Connected

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00:00:06 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 52.

00:00:11 ◼   ► Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace,

00:00:13 ◼   ► Build It Beautiful, Hover, Simplified Domain Management, and Fracture.

00:00:18 ◼   ► Photos printed in vivid color directly on glass.

00:00:21 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and I am joined by Mr. Stephen Hackett.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hey Myke.

00:00:26 ◼   ► How you doing?

00:00:27 ◼   ► I'm good.

00:00:29 ◼   ► and Mr. Federico Vitticci.

00:00:31 ◼   ► >> Hey, guys.

00:00:32 ◼   ► >> Hey, Federico. Welcome back.

00:00:34 ◼   ► >> Thank you. I missed you.

00:00:36 ◼   ► I missed Steven's sweet southern accent last week.

00:00:41 ◼   ► >> Whoa. What about me?

00:00:43 ◼   ► >> Well, you are kind of, you know.

00:00:45 ◼   ► >> You are hit or miss.

00:00:47 ◼   ► >> I kind of missed you. No, I'm joking.

00:00:50 ◼   ► I missed you too, Myke.

00:00:52 ◼   ► It's just that Steven has the voice of an adult, whereas you're more like,

00:00:56 ◼   ► You know when you watch like a TV show and you can tell it's not an American TV show?

00:01:01 ◼   ► That's kind of what you are.

00:01:03 ◼   ► Wow.

00:01:04 ◼   ► Like you know those TV shows on MTV, they come from the UK.

00:01:08 ◼   ► I'm just kidding, I don't know why I say that. I love you too Myke. It's good to be back.

00:01:13 ◼   ► Thanks.

00:01:15 ◼   ► Are you upset?

00:01:16 ◼   ► I'm not upset, no. Not completely.

00:01:19 ◼   ► Not completely. I wonder what it will take me for me to upset you completely.

00:01:24 ◼   ► Are you even capable of being completely upset? I don't know if people in the UK can be completely upset.

00:01:30 ◼   ► Well, whether people in the UK can or can't, I am very capable of being completely upset.

00:01:36 ◼   ► There are a few people who have managed to do it, but those people, they know about it.

00:01:44 ◼   ► And they're all dead.

00:01:45 ◼   ► So I'm back this week, but I'll miss you guys next week.

00:01:50 ◼   ► But I'll be on vacation. I'll be thinking of you and sending you pictures and

00:01:55 ◼   ► Instagrams of the sweet sweet food that I will get to eat during my vacation.

00:02:00 ◼   ► I feel like I'm missing out on Italian summers here because you just got

00:02:05 ◼   ► back from vacation and you're going on another vacation.

00:02:08 ◼   ► Well the thing about Italians and the summer is that we have a culture for going to the beach from

00:02:17 ◼   ► from June to after the 15th of August.

00:02:21 ◼   ► Really, this is really ingrained in our culture.

00:02:26 ◼   ► Italians need to go to the beach as often as possible.

00:02:31 ◼   ► And since I was a kid, basically our school system is structured in a way that

00:02:36 ◼   ► school ends around the 10th or usually like the 12th of June

00:02:41 ◼   ► and resumes basically in the first week of September.

00:02:46 ◼   ► And in those three months we got to do nothing.

00:02:49 ◼   ► I don't know if it's the same in other countries, that's the way that it works in Italy.

00:02:53 ◼   ► So in those three months when you're a kid, you're on vacation for three months.

00:02:57 ◼   ► And you're given like summer homework, that kind of stuff, you gotta read the book, but

00:03:03 ◼   ► nobody really ever does that.

00:03:06 ◼   ► So I never did my homework for the summer.

00:03:10 ◼   ► Because my parents had beach house I would go there for three months.

00:03:14 ◼   ► And in general Italians, every single weekend of the summer, if they are close to the beach,

00:03:21 ◼   ► and by close I mean like an hour, maybe a couple of hours, they tend to go there because

00:03:25 ◼   ► it's what you do in the summer.

00:03:26 ◼   ► And especially in the month of August, from the first day to the 15th, which is a national

00:03:33 ◼   ► holiday here, every Italian goes on vacation really.

00:03:39 ◼   ► And the recession has been especially problematic for us, of course, in the past few years.

00:03:46 ◼   ► But even during the economic recession, we tried to at least go on one vacation, one

00:03:53 ◼   ► real vacation.

00:03:54 ◼   ► So I'm lucky enough to have the beach house.

00:03:57 ◼   ► But when I was younger, my parents and I, we would go on two or three vacations because

00:04:01 ◼   ► in Italy, economically speaking, we were in a really good spot.

00:04:06 ◼   ► These days, most Italians, I would say, if they can afford to, they go on a single vacation,

00:04:13 ◼   ► maybe just like a couple of days, but especially for the 15th of August, either you go to the

00:04:18 ◼   ► beach or you go on vacation.

00:04:21 ◼   ► And I guess, a great thing of being in Italy is that unless you live in the northern part

00:04:28 ◼   ► of Italy, the beach is always pretty close.

00:04:32 ◼   ► So it's great being here.

00:04:36 ◼   ► And the food is fantastic and the beach is awesome.

00:04:39 ◼   ► It's always been a problem for me actually working from home, carrying my work around.

00:04:46 ◼   ► Thanks to the iPad I can be anywhere I want.

00:04:48 ◼   ► I just cannot record the shows because I cannot use the microphone with the iPad.

00:04:53 ◼   ► Please don't send us feedback about that.

00:04:55 ◼   ► I like that you're on this train now.

00:04:58 ◼   ► We should do some follow up.

00:05:00 ◼   ► What kind of train?

00:05:01 ◼   ► The idea of you also won't record on the iPad.

00:05:05 ◼   ► Oh yes, yes that's um, well maybe with the iPad Pro you know.

00:05:10 ◼   ► - Could record on a new MacBook.

00:05:12 ◼   ► Follow up, we've been speaking about watchOS 2,

00:05:20 ◼   ► we spoke last week about my watch review

00:05:23 ◼   ► and the fact that apps are slow

00:05:25 ◼   ► and that perhaps is coloring at least my impressions

00:05:28 ◼   ► and maybe the impressions of others

00:05:30 ◼   ► of what their party apps could be.

00:05:31 ◼   ► And we asked, you know, the question of who is telling

00:05:34 ◼   ► people that watch OS 2 will be faster.

00:05:36 ◼   ► And according to Chris on Twitter,

00:05:39 ◼   ► Apple retail is telling people

00:05:41 ◼   ► that watch the OS 2 will be faster.

00:05:43 ◼   ► I have not experienced this firsthand,

00:05:46 ◼   ► but I could see that if people are complaining

00:05:48 ◼   ► at the Genius Bar or to an Apple Store employee,

00:05:50 ◼   ► they would say, "Hey, you know,

00:05:51 ◼   ► "it's gonna be better real soon, hang in there."

00:05:54 ◼   ► It's a new dawn is coming, if you will.

00:06:00 ◼   ► - This feels like a maverick Apple Store employee

00:06:04 ◼   ► rather than company policy.

00:06:06 ◼   ► - I had that thought as well.

00:06:08 ◼   ► Generally, at least in my experience,

00:06:12 ◼   ► you weren't supposed to really discuss future releases,

00:06:15 ◼   ► even for a period, even if it was on Apple's website.

00:06:19 ◼   ► It's like, well, it's not in the store,

00:06:21 ◼   ► I can't show it to you.

00:06:22 ◼   ► So I don't know.

00:06:24 ◼   ► I think that, but then I think, you know,

00:06:27 ◼   ► Apple is a different company than it was eight years ago

00:06:29 ◼   ► and is more open and more conversational

00:06:34 ◼   ► in nature than it used to be.

00:06:36 ◼   ► So maybe this is going on.

00:06:38 ◼   ► I did not get a chance to ask my retail birdies

00:06:41 ◼   ► if there was anything official about this.

00:06:42 ◼   ► But it does lead to some questions I have about WatchOS 2.

00:06:47 ◼   ► You guys are both running iOS 9 on your phones, correct?

00:06:54 ◼   ► - Yes. - Yes.

00:06:56 ◼   ► - Does it, is there any sort of like,

00:06:59 ◼   ► at this point at least any sort of alert or notification saying hey you can update your

00:07:02 ◼   ► watch or is it treated as a very separate thing?

00:07:05 ◼   ► The installation process for watchOS 2 on the beta is

00:07:10 ◼   ► I wouldn't say hell

00:07:11 ◼   ► but like

00:07:12 ◼   ► what's between

00:07:14 ◼   ► earth and hell that's what watchOS 2

00:07:17 ◼   ► installation developer thing is

00:07:19 ◼   ► it's very annoying basically there's no problem there's no dialogue you just get

00:07:23 ◼   ► like a refreshed

00:07:25 ◼   ► Apple Watch app that's got a bunch more settings like there's a complications

00:07:30 ◼   ► setting, there's a bunch of new options but otherwise you wouldn't be able to

00:07:34 ◼   ► tell

00:07:35 ◼   ► that it requires a different version of watchOS.

00:07:38 ◼   ► To install watchOS you need to go to the developer

00:07:41 ◼   ► website, log into the device management portal,

00:07:46 ◼   ► you need to enter the unique identifier of your Apple Watch which

00:07:50 ◼   ► to find you need to download a better version of Xcode,

00:07:54 ◼   ► connect your iPhone and you'll get the the the paired information of the paired Apple

00:08:00 ◼   ► Watch then you will get the identifier paste it into the website then you need to download

00:08:05 ◼   ► a certificate that you need to install on your phone by mailing the certificate to yourself

00:08:11 ◼   ► and tap it on the mail app.

00:08:14 ◼   ► No, I'm not done.

00:08:17 ◼   ► Then you will install this certificate which won't install the beta on your watch.

00:08:24 ◼   ► But this file will simply tell the Apple Watch app on iOS 9 that you can download the WatchOS

00:08:31 ◼   ► 2 beta on your device.

00:08:33 ◼   ► So you go to the Apple Watch app settings, you do the software update, you find the WatchOS

00:08:38 ◼   ► 2 Developer Seed, you download it, you wait for it to install on your Apple Watch, which

00:08:43 ◼   ► takes about an hour, then the Apple Watch reboots and you're on WatchOS 2 beta.

00:08:48 ◼   ► And you gotta do this, the certificate thing, every time there's a new WatchOS beta seed.

00:08:54 ◼   ► you cannot downgrade to a previous version of watchOS.

00:08:57 ◼   ► So if you do something wrong or if your Apple watch breaks,

00:09:01 ◼   ► you need to literally mail the phone to Apple,

00:09:04 ◼   ► which will send you back a version running watchOS one.

00:09:08 ◼   ► Hopefully the final process will be a little smoother.

00:09:13 ◼   ► - The reason I laugh like that, right,

00:09:15 ◼   ► is because up until the point where you said

00:09:19 ◼   ► about emailing a certificate to yourself,

00:09:22 ◼   ► emailing a link to yourself,

00:09:23 ◼   ► that's very similar to how you used to have to install the iOS betas.

00:09:28 ◼   ► Right?

00:09:29 ◼   ► Well, it's still that way if you have the developer builds, you still have to give them

00:09:32 ◼   ► your UUID, because I've got it on my iPad, not the public beta, but the developer builds.

00:09:39 ◼   ► So that process is the same, at least on that side of things.

00:09:46 ◼   ► Little bit.

00:09:47 ◼   ► I don't know, because I didn't do that with my iPad Air, too.

00:09:50 ◼   ► I just went into iTunes.

00:09:51 ◼   ► You run the public betas?

00:09:52 ◼   ► Nope.

00:09:53 ◼   ► the oh wait mmm no Myke is a developer. I'm on the developer beta. At some point you at

00:10:01 ◼   ► some point it you tied your ID to your at least to your Apple ID maybe that's

00:10:06 ◼   ► more automatic now I put mine in manually and it worked but um hopefully

00:10:10 ◼   ► that'll be better I mean I think when iOS 9 ships I just I wonder how they

00:10:16 ◼   ► will place watch OS 2 if it'll be you saw iOS 9 then you get notification

00:10:20 ◼   ► saying hey there's a watch update as well or surely it won't be automatically

00:10:23 ◼   ► done but I kind of wonder what that process will be like for people but yeah

00:10:28 ◼   ► yeah I feel like they'll just get a badge on the Apple watch app like you

00:10:34 ◼   ► get a badge on the settings app when there's a new software update. I'm really

00:10:39 ◼   ► liking watchOS 2 personally so I'm kind of excited to get betas from

00:10:44 ◼   ► developers because I still haven't tried any third-party complication I only

00:10:48 ◼   ► have like two betas of watchOS 2 apps, they're really faster actually so Apple

00:10:54 ◼   ► retail if it's true they're right it is faster but I still want to try the

00:10:59 ◼   ► complications stuff the time travel feature but yeah I'm excited.

00:11:03 ◼   ► Cool we spoke last week about my pair of Next stations so there's a follow-up

00:11:13 ◼   ► photo in the show notes of it sitting underneath my 27 inch display and I got

00:11:18 ◼   ► a couple emails people asking where the next station was so I've also included a

00:11:22 ◼   ► link to Wikipedia it was the first hardware built by Next the company that

00:11:27 ◼   ► Apple or Steve Jobs founded that for leaving Apple and it's um it's actually

00:11:32 ◼   ► a pretty pretty cool machine it's it's black it's it's none more black the

00:11:38 ◼   ► inside I took the top off of it and everything is as neat and orderly as you

00:11:43 ◼   ► can imagine like as clean as Steve Jobs is one a computer on the inside this

00:11:48 ◼   ► thing is is everything is in straight lines and it's very clean it's actually

00:11:52 ◼   ► very impressive for being as old as it is so that's now here on my desk you can

00:11:56 ◼   ► see a picture that if you visit the show notes which could be found where

00:12:00 ◼   ► Federico they can be found at relay.fm that's the website / connected which is

00:12:10 ◼   ► the name of the show / and then you gotta you gotta use on you know numbers

00:12:15 ◼   ► 5 and 2 which would be 52 which is the number of the episode.

00:12:21 ◼   ► I recently discovered why numbers are shaped like numbers.

00:12:28 ◼   ► There was a photo on Twitter showing how, you know, these are called like Arabic numbers,

00:12:35 ◼   ► the ones that we use.

00:12:37 ◼   ► And basically it's like if you look at the shapes of the numbers, the number of angles

00:12:45 ◼   ► in its shape is the number.

00:12:48 ◼   ► So like the shape of the five as five angles, the shape of the seven as seven possible angles

00:12:56 ◼   ► was super fascinating to discover, you know?

00:12:59 ◼   ► But yes, 52.

00:13:01 ◼   ► That's the episode.

00:13:04 ◼   ► And finally, we want to draw attention to a relay blog post.

00:13:09 ◼   ► Myke, do you want to explain what we're going to be doing next week?

00:13:12 ◼   ► Yep, so next week on the 18th, which is next Tuesday, will be Relay FM's one year anniversary.

00:13:21 ◼   ► So to mark that, after this show broadcasts live next week, so around 1.15pm Eastern Time,

00:13:30 ◼   ► me and Steven are going to be doing a live Q&A session where we're going to talk about

00:13:36 ◼   ► Relay FM, what it's meant to us, and answer a bunch of questions that people are submitting.

00:13:41 ◼   ► This will be available via our B-Sides feed, I'll put a link in the show notes to both

00:13:46 ◼   ► of these things so you'll be able to get to them both so you can find out when to listen

00:13:52 ◼   ► live and then also to listen on demand.

00:13:56 ◼   ► We are asking for questions about Relay and related things via the use of the hashtag

00:14:03 ◼   ► #RelayQA and if you could do that, that would be awesome so we can have some questions from

00:14:09 ◼   ► you guys that we're gonna address as the owners of this lovely company on our

00:14:14 ◼   ► little stream that we're gonna do next week to kind of commemorate the fact

00:14:19 ◼   ► that we are one year old. I think the first time we did this was in the first

00:14:22 ◼   ► week and then this is the second time.

00:14:26 ◼   ► Cool.

00:14:28 ◼   ► Do you know how they say that like a dog ear

00:14:32 ◼   ► corresponds to like seven human ears?

00:14:35 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:14:35 ◼   ► What does a relay ear correspond to?

00:14:38 ◼   ► One human year.

00:14:40 ◼   ► That's too bad.

00:14:44 ◼   ► I'm sorry.

00:14:45 ◼   ► I kind of wanted to imagine Relay as a cute puppy.

00:14:48 ◼   ► Well, you can still do that.

00:14:50 ◼   ► No.

00:14:52 ◼   ► Your view on ears is very much pragmatic, Myke.

00:15:00 ◼   ► I'm sorry.

00:15:01 ◼   ► I can respect that.

00:15:03 ◼   ► Oh, good. I'm pleased.

00:15:05 ◼   ► Well also, like one year is the same as seven dog years, one real year is the same as seven

00:15:10 ◼   ► dog years, so it's kind of similar in that regard.

00:15:12 ◼   ► Hmm, okay.

00:15:14 ◼   ► Okay.

00:15:17 ◼   ► I'm gonna take a break here.

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00:17:54 ◼   ► Sweet. So up first today we have a rumor about Force Touch coming to the next

00:18:01 ◼   ► iPhone which of course we talked about and everyone has been talking about a

00:18:05 ◼   ► good bit since its debut on the watch and the MacBook Pro earlier this year.

00:18:09 ◼   ► But 9to5Mac has a new report out yesterday saying that it is coming to the next

00:18:14 ◼   ► phone and what's interesting about this is the report gives some some use cases

00:18:21 ◼   ► of things like context-aware information in maps or shortcuts into applications.

00:18:28 ◼   ► I think the example given is if I force touch on the phone icon I could jump

00:18:32 ◼   ► straight to visual voicemail which are my favorites. I want to see what you guys

00:18:36 ◼   ► thought about this, you know, adding another literally another

00:18:40 ◼   ► dimension, another layer of UI on top of iOS and kind of see what y'all

00:18:46 ◼   ► think this could mean? I have many thoughts about this. I mean, on the watch, at least based on my

00:18:56 ◼   ► personal experience, it is very nice to be able to first touch and perform shortcuts or get a

00:19:02 ◼   ► different view. I just worry whether such feature would be too hidden to most people on iOS. As much

00:19:11 ◼   ► as other features that are supposedly time-saving or shortcuts like extensions or like widgets,

00:19:18 ◼   ► whether they can be easily discovered by people.

00:19:23 ◼   ► This is my primary concern being it's a very nice integration, it's a very nice technology

00:19:29 ◼   ► and it makes you save time, only most people don't care about it enough to remember it.

00:19:37 ◼   ► It could also be that I'm comparing the kind of geeky feature like extensions or like widgets

00:19:46 ◼   ► to something that could be more appealing to consumers.

00:19:50 ◼   ► And looking at the report from 9to5Mac, the idea of like first touching an app icon on

00:19:58 ◼   ► the home screen to get to a specific view of the app kind of plays well together with

00:20:03 ◼   ► the idea of deep links and getting to specific views of an app that's a central theme of

00:20:09 ◼   ► iOS 9.

00:20:10 ◼   ► So it wouldn't be too surprising.

00:20:11 ◼   ► I wonder if that kind of feature would be customizable by the user.

00:20:15 ◼   ► So if you will let me say, "Okay, when I first touch the Maps icon, I want to get directions

00:20:19 ◼   ► to go home."

00:20:20 ◼   ► Or, "Maybe I want to get directions to this other place."

00:20:24 ◼   ► Or if I first touch the Calendar icon, I want to see what's coming up today.

00:20:29 ◼   ► Or maybe another user would say, "I want to open this family calendar."

00:20:33 ◼   ► So I wonder if it's going to be configurable from a user's perspective.

00:20:39 ◼   ► The other concern that I have is a physical one because the watch, you just turn your

00:20:45 ◼   ► wrist and it's a really small screen and you can just press the finger in the middle of

00:20:50 ◼   ► the display literally anywhere and you get the force touch menu.

00:20:55 ◼   ► But the iPhone, and especially the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6 Plus are two big screens.

00:21:00 ◼   ► So I wonder, you know this kind of first touch functionality, what happens when you need

00:21:06 ◼   ► to first touch on a part of the display that's really out of reach?

00:21:11 ◼   ► You really need to use two hands.

00:21:14 ◼   ► I mean most people need to use two hands but I'm just struggling to imagine like what happens

00:21:19 ◼   ► if I first touch on the 6 Plus and it falls out of my hand because I press too strongly

00:21:24 ◼   ► and because the 6 Plus is too big it just slips away.

00:21:27 ◼   ► I mean people are having issues with the slippery edges of the iPhone 6 and the 6 Plus as it

00:21:34 ◼   ► is. Imagine another dimension with a feature that, according to Mark Gurman, can make a

00:21:41 ◼   ► menu appear anywhere on screen. So it's not like the Apple Watch where you force touch

00:21:46 ◼   ► and the same menu in the same position comes up every time. Here it's more similar to a

00:21:53 ◼   ► a right click on a desktop computer, depending on when you force touch you get a different

00:21:58 ◼   ► output.

00:21:59 ◼   ► So it'll be interesting to see on a big phone the physics of the feature and how users can

00:22:06 ◼   ► interact with it.

00:22:09 ◼   ► I'm also concerned about is it going to be a developer feature, is it going to be just

00:22:14 ◼   ► for Apple apps initially.

00:22:16 ◼   ► If history is of any indication that'll be a developer API because when Apple introduced

00:22:22 ◼   ► First Touch on OS X, they had a developer seed with the first

00:22:26 ◼   ► First Touch APIs right away.

00:22:28 ◼   ► So it wouldn't be surprising to see developers being able to

00:22:31 ◼   ► program their apps with First Touch shortcuts.

00:22:35 ◼   ► It sounds great in theory.

00:22:38 ◼   ► I'm just curious and maybe a little bit concerned when it

00:22:44 ◼   ► comes to the flexibility from a software perspective and the

00:22:47 ◼   ► practicality when it comes to holding the iPhone and also

00:22:50 ◼   ► performing the force touch. When I was imagining the feature, I thought it'll be

00:22:55 ◼   ► nice when I'm holding the device with one hand if force touch only

00:23:00 ◼   ► happens across the bottom of the display. So I can use my thumb to force touch and

00:23:04 ◼   ► it feels more natural. But in thinking about it in that way, it

00:23:09 ◼   ► doesn't make sense to only have force touch on the lower end of the

00:23:14 ◼   ► screen. So it'll be a full screen thing. I'm just curious to see how it will work in practice.

00:23:18 ◼   ► practice. I have some concerns about the idea of Force Touch on iOS. One of the

00:23:27 ◼   ► main ones being that I think it will add a layer of complexity to UI which isn't

00:23:35 ◼   ► currently there and may cause problems for as many things as it will be useful.

00:23:40 ◼   ► So Force Touch and the idea of hiding a menu behind Force Touch was created for

00:23:47 ◼   ► the Apple Watch because there isn't enough screen reader state to have all

00:23:51 ◼   ► the buttons that you may need, right? So they created force touch as a way to

00:23:56 ◼   ► give you access to some buttons and functions. And it's already confusing

00:24:02 ◼   ► enough on the Apple Watch because it's not apparent where the buttons are, right?

00:24:09 ◼   ► So you just like will hold down and hope that maybe what you're looking for is

00:24:13 ◼   ► hidden away under the Force Touch menu. And I feel my fear feeling would be and

00:24:19 ◼   ► my concern is that there will now be things hidden under a menu that you

00:24:25 ◼   ► don't know right so like the on the iPhone there'll be like all this

00:24:29 ◼   ► dysfunction that you want is hidden behind a force touch that you need to do

00:24:32 ◼   ► on this certain area of the display. My other my other concern is that it will

00:24:40 ◼   ► be like an excuse to hide things away or to add in features that you may

00:24:48 ◼   ► otherwise not consider. So like you may find developers chuck in a bunch of

00:24:53 ◼   ► stuff into their apps because they can hide it behind false touch, you know like

00:24:57 ◼   ► a bunch of different features that they would otherwise not do because they

00:25:00 ◼   ► would need to add a piece of... they'd need to add a button, right? So to stop the

00:25:05 ◼   ► clutter of their application there they wouldn't add it but now they may just

00:25:09 ◼   ► just put it behind false touch and I'm concerned that it's gonna become like a

00:25:12 ◼   ► junk drawer of stuff that you can hide away that and I think both of those

00:25:17 ◼   ► things they're both like complexity coming from a different angle but that

00:25:21 ◼   ► is my concern that there's gonna be functionality you can't find and that

00:25:25 ◼   ► when you do use false touch there's gonna be a bunch of stuff in there that

00:25:29 ◼   ► otherwise would have been left out for the sake of not trying to make an app

00:25:33 ◼   ► too complex. You saw a lot of that on Android with the the menu button so the

00:25:38 ◼   ► It's been downplayed a lot over the years,

00:25:41 ◼   ► but like back earlier versus Android,

00:25:46 ◼   ► you had many phones that had a hardware mini button

00:25:48 ◼   ► and developers would have access to that

00:25:50 ◼   ► and they would put a lot of things behind that.

00:25:54 ◼   ► So say that you were in a Twitter client or an RSS app,

00:25:59 ◼   ► things like mark all as read or favorite or reply

00:26:02 ◼   ► or retweet would be not visible as bits of UI as buttons,

00:26:06 ◼   ► but be behind this menu button.

00:26:08 ◼   ► So you had to have knowledge that,

00:26:12 ◼   ► oh, I don't see this, it must be tucked

00:26:15 ◼   ► behind this single interaction.

00:26:17 ◼   ► And I think to y'all's, to both your points,

00:26:20 ◼   ► that is confusing.

00:26:21 ◼   ► Just a couple of days ago really,

00:26:24 ◼   ► talking to somebody who had a watch

00:26:26 ◼   ► and she was complaining that she had to

00:26:29 ◼   ► remove her notifications one at a time.

00:26:30 ◼   ► I was like, oh, well just force touch, you can clear all.

00:26:32 ◼   ► And she was like, she's like, what?

00:26:34 ◼   ► I was like, you know, she didn't even think to try it.

00:26:38 ◼   ► And on the watch, I think force touch is pretty obvious,

00:26:43 ◼   ► maybe more obvious than it will be

00:26:44 ◼   ► on something like the phone,

00:26:45 ◼   ► because, you know, with the watch,

00:26:49 ◼   ► you get that instant, like, feedback,

00:26:51 ◼   ► like you're pushing through the screen

00:26:53 ◼   ► and it taps you on the backside on your wrist.

00:26:55 ◼   ► And it's a very one-to-one type thing.

00:26:58 ◼   ► And what I told my friend was like, you should,

00:27:02 ◼   ► like, when in doubt, try to force touch,

00:27:04 ◼   ► because it's very much a hit or miss thing.

00:27:09 ◼   ► Sometimes apps use it more than others

00:27:12 ◼   ► and not even all of Apple's apps support it really

00:27:16 ◼   ► in the same way and I really worry that on the phone

00:27:20 ◼   ► that's gonna be a lot worse

00:27:21 ◼   ► and be potentially more confusing

00:27:24 ◼   ► and people are gonna be like,

00:27:26 ◼   ► "Well, this Twitter app is bogus, I can't retweet."

00:27:28 ◼   ► Well, that's because it's behind a Force Touch.

00:27:32 ◼   ► And so I think that's problematic,

00:27:36 ◼   ► and I think it was problematic on Android for a long time.

00:27:38 ◼   ► I think what is more,

00:27:39 ◼   ► I don't know if it's more problematic

00:27:42 ◼   ► or makes it potentially better,

00:27:43 ◼   ► is that if you are a developer

00:27:46 ◼   ► and you rely on something being behind a Force Touch

00:27:50 ◼   ► that is not visible otherwise,

00:27:53 ◼   ► well, that is only gonna be available to you

00:27:55 ◼   ► on the newest phones.

00:27:57 ◼   ► So we might have this period of time

00:27:59 ◼   ► where Force Touch really isn't used very heavily

00:28:03 ◼   ► or it's used for extremely secondary type things.

00:28:06 ◼   ► And then, you know, maybe in five years

00:28:09 ◼   ► when you could say, well, you know,

00:28:10 ◼   ► basically all the iPhones out there support this,

00:28:13 ◼   ► you know, maybe this isn't an immediate problem.

00:28:15 ◼   ► Maybe it's a problem down the road,

00:28:17 ◼   ► which I think is sort of an interesting way to look at it.

00:28:21 ◼   ► It being tied to hardware means that you can't rely

00:28:25 ◼   ► on all of your users having it, at least at this point.

00:28:28 ◼   ► I wonder if the problem of developers kind of using Force Touch as an excuse to hide

00:28:37 ◼   ► menus and options that would usually be accessed through buttons in the interface would be

00:28:43 ◼   ► fixable by having accessibility settings.

00:28:47 ◼   ► Because the entire Force Touch idea has, I think, huge accessibility implications.

00:28:55 ◼   ► And I wonder if for some users it will be preferable not to have Force Touch.

00:29:01 ◼   ► Users with motor impairments and other reasons why they cannot apply pressure on a screen.

00:29:08 ◼   ► I wonder if saying with an accessibility setting screen, saying never enable Force Touch shortcuts

00:29:16 ◼   ► for me, would basically offer developers an API to say, okay, you can either use Force

00:29:22 ◼   ► touch or you can use a regular button that you see in the UI, you can tap normally.

00:29:27 ◼   ► Also it seems like a lot of people are saying that force and even we are saying that force

00:29:36 ◼   ► touch is going to be another dimension of software on the iPhone and presumably the

00:29:42 ◼   ► iPad.

00:29:43 ◼   ► And I remember when Siri was announced for the iPhone 4S, all of us, we said, well, of

00:29:52 ◼   ► course, voice control is the next layer, the next dimension of iOS.

00:29:57 ◼   ► And Siri came out four years ago and it's a very nice addition to the iPhone and the

00:30:05 ◼   ► iPad and it's one of the primary ways that we interact with the Apple Watch.

00:30:10 ◼   ► But it still hasn't become a possible replacement for touch.

00:30:15 ◼   ► It's an option.

00:30:17 ◼   ► But I wouldn't say it's a complete new dimension.

00:30:20 ◼   ► Now I wonder, we're gonna say that when Force Touch comes to the iPhone and the iPad, we're

00:30:25 ◼   ► gonna say again, this is a new layer, this is a new dimension.

00:30:29 ◼   ► And I wonder if this will be more true for Force Touch than it has been for Siri.

00:30:35 ◼   ► Because the job that Siri needs to accomplish is very complex.

00:30:42 ◼   ► Natural language, third party app integration, network conditions, that's really a complex

00:30:50 ◼   ► problem.

00:30:51 ◼   ► Force touch, it's just physical input.

00:30:55 ◼   ► And I wonder if four to five years from now, we will see the introduction of force touch

00:31:01 ◼   ► as truly the next dimension of the devices that we use.

00:31:05 ◼   ► an iPhone that doesn't have a home button and just uses Force Touch for physical input

00:31:11 ◼   ► and pressure on the screen.

00:31:12 ◼   ► And I wonder if the implications long term for Force Touch will be more easily appreciated

00:31:19 ◼   ► than, you know, Siri and voice input.

00:31:23 ◼   ► I think there are a bunch of differences though, like backwards and forwards for this.

00:31:30 ◼   ► Force Touch and Siri are different because Siri is like a it's like another

00:31:37 ◼   ► part of the phone it didn't add to the existing apps or experiences that we use

00:31:43 ◼   ► in the same kind of way as it does on the watch right because on the watch it

00:31:49 ◼   ► replaces just flat-out replaces the main input method so it's kind of nothing you

00:31:54 ◼   ► can do other than use it but like Siri it was like an Apple feature instead as

00:32:00 ◼   ► an Apple feature like developers can't really do anything with it it's not

00:32:03 ◼   ► really an interaction method on the phone that is in the same kind of way as

00:32:08 ◼   ► false touch but false touch is like it's it's something that will most likely be

00:32:16 ◼   ► for developers it is addition to existing apps rather than like a

00:32:19 ◼   ► separate thing am I making sense mm-hmm yeah so I think it will be different in

00:32:25 ◼   ► that kind of regard and I think I don't know if like false touch is gonna be

00:32:31 ◼   ► groundbreaking really like I'm kind of a little bit like I guess they're kind of

00:32:36 ◼   ► just doing it because then it will be on all the product lines it's like a

00:32:40 ◼   ► marketing thing like like how they create retina displays for everything

00:32:44 ◼   ► even though it's all very different device to device I think it would be

00:32:48 ◼   ► pretty important on the on the iPad but for a different reason though that's

00:32:53 ◼   ► - For different reasons, yeah, yeah, for sure.

00:32:55 ◼   ► And like I'm thinking about iOS 9 and on the iPad,

00:32:58 ◼   ► you know, there's a rumor of an Apple Pen

00:33:01 ◼   ► coming to the iPad, so a stylus that uses pressure.

00:33:04 ◼   ► So that's one thing for sure.

00:33:06 ◼   ► I mean, pressure, sensitivity with a stylus,

00:33:08 ◼   ► that's very important and Force Touch could enable that.

00:33:11 ◼   ► But also when you consider some iOS 9 features

00:33:14 ◼   ► coming to the iPad, like there's a split view multitasking

00:33:17 ◼   ► and you cannot do drag and drop

00:33:19 ◼   ► between two apps in split view.

00:33:21 ◼   ► And I wonder if Force Touch could be really a new dimension in that regard, that it lets

00:33:26 ◼   ► you operate, you know, different, you know, literally grab data with your hand and push

00:33:33 ◼   ► it to another part of the screen, giving you feedback in the process.

00:33:36 ◼   ► So on the iPad, I guess it could have, this is just a theory, it could have some pretty

00:33:42 ◼   ► big implications.

00:33:44 ◼   ► Short term on the iPhone, I don't know, I don't know, because it seems like a nice shortcut,

00:33:50 ◼   ► But will it be groundbreaking from the get-go on the iPhone?

00:33:54 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:33:56 ◼   ► Also going back to mentioning about the iPad again, I think this is where the marketing

00:34:02 ◼   ► stuff kind of gets a bit confusing.

00:34:05 ◼   ► Because they'll be kind of calling a bunch of different types of technologies "forced

00:34:11 ◼   ► touch".

00:34:12 ◼   ► And that's where things get a bit weird, right?

00:34:13 ◼   ► So force touch on the laptops is different to force touch on the watch.

00:34:21 ◼   ► They're actually kind of different technology, they do different things.

00:34:26 ◼   ► Because on the laptops it judges pressure and then gives you the tap back as opposed

00:34:33 ◼   ► to whatever it's doing.

00:34:34 ◼   ► On the watch where it's kind of doing some different stuff but it's just like that one

00:34:38 ◼   ► dimensional you press this you get a button and then whatever it will be on the phones

00:34:42 ◼   ► is one thing but then force touch on a new big iPad that has a pen will be what they're

00:34:48 ◼   ► calling it but it's going to be underlined in different technology because let's say

00:34:52 ◼   ► for example they call force touch on the 12 inch iPad they call it force touch and force

00:34:59 ◼   ► touch allows you to use a pen. You won't be able to take that pen and use it on other

00:35:03 ◼   ► devices like it won't be force touch as a thing that will allow you to do that because

00:35:09 ◼   ► from my understanding of this sort of stuff is it will require a different digitizer to

00:35:15 ◼   ► allow for the sensitivity of the pen but also for there to be the ability for the pen to

00:35:21 ◼   ► be red.

00:35:22 ◼   ► Like for there to be more pixels for it to be red on or however that works.

00:35:25 ◼   ► I'm talking very general because I don't fully understand it.

00:35:28 ◼   ► But if they call that force touch it's not going to be the same kind of force touch if

00:35:32 ◼   ► what they're doing is changing the digitizer so there's more like pixel pressure and there's

00:35:38 ◼   ► more pixels to be able to be read by the digitizer if that's enhanced.

00:35:44 ◼   ► I'm running circles around myself a little bit just as a way to try and explain that

00:35:48 ◼   ► I think that they will be different because the pen won't work everywhere.

00:35:52 ◼   ► The pen will work on that iPad that they've increased the sensitivity in but it won't

00:35:57 ◼   ► be the same force touch as they may be on the iPad Air if that doesn't have a pen or

00:36:01 ◼   ► that will be on the iPhone or that will be on the MacBook or that will be on the watch.

00:36:06 ◼   ► be branding it up differently like how the retina display they call many different devices

00:36:11 ◼   ► retina exactly even though it's all completely different pixel I was exactly about to say

00:36:18 ◼   ► that so like it's it's like it but this but the thing with the retina display is you just

00:36:23 ◼   ► know retina display means good display yeah but but force touch will be the same thing

00:36:31 ◼   ► but it will actually be doing different things in different places yeah it'll mean pressure

00:36:35 ◼   ► it'll mean feedback, you know, that kind of stuff,

00:36:39 ◼   ► I guess they're going for, I don't know.

00:36:41 ◼   ► - It's messy, but like you guys say with the

00:36:43 ◼   ► random display and there's other examples as well,

00:36:45 ◼   ► where Apple reuses names and the idea of it being,

00:36:49 ◼   ► hey you, the general idea of you apply pressure

00:36:54 ◼   ► to the interface, whether the interface be a trackpad

00:36:56 ◼   ► or a piece of glass or a watch, and you get more UI.

00:37:01 ◼   ► I mean, I think in broad terms, I think it works.

00:37:04 ◼   ► It is it is interesting. You know that the pen stuff. I'm not

00:37:08 ◼   ► I'm not sold on them if they do if they do a truly

00:37:12 ◼   ► pressure sensitive with like, you know lots of pressure layers

00:37:17 ◼   ► I don't know if they would call that force touch or not

00:37:20 ◼   ► But it you know, I do think that the iPad Pro stuff which is it sort of tacked on into the end of this article

00:37:26 ◼   ► I actually missed it cuz I just skimmed this the first time I read it and people were like

00:37:29 ◼   ► Oh, they mentions the big iPad in the pen

00:37:32 ◼   ► see two big iPads

00:37:34 ◼   ► Kind of like it was folded in there, so it seems like we are on track to see

00:37:39 ◼   ► You know maybe force touch and pin input whatever that would look like this fall from

00:37:45 ◼   ► from the iPad line so it

00:37:49 ◼   ► Overall it's I think was most interesting to me

00:37:52 ◼   ► Beyond the details of this is that iOS is becoming

00:37:56 ◼   ► More complex it is becoming more

00:38:00 ◼   ► potentially much more powerful in certain ways, especially with the pen stuff that's going to open up a

00:38:06 ◼   ► whole new world of possibilities for a certain type of user.

00:38:10 ◼   ► So that's all really exciting because iOS is

00:38:13 ◼   ► I mean more or less the same sort of user interface the same sort of user interaction that's always been.

00:38:20 ◼   ► And they've added stuff to the you know to the button right so you have like reachability and you have Siri and

00:38:25 ◼   ► That sort of stuff but they're kind of out of out of things to do with that home button. And so they know moving

00:38:33 ◼   ► Force touch to the phone and the iPad seems like a logical extension of of what they've already done

00:38:38 ◼   ► They just want to make one last point which and I've given this time, you know, we're months in now

00:38:47 ◼   ► But I just don't like jamming my finger into a display. I find force touch uncomfortable on the watch

00:38:54 ◼   ► I don't think it feels very nice to use and I don't like the idea of using it everywhere

00:38:59 ◼   ► Just because of the way it feels it may bring you to utility

00:39:02 ◼   ► I don't know if I'm alone in this but I think it's a very uncomfortable

00:39:06 ◼   ► Gesture like to just jam my finger into a display that doesn't move like it doesn't feel like anything's moving to me

00:39:14 ◼   ► It would be better if the interface moved really like if you'll be more organic

00:39:21 ◼   ► You know what I'm saying? Like you press and you see like little ripples around the UI, that kind of stuff.

00:39:27 ◼   ► It feels very static at the moment. Like you just jam your finger, there's menu.

00:39:32 ◼   ► I don't mean like feels as in like from a UI perspective.

00:39:35 ◼   ► I just physically don't like the way it feels on my finger.

00:39:39 ◼   ► Oh, okay.

00:39:40 ◼   ► No, no, I think I'm good from that point of view.

00:39:44 ◼   ► Yeah, I just don't like it. It's just kind of uncomfortable.

00:39:47 ◼   ► Like you just... because as well like there isn't... because it's not a button there and and it's like

00:39:52 ◼   ► sensitivity and pressure there isn't like an "you must press this much"

00:39:57 ◼   ► Right? Like sometimes I feel like I'm doing what I need to do, but it's not working

00:40:02 ◼   ► But it's because I haven't pushed the amount that you need to push, but I think I have but I haven't

00:40:09 ◼   ► So it's really like a random pressure lottery. Which is how it feels. I mean, obviously that's not the case

00:40:15 ◼   ► Like it's I'm sure it's hard coded in a lot of math to make that happen

00:40:18 ◼   ► But to my brain it's like you must push that you know, you know how much you need to push

00:40:24 ◼   ► which is why like I can't get and I've never been able to get the

00:40:28 ◼   ► On the the force touch track pads whenever I've tried one out

00:40:32 ◼   ► I've never been able to get that to work for me properly like this multi level of pressure that people talk about

00:40:38 ◼   ► Being able to do I've never been able to get it to work

00:40:41 ◼   ► Like I can't seem to control it like the idea of like you can slow it down and speed it up

00:40:46 ◼   ► I've never been able to do that a way to test it is you gotta be really careful

00:40:50 ◼   ► But you can force touch on the on the watch face and if if you change your pressure

00:40:57 ◼   ► Constantly, it's very subtle

00:40:59 ◼   ► But if you try to you can see the watch face kind of receding in the background and then coming forwards as you

00:41:05 ◼   ► Change the pressure level. Yeah, I just tried that you can control that

00:41:10 ◼   ► But like I'm struggling to do that multiple times in a row.

00:41:13 ◼   ► Yeah, it is difficult.

00:41:14 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:41:15 ◼   ► But yeah, I can see that.

00:41:17 ◼   ► You can kind of make it go in and kind of wait.

00:41:20 ◼   ► Exactly.

00:41:21 ◼   ► Like you got to press just slightly harder than you would normally press the screen.

00:41:26 ◼   ► And then if you really jam your finger, you get the haptic feedback and the module or

00:41:31 ◼   ► whatever watch face you see, the setting screen for the watch face.

00:41:34 ◼   ► In a few years time, nobody's going to be able to feel things as we've all crushed the

00:41:38 ◼   ► nerve endings in our fingertips. We're gonna rewrite the DNA of our pieces for

00:41:44 ◼   ► first touch. Oh man it'll be it'll be interesting and I you know I think that

00:41:54 ◼   ► what is most likely to happen in my mind is that Apple will do it in their apps

00:41:58 ◼   ► and maybe some like iOS 9 only apps may do it but again until this is more

00:42:04 ◼   ► widely available in the iPhone user base that it's going to be limited at first

00:42:09 ◼   ► just based on you know the number of things that are out there and and what

00:42:14 ◼   ► makes sense you know I think I think the other thing to remember here is you know

00:42:17 ◼   ► Apple's has done a lot of new things in iOS and OS X over the years that you

00:42:24 ◼   ► know developers try and then you know some it works for some apps or for some

00:42:28 ◼   ► developers but doesn't work for others so you know things aren't as as widely

00:42:31 ◼   ► spread as they may seem I think extensions are a good example of this

00:42:35 ◼   ► where extensions make a lot of sense for certain types of apps and I think that a

00:42:40 ◼   ► lot of other apps that they don't make sense to you just don't see them you know

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00:46:07 ◼   ► So let's talk, we're gonna ask Federico some questions about his iOS 9 review in

00:46:14 ◼   ► a moment but I wanted to just talk a little bit about the difference of the

00:46:21 ◼   ► beta on the iPad and the iPhone so far as I've just installed it on my iPhone

00:46:25 ◼   ► and then we can talk a little bit about Federico's current experiences with

00:46:29 ◼   ► writing his iOS 9 review. Is that fair guys? Yes. So one of the first

00:46:37 ◼   ► things I want to mention is I've had the the beta on my phone for about a week

00:46:41 ◼   ► and I'm not gonna say it my phone is starting to run really hot and that is

00:46:48 ◼   ► I'm worried about it I'm really scared. You didn't do the clean install? No, did not.

00:46:53 ◼   ► Okay. Did not do a clean install and I can't fully pin down what scenarios this

00:47:00 ◼   ► is happening in but sometimes my phone just runs really hot like too hot to

00:47:06 ◼   ► touch kind of hot. Which is... It's fine. It's interesting. I think it might be

00:47:14 ◼   ► audio related because I think my battery life has been fine but I also think that

00:47:21 ◼   ► when I am listening to podcasts and stuff like that or listening to music

00:47:28 ◼   ► the battery runs down quickly and it would make sense if those two things are

00:47:31 ◼   ► related that it's running hot and the battery's draining right so maybe it's

00:47:37 ◼   ► an audio thing right now in in this in beta 9 beta 9

00:47:42 ◼   ► Are you streaming music or audio to a Bluetooth speaker or headphones?

00:47:49 ◼   ► Nope.

00:47:49 ◼   ► So through the speaker of the iPhone?

00:47:52 ◼   ► Yes.

00:47:52 ◼   ► Okay.

00:47:54 ◼   ► I mean my 6+ will get warm doing audio just and I'm running iOS 8.4 but

00:48:01 ◼   ► definitely not too hot to touch not so hot that it could I could cook breakfast

00:48:05 ◼   ► on the back of it I'm not cooking on it but it's like I can feel the heat with

00:48:09 ◼   ► my case on and then I take the case off and it hurts

00:48:14 ◼   ► don't listen to music as you fall asleep burn down that's a good idea how I do

00:48:23 ◼   ► so I get what you're asking though about I'm not running it on my phone yet as I

00:48:29 ◼   ► said but in looking at iOS 9 and spending a lot of time with it on my iPad Air 2

00:48:34 ◼   ► which I really really like what they're doing there, iOS 9 feels very

00:48:40 ◼   ► much like an iPad release and so does it feel all that new and all that like

00:48:46 ◼   ► fancy on the iPhone? So for me I mean I think that Federico is more likely to

00:48:52 ◼   ► feel different because for his review he's I assume pushing iOS 9 to its

00:48:58 ◼   ► limits on both devices where I'm just kind of using it like I would have used my phone before.

00:49:04 ◼   ► Right. And for me, uh, the beta, basically iOS 9 feels smaller on the iPhone than it does on

00:49:14 ◼   ► the iPad. Like many of the enhancements feel like small jumps like maps, ads, transit, which is great,

00:49:21 ◼   ► but it's massive. Like it's not like they've redefined the game, they've added transit.

00:49:27 ◼   ► I've actually found whilst there are some good things about Google's transit stuff and

00:49:34 ◼   ► Apple's transit stuff, they miss things from each other.

00:49:37 ◼   ► So like Google Maps doesn't have the great exit and entrance marking that the Apple Maps

00:49:45 ◼   ► transit stuff does.

00:49:46 ◼   ► So like marking where entrances to train stations are is really, really useful because sometimes

00:49:52 ◼   ► it will just, well on Google Maps, it just plunks the pin down in the middle of the station

00:49:57 ◼   ► where when they're underground that is completely unhelpful

00:50:00 ◼   ► because it doesn't show me where I need to go in

00:50:02 ◼   ► and it actually can make a difference,

00:50:03 ◼   ► if anything just for annoyance.

00:50:06 ◼   ► But what I've found is that Google Maps

00:50:08 ◼   ► has a greater understanding and support

00:50:12 ◼   ► for the accurate up-to-date train information

00:50:16 ◼   ► where Apple Maps, basically there was a disturbance

00:50:20 ◼   ► on a train line that I was using this weekend

00:50:24 ◼   ► where it was facing severe delays

00:50:27 ◼   ► and actually wasn't running at a certain point

00:50:29 ◼   ► and Google Maps saw that and Apple Maps didn't see that

00:50:33 ◼   ► and it reported on it later in the day when I checked again

00:50:36 ◼   ► but that information I need to know immediately.

00:50:39 ◼   ► Like if I'm looking and it's happening now,

00:50:43 ◼   ► I need to know that that's the case

00:50:44 ◼   ► because that is a difference in the route

00:50:46 ◼   ► that I'm gonna take.

00:50:47 ◼   ► And if I would have got to the train station

00:50:49 ◼   ► and having looked at Apple Maps

00:50:51 ◼   ► and not knowing that was gonna happen,

00:50:52 ◼   ► that is annoying to me where Google Maps shows that stuff immediately which is

00:50:56 ◼   ► you know extremely useful. I also find that the Apple Maps still has some other

00:51:02 ◼   ► ways to go in a bit more like up to the minute when is the next train leaving

00:51:07 ◼   ► type of stuff which is really useful for Google Maps so I'm still trying them

00:51:10 ◼   ► both out I'm like using them in in parallel to see what it's like there.

00:51:15 ◼   ► The revised search page is fine I am finding myself using the recently used

00:51:22 ◼   ► app stuff sometimes when I pull down to do a spotlight search a lot of the times

00:51:26 ◼   ► the app that I want is in there which you know again that's one of the other

00:51:30 ◼   ► big features I haven't seen use out of any of the assistant stuff after a week

00:51:36 ◼   ► maybe it still needs more time but none of that has I'm not seeing any like

00:51:43 ◼   ► travel reminder like travel alerts that are useful you're not gonna get travel reminders

00:51:48 ◼   ► reminders there. I'm sorry, Myke.

00:51:51 ◼   ► >> I thought that it comes up in Siri to tell you that,

00:51:53 ◼   ► oh, your next thing, or where am I supposed to see that then?

00:51:56 ◼   ► Where am I going to get those alerts?

00:51:58 ◼   ► >> You do get the calendar alerts

00:52:01 ◼   ► for the time to leave notifications.

00:52:05 ◼   ► >> Yeah, I haven't had any time to leave notifications yet.

00:52:07 ◼   ► >> You got, basically the problem there is that

00:52:11 ◼   ► if you create an event with a location, with an address,

00:52:14 ◼   ► you gotta manually set the alert

00:52:17 ◼   ► as a time to leave alert in the calendar.

00:52:19 ◼   ► - I never do that.

00:52:21 ◼   ► Yeah, that's not very helpful, assistant.

00:52:23 ◼   ► - Yeah, and even if you do,

00:52:25 ◼   ► I've been trying all my location-based events

00:52:28 ◼   ► with the time to leave notifications.

00:52:30 ◼   ► They are super early for me.

00:52:33 ◼   ► Like I can be there in 10 minutes,

00:52:35 ◼   ► I get a notification like 40 minutes before,

00:52:38 ◼   ► which is not really useful.

00:52:39 ◼   ► According to Apple, it's looking at traffic information,

00:52:41 ◼   ► it's looking at your location.

00:52:43 ◼   ► So either it gets my location wrong or it gets traffic in Rome completely wrong, but

00:52:49 ◼   ► they have been firing off super early for me, which is not exactly helpful.

00:52:54 ◼   ► But otherwise, if you get like, I use Gmail and I've been using Google now as a comparison.

00:53:03 ◼   ► When I have like hotel receipts in my email, Google is able to parse on its own what I'm

00:53:10 ◼   ► going to do.

00:53:11 ◼   ► it knows I'm going to be in the Amalfi Coast and it's showing me the weather, it's showing

00:53:15 ◼   ► me the hotel reservation, it's showing me the hotel location and other information about

00:53:20 ◼   ► the opening hours, it knows just by looking at an email.

00:53:25 ◼   ► Whereas the search page of iOS 9 configured with the same email account in the Apple Mail

00:53:32 ◼   ► app, it knows nothing.

00:53:33 ◼   ► So either it doesn't want to know or it's not capable of knowing, I don't know.

00:53:38 ◼   ► But again, I open Google now, I see that kind of stuff.

00:53:42 ◼   ► Just based on my email, I open the iOS 9 intelligence page, I see nothing about that.

00:53:49 ◼   ► Potentially, that's a problem.

00:53:51 ◼   ► But maybe, I don't know, maybe people don't care.

00:53:54 ◼   ► I care.

00:53:55 ◼   ► It is nice in Google.

00:53:57 ◼   ► It's very nice in Google, but it doesn't seem as clever as Google.

00:54:01 ◼   ► So some of the other stuff, like San Francisco is the biggest change for me.

00:54:07 ◼   ► The font makes everything look new and I love it and I want all my apps to have it.

00:54:14 ◼   ► I am embracing the keyboard.

00:54:17 ◼   ► I am not making any of the changes.

00:54:20 ◼   ► I don't have the popover on anymore.

00:54:23 ◼   ► Like I'm embracing all of that and I like it.

00:54:27 ◼   ► So real quickly if people haven't used it, what is new about the keyboard in iOS 9?

00:54:31 ◼   ► So one of the big things is that it doesn't, when you tap a character it doesn't pop up

00:54:37 ◼   ► with the preview of the character anymore

00:54:41 ◼   ► in that magnification way to show you what you've hit.

00:54:45 ◼   ► I just trust that the iPhone knows what I'm hitting

00:54:48 ◼   ► and it does.

00:54:49 ◼   ► There's also shift key stuff which confuses me,

00:54:53 ◼   ► like the changes, 'cause there have been some more changes

00:54:55 ◼   ► that I still don't fully understand,

00:54:56 ◼   ► but my favorite thing is it's the key caps.

00:54:59 ◼   ► So I now know when shift is enabled

00:55:03 ◼   ► because it's lowercase or uppercase characters.

00:55:06 ◼   ► And I like that, I think the lowercase character keyboard looks nice.

00:55:09 ◼   ► And many people hate it with a passion.

00:55:12 ◼   ► But I like it, I like it a lot.

00:55:15 ◼   ► I don't know, it feels like one of those designer dogmas.

00:55:19 ◼   ► Whereas people hate on this feature on principle, because the iOS keyboard and the Mac keyboard

00:55:25 ◼   ► has always been uppercase, therefore it should remain uppercase for eternity.

00:55:30 ◼   ► I don't agree, it's very practical. You hit the shift key and it's lowercase or maybe it's uppercase.

00:55:37 ◼   ► You just see what's going on, you know? And it feels more natural. I mean it's a software keyboard.

00:55:43 ◼   ► One of the advantages is to be able to change the keyboard via software.

00:55:47 ◼   ► But a lot of people are super upset about this.

00:55:51 ◼   ► Yep.

00:55:52 ◼   ► I think the biggest thing for me here though is that there are enhancements

00:55:59 ◼   ► but there's nothing groundbreaking like there was for iOS 8 like extensions

00:56:03 ◼   ► like it doesn't feel to me here like there's anything big i'm hearing Federico saying the

00:56:11 ◼   ► big stuff is it's the ipad that's where the groundbreaking stuff is um the split views

00:56:18 ◼   ► the picture in picture like this is where the really big leaps are and i'm kind of okay with

00:56:23 ◼   ► with the fact that it's an iPad release.

00:56:27 ◼   ► Like I'm fine with it, but it's just not the pace

00:56:30 ◼   ► that we've seen year over year.

00:56:33 ◼   ► And this may be an enhancement year

00:56:34 ◼   ► and this may be the first time that we get a TikTok

00:56:37 ◼   ► and this is how it's gonna be now, also fine with,

00:56:40 ◼   ► but just basing it upon the history that we've had,

00:56:43 ◼   ► it's different.

00:56:45 ◼   ► And if in five years time,

00:56:47 ◼   ► we look back at this as being the first year

00:56:49 ◼   ► where they did, you know, just enhancements

00:56:52 ◼   ► and then big changes, I'm fine with it, but I'm just saying comparing it to the last seven

00:56:58 ◼   ► releases it's very different.

00:57:02 ◼   ► In a lot of ways, and especially on the iPhone, I agree with you by the way, it feels like

00:57:10 ◼   ► this year we get the calm before the storm that I assume iOS 10 is going to be.

00:57:16 ◼   ► Because the features that we're getting on the iPhone, like the improved Notes app, the

00:57:21 ◼   ► new font, the low power mode, the improved statistics for battery consumption, the general

00:57:31 ◼   ► polish across apps and new settings, it feels like they're sort of wrapping up work that

00:57:38 ◼   ► began last year with iOS 8 before whatever's coming up next with iOS 10, which I assume

00:57:44 ◼   ► is going to be a pretty big change.

00:57:47 ◼   ► And while on the iPad you could see the more groundbreaking stuff with the multitasking,

00:57:55 ◼   ► on the iPhone it's a bunch of nice features that are not exactly revolutionary.

00:57:59 ◼   ► They're potentially going to be massive changes if the intelligent stuff pans out like Apple

00:58:05 ◼   ► wants to, or all these other features for improved performance with apps being capable

00:58:14 ◼   ► of consuming energy in a different way, and the developer features of being able to release

00:58:20 ◼   ► apps on the App Store just to specific devices with bitcode and other kind of stuff.

00:58:26 ◼   ► On the iPhone it feels like a collection of nice changes and much necessary fixes and

00:58:33 ◼   ► improvements and on the iPad it's more okay we really need to rethink this device and

00:58:39 ◼   ► I agree with that but I wonder like people like us we were in love with you know like

00:58:48 ◼   ► San Francisco and this typographic changes I wonder if most people will ever actually

00:58:54 ◼   ► notice the different font.

00:58:57 ◼   ► There's so many details in San Francisco and I try to cover them in what I'm writing, but

00:59:03 ◼   ► I fear, maybe not fear, I just worry that maybe those changes won't be as appreciated

00:59:11 ◼   ► by most people as we appreciate them.

00:59:15 ◼   ► Which is fine, because typography is a very niche market I guess.

00:59:20 ◼   ► What matters I think for San Francisco is that it contributes to the bottom line of

00:59:24 ◼   ► readability and better layouts for developers and apps and more readable text.

00:59:31 ◼   ► If it accomplishes that goal that even if people don't notice, even if they subconsciously

00:59:36 ◼   ► notice the improvements, I guess that's okay.

00:59:42 ◼   ► So we should probably, Steve, unless you have anything else, we should probably start, we

00:59:46 ◼   ► should probably move into talking about the review in a little bit more depth.

00:59:51 ◼   ► Works for me.

00:59:53 ◼   ► Okay, let me just take a break first and then we've got a clear runway to talk about Federica's

00:59:58 ◼   ► current status on his iOS and I Review.

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01:03:52 ◼   ► So Federico, how is the review going? How far into it are you at this point?

01:03:56 ◼   ► I think I'm approaching 50% of the sections that I want to cover. I'm leaving on Thursday morning

01:04:08 ◼   ► and I set a goal for myself to leave with the iPad section, which is probably the biggest

01:04:15 ◼   ► of the review being done by Wednesday night.

01:04:19 ◼   ► I'm not sure if I'll manage to finish by tomorrow night

01:04:24 ◼   ► because there are still quite a few things that I want to cover

01:04:27 ◼   ► and I split the final part of the iPad section

01:04:30 ◼   ► in three mini sections which I think will

01:04:33 ◼   ► wrap up the discussion on iPad nicely but I'm not sure

01:04:37 ◼   ► because I'm finishing the actual

01:04:41 ◼   ► features like talking about the actual changes on the iPad today with the keyboard talk for software and hardware.

01:04:51 ◼   ► And then it's these final sections split up in three sub-sections. I'm not sure if I'll manage to finish tonight and tomorrow.

01:05:01 ◼   ► I tried to cover beforehand the big stuff.

01:05:09 ◼   ► So I've already done design, I've already done notes and I'm gonna be done soon with iPad.

01:05:16 ◼   ► And the reason I did this is I wanna come back from vacation.

01:05:21 ◼   ► I'm pretty sure I won't write anything on vacation.

01:05:24 ◼   ► Because I need a time off.

01:05:28 ◼   ► But maybe, maybe if I can be inspired enough,

01:05:33 ◼   ► couple of hours each night before bed,

01:05:35 ◼   ► maybe I can get to write a few sentences here and there.

01:05:40 ◼   ► But otherwise I wanna come back from vacation

01:05:42 ◼   ► and have like a solid 10 days to wrap up all the rest.

01:05:47 ◼   ► And I left the smaller changes, the smaller features for,

01:05:52 ◼   ► and of course the conclusion for the end of August

01:05:56 ◼   ► and the first week of September.

01:05:58 ◼   ► I want to be done with the text and the images and everything by September 9, which is when

01:06:04 ◼   ► Apple is rumored to have an event.

01:06:06 ◼   ► I don't think iOS 9 will be released on the day of the event, but you never know, so I

01:06:10 ◼   ► want to be ready.

01:06:12 ◼   ► And I saved the other things like Safari changes and like reminders, podcasts, iCloud Drive,

01:06:23 ◼   ► these other minor features or additions or changes to the OS for after the vacation.

01:06:31 ◼   ► So I want to leave and have the most important things done.

01:06:37 ◼   ► And I struggled to get started on the iPad section because I really wanted to find an

01:06:45 ◼   ► angle that I could work on to develop the entire story of the iPad.

01:06:54 ◼   ► And once I was done with that last week, I kind of just followed everything from there.

01:07:00 ◼   ► I'm still using my mind map to organize all the outline of the review and every time I

01:07:07 ◼   ► go through a topic and it's done, I close the branch of the mind map so I know that

01:07:13 ◼   ► I'm done with it. I'm still making a note of every problem that I mentioned that it's

01:07:20 ◼   ► still not fixed in beta 5. I created a checklist of problems and issues that I need to double

01:07:27 ◼   ► check before publishing the review in September. I don't know if that will be a beta 6 or if

01:07:32 ◼   ► it goes straight up to GM, but I have a list of problems that I need to basically check

01:07:37 ◼   ► again if there are still problems or not.

01:07:42 ◼   ► As I write, I always forget things, like little details of stuff that I need to mention in

01:07:51 ◼   ► the review.

01:07:52 ◼   ► For example, I forgot to have a paragraph about FaceTime support in Picture-in-Picture

01:07:59 ◼   ► on the iPad, because I only covered video.

01:08:03 ◼   ► And today I was getting started to write about the hardware keyboard on the iPad and I was

01:08:12 ◼   ► like "oh yeah, I forgot about FaceTime in the picture-in-picture because it's also an

01:08:17 ◼   ► option."

01:08:18 ◼   ► So I went to the editorial, I went to the picture-in-picture section and I just wrote

01:08:24 ◼   ► a sentence about FaceTime.

01:08:26 ◼   ► I didn't write the actual paragraph.

01:08:28 ◼   ► So I know when I will be done with the review, what I'm going to do is I'm going to write

01:08:35 ◼   ► all these small paragraphs and sections that I missed before the first proofreading session.

01:08:47 ◼   ► The reason why I don't want to go back to each section now is I want to be done with

01:08:53 ◼   ► the main text first.

01:08:56 ◼   ► I can do the smaller things that I forgot and then I can start reading and adding links

01:09:01 ◼   ► and footnotes.

01:09:04 ◼   ► The problem, this is the current state.

01:09:08 ◼   ► I'm almost done with the iPad section and I'm trying to save the conclusion of course

01:09:15 ◼   ► as the final thing that I write.

01:09:18 ◼   ► Although I still have an idea of the style that I want to use for the conclusion.

01:09:25 ◼   ► And then I'm trying to save all these other app updates and changes and of course the

01:09:29 ◼   ► performance section for the final beta or if you don't get a beta for really the last

01:09:37 ◼   ► available moment so I can evaluate performance and over time better.

01:09:43 ◼   ► The problem is I don't want to spoil the word count but it's starting to, Myke knows how

01:09:54 ◼   ► much it is right now. But it's starting to be quite a lot. And I'm already approaching

01:10:06 ◼   ► the point where it is longer than the longest article that I ever published on Mac Stories.

01:10:15 ◼   ► And I'm wondering if for the first time in six years of Mac Stories I should split up

01:10:23 ◼   ► the review in multiple pages.

01:10:26 ◼   ► The reason that I'm thinking about this is not for the page views.

01:10:29 ◼   ► I don't necessarily care about the possible increase in page views.

01:10:34 ◼   ► The problem that I came across with editorial two years ago was the review was so long,

01:10:40 ◼   ► with so many images, so many videos, that it caused issues for a lot of people who couldn't

01:10:46 ◼   ► open the review in their browsers because the browsers were crashing, because the webpage

01:10:51 ◼   ► was too heavy.

01:10:53 ◼   ► In thinking about this problem nowadays, our website is much lighter and it's responsive

01:10:58 ◼   ► and it's a better reading experience and browsers and mobile devices are more powerful today

01:11:03 ◼   ► than two years ago.

01:11:04 ◼   ► But there's a problem.

01:11:06 ◼   ► It's going to be way longer than the editorial review and it's going to have more images,

01:11:11 ◼   ► it's going to have animated GIFs, it's going to have videos, there's going to be a lot

01:11:15 ◼   ► of resources on the webpage itself.

01:11:19 ◼   ► And I'm thinking, if this is only on a single page, what happens if somebody tries to read

01:11:26 ◼   ► this review on a mobile network, on 3G or 4G?

01:11:30 ◼   ► Do I really want that person to consume all that data on a single page?

01:11:35 ◼   ► And most importantly, is that single webpage gonna offer reasonable performance when scrolling

01:11:40 ◼   ► around, when jumping from section to section, when opening footnotes and going back to the

01:11:45 ◼   ► body text?

01:11:47 ◼   ► My primary concern is that such a long piece of text and multimedia is going to be problematic

01:11:54 ◼   ► on a single page.

01:11:55 ◼   ► And if my reader is not able to have a good experience in reading a single page, then

01:12:04 ◼   ► a single page shouldn't be the default presentation of the review.

01:12:08 ◼   ► Which is why I'm thinking of going the Syracuse way and splitting the review in relevant pages,

01:12:15 ◼   ► not necessarily by word count but by section. So where it makes sense to split up the reviewing

01:12:21 ◼   ► pages, offer an option to read in a single page because of course that's the right thing

01:12:26 ◼   ► to do. But otherwise, just split up the review so it's easier to read, it's easier to follow,

01:12:33 ◼   ► it doesn't consume as much mobile data or wifi, whatever it is that you gotta keep an

01:12:37 ◼   ► eye on, as you normally would on a single page and be extremely upfront about the reason

01:12:44 ◼   ► why it's available on multiple pages rather than a single page by default.

01:12:48 ◼   ► So I want to make the default the multiple pages and I want to make the single page an

01:12:52 ◼   ► option.

01:12:53 ◼   ► In my opinion this isn't even a question, that's just what you should do.

01:12:59 ◼   ► The benefits are so clear, I don't know why you would go backwards and forwards on it.

01:13:07 ◼   ► It just makes sense, it just makes sense.

01:13:09 ◼   ► editorial was it crashed Chrome on my phone like that that it was crazy like

01:13:18 ◼   ► it was just really tough and considering that I mean you know you said you didn't

01:13:22 ◼   ► want to get the work out away you said that you're halfway through and this is

01:13:27 ◼   ► already approaching the size of the biggest article ever published to your

01:13:31 ◼   ► site so people can infer what that might look like and I know that you're halfway

01:13:39 ◼   ► through the topics, not necessarily halfway through the words, right?

01:13:42 ◼   ► Yes.

01:13:43 ◼   ► So it could be less, it could be more even.

01:13:46 ◼   ► I think that it just makes sense.

01:13:48 ◼   ► Give people the button to click it and crash their web browser if they want to.

01:13:53 ◼   ► But I think that this has to be split into sections.

01:13:57 ◼   ► Because plus as a reader, for me anyway, I find it nicer because I'm able to accomplish

01:14:02 ◼   ► this in stages.

01:14:05 ◼   ► It gives you a sense of place, really.

01:14:08 ◼   ► Because at a certain point I can't judge how much more I have to go because my scroll bar

01:14:13 ◼   ► just becomes, you can't make it any smaller.

01:14:18 ◼   ► So like the little button, the little tic tac in the scroll bar, whatever that's supposed

01:14:21 ◼   ► to be called, that's just going to stop getting small.

01:14:26 ◼   ► So it's just going to become impossible for me to understand how much I have left to go

01:14:31 ◼   ► here.

01:14:32 ◼   ► I always appreciate, as somebody that doesn't like to read extremely long things, just in

01:14:37 ◼   ► general I always really appreciated that with John's reviews that they were

01:14:41 ◼   ► broken up into sections like that because plus I could jump bits I didn't

01:14:45 ◼   ► want to read really easily like just stuff that just wasn't relevant to me.

01:14:49 ◼   ► It also makes it easier to link back to something in the future so like I've

01:14:54 ◼   ► written about OS X and I refer to something that John wrote in one section

01:14:58 ◼   ► and I can link a user directly to a page that's the most relevant to what I'm

01:15:03 ◼   ► trying to get across and so there's a lot of benefits I think you should definitely

01:15:08 ◼   ► paginate it.

01:15:09 ◼   ► I do know you guys a couple years ago when you guys were doing an OS X review had a PDF

01:15:16 ◼   ► for sale.

01:15:17 ◼   ► Do you see anything like that going on with your iOS 9 review?

01:15:22 ◼   ► That was a heavy sign.

01:15:25 ◼   ► something again that Myke knows that I'm doing this year and that is definitely

01:15:34 ◼   ► an idea. What does Myke get to know about your secrets and not me? Because Myke, no because I

01:15:41 ◼   ► feel like when I'm telling you stuff it needs to be finalized otherwise you're

01:15:47 ◼   ► the adult and you will be upset if it doesn't pan out as it's supposed to work.

01:15:52 ◼   ► Whereas Myke is more of a youngster and he's open to crazy ideas and stuff.

01:15:58 ◼   ► Whereas more, I fear your judgment in a way, in a good way, Steven.

01:16:04 ◼   ► You know, like I tell you when I'm, no, I'm just kidding. I just happened to tell Myke.

01:16:10 ◼   ► But I'm pretty sure I actually told you. But anyway, there's like, it's an idea.

01:16:17 ◼   ► Let me just say that it's an idea, a PDF and an EPUB version.

01:16:22 ◼   ► I don't know how much...

01:16:25 ◼   ► If I finish the review, the entire proofreading and the screenshots and the GIFs and the videos,

01:16:33 ◼   ► if I'm done two days ahead of the public release, will I have time to handle the PDF and EPUB conversion?

01:16:41 ◼   ► I don't know. Can it come later as an option for some readers? Maybe. So that's something we're considering.

01:16:50 ◼   ► What I'm struggling with, that I kind of want to talk to you guys about. As I told you, I'm setting goals for myself.

01:17:02 ◼   ► like today I want to write this section and then I want to be done with this

01:17:07 ◼   ► other section by Wednesday, you know, that kind of progress and I'm really

01:17:13 ◼   ► struggling to not to feel bad about missing those deadlines that I made up

01:17:22 ◼   ► for myself because maybe I'm writing a section and I realized that I want to

01:17:28 ◼   ► that I want to say less or I want to say more,

01:17:31 ◼   ► and then the goal that I originally set in my mind

01:17:35 ◼   ► completely goes away because maybe I'm late

01:17:39 ◼   ► or maybe I'm done super early with this section.

01:17:42 ◼   ► And especially considering going on vacation

01:17:46 ◼   ► and the fact that in the summer I'm not supposed to work

01:17:52 ◼   ► as much as I work in the fall and the winter,

01:17:55 ◼   ► I kind of, on multiple occasions I feel bad. I don't know if it makes sense.

01:18:01 ◼   ► And I wanted to ask if you guys have a system to kind of organize goals,

01:18:09 ◼   ► but also to be flexible with those goals and to kind of reset them as you're completing the task

01:18:16 ◼   ► or working on the task.

01:18:17 ◼   ► I expect Steven will have a more logical answer than me because my answer and feeling about this stuff

01:18:25 ◼   ► is I think you have to feel bad.

01:18:27 ◼   ► Like I don't, that's just, to me it is like no other way

01:18:31 ◼   ► to do it because if that doesn't make you feel bad

01:18:34 ◼   ► then you won't feel bad if you just don't do the work.

01:18:37 ◼   ► Right, like if you're feeling bad even when you've done

01:18:41 ◼   ► more work, right, but you've just done different work,

01:18:44 ◼   ► that is frustrating but I think that it is a necessary

01:18:49 ◼   ► outcome of feeling bad at all.

01:18:51 ◼   ► Like it's just something that you have to accept

01:18:55 ◼   ► that you're gonna feel bad if you didn't meet

01:18:57 ◼   ► your established goal for the day,

01:18:59 ◼   ► but yet you have done work that is still useful.

01:19:03 ◼   ► I mean, I have declined a scenario.

01:19:05 ◼   ► I'm able to feel a little bit better

01:19:07 ◼   ► when I know at least I've been useful in some way.

01:19:10 ◼   ► Like I've done something which has been of use,

01:19:12 ◼   ► but I still feel bad if I haven't marked all the things off

01:19:16 ◼   ► in a day that I wanted to get done in a day.

01:19:18 ◼   ► But I think that really, just feel bad about it,

01:19:23 ◼   ► but understand that the reason you feel bad about it

01:19:25 ◼   ► is because you care.

01:19:27 ◼   ► Because if you stop feeling bad about it,

01:19:29 ◼   ► then maybe you won't be able to get it done at all.

01:19:33 ◼   ► It's just a necessary thing about caring.

01:19:37 ◼   ► That's how I look at it.

01:19:39 ◼   ► - Thank you, Myke.

01:19:42 ◼   ► - No, I think that's a really fair way of looking at it,

01:19:45 ◼   ► Myke and I definitely resonate with a lot of that. The only thing I would I would

01:19:49 ◼   ► add and not so much for my time as like an independent person because it's only been a

01:19:53 ◼   ► week but my previous life being a project manager you on any sort of big

01:20:00 ◼   ► project you have sort of known quantities of things so you know how

01:20:04 ◼   ► many hours a day that you can reasonably work you know that Apple is gonna have

01:20:10 ◼   ► an event September night so you have a rough idea of when that deadline is and

01:20:13 ◼   ► And then you have all the things that are wildcards of,

01:20:18 ◼   ► you know, you have these technical questions to answer.

01:20:21 ◼   ► You have, hey, you know, there could really be

01:20:24 ◼   ► a drastic change at some point in this.

01:20:26 ◼   ► It could be that, you know, I wrote this thing

01:20:29 ◼   ► and then like you said, I forgot this section

01:20:30 ◼   ► or I didn't outline properly,

01:20:32 ◼   ► so I got to go back and rework something.

01:20:34 ◼   ► So for me, it's just trying to get out ahead

01:20:37 ◼   ► of all those contingencies and having an understanding

01:20:43 ◼   ► of what you can control and you know things that are sort of like almost in

01:20:48 ◼   ► your control what you can do to rein those in and it sounds like you're doing

01:20:52 ◼   ► that like you have a goal of hey I plan on having the iPad section done before I

01:20:55 ◼   ► leave well if you don't have it done it's probably not the end of the world

01:21:00 ◼   ► right you still have time that you already said that's the biggest section

01:21:04 ◼   ► and so I think it's just a matter of finding what you can do in a reasonable

01:21:10 ◼   ► in a reasonable way to try to limit surprises.

01:21:15 ◼   ► And whatever that looks like in writing,

01:21:17 ◼   ► I was not in reviews obviously different

01:21:19 ◼   ► than doing other types of work.

01:21:21 ◼   ► But I think the sort of the concept is the same

01:21:22 ◼   ► of what can I really handle and make sure it goes my way?

01:21:27 ◼   ► And how do I prepare for the things that I can't?

01:21:31 ◼   ► I think that's a pretty, it's worked well for me in the past

01:21:35 ◼   ► at a normal job and I think it will hopefully continue

01:21:38 ◼   ► to serve me well now.

01:21:40 ◼   ► And hopefully you.

01:21:41 ◼   ► - Thank you, Stephen.

01:21:43 ◼   ► Another thing that I struggle with,

01:21:45 ◼   ► and then I think I found a solution for,

01:21:48 ◼   ► is collecting screenshots during the betas.

01:21:52 ◼   ► So, since the first beta by S9 in June,

01:21:56 ◼   ► I've been taking screenshots every day

01:21:58 ◼   ► of every single feature or detail or problem that I notice.

01:22:02 ◼   ► And I take the screenshot

01:22:03 ◼   ► and I left it there in the Photos app.

01:22:07 ◼   ► And around the time of Beta 4, I was thinking maybe it is time for me to start organizing

01:22:15 ◼   ► these screenshots because maybe I'll have to use them or maybe I'll have to mention

01:22:20 ◼   ► a feature that's been changed during the course of the Beta.

01:22:24 ◼   ► And I was thinking, should I use iCloud Drive?

01:22:26 ◼   ► Should I use Dropbox?

01:22:28 ◼   ► Should I use one of those dedicated screenshot management apps on the iPhone and iPad?

01:22:34 ◼   ► And the more I thought about this problem, the more I realized I was creating a problem

01:22:39 ◼   ► for myself.

01:22:41 ◼   ► So I just created an album in the Photos app and every time I take a screenshot that is

01:22:48 ◼   ► relevant to the review, I just drop it there so it's synced and available across all of

01:22:53 ◼   ► my devices and I don't have to install a different app and wait for the app to sync because Photos

01:23:00 ◼   ► has been really fast in my experience.

01:23:03 ◼   ► The only problem is I would like to be able to move photos from the all photos screen,

01:23:16 ◼   ► like the main view of the photos app, and to just move them into a folder.

01:23:21 ◼   ► Basically I want to hide those photos from the main view, those screenshots actually.

01:23:26 ◼   ► So whenever I'm browsing the photos app I don't want to see the screenshots of iOS 9.

01:23:31 ◼   ► now instead they show up in two places. They show up in the photos view which is the main

01:23:36 ◼   ► screen and they also show up in the album. So like every time I browse my photos and

01:23:41 ◼   ► screenshots I see them in two places and it's kind of confusing and I guess the problem

01:23:46 ◼   ► could be fixed by using a separate app to manage the screenshots but I really don't

01:23:50 ◼   ► want to. The other and the final really, the final,

01:23:57 ◼   ► a problem initially but now I've accepted that it's just the way that I am.

01:24:03 ◼   ► Because I'm taking this more, I would say, complete maybe, approach to the review this

01:24:11 ◼   ► year.

01:24:12 ◼   ► I never really wrote a review of iOS before, it was always like a personal reflection on

01:24:19 ◼   ► iOS.

01:24:20 ◼   ► It tended to be a fairly in-depth and complete look at the new version of iOS, but it was

01:24:28 ◼   ► never labeled or treated as review.

01:24:31 ◼   ► Instead, this year I'm taking the iOS review approach and I go through all the changes

01:24:37 ◼   ► that I can personally experience.

01:24:41 ◼   ► So by that I mean I won't be able to test transit directions because I don't live in

01:24:46 ◼   ► a city where they are available.

01:24:49 ◼   ► But I'm still gonna use all the other features that I can test, even if I'm not gonna use

01:24:53 ◼   ► them every day, such as the podcast app or changes to reminders, that kind of stuff.

01:25:00 ◼   ► But I struggled initially to accept the fact that I'm not gonna be the kind of reviewer

01:25:07 ◼   ► who just describes what's new.

01:25:12 ◼   ► I'm gonna have thoughts in there and I'm gonna have comments.

01:25:17 ◼   ► So I'm not going to describe in super detail what's in multitasking.

01:25:25 ◼   ► I'm not just gonna do that.

01:25:27 ◼   ► I'm gonna do that.

01:25:28 ◼   ► I'm gonna be as objective as possible in describing all the macro changes and all the details

01:25:38 ◼   ► and little known facts.

01:25:40 ◼   ► But I'm also gonna have an opinion on what's going on.

01:25:43 ◼   ► And initially I struggled with this because I was like, I should be an objective reviewer

01:25:48 ◼   ► and I should only describe what's new.

01:25:51 ◼   ► And I should only focus on how the features work, what they do, what they're missing.

01:25:57 ◼   ► But as I was trying to do this, I realized that I was forcing myself into a mindset that's

01:26:03 ◼   ► not really mine, because I'm gonna have an opinion anyway.

01:26:08 ◼   ► Even if I talk about what's missing, that's a personal motivation behind that anyway.

01:26:16 ◼   ► And so the review is going to be a combination of facts and a combination of detail, I hope,

01:26:23 ◼   ► but also opinion and also experience and what it's like to use this, especially because

01:26:28 ◼   ► I should, I guess I should treat the fact that I work from an iPad as an advantage rather

01:26:36 ◼   ► than a personal bias because it is a personal bias.

01:26:40 ◼   ► I mean, I use the iPad every day,

01:26:42 ◼   ► so I'm gonna have an opinion.

01:26:44 ◼   ► But I guess initially I didn't wanna accept this.

01:26:48 ◼   ► Instead now I think I'm lucky in a way

01:26:52 ◼   ► because I get to have an opinion that's been formed

01:26:57 ◼   ► over the past two to three years.

01:27:02 ◼   ► And that's a good thing, I think.

01:27:06 ◼   ► And I hope that it comes across, you know,

01:27:09 ◼   ► that I try to take a look at all the changes

01:27:12 ◼   ► and all the features from an analytical perspective,

01:27:15 ◼   ► but also from a personal perspective.

01:27:17 ◼   ► And I hope, it is my hope that this kind of flow

01:27:21 ◼   ► works in the review.

01:27:23 ◼   ► If it doesn't, at least I tried.

01:27:26 ◼   ► You know?

01:27:29 ◼   ► - You touched on a really interesting thing,

01:27:31 ◼   ► something that I think a good bit about

01:27:33 ◼   ► about the objectivity angle of things.

01:27:36 ◼   ► Right, you go and you listen to people

01:27:39 ◼   ► who have done hardcore traditional journalism

01:27:42 ◼   ► and they say you cannot be subjective,

01:27:45 ◼   ► journalism requires objectivity

01:27:47 ◼   ► so you can tell the actual story.

01:27:50 ◼   ► And I think that's true, but I think that something

01:27:52 ◼   ► like an Iowa Sound review is something different

01:27:54 ◼   ► than objective reporting on an event

01:28:00 ◼   ► or on some sort of news story.

01:28:02 ◼   ► So I think that your balance of explaining the features

01:28:06 ◼   ► and then giving your opinion and your thoughts on them

01:28:11 ◼   ► that, like you said, have been formed

01:28:14 ◼   ► over the last several years of using this

01:28:16 ◼   ► day in and day out to pay your bills.

01:28:18 ◼   ► That your job is only possible because of this technology.

01:28:21 ◼   ► That gives you a unique insight.

01:28:23 ◼   ► And frankly, that unique insight

01:28:24 ◼   ► is why people come to Max Stories.

01:28:26 ◼   ► It's why people are gonna open their view in the first place

01:28:28 ◼   ► because they, hey, Federico's the iPad guy,

01:28:31 ◼   ► and I wanna see what he thinks about this.

01:28:33 ◼   ► So I don't know if I would let,

01:28:35 ◼   ► if I were you, I wouldn't let that keep me up at night

01:28:37 ◼   ► of where that line is of what should be objective

01:28:41 ◼   ► and what shouldn't be,

01:28:42 ◼   ► and because A, you can go crazy trying to figure out

01:28:46 ◼   ► what the right answer is,

01:28:48 ◼   ► 'cause I don't think there is a right answer.

01:28:50 ◼   ► But I think too that you're,

01:28:52 ◼   ► in something like a review,

01:28:55 ◼   ► your opinion is what matters the most, right?

01:28:58 ◼   ► So you can say hey, iOS 9 does these 10 new things.

01:29:02 ◼   ► It's really great.

01:29:03 ◼   ► Well then why not just go to Apple's website?

01:29:05 ◼   ► Why not just go read any other website on the planet

01:29:08 ◼   ► that is gonna put a bulleted list of what is new in iOS 9?

01:29:12 ◼   ► What you bring to the table is that unique perspective

01:29:15 ◼   ► and so I think that you should share it

01:29:17 ◼   ► and I'm looking forward to reading it.

01:29:18 ◼   ► I fully anticipate reading this on my iPad.

01:29:22 ◼   ► - Thank you.

01:29:22 ◼   ► - And seeing what you have to say about it

01:29:26 ◼   ► because I value your opinion in this more than anyone else's.

01:29:30 ◼   ► And I think there are a lot of people out there that agree with me on that.

01:29:33 ◼   ► And Federico, I saw you tweeting about this the other day.

01:29:38 ◼   ► This is the first time you've done the entire review on an iPad, right?

01:29:43 ◼   ► Yes.

01:29:44 ◼   ► Like, everything, everything?

01:29:46 ◼   ► Everything.

01:29:47 ◼   ► What was the last Bastion to fall?

01:29:49 ◼   ► There's...

01:29:52 ◼   ► There's nothing in this review coming from a Mac.

01:29:56 ◼   ► But what had been like last year, for example?

01:29:58 ◼   ► Last year, for example,

01:30:00 ◼   ► I did some proofreading on my Mac.

01:30:06 ◼   ► I had to most importantly, I needed to upload images from my MacBook

01:30:13 ◼   ► because I didn't have a workflow for image uploads to our CDN.

01:30:17 ◼   ► And I remember talking about that.

01:30:20 ◼   ► You had several different workflows and they kept breaking.

01:30:22 ◼   ► Yes, and in fact, the workflow that I have on my iPad and the iPhone wouldn't be possible,

01:30:34 ◼   ► but it wouldn't be as easy or as fast or as integrated with the system on OS X as it is

01:30:40 ◼   ► on iOS 8 or 9.

01:30:42 ◼   ► So it's actually better this year.

01:30:46 ◼   ► It went from nothing to better, which is pretty good.

01:30:50 ◼   ► Anything else?

01:30:55 ◼   ► I just want to be done with this.

01:30:58 ◼   ► But once again, I'm trying to enjoy the experience.

01:31:05 ◼   ► I'm trying to enjoy the fact that every time I write, I see the light at the end of the

01:31:10 ◼   ► tunnel.

01:31:13 ◼   ► I'm trying to find the joy in having a story throughout the review.

01:31:23 ◼   ► There's a bunch of themes that I tried to introduce at the beginning of the article.

01:31:30 ◼   ► And I'm having fun developing those threads throughout the story, throughout the review,

01:31:37 ◼   ► And kind of going back to those and kind of mentioning them in multiple sections, trying

01:31:43 ◼   ► these few core themes and ideas.

01:31:48 ◼   ► And it is fun to be able to observe how at least my mind works in connecting those themes

01:31:56 ◼   ► to what's new.

01:31:58 ◼   ► And maybe for some people it'll be another case of, "Oh my God, Federico writes too

01:32:04 ◼   ► much or is too verbose, he explains too much or he finds some kind of technological romanticism

01:32:15 ◼   ► in some things that are just a bunch of zeros and ones.

01:32:20 ◼   ► And that's ok, again people are always free not to read.

01:32:25 ◼   ► But I always go back to the question, do I want to write the website that is about describing

01:32:32 ◼   ► what's new and be done with it and just like you know I'm done I don't care give me the page views

01:32:38 ◼   ► or do I want to understand why people made made something whether it's a device or an app or

01:32:45 ◼   ► no as this way because of such and such reasons that's what I want to do so hopefully it'll work

01:32:52 ◼   ► out even at a at a larger scale this year that's my hope we'll see right now I just want to go on

01:32:59 ◼   ► vacation and take some time off. Well, I hope that you're able to actually relax,

01:33:07 ◼   ► although I'm sure you'll be working as well. Yeah, and I'm just trying to like convince myself,

01:33:12 ◼   ► but I know that I'm going to take notes, or at least take notes or write something like at night,

01:33:20 ◼   ► because I'm very weird when like when I'm inspired and I got this sentence that I really want to

01:33:26 ◼   ► write down, I'm like, "Okay, I just want to write down this sentence and then I'll

01:33:30 ◼   ► take a bunch of notes." And I end up writing like a section. So we'll see.

01:33:39 ◼   ► Cool, I think that about wraps up this week. If you'd like to find our show notes on

01:33:43 ◼   ► the internet you can do that at relay.fm/connected/52. I want to thank

01:33:49 ◼   ► our sponsors again for helping us out this week. That's Fracture, Hover and

01:33:53 ◼   ► and Squarespace and we will be back next week. If you want to find us online you can do that.

01:33:58 ◼   ► Federico is @Vitiici and he writes at maxstories.net. Stephen is @ismh on Twitter and

01:34:06 ◼   ► he writes over at 512pixels.net and I am @imike and we'll be back next time. Until then, say goodbye guys.

01:34:15 ◼   ► Arrivederci. Adios.