pin

00:14:41 ◼   ► code being entered or a password being entered via a fingerprint scanner. So

00:14:46 ◼   ► So there has been some work going on for longer than before Apple Pay was even in existence

00:14:53 ◼   ► to raise that cap.

00:14:55 ◼   ► Some banks are supporting that and some locations are supporting that.

00:14:58 ◼   ► So there is even another list of companies that you can use higher limits where available.

00:15:05 ◼   ► So basically the thing is in the UK, because we already have the infrastructure, it is

00:15:10 ◼   ► lot more complex than it is in the US because effectively Apple is leading the

00:15:17 ◼   ► drive for contactless payments in the US now where Apple is just joining the fray

00:15:22 ◼   ► here and it's one of the reasons why some banks have lost out like a

00:15:26 ◼   ► Barclays has spoken about before they were never gonna do it but apparently

00:15:31 ◼   ► there's actually been a leadership change at Barclays and now they're like

00:15:33 ◼   ► it will be as soon as possible we will have a pay right because they were just getting

00:15:40 ◼   ► over the cause in the media in the same way that HSBC has today because they

00:15:44 ◼   ► pulled out so late in the game. Well they haven't pulled out, they have

00:15:49 ◼   ► delayed but you know they basically they broke one of their social media people

00:15:54 ◼   ► broke not necessarily at that time they thought and people were thinking that an

00:16:00 ◼   ► embargo was broken because someone from one of HSBC social media accounts

00:16:04 ◼   ► tweeted that oh it will be live on Tuesday when we didn't know that for

00:16:08 ◼   ► sure and basically that person had probably just been reading Apple blogs

00:16:13 ◼   ► because HSBC weren't ready right yeah so then there ended up being this like

00:16:19 ◼   ► weird turn of events to where we are today but to go back to answer your

00:16:24 ◼   ► question a little bit more it's difficult to say here if it will be

00:16:28 ◼   ► adopted on how it's gonna take off because we are already used to doing

00:16:34 ◼   ► and in many many ways it's way easier to pay for smaller items of a credit card

00:16:40 ◼   ► or a debit card via contactless because you just hold it to it and it beeps and

00:16:43 ◼   ► you're done. Nothing else is happening but like with the with the watch or the

00:16:48 ◼   ► phone, with the phone you have to give authentication by the thumbprint

00:16:52 ◼   ► that slows down the process because this fingerprint scanner has to read.

00:16:57 ◼   ► That is slower than finger, because not only the fingerprint scanner

00:17:01 ◼   ► reads, then the transaction is processed rather than just transaction being

00:17:04 ◼   ► processed with the card and also the watch adds a little bit of like

00:17:10 ◼   ► awkwardness because you kind of have to get the wrist and you put it on.

00:17:13 ◼   ► Yeah like that picture on Twitter earlier right with Tim Cook.

00:17:17 ◼   ► Yeah so that yeah this this goes back to one of the other places that you can use

00:17:21 ◼   ► so I'll just let me wrap up at that point. I talked about Tim Cook. Basically I think

00:17:25 ◼   ► it's tough to say because one of the things that this does is it can be a

00:17:30 ◼   ► little bit embarrassing to either to use this kind of stuff like because you're

00:17:34 ◼   ► like putting your phone against the terminal because something that has

00:17:37 ◼   ► become like a standard practice is if you want to pay by card you have to

00:17:41 ◼   ► alert the cashier that you want to pay by card and if you're paying by

00:17:45 ◼   ► contactless card what seems to have become like a social norm here is you

00:17:49 ◼   ► just show like you just take your card out your wallet and you like show it you

00:17:52 ◼   ► gesture towards it to the person like you you show them the card and then they

00:17:56 ◼   ► operate then they enable the scanner for you to beep, right? But here I'll be

00:18:01 ◼   ► like, what I showed on my phone? How am I gonna do this? It's gonna be

00:18:05 ◼   ► weird because we've got this inbuilt social norm now. And one of the

00:18:09 ◼   ► things about British people is we don't like to embarrass ourselves. And if we

00:18:13 ◼   ► are having to fiddle and I'm putting my watch on the thing and it's not

00:18:17 ◼   ► beeping and I'm trying like three times, if that keeps happening people are

00:18:21 ◼   ► gonna be a bit more hesitant to use it, I think. So I think it's a bit up

00:18:26 ◼   ► in the air. I think that a lot of people will be excited to try it because it's a new thing

00:18:31 ◼   ► with their technology. And I know that I will use it because I just will use it. Because

00:18:37 ◼   ► I'm excited about it. I will be using it on my watch all the time because it's just easy

00:18:41 ◼   ► and awesome. Now going back to the Tim Cook tweet. So Tim Cook tweeted earlier today about

00:18:48 ◼   ► enjoy Apple Pay UK and they showed a picture and this picture is people using their Apple

00:18:54 ◼   ► watches on the London Underground because the London Underground has a

00:18:57 ◼   ► contactless card entry system. We have cards that you can buy and top up with

00:19:02 ◼   ► credit and you can use them or have your travel cards on them but more recently

00:19:07 ◼   ► you can actually just use your bank card you just beep it and it just debits so

00:19:11 ◼   ► a fare from you like for £1.50 or something but this is going to be able

00:19:16 ◼   ► to be done with the Apple Watch and with the with the phone but these barriers

00:19:20 ◼   ► These systems have been in place for years and years and years and the way that they're built is as you go through the barrier

00:19:26 ◼   ► The reader is on the right hand side of you

00:19:28 ◼   ► So like you take your card and you beat the card and you go through

00:19:32 ◼   ► So the image in the press shots and what Tim Cook tweet today is the three people lining up one person going through the barriers

00:19:38 ◼   ► one person is authenticating on the barriers one person behind getting ready and

00:19:42 ◼   ► Everyone is using their watch in their right hand

00:19:46 ◼   ► on their right wrist because that's where the reader is, but the majority of people will be like

00:19:51 ◼   ► Awkwardly contorting themselves to try and get through the barrier. I actually think that for this that for the underground

00:19:58 ◼   ► I will use my phone because I will want to do it my right hand to just place it on and go through

00:20:02 ◼   ► Because one of the things about these barriers is speed is of the essence

00:20:06 ◼   ► They're like lines and lines of people sometimes you've got like two of these things and people just beep in and walk in

00:20:11 ◼   ► Beep walk beep walk. Like you just got to keep it moving because it's London

00:20:14 ◼   ► So I'm interested to see how that's gonna shake out, but that did make me smile at the time. Mm-hmm the

00:20:20 ◼   ► the thing that I think about in the photo is that this is a two-handed operation right because you have to

00:20:26 ◼   ► use Apple play on the watch my understanding is you have to hold down the or press the button on the side and

00:20:31 ◼   ► You know if your hands have something else in them

00:20:33 ◼   ► like if you have your pass your phone your right hand something in your left hand, that's okay, but

00:20:37 ◼   ► With so many other things with the watch it is actually two-handed

00:20:41 ◼   ► So I wonder if that's a thing too, you know, if you have a bag or an umbrella or something and it could get out of hand quickly

00:20:47 ◼   ► I think

00:20:48 ◼   ► Yeah, I think you just tap it and then it activates and then you you put it down

00:20:52 ◼   ► But if you're gonna need if you're gonna have one handful then just grab your phone and just do it with the phone

00:20:57 ◼   ► But I do think the phone will actually be slower and that will be less convenient for the tube

00:21:02 ◼   ► Yeah, I also like the closing quote on his tweet, but no opening quote, but yeah

00:21:08 ◼   ► What can you do? Tim Cook is gonna tweet the way he tweets.

00:21:11 ◼   ► And he tweets however he wants to tweet, and it's always to your upset.

00:21:15 ◼   ► It's true.

00:21:16 ◼   ► So I will report back in a couple of weeks with even more out-of-date

00:21:22 ◼   ► impressions about Apple Pay because they're already out of date because it's been in the US for so long and now it's already in the UK

00:21:29 ◼   ► and I still can't use it for another couple of weeks. But when I do you guys are gonna hear all about it.

00:21:33 ◼   ► I'm excited.

00:21:36 ◼   ► Should I take a break?

00:21:37 ◼   ► Yes!

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00:24:08 ◼   ► Alrighty so up next in our series of mini topics, NASA to this morning, going back to

00:24:16 ◼   ► the space thing for a second, NASA's 3 billion mile journey to Pluto is at its peak today.

00:24:25 ◼   ► So if you've been watching the news today, I'm sure you've seen, there's a link in the

00:24:29 ◼   ► cinemas as well, this image of Pluto, really the first up-close image that humanity has

00:24:36 ◼   ► seen of the dwarf planet.

00:24:38 ◼   ► It used to be a planet, not a planet anymore.

00:24:41 ◼   ► And it's really quite something to look at, isn't it?

00:24:45 ◼   ► Yeah, space stuff is always weird to me.

00:24:50 ◼   ► Because I don't know an awful amount about space, as was demonstrated on Upgrade this

00:24:55 ◼   ► week talking about like the build-up to this and like I look at these things like

00:25:01 ◼   ► I look at that picture of Pluto and like one of my first thoughts was like how is

00:25:06 ◼   ► it illuminated so well and I was like hang on a minute the Sun does that

00:25:10 ◼   ► like because you know you like you look at a picture like this and it's like

00:25:13 ◼   ► it's perfectly illuminated and everything else around it is complete

00:25:17 ◼   ► darkness darkness like you've never seen in your life and it's like how is it so

00:25:21 ◼   ► perfect and then you realize that you know like the space the space of space

00:25:25 ◼   ► right just the vast emptiness of nothing it's like no you can't see anything else

00:25:29 ◼   ► because there's nothing else right and it's just I look at these things and

00:25:33 ◼   ► it's like it's so interesting and it's also so weird and now that I'm looking

00:25:39 ◼   ► at Pluto I can see the outline of Pluto that has been a thing today that's been

00:25:43 ◼   ► going around the internet I don't know if you've seen this that like what they

00:25:46 ◼   ► call it the heart of Pluto right it's what it's been yeah I'll put it I'll put

00:25:50 ◼   ► a tweet about it in the show notes for us. But it does kind of look like the

00:25:54 ◼   ► outline of Pluto the dog now that I see this. But yes it's really it really is

00:26:01 ◼   ► kind of an incredible crazy crazy thing. It is you know it's I gotta go space

00:26:08 ◼   ► stuff all day but the fact that we sent basically a robot the size of a piano to

00:26:13 ◼   ► Pluto and it took nine years to get there and it does 36,000 miles an hour

00:26:19 ◼   ► Which is pretty quick. Um, it just really is is nuts. And so today July 14th the

00:26:26 ◼   ► Spacecraft is actually silent. It can't talk to us and take pictures and work at the same time. So it is

00:26:34 ◼   ► Working because it is flying past Pluto's not orbiting everything. It's basically going past it on its way further out and

00:26:40 ◼   ► so

00:26:43 ◼   ► Starting tonight and then tomorrow

00:26:46 ◼   ► NASA will be in a 16 month download period of all this information that's gathering today.

00:26:52 ◼   ► So, you know, if you thought that your torrent of BattleBots was slow,

00:26:57 ◼   ► 16 months to download images and mapping and stuff is really sort of a crazy thing

00:27:05 ◼   ► that we can send data at all, but it's like a couple of kilobytes a second.

00:27:09 ◼   ► It's not super quick.

00:27:11 ◼   ► So what kind of information is it actually getting then?

00:27:15 ◼   ► So a lot of it is imagery, a lot of it is looking at Pluto's atmosphere to see,

00:27:24 ◼   ► it's long believed that Pluto has an atmosphere, but probably very thin,

00:27:28 ◼   ► and so they're taking measurements and looking at that. Some of that will happen

00:27:31 ◼   ► once it's past, once it's on the back edge of Pluto, it will look at it from a couple different

00:27:37 ◼   ► angles and see maybe what that atmosphere could be made of, how robust it is to see

00:27:45 ◼   ► if there's thoughts that there might be subterranean oceans, probably

00:27:51 ◼   ► not of water but of some other materials and so looking at just kind of

00:27:56 ◼   ► discovering the makeup of this dwarf planet because Pluto is

00:28:01 ◼   ► actually part of a series of basically icy objects at the edge of

00:28:07 ◼   ► the solar system Pluto is the biggest and so we're seeing what they can learn

00:28:11 ◼   ► of of this this particular example and maybe they can take that knowledge and

00:28:19 ◼   ► spread it elsewhere so it just it's nuts and I think like you looking at that

00:28:24 ◼   ► photo the thing to me about this whole thing is that it took not it took nine

00:28:27 ◼   ► years to get there it takes something like four and a half hours for data to

00:28:31 ◼   ► come back to us at basically the speed of light and it's just the the scale of

00:28:38 ◼   ► it all that you know this thing launched a decade ago and they've just been

00:28:41 ◼   ► hanging out waiting for it to get there and they have you know basically 24

00:28:45 ◼   ► hours of like experimentation and then they're gonna they're gonna move on to a

00:28:49 ◼   ► couple of their objects they haven't said what yet but the you know it's like

00:28:54 ◼   ► all this lead up for a very intense period of time and then this data will

00:28:58 ◼   ► trickle in is just really just that sort of scale of it is what always gets me

00:29:02 ◼   ► when it comes to space stuff. How are they sending the data? NASA has something

00:29:09 ◼   ► called the Deep Space Network maybe we can find a Wikipedia article and

00:29:15 ◼   ► basically it is set up where NASA and like the ESA and I believe other

00:29:22 ◼   ► agencies can can use this as well. They say represent. That's right. So the DSN

00:29:29 ◼   ► basically is set up where we can listen out on all sides of the earth because

00:29:34 ◼   ► the earth obviously is rotating actually fairly quickly and so it's basically

00:29:39 ◼   ► just long-range radio signals that is vastly understating because I'm actually

00:29:46 ◼   ► not an expert on the DSM. It's extremely long-range. Yeah no it really is I mean

00:29:52 ◼   ► if you think about Voyager which is even further out than this thing is if the

00:29:58 ◼   ► Voyager has actually depending what articles you read actually left the

00:30:03 ◼   ► solar system last year and is actually kind of in this intermediate space and

00:30:08 ◼   ► we can still get data back from it so it's basically like a modem on top of a

00:30:14 ◼   ► really top building and we listen and these things talk back to us. It's very

00:30:19 ◼   ► slow but apparently very reliable for the most part so props to the people who

00:30:23 ◼   ► invented it because it seems like an impossible problem to solve to me.

00:30:28 ◼   ► So what does the Voyager do then? So Voyager looked at other big planets so it

00:30:34 ◼   ► didn't get a look at Pluto but looked at Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune and it is

00:30:39 ◼   ► now sort of jettisoned from the solar system and we're learning about what

00:30:46 ◼   ► takes place outside the solar system there's a kind of like an envelope of

00:30:49 ◼   ► material and radiation and energy around the Sun and it has passed through that

00:30:54 ◼   ► and for the first time ever we are seeing the solar system from the outside

00:30:58 ◼   ► and it's pretty cool and the Voyager has a gold record on it so you can listen

00:31:06 ◼   ► into some sweet tunes if you're an alien and come across Voyager 1 or 2.

00:31:10 ◼   ► Man I don't know about any of this stuff. It's very very interesting to hear

00:31:16 ◼   ► and I'm very interested to hear about it I just don't know any of it you know

00:31:21 ◼   ► like because it doesn't it doesn't like break through my purview very often.

00:31:25 ◼   ► Yeah. Like it's just when something like this happens. Right and this has been I

00:31:30 ◼   ► mean all over the news today and like it's really captivated people because it

00:31:35 ◼   ► it

00:31:37 ◼   ► Unlike

00:31:39 ◼   ► Like in the 70s and 80s when some of this other stuff was going on even the 90s like we haven't seen this sort of exploration

00:31:46 ◼   ► Really sort of in like mine of yours time like something happened

00:31:51 ◼   ► We were a little but it's been kind of quiet. And so I think for us is like

00:31:56 ◼   ► Adults, you know in this time period to see something, you know see this image, you know

00:31:59 ◼   ► I saw on Twitter for the first time this morning this Pluto image has been circulating today

00:32:04 ◼   ► NASA tweeted it it's like hey, like that's just crazy right that I think we're talking about last week with radio

00:32:11 ◼   ► I didn't sit down and watch the evening news and see this image

00:32:13 ◼   ► I saw it in tweet bot like I was still in bed this morning. Okay, that's so crazy

00:32:18 ◼   ► so I think that that sort of

00:32:21 ◼   ► thing can break through now sort of more easily because I think a people are just more open about what they're nerdy about and

00:32:28 ◼   ► That things like social media make it so much easier for data to get out

00:32:32 ◼   ► You don't have to go find the news.

00:32:34 ◼   ► It sort of comes to you,

00:32:35 ◼   ► which we're gonna talk about in a minute.

00:32:36 ◼   ► But yeah, it's cool.

00:32:38 ◼   ► It's a fun day for space nerds.

00:32:40 ◼   ► - So was the Voyager,

00:32:43 ◼   ► it was kind of going in a different direction, right?

00:32:45 ◼   ► They were sending it in.

00:32:47 ◼   ► - Yes, yes.

00:32:48 ◼   ► Different trajectory and new horizons.

00:32:52 ◼   ► The spacecraft won't catch it.

00:32:54 ◼   ► Voyager has a really good head start on this.

00:33:00 ◼   ► It's interesting though, I don't remember the exact numbers,

00:33:03 ◼   ► but roughly it took basically three days

00:33:06 ◼   ► for Apollo to get to the moon.

00:33:07 ◼   ► And this craft got to the moon in like nine hours.

00:33:11 ◼   ► So it's traveling very quickly,

00:33:14 ◼   ► but not fast enough to catch up from what I saw.

00:33:17 ◼   ► I saw that on a Reddit AMA today with the NASA team.

00:33:22 ◼   ► - But I guess it would on an infinite timescale, right?

00:33:25 ◼   ► - Mm, thank you, Marco.

00:33:28 ◼   ► I'm fascinated. It's very interesting. It's very, very interesting. I think part of the

00:33:38 ◼   ► reason as well, I was going to say this a moment ago, that I think this is captivating

00:33:41 ◼   ► people is because Pluto is more interesting to many modern people than many of the planets

00:33:53 ◼   ► are because of the big furor of Pluto.

00:33:57 ◼   ► Right, Neil deGrasse Tyson saying, "It's not a planet,"

00:34:00 ◼   ► and then everybody freaking out.

00:34:02 ◼   ► Anyways, not a planet.

00:34:04 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that's one reason too

00:34:05 ◼   ► that I think that's been in the news.

00:34:07 ◼   ► There's a lot of fun stuff about

00:34:11 ◼   ► planning on comets and going to Mars,

00:34:14 ◼   ► like all the stuff that we talked about a couple weeks ago.

00:34:18 ◼   ► There's more space stuff happening.

00:34:20 ◼   ► I think that's a fun time to be interested in this stuff.

00:34:26 ◼   ► indeed. Where can people do you have you got anywhere that people can can go if they want to

00:34:31 ◼   ► get started with space stuff? Yeah, that's a good question. There there are a couple there were a

00:34:37 ◼   ► couple blogs. Space.com is decent as long as you don't mind. Their website does weird stuff,

00:34:45 ◼   ► especially on mobile. There's one also called spaceflight insider actually met the editor of

00:34:52 ◼   ► of that when I was in Florida.

00:34:53 ◼   ► And they're like at a bunch of press conferences and stuff.

00:34:57 ◼   ► They've got good coverage.

00:35:00 ◼   ► Those are the two that I go to for like straight up news.

00:35:02 ◼   ► But NASA itself has a ton of social media,

00:35:05 ◼   ► a ton of blogs just on nasa.gov that you can subscribe to.

00:35:09 ◼   ► So it's easier than ever to follow along with this stuff.

00:35:14 ◼   ► And I think one thing that turns people off

00:35:17 ◼   ► is there's so much of it.

00:35:19 ◼   ► like if you just subscribe to like the main NASA blog,

00:35:22 ◼   ► it's almost overwhelming, but you can go in there

00:35:25 ◼   ► and you can look at individual things

00:35:27 ◼   ► and kind of tailor the content you get.

00:35:29 ◼   ► So it's fun.

00:35:31 ◼   ► - So when you said space flight inside,

00:35:34 ◼   ► I thought you said space flight inside her,

00:35:41 ◼   ► like the dream.

00:35:46 ◼   ► So I performed one of the weirdest Twitter searches

00:35:51 ◼   ► that I've ever performed and got nothing

00:35:53 ◼   ► and then realized what I had looked for

00:35:56 ◼   ► and why that was so stupid.

00:35:58 ◼   ► - Space flight insider.

00:36:01 ◼   ► - You should start that blog now.

00:36:06 ◼   ► You do the space flight and I'll do the cider.

00:36:08 ◼   ► - Yeah, what if it was just like a regular cider, right?

00:36:14 ◼   ► But you know, most ciders have like pictures of trees

00:36:16 ◼   ► or like apples or something on them

00:36:18 ◼   ► instead of just a spaceship.

00:36:20 ◼   ► And it just is like a regular cider

00:36:22 ◼   ► just with a different badge.

00:36:23 ◼   ► I think that's our new business.

00:36:26 ◼   ► - Oh dear.

00:36:31 ◼   ► Just before we went on the air today,

00:36:35 ◼   ► I saw some great Federico news

00:36:37 ◼   ► and figured that I had to bring it up.

00:36:40 ◼   ► As of today, I have an update on the App Store,

00:36:44 ◼   ► the official Twitter app on the iPhone

00:36:48 ◼   ► now has the native share sheet built in.

00:36:50 ◼   ► - It's about time guys, way to go.

00:36:54 ◼   ► - I don't understand this.

00:36:56 ◼   ► - Why does Twitter do anything that they do?

00:36:58 ◼   ► So a lot of people have been complaining recently,

00:37:01 ◼   ► they do A/B testing in the app,

00:37:03 ◼   ► so some subset of users,

00:37:05 ◼   ► like the tweet button will be in a different place,

00:37:08 ◼   ► or this other feature will be over here,

00:37:10 ◼   ► it's like none of the options seem good,

00:37:13 ◼   ► They just keep fiddling with things and there's never any improvement.

00:37:16 ◼   ► So, but like the weird thing about this is like, you know, you've got this point where it's like,

00:37:24 ◼   ► there has to be, there has to have been a decision that they made internally as to why they decided

00:37:34 ◼   ► not to support this. There has to be one. Whether it makes sense or not, that's not for me or you

00:37:39 ◼   ► you to decide. We just know that there was a decision because they didn't do it.

00:37:45 ◼   ► So when I see something like this it's like well now something's changed but

00:37:51 ◼   ► nothing changed externally in between iOS 8 and today. So I see something like this

00:37:59 ◼   ► I'm like why did you do it? Like what took you so long in the first place?

00:38:03 ◼   ► Why didn't you want to do it? And why now? Like today they've brought this new

00:38:08 ◼   ► functionality where you can, the links look slightly different, their format is slightly

00:38:13 ◼   ► differently. It just doesn't make sense to me. Like, there has been a change in their

00:38:17 ◼   ► system but it doesn't seem like it's enough of a change to warrant overhauling the way

00:38:22 ◼   ► that they share links. So it's like, I don't understand.

00:38:26 ◼   ► Yeah, maybe Dick Costello was just really anti-share sheet.

00:38:30 ◼   ► Could be the only thing, right? Because it's a change.

00:38:34 ◼   ► I mean, you gotta wonder, like,

00:38:37 ◼   ► was it something politically, internally,

00:38:39 ◼   ► that was causing the delay?

00:38:43 ◼   ► I think it's ridiculous.

00:38:44 ◼   ► And we've talked a lot about the Twitter app,

00:38:46 ◼   ► and not to bring all that back up,

00:38:47 ◼   ► but they're just not good,

00:38:49 ◼   ► they're just not good citizens on iOS, or Android, really.

00:38:55 ◼   ► The Android app's not very good either.

00:38:56 ◼   ► - Or the Mac.

00:38:58 ◼   ► - Anywhere, really, except the web.

00:39:00 ◼   ► And even the web app,

00:39:03 ◼   ► logging into it now is it's just not like it's the old it's the old URL and

00:39:11 ◼   ► or the old style I can tweet from that but then if I go to my profile it looks

00:39:15 ◼   ► different but I can't tweet from there like it's what what are you doing it's

00:39:18 ◼   ► not a complicated thing what Twitter does like just make it better let's make

00:39:24 ◼   ► it better it's impossible to understand how some of these companies work and and

00:39:29 ◼   ► And currently, Twitter is really one of them.

00:39:33 ◼   ► And that might be why they're in the situation

00:39:36 ◼   ► that they just lost their CEOs,

00:39:38 ◼   ► because they are so incomprehensible.

00:39:40 ◼   ► But anyway, it's there now if you want it.

00:39:45 ◼   ► The iPad doesn't have it,

00:39:47 ◼   ► and the iPad app today removed the Discover tab.

00:39:50 ◼   ► That was what the iPad got.

00:39:54 ◼   ► The iPad got the removal of a feature,

00:39:57 ◼   ► and the iPhone got a feature that people actually want.

00:40:01 ◼   ► - There's no rhyme or reason to it.

00:40:05 ◼   ► You would think that on one hand that new leadership,

00:40:11 ◼   ► that a new CEO come in and say,

00:40:12 ◼   ► "Hey, look, we're gonna make our apps the best that we can."

00:40:17 ◼   ► There's no reason that the first party client

00:40:21 ◼   ► shouldn't be the best one.

00:40:22 ◼   ► But the reality is on any platform,

00:40:25 ◼   ► there's better third-party alternatives.

00:40:27 ◼   ► And that's, if I were coming into Twitter as leadership,

00:40:30 ◼   ► that seems like a really bad sign

00:40:33 ◼   ► of something internally that's just not gone right.

00:40:37 ◼   ► Either they don't see the value in it, which is concerning,

00:40:41 ◼   ► or they're unable to affect change.

00:40:46 ◼   ► I'm sure there were people who wanted that share sheet there

00:40:48 ◼   ► on day one and who were fighting for it,

00:40:50 ◼   ► but for some reason that couldn't happen.

00:40:53 ◼   ► And whatever process or whatever step along the way

00:40:56 ◼   ► has prevented them from making their apps good,

00:41:00 ◼   ► that should be concerning if you're in charge over there.

00:41:04 ◼   ► - Well sure, because once Apple implement,

00:41:07 ◼   ► or people were doing their own versions of share sheets,

00:41:12 ◼   ► and you have to do whatever you have to do

00:41:14 ◼   ► to keep that up to date and keep that

00:41:16 ◼   ► with additional functionality and et cetera.

00:41:19 ◼   ► As soon as Apple brings in a feature like this,

00:41:22 ◼   ► It's surely easier for you to just implement that.

00:41:26 ◼   ► With developer resources, it must just be easier

00:41:32 ◼   ► to just say, "We'll just use this new API now,

00:41:35 ◼   ► "and then we have a share sheet

00:41:36 ◼   ► "that we don't have to maintain anymore,

00:41:38 ◼   ► "and we don't have to add functionality to

00:41:40 ◼   ► "or remove functionality from like it just is."

00:41:44 ◼   ► So they were having, I'm sure, to work harder to keep it.

00:41:47 ◼   ► I don't understand the way

00:41:51 ◼   ► that these big companies work,

00:41:53 ◼   ► but from working in a big company,

00:41:56 ◼   ► pretty in my previous life,

00:41:58 ◼   ► I know that it was some dumb decisions

00:42:01 ◼   ► made by some dumb people

00:42:02 ◼   ► because they thought that their revenue

00:42:04 ◼   ► was tied up in the share sheet.

00:42:06 ◼   ► - Yeah, that's what made her break it,

00:42:08 ◼   ► just that one feature.

00:42:10 ◼   ► No, it's sad and it's puzzling

00:42:13 ◼   ► as to why they continue down this path, but.

00:42:21 ◼   ► we'll just see how that goes I guess.

00:42:23 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:42:24 ◼   ► We most definitely will.

00:42:26 ◼   ► Okie dokie, shall we move on?

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00:45:04 ◼   ► So up next we're gonna talk about backups a little bit. We're gonna talk about this last week but ran over so we thought we'd slot it in here in our sort of grab bag.

00:45:16 ◼   ► Middle of July there's no news type show. So I've read about backups five years ago which was a moment for me of like holy cow my site has been around a while.

00:45:28 ◼   ► but I thought it'd be time to sort of revisit the my strategy because the

00:45:37 ◼   ► landscape has shifted a little bit so I sort of have three key tenets when it

00:45:41 ◼   ► comes to having a good backup. A backup should be redundant so you have more

00:45:45 ◼   ► than one more than one backup for a couple different reasons. The sort of the

00:45:52 ◼   ► one I call out, I think the most common one is if your time machine drive is

00:45:56 ◼   ► you know plugged in on your desk next to your iMac and something happens to that

00:45:59 ◼   ► desk power surge you know fire somebody breaks in and steals your stuff your

00:46:08 ◼   ► data and your backup were only about four feet away from each other and

00:46:11 ◼   ► that's no good. You can do that but if you have a secondary backup somewhere

00:46:15 ◼   ► else you're protected that way. It should be easy to manage no one wants a backup

00:46:21 ◼   ► that is a pain in the rear to use because the truth is you just don't use it.

00:46:27 ◼   ► Apple discovered this early on in Time Machine which rolled out with OS X

00:46:33 ◼   ► Leopard. Super easy, you plug in a drive you say yes use this for Time Machine and

00:46:37 ◼   ► then you're done with it.

00:46:39 ◼   ► You don't have to worry about is it working, is it not working, did I forget to run it.

00:46:42 ◼   ► Time Machine just takes care of itself and that's really key for any backup

00:46:47 ◼   ► Time Machine and beyond that it's easy to manage. And third one is should be

00:46:51 ◼   ► testable that you should be able to go in and retrieve data on some sort of

00:46:56 ◼   ► basis to make sure that everything's working correctly. Again something Time

00:47:00 ◼   ► Machine does well I can go in and I can pull you know a folder from my desktop

00:47:04 ◼   ► from three weeks ago but if you get something like a bootable backup or

00:47:08 ◼   ► other things that make sure that it's actually doing what you expect it to so

00:47:12 ◼   ► when you do need it when you do have a disk failure or data loss you're not

00:47:16 ◼   ► then surprised that your strategy has failed you. I think those three

00:47:24 ◼   ► laws of backup at least have served me well over the years. We can get

00:47:32 ◼   ► into the details like there's a link in the show notes which you can

00:47:37 ◼   ► find somewhere on the internet I believe. They're over at relay.fm/connected/48

00:47:44 ◼   ► this time. Look at you. The number is different every week if you haven't been paying

00:47:48 ◼   ► attention. So you can find this this link and you can read through kind of what

00:47:53 ◼   ► I'm doing specifically but those are kind of the three things that that come

00:47:57 ◼   ► to mind. Redundancy, ease of use, and testability. I think if you look at those

00:48:04 ◼   ► things and those are the metrics you use at that point the details are not

00:48:11 ◼   ► irrelevant but less important. So for instance I'm using a time machine as

00:48:15 ◼   ► sort of my immediate local backup and then I use arc and Amazon cloud drive as

00:48:24 ◼   ► my off-site and then I also have a set of drives that my MacBook Pro and my

00:48:30 ◼   ► Synology at home are cloned to every every couple weeks and those are stored

00:48:35 ◼   ► off-site in a secure location. So it's again it's having it's multi-layered

00:48:40 ◼   ► right? If my time machine that sits on my desk is right here I can touch it.

00:48:45 ◼   ► If this desk goes away with my laptop on it I'm okay. I've got a redundancy

00:48:51 ◼   ► somewhere else. It's easy to use, Arc and Time Machine are all very easy to use,

00:48:56 ◼   ► SuperDuper which is what I use to back up off-site. Easy to use and I don't have

00:49:01 ◼   ► to worry about like configurations or making sure that all these little knobs

00:49:06 ◼   ► are twisted to the right way and levers are pulled, it all just works. And then it's

00:49:11 ◼   ► all testable. I can go get data from any of these sources at any time I want and see that

00:49:15 ◼   ► everything is behaving correctly.

00:49:20 ◼   ► So I feel like I'm going to say something dangerous right now.

00:49:26 ◼   ► I think your system is crazy.

00:49:28 ◼   ► So Federico said that. I was reading the MaxStory email, which if you haven't subscribed to

00:49:32 ◼   ► should definitely go read it. It's a great email newsletter he puts out on

00:49:36 ◼   ► Fridays. And he linked to it, which I didn't know he was going to do, and he

00:49:40 ◼   ► says "Steven Hackett's backup strategy for OS X is all kinds of paranoid and

00:49:43 ◼   ► wonderful at the same time." I chuckled and actually I sent him a little note.

00:49:48 ◼   ► I said, "You caught me off guard," and I LOL'd while reading a

00:49:53 ◼   ► newsletter on my iPad. So, how so? There's just too much going on here. Like,

00:50:00 ◼   ► Like it's...

00:50:03 ◼   ► There are so many things happening to the point that you have to draw a diagram for

00:50:08 ◼   ► it to make any sense to people.

00:50:10 ◼   ► I did draw a diagram, but it's very simple.

00:50:12 ◼   ► I did it in my node, which is great for this sort of stuff.

00:50:14 ◼   ► It's not simple.

00:50:15 ◼   ► It's not simple.

00:50:16 ◼   ► Right, so where does the Synology get its data from?

00:50:23 ◼   ► So the Synology houses our family iTunes library.

00:50:26 ◼   ► if I buy, we bought Interstellar the other night,

00:50:29 ◼   ► and on the Apple TV, and the iTunes library

00:50:33 ◼   ► sort of the Synology, so now there's a copy

00:50:35 ◼   ► of the Interstellar on my Synology.

00:50:37 ◼   ► Synology also houses archives of stuff,

00:50:40 ◼   ► so everything Relay produces gets downloaded automatically

00:50:43 ◼   ► to the Synology, all of my disk images and stuff,

00:50:45 ◼   ► 'cause I'm still doing some tech consulting.

00:50:47 ◼   ► All that sort of stuff is there,

00:50:48 ◼   ► so it's sort of just a grab bag of big files

00:50:52 ◼   ► I've collected over the years.

00:50:53 ◼   ► And what is off-site USB clone?

00:50:56 ◼   ► - So if you read a little bit further down,

00:51:01 ◼   ► I keep external, still USB drives,

00:51:04 ◼   ► and I clone the Synology over to that drive,

00:51:09 ◼   ► and I keep it off-site.

00:51:11 ◼   ► So it is getting back up to Amazon Cloud Drive,

00:51:12 ◼   ► even though that's taking forever,

00:51:15 ◼   ► but I have a complete copy of my Synology stored elsewhere.

00:51:18 ◼   ► So if the Synology goes away or the house burns down,

00:51:21 ◼   ► or you could say by lightning on the day like today,

00:51:24 ◼   ► all that data is elsewhere safe and sound.

00:51:28 ◼   ► - Okay, so the Synology, right, this is fine to me.

00:51:31 ◼   ► That all makes sense.

00:51:32 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:51:33 ◼   ► - All right, I just wanted to lay all that out there first.

00:51:35 ◼   ► - Okay.

00:51:36 ◼   ► - The Synology has data on it which isn't anywhere else.

00:51:38 ◼   ► - Correct.

00:51:39 ◼   ► - So it makes sense.

00:51:40 ◼   ► That was why I asked where is its data coming from

00:51:42 ◼   ► because if everything was just coming from your MacBook,

00:51:44 ◼   ► then that was crazy to me.

00:51:46 ◼   ► - Yeah, the Synology houses stuff that is,

00:51:48 ◼   ► I mean, I have four and a half terabytes in use.

00:51:51 ◼   ► It's way bigger than I could put on any one machine.

00:51:53 ◼   ► So it's sort of the central hub of all of our stuff.

00:51:56 ◼   ► - Right.

00:51:57 ◼   ► So, and then it is offsite by USB,

00:52:00 ◼   ► which I've always found offsite backups peculiar.

00:52:03 ◼   ► I know like physical offsite backups.

00:52:05 ◼   ► I've always found those peculiar.

00:52:07 ◼   ► I know why people do them, but I would just not do that.

00:52:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, so I could address that real quickly.

00:52:12 ◼   ► You can, like backing this thing up to Amazon Cloud Drive,

00:52:17 ◼   ► which if you haven't checked out, it's 60 bucks a year,

00:52:19 ◼   ► it's unlimited storage and bandwidth,

00:52:20 ◼   ► it's stored on AWS, like great service.

00:52:23 ◼   ► That would suffice for the offsite backup

00:52:29 ◼   ► if my, again, my house gets burned down,

00:52:31 ◼   ► it gets hit by lightning and the thing gets cooked.

00:52:33 ◼   ► Then my data is outside of my home.

00:52:36 ◼   ► So either one serves as an offsite backup.

00:52:39 ◼   ► The reason I do both is that the USB clone

00:52:42 ◼   ► is immediately available,

00:52:43 ◼   ► where Amazon Cloud Drive, like if my

00:52:46 ◼   ► Synology goes up in flames. I can get that four and a half terabytes back from Amazon, but it's going to take

00:52:52 ◼   ► forever to download all that again and

00:52:56 ◼   ► and so for me the Amazon cloud drive is like a super rainy day where

00:53:00 ◼   ► Something has happened to the Synology and the off-site drive for some reason. It's it's my safety net

00:53:04 ◼   ► So you can choose one or the other and and you know

00:53:08 ◼   ► There's a lot of good services to do this

00:53:10 ◼   ► One reason I chose Amazon cloud drives because the knowledge you can talk to it natively

00:53:13 ◼   ► I don't have to run an app somewhere else and then pipe my data through a Mac mini somewhere but

00:53:18 ◼   ► So now the Synology OS can talk directly to Amazon cloud drive just built in

00:53:23 ◼   ► Which was a big factor in choosing it as my off-site cloud solution

00:53:28 ◼   ► Okay. Yes, the Macbook Pro is complicated. I

00:53:31 ◼   ► This is where it gets crazy. Okay, because so you have on your Macbook Pro you have two different time machines

00:53:39 ◼   ► Yes, right one which is why you local USB and one which is hosted in a Synology

00:53:44 ◼   ► Yes both at home, right?

00:53:47 ◼   ► The the local that the time machine just it's a external order. I've plugged in my back Pro is at work

00:53:52 ◼   ► So even though I'm working for myself now or sort of and then definitely will be the end of the month

00:53:58 ◼   ► I have a I have office space that's not in the home. And so that time machine drive sits here on the desk again

00:54:04 ◼   ► It's right here. It's like

00:54:05 ◼   ► Right right there

00:54:09 ◼   ► the

00:54:10 ◼   ► the idea between of having time machine at work at the office and at home is that

00:54:17 ◼   ► My data may change

00:54:20 ◼   ► Sometimes drastically editing a show or something can drastically change over the course of a couple days and I might be

00:54:27 ◼   ► At work. I'm at the office, you know, maybe two or three times a week

00:54:32 ◼   ► Maybe I don't really know yet and so the time machine on the Synology is relatively new

00:54:37 ◼   ► I know that I will be home and that the MacBook Pro will be at home and plugged in and so I've got

00:54:41 ◼   ► Time Machine both places just to make sure that

00:54:45 ◼   ► At least one of them is the most up-to-date

00:54:49 ◼   ► So this would make sense

00:54:52 ◼   ► If it wasn't them for an off-site bootable USB clone updated bi-weekly with superduper. Yes

00:55:00 ◼   ► So the

00:55:05 ◼   ► Okay, no, it's fine. So super duper which we should put in the show notes is a great utility

00:55:09 ◼   ► I can do lots of things I use it as hey, I want just a bootable snapshot because time machines not bootable

00:55:15 ◼   ► so if the SSD my Pro were to were to croak or I needed to

00:55:20 ◼   ► Ship it off and had a loaner machine or something

00:55:23 ◼   ► It would be a little bit of work to install

00:55:26 ◼   ► os10 and then like restore time machine backup it and that's all doable and if

00:55:32 ◼   ► But I wanted something I get up and running quickly because my only machine it's a production machine here at relay

00:55:37 ◼   ► My entire livelihood now goes through this MacBook Pro and so to have something where I can get back up and running

00:55:45 ◼   ► Quickly is important to me now. You might say well Steven if it's only updated by weekly your data might not be

00:55:51 ◼   ► Completely, you know up-to-date and that's okay

00:55:54 ◼   ► Really this drive just just exists

00:55:58 ◼   ► So I have something that can boot off of and have my software and have my settings and have everything

00:56:03 ◼   ► If I need to be up and running quickly after some sort of disaster

00:56:08 ◼   ► You could get a Mac up and running really quickly

00:56:13 ◼   ► No, I can't any day and out of all of the four little sprockets shooting out of the MacBook Pro

00:56:20 ◼   ► like this is the one that is could probably go away and like I not

00:56:25 ◼   ► Really realize it because I already have an off-site physical backup because I'm backing up at work and at home

00:56:30 ◼   ► So I already have like a physical disk at each location with my data

00:56:34 ◼   ► It's already off-site in that way this this really is sort of a legacy part of my backup system that I've kept around

00:56:40 ◼   ► Just in case because I had the hard disk already and it's already set up so I'm just plug it into it

00:56:47 ◼   ► And where do you keep this? I?

00:56:49 ◼   ► Can't tell you that really where do you keep it? It's safe and sound somewhere. Come on

00:56:54 ◼   ► Where is it kept? Is it a family members house?

00:56:56 ◼   ► And I'll face that it is that it is that a family members house is no long

00:57:00 ◼   ► It is no it is not at the home or the office. Okay, and

00:57:04 ◼   ► Then you also have Amazon cloud drive

00:57:07 ◼   ► Yes, why?

00:57:10 ◼   ► It's like I mean I'm using it as opposed to something like crash my back blaze both of which are great

00:57:17 ◼   ► Regardless of their sponsorship status or not crash plan back blaze are both really good services

00:57:23 ◼   ► And if you need off-site cloud backup like go check them out. They're easy to use. They're really cheap

00:57:29 ◼   ► I switched over

00:57:31 ◼   ► Tamazan cloud drive very recently because I was already

00:57:35 ◼   ► Paying for it to back the Synology up to it

00:57:39 ◼   ► And so for me this when I set it up for the Synology

00:57:43 ◼   ► It was just a simplification of oh I can also back up the MacBook Pro to it

00:57:48 ◼   ► Because I was using a crash plan up until this point. I use arc ARQ which is

00:57:53 ◼   ► It's one of those little pieces of Mac software. That's just delightful for like the

00:57:58 ◼   ► I'm sure the very small people number people who use it

00:58:01 ◼   ► You can back up to s3 Dropbox Google Drive all sorts of crazy stuff

00:58:05 ◼   ► And I have my home folder backing up to it just over the white

00:58:09 ◼   ► You know if I'm at home or I'm at work. I'm on the Wi-Fi. It's just backing up

00:58:13 ◼   ► Just my home folder

00:58:16 ◼   ► again

00:58:17 ◼   ► like the Synology Cloud backup, this is a

00:58:20 ◼   ► Truly worst-case scenario like my house burns down why my off-site drives are in it, you know

00:58:26 ◼   ► because I have to bring this home and update them or

00:58:29 ◼   ► if for some reason I've got time machine issues or you know, something like that where I

00:58:36 ◼   ► Need something that's sort of outside Apple system

00:58:39 ◼   ► It's available to me on Amazon cloud drive and arc encrypts it all and so I just install arc

00:58:45 ◼   ► Decrypt the files and download them and can go from there

00:58:48 ◼   ► All of this just seems like too much to me

00:58:52 ◼   ► It it it's it is a lot. There's no getting around that but for me

00:58:58 ◼   ► There's there's a subset of my day that if it were to go away

00:59:02 ◼   ► I would be okay with it because it's not stuff that I actively need a lot of that's now in the Synology

00:59:08 ◼   ► So for instance, I have you know a bunch of like OS X installers

00:59:13 ◼   ► From I mean, I think all the way back to like the public beta

00:59:16 ◼   ► I don't need those but I like to have them around because I write about the stuff and it's handy if that if that

00:59:22 ◼   ► Directory were to go away. I can rebuild that I can get those

00:59:26 ◼   ► Installers again if I need them

00:59:29 ◼   ► So there's sort of that level of data

00:59:32 ◼   ► but on the other hand a lot of my data in

00:59:35 ◼   ► In some ways is irreplaceable. So things like my photo library

00:59:39 ◼   ► cannot be

00:59:42 ◼   ► recreate it, right? I can't make my kids be babies again and do that cute thing they did three years ago.

00:59:48 ◼   ► So for me that sort of data

00:59:51 ◼   ► documents I'm currently working on so things like I'm writing drafts I'm working on

00:59:57 ◼   ► projects that Myke that you and I do that might not be in Google Drive that you know

01:00:02 ◼   ► I might have locally for some reason.

01:00:04 ◼   ► That sort of stuff, editing a podcast,

01:00:06 ◼   ► that sort of stuff is is irreplaceable and

01:00:12 ◼   ► So for me like because this thing is redundant because it's easy to use it

01:00:15 ◼   ► I don't touch any other than like bringing the off-site

01:00:18 ◼   ► USB drives home every couple weeks. There's no

01:00:21 ◼   ► Nothing I have to do like I pause arc and time machine if I'm recording but that's about it. And

01:00:27 ◼   ► So it's not like it's it's this weight on my shoulders. I have to worry about

01:00:32 ◼   ► That make sure all my backup things are going

01:00:35 ◼   ► But it is a weight off my shoulders knowing that hey, you know what like if my photo library were to go away

01:00:41 ◼   ► way it is in on my machine on Dropbox one two you know three other places four

01:00:49 ◼   ► other places because I need to make sure that those things are safe and sound.

01:00:54 ◼   ► So any any other questions? I have some but they're not related to your Mac. Okay.

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01:04:01 ◼   ► never really bothered with too much backup stuff. It's just not really

01:04:05 ◼   ► something that I ever fussed with too much, much to your dismay. But I have kind

01:04:11 ◼   ► of got that in check a bit more now but it's still nowhere near close to what

01:04:15 ◼   ► you do. So my backup is kind of split into a few different things

01:04:21 ◼   ► like yours is. So I have two machines. I don't have any servers or anything like

01:04:24 ◼   ► there I have my MacBook Pro and I have the Mac Pro. The MacBook Pro is backed

01:04:31 ◼   ► up to Backblaze. That's what I use. Backblaze is a past sponsor, it is a

01:04:36 ◼   ► future sponsor, but it is the company that I choose to back up my data to

01:04:40 ◼   ► because it's the one that I like the most. I think the tools are very simple,

01:04:44 ◼   ► it's easy for me to schedule things. I have a bad internet connection so

01:04:48 ◼   ► uploading can throttle me and I really like their scheduling tools. My internet

01:04:53 ◼   ► connection is terrible I get like was like sometimes it can be about like two

01:04:58 ◼   ► megabytes up like is what I get on a good day good I'm lucky if I get one so

01:05:05 ◼   ► it's really important to me to have a tool that kind of label me to very

01:05:09 ◼   ► easily pull things which I can do and also to schedule things as well so it

01:05:13 ◼   ► doesn't interrupt at the times when I'm most productive right like when I'm

01:05:17 ◼   ► trying to get work done and just literally because I'm uploading a file

01:05:20 ◼   ► Dropbox and I'm uploading some files to Backblaze I cannot load web pages so

01:05:25 ◼   ► it's very important to me that I have good tools like Backblaze that allow me to

01:05:28 ◼   ► schedule things so that's why I use them. So that's what I have there. My MacBook

01:05:34 ◼   ► Pro I use Backblaze for it that's all. The Mac Pro has a time machine

01:05:40 ◼   ► drive attached to it that's all that has. Now I have two reasons for this again

01:05:47 ◼   ► the Mac Pro has very very large files on it very large files multiple gigabyte

01:05:53 ◼   ► files I can't have that upload to the cloud right because the Mac Pro actually

01:06:00 ◼   ► is tethered to a mobile LTE hotspot it's a big game over after one backup

01:06:06 ◼   ► yep cannot do it because I have to pay quite a lot of money just to be able to

01:06:12 ◼   ► transfer some of the files around that we transfer around every week for all

01:06:16 ◼   ► the different shows and the multiple multiple multiple gigabytes of audio but

01:06:22 ◼   ► my key thing in all of this is the most important stuff for me is in Dropbox

01:06:29 ◼   ► mm-hmm that's where all my files are like every file that I need to worry

01:06:35 ◼   ► about is in Dropbox like so much so that when I had a hard drive not hard drive

01:06:41 ◼   ► there well I poured liquid into my computer and it killed the hard drive

01:06:45 ◼   ► along with everything else. I didn't feel like I lost anything. I have

01:06:50 ◼   ► never to this day felt like there was something that I lost because everything

01:06:54 ◼   ► was in Dropbox. I mean now it's also in back place as well so I'm doubling that

01:06:58 ◼   ► which is great. I've recently as well you don't know if you know this I pay for

01:07:01 ◼   ► Dropbox now. Congratulations to me.

01:07:07 ◼   ► It's good yeah I did I've paid it for it for a couple years. It's one of those

01:07:11 ◼   ► things like a terabyte of space is crazy no one will ever use it but um yeah I

01:07:16 ◼   ► don't need it I don't need it because I mean a terabyte is bigger than either of

01:07:21 ◼   ► the hard drives right Jason spoke about this before that's bigger bigger than

01:07:24 ◼   ► either of the the SSDs that I have in either of my machines yeah but it's I

01:07:30 ◼   ► was just too frequently bumping up against limits so I was just like forget

01:07:34 ◼   ► it I'm just gonna pay for it a lot of the stuff that you put on your

01:07:38 ◼   ► I don't have, like, that data doesn't exist to me, like the media stuff.

01:07:45 ◼   ► I don't have movies that I can't re-download, I don't have music that I

01:07:52 ◼   ► don't stream or can re-download, and all of my photos go to Dropbox. So they're

01:07:58 ◼   ► stored locally on my machines, they're stored in Dropbox, they're stored in iCloud, they're

01:08:02 ◼   ► also stored in Google Photos. So like that is all over the place and that all

01:08:09 ◼   ► kind of works for me. I love having Time Machine on the Mac Pro. I'm not kidding

01:08:14 ◼   ► you, in the last three weeks on two separate occasions I've had to use Time

01:08:19 ◼   ► Machine to get files from folders that are on my desktop. Because I put scratch

01:08:24 ◼   ► files and like logic files and stuff like that. They just go on to my desktop

01:08:28 ◼   ► Because after about two or three days, I never need a logic file again.

01:08:35 ◼   ► They're just not needed. I've never ever needed to go back to a logic file

01:08:40 ◼   ► after like three months or whatever, even after a week. Once the show's out

01:08:45 ◼   ► there, it's kind of that's all it ever needs to be. But there are times where I

01:08:49 ◼   ► might need to grab an audio file or I accidentally deleted a couple of audio

01:08:54 ◼   ► files from my desktop a couple of weeks ago and I was able to go in and grab

01:08:59 ◼   ► them both on separate occasions using Time Machine which is great. I've also as

01:09:03 ◼   ► well, again I don't know what's been happening to me recently in the last

01:09:05 ◼   ► couple of weeks, used Dropbox's fantastic versioning.

01:09:11 ◼   ► Yeah it's really good.

01:09:13 ◼   ► Like it's just incredibly good. And one of those occasions was simply just because it was

01:09:20 ◼   ► easier for me to get that rather than ask someone to send me a file. Like I had

01:09:26 ◼   ► a shared a file with someone. They had the file that I needed but I deleted it

01:09:30 ◼   ► from my folder because I didn't need it anymore. But it was easy for me to just go in, log

01:09:34 ◼   ► in, restore it. It downloads in like 20 seconds and I'm good to go again. That is

01:09:39 ◼   ► effectively my backup strategy. It is partly because of constraints that I

01:09:45 ◼   ► have. Like if I had fast internet then I would also be putting the Mac Pro onto

01:09:50 ◼   ► Backblaze as well, but I just can't do that because it's not possible for me to

01:09:56 ◼   ► do it with the internet situation I have. And I also I don't want to be... I

01:10:03 ◼   ► don't have a dock or anything for my Macbook Pro, so I don't plug it in to

01:10:09 ◼   ► put like to back up to Time Machine but my MacBook Pro when I open

01:10:18 ◼   ► finder like Dropbox is I set that to open because that's where all my files

01:10:23 ◼   ► are like I don't put anything that I need anywhere on my MacBook Pro other

01:10:28 ◼   ► than Dropbox like it's just where my files go so I don't need to worry about

01:10:32 ◼   ► it I don't have any media stored on this machine like it's not an issue for me so

01:10:36 ◼   ► So the way that I look at it, the Dropbox is the great place for it.

01:10:40 ◼   ► And then my Dropbox is backed up to the Time Machine.

01:10:45 ◼   ► Because it's via the Mac Pro.

01:10:47 ◼   ► Right, it's there as well.

01:10:49 ◼   ► Yep, and it's also in back place.

01:10:51 ◼   ► Yeah, I mean, I'm the same way with Dropbox.

01:10:54 ◼   ► I mean, besides logic stuff, because I don't have a separate editing machine, my photos,

01:10:59 ◼   ► major diagram stuff are in Dropbox.

01:11:02 ◼   ► And that's a really good point about their versioning systems.

01:11:05 ◼   ► you if I look at change or removed or something you can go back and find it

01:11:12 ◼   ► now it's not it doesn't last forever you know it's there is a limit to the extent

01:11:18 ◼   ► of versioning Dropbox will do for the source situation you were in like hey I

01:11:22 ◼   ► just need to grab this thing I knew it was here a couple days ago whatever

01:11:25 ◼   ► it's really good and you can just restore it and it's um it's pretty great

01:11:30 ◼   ► and it's I think relatively new they haven't had it forever but it's

01:11:35 ◼   ► definitely a nice feature if you're looking at Dropbox as sort of a cloud

01:11:38 ◼   ► storage provider. Yeah and as Joe Steele said in the chat room, Dropbox versions

01:11:43 ◼   ► aren't forever, which is true, and then he also corrected himself by saying, "But

01:11:47 ◼   ► they're on my time machine." Right, so I have this weird setup, right, that kind of

01:11:51 ◼   ► via the two machines that I have, I feel pretty safe about my data, because

01:11:58 ◼   ► they are, yes, both in the same physical space, they actually sit next to each

01:12:02 ◼   ► other. They are literally next to each other at some points. They bang

01:12:06 ◼   ► into each other. But the data is kind of split across two different cloud

01:12:13 ◼   ► services, two SSDs, and a hard drive. It all meets around. I don't have

01:12:21 ◼   ► the off-site bootable backup like you do, but it's not an issue for me. I just

01:12:28 ◼   ► need to wait for a very very slow Dropbox download to occur. You know

01:12:33 ◼   ► it's not the end of the world like I could just wait for it just set it over a

01:12:38 ◼   ► couple of nights and I'll have everything back. It is what it is

01:12:43 ◼   ► considering the constraints I have this system works really well for me.

01:12:48 ◼   ► No I think I think you're a good example of like of those three rules I think you

01:12:54 ◼   ► I think you meet the criteria where it you don't have an off-site but it is

01:12:58 ◼   ► redundant in a sense that the main data on your macbook pro is also somewhere

01:13:02 ◼   ► else so that's redundant to a degree easy to manage and you know testable

01:13:07 ◼   ► you've been testing at the last couple weeks as some might say and so I think I

01:13:11 ◼   ► think that's sort of like the key here like no one like doing something is

01:13:17 ◼   ► better than doing nothing like if you look at my article and say well holy cow

01:13:21 ◼   ► I'm never gonna be able to do that.

01:13:22 ◼   ► I'm not gonna do anything.

01:13:25 ◼   ► That's the wrong approach.

01:13:26 ◼   ► It's all about finding what works for you in your budget

01:13:30 ◼   ► or in what hardware you have available to you

01:13:32 ◼   ► or in your situation with your upload speed being abysmal.

01:13:36 ◼   ► You can't do anything about that, unfortunately.

01:13:38 ◼   ► And so you have to live within the constraints

01:13:40 ◼   ► that it gives you.

01:13:41 ◼   ► And you've done that by doing a hotspot

01:13:43 ◼   ► for recording on Skype.

01:13:45 ◼   ► But it's just a matter of fact,

01:13:48 ◼   ► you just can't push gigabytes of stuff

01:13:50 ◼   ► to the cloud over that connection.

01:13:52 ◼   ► And so I think things like Dropbox,

01:13:55 ◼   ► well, I don't really like the idea of syncing

01:13:59 ◼   ► like software type stuff being a backup

01:14:05 ◼   ► in reality it sort of is.

01:14:07 ◼   ► I've got issues with it,

01:14:08 ◼   ► but it gets your data somewhere else.

01:14:10 ◼   ► And that's really the key thing here

01:14:12 ◼   ► where if your data is just on one machine,

01:14:14 ◼   ► your data is temporary, it's the way it is.

01:14:17 ◼   ► Because things fail, you drop a Coke on it,

01:14:20 ◼   ► it gets stolen off the subway,

01:14:22 ◼   ► like just the life happens to these devices.

01:14:24 ◼   ► And so to have that data elsewhere on the Mac at least

01:14:29 ◼   ► is not as easy as iOS,

01:14:34 ◼   ► but it's definitely doable and definitely sustainable

01:14:37 ◼   ► if you set it up correctly.

01:14:39 ◼   ► - Yep.

01:14:41 ◼   ► So my, I said I had another question for you,

01:14:46 ◼   ► which is iOS devices.

01:14:49 ◼   ► there's not really much you can do there.

01:14:53 ◼   ► Yeah I mean I back mine up to iCloud I pay for like the lowest tier iCloud

01:14:58 ◼   ► space because they're stenchy and my iPad and iPhone back up to iCloud. If I

01:15:04 ◼   ► do a big software update so like between versions or if I go to the beta I will

01:15:09 ◼   ► also I will do a backup to iTunes and just set that aside because if you

01:15:17 ◼   ► say you upgrade from iOS 8 to iOS 9 and for some reason you need to go back

01:15:22 ◼   ► which is very difficult but if you do your iCloud backup might be iOS 9

01:15:28 ◼   ► only. At times that's been true, other times it hasn't been and so the only

01:15:33 ◼   ► thing you really can do there is use iCloud then use iTunes as needed.

01:15:41 ◼   ► What really surprises me is that you don't have a biweekly or monthly regular backup

01:15:48 ◼   ► to iTunes.

01:15:49 ◼   ► I mean for me like...

01:15:52 ◼   ► But the reason I say this I know because you know, I know what you're about to say.

01:15:56 ◼   ► That you don't generate a lot of data or create a lot of data on the device.

01:16:00 ◼   ► But considering how many different ways you backup what's on your Mac.

01:16:05 ◼   ► Like five different ways basically.

01:16:07 ◼   ► I'm just surprised you don't at least do this every now and then.

01:16:10 ◼   ► I also sync my devices including purchases to iTunes like a lot more than I think Apple

01:16:17 ◼   ► wants me to.

01:16:21 ◼   ► If I needed to restore from iCloud then I could plug into iTunes and sync my apps back

01:16:25 ◼   ► over and so I'm sort of halfway there.

01:16:29 ◼   ► But yeah I see what you're saying.

01:16:32 ◼   ► I definitely see what you're getting at.

01:16:36 ◼   ► I'm worried that I'm causing some kind of nightmare now.

01:16:39 ◼   ► Yeah, let me just open my to-do list here and just make a repeating task.

01:16:46 ◼   ► iOS devices for me is kind of, and I do create a lot of data on them, but it's kind of just

01:16:52 ◼   ► like, eh, it goes to iCloud, I'm sure it'll be fine.

01:16:55 ◼   ► Yeah, you know if I had to rebuild an iOS device from scratch, like, my photos all get

01:17:00 ◼   ► sucked up to Dropbox automatically, so, and iCloud photo stream, even though I'm not using

01:17:05 ◼   ► photos anymore different topic but um if my iPad disappeared and my cloud backup

01:17:12 ◼   ► was three weeks old like it wouldn't be the end of the world we're on the Mac it

01:17:16 ◼   ► might be depending on what I'm doing what I'm working on so yeah it would be

01:17:22 ◼   ► nice to have you know some other alternatives for iOS I don't even know

01:17:27 ◼   ► what they would be you know I don't see them saying oh if you have a Synology

01:17:30 ◼   ► you can back your iOS device up to your Synology like that's just not going to

01:17:34 ◼   ► to happen. But the iCloud backup is really good. I haven't really ever had issues

01:17:38 ◼   ► out of it so I'll give Apple props there that what they have

01:17:43 ◼   ► included, like on the Mac with Time Machine, works pretty well most of the

01:17:47 ◼   ► time. I haven't ever had big issues with either Time Machine or iCloud backup on

01:17:52 ◼   ► iOS so I think they're doing something right there.

01:17:56 ◼   ► Is it weird that there isn't iCloud for the Mac? Like iCloud backups for the Mac?

01:18:02 ◼   ► - Yeah, I don't know what they would back up.

01:18:03 ◼   ► I mean, most people's user folder is gonna be,

01:18:07 ◼   ► you know, tens of gigabytes, if not hundreds of gigabytes.

01:18:11 ◼   ► And so, and maybe one day at this point,

01:18:14 ◼   ► looking at their pricing page,

01:18:16 ◼   ► like I don't know what they would charge for it.

01:18:18 ◼   ► I mean, my home folder at the time of this article

01:18:21 ◼   ► is probably the same.

01:18:22 ◼   ► Yeah, about 310 gigs.

01:18:24 ◼   ► That's a lot of data and Apple is just not

01:18:26 ◼   ► a big data company like Amazon or Backblaze or CrashPlan.

01:18:31 ◼   ► It'd be great if they get there. I think they might one day but I'm not surprised

01:18:35 ◼   ► I haven't done it yet.

01:18:38 ◼   ► Because you know that they could at least just back up like...

01:18:42 ◼   ► because they would know what media they wouldn't have to back up right?

01:18:46 ◼   ► They could build a tool in OS X and be like "we don't need to back up this movie!"

01:18:52 ◼   ► Because we know it's already in iTunes you know?

01:18:56 ◼   ► Agreed.

01:18:58 ◼   ► I don't know, I don't know, it's just something to think about but it is kind of just like

01:19:03 ◼   ► a, we give you this thing that you can plug in other than that go elsewhere.

01:19:08 ◼   ► I think that's probably how I think about it.

01:19:10 ◼   ► Yeah I think so.

01:19:12 ◼   ► Right, have you got anything else?

01:19:14 ◼   ► I think that about wraps it up for me.

01:19:16 ◼   ► I think that's it.

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