54: Tim is the New Cook
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From Relay FM this is Connected episode number
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54. Today's show is brought to you by Squarespace, build it beautiful,
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and arc. Automatic and secure backup for your
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files. My name is Myke Curley and I'm joined by the wonderful Mr Stephen Hackett.
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Hello sir, how are you?
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Hello, I am well Myke, how are you?
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I am very well indeed. I am very happy today because the wanderer has returned, Mr. Federico Vittucci.
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Hey guys, I'm back.
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Welcome back. How was your break?
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Thank you. It was a very long break. It was amazing. I mean, we visited a lot of places
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and we drove around Italy. It turns out that Italy is quite big and it can take you a while to go
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from the very, you know, southern part of Italy back to Rome, especially when you're driving.
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but we're happy and I feel relaxed and I feel also out of the loop on everything that happened
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on Twitter and the internet in general. Like I don't know what's going on. That's a weird feeling
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when you're always like following the news and you know reading all the tweets. So I'm basically
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counting on Steven to teach me everything that's going on with the follow-up and to
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kind of, you know, be my guide. Can you be my guide to life, Steven, in general?
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I'll be your life coach, is really what it sounds like.
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Well, Apple's out of business and...
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This show's about Google now.
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Yeah, you've been a refer to the mail.
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Something to do with the stock markets, I think.
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Yeah, that's a bad thing.
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I can talk about Google. I can talk about Google. I can live with that.
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So Apple is really out of business.
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What is what is Tim Cook doing now?
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He works at Google.
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Oh. Oh, okay. Well, that's quite a change.
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But he works at like the hot dog stand. Like it's not a real job. It's pretty. It's not great.
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All of this in 11 days.
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It's been really busy, man.
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So the T is for Tim Cook in alphabet.
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That's what you're trying to say?
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A hundred percent.
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A hundred percent.
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Yeah, they got him mixed up when he handed in his resume and it said "cook" and then
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they put him on the pot box stand.
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Thank you very much everyone.
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I'll see myself out.
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Steven, save us for follow-up.
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I will save us by correcting our past mistakes and sins.
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That's all we ever do, really.
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So last week we had David Sparks on and we were talking about the iTunes festival which
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we had said has been in London but actually up until this year also took place at South
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by Southwest, the giant nerd event, mammoth mass of humanity that descends on Austin,
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Texas every year.
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sound really excited about this event. Yeah, the last place I want to be in the world is
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South by Southwest. I will never go. But I think that they maybe did it like once or
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twice there. There's no way it's been going on for as long as it has been in London. They
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did it in, yeah, only once in 2014 I think. Yes, and it is not happening this year. We
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have a link in the show notes to a website whose name I cannot pronounce because it's
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just letters but um mix down man yeah where's your where's your web 2.0
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language gone I know yeah they dropped all the vowels but it's not going on
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this year still just in London I stand by what we said last week though I think
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it'd be really cool to see Apple expand this but no no Apple Music Festival for
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South by Southwest victims this year sounds like the kind of place where
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Robert Scoble would go to? Am I right? It's gonna start up a kind of environment.
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Yeah my understanding is it used to be a lot cooler than it is before it got too
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big and now it's not so... basically not a lot of people really go
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anymore. Well lots of people go but not a lot of people that I know go
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anymore anyway. It seems like it got way too big and it seems like Austin can
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barely cope with South by Southwest. I want to provide a bit of follow-up
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because last week I heard the real disappointment in David's voice when I
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told him that I wasn't listening to Beats 1 very much anymore and I was
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talking about the replays and I've actually this week I've gone in and
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listened to some of the Beats 1 replays I listened to a couple of Alton Johns and
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I think he Golding as well and I think the experience is great like I can go in
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and I can listen to all of the songs and I can listen to the banter or the
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descriptions between songs which I think is really important with these
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shows. I feel like this is how it always should have been, like they should have
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had this from day one and also kind of like officially supported it needs to be
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better surfaced in a navigation. Like you currently have to dig through a massive
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Kinect pages to try and find it and there should be like a whole UI based
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around the fact that these replays exist. I don't think they need to be podcasts, I
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think it shouldn't be that because you'll end up with all kinds of problems
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if you're Apple trying to get the music for that stuff but just have it as a, you
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know, maybe when you go on to the radio tab there should just be like a replays
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button and you press replays and you get a list of replays rather than like
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trawling through Kinect to find them in a weird list which doesn't really seem to
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make much sense but it's cool.
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I haven't been listening to music actually like at all
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Well, in the past two weeks, always been busy, you know, wake up early, go to the beach,
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then have lunch, go to the beach again, prepare for dinner, go out for dinner, you know, go
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out after dinner, come back, go to sleep.
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I'm pleased that you were able to get through it for all of us.
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And so I haven't been listening to podcasts, I'm sorry guys, or music, I'm sorry Myke.
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I mean, I think it is a nice option to have, you know, the replay.
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It needs a better integration with the app itself.
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Because right now, as you said, you've got to go to Connect and you've got to find basically
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what you're looking for.
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Instead, it should always be there alongside a full schedule.
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I still think there should be a full schedule or full calendar of what's going on on Beats
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I think I wanna catch up on Beats 1 episodes, shows, as much as I wanna listen to the podcast
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episodes that I've missed.
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I don't know if there's a comparison to be made about listening to Beats 1 shows as podcasts,
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Because much of the shared experience, I guess, is in the live listening.
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But based on what I see on Twitter, a lot of people are listening to Beats 1 shows with
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this new system instead of listening live every day.
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There's still quite a few people in my Twitter timeline that listen to Beats 1 every day
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live at the same time.
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But much of the original, like the excitement around the launch of Beats 1 has kind of faded
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away with time and so right now I'm seeing people listening to the replays like you Myke
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and I don't know if I'll have the time to always listen to Beats 1 shows and podcasts
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and music. You know it's a lot of audio content I guess that's what I'm trying to say. It
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is convenient but it's also a lot of stuff.
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Right so last week I spoke about, well we all spoke a little bit about kind of the things
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that we use input wise we talk about track pads and stuff like that and I was
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mentioning my mouse trackpad keyboard scenario that I have going on here and I
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was complaining about the fact that I have two receivers I have a Microsoft
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receiver and a Logitech receiver well that's what I didn't mention actually
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what I mentioned last week is I had these two receivers and it was really
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annoying that I had to have two but one of my pieces of equipment
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My keyboard is a Microsoft keyboard and then I have a Logitech mouse so I had to have the
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two little dongles.
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So a bunch of people sent in links to the Logitech Unifying Receiver and the Logitech
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Unifying Software.
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So if you have two Logitech devices you can join them together to use just one of those
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So I didn't make that clear but that is out there for people in case they need it.
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So you have the ability to link those two things together so you don't have to have
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a bunch of little dongles hanging out the back.
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Since last week's show I have bought something. I bought a new mouse and
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Basically the way this came to me is I've been watching a lot of
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MKB HD videos Marcus Marcus Brownlee's videos
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And he had a video about the Logitech MX master mouse
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and I went and bought myself one of those and
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I'm in love so deeply with this mouse
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How are you using this mouse? What do you mean? Like... Because I missed last week.
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Okay. Tell me, like, is this useful for like editing in Logic? That kind of stuff?
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Like all the shortcuts that it gives you? Well, so the original one that I had, it
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was just because I like to have a mouse and a trackpad, right? So I use the
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mouse for the precision editing, sort of clicking and the dragging and stuff, but
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then I used the trackpad for gestures like zooming and panning around the file
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and I like to just use a mouse for it and plus I use a mouse to try and
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prevent RSI issues because I started to get a bunch of pains in my hands when I
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was just using trackpads all the time so the the Logitech mice are made to be
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ergonomic I think at least that's the way they look on what they say so but I
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went and picked up this Logitech MX Master and it is expensive it's it's in
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the region of like 90 to 100 dollars but it has a bunch of things that I really
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love and there's a bunch of things that it can do which I've set this thing up
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to be like the perfect piece of equipment. So one thing this connects by
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Bluetooth which is brilliant because my existing Logitech mouse I had to plug
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the little receiver in. You do get the receiver as well if you want to use that
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but whatever. It also charges via mini USB rather than needing batteries which
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is another plus because I have a bunch of those cables everywhere and there's
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always one plugged into something. You can set up three machines of it and it
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has a little button on the bottom to do one two and three so you can program in
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in its memory different computers so you can use different machines of it which
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is also good for me when I take my MacBook Pro out like and I go and edit
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something from my co-working space. But the crazy thing about this is there is a
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piece of software that Logitech make called Logitech options that lets you
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customize what every single button on this thing does so I have now like the
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perfect mouse for basically every use so there is a button there was a few
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buttons that they call the gesture buttons there's one in like where you
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put your thumb and if I click down on that and swipe the mouse left and right
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it changes spaces right which is something that I needed the trackpad for
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to be able to switch spaces. So I just press a button and move the mouse left
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and right on the desktop and it will change my spaces. I can also click that
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button to get to Mission Control, which is also very useful. But then when I'm in
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Logic, this has a couple of things on it on this mouse which are just brilliant
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for me. So it has a thumb wheel that you can scroll left and right with, so I can
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scroll left and right in the document. The button that you know when you are on
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these types of mice you can have your the the wheel the scroll wheel either go
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smooth or have that like resistance like the clicking resistance you know I'm
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talking about yeah you can the program the button that you use to change that
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you can actually program to do anything so I have that button so I have my my
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wheels always with resistance so it's clicking and that button when I press
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that button and move the mouse up and down, it zooms in and out so I can zoom in and out
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on the Logic tracks.
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And then it has two buttons on the side, which would usually be your back and forward buttons,
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and I have those mapped to the space bar and command.
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So when I press the space bar one it will pause and play.
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And then I press command which gives me the modifier key so I can access tools, so I can
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select that and then I can cut parts out of the audio.
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And then the other crazy thing that I've done is the button that you on the scroll
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wheel, you know, you get the button on the scroll wheel, right?
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You can click in.
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I've mapped that to delete so I can.
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So this is something that I'm doing now.
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And I press play on the mouse. Right.
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I find a part that I want to start. I want to cut.
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So I press the play button on the mouse.
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I hold down the modifier key, select the area, click it,
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then press the delete key and then press play again.
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Like I can do this all with the mouse.
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This thing is amazing.
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I love it so much.
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It's perfect.
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It's I'm I'm still getting used to it,
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but I could just use this and I would be totally fine.
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Like it does everything I need.
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You have a bespoke mouse work workflow.
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Yes, I feel like you right now.
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Like I felt when at the moment where I realized that I could map the buttons to play pause and command
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I I felt like I'd committed some sort of Evil Genius crime. Like I just felt like cackling
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It was it was a great moment for me. I'm very very happy with this mouse. It is expensive
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Just fantastic. Like I absolutely love it. And I think people that do this type of stuff
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This is this is a mouse you should check out Logitech have really made something very special and the fact that you can
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Customize it so much is what I love about it
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Like because I've used these types of mice before like from this same range and there's little bits that you can do so you can customize
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Some of the buttons but the fact that this has more buttons than previous ones, right?
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Then they've done that purposefully so you can do things like spaces and mission control and like you can change it
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all. So like when I press that gesture button down to go through spaces, it moves in four
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directions, right? So I can go left and right in spaces and I can go to expose and app expose.
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But you can customize that completely to do any number of actions and you can just choose from
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everything. It really is fantastic. I absolutely love it. And for people that do like serious work
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that needs this type of stuff, right? Like I don't know if you need this for web browsing so much,
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but like if you're doing things like audio editing or video editing
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this mouse really is kind of perfect for that sort of stuff
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and it's very comfortable. The battery seems to be really good on it
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like I've been using it for a week and the battery's still going and
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let's see how many... I'm moving it around it's not showing me how
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good the battery life is because it's got the little indicator light but it
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doesn't matter. But the battery is really good.
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I'm very very happy with this. I think that this is a very very fantastic mouse
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and it could have completely upended my my little setup here.
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Nice. Very nice. There you go. So check it out.
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I'm looking forward to my kickback from Logitech for this.
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If it ever comes. So there you go. I have uh
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that is Myke's mouse corner for the day and
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I'm this is all I care about right now is input devices.
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I have tablets and all kinds of stuff.
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Yeah, but I love it.
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And this is a great, great piece of kit.
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- Do you feel like you would wanna use a mouse
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with the iPad because it's so customizable and so powerful?
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- Don't tease me.
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I can set it up as the third one on my programming here.
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- You know, I can set up the Mac Pro
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and then my MacBook and then my iPad.
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Oh, that would be,
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wouldn't that be a great day for all of us?
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don't want a mouse on the iPad Federico? I'm not sure why I would want to use a
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cursor on the iPad. No I don't either, that's crazy talk. But you know the
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physical shortcuts those are kind of awesome. You know all the configurations.
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That's what makes this for me. Like it's no better a mouse than any other mouse
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right? You can still move it around the same as any other mouse but it's it's
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how customizable it is not just that it has all these buttons the fact that you
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can customize them all makes it really really cool.
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Should we take a break?
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Let's do it.
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why this is good for you and can you explain a little bit more about like the
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that you get the complete control of what you back up and where it goes and
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their support of this show. So we wanted to talk this week about the rumored
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iPad Pro which you know very well could be coming to an Apple Store near you.
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Got a couple links in the show notes but to sort of recap what the rumors are
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saying. Seems that 12.9 inch display is on hand 2732 by 2048 which would put the
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same pixel density as the other Retina iPads which is something we know
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Apple likes to do. They like for their devices to be consistent PPI.
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It's easier for developers, easier for Apple. 2GB of RAM which would be nice on a device
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that is supposed to be higher powered and of course with a bigger display you have
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bigger RAM needs. Any iPhone 6 Plus owner can tell you that. And then of course the
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stylus/force touch angle of, you know, will this thing have force touch? Will it have true
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multi-depth... what is the word I'm looking for? Myke, you have one of these sitting on your desk.
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Oh, like the pressure sensitivity?
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Yes, exactly. You know, pressure sensitive, or is this gonna be force touch, or what will the stylus do?
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So all these rumors flying around, and there seems to be a situation here where
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there's a lot of smoke, maybe there's a fire, and I really want to see what you
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guys saw in Federico, you in particular being the resident iOS and iPad expert.
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What do you think a device like this could mean and is this something that
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you'd be interested in owning and using every day?
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That's two very difficult questions, Steven. I guess the first one, we need to
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think about what the iPad is still trying to do, what kind of use cases, what kind of
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people need to be addressed by a bigger iPad.
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Right now we have an iPad mini and we have the iPad Air 2.
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I would argue that the iPad mini is still quite, you know, for people who are looking
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for something bigger than a smartphone and even bigger than an iPhone 6 Plus, the iPad
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Mini may be enough, but with the 6 Plus we've seen a lot of people moving to the bigger
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iPad and by people I mean the kind of people who want to use both an iPhone and an iPad.
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Because the difference between the 6 Plus and the Mini is much smaller these days.
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It makes sense to have a big smartphone and an even bigger iPad.
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So from this perspective, would you want to switch from an iPad Air to an iPad Pro, which
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is starting to approach MacBook territory when it comes to size?
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And I guess what we need to consider is what kind of use cases would a bigger iPad improve
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or make possible that are not possible on an iPad Air.
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And I'm trying to think, and the more I think about this,
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the more I go back to the idea of a stylus or a pen,
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whatever, and force touch.
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Because there's a lot of jobs, a lot of professionals,
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who need to draw, they need to sketch,
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they need to have that kind of manual input
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on a touch display that it's not as convenient.
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sometimes not possible at all because sketching on an iPad mini can be quite cumbersome.
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But maybe a bigger iPad with an officially supported Apple stylus or Apple Pen with pressure
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sensitivity and really precise input would make those kind of jobs better suited for
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an iPad Pro rather than a smaller iPad.
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And I'm looking at the kind of software that Apple is building for the iPad, if we can
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find any hints of this kind of new touch input.
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And I'm looking at iOS 9 and the Notes app, and there's a new technology in iOS 9 called
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Advanced Touch Recognition, something like that, Advanced Touch Input.
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And basically it's meant to reduce the latency between multi-touch, between your interaction
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on the screen and what actually is displayed on the screen.
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And you can try this by using the new sketch
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feature of the Notes app.
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If you pay attention to your swipes on the screen,
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you can see that any line you draw
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is drawn much faster than any other sketching or drawing
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app on the App Store.
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And that's because the new Notes app uses the new APIs
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to render touches and, therefore, lines on the screen
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quicker than before.
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And so if we look at the software that Apple is building,
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it would make sense to have a new stylus accessory
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with a bigger iPad, so much more comfortable to use
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if you need to draw, if you need to sketch,
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if you need to compose documents by hand.
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With this new advanced touch input
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and with force touch for pressure sensitivity,
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it would make for an ideal kind of iPad
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for not just creative efforts for people who need to,
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artists that need the iPad as a sort of a tablet, you know?
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But also for any kind of drawing or sketching.
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And I'm also trying to think about the iPad Pro for myself, right?
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Would I need a bigger iPad?
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That's a very tough question because I think I'm mostly fine with the iPad Air, and I think
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I'm not in those type of users.
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I'm not an artist, I wouldn't use the iPad Pro to draw or sketch.
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Would I enjoy the occasional paper app with support for the Apple Pen and Force Touch?
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Yeah, but that's not a primary use case for me.
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So what I'm trying to consider is, with the multitasking features coming to iOS 9, and
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especially Split View, which lets you use two apps at the same time.
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A bigger iPad would make those two apps feel not like too many apps displayed at the same
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time but maybe like two full, complete full size apps displayed at the same time on a
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bigger iPad.
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When you use Split View on the iPad Air 2, it is super convenient and I love it and it's
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been such a terrific addition to the way that I work on the iPad every day.
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it feels like you're using two small, I mean, it's not that it feels, it is what you do.
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You use two small mini compact apps at the same time.
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On a bigger iPad, those would basically, in landscape mode, if we look at the rumored
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resolution for the device, they would basically be two apps in portrait mode, side by side,
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on an iPad Air size.
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And those two would make for a much more convenient workflow when using two apps at the same time.
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You would see bigger text, you would have bigger interface elements, they would just
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be more comfortable to use.
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Split View on the Air 2, it is convenient and it's useful but it still feels like it
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could be more, it could be bigger.
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And in that sense, I guess that an iPad Pro makes sense.
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Now as you noted also in our notes even, there's a rumor that the SplitView will come to the
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new iPad Mini as well.
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Now what I'm considering is just because it's possible doesn't mean that it's ideal for
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that device.
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In the same sense that maybe the camera, you can take a picture on an iPhone 5s but it
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It looks better on an iPhone 6 and it looks even better maybe on an iPhone 6 Plus.
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And you can have split view on an iPad mini 4 maybe, you can have split view on an iPad
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Air but it is better on an iPad Pro.
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That's maybe the angle that I'm trying to think about.
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And the final question is would I use a bigger iPad?
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Because I've talked a lot about the portability of an iPad.
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That's the most important aspect for me.
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I use the iPad everyday because I can use the iPad everyday because I move a lot, I
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walk a lot around the house, I don't have a single desk where I'm trying to work.
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I like to write or read from my desk in the bedroom or from the table in the kitchen,
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from my sofa in the balcony, whatever, I like to move around.
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And a 13 inch iPad would be quite a big device I guess.
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So I'm not sure about the physical aspect.
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Would it be comfortable to hold?
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Would it be comfortable to use every day?
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Does it weigh a lot?
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I don't know.
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I mean, nobody knows.
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I can only imagine.
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And I've been trying to put my hands around my screen up the MacBook Air.
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Here we go again.
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I'm trying to understand what such a display would be like.
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And it's quite big.
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So would it even fit in my Tom Veen bag?
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I don't know.
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I am intrigued.
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So my final conclusion for now, just a rumor, so my partial conclusion is I am intrigued,
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especially for the stylus aspect and especially even more for the multitasking.
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But I have doubts and concerns about the size and the portability.
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And I don't know, I mean, it's kind of weird to associate the Pro moniker with the iPad.
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Because Pro is usually Mac stuff.
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And iPad Pro, like I don't know what to think.
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Is it Pro because it's bigger?
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Is it Pro because there's a stylus?
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Is it Pro because Apple will make new Pro apps for the bigger iPad?
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they be exclusive to the bigger iPad if they really make new apps? At this stage
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I just have too many questions and like the more I think about it the more I get
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anxious about knowing the truth, you know? I remember though when we were talking
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about the mini and the regular iPad a long time ago like you said a lot of
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very very similar things like about portability and stuff like that about
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the idea of switching from the iPad mini and why you love the iPad mini. Now I
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know that you know 12 13 inches is two or three inches bigger than the air but
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it's it's just interesting to me like I wonder how I wonder if because you know
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you you ended up saying that you happy with the air because it was a good mix
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between portability and power and I wonder if that will continue because the
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macbook the current macbook that is incredibly portable and that is probably
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a similar-ish size to how an iPad Pro would be.
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But is it portable in a bag or is it comfortable to use in your hands all the time?
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Can you hold it?
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You don't hold the MacBook, you just rest it on your lap or desk.
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Well, Stephen, why don't you tell us?
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You've got one there.
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I mean, I'm not carrying around the MacBook like an iPad.
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And actually, this 12.9 inches is correct.
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this would actually be a good bit bigger.
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I mean the iPad screen is 12 inches exactly.
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So it would be larger than the MacBook.
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- The MacBook screen you mean?
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- Yeah. - Yeah.
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- The iPad Pro would be bigger than the MacBook.
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So they are comparable.
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And I agree with you that the portability is a concern.
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I just, I wonder if this device is really aimed
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really gains traction in sort of the artist designer creative type role that
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it might you know it might be something that you leave at your desk and then
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when you start when you go back to work the next morning it's there waiting for
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you it may be something that is less portable just you know due to to the use
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case but either way and I think this this is a little bit of recycling and
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old conversation as well. This is really new for iOS. Federico I share your sense
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of, I don't want to say dread, but your sense of curiosity about this because
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this this would be the first time really that Apple has introduced an iOS device
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that sort of with a different purpose than the others right? They came
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out with the iPad mini and it was like
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cool it's a smaller iPad and that's all
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there really was to say about it and if
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they do this and they really tell the
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story of this is great for these types
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of things that's new and it's definitely
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new for iOS and I would even argue that
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it's new for Apple on the whole you look
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at the Mac line. You know Apple sells the
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MacBook as the portable machine the
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MacBook Air is the affordable one the Mac
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Pro is powerful but all those
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computers can more or less do the same thing and if the iPad Pro has unique
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hardware that sets it apart and Apple's building separate apps for it or richer
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apps for it and they ask developers to do the same thing that's new territory
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all over the place so I think there's good reason to look at this to be like
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this is really an interesting time and a lot of new a lot of new stuff is going
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on here. This is a hard question to answer now like many of the questions
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that we're asking. Who's this even for? Like artists is not a market that is
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big enough to create an entire product for, right? This is for business as well?
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Enterprise, yeah. Because I know like when I was still in my corporate job, I
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mean and I worked in advertising, I started to see a lot of advertising
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agencies use surfaces because they could take them from place to place right very
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very easily you could set them up you could hook them up to a projector and it
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had all of the apps that you wanted on it and you had a pen that you could draw
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on screen right and take little notes and stuff like that I started to see
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more and more surfaces and I wonder if there's part like you know part of this
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is like IBM with their new partnership with Apple like this product would be
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really great and I know we know we could sell millions of these to the enterprise. And I
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wonder if that is a deciding factor in this product's decision as well. I guess it's all
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about the way that, I mean we're only ever going to know what Apple tell us, right? About
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why they made it. But I'm interested to see what that story is. Because it's difficult
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to sit here and work out knowing what we know or guessing what we want to guess about who
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is this for? Because at the moment it really does seem like artists is the main one that
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people keep throwing out there. Like I see students potentially, right? People can wheel
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out Phil Schiller to New York and they can do a textbook event again.
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We have the iPad DX on our hands here. And they can maybe roll out the textbooks idea
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and you can take notes on it and stuff. Like that interests me because I am a pen and paper
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guy. The idea of being able to take notes in a reliable form would be great
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because all of the current solutions is like the best way to do it is you have
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to enlarge the screen to get to that part so you can then shrink your
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notes down to a regular size later on because the sensitivity is not there
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with the screen right and the stylus can't be precise enough. So I
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like the idea of being able to do that and I think that would be really cool
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but then I try and think to myself, how often do I really need that?
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And it goes around and around from there.
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Yeah, because what is strange, I guess, is when you think about an iPad Pro and you imagine,
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well it must be for pro iOS users, that's not normally what you hear, you know, in our
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circle of friends online.
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In general, like on tech Twitter, you don't see a lot of pro iOS users.
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So everybody's trying to kind of imagine what this is for.
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Is it for the enterprise?
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Is it for education?
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Is it for creative people?
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Because it's so strange to think about the general public who's interested in a pro iOS
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kind of scenario.
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And it would be, if it's not directed, and I mean, Apple has to have a specific angle
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If it's not directed or presented as a product for a specific audience.
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So I don't see Apple going on stage and saying, "So we made an iPad for the enterprise."
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Or "We made an iPad for schools."
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They're going to say, "We made a bigger iPad, and it's an iPad Pro because it does this
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and this, and because iOS will take it to the next level."
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That's kind of what I'm trying to imagine as a presentation.
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And it would set quite a precedent for looking at and considering iOS as a professional platform,
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because that role is typically filled by OS X.
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And maybe with this iPad we're starting, we better start thinking about iOS as a feasible
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alternative for users who need to do pro stuff.
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And so I'm thinking, would it be possible to do video editing on this?
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Would it be possible to do audio editing?
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What kind of improvements are they going to bring to make the pro workflows possible on
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And it is strange to think about this because for many years we've been juggling with many
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limitations on iOS.
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And now that they've started to open up, you know, last year with extensions and this year
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with multitasking on iOS 9, maybe the next step is to finally say, "Yeah, okay, we're
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ready for the pros and we're going to bring the iPad to the pros."
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And that's…
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My problem with that argument is I spent 15 minutes at the start of this show talking
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about a mouse that I've programmed eight buttons so I can use logic the way that I want.
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I don't see me being able to do that sort of stuff.
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No, but maybe with a keyboard, you know?
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Not with a mouse, but maybe with a keyboard.
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Maybe we need gestures, maybe we force touch.
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The reason the mouse is so good is because it allows me to do everything.
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Because I can do a lot of that stuff with the keyboard and the mouse.
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But it's the idea of me putting it all in the one place, because it's the muscle memory,
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right, of having the buttons right in the palm of my hand that I can just click and
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it does all the stuff that I need and I think that they would struggle to move
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the current set of people that use pro apps like Logic and Final Cut to this
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type of experience because look at what happened when they turned
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Logic Pro 7 to Logic Pro 10 and how it went crazy right but it was the same app
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it's still on a Mac right they just changed a bunch of things that the app
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did imagine trying how different if you look at iPhoto right and how iPhoto was
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on iOS and how it was on the Mac. Imagine trying to turn an app like Logic or Final
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Cut into an iPad app. You could make a version of it. So like maybe this type of stuff is
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for the next generation of pros. But I think the current people that do this stuff, I think
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it'd be really difficult to move them away onto an iPad.
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I tend to agree with that Myke. I think there's a lot to be said for momentum when it comes
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to professionals you know you run into people who have used the same you know
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input devices for 10 years you know they're using the same display they had
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since college because you know they know every every dead pixel on it they don't
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ever do something new I think that's a real thing in this market but you know
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we're talking about this and I agree that these markets that people keep
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throwing out and that we have thrown out are you know not big enough to justify
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this thing's existence but I can't like if Apple announces this they're not
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gonna stand up I don't think and say this is for you know X this is for the
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the graphic designer this is for the the the artists is for you know the student
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I think they're gonna show those as examples of people using this sort of
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thing and then you know that's just gonna kind of be it'll be part of a
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keynote and then they'll move on. But you know I don't see iOS 9 as great as it is
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and as much as they're doing with things like document providers which of course
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they started in iOS 8 but finally sort of matters now and iCloud Drive and and
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all this stuff like I'm just about the work that we do just dealing with the
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files alone on iOS would be such a nightmare that you know Apple is not
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gonna come out with this device and then with software features to handle all
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that all at once. It's going to be, if this is the direction they're moving in, it's
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going to be slow and it's going to be thought out and considered because iOS
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is not just for this device. They can't, I don't think they could introduce
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something like logic touch or whatever and it have things in iOS that are built
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only for it like from the file system perspective or from the audio
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processing perspective so I don't think this is a magic bullet to fix or to fix
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the iPads problems or to give creatives you know something on equal footing with
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the Mac so hey you can use the Mac or you can use this I think there might be
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an opportunity to to augment what the Mac is doing but I don't see someone you
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know hanging up their Mac Pro and picking this thing up and continuing
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their work you know as is.
00:42:43
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Right let me take a break and then we might have some do we have more on this
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that we want to talk about?
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No, I mean it's, you know, just a rumor, so I feel like we gotta wait for some actual
00:42:57
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All right, let's take a break then and we'll talk about Fracture.
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I love Fracture and I think that you will love them too because they make something
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truly unique.
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or from the backup that you have or wherever it is you put your photos.
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It takes them out of that digital form locked away inside of your devices and gives you
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Fracture take these pictures.
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You go to fractureme.com, you upload them, you choose the size that you want, square
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There's a bunch of different sizes that you can choose of those shapes and they will send
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Fracture prints are very different to putting a picture in a frame.
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They just give the full picture is just it, right?
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so you can hang out on the wall or you can get a little stand as well if you want to
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they make your colors really pop in your images they bring them to life
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So Federico went away, and when Federico goes away, he basically turns his holiday into
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like a nature program?
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It's a research program for observing the social animals that are also called humans.
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So we always love to hear these stories that Federico has of real people, and we have some
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real people stories today?
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I spent quite a bit of time observing the humans and the normal during this vacation.
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And you know, especially going in two different locations, one populated mostly by Americans
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on vacation in Italy and the other mostly by locals.
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It was quite a mix of different communities.
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So it was a very interesting, it's actually a project because I created a note in the
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notes app and I took notes.
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I took what's called connected notes for vacation and because I really wanted to talk about
00:46:45
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I think that means you can write off your holiday as a business expense.
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I'm just going to put that out there.
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Talk to your accountant, America.
00:46:51
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Well, I got to talk to you and Steven, I guess.
00:46:57
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Anyway, the first thing that I immediately noticed is this was the summer of the selfie
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Everybody, like literally every group of friends had one.
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And there were selfie sticks everywhere.
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There were people taking selfies with a selfie stick.
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There were people into the sea, like into the water with a selfie stick and one of those
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protective waterproof cases for an iPhone or a Samsung phone.
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There were groups of like 10 people taking big group selfies with the selfie stick.
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There were couples with the selfie stick taking a selfie at maybe waiting at the restaurant,
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you know, at the table.
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They would just take a selfie stick out of a bag or a purse and just take a selfie for
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some reason.
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At one point, I saw someone using the selfie stick as a walking stick in Positano.
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I felt it was quite original as a use case for the Surface.
00:48:02
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Just get a walking stick if you need one.
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I mean, just get a walking stick and why would you use a Surface stick?
00:48:08
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Anyway, so besides the obvious Surface stick/iPhone or Galaxy phone combination, I also saw quite
00:48:18
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a few GoPro cameras mounted on the Surface stick.
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That was really interesting because I saw quite a few people, and especially in Positano,
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which is this beautiful town in the Amalfi Coast, where a lot of Americans go to.
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It must be quite popular in the United States as a destination in Italy.
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I mean, it is awesome.
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A few people were using their iPhones and Samsungs just normally as phones, but they
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They were using the selfie stick with the GoPro as a sort of detachable camera of sorts,
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used not just for selfies, I mean primarily for selfies, but also for general purpose
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pictures taken from a higher point of view maybe.
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That was interesting, you know, to use a separate camera on a selfie stick and then use the
00:49:10
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- because I saw them and I overheard them talking about this - there must be some kind
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wireless transfer between the GoPro and the iPhone I think. I don't know I'm not sure.
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Steven do you have a GoPro? I have access to one that my brother owns. They're great
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little cameras and you know what's nice about it is they have this like rugged case you
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can put them in so if you drop it or it gets rained on it's not going to be ruined. I don't
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want to hold my iPhone 6 plus at the end of a 6 foot little stick I bought and watch it
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tumble to the ground so maybe there's some device safety in there for some people.
00:49:49
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So the selfie stick has taken over Europe and the GoPro is quite popular as an addition
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to the selfie stick but primarily at least in Italy and at least in Positano which is
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I think it's pretty representative of you know the tourist aspect of Italy.
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There's selfie sticks everywhere like there's everyone has a selfie stick and when I went
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Did anybody in your group have one, Federica?
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Yes, because in Positano it was just me and Silvio, but when we went down there to Puglia,
00:50:23
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which is a region in the southern part of Italy, our group of friends had a selfie stick.
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And so I can testify that the selfie stick is popular among Americans and other Europeans
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visiting Italy, but also local Italian people have selfie sticks.
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It is super popular.
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What is your opinion of them?
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now you've used one as well as observing.
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- Yes, I believe from my front of view.
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I think you look silly when using a selfie stick
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and this could be the novelty effect.
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You look silly because you have a stick basically.
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You're using a stick to take pictures
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and it very much, it is noticeable.
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Other people look at you.
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- Yeah, 'cause you look crazy.
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You look crazy, you look... what are you doing?
00:51:17
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But I think the reason the selfie stick is so popular is people love to take group selfies.
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But it's not that people necessarily want to use the front facing camera in that sense
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of the selfie.
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In the age of the smartphone, I believe people don't want to hand their phone to someone
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else to take a group picture.
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Yeah, I think that's where a lot of this does stem from as well. I've been thinking about that.
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It used to be that you would have a camera or one of those disposable Kodak cameras, maybe.
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Go on vacation, you ask a passerby to take a picture of you, and take a picture and you receive
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the camera back. But with the smartphone, it's an expensive device. People don't, and there's so
00:52:04
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much information on this device, right? You get notification, you get phone calls, you have maybe
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Maybe a custom wallpaper.
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You know, there's all sorts of custom stuff on your device.
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And you don't want to give your smartphone to someone else, even just for a few seconds.
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So I believe that's the reason why the selfie stick, especially among groups of people,
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it's so popular.
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And it makes sense.
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You know, you look a bit stupid, maybe.
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And I definitely look stupid when using the selfie stick.
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But there's a reason why it's popular, and it's a very practical reason, I guess.
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And I mean, it makes sense.
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consider that perspective. I don't want to give my iPhone 6 Plus to someone else, even for just a few
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seconds, because what if someone else runs away with my phone? Am I gonna catch him?
00:52:49
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So my next, my follow-up question for this is do you or will you buy a selfie stick of your own?
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Do you own one already? For as much as this may shock you, I already own a selfie stick.
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Yeah, I figured. Did you buy it on this trip or had you bought it beforehand and you had to do it?
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Right before the trip, but not because I wanted to buy a selfie stick. I wanted to buy a tripod
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for the iPhone and I bought a set from Amazon. There was that thing to hold the iPhone up and
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there was three lenses and also a selfie stick inside. And it was a good price and I was like,
00:53:30
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"Maybe I'm not going to use the selfie stick all the time, but whatever, it's included,
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so I'm gonna buy everything. And I bet you used the selfie stick more than the tripod.
00:53:37
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No! What's even more ridiculous is that I forgot to bring my selfie stick.
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So yeah, I observed other people and then when we went down to Puglia, a friend of ours had
00:53:52
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her selfie stick, so we used that one. But yes, the selfie stick is very popular this year.
00:53:59
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The second note, this is a quick one, I didn't see anyone using Apple Music on their iPhones.
00:54:11
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This is especially for the second week of the trip, the second part.
00:54:16
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I have quite a few friends with the iPhone, but they're mostly using Spotify for music.
00:54:23
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They don't pay for Spotify, and even when I told them, you know, there's a free trial
00:54:28
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of Apple Music. They say they're fine with Spotify, they don't want to try Apple Music
00:54:33
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because they're afraid they're going to pay somehow eventually. I don't know if my friends
00:54:38
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are overly protective of their wallets or if maybe they don't have many needs. They're
00:54:45
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just fine with Spotify and the ads. And a common argument is that everyone I know uses
00:54:52
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Spotify so I use Spotify as well. That's... I guess that's strange from my perspective
00:54:59
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because I wanna try all of the new stuff from Apple. Of course I wanna try Apple Music because
00:55:05
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I'm curious but my friends, they're not as curious as me when it comes to software. I
00:55:10
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don't know whether I'm supposed to be sad about this, whether I'm supposed to change
00:55:14
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friends. I mean I don't wanna change friends just because they're not interested in software
00:55:19
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But it's a very much different perspective from us.
00:55:22
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We love to try new stuff, especially from Apple all the time.
00:55:26
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But these people, they're like, "Everyone I know uses these other things,
00:55:30
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so even if Apple has a new thing out and there's a free trial and I don't have to pay, I don't care."
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That was the basic argument.
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It was quite strange, but Spotify is popular in Italy.
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Do you know if they just hadn't seen it?
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No, no, they are familiar with Apple Music. They know what it is. They know about the free trial.
00:55:54
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They just don't care about starting one. I mean, this is the group of friends that I met on
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vacation. I have a couple of friends here in Rome. They are using the free trial of Apple Music,
00:56:05
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and I think they will start paying a subscription eventually. But these were other people I don't
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normally engage with, you know? So it was interesting to ask them about Apple Music.
00:56:17
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Sure. Before I talk about the other... this is super strange for me. Do you need to take a
00:56:25
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break, Myke? Yeah, let us take a break. We'll talk about Squarespace and then there's some peculiar
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things on the other side of this. Thank you so much to Squarespace for sponsoring today. You can
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Okay so there's this, I'm not sure what to call it, it's a ride sharing service. It's called
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blah blah car and it's apparently pretty popular in Italy. It lets you travel from one place to
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another with other people in the same car and you pay a very small fee. So basically it works in two
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ways. You can be a driver or you can be a passenger. If you're a driver, you're a private autonomous
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driver, you're not part of any organization, so it's not like Uber or these other taxi
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services. It's regular, normal people driving and going from one place to another.
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You're a driver, you can have a few people in your car, and you make your car available
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to others, and you basically establish a fee for the trip, and you let other people join
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you in your trip so everyone saves a bit of money because if you're a passenger
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you pay less than highway tolls and you know those kind of taxis. If you're a
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driver you can and in your car is empty anyway you can have a few people pay for
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the trip and you can use that money for maybe gas or highway tolls and everyone
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is happy because you don't have to travel alone you don't have to take the
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train you don't have to pay you know taxes for for the the organization here
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called Autostrada Italiane, which means Italian highways, and it's so popular.
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I had no idea this ride sharing. I am familiar with the idea of ride sharing,
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and I thought it was common in the United States and maybe in other countries in Europe.
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I just had no idea that this kind of service had taken off so much in Italy.
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I was talking to a friend, and he needed to go back to Rome.
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And I'm like, so are you driving?
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Are you taking the train?
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Are you going by plane?
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And he's like, no, no, no, I'm going with someone
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that I met on BlaBlaCar.
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And I'm like, where is BlaBlaCar?
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So he explains that you register a profile on BlaBlaCar.
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You can be a driver, you can be a passenger,
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and you start searching for the itinerary
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that you need to have.
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So you needed to go from Lecce,
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which is the biggest town in the area where I was,
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Search from Lecce to Rome and you find other people traveling there the same day
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You see what type of what type of car they have
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What kind of people they are because everyone has a profile and you have features on your profile such as
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Is he a talkative person? Does he like to talk much or is he a silent person?
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Or does he allow smokers in the car?
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So people do people write this about you like if you are a person who signed up?
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no, you describe yourself and you set the rules for your car and
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Also people then leave reviews for you and the way that you drive the way that you behave
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And and I looked at reviews and it's like for instance. I don't know Mario is such a nice driver
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We had fun. We talked about work
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Didn't didn't allow smokers in the car and he's driving is driving style
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is super relaxed and you know that you actually leave a review for someone
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driving and there's a star system I think and then you also receive feedback
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as a passenger so if you if maybe the driver doesn't want people to talk much
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and you mind your own business the driver leaves a positive review because
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you sat in the in the back seat and you listen to music all you know during the
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entire trip and my friend, he had like three to four trips using this service and another
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friend, she was the one with the selfie stick also, so she's very much on top of tech trends.
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She's on the trend.
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Yes, she often uses, like this was the, for like seven or eight times I think, she goes
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from Milan to Rome and vice versa all the time using BlaBlaCar. And it's so popular.
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I mean they claim to have over 20 million registered users and I'm not sure about these
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numbers, but everyone I talked to, especially among normal people, they were like "Come
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on, you don't know BlaBlaCar."
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I'd never heard of it, man. It's in the UK as well, I'd never heard of it.
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heard of it and now two points to be made here. I have a car and I'm always driving
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and I've never ever had a need for something like this. Also my friends are more adventurous
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than me when it comes to hanging out with people they don't know. I mean I would never
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have someone I don't know in my car for like a trip that lasts you know seven to eight
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hours because I don't trust people I don't know personally.
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I mean what if you have a crazy stalker in your car?
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But apparently it's very much a trusted service.
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My friends, they said never had anything wrong with it.
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One time I even had a trip with a couple of five people in the same car and one of them
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had a cat in a cage.
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That was very much interesting. But yes, this was very strange to me and I had to take many
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notes to understand how this works.
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It sounds like Lyft.
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L-Y-F-T, which is something that exists in America.
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Lyft is very similar to... Lyft is basically Uber though.
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Oh, I thought it was ride sharing.
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There's more ride sharing than Uber, but it's basically you still order a car, I believe.
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Looking at this website this seems pretty different.
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So it's got that part of it as like lifted, that it's regular people rather than like
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Uber drivers who are effectively taxis.
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But these people are taking you somewhere rather than they're going there too.
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The real question I have Federico is do they have a selfie stick policy?
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Can you selfie stick in the back seat?
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I don't know, but I know that they have of course a smoking policy and a music policy
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and a pet policy. I'm not sure about the the self-esteem policy. My friends thought, they all
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said that the nice consequence of using BlaBlaCar is that you get to meet new people. And both of my
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friends said we exchanged phone numbers and I got to know people that work in, you know, in offices
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and places that I may need eventually. So I'm keeping in touch with these people and I basically
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met new friends. And that was an interesting social aspect to ride sharing and one that I
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didn't really consider before. I mean, I'm still convinced that I would never have someone in my
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car or I would never ever use blah blah car myself. But if you feel if you like risk,
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basically, if you like to put your life in danger, and if you feel adventurous, I guess it's it's a
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a nice way to save a bit of money.
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Is it terrible that I hear that and I'm like, "I don't want to meet anyone else."
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Yeah, I don't want to meet anyone else either. I'm reading their trust and safety page on
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the UK site and they allow rating. So I guess if someone murders you, you don't give them
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a five star rating.
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One star for murder. So the thing about this though is like this actually, like I'm looking
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at this stuff and I feel like it conflicts with everything about my
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personality. That's the problem here like I understand that it's probably very
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good but there isn't a fiber of my body that wants to do this but I'm not you
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know that's me because I'm weird I think that people doing this is maybe more
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normal than than others but anyway. Last thing in your list here Federico is
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Apple watches. I just wanted to mention quickly I have seen three now Apple
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watches out in the world in London so that's that. Which is great I suppose.
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I'm still looking for my first Apple watch out in real life in the real world
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and I was hoping that in Positano I would get to see an Apple watch you know
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with all these Americans there's maybe a higher possibility of you know people
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being more aware of the latest Apple product because it came up before but no
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no no Apple watch for me and I was kinda I think for some people I looked a bit
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creepy because I was constantly looking at the wrist and I was just curious to
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see if they were wearing an Apple watch but no Apple watch I did also see people
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looking at my wrist looking at the Apple Watch me and Sylvia but I didn't see no
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more people with Apple Watches I see a lot of Casio watches you know the one
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with the little display I think it's back in fashion yeah they're cool they're
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retro you know yeah yeah yeah but no no Apple Watch yet so
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Stephen have you seen any? A couple you know I think I probably have a better
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likelihood because the only people I hang out with in her life anymore are
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nerds but even couple people at metal job had them you know we had a developer
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had one had a designer who had one we actually had a designer who won hers
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through some sort of thing like it was some design contest or something and she
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like she won an Apple watch was kind of crazy but like going to the supermarket
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or something you know I might see one every now and again but I definitely
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have the sensation that you had Federico where you notice people looking at yours
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especially I get especially like if I'm paying for something or like I'm at a
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counter like you know like where my hands are out and you know usually
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somebody will kind of glance at it but uh it's definitely not every day or on
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any regular basis it still seems really hit or miss even to me mm-hmm yeah I
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I mean Sylvia said that she was hoping to see an Apple Watch out in the real world and
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she asked me, "Is the Apple Watch selling well?"
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Because I don't see any Apple Watches.
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And that's a legitimate question, I guess, especially because we expect this sort of
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crazy popularity from Apple after the iPhone and the iPad.
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We expect to see a lot of Apple Watches, but instead we're not seeing a crazy adoption,
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hundreds of millions of units sold in a couple of months.
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That's not just because it's not possible, but because it's a new product and people
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are still not sure what to make of it.
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And every time someone has the confidence to ask me about the Apple Watch, they're like,
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is it, what do you use it for?
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Is it useless?
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Is it just a nice thing to have?
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And so there's quite a bit of explanation that Apple still has to make to help normal
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people, most people, you know, non-tech bloggers or broadcasters, I feel that's proper label,
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to help them understand the Apple Watch.
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Because every time, especially people my age, they're like, "Is it nice?
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Is it useless?"
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Two questions always go together.
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And useless not in the sense that you're wasting money, but in the sense that it's not as essential
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as an iPhone.
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I feel they're asking.
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And you know, it's a first generation product and I guess it makes sense.
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Yeah, yeah, I get it.
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I don't know how prolific it's gonna get.
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In all honesty, I can't think about that right now.
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I can't see it being like a mass adoption thing, but I don't know, it's how the original
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It was rare.
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and you never know how these things are gonna go over time. We'll see. I mean there's definitely
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places I'm sure that the watch can go to become more of a pivotal device for people and more of
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a required thing you know but I don't think it's there right now. Even for many of the people that
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currently already own one. Just a nice to have. Right I think that about wraps up this week.
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Federico do you have any more observations of the world? I don't think so. I mean selfie sticks,
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Apple Music, Apple Watch and BlaBlaCar.
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I think that's the main…
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Thumbs up your trip, really.
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What I remember really is the selfie stick everywhere.
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I'm kind of haunted by the selfie stick, but yes, those are my highlights.
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BlaBlaCar has left, I think, the longest lasting impact on me of all the topics.
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Maybe you should try BlaBlaCar, especially because you don't have a driving license.
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I'll just take an Uber, that's perfectly fine for me.
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Why would you give up on the thrill of putting your life in danger and hopping on a stranger's car?
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I put my life in danger enough every time I get in a car. I don't need any additional fear.
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Maybe you should come to London and we'll get one together, how about that?
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You also... okay, okay, we're gonna do the blah blah car thing together.
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- Yeah, we'll do it the blah blah cast, how about that?
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- It's like two podcasters in a blah blah car getting coffee.
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But if anything goes wrong,
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I'm going to the Italian embassy in London.
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- We'll live stream it so people can hear us.
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- We'll do a periscope from the embassy and we'll see.
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I think that wraps up this week if you want to catch our show notes head on over to relay.fm/connected/54
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if you want to find us online we are all on twitter, Federico is @Vitiicci, Stephen is
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@ismh and I am @imike, I M Y K E if you'd like to find Federico elsewhere he's over
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at maxstories.net and he is also the host along with myself, Virtua on Relay FM where
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we talk about video games. If you'd like to find Stephen online he is also at fire12pixels.net
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and is the host of Liftoff of Jason Snow where they talk about space.
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And I am the host of many other shows on Relay FM,
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Until then, say goodbye, guys.
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Arrivederci. Adios.