Connected

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00:00:07 ◼   ► From Relay FM, this is Connected, episode number 55.

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00:00:21 ◼   ► My name is Myke Hurley and I'm joined by Mr. Steven Hackett.

00:00:24 ◼   ► Hello, Mr. Hackett.

00:00:25 ◼   ► Hello, Mr. Hurley.

00:00:27 ◼   ► And Mr. Federico Vadicci.

00:00:29 ◼   ► Hello Mr. Hackett and Hurley.

00:00:32 ◼   ► Hello Federico, how are you today?

00:00:34 ◼   ► I'm doing well, how are you?

00:00:36 ◼   ► I'm good, I'm excited about the show.

00:00:38 ◼   ► We've got an action packed full lineup for the episode today.

00:00:43 ◼   ► I am back in the room of the Roomba.

00:00:46 ◼   ► Uh oh.

00:00:47 ◼   ► Yeah, it's right here underneath my desk.

00:00:51 ◼   ► What did you do to him last time?

00:00:53 ◼   ► Turned him on.

00:00:54 ◼   ► I poked him and he made a noise.

00:00:59 ◼   ► Now it's resting and there's a green light.

00:01:01 ◼   ► I'm not touching it.

00:01:02 ◼   ► No touching.

00:01:03 ◼   ► You know?

00:01:04 ◼   ► I think what you need to do is set your iPhone up on it and then just periscope it driving

00:01:08 ◼   ► around the house.

00:01:09 ◼   ► Okay, hold on.

00:01:10 ◼   ► That's in Parks and Rec, right?

00:01:12 ◼   ► Where they put the little DJ Roomba.

00:01:14 ◼   ► Yeah, DJ Roomba.

00:01:16 ◼   ► Yeah, they put like a jam box something on it and it just plays music from an iPod.

00:01:22 ◼   ► No, wow.

00:01:23 ◼   ► That's a great show.

00:01:24 ◼   ► Yeah, I love that show.

00:01:25 ◼   ► If you haven't seen Parks and Rec, watch Parks and Rec.

00:01:28 ◼   ► Do it.

00:01:29 ◼   ► - It has a very satisfying conclusion.

00:01:31 ◼   ► - Yep.

00:01:32 ◼   ► - Very satisfying.

00:01:33 ◼   ► - How many seasons can I watch?

00:01:35 ◼   ► - Seven.

00:01:36 ◼   ► - Seven?

00:01:37 ◼   ► - Okay, I like to watch shows

00:01:40 ◼   ► that give me quite a bit of episodes.

00:01:42 ◼   ► - Oh this--

00:01:43 ◼   ► - So it's not like I'm starting a new show,

00:01:44 ◼   ► I get all emotional and attached to it,

00:01:46 ◼   ► and then like after two seasons it's over.

00:01:48 ◼   ► So you know, seven seasons it's a good number.

00:01:52 ◼   ► - Seven seasons, there isn't a bad season in my opinion.

00:01:55 ◼   ► It is excellent throughout.

00:01:58 ◼   ► So, watch it. You've got the whole thing and it's got a satisfying end.

00:02:03 ◼   ► It's true.

00:02:04 ◼   ► I'm terrified of the titles already.

00:02:07 ◼   ► Me too. So it's connected. And I for one am glad that we're now in September. August is

00:02:14 ◼   ► such a slow month in this industry.

00:02:16 ◼   ► Are you glad?

00:02:17 ◼   ► I mean, I have a lot of work to do. I was looking at my OmniFocus today and it's like

00:02:22 ◼   ► like, just a disaster. But stuff's happening. We're going to talk about some Apple TV stuff

00:02:28 ◼   ► today, talk about what's coming. The next couple of weeks are going to be very busy

00:02:31 ◼   ► and I for one welcome our new busyness overlords.

00:02:35 ◼   ► >> Do you?

00:02:37 ◼   ► >> How you doing, buddy? You sound defeated.

00:02:40 ◼   ► >> Oh my God, I'm so, I don't know how I'm feeling. Like, I think I'm exhausted, but

00:02:46 ◼   ► I'm also kind of twitchy and energetic because I got to finish all of this. It's probably

00:02:51 ◼   ► much caffeine in my body since, you know, it's been a stressful couple of weeks, you

00:02:56 ◼   ► know, and I don't know what I'm thinking or feeling anymore. I'm like a robot and all

00:03:02 ◼   ► I can do is type and, you know, I don't know. I don't know.

00:03:07 ◼   ► You're a typing robot. You're like Mavis Beacon.

00:03:11 ◼   ► I'm like who? Never mind, Federica.

00:03:14 ◼   ► That's one of your sci-fi references, isn't it?

00:03:16 ◼   ► Sure, sure. We'll go with that. A sci-fi reference.

00:03:20 ◼   ► always do that kind of stuff. Like superheroes and all these other things that I don't understand

00:03:26 ◼   ► like pants or US politics.

00:03:30 ◼   ► I know nothing about US politics.

00:03:33 ◼   ► You somewhat know about US politics. You drop the occasional US politics material.

00:03:41 ◼   ► Maybe Speacons in Star Wars.

00:03:43 ◼   ► Oh yeah, that, that, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just…

00:03:48 ◼   ► I'm trolling you man. That's terrible. That's terrible, Myke.

00:03:52 ◼   ► Mavis Beacon is an app, it's like a program, a PC program to help you learn how to type.

00:04:00 ◼   ► A PC what?

00:04:02 ◼   ► Yeah, it's a program. You know before they were called apps,

00:04:05 ◼   ► they were called programs or software that teaches you how to type. That's what Mavis Beacon is.

00:04:10 ◼   ► Are you still trolling me?

00:04:12 ◼   ► I'm gonna put a chat in the IRC for you to see.

00:04:15 ◼   ► - Mavis Beacon.

00:04:17 ◼   ► - Teach his typing.

00:04:18 ◼   ► - This is the weirdest intro to a show.

00:04:20 ◼   ► - Please, please, not the follow up.

00:04:23 ◼   ► - This is like Encarta, the Microsoft, you know,

00:04:27 ◼   ► Wikipedia thing, I don't know.

00:04:30 ◼   ► It's an application software program.

00:04:32 ◼   ► Geez, so many words.

00:04:34 ◼   ► Anyway. (laughs)

00:04:37 ◼   ► - Follow up? - Yes.

00:04:38 ◼   ► - Please. - Yes, please.

00:04:40 ◼   ► - Listener Andrew wants to know,

00:04:42 ◼   ► Michael, have you tried BetterTouchTool?

00:04:46 ◼   ► - No.

00:04:47 ◼   ► People,

00:04:49 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:04:50 ◼   ► I wanted the answer.

00:04:52 ◼   ► People have suggested BetterTouchTool for me

00:04:54 ◼   ► for other things in the past.

00:04:55 ◼   ► As I get older,

00:04:58 ◼   ► - That's like 23.

00:05:01 ◼   ► - Apps like BetterTouchTool make me more nervous.

00:05:06 ◼   ► You know, this is an app that is doing stuff

00:05:09 ◼   ► that probably shouldn't be done.

00:05:12 ◼   ► And these things make me nervous now.

00:05:14 ◼   ► As I use my computers to generate my income solely,

00:05:19 ◼   ► I try not to tinker with them too much.

00:05:22 ◼   ► And I know what BetterTouchTool could do for me

00:05:24 ◼   ► now that I know it could actually be,

00:05:25 ◼   ► because I just thought it was just for the trackpad.

00:05:27 ◼   ► I didn't know you could also assign keyboard stuff

00:05:29 ◼   ► and mouse clicks and things like that.

00:05:31 ◼   ► I mean, it's there and I'm sure the store offer could do

00:05:34 ◼   ► and you could do application specific things,

00:05:36 ◼   ► but I don't really need application specific things

00:05:39 ◼   ► because the shortcuts that I have set up

00:05:41 ◼   ► work pretty well everywhere, so it works for me.

00:05:44 ◼   ► I understand why someone would suggest this.

00:05:46 ◼   ► Maybe this is something that people could suggest

00:05:48 ◼   ► if they, you know, they could use it

00:05:49 ◼   ► if they don't want the amazing Logitech MX Master Mouse

00:05:52 ◼   ► that I have now and love so dearly.

00:05:55 ◼   ► But if, you know, if you don't wanna get one of those things

00:05:58 ◼   ► look at Better Touch Tool, but be warned,

00:06:01 ◼   ► it may eat your computer from the inside.

00:06:03 ◼   ► - I feel sort of the same way.

00:06:06 ◼   ► And I used to run a lot more sort of stuff that did this,

00:06:11 ◼   ► right, that's like doing low level things.

00:06:13 ◼   ► And I don't, I have not really tried

00:06:16 ◼   ► baretouch tool in a long time.

00:06:17 ◼   ► But I do have to say that I did order,

00:06:20 ◼   ► after hearing you talk about it,

00:06:21 ◼   ► and talking about Uncortex,

00:06:23 ◼   ► ordered the Logitech Master, is that what it's called?

00:06:27 ◼   ► - That Logitech MX Master.

00:06:28 ◼   ► I think a lot of people have done that.

00:06:31 ◼   ► Having heard me speak about it

00:06:32 ◼   ► on like three different shows for a week.

00:06:35 ◼   ► but it really is an incredible thing.

00:06:38 ◼   ► - So I've got one in the mail, in the post.

00:06:42 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:06:43 ◼   ► - In the UPS truck.

00:06:44 ◼   ► So I'm looking forward to trying it

00:06:47 ◼   ► 'cause I have the same Logitech Performance MX that you had.

00:06:50 ◼   ► You and I are the same mouse and you seem

00:06:52 ◼   ► like you like this one so I'm gonna give it a shot.

00:06:56 ◼   ► - Do it.

00:06:57 ◼   ► - We have some follow up also about the iPad Pro.

00:07:00 ◼   ► We had a bunch of people write in and tweet

00:07:02 ◼   ► different possible users for the iPad Pro. You know we spoke about about

00:07:07 ◼   ► designers and artists and this feedback sort of settled into three categories so

00:07:12 ◼   ► you can have like enterprise-y office people, people doing paperwork, doing a

00:07:17 ◼   ► lot of documents that may be a nicer iPad. Especially with a stylus would make

00:07:20 ◼   ► things like data entry more possible. Sales reps which I think is sort of the

00:07:26 ◼   ► same type of use where you can you can work with things like Salesforce out in

00:07:31 ◼   ► the field and then one that I can't believe we didn't think of the medical

00:07:35 ◼   ► profession of doctors and nurses and actually have a story about this I have

00:07:39 ◼   ► a good friend of mine who is physically finishing up his residency and when he

00:07:45 ◼   ► started it basically everyone was given an iPad mini that was hooked up to the

00:07:50 ◼   ► hospital's medical record system so they could be you know with a patient and

00:07:56 ◼   ► the iPad they did the iPad mini because it fit in their coat pockets like the

00:07:59 ◼   ► white doctor coats and so they could slide in their pocket and pull it out

00:08:02 ◼   ► and they could look at scans just with a patient and go over medication and have

00:08:07 ◼   ► it all basically right you know right with them all the time and because it

00:08:11 ◼   ► was hooked up to the like the overall system it was always up to date so they

00:08:16 ◼   ► could check in with things and see what other patients were doing and his

00:08:19 ◼   ► experience with it was very positive and he's really spoke highly about that not

00:08:25 ◼   ► only the connection that it gave you because you could do that on a laptop

00:08:28 ◼   ► but in a way that you could sort of share the device with a patient if

00:08:31 ◼   ► you're looking at something and I think this is a really powerful thing I think

00:08:34 ◼   ► you know an iPad Pro obviously would lose some of the portability especially

00:08:38 ◼   ► of the mini but if you're looking at scans with somebody or looking at you

00:08:41 ◼   ► know imagery having something bigger that you can sit kind of next to

00:08:45 ◼   ► somebody on a bed and look at it with them I think is a really really powerful

00:08:48 ◼   ► thing yeah what do you guys think they I mean the enterprise stuff the business

00:08:55 ◼   ► stuff makes sense. I think I mentioned about working in advertising and

00:08:59 ◼   ► like sales, so like you know people in advertising and how I started to see

00:09:05 ◼   ► surfaces everywhere, but the doctors and nurses stuff is something I never would

00:09:10 ◼   ► have thought of on my own and I think that's a really interesting use. I think

00:09:13 ◼   ► it's just that those are the types of things that you can start to do when you

00:09:18 ◼   ► have a product that starts to bridge the gap a little bit more, you know? Like it's

00:09:24 ◼   ► still an iPad so it has all the benefits of an iPad but with a bigger screen and

00:09:28 ◼   ► potentially a lot more horsepower even more incredible. I mean you always see

00:09:32 ◼   ► these like medical apps right? You imagine like with more RAM and all that and just

00:09:37 ◼   ► like more just in general like more horsepower how incredible that stuff

00:09:40 ◼   ► could be like the 3D visualizing stuff of the human body and all that kind of

00:09:45 ◼   ► coolness and having like a little pen on there so people could take notes just

00:09:48 ◼   ► patron notes and go up to the central computer like that sort of stuff just

00:09:53 ◼   ► seems even better with a device like this, I guess.

00:09:57 ◼   ► The only thing that worries me is for professions that depend on portability of the iPad.

00:10:05 ◼   ► So if the iPad Pro really is almost a 13-inch device, carrying it around probably isn't

00:10:13 ◼   ► as easy as an iPad Mini.

00:10:15 ◼   ► As you mentioned, Steven, doctors using an iPad Mini because it fits in their pockets.

00:10:19 ◼   ► I wonder if the same can be true with an iPad Pro.

00:10:22 ◼   ► more comfortable when you sit down so you know two people can look at the screen and

00:10:27 ◼   ► I imagine you know even the split view on the iPad Pro if you wanna you know in the

00:10:31 ◼   ► case of a doctor and a patient you can put up a scan on the left side of the screen and

00:10:37 ◼   ► maybe an explanation or some notes on the right side and in that case an iPad Pro for

00:10:42 ◼   ► collaboration and sitting down is better but what about you know walking around with an

00:10:47 ◼   ► iPad Pro because it feels like you know it's a big screen.

00:10:50 ◼   ► So my primary concern is how is Apple going to pitch the portable factor of the device.

00:10:59 ◼   ► That's so important for the iPad mini and the iPad Air.

00:11:03 ◼   ► I'm curious.

00:11:04 ◼   ► Maybe it's not a problem.

00:11:05 ◼   ► Maybe it's so light you don't even notice it's a 13-inch device.

00:11:08 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:11:09 ◼   ► Maybe they'll make a lanyard.

00:11:12 ◼   ► Maybe.

00:11:13 ◼   ► Like the iPad shuffle?

00:11:14 ◼   ► Yep, or the Nano or whatever.

00:11:16 ◼   ► Maybe they can put some wheels underneath and you can use it as a skateboard.

00:11:19 ◼   ► - Oh, I like you.

00:11:21 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:11:22 ◼   ► - I think the Roomba's getting to you.

00:11:23 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:11:26 ◼   ► Well, we, as you might imagine,

00:11:28 ◼   ► we also have some follow-up about BlaBlaCar,

00:11:30 ◼   ► which we spoke-- - Of course we do.

00:11:32 ◼   ► - Last week, which Federico discovered in his vacation

00:11:36 ◼   ► being a ride-sharing service.

00:11:38 ◼   ► Sort of, not so much the Uber model, but based around,

00:11:40 ◼   ► hey, I need to go to this city on this day.

00:11:43 ◼   ► Who else needs to go?

00:11:44 ◼   ► And sort of figuring out from there.

00:11:46 ◼   ► A couple tweets I wanted to call out.

00:11:49 ◼   ► The first one talking about the service being big in France and Europe and how they're already

00:11:56 ◼   ► expanding in Latin America and Asia, which is pretty cool.

00:11:59 ◼   ► It's from...

00:12:00 ◼   ► - Thibaut.

00:12:01 ◼   ► - Mm-hmm.

00:12:02 ◼   ► - Your French game, Myke, is on top.

00:12:07 ◼   ► - I like that Steven didn't understand even what I'm saying.

00:12:11 ◼   ► - No, he just sat there, like blank stare for two seconds, and he was like, "Mm-hmm."

00:12:18 ◼   ► I was trying to help you.

00:12:20 ◼   ► - I appreciate that.

00:12:21 ◼   ► Please, fix it in post.

00:12:23 ◼   ► And Jeff tweets, says, "Just be careful with car sharing

00:12:29 ◼   ► "in the UK, you may invalidate your insurance

00:12:31 ◼   ► "by receiving payment from passengers."

00:12:34 ◼   ► - But it's not like Myke knows.

00:12:36 ◼   ► Nothing about cars.

00:12:38 ◼   ► - Or has a car or a driving license.

00:12:40 ◼   ► - Or an insurance for cars.

00:12:43 ◼   ► - But that is interesting, 'cause here in the States,

00:12:48 ◼   ► Uber is facing, Uber and Lyft are facing issues

00:12:51 ◼   ► moving into cities and like the whole like personal vehicle

00:12:56 ◼   ► uses a cab type laws.

00:12:58 ◼   ► It's been a big thing here in Memphis where the city

00:13:01 ◼   ► basically told Uber and Lyft to stop operating

00:13:04 ◼   ► but then they sort of ignored that and are still operating.

00:13:07 ◼   ► It's sort of that same idea like if you're using

00:13:10 ◼   ► a personal vehicle for non-personal vehicle type things

00:13:14 ◼   ► like where does that fall?

00:13:15 ◼   ► And so I didn't even think about insurance

00:13:17 ◼   ► and we were talking about it,

00:13:18 ◼   ► but I could see that being a factor there

00:13:19 ◼   ► where you got a bunch of people in your car

00:13:21 ◼   ► who wouldn't be there otherwise,

00:13:23 ◼   ► you know what happens if something terrible happens.

00:13:27 ◼   ► - Well, what if you say they are your friends

00:13:29 ◼   ► and you lie about using blah blah car?

00:13:32 ◼   ► That's what I would do.

00:13:35 ◼   ► - I think that would be insurance fraud for one.

00:13:38 ◼   ► - That's what that is.

00:13:39 ◼   ► - So Federica's going to jail.

00:13:41 ◼   ► - No, no, no, I'm not using blah blah car.

00:13:44 ◼   ► Not even touching it, but you know.

00:13:45 ◼   ► What about blah blah Roomba?

00:13:48 ◼   ► So you could, hey could you bring your Roomba to my house?

00:13:52 ◼   ► - What about blah blah room?

00:13:54 ◼   ► And you just, you know guys I got a house,

00:13:56 ◼   ► wanna come over?

00:13:58 ◼   ► - That's--

00:13:59 ◼   ► - That's probably the setup for, you know,

00:14:02 ◼   ► a crazy killer or stalker, you know?

00:14:04 ◼   ► - I think that's Airbnb, man.

00:14:06 ◼   ► - That's not how it works because you leave your house

00:14:11 ◼   ► to someone else.

00:14:13 ◼   ► - No, you can be in it.

00:14:15 ◼   ► - You can be any, really?

00:14:16 ◼   ► Never happened to me.

00:14:17 ◼   ► - You can do Airbnb with just a room.

00:14:20 ◼   ► - Oh.

00:14:20 ◼   ► - Yeah.

00:14:22 ◼   ► - I don't know.

00:14:22 ◼   ► I didn't know that.

00:14:23 ◼   ► See?

00:14:24 ◼   ► I accidentally invented a business that already exists.

00:14:28 ◼   ► Should be a video.

00:14:30 ◼   ► - It's the best kind of invention, really.

00:14:31 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:14:32 ◼   ► - I wanted to point out quickly,

00:14:35 ◼   ► we talked about this this time last year,

00:14:38 ◼   ► but something that's close to my heart

00:14:40 ◼   ► is Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.

00:14:43 ◼   ► that is the month of September. So we have a link in the show notes to a page on my

00:14:47 ◼   ► site where I talk a little bit about that. I've once again donated my RSS

00:14:52 ◼   ► sponsorship to raise money for St. Jude this year and as of my sentence right

00:14:57 ◼   ► now we're about $2,600 raised already from the beginning of the month which is

00:15:01 ◼   ► just super awesome so it would be really cool if you go check that out and donate

00:15:06 ◼   ► if you like, it'd be much appreciated.

00:15:11 ◼   ► So yeah, it'd be really cool.

00:15:14 ◼   ► - Please do that. Where can they go for that?

00:15:15 ◼   ► Give them the URL as well as the show notes.

00:15:19 ◼   ► - You can find the link on my site,

00:15:20 ◼   ► 512pixels.net/september.

00:15:24 ◼   ► And I talk about there and there's a big link

00:15:27 ◼   ► over to the St. Jude website

00:15:28 ◼   ► because the URL they give you is atrocious.

00:15:30 ◼   ► - Yeah, you can't do nothing with this.

00:15:32 ◼   ► - No.

00:15:33 ◼   ► I'm gonna donate some more money to you right now.

00:15:37 ◼   ► - Well it's not to me.

00:15:38 ◼   ► - Well I know it's not to you.

00:15:39 ◼   ► It's two cent dude via you.

00:15:42 ◼   ► - Yes, I appreciate that.

00:15:43 ◼   ► I'm running the 5K this year, so I've never,

00:15:46 ◼   ► they do a marathon, I have a marathon in 5K every year.

00:15:49 ◼   ► I've always just been a spectator.

00:15:51 ◼   ► And this year I'm going to run the 5K,

00:15:53 ◼   ► which I've never done before,

00:15:54 ◼   ► so I'm doing the couch to 5K thing.

00:15:57 ◼   ► There's some really great apps out for that,

00:15:58 ◼   ► which I wanna talk about with you guys at some point.

00:16:01 ◼   ► But, so it's fun to be using some iPhone apps

00:16:04 ◼   ► to help make this run be something

00:16:06 ◼   ► that won't kill me in December.

00:16:08 ◼   ► - I have to say, when I saw the email come through,

00:16:13 ◼   ► like where you first were speaking about this,

00:16:16 ◼   ► I was very surprised to see that it said

00:16:18 ◼   ► that you were gonna run.

00:16:20 ◼   ► And I had been meaning to bring it up with you,

00:16:22 ◼   ► but haven't yet.

00:16:23 ◼   ► And so that's interesting to me,

00:16:26 ◼   ► 'cause I didn't know that you did that.

00:16:28 ◼   ► - I really don't like running.

00:16:31 ◼   ► - No, no.

00:16:32 ◼   ► - But I wanna do it with my wife, Mary,

00:16:35 ◼   ► runs it every year.

00:16:36 ◼   ► She's in the half marathon, she's into the 5K this year,

00:16:38 ◼   ► and so we're gonna do it together.

00:16:40 ◼   ► And it's gonna, so far training is not very pleasant.

00:16:44 ◼   ► So, hopefully it gets better, I've heard it gets better,

00:16:47 ◼   ► so we'll see.

00:16:48 ◼   ► - So donate.

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00:19:41 ◼   ► So we have and running up to the fall Apple event which is just a couple weeks

00:19:49 ◼   ► away we have some some interesting stuff but this time of the year is always fun

00:19:54 ◼   ► because companies like swoop in and make announcements right before other

00:19:57 ◼   ► companies do. We had a little bit of that this week with Android Wear. Google

00:20:03 ◼   ► announced yesterday that it is coming to iOS which is has been rumored but seems

00:20:09 ◼   ► like it's it's here now. Do you guys read about this thing? I did and I from

00:20:14 ◼   ► reading Google's blog didn't really get much from it so I also watched a video

00:20:19 ◼   ► that Dieter Bohn put together on The Verge which I'll also include in the

00:20:22 ◼   ► show notes which helped shine a little bit more light on what's going on here. I

00:20:26 ◼   ► would say I can see the new Google logo. Does everybody like the new Google logo?

00:20:30 ◼   ► Yes I do. Looks good right? It's fun. I feel like it's a nice refreshment. It

00:20:37 ◼   ► fits along with the Alphabet brand, the overall big brand that they've got for

00:20:40 ◼   ► alphabet and it's about time I think. When you look at it I'm like yes that

00:20:44 ◼   ► looks like 2015 the old Google logo looks like 10 years ago and I like that

00:20:49 ◼   ► they've also got it on the page you know the G which is what they're gonna use on

00:20:52 ◼   ► mobile so that's like their main logo now really the multi-coloured G. I think

00:20:57 ◼   ► it looks really sweet I think it's a nice little nice little thing. As usual

00:21:00 ◼   ► people really get really upset and snarky about these sorts of things but I

00:21:03 ◼   ► just wanted to shine a bit of happiness upon this logo because I like it. But

00:21:07 ◼   ► anyway so from what I've been able to understand from this it seems like

00:21:12 ◼   ► Android Wear is like halfway between a pebble and an Apple watch like it does

00:21:21 ◼   ► more than the pebble can do but is restrained in some similar ways that the

00:21:26 ◼   ► pebble is but is able to talk to Google's apps and services to provide a

00:21:31 ◼   ► bit more plus it can seem to be able to do a lot more just on the watch itself

00:21:36 ◼   ► then the Pebble can do. So it seems like that there is a bit of a mishmash here.

00:21:43 ◼   ► I don't really know why Google have done this. Like you look at these kinds of

00:21:47 ◼   ► things and it feels a little bit like Apple wouldn't do this. Why has

00:21:53 ◼   ► Google felt the need to do this? Like how many people are gonna buy an Android

00:21:58 ◼   ► like are gonna own an iPhone and buy an Android Wear Watch? Like why would you do

00:22:06 ◼   ► that I don't understand. It feels like they want to make the life of tech

00:22:10 ◼   ► bloggers easier you know there's literally no real person who would buy an

00:22:15 ◼   ► iPhone and an Android Wear smartwatch. Like their reasoning for it which I

00:22:21 ◼   ► understand a bit I suppose in that and it's true there are more styles right so

00:22:27 ◼   ► if you don't like if you don't like rectangular watches and you want a

00:22:32 ◼   ► circular watch right you can get one or you want one with a different material

00:22:36 ◼   ► or just a different design in overall you can get that but it I don't know and

00:22:43 ◼   ► they're cheaper I suppose right in some instances so that might be a thing but

00:22:47 ◼   ► it feels like a real like stretch to assume that this is gonna make a big

00:22:52 ◼   ► impact like if if Android wear is so good like if Google saying that

00:22:57 ◼   ► everywhere is really so good make it a reason people buy Android phones like

00:23:01 ◼   ► don't, my feeling anyways, don't put these devices here when they're like they

00:23:06 ◼   ► they're always gonna feel hobbled and people will blame Google right?

00:23:11 ◼   ► It's not Google's fault. So it's like it feels like an interesting thing. So

00:23:16 ◼   ► should we run through some of what it can do? So it can get your notifications.

00:23:19 ◼   ► Google's doing some stuff to respect iOS notification settings. Like they'll give

00:23:24 ◼   ► you a notification, they'll show it to you but it won't buzz if it doesn't buzz

00:23:28 ◼   ► on your phone for example. They have Google Now built in and it has like this

00:23:32 ◼   ► really weird on in the watch web browser to give the results because it can't do

00:23:37 ◼   ► it otherwise. It's not like with the way that it works on Android where it like

00:23:41 ◼   ► there's a difference there but I'm not sure what it is but it's doing something

00:23:45 ◼   ► strange of a little web browser. It can do like the voice search of Google Now

00:23:50 ◼   ► the cards of Google Now, fitness tracking, there are no third-party Android Wear

00:23:56 ◼   ► apps yet I feel like this will probably come later because there would have to be something

00:24:00 ◼   ► slightly different and it has as I mentioned earlier a real better tie in with Google's

00:24:07 ◼   ► apps so probably better than maybe the Apple Watch Google Watch app.

00:24:14 ◼   ► Hang on let me say that again.

00:24:16 ◼   ► The Google apps on Apple Watch will probably ever have as well.

00:24:19 ◼   ► I reckon that even with the hobbled functionality that the Android Wear stuff can have, I would

00:24:27 ◼   ► expect that Android Wear Google Apps will probably always be better because it's just

00:24:31 ◼   ► the way they built them, right?

00:24:33 ◼   ► They've been built around the idea of the material design and all that sort of stuff.

00:24:36 ◼   ► So if you are an all-in on Google person, this seems like an interesting idea, but it

00:24:42 ◼   ► kind of feels like outside of the Google ecosystem, there maybe isn't so much there for you.

00:24:48 ◼   ► Yeah I think I think all that's all that's accurate you know the there's

00:24:56 ◼   ► benefits to using a bunch of Google apps on your phone because they all can sort

00:25:02 ◼   ► of talk to each other and if you sign in to the Gmail app then the Google Drive

00:25:06 ◼   ► app knows about that account that sort of thing and and the Android aware is

00:25:10 ◼   ► taking advantage of some of that so if you have replaced a lot of first-party

00:25:14 ◼   ► apps with Google apps then this works better but if you're using a bunch of

00:25:18 ◼   ► first party apps or non-Google apps,

00:25:21 ◼   ► strapping this thing to your wrist is gonna be less useful.

00:25:24 ◼   ► So they're really trying to target the people

00:25:27 ◼   ► who are using iOS but are super into Google stuff.

00:25:31 ◼   ► And I know those people exist,

00:25:33 ◼   ► but it doesn't seem like a very big market to me,

00:25:37 ◼   ► relatively speaking.

00:25:39 ◼   ► So I do, I agree with you, Myke.

00:25:40 ◼   ► I do sort of wonder what this is about, to a degree.

00:25:43 ◼   ► - I would argue that if you have an iPhone

00:25:47 ◼   ► and you're into Google Apps and services.

00:25:50 ◼   ► I am into some of those.

00:25:52 ◼   ► And I would argue that you would still get a better experience

00:25:55 ◼   ► if you're looking for a smartwatch with an Apple Watch.

00:25:59 ◼   ► Once Google starts making Apple Watch apps,

00:26:01 ◼   ► and you've got to believe that they're going to have some,

00:26:04 ◼   ► especially with watchOS 2, you'd still

00:26:07 ◼   ► get a better Google experience with a native watchOS app

00:26:10 ◼   ► from Google than with this kind of work-around

00:26:15 ◼   ► with the Android Wear and an iPhone.

00:26:18 ◼   ► So I really don't understand.

00:26:20 ◼   ► It would make much more sense if Google really just wants

00:26:23 ◼   ► data from iPhone users who are looking for a smartwatch,

00:26:27 ◼   ► they should start making watchOS 2 apps.

00:26:30 ◼   ► That's just-- especially now that they can access sensors,

00:26:34 ◼   ► at least in a limited fashion, they're

00:26:36 ◼   ► not going to be able to have the kind of integration

00:26:38 ◼   ► that Apple has with the Apple Watch hardware.

00:26:41 ◼   ► But they don't have the same integration on the iPhone.

00:26:44 ◼   ► So that didn't stop them from making iPhone and iPad apps.

00:26:49 ◼   ► And I think it would be better and more practically useful

00:26:53 ◼   ► for them to start making native Apple Watch apps.

00:26:56 ◼   ► I really don't see the point of this kind of hack.

00:27:00 ◼   ► - It's an interesting move.

00:27:05 ◼   ► Again, I don't think either of us,

00:27:08 ◼   ► any of us really understand the reasoning for it.

00:27:12 ◼   ► I see what you're saying,

00:27:13 ◼   ► But like I feel like that Google had the ability to make the potentially make the

00:27:19 ◼   ► Android Wear apps better for their stuff. Who knows? I mean I don't know how they're

00:27:24 ◼   ► gonna tie them in together but they're doing something to tie them in together.

00:27:27 ◼   ► But one way or another I mean like so going back to apps actually for a second

00:27:33 ◼   ► I mean we've all complained about apps on the Apple Watch but so if you take

00:27:38 ◼   ► apps out of the discussion just the fact that the Apple Watch ties in so heavily

00:27:43 ◼   ► with iOS and the customization you can do to it. Just kind of set it up the way

00:27:46 ◼   ► that you want and the way that you want your notifications to come in and stuff.

00:27:49 ◼   ► That feels like it's always gonna be better than what Google could ever do.

00:27:54 ◼   ► Because like what about like interactive notifications that you can use with the

00:28:01 ◼   ► Apple Watch? You're not gonna be able to do those with Android Wear right? So even

00:28:06 ◼   ► just stuff you can do notifications doesn't feel like it's gonna be as good.

00:28:10 ◼   ► Yeah, I think that's a little gray because in the video it seemed like they were showing

00:28:15 ◼   ► that you could do that. And my understanding is, you know, I was eight offer some limited.

00:28:22 ◼   ► Yeah, you can put some buttons in notifications. So it may be that that stuff carries over.

00:28:28 ◼   ► But the more the more rich experience that you have on the watch where I can, you know,

00:28:33 ◼   ► if I have a notification, I can respond with pre selected text and that sort of thing may

00:28:37 ◼   ► may not be there. Again it seems even watching the video I'm still a little

00:28:42 ◼   ► confused on some of the details and I agree with you the blog post was

00:28:44 ◼   ► basically useless. Yeah but um I feel like that they're probably purposefully

00:28:49 ◼   ► glossing over the bad points right? Yeah what are they gonna say yeah oh this is

00:28:56 ◼   ► crippled. Go buy it. By the way guys it sucks. I mean it's not a criticism that they are they're doing that

00:29:02 ◼   ► because they kind of have to but it's like you know so it's not gonna be clear

00:29:06 ◼   ► to us what it can and can't do because they're not being so helpful with that, right?

00:29:11 ◼   ► Because they're not going to offer up that information, I suppose.

00:29:14 ◼   ► I really can't wait for Google to take the Apple Watch seriously and make native watch

00:29:18 ◼   ► apps.

00:29:19 ◼   ► They could be though, I mean we don't know that they're not.

00:29:22 ◼   ► Yeah, yeah, they could be and I hope they are because it totally makes sense, you know?

00:29:28 ◼   ► There are some Google apps on the iPhone that are much, much better than similar solutions

00:29:32 ◼   ► from Apple.

00:29:33 ◼   ► You could argue that Gmail and Google inbox are much better than Apple Mail.

00:29:38 ◼   ► If you're looking for, you know, if you use Gmail and you need the intelligence of Google

00:29:43 ◼   ► services, there's no contest between Apple Mail and inbox or Gmail.

00:29:48 ◼   ► And I really want to see them making watch apps, because I feel like they could make

00:29:52 ◼   ► some great stuff, especially with watchOS 2, so I'm hopeful.

00:29:58 ◼   ► Google are always slow.

00:30:00 ◼   ► They are.

00:30:01 ◼   ► Facebook also.

00:30:02 ◼   ► Yeah.

00:30:03 ◼   ► So we'll see what happens.

00:30:05 ◼   ► Alright, should we talk a little bit about Apple TV?

00:30:08 ◼   ► Sounds good.

00:30:09 ◼   ► We've been meaning to get around to this for weeks now.

00:30:11 ◼   ► Which part of the Apple TV?

00:30:13 ◼   ► All of it.

00:30:15 ◼   ► So also the American cable stuff.

00:30:18 ◼   ► That's it.

00:30:19 ◼   ► Yeah, we can talk about that.

00:30:21 ◼   ► Yeah, so I can have it divided between hardware, like what a new Apple TV is rumored to do,

00:30:28 ◼   ► and then software, including the cable service and games.

00:30:31 ◼   ► So there's a bunch of links in the show notes to 9to5, TechCrunch, BuzzFeed, etc.

00:30:37 ◼   ► And all this all these articles boil down to a new device powered by the A8.

00:30:45 ◼   ► Right now the thing runs an A5 and is can be quite slow at times.

00:30:51 ◼   ► New hardware would come with a new remote which you guys talked a little bit about an

00:30:55 ◼   ► upgrade yesterday.

00:30:57 ◼   ► but the rumors seem to be sort of gelling around,

00:31:01 ◼   ► having some touch controls somewhere

00:31:04 ◼   ► where you can do swipes and gestures perhaps,

00:31:06 ◼   ► and it being Bluetooth, which is really nice.

00:31:08 ◼   ► Right now it's infrared, and you have to be aiming,

00:31:11 ◼   ► you know, you have to have line of sight more or less

00:31:13 ◼   ► from the remote to the Apple TV.

00:31:15 ◼   ► I would love to hide mine, but I can't

00:31:17 ◼   ► because the remote has to see it.

00:31:19 ◼   ► Bluetooth would get around that, of course.

00:31:21 ◼   ► And what else do they say?

00:31:23 ◼   ► More RAM, and then the price is gonna go up.

00:31:26 ◼   ► it'll come in under $200 but if you remember from last year the old Apple TV

00:31:33 ◼   ► went from $99 to $69 so you know adding room in the lineup for something a

00:31:40 ◼   ► little more expensive perhaps. Yeah now maybe keep that $69 one around right

00:31:44 ◼   ► because I think they will TV stuff like the TV streaming service in the future

00:31:48 ◼   ► or whatever. Yeah or maybe they'll keep it until you know they run out of stock

00:31:52 ◼   ► or something and then go away but um if it's always connected to to a wall plug

00:31:58 ◼   ► if it's always you know always on and it uses the A8 CPU will it be dual core or

00:32:06 ◼   ► will it be a three core like the iPad Air 2? I think that gets down to the

00:32:11 ◼   ► software bit I think if it's going to come with an SDK and they're gonna push

00:32:15 ◼   ► gaming it may be you know maybe iPad Air 2 spec'd or iPad Pro or like

00:32:22 ◼   ► whatever the next right right because if you look at how slow they are to update

00:32:26 ◼   ► this hardware like why not give it a little a little push right now so you

00:32:31 ◼   ► get better you know so it ages better as time goes on so it'd be nice it'd be

00:32:36 ◼   ► nice if it I mean who cares if it's you know taking a little more power if it's

00:32:41 ◼   ► plugged in the thing already is like so energy efficient then why not but um so

00:32:47 ◼   ► the Siri thing I think is the most interesting to me and really for only

00:32:51 ◼   ► really for one reason. I'm sure we've all had this where you sit down at the

00:32:54 ◼   ► Apple TV or Roku or something and you're like I want to watch X you know I want

00:32:59 ◼   ► to watch Parks and Rec season 2 like we were talking about earlier and I have to

00:33:03 ◼   ► like go into Netflix and see if Netflix has it. I have to go into Amazon

00:33:08 ◼   ► Prime, I have to go into Hulu Plus, I have to go into these different services and

00:33:11 ◼   ► see who has it. There's no on the Apple TV there's no universal search. Now my

00:33:18 ◼   ► understanding is that Roku, the Kindle TV stuff, and the like the

00:33:23 ◼   ► Microsoft, the Xbox One stuff, they have this universal search even I think

00:33:28 ◼   ► Google TV or Android TV whatever it's called this week has it as well but

00:33:32 ◼   ► Apple TV doesn't and it'd be really great if it did I think. I guess I'm sort

00:33:38 ◼   ► of talking to myself because neither of you guys actually have an Apple TV do you?

00:33:40 ◼   ► No it's funny when you said to me we've all I was like he's addressing the

00:33:44 ◼   ► listener not me and Federico. We've all sat down at our Apple TVs. Yes, yes, every day.

00:33:51 ◼   ► The thing about TV for me is I don't watch movies and TV shows on my TV.

00:33:58 ◼   ► That's one of the few reasons why I use a MacBook is I watch those on my MacBook

00:34:06 ◼   ► with my girlfriend in bed. This is 100% what I do too. And also you know I'm

00:34:13 ◼   ► excited about an iPad Pro for this use case but I don't I don't I don't use the

00:34:20 ◼   ► TV I only use the TV for like the weather forecasts and the the news and

00:34:26 ◼   ► video games and video games yes it's because it's a big monitor so I use it

00:34:30 ◼   ► with my PlayStation 4 and the Wii U but I don't watch gotcha well okay so

00:34:36 ◼   ► so I'm talking to myself to be you are really you've really got to go along on

00:34:40 ◼   ► this one on your own buddy. Yeah sorry Stephen. No it's fine no Siri play Parks

00:34:44 ◼   ► and Rec season 2 like it should be smart enough to know what service has what

00:34:50 ◼   ► content and if you look at what they're doing on iOS 9 with the intelligent

00:34:53 ◼   ► stuff Apple is already searching that sort of stuff on iOS you know in the

00:34:58 ◼   ► beta where I could search for content within apps and so it doesn't seem like

00:35:03 ◼   ► a huge jump to me for the Apple TV to be able to do this and you know I joke that

00:35:07 ◼   ► that you could look at on Amazon Video.

00:35:09 ◼   ► Of course you can't do that on the Apple TV

00:35:11 ◼   ► and I think that's still ridiculous.

00:35:13 ◼   ► - Where do you think that lies?

00:35:14 ◼   ► Do you think that is like,

00:35:15 ◼   ► is there a Cold War kind of scenario

00:35:18 ◼   ► going on here with this? - I don't know, 'cause today,

00:35:20 ◼   ► so just today as we're recording this,

00:35:21 ◼   ► Amazon updated their Amazon Video iOS app

00:35:25 ◼   ► and you can download content within the app.

00:35:27 ◼   ► So I could download a movie on Amazon Prime Video

00:35:31 ◼   ► and watch it on an airplane without data connection.

00:35:33 ◼   ► Clearly Amazon is invested in iOS,

00:35:36 ◼   ► But maybe, you know--

00:35:39 ◼   ► - I feel like this has gotta be on Apple's side, man.

00:35:41 ◼   ► That they're like, nope, you're not doing it.

00:35:43 ◼   ► - Why just Amazon?

00:35:45 ◼   ► - Because you can buy on Amazon too.

00:35:46 ◼   ► - I mean, yeah, and maybe that's what it is.

00:35:50 ◼   ► Maybe Apple says you can only do Prime Video

00:35:52 ◼   ► but you can't purchase anything, and Amazon says no.

00:35:55 ◼   ► We only, you know, those things come together.

00:35:58 ◼   ► And so I don't know, but being able to pick up the remote

00:36:02 ◼   ► say hey Siri play this or even you know play Beats 1 or you know stream this

00:36:11 ◼   ► album or show me this photo stream. It'd be so great because so much of the Apple TV

00:36:16 ◼   ► experience is you're on that dinky little remote and you're you know

00:36:19 ◼   ► pushing those buttons over and over and going through endless menus and

00:36:24 ◼   ► scrolling on something that's not designed to scroll very well and typing

00:36:28 ◼   ► you know I actually have I should have a Bluetooth keyboard paired with my Apple

00:36:30 ◼   ► TV for the search stuff but um it's all just slow so slow and so clunky to to

00:36:37 ◼   ► interact with the thing and being able to do it with Siri assuming the Siri

00:36:42 ◼   ► would work would be so much better I think so much less frustrating so I

00:36:46 ◼   ► really hope this is true and I really hope Apple is pairing it with the

00:36:48 ◼   ► intelligent stuff they're doing in iOS 9 to make it better it's gotta be right

00:36:52 ◼   ► you press a button on the microphone to speak in a button on the remote and

00:36:56 ◼   ► speaking to the remote right? I would hope so. You'd feel like it should be invoked

00:37:01 ◼   ► by a button press, Xbox, the Microsoft or the Xbox show why you can't have it just

00:37:07 ◼   ► always listening because your own ads trigger them right? Or if it senses that

00:37:12 ◼   ► you've picked up the remote you know like on the Apple watch you can just

00:37:15 ◼   ► turn your wrist over and if the screen is on you can say... Sure that works.

00:37:18 ◼   ► Ahoy telephone but um yeah I agree that if the remote's just on the dining room

00:37:23 ◼   ► table and someone shouts, "Oh, a telephone is gonna go off."

00:37:27 ◼   ► - Or just like the TV. I mean, I get that invoked a ton with my Apple Watch just because

00:37:34 ◼   ► the face is on and I'm talking regularly to somebody else and then my Apple Watch is dictating

00:37:40 ◼   ► on its own.

00:37:41 ◼   ► - Yeah. What if your dog's name was Siri and you were just talking to your dog all the

00:37:45 ◼   ► time? That'd be crazy.

00:37:46 ◼   ► - I feel like you shouldn't do that.

00:37:47 ◼   ► - Bad idea.

00:37:48 ◼   ► - I feel like that's a really bad idea.

00:37:51 ◼   ► the so talking about the remote if series of thing you know microphone

00:37:55 ◼   ► built in we have this touch sensitive bit of the rumor where there's some sort

00:37:59 ◼   ► of touchpad on it we have motion tracking which I kind of want to hold

00:38:02 ◼   ► off to get to the gaming stuff but my big concern with it with a more advanced

00:38:07 ◼   ► remote is this going to be more a more expensive remote and anyone who has an

00:38:11 ◼   ► Apple TV has purchased 918 Apple remotes over the years because you lose them

00:38:16 ◼   ► like there's only four of them in my couch right now and like who knows how

00:38:19 ◼   ► long they've been there right there's one under the couch there's one there's

00:38:22 ◼   ► no telling especially with kids if things just disappear and so a remote

00:38:26 ◼   ► that you know is more expensive or even has glass on it for the trackpad like

00:38:30 ◼   ► as someone who like one of the primary users of our Apple TV is like my

00:38:36 ◼   ► five and seven year old I hope this thing is robust and I hope that the

00:38:40 ◼   ► remote is not you know $49 or $69 to replace when inevitably gets broken or

00:38:46 ◼   ► lost but I guess we'll see we'll see how that goes. You gotta have that little

00:38:50 ◼   ► button you can press like on the watch right to find your phone. Find my remote

00:38:55 ◼   ► yeah yeah so I think you know I wonder how many how many of the find my iPhone

00:38:59 ◼   ► uses are like I just don't know where in the house my phone is. Find my phone. My girlfriend

00:39:05 ◼   ► all the time it's one of her favorite features on the Apple watch. Yep I very

00:39:10 ◼   ► frequently am in a room in the house and I hear ding ding ding. I was like oh she lost her phone again.

00:39:16 ◼   ► more since owning an Apple watch because I'm more likely to set my phone down

00:39:19 ◼   ► when I get home and I'll have it you know in my pocket and it's like what

00:39:22 ◼   ► room does that in but um so we just like speak into the watch and have me call

00:39:28 ◼   ► you I mean that seems like I could just I think a lot of work on your part

00:39:35 ◼   ► it's a system I suppose it's a service I'm happy to provide my get Myke is a

00:39:41 ◼   ► iPhone finding service yeah be great I someone the chair and said put it on a

00:39:45 ◼   ► tether like they do pins at the bank. Can only go so far away from the couch.

00:39:51 ◼   ► That's pretty good. So yeah and then we have the the part of the rumor where

00:40:00 ◼   ► they're going to to offer potentially offer a Bluetooth gaming controller

00:40:06 ◼   ► support as well but. Can we talk about game controls right now? I think let's

00:40:11 ◼   ► talk about let's take let's take a break and talk about the service and then

00:40:14 ◼   ► close out with the gaming stuff because I feel like that's gonna be where the exciting part happens.

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00:43:11 ◼   ► - So the streaming service is a part of this

00:43:17 ◼   ► that's been around for a while.

00:43:20 ◼   ► Some sort of cable killing, cord cutting service

00:43:24 ◼   ► that Apple's providing where you can go in

00:43:26 ◼   ► and you can potentially purchase content

00:43:31 ◼   ► directly from these content companies

00:43:34 ◼   ► as opposed to paying Comcast

00:43:35 ◼   ► and you get a bunch of channels you don't want.

00:43:38 ◼   ► And you know, this rumor's been around for a long time

00:43:40 ◼   ► and it seems that this is not in the cards

00:43:44 ◼   ► for the September event.

00:43:46 ◼   ► Also probably not in the cards for anyone not in the US.

00:43:50 ◼   ► So I don't know what you guys think about this,

00:43:53 ◼   ► but I for one, there's content that I would like to watch

00:43:58 ◼   ► that's on cable TV but I don't wanna pay

00:44:00 ◼   ► for all the other stuff.

00:44:02 ◼   ► I don't want to deal with like a terrible cable box

00:44:05 ◼   ► and everything that comes with that.

00:44:07 ◼   ► And so this sort of service is appealing to me,

00:44:09 ◼   ► but it seems like it's just sort of on a treadmill

00:44:11 ◼   ► and never actually getting here.

00:44:13 ◼   ► - I mean, it's kind of isn't an issue for me.

00:44:17 ◼   ► Like a lot of the programs here,

00:44:20 ◼   ► like there are systems and services

00:44:23 ◼   ► that you can sign up for, all that are free, right?

00:44:27 ◼   ► And you can watch stuff on them,

00:44:28 ◼   ► like all the big TV channels here have their own catch up services like BBC iPlayer being

00:44:35 ◼   ► probably the most famous of them. And then you have like cheap services that like there's

00:44:41 ◼   ► one called Now TV which allows you to watch like movies and sports and some other types

00:44:45 ◼   ► of shows and stuff and you can just pay for that and it's you just pay a subscription

00:44:49 ◼   ► fee for it. But for me personally there are not any TV shows where I'm like oh man I've

00:44:55 ◼   ► got no way to get this like I could just buy it on iTunes like it's not an issue

00:45:00 ◼   ► for me personally and I think it really differs country to country about what

00:45:05 ◼   ► the kind of offerings are anyway so I mean it's like okay if this thing

00:45:10 ◼   ► exists it's great but it also I'm not I'm not gonna see myself wanting to sign

00:45:15 ◼   ► up for something like this it would have to be really great at a really great

00:45:17 ◼   ► price which I doubt that it would tick those boxes I mean I don't even want an

00:45:23 ◼   ► Apple TV. So I mean I don't know what it's gonna be like, what they're gonna

00:45:26 ◼   ► announce, right? Like if the gaming part of it, which again we'll get to in a

00:45:30 ◼   ► moment, if it's gonna be really good then maybe I'll consider it, but I don't want

00:45:35 ◼   ► an Apple TV for anything TV related.

00:45:37 ◼   ► Yeah, same. And I'm pretty sure I won't pay for TV movie content ever again

00:45:44 ◼   ► unless I get some kind of streaming option that's like Apple Music that

00:45:49 ◼   ► gives me everything in a legal way for like $20 a month. I don't want to go broke just

00:45:57 ◼   ► to watch TV shows. That's crazy. I'm sorry. I'm not one of those people saying, "Yeah,

00:46:04 ◼   ► I should get everything for free." But there should be a new way to let more people pay

00:46:11 ◼   ► even less for this stuff, but ultimately you make more money. Basically the streaming model

00:46:16 ◼   ► for music, that's what I want for TV. And until that day comes, and it's not just an

00:46:21 ◼   ► American thing, and it's not just limited to, you know, American TV shows on select

00:46:27 ◼   ► networks, and it's not built on top of those crazy geographical restrictions, I want to

00:46:33 ◼   ► be able to watch TV shows in English, coming from America, in Italy, the same day that

00:46:40 ◼   ► they are out in the States for a very cheap price every month. Is that too crazy?

00:46:46 ◼   ► That's how I feel. I mean like I pay for Netflix because it's not that expensive

00:46:52 ◼   ► and they've got a lot of the interesting stuff on there and I'm an Amazon Prime

00:46:57 ◼   ► customer so I get Prime Instant and they for the majority of stuff that I ever

00:47:02 ◼   ► want to watch they go like 95% of the way. Because I just like watch like you

00:47:08 ◼   ► know what we refer to as box sets here right just like we're watching The

00:47:12 ◼   ► Office right now. I'm just watching all The Office right on like a combination

00:47:18 ◼   ► of Netflix and Amazon and that's fine that's all I need. I don't need like the

00:47:22 ◼   ► most up-to-date of something or other. It's not really it's just not really a

00:47:25 ◼   ► way that both me and Federico are so if they haven't got this service if it

00:47:28 ◼   ► doesn't come to the UK I mean I'm probably gonna be okay with it anyway.

00:47:32 ◼   ► Yeah I mean that you know that's the flip side of this too is they are if

00:47:37 ◼   ► If this is going on to a degree,

00:47:40 ◼   ► they are starting to compete with

00:47:43 ◼   ► these other streaming services in a new way.

00:47:46 ◼   ► And there was this article in Variety just yesterday

00:47:49 ◼   ► about Apple was looking to move into original programming.

00:47:54 ◼   ► This article, according to this article,

00:47:56 ◼   ► they bid on what was Top Gear.

00:48:00 ◼   ► Of course, of course, went to Amazon.

00:48:02 ◼   ► That show will be revived on Amazon Prime Video next year.

00:48:07 ◼   ► I feel like Apple were maybe not completely serious about their bid.

00:48:12 ◼   ► Surely they could have outbid Amazon.

00:48:14 ◼   ► Yeah because if they were really serious about original programming it doesn't happen very

00:48:20 ◼   ► often that the world's most popular TV show comes up for auction.

00:48:25 ◼   ► Like that is a very rare thing to occur right?

00:48:28 ◼   ► So if they were really serious then they would have just paid whatever money it took.

00:48:33 ◼   ► Right.

00:48:34 ◼   ► - I tend to agree with that line of thinking.

00:48:38 ◼   ► But it does sort of raise the question of like,

00:48:40 ◼   ► if Apple's doing all the streaming stuff,

00:48:42 ◼   ► does it make sense for them to move

00:48:44 ◼   ► into original programming?

00:48:45 ◼   ► And there was a huge debate about this

00:48:48 ◼   ► and the relay slack last night.

00:48:50 ◼   ► But my sort of take on it is,

00:48:53 ◼   ► Netflix is doing it, Amazon is doing it.

00:48:56 ◼   ► It is weird in the sense that Apple hasn't done it yet,

00:49:01 ◼   ► but if they are going to be offering a streaming service,

00:49:04 ◼   ► then this seems to be, in 2015, this seems to be part of

00:49:08 ◼   ► what a streaming service means.

00:49:09 ◼   ► Netflix just this week, they lost the Epic Pictures deal

00:49:14 ◼   ► where a lot of movies are leaving Netflix

00:49:16 ◼   ► and Hulu Plus picked that up.

00:49:18 ◼   ► But Netflix is saying, "You know, it's fine.

00:49:20 ◼   ► "We have a lot of TV shows

00:49:22 ◼   ► "and we have a lot of original programming."

00:49:24 ◼   ► Some of the best TV I've seen in the last couple of years

00:49:27 ◼   ► has been Netflix original series stuff.

00:49:30 ◼   ► They're really doing a good job.

00:49:32 ◼   ► And the question is could Apple do this?

00:49:35 ◼   ► And some people on Twitter and the Slack thing

00:49:39 ◼   ► were talking about, well, Apple has all these

00:49:42 ◼   ► sort of old-fashioned rules about content.

00:49:44 ◼   ► Would they do a show but not allow cursing?

00:49:47 ◼   ► Would they do a show but not allow sexuality?

00:49:49 ◼   ► And I think that's sort of a ridiculous statement.

00:49:52 ◼   ► I think that the way that Apple patrols the App Store

00:49:57 ◼   ► and the way that Apple would go about

00:49:59 ◼   ► doing something like this,

00:50:01 ◼   ► obviously different groups of people,

00:50:03 ◼   ► very different priorities.

00:50:05 ◼   ► - Can you buy Game of Thrones on iTunes?

00:50:07 ◼   ► - That's a good question, I can find out.

00:50:10 ◼   ► I know that you can, I mean I've bought

00:50:12 ◼   ► all sorts of crazy stuff on iTunes that's obscene,

00:50:14 ◼   ► but I mean, I think that's the closer model

00:50:18 ◼   ► than the app store of, you know,

00:50:20 ◼   ► can you get these things on iTunes?

00:50:25 ◼   ► Can you stream explicit music?

00:50:27 ◼   ► Yeah, Game of Thrones is right here.

00:50:28 ◼   ► - Right, but then it's not an issue, is it?

00:50:30 ◼   ► because it's a HBO show with all the violence and nudity

00:50:34 ◼   ► that they have on HBO shows.

00:50:36 ◼   ► - Right, and they have the HBO Go app on Apple TV now,

00:50:40 ◼   ► which they made a big deal of last year

00:50:42 ◼   ► when they announced it.

00:50:43 ◼   ► So I think, is Apple gonna be puritanical

00:50:47 ◼   ► with their content?

00:50:48 ◼   ► I think that's sort of a non-starter.

00:50:49 ◼   ► But the idea of Apple owning a studio,

00:50:53 ◼   ► which I really think is what this is, right?

00:50:54 ◼   ► This isn't like Eddy Cue directing a TV show.

00:50:56 ◼   ► This is Apple paying people who make TV to make TV.

00:50:59 ◼   ► - I would watch that, by the way.

00:51:01 ◼   ► - I would, probably a train wreck.

00:51:04 ◼   ► - The same.

00:51:05 ◼   ► - Or the EdiQ office style documentary.

00:51:08 ◼   ► - No, no, no, I wanna watch Glee made by EdiQ.

00:51:11 ◼   ► (laughing)

00:51:14 ◼   ► Sorry, preprescant.

00:51:18 ◼   ► - No, no, I just can't get that picture out of my head

00:51:20 ◼   ► of EdiQ dancing with high school students.

00:51:23 ◼   ► But, so, I don't know, I think if they do a streaming

00:51:27 ◼   ► and this is part of that,

00:51:29 ◼   ► then it doesn't make me worried about Apple

00:51:32 ◼   ► that if Apple gets into this,

00:51:34 ◼   ► that, you know, I don't know.

00:51:37 ◼   ► I just don't think this is as big of a deal

00:51:38 ◼   ► as some people have made it out to be.

00:51:40 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:51:42 ◼   ► You guys have any thoughts on this at all?

00:51:43 ◼   ► I mean, you guys both watch Netflix original stuff.

00:51:46 ◼   ► - I love that kind of stuff.

00:51:48 ◼   ► I think, and I agree with you completely,

00:51:50 ◼   ► like if you are serious about streaming today,

00:51:52 ◼   ► you have to have original content for a couple of reasons.

00:51:55 ◼   ► One, it's expected.

00:51:56 ◼   ► the other, the movie studios can just do anything, go anywhere, do whatever.

00:52:02 ◼   ► And you end up getting outbid.

00:52:04 ◼   ► So if Netflix didn't make like House of Cards and Daredevil and all the stuff that they

00:52:08 ◼   ► make, they would be in hot bother right now.

00:52:12 ◼   ► But they're like, it doesn't even matter because we have like award, multi-award winning TV

00:52:18 ◼   ► shows that you can only get here.

00:52:20 ◼   ► I have a question.

00:52:23 ◼   ► I once read an article about Netflix and it explained that the way that House of Cards

00:52:30 ◼   ► and Orange and all these other Netflix originals are so successful is that Netflix has data

00:52:37 ◼   ► collection policies that tell them exactly what kind of content people may be interested

00:52:43 ◼   ► in because Netflix knew that House of Cards was going to be a success and Netflix knew

00:52:47 ◼   ► that Orange was going to be a success.

00:52:50 ◼   ► Is Apple, if they're going to do originals, will they do this kind of stuff?

00:52:56 ◼   ► Will they use data collection as much as possible to know what kind of trends are coming?

00:53:03 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:53:04 ◼   ► All you've got to do is look at the chart.

00:53:11 ◼   ► The article that I read was maybe a couple of years ago.

00:53:14 ◼   ► Probably a little more sophisticated.

00:53:15 ◼   ► - It's like some crazy stuff Netflix is doing

00:53:18 ◼   ► to understand like what people are searching for.

00:53:21 ◼   ► When, how, like-

00:53:23 ◼   ► - If you build a recommendation engine,

00:53:27 ◼   ► you have this data.

00:53:28 ◼   ► - I don't know, but it's interesting to compare,

00:53:31 ◼   ► you know, Apple approaching areas of entertainment

00:53:35 ◼   ► where data collection, which they usually don't do much,

00:53:39 ◼   ► they do some of it, but not much.

00:53:41 ◼   ► They, even if you look at iOS 9,

00:53:43 ◼   ► they do a lot of on-device processing.

00:53:46 ◼   ► And they say, we don't want your data.

00:53:48 ◼   ► We don't want your data on our servers.

00:53:51 ◼   ► And it's interesting to compare that with original content.

00:53:54 ◼   ► And then you bring in Netflix as a topic of discussion.

00:53:57 ◼   ► But Netflix does all these other things with user data.

00:54:00 ◼   ► And it's interesting as a comparison.

00:54:02 ◼   ► I don't know.

00:54:03 ◼   ► I don't know what I think.

00:54:04 ◼   ► But if they do it, I'm interested in the approach

00:54:08 ◼   ► they take.

00:54:10 ◼   ► I think it's an interesting way of doing things.

00:54:13 ◼   ► I mean I have no problem with that as a customer.

00:54:15 ◼   ► You know what I'm watching.

00:54:18 ◼   ► It's not an issue to then give me stuff I wanna watch.

00:54:21 ◼   ► Make new stuff that I wanna watch.

00:54:24 ◼   ► That's kind of exactly what I pay you money for

00:54:26 ◼   ► at this point.

00:54:27 ◼   ► - Please continue to watch me, basically.

00:54:29 ◼   ► - All right, let's talk about apps and games.

00:54:33 ◼   ► So Steven, what is going on here?

00:54:35 ◼   ► - So you have A8, you have a touch controller,

00:54:41 ◼   ► touch controller, you have Bluetooth gaming controller support which is has

00:54:47 ◼   ► been a part of iOS for a while now. All that seems to be adding up to gaming

00:54:54 ◼   ► coming to the Apple TV and my question is for you guys because I'm not I am at

00:55:01 ◼   ► best a like I have one casual game on my iPhone at a time like I'm not in this world

00:55:05 ◼   ► that you guys live in.

00:55:07 ◼   ► - You are friends with gamers.

00:55:09 ◼   ► - I'm friends with gamers, that's right.

00:55:12 ◼   ► - Put it like that, okay.

00:55:14 ◼   ► - And so, really, I have a couple of questions for you guys,

00:55:17 ◼   ► and maybe really one big question is,

00:55:20 ◼   ► if the Apple TV is sort of stuck in casual gaming land,

00:55:27 ◼   ► is that a viable market?

00:55:31 ◼   ► Could you take a bunch of iOS class games,

00:55:34 ◼   ► games, you know, if this thing is not going to compete with the PlayStation, not going

00:55:38 ◼   ► to compete with the Xbox, which doesn't seem like it's going to, like, can it exist in

00:55:42 ◼   ► this, like, lower end of the market of casual games? Does that make any sense at all? Is

00:55:46 ◼   ► that something that you guys would be interested in having? Or do you think this is a play

00:55:51 ◼   ► for Apple to go after something like PlayStation and we just don't see it yet?

00:55:55 ◼   ► - It can't go off the PlayStation with this.

00:55:58 ◼   ► - That's the problem right there. There's two schools of thought. Basically, there's

00:56:03 ◼   ► There's the people who believe they're gonna go after traditional consoles because they're

00:56:07 ◼   ► gonna die eventually anyway.

00:56:09 ◼   ► And there's people who are sort of more in the middle, they're gonna do casual games,

00:56:14 ◼   ► they're gonna bring in the success of the iOS app store to the living room, and that's

00:56:18 ◼   ► gonna be a problem for consoles, but not directly because the games that people buy on consoles

00:56:24 ◼   ► are not on the app store anyway.

00:56:26 ◼   ► Because part of the reason is like, they are 80 gigabytes, right?

00:56:31 ◼   ► a reason that the PlayStation 4 and the Xbox One have optical drives still. You can download

00:56:36 ◼   ► this stuff, but people tend not to do it still, I think. There's still an incredible amount

00:56:42 ◼   ► of optical discs sold, and the reason for that is the games are massive! And this is

00:56:48 ◼   ► not really a world that Apple seems to be in. Sorry if Federico, continue with the console stuff.

00:56:54 ◼   ► So my thought, as soon as I read the report on the remote, I remember having this discussion

00:57:07 ◼   ► with friends many years ago in 2005 before the Nintendo Wii came out in the public and

00:57:15 ◼   ► we were talking about the remote and the genius of the idea of using an object that a lot

00:57:21 ◼   ► of people are comfortable with, a lot of people know, to kind of reinvent gaming.

00:57:26 ◼   ► And so if we consider the remote as the primary input mechanism of this new Apple TV for games,

00:57:35 ◼   ► is there going to be a new Wii moment for the industry?

00:57:39 ◼   ► Is it going to make it easier for people of all extractions, of all kinds, to approach

00:57:46 ◼   ► gaming in the living room?

00:57:48 ◼   ► So the situation now is much different from 2005.

00:57:52 ◼   ► Ten years later, I would argue there's a lot of people who know video games that didn't

00:57:58 ◼   ► know video games before.

00:58:00 ◼   ► A lot more people play on smartphones today than they did in 2005 because, you know, basically

00:58:06 ◼   ► the iPhone didn't even exist back then and the games for smartphones back then were really

00:58:12 ◼   ► different from today.

00:58:13 ◼   ► So in 10 years the video game has expanded as a concept, as a hobby to many, many more

00:58:21 ◼   ► millions of people and that's partially thanks to portable consoles and the App Store and

00:58:27 ◼   ► the Google Play Store.

00:58:28 ◼   ► Now what does it mean for an Apple TV focus on gaming coming to the living room?

00:58:33 ◼   ► My first, in these scenarios I try to apply the Occam's razor rule so the easiest explanation

00:58:43 ◼   ► tends to be the most plausible one and that iOS games come to the living room

00:58:49 ◼   ► and it means that the success that iOS games had because of their approachable

00:58:56 ◼   ► nature and different pricing model and you know ease of picking up a game

00:59:02 ◼   ► playing a game and then switching to something else that's gotta be coming to

00:59:07 ◼   ► the Apple TV. What does it mean if that kind of success moves from the iPhone and the iPad

00:59:16 ◼   ► into the living room onto a bigger screen? The thing to consider for me is not necessarily

00:59:25 ◼   ► the specifics of the consoles, but the economy of time. Time that you spend playing a casual

00:59:35 ◼   ► game on an Apple TV is time you don't spend playing on a PlayStation 4. So even if the

00:59:40 ◼   ► two consoles are not comparable directly because of games and because of hardware, whenever

00:59:46 ◼   ► you spend time on the casual game, what ultimately matters is that you don't spend time on the

00:59:53 ◼   ► hardcore game on the PlayStation or the Xbox.

00:59:56 ◼   ► A game becomes casual when you can play it anywhere.

01:00:00 ◼   ► Exactly. So what I'm trying to imagine now is

01:00:03 ◼   ► maybe the remote won't be as big as a deal as

01:00:07 ◼   ► The Nintendo Wiimote was

01:00:11 ◼   ► Many years ago because you know people are kind of more into video games now

01:00:16 ◼   ► although I would argue that as a motion controller I

01:00:19 ◼   ► suspect it'll be easier to use than a controller like a DualShock or an Xbox one controller that you hand to

01:00:27 ◼   ► someone who doesn't play video games because by nature of vMotion people know motion, people know how to move hands in most cases

01:00:34 ◼   ► So it'll be natural, but that's not the primary point I guess

01:00:39 ◼   ► The main focus for me is what happens when you take an iOS game and you put it onto the bigger

01:00:45 ◼   ► television set and you create an

01:00:48 ◼   ► integration with the App Store so imagine you're playing a game on your iPhone and you use something like continuity for

01:00:55 ◼   ► iOS games and Apple TV games so whenever you arrive home

01:00:59 ◼   ► You can start playing at the same point where you were without waiting for iCloud save and that kind of stuff

01:01:05 ◼   ► You just use hands-off to continue playing on the bigger screen and what happens when you when you build up

01:01:10 ◼   ► multiplayer features they use iPads or

01:01:13 ◼   ► iPhones that maybe kids and other family members have to create shared experiences in front of the Apple TV for games

01:01:20 ◼   ► That's a very

01:01:24 ◼   ► Different thinking process than traditional consoles and what they're trying to do they

01:01:29 ◼   ► Sony and Microsoft. I'm trying to take Nintendo out of the picture here because they're not as big as the other two

01:01:36 ◼   ► Sony and Microsoft are trying to do some of that

01:01:39 ◼   ► You can look at Sony and the play and the PlayStation 4 with the remote feature for the PS Vita

01:01:44 ◼   ► And it lets you and it lets you beam some content to the PS Vita with remote play or you can look also at Sony

01:01:50 ◼   ► and the PlayStation TV, which is this little accessory that basically extends the PlayStation

01:01:56 ◼   ► 4 gaming screen to another television entirely.

01:02:00 ◼   ► Or you can look at Microsoft with the Xbox and Smart Glass and the kind of second screen

01:02:05 ◼   ► experiences that they're trying.

01:02:07 ◼   ► But an Apple TV with iOS games on the iPhone, the iPad, and now the bigger screen without

01:02:13 ◼   ► having to do streaming, AirPlay or iCloud, all those other services on top, but just

01:02:20 ◼   ► native gaming one-to-one, that's, I think, a very big market, potentially.

01:02:28 ◼   ► And when you go to a parent and you say, "Okay, your kid has an iPad and you have an iPhone,

01:02:35 ◼   ► but now you also want your kid to be playing games on the TV.

01:02:39 ◼   ► You don't want to spend $500 getting a PlayStation 4 or an Xbox and a bunch of games.

01:02:44 ◼   ► They're also violent and you don't want your kid to be playing GTA.

01:02:48 ◼   ► And you can use the App Store with the restrictions that you already have in place, the account

01:02:52 ◼   ► that you already know, or your purchases of all your family, and it costs $200 and you

01:02:58 ◼   ► can also watch all kinds of video content on it.

01:03:01 ◼   ► That's a pretty strong proposition, I would say.

01:03:04 ◼   ► I agree with you mostly, except in a few points.

01:03:08 ◼   ► Okay.

01:03:09 ◼   ► So the majority of stuff that you've spoken about I agree with.

01:03:12 ◼   ► Like I like the idea of the continuing games, I really like the idea of being able to use

01:03:16 ◼   ► the Apple TV as a way to connect different devices and everybody plays

01:03:21 ◼   ► the same game. Like we haven't spoken about this yet but I've heard Runbo being

01:03:27 ◼   ► mentioned a lot like this, Jason was telling me about it and upgrade. The

01:03:32 ◼   ► main points where I disagree with what you said is in discounting Nintendo in

01:03:37 ◼   ► the discussion because the games on an Apple TV will probably be closer to

01:03:43 ◼   ► to Nintendo in content and style than they would be to PlayStation or Xbox.

01:03:49 ◼   ► I agree I was just talking from a market perspective.

01:03:53 ◼   ► Exactly yes.

01:03:54 ◼   ► So I totally agree with that but I wanted to make that point.

01:03:57 ◼   ► My other point is the controller and the controller's importance.

01:04:02 ◼   ► Now the problem with the world that you painted, like the idea of, and this is probably the

01:04:09 ◼   ► world that Apple would like to paint as well. The idea of like "oh you're playing

01:04:14 ◼   ► Infinity Blade on your iPhone go and finish it on the Apple TV"

01:04:19 ◼   ► It can't be the same game because the interaction of touching the game is

01:04:26 ◼   ► fundamentally different from having a controller in your hand and looking at a

01:04:30 ◼   ► TV and putting a touchpad on it does not help you because you will not know where

01:04:35 ◼   ► your finger is when you touch the touchpad, right, in relation to the

01:04:39 ◼   ► content that you're looking at on the television. So the controller and the

01:04:43 ◼   ► controller method, the input method, is going to be significantly different to

01:04:48 ◼   ► the games that we play on iPhones and iPads, right? You can see where I'm going

01:04:51 ◼   ► with this. So I made this point to Jason and I want to see what you think of, you

01:04:57 ◼   ► guys think of it as well. I think that if Apple try and paint a game story as an

01:05:04 ◼   ► important thing but do not show a first-party gaming focused controller I

01:05:12 ◼   ► think that they are not as committed to games as they may think that they or may

01:05:18 ◼   ► position themselves as being. There needs to be like a controller with buttons on it.

01:05:23 ◼   ► Yes totally agree I'm not sure about doesn't need triggers doesn't need how

01:05:29 ◼   ► many buttons doesn't need a d-pad I just know and I was having this argument on

01:05:33 ◼   ► on Twitter yesterday with my friend Zach Syche.

01:05:37 ◼   ► But if they only rely on third-party controllers--

01:05:40 ◼   ► - That has failed.

01:05:41 ◼   ► - That's a problem, because you're creating people

01:05:45 ◼   ► a sort of paralysis of choice issue.

01:05:48 ◼   ► You go to the Apple store and you're like,

01:05:49 ◼   ► I want a new Apple TV, give me a new Apple TV, sure.

01:05:53 ◼   ► You know how to play games on it?

01:05:54 ◼   ► And I'm like, no, I don't know.

01:05:56 ◼   ► How much money do I need to give you?

01:05:58 ◼   ► Does it have a controller?

01:05:59 ◼   ► Does it come with a controller?

01:06:00 ◼   ► Can I use my iPhone?

01:06:01 ◼   ► Can I use, you know?

01:06:02 ◼   ► Should I buy an extra controller?

01:06:04 ◼   ► And the guy is like, yeah, you can buy one of these 20 choices.

01:06:09 ◼   ► And at that point, I'm no gamer.

01:06:12 ◼   ► I just want to buy a new Apple TV because my kid wants

01:06:15 ◼   ► to play Angry Birds or maybe Minecraft Pocket

01:06:17 ◼   ► Edition on the bigger screen.

01:06:19 ◼   ► And I'm like, what?

01:06:21 ◼   ► It doesn't come with--

01:06:22 ◼   ► I should pick one of the third party options?

01:06:25 ◼   ► That's craziness.

01:06:26 ◼   ► And if Apple doesn't commit to making their own controller,

01:06:29 ◼   ► I agree that's a big issue.

01:06:31 ◼   ► At least with the information that we have right now, so we could be completely wrong

01:06:36 ◼   ► because we're looking at this rumor from a failed perspective, but in this case with

01:06:43 ◼   ► the information we have, if they don't do one, that's an issue.

01:06:47 ◼   ► I think because you cannot rely on people to make a choice when it comes to required

01:06:53 ◼   ► hardware that's not pre-installed or that comes with the box of what you buy.

01:07:00 ◼   ► You cannot say, "Yeah, you can buy one from MedCats, you can buy one from this other company,

01:07:06 ◼   ► you can buy this other one, but this other one is plastic, this one has aluminum details,

01:07:11 ◼   ► and this other one has better performance for rumble packs."

01:07:14 ◼   ► What do you say to people, right?

01:07:16 ◼   ► I agree.

01:07:17 ◼   ► Apple make keyboards and mice.

01:07:19 ◼   ► Yes, they should make a game controller.

01:07:21 ◼   ► I agree.

01:07:22 ◼   ► Because I can't see a world where they can make a games console or make the Apple TV

01:07:30 ◼   ► into a games console without providing a controller.

01:07:33 ◼   ► Because the touch idea, I cannot envision how that works.

01:07:39 ◼   ► Like a panel that you touch and try and control a game with on a TV just doesn't...

01:07:45 ◼   ► With my gaming knowledge it just doesn't make any sense.

01:07:51 ◼   ► - Yeah, and I would think too that if Apple

01:07:53 ◼   ► has a first party controller, you know,

01:07:55 ◼   ► it's gonna be easier for the development community as well.

01:07:58 ◼   ► Right now how it works, they have a couple

01:07:59 ◼   ► of reference designs.

01:08:01 ◼   ► I think Logitech makes one, maybe Belkin makes one.

01:08:04 ◼   ► I've never seen one or seen anyone talk about one.

01:08:07 ◼   ► I can't imagine they're selling.

01:08:08 ◼   ► - Apparently they're all crap.

01:08:10 ◼   ► - Yeah, I would imagine so. - There's a bunch of them.

01:08:13 ◼   ► I'm sure you've seen the same Federico

01:08:15 ◼   ► that there is effectively no good ones.

01:08:17 ◼   ► - And so if Apple makes their own,

01:08:21 ◼   ► gets around that problem as well when developers know what they're targeting

01:08:23 ◼   ► exactly and they can make the hardware really good and you know maybe it's

01:08:27 ◼   ► maybe it's an optional purchase maybe it doesn't come with the Apple TV it could

01:08:31 ◼   ► be like the Kindle or the Amazon Fire TV I believe does not come with the game

01:08:37 ◼   ► controller but you can purchase it separately.

01:08:38 ◼   ► Yeah. That I could see them being a separate purchase but I agree with you

01:08:43 ◼   ► guys that if Apple doesn't make one if they just leave it up to third parties

01:08:46 ◼   ► then it's not a... I think it's a pretty clear sign they're not as into it as

01:08:52 ◼   ► they might be otherwise.

01:08:53 ◼   ► Also I just wanted to just add one more point about just to put

01:08:58 ◼   ► into context the Wii a little bit because I think a lot of people will

01:09:02 ◼   ► think about the Wii when they think about this but so the Wii was successful

01:09:07 ◼   ► it brought in a bunch of non gamers and the reason it did that was because the

01:09:12 ◼   ► input method was something we'd never seen before. We hadn't seen that

01:09:17 ◼   ► before. The motion control didn't exist prior to this in any form that

01:09:23 ◼   ► people could use in their home. Accelerometers and all that kind of stuff

01:09:27 ◼   ► were not in every smartphone that you bought. This stuff was brand new

01:09:32 ◼   ► but even then they did actually turn that into a real controller with

01:09:35 ◼   ► proper buttons on it that you could not have to look at. It worked as that

01:09:40 ◼   ► idea. I don't think... and it worked for Nintendo and then stopped working, right?

01:09:45 ◼   ► I don't think that just having a "ah but it's got a motion controller in it and

01:09:50 ◼   ► you can play games like that" I don't think that will work anymore I don't think

01:09:53 ◼   ► it's enough. So I just wanted to add that little bit of context to the Wii because I

01:09:57 ◼   ► think it's important because I think the Wii is a real easy potential comparison

01:10:02 ◼   ► for what this controller could be but the Wiimote was a revolution in gaming

01:10:07 ◼   ► unlike... Also, remember the downfall of the Wii in the last years when the novelty effect

01:10:16 ◼   ► were off. And, you know, people just stopped using the Wii. So, we'll see.

01:10:24 ◼   ► I'd say I couldn't care less about Apple TV, just don't care about it, right? I care more

01:10:30 ◼   ► about Apple Games console because I just want to see what that is. The Apple TV stuff, it

01:10:36 ◼   ► It means nothing to me, as I think me and Federico both proved with our complete silence

01:10:41 ◼   ► for about 20 minutes.

01:10:43 ◼   ► That stuff is not for us.

01:10:45 ◼   ► And the fact that Steven has been completely silent for the last 20 minutes shows you where

01:10:49 ◼   ► he necessarily feels about this kind of thing.

01:10:51 ◼   ► Just one question about apps, or maybe we can all collaborate and have a shared experience

01:10:58 ◼   ► here.

01:11:01 ◼   ► Do we just assume that Apple is gonna launch an SDK and allow for some types of apps?

01:11:08 ◼   ► Do you want a calculator on your Apple TV?

01:11:11 ◼   ► Yes.

01:11:12 ◼   ► I feel like that they would say that this is for like media apps.

01:11:17 ◼   ► Media apps?

01:11:18 ◼   ► Media and games.

01:11:19 ◼   ► Like having a podcast client besides Apple's would be great.

01:11:23 ◼   ► Having things that do media like stuff.

01:11:29 ◼   ► Twitter client doesn't make any sense. Exactly. Or OmniFocus, right? You don't need it on

01:11:34 ◼   ► the TV. It'll be kind of like CarPlay maybe. So like CarPlay lets you do audio,

01:11:39 ◼   ► like podcasts, music, you know, like a bunch of categories. That could be a really good comparison.

01:11:46 ◼   ► I wonder too if it would be open-ended like the App Store or you know CarPlay you have to be

01:11:51 ◼   ► like an approved partner. So Marco has that status with Overcast. I feel like it

01:11:56 ◼   ► will be open-ended but they will limit what you can do right they'll say like

01:12:01 ◼   ► these are the API's available to you and this is what you're able to do with

01:12:05 ◼   ► those and they are basically limited to gaming and entertainment playback and

01:12:11 ◼   ► stuff like that audio video. And you know and I think if they do that the

01:12:15 ◼   ► purchasing like we're talking about Amazon Prime Video I think the

01:12:17 ◼   ► purchasing stuff will have to be in there somewhere if you're going to offer

01:12:21 ◼   ► this you know we can sort of skipped over it but there's got to be some

01:12:24 ◼   ► storage in the device right now you can't access that storage in the Apple

01:12:28 ◼   ► TV it's it's there and it's uses the buffer for streaming and for for rentals

01:12:33 ◼   ► and stuff but you know I assume that we're gonna see storage options you

01:12:39 ◼   ► know storage tiers with this thing and maybe that's where the the price rumors

01:12:42 ◼   ► come in you know some people said 149 some of us had 199 you know maybe that's

01:12:46 ◼   ► 16 and 32 gig models so it'll be I think it's a if a third of this is true it's

01:12:54 ◼   ► going to be the most exciting fall the Apple TV has had in a long time but it

01:12:58 ◼   ► does seem like you know Apple is going to make a move here which is which is

01:13:01 ◼   ► good I mean as someone who has one and uses it I definitely have thought about

01:13:06 ◼   ► replacing it about once a month I sort of like peruse Roku's on Amazon like I

01:13:10 ◼   ► should buy Roku but I haven't because we have a lot of iTunes stuff and I'm

01:13:15 ◼   ► hoping that my patients will be rewarded with a device that can do a lot more and

01:13:18 ◼   ► and be more powerful and more flexible.

01:13:20 ◼   ► We'll see you next week. I'll be on a plane.

01:13:24 ◼   ► You will.

01:13:24 ◼   ► You'll be on a plane.

01:13:26 ◼   ► That's such bad timing, Myke.

01:13:29 ◼   ► It's literally when I get off the plane, the event will have just ended.

01:13:32 ◼   ► So what are you gonna...

01:13:36 ◼   ► What's the first thing you're gonna do?

01:13:38 ◼   ► I'm gonna kick it old school, man.

01:13:40 ◼   ► I'm gonna go to Six Colors, I'm gonna go to Mac Stories and see what was announced.

01:13:44 ◼   ► I imagine the days before video streams, that will be me.

01:13:50 ◼   ► I will be just getting off the plane, I'll be loading up my favorite blogs and looking

01:13:54 ◼   ► at what was announced.

01:13:56 ◼   ► That's so 90s.

01:13:58 ◼   ► I know, it's very old.

01:14:00 ◼   ► It makes me feel like I'm going back in time.

01:14:02 ◼   ► You should probably log on to the Usenet and ask people for news.

01:14:08 ◼   ► Get on the forums.

01:14:11 ◼   ► Set those forums on fire and read all this stuff.

01:14:13 ◼   ► create an account on the MacRumors forums and just post a new thread and be like...

01:14:19 ◼   ► What was announced today guys?

01:14:21 ◼   ► All in lower case and without a question mark.

01:14:25 ◼   ► Just got off plane, what was announced?

01:14:28 ◼   ► Wow.

01:14:29 ◼   ► Please do that.

01:14:31 ◼   ► Yeah.

01:14:32 ◼   ► We'll see.

01:14:34 ◼   ► So you guys are gonna still be here right?

01:14:36 ◼   ► You're gonna be here next Tuesday talking more about this kind of stuff and then I think

01:14:40 ◼   ► Stephen you're filling in for me on upgrade talking with Jason straight after the event?

01:14:44 ◼   ► Yep that's the plan.

01:14:46 ◼   ► Cool so if you want your coverage you know where to go you got to keep it on Relay FM.

01:14:50 ◼   ► If you want to find the show notes for this week you want to head on over to relay.fm/connected/55

01:14:55 ◼   ► if you want to find Federico online you should go to maxlories.net that's where you're going

01:15:01 ◼   ► to find all the stuff that you want and you can also find Federico he is @viti c c i t

01:15:07 ◼   ► You can find Steve on the line at 512pixels.net and he is @ismh on Twitter.

01:15:12 ◼   ► I am @imike, I M Y K E. Thanks again to our sponsors this week, igloo and lynda.com.

01:15:17 ◼   ► Go support them because they support us.

01:15:20 ◼   ► But most of all, as always, thank you so much for listening and I'll be back in a couple

01:15:26 ◼   ► of weeks time I think.

01:15:29 ◼   ► Oh I am going to be on next week's episode.

01:15:30 ◼   ► What was that?

01:15:31 ◼   ► I'm not on a plane.

01:15:34 ◼   ► I am on next week's episode, it's the one after that I'm not on.

01:15:37 ◼   ► We should say goodbye so we can end it.

01:15:39 ◼   ► I just want everybody to know, in case they're worried, I will be here next week, I won't be here the week after.

01:15:46 ◼   ► So until then, say goodbye everyone.

01:15:48 ◼   ► Adios.